JKgSg ." ' WE* i . ; tr v :^ t '--',: i s DIFFERENT CONCEPTIONS OF PRIESTHOOD AND SACRIFICE A Report of a Conference held at Oxford December ij and 14, 1899 EDITED BY W. SANDAY LONGMANS, GREEN, AND CO. 39 PATERNOSTER ROW, LONDON NEW YORK AND BOMBAY fc 1900 Ojcforfc HORACE HART, PRINTER TO THE UNIVERSITY CONTENTS PACE PREFACE ..,_.,.. v I. PRELIMINARIES .... . i II. STATEMENTS AND DEFINITIONS . 5 III. THE CONFERENCE ... .62 FIRST DISCUSSION . * . 64 SECOND DISCUSSION . .100 THIRD DISCUSSION . 134 PREFACE THE publication of this Report is felt to be an experi- ment. It was decided upon at an informal meeting after the conclusion of the Conference, not quite unanimously, but by a considerable preponderance of opinion ; and the writer of this was entrusted with the duties of editor. The publication was indeed open to drawbacks which, in some respects, have proved rather greater than had been anticipated. The shorthand report, on which the reproduc- tion of the discussions depended, was not a complete success. It was a somewhat condensed version of speeches which, by the necessities of the case, were themselves condensed within the narrowest limits possible ; so that the inevitable appear- ance of scrappiness in consequence has been increased beyond what it perhaps might have been. I must, however, as editor, warmly acknowledge the help that has been given me by the several contributors, and by some in especial degree, in restoring the report of what they had said to a sufficiently full and readable form. The discussions were conspicuously marked, not only by the frankness which Archdeacon Wilson invited (p. 51) and of which he himself set an excellent example, but also by an effort after brevity and precision. And compressed as the result still is, I cannot but think that it will be found to map out the main lines of the important subject discussed, at once with a clearness and boldness of relief and if I may say so an accuracy of shading with which I doubt if it has ever been presented before. viii PREFACE The Conference arose out of the idea that the bitterest part of modern ecclesiastical controversy turned upon the associations of what is called ' Sacerdotalism ' ; and the further idea that much of this bitterness might be preventible by mutual explanations. It was felt that, outside the irre- ducible minimum of real difference, there was a great amount of misunderstanding as to what was really held and really objected to on either side. For any effectual clearing away of these misunderstandings it seemed necessary that the Conference should in some degree represent not the Established Church alone, but the whole of English Christianity: only in this way was it possible to get at the root of current differences, and really to affiict opinion at its source. With this object in view it was decided to aim at bringing together three groups : a group of High Churchmen, a group of Nonconformists, and an intermediate group of Churchmen, who would not be called ' High.' In filling up a vacant place at the last moment this condition was not strictly observed ; but, roughly speaking, the Conference fell into three equal groups of five. To those who are familiar with the active life and with the formative elements of English religion the personnel of the Conference will explain itself. For those who are not so familiar it may be right to mention that three members of the first group (Dr. Moberly, Canon Gore, and Canon Scott Holland) had been previously associated together as contributors to the well-known volume of essays entitled Lux Mundi. Of the Nonconformist members, Dr. Salmond was representative of Scottish Presbyterianism ; Dr. Davi- son was representative of the Wesleyans; Dr. Fairbairn, Mr. Arnold Thomas, and Dr. Forsyth were Congregationalists : but of these Dr. Fairbairn in particular was qualified by widely ramifying connexions to speak for other bodies besides his own. Great disappointment was felt at the absence from PREFACE ix the Conference of Dr. Moule. Mr. Headlam, who at short notice took the vacant place, did so rather as a friend of the convener than as representing a particular type of opinion. It may be allowed to one who himself took a very small and neutral part in the actual discussions of the Conference to say a word as to the impression made upon him, and he believes also upon others, as to the course taken by the Conference. The most striking feature in it seemed to be, on the one hand, the propounding of a definite, coherent, and comprehensive view, embracing the whole subject of the Conference, by the three contributors to Lux Mundi, and on the other hand, the criticism of this by others (notably by Canon Bernard, Disc. iii. 13, p. 149), but mainly by the Nonconformist members. Yet along with the criticism and antithesis there seemed to emerge in the course of the discussions not a few points of contact and conciliation. Although, generally speaking, the agreement in the Lux Mundi section was most marked, and covered the whole of the main subject, a certain divergence appeared upon a side issue the mode of defining or describing the ultimate significance of the Atonement (Disc. ii. 38, 39, p. 131). And in like manner, but more noticeably, the Nonconformist criticism presented an interesting variety of shades and stand- points. It was, I believe, felt on all sides that the Conference culminated, as it might have been expected to culminate, in the Third Discussion. It was evident that there was here a real feeling about for points of approximation, as well as a real effort frankly to define points of difference that was hardly less helpful The weighty speech of Dr. Salmond at the end of this discussion (iii. 58, p. 172 f.) took hold of three points in particular on which there seemed to be an encouraging amount of agreement. i. The Nonconformist members were evidently struck x PREFACE by the unqualified recognition on the other side of the absolute completeness and uniqueness of Christ's work and our entire dependence on it It appeared that they had come with some misgivings on this head, but that in the course of debate these misgivings had been removed. The language used was indeed both explicit and repeated (GORE, ii. 8, p. 113; L 62, p. 98; MOBERLY, i. 45, 65, pp. 96, 98; ii. 29, p. 129 ; SCOTT HOLLAND, Hi. 19, p. 153 ; HEADLAM, ii. 15, p. 122). The expressions used by Mr. Lang (ii. 14, p. 12 if.), taking up Father Puller, and by Mr. Headlam (ii. 17, p. 123) were entirely consistent with this. A step will be gained if it is distinctly understood that in speaking (e.g.) of the eucharist as a sacrifice, there is no intention on the part of High Churchmen to derogate in the slightest degree from the sole efficacy of the one Great Sacrifice. It is not regarded as having any virtue in itself independently of this. 2. Another point that struck Dr. Salmond was the general assertion of * the great truth of the priesthood of the Christian people.' Nothing could have been more spontaneous than the assurances that came from all sides of the Conference on this head. The cordial acknowledgement of Dr. Salmond was in response to a previous acknowledgement, not less cordial, by Canon Gore (iii. 12, p. 147). Here, again, it is to be hoped that the Conference may leave behind it something permanent Dr. Moberly's definition of the clerical order as 'ministerial organs of the Church's priesthood' was generally welcomed. And Canon Gore (iiL 12, p. 148) and Mr. Headlam (iii. 26, p. 161 f.) joined in an invitation to Nonconformists to meet them on what might be common ground. It was clear that if there were some High Church- men who were in danger of losing sight of this important truth, the more thoughtful members of their own party were ready to do all in their power to correct them. 3. The third point noted by Dr. Salmond was the degree PREFACE xi of agreement as to 'the real essence of the unity of the Church ' the identification of this essence with the presence and work of the Holy Spirit. The question how far the maxim holds, Ubi Spiritus ibi ecclesia, is no doubt crucial, and in regard to this it was not to be expected that all would think alike. Still it is well that attention should be called to the carefully weighed words of Dr. Moberly (iii. 43, p. 168). While declining, in answer to Dr. Fairbairn, to accept the simple converse of the proposition that the Spirit of Christ makes the Church to be what it is, he guarded himself as follows : 'I do not think it would be right to say simpliciter, or in the way of definition, upon earth, that where the Spirit of Christ is, there is the Church. In other words, I believe that, while the whole meaning of the Church is Spirit, there is, none the less, such a thing as a true and proper outward organization of the Church ; and that in the orderly con- tinuity of that organization is the due historical expression of the Spirit on earth. In respect of the status of those who are separated from it, and otherwise organized, I do not pronounce anything. I do not define that their position is exactly this, or is exactly that. But so far as they are sundered from the true historical order, I should certainly not be willing to make the assertion that they were, or were a portion of, the Church. At the same time, I freely recognize the working of the Spirit amongst them ; I do not dream of denying spiritual reality in their ministries, and have, indeed, no basis for delimiting the methods or possibilities of the working of the Spirit amongst those whom I must still consider to be, in respect of their refusal of the true organization of the body, irregular.' It is difficult to see how one who believed that there was 'such a thing as a true and proper outward organization of the Church' could help going as far as this; but it is important to note the scrupulous care with which he restrains himself from going the least step further than the premises absolutely demand. If all controversialists were as careful much natural soreness would be avoided. xii PREFACE So far I have followed Dr. Salmond, and he has undoubtedly singled out points of real and great moment. There are perhaps two additions that may be made to his list, one on a comparatively minor point, the other on a point of first-rate importance, but both illustrating the attitude which the members of the Conference assumed towards matters of controversy, an attitude which it is to be hoped may be found capable of imitation. 4. Among the points which the Conference did not reach in any detail was the question of transmission in relation to orders. It might have been expected that there would be differences of opinion in regard to this; but the noticeable thing is the stress laid on Continuity, as the essential idea lying behind transmission, by those who could not accept a stricter theory (see for this the conversation between Dr. Fairbairn, Dr. Salmond, and Mr. Headlam, with the speech of Dr. Forsyth which followed, on p. 162 ; compare Dr. Fairbairn, iii. 32, p. 164, and Archdeacon Wilson, P- 57 f-)- 5. But I am not sure that the most impressive feature in the Conference as a whole was not the persistent effort on all sides to give to the doctrines or practices contended for a moral meaning; and not only a moral meaning, but the very highest and most truly Christian meaning attainable. The significance of this becomes the more apparent, when we consider how much of the keenness of controversy has at all times turned on the more or less latent suspicion that opponents were aiming at objects that were really immoral. We draw consequences for them that they would not draw for themselves ; we press these consequences to the furthest logical extreme of which they are capable ; and then our indignation is roused by a picture that is more than half our own creation. The process is often quite honest, but none the less disastrous for the peace of the world. PREFACE xiii Against any such tendency it seems to me that the pro- ceedings of this Conference are a standing protest. It is not as though the effort of which I have spoken character- ized one party more than another, or as though it were the result of any conscious posing. It was certainly not this ; it was more often felt than expressed. But no one, I think, could be present at the Conference without being aware that it was the deep underlying motive of every one who was there. It will of course be understood that this identity of aim may admit of very different practical conclusions. There was a cleft running through the Conference as to the relation of the inward to the outward, and of the moral to the ceremonial. The division of opinion was happily described by Canon Scott Holland : c It has been implied that the moralizing of sacrifice lies in dropping the "outward" expression and in accentuating solely the " inward " act of will : so that Christ's perfect sacrifice is wholly inward, "of the heart." But is it not essential to sacrifice that it should be the outward act by which the inward intention is realized, is pledged, is sealed ? The inward self-dedication only becomes sacrificial when it has discovered the appropriate offering by which it can verify itself. Only through attaining this expression, in outward realization, does the language of sacrifice apply to it. It has somewhat to offer, by which it can pledge its loyalty of self-surrender : there is its relief, its reality. The pro- cess by which the sacrifice is moralized is, not by dropping the external offering, but by raising the moral quality of that which it expresses. This can, for ever, be rising higher and higher ; but always, as it rises, it will need to make its external offering; and Christ completes all sacrifice because He gives perfect outward expression to the inner motive ' (i. 17, p. 85). This is a plea for the acceptance of one side of the alternative. It may be observed that the arguments on this side, as in the extract, are in the main philosophical, or a priori, turning upon the relation of inward to outward xiv PREFACE in the nature of things ; or else historical, going to show that a particular form of outward expression is historically legitimated. On the other hand, the counter-arguments are in the main Biblical inferences from the language, or more often from the silences, of Scripture. It ought not to be impossible to reach an understanding on this head, at least to the extent of recognizing what follows as legiti- mate inference from the fundamental principles of the opposing parties. There were not wanting signs in the Conference of that sympathetic appreciation of divergent views which is the first condition of peace and amity. It would not be right to speak only of the agreement brought out by the Conference. I have said that in some ways the strongest impression left by it was that of the statement by the High Church members, and especially by those who were jointly concerned in the Ltix Mundi volume, of a comprehensive theory of Sacrifice and Priest- hood, with the criticism of this theory, especially by the Nonconformists. And I take it to be a most hopeful sign that this criticism should have been so uniformly and so genuinely respectful; not merely with the formal courtesy of chivalrous opponents, but with the real affinity of earnest Christian minds for minds earnest and Christian like their own. The touchstone of opinion on this main point may be said to be Question 5 of the paper originally circulated. If the answers to this question on p. 31 f. are compared with each other those of Dr. Moberly and Canon Gore, on the one hand, with those of Canon Bernard, Dr. Fairbairn, and Dr. Salmond on the other the divergence will appear at its widest. What seems to absorb into itself the very essence of Christianity on the one side becomes little more than a figure of speech upon the other. The difference goes down into more fundamental regions PREFACE XV still. It will be found, I think, most instructive to read and read again and more often still, for the thought is highly condensed in both cases the speech of Canon Bernard, iii. 13, p. 149, and then the latter half of Dr. Moberly's, iii. 7, the last paragraph on p. 142 and p. 143. There is involved nothing less than one of the most searching questions of modern philosophy the question as to what constitutes the individual, what constitutes personality. Outside our Conference this is a question that is attracting deep attention at the present time. I may refer in particular to Mr. Inge's Bampton Lectures, pp. 28-35, and to an article of his in the American Journal of Theology for April, 1900, P- 33 6 f - A similar conception to Dr. Moberly's underlies the speeches of Canon Gore, iii. 12, pp. 147-149, and Canon Scott Holland, iii. 19 (especially what is said on p. 153). And yet when these three speeches are studied with the care which I have invited, the antithesis will be seen to be somewhat mitigated. Dr. Moberly in part anticipates what is urged by Canon Bernard. It further appears that both Canon Scott Holland and Canon Gore allow for something of what is asserted by Canon Bernard, and for the particular point pressed by Mr. Arnold Thomas (p. 157, ' The Apostle's Christian life had a beginning, it would seem, that was not related to the Church, but directly to Christ') and by Dr. Salmond (p. 166, ' I wish to say that I take absolutely the opposite view, and hold that we must begin with the indi- vidual believer '). I do not gather that Canon Scott Holland would deny this in the sense in which it is intended, when he says (p. 154) 'the soul's capacity for priesthood begins at the point where, being already saved, it can lend itself out to the redemptive purposes of the body. It is when it has become capable of service, that it can claim to be priestly.' And Canon Gore speaks to like effect (iii. 37, p. 167) : { I quite admit that those who become Christians xvi PREFACE in the belief of the heart are at first outside the body. And the faith that leads them into the body comes to them through the Spirit of Christ. No doubt it was the awakening of the consciousness of the individual that led him into the body, and that awakening was outside the body. But its end was to lead him into the body.' This seems to meet Canon Bernard at least halfway, while not surrendering anything of the main position. From the other side it must needs be noticed that Dr. Salmond, in an important passage (iii. n, p. 146 f.), treats of the 'oneness' between Christ and His disciples as if it were real and something more than metaphor, though metaphors are used to describe it (compare however p. 32). It it much to be regretted that limits of time prevented Dr. Salmond from developing his views on this subject more fully. What he was able to say contains hints of difference, but also, I cannot but think, elements of approxi- mation to the views which he is criticizing. Similar elements appear in the utterances of others whose general attitude is critical. Thus Dr. Fairbairn, while challenging on exegetical grounds the priestly attributes of 'the body,' nowhere, I think, challenges the idea of the mystical body itself. He rather seems to assume that con- ception as found in St. Paul, and to take the measure of it from him. Again, Dr. Davison expressly states his agree- ment with what had been said before him in regard to the mystic union, though holding that this union does not join Christ and His followers together in respect to priesthood and sacrifice. He also says (iii. 18, p. 151): 'I know that there is a line of continuity between Christ's work and that of His Church, and I value it highly. But is it not clear that the attempt to preserve it down the line of priesthood and sacrifice has brought in disputable and even mischievous elements ? ' Dr. Moberly and Canon Gore would allow that it had been attended by such elements, though they PREFACE xvii would not consider it responsible for them. Archdeacon Wilson also is unstinted in his recognition of the ' mystical body,' which he explains as meaning 'all humanity in so far as it is animated by the Spirit of Christ' (p. 56). Still closer approximation will be found in the speeches of Mr. Arnold Thomas and Dr. Forsyth. The latter speaker especially, while clearly marking off his own position, repeatedly uses language that presents a striking resem- blance to Dr. Moberly's compare for instance the two sets of answers to Questions 5, 6, 7 (pp. 31-36), and the coin- cidences in the speech (iii. 31, p. 163 f.). Nor should it be forgotten that the remarkable language quoted from Dr. Milligan on pp. 26, 27, was that of a Scottish Presby- terian. I am quite aware that Dr. Milligan was a steadfast defender of his own Presbyterian orders; but that is a question to itself, and affects the minor premiss rather than the major. It would not be too much to say that he had anticipated the underlying principles of the teaching of Dr. Moberly, Canon Gore, and Canon Scott Holland ; just as he himself would seem to have been in much anticipated by the Bampton Lectures for 1868 of Dr. Moberly's father, the Bishop of Salisbury. These are pleasing signs that our divisions of opinion are not simply denominational. As I look back over our Conference the sense of its importance grows upon me. Two great opposing tendencies in the religious life of our time were brought definitely to confront each other, and were compared together not on the superficial plane on which they meet and clash in popular antagonism, but in the higher region of first principles, of theoretical develop- ment and justification. How great is the contrast which both sides present as viewed in these different lights! Take, for instance, the common distorted picture of Sacer- dotalism, and, in particular, of those features in it which have b xvili PREFACE aroused the most passionate opposition, and set them side by side with the presentation of the same subject at this Conference. What traces are there here of the disloyalty to Christ, the rank idolatry and arrogant assumption that the popular imagination has painted? Nay more, would it be possible for any such tendencies to live in the spiritual atmosphere which those who have really thought out their beliefs on these matters are creating ? Does not this go far to support the advice of Canon Gore and Mr. Headlam already referred to? The true policy for those who wish to see their country delivered from the dangers of a false and corrupt Sacerdotalism is, as far as they honestly can, to strengthen the hands of those whose teaching is free from these vices. The whole public situation would be different if the leaders of thought on all sides, instead of actively or tacitly encouraging half-instructed and often worse than half-instructed attacks and denunciations, would themselves preach and enforce positively the best that they can make their own in respect to these ideas of Priesthood and Sacrifice. And on the other hand, if I may permit myself a word of address to those of my friends to whom our Conference owed so much, and to whose exposition of their views I myself listened with deep attention; if I might venture to say a word to them it would be this. Our Conference was, I conceive, no untrue reflexion of the better mind of the nation towards them. They may see in it the many points of contact and sympathy which that better mind, even when furthest removed from themselves, still has with their teaching. They are conscious of possessing a body of beliefs which they hold with strong conviction, and which for them is fraught with rich moral and spiritual inspiration. It would not be strange if, arguing from their own experience, they should think that only some wilful obstinacy prevented those who cannot see eye to eye with them from doing so ; PREFACE xix or at least, if they should regard them as deliberately choosing the lower part, deliberately taking the path that is cold and grey and bare, when they might be walking in a land flowing with milk and honey. If they should be tempted to think thus, I would ask them to remember that for some minds the tests of truth are strict and stern, and do not allow that to be at once accepted which is most attractive and most comforting. A large part of the English people has been bred upon the Bible, and refers all its religious beliefs ultimately to that. For them it is not enough that a particular set of opinions should be deduced by way of inference and construction from the Bible, if they are not clearly and explicitly contained in it ; still less if the acceptance of such opinions seems to disturb the balance and proportion of those that are contained in it clearly and explicitly. And for others whose standards of truth may be somewhat less restricted, there may never- theless be a necessity, which is as severe in its operation, to harmonize the whole body of that which they accept as true, from whatever source derived, and so make it their own as to confess it with a sincerity that has no reserves. Such minds may be haunted by the fear that they may be taking a beautiful mirage for reality, a sunlit vision which would be everything if it had the substance of truth. If my friends of the Right would bear in mind as I know that they do bear the existence of these two classes, I think that they would be very patient in their judgements, even when they found themselves the object of some opposition. Wisdom is justified of all her children, although they may be trained in different schools, and although some may wear the garb of an intellectual and even of a spiritual asceticism. W. SANDAY. CHRIST CHURCH, July, 1900. PRELIMINARIES PRELIMINARY negotiations with a view to the proposed Conference went on through the Long Vacation of 1899. A short sketch of these will be found in the Report of the Conference (p. 64 ff. below). The changes that took place in the list of members of the Conference are there explained. When the preliminaries had been sufficiently settled, the following letter, with the appended paper of Questions, was sent out on November 6. CHRIST CHURCH, OXFORD, November ft, 1899. DEAR SIR, / have the pleasure to inform you that the Conference in which you have expressed your willingness to take part is now constituted as follows : FATHER PULLER (Society of St. John ARCHDEACON WILSON (Rochdale). the Evangelist, CowleySt.John*}. DR. RYLE (Cambridge). DR. MOBERLY (Oxford}. DR. MOULE (Cambridge). CANON GORE ( Westminster). CANON E. R. BERNARD (Salisbury}. CANON SCOTT-HOLLAND (St.Pauts). DR. SANDAY (Oxford). REV. C. G. LANG (Portsea). DR. FAIRBAIRN (Oxford). 1 The addresses have been added. B 2 PRELIMINARIES DR. S ALMOND (Aberdeen). DR. BARRETT (Norwich). DR. DAVISON (Handsworth). DR. FORSYTE (Cambridge). It is proposed to meet on Wednesday and Thursday, December 13 and 14. There will probably be three sittings of two and a half hours each ; but more exact particulars will be sent round later. In the meantime it is thought that a step in advance would be made if the members of the Conference would be so good as to answer in writing such of the enclosed Questions as they may think well. It would not be expected that every question should be answered. The replies may be as concise as possible. At the present stage argument would not be necessary, but precise statements and definitions would be welcomed. References would be enough where Biblical authority is appealed to. It might also facilitate future discussion if references were given to works in which points which it was desired to bring forward are fully elaborated. Replies may be given by the members singly or in concert. They should be sent to me not later than Thursday, November 23. They shall then be tabulated and sent round with a Time-table of the Conference. Believe me, Yours very truly \ W. SANDAY. The Questions circulated with this Letter were these: i. Is it possible to define the idea of Sacrifice (a) in religion in general ; (b) in the O. T. (history, prophecy, and worship) ; (c) in the N. T. ? 2. Is there (a) a generic idea of Priesthood ; and if so, what are the elements and functions necessary to it ? (b) a specific Christian idea ; and if so, what are its specific characters? 3. What was the Teaching of our Lord Himself (a) as to the priestly idea ; (b) as to His own Priesthood and Sacrifice ; (c) as to any perpetuation and transmission of these in His Church? 4. What is the Apostolic teaching (a) as to the Sacrifice of Christ ; (b) as to His Priesthood ; (c) as to the Priesthood of His people ; (d) as to the relation of this Priesthood, if there be any, to His, and to His Sacrifice? 5. What relation has the idea of the Church as the Mystical Body of Christ to the ideas of His Priesthood and Sacrifice? 6. Does the idea of Priesthood applied to the Church reside in the whole body collectively, or in the whole body ideally, or in individual members of the body ? 7. Can there be any delegation of the functions of this Priesthood ? 8. If there is such delegation, how does it affect (a) those to whom the functions are delegated ; (b) those to whom they are not delegated ? Is the Priesthood of the Church affected by the delegation? 9. What is the fundamental signification of the Laying on of Hands ? Does it involve Transmission? And if so, what is transmitted ? B 2 4 PRELIMINARIES 10. What was the original authority of the Apostles? Has that authority in any way descended to those who came after them? 11. Supposing that there are some to whom the functions of Priesthood belong in a sense in which they do not belong to others, should not a distinction be drawn between the historical question as to the process by which this condition of things has arisen, and the theoretical question as to the place which it holds in the whole Christian economy? How are the historical and the theoretic questions related to each other ? 12. What parts of the historical problem at the present moment seem most to need further elucidation ? 13. Of what parts of the theoretical problem may the same be said ? 14. If there is a Ministerial Priesthood under the New Covenant, can it rightly be described as a Sacrificing Priesthood ? 15. How far is the Early Church to be determinative to-day of the questions discussed under above heads, and what are the limits which we ought to assign to the determinative period? II STATEMENTS AND DEFINITIONS THE Answers received to the above Questions were sent round a few days before the meeting of the Conference. In place of set Answers a Memorandum was circulated privately among the Members of the Conference by Archdeacon Wilson, which will be found on p. 51 ff. 1. IB it possible to define the idea of Sacrifice (a) in religion in general ; (b) in the O. T. (history, prophecy, and worship); (c) in the N. T. ? FATHER PULLER. (b} Under the dispensation of the Sinaitic covenant, a sacrifice appears to have been a gift offered to Almighty God, with the object of either appeasing His just indignation, or of expressing and presenting to Him homage or gratitude, or of impetrating from Him some favour. Looked at from another point of view, sacrifices were gifts offered to God with the object of bringing those, on behalf of whom they were offered, into fellowship with God, or of restoring that fellowship when it had been in any degree suspended, or of maintaining and strengthening, and symbolizing and exercising, such fellow- ship, when it remained intact. (c) Under the Gospel dispensation Christ's sacrificial work, both in the state of humiliation and in the state of glory, absolutely fulfils all that was sketched by the sacrifices under the law ; and His Church is permitted to join with Him in His heavenly offering, and in union with Him to present His heavenly Sacrifice and herself 6 STATEMENTS [l a, b, C as found in Him, for purposes of worship and thanksgiving, and for the impetration of pardon and grace and other gifts natural and supernatural. DR. MOBERLY. It is only possible to reach real definitions retrospectively: i.e. as the revelation of Christ lights up the earlier inadequate efforts and meanings. Sacrifice =(a) an offering to a god with dim germinal mode of access ; instincts as to communion atonement. (b} the same to God with definite, and differentiated, expression of the same three elements. * (c) the living consecration, in perfect love, of perfect holiness, to consummate human penitence. CANON GORE. (a) ' The presenting of anything before a god with a view to communion with him.' But (c) for us Christians the norm of sacrifice is in Christ. Therefore I define Sacrifice (at its highest) as ' The offering to the Father of the perfect manhood by the perfect man with a view to divine fellowship for man V [N.B. The N.T. conception of sacrifice involves the position that the acceptable sacrifice is of persons, and of things or rites only as adjuncts of persons.] CANON BERNARD. (a) Gifts to supernatural powers in order to express dependence and obtain favour. (b) In the O. T. (as well as in some other religions) the sense of sin increasingly realized, requires a special character in these gifts in some cases. 1 I omit any consideration of non-human sacrifice, e. g. of an eternal sacrifice in the Godhead. 1 a, b, c] AND DEFINITIONS 7 (c) The place given to the idea of sacrifice in some parts of the N.T. is in a measure due to ' accommodation,' on the part of the writers, to the religious training of Jew and Gentile which by Divine providence had preceded the Gospel. DR. SAND AY. There are three root-ideas in Sacrifice which appear to be constant throughout : (i) the idea of gift, tribute, propitiatory offering ; (ii) the idea of communion through the sacrificial meal ; and (iii) in either case, solemn presentation to God. (a) In their origin all these ideas go back to pre- historic times : (i) is a simple and natural anthropomor- phism ; (ii) belongs to the very primitive cycle of ideas relating to ' kinship,' which extends to the tribal deity as well as to fellow-tribesmen. But, as in so many other examples, what begins as something apparently crude and low-pitched is found to have an unexpected profundity and capacity for development, so that it rises in the end to a high degree of moral refinement and perfection. This is a testimony to the Divine unity which underlies and binds together the gradual unfolding of thought and life. On Pre-historic Sacrifice, see Jevons, Introduction to the History of Religion, and Robertson Smith, Religion of the Semites. It is argued that of the ideas mentioned above, (ii) is prior to (i), because the idea of kinship is earlier than that of property. (6) Thus in O. T. there is a gradual moralizing of the whole conception of sacrifice. The best gift man can offer is the moral discipline of self (Isa. i. 11-17; Mic. vi. 6-8; Ps. Ii. 17, &c.). The elaborate ceremonial of the Day of Atonement is probably late, but corresponds to a deepened con- sciousness of sin, and is prophetic of the need of a supreme Sacrifice. 8 STATEMENTS [l a, b, c There is no necessary antithesis between the ceremonial and the moral. Ideally speaking, the ceremonial and the moral shonld be different but harmonious expressions of the same fundamental spirit. The prophets aimed at reforming this spirit, not at abolishing sacrifice altogether. To abolish sacrifice before the coming of Christ would have been to interrupt its standing witness to Him. (c) In N.T. the exalted form which sacrifice takes should not obscure its ultimate continuity with the low beginnings. There, too, we have sacrifice as gift or tribute, sacrifice as propitiation, sacrifice as the sacra- mental meal. (See under 3 and 4.) DR. FAIRBAIRN. (a) The idea of Sacrifice depends through- out on the idea of religion. If religion be taken in the concrete sense of the historical religions, it is hardly possible to reach a generic idea of Sacrifice ; for, in certain of the greatest, Sacrifice is an unknown idea, and in no two of those which possess it is the idea pre- cisely the same ; while in each it differs in the different stages of culture which the religion passes through. If religion be taken in an abstract sense, the idea must agree with ideas more ultimate and determinative than itself, especially with the conception of God on the one hand and of man on the other. In other words, we must ascertain (a) the terms on which the religion conceives that God is willing to enter into communion with man, and to save him ; (/3) how far man's actual condition renders him capable or incapable of fulfilling these terms ; and (y) if he be unable, by what means or agency he may be enabled to do so. A definition of the idea of Sacrifice is therefore impossible without prior definition of the ideas on which it rests, of the end it proposes to attain, and of its fitness as means to this end. We had better then post- pone any attempt to define this idea to a later point in the inquiry. (b) Under this head we need not class those sacrifices 1 b] AND DEFINITIONS 9 that had a more or less bodily form ; such as deprivation of personal adornment, abstention from pleasures, or the practice of asceticism ; though these were not unknown in the O. T., and were judged by certain persons or parties as of singular religious merit. But to limit ourselves to what seem references to the sacrificial idea, taken in the stricter sense, it may be said that in its older forms Sacrifice appears to have been quite independent of a priest or a priesthood, or of any place consecrated by him or sacred to it (Gen. iv. 3-5, viii. 20-21, xxxi. 54, xlvi. i ; Judges vi. 19-32, xiii. 19-21 ; Job i. 5). But the idea undergoes, in the O. T., several re- markable transformations, (a) In the historical books, Sacrifice appears as an offering, agreeable to God, but costly to man, of a victim now human (Gen. xxii. 1-19; Judges xi. 34-40), now animal (Judges vi. 26; Exod. x. 25 ; Joshua xxii. 26-29), now of fruits and now of wine (Gen. xiv. 18); and meant either to secure the favour of Deity, or to express the gratitude of man, to seal a covenant (Gen. xv. 9) or to expiate a real or possible sin (i Sam. iii. 14). (/3) In the Levitical worship the idea and practice of Sacrifice have been worked into a ritual system which expresses now the thankful and now the guilty consciousness of the collective people, or some of its constituent parts, and which seeks to secure the divine favour and forgiveness. Here Sacrifice has practically ceased to be occasional and spontaneous, and has become stated and regulated, incorporated in a worship which tends to be co-extensive, and indeed identical with the religion. It deserves to be noted that the decalogue has nothing in it concerning Sacrifice or any worship in which it plays a part. And while it was incorporated in the Levitical system, it is doubtful whether that system was ever more than an ideal, or, so far as it did attain realization, whether it was ever accepted by many of the STATEMENTS ' [l b, c . most religious men in Israel as either integral to their religion or necessary to its existence. And so (y) we find that, in the main current of "prophetic literature, the ceremonial or ritual practice is either thrown into the background or made second - Mary to obedience and a pure heart (Isa. i. 11-14; Mic. vi. 6-8 ; Amos v. 2 1-22 ; Hos. vi. 6 ; Jer. vi. 20 ; vii. 21-23 5 P f ov. xxi. 3, 27 ; Ps. li. 16-17, xxiv. 4) : while the sacrifices enjoined become personal and ethical, j the act of reconciliation being initiated by the mercy of God and conditioned on the repentance and obedience of man. And as the highest and most perfect example *; .* of Sacrifice and Mediation of this new and higher type, we have the Suffering Servant of God in Isaiah, who though a sacrifice and an offering for sin, is quite without //,' v f anv sacerdotal attributes or denomination. He neither bears the priestly name nor fills any priestly office, ** -but is rather a sacrifice which no priest offers ; and he accomplishes a mediation higher and more inward than any outward sacrifice had either achieved or symbolized. (c) In the N. T. we must distinguish historical from doctrinal and ethical interpretations of Sacrifice. Historical references to the O. T. idea or custom occur as in Luke ii. 23-24, xiii. i ; Acts vii. 41-42 ; but their impo- tence is specially emphasized (Heb. ix. 9-10, x. 1-4), and their insufficiency as a means of placating God (Matt. ix. 13, xii. 7 ; Mark xii. 33 ; Heb. x. 8). We have, therefore, to note the following positive facts : Sacrifices as understood in the Hebrew ritual completely disappear from the worship of the Christian people, nor is any provision made for any persons qualified to do any corresponding sacrificial acts : neither is there any com- mand expressed as to the need for their observance, nor is anything said as to times or places or occasions where they may be, or where they ought to be, offered. On la, b, c] AND DEFINITIONS II the contrary, the only sacrifices which the N. T. speaks of as agreeable to God, and as accepted of Him, are ethical, i.e. the spiritual counterparts or antitypes of those whose inefficiency has been emphasized (Rom. xii. i ; Phil. ii. 17, iv. 1 8 ; Heb. xiii. 15-16 ; i Pet. ii. 5). This, of course, is exclusive of the teaching as to the Sacrifice of Christ, which stands by itself, and at once fulfils and ends all the ceremonial sacrifices of Sacred History. But of this something must be said later. DR. SALMOND. (a) This question suggests much that we have not yet the materials to determine. It is doubtful whether we can go beyond the general idea of an offering to God, an idea taking different forms in different races, and at different times. (b] The ideas of gift, expiation, and communion or life- fellowship appear in the O.T., but in different degrees of prominence in different parts. (c) The same ideas appear in the N.T., the primary idea, however, being that of Christ's sacrifice as an offering of positive efficacy in relation to sin. DR. DAVISON. (a) Sacrifice in religion in general is an offering to God in worship of that which implies self- denial in the offerer. (b) The sacrificial ideas embodied in O. T. ceremonial expiatory, dedicatory, eucharistic, &c. do not admit of generalization and succinct definition. (c) In N.T. the word covers fundamentally different ideas, according to whether it be applied to Christ or the Christian. In the former case it is propitiatory, in the latter self-dedicatory; a confusion between these senses is fatal. DR. FORSYTH. (b) Sacrifice in O.T. was first something shared by man with God as a meal, next something surrendered 12 STATEMENTS [l, b, c by man to God, and lastly this gift as symbolic of the surrender of the self in righteousness. It was in nature collective more than individual, and replaced the individual in the community of grace, when by his sin he had fallen from it. For high-handed and defiant sin, sacrifice did not avail, and there remained only judgement. O.T. sacrifice lay not in the alienation of a thing but in the submission of self. It did not procure grace, but fulfilled the provision of grace. (c] These features pass into the N.T., and Christ's sacrifice is essentially one of will in obedience. It is corporate in nature. It combined both the judgement on sin and the offering for it. So He dealt finally with all sin and absorbed all sacrifice. The following note has been communicated by DR. DRIVER. Words for Sacrifice. The usual Heb. word for 'to sacrifice' is zabah, 'to slaughter' (see, of profane slaughtering, Deut. xii. 15, 21), hence zebah, ' a slaughtering,' or, by usage, ' a sacred slaughtering,' or ' sacrifice ' (often specially of the ' peace- ' or ' thank-offering '), mizbeah, ' a place of slaughtering,' ' an altar ' (the usual word). 'dsdA, ' to do," an idiomatic usage, akin probably to that of the same word in the sense of ' dressing ' food (see Gen. xviii. 7,851 Kings xviii. 23, 25, 26), is also used. Burnt-offering, 'oldh, ' that which goes up ' (most prob. on the altar, opp. to sacrifices such as the ' peace '-offering, of which large portions were consumed by offerer or priest : according to others, up to heaven, in ' sweet smoke '), Lev. i. Peace-, or thank-offering (shelem, shelamim : the explanation is uncertain, and there are good authorities for both peace and thank [the vb. means ' to be whole,' hence a state of wholeness, peace (between those sharing in the accompanying meal) : trans, in the conjug. ' to make whole,' hence to requite or pay wholly (as in the phrase, to ' pay vows '), render one's due, and so a ' thank-offering ' : it is not certain which sense should be adopted]), Lev. iii. The characteristic of this was the common meal accompanying it; cf. Lev. vii. 15, 16, xxii. 30. Sin-offering (Ao#afA),Lev. iv. I v. 13 (the word is derived from hate?, ' to sin ' the regular word). Guilt- offering (as&am), enjoined chiefly for cases of fraud, and accom- panied by repayment of amount embezzled + , Lev. v. 14 vi. 7. (The word means guilt, as Gen. xxvi. 10; the cogn. verb 'to be guilty,' or ' be found guilty,' bear the consequences of guilt, Hos. x. 2, &c.) AND DEFINITIONS 13 MeaUoffering (or better, cereal offering), minhah (Lev. ii). This means properly a present, esp. one made to secure or retain good- will (there are other words to express the neutral idea of 'gift'), Gen. xxxii. 13, 18, 20, 21 (to Esau), xliii. n, 15, 25, 26 (to Joseph), Jnd. iii. 15, a Kings viii. 8, 9, xx. 12, Ps. xlv. 12, offered, as something expected, by a political subject, 2 Sam. viii. 2, 6, i Kings iv. 21, &c. : then it is used of a tribute offered to God, both generally (including animals), Gen. iv. 3, 4 (Abel's), 5, i Sam. xxvi. 19, as well as in the special sense of the cereal offering (so always in the Levitical system). This double application of the term minhah sometimes causes ambiguity. The broad distinctions between zebah and minhah are that the z. consisted of an animal, and the m. (in later times exclusively) was vegetable; and that the z. was accompanied by a meal implying communion with the deity (I do not know that this is anywhere stated, though it is, no doubt, probable), and that the m. was of the nature of a gift to secure the deity's goodwill. See esp. on this W. R. Smith, Rel. Sem., 199-207, 218-225 (ed. 2, 216-224, 236-243); and Wellhansen, Hist., 71, 72. The burnt-offering does not seem to have been often offered anciently alone, except on unusual occasions : it is frequently mentioned in combi- nation with the zebahim or sheldmim. Asham and hattdth are rare, zabah is used in a figurative or spiritual sense, Ps. 1. 14, 23, ' sacrifice thanksgiving.' Passages in which eating, or a meal, is associated with a zebah : Gen. xxxi. 54 (in concluding a covenant ; cf. v. 46), Ex. xviii. 12, xxxii. 6, xxxiv. 15 (Canaan.), Num. xxv. 2 (Moab.), Deut. xxvii-7 (peace-offerings), i Sam. ix. 13, Ps. cvi. 28 (idolatrous) : notice also Jud. xvi. 23-25 (ver. 25 implies a feast}; and cf. Deut. xii. 7, 18 ('to eat before J.'), xv. 19 (firstlings). To eat and drink, or to eat alone, to be understood prob. similarly : Exod. xxiv. 10, Jud.ix. 27, Amos ii. 8, Ps.xxii. 26, 29 : note also the articles of food in i Sam. i. 24, x. 3, carried by persons going up to a sanctuary. Also 'eating on the mountains' in Ezek. xviii. 6, n, 15, xxii. 9. The sacrifice accompanied by a meal ( =the later ' peace '-offering) must have been once the most ordinary kind of sacrifice ; and hence it came to be denoted, KO.T' ((oxhv, by zebah, a ' slaughtering.' There is much confusion in A.V. and R.V. in the use of the words offer, offering, oblation ; and they each stand, unfortunately, for several very different words in the Hebrew. The expression offering (sometimes sacrifice) made by fire (Deut. xviii. I ; and often in P) represents one word in the Heb. (as though a ' firing '). Zabah, zebah are commonly rendered sacrifice; but our idea of 'sacrifice* (as I should understand it) is wider than zabah. The (Levitical) minhah was, I suppose, what we should call a ' sacrifice,' though zabah, ' to slaughter,' could not be used of it. The more neutral word which Heb. would use in such cases is hiqrlb, ' to bring near, present' (R.V. ' offer,' ' present '), Lev. i. 2, 3, 10, &c. : also of other gifts than sacrifices, as 14 STATEMENTS [l, 2 a, b Num. vii. a, 3, 10, II. The cognate subst is the familiar corban, of sacrifices, Lev. i. a, 3, 10, 14, &c., and of other gifts, Num. vii. 3, 10, u, and often in this chap, (the word occurs only in P and Ezek. xx. 28, xl. 43, R.V. always oblation [which however stands also for other words], except Ezek. xx. 28 offering). The definition of sacrifice is difficult I doubt if the Hebrews had any term exactly co-extensive with our ' sacrifice.' Applying our idea of ' sacrifice ' to the regular and recognized sacrificial system of the Hebrews (whether in earlier or later ages), I should say it was something offered to the deity, of which the whole (substantially) or a part was consumed on the altar. The part consumed was the issheh, or ' firing.' On ancient Arab. Sacrifice, see Wellhausen, Reste Arab. Heid. t pp. 112-115, 167 (ed. a, pp. 114-120, 143). A slaughtered animal is here also the principal sacrifice ; but nothing is said of a fire, or burning, on the altar : the blood is simply poured over a sacred stone (cf. i Sam. xiv. 33-35). The flesh of the sacrifice was generally eaten at a common meal. 2. Is there (a) & generic idea of Priesthood ; and if so, what are the elements and functions necessary to it? (b} a specific Christian idea ; and if so, what are its specific characters ? FATHER PULLER. (a) Omitting the imperfect and partially distorted conceptions of the heathen, it seems to me that, according to the law of the old covenant, a priest was one who had been chosen and appointed by God to draw nigh to Him in some special way, that he might offer sacrifices to Him, and transact with Him on behalf of His people, and convey to the people certain gifts from God, such as cleansing and blessing. [N.B. I have mentioned what seem to me to be the most prominent functions of priesthood, but my definition does not pretend to be exhaustive.] (b) The idea of priesthood, outlined in the O. T., is perfectly fulfilled by our Lord in the life of glory ; but in every respect His Priesthood is, both in itself and in its effects, on an infinitely higher level than was the Priesthood under the Law. 2 a, b] AND DEFINITIONS 15 Christ exercises His Priesthood in heaven in His own Person. He exercises it on earth in and through His Church. To use Dr. Milligan's words : ' The Church of Christ is a sacerdotal or priestly institution. Sacer- dotalism, priestliness, is the prime element of her being ' (Expositor, 3rd series, ix. 200). In the Church there is a priesthood which belongs to the whole body, and there is a priesthood which belongs to each member in particular. Christ's Apostolic ministers in their various orders are, within the limits appointed for each order, the normal organs for exercising the priestly functions which belong to the body. DR. MOBERLY. (a) The 'generic' idea is merely the dim, unrealized feeling after what Christianity brings to light and consciousness. (b} In the Christian revelation Priest and Sacrifice are so identified that the definition of the one (just given) really covers the other. CANON GORE. (a] Heb. v. i will serve as a definition. (b) In Christ, priest and sacrifice coalesce. The perfect Man, consecrated by God, offers Himself, on behalf of His brethren, to the Father, in order to reconcile the world to the Father. CANON BERNARD. (a) To represent man to God. Elements necessary are a knowledge of the needs of man, and of the character of God. (b} In the wide sense given above we may say that there is a Christian Priesthood, which is exercised towards God on behalf of the congregation by persons ' lawfully chosen and called.' But the work of the Christian Ministry towards man as Rulers, Pastors, and Teachers is not a priestly work, and the endeavour to represent it as such only tends to the confusion of two distinct ideas. 16 STATEMENTS [2 a, b DR. SANDAY. (a) The leading idea of Priesthood appears to be consecration for liturgical service, especially sacrifice. This sense seems to be constant, though the nature of the service and the matter of the sacrifice vary with the phase of religion to which they belong. Dr. Milligan defines the functions of Priesthood as : (i) offering ; (ii) intercession, in a wide sense, by confession, prayer, or praise; (iii) blessing (Expositor, 1889, i. 19 f.). These functions are all liturgical. In O. T. and in many other religions the priest also communicates the will of God by oracular response, and is commissioned to teach. (b) Is it not well to distinguish between the acts or functions proper to Priesthood and its motive or animating spirit ? The acts or functions are the presenting to God oT worship or sacrifice. The animating spirit is that which the worship or sacrifice is intended to express. The Christian Priesthood thus corresponds to Christian worship and the Christian sacrifice, which should be modelled upon the Sacrifice of Christ DR. FAIRBAIRN. (a) It is as little possible to formulate *a generic idea of Priesthood ' as to define ' the idea of Sacrifice in religion in general.' There is no term more vaguely used, or more frequently used to denote, if not contra- dictory, yet different and even incompatible conceptions. If, however, we take the Levitical usage as determining our idea, we may define the priesthood as a community of men endowed with the threefold function of mediation, expiation, and absolution : or as an order of men qualified by descent, appointment, and consecration, (a) to stand between God and man ; (ft] to offer the worship at once becoming man and agreeable to God, especially in the high acts and articles of presenting to God the sacrifice which expiated sin, and (y) to bring to man the assurance that he was forgiven. The priest did not create the sacrifice. In 2 a] AND DEFINITIONS 17 Israel, as in other religions, it was older than he. But he gave it a more definite character and function; he introduced exactness and proportion into the relations of God and man ; he could assure man that what was done through him and according to his laws pleased God, and that the God he pleased was sure to forgive. The priest thus became necessary to the sacrifice as expiatory, for in his hands it became a means efficient for its end ; and as the person who secured its efficacy, he also was the person who garnered and attested its results. These, then, were the three functions of the priest in the Levitical System, mediation, expiation, and absolution. The first function was realized in the second, and perfected in the third. Without the sacrifice there could be no efficient media- tion, and without absolution there was no efficacy in the mediation and sacrifice. These, then, made a whole, and were the inseparable constituents of the priestly idea. Now it seems to me as if we must at the very outset define what we mean by the terms ' priest ' and ' priest- hood.' Do we conceive the Christian priest as fulfilling any or all of the above functions? Do we hold any or all of the Levitical elements as in any sense or degree necessary to the Christian priesthood ? By what process, involving what manner of change, have 'priest' and 'priest- hood ' been naturalized in the Christian Church ? In what respect does the priest differ from the minister or the preacher ? And by what special quality or act is his mediation distinguished from theirs? What place in particular have expiation and absolution in his office and mediation? And whence does he derive his authority to fulfil these functions ? Until we know with some degree of precision the positions to be maintained, we can neither know what evidence may be needed to prove or disprove them, nor the respects in which we agree and in which we differ. C i8 STATEMENTS [2 a, b (b) The need of definition becomes the more im- perative when we find there is nothing that can be called ' a specific Christian idea ' of the priesthood. There is indeed in the N.T. (Heb. v. 1-6) a definition of High-priesthood, with special reference to Christ's ; but none of priesthood as exercised by the Christian man or Church. The two necessary conditions for the office of High-priesthood are (i) taken from among men, (ii) called of God. Its special functions are (i) to act for man in things pertaining to God, and (ii) to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. But this High-priesthood as predicated of Christ stands in antithesis to the Levitical ; first, as belonging to an order which was before it and above it ; secondly, as being His own solely, participated in by no other ; and so, thirdly, through His eternal life, there is involved His eternal continuance as priest. And His one and eternal priesthood implies that His Sacrifice is also one and eternal. But if sacrifices have ceased, how can the priesthood continue ? Has not Christ by ending Sacrifice absorbed into Himself the functions of priesthood ? Certainly if any one affirms that the office of the priesthood still continues, the onus probandi must be wholly his. DR. SALMOND. (a) That of drawing near to God, and with the particular function of doing that for others. So especially in the O.T. (3) The Christian idea is the same, with the special note that Christ's Priesthood is the only one by which men have access to God. See also 3. DR. DAVISON. (a) Generically, Priesthood implies an order intermediary between God and men in religious worship. In O.T. sundry ideas attach to it, e.g. (i) Divine appoint- ment, (a) special consecration, (3) representative or 2 a, b] AND DEFINITIONS 19 vicarious character, (4) medium of approach or trans- mission of blessing, &c. (b) There is no ' specific Christian idea ' which can be understood to include Christ and His Church (ministers and people) in one common category. DR. FORSYTH. (a) (i) Representative ; (2,) Mediatorial ; (3) Sacrificial in its nature. (b) Yes ; in Christianity it is primarily personal, i.e. turns on a quality or attitude of heart and will. It is a matter of character not of institution, of person not of office. The power to make any sacrifice pleasing to God depends on the prior sacrifice to Him of heart and will in the sacrificing subject. Nothing but a personal priest- hood is connate or congenial with the Priesthood of Christ, whose essence was the sacrifice of the will in the obedience of faith. The following note has been communicated by DR. DRIVER. The Heb. word for priest is Kohen, in form a partic. of kdhan, though the verb is not in use. In Arab, the corresponding word Kdhin means a diviner (e.g. Qor. lii. 29), more exactly, one in whom later (apparently) a jinn, originally a deity, spoke, and who was his organ (Wellhausen, Reste, pp. 130, 133; ed. 2, pp. 129-136). The Kdhin was often consulted before an undertaking, to see whether he would advise or dissuade. The Arab. Kdhin was primarily the guardian of the house, if at least there was a house (or image, &c.) at the sacred place : where this was not the case, there was no Kdhin ; he was not needed to perform sacrifice at a sacred stone, and even the sacred lot could be cast without him, though it was usual for him to take charge of the lots, and to receive a fee for the use of them (Wellh., p. 128 f.; ed. 2, p. 133). The office was usually hereditary in particular families. The Heb. and Arab, words correspond exactly, so that they must have some common origin. Most prob. the Kdhin orig. gave the oracles and judicial decisions, in the name of a deity, at a sanctuary ; and a fundamental function of the Heb. Kohen was just the giving of torah, or ' direction,' in the name of J. : the Kdhin gradually sank his connexion with the sanctuary, and became a mere diviner; the Kohen grew in importance, and acquired sacrificial and other functions (cf. Wellh., pp. 132-4 ; ed. 2, PP- J 34> J 43)- [O n tne priestly function of giving tordh, see ray Joel and Amos, p. 230, with the passages quoted : and add Exod. xviii. 16, 20 c a 20 STATEMENTS [2, 3 C early passage which represents the decisions given by Moses on secular disputes as the statutes and 'directions' of God (torotK).'] Functions of priests in the O. T. : i. To give torah (Deut. xvii. 10, n, xxiv. 8, xxxiii. 10 ; obs. how even in a late passage, 2 Chron. xv. 3, a ' directing priest ' is a phrase which naturally occurs). ii. To bear the ark (Deut. x. 8 ; cf. xxxi. 9, I Ki. viii. 3, 4 [LXX], 6). iii. To stand before J., to minister unto him (Deut. x. 8, xvii. 12, xviii. 5, xxi. 5, i Chron. xxiii. 19), i.e. to serve God, in particular (cf. Ezek. xliv. 15) by offering sacrifice (Deut. xxxiii. 10, i Sam. ii. 28). iv. To bum incense (Deut xxxiii. 10, I Sam. ii. 28, i Chron. xxiii. 13). v. To bear the ephod {perhaps an image, before which lots were cast : see art. ' Ephod ' in Hastings' Bibl. Diet.), i Sam. ii. 28. vi. To bless in J.'s name (Deut. x. 8, xxi. 5, i Chron. xxiii. 13). There are, of course, many other passages which support or illustrate this enumeration of functions : but the passages quoted describe them rather pointedly. It seems clear that in early times the right of sacrificing, and even of blessing, was not confined to priests, but that the restriction 4 to them was of gradual growth. Functions connected with i. and v. seem to have been those inalienably connected with the priesthood. 3. What was the Teaching of our Lord Himself (a) as to the priestly idea; (b] as to His own Priesthood and Sacrifice ; (c) as to any perpetuation and transmission of these in His Church? FATHER PULLER. (c) Our Lord by instituting for His Church a religious rite, in which an important part was assigned to earthly sacrificial things, such as bread and wine, and a still more important part was assigned to heavenly sacrificial things, namely, His own Body and Blood, and by connecting these things with words implying sacrificial action, such as rd uirep v^5>v SiSo/xevoi; and TO virep v/i<3v cKxyvopfvov (Luke xxii. 19, 20), and with other words closely bound up with sacrificial ideas, such as SIO^TJKTJ and avafjivrja-is, made it clear that the rite which He was instituting was of a sacrificial character, or in other words was a sacrifice. Now our Lord perpetuates His Sacrifice in the heavenly tabernacle (cf. Heb. viii. 1-3, Rev. v. 6), 3 a, b, o] AND DEFINITIONS 21 ' appearing openly before the face of God on our behalf ' in His glorified Body as the Lamb without spot, and cleansing ' the heavenly things ' with the ' better sacrifices,' that is, with the incorruptible ' Blood of sprinkling ' (cf. Heb. ix. 23, xii. 24; i Pet. i. 18, 19). And the matter of the Church's sacrifice is also, as we have seen, primarily Christ's Body and Blood. It follows that the sacrifice which the Church offers is identical with the heavenly Sacrifice which Christ offers. In other words, Christ's sacrifice is perpetuated not only in heaven above, but also in His Church below. This perpetuation is involved in our Lord's words roCro jroteire eis r^v CHT\V avdpirrio-iv, taken with their context. DR. MOBERLY. (a) and (b} John x. n, xv. 13, xvii. 19, are brief verbal indications of what is really taught in every- thing that unfolds Incarnation or Atonement. (c) Matt. x. 16-25 > John xiii. 35, xv. 17, xx. 21, are similar indications of what is implied in the very idea of a Pentecostal Church, which is the incorporation, revela- tion, and perpetuity of the Spirit of the Christ in human life to the end of time, and for ever. CANON GORE. Our Lord offers Himself, the perfect on behalf of, or in the stead of, the sinful, but with a view to their perfecting in Him*. The sacrifice is, therefore, offered in order that it may be perpetuated in the Church, in virtue of His initial propitiation whereby we recovered our standing with the Father (John x. 36, xvii. 19 ; Matt. xxvi. 28). CANON BERNARD. (a) I do not know what passages are in view in this question. () Very little teaching by Himself as to this. It is to be noticed in what varied aspects He presents His death : 22 STATEMENTS [3 a, b, c (i) as a ransom ; (ii) as the death of a victim for ratifying a covenant ; (iii) as the death of a shepherd in defence of his sheep. (c) No teaching on this subject so far as I know. DR. SANDAY. All the teaching seems to be indirect : it appears not so much in what the Gospels state as in what they assume. (a) I do not find any clear indication. Many passages imply direct access (Matt. vi. 6; vii. 7 f., &c.) ; but an inference against Priesthood can hardly be drawn from this. The Psalms are full of such passages, though concurrently there was an elaborate system of regulated approach. N. B. Great caution should be used in drawing negative inferences from the Synoptic Gospels. The Fourth Gospel and the Epistles show- that there must have been much teaching which they have not preserved. (b) Our Lord undoubtedly regarded His own Death as sacrificial. The central passage is Mark xiv. 22-24 (Matt. xxvi. 26-28 [Luke xxii. 19 f.]). Compare Mark x. 45 (Matt. xx. 28); John i. 29, 36 ; vi. 51. If His Death is sacrificial, He is Himself the High Priest by whom it is offered (John xvii). The fuller teaching of the Epistles appears to have its root in sayings of Christ Himself. (c) If our Lord instituted a permanent rite which embodied the essential idea of the ' feast upon sacrifice ' (cf. I Cor. x. 21 Tpa.TT(a Kvpiov, xi. 20 KvpiaKov SeiTrvov, Heb. xiii. 10), it would seem to follow that those who administer such ' feasts ' might be rightly called ' priests.' And in view of the relation which these feasts bear to the Great Sacrifice, it would not seem to be an illegitimate use of language to describe them as 'sacrificial.' In O.T. the ' eating ' is part of an important group of sacrifices. 3 a, b, c] AND DEFINITIONS 23 There would be a deeper reason for the use of the name 'priests' if the view mentioned under 4 (d), 5, holds good. DR. FAIRBAIRN. (a) To what may be termed in strictness, whether in the historical or theological sense, 'the priestly idea,' our Lord makes no explicit or direct reference whatever. All attribution of sacerdotal ideas to Him is due either to a figurative interpretation of simple scripture language such as He uses in John xvii. 19 or to His attitude to offices and customs in the worship of His own day. (b) He represents Himself as the Temple (John ii. 19); as one who has established the new Covenant in His blood, which He has shed for the remission of sins (Matt. xxvi. 28) ; and as one who gives His life a ransom for many (Matt. xx. 28 ; Mark x. 45). And He exercises the high function of Mediation, though never under any of the conditions or forms proper to the priesthood as an office. His teaching therefore as to His own Priest- hood is a matter of inference rather than of exact and literal exegesis. (c) In the only allusions He makes either to His Church or Kingdom, He says nothing on these points. DR. SALMOND. (a) (b) It centres in His own Priesthood, and His teaching as to that centres in His own Sacrifice. That Sacrifice is more definitely expressed by Himself as a life given for others ', a ransom, and a covenant-offering, having in view the remission of sins. (c] His words indicate no transmission, nor any per- petuation in the Church, the ordinance of the Supper being a commemorative, covenant, and representative ordinance only. 24 STATEMENTS [3 a, b, c, 4 a, b DR. DAVISON. (a, b} Christ's teaching in one or two places e.g. Matt. xx. 28, and the institution of the eucharist warrants the drawing of some typical analogy between the O.T. sacrifices and His atoning death. But the references are general only, implying the redemption of the race, and a new covenant ' in His blood.' (c) Our Lord gives no warrant for the perpetuation or transmission of His priesthood and sacrifice in His Church. DR. FORSYTH. (b) Jesus spoke of Himself as King and offered Himself as sacrifice. He had little affinity for the institu- tional priesthood of His race. He was Priest as self- sacrificing King. He is not explicit about the relation of His sacrifice to O.T. types ; His few words bear more on the Covenant than the atoning Sacrifice. He realized it not as mere self-devotion but as an offering to God quite as much as for man. It was the total and active surrender of His will to the Father, and only so a perfect sacrifice for the sin of the world. The expiatory element is in it, but was not by Christ made explicit. (c) The only thing transmitted to His Church was the benefits of this Sacrifice, and especially fellowship with Him in it and through it. This was to be common, in differing degrees, to every believer as the priesthood of the Church. 4. What is the Apostolic teaching (a) as to the Sacrifice of Christ ; (b) as to His Priesthood ; (c} as to the Priesthood of His people ; (d) as to the relation of this Priesthood, if there be any, to His, and to His Sacrifice? DR. MOBERLY. (a) and ()=the perfect love of the self- oblation of the perfectly holy, in reality of Humanity 4a,b, c,d] AND DEFINITIONS 25 perfectly consummated in penitence (Heb. x ; Rom. vi. 1-10 ; i Cor. xv. 20-28, &c., &c.). (c) They are what He is (Eph. passim ; Rom. viii ; Gal. ii. 20, 2i ; i Pet. ii. 5-9 ; Rev. i. 6). (d) Because He alone is, and they are only in Him. E.g. i Cor. iii. 17, xii. 12, 27, xv. 28, and the > XpioraJ passim. CANON GORE. The Apostolic teaching is that Christ offered Himself for us in order to offer us in and with Himself. He is our Priest and Sacrifice in order that, in reliance on His merits alone, we may share His Priesthood, and ourselves render an acceptable sacrifice in Him. CANON BERNARD. (a) That that sacrifice was made once for all, and that it was followed not by continuous presentation of the sacrifice, but by session at the right hand of God (Heb. x. 12). There is, of course, much other teaching, but this is the point which appears relevant to the present discussion. (b) That it is a Priesthood of intercession: and also of mediation, in regard of our whole life towards God. (c) That all His people have in Him that right of imme- diate access to God which is characteristic of Priesthood. (d) A passage which might be held to bear on this is i Pet. ii. 5 Trvfvp.aTiKas Ova-ias. But I am unable to believe that it refers to any kind of ritual action. See Dr. Hort's note in loc. DR. SANDAY. (a) (i) The Sacrifice of Christ inaugurates a new covenant-relation (Heb. viii. 6-13, ix. 15-23, x. 29, xii. 24, xiii. 20 ; cf. i Cor. xi. 25). (ii) It is compared in its effects to the sacrifices of the Day of Atonement (Heb. ii. 17, vii. 27, ix. 7-9, 11-14, 24-28, x. 19-22, xiii. 10-13; Rom. iii. 25 ; i John ii. 2, iv. 10). 26 STATEMENTS [4 a, c (iii) Also to other forms of sacrifice (i Cor. v. 8; Rom. viii. 3; Heb. viii. 3, x. 4-18; I Pet. iii. 18; Rev. i. 5, v. 6, &c.). No sharp division can be drawn between the Sacrifices of the Day of Atonement and other sacrifices into which there enters any element of propitiation. I have referred to the Day of Atonement proper such terms as iXaa-riipiav, fAacr/xos. (iv) The Sacrifice of Christ is offered once for all (Rom. vi. 10 ; Heb. vii. 27, ix. 12, 26-28, x. 10, 12, 14; i Pet. iii. 1 8). (v) Its effect and the intercession of Christ following upon it are eternal (Heb. vii. 15, 25, ix. 12, 14, x. 12- 14, 1 8 ; Rom. viii. 34). (vi) The 'feast upon the Sacrifice' is intended to be perpetually repeated (i Cor. xi. 25 f.). Dr. Milligan argues that, ' since the offering on the part of the eternal Son is His life, it follows that His offering must be as eternal as Himself. . . . [It] was only begun and not completed on the cross ' (Expositor, 1888, ii. 351). In other words, the death is once for all; the offering of the life, which completes the Sacrifice, goes on to eternity. It is a question perhaps of more importance than may appear at first sight, whether the ' pleading ' that takes place in heaven is to be regarded as part of the Sacrifice, or as distinct from and subsequent to it Is there an eternal presentation of the Blood (which seems to be Dr. Milligan's view), or an eternal ivrtvts following upon the presentation (Heb. vii. 35)! Mr. Dimock (Christian Doctrine of Sacerdotium, p. 49) draws a dis- tinction ' between a " proper offering," which was once performed by His death upon the cross, and between an " improper offering," which is now made either in heaven, by that His appearance on our behalf, or here on earth, by prayers and representation, or obtestation, or commemoration." On Dr. Milligan's view ' the appearance in heaven ' at least might be considered as part of the original Sacrifice (word ovrapiv cv/jaros atcwtov). It may be true that one of these modes of speaking is more exact than the others, but they are all intended to describe the same acknowledged facts, and not one of them is without an intelligible ground. (c) The main direct passages are i Pet. ii. 5, 9 ; Rev. i. 6, v. 10, xx. 6. It is noticeable that in i Pet. ii. 5, which is most explicit, the sacrifices offered are moral rather than ceremonial. Compare Rom. xii. i ; Heb. xiii. 15 f. 4 a, b, d] AND DEFINITIONS 27 (d) Dr. Milligan argues that ' whatever function Christ discharges in heaven must also be discharged, according to her capabilities and opportunities, by His Church on earth. This principle is the simple corollary to the fundamental principle of the Church's existence as a spiritual body, that she is the Body of Christ, and that the Body lives in such close communion with the Head, that whatever the latter is or does the former must in a measure be or do' (Expositor, 1889, i. 200). This is far-reaching, if true. It invites discussion. DR. FAIRBAIRN. The answer to this question may be intro- duced by the remark that, while on these points there is in the Apostolic thought a striking unity, there is a significant variety in its types, or the forms under which it is presented. Thus, while there is complete agree- ment as to the death of Christ being a Sacrifice for sin, this Sacrifice is by no means regarded by all, equally, as sacerdotal in its character. (a) and (b} St. Paul's references to the death of Christ are more forensic or legal than sacerdotal, i. e. His death is conceived more figuratively than formally and materially as a sacrifice. For while He conceives it as involving loss and suffering even unto the surrender of life, in order that by its means Christ might effect man's reconciliation to God ; yet he does not conceive it, like the author of ' Hebrews,' as the act of a priest who offers Himself as a sacrifice in a temple, in order that he may enter the Holy of holies and make eternal intercession for us. On the contrary, Paul conceives the death through the idea of the Law as living and regulative and punitive rather than through the associations of the Levitical system. Indeed, nothing is more remarkable than his avoidance of Levitical figures and phraseology ; and his preference, so far as he uses any historical forms for the interpretation of the sacrifice and death of the Redeemer, for the forms that we may call prophetic rather than priestly. Thus he finds the prototype of Christ and His work not in Leviticus, but in the Suffering Servant of God in Isaiah (Rom. x. 16-17, ao, xi. 26 ; i Cor. xv. 3 ; 2 Cor. v. 21). This Pauline standpoint is made the more emphatic by such a crucial text as Rom. iii. 25, 26, where to read iKaarrjptov in a Levitical sense is to dislocate the whole order of his thought ; and by references throughout to the righteousness of God by faith as opposed to the righteousness of law or of works. Even the 28 STATEMENTS [4 a, b, c explicit references to Christ's death as a Sacrifice bear out this view : ' Christ is our Passover' (i Cor. v. 7), the rite where the father was the priest and the official priesthood had no function. And Eph. v. 2 is too purely ethical to permit a strictly sacerdotal inference. In Hebrews, the Sacrifice is conceived under sacerdotal forms, but these are expressly designed to bring out the uniqueness of both the Priesthood and the Sacrifice. He was a priest without sin and without successor, and His Sacrifice was spiritual, made by His obedience and offered once for all, leaving no other possible or necessary (Heb. ix. 26, x. 5-7, 12). In i Pet. i. 19, ii. 24, the texts determinative of the Petrine position, the form under which the Sacrifice is conceived is not sacerdotal and Levitical, but prophetic and ethical, being, like the Pauline, directly suggested by the Deutero-Isaiah. The Apocalypse and the Epistles of John both speak of the piacular work of Christ, but in neither is it associated with the express recognition of His Priesthood. The ritual or Levitical formulae are most marked in the Apocalypse, where of course they are very numerous, as i. 5, v. 6-9, &c., and this makes only the more significant the emphatic statement that in *the Holy City, the New Jerusalem, the only temple is the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb (xxi. 22). In i John His work is described as a propitiation (i\a e'jUTjy avdfj.vrj } $T\V.( (i Cor. x. 15, 140 THIRD DISCUSSION [III. 6 19), and ev\oyoviJLv, K\&nev (ver. 16). The terms that would have turned the rite into a priestly sacrifice are absent ; it is a communal rather than sacerdotal cere- mony ; preserves the domestic forms or family customs under which the most creative and important of all the events in the history of Israel had been wont to be celebrated. And so out of the eucharist as Paul describes it and he is the one Apostolic writer who does describe it, though only in one of his epistles the idea that it was a sacrifice offered by a sacrificing priesthood cannot, by literary exegesis, be reasonably deduced. And this inference is confirmed when we come to look at his idea of the ' body ' through his enumeration o*f its constituent organs or ministers. Here we have three most significant passages. First he tells the Corin- thians (i, xii. 27, 28) that they are 'the body of Christ, and severally members thereof ' ; and then he specifies, as organs or members set in the Church by the act and will of God, 'Apostles, prophets, teachers, miracles, gifts of healing, helps, governments, kinds of tongues.' The priesthood is not simply conspicuously absent ; it is not even glanced at in any of the offices or functions enumerated in the list. Secondly, in Rom. xii. 4-8, the Church appears as the body of Christ, with members who though they differ in duty or office, are all yet as it were so inter-incorporated, as to be members one of another through each being an organ of the whole. The gifts which he specifies as differentiating each organ or member from the others, even while enabling each to contribute to the harmony and efficiency of the whole body, are prophecy, ministry (StaKovia), teaching, exhor- tation, charity, government ; but he never names priest- hood, nor anything priestly. What he conceives is a worship by the spontaneous obedience of God and the ethical service of man, rather than by the observance III. 7] THIRD DISCUSSION 141 of sacerdotal forms. Quite as explicit is the third refer- ence in Eph. iv. u, 12. The Church, as Paul there conceives it, is c one body, and one spirit ' (ver. 4) ; and he specifies the various organs which are needed for ' the perfecting of the saints, unto the work of the ministry, unto the building up of the body of Christ.' And what were these organs or ministers ? Apostles, prophets, evan- gelists, pastors, and teachers ; but again, no priest, and no reference to any priestly office or function. These are decisive passages, for they are the great texts con- cerned with the mystical body and its organs ; and I feel quite unable to conceive how Paul could have omitted all reference to a priesthood and its sacrifices if they had been in his mind, or the mind of the Apostolic Church, necessary either to the being or to the well- being of that Church. And this suggests another thing which belongs to the perspective, and what we may term the general proportion and harmony, of the picture. Consider the place assigned to the priest and his sacrifices in the Roman Church, to the eucharist and to the cele- brating priest with his ritual and his robes in the Anglican Church ; then imagine a series of letters as individual in character, and as specific in detail as are our Pauline Epistles, addressed by some person high in authority to each province of the Roman Church, or to each diocese of the Anglican ; and could you conceive the questions touching the priesthood and its functions and sacrifices treated, or rather completely omitted from treatment, as they are in these epistles of Paul ? And does not this imply a total change, if not, as regards the thought, in the centre of gravity, yet in the perspective of the picture, and in the proportion, quality, and value of the figures that represent and embody its life ? 7. DR. MOBERLY. I begin with one or two comments upon what has been already said. 142 THIRD DISCUSSION [III. 7 1. The crucial question is whether the corporate body of the Church can be said to be priestly. It seems to me a mistake to let the discussion turn primarily upon the application of priestly terms to an order within the Church. This is not unimportant, but it is, comparatively speaking, a detail. Whether Christ's priestliness can be predicated of the Church as a whole is a question of cardinal importance. If this be once conceded, the use of priestly terms of the Church's ministry is a mere corollary, which will drop into its own proportions, and follow in its own time. 2. Archdeacon Wilson used terms just now about the ministerial order (as separate, exclusive, &c.), to which C should demur. Without staying to make any com- ment, I would merely offer instead the phrase that the so-called ' priests,' instead of exclusively absorbing the priestly character, are strictly the ( ministerial organs of the Church's priesthood.' 3. I should like to say that the suggestion of the identity or continuity of the natural and supernatural is one which I do not at all shrink from. Again I would comment only by offering the single, unexplained phrase, that ' ideally, in the Church, everything is supernatural.' Turning to our main question, I observe that there is much tendency to accentuate the contrast between what Christ is, and what the Church can be said to be. ' Oh, yes ! ' it is apt to be implied, ' we quite agree that such or such a thing is true of Christ ; but it is not true of the Church of Christ.' I do not say that there are not aspects in reference to which such a distinction may have to be drawn. Christ is a separate figure in history, as well as a spiritual unity. Nevertheless, it seems to me that we are, speaking broadly, upon the wrong tack, when we are constantly basing ourselves upon this in. 8] THIRD DISCUSSION 143 distinction. The Pentecostal Church is the expression of Christ, and the presence of Christ. Of course the phrase ' body of Christ ' is scriptural and familiar. But that very phrase is sometimes treated as if the emphasis were all upon body the body of Christ, but not Christ. But it is the body not as contrasted with spirit. The body is alive, and the spirit is the breath of the life of the body. The spirit is everything. Ecclesia proprie et principaliter Ipse est Spiritus. ' If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.' Whether we think of the individual personality of a Christian, or of the Christian corporate body as a whole, I think we are wrong when we essay to find what either is by itself in contrast with, or separation from, Christ. The deeper way of understanding either is precisely the opposite. Either individual personality or the corporate Church, is what it is by virtue of identity an identity of spirit even more than of body with Christ. Our main prin- ciple should be that what Christ is, the Church is ; because the Church is the body, whose breath is the spirit, of Christ ; because the Church is Christ. That Christ is this or that, but that the Church of Christ is not, is a dangerous basis of thought. If I do not wholly say that it is an inadmissible distinction ; if there are spheres and purposes for which it has reality ; yet, after all, it is not so much that there are such and such reserved points predications which are to be made of Christ, but denied of His Church ; as that He alone is in Himself the cause and the possibility of all that identity of the Church with Himself: an identity which, when caused and made possible and actual by Him alone, is then itself, ideally, quite absolute and without reserve. 8. DR. RYLE. I wish to preface what I have to say with a reference to a remark of Canon Scott Holland yesterday. 144 THIRD DISCUSSION [m. He demurred to the use of the word metaphor as applied to sacrifice and priesthood. It is important that there should be no misapprehension here. I should be very sorry if any words I had used could be thought to derogate from the supreme importance of the doctrine of the atoning sacrifice. From the physical point of view the death of Christ was a dying ; from the Roman point of view it was an execution ; from the Jewish point of view we may say it was a murder. From the Christian point of view it was a sacrifice, and it becomes sacrificial by the description of the historical fact under meta- phorical terms. The reference to sacrificial institutions was the best means for interpreting eternal truths. Then toith regard to the priesthood, there is a very funda- mental difference as to the way in which we regard the question. In Christ we have a new priesthood in which all have complete access to the Holiest an access which before was only permissible to the high priest. The Christian ministry may be conceived of as a priesthood, an order representing the community in the dedication of service and of offerings ; and in that way the eucharist may be regarded as sacrifice. The phrase 'a sacrificing priesthood* for the Christian ministry appears to me to be either incorrect or misleading. It is incorrect if it indicates that the sacrifice of Christ was not absolutely the one complete expiatory offering. It is misleading if the priest is simply offering sacrifices of thanksgiving or almsgiving ; for sacrifice is generally associated with expiatory offering. No doubt the phrase was used in early times, but it was used with reference to an offering of prayer and thanksgiving. We cannot dwell too strongly on the fact that we have but one expiatory sacrifice. 9. DR. SALMOND. I should like to refer for a moment to some remarks which fell from Dr. Moberly, and which III. 10, 11] THIRD DISCUSSION 145 seem to me of great importance. If I understood him aright, he is quite willing to dissociate his position from the use of terms like sacerdotal and priestly, and would prefer to speak of ' ministerial organs of the Church.' Now that is exceedingly important. 10. DR. MOBERLY. I do not think that is correctly quoted. You have left out the word ' priesthood.' It was ' minis- terial organs of the Church's priesthood.' 11. DR. SALMOND. Then that leaves me not without hope that a good deal of our difference is a matter of terms and definition of terms. (' Hear, hear.') I wholly admit, of course, that Christ founded a Church, and that He instituted certain rites in it. I also hold that it is open to the Church to take order for its administration and organization, but then I have to part company with many brethren after that. I see that the New Testament speaks of a priesthood of the Christian people, but I discover in it nothing like a priesthood of any particular official. As I have already said I do not find the recognized term for ' priest ' applied anywhere in the New Testament to the Christian minister as such, but I find it always restricted to Christ Himself, and to the Christian people, where the Christian idea of a priest or a priesthood is in view. I have no proof, therefore, of the institution by our Lord in His ' Church ' of anything like priestly rites or prero- gatives, using the term priestly in the proper sense of sacerdotal. Hence all such phrases as ' sacrificing priests,' ' a sacrificing priesthood,' &c., seem to me to be without New Testament warrant, and also to be as misleading as they are inappropriate. But I understood Canon Moberly to say further, that it was a mistake to distinguish between Christ and the Church, because the Church has the Spirit of Christ. Now in this there is something that I could at once and most cordially accept, but it would be with the explana- L 146 THIRD DISCUSSION [III. 11 tion that it is not in the sense of such an identification between Christ and the Church as is sometimes meant by it. And this brings me to the immediate questions What is the mystical union, and what is the point of the phrase ' the body of Christ ' ? Now there is no doubt that the idea of the mystical union, and the description of the Church as ' the body of Christ,' have a large place in the New Testament. But what is meant by them ? Do they lend any support to the sacerdotal conception of the Christian minister and to the various things connected therewith ? If we go back to our Lord's own discourses we find in them much that relates to the question of unity. In His *words unmistakable and varied expression is given to the great truth that there is a oneness between Him and His disciples. He speaks of it also in more than one aspect. He speaks of it as a union which is not realized at present, but which is to be aimed at now, and to have its complete fulfilment hereafter (John xvii). He speaks of this oneness also as a relation of life (John xv), on the believer's side a relation of dependence so vital that apart from Christ he can do nothing. Paul takes up these truths and unfolds their meaning and applications in the light of his own knowledge of Christ and his own experi- ence of the Christian life. In his writings this idea of oneness between Christ and His disciples is set forth at large, in various forms, and, in especial, in its relations to Christ's death and resurrection. He speaks of a union with Christ to moral effects (Rom. vi. 1-6 ; Col. iii. i, 2 ; Eph. ii. 5, 6) ; of a union with Him to legal effects, or effects of standing and relation (Rom. v. 12-19 ; viii. i ; 2 Cor. v. 21) ; of a union with Him in life (Gal. ii. 20). All this with much else is said with reference to the individual believer. But in Paul we have also the larger conception of a oneness between Christ and the Church III. 12] THIRD DISCUSSION 147 the Church as a whole. This is what he illustrates by the figure of the ' body ' of which Christ is the ' Head ' (Eph. i. 23). It is a great and singular conception, of which my time permits me to say but one or two things, and these very shortly. In the first place it should not be forgotten that this is only one of various figures under which Paul expresses the relation between Christ and His people, or His Church. It is not to be pressed, therefore, to the neglect of others. If we wish to get a correct and complete view of Paul's idea of the Church and its relation to Christ, we must take all his different figures and forms of statement together. In the second place, it is to be noticed that the particular respect in which this great figure of the body and the head is introduced in Eph. i is that of dependence on Christ, subjection to Him as Lord of and over all. And in the third place it seems to me to be very evident that by the Church^ which is called Christ's body, Paul does not mean a visible society or organization, but the general body of believers, the totality of those, wherever found, who are described in the preceding verses as ' chosen,' ' fore- ordained unto adoption as sons,' ' holy,' ' believing,' ' for- given,' ' sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise.' 12. CANON GORE. In my opinion the very essence of Christianity is the conception that Christ is realized in the visible body of the Church, and everything that weakens that conception is to be deprecated. It is in and through corporate fellowship that we realize all that is possible for us as individuals. I was rejoiced to find in 'the catechism of the Free Churches' a recognition of the doctrine of the visible body, the importance of which it was hardly possible to exaggerate. Christ lives as a quickening Spirit in the body in order that the whole body may become a great priestly race. If the Levitical priesthood is abolished it is that the funda- L 2 THIRD DISCUSSION [III. 12 mental or Christian priesthood that priesthood which the whole of the New Testament exists in order to express may be found through Christ in the Church, and I would ask whether it is not in that truth that lies our best hope of being drawn together. I agree with what Dr. Moberly said about the mystical union, and I would say in public what I have already said in private to some members of the Conference. It appears to me that the difficulty about ' sacerdotalism ' would be best met if the opponents of ' sacerdotalism/ instead of introducing the idea of the priestliness of the whole body as a mere repartee or foil to the priestliness of the ministry, would agree to emphasize this priest- hood of the whole body in its rich positive meaning. I think we all on this side of the table are conscious of the perils of ' sacerdotalism,' which history has only too abundantly illustrated and which we all most earnestly desire to counteract. It is the same idea of the priesthood of the whole body which is our best antidote to any false emphasis on the priesthood of the ministry. I believe, then, we could make one important step towards agreement if we all realized that the true way of counteracting the evils of a false sacerdotalism lies in emphasizing and not minimizing the priestly character of the Christian life and society as a whole. Arch- deacon Wilson has referred to the Eastern and Western theologies. I think that you will never acclimatize the type of doctrine which is identified specially with Clement of Alexandria and Origen, in England ; but if you want a man whose doctrines are best calculated to undermine mistaken ideas of sacerdotalism, you will find him in the Western Saint Augustine. In his doctrine of the eucharist you have that which counteracts all that is mistaken in sacerdotalism. Again, I cannot easily con- ceive any human composition which expresses the III. 13] THIRD DISCUSSION 149 ethical character of Christianity more completely than those liturgies in which the first Christian company expressed their ideas about the eucharist. That is my point let the true sacerdotalism expel the false the broader conception the falsely narrow the ethical the mechanical. 13. CANON BERNARD. Something has been said about dying with Christ as bearing on the thought of our joining in Christ's sacrificial act. But is it not the case that St. Paul (as in Rom. vi. 4) associated this thought of dying with Christ with the sacrament of baptism, and not of the eucharist ? No view of the ' mystical union ' ought to be taken which evacuates the meaning of a personal, independent existence of each soul, and any system which overlooks that in any way cannot be brought home to the people generally. There has been mention made in this Conference of convictions which lie deep in human nature, which must be taken account of in all attempts to bring religion home to men ; and this conviction of separate individuality is one of them. It is extenuated and disregarded when we look at the indi- vidual exclusively in the light of his relation to the Church or even of his relation to Christ. The great steps which were made towards individualism under the guidance of the prophets, and particularly Jeremiah and Ezekiel, were not retraced under the Gospel. I know that the question between the Church and the individual as to which is the proper subject of justification is sup- posed to be left open in the Epistle to the Romans, but for myself I believe that the important conception always will be that of the individual human soul over against Christ, devoted to Christ, inspired by Him, and in com- munion with Him : Christ alone atoning once for all, and the believer apprehending the atonement more and more. I should also like to protest that the idea of offering to 150 THIRD DISCUSSION [HI. 14-16 God the elements in consecration, is a matter entirely distinct from the early Christian conception of offering alms and food, prayer and thanksgiving, and I believe that the date of the new conception can be fixed by Church historians with tolerable clearness. 14. DR. SANDAY. Would you say when ? 15. CANON BERNARD. About the time of Cyprian, I sup- pose. With regard to the use which was made at the beginning of the discussion, of dra/izn/o-is as suggesting with other things a sacrificial idea of the eucharist, it is hardly necessary to remind the Conference that St. Paul explains dva/AVTjo-iy, in I Cor. xi. 25, by KarayyeAAere in ver. 26, and that that word is always used in the New Testament of proclaiming to men, and never of setting forth to God. When St. Paul (i Cor. x. 1-4) wished to produce parallels from the wilderness-history for the two sacra- ments of the Gospel, why did he choose manna and water from the rock, instead of sacrifices, as a parallel for the eucharist, if the character of the latter was primarily sacrificial ? 16. DR. DAVISON. It appears to me that the position the discussion has reached is this. There is a general agree- ment, I am happy to think, that our Lord's sacrifice and priesthood are unique, that there is a piacular element which constitutes that a work by itself, and we proceed this morning to ask whether it is desirable to emphasize that part of our Lord's work in which the Church may claim some share under the style and title of Priesthood and Sacrifice. I think we must all agree with most of what has fallen from Dr. Moberly and Canon Gore, and I at least was glad of an indication such as they furnished of a common in. 17, 18] THIRD DISCUSSION 151 ground upon which we might meet together. Agreeing as I do, with them on what has been said concerning the mystic union, may I say now why I cannot go further with them? It is because of the very nature of the subject that has called us together, viz. sacrifice and priesthood. The mystic union does not join Christ and His followers together in this respect. I know that the word ' sacrifice ' covers a wide area, and that is the very reason why I do not think it desirable that it should be emphasized to describe the work of the Church or of an order in the Church. In this I am following the New Testament, whether we take St. Paul, or the Hebrews, or other Epistles. 17. CANON GORE. My object was to begin at the other end, with St. Paul's conception of our Lord's priesthood. 1 8. DR. DAVISON. I know that there is a line of continuity between Christ's work and that of His Church, and I value it highly. But is it not clear that the attempt to preserve it down the line of priesthood and sacrifice has brought in disputable and even mischievous elements ? We must remember, too, that we cannot take 'sacri- ficing priesthood ' without ' absolving priesthood.' Very little has been said about that to-day, but it is an integral part of the subject. And in coming to what are called the ministerial ' organs ' of this priesthood in the Church, does not all history show how easily and imperceptibly these tend to fill the place of Christ Himself? It is for this reason that, while holding a continuity on certain lines between the work of Christ and that of His Church, yet on the subject of Sacrificing Priesthood I think the most important thing is to preserve the contrast between the two. I have not time to speak of what is called ' the eucha- ristic sacrifice,' but I find in the New Testament no 152 THIRD DISCUSSION [HI. 19 warrant for speaking of the Lord's Supper as a sacrifice a mode of speech which properly begins in the Church about the time of Cyprian. The ' offerings ' spoken of in Clement of Rome, the Didache, Ignatius, and the earlier Fathers, are capable of, and demand, a different explanation. 19. CANON SCOTT HOLLAND. Dr. Fairbairn has alluded to the rarity of reference to the priesthood in the Epistles. But I cannot help recalling what was said once by the Archbishop of Canterbury in St. Paul's, that, in reading the Bible, we must remember that the most important things were often what it left out. We want to know the habitual and everyday facts of the early Christian life ; and these are just what are omitted as not worth notic- ing. So, in the Epistles, the points of the Creed that were in dispute occupy the main bulk ; while if we desire to know the deep elemental verities about which every churchman was agreed, we have to unearth them from casual and passing references to them in the Salutations or Benedictions with which St. Paul opens or closes an Epistle. Now the references to the eucharist may be rather rare ; but, when they occur, they obviously refer to some- thing that everybody is bound to know and understand to some recognized and indisputable ground of belief and conduct common to the whole body. The rehearsal of the matter in i Cor. ix and the appeal to it in chap. x. 1 6 make this absolutely certain. As to the sacrifice of Christ, I want still to plead what I have said before, that the inward motive is not, in itself, sacrificial until it has obtained an outward realization until it can succeed in making an offering. The ' Lo ! I come to do Thy will ' becomes sacrificial when it has completed its intention in the offering of the body prepared for it. The will that is to be done III. 19] THIRD DISCUSSION 153 is that He should have a body to present in sacrifice. And so it is that our own offerings of spiritual thanks and praises only gain the right to use sacrificial lan- guage through the sacrifice, present in their midst, of the body and blood. It is this that constitutes them sacrifices. We have all agreed that the sacrifice and priesthood of Christ are absolutely unique and alone effectual. There is no other sacrifice ; there is no other priesthood. The only question is how do they reach and touch this or that soul across the centuries? What is their mode of arrival ? Canon Bernard says, they arrive at each soul individually, by the direct and hidden action of God upon the individual. We say, they arrive at each soul through its membership in the body. The body, the society, the Church, is the scene of the action is the organ of contact. The body mediates the sacrificial life. The contact with the eternal offering of Christ is a social act. It happens to the soul through its place in the fellowship. We plead that this tallies with all St. Paul's language. If so, then it arrives through man to man. Men are the material of the body. For the law of ' through man to man ' is the primal law of the Incarnation. To fulfil its necessities, Christ became a man. Everything that we know of Christ is mediated through men to us. We have no single phrase or word of His that has not reached us through another man's memory and mind. Christ chose this method of making Himself known, when He abstained from all writing, and gave us no means of knowing what He said, except by the im- pression conveyed through another. In everything, salvation uses man to bring God to man. Why not in the sacrament ? And does not this thought open out into criticism 154 THIRD DISCUSSION [in. 20 upon a phrase that has been used of ' Every man his own priest'? Is that not a contradiction in terms? A priest is one essentially who acts on behalf of another. The priesthood of the layman lies in his power to put out his powers to succour another, to plead for another. We have confined our talk very largely, in these Conferences, to the nature of the soul's own salva- tion. But the soul's capacity for priesthood begins at the point where, being already saved, it can lend itself out to the redemptive purposes of the body. It is when it has become capable of service, that it can claim to be priestly. Every Christian is a priest, so far as he il not saved alone, to and for himself, but is incorporated into a brotherhood to which he can contribute force, as well as receive force from it. ao. DR. SANDAY. This has been the most important of our meetings. It was, of course, to be expected that as we became used to the method of proceeding we should go more directly to the point. The speeches of this morning are of extreme value, equally those of both sides. I would say just one word as to the annulling of the Levitical priesthood and sacrifices. Might we not say that they were only annulled qua Levitical not qua sacrifice or priesthood ? Then as to the mystical union, I feel that I am not arguing with any one I am arguing only with myself. I appreciate very strongly both sides of the question which have been put before us. It has been present to my mind just as has been stated. We have the mystical union applied in a number of ways in Scripture ; but is it not the case, that just the way in which it does not seem to be applied in Scripture is in connexion with these two ideas of sacrifice and priesthood ? That is my difficulty. The question is can we generalize the idea ? III. 20] THIRD DISCUSSION * 155 I feel very strongly the arguments that have been put forward for generalizing it. Another question of fundamental interest has been raised with reference to the doctrine of Personality. Some years ago I took a certain view which was entirely due to that doctrine ; but I have been shaken as to the validity of the conclusions I then drew. That has come to me, I may say, partly because it has been my duty in the last year or two to lecture upon the doctrine of the Holy Trinity, and so to reconsider the whole question as to the nature of Personality. Another point upon which, if there were time, I should be glad to hear a little more said would be as to the question of the ministry under the form of organs of the body. There again I face both ways. On the one hand, with reference to the way in which the question has been presented to us by Archdeacon Wilson, I suspect that my friends on the right could not accept a good many of the terms in which he described the relation of the organs to the body. On the other hand, I should very much like to know from my friends on the left what exactly is their view in regard to such relation. Do they think that these particular organs are interchange- able with other organs, with the members of the body generally? Do they think that it is open to any member of the body to undertake those functions which are specially appropriated to a particular organ ? I am not putting it very well, and they will do it much better. I should like to ask for some sort of answer to that question. The third point was in relation to Transmission. I must confess that I appealed to Dr. Driver with the view of getting an expert's account of the real meaning of the ' laying on of hands ' in the Old Testament, but strange to say, just the one passage on which I had been 156 THIRD DISCUSSION [III. 21 in the habit of laying most stress myself (Gen. xlviii. 14; see pp. 38, 40), was the one that he ruled out of court. It is, of course, not ultimately ruled out of court because the word used was a different one in Hebrew to that which was used in other connexions ; still the fact must be noted. I confess that I was taken quite by surprise. I have not yet got my ideas quite in order. I suspect that the fundamental passage, so far as the transmission of office in the Church is concerned, has been that which relates to the laying on of hands of Moses upon Joshua. I share the feeling which is strong on my left that we should guard against the idea of magical effect in ordination, if I may use the word for want of a better. ai.*THE REV. ARNOLD THOMAS. It has been a pleasing and surprising thing to me to find how much I am in sympathy with gentlemen on the other side. Scarcely a sentence has been said to which I could not cordially assent, though of course it is possible that I should not interpret some terms which have been used quite in the way in which they would be interpreted by the speakers. Still, it is one of the happiest results of this Conference that we find ourselves so near to one another in things that are most essential and most sacred. I am glad of all that has been said by Canon Scott Holland who appears to be three parts a Congre- gationalist on the subject of the Church. I do not think we can make too much of the Church, and its claims, and functions, and privileges ; and I may say that one reason why some of us value Congregationalism is that it attaches so much importance to the idea of the Christian fellowship, and affords its members such large opportunity of mutual and common ministries in spiritual things. While claiming independence of secular control we recognize in the most practical way our depen- dence on each other for the mutual society, help, and III. 21] THIRD DISCUSSION *I57 comfort, that we feel one ought to have of another in the family of God. But is it not possible, in laying so much stress on the relation of the individual to the society, to be too little mindful of the personal relation of the soul to God? One speaker said, I think, that the Christian life begins in the Church. But is that quite so? 'The life,' says St. Paul, 'which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave Himself for me.' There is something intensely individual in that confession. The Apostle's Christian life had a beginning, it would seem, that was not related to the Church, but directly to Christ And while we may, no doubt, carry individualism too far, may we not also err in the opposite direction, and give too little heed to the responsibilities for the exercise of the faculties of thought, and feeling, and faith, which rest on the individual soul? Much has been said on the priesthood of the whole Church, and I am thankful for it. But how is this priesthood to be exercised by the laity, if their priestly functions are delegated to special officers ? Is there not danger that this delegation will come to mean practical surrender ? Will not the layman, though de jure, perhaps, still a priest, cease to be one de f octal That is my fear whenever an order of priests is instituted. What is the prerogative of the Christian priest? It is, I suppose, to enter into the Holy of Holies, to have access to the Father, and to offer the spiritual sacrifices of the new dispensation. But must not every Christian do these things for himself? can such offices be discharged by proxy ? and if we transfer these rights to others, do we not part with a privilege which we are not at liberty to part with? When the spirit of adoption is crying within me 'Abba, Father,' a human mediator would seem to be superfluous. There is no need for him. 158 THIRD DISCUSSION [III. 22 There is no room for him. The child, accepted in Christ, is face to face with his Father. It is true, of course, as has been most justly said, that God uses men in the fulfilment of His redeeming and reconciling work. But my brother's function is to bring me, by instruction and persuasion, into the holy presence, and when he has done that his work is accomplished. It is not for him then to stand in any way between the soul and the Saviour. That intercourse must be personal, immediate. So I interpret the New Testament. As I have heard it put : ' When a man walks with God, there is no room for the priest between them.' A word on the meaning of the Church. I understand * Canon Moberly to say that it is the indwelling of the Spirit of Christ that is the making of the Church. But can we say, then, of any community in which this Spirit is manifestly dwelling that it is no part of Christ's mystical body ? And if we find, as I think we do find, that the gift and operations of His Spirit and grace are limited to no one form, or polity, or means of communi- cation, can we say that these saintly people are ' of the body,' but that those other people, equally saintly, are not 'of the body'? Are not all 'of the body' who are filled with the Spirit? There are differences of opinion among honest and learned men as to what our Lord did, or intended, in regard to the constitution of the Church, and what was left thus doubtful can surely not be of the first importance. But has He not made it clear by the evidence of indubitable facts that His Spirit is bestowed on all alike who trust Him fully, and serve Him faithfully with the surrender of the heart and will, and do not these facts suggest a larger conception of the Church than that which has frequently prevailed? 22. THE REV. C. G. LANG. There is no one in this room III. 22] THIRD DISCUSSION 159 who can better appreciate the force of Mr. Arnold Thomas's words or those of Dr. Fairbairn than I do. It is known to mos*t of you, I suppose, that if I had followed the way of my birth and early training, I should have been sitting on the opposite side, and not where I am now. No one who has had, with Dr. Fairbairn, the experience, graven into his life by his very blood, of the singular piety, devotion, and nearness to Christ of genera- tions of the Scottish Presbyterian ministry, can allow any view that he may come to take, to narrow his sense of the bond which unites all to the one Christ through the one Spirit of God. Let me say a very fragmentary word in regard to this point of the mystical union with our Lord, and how we are to connect it with our share in His sacrifice. Surely it all depends upon the conception we have of the office and work of our Lord in the eternal sphere. It is impossible to dissociate that conception of the office of the living and eternal Christ from the sacri- fice which He has achieved once and for all. With Father Puller I am still feeling that that sacrifice is not a thing completed in the sense of being past in time, and therefore ended. It is completed in the sense that it is perfect there is nothing to be added to it it is eternal. That is why I cannot quite agree with Professor Ryle's words ; because I feel that in some deep mysterious sense a sense which it is hardly possible to express in lan- guage, for language is of things in space and time the function, so to say, of that sacrifice is not ended, but is eternal as itself. I can imagine nothing that speaks to one's life's need more than the conception of being asso- ciated with the perpetual pleading of the eternal sacrifice ; it is there that the importance of the eucharist comes in. In the eucharist, we have the assurance of the Divinely appointed pledge and symbol of being identified with the eternal sacrifice of the Lamb of God. And so I cannot 160 THIRD DISCUSSION [III. 23, 24 conceive it as being a mere commemorative rite. It is in some mysterious sense a real sharing of the body and blood of a living Christ, who is the eternally perfect sacrifice. The symbolic act is not in itself expiatory. It is nothing in itself apart from Christ, through whom it is offered. It is not, therefore, to my mind expiatory, but it associates us with the eternal presentment by our Lord our eternal High Priest of His sacrifice for the sins of the world. It is an act by which we are permitted, by Divine condescension, in some degree to share in what Christ is doing. One word only as to the conception of priesthood. I feel very strongly that the point of real importance ts the priestliness of the whole body. It is the one thing which it is necessary to contend for. The special priesthood of any class within the body is derivative from the priesthood of the body itself, and that is deriva- tive from the priesthood of its head. It is more or less a matter of history as to how that priesthood has been exercised. Such an historical investigation is beyond our present purpose. 23. THE REV. A. C. HEADLAM. So much has been already said on either side that perhaps there is little left to emphasize. First of all I should like to associate myself with Dr. Moberly's phrase, ' the ministerial organ of the Church's priesthood,' and secondly, I should like to associate myself, as far as transmission goes, with what Archdeacon Wilson has written (see p. 57 f.). I will now pass on to a point touched upon by Archdeacon Wilson and Canon Gore the Eastern Church. I suppose that what Archdeacon Wilson desired to draw our attention to and to emphasize was the survival in the Eastern Church of certain aspects and traditions of the primitive Church which have been lost or obliterated in the West. 24. CANON GORE. I quite agree. III. 24a-26] THIRD DISCUSSION l6l 24a. MR. HEADLAM. This is, I think, particularly important with reference to the subject we are now discussing. The Eastern Church brings out much more clearly than the Western not only the Roman, but also the Anglican that sacraments are not the work of the priest, but through the priest. ' The seven sacraments,' a Russian writer tells us, ' are in reality not accomplished by any single individual who is worthy of the mercy of God, but by the whole Church in the person of an individual, even though he be unworthy 1 .' So in the East, they do not say, ' I baptize,' but ' So-and-so is baptized.' I think I am right in saying that until the sixteenth century, when it came under Roman influence, the Eastern Church, like the primitive, had no form of absolution which was not a prayer. And, to give one more illustration, in the Coptic liturgy it will be noticed how the people generally by their responses are clearly shown to take a part and share in the whole consecration prayer 2 . Turning to the question of the eucharistic sacrifice, I may say that I am not particularly anxious to call it a sacri- fice, my point is that it has been so called from the beginning. It seems to me that those who explain away the sacrificial language of St. Paul in the Corinthians on the institution of the Last Supper, can explain away anything. 25. DR. RYLE. What kind of sacrifice ? 26. MR. HEADLAM. I merely refer to the word sacrifice. What I mean is that we should develop a wholesome idea of eucharistic sacrifice, as against one that is unwhole- some. I do not like the phrase ' sacrificing priesthood ' at all, and I think that the way in which we should guard against erroneous ideas, and the way in which English Nonconformists could help us, is not by con- tinually attacking the use of the word sacrifice or priest, 1 Khomiakoff in England and the Russian Church, by Birkbeck, p. 306. a See Brightman's Liturgies, pp. 176, 177. M 162 THIRD DISCUSSION [III. 27-31 but by joining us in developing the real sacrificial ele- ment. If we do not do that, we put a strong weapon into the hand of those whom we should both alike be glad to correct. With reference to what Dr. Sanday said, I find in reading carefully the writings of the early Church from the fourth century backwards, that two elements come out strongly the idea of the congre- gational element, and the idea of the theory of trans- mission in the ministry, and we have to keep both these elements clearly before us. In the Church of England we want to emphasize the congregational element, and perhaps in other Churches there is the necessity of getting a clearer hold of the element of transmission. 37. DR. FAIRS AIRN. Would you use or substitute the word ' continuity ' for the word ' transmission ' ? 28. MR. HEADLAM. I use 'transmission' in the sense of transmission of authority, as it was used by Archdeacon Wilson. 29. DR. SALMOND. You say continuity as a means of trans- mission ? 30. MR. HEADLAM. Yes. 31. DR. FORSYTH. I value all continuity. Everything depends on the nature of the continuity. Let it only be a continuity of ministerial office and not a continuity of a distinct and separate order. I would lay stress on the continuity of sacrifice in man's relation to God, and I would go further than some by adopting the word ' associated ' in connexion with the eucharist that there is active association of us with the sacrifice of Christ, and more than a mere commemoration. Of course, we must take care that our identification is not with the primary atoning work of Christ, as was made clear yesterday, but with what I may call the inferior and ministering aspect of Christ's work, which we may participate in. I should fully agree that what the Church is, the priest is. The III. 31] THIRD DISCUSSION 163 priest is the expression of the Church's priestliness. I think we might regain and perhaps Dr. Moberly may help us to regain or to restore the sense of the Church's inherent priestliness, using it more than we do as a positive principle rather than a weapon of war ; only we should take more care than he has always done to confine it to the ministering aspects of Christ's work, and not to its piacular aspect. The true nature of the Church is priestly. The priest is what the Church is. He is representative, not imperial. But I cannot follow Dr. Moberly when he goes on to say in his fine book that the Church is what Christ is. That means an ecclesiastical pantheism. The Creation is not the Creator. With reference to what Mr. Arnold Thomas said as to the Christian beauty and power of indivi- duals in bodies in which the sacraments were not observed, I would observe that we cannot, in the face of facts, say that sacraments are absolutely necessary for individuals. But such people have been reared often in a sainted home or body, whose traditions and sacra- mental influences they unconsciously inherit and carry on. In my judgement, sacraments are essentially cor- porate acts, and they are necessary for the continued existence and power of a corporate body like the Church. The question to consider really is how, on the Catholic theory, we can explain the growth, both in extent and energy and sanctity, of those Churches which have repudiated utterly the Catholic ideas of the sacraments, some of them having reduced the sacrament of the eucharist almost entirely to a commemorative act. I would also ask whether the continual and fertile presence of the Holy Ghost in the long history of the non-episcopal Churches is not a surer fact than any exclusive commission from Christ to a ministry of a particular kind. M 2 164 THIRD DISCUSSION [m. 32, 33 [At this point the general discussion began^\ 32. DR. FAIRBAIRN. I fear it would be very inconvenient were we to spend any of the little time remaining to us in breaking fresh ground, but we have reached a point where we might very profitably deal with some questions which have emerged in the course of the discussion. We have made manifest our belief in the truth and reality of the Church, in the continuity of the Church, in its being our common mother, as it were, in whose bosom we were born, through whose gracious influences we were reborn, and within whose sacred precincts lived those who brought us into holy and real communion with God and His Son. But three ideas which have played a great part in our discussions, ought to be most carefully analysed and clearly defined: first, what do we mean when we speak of the Church as ' the mystical body of Christ'; secondly, what does its priesthood mean ; and thirdly, what do we intend the phrase ' the ministerial organs of its priesthood' to signify? We have the more need to be here explicit and distinct, as it is evident that while we are all agreed as to the priest- hood of the Church, we are yet by no means agreed as to what that priesthood is and involves. In order to make a beginning with the first of these ideas, may I put this question to Canon Moberly? If, as he said, the Spirit of Christ constituted the Church, would he con- vert that proposition and say : Where the Spirit of Christ is, there is the Church ? 33. CANON GORE. When Dr. Sanday was saying that it was exactly to the particular point of the sacrificing priesthood that the doctrine of the mystical body was not so conspicuously applied, I felt that I should like to bring to his mind a few sentences from his own printed ' answers ' : and that I should find in these sentences III. 34, 35] THIRD DISCUSSION 165 exactly the answer which I think should be given to Dr. Fairbairn's questions. " St. Peter doubtless meant by UpcJreujua not a mere aggregate of individual priests, but a priestly community. ' Such a priesthood is doubt- less shared by each member of the community in due measure, but only so far as he is virtually an organ of the whole body, and the universality of the function is compatible with variations of mode and degree as to its exercise' (Hort, i Pet., p. 126). The last sentence appears to mean that though all are priests, some may be priests in a fuller and more special sense than others." I should have thought that expression could not have been improved upon ; and Dr. Sanday further says (on p. 27) 'it may be observed that the idea of the Church as the body of Christ is correlative to the idea of its members as fiyiaa-pdvoi, &yioi, KATJTOI &ytoi. This character comes to them through the sacrifice of Christ.' I think those words exactly express what the 'mystical body of Christ ' means on its priestly side. 34. DR. FAIRBAIRN. We owe the phrase ' the Church is the body of Christ ' to St. Paul, and it is a sure as well as a simple lesson of exegesis that the phrase ought to be interpreted in the terms and through the usage of the man who coined it. Now while he uses terms of the Church that signify that its members are ' holy,' ' called,' and ' beloved,' he nowhere describes them as priests ; while he speaks of its ministers as ' Apostles,' 'prophets' * pastors,' ' teachers,' or ' evangelists,' he does not ascribe to them sacerdotal acts or functions. And so I do not see how it is possible to extract from the phrase, as it stands in the original and authoritative source, the ideas either of a priestly body or a ministerial priesthood. 35. CANON GORE. St. Paul's metaphor of the body expresses a truth which St. John and St. Peter teach as well as he the truth that the ' saved ' relation to Christ is only 166 THIRD DISCUSSION [in. 36 realized in the community. And St. Paul, like St. Peter and St. John, holds that the community of the redeemed is a priestly body, i. e. one existing to offer up spiritual sacrifices (Rom. xii. i) which are more than individual which have a corporate reference (Rom. xv. 16, Phil. i-i. 17, iv. 1 8, Col. i. 24, i Tim. ii. i). Is there any other sense in which St. Peter or St. John held the Christian community to be priestly ? 36. DR. SALMOND. I should like to say a word or two on this point. If I understood Canon Gore aright, he begins with the idea of a corporate society. Now we have a corporate society and we have the individual member, and everything hinges on the place which we would give to each of the two. Canon Gore's view appears to be this, that the corporate society is the prior thing, that it is in virtue of our entering it that we become individually members of Christ's body, and that it is through that corporate society we get all that we have and need in the Christian life. That is his view, and he argues that Paul's words could be interpreted in no other light than that. Now I wish to say that I take absolutely the opposite view, and hold that we must begin with the individual believer. I cannot say, in the sense apparently intended by Canon Gore, that the Church makes the individual member. I say rather that the individual members make what we call the Church that body of Christ, which consists of all those lovingly subject to Him. I cannot read Paul's language, even in the great passage to the Ephesians, in any other way, because I find that there, as everywhere else, he is speaking of persons chosen of God in Jesus Christ, not of persons chosen of God or sanctified in the Church ; and it is these persons that he speaks of as forming that great whole, the totality of all believing and separated ones, of which Christ Himself is the head. Any other III. 37-42] THIRD DISCUSSION 167 view than that seems to leave us with an idea of Christ's Church which identifies it with some particular organiza- tion. With that I disagree, believing it to be far short of the spiritual view of the Church which appears in Paul and all through the New Testament. In Paul's Epistles certainly I find nothing to bear out the idea that the Church in its ultimate definition is an organiza- tion, far less an organization of one, fixed, essential form. 37. CANON GORE. St. Paul speaks of being ' baptized into Christ.' He says also ' by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body.' That which brings a man ' into Christ,' brings him also ' into the body ' or community. There is no being in Christ, except as a member of the com- munity. I quite admit that those who become Christians in the belief of the heart are at first outside the body. And the faith that leads them into the body comes to them through the Spirit of Christ. No doubt it was the awakening of the consciousness of the individual that led him into the body, and that awakening was outside the body. But its end was to lead him into the body. I feel that the more you go into St. Paul, the more convincingly anti-individualistic he becomes. 38. MR. ARNOLD THOMAS. It may be that a man is asso- ciated with the Church, although he has no relation to the internal body. 39. DR. FAIRBAIRN. May I now repeat the question which was before asked of Canon Moberly : If it be true that the Spirit of Christ constitutes the Church, is it also true that where the Spirit of Christ is, there is the Church ? 40. MR. HEADLAM. That expression occurs in Irenaeus. It means that wherever the Church of Christ is, there also is His Spirit. 41. DR. FAIRBAIRN. I have nothing to do with Irenaeus. I am dealing with Dr. Moberly (laughter). 42. DR. SALMOND. It will be remembered, at any rate, that l68 THIRD DISCUSSION ^ [III. 43, 44 in Irenaeus we have both terms, not only 'where the Church is, there is the Spirit of God/ but also 'where the Spirit of God is, there also the Church and every grace exist.' 43. DR. MOBERLY. I am quite ready to answer Dr. Fair- bairn to the best of my power. I must answer by declining to accept the simple conversion of my pro- position. I do not think it would be right to say simpliciter, or in the way of definition, upon earth, that where the Spirit of Christ is, there is the Church. In other words, I believe that, while the whole meaning of the Church is Spirit, there is, none the less, such a thing as a true and proper outward organization of the (Church; and that in the orderly continuity of that organization is the due historical expression of the Spirit on earth. In respect of the status of those who are separated from it, and otherwise organized, I do not pronounce anything. I do not define that their position is exactly this, or is exactly that. But so far as they are sundered from the true historical order, I should certainly not be willing to make the assertion that they were, or were a portion of, the Church. At the same time, I freely recognize the working of the Spirit amongst them ; I do not dream of denying spiritual reality in their ministries, and have, indeed, no basis for delimiting the methods or possibilities of the working of the Spirit amongst those whom I must still consider to be, in respect of their refusal of the true organization of the body, irregular. 44. DR. FAIRBAIRN. May I call Canon Moberly's attention to this fact, that in all the reformed confessions from Augsburg down to the XXXIX Articles, the definition of the Church is one and the same: 'A congregation of saints in which the Gospel is purely preached and the sacraments rightly administered.' There is nothing III. 45-47] THIRD DISCUSSION 169 said as to any special organization or forms of ceremony being necessary to the existence of the Church ; but they are most explicit on these three points, the saint- liness of its members, the true preaching of the pure word, and the due or right administration of the sacraments. Am I correct in inferring that Canon Moberly does not accept this definition, and that he holds that, apart from a special kind of organization, the Church cannot be, nor as a consequence can there be due administration of the sacraments? 45. DR. MOBERLY. I conceive that due administration is not really separate from the conception of due organiza- tion of the body, or from that coherent history of the Church, which runs back to the very beginning. 46. CANON GORE. May I ask Dr. Fairbairn whether the salvation of the individual is not necessary just in order that he may become a part of a living and active body? 47. DR. FAIRBAIRN. No doubt I believe that the 'saved man ' is ipso facto a member of Christ's mystical body, or conversely, that that body is a body composed only of saved men. But the question before us is, what do we mean when we speak of its priesthood and the priest- hood of its ministerial organs ? We have been hindered from reaching this point by the attempt to discover what the Church, the mystical body, is in order that we may find out what we understand its priesthood to be. Now if we go back to St. Paul, to whom we owe the phrase, we find that he never predicates priesthood of the body, and that though he enumerates its organs he never attributes to them the priestly office, least of all the great priestly functions of expiation and absolution. Now what I wish to have explained is this : Whether, and in what sense, priesthood was incorporated into the mystical body of Christ as Paul conceived it? And 170 THIRD DISCUSSION [III. 48-51 whether he conceived its ministerial organs to be priestly, when he attributes to them neither the priestly name nor any special priestly functions ? 48. DR. MOBERLY. The question should be not as to the priestly character of the ministerial organs, apart from the body ; but whether the body itself has a priestly character. The ministerial organs are not priestly in detachment from, or antithesis against, the body, but because the body is priestly, they are the organs of its priestliness. 49. DR. FAIRBAIRN. I do not wish to put the question of the ministerial organs apart from the mystical body; they were not held apart by St. Paul. But if we can interpret the organs through the body, we can also interpret the body through the organs, and these St. Paul describes as ' Apostles, prophets, teachers, miracles, gifts of healing, helps, governments, divers kinds of tongues.' The point that needs to be elucidated is this : Since the Apostle does not predicate either of the body or of its ministerial organs, priestly functions, on what grounds do we attribute to them a character which they had not in his mind ? 50. DR. MOBERLY. I am expressing no view as to the precise condition in which those ministries stand, which are not organized in the way which I hold to be right. All that I positively insist upon is the character and privilege and secure validity of the Church and her ministries, as they are organized (as I should say) apostolically and historically aright. As to any definition of the precise status of those Christian ministries which are organized otherwise, I should, if pressed, decline, and decline on principle, to pronounce one. 51. DR. FAIRBAIRN. That is not my point at all ; nor does it in the least concern me. We have not met to discuss III. 52-57] THIRD DISCUSSION 171 or revise our judgements of each other's commissions, though it is a matter of cordial and common con- gratulation that we have so much community in the possession of fundamental truth. But what I am concerned about is Canon Moberly's interpretation of St. Paul. He is the apostolical authority as to what the phrase means. 52. CANON GORE. We know that on this point we shall not wholly agree. Our purpose in being here is not to emphasize differences, but rather to remove them. 53. DR. FAIRBAIRN. Allow me to restate the reason for this emphasis on St. Paul. The term and the idea are his, through him they come into the Church, and there- fore his usage is determinative of the apostolical idea. 54. CANON GORE. I cannot isolate St. Paul in that way from St. Peter and St. John. I think, as I have said, that St. Paul held in substance what they held about the priestly community or body. 55. DR. FORSYTH. How would it affect the organization or the definition of the Church if it were made out that the Church of the New Testament was congregational in its form of organization in opposition to the historical? 56. CANON GORE. It would make the vastest difference. I think that all New Testament considerations lead not to the congregational but to the other view. 57. ARCHDEACON WILSON. I now think that something should be decided with reference to the nature of the report which is to be published, because some of our members will not be able to remain till after the lunch. Business arrangements will be discussed this afternoon, and it will be necessary to share the expenses of the printing, &c., and I have no doubt that those who are absent will agree with the majority in carrying out what- 172 THIRD DISCUSSION [III. 58 ever may be now decided upon (hear, hear). But at this moment it only remains for us to express our gratitude to Dr. Sanday and I must associate with him Dr. Moberly and Dr. Fairbairn for the great hospitality they have shown to us, and particularly to Dr. Sanday for the courtesy with which he has arranged our meetings, and also for the manner in which he has occupied the chair. We owe him, and I am sure I speak for all who are present, the very deepest gratitude for having given us this unique opportunity of meeting one another and getting to the bottom of some of our differences. To myself, it has been a most instructive and profitable Conference, for it has shown me how much there is in common between us all. I have therefore much pleasure in proposing a very hearty vote of thanks to Dr. Sanday. 58. DR. SALMOND. I suppose I have travelled the longest distance in order to attend this Conference, and I take it upon myself very much for that reason to second the motion which has been made by Archdeacon Wilson. I cannot express for myself how great is my sense of obligation to Dr. Sanday, Dr. Moberly, and Dr. Fairbairn for having given me an opportunity of being present. I should have been well satisfied to have travelled three times the distance in order to attend this Conference (laughter), not only because it has given us an opportunity of becoming acquainted with each other, which I feel indeed to be itself a great pleasure and a great boon, but also because we have gained not a little by our discussion. I think it is something to look back upon with satisfaction and thankfulness that we have had on all sides so frank a recognition of the all-sufficiency and alone-sufficiency of Christ's work. It is quite possible that some who are associated with us on this side may have felt at times a little dread lest the particular doctrine of the Church with which others are associated might not III. 58] THIRD DISCUSSION 173 be quite consistent with that. Now I am here to say that if any such fear has been entertained it has been a groundless fear, so far as this Conference is concerned. I will go further and say that there is absolutely no difference between us on what is the fundamental matter, viz. the absolute completeness and uniqueness of Christ's work and our entire dependence on it. I am sure I am right also in saying that we on this side heartily and thankfully welcome the full recognition which those in this Conference who do not see eye to eye with us in all things have made of the great truth of the priesthood of the Christian people, and for myself I wish 1 to say further how grateful is the statement made by Canon Gore that he is prepared to place that in the forefront. Another thing that has impressed me greatly is this, that there has been such agreement as to what makes the real essence of the unity of the Church, whatever else may be associated with it. I mean the fact that the Spirit of Christ is in the Church. Now when we come to confess together these three great fundamental truths, I think we may say that we have not travelled here and talked with each other in vain. We have exchanged opinions and looked into each other's views of New Testament truth to some good purpose. I thank God for it. I thank Dr. Sanday for all that he has done, and I venture to throw out the suggestion that he might add to the debt under which he has laid us by arranging another series of Conferences in which we might deal with the whole theory of the Church, its ministry, and its sacraments at some future time. I . desire in the strongest possible manner to express my own sense of obligation and my thankfulness, and I finish by praying that we may all be filled with the grace that is given to all them that love the Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. 174 THIRD DISCUSSION [ELL 59-61 59. CANON SCOTT HOLLAND. I rise to add my tribute to that which has already been said. The gentlemen with whom I am associated know a good deal about the subjects with which we have been dealing, but I know nothing whatever. Therefore I have particular reason for thanking Dr. Sanday for inviting me here, and I do thank him from the bottom of my heart. I should like to say, with reference to the points which have been raised at this Conference, that the idea of a priest coming between me and Christ is so inconceivable that the moment of the priestly offering at the altar is the special moment of most direct contact with the personal Christ I have always felt that everybody who is in Christ has that in him which constitutes him a Churchman. 60. DR. DAVISON. I should just like to express my sense of obligation to Dr. Sanday. I have travelled a con- siderable distance during the last two days in order to be present, and I have greatly profited by what I have heard ; and although perhaps I have not altered my opinions very much in consequence, I am deeply indebted to Dr. Sanday, Dr. Moberly, and Dr. Fairbaira for their kindness and hospitality. 61. DR. SANDAY. I thank you from my heart for what has been said. The Conference has been of great interest to me, and it has also caused me some anxiety, but the result has far exceeded my expectations. I have been more than repaid for anything that I may have done to bring the conference about. The sitting then terminated. OXFORD HORACE HART PRINTER TO THE UNIVERSITY