MEMORIAL OF E. K. COLLINS & HIS ASSOCIATES TO THE SENATE AND HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. The undersigned, contractors for carrying the United States Mail between New York and Liverpool, beg leave to call the attention of Congress to the annexed letters of the Postmaster General and the Secretary of the Navy, in regard to the increase of the Atlantic Mail service, and the proposed additional compensation for the same. In making this communication your memorialists beg leave to present a brief statement of what they have accomplished, the circumstances which compel them to solicit additional assistance, and the public reasons which sustain their application. We have built four steamers of an aggregate tonnage of more than 11,000 tons. These steamers have made twenty-eight voyages, with an average speed greater than has ever before been attained-surpassing that of the Cunard steamers, which have been built subsequently to ours; expressly to maintain the maritime supremacy of England. Our steamers have been built at an expense which was unavoidable, in view of the great enterprise to which we were committed. To excel the English lines it was indispensable that we should construct larger vessels, with improved machinery. From the start, therefore, we were involved in experiments; for we could borrow neither the models, nor the machinery, nor the workmen, which were necessary to accomplish our object. England had done her best, and we were hro wn upon our own resources for doing better. 2 Our original proposition contemplated five steamers of 2,000 tons, and of one thousand horse-power each. Ascertaining that we could not compete successfully with the improved English Mail service by vessels of this description, we have built steamers of larger tonnage and increased power, without regard to the calls of our contract or the additional expenses involved. Relying on the national objects in view, and the national character of the enterprise, we have not been content to regard it as a commercial speculation, but have considered ourselves embarked in a contest of maritime skill and superiority. In the latter view we have been eminently successful. The Postmaster General, in his last annual report, takes official notice of the "unrivalled qualities and the speed" of the vessels of our line, and of the very satisfactory manner in which we have performed the service; establishing, in his judgment, the "superiority of American skill and enterprise in the construction of ocean steamers," and entitling us to the most favorable consideration of Congress. But these results could be accomplished only by the most liberal outlay, without reference to the stipulated compensation for the proposed service. Hence it has ensued that our enterprise, on its present basis, must involve all who have engaged in it in heavy losses, unless we are met by Congress in a national spirit, responsive to that by which we have ourselves been actuated. Nearly one-half of our present annual compensation for the Mail service is expended in effecting insurance on our ships, the cost of which has been much enhanced by their immense tonnage, and the expensive improvements without which we could not have competed, with any hope of success, with the greatest naval power in the world. The advantages which have resulted to our country from the prosecution of our enterprise in the manner to which we have referred, and which could not otherwise have been secured, may be briefly enumerated. We are now dividing with England the carriage of the Atlantic mails and passengers; a business of which she had a monopoly previously to the establishment of our line. The Government of the United States has now at its control, and subject to its disposal for any public purposes, whether of war or peace, the four largest and swiftest steamers in the world, supported meanwhile at little present expense to the treasury, and with a safe prospect, not only of reimbursing every dollar of immediate outlay, but of contributing not inconsiderably to the public revenue. It is proper that we should state in this connexion 3 the facts which make it reasonable to believe that the Government will not only be reimbursed for all its expenditures in its ocean mail service, but will ultimately derive a revenue from it. The amount accruing to the Post Office Department from the postage of the ocean steamers, for the year which ended 30th June, 1851, and during the quarter which ended the 30th September, 1851, was $1,131,776 87. This sum would have been paid to the British steamers, and would have aided in keeping afloat a provisional British navy, had it not beent for the policy of competition wisely adopted by the Government of the United States. It is just to assume that this sum will be increased every year, and with the increased number of trips of the American steamers the American proportion of the postages will be augmented without reference to the probable augmentation of international communication. This is, of course, daily extending, leading to a daily extension of our foreign correspondence, and consequently to our receipts from ocean postages. The increased aid, then, that we solicit, and which is indispensable to the continued prosecution of our enterprise, will impose a very inconsiderable present burden on the Treasury, and, taking the whole ternm of our contract, no charge whatever. Your memorialists appeal with pride to the strength, size, and speed of their ships, not merely in view of the advantages which the country derives from them in their pacific mission of transmitting intelligence and passengers from one continent to the other, but also for their capacity of usefulness in time of war, in the transport of troops and supplies, of agents and despatches, as well as for all other naval purposes. And when, in addition to all this, we consider their inexpensive intermediate support, while they are thus in readiness and preparation for such public emergencies, we cannot permit ourselves to doubt that Congress will regard our enterprise with reference to its great public advantages and national ends, and grant us such additional facilities as may be found indispensable to its further prosecution, and the maintenance of our present admitted superiority. We make this appeal with the greater confidence from the fact that the rival English line is sustained to every extent by the English government, and that, in a national competition, we cannot doubt the willingness of the American people to grant all reasonable and just assistance to their countrymen. We ask nothing beyond it, and we know not that we can better manifest our own disposition in this matter, and better prove that we are actuated by national and not personal mo 4 tives in our appeal, than by stipulating at this time, that whatever increased facilities may be extended to us by Congress, we will readily transfer our ships at cost, with our contract, to any persons who may be acceptable to Government, and capable, in their view, of carrying out successfully an enterprise of such vital interest and importance to the American nation. E. K. COLLINS, For himself and associates. Copy. POST OFFICE DEPARTMENT, November 15, 1851. SIR: By their contract, the proprietors of the Collins line of steamers between New York and Liverpool, as you are aware, are required to perform only twenty voyages per annum-that is, monthly trips during four months, and semi-monthly trips eight months, of each year. In alternating, as at present, with the steamers of the Cunard line, we are informed by Mr. Collins that, by the Ist of January next, his steamers will have made seventeen trips, leaving only three voyages to be performed from the 1st January to the 27th April, the end of the contract year. The Cunard line has now been ordered up to weekly service the year round; and deeming it highly important, therefore, that the trips on the Collins line should be increased from twenty to twenty-six a year, I have already given Mr. Collins the assurance, that if he shall see fit to run the necessary additional trips, to alternate, as at present, with the British lines through the year, and will look to Congress for compensation, I will recommend to Congress the allowance of pro rata, or such additional, pay therefor as shall be considered fair and proper under the circumstances. 5 It cannot be doubted that it is for the interest of the United States to afford such aid to the Collins line as will enable it to compete successfully with the British lines running in connexion therewith; and I beg leave to call your attention to the subject, in the hope that you will unite with me in such recommendation to Congress as will secure the increase of the service of the Collins line from twenty to twenty-six trips a year as a permanent arrangement. I have the honor to be, very respectfully, your obedient servant, (Signed) N. K. HALL, Postmaster General. Hon. WM. A. GRAHAM, Secretary of the Navy. Copy. NAVY DEPARTMENT, November 28, 1851. SIR: Your letter of the 25th instant, in relation to further mail service for your steamers between New York and Liverpool, has been received. You are informed, in reply, that this Department concurs with the Postmaster General in his requirements of additional service by the mail steamers from New York to Liverpool, as expressed by him in his letter to this Department, of which you have been furnished with a copy. You will, therefore, be pleased to furnish a schedule of the days of sailing of the Liverpool mail steamers of your line at as early a day as practicable. The subject relating to compensation will be referred by the Postmaster General for the consideration of Congress. I am, very respectfully, your obedient servant, (Signed) WM. A. GRAHAM. EDWARD K. COLLINS, esq., and associates, New York. :~!.THE SUPREMACY OF THE SEAS, OR FACTS, VIEWS, STATEMENTS, AND OPINIONS RELATING TO l)Ie 2mnericat w cani Btithi4 itemnerc BETWEEN THE U. STATES AND LIVERPOOL. FROM AMERICAN AND BRITISH SOURCES. WITH T[-E MEMORIAL OF THE PROPRIETORS OF THE NEW YORK AND LIVERPOOL LINE OF AMERICAN S'rEAMERS. WASHINGTON: PRINTED BY GIDEON AND CO. ___._____- _ -: B y @.U1~~;",~ THE SUPREMACY OF THE SEAS, OR FACTS, VIEWS, STATEMENTS, AND OPINIONS RELATING TO THE AM ERICA N & BRITISH STEAM ERS BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND LIVERPOOL. FROM AMERICAN AND BRITISH SOURCES. WITH THE MEMORIAL OF THE PROPRIETORS OF THE NEW YORK AND LIVERPOOL LINE OF AMERICAN STEAMERS. WASHINGTON: PRINTED BY GIDEON AND CO. 1851. ir2C A memorial having been presented to Congress, relating to the American line of Steamers from New York to Liverpool, it is deemed proper to present, in connexion with the same, the Americah and British views on the great question of supremacy of the seas, which, on both sides of the Atlantic, is now supposed to be involved in the competition of the New York and British lines. The articles here presented will be found to embody a great mass of interesting and instructive facts, and may enable the reader to form just opinions and views respecting the claims of said memorial, as well as upon the pending national contract. MEMORIAL OF E. K. COLLINS AND HIS ASSOCIATES, To the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America. The undersigned, contractors for carrying the United States Mail between New York and Liverpool, respectfully ask the attention of Congress to the statements and the petition of this their memorial. It is now about four years since your mernorialists entered into a contract with the Secretary of the Navy for building five steamships, to be employed as a mail line between this country and England. At that time England enjoyed undisputed supremacy in the steam navigation of the Altantic, and monopolized the carriage of the passengers and letters of the world. In the interval that has since elapsed, your memorialists have built four steamers of the largest size, with acconimodations for the comfort of passengers far exceeding every thing of the kind before known; of a speed that compares favorably with that of the steamers of the competing English lines, and which they attained only after ten years' experience; notwithstanding the inexperience and consequent inferiority of their engineers and firemen, the steamers of the American line have made the shortest passages to the westward, and, with but two exceptions, (and those of three hours only) the shortest passage to the eastward, that have ever yet been accomplished. It is admitted on both sides of the water, that the ships and their steam-machinery, are equal to the best of British build and manufacture. This success has been attained at very great expense, and under very disadvantageous circumstances. The manufacture of machinery, much larger than had ever before been built in this country, was disproportionately expensive, (much larger than was anticipated) and the materials employed in it were better and higher-priced than were ever before used for the same purposes. The cost was still enhanced (in comparison with that of tile British lines) by the high prices of labor; and the result is, that when the line is completed, so great will have been the original outlay that the insurance alone will amount to $228,000, being considerably more than one-half the sum agreed to be paid by Government for the transportation of the mails. Add to this, that the American line suffer dis 4 advantages from the inexperience of its engineers and firemen, besides paying them 50 per cent. more than is paid by the English steamers; and it will hardly be necessary to add, that your memorialists cannot maintain a successful competition with them except upon the grant of such aid from our own Government, as on the basis of tonnageI will correspond to that which the English admiralty extends to the Cunard line. Even on the same terms, the system of maintaining steam-packets convertible into war steamers, is recommended by its economy; for the cost to Government of laying up in ordinary such a steamer as the Baltic, or the Pacific, with interest on the outlay, deterioration, &c., would be $150,000 per annum; as may be ascertained by reference to the accounts of the steamer Mississippi. Your memorialists therefore respectfully solicit from Congress an extension of the time in which to refund the money loaned to them by the Government, so that it may be repaid 10 per cent. annually; that amount to be deducted from the last quarterly payment in each year. They also pray that authority may be given to the Secretary of the Navy to increase their annual compensation, having regard to the tonnage and dimensions of the steamers employed, and to the average per ton allowed to the other American lines, by their existing contracts. Your memorialists further pray that the steamers, in time of peace, may be placed under the exclusive control of your memorialists, and be officered by them, as they apprehend that they can in no other way secure that entire responsibility which is indispensable to the perfect efficiency and safety of the service. Your memorialists respectfully represent, that they have entered upon this enterprise with no exclusive views of commercial profit, but on national grounds, and to prevent the undisputed supremacy of the seas from falling into the hands of a rival power. The contract of your memorialists calls for ships of 2,000 tons burthen. Your memorialists were soon persuaded that with steamers of this size they could never compete successfully with the improvements and increase of the British line; and they determined to augment their bulk to about 3,000 tons. The enterprise was commenced by an incorporated company, who were the assignees of the original contractors. Of the stock but $1,100,000 was subscribed, and the difference between that and $2,500,000, the entire amount which has been expended, has been made up, with the exception of the Government advance of $385,000, mainly by the directors of the company. Any portion of this stock may be obtained at par by any one who is disposed to purchase it. Your memorialists have little expectation of deriving pecuniary advantages from this contract, even with the solicited alterations. They are merely anxious that it should be put upon grounds which will enable them to meet the extraordinary efforts of the British steamers and the British Government and people, with an efficient and successful competition. The question has assumed a national interest. If it is understood that the American line will be sustained by the American 5 Government, to the extent necessary to place it on an equal footing with the British steamers, your memorialists have no doubt that, on this route, to which all the energies of Great Britain, commercial and governmental, have been directed, they will be able to achieve a complete triumph. If this aid is withheld, there is no doubt that British capital and experience, backed by the assistance of the Government, will outstrip all American competition. Your memorialists have said that they have not entered upon this enterprise with the mere expectation of pecuniary advantages. They now declare that, if their petition should be granted by the Government, they will, at any time within six months after the passage of the act which they solicit, surrender their contract, with all its incidents and advantages, to the Secretary of the Navy, or to any individuals that may be indicated by him, on the repayment to them of the actual disbursements that have accrued in its execution. They desire merely that the monopoly which has hitherto been enjoyed may be wrested from our commercial rivals, and that the supremacy upon the ocean, which will result to the most efficient steam-marine of the world, may be at least shared with Great Britain by the United States. They believe that on this ground they will not appeal to the American Governinent in vain, but that all the necessary legislative aid for the accomplishment of this most desirable object will be readily granted by the representatives of the American people. 6 AMERICAN VIEWS. FrouT the Washington Republic, February 11. THE SUPREMACY OF THE SEAS. We observe that Mr. YUL.E presented a few days since, in the Sonate, the memorial of the contractors for the New York and Liverpool mail steam line, praying for some modification of their contract, with additional aid from the Government, to enable them to compete successfully with the British steamers. It is to be inferred from the memorial that, under the present arrangements, the American line cannot be sustained. The question to be solved is, whether or not the end in view is of sufficient importance to induce the extension of further assistance. In consequence of our progress in the art of navigation, we had, a few years since, established between Europe and America the finest line of sailing packets that had ever crossed the ocean. Such was their reputation for safety and speed, that they very nearly engrossed the trade between the two continents; and especially between the United States and British islands. The CUNARD line of steamers was established for the purpose of wresting from us this material source of wealth and prosperity. So important was the object, that the British government endowed the enterprise with an immense outlay of capital, amounting, with subsequent grants, to nearly a million of dollars annually. The experiment proved highly successful. The vessels were excellent, and conducted with exceeding judgment and skill. For a period of ten years only a single vessel was lost, arid the arrivals and departures attained nearly the exactitude of land conveyances. The inevitable results were, that the letter carriage, yielding thousands of dollars annually, with the transportation of bullion, passengers, and the finer and costlier kinds of merchandise, were almost wholly engrossed by the CUNARD line. Thus, not only was a large item of our best commerce taken from us, but the high road of travel and matl communication with the old world was transferred to the hands of our rivals. At the same time it was obvious that the two countries had changed positions-the Americans had lost their ascendancy, and yielded it to Great Britain. The American, or Collins' line of mail steamers was established with a view to reverse this state of things; to recover the commerce which we had created, but which had been thus forced from us; to restore it to its natural and legitimate channels, and, in short, to assert and maintain American ascendancy where it had befole existed. The enterprise attracted great attention on both sides of the Atlantic, and especially in England, where it soon became a theme of national interest and inquiry. When the American steamers got under way, anti demonstrated not only our capacity to excel in beauty of model, but to contend successfully in the raee of speed, the people of the three kingdoms seemed to start as from a profound lethargy, and to cry out that the sceptre of the seas was in danger of being wrested from the accustomed grasp of Britannia. From this time the British press teemed with articles calculated to excite the fears and rouse the pride of the nation to meet what they deemed an important crisis. The beauty, speed, and success of the American craft generally, were portrayed in vivid colors; in some cases they were even exaggerated, as a means of straining the national spirit up to the emergency. The columns of the London Times, Chronicle, News, &c., either lightened with omnious.prophecy,or thundered with disastrous fulfilment. Many of these articles have been spread before the American public. We quote from another paper devoted to maritime affairs, and therefore a high and technical authority on this subject-the London Nautical Standard, January 4-for the purpose of showing, in precise terms, the train of British thought, feeling, and policy, developed by.the competition of the American line of Atlantic steamers. It may be well to premise that the editorial motto of this paper is as follows: "' Whosoever commands the Sea, commands the Trade of the World; whosoever conmands the trade of the World, commands the Treasures of the World, and consequently the World itself." It is through such spectacles that the British people read such passages as the following: "Many times has our voice been raised, as a warning to our commercial men, to put their house in order, and not wait until it be too late. We saw coming events casting their shadows before them, and predicted that their supineness would, if not aroused in time, be their ruin. We put before them facts which were, from time to time, submitted to our consideration, not, as it has been said, with the view to frighten them, but only and solely to awaken them to their real position. C" A people, born as it were yesterday, has, from its own origin and intuitive powers,already succeeded in seizing a large share in the trade of the world, and, if left to itself, would in a short time have monopolized the whole commercial transatlantic shipping connexions between the old and new continents. Our warnings have been heard at the eleventh hour. We are glad and rejoice sincerely that it is so; it is not too late yet. It will now depend on the measures to be adopted if England will maintain that preponderance she has so long enjoyed, or if she will sink from the first rank in naval nations to play a secondary part.' Now that the spirit of the British race secms to arouse from its slumbers-now that security has proved to be a snare covered with fine appearances, but deceitful and delusive to the highest degree; now that we have seen what could be done by energetic perseverance, what other nations can do, we awake to the sense of the danger that surrounds us, and wonder that we have been so long before perceiving our true situation. The whole commercial transactions of the States could not, by 8 any stretch, provide for more than half the present tonnage afloat, or actually building. The manifest intention is to trade abroad and to supersede other nations in the carriage of goods, to give employment to seamen, and to create by that means a mercantile navy, which, in case of war, might immediately produce a powerful manned navy,for aggressive purposes on the foreign and colonial possessions of European States. "But if, as we anticipate, the English nation, now awakening from her dreams of security, sees her former supremacy perilled by her long undisturbed indolence; if Englishmen, now seeing their true position and the encroachments made on their trade, resolving to shake off the trammels of old traditions or prejudices, set fairly and heartily to work; not only we do not despair of a successful issue, but, on the contrary, we predict to them a complete restoration of those high privileges which they were once wont to consider their rights." Here, then, is a glimpse at the mighty rivalry which has been excited, and is now openly avowed on the other side of the Atlantic. It is perhaps as keenly felt here, though not so vauntingly expressed. It is pushed by British writers quite beyond commercial competition to the question of armed supremacy upon the sea; and the traditional jealously and hereditary pride of England is'excited by intimations that the Americans cherish the audacious scheme of usurping her birthright as legitimate Queen of the ocean It is of a competition thus national, and thus existing between the two great maritime powers of the earth, that the American steamers have come to be considered, in some sense, the pivot or the hinge. It was in the track of this line that England supposed she possessed high advantages, being more accustomed to the turbulent waters of the north Atlantic; more trained to battle with its tempestuous seasons; and especially more familiar with the rocky and foggy coasts at the eastern extremity of the line. It was here, also, that the British govornment had bestowed its largest and most effective pecuniary aid. It was well reasoned that, if the Americans could beat here, they could beat anywhere or everywhere. Hence the intense interest with which the rival lines on this route are regarded. The American steamers, upon their arrival in England, have been the subjects of the most careful and critical examination. Every trip they have made has been registered, timed, scrutinized, and compared, with anxious exactitude. The decision is still pending, and the issue of the conflict is likely to depend upon the course adopted by our Government in relation to the memorial already alluded to. If the American line shall be forced to abandon their enterprise, the rich commerce wrested from our packets by the CUNARD line will be continued in British hands. Nor will this be the end. Most of what remains on this route will also be taken away, and English merchants will reap, at our expense, the benefits of the business naturally developed under the auspices of an improved navigation. Our mails, our Government despatches, and the best means of intercourse, will be in 9 their hands, under circumstances at all times humiliating, and, in case of national excitement or collision, of serious inconvenience or mischief. This American Atlantic line has been viewed in this country as destined to be the beginning link in a grand chain of communication. extending through this country to California, and thence to Asia. The importance of such a line, in a national point of view, cannot be overrated. But if the Atlantic portion shall fail, the basis of this entire enterprise is annihilated. What has happened upon the Atlantic is likely to take place on the Pacific; and we shall doubtless see the richest commerce, between California and the eastern coast of Asia, engrossed by some British Cunard-triumphing by aid of government patronage over the best efforts of American enterprise. Nor are the effects likely to stop here; it is quite evident that the far-sighted British merchants and politicians do not intend it shall stop here. If the American line is crushed, the British are the victors before the world. What a moral effect must this have to discourage our commerce, and to stimulate that of the British Must it not drive capital, courage, and enterprise from one to the other? And let it be remembered, this is not a common case of mere private competition. The government purse of Great Britain is pledged to its support; and with this mighty power added to their triumph. will not an ascendancy be gained by them which years cannot recover? It is quite evident that these things are profoundly pondered by British statesmen; and we cannot doubt that the cloud now hanging over the American line is looked to as the very threshold of that era in which they are to enter upon the success they contemplate and covet. We believe, indeed, that they calculate upon the inaction of Congress, and deem this ani assurance of our failure and their success. It is not possible to measure the effect of such British triumph upon our navigation, generally. Our steamers to Bremen and Havre, already threatened by low and losing fares from the CUNARD line, may speedily find direct British competition in the field. A race will be run for the ascendancy in the boundless trade of the Pacific now opening before the world-not on this side, in the Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico alone-but along the whole length of the western coast of our continent. Since the opening of the California mines, from Oregon to Valparaiso, a quickening impulse has been imparted to commerce. The Sandwich Islands have acquired new importance; Central America has become the theatre of gigantic schemes, for connecting two oceans, hitherto kept asunder by the landmarks of the Almighty. Peru has been awakened from its slumber of centuries, and Chili has suddenly sprung into the active area of commercial competition. A flourishing trade, with its vivifying influence, has been called into existence along a coast-line of three thousand miles, by our people and our enterprise. It belongs to us to hold the mastery of this traffic, not only that we may reap its harvest, but that we may impart to the countries with which it is connected our political and social sympathies. Yet British 2 1o0 competition is certain to meet us here; and it is a question whether we are to contend with a people who have mastered us upon the Atlantic, and who, therefore, bring to the struggle upon the Pacific the conscious power and energy of conquerors. Such are some of the public considerations which are forced upon the mind by the possibility that the American line of steamers may be compelled to surrender. It is impossible to consider it as a mere question of individual capital and priyate enterprise. Both Britain and the United States have made the competing lines, to some extent, national, by direct government patronage; the vessels of both are, contingently, government ships, and that, too, for naval purposes. Even if we treat the American line as a private interest, and refuse to sustain it on that ground, we leave it to be overborne by the national purse and policy of Great Britain, and in a contest which involves our own national interests to the extent of uncounted millions. To these general views it may be well to add a few particular facts as to the American line. Within the short compass of three years, this company has built and put into operation four steamships, of an aggregate burden of 11,000 tons. The vessels are acknowledged to be the finest models that ever floated. Their passages are among the shortest ever known. They have met with neither hindrance nor delay, except in the winter passages; here, a want of experience has caused some irregularities, which are, however, now provided against. One vessel is missing, and her fate being unknown, she cannot be made the basis of calculation here. It may be said, in general, that the American line has at least demonstrated our capacity to sustain a successful and triumphant competition with the British line, and thus to maintain the credit of our navigation before the world. In the progress of this enterprise the American company have met with unexpected difficulties. It has been necessary to construct machinery, and to devise, make, or import tools of larger dimensions and more massive form than existed in the country before; all of which may hereafter be useful,if not essential,in the event of war. The qualities of the various kinds of iron have been tested and the best ascertained; thus enabling future machinists to construct engines that may be relied upon for the severest ocean service. They have, as above suggested, acquired by experience a knowledge of the peculiar difficulties of winter steam navigation upon the north Atlantic, and ascertained the means of countervailing them. They have thus, at great expense, made extensive experiments, and largely advanced the knowledge and means essential to success in steam navigation. Other difficulties have been experienced which are more annoying. "The contest," says the Philadelphia North American, "is not a fair one, and, so far as the steamships are concerned, the rivalry is conducted on the side of the British on such principles, and with a resort to such expedients to secure the advantage, as show the importance attached by them to the struggle, and their determination to be victors at every hazard and at any cost. In a commercial aspect, the rivalry has been pursued by them in a pitiful, hiucksterinwg spirit, which has infected the press, the public, thle very Governtmrient, as well as those directly irnerested in th-e British shiips. A great many sly means have been used to prejudice tihe character of the Amnerican ships by the circulation of unfounded trumors of defective machinery, accidents, &c.; the post office authorities threw, as long as they decently could, the weight of their official influence against tile American ships; and the imnmeliate managers of the Ernglish lines have always been ready with the smal l device of redutced freights to drive away shippers." A few days since. in an article on this subject, we nade statemenls analagous to these. They were qliestloned by the Albiotn, a British colonial gazette, published at New York,.and one relating to the unfairness of tile British press was somnewh at fatly denied. We didl nu)t allude to open statements; for we were fully aware that, in general, the American steamers have been praised by the London papers. We had in view such in$idious paragraphs as the following from tilhe Liverpool journal of October 12::" Te Atl!antic i.s lndrtr examination at INews Yorkc, and the Arctic is to take ther place." Both statements were utterly without foundation, and could only have been the work of invenltion; the sinister irnmort is too obvious to leave a doubt on the subject. If the New'York Albion will consult i!s Liverpool namesake for the last six months, we are assured it will find abundance of silmilar statements and rumors, fully bearing out our assertions. The Latin quotation of the Albion, with its context, importing that the misfortunes of tile Collins' line tlad drawn us into an':ebullition of spite," were too natural and national to provoke a reply. The material parts of our article are confirmed by thre above extract from the North Anzerican, and, indeed, by the small criticinms of the Albion itself; for slrely it would not have confined itself to fishing for mninnows, if more substantial sport had been at hand. VWe have been drawn into a much more extended notice of this sub.l ject than we intended. We cannrot conclude, however, without observing, that it seenms to us that a more inopportune occasion could hardly be selected than the present for resting upon any half-way and inadequate measures of colnpetition. Nothing is more apparent than that wise policy, and the feeling of the people dlemand a national spirit, tone, and action on tihe part of the Government. No State document ever received a more hearty response from the people than Mr. WBerSTER.S late letter to the Austrian minister; and we believe that thle enCouragement of no branch of national interest on the part of Congress would be more heartily approved throughout the country, than that which aims at our mrritine independence of Great Britain. lOur past experience and past history have taught us all to regard this as linked alike with individual prosperity and national power, peace, and renown. From the Phliladelphia Lo\rth American. THE EMPIRE OF THE SEAS. The rapid growth of the American steam marine-the indications furnished by at least the summer passages of the New York steamships across tile Atlantic-in connexion with the proof, seen in the well known voyage of the Otiental from Hong Kong to London, of the superiority of American over British sailing vessels, have produced no little alarm among the patriots of the fast-anchored isle, who dread the transference of the empire of the seas, so long maintained by England against the world, to the hands of their enterprising cousins of the new world. It is very certain that a struggle for commercial supremacy is going, and has long been going, on between the two countries; and it is, perhaps, also certain that the victory would be speedily acquired by American energies over British pride and British capital, were those energies properly fostered by Government, and not exposed to suffer. as they do, from the continual discouragements of an unfriendly anrid unnatural revenue system. The contest is not a fair one; and, so far as the steamships are concerned, the rivalry is conducted on the side of the British on such principles, and with a resort to such expedients to secure the advantage, as.,ohow the importance attached by them to the struggle, and their deter-:minition to be victors at every hazard and at any cost. In a commercial aspect, the rivalry has been pursued by them in a pitiful, luckstering spirit, which has infected the press, the public, the very Govern-.ment, as well as those directly interested in the British ships. A great:many sly mneans have been used to prejudice the character of the American ships by the circulation of unfounded rumors of defective machinery, accidents, &c.; the post office authorities threw, as long as they decently could, the weight of their official influence against the American ships; and the immediate managers of the English lines have always been ready with the small device of reduced freights to drive away shippers. The following extract from a speech by Mr. Butler King, of Georgia, delivered in the House of Representatives as far back as July 19, 1848, will be remembered as showing that this latter game was resorted to, at that early period, against the first American steamer which visited Liverpool: "' In the discussions which have been occasioned by the appropriations to meet the contracts for this mail service, it has been argued that it is quite unnecessary for the Government to contribute in any degree to sustain it; that private enterprise, if left untramnmelled' by Government schemes and legal enactments,' would sustain itself against all foreign competition. To show the fallacy of this reasoning, it is only necessary to state a few facts connected with the recent voyage of the steamer'United States' to Liverpool. The price of freight from Liverpool to New York, as established by the Cunard line, is A7 sterling per ton, and the price of passage.2230 per head. While the United States was in the dock at Liveipool, the agents of the Cunard line, to 13 prevent freight and passengers going in her, reduced the price of freight to X4 per ton by the'Hibernia,' and to S?2 Is. by the'Niagara,' and they offered to take passengers as low as _412 per head. c" It was announced at the same time, in Harnden's Liverpool circular, that the old rates would be resumed inlmediately after the departure of the American ship. The British line, sustained by the Government, was enabled to adopt this course with impunity in competition with a ship sustained by individual enterprise alone; and it must, I suppose, be admitted that our citizens, if not aided in undertakings of this sort by their own Government, would be quite incapable of competing for any length of time with so powerful an opposition. This being the case, it must be apparent to any one who will investigate the subject that, in a very short time, the most valuable portion of our carrying trade would pass into the bottoms of these British mail packets." The more recent case of the Franklin will not be forgotten, where the similar artifice was attempted-to the honor of the French shippers, without any success-of offering to take freight from Havre to New Y.ork at ten dollars a ton, against the thirty dollars or upwards, the regular rates, asked by the owners of the Franklitl. In our efforts to place American steam navigation on a safe footing, we shall, doubtless, have to contend with thlis sort of policy, and with all the interested prejudices of our English rivals-who have the merit of sticking by each other in every contest, even when justice is not altogether on their side-until we have overcome both, as we shall ultirnately do. In the mean while, the moral that lies at the bottom of the controversy should not be overlooked. In the British view, national safety is interwoven with the idea of marine supremacy. Every steam packet now built in England is a steanm-frigate added to the British navy. Every American steam packet should be regarded as a similar addition to the American navy. Every thing should be done by us to stimulate the increase of American stearn ships, and to direct their construction so as to render them capable of being employed, whenever necessary, as arms of the national defence. From the TWashinrgton Republic. THE SUPPLY OF FUEL TO THIE COLLINS LINE OF STEAMERS. Owing to the concurrence of two of the steamers of the Collins line recently running short of coal, and the painful anxiety which is felt respecting the absence of a third, rumors prejudicial to the owners and managers of the line have crept into circulation. We find in the New York Herald a communication from an engineer, which corrects some of these erroneous reports, and furnishes some explanation of the reasons which caused the Baltic and Arctic to put into Provincetown and Halifax to replenish their fuel. We presume that every American feels a proper pride in the reputation which our steamers have acquired for speed, and 14 a solicitude that their management should also be unexcelled. Renewed efforts were necessary to win us tahe palin for the one, and untiring energy and diligence will assuredly ntever be wanting to secure us the meed for the other. It is only those who fail to lrofit 33a' experience wlho are justly censurable for neglect. hAone of the Collins line of steamers, we are informed, have ever put to sea without an abundant supply of coal; but that supply has proved insuflicient in two instances, from a misapprehension wvhich could only be corrected by long observation and scientific inquiry. This misapprehension was in largely increasing the fuel on encountering a gale, the reverse of which, it appears, is the proper practice, and that which is pursued by the British steamers. Sir Edward Belcher, of the British royal navy, has communicated the fact that, when steamers are heading a gale, it is necessarv to check the draft in order to preserve or increase the heat, because experience, he says, has demonstrated that the immnnense volume of cold air which is pouired into thie furnaces at such a time, with an open draft, though it increases tilhe combustion of the coal, yet chills the gases,and prevents the generation of an amount of heat vwhich could be obtained firom a more moderate fire with the draft partially cut off. Moreover, it is ascertained that in certain cases even an increased physical momentum of the vessel is a positive disadvantage, inasmuch as by it the vessel is driven with such force, when descending a wave into the recurring wave, that her average speed is gteatly' diminished. sWe have no doubt the Collins line will be prompt to avail itself of these and other valuable suggestions which are derived from experience; while, at the same time, it is plain that the owner and directors should be exculpated from all criminal intent or indifference in the matter referred to. WVe subjoin the communication of the Herald: " The Collins line of steamers.-The late passages of these steamers being su6h as to induce, wit'l thie public at large, impressions unfavorable to the capacities of these vessels for western passages in the winter season, it is but justice to Mr. Collins, to the directors of this line, and to the American public, wlho have manifested so much interest and satisfaction in tile hlitherto performances of the pioneers of this line, that they should be set aright as to the cause which has led'to the late interruptions in the homeward trips of the' Baltic' and'Arctic.''" All of the vessels of this line consume fuel, p|ro rala for the power of their engines, in a less quantity than any marine steamers yet constructed in any country; and they also have capacity for the stowage of it, commensurate with their consumption, in a proportion greater than has ever yet been attained or allotted to a steamer for a like length of route. Their deficiency, then, has not arisen fromn the causes that have cornpelled other Liverpool or European steamers in western passages to put into Halifax, viz., undue' consumption and insufficient capacity; but it has arisen friom an undue estimate of the severity and difliculties of wnestern passages at this season, and too much preference being given to fi-eight; added to whicat there was an error in the manner of working 15 the furnaces of the Balbic, which was not discovered until the consumption of coal had been such as to compel her to put in for a supply. Probably the same error has been fallen into with the management of the boilers of the Arctic. " There is another difficulty that these steamers, in common with all American steamers, are subjected to, and that is, the inexperience of their firemen. The importance of this point is one that cannot be appreciated by the public; but it is one pregnant with more loss of time and waste of fuel than I dare venture to assert with any confidence of its general credit. It has been said, and with truth, too, by those connected with the Cunard line,' Give us your vessels and we will beat you a day;' and they might have added, and save ten tons of coal per day. " Of the capacities of these vessels I am as cognizant as an intimate knowledge of the mechanical details of all of them, and a witness of the performance at sea (and in heavy weather, too) of one of them, can make me, and I have the fullest conviction of their unsurpassed qualities in speed and endurance. The recurrence of the error which has led to the Baltic and Arctic running short of fuel has already been guarded against, and they will assume and maintain the position they have the elements for, and which is one that will meet the fullest wishes of the country which has produced them. " Of the Atlantic, a knowledge of her capacities as a sea boat, and of her endurance as a structure, induces the opinion that, having become short of fuel, or her engines, probably her wheels, having failed her, she had been compelled to put back when near to this coast, and had not arrived in season to communicate with the Arctic, prior to the sailing of this vessel on the 11th instant. If, however, neither of these causes has led to her non-arrival here, the failure is not frorm weakness, or insufficient sea-going qualities, but is one arising from causes not confined to this line, or American steam navigation. {c ENGINEER." Prom the Washington Republic, January 28. THE COLLINS AND CUNARD LINES. From the commencement of CUNARD'S line, as every body knows, it was favored by our whole country. New York and Boston vied with each other, at the very outset, in offering it, civilities and facilities. When the first of the line arrived at Boston, the occasion was celebrated by high festivities, in which the city authorities and leading men of the State participated. The officers were feted and feasted, and CUNARD himself became the hero of the day. From that time to this the American feeling toward the CUNRAD line has been generous-not to say magnanimous. For the first five or six years a series of untoward accidents occurred,crippling several of the vessels, and delaying or inter 16 ing their passages. One of them-the Columbia-was lost on her way' from Boston to Halifax, and the large number of passengers escaped a watery grave, almost by miracle. But in all these cases no spirit of hypercriticism was manifested here; on the contrary, excuse and apology overlooked every accident, and explained away every failure. When COLLINS'S line commenced operations this state of things still continued, the rivalry being regarded here mainly as to its tendency to improve steam navigation. If our national pride led us to wish for the triumph of the American steamers, every man in the country would have looked with disdain upon any attempt, on our part, to gain an advantage not due to superiority in skill, courage, or energy. But how has this liberal spirit been met in England? It is now well known that a series of tricks has been resorted to there, for the purpose of:cutting off the patronage of the COLLINS steamers, and diverting it to the Royal Mail line. This is done by false statements in the newspapers, and injurious rumors spread over the country in various ways. Some months since, when the passengers were about to set out from Paris for Liverpool, to embark in the Pacific, a story, utterly without foundation, was put in circulation, that she had broken her bed-plate. The passengers, deceived by this story, of course waited a few days, and took their departure in the CUNARD steamer, which followed. Insidious statements, of a similiar kind, have frequently been set afloat at the critical moments when the American vessels were about to depart; and we are informed that some of these have been traced to interested parties. That such is their origin, the times at which they appear, and the system with they are propagated, leave little room to doubt. The general feeling of local interest, and the national prejudice in England, give these rumors an abiding, not to say fatal, effect. Well knowing that the reputation of a ship, in which men risk their lives and their property, is of the most delicate character, and may be ruined by the lightest breath of rumor, the operators in this case have found it both convenient and easy to poison the railways and thoroughfares of England with their slanders. A gentleman interested in the COLLINS line, travelling in England a short time since, was told by an intelligent stranger whom he met in one of the cars, that the American steamers were built of green timber, and were already falling to pietces. Another gentleman, being lately in London, was kindly and gratuitously advised by a bank clerk-a total stranger-not to take passage in any American steamer, as they were universally considered unsafe! Such is a specimen of the artifices now practised in England against the COLLINS steamers. The Bremen and Havre lines have been less the objects of this species of warfare, because they are less direct competitors of the CUNARD ships. Yet, as the Franklin was recently taking in her freight at Havre, in order to strike a fatal blow at her success, the CUNARD line announced that they would take freight from that port to New York for ten dollars a ton, which was about one-third of ehafair rate. This was done while the shippers from Liverpool were 17 held to the ordinary prices of thirty or thirty.five dollars a ton. We rejoice to say that the agents of the Franklin disdained to enter into this corrupting competition, and even the shippers at Havre scorned the bribe. The Franklin came with a full freight, at regular prices, leaving the CvNARD line fully exposed before the world, as to the spirit with which it is conducted, and that too without even the solace of success. We note these facts, not for the purpose of provoking retaliation in kind, for we hope and trust the Americans will never descend to this unworthy species of warfare. We notice it only to keep our countrymen apprised of the character of those with whom we have to deal in the impending competition, and, indeed, in every competition with British agents. Though we have no doubt of the final issue of this rivalry in steam navigation, we conceive it proper to make a few suggestions, which may moderate our expectations of immediate supremacy. It must be remembered, that, from the beginning, steam navigation was mainly employed by us upon our rivers. These, hundreds or thousands of miles in length, traversing the very depths of the country, naturally became the theatre of our first triumphs in this noble discovery. It was glory enough that we were able to convert these into the great thoroughfares of travel and trade, ere yet the old world was fully awake to the new era which had begun. Our steamboats, thus confined to shallow waters and influenced by the spirit of the country, soon became subject to a keen competition for speed. The swiftest boat was, of course, deemed the best. All the genius of our artisans was bent to this species of excellence, and accordingly we soon led the world in the celerity of our steamers. Our boats, in their very models, suggested by their length and lightness the predominant purpose of their construction. The arrow in its flight, or the outstretched swan skimming the wave, were favorite images associated with our steamers, and gave name to some of the most popular and successful boats. It is true, indeed, that our river navigation-at first a matter of thrift and convenience-speedily became also a matter of luxury. While sailing up or down the Hudson, the Ohio, or the Mississippi, some of the finest scenery in the world was added to the advantage of unrivalled speed in the passage. Thus by degrees our steamers were converted into floating palaces, with the sumptuous decorations of architecture, and the gustful allurements of the table. All this, however, was rather incidental, the main idea of excelling in speed still continuing to prevail. It was just the reverse in Great Britain. Here the most renowned rivers are but little larger than our mill-streams. Her steamers were to traverse the turbulent waters, which never cease to foam and thunder around her rocky coasts. It was from the very beginning a battle of might with might —of human will and strength against the wonted a astery of the deep. It was not, as in the old navigation, a contest in which the wind was seduced into coquetry with the sea-the trick of 18 the rudder teaching the ship to glide over and avoid, rather than meet, the shock of the waves. A new power, dug by man's arm from the bowels of the earth, and linked with iron by man's invention, was to impel the vessel in the very teeth of the wind, and against the very breast of the embattled billows. It was a strife worthy of the descendants of the Sea-Kings of other days. In a superstitious age of theworld it would have been' regarded as an impious waging of war upon the gods. How would these things have rung in the sonorous numbers of the Father of Poetry? Yet such was Britain's apprenticeship in steam navigation. While the motto of our steamers was go ahead, her's was of necessity go sure. And thus for five and twenty years the people of the British islands have been trained in one set of ideas regarding steam navigation, and we in another; and what is specially pertinent to the purpose of this article, for this period of time, she has been establishing foundries, erect. ing ship-yards, building engines, and rearing practical engineers, exactly suited to meet us, and perhaps defeat us, in the contest which has now begun, as to superiority in one line of ocean steam navigation. Nor is this superior experience, in navigating the turbulent waters of the northern seas, the only advantage in the hands of our rivals. Her immense mineral resources, especially her inexhaustible beds of iron and coal, lying contiguous to each other, and near to navigable waters, with the low price of labor by which these are made cheap and abundant at any required port, place a power in her hands decisive of a contest which is not met and sustained by corresponding or countervailing advantages, added to indomitable perseverance. And to all this we must add, that John Buil's long and heavy purse is put at the disposal of our British competito rs. As the haughty Brennus, while Rome hesitated about the golden ransom she was to pay, put his sword in the scale, exclaiming, "wo to the conquered;" so Britain casts the might of her money into the issue. The government aid given by England to the CUNARD line is twice or thrice that bestowed by Congress upon the COLLINS steamers; and to what she has given she stands ready to add more. The applicants need not go to Parliament; it is only necessary to satisfy the Board of Trade to insure additional millions for this object. An English gentleman, recently discussing the subject, adduced this fact as insuring the final triumph of the CUNARD line, particularly as he counted upon the supposed reluctance of an American Congress to grant money to this and kindred objects! Yet, fully appreciating all these advantages on the side of the British steamers, we have no fear as to the result. In river steamers we surpass all other nations; in ocean steam navigation, in the milder latitudes, we are also without a rival. No oiliher ships can compare with our lines to the south, to the Gulf of Mexico, and from Panama to San Francisco. In summer navigation of the northern Atlantic, Collins' line is at least equal to Cunard's; if there be an advantage it is on our side. We now speak only of speed; in comfort to passengers, in taste and general ar 19 rangement, we have an admitted superiority. In the winter navigation —the only point in which our inferiority can be pretended-two of COLLINS' line have run short of coal, owing doubtless to a want of experience as to the use of it on the part of the engineers. For the first eight years the CUNARD line stopped at Halifax, and always took in coal, which is only what these two ships have done, each in one instance. Even such accidents will not be likely to occur, after this experience. We lhave little space in which to consider the aspect which this question of superiority in steani navigation bears upon the prospects of our own country and Great Britain. Of the six hundred ships of war forming the present British navy, about one hundred are steamers, bearing the titles of Adder, Avenger, Basilisk, Bloodhound, Bulldog, Firebrand, Fury, Goliah, Spitfire, Terrible, Viper, Vixen, Volcano, &c. To this euphoneous list must be added her mail steamers. Such a force is doubtless sufficient to master the other navies of Europe; and thus, if Amnerica were out of the way, Britannia might still assert and sing her dominion of the waves.'That in this condition of things John Bull is chewing the cud of bitter fancies there can be no doubt. We regret to see, in the British press, a train of ideas and suggestions which, if indulged, may again crimson the ocean with the blood of the two kindred nations. The time is past when mankind will endure the idea of an iron Gibraltar steaming over the world, and making every flag that flies the play thing of Britain's iron will. This notion of supremacy of the seas-of triumph on the one hand and humiliation on the other-should never go beyond commercial rivalry. And it should be the effort of all good men to divest this, as far as possible, of any embittering tendency. Yet it is certain, that by the manner in which this subject is discussed by leading papers in England, that statesmen there are looking beyond commercial superiority to their ancient maritime dominion; and it is equally clear, that in the greedy pursuit of this object, the people of England are returning evil for good toward this country, in respect to the existing competition. The British steamers to our own ports have met with universal favor; our steamers to British ports have been the objects, and to some extent the victims, of conspiracies, to which the press have been, in certain instances, a party! V'These are but a small portion of the articles which have appeared in the American papers, on this subject, concurring in and enforcing these views. It may be added here, that it appears from parliamentary documents, that the CUNARD line now returns to the British Government, in, the proceeds of the mails, the full amount of the sum advanced to them, which is about S185,000 annually. Thus it operates only as a loan. Were the American Liverpool line so far encouraged by our Government as to put it on a level with the other American lines, it is believed the operation would be the same as above stated in respect to the CUNARD line; that is, the product of the mails would probably restore to the Government the full amount of its advances. BRITISH VIEWS. FProm the London Daily News, October 11. THE SUPREMACY OF THE SEAS-COLLINS AND CUNARD. Racing is the great passion of the Englishman. Horse-racing, boatracing, foot-racing, donkey-racing; no kind of racing comes amiss to him. Wherever the Englishman goes he must have his races. There are regular boat-races at the Cook's strait settlements, in New-Zeland, and there is a race-course at Sierra Leone. A race is even now "coming off," on which England has a stake of terrible magnitude. We allude to that race of an indefinite number of heats, now running on the Atlantic, by CUNARD'S and COLLINS' ocean steamers. The stake is neither more nor less than the ascendancy on the seas. We use the word not in a silly and obsolete sense of those who used to dream of any one nation asserting by force of arms a mastery in maritime affairs over all other nations. Henceforth there can be no sovereign nation; the great community of nations is and must continue a republic. But even in republics there are individuals who possess more wealth, more power than others. England is still the first citizen of the community of nations; the flag of England is still the foremost on the ocean. If England loses the Cunard and Collins race, it will be an event of bad omen for her maritime pre-eminence. French pageants at Cherbourg, Russian demonstrations on the Baltic, can only alarm old women in and out of petticoats. Pre-eminence at sea must belong to the nation which possesses the most numerous and best appointed mercantile marine, and the most important branch of the country's mercantile marine will ere long be its ocean steamers. If it be true that an American steamer has beaten our fastest and finest vessels on an Atlantic voyage, it is high time that we had a more searching inquiry into the state of our ocean steam'communication than was vouchsafed by Mr. Henley's committee. According to the New York accounts, the American ocean steamer Pacific made her last voyage from Liverpool to New York in 10 days 43 hours from wharf to wharf. We suspect the time was a little longer. A writer in yesterday's Times states, that the Pacific left Liverpool at 2 p. m. on the 11th September. The New York papers state that it reached that city at 5h. 45m. p. m. on the 21st ult. Add 4h. 45m. for the difference of the time occasioned by difference of longitude, and we have 10 days 84 hours for the length of the passage. The English ocean steamer Asia is said to have made her last homneward voyage in 10 days 7 hours. Allowance must, however, be made for the greater speed with which, owing to the set of the currents, the voyage from America to England is accomplished, than the voyage fromn England to America. The Asia's outward voyage to New York was accomplished in 10 days 11 hours 36 minutes, mean steaming time. From this, we are told, must be deducted 5 hours for the detour by A.1 Halifax. But this allowance is in excess; the increased distance is not the only element to be considered; the less resistance from oceanic currents on the Halifax route ought also to be taken into account. On the whole we are disposed to admit that the Pacific, not the Asia, has made the quickest passage yet made between Liverpool and New York. It is, however, a neck and neck affair. In July last the American ocean steamer Atlantic made the voyage from New York to Liverpool in ten days, eight hours, twenty minutes, only one hour twenty minutes in excess of the time taken by the Asia. We are anxious to state the facts correctly, for there is an evident and not unnatural straining on the part both of English and Americans to mnake out the best case for their respective steamers. Even on the assumption that the victory is still doubtful, the result cannot be very gratifying to onr national pride. CUNARD'S company have had ten years' practice; the first experiment in Atlantic steam navigation, on the part of the Americans, was made last year by the New York and Bremen steamers. The Pacific and Atlantic are the first steamers launched by the COLLINS' company. Yet one of these trial ships, if it have not beaten, has equalled the matured production of CUNARD'S company. Is there any thing in the history of our ocean steam navigation that can account for this? Some ten years back, Government unable or unwilling to carry the mails across the Atlantic, granted a contract to Mr. Samuel Cunard, which that fortunate gentleman is understood to have sold at a great premium to a Glasgow company for the conveyance by steam-vessels of her Majesty's mails between Liverpool, Halifax, and Boston. In 1846 this contract was renewed for ten years from the 1st of January, 184S; and, in expectation of the Alnerican competition which has since arisen, leave was given to omit Halifax,and make the voyage direct from Liverpool to N ew York. Both the original contract and its extension were given without any competition. The owners of the Great Western and other steam-vessels, who had risked their money in establishing the practicability of making the Atlantic voyage, were unceremoniously brushed aside, and the contractor has had a virtual monopoly of the steam conmmunication between the United States and this country for the last ten years. For this service the country pays 140,0001. per annum. Following the example of the English government, the United States granted in 1S48, to a New York company, a contract for carrying the mails to Liverpool; and their two first vessels, the Atlantic and Pacific, made their appearance this year, to be followed next spring by the Arctic and the Baltic. The CUNARD company, thus put on their mettle, constructed the Asia and the Africa, which were also placed on the station this year. The result of the contest, as far as it has been carried, is stated above. " We are ten years before you in ship-building," said a Yankee skipper, the other day; " and ten yeais behind you in machinery; in five years more we will be ahead of you in both." To prove JONATHSAN wrong we shall have to get up some competition at home, and not wait 22 to be taught the old lesson that there is no such thing in nature as an improving monopoly. Cunard's Company commenced with vessels of 1,100 tons, and engines of 3.50 horse-power. They have, step by step, reached 2,300 tons and 900 horse-power. But tile size and power are the only things changed; the model has remained thle same. The Asia, of 2,300 tons, is an enlarged edition of the Britannia of 1,100 tons, and goes bowling down the Mersey, carrying a sea before her enough to swamp a revenue cruiser. The American steamers are of larger tonnage and less power than the Asia and Africa, but of exquisite model. They are " ten years ahead" of the Asia and Africa, as far as the hulls are concerned, and as far behind in the engines. They slip down the Mersev with scarce a ripple at the bow, dividing the wrater like a Gravesend steamer. In accommodation, ventilation, and general arrangemlent, the American vessels are far superior to anything that has been before seen in this countly. It will doubtless be said that we attach too rnuch importance to the success of our transatlantic cousins. We shall be told that "one swallow does not make a summer; one extraordinary passage is not a fair criterion."' We shall be advised to wait for a twelvemonth before we give an opinion. In spite, however, of these and other wise saws that may be poured out, we confess that to us the voyages of the Atlantic and the Pacific look like "'the handwriting on the wall" to our rulers, which it behooves them to lay to heart. Prom the London Atheneuma, Ja. 4. THE GREAT NATIONAL CONTEST. In an age like this, when the real rivalries and contests of nations are carried on, not so much by regiments and frigates, as by means of the shuttle, the railway, and the steamboat —it is curious and important to note the progress of different countries in those practical arts and sciences which more immediately promote these friendly national contests. European statesmen have all watched with wonder, and not a few of them with alarm, the tremendous accession of power which the rapid development of railways, telegraphs, and steam navigation in the United States has given to the people of North America, an accession of political and material influence in the affairs of the world, which seems to stand in almost startling disproportion to the mere weight of the masses of population. The Brazils, by nature far richer than the northern States in all the raw materials of power, have no more voice in determining the direction of great historical events than a petty Gerinan or Italian principality. Belcgiurm, covered with railways, anp aotted withl manufactories, has already more active influence in Europe than the once powerful and magnificent kingdom of Spain. Science multiplies the resources of nations in an extraordinary degree; and older games of anmbition are so far gone out of modern fashion, that statesmen, with the true instincts of the future about them, care less and less about drilling regiments, and more and more about promoting science. The trials of strength in this noble contest lie at present chiefly between the two great divisions of the Anglo-Saxon race. England, by insular position, and America by her geographical retnoteness, stand tolerably free from the wear of intellect and waste of material means which are daily seen in the political struggles of continental Europe; and they are, as regards each other, therefore, on equal and fair terms of competition. With the shuttle England might be conquered, even while her hearts of oak defied the world. A French army on the coast of Devonshire or Kent might prove a passing evil; but a combination of natural and mechanical advantages secured to the workshops of the United States, would be utter and irretrievable ruin. Thus far, the shuttle of Manchester beats the shuttle of Lowell; hitherto, the steam vessel of Liverpool has outsped that of New York. But the forces are so nearly matched as to lead all the charm of an uncertain issue to the struggle. Especially is this the case with the ocean steamers. In river, lake, and coast navigation, America has long carried away the palm of victory. The boats on the Rhine, the Elbe, the Clyde, the Thames, and the Scheldt, are not for a moment to be compared with the "floating palaces" on the Hudson, the Delaware, and the Potomac, either for rate of sailing or for miagnificence of fitting up. We have been credibly told of vessels steaming down the Mississippi at the rate of twenty-five miles an hour! But in ocean navigation, longer practice and equal enterprise still keep us slightly ahead of our energetic descendants. We are proud of our rivals-as they are proud of our rivalry. To the general reader at home, it is next to impossible to convey an adequate idea of the interest which the contests between the English and American mails excite in Boston, New York, and Philadelphia. Each run is carefully noted and compared; fears are excited, hopes raised, by every voyage; and half a dozen hours in the length of a trip of three thousand miles is thought a considerable variation. The struggle for mastery at this moment lies between the English mail Asia and the American mail Atlantic; and the recent voyage of the Asia was the quickest ever yet performed. This passage from New York to Liverpool was made in ten days four hours and five minutes, being four hours and fifteen minutes less than the best voyage eastward made by the Atlantic. The New Yorkers are building still more powerful vessels for this line of service. The prize is a great one. The fleetest vessels must carry out letters, orders, news, Government despatches; and, having the prestige of scientific excellence and success, will generally command a choice of the passenger traffic. In this rivalry the Americans possess a great advantage over us, in being less fettered in their action by Government jobbing and monopoly. From the Halifax (N. S.) Chronicle. THE UNITED STATES MAIL STEAMEE ARCTIC. This magnificent ocean steamship arrived in our harbor yesterday morning, after a very boisterous passage of thirteen days from the Mersey. She left Liverpool on the 11th inst., with thirty-five passengers, a large and valuable freight, and had on board when starting about one thousand tons of coal. The captain finding the supply of fuel decreasing rapidly, very prudently bore up for this port. This adds one more to the thousand and one proofs of the desirableness of making Halifax harbor, if not a terminus, at least an intermediate packet station. In common with many other citizens, we had the pleasure of visiting this, really splendid ship yesterday. We are happy to bear testimony to the civility and attention extended by the Arctic's officers to all who enjoyed the privilege. Nothing can possibly surpass the magnificence of this the first of the Collins line, that has yet paid us a visit. So many descriptions of these vessels have already been published, by those infinitely more competent than us, that any recapitulation would be altogether superfluous. Every thing on board, including the mammoth engines, is in the most perfect order. The interior arrangements of the Arctic far, very far, surpass in elegance any thing of the kind previously seen in Halifax. SPEECH OF TER HON. J, W. ILLE R OF NEW JERSEY, A-MERICAN MAIL STEAMERS. DELIVERED IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STA-TES, APRIL 22, 1852. "That striking simile of Elngland's military power,' the roll of her drum is heard from the rising to the setting of, the sun,' will be changed. War and conquest will give way to pecte and com - oeice, and the ringa of the ocean steamer's bell will be heard on every sea, and -along every coast, bell pealinhg to bell, ihe world round." WA~SH ING TON: PRINTED BY J$OHN T. TOWE RS. 1852. S PEEC I OF THE HON. J. W. MILLER, OF NEW JERSEY, iN FAVOR OF SUSTAINING THE COLLINS LINE OF AMERICAN MAIL STEAMERS. IDLIVERED IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES, APRIL 22, 18652. WASHINGTON: PRINTED BY JNO. T. TOWERS, 1852. SPEECH. The Senate resumed the consideration of the bill to supply deficiencies in the appropriations for Ihe service of the fiscal year ending June 30, 1852. The following amendment being under consideration: "For additional compensation for increasing the transportation of the United States mail between New York and Liverpool, in the Collins line of steamers, to twenty-six trips per annum, at such times as shall be directed by the Postmaster General, and in conformtty to his last annual report to Congress, and his letter of the fifteenth of November last to Secretary of the Navy, commencing said increased service on the first of January, eighteen hundred and fifty two, at the rate of thirty-three thousand dollars per trip, in lieu of the present allowance, the sum of two hundred and thirty-six thousand five hundred dollars." Mr. MILLER said: Mr. President, I was one of the majority of the Committee on Finance which agreed to report this amendment. The subject had been recommended to Congress by the head of one of the departments, and a general estimate made, which was produced before the committee by the honorable Senator from California, (Mr. GWIN.) The question presented by the amendment I considered to be one of very high importance to the country; in which not only the parties to this contract, but many of' the great interests of the country are concerned. In the year 1849, a contract was entered into by this Government, through the Navy Department, with Mr. Collins and others, to build a certain number of mail ocean steamers, giving a description of their general power and capicity, and specifying the purposes for which they were to be used. By that contract the steamers were to perform twenty trips a year-that is, monthly trips during four months of the year, and semi-monthly trips during eight months of the year; and for which service he was to receive the sum of $385,000. The objects which the, Government and Congress had in view in entering into this contract were of a national character. They were, in the first place, to secure the speedy and cheap transportation of letters to and from this country to Europe. In the second place, the Government desired to have built ocean steamers of sufficient power and capacity that they might, in case of an emergency, be employed by the Government in war. Other collateral and public objects were taken into consideration-such as the transportation of' passengers, of light articles of freight, and specie-which at that time were under the control of English steamers. These were the objects which induced Congress to pass the law authorizing the contract. 4 Now, Mr. President, I intend to show, in the remarks which I shall make on this occasion, that all these national objects have been accomplished; that Collins & Co. have built four ocean steamers of great power and superior speed; that they are transporting the foreign mails in less time than was ever accomplished before; that the Government may at any time, in case of an emergency, command the service of four of the most splendid steamers that were ever built, surpassing in speed, in power, and in tonnage any ships of the kind now afloat; that by means of the establishment of the American line we now successfully compete with and even surpass in speed its great English rival, the Cunard line; that the American people now enjoy all those great advantages which were contemplated by Congress at the time the contract was made, and that every obligation on the part of the contractors has been faithfully performed by them. But, sir, in performing this great enterprise, so advantageous to the country, the contractors have sustained great losses. They state their loss during the last year to be $338,574-in other words, that in every trip which they performed during the last year they lost $16,928 79. Sometime during the last autumn, the Cunard line of steamers having been ordered up to weekly service the year round, the Postmaster General deemed it his duty to direct Mr. Collins to increase the trips of his line from twenty to twentysix per year, and to commence on the first of January last, with assurances of additional compensation to be made by Congress. This arrangement appears by the letters of the Postmaster General and the Secretary of the Navy, which I will read: POST OFFICE DEPARTMENT, November 15, 1851. Sia: By their contract, the proprietors of the Collins line of steamers between New York and Liverpool, as you are aware, are required to perform only twenty voyages per annum —that is, monthly trips during four months, and semi monthly trips eight months, of each year. In alternating, as at present, with the steamers of the Cunard line, we are informed by Mr. Collins that, by the first of January next, his steamers will have made seventeen trips-leaving only three voyages to be performed from the 1st January to the 27th April, the end of the contract year. The Cunard line has now been ordered up to weekly service the year round; and deeming it highly important, therefore, that the trips on the Collins line should be increased from twenty to twenty-six a year, I have already given Mr. Collins the assurance that if he shall see fit to run the necessary additional trips, to alternate, as at present, with the British lines through the year, and will look to Congress for compensation, I will recommend to Congress the allowance of pro rata or such additional pay therefor as shall be considered fair and proper under the circumstances. It cannot be doubted that it is for the interest of the United States to afford such aid to the Collins line as will enable it to compete successfully with the British lines running in connexion therewith; and I beg leave to call your attention to the subject, in the hope that you will unite with me in such reconimendation to Congress as will secure the increase of the service of the Collins line from twenty to twentysix trips a year as a permanent arrangement. I have the honor to be, very respectfully, your obedient servant, N. K. HALL, Hon. W, A. GRAHAM, Secretary of the Navy, Postmaster General. NAVY DEPARTMENT, NIovember 28, 1851. Sta: Your letter of the 25th instant, in relation to further mail service for your steamers between New York and Liverpool, has been received. You are informed, in reply, that this department concurs with the Postmaster General in his requirements of additional service by the mail steamers from New York to Liverpool, as expressed by him in his letter to this department, of which you have been furnished with a copy. You will, therefore, be pleased to furnish a schedule of the days of sailing of the Liverpool mail steamers of your line at as early a day as practicable. The subject relating to compensation will be referred by the Postmaster General for the consideration of Congress. I am, very respectfully, your obedient servant, WM. A. GRAHAM. EDWARD K. COLLINS, Esq., and associates, New York. The Postmaster General, in his annual report, also expressly refers to this subject, and recommends that an appropriation be made. I will read part of what he says: " The contract with the Collins line of mail steamers between New York and Liverpool requires the performance of but twenty trips out and back during the year. For the purpose, however, of arranging weekly trips in American steamers, alternating with those of the Cunard steamers, which depart weekly from this country and England, these steamers have made departures each alternate week, and have thus completed a weekly line of American steamers from New York. If these trips are continued as heretofore, there will have been performed in the present year three more trips than are provided for in the contract, and to continue the weekly trips thereafter will require additional trips per year. "As the English Government had made new arrangements, by which the weekly trips of the Cunard steamers were to be continued through the year, it was deemed highly important to continue the weekly trips of the American steamers also. Under these circumstances, Mr. Collins was requested to continue his trips every other week, and was assured that the payment by Congress of a pro rata compensation would be recommended. It is claimed by the contractors, and it is believed justly, that a pro rata compensation for these extra trips, in the winter season, will not fully indemnify them; and if the extra trips are performed, it is earnestly reconmmended that a pro rata compensation, with such addition, if any, as may be necessary to give the contractors a fair and liberal compensation for the extra service, be authorized by Congress. The unrivalled qualities and speed of the ships of this line, and the very satisfactory manner in which the service has been performed, establishing the superiority of American skill and enterprise in the construction of ocean steamers and in ocean steam navigation, entitle the proprietors of this line to the most favorable consideration, and I cannot doubt that Congress will make the appropriation recommended." Here is the recommendation from the head of a department which is called for by Senators. There was also an estimate made by the department and submitted to the committee. This estimate was confined to the pro rata allowance mentioned by the Postmaster General. No estimate, of course, could be made by the department for such additional compensation as Congress might think proper to give for the purpose of sustaining this enterprise. I therefore submit that this amendment is not subject to the technical objection made by the Senator from Arkansas, (Mr. BORLAND.) We are not obliged to confine our action to the amount of the estimate. The whole subject is before us. These additional trips were to be performed in the winter, with but few passengers, at an extraordinary expense; therefore a mere pro rata allowance would be no fair compensation. 6 Collins & Co. have submitted a statement showing the great losses which they have sustained in running their ships under the present contract; that statement has been verified by affidavit; and no Senator who is acquainted with the character and high honor of the persons conected with the Collins line would hardly require such a verification of their statements. At all events, the committee were entirely satisfied that these losses have been sustained; and I think 1 can satisfy the Senate that unless the company receives this additional compensation from the government the enterprise must fail. I will now state to the Senate what will be the additional compensation proposed by the amendment. Under the original contract, they were to perform twenty trips a year, and receive for them $385,000, or $19,250 per trip. The six additional trips per year, under a pro rata allowance, would be $115,500-making for the year's service the sum of $500,500, under the present contract. The ammendment proposes to give them at the rate of $33,000 per trip for twenty-six trips, making $858,000 a year. This increases the compensation on the fifty-two trips $357,500, or $13,750 on each trip; but from this increase should be deducted the additional costs of running winter trips. In the statement of losses to which I have referred, there is given the cost of these ships, the actual average cost of every voyage. and the amount of capital invested. The cash cost of the steamers ready for sea is stated at $2,948,000-a little less than $300,000,000. The actual average cost of each voyage to England and back is stated at $65,215 64; the average receipts for each voyage at $48,286 85 -making a deficiency of $16,928 70 on each voyage; which, for twenty trips, would amount to $338,575 80, and on twentysix trips $440,148. The Senate will perceive by this statement that the amount proposed by the amendment falls a few thousand dollars short of the loss which may be sustained upon the twenty-six trips to be run under the new arrangement. I now wish to call the attention of the Senate to what I consider to have been the causes of these great losses sustained by the company. It has been asserted that they are owing to extravagance; that the ships are larger and more splended and costly than the company were bound to build by the contract. It is true that these ships are of a superior character in style, size, and power to those contemplated by the contract; but ought we to complain of that? The company may, in their laudable ambition to surpass their foreign rival, have expended more money than was required by their contract; but surely we ought not to take advantage of this, and object to their doing more for the success of this great enterprise than they were bound by law to do. But, sir, the most of these losses arose from other causes-from circum stances over which they had no control. One great cause of extra expenditure on the part of the company was owing to the fact that the enterprise was an entirely new one in this country-so new that when they commenced building their first ship it was found that the machinery and tools necessary for the construction of their powerful engines were not to be found in the country. These implements of construction had to be either procured from England, or made here at great expense; and large sums of money were necessarily expended in experiments upon this preliminary machinery required in the construction of the ships. But that is not the principal cause of their losses. By the contract, Collins & Co. were not bound to build ships of the size and power of those they have constructed. They might have merely followed in the wake of the Cunard line, taken their ships as models, and imitate them in size and model, and been contented with their speed. But they felt, as every American citizen felt, that this was a great undertakingthat it was a national contest —and, in competing with Great Britain upon this subject of ocean mail steamers, they desired to produce to the country and to the world steamers a little superior to those built by Great Britain, and with which she then commanded the trade of the world. In accomplishing that they have made great sacrifices; but they have, by so doing, put afloat ships far superior to those of the Cunard line in power and speed. For this they have expended large sums of money, and sustained great losses upon their capital. Another cause why they have lost money is, that the moment their ships were put afloat, they met with a active competion in England, backed by the influence of the English Government. It was not a mere struggle between Mr. Collins and Mr. Cunard. It was not a mere struggle between the enterprise of an American citizen and a subject of Queen Victoria, standing upon their individual capital, talent, and enterprise. No, sir; it was a contest with the English Government. The moment the Collins line was established, it became a national concern with the people and Government of England to put down the Collins line by extending encouragement to the Cunard line. At the same time, some of the first trips made by our steamers were unfortunate, and immediately the cry was raised in Europe, and especially in Great Britain, that they were not safe-consequently passengers refused to go in them and they made many trips in which they sustained great losses on account of this alarm. It may be true, as stated by the Senator from Virginia, (Mr. HUNTER,) that these gentlemen, under such circumstances, expended more money than they ought to have expended. But yet we all know the feeling which exists in the mind of every American for Brother Jonathan to beat John Bull in any enterprise of this character. Urged, on by that national 8 feeling, and, perhaps, carried to an extravagant extent, these gentlemen may have expended more money than was necessary to fulfil their contract; but surely they are not to be sacrificed on that account. In accounting for the losses sustained by the Collins line, it is necessary also to compare the ships of his line with those of the Cunard line. By this comparison it will appear that this Government is enjoying the service of ships far superior in size, tonnage, power and speed to those of the Cunard line, and at a less compensation upon their relative costs and power of service. I have prepared a comparative statement of the two lines, which I here submit to the Senate: COLLINS STEAMSHIPS. Names. Tonnage. Horse Capable of Length. power. working. 1. Atlantic............................ 3,000 1,000 1,500 274 2. Pacific.......................... 3,000 1,000 1,500 274 3. Baltic.............................. 3,000 1,000 1,500 280 4. Arctic................. 3,000 1,000 1,500 280 12,000 4,000 6,000 Baltic.............. 9 days...... 13 hours...... 0 minutes from Liverpool to New York. Arctic..... "...... 13 "......10 " from New York to Liverpool. CUNARD STEAMSHIPS. Names. Tonnage. Horse Capable of Length. power. working. 1. Africa.............................. 2,266 800 1,000 280 2. America.......................... 1,832 650 800 249 3. Asia............................... 2,266 800 1,000 280 4. Cambia.......................... 1,423 500 700 217 5. Canada..............1.............1,832 650 800 249 6. Europa....................... 1,R32 650 800 249 7. Niagara....................... 1,832 650 800 240 13,282 4,700 5,900 Asia. 10 days......22 hours...... 30 minutes from Liverpool to New York.......... 10. 2 "...... 15 " from New York to Liverpool. Asia............ 10 22......30 " from Liverpool to New York. Baltic......... 9 "....13"...... " Difference... I.1 "..... 9".. 30 " of time. Asia............10"...... 12"...... 15 " from New York to Liverpool. Arctic..... 9..... ".....17...... 10 " " Difference...... 0.....". 5 " of time. These are the principal reasons why this company have sustained the loss mentioned. But what'has been their loss has been the country's gain. While they have been losing $16,000 per trip, we have been gaining great national advantages. I will endeavor to show this. In the first place, great advantages have been accomplished for our commerce generally. In order to illustrate this, we must look back to the commencement of the navigation of the ocean by steamships. England commenced this system in the year 1838. It is true that as far back as 1819 an American ship, called the "Savannah," had gone from New York to Liverpool, partly by sail and partly by steam, in twenty-six days. If the American Government at that time had taken up this new enterprise with the same energy and force with which the English Government afterwards took it up in 1838, we should have had the honor and the glory of being the first to establish successfully the navigation of the ocean by steamers. In 1838 the "Great Britain" was built. She sailed on the 8th of April of that year from Liverpool, with, in the language of the history of that time, "seven adventurous passengers;" and she arrived in New York after a passage of fifteen days. In 1839 the Cunard line was established by a contract made by the British Government with Mr. Cunard, of Halifax, in Nova Scotia, for carrying the mails twice a month from Liverpool via Halifax to Boston, for seven years, for ~65,000, or $325,000. Afterwards the Government increased the compensation to ~85,000, or $425,000-the service to be performed by ships of twelve hundred tons and four hundred and fifty horse power. Upon the establishment of the Collins line in 1849-'50, the English Government again increased the compensation of Mr. Cunard to ~145,000, or 725,000, and not $697,000, as stated by the Senator from Virginia yesterday. Mr. HUNTER. Does the Senator from New Jersey refer to the statement which I made as to what is given by the British Government to the Cunarders? Mr. MILLE It. I do. Mr. HUNTER. Then I would say to the gentleman that that statement was obtained from the Senator from Texas, (Mr. RUSH,) the Chairman of the Committee on the Post Office and Post Roads, from a statement which was put into his hands by the Postmaster General. I received a letter from the Postmaster General requesting me to examine the statement, but somehow it was lost. But this memorandum was given to me by the Senator from Texas, and it is presumed to be the most authenticate account we have of what is given by the British Government to the Cunard steamships. The account was made out, I believe, by the admiralty itself. Mr. MILLER. I know there are different statements in regard to what the English Government now pay to Mr. Cunard. I am informed-and I have confidence in the information-that the compensation is higher than I have stated, and that is now actually over $1,000,000 a year. But I have authority here for the amount which I have stated. It is Cham 10 bers's Papers for the People"-a work of great authority, published in Edinburg in 1851. It contains a chapter on the English ocean mail-routes, giving a full history of the rise, progress, and present state of the English policy upon this important subject. It is full of statistics, which must have been taken from the most authentic sources. I will read to the Senate what is stated to be the compensation received by Mr. Cunard in 1849, and the reason why it was then increased to the sum of ~145,000: " Bat with the exception of the voyage of the Savannah, in 1819, the citizens of the United States had not hitherto taken any part in conducting the steam navigation of the Atlantic; and it was not until after all but Cunard's ships had been withdrawn, that American built steamers began to ply between England aud New York. The formation of several companies for this purpose made Mr. Cuaard anxious to extend his contract, so as to carry the mails once a week, and thus render him more able to meet the expected competition. Mr. Cunard said before a committee of the House of Commons in July, 1849:' I was most anxious to have it (the extention of the contract) done, because I knew the consequences of having these rival lines of packets running against us, and that it would affect the Government more than it would affect us. I could not increase the number of passengers; but the number of letters would be considerably increased, or doubled, bscause if one person writes, the whole must write.' The proposal was agreed to; the mails were to be carried from Liverpool every Saturday, and from Boston or New York every Wednesday, (except during four winter months, when it was to be fortnightly,) arrangements being made by which the detour to Halifax was to be abandoned. To effect this service the vessels must steam altogether about 27'2,800 miles every year, and for it Mr. Cunard was to receive ~145,000 per annum. This is the contract now in force. Mr. Cunard considered not as a new arrangement, but as an extension of the old; and as the service was doubled, and as the postage revenue of the steamers had hitherto been equal to the contract money, he naturally supposed that the payment would now be doubled. But Mr. Goulburn, then Chancellor of the Exchequer, would not give more than ~145,000, which Mr. Cunard said was' a very unjust thing,' and quaintly added-' I beg to say this not with any disrespect to M r. Goulburn: he did it to save the money to the country; but he took ~25,000 a year from me for the good of the country."' This is the last contract that I have any certain information of, although I am informed that the compensation has been increased, in order to pay for the additional trips in vwinter. Mr. Cunard's "quaint" reply to the Chancellor of the Exchequer ought to be noticed. It might, with propriety, be used by Mr. Collins in answer to the Senator from Virginia, (Mr. HUNTER.) Mr. Goulburn, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, acting in pretty much the same capacity in which my friend from Virginia acts, cut down the compensation to ~145,000-on which Mr. Cunard said, he did it to save the money of the country, but he took ~25,000 a year from me for the good of the country." I have shown, therefore, upon what I considered good authority, that the Cunard line is now receiving $725,009 a year, instead of $696,000, or $15,000 a trip, instead of $13,000, as stated yesterday by my friend from Virginia. Mr. BORLAND. I wish to understand fully the authority upon which the Senator from New Jersey relies in this case. I would ask him if all the information on this subject, as far as it relates to the action of the British Government, is.not to I1 be found in the official records of the proceedings of that Government, and whether they are not to be had in this city? I understand that we interchange official records with the British Government, and I apprehend that all their official action in regard to this matter is to be found in these records, which must necessarily be more reliable than a popular publication, made, I do not know whether in this country or in England, and thrown into general circulation-a sort of newspaper publication. I think, in a matter of this importance, involving facts which lie at the bottom of this question, we shall have as authority, official information, which I apprehend our Post Office Department has. and which is probably in the Library of Congress, or in some of the departments of the Government. I would prefer, for that reason, to rely on official authority rather than on this popular publication. Mr. HUNTER. The statement of $696,000 a year, which I derived from the chairman of the Committee on the Post Office and Post Roads, I used because I supposed he had the most authentic information. He derived it fiom that document, to which my attention was directed by the Postmaster General. I confess that I had supposed before that the amount given the Cunard line was about ~140,000 sterling per annum. It would not, however, vary it much if you were to take that amount; for the difference between $725,000 and $696,000 is not very great. Mr. MILLER. I will answer the question of the honorable Senator from Arkansas. I have no knowledge at all of their being any official information in the departments here such as he speaks of. I think there is none. The author I have quoted rmay be relied upon; his statements appear to be taken from the official documents in Great Britain, and if the gentleman will take the trouble of reading the article I think he will be satisfied of its authenticity. Mr. BORLAND. The Senator misunderstood me if he supposed I questioned at all the authority. I simply called attention to the character of the work. I said that I would prefer, in the formation of my opinions, to have official information. The Senator says I would find that it contained a good deal of' authentic information. I might find a great deal of information in it, but surely, taking it as one of what we might call the "fugitive publications" of the day, I should not know, unless it was from an official source, whether the information was authentic or not. That is the point. Mr. MILLER. The Senator asked me a question and I have answered it. The regulation of the Cunard steamers, I understand, is under the control of the admiralty, and are connected somewhat with the war service; these compensations are increased or diminished without having a special law passed by Parliament for the purpose. I also understand that since the Cunard line was ordered up to additional 12 weekly service, during the last year the compensation has been again increased. But as I have no information upon this point other than that which has been stated to me by gentlemen here, I do not rely upon it as a fact in my argument. The keel of the first steamer on the Collins line was laid in 1849, and their first steamer left New York about the beginning of the year 1850. What was the condition of things at that time? I call the attention of the Senate to it for the purpose of showing what has been accomplished since by this line. At that time Great Britain had the monopoly of all the foreign postage to this country. She had also driven off our sailing packets from the carrying of passengers. She had beaten them off in the transportation of all light articles of merchandise, and of specie, and of all transportations across the Atlantic which depend upon time, speed, and certainty. Up to 1840, the American sailing packets had the control of these matters. They had beaten the English packets away from even a competition in the carrying of passengers, specie, and light merchandise. England then resorted to ocean steam navigation. Her Government, finding that her sailing vessels were beaten by the Yankee vessels, resorted to steam, and by a most liberal policy she built up the Cunard line; and such had been the success of this policy that on the day when the keel of the first steamer of the Collins line was laid, England had a complete mastery of the ocean on all these great interests. What has taken place since? It must be recollected that, in the carrying of letters and passengers, speed and certainty are everything. By the establishment of the Collins line we have beaten them upon both of these points. By our line we carry letters and passengers in less time than the Cunard line can carry them. By the accounts of the very last arrival of the steamers, we are informed that, although one of the Cunard line left Liverpool four days before the Collins line, yet the mails of the two steamers were delivered simultaneously at the post office here. This is what the Collins has accomplished in this great race of national steamers. The carrying of light articles of freight and of specie has become a very important matter in our foreign commerce. Before the establishment of the Collins line, it was altogether under the control of the Cunard line. We may now control it ourselves if we will but sustain our own people. We beat England with our sailing-vessels, and we will beat her with our steamships, if this Government will only protect our commerce with the same liberality with which the English Government has protected hers. That is the great question in this case. The English Government and the English people are very wise, and very liberal, too, with regard to the management of their own great interests. They do not accomplish as many 13 magnificent projects as we do; but they have a keener eye to their own interests. We established a line of mail steampackets to Havre and Bremen. They bring freight and passengers from the continent, by way of Havre and Bremen, to New York. Now, what do we find the Cunard line doing? Why, in order to cripple our line, and secure to themselves the monopoly of the carrying trade from the continent, the proprietors of the Cunard line have, I understand, eatablished a line of small steamers, running from Liverpool to Havre, by which they carry, free of charge, all goods from that point to Liverpool intended to be conveyed in their steamers to the United States. This they have done, and are now doing. The very last packet which arrived brought this piece of foreign news. " BELGIUM.-The Belgium papers state that it is the intention of the Cunard line to establish a line of steamers between Antwerp and Liverpool, to connect with the American line." Is it not evident that England is endeavoring to control the passengers, the freight, and the postage from the continent to the United States?-and that, unless we sustain our line of steamers, she will control all these great interests? I desire here to call the attention of the Senate to the effect produced upon the public mind of England by the establishment of the Collins line. I read from the same authority, (Chambers:) " The American steamers that first plied regularly on the American route were the Washington and Hermann, of about two thousand tons burden. They, however, did not depend entirely on the British traffic, but made the port of Bremen, at the mouth of the river Weser, in. Germany, their terminus in Europe, calling at Southampton on their passage up and down the British Channel. The line of vessels that enter into direct competition with Cunard's, was projected by Mr. Collins, of New York, and consisted of five steamers of three thousand tons burden, three hundred feet long, and propelled by engines of one thousand horse power. They are named after the various oceans of the world-the Atlantic, Pacific, Arctic, Baltic, and Adriatic. They are longer and more powerful than any steamer yet built, except the Great Britain, and their competition is not to be treated lightly. The merits of the rival lines will become a national question. "Thus was commenced that rivalry which has made a gigantic race-course of the Atlantic ocean-a race-course so long that the difference in the longitude of its termini makes a difference of nearly five hours in the time of day; and thus, while the people at the American end are rising from their beds, those at the European have got through much of their day's work. The' flying horse Childers,' and other notables of the turf, have done great deeds in their way, but they shrink into utter insignificance compared with the performances of a steamer propelled by a steamer equal to that of a thousand horses, sailing three hundred miles each day, over angry, restless waves, twenty. four, and sometimes forty-three feet high, chasing each other at a distance of about five hundred feet, and at a speed of more than thirty miles an hour. All the prizes of the turf are paltry compared with that for which these steamers are contending-the proud distinction of establishing the most speedy and safe communication between two great continents, and two mighty nations. Hitherto the superiority has not been distinctly declared on either side, nor can any correct judgment be formed until at least a year has elapsed." But what is more important in this case is, to show what has been the result of the establishment of the Collins line upon our interests at home. In the first place, its effect upon our treasury, of which we have heard much: Have we lost 14 money by it? By the statement furnished by the Post Office Department, and laid before the Senate by the Senator from California, it appears that we have not lost a cent, but, on the contrary, gained $58,675 59. That statement shows that the revenue derived by the United States under the operation of the treaty and by the establishment of the Collins line is - - - - $828,675 59 Of which there had been paid to Collins, for his service for two years - - - - 770,000 00 $58,675 59 Or nearly $30,000 per annum into the hands of the Government, over and above what they have paid. I do not pretend that all this postage was derived from letters or newspapers carried by the Collins line. No man can understand the account in that way. But it.is nevertheless true that all this postage, whether received from Cunard's line or Collins's line, has been received in consequence of that policy which established the Collins line. There was no postal treaty made between this Government and Great Britain, until the keel of the first steamer of the Collins line was laid; and we should have had no control whatever of this postage fund had not the Collins line been established and put in competition with the Cunard line. So far, then, as the policy is concerned, and its effect upon the treasury, the Collins line is entitled to the credit for the mony received for postage, against the charge for the money which has been paid for its support. It is true that the amount received during the last year will not cover the amount proposed to be given by this amendment; yet this does not prove that the receipts of the coming year will not be sufficient to cover the appropriation. There is already an increase of postage this year. The increase in the number of trips by both lines will add to the amount. That has been the result heretofore. As the number of trips and speed of the steamers have been increased, the postage receipts have advanced, and therefore, in considering this proposition, we can salely rely that for the coming year there will be a considerable increase of the postal revenue. Heretofore the Collins line performed only monthly trips during the Ninter, and the Cunard semi-monthly. Now, they alternate weekly during the whole year; and although there are not as many passengers in these winter trips, there are just as many, and perhaps more, letters in the winter season. 1 shall not go into the estimate of this obvious increase of postage; but it is manifest that by this great increase of service there -w\ill be a corresponding increase in the postages received during the next year. The Postmaster General states that the increase of trans-Atlantic postages in 1851 over 1850 is $197,439 61. It will be much greater in 1852; so that my friend from Virginia need not be afraid of the treasury being 15 ruined by this appropriation. It must also be recollected that unless we increase the service of our line, we will not be able to divide the postage with our competitors. England gets much the largest proportion of the postage now; but the moment we put our service upon an equality with hers, we shall be entitled to divide the whole postage, and put half of it into our treasury. But the advantage to be derived from maintaining this line is not to be confined to a mere calculation of the amount of postage that may be put into the treasury. There are other considerations of much higher importance. The great route now from England, and from western Europe, to the East Indies, is from Southampton, by way of Gibraltar and Alexandria. But who does not perceive that the time is coming, that it is not far distant, when the great mail-route to the East Indies, not only from New York, but from London and from Paris, will be over the Atlantic, and by either of the Cunard line or of the Collins line, under the control either of the English Government or of the American Government. That presents this important question to the Senate and to the country, whether we shall not at all hazards sustain this line, in order to preserve for our people, and for our Government, the control of that great worlc,'s route which is to pass along the shores of this country, and across the Isthmus of Panama, and thence to the East Indies? The honorable Senator from Virginia said that if this line could not sustain itself, let it go down. The Cunard line will not go down. The great West India mail steam-route of England will not go down. But if our lines alone goes down, what happens? All the communication-the passengers, the letters, and the commerce, passing over the Atlantic, crossing the Isthmus of Panama to the Pacific ocean, and there spreading out to the great East-will be under the complete control of the English Government. But if you sustain the American line of steamers-and if this route turns out, as I believe it will, to be the most direct route, from London, and from Western Europe, to China-our line, having the superiority in speed, and of certainty, will be the grand carrier of letters and of passengers from Europe, through America, to the East Indies. It is stated in the book from which I have already quoted that last year a letter written in the city of New York, passing in the Cunard line to England, and then put on board the steamer at Southampton, thence by way of Alexandria to Suez, reached Hong Kong in fifty-five days. Now, sir, it is reduced to almost a certainty, that a letter written in London, passing with the speed of the Collins line over the Atlantic, and by Panama to the Pacific, will reach the same place in forty days. This route is ours! The great commerce of the world by steam is thus under our control. 16 Yet, the honorable Senator says: Let this line go down; or let it fight its way as best it can under the protection of individual enterprise. As I said before, our people can contend single-handed with any people on the face of the earth; but they cannot contend with the capitalists of Great Britain, backed by the protection of the English Government. They may contend with them for a short time, but the stubborn endurance of John Bull will break down the enterprise even of a Yankee, unless he be also supported by his own Government. Therefore, I say, throwing aside the matter of dollars and cents-whether it costs us a few thousand dollars, more or less-here are national considerations which should induce us to sustain this line. There are also other considerations. By the contract these ships are to be made war steamers; and T intend to show they are war steamers-the best of the kind in the world for certain purposes of war, and that they can, at small expense, be used as such in any emergency. I have here a letter of Commodore Perry on this subject, dated February 18, 1852, and addressed to the Secretary of the Navy. Speaking of these ships-the Collins line-he says: " According to my calculations, the cost of the conversion of either the beforementioned vessels, exclusive of armaments, repair of machinery, &c., would not, or certainly ought not to cost for each steamer over $20,000; and it could readily be done for this at any of our navy-yards. With respect to the description and weight of their respective armaments, I am clearly of the opinion that the first class steamers already named could easily carry four 10-inch Paixhan gulls on pivots-two forward and two aft-of the weight of those in the Mississippi, and ten 8-inch Paixhan guns on the sides; and this armament would not incommode the vessels, and the weight less than the ice, which is usually forty tons, and stowed away in one mass." Commodore Perry continues, that" In the general operations of a maritime war, they could render good service, and especially would they be useful from their great speed as despatch vessels, and for the transportation of troops, always capable of attack and defence, and of overhauling or escaping from an enemy. " The Atlantic, Pacific, Baltic, and Arctic have all been built, inspected, and received by the Navy Department." Commodore Perry adds to this letter a note, and says, " that an ocean steamer of 3,000 tons is of the maximum dimension for safety and efficiency, whether for war or commercial purposes." At the time of the construction of these ships every attention was given to their form, strength, and models by the contractors, under the special direction of the Navy Departmlent. To show that, I will merely refer to the communications upon the subject. They are as follows: E. K. Collins's letter to the Secretary of the Navy, in relation to the side-lever engine, with the Secretary of the Navy's approval. E. K. Collins's letter to the Secretary of the Navy, asking for consent to modify specifications, with the answer of' the 17 Secretary of the Navy that Commodore Skinner, of the Bureau of Construction, had approved of the alteration. E. K. Collins's letter to the Secretary of the Navy, asking for the appointment of a naval constructor and superintendent, with Secretary of the Navy's answer, appointing Capt. S. Skiddy naval constructor. Secretary of the Navy's answer to E. K. Collins, accepting the Arctic, with report of Commodore Perry and Commander Bell to Secretary of the Navy, in reference to the capacity and usefulness of the Arctic for war purposes. UiNITED STATES NAYY-YARD, Philadelphia, April 14, 1852. SiR: In answer to yours of the 13th, I have to state, as chief naval constructor, the specifications for building the Collins line of steamers were submitted to me, and approved, as in accordance with the act of 3d of March, 1847. They can be converted into war steamers to carry a battery equal to our largest steam-frigates, in a short time, and the necessary alterations to be made to receive such a battery will not exceed a cost of $20,000 each. I am, sir, with great respect, your obedient servant, FRANCIS GRICE. To the Hon. WmT. M. GwIN, United States Senate, Washington. It appears by these letters, which are on file in the Navy Department, that the vessels have been constructed with special reference for war service; that naval officers of high character and great experience were not only consulted in their construction, but superintended their building, who all say that they are capable of being used in case of war, at the small expense of about $20,000 each. I submit to the Senate whether this is not a consideration which should induce us to sustain these ships, and to keep them under the control of the Government, to be used in the case of war? No man who has seen these ships-no man who has heard these evidences-can doubt for a moment but that they would be, at this very hour, if war should break out, the most effective steamships now under our control. They may not be as strong as war steamers especially constructed for the purpose. They may not be as powerful as many ships constructed by the English Government; but their great utility would be their speed and their power of action. If we can, by an expenditure of $20,000, put these splendid ships into the war service, that of itself is a sufficient consideration for us to appropriate this money, in order to keep them afloat. We cannot maintain or keep up war steamers of equal power at anything like as cheap a rate as we can these steamers. With regard to the capacity of these ships, and their usefulness in war, my honorable colleague, who has had great experience upon this subject, will, I have no doubt, sustain me in the opinion I have expressed, that these ships will be of great service to the country in time of war. These steamers surpass in speed any vessel which has yet been constructed by the Government, with all the advantages and experience of 18 the navy in the construction of ships. I noticed that the United States steamship San Jacinto arrived at Cadiz on the 25th of March, having left Norfolk on the third of the month. Twenty-two days steaming only thirty-five hundred miles, or one hundred and fifty-nine miles per day. Mr. STOCKTON. That ship was built on an entirely different plan. Mr. MILLER. I intend to compare her speed with the Collins line, and to state that, at this rate of steaming, it it would require nineteen days for the passage from New to Liverpool, instead of nine and a half days. My colleague states, however, that that ship was built upon entirely different principle, and therefore there cannot be any fair comparison betwen them. I have called the attention of the Senate to the speed, the models, and the capacity of these vessels for another purpose, that is to show that this company have, in executing this enterprise, made experiments, secured information, and given models of steamships, with their engines, of great practical value to the public. If we never received a cent of postage we should be fully compensated for the money we have paid by the increased knowledge we have received with regard to the building of ocean steamers. Collins & Co. have, at an immense expense of time and money, rendered all these services to the country, and we have reaped all the advantage of their enterprise. They have sustained all the loss. I say, therefore, that these considerations ought to enter into the minds of Senators when they vote on this proposition. Again: the building and running of these ships have produced to the country a class of practical engineers that it would not have had without this undertaking. It has been a school for our young engineers. These vessels are now every year training up engineers, who are to take charge of our steam ships of war, or to be employed in the commercial marine. Thus the country is acquiring knowledge at the expense of the owners of the Collins line. This, also, ought to be taken into consideration. So great has been the cost, and so perfect the skill in the construction of these ships and of their machinery, that no accident of any moment has happened to them. Mr. HALE. The Atlantic broke her shaft. Mr. MILLER. True; but it was one which was made in England! In advocating the'policy of our Government sustaining these steamers, I wish to call the attention of the Senate and the country to what Great Britain is doing upon this subject of ocean mail-steamers, not only with regard to the Cunard line, but in regard to many other lines. She has established five great routes of ocean mail-steamers. I 19 do not speak now of her inland steam postal arrangements. She has now under contract with the admiralty sixty-three ocean mail steamers, every one of which may be converted into war steamers. The aggregate power of these steamers is twenty-nine thousand six hundred and twenty horse power; their tonnage is sixty-one thousand three and forty-eight; they annually steam one million five hundred and seventyfive thousand miles; and the aggregate amount paid by the Government for mail service performed on these several routes is about $4,000,000. These routes are, first, the Atlantic route from Liverpool to New York; the second is the route to the West Indies and the eastern coast of South America. That route has its depot at St. Thomas, from which point eight branch routes, employing about twenty steamers, are extended to the adjacent islands to the principal cities in Central and South America, and on the Gulf of Mexico. The third route is the great East India line, which sails twice a month fiom Soulhampton, in England, touching at Gibraltar, a-:d then to Alexandria, thence by overland route for a short distance, take steam again at Suez to Calcutta, and Bombay, and China. The fourth is the route by way of the Cape of Good Hope. The fifth is the Pacific route from Valparaiso to Panama. There are several other proposed routes, which I understand have been contracted for, to Australia and other portions of the East. I have prepared tabular statements of these different routes, showing the number of steamers, tonnage, power, and the miles steamed. From Southampton to West Indies and South America. Names of Steamers. Length. Horse power. Tonnage. Avon...................... 216 430 1,881 Clyde....................................... 213 430 1,841 Conway........................................ 186 300 929 Dee.............................. 214 410 1,848 Eagle......................................... 164 250 501 Great Western................................. 207 400 1,467 MIVedway..........................2.............. 212 420 1,666 Reindeer...................................... 15a 260 554 Serein................................. 215 430 1,886 Tay............................................ 214 430 1,858 Tevoit..................................... 214 430 1,793 Thamnes........................................ 215 420 1,676 Trent...................................... 215 420 1,666 The number of miles steamed annually is six hundred and eighty-four thousand eight h indred and sixteen, (684,816) or not less than thirty times the circumference of the globe. The steamships of this company traverse routes twenty-seven degrees north of the tropic of Cancer to Twelve degrees south of the tropic of Capricorn-embracing in their circuit every island of importance in the West Indies, or the west coast of Africa, seaports around!he gulf of Mexico, the great cities of South America, and bestow the blessings of a postal communication for every civilized nation. 20 Horse power. Tonnage. Miles annualIy steamed. Pacific Company from Panama to Val paraiso. This company possesses fi;re steamers, average tonnage..... 995 3,000 110,887 Cape of Good Hope Company-just commenced monthly in vessels not less than (each)......................... 200 80,400 ROUTE TO THE EAST INDIES. 1st. From Falmouth to Gibraltar. 2d. From Gibraltar to Alexandria. 3d. From Suez to Bomb ay. 4th. From Bombay to Calcutta. 5th. From Calcutta to Madras, Ceylon, and China. All of these routes are now formed under one company, called the " Peninsular and Oriental Company." MEDITERRANEAN AND PENINSULAR SERVICE. Names of Steamships. Length. Horse power. Tonnage. Erin....................................... 199 280 797 Euxine.................22.....................222 400 1,165 Ganges.......................................... 237 500 1,200 Iberia....................................... 155 190 515 Jupiter........................................ 158 210 543 Madrid......................................... 163 140 478 Montrose.............................. 166 242 606 Pasha.......................................... 160 210 548 Singapore............................. 237 500 1,200 Sultan........................................ 224 420 1,090 Tagus........................................... 182 286 782 Between Southampton and Alexandria. Hindostan..................................... 217 620 2,017 Indus.208 450 1,782 Ripon..... 231 450 1,925 Between Suez and Calcutta, via Ceylon and Madras. Bentick..................... 217 520 1,974 Haddington....................... 217 450 1,647 Oriental...................................... 220 420 1,787 Precurser...... 229 460 1,817 Between Ceylon and Hong Kong, via Singapore. Achilles..................................... 205 420 992 Braganza....................................... 188 264 855 Lady Mary Wood.160 260 553 Malta............................. 205 460 1,217 Pekin....................................... 214 400 1,182 Pottinger.............. 220 450 1,350 21 Between Hong Kong and Canton. Canton....................................... 172 150 348 All these vessels with their contract with the admiralty, " are to be good, substantial (and tfficient) steam-vessels, of such construction and strength as to be fit and able to carry guns of the largest calibre now used on board of her Majesty's stea m-vessels-of-war." Number of miles steamed annually by this company, three hundred and eightyone thousand nine hundred and sixty, (381,960.) PROPOSED ROUTES BY GREAT BRITAIN. 1st. From Panama (?) across the Pacific to the Gallapalos islands, thence to Sydney. 2d. From Cape of Good Hope, across the Indian ocean, to Western Australia. 3d. From Singapore, via East India islands, to Eastern Australia..Recapitulation.-Number of steamships, 63; horse power, 29,620; tonnage, 61,348; miles steamed, 1,571,063. 1 will also read to the Senate a description of this great Oriental route. Its extent and magnitude are astonishing: "At Suez, at the head of the Red sea, two steamers are in waiting for the passengers and mails conveyed from Alexandria in small steamers up the Nile, and in vans across the desert. One of the steamers at Suez belongs to the East India Company, and has Bombay for its destination; the other is the property of the Oriental Company. The tenth of the month is fixed as the day of departure: and all persons and things having been shipped, the vessels steamed down the Red sea to Adeu, distant from Suez 1,308 miles. Here they part company; the Oriental steamer pursues a course almost due east, across the Indian ocean, to Point de Galle, in the Island of Ceylon-a distance of 2,134 miles. Having exchanged mails with the vessel for China, she steams up the Coromandel coast to Madras, and on to Calcutta, where she arrives in about twenty-eicht days from Suez, after traversing 4,757 miles, and spendinig in stoppages about five days. " The vessel in waiting at Point de Galle, as soon as she receives what the other has brought her, starts eastward, and after traversing 1,286 miles, arrives at Penang, in the peninsular of Malacca; from thence, steaming down between Sumatra and the main land, she arrives at the little island of Singapore, almost nnder the line, and then up the Chinese sea, terrible for its typhoons, to Hong Kong, where the little steamer in No 5 is ready to continue the line of communication to Canton. "The Indian mail which left Southampton in August last, filled 157 chests, each capable of holding 10,000 letters, and at Malta 120 smaller chests were added that had been brought through France. Making allowance for the newspapers contained in these, the number of letters must still have been enormous. All this writing and transmibsion of intelligence necessarily increases trade, and consequently bring additional supplies of articles to this country, the duties on which mnust more than make up the difference between the paynments to the companies and the revenues of the post office. But on the higher considerations than those of mere profit and loss, we have no hesitation in saying that the blessings to the country of these lines of speedy communication would not be purchased dearly if not one farthing of the contract money were returned." "1 The number of miles steamed by the vessels of this company, under contract, is 381,960, and the payment $204,500 per annum. The cornpatty makes an annual dividend of eight per cent. on the capital of about ~1,000,000; and supposing that the same fleet was kept up, and the revenue reduced to that derived froin passangers and merchandise alone, not only could no dividend be paid, but an actual loss sustained every year of more than ~120,000-another striking illustration of a fact already adverted to, that, without a post office contract such schemes of regular and efficient ocean steam navigation could not be maintained." This shows that, although the proprietors of this Oriental line now divide eight per cent. dividend per annum, if the contract under which they carry the mails were taken away, 22 it could not be sustained, but that there would be a loss of ~126,000 per annum. There is no doubt about what is the policy of England. She looks to the great return to her commerce and to her manufactures; and if' not a cent of money is added to her revenue, by means of her postal contracts, yet she would be the gainer by establishing and keeping up these immense lines of steam navigation. These sixty-three ocean steamers, with a tonnage of 61,348, steaming 1,571,000 miles per annum, are under the control of the admiralty, and are capable of being converted, at any time, into war steamers. Now, Senators, look at the policy of England! By her lines of steamers she has surrounded the world. We all remember that striking simile of England's military power, " that the roll of her drum is heard from the rising to the setting of the sun." That figure will be changed. War and conquest will give way to peace and commerce, and the ring of the ocean steamer's bell will be heard on every sea, and along every coast, bell pealing to bell, the world round. With these facts before us —with this mighty demonstration made and making by the English Government for the commerce of the world —are we to stand still and to doubt about keeping up the most important line of war steamers that we have afloat? No, sir. While gentlemen alarm themselves about him they call the Bear of Russia, and are terrified lest he may march an army across Asia-"dragging its slow length along," with all its cumbersome and costly appendages, and thereby control the destinies of the wvorld!-yes, sir, awhile we are dreaming over transcendental ideas about the troddendown nations of' Europe-Engcland is ploughing the oceans from pole to pole with her mighty fleet of' steamers, and sowing the seeds of commerce and of trade from which she will hereafter reap a harvest such as no nation on this earth ever garnered before. That is her policy —it should be ours. It is our mission. It is the mission of commerce to civilize the world. It is commerce, aided by steam, that is to carry those principles of liberty and enterprise which have given to this country its prominence and its glory throughout the world to the other races and nations of mankind. I am for sustaining this policy. I am for keeping up these lines. I am for increasing them. And as soon as a communication is opened between the Atlantic and the Pacific -as soon as the dream of the old Spaniard shall be fully realized-I am for continuing this great route of' steam commercial navigation across the Pacific, and in order to meet England with her great line which passes fiom Southampton to Alexandria, the Indian seas to China. Then the two great nations of the world-of' one blood, decending from the same great stock —will, by means of' the enterprise of' their citizens, protected and defended by their respective Governments, carry commerce and civilization round 23 the world. An honorable Senator suggests that we will have to fight for it. That may be, but I think the fight is going on now. That fight is between Collins and Cunard. The English Government stands by her man. IHe failed once, and broke down; but the Government put him on his feet again. Collins says he is now in the same postion; that he wants a little of the sinews of war-$ 14,000 more per trip-in order to sustain the contest. The question is vwhether this Government will do for him what the English Government did for Cunard-sustain our man in this fight? I much prefer this war of steam and commerce to any other war. No blood will be spilt in it. The "sinews of war" employed are only a little money; and if the Government will only stand by its citizens in the contest, the victory is won. But the honorable Senator from Virginia says that this would be encouraging a monopoly. My object is directly the contrary. We established this line for the purpose of putting down monopoly which England had over our commerce. Let me say to the honorable Senator that, ift' the Collins line goes down or is withdrawn, then there will be a monopoly over which we shall have no control. The English Government -will have the control of the transportation of' every letter and every pound of specie, of passengers, and of most of' the freights from and to Europe. Then, indeed, we shall be subject to a complete monopoly. Again: it is said that if we protect this branch of business, we should protect other branches. Sir, I am willing to sustain every branch of American labor and Amnerican enterprise which needs protection against English capital and English combination. Whenever we find England, by means of Government patronage,,uilding up and protecting h,-r manuf'actures, we should give the like protection to the same kind of manufactures in this country, unless we intend to yield entirely to her. The gentleman referred to the iron manufactures of' the country. I know that they need protection. Every man who has examined their prostrate condition must admit that they require protection at once by some modification of the present tariff law s. While I give my vote for the purpose of prot ecting American enterprise and labor employed in commerce, I am also ready and anxious to give proper protection to the manufhcturers of iron and other manufactures in the country. I go for the principle, andt will stand by one and all of' the great American interests to sustain them against this overbetaring competition of Entgland. Again: it is said that if we grant the favor to New York, other cities will be coming in and asking similar favors. Now, in the first place, I do not consider this is a favor granted to the city of' New York. I look upon it as a national question, in which we are all concerned. I look upon it as a mnatter of' policy for the whole country, and that every city in the 24 Union is as much interested in this policy as New York itself. But if the gentleman will bring forward for any city a case like this, where there is competition between an American and an English line of steamers, I will go for sustaining the American line. For instance, we have now established, or are about to establish, a line from New Orleans to Mexico. If England establishes a line along side of it, I am ready to protect our line against any competition that England may bring against it. But I know of no such case. It is easy to defeat an application of this kind, by saying that if you grant this you may grant others. Wait till they come, and let us judge of every case upon its own merits. It turns out, upon examination of the petitions sent here, that twenty-one cities of this Union have petitioned in favor of this appropriation; and I have not heard of more than one remonstrance against it; and that is from the city of New York. I have not heard the slightest objection to this allowance from any other city of the Union. I have no doubt that there is some opposition to it in the city of New York; but that opposition is confined to a very few. I have thus presented my views with regard to this subject. I have done so at much length, for I consider it to be one of high importance to the country. I must beg pardon of the Senate for having trespassed so long upon its attention. S P E E C H OF IHON. C. T. JAMES, OF RHODE ISLAND, ON THE COLLINS LINE OF STEAMIERS. DELIVERED IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES, MAY 6, 1852. "As an American citizen, I thank Heaven that my country has newelr succumbed to a foreign power. Iler flag still waves in all its glory, and is respected by every civilized nation on earth. Nor wvould I strike our flag of commerce. It has achieved a most important though peaceful victory, and I will not give my vote to have it furled, or struck to any foreign rival." WAS H IN G T ON: I$ ~ PRINTED BY JOHN T. TOWERS. 1852. SPEECH OF HON. C. T. JAMES, OF RHODE ISLAND, ON THE COLLINS LINE OF STEAMERS. DELIVERED IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES, MAY 6, 1852. 40*. "As an American citizen, I thank Heaven that my country has never succumbed to a foreign power, Her flag still waves in all its glory, and is respected by every civilized nation on earth. Nor would I strike our flag of commerce. It has achieved a most important though peaceful victory, and I will not give my vote to have it furled, or struck to any foreign rival." WASHINGTON: PRINXTED BY JNO. T. TOWERS. 1852. SP E ECH. The Senate having under consideration the bill to supply deficiencies in the appropriations for the service of the fiscal year ending June 30, 1852, the pending question being on the amendment proposed by the Committee on Finance, as follows; "For additional compensation for increasing the transportation of the United States mail between New York and Liverpool, in the Collins line of steamers, to twenty-six trips per annum, at such times as shall be directed by the Postmaster General, and in conformity to his last annual report to Congress, and his letter of the fifteenth of November last to the Secretary of the Navy, commencing said increased service on the first of January, eighteen hundred and fifty-two, at the rate of thirty three thousand dollars per trip, in lieu of the present allowance, the sum of two hundred and thirty-six thousand five hundred dollars." Mr. JAMES said: Mr. PRESIDENT, I am fully aware that the Senate has become tired of the discussion of this amendment; and I am tired of it myself, as I believe the people are tired of hearing of it. Nothing would induce me, sir, to lengthen out the debate by taking part in it, but a sense of duty to my constituents, to the people of this country, and to myself as an American citizen. I deem the question one of great importance, not only to individual interests, but, in a national point of view, to the whole American people. It is simply for this reason that I feel a deep interest in the question. Novice as I am, sir, in parliamentary affairs, I cannot expect to cope with honorable Senators of far greater powers and much longer experience, nor yet to add much weight to the arguments already advanced in support of this measure; much less can I hope to bring home conviction to the mind of the honorable Senator from Virginia, to whom I regret to find myself opposed. I hope, however, that powerful and discerning mind will yet discover the error of its ways as regards this important subject; and when that shall occur, I know the honorable Senator's high sense of honor will not withhold an acknowledgment. Mr. President, I do not propose to take up the time of the Senate by attempting a thorough investigation of the subject now before us, with a view to ascertaining the precise num 4 ber of dollars and cents which this Government should advance to enable the Collins line of ocean steamers to compete successfully with their old, skilled, and experienced antagonists of the British Cunard line. I would, however, take a brief, practical, general view of the subject; and however imperfect that view may be, I trust it may be found truthful, if not satisfactory and convincing. I trust, also, that whatever I may say will be national in its character and bearing. The honorable Senator from Virginia, (Mr. HUNTER,) whom I am always pleased to hear on this floor, because, however I may differ from his views on this question, always brings great force and power to his aid on any subject that calls him out, assumed the other day that the amount to be paid by the Government in aid of this enterprise would be so much paid for protection against foreign competition. The honorable gentleman then added, and very properly, too, in my opinion, that there were other interests equally meritorious which stand in as much need of protection as the Collins line of steamers-such as manufactures of iron, woollen, and other articles. I have the pleasure to agree most fully with the honorable gentleman on this point, and can but hope that we may not disagree on a partial remedy for the evils experienced in all these cases. But, Mr. President, the honorable Senator stated, I think, that to extend pecuniary aid to the Collins line of steamers would be protection in its worst form. Whether worst or best, however, sir, it is the only available form. For the Government to discriminate between this line and the British line, by means of custom duties, port charges, &c., would be a direct infraction of treaty stipulations; and hence the only protection we can extend to the American line is pecuniary aid from the national treasury. But as the honorable Senator from Virginia incidentally introduced the subject of protection to manufacturers, it may not be deemed irrelevant should I, in passing, stop to offer a remark or two on that subject as incidental to the question now before us. It is an idea that has long been considered by many as an incontrovertible fact that any aid bestowed by Government on any branch of business, in the form of discriminating duties, or otherwise, is a tax imposed on the consumer, and to be paid by him, in addition to what would otherwise be the cost of the 5 article consumed, and that for the sole benefit of the manufacturer or producer. In other words, that, if the purchaser were to pay a duty of 20 per cent. ad valorem on the article purchased, the domestic and foreign fabric both would be enhanced 20 per cent. in price to the consumer, which addition would become a perpetual tax, and find its way into the pocket of the manufacturer or producer to enhance his profits. No doubt, Mr. President, this idea has been, and is, very honestly entertained and advocated; yet I think it is a mistake, and feel well assured that there are facts in abundance to prove it so. But I am not about to go into the argument on this subject at the present time, and will merely notice one or two facts to illustrate what I have said. It is believed, sir, that all articles of manufacture produced in the United States, iron included, the manufacture of which may be said to have gained a firm footing, and been fostered so as to enable them to compete with similar foreign articles, have continually diminished in price to the present moment, and are to be had at less prices in our own market than in any other market in the world. In fact, the reduction of price in most articles has been more than double the amount of protective duties that have been imposed on similar articles from foreign countries. Certainly this does not look very much like taxing the consumer. It is truly essential to success, and therefore as important to all branches of business, especially manufactures, that skill and practical knowledge should be obtained by long and close application and thorough training in regular practical operations, and as much so as that candidates for office in our army and navy should be trained in our military or naval schools, and in the field or on shipboard be made practically acquainted with the duties of their professions. The evidence of the benefits of such a course of training with the artisan and the operative is to be seen in every city, town, village and hamlet, an] on the person of every citizen, in the astonishing improvements that have been made in every department of the mechanic arts, and the equally astonishing reduction that has been effected in the cost of almost every production. Mr. President, in the very nature of things it is impossible for our mechanics and operatives to compete with those of Europe in those branches in which their mechanical ingenuity has liot been called out and developed. Practice is necessary. We have as good mechanical ability as any country on the globe, and practice, and practice alone, is necessary to its full development. When government grants to that ability protection against foreign competition, it calls it into successful action, and whether in the manufacture of cloth or iron, or the construction and management of steamships, or any thing else, that talent will not fail to return to the government and the country a thousand fold for all the protection thus granted. Permit me, sir, to ask, how is our mechanical talent to be fully developed? How are our artisans, our engineers, and our hosts of others, necessary to the business, to become skilled in the construction of large ocean steamers and their machinery, and in their management, without practice?? Yet, sir, in accordance with the progress of the age, the skill required for this business will become as necessary on the seas as railroads have already become to displace the mail coach and baggage-wagon on the land. I will here introduce a fact to show what difficulties have had to be encountered, and what large expenses incurred, in carrying out such an undertaking as the Collins line. The main shaft of a large ocean steamer —a war steamer, if you please —was to be made: its length some thirty feet, more or less, and its diameter some twenty-four inches. You at once see that that was a huge mass of iron. For such a work we had no furnace of sufficient dimensions and capacity — they were altogether too small for such work. Our hammers were far too light; and our fires, while burning the surface of the metal, scarcely warmed the centre. Our best and ablest forgers were entirely unacquainted with the process of working such a huge mass of metal; and all, sir —all had to learn who undertook to do it-all had to learn by practice. Experiment on experiment failed, and resulted in consequent heavy losses, until, by costly improvements in the means, the artisan, by long and determined perseverance, had learned to perfect his work. Mr. President, permit me to inquire who is to benefited by these experiments, these failures, these losses, this long perseverence, and this final success? The community is, or will be, as much benefited by them as those who achieved the suc cess and paid the cost; and infinitely more so. And the Government-yes, sir, the Government-is, or will be, as much benefited as the community. And, sir, what I have said of this massive shaft is equally applicable to every portion of that huge machine-the marine engine-which propels the mammoth ocean steamer with such mighty speed across the Atlantic, and with which we have beaten the ablest mechanics and the best steamships and steam engines of the old world. And is this nothing to our Government? Is this nothing to the people of the United States? Mr. President, the period is rapidly approaching when canvass will be a scarce article on the ocean, and when our steamers will constitute our navy. Then it will be found that whatever aid our Government may have extended to our merchant steam marine will not have been lost, inasmuch as, by that means, they will have enabled our mechanics and artisans to render invaluable aid, which they would not have been qualified to render without it. Sir, the Government of the United States is emphatically dependent on the community for talent, ingenuity, anti practical skill. They have no schools or other institutions for the purpose of mechanical instruction; and when ship-builders, engineers, or other mechanics are wanted, the Government, like an individual employer, must at all times be compelled to seek them where they are to be had. It is certainly, then, for the interest of the Government to foster those enterprises, by means of which the very talent and skill required for Government purposes may be the most readily developed and most properly disciplined. In what school has been reared and qualified a race of the best seamen in the world, and among them a fair proportion of as bold and skilful navigators as ever trod a quarter-deck on the stormy Atlantic? Sir, that school is our eastern fisheries-a business that has long been fostered by the hand of the Government by the payment of large sums of money in the form of bounty; and these hardy denizens of the ocean have returned four-fold to their Government and their country for every dollar thus bestowed on them. Our great ocean steamers are rare schools for the purpose of turning out firstrate practical seamen, practical navigators, practical mechanics, and practical engineers; and I feel fully assured it is 8 not affirming too much when I say there are no institutions in the United States in which all these professions-except perhaps those of the seaman and the navigator-can be studied to so great advantage, where practical knowledge of a high order can be so readily obtained, or where men can become so well qualified to discharge the duties of those professions, as on board those steamers. And, sir, is this nothing to our Government? —nothing to our country? Is it a matter of trivial importance to have our naval and merchant marine officered and manned by the best seamen, navigators, and engineers in the world? Is it a matter of no moment to this Government and this people to know that they have at their call mechanics who are capable of beating the world in the construction and equipment of ships, either for peace or war? Is it a matter altogether unimportant that, in case of war with a foreign nation, we can fill our ships with men reared in such a school, instead of those picked up here and there, without training, without experience, and without practical knowledge? Sir, I consider the question before the Senate as one that bears directly on this important subject. On its face it is a proposition to aid the Collins line of steamers, but, practically, I look upon it as one in which the Government and the country are deeply interested, for the reasons I have stated. Mr. President, the honorable Senator from Virginia (Mr. HUNTER) has taken the ground that aid is in this instance, called for merely to enable the proprietors of the Collins line of steamers to keep up a ruinous competition with a foreign line, in a trial trip of speed on the ocean; and as the Collins line has not yet been able to sustain itself, he has come to the conclusion that it never can do so. Such being the case, he seems to think that, the sooner the business is given up to the Cunard line, the better. Further: he thinks also that, the business being a losing one, the more of it the Cunard line does, the sooner that line will be ruined. I do not think, sir, that the honorable gentleman, in coming to these conclusions, manifested his usual depth of thought, or clearness and force of argument. Sir, were these conclusions correct, and had a line of conduct been pursued in conformity with them with regard to our manufactures, not a yard of cloth, nor a ton of iron, would have been manufactured in this country. At first, and for a long time, it was a losing business in this country; and, to carry the honorable gentleman's conclusions out, our manufacturers ought to give the entire business to the foreign manufacturers at once, in order to involve them in speedy ruin. Every one acquainted with the history of manufactures in this country well knows that those manufactures-especially that of iron, and that of cotton by machinery-were encouraged by bonuses and exclusive privileges, bestowed by the governments of the several States in which the were situated. Thus early did our ancestors deem it a matter of great public importance to encourage private enterprise for the public good. against foreign competition. But, sir, none of these enterprises were at first able to sustain themselves, even with the legislative patronage they received. One after another they all failed, and retired from the field of competition? And why was this? Simply because in this country the business was an untried experiment. It failed. as experiments, subsequently successful, frequently do at first, for the want of that skill which is to be acquired only by means of experience and practice. Mr. President, suppose our manufacturers had finally adopted the conclusion arrived at by the honorable Senator from Virginia, and because their business had hitherto been a losing one given it up entirely into the hands of the foreign manufacturer, with the view of working his speedy ruin, what would have been the result? The foreign manufacturer would have retained the monopoly. He would have ruled our markets, and he would have exacted and extorted from us prices at least fifty per cent., and in many cases a hundred, above what we are now required to pay. To the fixed determination and indomitable perseverance of our mechanics, operatives, and manufacturers to compete with foreign skill, aided by protective duties, are due the invaluable improvements that have been made in all branches of manufactures, and the great reduction in prices that has taken place. This view of the subject in most of its bearings is equally applicable to the question now before the Senate. In the enterprise of steam navigation on the ocean, Great Britain was many years ahead of us. Her first experiments were partial, and some of them total, failures. So have some of ours been, not excepting even some made by our Govern 10 ment. But by the time we had commenced in the same line of business, it had called to its aid in Great Britain the best scientific skill and knowledge in the world, and their powerful energies have been concentrated on the mighty work before them. After years of trial and toil they succeeded; and it was not till the proprietors of the Collins line had projected their gigantic enterprise that any attempt at all to be compared with that of the British company had been made in America. We had, to be sure, multitudes of steam engines, and fleets of steamboats, and few, very few, steamships; but among the whole there was no one to serve as a model or a guide for the construction and equipment of a steamship such as the object required or the nature of the contract with the Government demanded. Suppose the ships already built, there were no facilities adequate to the construction of their immense engines. All was to be created, sir, at an enormous expense of time, skill, and money-all was created. By long and determined perseverance the mechanical skill and ingenuity were found equal to the emergency. Practically the experiment has proved eminently successful. But so great has been its cost, and so powerful the rivalry, that hitherto it has not rewarded its projectors and proprietors as such a noble enterprise should. In this dilemma, the honorable Senator from Virginia advises those proprietors to relinquish the business to their rivals as the speediest means of bringing ruin on those rivals. We will examine this proposition. Mr. President, to relinquish the Collins line would be precisely what the Cunard line particularly desires. To compel the Collins line to withdraw from its route is precisely what the Cunard line is attempting to do. Such a result once accomplished, and the business becomes a monopoly in the hands of the proprietors of that line. They can then have their own way, regulate prices to suit themselves, and not only sustain their line by means of their business, but enrich their company. To this end, together with a pride of feeling, they have formed the determination that no American line to rival theirs shall traverse the same route. True to this determination, and well knowing that the British Government will sustain them, they have adopted that petty species of competition which has long been practised to an extent injurious to all parties, and ruinous to some, between rival steam 11 boats and stage coaches in this country. In other words, the British line has determined, cost what it may, to drive the Collins line from the ocean. The Collins line, or its proprietors, though strong in wealth, cannot compete with the Lords of the Admiralty, with the British treasury at their command; and the question is, as our neighbors on the other side of the Atlantic seem unwilling that we should run a line of steamers to one of their ports, whether we will or will not do it at any rate. To do it, sir, some further Government aid must be granted for the present. Without such aid, the enterprise must be relinquished, and we must be reduced to an absolute dependence on Great Britain for all the facilities required by the Government and the people of this country by means of steam navigation between our own ports and those of Great Britain. But, sir, the honorable gentleman does not believe it requires the aid asked for to enable the Collins line to go on. I need take up no more time in reply to this point than to say, and which is the fact, that the stock of the company can now be purchased in the market, in any quantity, at a discount of fifty per cent. from par. This simple fact will be, to every man at all acquainted with business, a full and sufficient reply to all argument based on calculation which may be intended to show that this line can continue in operation without the aid which this amendment is intended to afford. In order to show, sir, that the proprietors of this line and the citizens of New York wish for no monopoly, I am authorized to say that one million of dollars of the stock of the company will be sold at par, if wanted, to the citizons of any State in the Union, should this amendment prevail. Mr. President, the honorable Senator from Virginia has characterized this competition as a mere trial of speed on the ocean. Sir, I have shown that it embraces much more than this. But, sir, no doubt this has had much to do with it; and, in my own opinion, the gratification of a high and honorable feeling of national pride is worth something to a Government and a country. Up to the period of the war of 1812 the American people had almost unanimously yielded their assent to the oft-reiterated boast that "Britannia rules the waves." That war afforded some practical data that cast some doubts on the legitimacy of the claim in a naval point of view. Our clipper ships have increased those doubts; and the superior speed of the little yacht America and our Collins steamers 12 over any vessels of their description ever constructed in, Great Britain has set the r-matter at rest. And can it be matter of surprise that the American people, who have been so long, constantly, and bitterly taunted by the English for their supposed inferiority in everything, should manifest some degree of national pride at these demonstrations? Is it not an amiable, patriotic feeling? It is not wonderful then, that they, the people, should expect, and, sir, they will expect, that some aid should be rendered to this line of steamers which, at such a heavy cost, and at so much loss, has achieved the greatest victory, whether of war or peace, that was ever achieved on the ocean-a victory, not of brute force, but of science and skill. Mr. President, I ask if the Government and the country gain nothing by this enterprise? The vast impro\vements introduced by this company into steam machinery for sea-going purposes, and also into the vessels themselves, are invaluable, and worth more, vastly more, to the country than all the aid the company has heretofore received from the Government and that now solicited by them. Certainly such an enterprise does, on the score of the public good, demand some reward for all the sacrifices it has cost. Sir, whether this line of steamers will or will not, with the aid now asked for, be able to sustain itself, is a question which time only can definitely answer. For my own part, I should think it would. The proprietors are good business men; and they, together with those engaged in managing and navigating these ships, will, of course, be learning every day, by means of practice, where improvements can be made and expenditures reduced; and, by a truly business-like and economical line of conduct, I believe the experimelnt will finally be found profitable, as it has most assuredly proved successful as to speed and safety. As an American citizen and an American mechanic, I feel, in common with my fellow-citizens, proud of the Collins line, and hope it may be sustained. Sir, I see no necessity for the apprehension expressed by the honorable gentleman from Virginia, that aid now rendered shall become a precedent for the future action of Congress. Congress will hereafter, as now, should such a question come up, act on the necessity, the justice, or the expediency of the case, without regard to precedent. These ships are partially in the employment of the Government-on them the Government 13 has a lien —and, whenever the exigencies of the case may require, they will be converted exclusively to the Government service. Shall we, then, under such circumstances, withhold the aid required, and thus second the efforts of its foreign competitors to crush the enterprise at once, and thus deprive the Government and the country of the invaluable services of the finest and best line of steamships in the world? Sir, I hope not. It would mortify me, and so it would, I am certain, the great body of our citizens, to witness such a result. Trhe honorable Senator, however, does not seem to look with a great deal of regret on the apprehended failure of the Collins line. Let it go down, he says, and by advertising we can have vessels as fleet as theirs, lor a great deal less money. That the Government, by going into the market, and dickering, as the cant phrase is, with steamship owners, might obtain vessels for less money, is altogether likely; but whether equally fleet, is another question. They do not exist now, neither in this country nor any other. But, sir, the prudent man looks at the quality of an article as well as the price. You may procure vessels at much cheaper rates; but what will be their quality? You will not find those that have been built under the eye of the Government agent, and in accordance with the requirements of a Government contract. They may be good vessels. They may be safe vessels. Who will know, and who is to hazard the trial? Besides, sir, shall we exercise no magnanimity —no justice'r True, sir, the Government has fulfilled the contract to its letter with this company, and paid all that was stipulated-all that was asked. But what then? Will the Government drive a hard bargain with its citizens; and, because they happened to make a miscalculation, compel them either to relinquish their contract, after having made enormous sacrifices in struggles for its fulfillment, or to fulfil it at a sacrifice still greater. I trust not —I trust the Government has mnore magnanimity, more justice, more honor than to suffer such a result. I hope the aid to prevent it will be cheerfully afforded, and that this company will receive the encouragement and support they so richly merit. But, sir, the honorable gentleman from Virginia went still further. He assumed that, in case the aid now asked for was granted, Congress would lie under obligation to extend similar aid, if required, to companies in any and every other port, 14 formed for similar purposes. Sir, I cannot see the force of this argument. My own impression has been that Congress possessed some discretionary powers not exactly limited by precedents. The object in view in this case seems to me to test thoroughly our steam communication with England, the ablest mechanic power in the world, and in which attempt we necessarily come in competition with her own steamships, for the satisfaction and benefit of our whole country. By the result of this trial people in all the ports in our country will be ruled. Those who would wish to engage in this business are as much interested in having this experiment carried out as are the proprietors of this line. Should the experiment fail of success, then, of course it must be abandoned, and others would not be very ambitious to renew it. Should it succeed, no further aid would be required; and thus the people everywhere will learn the result without the further sacrifice of either private or public means. But there is still another important-feature of the case to be considered. Mr. President, can any other company come here under similar circumstances with those connected with the Collins line, and present similar claims? I believe not. The gentlemen constituting this company have invested in their noble steamers the amount of very nearly three millions of dollars. These ships have been regularly run at a continual heavy loss, in the fulfilment of the company's contract with the Government; and without some additional compensation for their services to the Government, their operations must cease, and the immense capital invested be very much impaired, if not lost. I believe it a case without a parallel in this country; and whenever another like it may come up here, it will be time enough to meet it. These facts would be sufficient to justify me in my own mind in voting for the relief asked for in this case; but I have others, if possible, more potent still. I refer, sir, to the contract between the Government and this company. The Government required vessels of great strength and burden, capable of being converted into ships-of-war when required. The mail and passenger service required speed. Hence the company had to secure both objects. The ships are much heavier than would have been required for the mail and passenger service. Therefore they cost more than they world otherwise have done, required much heavier and more powerful engines, and are propelled and navigated at a much 15 heavier expense. All these items combined make up the sum total of the extra expenses for which the appeal is now made to the justice as well as magnanimity of Congress. The proprietors of the line say, and I have no doubt truly, that, in building their vessels so much stronger and heavier than they would otherwise have done in carrying out their contract with the Government, and thereby incurring a greatly increased expense in constructing, equipping, and sailing, they acted in conformity with the wishes and instructions of the Navy Department. All this has been done by them in good faith; and after this, for them, in the face of a ruinous competition by a foreign line, sustained by a foreign Government, to be compelled to run their ships at a tremendous sacrifice to themselves, in the Government service, is, in my view, a flagrant violation of the principles of justice and equity. Mr. President, during the discussion of this amendment, the amount paid per annum, or per trip, by the British Government to the Cunard line, has been stated and spoken of by way of comparison with the amount paid by our own Government to the Collins line. I have also made the statement, the truth of which will appear self-evident, that the cost of construction, equipment, and navigating the steamers of the Collins line had been greatly enhanced by reason of their excess of strength and tonnage over what would have been required for ordinary mail and passenger service alone. And the additional strength and tonnage were given to these vessels to fit them for war vessels. And, sir, I am now prepared to show, from.the statement I hold in my hand, that the amount paid to the Collins line, will not be, all things considered, including what is contemplated in the amendment before the Senate, quite equal to the amount paid to the Cunard line. The Cunard line has seven ships, the aggregate tonnage of which is 12,252 tons. These ships cross the Atlantic eightyfive times per year, or rather what is equivalent to eighty-five trips for one ship. This makes the total tonnage worked across the Atlantic, in the eighty-five trips, 148,750 tons. For this service they receive from the British Government, in round numbers, $856,820-making $5 75 per ton. The Collins line has four ships, of an aggregate of 13,702 tons, which cross the Atlantic fifty-two times per annum, or perform a service equal to fifty-two trips for one vessel. The amount to be paid by this amendment, and what is now paid, is 16 $858,000, or $4 82 per ton, and a fraction less than twenty per cent. below what is paid by the British Government to the Cunard line. I have also a statement to which I desire to advert: "In the London Times of the 10th of March occurs the following statement, which, though part only of it relates directly to the subject under consideration, we give entire for the benefit of such of our commercial readers as may feel an interest in looking over a complete table of the ocean mail service of Great Britain for the coming year: "'The following table. partly compiled from a parliamentary paper, will show the estimate for the post office packet service for the coming year, as compared with that for the twelve months which will terminate on the 5th of April. The increase in the contracts last year was ~98,135, and now we have a further augmentation of ~64,862, caused chiefly by an enlarged allowance to the Cunard line for additional service, the extension of the West India contract to Brazil, and the establishment of new lines to Africa and Australia. On the other hand, there is a diminution of ~4,200 in the expense of Queen's vessels employed; and the increase upon the aggregate total is therefore reduced to ~60,662; Year. To and from — Company. 1852-'3. 1851-'2. Liverpool and Tsle of Man............................. 850 ~850 Holyhead and Kingstown......... City of Dublin........ 25,000 25,000 Abeideen and Lerwick.......................... 900 900 Southampton and Channel Islands.. S. W. Railway........ 4,000 4,000 England and Hamburg, and England and Rotterdam............... General Steam.. 17,000 17,000 Southampton, Vigo, Oporto, Lisbon, Cadiz, and Gibraltar......... Peninsular and Oriental. 20, 500 20, 500 Liverpool and Halifax, and Boston and Liverpool, and New York.... Cunard.............. 71,364 145,000 Halifax, Bermuda, and St. Thomas's, and Halifax and St. John's, Newfoundland.....Cunard............... 14,700 14,600 Southampton and West Indies...... Royal Mail........... 240,000 240,000 Southampton, Brazil, and Buenos Ayres............. Royal Mail........... 30,000 30,000 Callao and Valparaiso............. Pacific.............. 25,000 25,000 Plymouth and Cape of Good Hope.. General Screw.......7. 30, 730, 30,'i 30 England and West Coast of Africa.. Laird............... 11,500 England and Australia............ Australian............ 26,000 England and Alexandria.......... Peninsular and Oriental.1 22, 500 23,000 Alexandria and Beytoot........... Hall, Brothers........ 1,560) 1,560 Suez and Calcutta, ~115,000; less 7-16ths, payable by East India Company, ~51,312.......... Peninsular and Oriental. 64,681 64,688 Ceylon and Hong Kong, ~45,000; less, as above X~19,688.......... Peninsular and Oriental. 25,312 25,312 Bombay, (proportion paid to East India Company)............... East India........... 50,000 50,000 Allowances of Government agents on board the contract packets..........10,683 9,285 ~792,287 ~727,425 Expense of Queen's vessels employ- 792,287 ed in the packet service......... 77,871 82,071 Total expense................................ 870,15: 809,493..........~8 7,18~0,9 17 The Cunard line receives, it will be seen, for 1852. ~171,364 While it received for 1851.. 145,000 Making an increase of... 26,364 Equal to...............$131,820 The amount now received by the Cunard line is $856,820being within less than $2,000 of what is asked for by Mr. Collins. But, Mr. President, the honorable Senator from Virginia has said that these steamers were not fit for war steamers, as he had been informed by naval gentlemen, whose judgment was to be relied on. Well, sir, suppose this statement to be correct, it would weigh nothing in the argument. On the other hand, should these steamers prove the best war vessels in the world, their owners could not claim the credit of it. If they are totally unfit to be incorporated into the navy, it is no fault of theirs. They were built under the directions of persons appointed by the proper authorities to act for the Government. The company furnished the means, and the instructions from the Navy Department were carried out. If, then, the ships were to prove utterly worthless for war purposes, why should we blame their owners, and compel them to suffer the loss? No. 1. NEW YonRK, January 19, 1848. SiR: Having altered the dimensions of the mail steamers to be built by myself and my associates, as per contract dated 1st November last, under a law of Congress passed 3d March last, entitled "An act providing for the building and equipment of four naval steamers," I beg leave to wait on you with a specification for building the same, which I trust will meet your approval; and if so, you will please substitute it for schedule "A," now attached to the contract. Yours, very respectfully, E. K. COLLINS. To Hon. J. Y. MAson, Sec. Navy, Washington. No. 2. NAVY DEPARTMENT, WASHITNGTON, January 26, 1848. SIR: I received a letter dated at New York on the 19th instant, without signature, enclosing a "specification" for the building of the New York and Liverpool mail steamers for E. K. Collins and his associates. This paper being signed by yourself, it is presumed the communication was made by you. The subject has been referred to the Bureau of Construction for opinion, and, upon the recommendation of Commodore Skinner, the dimensions and specifications for building the mail steamers under the act of 3d March last, above referred to, are approved by the department. I am, respectfully, your obedient servant, J. Y. MASON. 18 No. 3. NEW YORK, February 10, 1848. Sin: Your letter of the 26th ult. was duly received. The unsigned letter, therein referred to, I hand you herewith, signed. My specifications for building the steamers, as mentioned in yours of the 26th, having been accepted, I am progressing in their building with as much speed as prudence dictates, watching strictly the interest of the Government and the owners, which interests I think inseparable. I will thank you at an early day to appoint a naval constructor to superintend their construction in conformity to the law. Yours, very respectfully, E. K. COLLINS. To Hon. J. Y. MasoN, Sec. Navy, Washington. No. 4. NAVY DEPARTMENT, February 14, 1848. SIR: Your letter of the 10th instant, with the enclosure, has been received, and Captain Wm. Skiddy, of New York, has been appointed naval constructor for the purpose of superintending the construction of the steamers to be built under the act of Congress of March 3, 1847. I am, respectfully, your obedient servant, J. Y. MASON. To E. K. COLLINS, esq., New York. The contract referred to in the first of these letters contains the following: " That whereas the said Collins and his associates submitted to the Postmaster General, on the sixth of March, Anno Domini eighteen hundred and forty-six, proposals to carry the United States mail between New York and Liverpool twice each month during eight months of the year, and once a month during the other four months, for the sum of three hundred and eighty-five thousand dollars per annum, payable quarter-yearly, and for this purpose proposed to build five steamships of not less than two thousand tons measurement, and of one thousand horse-power each, to be built for great speed, and sufficiently strong for war purposes." Schedule A states the "intended size of said steamships about 3,000 tons." In this connexion I will introduce the following: Abstract of letters written by Commodore Perry and Captain William Skiddy, in reference to the Collins line of steamships, to the Secretaries of the Navy. Commodore Perry, in his letter, dated February 18th, 1852, addressed to the Hon. William A. Graham, Secretary of the Navy, says: "That the following-named Atlantic steamships may be converted, by slight alterations, into war-steamers of the first class-of Collins line, the Atlantic, Pacific, Arctic, and Baltic. "According to my calculations, the cost of the conversion of either of the before mentioned vessels, exclusive of armaments, repair of machinery, &c., would not, or certainly ought not to cost for each steamer over $20,000, and it could readily be done for this at any of our navy yards, With respect to the description and weight of their respective armaments, I am clearly of the opinion that the first class steamers already named could easily carry four ten-inch Paixhan guns on pivots, two forward and two aft, of the weight of those in the Mississippi, and ten 8-inch 19 Paixhan guns on the sides, and this armament would not incommode the vessels and the weight less than the ice, which is usually forty tons, and stowed away in one mass." Cornmodore Perry continues, and says: " That in the general operations of a maritime war, they would rend(er good service, alnd especially would they be useful, from their great speed, as despatch vessels, and for the transportation of troops, always capable of attack and detfence, and of overhauling or escaping from an enemy. "The Atlantic, Pacific, Baltic, and Arctic, have all been built, inspected, and received by the Navy Department." Commodore Perry adds to this letter a note, and says: " That an ocean steamer of 3,000 tons is of the maximum dimensions for safety and efficiency, whether for war or commercial purposes." And this is the precise measurement of the Collins steamships. In another note he says: " That the best practical relative power of engines to tonnage for ocean steamers is one nominal horse power to every three tons of tonnage, custom-house measurement." And this is the precise ratio of power used in the Collins steamships. Commodore Perry, in his letter to the Hon. John Y. Mason, Secretary of the Navy, dated January 30, 1849, says: "In accordance with my instructions from the department, I have carefully examined the vessels (Atlantic and Pacific) at present under construction and equipment, and in comparing them with the precise stipulations, I find some few deviations. The contract of E. K. Collins and his associates is in progress of completion. Two ships (the Atlantic and Pacific) are nearly ready, or quite ready for launching, and their engines and boilers are sufficiently advanced for commencing the work of putting them on board. As the contract with Mr. Collins does not refer to any particular vessel as a guide for a model or manner of construction of his ships, he has availed himself of the best material at command, and of his well known judgment and experience in ship-building, and in producing two very superior sea steamers." Commodore Perry says, according to the statement of Captain William Skiddy, "that the ships are better fastened than was contracted for," and adds: "The several contracts provide that all of these steamers shall be so constructed as to be easily converted into war-steamers, should the government exercise the right of taking them into their public service. " Steamers are more easily armed than sail vessels, inasmuch as they have greater space on deck for pivot guns, possessing as they do greater facilities of motion, and consequent choice of position, and very little time would be required in arming and equipping them for war service." Commodore Perry concludes this official statement as followv's: " The undertaking is one of great magnitude for individual enterprise, and of momentous character to the commercial interests of the country-an undertaking alike creditable to the liberal views of the Government and the public spirit of the contractors, and reflecting honor and credit upon both contracting parties. 20 " They (the steamships) will all have the merit of possessing the great essentials of capacity, buoyancy, and fleetness, and capability of carrying effective armaments; and if taken for their estimated worth at the time of the transfer, the Government will be the gainer, at a period of emergent want for such vessels." Captain William Skiddy writes to " Commodore Perry, general superintending agent for the United States ocean mail steamers," on the 21st of January, 1849, as follows: "I have received your communication of the 18th inst., requesting information respecting the construction and equipment of the United States mail steamers built and building in this port (New York) under my inspection. "Mr. E. K. Collins' specifications and agreements with the G6vernment call for much less than has been executed, such as iron diagonal framing only one way; whereas they are double, crossing each other at right angles, and well bolted to timbers and riveted together; also the filling in amidships has been extended the whole length of the ships, with many other additions. "These ships have great buoyancy, flat broad floors extended well forward and aft, with sharp ends, and are considered beautiful models. They have spacious deck room, and could carry guns of the largest calibre on the gun or middle deck. "' These ships can all, in case of emergency, be converted into fast war steamers. They would by law be received by appraisement on their original cost and their efficiency as to strength and materials; the necessary alteration included would cost the Government much less-perhaps one-half of the amount required to build or purchase for the occasion. " In case of a war, these are the only ships of sufficient strength and size in the United States that could be converted into war steamers." Commodore Perry, April 9, 1850, writes to the Hon. W. B. Preston, Secretary of the Navy, thus: "The models of the ocean mail steamers, built under the recent act of Congress, whether for the navy or mail service, may be considered as excellent. "' Experience has shown that the best general proportions for a war steamer with side-wheels are six times the breadth for the length and two thirds the breadth for the depth." (By a singular coincidence, this is the exact size of the Collins steamships ) " The highest probable speed that can with known machinery be given to commercial steamers of 1,500 tons, and carrying fourteen days fuel, and embracing an aggregate of voyages across the Atlantic, perhaps 10~ knots per hour has been the average. "' The aggregate of voyages across the Atlantic by the Collins steamships show that 12 knots per hour has been the average. " The mail steamers of Howlarnd & Aspinwall, and of E. K. Collins, esq., can be easily converted into war steamers. " These vessels, with little strengthening of the decks, can be made to carry each a few guns of heavy calibre, and may be rendered useful to convoy and in the transportation of troops, &c. The use of steamships in our future naval operations must inevitably change in a great degree the art of naval war." Captain Wm. Skiddy, on the 18th of February, 1852, writes to the Hon. Wm. A. Graham, Secretary of the Navy, thus: " I herewith acknowledge your communication of the 10th instant to Corn. M. C. Perry and myself, relative to the United States mail steamers built under contract with the Navy Department, and others carrying the mails of the United States. " These ships (Atlantic, Pacific, Baltic, and Arctic) are not suitable for immediate war purposes, but can be made efficient in four or six weeks, and the cost of these alterations would not exceed for each ship $15,000 or $20,000. They would then be relieved of about one hundred and fifty tons weight, or nearly double the weight of guns and carriages, and would then have less resistance to water and wind, adding in increase to their already great speed." 21 The Hon. Wm. A. Graham, the present Secretary of the Navy, on the 20th of March, 1852, writes to the Hon. Wm. R. King, President of the Senate, in reply to a resolution for information in relation to contracts for the transportation of the mail by steamships between New York and California, on the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, as follows: "It is respectfully suggested that a limited number of them, (steamships,) employed in time of peace in the transportation of the mails, would be found a most useful resource of the Government on the breaking out of war. " In conformity to the standards required by these contracts, their readiness to be used at the shortest notice, their capacity as transports for goods and munitions of war, and their great celerity of motion, enabling them to overhaul merchantmen, and at the same time to escape cruisers, would render them terrible as guerillas of the ocean, if fitted with such armaments as could be readily put upon them in their present condition." But, sir, what are the properties necessary for a war steamer? Speed is undoubtedly one. In point of speed what other seagoing steamers equal those of the Collins line? None, sir; none. They have beat the world and stand confessed without a rival on the ocean. The want of speed, therefore, cannot be among the supposed delinquencies of these ships. Great strength is another necessary property. Well, sir, I hazard nothing in saying the strength of no ship in the American navy has been so severely tested as the strength of these steamers. In gales of wind, when sailing vessels are lying to, and merely breasting the force of the waves, these ships are urging their way ahead with the mighty force of their powerful engines, perhaps at the rate of eight or ten miles per hour, and thus increasing the resistance, and consequent strain, to at least two-fold, compared with the sailing vessel. Yet, in this war of elements, they have never suffered. Again, Mr. President: consider the enormous power of the engines by which these steamers are propelled. Each of these engines is of the calculated power of fifteen hundred horses, operating directly on the ship itself, as the fulcrum of the mighty lever by which she is driven through the waves. Every stroke of the piston is felt, sir, from stem to sternfrom plankshear to keel —in every plank, in every timber, and in every fibre. Why, sir, one of these engines exerts a power sufficient to propel a ball of the weight of fifteen hundred pounds, with a velocity of thirty-three thousand feet per minute-a body which, taking the velocity into the account, would demolish the largest vessel that ever floated. The recoil of 22 teh of the largest batteries in the world would not exercise so much strain on one of these steamers as does the power of her enormous engines. And yet, sir, with the buffeting of the waves, in gales and storms-with the exertion of all this propelling power-these gigantic ships, like the ocean rock amidst the waves, have withstood, unscathed and unshaken, some of the most terrible storms that agitate the Atlantic. Sir, what more perfect test can be given of strength, solidity, and seaworthiness than has been applied to these noble ships. For myself' I can conceive none. But, sir, the honorable Senator now takes up another position. He says that propellers are superior to side-wheel steamers for war purposes. In this statement I perfectly agree with him, taking it as a general rule. But, sir, propellers would not answer the purpose of our Government for mail steamers. Their speed is not such as the times require. Under the Government direction, therefore, these steamers were equipped with side-wheels, and without which, however much they may take from their value and efficiency for war purposes, they would not have been available for the mail service. With the British or Cunard line the case is the same. However, sir, the honorable Senator admits we require soine sidewheel steamers; and, sir, it fortunately happens that in the Collins line we have some-that is, we have four side-wheel steamers, the best in the world. The honorable Senator, however, regrets that the navy and the mercantile marine should be united at all. Sir, the honorable Senator's regrets come too late. As far as these steamers are concerned, it has already been done; and, in doing it, we have but copied the example of the greatest naval power in the world; and I am far from apprehensive that any evil will result from the act. Mr. President, it does appear to me that not only pride of country, but also our mercantile interests demand that this line of steamers should not be left to an untoward fate without at least one more effort of this Government to prevent such a result. Sir, the war of 1812 cost this country three hundred millions of dollars. And for what was the war waged and prosecuted on our part? It was, sir, to secure our rights and promote our commercial interests on the ocean, and to cause them to be respected. The great object was gained; and, sir, as an American citizen, I thank Heaven that 23 my country has never succumbed to a foreign power. Her flag still waves in all its glory, and is respected by every civilized nation on earth. Nor would I strike our flag of commerce. It has achieved a most important though peaceful victory, and I will not give my vote to have it furled, or struck to any foreign rival. But, sir, such must be the case should we refuse the aid contemplated in this amendment; and we must suffer the mortification of descending in the scale of commercial enterprise, and, for the want of some trifling pecuniary sacrifice, consenting to become second, when we were and might have remained first. Sir, the superiority of our immense fleet of sailing vessels is already established. Foreign nations, with all their apparent superior advantages, have been unable to cope with us in this species of naval architecture. Our ships traverse every sea and unfurl our flag in every port in the world, and, wherever they appear, command the admiration of all observers. In this, our favorite and unequalled line of ocean steamers, we have also the evidence that we can excel, young as we are in this modern enterprise, all the rest of the world even in navigating the ocean by means of steam. To deprive us of this cause of triumph, and to prevent us from reaping its fruits, it is that those concerned in the British line have conspired to drive the ships of our American line from its route. This effected, and you suffer the spirit of enterprise concerned in the business to be crushed; and it will be a long time before it can again be aroused to action. On the other hand, encourage and sustain it, and but a few years will have elapsed ere we shall have a fleet of steamships traversing the ocean in ever direction, giving much greater facilities to commerce than it ever yet enjoyed, and greatly facilitating our communication with all parts of the world. Besides this, sir, our superiority in this matter being fully established, and universally known, as it will be, what is to prevent us from obtaining a large share of that lucrative business, now monopolized by Great Britain, of building steamships for other nations which lack the skill to build them for themselves? This would be extremely beneficial to our merchants and mechanics, and in fact to all classes in the community. Mr. President, the increase of our steam-marine would also make heavy draughts on our immense coal fields. From 24 Ohio, from Indiana, from Kentucky, from Virginia, from Pennsylvania, and wherever coal is found, it may be transported to all our seaports, from Portland to New Orleans, and at every port it would meet with a ready sale. If all these interests are of any importance in our view, let us unite to promote them by lending a helping hand to the company which solicits it, and whose noble ships, I trust, are destined to become the nucleus of a numerous fleet, all equally excellent. Mr. President, I cannot permit myself to close these remarks without paying a well-merited compliment to the gentlemanly proprietors of the celebrated Collins line of steamers, equalled by none that float on the bosom of the ocean. Sir, these gentlemen certainly deserve well of their country. With a degree of munificence seldom equalled they have expended their money without stint on an object truly national, and by the result have placed our country ahead of all others, in point of practical success, with respect to steam navigation on the ocean, and thus wrested the palm of victory from the brow of that mighty naval power which has claimed for centuries to be the mistress of the seas. More than this, sir: the millions they have expended, and by which they have not profited themselves, have gone to reward honest industry and mechanical science and skill. They have probably in this way done more for the working portion of the community and the cause of steam navigation than a like number of men in the same length of time have ever done before in the United States; and, whatever may be the ultimate fate of their enterprise, on which they have expended so much money, they are now honored, and will long be remembered with honor, for their noble work-a work that has opened a new era in the history of steam navigation, the effects of which will be seen and felt for generations yet unborn. SPEEC II OF HON. SOLON BORLAND, OF ARKANSAS, AGAINST THE COLLINS LINE OF STEAMERS, AND AGAINST SPECIAL LEGISLATION-THE DOCTRINE OF PROTECTIONAND ALL MONOPOLIES. DELIVERED IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES, MAY 12 AND 17, 1852. " Beginning with the first charter of the United States Bank, and ascending through the whole series of minor monsters and monopolies to this model contract with the Collins line, vary its aspect, and disguise it as you will, the principle you violate is the same, and the evil you do is of the same general character, only less or more in proportior to the degree of force you move it with. This is-it must be so, if God governs his universe by laws."-Page 19. WASHINGTON: PRINTED AT THE CONGRESSIONAL GLOBE OFFICE. 1852. SPEECH. The Seaate tesrnmed, as in Committee of the Whole, the |' their practice had so uniformly and brilliantly ex"onsideration of the bill from the Hosie of Representatives ermplified. On the contrary) by some of these, entitled'An act to supply deficiencies in the appropriations those views have been opposed. I do not mean'for the service of the fiscal year ending the 30th of June, by this that no o e in this discussion has sustained 1852," the pending uestion being on the amnendmenit of the principles and the maxims I espouse. I could The Committee on Finance, as it hadbeen amended, to insert not mean that, while the honorable Senator from the following: Virginia Mr. HNTR] is in my ye, and espeFor additional comrpensation for increasing the transport- Vially while the ability eye, and e speation of the tUnited States mail between NeV York and Liverpool, in tile Collins line of steamers, to twenty-six he has resisted this appropriation are so fresh and trips per annum, at such times as shall be directed by the glowing in my memory, And there have been Postmaster General, and in conformity to his last annual other honorable Senators, newer on this theater, report to Congress, and his letter of the 15th of November newer on this theater, last to the Secretary of the Navy, commoe'.cing said in- who have come to the rescue, and done good sercreased service on the first of January, 1852, at the rate of vice on the same side,. From their political asso$.33,000 per trip, in lieu of the present allowance, the sum ciations I had not hoped this of them. But a sense of 236a,500: Provided, atat it shtall be in the power of of patriotism, superior to that of mere party, has Congress at any time after the first day of January, 1854, to terminate the arrangement for any additional allowance lifted them above the barrier of those associations, herein provided for, and brought them, battling, to the cause of right, Mr. BORLAND said: and that, too, when the odds are against her; Mr. PRESIGENT: It was not my wish or inten- when, alas) right is not might upon this field. I tion to speak at all upoms this deficiency bill, further honor them for it. Would that we could always than to vote ay or nay upon the various items have them with us. which compose it, as they might be severally sub- What the Senator from North Carolina [Mr. mitted to the Senate. And if others, on both sides BADGER] said of the Senator from Virginia, [Mr. of the Chamber, had not debated it at such length, H.c'TER,] in this connection the other day, was and in such a way as some have done, I should well deserved. It is, indeed, true, " that if in numcertainly now remain silent. But the discussion ber he is but one, in force he is a host." I will has been so extended and elaborate, and especially not say his valor or his prowess was exaggerated the amendment in favor of the Collins line of ocean by comparing him with "Achilles upon the plains steamers, now under consideration, has been advo- of Troy, driving whole battalions before him." cated by its friends, so urgently and upon such But, as my honorable friend [Mr. BADGER] has grounds, that I deem it a duty, which I owe to sought classic ground for similitudes, I would myself and those I represent, to record my views suggest that he need not have stretched his fancy on the other side. so far back into the regions of antiquity as to disIn thus recording what I call my views, it is not turb the mythical shades of a mythicalpoet's demibecause they are my views, and mine alone, that I gods. An apter comparison, I apprehend, might wish to declare them. Such a reason could not- be found in the annals of more reliable history could never, indeed-induce me to occupy the time some six hundred years later, when that Spartan, of the Senate. But it is because I believe those whose name has come down to us as the synonym views are, in the first place, founded upon facts; of firmness and devotion, stood almost alone in the and, in the second place, are in accordance with famed pass of Thermopyle. And, perhaps, this those principles of legislation and those maxims comparison might appear the more striking and of political economy which have so long been held appropriate were it extended a little further. For to be sound and sacred by the political party to it does seem clear to my mind that if every Greek which I belong. And, further, because I have had but proved true to Leonidas, the Persians not found those principles and maxims sustained, could never have prevailed. The repulse of their on this occasion, by some of those under whose onslaughts for three succesive days had driven lead I have heretofore been accustomed to contend them back, conquered and desponding; and, in my, for them-some whose fortune and whose pleas- opinion, they never would have renewed the ature it has heretofore seemed to be to stand in the tack while, with the mountain barriers of the forefront of the battle in their support-some Constitution on his right hand and the deep sea whose duty and whose interest I had trustingly of good policy on his left, the bold front and hoped would hold them alike to the faith they had trenchant blade of our gallant chief had continued so long and so ably taught, and to the good works to occupy that'" twenty-five feet of ground " over which, alone, by a forward movement of the enemy, Such, Mr. President, is the spirit which actuthe heart of his country could be reached. But, ates me-such the purpose which engages me in alas! sir, for the supremacy of constitutional legis- this discussion. lation and sound political economy " in the mid- In the execution of this purpose, it is not at all die of the nineteenth century," as for Grecian in- necessary, nor shall I undertake, to occupy the dependence more than two thousand years ago, whole ground of dispute, or consider every point there has ever been such a thing as stratagem in of interest it presents. This has already been politics as in war —back ways of approach to an sufficiently done, and well done, by the honorable American Congress, as there were secret " moun- Senator from Virginia, [Mr. HUNTER,] whom I tain passes " to the rear of the Spartan camp. have acknowledged as my leader on this occasion. Sir, we are surrounded-we are beaten! I not I shall content myself, therefore, with touching only see before me the interminable lines of our a few of the main points upon which the decision natural enemies, but I hear in close proximity, of the whole question turns; and even so much, and with painful distinctness behind me, the tramp not with the slightest expectation of influencing a of some heavy cohorts we had always deemed our single vote, nor with even the shadow of a hope friends, now acting in concert with the five millions of turning any man's mind from the fixedness of of Persians which Xerxes leads againt us. Ay, present determination. This is another case, and sir, we are attacked in front and rear. And you it is likely to be a memorable one, of " foregone conare aware, Mr. President, that in politics as in war, elusion. " I speak, therefore, for the sole purpose it is a fearful hazard to be attacked in front and of placing the reasons of my own vote upon the rear at the same time. You remember how even record, and that my constituents may see that in the tried valor of General Scott quailed at its con- this instance, as I trust in all others, I have, howtemplation when he went to Mexico. And it is ever feebly, yet faithfully, represented their prinvery certain that such an attack, as planned by ciples and their interests, by asserting my own. Santa Anna, had it been executed by Mifion, would The original ground upon which the first approhave beaten General Taylor at Buena Vista. priations were asked and advocated for this line I repeat, sir, we are surrounded and beaten. I of steamers, and the only one upon which their see it all-I feel it-I know it. Arid since, in la- advocates seemed then to rely with any confidence, menting this calamity, I have been tempted by the was the adaptation of the vessels to " war purexample of my classical friend over the way, [Mr. poses"-ay,,sir, that was the term-" war purBADGER,] far back into the shadowy land, for in- poses;" and their incorporation, as the most imcidents of comparison, he, at least, must bear with portant element, alike for economy and efficiency, me while I linger there, to find some likeness of into our system of naval armament and defense. myself to the faithful Erarytl&s; for if, like him, in We all well remember how earnestly and conficonscious weakness, I have bided at./lpenus, and dently this was urged and insisted upon, as a kept aloof from my gallant chief while the ene- consideration in its behalf; and no one, I appremy were all in front, and he seemed able, with his bend, will question or deny that it was the consingle arm, to beat them off and drive them back; sideration which secured a majority in its favor, yet, now that he is surrounded, ani evidently and determined the success of the proposition. doomed to fall, I, too, have left that position — Upon that ground, alone, I hesitated, and was whence, from " the loop-holes of retreat," I might some time in doubt, whether I should support or have watched the battle from afar, in silence and oppose it. My instinctive aversion to all monopin safety-and hasten to his side in that hour, olies, to class legislation in everyform, and under when, if I cannot bring him aid to win a triumph, whatever specious guise it might present itself, I may, at least, share with him the martyrdom and to all partnerships between the Government and glory of defeat. For, sir, intuitive and strong and speculators in patriotism, made me suspicious as are my likings for a majority-and in this I am of it at the first, and I was disposed to reject it every inch a Democrat-yet, with the principles without much examination. But there I was met of Democracy I have learned, in part, at least, with'this attractive and captivating phrase of from you and the distinguished Senator from " war purposes." I confess it was very atMichigan, [Mr. Css,] who sits behind me, (but tractive and captivating to my fancy. I had but should always be before me,) and which I have recently returned from Mexico; and although a ever professed and practiced, I would infinitely year and a half in that interesting country-one prefer to record my name upo0 your Journal as third of the time a prisoner of war-had somewhat the single one of a forlorn minority against this abated my military ardor, yet it had not " taken measure, than to be the foremost man of the heavi- the starch quite out" of me. The very name of est majority in favor of it, which that Journal " war," and the means of its successful prosecucould be made to bear. J.tmicits Plato, amicus So- tion, bore then a spell of power to me, as now, I crates, sed maois amnica veritas!-an appropriate doubt not, they do to the martial spirit of the honversion of which noble sentiment I adopt, in orable Senator from Michigan, [Mr. CASS,] which strong, terse old English, from the proud avowal I found it difficult, as it now seems impossible for of that great American heart, no longer here to him, to resist. But not only did this attract. I electrify a listening Senate, but a little way hence, was reminded of the wonders which steam, as a paling its fires before the light of another world, motive power, had already worked in commerce and stilling its mighty pulses on the margin of an and the arts; and was pointed to the future, for honored grave- the still greater triumphs it was to achieve in arms. " I HAD RATHER BE RIGHT THAN BE PRESIDENT!" The past I was bound to admit-the future I could -A sentiment, sir, to which no heart bows with a not contradict. I was, further, reminded of our deeper reverence than mine, but which might fall expensive naval establishment, which apparently, with far more fitness and significance, on this occa- or at least comparatively, useless, though scarcely'on, from other lips. less expensive, in our long intervals of peace, was growing into a subject of complaint with a portion presence of this proposition here before us at this of the people. This I knew to be so. Then, by time, that, in every material particular, the exwhat seemed a very natural transition, the import- periment has failed-utterly failed-upon its oriance of our Atlantic mails, and the good policy of ginal conditions. The steamers for war purposes having them regularly, and speedily, and econom- were to be built, but they have not been built; the ically transported back and forth across the ocean, efficiency of our Navv was to be increased, but it were suggested and enlarged upon-I will notsay has not been increased; the expenses of our naval exaggerated, but certainly they were not estimated establishment were to be reduced, but they have at less than their true value. The array, so far, not been reduced; the cost of transporting our was attractive, and imposing, and formidable- Atlantic mails across the ocean were to be paid by certainly so to one like myself, fresh from a region the revenues from this line; but, instead of that, where such things were not familiar, and new to we have not yet received back quite one dollar for the business and appliances of national legislation. the three paid out. In a word, all this service of But one more element was needed to make the curing evils and securing good was to be rendered demonstration complete. That was speedily sup- for the amount of money then appropriated, but plied; and the solution was before me-as clear in it has not been done; so far from it, indeed, that its terms, as accurate in its letters, and-as precise in here before us we have the broad confession of the its lines and angles, as I, when a school-boy, and fact of the failure, in the demand from the same "' crammed for an examination," had ever made, parties, for nearly double the amount of compensato blunder through pons assinorum, on the black tion; and we are coolly told, that unless we choose board. Eureka! exclaimed the kind and skillful to giveit, the experimentwill fail and beabandoned, Palinurus, who had conducted me so far into these and all we have heretofore intrusted to the science, strange seas, as he opened to my astonished and and skill, and enterprise, and patriotism of this delighted vision the fair harbor of 1Nqew York, company, to be expended for the promotion of the crowded with the Collins steamers, each one public interest, and to sustain the national honor, freighted with mail-bags for all Europe, and em- will be a dead loss. Such a demand, from such a brazured with guns to whip the world in arms! source and under such circumstances, argues, to Here, I was told, was to be found a panacea for my mind, one or the other of two propositions: all the ills complained of, in the way of a useless either that the parties making it are afflicted with and expensive naval establishment, alike, in peace a grievous inability to appreciate the relations of and war, and of deficient mail service; and which, cause and effect, or that they are gifted with a still at the same time, would prove the very nursery more remarkable shrewdness of reliance upon the and handmaiden, par excellence, of science, litera- facility with which Congress yields to demands ture, commerce, and the mechanic arts. TheSen- boldly made, and pertinaciously pressed upon us. ator from New Hampshire, [Mr. HALE,] had not The result, alone, will prove whether Mr. Collins then added, as he did the other day, civilization, and his associates shall hereafter lay their grateful morality, and religion, to the catalogue of its votives upon the altars of dullness or sagacity. blessings, present and prospective. This panacea I have not given the items of the account upon -this wonder-working, and good-compelling in- which I have based my general statement of restrumentality-when disclosed, was neither more sults, and from which I have drawn my general nor less than to advance Mr. Collins money to build conclusions. They have been already and suffihis ships, and when they should be built, to pay ciently given, by the honorable Senator from Virhim for transporting in them our mails from New ginia,'[Mr. HUNTTER,] who. in the performance of York to Liverpool. his duty as chairman of the Committee on FiA distinguished medieal professor once said of nance, has thoroughly investigated this subject in Crawford's(since Liebig's) combustion hypothesis its details, and laid the facts before us. I need of animal heat, that " if the facts which served as a not weary the Senate by recapitulating them. It foundation for this beautiful theory, were not false, is enough, for my purpose, that they are before us, the deductionswouldbeirresistibie." Somesuch and before the world. I rely upon them, and defect, it occurred to me, there possibly might be, feel perfectly well satisfied that they warrant every in this hypothesis of the Collins line. For I was inference I have drawn from them. I may, in not, as I am not now, without suspicion that there publishing my remarks, incorporate or append are such things as "false facts" in commerce, some of them, in the form of extracts and tables. steamships, and speculation, as well as in the ex- I have assumed that the element of" war purperimental science of chemistry. Upon this sus- poses," however polentional it may have been in picion I paused, and I also examined the question the original problem, never was legitimately there; -imperfectly and with difficulty,'admit, yet with and even if it had been, yet, in the course of the the best lights before me, and surely with an demonstration, it has been left out as incongruearnest wish to ascertain the truth. It is not neces- ous and impracticable. The exposition made by sary to trouble the Senate with the whole process the Senator from Virginia [Mr. HUNTER] rendered of that examination. It is enough, for my present this fact indisputable. But, sir, even if that were purpose, to say that it failed to satisfy me that the not so, it has been proved so clearly, and signifipositions assumed were facts established, or that cantly, and conclusively, by the honorable Senathe promises made either would be or could be tor from North Carolina, [Mr. BADGER,] that I performed. So I adhered to my original principle cannot suppose it will ever be seriously insisted of.action, and opposed the contract and appropri- on again. That Senator, a friend, too, to this apation. And what has the result proved? It may propriation, and as well informed upon these subbe said, I know, that time enouzh has not been jects as any gentleman upon this floor-always yet allowed to make a full trial of the experiment. excepting, of course, the honorable Senator from Be that as it may, this I do know, and all the New Jersey, [Mr. STOCKTON,] on my left-has country knows, what indeed is proved by the very Jproposed to amend the bill, by cutting all, even seeming connection, between this line and the would have been stamped, as it deserves to ber Navy, and turning them over, bodily, to the Post as a Post Office arrangement, and nothing more. Office Department. I therefore assume this to be a fact, satisfactory The Senator withdrew his proposition; but he to my mind at least, and I think fully sustained had made it. by the evidence before us. I think the proposiMr. BADGER. I am still in favor of it. tion of the Senator from North Carolina was Mr. BORLAND. I have no doubt of it; and right, as it was significant. It carried with it an for that reason, were there no other, I attach im- important explanation, which I think it is time portance to it. But, sir, not only has the Senator the American people had before them. It was from North Carolina done so, but the Senator I straight-forward and intelligible. At any rate, I from Texas, [Mr. RUSK,] in his place here yes- think it placed the thing in its true position beterday, cut that connection, even more abruptly fore the Senate. It stripped the daw of its borand completely than the Senator from North Car- rowed plumage. It let the gas out of the balloon; olina proposed to do. And how? In the course and gave to the speculators' "airy nothing" of of an incidental debate upon the proposition of the "war purposes" its true name and "local habitSenator from Florida, [Mr. MALLORY,] he spoke ation." There, for the present, I leave it. of the connection between the Navy and.this line The whole proposition, then, to my mind, is to of vessels as "seeming, and seeming only;" and establish and maintain a mail-line across the Atthat its expenses ought not to be set down to the lantic ocean. To that proposition, in itself, I Navy account. Yes, sir, the connection, he said, have no objection. Indeed, I am inr favor of itbetween the two was "seeming, and seeming as much so, I apprehend, as any Senator upon only." this floor. or any citizen of this country. But the Mr. RUSK. I stated distinctly, and I have question is-How shall we establish and maintain done so before, that no reasonable, intelligent man, such a line? could charge the expenses of these ocean mail- In answering this question practically, it is well steamers to what is termed the Navy proper. I to consider how the other portions of our mail have expressed that idea on more than one occa- system are arranged and conducted, how the lines sion. So far from holding the position that these are established, how the service is procured, how are not sufficient war vessels, I maintain now that it is performed, and how it is paid for. they are; and not to trespass further upon the By our general law, all navigable waters are deSenator, when he asks who says these vessels are clared to be mail routes; and, by occasional laws,. capable of being war-steamers? I tell him Captain certain roads upon the land are, also, declared to Skiddy and Commodore Perry; and he is entitled be mail routes. To establish lines, or, in other to the benefit of my opinion, for I believe they are words, to put service, or have the mails carried, better than any vessels in the Navy. upon the routes which have been established by Mr. BORLAND. I do not question that such law, is in the power, and at the discretion, within is the opinion of the Senator on that subject. He certain limits, of the Post Office Department. has declared it over and over again, and the whole When, in the judgment of that Department, the country knows it. I alluded to his statement public interest requires it, these lines are estabupon an incidental proposition here yesterday, lished, and their service procured. As the law when he admitted the impropriety of having this now prescribes, and as I trust it always will preappropriation, or any part of the expenses of this scribe, public advertisement, giving due notice, is line, connected with the Navy fund, or with the made throughout the country, inviting proposals Navy in any respect; declaring that this connec- for carrying the mails; the contract to be awarded tion was "seeming, and seeming only." But I ask to the lowest and best bidder. Formerly-I think any intelligent man, if these are ships of the until 1845-the advertisements specified the means Navy, capable of being used for war purposes, and mode of service, as well as the time, the route, where is the impropriety of charging the money and the distance; and the contracts were made to for sustaining them to the naval appropriations? conform tothat specification. Since that time, the It seems to me that would be the most natural simple act of service, conditioned only as to time, connection in the world; and with whatever ease route, and distance, is alone provided for; the a person practiced in examining the accounts of means and mode of transportation being left to the the different branches of our public service, might contractor. This change was not made without be able to determine that this money was not cause, or without reflection. I thought, at the properly charged to the naval appropriation; yet, time, it was a wise and a proper change; and I 1 apprehend, it would go out to the country as also think the result has proved it to have been the strongest declaration, which ninetees-twen- so. For, thereis nothing more clearly and fully tieths of the American people wno saw it, whether established than the fact that, while the mail serintelligent or not intelligent, would takeas evidence vice, generally, has been as well and efficiently that this line was a part of the Navy, and that this performed-perhaps better-the rate of its cost sum was a part of the naval appropriations, and has been very greatly reduced. To prove this, we properly so. need only refer to the annual reports of the Post Mr. President, it seems that, not only is this Office Department, before and since the change. opinion entertained of this matter by the Senators There was another reform in the same conlection, to whom I have alluded, and by myself; but you and the same time; and that was to abandon the remember that yesterday, when the vote was requirement which had, up to that time, been made taken upon the proposition of the Senator from of the new contractor, to purchase of the old Florida, there was almost a tie vote in the Senate one, all his old and worn-out " stock"-that is, upon it; and there is no question, in my opinion, horses, coaches, &c., which he might have on that in a full Senate the present connection would hand, however worthless it might be, at the close have been severed, and the whole transaction of the old and the beginning of the new contract. 7 I well remember the great reduction in the rate of And so, Mr. President, I think it ever has been, cost of mail-service, from these two items of re- and feel sure it ever will be, in every pursuit in form, set forth in his report, by the Postmaster life, and with every article or fabric of production. General, in 1846. He assigned the saving from Look, sir, at the planting of corn, and of cotton, these items, alone, as a very considerable resource, and of tobacco, and of sugar, and of hemp! What if not the main one, which had sustained the De- does this Congress know of those pursuits, or of partment, in any tolerable degree, under the sud- those productions, which is not far better known den and very great reduction of the rates of postage to those individuals whose intelligence is sharpby the act of 1845. ened by.an interest we cannot feel, whose knowlThese changes, proper and useful as they were, edge is enriched by observations we have no opin point of financial economy, were, in my opin- portunities to conduct, and whose judgment is ion, still more proper and more useful, by repu- matured by an experience not attainable by us, diating the principle and abolishing the practice of nor in the habitual channels of our thoughts and an interference by the Government, any further occupations? Why, then, should we interfere with than may be indispensable to the public interest, them? Why undertake, by special legislation, to in the business of the country, or of its under- prescribe the manner in which those crops shall taking to regulate, except by general laws, the or- be cultivated, or the quantity of each which shall dinary transactions between private individuals. be produced, or how they shall be carried to All the Government wanted, and all it could legiti- nwtrket, or at what prices they shall be sold? All mately ask, was the performance of certain ser- those things should be left, as, thank God, they vice-the transportation of the mail over certain have been left, to the practical intelligence, the routes, within certain times-and for this to pay ample knowledge, the mature judgment, of the a certain sum of money, the smallest sum for men whose interest it is to regulate them wisely. which this would be undertaken, by some compe- The result has been, good management and thrift, tent and responsible man, binding the contractor, under the salutary laws of demand and supply; in sufficient bonds, to perform his contract faith- and the inevitable consequence is a prosperity as fully, and so supervising the service, in the course glorious as it is unexampled. of its performance, as to secure the public interest Then look at the various manufactures of the from detriment. This done, the duty of the Gov- country! WVhat do we know of them which is ernment was performed, and its functions ceased, not far better known, or what can we do for them in that direction. Further than this it could not which cannot be far better done, by the practical legitimately go, and, in my opinion, should never minds and hands which are engaged in their manbe permitted to go. I think the history of our agement and identified with their success? The Government shows that whenever, by itself, it has same principles of human action, and the same undertaken to perform the functions of private in- general laws of business and of trade, apply here dividuals, there has always been a failure to per- and determine results, as in agriculture, as I have form those functions well; and especially has this mentioned. Unfortunatelyfor manufacturesthemfailure been manifest, and most mischievous in its selves, unfortunately for the country, and, at one consequences, whenever, by special legislation and time, almost to the ruin of this Government, the time-serving policy, the Government has under- same wisdom has not, in every instance, presided taken to provide for and regulate the business of over our national councils; or, at any rate, if she the country-business which should be left where did preside, she sadly verified what was said of it properly belongs, to be suggestedby the saga- her predecessor in remote antiquity, that wisdom city, pushed forward by the enterprise, and man- "sometimes nods." For if we did not directly aged by the enlightened self-interest of the citizen interfere with manufactures, to the extent of prehimself. All history, I think, teaches us that this scribing the several processes of spinning and has been so; and that it will ever be so in all time weaving, or of directing, in so many words, the to come, is no less the suggestion of reason than precise quantity and quality and price of producit is the admonition of experience. tion, we did what, perhaps, was in equal disregard Upon this idea, a saying of Nathaniel Macon, and violation of principle, and what, in the end, who once honored the Senate with his presence, proved even more mischievous in practice, when, and guided it by his wisdom, may be quoted here, by special legislation, at the expense of every as an apposite and instructive exemplification. I other interest of the country, we administered a heard it attributed to him here a few years ago, by stimulus to manufactures of certain classes, which, a Senator no longera memberof this body. "If,' while it excited them to temporary excesses, alike said Mr. Macon, "the Governrment of the United of investment and production, was yet insufficient States should undertake to become afarmer, it would, to protect them adequately against foreign or dobefore the end of five years, have to buy its corn for mestic competition, or place them upon a secure planting." That1 sir, presents the very beau ideal, and permanent foundation; and with what conseor, in the language of the day, the daguerreotype, quences to those manufactures themselves? Need of an incompetent and unthrifty farmer. I remind Senators of what almost every page of So, sir, it has ever been, and so it will ever be, our legislative history discloses? Who does not whenever the Government has left, or shall leave, know? What student of that history has not the sphere of its legitimate functions, to interfere dwelt with interest, and felt his heart throb with in the affairs of the people, or undertake the per- alternate fear and hope, as he traced the rise and formance or regulation of duties which individual progress of the protection I allude to, during that men should perform, and which they alone, when stormy period of thirty years, from 1816, when it left to themselves, can properly and efficiently per- began, until 1846, when it was last the wager of a form. battle which shook these walls? If the time were This has been so with the mails. Mr. Macon at my disposal, it would be of interest, and might said it would be so with the crops, and I believe it. be instructive, to pass, in review, all the leading: 8 incidents which make up that history. It may, occur again in our history. With the occasion, under present circumstances, however, only be then, which originated and justified the policy of admissible, and will be enough for my purpose,to protection, the policy itself must cease and deterrefer to a few of them only. mine. And here, sir, that I may avoid all chance Except that it has been cited as a precedent, of being misapprehended, or of being suspected of and has furnished some color for subsequent inconsistency upon this point of protection, I must abuses, I do not say that I find objections to the remind all who hear me of what that protection tariffactof 1816. Thecircumstances under which in 1816 consisted. The rate of the duties then it was enacted, and the reasons which governed imposed, I cannot now, -from memory, state with its authors, I have ever thought justified it at the precision. I am quite sure, however, that it did time. We were then in our infancy as a nation, not exceed thirtyper cent. ad volorem. But,at arny (as I was in mine as an individual.) Our re- rate, it did not exceed therates ofourrevenuetariffs sources were limited. We had just emerged from since that time; and in itself was entirely within a harassing and expensive war, with the most the revenue limit of its day. My impression is, powerful nation in the world; with our patriotism that it averaged about twenty-eight per cent. purified by blood and fire, and aroused to its full But, Mr. President, that was the beginning; strength and ardor; with our hatred of England and though, like that apple which "brought death and everything English intense and concentrated; into the world, and all our woes," it was harm;and with our hearts open and warm to all who less in itself, and even pleasing to the taste, from had given us sympathy and assistance in our days that time dates, and from that has sprung, innuof trial, and were here to rejoice with us in our merable woes in our world of politics. It may hour of triumph. We wanted revenue to relieve be in accordance with human nature, for it cerus from the burden of a debt, which was the price tainly followed, that what was first received as of our second independence, as well as to defray bounty and protection, was soon demanded as a the expenses of a Government whose power and right; and that, too, by parties who had not even value had now begun to be felt. Our people were earned the first bounty! The poet has said that galled and exhausted by the direct taxation, which j Fools rush in had been onerous during the war. Relief was Where angels fear to tread." desired and needed, in all quarters. If ever there I need hardly express the analogy which the was, or could be, an occasion in the career of any demands of this second class of claimants for propeople, when a resort to duties upon imports, for tection suggest to my mind. If I did, it would be, the means of relief and support was presented, that indeed forced upon them, it was our occasion in Knaves are clamorous for gain, 1816. But in addition to this general considera- Where honest men would hold their peace. tion, which was scarcely less than a necessity, the But the demand was made, and pressed with a few manufactures then in our country had arisen, zeal and in a spirit of such sturdy beggary, that it and were then placed, under very peculiar cir- seemed to defy alike refusal and resistance; and cumstances. They had arisen during the war, had attained its height of exorbitancy and success fostered and encouraged by the non-intercourse, in 1828. The tariff act of that year was not inand comparative isolation,which war with a mar- aptly characterized, at the time, as " the bill of itime power had imposed upon us. And not only abominations." You were here, Mr. President, had these manufactures been thus fostered and and know all about it. I was still a boy-though encouraged, but they had rendered important, in- not even then altogether uninformed, and cerdispensable services, by supplying our wants dur- tainly not indifferent, as to what was passing of a ing those dark days of isolation, and suffering, nature so important to the welfare of my country, and danger. In view of their condition, then, and and so generally agitating the minds of the people. especially in consideration of the indispensable Pardon me, sir, for these reminiscences. They services they had rendered in our time of need, are of deep interest to me; being, of that period there was not only a sense of good policy in the of my life, when my political opinions may be minds of our public men of that day, which sug- said to have had their birth-or, at least, to have gested this mode of raising revenue, but there was taken their indelible impression from " the form also a sentiment-anda worthy sentiment it was- and pressure of the times." And in this connecof gratitude in the hearts of al), which conceded tion, I trust the honorable Senator from North protection to our infant manufactures. And to Carolina, [Mr. MANGUM,] who sits furthest from appreciate fully the need they had of some pro- me, will not object that I refer to him for the tection, it must be borne in mind, that not only state of popular sentiment in the good old State, were they immature and feeble in themselves, but which he still so ably represents; for those were that, during the war, there had accumulated in stirring times, sir, and that honorable Senator various European countries, especially in England, was among the foremost of those strong spirits large stores of manufactured goods which awaited who stirred them-and that, too, against " abombut the hand of peace to remove the barriers which inations." I, then a boy-perhaps not older than war had erected, to pour their floods upon our the youthful Norval, when martial ardor drew him shores, at prices reduced by excess of quantity, from his mountain home-I, too, " longed to follow and thus to sweep our friends from the face of our to the field some warlike lord;" and my honored own soil. Such is my reading of the history of father, himself a disciple of Jefferson, more lsrothe tariff of 1816, and such the considerations for pitious than young Norval's sire, pointed to that which, I apprehend, I should have sustained it, Senator, as a leader most fit for me to follow. had I been here to vote. From that time, in armor suited to my years, But, sir, as I said, the circumstances of that "with bended bow and quiver full of arrows, I occasion were peculiar. The mere recital of them hovered about the enemy, and marked the road proves that they have not occurred, and never can H he took." Nor did I lose sight of my chosen 9 leader. My eye was fixed upon the white plume the ruins of the compromise of 1833. Again was of "free trade" which waved so bravely from the country agitated; again were the Stuart's exhis "bonnet o' blue" —my ear lost no sound of pelled; and again were the friends of " free trade" his clarion voice, as it rang'out from the summit restored to power. Upon that, followed the tariff of " Red Mountain," reverberating among the act of 1846; a return, in substance, to the eomprolesserhills of Hertford and Northampton, and ran mise —a revenue tariff-of 1833; and once again, along the valleys, even of the Meherrin and upon this question, the country was at rest. And Chowan, arousing the slumbering genius of " State so, upon that question, it has remained until this sovereignty." And my very heart leaped upi time; for, although the "monopolists" under a with a joyous exultation, as I saw "6 monopoly " new name, under peculiar circumstances, and upon after "monopoly " go down before " the fateful no distinct nor definite issues of public policy, steel " of his broad claymore, until not one " mon- gained access to Executive power, in 1848, and ster " of that hated clan was left. Such, sir, is a retain it now, they have not yet been bold enough transcript of my faithful memory of those days — to disregard the past, or venture upon that experidoubtless less vivid than the original impression. ment directly, or in any palpable form, which has I thus followed the same leader until 1832, and ever proved fatal to their predecessors of the same through that memorable year. Then, by some faith. mischance, I will not say how or to whom, I My object in making this incidental recurrence missed him. Here, perhaps, the curtain had as to the history and consequences of the tariffs, or well be dropped, except to say that when I protective legislation of this Government, has not next was able to take a full and unobstructed been to revive unpleasant memories-nor to enter view of his position and pursuit, the color of his into any argument against it, further than to replume was changed, and the black weeper of mind the Senate and the country how disturbing "protection" was in its place; the cry of "State and injurious that legislation has been to the gensovereignty " had died upon his lips, and he mur- eral interest of the country, sometimes even threatmured,not loud, but deep, Federal "consolidation," ening the very existence of the Union itself; and in its stead; and instead of striking, as of old, all this, without conferring that benefit upon the against " monopolies," I found, and still find him, particular interest it was designed to protect, which upholding them with all his Bruce-like power. led to its adoption. For, after all, what has been Here the curtain shall fall. I am, in all sincerity, the effect upon manufactures, of all this muchgrateful to the honorable Senator for much I coveted protection? Fluctuation, FLUCTUATIOONlearned from his precepts and example some the greatest curse, a curse which no benefit, nor twenty-odd years ago. I trust I do no injustice to all benefits combined, can compensate-has been his present position. its unfailing and fatal attendant. As I said before, But to return to the tariff of 1828. That year it stimulates the business for the time; and, thus witnessed the expulsion of the "monopolists" encouraged, investments are extended, operations from Executive power; and then commenced the aire enlarged, and expenses multiplied; and, as a real struggle for the repeal of " the bill of abomin- consequence of this, the productions are excesations." It is needless to do more than allude to sively increased. And this, not in view of the real the fact of that struggle, or the crisis in the fate of wants of the country, nor in accordance with the the Union to which it led in 1832and 1833. Those laws of demand and supply, which alone ever have incidents are but too fi-esh and painful in the minds given, or can give, stability and success to any of all; and many yet survive, who are still un- legitimate or useful pursuit: but, growing out of healed of wounds received in the struggle which mere enactments of arbitrary, special legislation, developed them. It is enough that the crisis was conceived in a spirit as narrow as the single interso imminent, that extremes met; and, as it were est it would subserve, it neither comprehends the of necessity, joined hands in a " compromise," relations which necessarily subsist between every which, allowing ten years to equalize its burdens other interest, and every pursuit, nor is competent and its benefits,was solemnly agreed to be a sacred to sustain the conflicts which, like "' a comet shot league and covenant that, upon the questions it madly from its sphere," it must unavoidably enadjusted, there should be no more strife among counter in its eccentric course, among interests brethren forever. And for ten years, that cove- with which if left, undisturbed, to the general laws, nant was kept; for during that period, the friends it would be in perfect harmony. That this is so, of " free trade" were in power; and they, as they I appeal to the manufacturers themselves, whether, have ever done, kept their faith. But, at the end of in their workshops at home, or here by their enthat period, by remarkable coincidence, the " mo- lightened Representatives in both Houses of Connopolists"gainedpower,again. And,sad spectacle gress. If it be otherwise, what mean these jereit was-sad for the country! in the very hour of miads, and tales of terrible disaster, which crowd their triumph, and as if to signalize it by a deed the columns of every newspaper, of factories which might mark the age that witnessed its per- closed, of operatives without employment, of forpetration, with a stone so black that the memory tunes ruined, of opulence reduced to beggary? of man should never efface its impression-in that Or, perhaps, more significant still, what mean hour, they broke that covenant, which had owed those numerous memorials which besiege the its existence- almost to the death-throes of the doors, and pile the tables, and fill the committeeUnion-had been sealed, as it were, with the rooms, of Congress, session after session, for heart's blood of the nation, and been ratified by " protection protection! more protection!" Sir, vows which can never be violated with impu- it is like a hot-bed crying for more fire, to sustain nity. But those vows were violated, as I have its unnatural plants, sickly from artificial nutrisaid; and, sure and swift, followed punishment in tion, and weak from excessive growth, against the track of the violation. The tariff act of 1842, the bracing atmosphere which gives life, and vigreturning to high protection, was erected upon or, and healthy luxuriance to every other tree, and 10 shrub, and fruit-bearing herb, which God intended or does she now demand, protection for her one fortheproper use of man, and which always thrives hundred and twenty-seven ships, her seventy-five best under the influence of his natural laws. Sir, brigs, her one hundred and fifteen schooners, all you hear none of these complaints, and receive built in the single year 1850, making an aggregate none of these memorials, from the farmers and of one hundred thousand tons for that year? Go planters of the country. And the cause of this is to Maryland-I appeal,also, to her Senators-has twofold: First, because, as I have said, theirpur- she ever had, or does she now demand, protection suits are left in the hands of those who best know for her one hundred and twenty-five clippers, built how to conduct them, and thrive, as they progress, in 1850, which are the models for the world? Go, in the free and wholesome air of individual intelli- sir, to the West-to western Pennsylvania,to Qhio, gence, enterprise, and exertion, and under the op- to Kentucky, to Missouri-but no,sir, I will not go eration of their own general and salutary laws. there. Their Senators are here, but I do not now And secondly, because of the more manly, and appeal to them. 1 will not trust myself to do that independent, and self-relying spirit.those pursuits now. If I did, I should speak too much, perhaps, are calculated to foster and maintain. from my heart, and consume the day-nay, I And all this, Mr. President, brings me back al- might consume a week upon that single theme. most to the starting-point of my argument, and But this I will say, and say it now, for the West,resolves itself into the general principle with which that we have had no protection, and we ask none. 1 set out-that the Government should restrict it- We want nothing, and we ask nothing, but justice slf to the exercise of its few, simple, well-defined and equality in the operation of your laws. Neifunctions, by means of general laws, of equal, ther of these, which are our guarantied rights ununiform, and universal application; leaving, not der the Constitution, have we ever had. I may placing, all men and all pursuits, upon the same have more to say on one point in this connection, relative and substantial footing, which nature gave presently. them; and trusting individual pursuits to individual But to return, sir, to the protection of commerce. choice, and the results of their industry to be I deny-and I think the facts sustain me-that determined by the general laws of demand and commerce, or navigation, as a legitimate, special supply. interest, needs protection; and even if it did need Now, sir, if these general propositions be true- such protection, I could never give it by special or and I apprehend there are few members of the exclusive laws, by which other interests, equally political party to which I belong, and which are entitled to it, and equally important, shall inevitin a decided majority in this Chamber, who will ably be put at disadvantage, or be made to pay deny them-I say, if these be true, and, more es- tribute to its advancement. pecially if, as I have undertaken to show, and as.l Mr. President, my strength has failed me. I the same party has always maintained, they be was quite unwell when I began, and am unable applicable to the agricultural and manufacturing to stand on my feet any longer. I hope, thereinterests, why-why, I ask, are they not appli- fore, it will be agreeable to the Senate to postpone cable-why shall they not be applied-to the cona- the subject till to-morrow, when, if able to be here, mercial pursuits of our people? I I will conclude what I have to say. Sir, it needs no industrious search after facts, The postponement was agreed to. and still less does it require a labored or ingenious argument, to answer this question. The facts are MONDAY, May 17, 1852. before us, and before the world. They are to be seen from the dome of this Capitol. They are to be Mr. BORLAND resumed: seen on every river, and harbor, and "inland sea," When, Mr. President, I was compelled, from of this vast continent of ours. They are asserted illness, to suspend the remarks I was making with a boldness which startles the world, under upon this question, last Wednesday, the Senate every sky, where float tfe stars and stripes from was kind enough to postpone the subject; and, an American mast, and where every sea is cut by even next day, when I was yet too ill to be present, the swift keel of an American ship, whether that a further postponement was permitted, in courtesy ship be wafted by the free winds of heaven, or to me. This is the first moment when I could repropelled by the steam of American genius. The sumemy remarks. I tender my grateful acknowlgrowth and vigor of our commercial marine, and edgments for the courtesy extended to me; and especially the rich argosies of commerce which it now proceed with the discussion, from the point wafts to and from our shores, and through every at which I was compelled to leave it. vein and artery of our land, are among the chief 1 had then concluded my general views of the glories and boasts of the nation. And yet, they, question before us, and of the principles involved sir, starting from nothing, have grown and flour- in its discussion. I come now to the application ished, as the commerce of no other people in the of those principles to this particular amendment. whole world has ever grown and flourished, since And this brings up some special examination of the Phoenicians first ventured in little boats from this Collins line of steamers. To what branch Aradus to Mount Carmel, to the hour when the of the business of the country does this line belast new clipper left her " ways" at Baltimore, to long? Which of the great interests, or industrial shame the naval architecture of the world. And pursuits, does it represent? The answer 1 have all this growth and glory, without protection- given, and which I have undertaken to show is the without any help from the Government. All of true answer to these questions, is, that it comes it, sir, achieved by the genius and enterprise of under the head of commerce-that is, commerce individual people, left to the exercise of their own and navigation combined, which are here inseparfree thoughts, and to the untrammeled use of their able, and may be treated under one head. own skillful hands. Go, sir, to Maine-I appeal Then, sir, what is there peculiar to this line, to her Senators, now present-has she ever had, which removes it beyond, or lifts it above, the 11 rule we apply to other ships, or other commercial But to be serious, sir, this much we have seen, interests? and do know: the influence of this line has already ", Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, full sway in the Executive counsels of this GovernThat he is grown so great?" ment-it has already the monopoly of the newsI anticipate the answer Mark Antony will give. Oh, paper press of this Metropolis; and, remorseless sir, I know it-I have heard it-1 have read it here, still, like some huge and hungry Boa Constrictor, there, everywhere. And I might have seen, and it is fast winding its tortuous and fearful folds perhaps enjoyed it too, "or a part thereof," had I about the body and limbs of this Congress,until but visited " the beautiful Baltic," when she came our strong ribs are giving way, and our very heart a-wooing here, some month or two ago-another seems ready to be squeezed out, in the ghastly Venus, from the froth of the sea, as she rose upon form of appropriations, which, if this pressure be the vision of admiring thousands, and stood re- not removed, will pour the life-blood of the Navealedin allthe nude voluptuousness of her charms, tional Treasury into the capacious and rapacious without even the hands covering the chaste genius maws of bankers and speculators. Already, hunof Praxiteles has thrown before the Cnidian statue dreds of thousands have thus been squeezed out of the goddess,-leading in her train Bacchus, with and swallowed up. The cry is still for " more!" his cups, to intoxicate the brain; and perhaps, too, And now, millions upon millions are demanded! the boy-god son of the zoned Cyprrian, bearing, with A few days will determine whether that demand arch and graceful impudence, his heart-compelling shall be granted. quiver. And we all know that Orpheus was there, And, apropos, Mr. President, of the influence as he certainly was here, with his negromantic lyre, this line is bringing to bear upon us, and which I strung to the modern " higher law," and played have called a "pressure:" A remark which fell upon by steam, who successfully moved even this the other day from the honorable Senator from grave Senate to adjourn; and, as he sung, I almost Michigan, [MIr. CAss,] and which suggested this fancied that we- designation, struck me with great force. I will;" sat upon a promontory, read it: And heard a mermaid, on a dolphin's back, "; Sir, you know, and we all know, that there is a great Uttering such dulcet and harmonious breath, external pressure in favor of all subjects of this kind; and That the rude sea grew civil at her song; it should be guarded against and resisted with ceaseless vigiAnd certain' stars shot madly from their spheres,' tnce, or it will, in time, acquire an ascendency, injurious To hear the sea-maid's music. " lance, or it willineto the best interests of thie country." And I know not how many, or what other, pro- ere, Mr. President, is the orgnal of the deaHere, Mr. President, is the original of the ideafane gods and goddesses besides, were there, no, sir, I am wrog; not the idea, for my own obto mingle and minister at the institution of Saturservation had suggested that; but of the terms in nalia for this capital of the New World. But, which I have attempted to express the idea of the sir, not possessing a soul so easily as others sir, not possessing a soul so easily as others influences which are operating to squeeze this ap" moved by the concord of sweet |s ounds," nor ]nspropriation out of us. Sir, the Senator was right; yet, I trust, more fit than they "for treason, strat- he called things, as he usually does, by their right agem, and spoils," I was not led away, by the names, and gave us a fair and salutary warning, ears, on that occasion. It was I, as you may "that there is a great external pressure;" that remember, who cried, "Get thee behind me, "it should he guarded against and resisted;" Satan!" And, thanks to the spirit of the sacred prase, I was not led into that temptation. 11 L"or it will prove injurious to the best interest of phrase, I was. Pot l ed into that temptatiov. the country." I, myself, have felt this " presMr. President, the answer, however, which I sure" the Senator from Michigan [Mr. CASS] have heard and read so much, has not satisfied u have heard and read so much, has not satisfied must have felt it, too, to have characterized it so me. It does not satisfy meyet; and Iapprehend well. I sincerely regret that we cannot have his it never will or can, for the reason that I have not vote to help us to comply with his advice to refound it in accordance with the facts, nor on vote to help us to comply with his advice to refound it in accordance with the facts, nor con- sist it. sonant with the principles which govern my judg- And still sir holding tthe Constrictor, am ment, and determine my votes reminded of the description which an Oriental But, Mr. President, the history of this line, traveler has given of one of these monsters he and the circumstances under which It comes before awin theIsland of Ceylon. It was fifty feet long us, have suggested another answer which, while proportion; ad, after long lying it is certainly clearer, and more comprehensible, is t, had cceeded in capturing a large musk also more in accordance with what I understand ai h also more in accordance with what I understand ox. I need not give the whole description, though the facts to be. And that, sir, is the vast amount it is interesting. At the close of it, however, he of capitaI invested in this enterprise; cosisting It is interesting. At the close of it, however, he of capital invested in this enterprise; consisting, raphically says: as that capital does, nominally at least of large quaintly but s ct a s "As the folds tightenied, and the broad chest of the noble sums of money-some $3,000,000, or more-and but now suffering animal began to yield under the great exof a fund and a force of mental shrewdness, bold- ternal pressure, its bones were snapping with a noise as of ness, pertinacity, and want of delicacy, it has i so many pistol shots. and strange sounds were emitted from never before been my fortune to witness, and itslaboringthroat which it sometimes amazes me to contemplate. But, sir, to return to the question: what is there Such a capital is potent, beyond all my powers of peculiar to this line, which should exempt it from computation. I doubt if my honorable friend the rule we apply to all other ships, and their asfrom North Carolina, [Mr. BADGER,] armed with sociated commercial interests? To my mind, there that Dilworth's arithmetic of his, and even my is nothing which should do so. Inasmuch, howhonorable friend from Kentucky, [Mr. UNDER- I ever, as various reasons have been assigned why WOOD,] with the talisman of his "square root," this should be done, I will briefly examine the were to come to my assistance, whether even main ones upon which reliance seems tobe placed then, we could estimate the sum of that potency, by the friends of the proposition. or trace it out in all its ramifications., First, then, the ships of this line are said to be adapted to war purposes. I have already alluded line which performed it was a part of the Navy. to this, and expressed the opinion that, although On the contrary, in special reference to this very the contract required it, and it was the only point, he declared the connection between this line ground upon which a sufficient number of votes and the Navy to be "seeming, and only seeming. " could be got for the original appropriation, yet it I could draw no other inference than I did. But is a condition which has not been complied with. the Senator says now, it is his opinion that these And this opinion is based upon what certainly are steamers are suitable for " war purposes," and significant and, I think, conclusive facts and cir- may, in time of need, be made useful as such. cumrstances. I have said, and I repeat, that apart For the Senator's opinion I have great respect, as from every other circumstance in the case, the I have entire confidence in his candor. He must proposition of the Senator from North Carolina, excuse me, however, if I cannot adopt his opinion, [Mr. BADGER,] a leading friend of the measure, to when I do not find it sustained by what my mind turn this whole line over to the Post Office Depart- can recognize as facts; and more especially, when ment, was proof, to me, that it was no suitable nor I do find it opposed by an incidental argument of proper part of our naval establishment; was, in- his own, which strikes me as of great force and deed, a virtual, as well as an actual abandonment, significance. But, besides this general reason, by those competent to judge, and authorized to there are some special reasons for denying that speak, of the whole original ground of wzar purposes. these ships are adapted to " war purposes." And if this needed corroboration, that was surely We have it from reliable authority, and it was furnished by that admission the Senator from so stated here by the Senator from Florida, [Mr. Texas [Mr. R-usK] made, incidentally, to the Sen- MALLORY,] who is familiar with such things, and ator from Florida, [Mr. MALLORY,] that this line it has not been denied, that these ships are built of has " a seeming, and only a seeming connection" unsuitable materials for war service; that their outer with the Navy, to which I have already alluded. walls are made of "pine plank;" whereas, those of Mr. RUSK. All that I said was, that the ex- all vessels of war are made of oak; and that their penses charged upon the books of the Treasury to " timbers and frames" are a " mixture of live-oak, this service, ought not to be charged either to the locust, and pine;" whereas the " timbers and Post Office or to the Navy fund proper, and esti- frames" of all vessels of war are mnade of live-oak. mated as appropriations for either of those De- Whywasthis? Will any one undertake to say that partments. That was all that I said in relation to live-oak, and all other kinds of wood used in naval that point. But so far from admitting that these architecture, and that, too, in abundance,and of the vessels were not suitable for war purposes, 1 best quality, cannot be had at any and all of our stated at the time, if 1 remember aright, that they yards? Why,then,was thisliglht,unusual, and unhad been examined by a board of respectable suitable material made use of in the construction of naval officers, appointed for that purpose; that these ships? Sir, but one answer can be giventhey had been pronounced suitable, and had been certainly, in view of the facts, but one should be accepted by the Government. received-and that is, they were never intended for Mr. BORLAND. I remember, very well, that " war purposes," and therefore were not built of the Senator said so. I am not speaking of his materials suited to those purposes. opinion. I am only stating the facts. When I Again: it has been objected, and upon what I made this allusion before, the Senator made a sim- must receive as good authority-certainly as reilnar explanation to the one he has now given. He spectable for character and competency, as any thougtht I gave an erroneous interpretation of his which has been adduced on the other side, and remarks. What he did say, may not have fairly superior in number of witnesses, and in the directrepresented what he 7meant; but I apprehend, as ness, point, and force of their statements-that, behis remark was reported in the papers, it would sides their defective material, the strtcture of these be understood by the country precisely as I inter- ships unfits them for " war purposes," or for easy preted it. The other day, when I made the allu- conversion to such purposes. sion, I did not have before me the Senator's re- Of the persons who have been called in to susmarks. I have since examined them, in print, tain the character of these ships for convertibility and now have them before me. into war steamers, I find Commodore Perry, CapIn opposition to the amendment offered by the tain Skiddy, and Mr. Francis Grice, a naval conSenator from Florida, [Mr. MALLoRY,] and ap- structor, themain,ifnotthe onlyonesrelied upon. pealing to him, he said: This, I confess, hasstruck me with some surprise, "Is he willing to separate the Navy from a seening, and and is, at any rate, a very significant circumstance. only a seeming connection'with this line, by throwing it I can well understand how it is that the testimony upon ihose ivwho pay postage upon letters, throughout the of ally great number of naval officers has not been given or presented here against the war clharacter I think my interpretation of this was the only of these ships. Being officers of the Government one it would naturally bear. And I think, fur- which they find engaged in an enterprise of seemther, it derives additional propriety, if needed, ing great importance, and under the orders of an fronm the suggestion, evidently made, in his opinion Administration that they know to be favorable to then expressed, that the whole policy of making that enterprise, what more natural, if not actually the Post Office Departmentdepende-tupon its own becoming, than for them to remain silent at least, revenues was wrong; and that as the payment of and abstain firom what might be regarded by their this mail service directly from the Treasury was, superiors, as unwarranted and officious? And I pro tanto, a correction of that wrong, lhe was for can appreciate, also, the motive, as well as official continuing to make it there. Nowhere, in that delicacy, which would restrain them fiom coming connection, did he even intimate that this service forward unasked with their opinions, especially if (mark, it is mail service) should be paid for out of those opinions were unfavorable to the views of the general Treasury, upon the ground that the I the Administration, or to any private interests. 13 But, sir, some have been asked-how many 1 do $ "It will be well,however, to premise that, under no cirnot know, and a fetw have given their opinions. cumrtances, and at whatever cost, can a steam-vessel, built Of those, as I have said, the three whose names I expressly for the transportation of freight or passengers, Of those, as I have said, the three whose names I be made, in any manner, equal in convenience and efihave mentioned, seem to be all who have spoken ciency to a vessel originally intended for war purposes, favorably-certainly all who have been relied upon even assuming that the materials of which the respective as authority to sustain the naval character of these vessels are constructed are in all respects equal. And for ship.I repeat, Sir, that, to my mind, this is the obvious reason, that in the construction of a vessel of ships. repeat, sir, that, to my mind, this is war, from the laying of the keel, every part of the vessel is, both surprising and significant-surprising that in the progress of completion, nlade subservient to the acso small a foundation handlarrangement of the armament, the safelarge a superstructure as has been attempted to bkeeping of the munitions, provisions, water, &c., and the larg upon at berthing of the several classes of officers, and the crew; build upon it; significant of the general condem- while in mail or packet steamers-in this country-no prepnation which the officers of our Navy have given arations are made for any armament, the ingenuity of the to this new system. builder being alone taxed to render them extravagantly And of these three witnesses who have been showy and best adapted for the accommodation of numerous brought forward for these ships, Commodore Per- ers and the stowe of freight." ry is the first in rank, and perhaps the first in " Question first.'VVhether the steamships employed in authority. And even he is summoned by both' the transportation of the United States mail, under conthe prosecution and defense. The Senator from'tract with the Navy Department, or anly other steamships the prosecution and defense. The Senator from employed in the transportation of our foreign mails,-are, Texas, [Mr. RuSKE, as now the leading advocate''in all respects, suitable for immediate conversion inlto of this line, quotes him to prove that these ships' steamers fobr war purposes, capable of carrying the armahave been properly constructed, and may, at no' ment or battery appropriate to the class specified in the' contract?' great additional cost, be adapted to "war pur- "In answer to the foregoing [first] question, I am of opinposes." But, then, he is also quoted by the Sen- ion that they are'not in all respects suitable.'" ator from Virginia, [Mr. HUNTER,] to show that the witness's own statement is exceedingly in- if It should be taken into view that those mail steamers, if called into service as war vessels, would be considered definite and unsatisfactory. It is true e does as forming an auxiliary force to the regularly-contstructed say, as quoted by the Snator from Texas, in ships, and hence the impolicy of expending much money speaking of the Baltic, (and I take her as the best, on them. The requisites of sound hulls and powerful enand this as the summary of the best he has said gines, with efficient armaments, should alone be considered, and this as the summary of ther:) has said leaving superfluous ornament out of the question." of her:) ", Although not in accordance with every particular stipu- So much for Commodore Perry as a witness lation of the contract, as has already been made known to in this case. I make no question of his candor the Department, by the superintendent in charge, she i either of constructed of suitable dimensions, build, and finish, to conform with the contract forcarrying the mails on her destined he has here made. I am only dealing with his route, and with the preparations and additions of suitable statements as 1 find them. It will be observed war appointments, she could be easily converted into awar that his last statements, as here quoted on each steamer of the first class."_November 25, 1850. side, are of the same date, February 18, 1852. February 18, 1852, he says: Let those reconcile their discrepancy who can. eAccording to my calculation, theecost of the conversiot If it may be said to preponderate on either side, 1 of either of the before-mentioned vessels, exclusive of arma- think t s against ese ships-certainly against ments, repair of machinery, and ordinary repair, would not, or certainly ought not, exceed, for steamers of the first class, the system under which they were contracted for. $20,o00, and for those of the second class, $15,000; and it But, upon the whole, I think he has so far ridcould be readily done for this at any of our navy-yards, pro- den on " both sides of the sapling" at the same vided that useless alterations were not made. * * * may well be dispensed "The armaments of the respective vessels would, of time, that his testimony may well be dispensed course, be a separate cost; and to arrange the guns on the with altogether. And feel very sure that, in a upper deck, it would only be required to close up three or court of justice where the "rights of person or of four of the hatches or sky-lights; to strengthen the deck by property" were to be decided between individuals, additional beams and stanchions; to cut ports, and construct the pivot and other carriages; probably it might be although a very technical judge might admit his desirable to shift the capstan and cables." statements to sustain some "special plea" upon But here, again, as quoted on the other side by that verylucid and elastic phrase "war purposes;" the Seniator from Virginia, he says: yet any intelligent and fair-minded jury, who de" The mail steamers of the contracts of Howland & As- sired to ascertain the real merits of the case, would pinwall, of George Law, and of E. K. Collins, can be easily certainly "set him aside." But, I confess, I have converted into war steamers for temporary service, in some curiosity to see an experiment tried upon the cases of particular emergency. These vessels, with little Commodore himself, and that is, to offer him this strengthening of the decks, can be made to carry each a -,, few guns of heavy caliber, and may be rendered useful to convoy, in the transportation of troops, carrying dispatches, ron, with which he is going out as a missionary conveying public functionaries, &c., &c.; but their service to the isolated Japanese, to whom, it seems, for could only be contingent, and, as before remarked, temposome mysterious purpose, supposed to be political, " The cost of converting them to war purposes would be our present Federal Executive deems it salutary large, and in no respect would they be as economical, or to administer a little./merican opiunl, or something in any way equal to vessels built expressly for Government stronger, from the muzzles of certain heavy guns service; nor should they, in my opinion, interfere in the upon "land carriages." I apprehend the expeleast with the organization and gradual increase of an efficient and permanent steam navy. The use of steamships rienced Commodore would hardly risk them for in ouir future naval operations must inevitably change in a even such " war purposes" as that. If he did, I great degree the art of naval war. Indeed ino one can im- should regard him as a fit companion for those agine what changes will be effected, as well upon the ocean famous three wise men of Gotham, who went to as upon the land, by means of the new agencies which have been more practically developed within the last quarter of sea in a bowl." a century." —.pril 9, 1850. I observe, here, another thing that seems signifiExtracts from a letter to the Secretary of the cant. It is the peculiar character of the certificates Navy, from Commodore M. C. Perry, of 18th of which JMr. John Lenthall (whom I take to be a February, 1852: naval constructor) appends to the Commodore's 14 several reports in favor of the several ships of * * * * * "The steamers of Mr. Colthis line. lins's line, now in progress of construction, will cost $550,000 Mr. STOCKTON, (in his seat.) He is among each. Yet the boilers of these vessels, and all the other mail steamers, are of iron, their hulls are not constructed the ablest and most experienced of our naval con- of live-oak, and the vessels are without the spars, rigging, structors. armament and equipment of naval steamers." * * Mr. BORLAND. I have no doubt of it. Then, "1 The first mail steamers have proved inadequate to their service, from the insufficiency of their construction; and M.M~r. Lenthall says: after but two and a half years' service, and at a cost of re" I concur in this report, as to her being a mail steamer pairs and alterations exceeding their first cost, they are now of the first class.' incapable of any useful naval purpose; they, therefore, an And he says no more. But that is a point that ignorance of their worthlessness existing, are estimated in no one questions. 1" Mail steamers of the first our means of naval defenses; and when required for such purpose, the dependence would prove as disastrous to our class" we admit them to be. It is their being national interests as their construction has been to our prosuitable for "war purposes," that we question fessional reputation as constructors and engineers." and deny. This gentleman seems cautious and prudent in his certificate, and is, no doubt, reliable, Upon the points touched upon so far, I think the testimony overwhelming and conclusive, to I shall have occasion to use his testimony upon prove that these ships are not suitable for war another point in this connection, presently.ese ships are not suitable for " war Next comes Captain Skiddy, upon whom the purposes.' honorable Senator from Texas [Mr. RUSK] lays In respect to the means and mode of propelling great stress. I find his statements coincide, sub- ocean steamers, and especially as to the mode stantially, with those of Commodore Perry, in adopted in these ships,.here is difference of opinstantially, with those of Commodore Perry, in ion. But in teference to that mode, as connected favor of these particular ships; with this advant- i on. Bu t in reference to tha t m ode, as connected age for them, that he does not contradict himself. war purposes," the weight of testimony is Mr. Francis Grice, a naval constructor, isthe ~ still more against them, if that be possible, than third authority upon whom the advocates of these upon the other points I have already examined. ships rest their claims to be suitable for " war I allude particularly here to the difference bepurposes." Well, he is a good witness for the tween the "side wheels, or paddles," and the parties who have introduced him, to the extent of " screw," usually called the propeller." All his competency and credibility; for he certifies to these ships of the Collins line are "paddle-wheels. I do not know that I can better express my own all they desire-to rather more, I apprehend, than the Senator from North Carolina [Mr. BADGER] opinion upon this. point than by quoting a short believes to be true. He was first introduced by paragraph from the speech of the honorable Senthe Senator from New Jersey, [Mr. MILLER,] ator from Ohio, [Mr. WADE,] delivered here last and afterwards by the Senator from North Carolina. He is clearly in, for all sorts of" war pur- I know nothing of war or of naval operations, nor do I pD ~,s" sprofess to know anything about them; but any man of the poses. least common sense, at the very first glance at these steamI now come to the witnesses on the other side. ers, would perceive that they were not designed for the It will be remembered that Commodore Perry has purposes of war. Nor are they compatible with it at all. been " set aside," or stands neutral as to the ships; Why, one cannon-all, raking the paddle-teheels-whicl form a most palpable mark-of one of those steamers, and is against the system. would cripple her as effectually as a man could cripple a First, then, on this side, I introduce an extract goose on the wing. Talk about their utility as vessels of from the report of Commodore Charles William war! I know they would not be of the slightest use." Skinner, to the Secretary of the Navy: Nor, sir, does the Senator from Ohio stand ", 7. What is the best instrument for propelling commer- alone in this opinion; for, without counting mycial ocean steamers, the paddle-wheel or submerged screw? self, there is high and decisive authority fo giving and do these instruments require different models for the self, there hull? the "screw" the preference over the "paddles," "' Jnswer. The paddle-wheel is generally considered the particularly for "war purposes," and indeed for best instrument of propulsion where speed is required; but all purposes of ocean navigation, especially on lbr the purposes of war the screw would be preferable, and long voyages. But, in view of the obvious nathey do require different models.long voyages. But, in view of the obvious na"'8. Do you consider commercial ocean steamers, as now ture of the case itself, it seems to me that but built, convertible at once into war steamers, and capable of little authority is needed beyond ordinary powers efficiently performing war service into war ste of observation, and a fair allowance of common 1 A.nswer. They cannot be convertedinto war steamers without great expense, and then they would be inferior to sense, to enable and compel any man to determine those designed solely for that purpose." for himself that this must be so. When we conThis, I think, will do for a set-off to Captain sider that the paddle-wheels of a steamer are a Skiddy. "most palpable mark," as expressed by the SenSecond, comes Mr. Haswell, Chief Engineer of ator from Ohio-a mark that could hardly be our Navy. His testimony, I apprehend, will missed by an enemy's shot; and further, that stand a comparison with that of Mr. Grice. It is upon those wheels depend the whole means the this: ship possesses to make her way through the " With alarge majority of the commercial ocean steam- water, the conclusion seems to me equally palpaers now built, the proportions, capacities, and construction ble with the wheels, that the whole fabric is most of their hulls, and the design and arrangement of their engines and boilers, are such as to render them incapable of exposed in its most vital part, and i constantly efficient and economical war service, without incurring ar liableto becrippledand knockedup by a singleshot, expenditure in alterations and a loss of time that would not, or at most, by a couple of shots, from an enemy's except in cases of national emergency, be at all repaired gun. Brak te wheels of the largest and best apby the ultimate durability of the hulls of the vessels i a their n ready transfer to, or in their economical performance of inted steamer which floats upon the Atlanticactive.service." "the beautiful Baltic," if you please, even best * * * * * "They are so deficient in adapted to "'war purposes," and such an accident stability, withoumt the spars and armament of a naval steam- might easily happen from a single cannon shoter, that it is necessary to:depress them beyond theirintended limits, in order to effect their passages with the probability and she would, deed, lie like "a crippled goose" of security." upon the waters, rolling, helpless in the trough of 16 the sea. And I apprehend that he who had "From the superficial examinations I had the opportu"'gone down to the sea" in her, would feel very oity of making, these ships appeared in about the same degree of readiness for immediate conversion into steamers much like a crippled goose, also, as he lay at the for war purposes as merchant ships, according to their size mercy of the enemy's fire, unable to attack, un- and speed, are into frigates or other classes of ships of war able to escape! possessing the advantages common to large vessels Of a On the contrary, the "screw-propellers" are capacity permitting, if required, the additional materials necessary, and the armament and equipments required to be perfectly safe in this respect. All their machinery placed on board to make them war vessels." is below the "water line," and the screw itself is Then, here is English authority upon the same deeply submerged below the stern of the ship; deeply submerged below the stern of the ship; subject, and from a source entitled to the highest thus not only securing all the motive power respect: against the reach of danger, but leaving the deck flush, and the broadsides of the ship to be filled Extracts from the "Jinutes of Evidence taken before with guns, as in the regular man-of-war; and the Select Committee on Steam.N'avy," ordered by permitting the hull to be fashioned after such a t British House of Commons in 1849. model as shall best give strength and facility of At page 73 of the printed reportW is the testi motion. mony of Captain W. H. Henderson, R. N., C. And here I had as well add, that in the side- B., as follows: wheel ships, it is not alone the " paddles" that are "' 741. Do you think that vessels of that packet class, whexposedl sibutptheentisnet inelf the wolem acnery taking a superior class of vessels, might be made useful in exose.d, but the engine itself, the hole machinery the case of war, for channel purposes and protecting our of motion, is above the water. This, it is true, Is coast, and for looking out? Very useful. mainly covered by the upper decks, a very frail "742. But not to supersede men-of-war? No; I concovering at best, while the vessel remains, as she sider that they are a different kind of vessel; they are made for working against the head winds of the Atlantic, aind was built, a merchant ship or mail steamer. But they are underrigged, and are not intended for sailing." everybody concurs in the statement, and we all know the fact, that the first step towards convert- At page 81, same report, is the testimony of ing such a ship into a vessel-of-war, must be to Captain H. D. Chads, R. N., as follows: remove those upper decks; and although such pro- " 892. Do you think that they would supersede the use of tection as they afforded was almost nominal, yet steamships built expressly as ships-of-war? I should aptection as they ~alfforded was almost nominal, yet prehend that we should make a sad mistake if we attempted their removal certainly, completely, and at once, to do away with our own. I think that under no circumexposes all the machinery, as well as the paddles, stances could you apply them as men-of-war, strictly in the to every kind of missile from an enemy. And meaningoftheterm'men-of-War.' "893. You do not conceive that they are so well adapted there is no remedy for the evils of this exposure. for fighting purposes, and for keeping company with fleets, The position of the machinery cannot be shifted. as ships that are built for the Royal Navy? I apprehend When the ship was built, every part and appur- that they would be always required to be under steam, to tenance designed to be permanent, was placed in keep company with our fleet; I do not think, from their rig, that they have sufficient canvas to enable them to keep its appropriate position, and accurately adjusted to way with our vessels without steaming; that they would every other portion, so as to secure due concert be constantly under a certain portion ofsteam, consequently of action among the several parts, and the greatest their coals would be soon exhausted.;' power and facility of motion, as a whole. If any At page 89, of same report, is the testimony of of the material conditions of this arrangement be Rear-Admiral Sir Charles Napier, K. C. B., as changed, the equilibrium will be disturbed and the follows: harmony of parts destroyed. The upper decks ", 1015. Would you confine the use of those vessels to are originally intended to be removed, upon oc- the channel, or would you make use of them by sending casion, and are constructed accordingly. When them abroad into our Colonies? I do not think they would removed, this beautiful bird of the sea, to which be fit to go abroad with that fitting, which I think they ought to have at all times, because it is too late to begin to they had before given some pretense of shelter and fit when the enemy is on your shores. I do not think they protection, must go forth entirely naked and ex- would be fit to go abroad, because they would be too small, posed, alike in her wings and her vitals, or she and as the greater number of large ones would be abroad at cannot go forth at all. the time, you would not be able to get hold of them." But I said there was good authority for these From similar sources the honorable Senator opinions-and I am not aware of any against them. from Virginia [Mr. HUNTER] makes the fallowing And here I will introduce Mr. Lenthall again. brief, but pregnant summary: Extracts from Mr. John Lenthall's letter to,"I omitted the testimony of Lieutenant Roberts, of the Commodore C. W. Skinner, dated 18th of Febru- English navy, in 1848. He was asked whether the American steamers could carry guns? He said, no better than ary, 1852: their own, and not quite so well as their own merchant "I would, in the first place, state, that there is some steamers. I say, that these facts prove undoubtedly, that, doubt whether a side-wheel steamer can be made into a war according to the opinions of all, or almost all, the pr ofessteamer of the first class. sional men of eminence, both in the British Navy and in " The machinery of such a steamer should be placed be- ours-and my friend from Florida (Mr. MALLORY] tells me low the level of common dangers from shot;, and to enable that such also is the practice and opinion in the French her to become a cruiser requires that she should be a per- Navy-it is considered that no other steamer is fit for purfect sailing vessel in all respects-not only in the power of poses of war except the screw-propeller." the sail, but also in its position. The ftllness of the ex- And then, the same Senator condenses his opintremities should be such that the motions of pitching andand clearl, and sustain it so conascending may be within moderate limits, and they should ion so forcibly and clearly, and sustains it so conbe able to support the heavy guns at their extremities, clusively in another short paragraph, that I must which are deemed essential to their armament. It is desir- be permitted to substitute his words for my able that they should be fast vessels, but they must be capable of using as well as carrying their armament; and as no other quality can compensate for a deficiency in this, it be- "I am authorized in saying, from all that I can see, and comes a primary consideration." from all that I canl learn, that it is now an admitted fact * * * * * * "The words'suitable amongst professional men, that steamers with the paddlefor immediate conversion into steamers for war purposes,' I wheel cannot be made efficient war-steamers-that the understand to mean the state in which an actual ship of screw-propeller is the only mode of making a war-steamer war would be if temporarily employed in carrying the mail- which can be efficient. That is distinctly proved as the of passengers. opinion of those English officers who were examined at the 16 time to which I have referred. I have recently read a book merchant service; and Mr. Ward said that they had anof great interest, written by Captain Halstead, of the British swered perfectly, in the Holland trade, when they had been Navy, in 1850, in which he demonstrates that fact. The tried. He was asked in 1848:' Are you aware whether it screw-steamer is superior for these reasons: 1. She can has become common in the merchant service to use the carry a whole broadside, which a paddle-wheel steamer screwt-propeller?' He answered: cannot carry. 2. Her machinery can be effectually pro- "' It is extending in the merchant service, and has protected from shot-and I am told that it was but last year, or' duced some very curious results. The experiments had the year before, that a British paddle-wheel steamer was' been particularly successful in the case of those small disabled by a single shot fired from a slaver off the coast of' schooners which are built for the trade with Holland, and Africa. 3. She can go to sea with a much less supply of'then they seem to have succeeded completely. They have coal, for she uses steam only as an auxiliary power to sails.' engines which occupy only one seventh of the vessel, She is capable of being built upon the finest models for' while the engines ofthe Blenheim occupy nearly one third. strength and speed, which cannot be done with the side-' And they attain very considerable speed, eight knots, eight paddle, because the necessity of carrying the armament'and a half knots, and nine knots. The screw is never fore and aft impairs the force of the ship."'raised. The apertures are all immersed, and the voyage'of two hundred and sixty miles, upon a long series of exI must here say, that I am not indebted to my ~ periments, averages about thirty-six hours.' own research for most of the facts and authorities," I was shown, this morning, a letter just received from which I have cited and relied upon. 1 have already Boston, from a gentleman of high authority and great exsaid to the Senate that I: have drawn largely, asP perience in such matters, who says: said to the Senate that I have drawn largely, as I,,'My opinion is so strongly in favor of propelling with rely with confidence, in this respect, upon my' strong auxiliary steam, that I believe if two steamers were honorable friend from Virginia, [Mr. HUNTER.]'to be sent on a survey, or a naval cruise of any kind, the I have had his kind permission to do so, and avail'paddle starting to-day, and the propellerbeing laid down a' month hence, at the end of eighteen months the latter would myself of the privilege to take from one of his late'be ahead in her work, at a cost fifty per cent. less! In speeches the following extracts:' short, the paddle must be constantly near the coal-yard' and the machine-shop, while the other would be inde" Extract from note accompanying the letter from Com-' pendent of both.' modore Perry, of 18th February, 1852, from which the above Indeed, e says much to jutify the opinion that the extracts were taken: screw-propeller, as an auxiliary, is destined to make a rev-'" The deterioration of ocean mail steamers growing out olution in the merchant service. It is a fact of which I have' of wear and tear and gradual decay, notwithstanding every no sort of doubt. I was told, on Monday, at the Navy De-'possible repair, may be estimated at five per cent. per an- partment, that they had made a comparison of the log of the'num for live-oak ships-perhaps a trifle less."' San Jacinto,' before her machinery broke down, with the " I could go further, and produce you the same sort of log of the' Saranac;' the' San Jacinto' being a propeller, testimony from other sources; but that is enough. I know and the' Saranac' a side-wheel steamer. The' Saranac' the friends of the amendment rely upon a letter which Com- beat the' San Jacinto' less than three per cent. in point of modore Perry wrote, and which, I suspect, is to be inter- speed, while the superiority, in every other respect, was preted into an opinion that the ships might suit for tempo- with the' San Jacinto." rary purposes-for transportation, and kindred services. I "' So that if we are to expend the money which ought to looked into the proceedings of the special committee to be expended in the gradual increase of the Navy in thus which I have referred, raised in the British Parliament, in keeping up side-wheel merchant steamers, we will not 1848, upon the subject of steamships, and I found there the only expend it in a service to which it will not be ultimately same opinion expressed by Captain Henry D. Chads, and useful, but we take away a fund which is necessary, in by captain Henderson, and by Admiral Napier, all of the order to increase the Navy in a mode which will be useful Royal Navy. They said that their merchant steamers to it, and which will enable us to exercise our officers. could not supersede the war steamers, and were not equal Why, what is our policy in relation to the Navy? We seek to them for war purposes. They all said that such steam- to maintain just such a Navy, and no more, as will preserve ers were not fit to send abroad, and would burn out all their the police of the seas, so far as it is incumbent on us to coal before they could get abroad. But they said-what is maintain that police. We also keep up a skeleton arrangetrue in their country-that they might be eminently ser- ment, capable of extension and expansion in time of war. viceable for purposes of defense in time of an invasion-to To make that skeleton arrangement efficient, it is indispensdefend the Channel in case their country should be in- able that we should have all possible means of exercising vaded. It is evident that this examination was made under and training our young officers. How can we do it, if we great apprehensions of a French invasion, for their inqui- expend the money on steamers to be commanded by merries seemed to be directed to that contingency. Upon chant captains? And that is the case, I understand, with being questioned, in order to ascertain whether they could these Collins steamers. Ought we not to expend the money make war steamers out of those ships, Captain Clads said, which we can devote to such services upon war steamers that if they were strengthened, fore and aft, so as to make of proper models, and with proper machinery, so that our them capable of carrying guns, they would lose the quality officers may command them, and be exercised in a steamer of superior speed; and he intimated that a British war with all her appointments, and complete as to machinery, steamer was not much more valuable for the quality of s- sails, and battery?" perior speed, if she was not able to fight anything of her cost and size. Of what advantage was that to her, but to The Secretary of the Navy, Mr. Graham himrun away?-and was that a quality which was valued in a self, who seems to be in some sort relied upon by British steamer? Sir, if that is a quality which is not tobe.friends in support of this line, is compelled valued in a British steamer, I Wvould ask whether it should ts be highly valued in an American steamship of war? evidently with reluctance, to admit, from the dis" Now, if you will look to the testimony of Commodore cussions and testimony of competent naval officers, Perry, you will find that he had some ideas of the same c" that vessels of this description cannot be relied on sort, for he italicizes the words "for temporary purposes." And why for temporary purposes? You could not use to supersede those modelled and built only for purposes them long. They would soon burn out their coal and use of war." The highest merit he claims for them is up their fuel. They could not carry guns enough for any that, while " a limited number of them may be emextensive service." ployed inime o peace in he trnsort of the " I find, too, that in the examination, in England, in 1848, Lord Auckland says the English are using the screw- mail," they might also be useful upon " the propeller* to a large extent, as an auxiliary power in the breaking out of war," as " transports for troops and * " Extracts from a work entitled' The Screw-fleet of the' and then it calls upon all of us to pay for the expense of Navy,' by Captain E. P. Halstead, of the English Navy.' burning them.' He commends the adoption of screw-ships in the Brazil "And again, he says, at page 89: mail service, for the following reasons: At page 87- "' I am not in error when I state that the practical differ"' Because it is a principle which is capable of reducing' ence between paddle propulsion and screw propulsion,' public expenditure, at the same time that itimprovesgen-' that is to say, between large ships carrying large cargoes' eral commerce. Because it takes less out of the public' of coal and small cargoes of goods, amounts to this, viz:' purse, and puts more into private ones, while paddle pro-' That the auxiliaries are able to make a profitable return' pulsion draws very largely upon both; for, instead of car-'upon freights which are twenty-two per cent. lower than' rying goods, the paddle is compelled to carry coals only,'those demanded by the full powered steamer.', 17 munitions qof war;" but he looks to using them in I trasts somewhat strongly in appearance, it is true, no higher naval capacity than in the way men- with the high pretensions under which they got the tioned, and as a sort of occasional " privateers or Government and themselves into the present diffiguerrillas of the ocean;" but only then "fitted with culty. Yet is not so unnatural a transition after all; such armaments as could be readily put on board, even for mendicity and self-abasement form no unusual in their present condition. " This is his own lan- sequel to high pretensions, and magnificent display. guage, in his report of March 8, 1852, in which Itisintimatedthatthereisadisposition,somewhere, he was evidently endeavoring to say all in their to disregard the good faith of the Government in favor which conscience would permit. Under this case, and ruin Collins & Co. by a violation of these circumstances, he not only does not pretend their contract. Now, sir, it is as well that we should that these ships can be substituted for our vessels understand one another, and that the country, and of war, but he expressly says they " cannot be re- Mr. Collins too, should understand us all, upon lied on" for any such purpose. Mark, sir, this is this point. Where, I ask, has any disposition said by the Secretary, in an official report, designed been manifested, anywhere in Congress, to violate as the basis of Congressional action, and from the this contract, or to make its conditions even hard, best professional advice which his command of the upon Collins & Co.? I deny any such wish or whole Navy could enable him to procure. intention, for myselV, and for those with whom I Now, what is the natural and unavoidable in- am acting. Nor, sir, has any such wish or intenference from all this? A Senator here and there tion been evinced on any occasion, or in any remay rise in his place, and tell me that he believes spect whatever. The suggestion, that there has "these ships are as good for war purposes as any been any such thing in existence, is as unfounded ships in the Navy." But, while I admit the in truth, as the claims of this company, to further honesty of that belief, and highly respect the gen- favor at the hands of Congress, are unfounded in eral information and intelligence of those who en- merit. This last, I think, has been pretty clearly tertain it, yet, to receive that for proof which shall shown already; and will, I further think, be placed disprove so much that is based on established facts beyond dispute, before I have done with it. and sustained by reason, is rather too large a pill "The contract!" Well, sir, what of the confor my credulity and'complaisance, combined, to tract? Gentlemen seem to forget its terms and swallow at a single dose. Opinion and belief will conditions, as well as the circumstances under not do for this occasion. Proof is required-it is which it was entered into, and the manner of its indispensable. If it existed, the Secretary of the prosecution. To prevent misapprehension, it is Navy, together with this very astute company, well we should recur to them. I have nothing parwould certainly have it here before us. But it is ticular to say of the beginning of this affair, when not here; and though called for time and again, it it was originally begged and bored through Conis not forthcoming. I can infer only that it does gress. That was before my day here, and comes not exist. down to me as a part of the unwritten history of Surely I have said enough upon this problem of those times, from those who were here, and ob" war purposes," especially in reference to the servers of what took place. But I am sure it has Collins line of " paddle-wheels." I consider the not been exaggerated to me, from my own obserproblem solved. It certainly is to my own con- vation since I came-especially in the advance of viction. For the reasons I have adduced, and money for building these ships, and the extension many others which might be brought forward, of the time for completing them-and still more and which, I think, make proof, both circumstan- vividly in view of what has been going on all this tial and positive, completeagainstthem, Iconclude session, and is now at work. I allude to that that the ships of this line are not, in the true and " great external pressure," which the honorable proper sense, suitable for war purposes, and that, Senator from Michigan [Mr. CASs] reminded us to answer such purposes to any really important of the other day, and which I have already likened or useful extent, can never be made so. The Sen- to a huge snake, involving and compressing us in ator from North Carolina was right, therefore, its powerful folds. But these considerations, much when he openly abandoned the ground that they as they disgusted me before, and humiliate me were so, and proposed directly to turn them over now, do not affect my opinion of the contract itself, to the'Post Office Department. And the remark of nor will they influence my course in regard to it. the Senator from Texas was also true, whether he So far as it is a contract, l will observe its terms intended to be so understood or not, that the con- and conditions, myself, as fully and as firmly as nection of this line with the Navy was " seeming, any man who voted for it. And sir, I will go a and only seeming." step further, which some of those who have voted Upon this ground, then, of" war purposes," for it do not seem disposed to go-and that is, I this enterprise, however meritorious in other re- will make the other parties observe it too. But spects, is a failure, and must be abandoned. It is further than that, on either side, I will not go. not exempt from the operation of the same rule, I ask, again, what are the terms and conditions therefore, which, in our ordinary legislation, we of this amuch-vaunted contract? Here are the apply to other navigating and commercial interests; facts: In November, 1847, Collins & Co., under and, therefore, it has no just claim to this allow- the act of March 3d of that year, contracted to ance out of the Treasury. build, and have ready for service, five ships of a And here, Mr. President, I think it not improp- specified character,four of them at the expiration er to notice what has seemed to me a somewhat of eighteen months, and the fifth " as early as may extraordinary feature in the discussion of this be practicable thereafter;" and for the service bf question. Intimations have been thrown out by these ships, in carrying the United States mails the friends of this measure, that Collins & Co. are across the Atlantic, the United States to pay them very ill-used individuals-suffering patriots, and #385,000 a year, in quarterly payments, to begin threatened victims, as it were, in their country's after the service had commenced. This is the first cause! Well, sir, such an attitude, for them, con- contract. It binds both parties to do certain things. 18 The obligation is reciprocal. It is binding equally allel in its transactions, and passively complying upon the company and the United States. And, to every demand? What has it refused? Or, bear in mind, sir, it was a contract, in all its terms rather, what has it not granted and agreed to, in and conditions, into which Collins & Co. actu- every particular of terms, time, and money, which ally begged, and bored, and teased the Congress, this company demanded? Mr. Collins's tongue upon the earnest and reiterated assurance, that they seems to have been gifted with the spell of" open could and would execute it promptly and faithfully. sesame," to the heart of Congress and the doors Well, what was the result? Why, sir, before half of the Treasury; and surely he has not been idle the time had expired, at the end of which they in its use. Three times has he uttered the magic were to have four of these ships ready for service, phrase, and as often have we all said "ay," and (under this much-coveted contract of their own the public coffers given up their gold. Cui bono? proposing,) this very sagacious company dis- What part of the public interest hits been promoted covered that they had not the ability to execute by all this? For whose benefit has it all been their contract at all. So here theycomeback upon done? Has it realized the expectations for the Congress, representing that unless we extended public s'ervice, upon the hypothesis of which we them some relief and assistance, the whole scheme authorized this contract to be made? Or has it must fall through and end in smoke. Then, to relieved us of these pressing demands upon our carry out this addition to their scheme, there com- time and attention, or saved the Treasury from menced another series of begging and boring. I these perpetual drains? No, sir, no! But, it is speak of this from my own observation, and it is a fact beyond dispute, and patentto the world, that familiarly known to the Senate. The result of this this company, themselves, have disregarded the was a provision in the naval appropriation bill, of terms of their contract from the beginning; and, August 3, 1848, authorizing the Secretary of the in almost every essential particular, have set it at Navy to advance to Collins & Co. $25,000 a month defiance. Its fundamental, and still subsisting, for each of their ships, to enable them to build condition has been left out of view; and seems them; that is, $100,000 a month for the four ships now, indeed, to be impossible of execution. And, until they should be completed and ready for ser- at every session, since the thing began, we have vice. This was consummated under asupplemental been besetby them, with the cry of "help me,Cascontract, dated February 6, 1849. With this sius, or I sink!" This cry has come up from the concession, which was all they pretended to ask ocean, as if from throats fast filling with the bitter for then, and far more than they had asked for in brine; and the other week we heard it gurgling, the beginning, this company expressed themselves as if from one going down, for the last time, besatisfied, and gave renewed assurances of a speedy neath the tide of near Potomac. Indeed, I never, and faithful performance of their contract. But, nowadays, cross the bridge, in walking on the again, what was the result? Why, sir, a month Avenue, without listening for the voice of some had not elapsed, perhaps not a day, before they drowning Caesar, from the fetid waters of our own'discovered again that they were unable to fulfill little Tiber. And just as often as we have heard their contract, and we had them upon us again, this cry, just so often have we given help. Let even more clamorous than before; thus proving, us beware, lest the parallel be extended; and ere it would seem, that concessions of advantage to long we find that we have as little cause as Casthe speculator, like blood upon the tongue of a sius had, to rejoice in the charity of helping a wolf; instead of appeasing, but serves to make his tyrant to the land. Not that I fear Mr. Collins, appetite ravenous for more. And so actively did or his line, for any direct or immediate mischief they work, and sturdily beg, that from the 6th of he may do, even if he shall get the millions he February to the 3d of March,'some twenty-five now demands. No, sir, I have no fears of that. days, they got a provision in the naval appropria- But, there is good cause to fear that, if we recogtion bill, of the latter date, allowing them an exten- nize the principle which his demand involves, as sion of time to June 1, 1850, in which to finish a rule of action for the Congress, we shall, thereby, their ships and begin their service; in the mean have set up a power over us, not less subversive time, the advance of $100,000 a month to them to of the principles of the Constitution, and destructcontinue. ive to the just and equal rights of the people, than This is a true history of the transactions, under was the usurpation of Caesar to the liberties of that famous contract, up to the beginning of this Rome. session of Congress; when it had reached its third " The contract!" Call you this a contract? By reading, with amendments at every stage, and whom has it been recognized as binding? Surely, each of them against the United States, and in not by this company. They have not complied favor of Collins & Co.! And these are the un- with its conditions from the beginning; and they protected, persecuted, sufferingindividuals, whose have told us often, and they tell us now, they canmodesty and patriotism, have brought them under not comply with it. Nay, more, that unless we the heel of a hard and grasping Government! change it, they must give it up. I say this upon Commend me to such modesty and patriotism! Of authority; at any rate, upon an authority which a truth, I know no parallel to them, unless it be this company will not dispute, and are bound to found in the standard moderation of those gentle recognize. I say it upon the authority of the Sendaughters of the horse-leech, whose incessant cry ator from New York, [Mr. SEWARD,] who is the is, " Give! give " Fidus./lchates and.1jax combined, of this company No'one can deny these facts, or dispute the on this floor-their friend in counsel and their statements I have based upon them. They are champion in fight. In his speech in their behalf, from the official records here before me. Contem- on the 27th of last month, in showing their condiplate the picture they present! Has Congress tion,hesaid: been niggardly in its disposition, or hard in its,' They further show that a capital of.$3,000,000 invested dealings, with this company? Has it not, on the has paid no dividends, and been reduced, by inevitable contrary, been liberal to a degree without a par- losses, to a little n;ore than $2,500,000; that their stock is 19 sold, in Wall street, at fifty cents on a dollar; and that, to secure the freedom and efficiency of its vitality even if they would, yet they cannot dispatch another ship or a mnail after the 15th of May next."aa and vigor, by a frequent periodical recurrence to the source of all legitimate power-the elective Here, sir, is their confession, in the most direct franchise. Without repudiating the very principle and emphatic manner, made by their authorized upon which they were assembled, and stultifying organ and advocate, before the Senate, in the pros- themselves, the framers of the Constitution could ecution of their claim. In the face of this confes- not, as they did not, mar, with such a solecism as sion, call you this a " contract "-a subsisting and the grant of such a power as this, the perfection of binding obligation? Why, sir, it is but the name those fair tablets of political law they have transof such a thing in mockery. It has not one sin- mitted to us, and which, in my heart, I religiously gle substantial quality of a valid contract; or, if it believe were, from "the burning bush" of our ever had, it has been excluded by the purposed Revolution, delivered to our fathers, by the hand violation of one of the parties. Nihil, nihil! even of Inspiration itself. as reduced in the derivation, being ni-less, hilum, I know, sir, but too well, that such considerthan a bean-chaff! Ay, sir, " less and lighter than ations as these have often been disregarded, and a bean-chaff;" and blown away by the first breath the great principle I have mentioned has been vioof reason. It has hardly the form of such an in- lated, in the exercise of the very power I deny. strument left to commend it to one moment of re- Banks, and corporations of an humbler grade, and spect. A contract is reciprocal in its terms, and contracts almost innumerable, lie as thick upon binding equally upon both parties, or it is no con- the course of Congressional legislation, as did the tract at all. When violated by one of the parties, black stones along the path of the children of the it is, virtually, at an end for both; or, if it be per- eastern King, and are just as clamorous when we mitted to continue for the benefit of either, it is will not, like those who have preceded us, forget only at the sufferance of the one who has faith- the lessons of the good Dervise, whom we had fully observed it. From the moment, then, that consulted at the start. I trust there are some this company came before us, and, avowing their here, yet, who will follow the example of those inability to execute their part of the contract, asked wise children, a(nd stop their ears with leaves us to alter its conditions for their relief, it ceased from the Constitution; for thus alone will any of to be binding upon us, and has continued ever us be able to save ourselves, and protect the counsince, and is subsisting now, only at our suffer- try, against these dangerous clamors which assail ance. At any time since that moment, it has been us here, on every side. voidable to us; and we may now, rightfully, de- But, sir, seeing that the Constitution has thus dare it absolutely void whenever we think the been disregarded, and that Congress has been so public interest requires it to be done; and, if we often degraded from its high functions of legisladid it in this very hour, the mouth of this com- tion, and reduced into a mere administrative bupany, by their own wrong, is closed forever against reau, what have been the consequences to the a single murmur of complaint. country? I appeal to the experienced members As will be readily inferred, Mr. President, by of this body-and to you, sir, the most experiall who hear me, I am not a lawyer. To my own enced of them all, for the truth of what I sayconsciousness of this, was once added a very sharp when I assert that in no instance when such reminder, by an eminent member of the bar, things were done, has the result ever failed to be when, in a political discussion, he told me that I productive of anything better than disappointment had learned my law from books very different to all good expectations; and mischief, more or from his. I confessed this to be as true, as that less serious and extensive, to the legitimate interthere was an equal difference between the books ests of the country. Beginning with the first from which we had, respectively, learned our pol- charter of the United States Bank, and descenditics. And so I would say now, in anticipationof ing through the whole series of minor monsters the musty tomes on "vested rights,"which,upon and monopolies to this model contract with the such avowals as I have made, I imagine starting to Collins line, vary its aspect, and disguise it as you the memory of certain learned members upon this will, the principle you violate is the same; and the floor. Sir, if I am not a lawyer-as certainly I evil you do is of the same general character, only am not-I nevertheless have read, with some care, less or more in proportion to the degree of force a brief, and to my mind, very comprehensive and you move it with. This is-it must be so, if God conclusive treatise on this doctrine of " vested govern his universe by laws. rights," arising under charters and contracts ema- Pardon me, Mr. President, if such general views nating from Congress. That treatise is from the as these be somewhat unusual in a speech upon pens of George Washington, and that body of this floor. They lie at the source of all my learned jurists and wise statesmen over whom he opinions, whether in law, in medicine, in morals, presided at Philadelphia, and bears date Septem- or in politics. It is my very being to believe that ber 17, 1787. It is entitled " The Constitution of punishment, often swift, sometimes slow, but the United States." In that treatise, sir-and it always certain, follows in the path of wrong, and is the fullest and highest authority with me-i falls with crushing power upon the violator of any find no power in Congress, expressly given, or of the laws of the creation, or constitution, of exnecessarily implied, to grant charters to individu- isting things; and has ever done so, from the als, or make contracts with them, of any kind; original sin of our first parents to the last instance certainly not to the extent of trammeling the action when any man has told a lie, in word or deed. of any subsequent Congress. Such a power is Surely, as I have said, the whole history of this repugnant to the very genius of the Government Government is strewn thick with proofs of this, that was then forming, and would have been fa- as with bleaching bones and still festering forms, is tally incongruous with all the other provisions of some vast battle-field; and, sad to say, it is as little its fundamental law. That genius is Popular and free from jackals and hyenas, which prowl about State representation; and all those provisions went it, to feast upon the corrupt and sickening spoils. 20 But, sir, to come back to particulars. I deny 1850, to May 17th, 1852. Upon the $750,000, that the Thirtieth or Thirty-first Congress, in the then, for these two years, during which time it way it has done, had any legitimate power to make has been withheld from investment, in violation of this contract with Collins & Co.; and even if it had, the contract, the interest amounts, as I said, to that it was binding upon this. So, even if that con- $90,000; and this they have saved. tract had been kept in good faith, in all respects, How much they may have saved from other by the company; and even if the enterprise it was and minor instances of violation of contract, I am designed to carry out had been entirely successful unable to ascertain with precision. I learn, howin securing all the public benefits it proposed, I ever, upon what I deem good authority, that they deny that there is upon this, the Thirty-second do not "carry, accommodate, and subsist,"as Congress, any constitutionally legal obligation to the contract requires, "four passed midshipmen, recognize or consummate it, because of its having and one mail agent, upon each of their ships." And been a contract with a preceding Congress. Com- further, that they have not provided suitable and mended to us, if it were, by the propriety of its secure apartments for the mails, as the contract reterms and the practical value of its conditions, we quires. What would be the sum of these sevmight adopt and continue it during this Congress eral items of expense, I have no means of estias a measure of wise expediency. And it is, of mating with precision. It cannot be less, I course, equally competent for us to repudiate this apprehend, than several thousand dollars a year. contract, and refuse to have anything whatever to Whatever it may be, however, it is so much saved do with it, if, upon investigation, it is not found to them; and, when added to the $90,000 of interworthy of adoption, whether by reason of its in- est, makes up a sum perhaps not less than herent defects, or of the bad faith or incompetency $100,000 per annum, which most men, of reasonof the other parties. I have not time, however, able desires, in this plain, republican country of nor is it necessary to my present purpose,to elabo- ours, would deem a good fortune for a lifetime. rate this view any further. But this sum is saved by this company, upon The question recurs as to the character of the these two items alone, every year,'and is either contract itself, the manner in which it has, so far, added to theirprofits, or deducted from their losses. been executed, and the propriety of continuing it, It will be apt to strike a plain man, of common especially upon the new conditions now proposed. sense, that if $100,000 a year will not cover the The leading considerations upon these points, I losses upon a business, it must be a very " bad have already endeavored to present. What I have business," and ought to be abandoned; or it is in here to say, relates to somewhat minor and inci- the hands of very "bad managers," and ought to dental points, which have been suggested by the be taken from them. friends of this measure, in the course of debate. The sums they have paid for building their ships As a consideration in behalf of this company, are set down at a very large amount-$750,000 and as strongly commending them to our favor, each. Those who claim to be competent to judge, we have been told of the great exertions they have declare it to be much larger than is either reasonmade, and the heavy expenses incurred, first in able or sufficient. In proportion to tonnage, these building their ships, and next in contesting the su- ships have cost much more than the British ships premacv of the seas, with the Cunard line, backed of the same class. Thus, while they exceed the by the Treasury of the British Government. British ships only two hundred tons in size, How stands the first item of this account-that (which, even at their own estimate of their costis, their exertions and expenses? The contract at $250 a ton-make only $50,000 excess over the requires them to build five ships. They have British,.) they do exceed them $200,000 in cost, or built but four. In this, then, instead of exceeding, four times the ratio of excess here assumed, which in exertion andexpense, what they voluntarilyun- is evidently excessive in itself. This difference dertook to do-nay,what they begged Congress to cannot be accounted for upon the difference bepermit them to do, and at their own price, they tween the prices of labor and materials in the two have done and expended onefifth less. For build- countries. We know that such a difference does ing and using in the service of the Government not, in the very nature of things, and cannot exthosefive ships, they were to receive, and have re- ist. I must resort, then, to the only rational, ceived,$385,000 perannum. So theyhavealready, though it may be an extraordinary, explanation and regularly, received the full amount of compen- which I have been able to find. I amn indebted to sation, and furnished only four fifths of the consid- a friend, a member of this body, for the papereration to which the contracts bind them. They containing it. It is the New York Evening Post allege that the four ships they have built, cost them of the 8th of this month. The explanation it gives $3,000,000, or $750,000 each. Then, they have of this matter consists of three short paragraphs. saved the expenditure of that sum, the interest I will read them: upon which, at six per cent, for two years, is "The Amrericans can construct and navigate steamers $90,000. I assume two years for this estimate. cheaper than they can be constructed and navigated by any for the reason, that their contract was made the other nation. For the accuracy of that statement, we ap1st day of November, 1847, conditioned for the peal to every disinterested ship-builder on the Atlantic completion of the first four ships by the end of coast, from the Penobscot to the Chesapeake. Whyv, then, completion of the first four ships by the end of does this company ask twice the aid which is necessary to eighteen months, and the fifth one "as early as sustain the Cunard line? practicable thereafter." It has now been four "In the first place. we have the authority of the comyears and a half since that contract was made. Al- pany for stating that their four steamers cost 8t3,000,000, thenthe hcontracttiefrhecmpletin while their cash capital amounted only to.$1,000,000; so lowing, then, the contract time for the completion that before the had begun to earn a cent, they were in debt of the first four ships, which would have made $2,000,0o0. They were paid for, therefore, mostly in stock; them ready by the 1st of May, 1849, and then the builders, the engine-makers, the furnisllers, All had to allowing one year more as a sufficient " practice- take more or less of their pay in stock of the company; in as a i...consideration of which they were permitted to put what ble time to buildthe fifth one, itleaves alittle price they pleased upon their work. This accounts for the over two years to this time, that is, from May 1st, Collins vessels costing 200,000 apiece more than the Asia, 21 which is only about two hundred tons less burden, which line alone, from the 27th April, 1850, to 31st March, 1852' will average as good time throughout the year as one, if not was as follows, viz: two, of the Collins steamers, and will carry twice the Letter postages.........6.............$326.670 58 amount of freight, and nearly twice the number of passen- News paper postages...................... 8,560 02 gers. J Closed mails...........2.......... 2,104 25 "The Cunard vessels were built for.cash at the most favorable cash prices. When launched they did not owe a $337,334 85 penny; they were subject to no extortionate charges for interest, and they commnenced earning money for their own- In the foregoing statement, the dead letters are not iners the moment they were started, instead of being pledged eluded; but an allowance of'5,322 87 was made in the to pay off mortgages to their builders." adjustment of the postal accounts with Great Britain for I said this was both reasonable tand extraordi I dead letters received from England by all the lines. I have the honor to be, very respectfully, your obedient nary. Is it not so? It is reasonable, because it is servant, J. W. FARRELLY,.duditor. based upon the statements of the company them- Hon. TnoMAs CORWIN, Secretary of the Treasury. selves, and accounts for what is otherwise unaccountable. It is extraordinary, else it would be Here, then, it is seen, that while $1,039,500 inapplicable to a most extraordinary transaction. have been paid to this company by the United States, they have paid back only $337,334, the Here we have presented to us a state of things States, they have paid back only $337,334, the Here we have presented to us a state of things United States being out of pocket just $702,166. that at first, I confess, astounded me, and almost staggered tmy belief. It is a lifting of the curtainIt is a little less than a million, as 1 said, yet it is from a picture which, if one half be true to nature, a very large sum-an enormous sum to be thrown is alike disgusting in itself, and mortifying in the away upon what was a doubtful experiment at reflection that we could have had any connection first, and is now an exploded scheme. with such a transaction. Here, sir, is one of those I he stem of" dead letter" postage, paid by us " noble enterprises" upon which, as we are so Ito Great Britain, set down at the close of the Auoften and so eloquently told, the progress, and ditor's letter at $25,332, I am not sure, from my prosperity, and honor of our country depends. If want of familiarity with such accounts, that I this be one of the sources of our progress and quiteunderstand. I apprehend, however, it is a prosperity and honor-and perhaps it has received charge to the expense of transporting the mails. Itighser praise than any other-then our condition If I am not right in this, the Senator from Texas as a people is indeed deplorable; and from all such will correct me. I assume, then,that it is so;and that, relating to "all the lines," as the Auditor I pray, in all sincerity, our country may soon be, ne ~~~~~~delivered. 1~says, one half of it, or $12,666, must be added to the account of expense we have paid for the ColBut our astonishment, at such an exposition as the account of expense we have paid for the Colthis, should not result from the character of the lins line, and this makes the dead loss to us just transaction itself, for that was to have been ex- $714,832. These are facts and figures which no pected as the natural resutlt of the hot-bed system one will or can deny. I make this exposition and of special legislation, which has never given birth record of them that they maybe heard and seen to anything better than monsters, or abortions. by those who have to pay these large sums in the But the astonishment should be that an American way of taxes. Let them be remembered! Congress-the representatives of a people more I In addition to this, we are told here upon this remarkable for common sense than any other in floor, by the best friends of this company-nay, it remarkable for common sense than any othieer in is one of their pleas for help-that their stock is the world-should have beome a partnern into this companyter- now selling in the market for fifty cents on the dolprise, and become a partner in this company, expecting success in business, or advantage to the the tombstone ofaetny mass of mortalitythalyut upon country. Well, the result is now before us. And it, confessedly, is a failure of the enterprise, and simple statement writes it on the decks of this ruin to the company; and, besides the shame of company of the Collins line. disappointment, a dead loss of little less than The honorable Senator from Michigan Mr. $1,000,000 of the public money; a sum, we had CAss] the other day dwelt upon this fact of the as well, for any good, have thrown to the fishes fifty pel cent. discount, with much emphasis; and in the sea. assumed, what is certainly true, that the rate thus i do not make this statement at random. I de- indicated was the unerring measure of the value I do not make this statement at random. I derive the facts from an official source. To insure of that stock. But there the Senator stopped. accuracy, I addressed a letter, last Friday, to the Why did he not go a step further in his equation Secretary of the Treasury, inquiring for the entire of stock economy, if I may so express it, and asamount paid, by the United States, to Collins & sume, as he could have done, with equal truth Co., in cash; and the entire amount received from and much more significance in this connection, them, in postages. Here is his answer: that this depreciated price of their stock in the market was the measure and the weight, among TR:.he snIv DEPAIRTMENT, May 15, 1852. sensible men of business, of this company and SIR: I have the honor to inclose herewith a statement sensible from the Sixth Auditor, showing the receipts from the Col- I their enterprise, and the proof, from which there lins line ofsteamers, as requested in yourletter ofyesterday. is no escape, that the whole thing is a failure, and A reference tothe Navy Department shows the payments a bubble bursted? " Fifty cents on the dollar!" to have been $1,039,50t), as will appear in detail by referring hy, sir, it is the very language in which failure to Ex. Doc. No. 91, 32d Congress, 1st session, page 3, No payment has been made since 1.2th February last. is emphatically expressed. Very respectfully, your obedient servant, And how could the result be otherwise? Look THO. CORWIN,i a moment at the transaction! A speculation, clean, on. ON BORLND Secretary of the Unted Statesuy. naked, and unredeemed! Upon one millio,n of money, this company issued three millions of stock; The statement of the Sixth Auditor, referred to and upon that, bearing interest, they engaged in a by the Secretary, is the following, in his letter of pursuit, of which, in view of the result, one of the same date: two things must be said: Either the scale upon "The amount of revenue which accrued by the Collins which it was planned was not required, and could not be sustained by the business of the country; the tonnage, and, therefore, even if the difference were or it has been most shamefully mismanaged. Pos- material, it would not strengthen the application of the Collins company. sibly both may be true, to some extent. How far s Here we have a difference of $345,042 annually-a the first may be, I do not now inquire. I have sum equal, within about $5,000, to the'entire allowance of already shown that there is much truth in the last the British Government to the Cunard company. Among and to show this still more cleary the items on the pay-roll, there is one worthy of a specific supposition; and to show this still more clearly reference. The Cunard captains receive, all round, $p2,500 and strongly, I have a few more facts, which seem a year. The captains of' the Collins steamers receive to me to prove that, even had this enterprise been $6,000 —difference, $3,500 on each ship. The reason of entirely legitimate and well conceived in itself, yet this difference is, as we are told, that the Collins captains are obliged to own a quantity of the stock of the company th at it has beens conducted u pon a system of com d($30,000 worth is the amount we have heard stated) before plication and expense, which could not possibly they can receive a commission. result in anything better than the ruin it has " That being the case, they certainly have not been overwrought. And added to the inherent viciousness paid thus far, if, as we presume, they bought at par; but it is none the less extravagant and wastefuil in the company of that system of mismanagement, as if to make to do their business en such a way as to be obliged at the success impossible, beyond a doubt, Congress was very commencement of their enterprise to pay people in wheedled into a participation and partnership of their company to take their stock-for a portion of these salaries can be looked upon in no otherlight-and to saddle thi blind and blundering empyricism! An agency, n the stockholders with the expense." as I have said, which never yet has meddled, but to mar even the wisest plans of individual enter- These facts need no comment,to answer t he prse. purpose for which I have introduced them. They iTo show, still further, the miserable misman-show the true character of this company, and put To show, still further, the miserable mismanagement of this Collins line, I will read, from the the sealof condemnation, beyond escape, upon all same paper, a few of the items of expense of navi- their operations. They commenced without capgating these ships, after incurring, as we have seen, ital, and have conducted themselves throughout as the enormous expense of building and fitting them wild and reckless speculators-speculators upon tfheenor mous service, p Here ofbuilding t they are: individual credit and credulity, and upon the faith for service. Here they are: of this Government. of this Government. "' By the statement submitted to the Senate committee by My honorable friend from ntucky Mr. UN Mr. Collins, it appears that the running expense of these M oo l fnd these statements I have steamers is $10 a mile. This is twice as much as is usual- DERWOOD] Will find in these statements I have ly allowed by the British Admiralty in their calculations for read, something like a solution of the questions ocean navigation. They always estimate for a guinea a which puzzled even his arithmetic the other day. mile. The cost of running Americansteamers, we believe, When he mrlade his calculations then, I suppose he does not generally amount to that, except on the Pacific coast. Here is a difference of half, between the two lines, estimated the payments to be in cash, and therewhich it woruld have been as well for Mr. SEwARD to have fore put all the items down at the standard of a directed his attention to, before he made his imaginary trip cash valuation. He did not then know that those with his brother Senators to St. Stephen's Chapel. Here *is a difference just covering the depreciation, which, he payments were made In stocks depreciated to fifty says, the Collins stock has experienced in finding its level cents on the dollar. So, if he was puzzled over his in Wall street. If the imaginative Senator had spent less arithmetic then, because its relentless rules would time in getting up his rhetoric, and more at getting at the not carry the legitimate amount of expense up to material facts in the case he attempts to discuss, he would probably have done what, for his own sake, we wish General CAss had done. apprehend that the straight-forward honesty of * * * * * * * * * * his mind will be even more amazed now, at the " He would have inquired, as we have done, the cause of cause of the difficulty, than he was puzzled then, this extraordinary expense of running the Collins steamers, at the difficulty itself. Now, sir, as practical and he would have learned, as we have learned, that it is uestions to a practical manI ask my friend from not one which it becomes the United States, or any other questons to a practical man, I ask my friend from Government, to countenance or encourage. Kentucky, what would be thought of a company "1AWe happen to have the meansofcoinparingsome of the in his State who should engage in business (no expenses of running the two rival lines, and we propose to matterhow legitimate and promising in itself) upon submit the facts to the public, in the hope that they will legti a pis i tel pn have some influence upon those whose support of this of which was borrowed at innopoly does not originate in other considerations than those terest; and then, in the prosecution of that busiwhich are addressed to their reason or their patriotism. ness, should undertake to pay all its expenses by l The following estimate of the cost of running the tworket at fifty cets lines was made up, we have reason to believe, and do be- on te dollar? How long could such a company lieve, from the books of the two companies: on tie dollar? ow long could such a company sell its paper at all? How long could it obtain Collins.I Caunard. credit at all? Would any sensible man among Cost of the Asia... 500,000 his constituents take stock in such a company, or Pay-roll for two months... $9,000 $5,400 become in any way connected with it? Would.Consumption of coal a round not the undivided sentiment of the community be, voyage........2,000 tons 10,000 that there was ridiculous folly or deep knavery at'' 1,400 tons 47000 Ins 6 pr et pr ann. s 7,000 the bottom of the whole' concern? Well, sir, it Depreciation pe r for2ms 23333 16666 seems to me this is a case in point. If there be cent. a any Material difference between them, in a practiRepairs 6 per ct. J l cal point of view, I am unable to perceive or ap$42,333 $29,066 preciate it. But it is said, I am aware, that I and _ _ — a few others here do not take " broad, statesmanExcessofCollins'sexpendi- - - like, national views" of such questions as this. ture per ship............ - - $13,267 And I trust I never shall, if in doing so, as in this Or for 4 ships for 26 voyages $345,042 case, I must repudiate my principles and the com" It may be objected that the Collins ships are larger than mon sense which the God of my creation has enthe Asia, and therefore more expensive to run. The differ- dowed me with. ence is only about two hundred tons, not enough to increase the expense materially, and besides, the rate of increase in But even this extraordinary cause of increased the expense of running steamships is always inversely as expenditure for two months, or a trip, as set 23 forth in the paper I have read, does not carry the anywise compelled to pay, or did, actually, pay amount up to the #65,000, as stated by the corn- double, or even a third, over the rates and prices pany. But it makes only.42,333; although this that the other paid, upon all, or any one of those estimates for the Collins pay-roll #9,000, while items, as he had set it forth? I asked the questhe Cunard is but $5,000; for the Collins coal tions in good faith; for the statement struck me as bill $10,000, while the Cunard. is but $7,500; and so extraordinary, that I was not sure I heard the for the Collins insurance, depreciation, and re- Senator correctly. He did not answer me then; pairs 623,333, while the Cunard is but #16,666- but as he has put the same statement in print, I total Collins $42,333-total Cunard $29,066. takethatas his answer. Let my questions and Here is an excess, yet, of $13,267 per trip, to be this answer go to the public together. I submit accounted for. Perhaps some light may be thrown it to the practical sense of men of' business, that if upon this, if any one can or will answer certain the Senator's statement be true, that Collins & Co. interrogatories which I will here propound. Per- do pay these excessive prices, when lower ones haps if the Senator from New Jersey [Mr. MIL- are at their option, their business is either grossly LER] were here, he might, from the familiarity mismanaged for want of sense, or want of honwith the subject he evinced by his speech some esty. Compete with the British, indeed! At such weeks ago; or, at any rate, I have no doubt that a rate, and by such a system, we cannot pay them the Senator from New York [Mr. SEWARD] money enough to enable them to compete. We could furnish us an answer from that rich budget might enable them to go on; but it would be at of facts with which he seemed prepared the other the expense of both the interest and honor of the day, and of which he gave us a glimpse so curious. country. It would be no competition, but a misBut, whether I can have them answered here or erable scramble for a premium upon incompetency not, I will now propound them, and then put or corruption. I do not believe a word of it. And, them in my printed speech, so that some one else most assuredly, I will never countenance or susmay answer them for the information of the coun- tain such a state of things, if it be true, by any try, if not of the Senate. We want light. Here vote of mine. are the interrogatories: Again: we are told that we must sustain this 1. WVho are the shareholders in the company Collins line, because the British Government susowning the Collins line of ocean steamers, and tains the Cunard line. Even as a general propowhere do they reside? sition, I do not admit this to be true. But I will 2. What commission is charged by Brown & not discuss that further than I have done in anBrothers, the British agents, per voyage, or per other portion of my remarks. Admitting it, howannum, for their services to this line? ever, for the argument, though not in fact, I yet 3. What extra prices, above the current market deny that such a consideration gives any force or prices, are paid for disbursements, provisions, and validity to the claim for this increased allowance, outfits at Liverpool? now made by the Collins line. It is a fact beyond 4. What commissions are charged by Collins dispute, that in this matter of following the examat New York for his services to the line? ple of the British Government, and giving large 5. Do not the expenses, on these accounts, compensation to our steamers, because she gives amount to more than $13,000 a trip? I large compensation to hers, we are not only not be6. Is not this line mortgaged to a member of hind, but we have already exceeded her, in the rate of the British Parliament for $700,000? compensation allowed. We already pay Collins 7. Where are the insurances effected, and at several thousand dollars more, per trip, than Great what rates? Where is the coal purchased, and at Britain pays Cunard for similar service. Thus, what prices? W hat is the difference between we pay Collins $19,000, while Cunard receives those prices and the prices paid by the Cunard from his Government but #15,000; the excess in line? Where are the officers and crews employed, favor of Collins being $4,000 per trip, or $96,000 and are they paid at American or English prices, per annum. and what is the difference? I know, sir, we are told that the British GovThen there are a few questions I asked the ernment has latterly increased the compensation Senator from New York [Mr. SEWARD] the other of the Cunard line from ~145,000 to X~175,000 per day in debate, which he has not answered, and annum. But I have not seen sufficient evidence which I wvill now repeat. I hope he, or some to satisfy me that this is true. The only evidence other competent person, will answer them at their we have, about which there seems to be no doubt convenience. That Senator then said that- on this point, gives the ~145,000 as the annual " Thie insurance on the Cunardl line of steamships, valued compensation, which makes about $15,000 per at $500,00U, atttlree per cent. in England. is..... 15,000 tip We are told that a. Livisto, who Insurance of the Collins line of steamships. valued at O700?000, at six per cent., is.............. 4',000 seems to be one of the Collins Company, or is The total irasrLatnce on the Collins line is......... 168,00 deeply interested with it, has said that this had The total insurance on the Cunard line is........ 60,000 been increased to X175,000. Gentlemen may take Making a lifference against the Collins line of.... 108,00 this as evidence of the increase of ritish "The rate of wages tor the persons employed as captains, ellgineers, an-d commlon sealien, is about onethird sation, who choose to do so. To mne it has so higher in this country than in England." far appeared only as a vague rumor, the truth of I copy this from his printed speech. When I which no Senator here seems willing to vouch for. lie made it, I asked him if I heard aright, and if i It is also from anl interested source, and offered as that statement could be true? I asked him if it aid to a certain end. Of the individual who offers could be true of two companies, each running a it I know nothing. I neither admit nor deny the line of ships of the same character, upon the same truth of his statement. The amount which I have ocean, to and from the same ports-engaged in assumed, I find stated in a book of unquestioned the same kind of business-having access to the authority for facts of this kind —" The British same markets for similar materials, labor, sup- Almanac, for 1851.'" On page 63, in the article plies, money, and insurance-that one was in on " North American MLails," I find the following: 24 " It was in the autumn of 1845 that the negotiations were moment's notice; and no more than that should going on; and in the spring of next year the new contract be given. was completed, by virtue of which the Cunard Cotpany But, sir, this amendment declares that ours is undertake to dispatch a mail steamer once a ftbrtnight from Liverpool to Halifax and Boston, and another mail steamer an empty boast. It declares, in words which canonce a fortnight from Liverpool to New York, the price not be mistaken nor misunderstood, thatAmerican being ~ L45,000 per annum, and the contract to remain in enterprise and skill cannot stand against the British force till 1858." upon equal terms-nay, not even when we have I find nothing on this point later, or different, in the advantage of aheavier purse. The confession any official document, or from any other reliable is there made-ay, sir, there it stands upon the source. This, moreover, is admitted on all hands table before you, in the official records of the nato be true. But suppose it to be true, that this tion. If it be true, its tortuous lines should be increase of ~175,000 has been given to the Cunard taken from that table, and, by some British loom, line. It does not materially affect the argument. woven into a veil, as black as the ink in which It still leaves the compensation to the Cunard line they are traced upon the record, to hang forever a little short of $18,000 per trip; while the Collins upon these bold American faces of ours, in this line still receive the $19,000, or $1,000 per trip day of our national humiliation! more than the British line. There is no estab- Sir, if I thought it true, I never would, I never lished truth, therefore, in this part of the plea; could again, as an American citizen, hold up my and even if there was, it has no force nor validity head, in pride of my native land. I never would whatever. Instead of sustaining this claim, then, assert again that America was the equal of any it is directly against it. other nation in the world. But, on my knees, 1 These are facts which are indisputable. In would go down before that strong Genius of Ameview of them, what becomes of this plea of the rican enterprise and skill, of whom we hear so necessity of sustaining the Collins line, against the much, and pray him to strike the galling libel patronage of the British Government? Gone, sir; from our escutcheon, and swear by him who spoke gone, like mist before the morning sun. Protec- this glorious land of ours into being, that no hand tion of American enterprise against British gold! should ever write it there again. But, sir, it is That is the demand. And all who do not at once not true. As an American, 1 swear it. We concede it, are charged with want of patriotism. are able to stand against the world, without the And yet the facts, here staring us in the face, prove heavier purse-without adventitious aid from any beyond dispute, that we have not merely given quarter. Even when the odds have been against this protection-not merely placed the American us, as they always have upon the ocean, we have ships on an equal footing with the British-but been successful in every encounter, and have gone we have done more, sir. We have given them on prospering and to prosper, while competing more money and more protection. And now they with every nation, upon every sea. Sir, no indemand still more-nay, nearly double as much. stance can be cited in which it ever was pretended They already receive (at the highest estimate for I that success had failed us, until the coming of this the British) $19,000, while the British receive but Collins line. But, tell me not that such a thing as $18,000; and now they demand $33,000, or an in- that, truly represents the enterprise, or skill, or crease of $14,000 a trip upon what they now re- talent, or spirit, of our countrymen. No, sir, no! ceive, or $15,000 a trip more than the British ships It is a false heir-a miserable pretender-a monster, receive! Call you this American enterprise? Call begot by folly on corruption, sent from some dark you this American competiton with British energy abode below to degrade us before the world; or, and British skill! Why, sir, it is but a game of if by decree of Heaven, surely sent to chastise us bragg, with stakes of gold, the party winning who for our sins, and move us to repentance. Mark has the heavier purse. "This is not the enter- its coming with the blackest stone the calendar tainment to which we were invited." We came affords; but not, I protest, as a sign of our people's not here to gamble-certainly not with the public degeneration and decay. money. And yet, sir, if this be not so, in what No, sir; the day of our declination in the great attitude does such a proposition as the amendment cycle of time has not yet come. My trust in God makes place us before the world? It has ever been is, that, high already as we have climbed the sky, our boast, and it is one which every American in progress and prosperity, the point of our culmiheart may make with an honest pride, that "give us nation is yet far higher and further away; and that but daylight and fair play," and American enter- we, and our children, and our children's children, prise, arts, and arms can stand against the world, and generations to come after them, shall not see and win a glorious triumph everywhere. And that highest point attained; but that our country's our history proves it to be not unfounded. Upon course shall be onward and upward, as long as no battle-field, whether in arts or arms, from our time shall last. national birthday to the present hour, even with Mr. President, my strength again has failed the odds against us, have we ever been defeated. me. I know, also, that the Senate is fatigued The amount of money our Government might with a long sitting, and is anxious to adjourn. collect, and expend in magnificent display, has While, therefore, there are several other points in never been the subject of a boast from any true this question of interest to me, and particularly American heart. It never will be. That monev, one of special interest to my constituents, which I under the genius of our institutions, is better in have been unable to reach, I shall seek another the pockets of the people; so much of it as may opportunity to present my views upon those points, be needed for a just and equal administration, and if my health permit, before the question shall be for defense, being ready, as we all know, to be finally disposed of. For the present, I have no poured with freedom into the public coffers, at a I more to say. AMERICAN STEAM NAVIGATION. SPEECH OF WILLIAM H. SEWARD, FOR THE COLLINS STEAMERSO IN SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES, APRIL 27, 1852. WASHINGTON, D. C. BUELL & BLANCHARD, PRINTERS. 1852. AMERICAN STEAM NAVIGATION. SPEECH OF WILLIAM H. SEWNARD, FOR THE COLLINS STEAMERS. IN SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES, APRIL 27, 1852. WASHINGTON, D. C. BUELL & BLANCHARD, PRINTERS. 1852. SPEECH. Mr. PRESIDENT: What will Congress do-what has Congress done-for the Collins steamers? These are questions which meet every visiter returning from the Capital on his arrival at New York, and which every traveller from America encounters, on Change in Liverpool and London, and in the Courts of Paris and St. Petersburg. There is reason enough for all this curiosity and interest among the merchants and statesmen of the two continents. Mr. President, under a contract with the United States made on the 19th of April, 1849, between E. K. Collins, James Brown, and Stewart Brown, merchants of New York, and the United States, those persons now prosecute, between the ports of New York and Liverpool, forty voyages across the ocean, or twenty outward and inward voyages, annually, in steamships carrying freights and passengers on their own account, and also public mails on account of the United States, and receive from the Treasury, as a compensation for that service, three hundred and eighty-five thousand dollars a year, which is equivalent to somewhat more than $19,000 for each outward and return passage. The Committee on Finance propose an amendment to the annual Deficiency 4 bill, the effect of which is to increase the number of mails and voyages from twenty to twenty-six, and the compensation from $19,000 to $33,000 for each voyage. OUGHT THIS MEASURE TO BE ADOPTED? I assume, for the present, that the existing enterprise is to be perseveringly sustained. In that view the question arisesWhether the proposed increase of mail service is expedient. When this line was established, the British Cunard steamers, consisting of seven vessels, were making semimonthly voyages and carrying semi-monthly mails between the same ports during the eight temperate months, and monthly mails during the four other months; and thus they had a monopoly of steam ocean postage between the two countries. We authorized the Collins line to carry just the same number of mails, alternating with the Cunard steamers; and so we broke up the monopoly, and divided the postages of the route equally with Great Britain. So far, all was right and well. But recently the Cunard steamers have continued their semi-monthly mails throughout the whole year, while ours were limited to the eight temperate months; and so the equality of postage revenues has been subverted, and the early British monopoly has been partially restored. By the proposed increase of mails we shall exactly alternate again; and on every day that an American or European mail steam-vessel shall leave New York, one of the other line will leave the opposite port; and so the monopoly will again be broken, and the complete equality of 5 postage revenues will be re-established. We must do just this, or relinquish in an important degree the great postal object of the enterprise. The Postmaster General and the Secretary of the Navy, and the Senate's Committees on the Post Office, on Naval Affairs, and on Finance, agree that the service must be thus increased, if it is to be at all continued. The increase, then, is not merely expedient, but even necessary and indispensable. Assuming now that the service is to be increased, the question comes upIs the increase of compensation from $19,000 to $33,000 per voyage just and reasonable? It is just and reasonable, if necessary. It is clear that some increase is necessary. The proprietors decline to make the six new voyages for nothing, and even to make them for $19,000 a voyage. We cannot oblige the contractors to make them for that compensation, nor even to make them for any compensation, for they are beyond the contract. No one else offers to make them on those terms, or, indeed, on any terms. We must therefore apply to Mr. Collins and his associates to enlarge the contract. But opening the contract for enlargement opens it for revision. They consent to enlarge, but they equally appeal to us to remodel it; and they show for reasons, that while the average cost of each voyage is $65,216.64 The average receipts are only - - 48,286.85 And that they incur an average loss of - 16,928.79 And an aggregate loss annually of - - $338,574.40 They further show that a capital of three millions invested has paid no dividends, and been reduced by inevitable losses to a little more than two and a half millions; that their stock is sold in Wall street at fifty cents on a dollar; and that, even if they would, yet they cannot despatch another ship or mail after the 15th of May next. Something must be allowed, if not for profits, at least for renovation; and so the actual loss on each voyage being in round numbers $17,000, it is quite certain that an increase of not less than $19,000 is necessary to keep the steamers in vigorous and sure operation. All questions of the fairness of this showing are precluded by the offer of the contractors to relinquish the enterprise to the United States, or to any assignee indicated by them, after the contract shall have been remodelled, and by the neglect of any other party to propose for a new contract, even on the terms thus recommended. So, the increase of compensation solicited is just and reasonable, and is, moreover, like the increase of the mail service, necessary and indispensable. Now, sir, we have arrived at the very question of the whole question. We must do just what is thus proposed, or relinquish the contract altogether. The honorable Chairman of the Committee on Finance, [Mr. HUNTER,] dissenting from his associates, advises that alternative. Sir, with a profound respect for that distinguished Senator, not now for the first time, nor for mere effect, expressed, I must have his pardon, nevertheless, for preferring the authority of his associates. Extreme caution is apt to be the fruit of the patient and patriotic labors of his office. An appropriation bill seldom has passed this House without calling forth from him or his predecessors eloquent, yet groundless, alarms of an exhausted treasury, and of impending taxation, if not bankruptcy. While we cannot, without wounding the national sensibilities and impairing the national character, abandon any great enterprise, it is equally true that indecision is among the worst vices of the statesman, and that vacillation in the conduct of public affairs is fruitful of national demoralization, and indicative of certain national decline. Persistence, when practicable, invigorates national energies, discourages foreign rivalry, and prevents foreign insult and aggression. Compare France-enlightened, vigorous, and energetic, but unstable as water —with England, cautious, constant, and persevering, or even with Russia, unimpassioned and cold as her climate, yet with her eyes unswervingly and forever fixed on Stamboul, and you have an apt illustration of my moral. Nevertheless, these general observations are inconclusive, and I grapple therefore cheerfully, with this great question. If this enterprise must be abandoned, it must be for one of two reasons, namely: either because1. It was erroneously conceived; or because, 2. It has been rendered unnecessary, unwise, or impracticable, by subsequent events and circumstances. 1. Was it erroneously conceived? To determine this question, we need to ascend some high eminence of -time, from which we can look back along the past, and pierce, as far as is allowed to human vision, through the clouds and darkness that rest upon the future. Come, then, Senators, and suppose that you stand with me in the galleries of St. Stephen's Chapel on a day so long gone by as the 22d of March, 1775. A mighty debate has been going on here in this august Legislature of the British Empire, Insurrection against commercial restriction has broken out in the distant American colonies; a seditious assembly in Philadelphia has organized it; and a brave, patient, unimpassioned, and not untried soldier of Virginia, lies, with hastily gathered and irregular levies, on the heights of Dorchester, waiting the coming out of the British army from Boston. The question whether Great Britain shall strike, or concede and conciliate, has just been debated and decided. Concession has been denied. A silence, brief but intense, is broken by the often fierce and violent, but now measured and solemn, utterance of Burke: "My counsel has been rejected. You have determined to trample upon and extinguish a people who have, in the course of a single life, added to England as much as she had acquired by a progressive increase of improvement, brought on, by varieties of civilizing conquests and civilizing settlements, in a series of seventeen hundred years. A vision has passed before my eyes; the spirit of prophecy is upon me. Listen, now, to a revelation of the consequences which shall follow your maddened decision. Henceforth there shall be division, separation, and eternal conflict in alternating war and peace between you and the child you have oppressed, which has inherited all your indomitable love of liberty and all your insatiwable passion for power. Though still in the gristle, and not yet hardened into the bone of manhood, America will, within the short period of sixteen months, cast off your dominion and defy your utmost persecution. Perfecting the institutions you have not yet suffered to ripen, she will establish a republic, the first confederate representative commonwealth, which shall in time become the admiration and envy of the world.. France, the hereditary rival whom, only twenty years ago, with the aid of your own colonies, you despoiled of her North American possessions, though they had been strengthened by the genius of Richelieu, will take sweet revenge in aiding the emancipation of those very colonies, and thus dismembering your empire. You will strike her in vain with one hand, while you stretch forth the other to reduce your colonies with equal discomfiture. And you, even you, most infatuated yet most loyal prince, will within eight years sign a treaty of peace with the royal Bourbon, and of independence with republican America! With fraud, corruption, fire, and sword, you will compensate England with conquests in the East, and within half a century they will surround the world, and the British flag shall wave over provinces covering five millions of square miles, and containing one-sixth of the inhabitants of the globe. Nor shall you lose your retaliation upon your ancient enemy; for she, in the mean time, imbibing and intoxicated by the spirit of revolution in her American affiliation, shall overthrow all authority, human and divine, and, exhausting herself by twenty 10 five years of carnage and desolation throughout continental Europe, shall at last succumb to your victorious arms, and relapse, after ineffectual struggles, into the embraces of an inglorious military despotism. Yet, notwithstanding all these unsurpassed conquests and triumphs, shall you enjoy no certain or complete dominion. For, on the other hand, wild beasts and savage men and uncouth manners shall all disappear on the American continent; and the.three millions whom you now despise, gathering to themselves increase from every European nation and island, will, within seventy-five years, spread themselves over field and forest, prairie and mountain, until, in your way to your provinces in the Bahamas, they shall meet you on the shores of the Gulf of Mexico, and on your return from the Eastern Indies, they will salute you from the Eastern coast of the Pacific ocean. In the mean time, with genius developed by the influence of freedom, and with vigor called forth and disciplined in the subjugation of the forest and trained and perfected in the mysteries of ship-building and navigation, by the hardy exercise of the whale fisheries under either pole, they will, in all European conflicts, with keen sagacity, assume the relation of neutrals, and thus grasp the prize of Atlantic commerce dropped into their hands by fierce belligerents. In the midst of your studies and experiments in hydraulics, steam, and electricity, they will seize the unpracticed and even incomplete inventions, and cover their rivers with steamboats, and connect and bind together their widely separated Territories with canals, railroads, and telegraphs. When a long interval of 11 peace shall have come, your merchants, combining a vast capital, will regain and hold for a time the carrying trade, by substituting capacious, buoyant, and fleet packet-ships, departing and arriving with exact punctuality; but the Americans, quickly borrowing the device and improving on your skill, will reconquer their commerce. You will then rouse all the enterprise of your merchants, and all the spirit of your Government, and wresting the new and mighty power of steam from the hands of your inveterate rival, will apply it to ocean navigation, and laying hold of the commercial and social correspondence between the two continents, increasing as the nations rise to higher civilization and come into more close and intimate relations, as the basis of postal revenue, you will thus restore your lost monopoly on the Atlantic, and enjoy it unmolested through a period of ten years. During that season of triumph, you will mature and perfect all the arrangements for extending this mighty device of power and revenue, so as to connect every island of the seas and every part of every continent with your capital. But just at that moment your emulous rival will appear with steamships still more capacious, buoyant, and fleet, than your own, in your harbors, and at once subverting your Atlantic monopoly, will give earnest of her vigorous renewal of the endless contest for supremacy of all the seas. When you think her expelled from the ocean, her flag will be seen in your ports, covering her charities contributed to relieve your population, stricken by famine; and while you stand hesitating whether to de 12 clare between republicanism and absolute power in continental Europe, her ambassadors will be seen waiting on every battle-field to salute the triumphs of liberty; and when that cause shall be overthrown, the same constant flag shall be seen even in the Straits of the DardaneIIes, receiving with ovations due to conquerors the temporarily overthrown champions of freedom. Look towards Africa, there you see American colonies lifting her up from her long night of barbarism into the broad light of liberty and civilization. Look to the East, you see American missionaries bringing the people of the Sandwich Islands into the family of nations, and American armaments peacefully seeking yet firmly demanding the rights of humanity in Japan. Look to the Equator, there are American engineers opening passages by canals and railroads across the isthmus which divides the two oceans. And last of all, look Northward, and you behold American sailors penetrating the continent of ice in search of your own daring and lost navigators."' ISir, this stupendous vision has become real. All this momentous prophecy has come to pass. The man yet lives who has seen both the end and the beginning of its fulfilment. It is history. And that history shows that this enterprise of American Atlantic steam navigation was wisely and even necessarily undertaken, to maintain our present commercial independence, and the contest for the ultimate empire of the ocean. Only a word shall express the importance of these objects. -International postal communication and foreign commerce are as important as domestic mails —and traffic. Equality with other nations in respect to those interests is as important as freedom from restriction upon them among ourselves. Except Rome —which substituted conquest and spoliation for commerce-no nation was ever highly prosperousj really great, or even truly independent, whose foreign communications and traffic were conducted by other States; while Tyre, and -Egypt, and Venice, and the Netherlands, and Great Britain, successively becoming the merchants, became thereby the masters of the world. But the learned and honorable Chairman of the Committee on Finance raises a question on a warlike feature of the enterprise which has not yet come under our notiee. Departing, after the most profound considerar tion, from the ancient naval policy which separated the National Ocean Police from the National Mercantile Marine, Great Britain constructs all the steamships employed in her postal service; so that they are "good, substantial, and efficient-of such model and strength as to be fit and able to carry guns of the largest caliber used on board of her Majesty's steam-vessels of war,'. and they-are subject to be taken in emergencies by the Government, at cost, for the public naval service. And in this way Great Britain is rapidly and steadily building up a new and peculiar naval force, which will always be in complete condition and ready for effective use. The same principle was adopted in the contract with Collins and his associates; and the evidence is complete that it has been faithfully and fully carried out. The honorable Senator now disputes the soundness of the principle itself, 14 and insists that merchant steam-vessels cannot be constructed so as to be practically useful for warlike purposes. I reply, first, that having, on such careful examination and with such weighty example, adopted the principle, we could not now wisely abandon it, without proof, by practical trial, long I hope to be delayed, that it is erroneous. Secondly: No ship of war, however constructed, is adapted to all the exigencies of naval service, while these steamships are certainly adapted to some of them. Commodore Perry, on the 15th of February, 1852, reports to the Secretary of the Navy that " these steamships (of the Collins line) may be converted, at an expense of $20,000 each, into war steamers of the first class; and that each of them could carry four 10-inch Paixhan guns on pivots, fore and aft, of the weight of those in the model ship Mississippi, and ten 8-inch Paixhan guns on the sides, and that this armament would not incommode the vessel; and that, in the general operations of a maritime war, they would render good service; and especially that, from their great speed, they would be useful as despatch vessels and for the transportation of troops, being always capable of attack and defence, and of overhauling and escaping from an enemy." The Secretary of War reports to the Senate, on the 20th of March, 1852, that " the readiness of the steamers to be used at the shortest notice, their capacity of being used as transports for goods and munitions of war, and their great celerity of motion, enabling them to overhaul merchantmen, and at the same time 15 escape cruisers, would render them terrible as guerrillas of the ocean." Thirdly. Great Britain has already more than two hundred and fifty steamers, armed and capable of armament. What would be our situation, in the emergency of a war, if we were unprovided with a similar force for defence and aggression? But, fourthly. The warlike adaptation of the steamers is a collateral and contingent feature of the enterprise, which will stand safely on the accomplishment of its postal and mercantile ends, even if that feature should prove valueless. These steamers, at least, are built and in use, and accomplish their important civic purposes. We may correct our system, not in this, but in future operations. Thus, Mr. President, it appears that the enterprise was wisely adopted. And now I pray you take notice that it has not been rendered unwise or impracticable by any change of circumstances or of public interests. Everything in these respects remains as it was, except that we have increased ability and increased need to put it forth in the struggle for the freedom of commerce and the command of the seas. Nor does the expense complained of affect the question of perseverance. The excess of expense above the estimates results from the wise policy of building larger and better ships than were at first contemplated, whereby in achievement we have not merely equalled but surpassed Great Britain. Nor is the expense of the American steamers dispro 16 portionate to that of the British. Although we all know that for a time it might well be so, because the rate of interest, and the cost of labor and of skill, are higher on this side of the Atlantic than on the other, and because higher insurance must be paid on more valuable vessels. Nevertheless, the Cunard steamers, seven in number, have an aggregate capacity of 12,252 tons, averaging 1,750 tons for each, and they cross the Atlantic eightyfive times annually; thus the whole tonnage worked by them across the Atlantic is 148,750 tons. The Collins steamers have an aggregate tonnage of 13,700, averaging 3,425 tons for each; and the aggregate tonnage worked by them across the -ocean is 178,100 tons; the cost to the Government is $850,000, not exceeding, in proportion to their work, the expense of the Cunard line. At the same time, they excel the Cunard steamers in speed. The shortest westward passage of the Cunard steamers was ten days and twentytwo hours, and the shortest eastward passage ten days and twelve hours; while the quickest westward passage of the Collins steamers was nine days and twelve hours, and the quickest eastward passage was nine days and eight hours. Nor is the expense disproportioned to the benefits received. The first effect of the enterprise was a postal treaty with Great Britain; and under that treaty, in lieu of receiving no steam ocean postages, as before, we now receive postages amounting in round numbers to $400,000; and this revenue must swell, and is actually swelling, at the rate of $200,000 annually. Thus, in 17 the first place, it is clear that in two years the postal revenue alone will defray the expense; and, secondly, there lies very near to us in the future what my friend from Massachusetts [Mr. SUMNER] so justly denominates, and what every patriot and philanthropist so earnestly seeks, the great boon of cheap ocean postage. And now, while we maintain postal communication to every part of our country, at no matter how great expense, provided that the revenue of the whole system shall equal the cost of all its parts, I desire to know why we should depart from a principle so enlightened in foreign postal conventions, which are ancillary to commerce, to immigration, and to political influence and power. But if we change the terms of the question, it will be more easily solved. What, then, shall we lose by arresting the enterprise? We shall lose all the postages on steam mails, and all the hopes of cheap postage, and all the profits on passengers and freight transported by steam. It is not easy to estimate these losses; but we have some knowledge of the profits of Great Britain, arising from the monopoly she enjoyed before our competition. The duties received into the treasury from the Cunard steamers rose in six years from $73,809 to $1,054,731. She paid the steamers for carrying the mails six years $2,550,000, and received postages in return amounting to $7,836,800; giving her a clear profit, on the postal revenue, of $5,286,800, or little less than a million a year. We have gained at least one-half of what benefits Great Britain has lost by reason of our enterprise. Let that monopoly be restored 18 and re-established, we shall then lose all that gain, and with it we shall see the postages, and freights, and rates of passage, raised to their ancient standards, and continually adjusted equally to injure our prosperity and promote the interests and gratify the caprice of Great Britain. What shall we then look for but decline of trade and industry, with a long train of commercial embarrassments and national humiliations? At most, we can save by abandoning this enterprise only about $300,000 in two years. Could we not now easily retrench to that extent in some other quarter? We can save as much, and more, by laying up one of our frigates in ordinary during the same time, and twice as much by burning it down to the water's edge. No one would advise this, and yet it would be far less disastrous than the retrenchment now proposed. Still, sir, the argument that the expense exceeds the estimates is pressed. Well, there is nothing new in that. This is a deficiency bill. It makes appropriations of some millions to supply deficiencies in the customs service, in the construction of public edifices, in the improvement and embellishment of the capital, in the department of Indian Affairs, in the department of the Territories, and in the department of Foreign Relations. And just such a deficiency bill comes up from the House of Representatives, at the middle of every session of Congress, as punctually as the estimates for the year come in at the beginning, and as the appropriation bill based on these estimates appears at the close. Shall we, then, abandon the customs, the public edifices, 19 the seat of Government, the army and navy, the Indian tribes, the Territories, and all foreign intercourse, because we can never estimate accurately, at the beginning, the cost of maintaining them throughout the fiscal year? But it is said that the enterprise is a departure from the principle of free trade. Sir, it is a departure from that principle, but not a divergence from the fixed and ancient policy of the country. Widely, and I think unwisely, as we have differed among ourselves about the policy of protecting agriculture and manufactures, to the hindrance of the growth of commerce itself, yet we have, from first to last, uncompromisingly and unwaveringly adhered to the policy of protecting navigation. We inherited it from England, whose navigation act, passed by the Long Parliament, and co-operating with her encouragement of manufactures, broke the monopoly of Holland, and secured to the British islands the commerce of the world and the command of the ocean. If this measure enhances protection of our navigation, it is because British largesses enhance the protection of her navigation. Let her revert to her old measure of protection, and we can at once safely return to ours. The honorable Senator from Virginia tells us that it is wise to give up now, because, the system being unprofitable, we shall be obliged to give up at last. But this is only a temporary contest, not yet fully decided, and growing in success. Collins's contract has eight years to run. Long before that time, Atlantic steam navigation will prove itself to be either self-sustaining 20 or not self-sustaining. In either case, Great Britain will withdraw her patronage from her line, and we can then safely discontinue our contributions to our line. The honorable Senator from Virginia seeks to divide us on this question, by presenting the claims of what he calls the poorer cities for a share in the benefits of this policy, now concentrated upon New York. I learn that a bill is near its third reading in the Legislature of the -Old Dominion, having for its object to establish a line of first-class steamships between Norfolk and Antwerp. Sir, I assure the honorable Senator that when a proposition shall come before us for material aid to the trade of any of our Atlantic cities, which shall at the same time be beneficent to the whole Union-whether that- city be Boston, or Philadelphia, or Baltimore, or Norfolk, or Charleston, or New Orleans-I shall greet it with no reluctant hearing. But in the mean time the field of battle is chosen, not by us, but by the enemy; it is not a provincial contest for provincial objects, but it is a national one. We must meet our adversary on that field, not elsewhere; and we must meet him or surrender the whole nation's cause without a blow. And now I pray honorable Senators to consider what it is that we are invited to surrender. It is no less than the proud commercial and political position we have gained by two wars with Great Britain, and by the vigorous and well-directed enterprise of our countrymen through a period now reaching to three-quarters of a century. Next, -I pray you to consider what position we must 21 take after that surrender-the position of Mexico, of the Canadas, and of the South American States. Surely there is nothing attractive in such a change, in such a descent. I conjure you to consider, moreover, that England, without waiting for, and, I am sure, without expecting, so inglorious a retreat on our part, is completing a vast web of ocean steam navigation, based on postage and commerce, that will connect all the European ports, all our own ports, all the South American ports, all the ports in the West Indies, all the ports of Asia and Oceanica, with her great commercial capital. Thus the world is to become a great commercial system, ramified by a thousand nerves projecting from the one head at London. Yet, stupendous as the scheme is, our own merchants, conscious of equal capacity and equal resources, and relying on experience for success, stand here beseeching us to allow them to counteract its fulfilment, and ask of us facilities and aid equal to those yielded by the British Government to its citizens. While our commercial history is full of presages of a successful competition, Great Britain is sunk deep in debt. We are free from debt. Great Britain is oppressed with armies and costly aristocratic institutions; industry among us is unfettered and free. But it is a contest depending not on armies, nor even on wealth, but chiefly on invention and industry. And how stands the national account in those respects? The cotton-gin, the planing machine, steam navigation, and electrical communication-these are old achievements.- England only a year ago invited the na 22 tions to bring their inventions and compare them together in a palace of iron and glass. In all the devices for the increase of luxury and indulgence, America was surpassed, not only by refined England and by chivalrous France, but even by semi-barbarian Russia. Not until after all the mortification which such a result necessarily produced, did the comparison of utilitarian inventions begin. Then our countrymen exhibited Dick's Antifriction Press-a machine that moved a power greater by 240 tons than could be raised by the Brama Hydraulic Press, which, having been used by Sir John Stevenson in erecting the tubular bridge over the Straits of Menai, had been brought forward by the British artisans as a contrivance of unrivalled merit for the generation of direct power. Next was submitted, on our behalf, the two inventions of St. John, the variation compass, which indicates the deflection of its own needle at any place, resulting from local causes; and the velocimeter, which tells, at any time, the actual speed of the vessel bearing it, and its distance from the port of departure; inventions adopted at once by the Admiralty of Great Britain. Then, to say nothing of the ingeniously constructed locks exhibited'by Hobbs, which defied the skill of the British artisans, while he opened all of theirs at pleasure, there was Bigelow's power-loom, which has brought down ingrain and Brussels carpets within the reach of the British mechanic and farmer. While the American plows took precedence of all others, McCormick's reaper was acknowledged to be a contribution to the agriculture 23 of England, surpassing in value the cost of the Crystal Palace. Nor were we dishonored in the fine arts, for a well-deserved meed was awarded to Hughes for his successful incorporation in marble of the ideal Oliver Twist; and the palm was conferred on Powers for his immortal statue of the Greek Slave. When these successes had turned away the tide of derision from our country, the yacht America entered the Thames. Skilful architects saw that she combined, in before unknown proportions, the elements of grace and motion, and her modest challenge was reluctantly accepted, and even then only for a tenth part of the prize she proposed. The trial was graced by the presence of the Queen and her Court, and watched with an interest created by national pride and ambition, and yet the triumph was complete. In the very hour of this, of itself conclusive demonstration of American superiority in utilitarian inventions, and in the art " that leads to nautical dominion," a further and irresistible confirmation was given by the arrival of American clippers from India, freighted at advanced rates with shipments, consigned by the agents of the East India Company at Calcutta to their own warehouses in London. Such and so recent are the proofs, that in the capital element of invention we are equal to the contest for the supremacy of the seas. When I consider them, and consider our resources, of which those of Pennsylvania, or of the valley of the Mississippi, or of California, alone exceed the entire native wealth of Great Britain; when I consider, moreover, our yet unelicited manu 24 facturing capacity-our great population, already nearly equal to that of the British islands, and multiplying at a rate unknown in human progress by accessions from both of the old continents; when I consider the advantages of our geographical position midway between them; and when I consider, above all, the expanding and elevating influence of freedom upon the genius of our people, I feel quite assured that their enterprise will be adequate to the glorious conflict, if it be only sustained by constancy and perseverance on the part of their Government. I do not know that we shall prevail in that conflict; but for myself, like the modest hero who was instructed to charge on the artillery at Niagara, I can say that we "will try; " and that when a difficulty occurs no greater than that which meets us now, my motto shall be the words of the dying commander of the Chesapeake-" Don't give up the ship." THE COLLINS' STEAMERS. The policy of the American Government has been for many years to throw their foreign trade and commerce open to the legitimate competition of every flag, and under this policy the shipping and commercial interests of the country were for a time prosperous and satisfactory. Our packet ships were completely successful, and finally got possession of the largest portion of the freight and passenger traffic. Under these circumstances England became anxious, and saw no remedy, but by the establishment of a line of mail steamers to regain what by fair competition she had lost, and therefore commenced such a line of steamers, and placed it wholly under the admiralty jurisdiction, as a government undertaking. They found soon by experience that they could not do it satisfactorily to the public, and the expenses were so enormous, that they considered it good policy to discontinue it. They then proposed to several intelligent merchants to try the experiment under governmental patronage, and finally after some negotiation Mr. Cunard and his associates entered into a contract in July, 1840, to carry the mails, and for which they were paid -b60,000 annually, equal, a 4 8~, to $288,000. They commenced the service with four steamers, 420 horse power each, and of the capacity or gross tonnage or 4,600 tons, or 624 6 per ton, and made at the commencement one passage each month. The Government of Britain soon perceived the importance of this line; it at once changed their position with this country; it gave them a revenue on their mail matter, and on that of the American people. It gave them almost the monopoly of the passenger traffic, and the most valuable of all freights, that upon bullion, and the rich and high priced merchandise of Europe. This far-sighted measure of the British cabinet, at one blow, took from the American packets the three most important items of their business, viz., valuable freights, passengers, and mail money, and thus almost ruined them. The number of sailing packetGIDEON, Print. 2 ships in every port has been lessened, and many of them could not now be kept afloat, were it not for the immense immigration from Ireland and the continent of Europe. The first six years, England actually derived from the Cunard line of mail steamers a clear revenue of $5,286,800, and the proprietors of this line large profits. The whole nearly was obtained at the expense of American sailing packets, and from the American public, with the aid of the public money of England. At first this line confined itself to one port; now two ports are used: the company have increased and are increasing the capacity and number of their steamers at the expense of the American people, and this is owing entirely, at the commencement, to the policy of England, in granting them aid to ensure the destruction of all individual competition of Americans. The American people and Government felt all this, and through the press, and every other channel, called loudly for an American line of steam packets; the press and people promising to support such a line with money and their patronage. Under these assurances, an American line was built and put into service. The result has been, the American proprietors have built the best ocean mail steamers afloat, in point of strength, speed, and comfort, and have wrested back a portion of the mail money, passenger traffic, and the freights of bullion, and valuable merchandise, and have given general public satisfaction. No private individuals in the Kingdom of Great Britain, at a time when no opposition was in their way, and when all the trade of America and Europe was open to them, dared at the commencement, begin such an enterprise, knowing as they did the large expenditure of ocean steamers, without substantial aid from the British Government, and the further assurance of indemnity against loss. The American enterprise was undertaken with four steamers of 1000 horse power each, and of the capacity or gross tonnage of 13,702 tons, for a compensation of $385,000 per annum, or 28' 1 per ton, making semi-monthly passages for eight months, and monthly for four months in each year, say twenty passages in all. This was accomplished by a few individuals at an outlay of more than 3,000,000 dollars, in the face of a line with many years of experience, and having the public confidence, and supported by adequate aid from the British treasury, and the patronage of British and American merchants and manufacturers. The British merchants and manufacturers have been true to 3 the Cunard line; they send their merchandise by them, they take passage in them, they send their letters by them, and keep back their duplicates and triplicates for their own line, rather than allow them to go by an American steamer. And the British Government through their agents have done every thing to promote the interest of this line, and have actually charged the inland postage on all of the continental letters going by American steamers, and when by British, the inland postage has been rernitted or not charged. This matter is now before the Postmaster General; and this stroke of management has taken thousands of dollars from the American treasury to the loss and injury of our line of steamers. This country must always be in competition with Great Britain, and if England opens her treasury to sustain mail lines, then must the United States do the same thing to such of their lines of steamers as come in direct competition with them, or abandon the field, after winning the battle, to their rivals. If the American line from necessity, that is, the want of means, is compelled to be withdrawn, the consequence must be, the building up of an increased and formidable number of British mail steamers at the expense of the American people. Through such lines they will pay the British Government for the carrying of their letters, and surrender to British capitalists, already made rich by American patronage, all the freights on bullion and valuable merchandise, and the whole of the passenger traffic. Had England allowed her merchants (without governmental aid at the beginning of ocean steam navigation) to compete legitimately with American merchants, no American merchant would ever have presented himself before an American Congress asking aid against competition with British merchants on the high seas. There is another very important point of view in which to consider this matter. Suppose the proprietors of this American line of steamers, for want of the necessary governmental aid, be compelled to relinquish their contract, and to withdraw them from service. It would be a national disgrace, and would cause much mortification to every American at home and abroad, and great joy and exultation on the other side of the water. No line of equal capacity and fitness could be again put afloat by individual capitalists. Where could $3,000,000 of private capital be found?' And where are the capitalists able and willing to attempt it? Let the present line sink, and the Cunard line will then have a complete monopoly, that in time could not be resisted or overcome, unless expelled from our coasts by law. They would have possession of the key of all the commerce of this country with Europe. They would control and raise at will the prices of freights, and the rates of passage, and even the rates of postage of mail-matter would be at their disposal. The rate of freight, when this line commenced, was t7 10 per ton, now..L4 from England to the United States, and from the United Slates to England, any rate of freight the shipper chooses to pay, from 6d. to 3s. per barrel. But for this low rate of freight our produce, say, flour, pork, beef, bacon, hams, cheese, lard, butter, apples, &c., &c., could not, at the low prices ruling in Europe, be shipped from this country; and some of them being perishable, can only be shipped by steamers of great speed and good ventilation. These freights by steamers and sailing packets, constantly on an average rule low, but owing to their departures on regular and specified days, rather than go empty, they take any freight offering; and frequently the freight from New York to Liverpool is actually less than the drayage from the warehouse to the vessel of embarkation. What has killed the navigation from the St. Lawrence to England, and given millions to the great State of New York, in the shape of tolls on her canals, and employment to her boatmen and laborers, but the low freights and the certainty and expedition of the sailing, and steam packets from New York to Liverpool? It has transferred a large portion of the products of Canada to the city of New York for a market, and for shipment to Europe, and has actually brought the statesmen of Canada to the very halls of Congress, asking to be placed, as regards exports and imports of the products of both countries, upon a footing of equality. The cash cost of the Collins' line of steamers, ready for sea, was - $2,944,142 71 The following items show the present position of the Collins' line of steamers, viz: The amount of stock subscribed is - - - 1,132,000 00 Of which has been paid - $1,099,900 00 The Government loan was - - 385,000 00 5 The company have borrowed and issued their bonds for - 700,000 00 Their floating debt is now, exclusive of interest, about - - 1,000,000 00 3,184,900 00 They have sunk over - - - - 350,000 00O No dividends have been made to the stockholders. The actual average cost of each voyage to England and back is - - $65,215 64 The average receipts of each voyage have been - 48,286 85 Deficiency each voyage - 16,928 79 Or for 20 voyages $338,574 40 d. h. m. The shortest passage eastward - - - 9 19 45 The shortest passage westward - - - 9 13 45 Such is the absence of remunerative employment for these steamers in the winter season, that the last steamer, the Atlantic, to England had no freight, and only eight first and nineteen second class passengers. The estimated expense of keeping four war steamers of the capacity of the Collins' line in commission, exclusive of fuel, is not less than $2,000,000 per annum; and for keeping them in the navy yards ready for sea, $640,000 per annum. The amount of postage derived exclusively from the Collins' line of steamers from Ist of January to 1st of May, 1851, say 4 months, was $126,606 00, less by $1,727-,33 than paid to said line by contract. The mail service since May has fallen off, owing to the British Government having suddenly increased the mail service of the Cunard line, and consequently increased theirpay considerably. This move has cut us off from alternating with their line since May last, up to which time we shared with them nearly equally all the receipts on mail matter. We must compel them by some new postal arrangement to again alternate with our line, which will give annually to our Post Office over $400,000 to begin with; and this will go on, gradually increasing, until it reaches a million of dollars per annum, and thus create a revenue beyond all the compensation to the steamers. 6 The policy pursued by the British Government towards their mail steamers has not only secured the numerous collateral public advantages attendant upon their service, but a permanent revenue exceeding the annual outlay. They have found a liberal expenditure the best economy. Since the foregoing was printed, the following official document has been transmitted from the Postmaster General to the Committee on Naval Affairs of the United States Senate, showing a revenue has been derived, in consequence of the establishment of this line of steamers, up to 31st March last, of $828,675 59 against the contract; which will amount, on the 27th April, 1852, to $770,000-leaving, therefore, a nett gain to the Treasury of $58,675 59. Exhibit of postage on zails received and sent by the Cunard and Collins' steamers,from Feb. 21st, 1849, to March 31st, 1852. Postage by Cunard line, from Feb. 21, 1849, to April 27, 1850 - - - - - $665,311 55 United States portion - - $138,606 55 British portion - - - 526,705 00 $665,311 55 Postage by Cunard line, from April 27, 1850, to March 31, 1852 - 1,071,302 34 United States portion - - $223,188 00 British portion - - - 848,114 34 $1,071,302 34 Postage by Collins' line, from April 27, 1850, to March 31, 1852 373,337 80 United States portion - - $326,670 58 British portion - - - 46,667 22 $373,337 80 $2,109,951 69 United States revenue for the same period1st. By Cunard line, letters, to April 27, 1850 - $138,606 55 2d. By " April 27, 1850, to March 31, 1852 - - - 223,188 00 3d By Collins' line, letters, April 27, 1850, to March 31, 1852 - - - - 326,670 58 4th. Newspaper postage, to December 31, 1851 - 46,858 88 5th. Balance on closed mails - - - 90,151 58 6th. Postage for State Department - - 3,200 00 $828,675 59 The increase of trans-atlantic postage in 1851, over that of 1850, was - - - - $197,435 61 Increase by Collins' line - $183,734 05 Increase by other line - 13,701 56 $197,435 61 NOTE. —In the preceding statement, the closing mails are estimated for the quarter ending 31st December, 1851, and the newspaper closed mail accounts for the quarter ending 31st March, 1852, and not included. (Copy.) P. O.DEPARTMENT, Foreign Desk, April 7, 1852. I certify, that the above is the copy of the statement from the Auditor's office referred to in the P. M. General's note of to-day's date to E. K. Collins, esq. (Signed) HORATIO KING. AMERICAN STEAM NAVIGATION. -SPEECH OF ONo GEORGE E, BADGEB OF NORTH CAROLINA, FOR THE COLLINS STEAMERS, IN SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES, MAY 6. 1852. WASHINGTON. D. C.: BUELL & BILANCIHARD, PRINTERS. 1852 AMERICAN STEAM NAVIGATION SPEECH OF HON. GEORGE E. BADGER, OF NORTH CAROLINA, FOR THE COLLINS STEAMERS. IN SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES, MAY 6, 1852. WASHINGTON, D. C.: BUELL & BLANCHARD, PRINTERS. 1852. SPEECH. The Senate resumed, as in Committee of the Whole, the consideration of the bill from the House of Representatives, entitled " An act to supply deficiencies in the appropriations for the service of the fiscal year ending the 30th of June, 1852," the pending question being upon the amendment of the Committee on Finance to insert the following: For additional compensation for increasing the transportation of the United States mail between New York and Liverpool, in the Collins line of steamers, to twenty-six trips per annum, at such times as shall be directed by the Postmaster General, and in conformity to his last annual report to Congress, and his letter of the 15th of November last to the Secretary of the Navy, commencing said increased service on the 1st of January, 1852, at the rate of $33,000 per trip, in lieu of the present allowance, the sum of $236,500. Mr. BADGER. Mr. President, I desire to submit some observations upon the subject of the amendment before the Senate, and, if no other gentleman is disposed to say anything, I will submit my remarks now. My friend from Virginia, [Mr. HUNTER,] the other day, took occasion to remark that he stood almost alone on this question-most, if not all, of those who had mingled in the debate having taken part in support of the pending amendment. But my friend from Virginia should have remembered that if in number he is but one, in force he is a host. He stands amongst us like Achilles upon the plains of Troy, driving whole battalions before him, and requiring the concentrated energies of a mighty army to arrest his advance. Therefore, he must not be surprised if, when he opposes, many of us should think it necessary that we should support-well knowing that such is the weight and force of his reasoning, the influence of his position, the keen and skilful dexterity of his logic, by which he is able always to " make the worse appear the better reason," it is absolutely necessary that we should summon up all our powers to secure that success to this amendment which we believe its intrinsic merits require. My friend from Virginia yesterday was pleased to say, in reference to a remark made by the honorable Senator from New York, [Mr. SEWARD,] as to the narrowing influence produced upon the mind by occupying the position of Chairman of the Finance Committee, that, if the suggestion of the Senator from New York were correct, it would be perhaps a happy thing to place me at the head of that committee, as such a narrowing influence might not be amiss upon what he supposed to be the too profuse liberality of my disposition. Mr. President, there are several difficulties in the way of my occupying the distinguished position to which the partiality of my friend 4 would assign me. In the first place, I do not belong to the right side of this House to assume the direction of any committee. I am much better placed in the capacity of trailing a pike under the command and direction of the honorable Senator from California, [Mr. GWIN,] to whose committee I have been assigned. An experiment was once made by the distinguished gentleman who is now the presiding officer of this body, of placing me at the head of one committee of this body, and an important committee it was. He made me the Chairman of the Committee on Enrolled Bills. But whether it was that I discharged my duties in that high and important position so badly, or neglected them so much, or, as my honorable friend from Michigan says, discharged them so well, and was so critical and careful about the phraseology of our laws-whatever might have been the reason, I seem to have lost caste and credit; for, at the next session, I was summarily displaced from the position of chief in command, and put where I was but a private soldier. I am by no means ambitious of assuming the position to which my friend from Virginia would assign me; but he will permit me to say, that, if placing me at the head of that committee would have the narrowing influence which he supposes, by equal force of reasoning it seems to me he ought to leave the station which he has assumed; for I know of no gentleman in this body, or in this country, with his high understanding and enlarged views, who needs liberalizing more than he does in regard to the public expenditures of the country for great and noble objects. Mr. President, the question submitted for the consideration of the Senate is, we all admit, a question of high and controlling importance. It has been said in the course of this discussion that the contest between these two lines has now become a national contest between this country and Great Britain. I desire to amend that statement. From the very moment of the institution of the Collins line, it was a national contest. It has not recently assumed that character. It has always borne it. The enterprise was very far, indeed, from being in fact, or from being regarded by the country, as a mere contest between two rival companies of ship-owners. It was one great, active contest in that mighty drama for thei mastery of the seas-for superiority in everything that belongs to strength, speed, effective power, and success for war and for commercial purposes, which long has been, and ever must be, the mightiest contest between this country and Great Britain. After having entered upon this peaceful, and, at the same time, most important contest, the question presented to the American Congress now is, whether we shall dishonorably retrace our steps; whether, when the hand is just stretched out to seize the crown of victory-we shall voluntarily forego all our advantages, retire from the high and eminent position we now occupy in the eyes of all the civilized world, and voluntarily surrender that which to obtain and perpetuate Great Britain would without any hesitation sacrifice a hundred times the amount of money which is involved in the question now before the Senate. We are now reduced to this position: We must do one of three things; we must either afford the aid which is now asked by this company, and which this amendment proposes to give it; or we must en force upon it the performance of the contract entered into with this Government, to the utter ruin of its members; or we must permit this line to go down, and permit Great Britain to be, by the acknowledgment of the world, first, not only in naval power, but in naval enterprise, and in national sympathy for her own glory; and to allow her to take possession of the sea by our own voluntary retreat, which, in a fair conflict, the experience of three quarters of a century has shown she never could obtain by skill and power of her own. I have said that we must do one of these three things; and is it not manifest that one of the three must be done? Why, sir, it is proved; it is not a subject of debate; it does not depend upon minute speculations in arithmetic; it cannot even be necessary to resort to the squareroot of my friend from Kentucky to resolve it; but it is proved by clear, distinct, incontrovertible sworn testimony, that the running of the Collins line, at the present rate of compensation, has brought, on twenty-eight trips, an average loss of nearly $17,000 each trip to the company. Now, it requires nothing to be said to show that it is impossible that the line can be kept up and maintained upon the present rate of compensation, with the loss which must necessarily be thrown upon the intelligent, enterprising, wealthy, and patriotic citizens by whom the line has been established. Gentlemen may say-the honorable gentleman from Virginia has said-that there is not a necessity for this increase of compensation. Gentlemen may say, and gentlemen may think, that the line can be run, and will be run, at the present rate of compensation; but if gentlemen so say and so think, they are greatly deceived. The members of this company are now bearing heavy drafts upon their private funds to meet daily recurring deficiencies, so large that a quarter of a year of them accruing upon persons of ordinary ability would crush them, and which no company, however able, can long sustain. References have been made to the rate of compensation or assistance afforded by the British Government to the Cunard line; and it has been attempted to be shown that the rate of compensation so given is less than what is proposed to be given by this amendment to sustain the Collins line. Well, suppose it were so; do we not all know that the expenses of maintaining a line, consisting of steamships, depends not so much upon the number as upon the size of the vessels employed? No doubt my friend from Virginia is right in saying that we could maintain a dozen steamers, and send them across the ocean, not merely for twenty-six trips, but for fifty trips, at far less expense than is incurred by the Collins line, even at the present rate of compensation. What the expenses are is to depend upon the size of the vessels engaged. And what is that size? Why, there are four Collins steamersthere are seven Cunarders. The aggregate tonnage of the four Collins steamers exceeds the aggregate tonnage of the seven Cunarders by more than a thousand tons. It is, therefore, no accurate mode of proceeding, to ascertain what amount of expenditure may be needed, to calculate only according to the number of ships and the number of trips. You must take into connection with that the relative size of the vessels employed. Why, sir, in a few years, the wear and tear of these vessels, and the outlay required for the purpose of keeping them afloat, 6 will amount to an actual absorption of the whole principal invested. Permit me to add, also, that another element is to be taken into the account; and that is, the speed with which the vessels traverse the ocean. The more the speed is increased, the greater is the injury to the ship, the more rapidly are the works worn out, and a larger outlay is required for the purpose of keeping her in a running condition. So that it may be very true, that, if we would reduce our ships to the size of the Cunarders; if we would drop them down to a screw propeller, going at the rate of six miles an hour, we might, perhaps, be able to run the vessels, to walk them, or to let them creep, at less money than is required to maintain these large ships, and keep them in that state of proud superiority as to speed which now distinguishes them. Gentlemen may speculate upon the question, whether these ships ought to cost so much money in maintaining and running them; but the fact is, they do cost it. The fact is, that the expenses exceed the receipts of the company at the rate of nearly $17,000 a trip. Then, what is proposed by this amendment? It is to add, not the $17,000, but we propose to increase the rate of compensation: from $19,250 a trip or voyage, to $33,000; that is, we add $13,750 to the compensation allowed for each trip. We hope for better and brighter times. We hope that with this addition these enterprising and patriotic men may be enabled to make good the contest and maintain their superiority. If there be any truth in evidence, if any reliance can be placed upon testimony, the fact is shown that they are losing within a fraction of $17,000 upon every trip. If, therefore, we are to support or assist them at all, it is difficult to conceive what else we could do than to add between $13,000 and $14,000 to the present amount of compensation. But again, under the additional arrangement entered into by the Post Office and the Navy Departments with these gentlemen, six additional trips have to be made, in order to maintain a constant and equal competition through the winter as well as in the spring and summer months. Then we must recollect, that with regard to these winter trips, besides all the enhanced difficulties whidh accompany them, they fall greatly short in the ordinary remuneration. The winter freights are small, and the winter passengers are few. So that, putting all these considerations together, I think it must be evident to every gentleman, that if any assistance is to be afforded, that proposed in the amendment is by no means unreasonably large. Gentlemen may suppose that if this assistance is withheld, this enterprise will still be prosecuted. Permit me to assure them that they are entirely mistaken. So sure as the proposed amendment is rejected, and Congress declines to give the asked for, the desired aid, the very next step will be an application from these gentlemen to be relieved from the ruinous contract into which they have entered with the Government. If we refuse this aid, the other application we cannot deny. It would be unjust and cruelly ungenerous to deny it. No question can remain, but that the moment that application is made to Congress, it will be favorably considered, and promptly granted. Then, how should we stand? The line is to be discontinued! Who would benefit by its discontinuance? English capital, English enterprise, English reputation, and the national honor and glory of England. By whom is the loss to be borne? In each and every one of these particulars it is to be borne by us. My honorable friend from Virginia said, that if at a single stroke all these Collins steamers were sunk into the bottom of the ocean, there was no doubt but that the Cunard steamers would still bring us the mails. No doubt of that, sir. And does any man doubt, that if the whole American marine were to-morrow gulphed in the depths of the ocean, but that British commercial vessels would still bring us the products of foreign countries, and take away the products of our own? But is there any man here, is there any man in America, whose soul is so dead to the perceptions of national honor and national interest, who would be willing to accept the last alternative? Not my friend from Virginia, I am sure. But, if there be any correctness in the reasoning which he applied to the case of the steamers, the reasoning applies with precisely the same force, and is entitled to just the same weight, in the case to which I apply it. Would anybody be benefited? Why, surely not, sir. Would the vessels engaged in prosecuting, under sail and without the aid of steam, the commercial pursuits of the United States gain the advantage of discontinuing this line? Surely they would not, sir. The passengers would then go by the Cunard line from this country to England, and from England here. And why? Because, in the rage for rapid motion now prevailing, men will always travel by that conveyance which gives them the speediest transmission from one end of their journey to the other. Would sailing vessels be benefited with regard to freights by the discontinuance of this line? Surely not; for the freights which are transmitted by the Collins line would then, for a very obvious reason, be transmitted by the Cunard line. If the Collins line were put out of the way, there would be no effectual competition in regard to freights between ordinary sail-vessels and steamn-vessels. The steamers carry those freights which are of comparative lightness and of increased value. The ordinary heavy freights, which seek sure and cheap transmission, cannot afford to bear the additional expense of steamer transportation. My friend from Virginia mentioned yesterday that he understood from some persons concerned in iron works, that these steamers had actually brought over iron at so small a rate as almost to put it on the footing of taking it in for ballast. Now, I think my friend's informant must have been mistaken. I learn from a source which is, I think, optitled to the highest credit, that not one ton of iron has ever been brought in these steamers as ballast. They do not want ballast, with the immense weight of their machinery, with the immense quantities of coal which they carry. One great object is to reduce the amount of pressure, and to enable them to move, therefore, with more rapidity. Sail vessels are in the habit often of carrying articles in that way, because when they are solid and heavy, it relieves them from the necessity of cumbering themselves with the ballast which they would otherwise require. Then it seems to me that the discontinuance of this line involves the certain consequence of giving the whole steam communication between this country and Great Britain, and, as a consequence of it, the steam communication between this country and the continent of Europe, into the hands of British steamship owners. There is no escape from it. 8 If I were now to suppose that a large outlay would be required during the whole continuance of this contract, for a very small remuneration in the form of postages to the United States, I should, for one, be exceedingly unwilling to see this line go down. I do not exactly agree with my friend from Virginia. I do not believe that money is devoted to its proper purposes by being hoarded. I do not believe that money expended to advance the honor, to promote the interests, to maintain the supremacy of my own country, is ever otherwise than well and effectually bestowed-bringing that return which nations should consider as the highest and the best, the improvement of the condition of their people, the elevation of the character of the whole; for with regard to nations the reputation of strength is strength. He who has established a character of invincibility will not be very likely to have his pretensions put to the test by an actual conflict. Nothing, undoubtedly, supports individual States more in the world than the reputation of perseverance, strength, and inflexible integrity. But, then, is there any reason to suppose that we shall be left in such a situation? My friend from Virginia does not believe that this line will be so prosecuted, or can be so prosecuted, as to make an adequate return to the Treasury, in the shape of postages, for the expenditures which will be involved. Now, upon what is that founded? In all our domestic concerns, have we not ever found that the postages of the country are upon the increase, that every facility given to correspondence increases correspondence, and that just and reasonable reductions upon the prices of postage are followed by a large increase in the amount received from postages? Postal arrangements by steam-vessels are now in their beginning. They are just in the commencement, where they are showing us what they will do. I entertain a strong and confident expectation and hope, that if we give the required assistance to this line, it will be able to maintain itself, and overmaster the competition in which it is now engaged; and that in a few. years we shall have not only the satisfaction of knowing that our country has maintained, increased, and consolidated its reputation in the eyes of the world as a great naval power, as a nation of enterprise and untiring perseverance, and that even in a pecuniary point of view we shall receive the just reward of this high and elevated course of conduct, by having immense amounts of money poured into the Treasury. What has been the increase already? Why, the increase of the line to Havre the year before, makes nearly $200,000. Who shall set bounds to it? No one. If, therefore, it were to be viewed solely as a question of dollars and cents —as the outlay of money with the expectation of a return in money-I think the case is one which, if my friend from Virginia would bring his peculiar tact to bear of calculating, which, as the Chairman of the Committee on Finance, he ought to do, how much will be received for a given sum laid out, he will see that even upon that mode of treating this subject, and keeping a careful and watchful eye upon the Treasury, we are likely to bring a great deal more into it than will be paid out of it by this proposition. Then, Mr. President, there are other considerations connected with this matter. These are war steamers. They enable us not only to accomplish the mastery and to insure victory in the peaceful contest of 9 skill and enterprise in which we are now embarked, but they are well calculated, in the event of another and bloody contest, to enable us to maintain in that the same superiority. My friend from Virginia thinks that they are not calculated for war steamers. I have heretofore said, on another occasion, that I should consider them as capable of being efficient vessels of war until the contrary had been demonstrated by experiment. And why, sir? They were built for vessels of warthey were built under the direction of the Navy Department, directed and superintended by all the skill in naval construction of which that Department is master. Every requisition made by Government in their construction was fully and completely complied with; and with regard to strength, the requirements of the Department were even exceeded by the proprietors of the line. Mr. HUNTER. I dislike to interrupt the gentleman, but does he mean to say that these steamers are built of white oak, as ships of war are built? Mr. BADGER. I said they were built according to the requisitions of the Navy Department. Although I once had the honor to be at the head of the Navy Department, I do not claim for myself a perfect acquaintance with all the details of naval armament. I do not say that I have not the time, but I have not the energy of my friend from Virginia, to make myself acquainted with these particulars. I take my position here. I have no skill in such matters; I pretend to none. These vessels were built under the direction of an act of Congress, which required that they should be built under the superintendence of the Navy Department. They were built under the supervision of the proper officers of the Navy Department-those officers to whom the Government trusts when it builds shipsof its own, to see that they have the necessary qualities. I suppose that, when my friend used the term " white oak," he did not mean " white oak," but " live oak." I understand from my friend from Rhode Island, [Mr. CLARKE,] who comes from a quarter of country where every man understands these matters, even Senators, that they are built of white oak, though not of live oak. Mr. HUNTER. The Senator from Florida, [Mr. MALLORY,] who is acquainted with these subjects, tells me that they are planked with pine, and not with white oak, as is usual with vessels of war. Mr. BADGER. Well, sir, I was not speaking of planking. I was speaking of timbers. Mr. HUNTER. The strength of vessels depends in some degree on the planking. Mr. BADGER. I wish my friend from Florida would get up and give his testimony now. Mr. MALLORY. What testimony is it? Mr. BADGER. I do not know. You are not my witness. [Laughter. ] Mr. MALLORY. If the question is what the steamers are planked with, I will say that every ship that I have happened to know anything about, built under naval directions, has been planked with oak planks. The Collins steamers are planked with pine. If they are not, they have been officially misrepresented.'I'he timbers and frames of naval vessels are live oak, and the timbers and frames of the Collins steamers are a mixture of live oak, locust, and pine. 10 Mr. BADGER. Well, be it so. I would ask the Senator from Florida one question. He says these steamers are planked with pine. Are they not planked with Southern pine? Mr. MALLORY. Certainly, sir. Mr. BADGER. Enough said. If they are planked with Southern pine, it is a great deal better than Northern oak. [Laughter.] Mr. MALLORY. All I have to say is, that it has not been so considered by the naval authorities of this country, who have uniformly preferred oak. Mr. BADGER. That is because they have inclined to Northern interests. I am very happy to say that they are coming round. I am for Southern pine against Northern oak. The naval constructors had the direction of these vessels, they were approved by them, and they were accepted by the Department. As I have said, and now repeat, I shall consider them as competent steam war-vessels, until, by some experiments, the contrary shall be shown. Nothing can be urged against this but opinion. My friend from New Jersey [Mr. MILLER] the other day read two brief opinions upon this subject-one from the naval constructor, and the other from one of the most eminent gentlemen who belong to the Navy. Commodore Perry, in a letter to the Secretary of the Navy, says: "According to my calculations, the cost of the conversion of either the beforementioned vessels, exclusive of armaments, repair of machinery, &c., would not, or certainly ought not, to cost for each steamer over $20,000; and it could readily be done for thts at any of our navy yards. With respect to the description and weight of their respective armaments, I am clearly of the opinion that the firstclass steamers already named could easily carry four 10-inch Paixhan guns on pivots —two forward and two aft-of the weight of those in the Mississippi, and ten 8-inch Paixhan guns on the sides; and this armament would not incommode the vessels, and the weight less than the ice, which is usually forty tons, and stowed away in one mass." Again, he says: " Tn the general operations of a maritime war they could render good service, and especially would they be useful from their great speed as dispatch vessels, and for the transportation of troops, always capable of attack and defence and of overhauling or escaping from an enemy.'' The Atlantic. Pacific, Baltic, and Arctic, have all been built, inspected, and received by the Navy Department." My friend from New Jersey also read a letter of Mr. Grice, very well known for his skill as a naval constructor. He says, in a letter to the Chairman of the Committee on Naval Affairs: UNITED STATES NAVY YARD, PHILADELPHIA, April 14, 1852. SIR: In answer to yours of the 13th, I have to state, as chief naval constructor, the specifications for building the Collins line of steamers were submitted to me, and approved, as in accordance with the act of 3d March, 1847. They can be converted into war-steamers to carry a battery equal to our largest steam frigates, in a short time, and the necessary alterations to be made to receive such a battery will not exceed a cost of $20,000 each. I am, sir, with great respect, your obedient servant, FRANCIS GRICE. To the Hon. WILLIAM M. GWIN, United States Senate, Washington. We have, then, the opinion of Commodore Perry, that these vessels, in case of a general maritime war, would be exceedingly valuable, not 11 merely as transports, as my friend from Virginia seemed to suppose, but that they would be pre-eminently valuable for war purposes, from two considerations-first, their superiority of speed; and, secondly, their power both of attack and defence. But my friend from Virginia seemed to be of opinion that speed was not any recommendation to a war vessel. " What," said he, " do we prepare our ships with speed in order that they may run away from an enemy? " I answer, Yes, when there is occasion to run; and we should furnish them with speed to overtake an enemy when there is occasion to overtake him. However dignified and lofty it may sound for a gentleman to say that he does not think it a recommendation that one of our ships of war should have speed to escape from an enemy, yet tried by its practical application to things, every man knows that there are occasions in the history of all bodies of men, whether they serve by land or by sea, where nothing is of more importance than to have speed, in order to escape a foe whom they cannot overmaster or successfully resist. My friend from Virginia should recollect that the very speed which enables them to escape a superiority of force, carries them also with triumphant power and unexpected suddenness, which gives additional force to the attack upon an enemy whom it is desirable to meet, and against whom they are capable of successfully contending. It seems to me, then, that in either view of the subject, first considering these vessels as mere instrumentalities for the transmission of intelligence, and maintaining our postal arrangements, we have every reason to believe that the money which this amendment proposes to give, in addition to their present compensation, will be amply remunerated to us; and, in the second place, if this were not so, we have, what is of great importance to us, the four largest and fleetest steamers in the world, ready at any and all times to be incorporated into our warlike marine. The Senator from Virginia talks about there being six or eight weeks required for preparing them for war purposes. Now, they can be speedily prepared, and at a very small cost. What that' speed " means is very readily shown by the extracts which were read yesterday by the Senator from Texas, [Mr. RusK,] showing that, in the British service, the change of steamers into vessels for war purposes was accomplished in three days, when it was desirable to convert them into vessels of war. But, in order to avoid any difficulty whatever in regard to the supposed loss which the Government is ultimately to sustain, I have an amendment which I mean to propose, if the Senate shall adopt the amendment now under consideration, as a proviso, for transferring to the Post Office Department the charge of this line of steamers, and supposing it should result in such great loss, after a fair experiment has been tried upon the subject, authorizing Congress to discontinue the contract. This, I think, will relieve the amendment of all reasonable objections. I have no fear, myself, that Congress will ever be called upon to exert such a power. On the contrary, I believe that the longer the line exists and is maintained, the more the hearts of the people will cluster around it as a source of national advantage and national pride. There is, however, Mr. President, one other objection which has been sometimes urged against this amendment. It is said that, sup 12 posing the amendment to be proper in itself-supposing it is proper to be adopted upon a suitable bill, and at a suitable time, it is not a proper amendment to put upon this bill. Upon that subject I wish to say a few words. This is a bill to supply deficiencies in the appropriations for the service of, the present half fiscal year. In my opinion, the amendment is in itself proper, and suitable to this bill. It will be recollected that, during the recess of Congress, the heads of the Post Office and Navy Departments came to an arrangement or understanding with the proprietors of the Collins line, that they should increase the trips from twenty to twenty-six per annum; that they should commence the increased service on the first of January last, and that they should trust to Congress affirming what had been done, and for fixing the rate of additional compensation, if any should be given. The subject was brought to our attention by reports from the proper Departments. Now, if Congress think proper to give their sanction to this arrangement, there is a deficiency in the appropriations made at the last session for this half fiscal year. I cannot conceive why this provision is not as appropriate to this bill as any of the other provisions which are contained in it. True, sir, the necessity for this appropriation did not exist when the general appropriation bill was passed; true, the arrangement which has caused this deficiency has been made since the close of the last session of Congress; true, it has arisen under a conditional understanding and agreement, subject to the ratification of Congress; but still, if we are disposed to ratify it, we give it validity and effect from the commencement, and thereby produce the very deficiency which this appropriation is intended to supply. But suppose that it is not so. Forms must yield to substance. There is a necessity sometimes for disregarding the ordinary routine in which business is discharged, and to accomplish what is necessary at the time and in the manner in which it can alone be accomplished. Now, if this amendment is not put here, it will be too late. The moment it is rejected, we shall be called upon by this company to discharge them from the obligation of running the line which they are now running at such ruinous sacrifices-a call which we cannot, without great injustice and want of generosity, resist. The consequence will be, if this amendment is thrown out upon an idea that it is not appropriate to the bill now pending before the Senate, that the line will go down. I had in my possession a few days ago (and which, I am very sorry to say, I have lost) a letter addressed to my honorable friend from New York, [Mr. FISH,] by a very distinguished citizen of this country, well known as once a member of the other House from the State of New York-well known for being one of the most liberal, intelligent, and enterprising of American merchants for many years. I mean Moses H. Grinnell. He wrote a letter to my friend from New York upon the subject of this line, and with that letter I had proposed to support, as by authority, some of the suggestions which I have ventured to throw out. I have unfortunately mislaid it. In that letter he says, to my friend, it might be supposed that the maintenance of this line would operate injuriously upon the large packet interests in which he is concerned. But he says that he wishes him distinctly to understand that his pride as an American would never permit him to 13 suffer any such paltry interests of his own to stand in the way of the maintenance of a line which was reflecting such distinguished honor and bringing such distinguished advantage to the country. Besides, he says that even that view must be considered to a great extent fallacious; because, if this line were discontinued, it would do nothing for the sailing packets, but would merely throw what is now transported of passengers and of freight by the Collins line entirely in the hands of the English steamers. He makes another remark, that enterprising and intelligent merchants who look far ahead-further, I believe, than politicians or even statesmen, for their horizon is generally bounded by the approaching Presidential election, and we are too much in the habit of controlling our views and circumscribing our patriotism by considerations connected with the advance or defeat of a particular party-see, in the present condition of Europe, symptoms of such an outbreak there as may necessarily involve the removal, temporarily at least, of the Cunard steamers from the purposes to which they are now devoted; and, if then the Collins line should go down, one of the greatest benefits to commerce that this country or the world has ever experienced-that of speedy, prompt, almost instantaneous, communication between Europe and this country, would be entirely destroyed. So that, in any event, whatever may be the case, he is clearly of opinion that the honor and the interests of the country equally require that Congress should give it such aid as is necessary to enable it effectually to succeed-not doled out with a grudging hand, but given with the spirit of men who realize what is their duty to themeelves and their country, and who are resolved to discharge it. Mr. President, I have occupied rather more time than I intended upon this subject. I wish to conclude by merely saying that though personally I am as far removed from any connection with, or any immediate advantage from, the Collins line, and all the various facilities it affords, as any other gentleman on this floor, and perhaps as any other gentleman in this country, yet as en American citizen I should deeply regret to see that line go down. I should regret it, from a just and honest pride in the superiority of my country-regret it, from an eager and anxious desire to see all her interests developed, and to see her growing in wealth, and in power, and in reputation. If we give this assistance, and if, having supported this line with all the available means in our power, we should at last, in a fair contest, be beaten by our English rival, I should regret that, deeply regret it; but I should feel that we had suffered no disgrace; for he who does all he can, and is overmastered, may be unfortunate, but he can never be looked upon with contempt. But if we voluntarily recede from the undertaking in which we are embarked-if we withhold the necessary aid-if we say to England, " Take possession of this great line; we retire from the contest; be you the mistress of the seas in the estimation of all the world, and let us sink into a secondary, contemptible position "-if we should do that, I should feel that we had not only committed a false step, had not only lost what we might have maintained, but had covered ourselves with dishonor. From that I hope my country will ever be safe.