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I feel under a considerable difficulty in rising to speak at this period of the debate, because the hon. gentlemen who have preceded me from this side of the Cham- ber, have submitted to the consideration of the House and the country a proposi- tion so broad, so statesmanlike, so far in the interests of this country, that the Chinese-wall-of-protection party on the other side, eloquent and argumentative as their speeches have been, from their own stand point, have been wholly un- able to gainsay the position we have taken. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentle- men who have spoken from the commence- ment of this debate, 01 our side of the House, have submitted a proposition, and have proclaimed correctly the con- dition of this country to be such, and its financial position such, Rs call for the immediate consideration of this Parlia- ment, and the consideration of the people outfide of it. Now, Sir, hon. gentlemen, in the early part of this debate, quoted speeches which had been made by hon. gentlemen on this side on pre- yious occasions. They endeavored to mak out that some hon. this side had been gentlemen on INCONSISTENT IN THEIR UTTERANCES, and that the policy which they advocate now was not in accordance with the policy which they had advocated, indif vidually, on other occasions. One of those gentlemen, my hon. friend from Queen's (Mr. Davies), has answered for himself to-day ; he has shown this House that his speech, taken in its plain and literal meaning, from beginning to end, was not capable of the interpretation, which the hon. Mmister of Marine chose to put upon it. And I have no doubt that hon. gentlemen will endeavor, before this debate is over, to make quo- tations from observations of mine. I hope they will do so. However, I may spare them the necessity of that, Mr. Speaker, because I ^tend to give this House, before I resume my seat, the benefit, if benefit it may be, of the opi- nions which I have expressed with regard to our relations with the United States for a very considerable number of years past. (Cheers). Now, Sir, we have, in this present position, an entirely new departure. We have here a -question which has never yet been formally submitted to the consideration of the people. It has been an abs- tract question ; it has been one which people's minds may have dwelt on, but it has aever been the deliberate policy of a pai-ty, and it has never been deliber- ately submitted for the consideration of the people. And how aie we met ? We are met with the cry that it is DISLOYAL TO THE OLD COUNTRY The hon. gentlemen who has just re- sumed his seat indulged us with that riy to a considerable extent, and closed bis speech bv an appeal to the sentimental aspect of this question, and stating the strength of that sentiment in the hearts of the people of Canada to-day. Sir, I agree with the hon. gentleman that there is a great deal in sentiment. 1 a<^ree with the hon. gentleman that 'aeat needs and great sufferings have been "undergone for the sake of mere sentiment. But, Sir, if sentiment stands between us £ .d our necessities to-day, our duty to Canada points to the course we should take in the interests of Canada. (Ap- plause.) Sir, sitting here as one of the representatives of this Dominion, I am prepared, for my part, to say, let as consider the interests of Canada first. That, Mr. Speaker, has been the policy of hon. gentlemen on the other side of the House, thit has been the policy of the right hon. gentleman in times gone by. That was the policy laid down by the right hon. gentleman in that Minute of Council quoted by the hon. member for Queen's (Mr. Davies) the other day when the right lion, gentleman declared that the only way to make the people of Canada contented in their present posi- tion was TO MaKE THEM PROSPEROUS ; and no one knew better than he did that if there was prosperity in this country from one end to the ether, the people were satisfied and contented with their political position. (Hear, hear. ) But, as has been shown, if the tru-, inte- vestg of a country were suffering, if the people sf\^ on the other side of the line a market vhich would take all of tl^eir surplus productions, if they saw that market closed by a Chinese wall against us in consequence of the action of this Government, then I say that the time would come for the j^eople of Canada to look around and make overtures, as this ..f.gf.!„<.ion invites us to make, to the large, friendly, and powerful people to the south, and ask them if some modvx Vivendi may not be arrived at whereby wc two English-speaking races on this continent may be able to exchange our products to our mutual advantage. (Applause.) 1 say, at the outset of this discussion, that I am glad to hear hon. gentlemen on the other side point- ing Oi't ALL THE DI3.VDVANTAGES that are going to arise to the Dominion under the operation of such an Act. I am glad to hear that for chis reason : because the friends of this measure— and we have friends on the other side of the i.orde- —will be able to .how the people of the United States that there is at least a division of opinion on this side of the border. (Hear,hear.) If there was only one view of iha question taken in this Chamber, if every member in the House i,nd every man in the country would cor- dially accept the views advanced by the hon. gentlemen who have preceded me, why, the friends of that measure, and 1 believe they are growing m the United States, would not have the advantage of pointing out there was a division ot opinion on the other side of the border as well. I hold that this is a matter which, while largely in the interests of Canada, is largely in the interests of the people of the United States as well. It is to their interest — • An hon. MEMBER. Hear, hear. Mr. JONES. An hon. gentleman saya " hear, hear.'' Does the hon. gen- tleman in any of his dealings with his fellow-men except to have all the ad van tages on his own side ] (Cheers.) Why, is it a policy that no far-reaching states- manship ever for one moment contem- plates or desires. We desire, if we go to the United States, to say to them : Here we come offering you a trade which is to your advantage to do, and which during the time you had it undtr the operation of the reciprocity treaty proved to be such, and now with our enlarged com- mercial systen, our increased number of railways, our increased population in s t'anada— and in the United States as ■well — we believe it will be a measure for our mutual benefit, and so, come, let us trade together. (Hear, hear.) Whv, tlie Minister of Finance when at Wash- ington the other day made this j)ropo8i- tion. I regret be is not here. How do we now know tliatthe Mini-ster of Finance did not make a proposal similar to that called for in the resolution before the House ] We know he PROPOSED A RESOLUTION THERE in the interests of extended commerce ; and now we find a resolution brought down here under the direction of the leader of this House calling for a Chinese- wall-i>olicy of protection against the United States. Well, Sir, it appears to me that if the Minister of Finance were here to-day he would hare euaer to ex- plain his policy, or the leader of the Gov- ernment would have to explain his. {Applause.) We seem to have a Mikado and a Tycoon in this matter, and I would like to hear whether the policy of the Tycoon at Washington can be recon- ciled with the policy of the Mikado in the House of Commons to-day. (Cheers and laughter.) The hon gentleman who resumed his seat a few moments ago said that the Americans were trying to coerce us in consequecce of the hostile position we assumed during the Southern War. The hon. gentleman, 1 have no dov.bt, thought he was right in the evidence he offered ; but if the hon. gentleman had occupied a seat in this House from 1874 to 1878, during the time the National Policy was first discussed in this Cham- ber and subsequently over the country, the hon. gentleman WOULb HAVE REMEMBERED THE SPEECHES made by his leader, by the Finance Min- ister, by everj Tory member in this H ouse to the effect that we are going to teach the United Stales their position. We were not g'>ing to allow them to have the advantage of our market, we loere not going to allow them to make this a slaughter market for their products, and we were ffoing to iffiDOse a tariff and a National Policy against the United States which was going to bring the United S-ates to their senses in a very short time. (Hear, hear.) I contend that those utterances of our public men on that occasion in this House and after- wards in the country did more than any other line of policy ever adopted, mor« than the National Policy itself, to em- bitter the public sentiment of the United States, the minds of the leading states- men in Congress, against the people of this country who were GULLED BY SUCH AN UTTERANCE as that ; and when, unfortunately for the interests of Canada, the Government came into power and had a;i opportunity to carry out their policy, they carried it out to the fullest extent, they carried it out with the boast that they were going to reduce our imports and trade with the United States, they were going to increase our trade with Great Britain and were going to teach the United States the fact that we could get along without them. The absurdity of that was seen from the beginning, the absurdity of that has been felt by every business man and by every farmer and by every man who has any acquaintance with the position of affairs in this country. (Cheers.) We are living alongside of the people of the United States who want what we have to sell ; they take and they are the only people who will take and who can take what we have to dis- pose of, and we have to send them our products minus the duty which was im- posed in consequence of the threatenings of the Tory party of this country. The hon. gentleman who has just resumed hi?, Esat, indulged occasionally in poetical quotations. I followed him with a great deal of interest, and if he had confined himself to poetical (luotations I am sure, im many respects, his statements would have been more accurate and more inter- esting to the House. The hon. gentle- man indulged in a quotation from an unknown author, and as if to show how easy it was to descend from the sublime CAME DOWN TO THE LETEI. OF thought, S»r, that ^^^^ p^.^ ^'' S* >,at tile Ton. gentleman was bended what *"« "°" , ^ walked over goiug to say 7^^;„^,^JJf him during Ld took his seat ^^o^gf/^^^^. ,He Min- ,he dljc--on and 1 «.e^^^^^ ,^^, ,,1 iater of Inland i^^y^"^"*" .^. „ y.im a wink ago I brought lu a ^y' manufactured girine to be J-Pf^^^^^.^^^d laughter.) in this country. i^^^^f^^ ,1,^3 'Strong It was only on account cith^^^ » feeling in this House that on a,y hon. friend f'-o"^ ^lant Mr ^^ ^^^ who sits beside me the P^^^^^^ ^as ^^- J^rr^vet^rinSture and KlcU iS this^uuntry. J^^ aside the hon. ge^^^^^"'^'^^ ^ walty with regard to our ^-ty -d^,^ We towards England, 1 J^^ gir I would a great deal ^o -BweI^ ^u^^^ ^ir, ^^^^^^ aak the hon. ge^^l'.man lor ^^^ which he aervea ""d'' *"„ J' ent on leader of the Ho-» -^^ZTa adre«, that occasion, m *!>« ™' j into the f«m the Throne "h-ch he pnt m montJi of the Governor Gf f "' '°^„„i„ to t>."-«r.t clTratl^ JO" - those words. i- c""o , ^ ^^gen the legislative «*««^^^X„ent to tb.e given by the Ivnpenal ^f --^i.i,,^ of Act ofUnicn under the P ^ ^^.^^ which we are now assemDieu . has laid the foundation of a ue^ • Uty. ' What does A NEW NATIONALITY „.ean,Mr.SpeataJ-D^» j^-^-" •""..rrfrlJ'^jting elaeKHear, StSein^emen had ^«n -peak- i„g abo* during the jho^ po'f « caipaign that P'^^^^ ^ the D»,ni- Union, from f «? ^f ""f,| "men staled -on.of ^Xf;: hTd ^ Sne? our pr.- publicly, that we u»" ■ Ltvo^itionl-c^^^^^^^ to assume the duti^« ^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^. r.ew country, l.repeat a ^^^^^^ vprv first occasion on w^ii^n u mouth ot tne w inaugurated a memorable words that je ma ^^^^ ^^^^ naw nationality. (^^'.j^^ object 0? was the consequence and^th^^ 3.^^^^ '^' ^rAon Gentleman who spoke .0 tion. The hon. genu ^ , ^q. eloquently wi h ^^^^f'^^^^^ Jl, I ..ards the old country would a ,^^ !-• 1 <iir if he would ask nis nou. think, bir, u ne." meaning, when, leagues to explam then "?f*^'^^^^^ it the very first oppoi^nmty they^^a^^^^ ^?r lir ifuiboconiesanyoftho.se ahty. ^^\'IV to brand tbc hon. gentlemen to endeavor ^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^ rr?u:tratt::;e endeavoring TO LEAD THE PEOPLE AWAY T^Vipv themselves ^«-t.trSr lis their GOV (^o.ernn.entj^^t^^Xlt large that the people of this ^^^\J^ ^^ ^dopt a we had made up o r ^^ " t ^^^^^.^^^^, new nationality, which me ^^^^^^ n™/.'dU;^TStlemanwith'regavd what did the hon. o*^ oddition to the to this question say ! J^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^f ^,i,„ charges they make -^^S^^^^'J^ ^^,^^ ^-e unfair to the ^o- ^^^^^.^e that this have not be;en able to J^r ^^ ^^^^, policy would be of adW\auatries, Uermen, and O"^ ^^""^i a^id before, Kow, Sir, this q"^«*^^"';'J„ot in the a very few years ago,^aB ^^^^ portion which It IS to-day _..^^ ^^ ^^^^ Tot aware then -hal \nc g>— "g.^t,,. question would be in tne u To-day what do wo seo 1 We see a broad invitation from that distinguished man Mr. Bayard, the Aniencan Secretary ot State, to Sir Chatle:. l\ipi>er, asking hha to " COME AXI) DISCUSS THE QUESTIONS in a straightforward treatment on a li- beral and statesmanlike |.lanof the entivp commercial r< lutions bet-veen tlie ..o Empires" (Applause). Th^t indbtion is the 8an»e as coming from tue heii-1 oi the Govprnmeiit, and, indeed, we hatl previoaaly received almost a similar in- vitation from the head of the Government himself. This coming from the Premier, BO to say, of the United States— the lea- der of the Cabinet, was an emphatic declaration on the part of the people of the United States, so far as the Govern- ment were concerned, that, m tiieir judgment, the time had arrived when this xp^tion could be properly considered with Canada. Sir Charles Tupper, the hon. the Minister of Finance, who has since been in Washington, made a most cordial reply to this invitation. He did not intimate any desire ou the part of Canada not to enter into the relations, but he says : " I entiiely agree in your statement that we both seek to obtain a iust and permanent settlement and that there is but one way to procure it, and that is by a straightforward treatment on a liberal and statesmanlike plan of the entire com- mercial relations of the two countries." Here, Sir, we have then the whole case before us. We have since seen a lesclu- tion introduced into Congres by Mr. But- terworth and subsequently, by Mr. Hitt, and we have seen the PUBLIC EXPRESSION OF OPINION from public men in the United States with regard to this measure, and we be- lieve to-day that they are watching with great deal of interest the discussions that take place in this House. (Cheers.) The hon. gentleman has quoted occasionnally from Mr. Wiman. Now, Mr. Wiman, I have no doubt, has given considerable at- tention to this question, and Mr- Wi- man's idea would be quite in accord with the policy now under consideration here. Ye SHI' 8 ' "liie secoiid plan of unrestricted recipro- city to which in vour letters you referred would be a most admirable arrangement, and next to the old reciprocity treaty would be most acceptable no doubt throughout Ca- nada. It is as you say that the extension^of the plan as laid down in the treaty of 1874, r.rged by General Grant on the part cf the Uiiitad States, and by the Honorable George Brown on ihu part cf Cannda. Had this nego- tiation been successful no Act in Ganeral Grant's Administralicn would have paralle- led it ir, importance and buneficial results to the Uiiited States ; vhile this consummation as a lesnlt of Mr. llrown's efforts would have added a lustre to a name already famous m Canada that would have been international in its scope." Then, Sir, he goes on to say : ' The conclusion therefore is that whih the first plan in the foregoing list— the old reci] jcity treaty, is impossible, tue second that of unrestricted reciprocity is possible only by the early and prompt action of the Canadian Government, speaking on behalf ot the people and making at once the necessary propositions from which the knowledge of the fact, 1 believe could be promptly earned through in view of the agitation and interest which haa been excited on the question here. If n« such action is taken by the represen- tatives of the Canadian Governmsnt it is impossible to conceive that the American Congress could be mduced to initiate a move of this limited character. ' Now, Sir, you will find by this that Mr. Wiman, who has given a great deal of ATTENTION TO THIS SUBJECT, had come to the conclusion that unres- tricted reciprocity such as we are advo- cating to-day was entirely in accordance with the sentiment in the United States and would find acceptance there. This question of our relations with the United States as I have said before has been considesed at various places and has been spoken to by myself, and as I may be misquoted or partially quoted by the hon. gentlemen who follow me, I will read -what 1 said in the House last year while that question was under consideration : "In regard to the treaty I think it very 11 undesirable that here or elaewhere any ex- pressions of opinion should be given as to the great dcMrability or necessity of a treaty lith the United States. Shortly after the treaty expired there was a meeting held at the (5ham\er of Commerce, Hali ax whe. a resolution was moved calling on the Govern- ment to take immediate steps to renew it_ On that occasion 1 said 1 thought .hat while it was well known throughout this country that our people were anxious for a renewal of the reciprocity treaty on equal terms, it was not wise or judicions that we should pubUsh to the world from every conamercial standpoint the opinions we entertained on that subject. I am aware this expression ot mine was quoted againit me on a recenl political occasion m my own province, but I expressed it tuere in the same sense in which 1 would express it here, because I believe the Govenimeut recognising their responsibility m sealing with a matter of such importance, ^offhe freer to act on behalf of our country if there was not brought to bear from the other side expressions of opinion from our own peopie that we could not live or prosper without trade relations with that country. I took the precaution of adopting that policy for this very reason. I did not vfish to say anything that might be used against us by those in the United States who are opposed to a reciprocity treaty with us, in any future negotiations which might take plac«. (Hear, Hear) I remem- ber very well the speeches which were deli- vered in this House, on thti Washington Treaty, by the hon. leader of the Govern- ment and the h<m. Minister of Finance I remember those hon. gentlemen stand- ing in their places and pointing out the great advantages that we WERE GAINING UNDER THAT TREATY, pointing out that under it we were gain- ing everything and tiving up nothing ; and the speeches of those hon. gentlemen were quoted entirely in the American case submitted to the HaUfax Commis- sion. And while I did not suppose that my speeches would have so much impor- tance in the eyes of the public as the speeches of gentlemen who occupy the high position those hon. gentlemen oc- CUUlcCi ciw tiiiii* Llllivy a.iiM rrv» .-»-— . ^. . was unwilling that any member of this House should make use of any languftJfB which American negotiators might throw up against us whenever w« came to nego- tiate with them. Shortly after tliat I was interviewed by the Boston G/ohf, which WHS very anxious to know what we, in Nova Scotia, thought in regard to this matter. In that interview I said : "I wa.s a member of a Government and be- long to a party that has always desired the c5st comme/cial relations with the United States, and I do not hesitate to say that f our pauy came into power to-morrow or S object w.uldbe. so far as consistent wi'^thour financial obligations, to place our Trade relations with our neighbors across he border on the freest and broadest basis possi- ble I do not beUeve in Commercial Umoti Neither country, I believe, would agree to it but if the tariflof both countries could be reconsidered I think a way would be found by which we might trade with our neighbors who are our natural customers, on a much Tore liberal and extended basis than we do !t present, I believe that a great deal of bad feeSng w^ engendered m the minds of the people of the iTnited States and in the minds S^her leading statesmen by the constant cry that" as kept up by the Tory party of the Dominion during the time ^^^^ the I.ibera^ Government waa.m power, that ihev the Tories) by pursuing a policy of retaliation would force ?rade concessions from the Am - ricans. The Liberals of this country nt%er Sed such a policy. They desired the freest trade relations consiitent with reveniie re- qubeilnts. beUeving that the -ore intamat- our commercial intercourse was the better feeling it would engender among the popu- lation of the two countiies. 'VVe cannot forget that we have a large interest in the New England States parlicu- larlv Their factories are operated largely oy Nov; Scodans, their fishing fleet is largely manned by our own hardy ^on.^^n^^^^ number of people from Nova Scotia, New Brunswick andjfrince Edward Island who havem^e then homes in their towns and villages it would be difficult to ascertam. I was also interviewed by the Chicago rm«s which reported the interview as fallows :— " Hon. A. G. Jones, M. P., largely engaged in the West Indies and fish trades, has J>een watching with considerable interest the dis- cussion of the question m the U^^^ted States. Y^,vM(.. -n'ninn in Canada would be Ukely to shape itseif in response to action that may be taken in the United States. The people of the Maritime Provinces would favor reci- procity in the limited sense, or a broader measure like Commercial Union, if that is found practicable. ' Our commercial interests are with the United States, and not with Canada," Mr Jones said : ' We have no bind- ing trade interests .betv/een the east and west of Canada, and are ready to extend our commercial relations with any country that will take our products.' If the United States Government were disposed to favour imre- .otricted reciprocity with Canada. Mr. Jones thinks, no great diiiiculty would be exier- ienced m adjusting details of the arrange- ment to the satisfaction of both parties. It is argued that free trade with the United States would be discrimination against the mother country, but Mr. Jones believes no opposition need be feared from that quarter. England knows that the surest way to make Canada contented with her political status as a portion of the Empire is to make her people prosperous. That would undoubt- edly be the case under unrestricted free trade with the United States. 'I look on the proposition with moderate favor,' Mr. Jones said, in conclusion, 'and am prepared to discuss it for the best interests of the country. It ha8 not yet been made a party question." No, Sir, these are the opinions which I have expressed on this measure up to the present time, and therefore I feel jterfectly free to day in coming here and f^iving my allegiance to the policy set forth in the statements I have read. But, Sir, we have heard from hon. gentlemen on the other side of the House— and they have endeavoured to projtsgate the idea in their papers— that the policy of the Liberal party today, the policy of un- restricted reciprocity, means direct tax- ation, the withdrawal of Provincial sub- sidies, the withdrawal of subsidies 'o various railways in the country. Sir, I take entire and immediate exception to that statement. There is no such plank in the platform of the Liberal party to-day ; there is no necessity for any of these results in the arrangement we advocate for the approval of this country. (H^ar, hear.) \V e must come here and discuss this question in a fair and honest spirit, neither overstating nor understating the case, and I am prepared to say that we shoild probably los*? a small amount of revenue under such an arrangement ; but we SHOULD BE ABLE TC ECONOMISE in certain unnecessary expenses to the extent of a few millions. And, then. Sir, above ail, instead ot having cur people in the condition we find them in to-day from one ead of this Dominion to the other, instead of finding their re- sources crippled, their energies hampered, their farms mortgaged, and looking with hopelessness to the future, we should have 'contented and prosperous people, a people with money in their pockets, and we know what it means when people have money in their pockets, for they spend it, and the very man who spends one dollar to-day, would under such a condition of affairs, be able to spend three or four dollans to-morrow. There- fore, I look without the slightest appre- hension to the change involved in thft proposition before the House. If it in- volved anything approaching direct taxation, I should say, stay your hand ; for I should nay that this country could not under any system of government adopt direct taxation. (Applause) Althouiih it might be the most econo- mical if people understood it, they htive not been educated up to the great econo- mical fact that direct taxatien would be the cheapest system they could adopt. And therefore you have to accept public opinion as it is. No party in this country would stand twenty-four hours, if they went to the people with direct taxation on their banners. Therefore, I take this exception at the outset, because I DENY MOST EMPHATICALLY that any sucu result can be involved iu the adoption of the poUcy which we re- commend to-day. (Cheers.) Now, Sir, the hon. gentleman may say that it would be unfair to the old country to dis- criminate against her with regards to the United States. Why, is it not equally unfair to discriminate against the British manufacturer, in so far as the principle and the seuiimeut are concerned, in favor 8 i- It of the Canadian manufacturer ? There is discrimination against the British manufacturer. His gootla cannot come in owing to it, and if they do not come m under one condition of atfaiia, ihoy will not under another ; and so far bh the lojijic and the sense is concerned, it just is as^ unfair for this Government, under the National Policy, to discriminate. Hgainst the Engliah manufacturer by high pro tective duties in favor of the people of Canada, as it would l»e under other cir- cumstances to discriminate against him in favor of the people of the United States. (Applause.) The hon. the Min- ister of Marino and Fisheries the other night dealt at considerable length upon the advantages of our inter -provincial .trade which has arisen out of our present political condition. To fortify his opin- ion, the hon. gentleman quoted an ob- servation made by the Attorney General of Nova Scotia, 'l thoiiglit, as the hon. gentleman made that quotu'ion, he might have had sufficient respect for himself, a.'-, a member of the T)onunioa Govern- ment, to have avoided the sneer he in- dulged in when 8i)eakii)g of the Attorney <>eneral of Nova Scotia, who is not here to answer for himself, by saying that he • was a man who had MADK A GREAT DEAL OP NOISE about himaelf the last two or three years. If the hoH: gentleman were to meet the Attorney General '^f Nova Scotia in de- bate, I have no doubt the Attorney Gen- eral would be able to hold bis own, and ill his absence it is not very statesmanlike on the part of a member of this Govern- ment to attempt to belittle a member of the Local Government. (Hear, hear.) Had the hon. gentleman quoted the Hon. Mr. Longley fairly, he would have had this advantage, that I would not be in a position to make the retort which it is in ray power to make to-day. We very often find hon. gentlemen opposite ' mak- ing quotations from the speeches of hon. gentlemen on this side, without giving us the entire quoiation, but only giving us that portion, which taken by itself, bears out the impression they endeavor to create. They are careful not to givo the fair and literal meaning of what was said. Now, what did Mr, Longley say at the banquet delivered at Boston ? He said : "God and nature never destined that Nova Scotia and Ontario abould traile together. We trafle with Ontario, to be sure. Their drummers permeate uvlt country, and sell $10,000,(>00 of goodo annually, and we pay for ihem most wholly in hard cash. Where do we get the money ? We get it from the pecple of the United States. ' Now, if the Minister of Marino itii Fisheries had finished that quotation by giving us that part of it, he would have done Mr. Longley the justice, to which Mr. Longloy was entitled. The Minister of M?rine and Fisheries said that a large tvYue^iad been growing up between the east and the west. I «t us see in what that trade consists. He says there is a large amount of SUGAR BROUGHT OVER THE INTERCOLONIAL Railway. Weil, ihere is, I admit, a very conaid-ictble quantity of sugar com- ing over the Intercolonial Railway, but when we find every year an annual de- ficiency of $100,000 to $200,000 in the working of the Intercolonial Railway, when we see $8,000,00" to $10,000,000 charged to capital accoimt to the Intercolonial Railway, half of which should go to current expenses, I ask, is it any great advantage after all to force this trade at the expense it involves. (Cheers.) The hon. gentleman says that coal is brought over the Intercolonial Railway. Coal is brought from a cer- tain county represented by the hon. the Minister of Finance, and we have the statement, in reply to my enquiry, and which the hon. the Minister of Railways had the frankness to put in his annual report as explaining increased expendi- ture and diminislied receipts, we have the statement that every pound of that coal carried over the Intercolonial Railway was CARRIED AT A l^EAD LOSS. Is '''hat the way to pfonioie tra-.tO in tois couatry, by making such a sacrifice 1 9 (Hear, hear.) Hon. gentlenipn, fHniiliiir with this husincs;;, are aware that when we come to put a rate of thi-ee-tenths of a cent per ton per mile on coal , tliat involves a lo s U> tho country of a very extenHive oharaftor. I have oeen told by gentlemen funiiliur with tbf^ bumu •hh, and whom I connider an high niitboiity, that about three-quarters of a cent |»er mile is the minimum rate in Uie United States, which, it is considered, will compensate for Y/orking expenses, «o that when we come to cutting that rate down io three- tenths of a cent ]Hir mile, it is forcing trade at a very heavy expense, wViich the taxpayers hare to bear. The hon. gentk man nays that aliout three-quarters of a million bbls. fiov r are carried over the railway. There again the National Policy comes into play. If we were clear cf the National Policy to-day, we would not re.~uire to carry flour over the Intercolonial Railway at a loss because I suppose it hardly pays — fit all events it does not mere thau pay^ — running ex- penses. What would v/e do without the National Policy ? Why, our national trade is with the United States ; our little fishing vessels could in twenty four hours take THE PRODUCT OF OUR HARD I\DU8TRY and toil to the United States, it we had acpess to those markets, and exchange them for flour, Mfhich thoy would bring back free of duty and land at our own doors, having got rid of what the late Hon. Joseph Howe called ''the Cana- dian corn law," like the corn law the curse of which the people of England got rid of half a century ago, anr. people of the Maritime Provinces would not to- day be paying 50 cents more for their flour than they would if all the restric- tions imposed by the National Policy were swept away, and they had free access to the markets of the United States. (Ap- plause.) I FAy there is not a single article which we get from Ontario, or which Ontario or Quebec gets from the Lower Provinces, that eou'd not be got on much more favorable terms if it were permitted by the op(;ra(i(»i.s ol'tlu, tarifl'. Thsrc is not a ningle article that we get from the Up|)€r Provinces that we could not get better from England or the Un:ted States, if tlie tariff permitted us or if we were back in the conditi'^r we were in the happy days gone by. iOn. gentlemen .say that a trade is being built up, hut they are forc'ng it at frightful ex pense, and I say emphatically tht> .. time in t..e history of this country will ccme when dififrrent opinions will prevail, when the people will see that their iii- tereots do not lie in the policy which is advocated to-day, and A'ben that timo does come there will be a fearful retri- bution and A SHAKING OP DRY BONES amongst those manufacturers which ars fostered by the policy of to-day. (Cheers.) The Liberal |wrty would be unworthy of its standing in this country, unworthy of its principles and its tra- ditions, if it did nov; when it had the op- portunity, wipe away the condition of afiairs which I have pointed out. under which th« present Oovernment are forc- ing ti'ade one way and that at the expense of the country, and at a great cost and burden to the consumers. (Heai, Lear,) We And that in addition to being pre- vented from getting ariicles from our neigh' (Ours and from the old country whic. we desire to get, as a whole, under the operation of this tariiT, for the bene- fit of a few manufacturers who c^n sub- scribe large sums for election expenses, we pay very much larger sums for every- thing we consume than we should do un- der ether circumstances. Gentlemen hers and elsewhere have pointed out, and have taken advantage of the country in this respect, that, as they .say, for tho last three or four years the people should look to see how cheap sugar has baen, how cheap cotton has been, how cheap otherarticles have been uuring that time. We do do not deny that these articles have been cheap during the ladt three or four years, but they have been CHEAP ALL THE WORLD OVER. (Aiif'.iuise.) The over-productions have 10 1 !; is m in in nc 10, as th te< Ca cu in Sti ist nijl th« .tra po'i ion aer of ger ha^ as me <lul <iei to ^afi abo If 1 Att bat* eral ill h on i men tl.e Ha^i Mr.; this posil in nl oftei gent us tl us t bean been immense. The over-production of sug&r has been enormous, and the im- provement in machinery and in the in- crease of mills has brought that branch of the industry down to the finest pos- sible ix)int. But we lose all tlie advan- tage of this. Prices have gcaedowu late, and we have not hsd the advan- tdgeof it ; pnd why? Because we are cursed by a policv which tak-s 25 per cent., .30 per cent., 40 and 50 per cent, out of us for the benefit of the manufac- turei-sin order that they may have more money to subscribe for their party. I was sun^rised to hear the hon. gentle- man ask what more did the taxpayers pay to-dav than they did before the National Policy ^ I will only take one article. If the Minister of Marine had been at the meeting of the Combines Committee the other day, he would have heard a question and an answer given there that would have satisfied him, I think, that'!' we pay more at least than we would other circumstances. The question was asked of one of the sugar dealers : How much does sugar cost m England ? His answer was, IGs. 6d. per 112 lbs. He was asked what that was a pound, and his answer was ^ cents. He was asked what was the price in Mon- treal from the refiners to-day, and the the reply was 6| cents per poand. Only in that one article sugar, there is a dif- ference of 3i cents per pound, and that principal permeate, every manufactured article, every article that every man is ob- liged to consume and requires for the use of his family in this country. (Cheers) Imagine what 3^ cents per pound of sugar means. It means from $7.50 to $8 a barrel. In the production of a re- finery like the Canada Refinery m Montreal of 1,000 barrels a day, the gain to them and the loss to us is $7,500 per day. (Applause.) If you take that principle and APPLY IT TO EVEHY MANUPACTURBD ARTICLE in this country, hon. gentlemen can easily see that the argument adduced by my hon. friend from Queen's (Mr Davids) the other day, iK)jnting out the increased cost of living under these circumstances, was amply justified. But that is not ^1. The difficulty under the present condi- tion of aflfairs is this : We have certain articles to dispose of wherewith we pur- chase our needed requirements. The farmer has his wheat and his grain, his horses and sheep, and the various articles tha'-, he cultivates and raiccs ; the fisher^ man, after his hard toil, has his fish, and the lumberman has his lumber; but where does it all go? It goes to the United States, and, when it goes there to the only market which will take it, i' is met with this heavy duty, ^nd the^ have to take off the product of their in dvistry, and they have that much lea when they come back to Nova Scoti; with which to buy all these articles whic are protected, which are raised up her for the benefit of the manufacturors,-bt wh'ch those people cannot do withou They cannot buy in the United btate They can only take their produ'-t ther no matter what it may be or how smt it may be, and bring back the price he and invest it in articles such as tt BU<»ar at $7.50 a baiTel more than should be. (Hear, hear.) Is there a wonder that there is a mortgage of 4^ i cent, on the farms of Ontario] 1 farmers of this country have been livii but they have not been prospering, a thev have hardly known what was 1 matter with them, but they ttre realiz^ now the condition of affairs which 1 taken from them the legitimate prod of their industry, and 1 venture to that there is A VBARFUL RECKONINO OOMINU in the near future, when these men r ize that for all these long yf^ars t have been gulled und^r the impress that they were getting these arti cheap and that they could not be duced any cheaper. (Cheera.) I ren ber when the Postmaster -General Uvered a speech m his own cour when I had the honor of meeting hii an occasion which, I am sorry to say not have the desired effect. He pointing out to his I'eople there thai u instances, B not all. tit condi- '6 certain , we pur- ats. The ^rain, his us articlps ;he fisher- 3 fish, and iber ; but 368 to the oes there, take it, it and they f their in- niuch less Qva Scotia iicles which »d up here iturors, -but io without, ted States, iduf't there, how small b price here inch as this ore than it Is there any age of 43 per itario 1 The I been living, spering, and bat was the ure realizing s which has iiate product nture to say OOMINU !se men real- y ynars they e impression these articles 1 not be i^ro- 8.) I remem- r-General de- own country, eating him on rry to say, did id. He was ,here that the cause of all this cheap sugar and cheap cotton and cheap iron was the National Policy, was because the duties were so high, because they had taken the duties up from 15 per cent, under our re nme to 25 and 30 per cent. There was a little country lad sitting up m the gallery, and he said : " Well, Mr. McLelan, double the duties again, and we will get them just so much chepner. " It was a reason- able answer, and just such a one as the hon. gentleman might have expected. I shall now proceed to deal with a state- ment made by the Minister of Marine and Fisheries, who said that we had failed to show that the National Policy had injured the interests of the fisher- men and the miners. I will TAKE OUR COAL INTERESTS Cape Breton col'.ieries will under ten years, aye, or fifty years' protection the new tpriff affords them. The Spring Hill and Pictou coUeries, by means of subsidies, in the way of low railway freights, will be able to send coal into Canada, but the Cape Breton collieries, which cannot be thus favored, are in a worse position than before.' Since then we have put 10 cents on coal more than in 1879. But if Mr. Lithgow, who, I repeat, was considered a good authority at that timt, says that the duties now imposed on colliery plant and supplies average more than the duty levied on coal and coke, it is evident that 10 cents will not benefit them to any ap- preciable extent. Then again, siac^ that time the duty on anthracite has been re- moved, which has placed them still further in the first place, and I do not know that I could produce to this House a better » a higher authority than Mr, Lithgow, of Halifax, a gentleman who is accepted in Nova Scotia as the mouthpiece of the coal interest in that Province. Now, when the duties were imposed on foreign coal, accompanied by the increase in the tariff, Mr. Lithgow "took a cor)-ect view of the situation, according to my view, and, I think, according to the views of reasonable business men. But 1 will let Mr. Lithgow speak for himself. Writing on this subject at that very time, he said : "Anyone aaiuainted with the wants of a colliery in Nova Scotia will tell you that the new tariff about doubles the duties payable under the old tariff, and that the duties now imposed on colliery p'ant and supplies aver- age more than the duty levied on imported coal and coke. When I think how the National PoUcy proposed to foster our min- mg interests, of Mr. Tilley's proposing to im- pose such a duty as would give to home in- dustry the home market, and then think of what it and he have done for the coal mines, I_well— better not write my feelings lest the Phihstines rejoice. My conviction is the Cape Breton coUieries are much worse off un- der the new than under the old tariff. They cannot n«w get any more for their coal ; they cannot now put their coal into Ontario; they have now to pay twice as xa^-'fh duty as before. Messrs. Redpath & Dr • nmond, I will venture to say, make more ^.lofit within on« year under the new tariU" than all the IN AN IJNFAV'ORABLE POSITION. Then, Sir, take the Londonderry mines. Tlie Londonderry mines, in the county of Colchester, were established under a Nova Scotia 10 per cent, taritf. (Hear, hear.) They manufactured iron there for many years. They were fairly suc- cessful for a certain time, but the mo- ment we came into Contederation, and all these heavy duties and charges were imposed, the result was that that mine, to my great regret, became em- barrassed, and it passeji into the hands of a large company. (Cheers.) . It went on from year to year and finally became bankrupt. A year or two ago it passed into the hands of a second or third com- pany, and I hope sincerely with better success. Still the i)ast history of that undertaking will serve to show how those interests have been benefited in Nova Scotia. So, if the hon. gentleman did not understand how the National Policy had FAILED TO BENEFIT OUR FISHERMEN, I think he is hardly the mau who should be at the head of that important depart- ment. And if he cannot see how the absence from freedom of exchange and from liberty to dispose of the products of their fishe'nes in the only market that requires them, and how, handicapped 4 12 with heavy duties, tliese people have to send their produce to that market, at no matter what cost, I think the hon. gen- tleman ha« lived a good many years in vain. (Applause.) 1 see it was stated recently by Mr. Win3an, at a banquet in Montreal, and I have not seen his statement questioned, though I have not had time myself to verify it from public documents, that from the expiration of the first reciprocity treaty, down to the present moment, the products of Can ' > have paid 100 million dollars into American Treasury. Now, r-ir, is i any wonder that the farmers and other interests of this country are suffering, if, during that time,8uch a large amount has been paid by them on the products of their industry, and while they have been COMPELLED TO USE THAT MARKET, as the only one open to them ? The hon. member for Huron (Mr. McMillau) told us the other night, that the farms valued at $800,000,000 were mortgaged to the extent of $275,000,000, or an average 43 per cent., and 6 percent, interest on the mortgages imposes an annual obligation of $16,500,000. I say, Sir, this is a most startling statement. I regret that it cannot be questioned. I should have been delighted to have heard some hon. gentleman opposite show the hofi. member for Huron had over- stated his case. When that hon. gen- tleman produced these figures, taken from the official documents of the coun- try, aiid when no hon. gentleman oppo- site, up to the present time, has been able to contradict that statement, I say that we are brought face to face with a con- dition of affairs in this country which is of a most startling character. If the farmers of that fine Province of Ontario, with its excellent climate, have been brought, after so many years under the National Policy, TO THE VERGE OF BANKRUPTCY, as described by the hon. member for Hu- ron, I say the time has arrived when every well-wisher of this cotntry, with a sincere desire of benefiting that large in- terest, should endeavor to (li.sc(>v< r soi-ie means of amelioration, whereby the pro ducts and indu?trio8 of tliat large class of our people may in some way be^ relieved. (Hear, hear.) Sir, if that st' emeut is borne out, as I have no doubt it will be, by the realities of their position, the farmers of Ontario have the matter in their own hands ; and I have full con- fidence that when this matter comes to be presented to them, and when they see on the other side of the line a market for their produce in which it will bring as much as American produce — because our produce is a small affair compared with th( pioductions of that great country, uh was shown by the hon. member for Nor- folk (Mr. Charlton) the other night — I say that I have confidence that wlien the farmers of Ontario come to discuss this matter in their own homes and over their own fire- sides they will at no very distant day take it into their own hands and teach these Chinese-wall protection men on the other side of the House, these men who want to build u}) " rings" and foster "combines" that wring from the farmers their very last cent — I say I have con- fidence enough in the intelligence of the farmers of Ontario and of the Dominion t large to believe that these men will be taught a lesson that will be of a very sur- prising character. (Ajiplause.) The POLICY ANn EXTRAVAGANCE of our Government which has taken on an average for the last ten years from eight to ten millions of dollai*s out of the people more than the actual necessities reqi ired has been another im- portant factor in this question. We vere told in 1878 by Sir Leonard Tilley in St. John, by the finance Minister and by the leader of the present Government that we were spending to much money when we spent $23,000,000. The peo- ple were told that if they turned ou*: the Government and replaced the Conser- vatives in power, they would be able to administer the affairs of the Govern- ment for a smaller amount. And "'hat have we seen ? When the p<^ople (ook 1$ hon. gentlemen opiiosit.p at their woid and placed them in power, the annual expenditure went vp year by year by leaps and bounds until lie has reached nearly $-4(),000,000 during the past year. We have now before ua Estimates for $35,000,000, which, no doubt, will be in- creased by tile Supplementary Estimates to $3^,000,000 and probably $40,000,000 (Hear, hear.) I say liou. gentlemen op- posite have taken from KIGHT TO TKN Mir.LIOVS MORE out of the consumers of the country than the necessities of th** case required, and when you come to add t hat amount *^o the $ 1 00,C 00,000 which have been taken out of the producers by payments on products sent to the United States, I re- peat, is it a wonder that the farmers of Ontario are driven .o the money lenders for their daily wants 7 Is it any wonder that the farmei-s and fishermen and in fact those engaged in every industry in Canada . except a few bloated manufac- turers and combines, are laboring at the present moment under such severe de- pression { BaHly as we are off undoubt- edly, in the Maritime Provinces I am happy to say that I do not think the farmers there are in the same bad posi- tion. I say I do not think they are, fc this reason : We have a variety of re- sources in the Province of ^ova Ccotia, which perhaps no other Provirce in the Dominion possesses. We have not only our farming industry, but we have our fishing and coal and lumbering, and shipping industries, and our farmers are all, to a certain extent, more or less in- terested in one or more of those indus- tries Then, agnin, we have in pa^-th of the ProviTxcc of Nova Scotia a verj i/ge fruit iadustry which has grown up with the Old country, and which has brought hundreds of thousands of dollars into our Province. What has the National Policy to do wilh that i (Cheers.) Those products are not consumed in Canada. When Providence in its wisdom has given us good crops in these directions where do we find our markets .' We find them in England or b the United States; and, therefore, it is that I belie\ tlie farmers in Nova Scotia are not in the same position to the same extent as are the farmers in Ontario. Tliey have lived but they iiave not i)rospered. (Hear, hear.) There is a gieat difference be- tween making a daily living, comfortable though it may be, and prospering as honest, andindustri9U8,and hard-working and intelligent men should. In a country like ours THE FAKMERg SHOULD NOT ONLY LIVE but they should nrosper, and if you take frum them by placing heavy taxes on the products of their industry, while they live they cannot make any accumulations for their old age. (Applause.) The?e may not s'e a direct effect, and many a man is day by day wondering why he does not ao better, and why the present times are so different .to the old times when we had reciprocity with the United States. They raise aa many pota- toes and us many cattle, he catches* more fish, and yet he is compelled to ask himself the question after a year's hard toil is over : VVhy are we in a different position to-day from what we were doing the time the reciprocity treaty was in op'^ratiou. (Hear, hear.) The result is obvious. Paring reciprocity he had access to the American market and everything rushed to that market. Our potatoes found a market in the States — there is no other market for them. The potatoes of Prince Edward Isl d, which ia one of their chief crops, foniiu a mai*- ket there- -there is no other market for them. (Cheers.) At the present mo- ment those potatoes are taxed 15 cents a bushel. If you estimate that an acre will produce from 200 bushels to 400 bushels, you will find, taking ths lowest calculati-^i, 200 bushels, that the duty or incubus placed on every acre of land cul- tivated in potatoes ia Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick amounts to $30. Sweep away the pres- ent tariil and give us unrestricted recip- rocity with the United States, and what would be the result I Why, our farming industry and our funu lnndti would go up 14 with a hound ; every lujin snd every farmer would know that he could put in p crop and cuHivate hia !and, because that large country alongside of us AFFORDED A BOUNDLESS MARKET for his enteqwise ; he would know that that country could take whatever he had to dispose of and his fa.m would immedi- ately improve to the extent of 830 per acre per annum . Take the farmers of Ontario. It IS not very far out of the way to say that Ontario farms do not produce over eighteen bushels of wheat to the acre on the average, say twenty bushels if you like. The whole value of one acre of wheat in Ontario would not amount to as much as a farmer in Nova Scotia or Prince Edward Island or New Bruns- wick, would save on the dutv on potatoes sant to the United States, 'it must al- ways be remembered that we have no other market for those products. Canada, aa we call it in the Lowr,r Province, for we call it Canada stil! and always shall, takes no part of ou'- products, it takes nothing from th Lower Provinces in the shape of natural products for it has its own. (Hear, hear.) The West Indies take our potatoes only to a very small extent, only a few cargoes, nothing in proportion to the annual product. Thev don't go to England, because England sends them out sometimes to the United States themselves, and here we are along- side of the markets that want them in the country we hav^ at hand to send them' to, nc matter what the duty may be. I do not like to repeat that here, as it might be -epeated against our case when argued elsewhere, but I do repeat here Mr. Speaker, ' IN THE JNTEREST OF OUR FARMERS that if the duty was 80 cents a bushel, and it only gave the farmers of the Mari- time Provinces 5 cents a bushel or even 2 cents a bushel, they must send their goods to this market. Under such a condition of affairs when it is a matter of life or death to them, I say, Sir, with all the responsibility that belongs to the statement, that there is only one is»u« l)efore us down there an(J that is either RECIPROCITY OR REPEAL. (Cheers.) I say, Sir, that Nova Scotia when we had an op' portunity nntrammclied by all the influ- ence, and corrupt influence of a corrupt Government— I say. Sir, wlien we had a legitimate expression of public opinion in Nova Scotia, aad when we went before the people of Nova Scotia under a proper Franchise Act, not being controlled by returning officers or corrupt revising bai-- risters, the honest opinion of the people of Nova Scotia was in favor of repeal. (Applause.) If there is anything that is going to make them contented with the Union to-day it is to make them feel that the people here who are responsible for the policy of the country at the present momentous time are laboring to secure them a market which wih open to them a channel by which they may realize the fruits of their industry. I say, and I re- peat it again, that there is only one course open to them, and I say it here as I have said it before in my own county and elsev/here, there is only one question for us in the Maritime Provinces to-day — that is reciprociti/ or rejwal. (Hear, hear.) If you do not choose to labor to give us unrestricted reciprocity with the United States that feeling ef repeal which is latent to-day will spring up again in all its force. Mr. MILLS (Annapolis). It is dead long ago. Mr. JONES (Halifax)— The hon. gen- tleman says "hear, hear." Mr. TUPPEE (Picton)— He said re- peal was dead and buried lorg ago. Mr. MILLS (Annapolis)— It is dead Mr. JONES (Halifax)— The hon. gen- tleman will find out in his own country, if he ventures to follow his patty to the extern, which his approval would appear to indicate ; he will find if he goes to the electors of Nov* Scotia at no distant date what the public sentiment is on that particluar point. I listened to the hon. gentleman from Bruce (Mr.McNeill) this afternoon, when he referred to this question. He taunted us to go to the country and obtain an expression of opinion on the policy we advocate. Mr. 19 re- S^aker, w© are not in a position to ad- vise or control a dissolution of this House, but, Sir, the hon. gentleman and his friends are in that position, and let them dare to go to the country on this question o£ unrestricted reciprocity. (Loud applause.) Mr. McNEILL— I wish for one moment to explain to the hon. gentle- man. I did not suggest that he ought to go to the country in that sense. I sug- gested he ought to take a favorable op- portunity for holding an election for the office of poundkeeper upon the annex- ation platform. Mr. JONES (Halifax)— I suppose the hon. gentleman under those circum- stances is prepared to be the candidate. (Great laughter.) I say, Sir, when the hon. gentleman who is challenging this side of the House ^vith temerity and de- sired us to opfn a constituency and try the qt estioD of unrestricted reciprocity, that one constituency vould do no good. Let him and his friends dissolve this House and go the country, and then we will see a corporal's guard scarcely, of those hon- orable, patriotic gentlemen who are will- ing to suffer for their country but do not seem disposed to die for their country. (Cheers.) Now, Sir, the hon. member for Cardwell, (Mr. White) said that Mon- treal and Toronto are very prosperous. I am glad to hear it, and it is only natural that it should be so. I am glad to hear it, I repeat, as lam always glad to hear of any part of the Dominion or any other place being prosperous. But, Sir, it is very easy of explanation. We know that since this^Govemment has been in power within the last ten years they have added within a fraction of ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS to the gross public debt of this country. We knf^w that they have taken from eighty to one hundred million dollars more than they ought to have done out of the taxf ayers of this country by the iniquitous National Policy. (Applause.) We know, Sir, that those two large sums of money going 'ito circulation and that Montreal and Toiouto V)cing the centres of commerce in the east and west of the old Province of Canada, most naturally haqe a great share of the advantage. We know, Sir, '.,hat those largest centres of commerce, attract the largest amount of capital, and the property which had been distributed throvigh the Dominion by mean of those expenditures of from one hundred and eighty to two hun- dred million dollars has borne its fiiiit and those cities have been advanced. They have been advanced in no other way ; they have been advanced at the cost of the whole of the rest of the Dom- inion, and just as long as thos3 large cities go on and prosper in this way the rural districts will suffer to that extent. (Hear, hear.) But, Sir, have they im- proved as much as it would appear from this statement. I notice that at a public meeting of the Board of Trade called at Montreal the o'«ner day that i Mr. Drummond, THAT EMINENT SUGAR REFINER of Montreal, who is the president, de- livered an address, which I think the hon. <rentlemen opposite would find very in- structivs if they read it. The speech was with reference to the Government as- suming the debt of the Harbor Commis- sion in Montreal. 1 do not propose offering an opinion upon the assumption ot that debt, but I will say thismuch, Mr. Speaker, that it would have been a much more legitimate appropriation of the pub- lic funds of this country to cheapen the harbor in Montreal and reduce the ex pense attending the. imports and exports ot that large centre of commerce, than to have given the large sum of money they did give to a member of their adminis- tratfon to build up a rival railway to the Intercolonial which is owned by the Ad- ministration. Now, Sir, what did Mr. Drummond say! " In opening the meeting he spoke iu a manner that was little short of mutinous to his friends at Oltaw Hitherto, Se said, the impression had prevailed that Montreal would come out all right, no matter what happened ; but now there was no use minc- i " matters, and it must be stated openly thfti th'-B city had arrived at a crisis m \u his- XU tory. The charges in the harbor of Montreal were three or four times as great as those in the port of New York, and whilst the exports of tiie country had gone on increasing enor- mously during the last ten years the trade of Montreal had remained almost stationary. Montrealers had for years been amusing themselves in discussing plans for remedying the evil, but nothing really had been done, and to-day they were forced to acknowledge that Montreal was not in a position to com- pete with American ports. Outward exports were taking the route by way of New York because carriage alone was charged and all dues were abolished. This was not a Mont- real question, but a national question, and it was gratifying to find that over one hundred members of the House of Commons had wiedged their support to it." It evidently seemed that they had done a little log rolling around the House and had secured the promised support of one hundred members of the Hoube of Com- • mona. " The time had arrived for plain speaking. The port of Montreal was hastening with rapid strides to a condition of bankruptcy." This is one of the cities which has been so highly favored by the National Policy, and Mr. Drummond continuts : "The income of the harbor commissioners was not sufficient to carry on the ordinarv routine work of the port, and the inevitable result of bankruptcy or repudiation was close at hand unless the Government took imme- diate action." ("Applause.) Now, whether Mr Drummond was right or wrong, that statement on the face of it does not convey the coleur de rose as- pect of the prosperity of Montreal, which hon. gentlemen on the otlier side seem so desirous to Jiiake out. Hon. gentle- men have stated during this deimte that this policy was ^oing to injure the nianu- facturei's. I need not go into that branch of the question because my hon. friends who preceded lue have dealt with that question -in such an exhaustive manner that it in completely unanswer- able. L t ine take one or two illustra- tions. It is evident, il the public prints can be relied on, that the Ontario manu facturers are not all of tliat opinion. We Uavt'. Kceis frojii il;iy to day stutri-Kuta m&de by Ontario manufacturers that they are NOT .VPPREHENdlVE OF THF RESULT of unrestricted reciprocity ; and these are men with a knowledge ot their busi- ness, with ample capacity and ample in- dustry. I say that wherever a manufac- tory was establisJied under proper man- agement previous to the introduction of the National Policy, it lias succeeded, if not to a great extent of late years, to a sufficient extent to yield a tair return on the capital invested. My hon. friend the other night quoted also Mr. Gibson, one ot the oldest and most enterprising business men in the Province of New Brunswick, who has built up a large cotton mill in that Province. He was interviewed on thife question, and what was his answer ? He said : "So far from Tny dreading unre- stricted reciprocity, or apprehending any diflSculty in connection with my industry from it, I should feel satisfied that it would open up to me a market of 65,000- 000 people, instead of 4,500,000 as at present ;" and Mr. Gibson is a man vboee judgment as a business man is relied on more than any other man in the Province of New Brunswick, and I may say in the Province of Nova Scotia as well. (Applause.) He was able to gauge the condition of his entei-prise so well that when the question was put to him, he was ready to answer at once and emphatically that so far from his apprehending anything dis- advantageous to his cotton industry, un- restricted reciprocity w«s just what he desired to see carried into effect. Then, 1 am informed by an h'^n. member of this House that the other day one of the proprietors of the new sugar refinery to be built in Montreal, in convei-sa'tion with him, said : "We are putting in all our machinery of the most improved pat- tern, and are building oui' refinery ac- cording to the most improved methods, and if the unrestricted policy pravails, and we have A MAKKET IN THE UNrPED STATES, then, insti-ad uf JiHving oui marktl on ei- 17 <;iowded every little while, we shall be able to compete successfully iu rfll the border and Western States with the American refiners." (Cheers.) Does anyone doubi a statemciit like that? (Hear, hear.) Why should not our re- tiueries in the Lower Provinces, and in Montreal as well, be able to do h, large portion of the business in the American border States { Our climate is good, our labor is cheap, our coal is cheap, and we have capital for our enterpri.ses, and in- stead of these large refining industries evtivy little whilo being brought to a dead stop by orders from the he.\d centre, or being limited in their production by or- ders to produce only so many barrels a day, so that a great many men are thrown out of employment — instead of having that condition of affairs, which will grow worse with the advent of another refinery to compete with them in the market, all these things would be changed, and they would have a con.stant market which would enable them to keep their enter- prises going and giving ample employ- ment to their men all the year round. That is a consideratio)i which triay not have occurred to those lees familiar than lam with that branch of trade. THE REFIiNlNG INDUSTRY of this country would be one of the first to reap the advantage of unrestricted re- ciprocity. (Cheers.) I have said that We have cheap labor. Can any one doubt that after the exposure made in the city of Quebec the other day before the Labor Commis- sion 1 I noticed by a paper published here that the last statement made there gave the startling fact that mill hands in the city of Quebec could only get 35 cents a day, and that women were laboring in the match factories of Quebec for 15 cents a day. Is it any wonder that these people sbuuld be dissatisfied ' Why, one of our Nova Scotian or Cana- dian girls who go to the United States as a doinestic servant is able to earn from $14 to $20 a mor.th and her board, while a poor girl in the Province of Quebec, who perhaps, cannot leave her home, is laboring here for S3. 50 a month and paying her board. (Hoar, hear.) If there is anything to show that we would be able to compete in the matter of labor with the people of the Ilnitetl States, it would be that startling fact which was REVEALED BEFORE THE LABOR COMMISSION the other day. Now, Sir, I will give you a statement with regard to the gen- eral condition of affairs in the Province of Nova Scotia, made iu a letter written by a gentleman in Halifax who worked as hard as anv man in that city to de- feat me in 1878, and succeeded. This gentleman has more small properties in the city of Halifax, and controls more investments than any other man in that city tc-day. I r^fer to Mr. James Thompson. Someone having stated that the value of property would not decrease in Halifax, Mr. Thompson wrote as fol- lows : "I saw in the report of a meeting of the Chamber of Commerce a few days since that one of the merchants of this city had assert- ed that the real estate of the Province had increased at least 50 per cent, since Confed- eration, i was somewhat surprised at the statement, and am anxious to know from what sources the facts are derived which would warrant such a conclusion. "Some years since I took the trouble to get the amount of the assessment rolls of home of the counties of this Province, and arrived at an entirely opposite conclusion. Taking four leading counties, representing the four of the leading industries, — Cape Breton as representing the coal mining in- terest ; Antigonishas representing the farm- ing interest ; Hants as representing the ship- building interest ; and Queen's ar. represent- ing the lumbering interest, and we will find that the assessment rolls amounted in 1868 to $11,316,000, while in 1884— at the time he was writing— they had decreased to leas' than $1,000,000. That is the effect it had with us, an d since that time I may say that so far from having improved in value, their value has become less and less from day to day, until, in the city of Halifax at least, it is almost impossible to sell pro- perty at all. I notice in a St. John paper to-day the advertisements of pro- 18 perty to be disposed oflf at public auction, and the auctioneer puts at the foot of the advertisements the notice , "A.ny bid will be accepted that will more than pay for the taxes and water rates." Well, we have had a large amount of property sold for taxes in Halifax. At one time last year there were some two hundred or three hundred properties ad- vertised for sale UNDER THE SHERIFF'S HAMMER, and on one occasion a valuable wharf property, which had be«^n a few years ago sold for $40,000, only realized just one-half that amount. You can go through the streets of Halifax, from one end of the city to the other, and I do not hesitate to say that on enquiry you will ttnd that since our free trade with the United States was put ^n end to, the value of property in the city of Halifax has fallen more than 50 per cent. (Hear, hear.) A condition of affairs equally disastrous exists in other parts of the Provinces. Now, I come to the fisher- men. Tne hoii. Minister of Marine and Fisheries must be very unqualified to fill the position he holds, if he does not know more about the interests of our fishermen and the way unrestricted reci- procity would benefit them than he was disposed to admit the other night. Per- haps the lion. geutlemnn in the receipt of his $7,0U0 a year, hardly understands the hardships and toil which our fishor- men go through from year to year. Is he aware th;\t at one or two o'clock in the morniPy, these men rise from their beds, light their candles, co k their fru- gal meals, and go out in their small boats miles from the land, encountering heavy weather, in cold and rainy seasons, and come back in the afternoon with the pro- duct of their day's labor — maybe a few barrels of mackerel, or herring, or a few quintals of codfish 1 What are they to do with their harvest ? These men know when they catch the mackerel, that their only market is the Uniwd States ; they know that only a few of the fish go to the West Indies ; they know that everv mackerel causfhtal ffl" the .Atlantic coast,, in the Provi^^e of Nova Scotia, of a, valuable character — what we call otir fat mackerel — must go to the United States, even if the duty were $10 a bar- rel. (Cheers.) These fish do not go to THE OLD PROVINCES OK CANADA they do not go to England, they cannot go to the West Ind>8, because being fat they will not koep in that hot climate ; so that every barrel of mackerel, no matter what the duty may be, and no matter if it brings a net return of only one or two dollai-s a barrel, must go to the United States or be thrown over- board to rot. I hold in my hand the statement of a vcj^sel, wMch, in 1885, the year after the reciprocity treaty was terminated, landed 800 barrels of mack- erel in the port of Boston. That may seem a large amount to anyone not familiar with the question, and it is a large amount, far above the average. These men under ordinary circumstances would ha\e been able to realize a very fair return, but when they went to the United States and had to pay the duty of $2 a barrel, what was the result i From their hard labor, from the 15th June to the 30th October, in rain and shine, incilm and storm, exposed to the inclemency of that boisterous Atlantic coast, the.se hardr fishermen only realiz- ed, after all that long, hard summer's toil and labor, the paltry si:m of $30 a piece. Can such a condition of affairs be allowed to exist while a remedy is pos- sible? (Cries of no, no.) Can such a condition of affairs be allowed to remain if there is within sight a possible arrange- ment which will open the market to the product of these hardy men ? The Government would be unworthy of the position they occu[>y if they did not strain every efFort, if they did not USE EVERY POSSIBLE INFLUENCE to open this market. I am not sanguine that we are goinsj to convince any hou. gentleman on the other sic^e. I know how strong is their party allegiance. I know how they will follow their leader, and that we cannot expect to convert 19 them ; but I know that we have an in- telligent constituency behind every one of them, and it is to those men we are appealing. It is to the intelligent con- stituencies that we are addressing our ob- servations to-day, and it is possible that some Robert Peel may come out from the ranks of the Tory party to carry a great measure as that illustrious states- man did the abolition of the corn laws of England. It may be that some shaft, some argument may go forth, which will ranch the hearts and the convictions of some leader on that side, who, when he aees the momentous interests involved in the trade with 65,000,000 people alongside of us, and sees that by his efforts he may forward a scheme which is going to make two great peoples to a certain extent one, which is going to al- lay a great deal of acrimony and disputes which have prevailed for years past, wlrich is going to do a service and not a di-service to the old country, vrho, when he realizes that England and America are the two greatest countries and MAY TOGETHER BID DEFIANCE to the world, and that a peaceful set- tlement of the Irish question, which I am proud to say I have always advocat- ed, and which I believe to be nearer ac- complishment to-day than it ever whs in the history of that country, — are now, more than ever, desirable, — who, when he rees the immediate possibility of bringing these two great nations to- gether in peaceful alliance and harmon- ious working, a great Angl< -Saxon race, will not be untrue to his own judgment, wfU not be faithless to his duty, and allow his prejudices to control him, but will give this matter the consideration we have a right to expect from every hon. gentleman here. (Applause.) What is the position of these fishermen to day ? "5500,000 per year is what th« fishermen of tMs country, under the present policy of restriction, pay to the revenue of the United States ; that is when they have a fair catch. All that would be changed, and the $500,000 would go into the pockets of our own fishermen. An hon. MEMBER.— No. M. JONES (Halifax). The hon. gen- tleman says no, but he is not slitficiently familiar possibly with that branch of the subject to know, as pointed out by the hon. member for Norfolk the other day, that, while we catch a certain quantity of fish, the Americans catch a much larger quantity. The price of these articles is settled by what the Americans produce themselves, and the quantity which we send, which is small to them bat great to U.S, will go there and will not affect the price in their market, and we will obtain the same value. Does anyone suppose that the fishing industry Oi this country is TO REMAIN IN THE POSITION we find it to-day] Does any hon. mem- ber desire that it shall always be be kept in the same condition, that there shall be no further development of that great in- dustry which a benign Providence has placed within our reach '? What is the use of developing it to any further extent if we have no market 1 What is the use of our people making efforts to build new vessels, to send out new crews and to catch more fish, if we have no market for them ? The market of the United States is the only market we can ever look to to successfully develop to any extent that great fishing industry along our shore.s. Looking at its position to-day, it is a mat- ter of life or dfath to them down on the shore. One hon. gentleman quoted a statement from the Halifax Chamber of Commerce to show that the fishing In- dustry was fairly profiutbl>\ What was said in that was not very committal one way or the other. They said thp.t the prices were low in the early part of the season, but that, as they had advanced considerably later in the season, the re- sult of the year's fishery had been fairly successful. How was that brought about? If the hon. gentleman had known this fact perhaps he would not have given this the prominence he did. In the early part of the season fish were very low. Then we found that we HAD HARDLY A GOOD CATCH. That wat not. however, the important 20 ftictor. The fisheries in St. Pierre- Miquelon, which had been so much re- duced the previous year, in spite of the enormous bounty of 10 francs per quintal, were still further I'educiHl, and they did not send out one-half of tho number they sent out the previous year, and so re- duced the catch of the previous season. The catch in Newfoimdhuid was short, and it was ahnost a failui'e in Labrador ; iiiid then came tiie news that the great Norwegian fishery, one of the largest m the world, counted by millions, had been ii I'ailui'e to a very great extent. Wh'in all this was known in the consuiiing markets of Europe and elsewhere of course there was an advance in fish, and our men to that extent realized an ad- vantage ; but we cannot hope to expect, and we do not desire to see any such con- dition of affairs again. However, if it liad not been ' c that condition of affairs, had it not been for the failure in all these places to which I have referred, the fish- ing interefst in Nova Scotia would have been a very poor aflair last year. (Hear, Lear.) But what had ii been for the few ytars previous ] If the Hon. gentleman bid been really interested in that ques- tion, he would ha'.e known that in the three previous years, instead of that in- dustry being productive at all, the men had barely made a living out of it. PRICES WERE so LOW, "while tlie catches were large, and the United States markets were closed to them, that cur own people as well as those in Newfounciland reduced their outfit and their catches »8 well. But, give UP access to the United State iriar- ket, gi.e us access to the fifty or sixty millions of people alongside o'i as, then our fishing industry, with the millions and millions which are in- volved in it, would go forward with leaps and bounds, and there would be such an increase in that branch of com- merce as would give wealth to that part of the country. (Great cheering.) The hon. gentleman asked us what was a natural market, and he said that France, if nearneso 'was to bo couSidcred, 'Vvas a more natural market for England, than some of the distant jdaces with which England had much greater commercial relations. The hon. '▼entlenian migut have stilted his case with equal fore, if he had given uh the whole condition of affitirs, if he had sfuted that there were only two countries in the world with which England had greater trade re- lations than with the French nation alongside of her, and those are India and the United States. India, with its Imndreds of millions of people, nmst be and natur illy will be for a long time the greatest market that England possesses, and the United States that Anglo-Saxon country, IS THE NEXT GREATEST CONSUMER of her products ; but the French nation alongside, of her, was also valuable to her, as $230,000,000 were taken by the French during the year, according to the public records, and although the ho.i. gentleman may not think that a very large amount, I consider ic sufficient to establish the fact, that but for the im- mediate proximity of France to England, but for the free trade policy inaugurated by Mr. Cobden, and subsequently car- ried out to a certain extent, introducing better trad»^ relations between those counties, it would not have amounted to the large sum it did. I would like the hon. the Minister of Marine to go long the coast when he visits Halifax next year, instead of allowing his gunboat to go down the shore electioneering in the county of Shelburne, instead of send- ing her down to sound along every little harbor in the county of Slielbume, but of course )iot to make promises. Oh, no, we have the work of the gallant member for Shelburne (Gen. Laurie), that he made no promises, I do not say he did but I say that, he went down on bosurd that Dominion gunboat ' , ith theDominion flag flying over his head, and the so- called engineer going into every port along that coast and iiounding, and say- ing this would be a nice place for a wharf, and that would be SI A SICK PLACE FOR A DRF.AKWATKK, and you must require a lighthouse here _I do not Bay he made any promiseg, but the inference would be nauu-al. If the Minister of Marine, instead ol aUow ng his navy lo be employed »^ *1'** ^''y; ^ould go along our coasts himself a„u n.dge of all these .juestions, 1 thmkjK^ Ud be in a mu^h l.Uer po.t.on^to ^-^rg^^Tewo^ldh^th.^^^ f^.Hhermen are leaving us and going to the United States, as I am sorry to «ay. 1 e hon member for Bruce (Mr >^cNeul) wo'ld .ay that sentiment should keep them at home and let them starve. Sen- timent is very strong, but a man cannot li^on sentiment alone, and, when these hardy 6shermen go out m one of our own vessels and Gsh by the side of an American vessel, and the American ves- sel takes 1,000 quintals of ^sb and or vessel takes 1,000 qumtal of fish and our o^ men are on board that American vessel go into an American port, and get ^-,0 cents a (luintals more than the man who lands his fish in Nova Scotia, I say tha-. sentiment will stand a very shoi-t time against such an argument as that. I know, from my own experience, that a large number of vessels last season were prevented from going into the fashery be- cause they could not obtain the crews because the men had ajl gone to the United States. Go down to tho Island ot Cape Breton. My hon. triendi from Cap*^ Breton here will bear rio out- Gen. LAURIE. Hear, hear. Mr JONES (Halifax). The hon. ..entleman confirms my statement as i knew he woald from his frankness. (Cheers.) But I ^y, go down to the Island of Cape Breton, and there you will titul that almost all the population, a larac number of people there who used lO be engaged incur sbora fishery, ha>o gone to the United States. An hon. MEMBER. No. ■ y... JONES (F lif ax). I know bet- ter, for I am 6ng ,cd in that business myself. Years ago we used to have tens of thousands of valuable 'chore fish brought to the Halifax market and ex- ported all over the world ; that branch of commerce, as far as regards the shore fisheiv, is a thing of the paat. Those „,en have gone banking, and ""der '»'« new condition ot affaii-s, and nhen they found that our fishing vesseis could not tisu on as favorable terms as the Ameiv cans, they emigrated to the States and engaged on board American vessels. When they go there they make acquaint- ances, acquaintance leads to friendshii., friendship leads to settlement, and settle- ment genemlly leads to marriage, and the United States reaps the advantage wo lose from their in-lustry. This operation has been repeated from year to year as the years roll round. Now Sir, the National Policy was started, if I remem- ber rightly— I do not wish to miarepre- sent the Government-with four objects. The first was to encourage manufacture^, second to increase our trade with Eng- land, third to reduce our trade with the United States, and fourth TO'SECURK RFXlPROt'ITY. Now let us examine for one moment how far these objects have been Eecured. laice the manufactures first. Certain mann^ factures, no doubt, have been established in certain parts of the Dominion and certain manufactures have made large sums of money. There were large manu^ factures before the National Po icy, which yielded a fair return. Take the city of Halifax, which I represent- what did the National Policy lead to there? I ven- ture to sav that so far as tht Province of Nova Scotia is concerned, the operation ;f the National Policy has teen a curse instead of a blessing. (Cheers.) What do we see with reference to the Halifax su<Tar refinery; $400,000 were put in that refinery. It went on for a year or two, but it lost all its capital, and owed the bank $250,000 besides. The bank sold out the property to the present pro- prietors, minu. SIOCOUO which they lost ; therefore there was just half a mil- lion dollars lost in the Halifax sugar re- finery since it started. What it may do in the future I do net know, I only 23 hope it uiay have a Kucceseful careT. Then, again, yon take tlie supar refinery ucroBS the liarbor. it was built by En- glish capitalistB at the cost of $700,000, and was one of the most thorough re- hnerieK in the country. It ran over twelve months and then failed. It was TAKEN OVER BY THE BCDIIOLDER-S for less than 0300,000, and it is now starting under their management. Therefore, taking these two operations alone, I show you most conclusively — no man can gainsay it — that i»i the city of Halifax alone, there had been one mil- lion dollars wasted, lost to the capitalists of that couutry — let alone the cotton factory in Halifax, che stocL of which would not brin^ 50 cents in the market to day, costing $350,000, This is the l)eneficent effect ot the National Policy 80 far as we are concerned. Well, Sir, have they increased our trade with Eng- land, and diminished it with the United Stales, as they prouised 1 We find that our exports to England, in 1878, wei-e $45,941,000 ; ia 1887, they afaounted to $44,571,000, or $1,869,693 less in 1887 th a in 1878. Then take our exports to the United States, '^'e -vere not going to do any moro business with the United States, remember; we were going to teach them a lesson and build up a Chinese wall. Our exports to the United States in 1878 amounted to $25,244,898 ; in 1«87, to $87,660,199, or an increase of $12,415,000 durmg that time. Then take the aggregate. In 1878, the ag- gregate with Great Britain was $83,372.- 279 ; in 1887, $89,534,079, or a gain of$6,162.760. Then take the United States. The aggregate trade in 1878 was $73,876,437 ; in 1887, $82,767,265 or a gain of $8,890,728. Therefore in this respect you will see that so far from the National Policy increasing our com- mercial relations with England, IT HAS REDUCED THEM ; and 80 far from decreasing car trrade with the United States it has increased it ; in t>iese two respbots it has been a total failure (Applause.) Now, Sir, what we want Ijelow.as I said before, is free access to our customers across the line. Wo are here 4j millions of people, speaking the samo language, as \vx3 often been ob- served, with tLe same natural tendencies for trade, with the same ind" .try, £ hope, and with the san e ca;)ability for busi- n^8>, I believe. I say. Sir, that if you ^n bring these two countrie? into closer commercial relations, and by some ar- rangement acceptable to the jieople of the United States, entered into at this favor- able moment when the peo; e of the United States seem to be considering this question, if the Government ctn make a proposal to them which will bru ^ about such a change as I have indict '>ed, then I think we shall be fortuaate ina.'ed. We want, mor30ver, in any arrangement made the coasting trade free to us from the Atlantic to San Francisco. (Cheers.) Imagine, Mr. Speaker, what efiect it would have upon THE GREAT SHIP-BUILDING INTERESTS of the Lower Provinces, of the Province of Quebec, and, of course, of the Western Provinces as well. We are naturally situated for ship-building ail along the Atlantic coast. 'There is not a harbor along that long coast line, there is not a creek on the eastern or western shores but where you will see small vessels and vessels of very considerable tonnage be- ing built year by year. They can be built more, economically with us than in the United Staies, because the wood is at ' .r hands, and they are built by our own peo- ple largely during the season when there is no other employment or occupation. (Hear, hear.) Imagine, I say, if you throw open to tl |)eople of the Maritime Proviiit."es that preat boon, the right to buy American ships or to sell our vessels in their market, what an impstus it would gi e along our sea coast. The Americans cannot compete with us as regards the cost of vessels. I repeat that their wood is more expensive and there is a dilFefence in values of about twenty- five or thirty per cent. This has always given us a certain advantage in our fishing outfits and enterprises, 23 " we had accrHs i Hnd fi,k,™„P /wh eh h '"'■:","'""" "'.Tent "'l,,' ';" "'""""te, v.lS •ediatHy takfi advan<2« ^ ""'"^ "»■ «eq"ence« nf ^ ^''.''f^ '"« natural con t»^do of the rn./ > !, to« coasting mr^A-t- ^°"'" aj.provo -mv i »« ti , ^^ ^""•ed States Fr, n .i." ^^^noHiong an,! *»,„ ; . •*"> audi quotation made by the AM -T"'' '" « lnteriorfr„„.„^";« M^'ster of the j^rti^t, „e wriEorrr™",' p.- " Whot'eTtSt' '"«'>"■»" m« T'eb„„„^^'fa„V^d„., _ in thJo , ., *^ ' .7" '-™cucea Hou. GenV-o^ p '' "" «r • ™""i wider yet." thought that if dead ml °^1 ^'^'^"' ^ ^^ *° t^'s matter ar^ • ^ '•atcle in their g;a;e3rrf' ''""'' ^°"^d .^/•^ds, and thiatestLrr^ *° «° ^or- come to us ffom th« ,* ''^'^^ ^o"ld Cheers.) We are hn A^ '""^ *° «t^y. dictions would we hear r''.""^** ^^^«- '""'^"^^"^ conclus'on if *° "^''y '* *" a former that any utteranf"'". *^" ^^'^ ^e- year or ne^t Tear buV -.T?"^ "^^' ^^ ^^s ^'ver be construed inf^ °^ ^'^ '^°^^d the hon. gentimin " '•*''" * ^«^ years .-»ntry is VbSirt th/^"^ *^^« P"^^'^ °P'^i- in hxf 1^°^ 'r'^ht that •"^nt, (Hear. bear"°T?at n./pT* "^^ T'^'"" ''^« motion whichTh '^ ^"' "«* ^••hn devoted h^,, whole Kf^ R*^iovmer, to adopt, that ""^''^ *^«^ ^''e going 'in* jrce irom it a oV,„ i i *" ""eeinc' *or us fr e trade „ ?^'' *° »«c»ring ^^blic opinion wii,. «p - goodofhisfpll^ ' ^"'^ *o promoting thf •*.. . "'' "^^^ «= -'^ harmony ''CbrouXfr ? <''■«'• "-rote co,,I, w"""^ Canwright) m °'''' (^ir "^ea ,^ times under ^i.-a- '' ^' "e eflbrrs • ,. " ,iPeo2)le wiJl aoDrov^ stances. He lived in r'^""* ^^'•«"'"- Tted /h ^ ^.? '^''«' ^hen the? 'rl T njerce was fJ^ I *'™®« when com ?• ' .^^^ ^'^ see the vi.«l ^ ^ ^^"■ for "'"^' ^^-^twas aeces:r; ^VK^ *° '^ ^° '-Ti^sr^^'^ J' wLith they are concerned ^n^L*''-^ 'n . A HOUSEHOLDER TO GO „.. f T^^° "''' assistance W« '^'^ ^ 24 the following amendment to the amend- ment : — That in any aiTargement between Canada and the United States providing for the free iranortation into each country of the natural ana manufaciured productions of the other, it ifl highly desirable that it should be pro- • vided that during the continuance of any such arrangemeni the coasting trade of Can'- ada p.nd of the United States should be thrown open to vessels of both countries on a footing of complete reciprocal equality, and that vessels of all kinds built in the United States or Canada may be owned and sailed by the citizens of the other and be en- titled to registry in either country and to all the benefits thereto appertaining. (Great Applause.)