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FOSTER On the National Policy, the Debt, and the Kiel Issue. : DELIVERfED IN TH^ CITY I^ALL, ' LONDON, ONT. ^ SATURDAY, 1>E0. 18, 1886. HON. THOMAS WHITE. I ottn ufan yon I »m gUd to «ae so krg* an mdioiM mtharad in London thb for Ahe pnrpoM ol hat«ning.to the duouuion of pabUo qaMtions. Sir John [onald, and •ome of hit ooU«agaes, among whom I haro had the good fortune 'numbered, have recently been holdins meetin^e In different parte of tbie ftreat loe, and I oan aaanre yoo, epeaking with some knowledge of political gatheriuge, ' been engaged for many yean in politioal diaowwiuiM aud in meeting large of pe " MOHT«d a Oopy of a portrait of whioh I bad heard before, but whJe«n there the night before. On Thuraday. the day following, the llamllt«)n Tvm>*, which yon know ia not friendly to the ( Jovemment~ln fact It ia almott aa unfriendly aa V>« paper in thia oiiyt ander the direotorahip of Hon. David Milla (laughter) -thla paper oa Thuraday referred to my miaaion in Haldimand, and If you have read it vou will aee how little I waa open to the charge, even in the opinion of thia paper, of having in any way whatever Inanlted the Roman (ktholioa. Here waa what the Time* aatd, two daya after that »pceoh waa delivered, and with apeolal reference to the nomination:— (Mr. White here read from the Tim*'/* an article in which it was aUted that he had been withdrawn from Haldimand beoanae hia utteranoea were too wo Catholie. and oonflioted with the high ground taken by Mr. Clarke Wallace and Mr. DfeltotfMcOarlky.) Here two daya after that apeeoh waa delivered, I fouiid myaelf attacked for being pro Catholic Inatead of anti-Cathollo, and had been withdrawn bocauae my Proteatant principle* w^re not aufBoiently high to auit the Mail programme (oheera). Now, what happened ? It waa not for a week after that the Globe started thia atory about me holding up thla portrait and oalllng It the lateat Catholic aaint, becauae they thought they might do the moet Injury, not to m« peraonally, but to the LiMral-ConaervatlTe party with which I waa identiflad (applaoaa). Some time after thia, a friend of mine aent me a copy of the Montreal WUnesB of the 9th of Angnat, and pointad out that the atatement which I had* made at Haldimand in oondemnation of the tMe of thia picture in Quebec, had alao been made in a aermon by the pariah prieat of Notre Dame Church in Montrealr (Mr. White read the eztraot, ymch announced that in hia aermon, the prieat aaid he had heard of the hanging of theaa piotnree of Riel alongaide the picture* of holy men of the oboroh. Thli praotloe he oimdemned in the atrongeat langoago. ) So yon will ■ea4bat ihia expreadon which I nied on, the platform denonnoing the aaorilege of thoee who would place thla picture in juxtapoution to the ptotnree of holy men of the CathoHo Church, had actually been made in a Roman Catholic Church, and the praotloe I Merred to condemned by the Rev. Cure, who Waa preaching in that church IchMra). In continuing, Mr. White ahowed how the familiar method of getting np lUi affidavit on^the matter had been adopted by hia opponenta. and how Grit joilrn^had relidonaly e^olnded the ezpIanatioDa whloh had by hlmaelf and othen/neen made. Healaoaaid:— I ahonld deeply regret if it oOnld be charged an^bat me th^t I had inanlted any man becauae of hia religiona perauaaioii. I have Mraior thitwrfive yeara engaged bi my own humble way diaouaaing public queationa in m» Prbvinc^. I have (KLcTreaaed audienoef of Frenoh-Canadiana In Quebec, and lae I have itood ahonlder to ahonlder witii thoae people, I waa aconaed of being a rotten Proteauwt by thoie who are now anxiona to oatoh that vote. I may aay th^ ia politioa Ihave no aympathy with thoae who mix np religidna qneationa, for the aimple reaaon that in thia young oountry there la work enough for na all to do, to make, by united effort, M thia oountry, what we all deaire It to become (oheera). I deaire now to refer to the apeeoh which waa reoently delivered in thia oity by the French leader of the Llb* ~thu pAper ditvoQwUI ir. of hatvlng B Timet mial ienoa to the [twuatatad rere too tn-o l*oe ajid Mr. !ound myaelf I withdrawn It the Mail tut that the it the Uteal , not to m« ta identifled he MontrMkl I I had* made lad alaobeen realr (Mr. i aaid he had holy men of So yon will I aaorilega of holy men of iroh, and the tiing In that iT method of tta, and how ' himaelf and 1 beoharged m. I have >lio qaeationa Qaebec, and laed of being I may aay tiona, for the I do, to make, ra). I deaire y theFronoh opportoni^ eaenoe, with i word to aay :e in relation lie omitted— »Nortii>weat antage. All a that iheee of whioh he le people had il, to make a the North- of the Baakalohewaa, he wooU have taken op hii gan and fonght aide by aide with the haU-braeda (oheera and hiaaea). The half-breed tront>le oegan aoon after we oblalnef poaaeaaion of the Territory. They were the daaoendanta ef French- Oanadiana who had gone up there in oonneouon with the trading oompaniaa, and when thMloTammant took over the ooantry they fonnd it neOeeaary to extlnguiah the Indiin title in theae half-breeda by giving them certain oonoeadona. Oovemor 'ArohlbaUl, the Oovemor of Manitoba at the tlme^ waa inatmoted to make an enfl> meration of the half-breeda, aa a preparation to decide how their intereata ahonld be protected, and their welfare looked after. At thla time 1.400.000 aorea of land, waa aet aaide for the parpoee, and when Oovomor Archibald had flniahed the enameratiqn, the (lovf mment decided to give each man 140 aorea. Subaeqaently a diflbrent mWthod of dealing with the famlliee waa adopted, and they were to have 100 aorea each iqatead of 140. The Oovemment waa engaged in aettling thL| matter when, Sir .Tohn Maodonald being defeated, hia Oovemment went out and Mr. Mackenzie oame in. It waa the oounden duty of Mr. Maokende'a Oovemment to have gone on and aettled the matter. They djkl not do ao, and the preparatioaa made fell throngh. Inatead of neglecting it altogether, Mr. M. Ryan, of Montreal, waa employed by\tfao(}ovemment of Mr. Mackenzie to make the enumeration. When he nad flniaheld that, it wm anppoaed that 229 aorea of land wonld be given to each half-breed. Bat In the meantime, the .half -breeda of St, Laarent, Qu'Appelle, and other placea, l^d moved oif their raMrvationa, and became loattered through the Tarritoriea, and thia faol greativ embarraaaed the qaeation. and made it almost bnpoaalble to foUow oni the divlalon agreed on. Afterward! the half-breeda who had moved off aakadttoJiave their land aUotmenta too. On June 14, 1876, Mr. Mills, who waa th^Mfniater of the Interior, wrote to Mr. Ryan, aaklng him if he wonld accept a oommTaalon to aettle theae claims. Mr. Ryan received no other ii^tmotions. On tne«3rd of Mibvh foUpwing he wrote to the Minister that the half-breeda were Boatllered|41 qvet |he North- weat, and nnleaa he went after them and aettled their granta there%onla be great difBioolty in the matter. He apprehended that U he most traat to the poinoldenoe of meeting with thoae who had olainia, the mnlt wooid not. be aatisfaotory, nor would tbe work of distribution be finished for many years. To this letter no answer was sent for some time, and I anbmit that If Mr. Mills was as anxiousAto have the olaima aettied aa he now pretends to have been, hi ought to have Instraoiked Mr. Rvan to make the teip and settle the claims. He " not do that Hero is Mr. Mills' direction to Mr. Ryan in answer to that letter, uid to appreciate its full s^mlflcanoe you must rtomember that hels one of the moat bitter opponents we have, ano^^in his newspapor and on the stump attacks the Oovemment day after day, in aeaaoii and ont of aeaaon, for onr indifference and neglect of this very thing. Here are hi* words to Mr. Ryan :— / "It ia not nnoti—rr to look up tha proofa to tho half-braada* oUimt. Iff they oare forthalr intereata they will themwlvea on^me forward and eatabllib their claimn— D.M." (Laufhter.) That was how "D. I4." regarded .their claims. Nothing more was done for two years, when Mr. Ryan wrote to the Minister recommencUng an extension of time for one year to give thwe people a chance to present their proofs. Again, Mr. Ryan writes :— " The half brMos are pressing me lor an answer. Will the time be exiendiad ?" To this Mr. Mills answers with a statement that V'tho matter ta under oonsldoration, and Mr. Due will probably be anthorlzed to extend the time, and that It was their purpose to apnoint his Dominion Land Agent to investigate the olalins." That was how Mr. Ml|]s acted. Five years after he appoints a gentleman to investigate theae claims, he refuses him the means to do so, and two years later ^e tells liun In reply to an urgent commnnioation that he has the matter of the ex- tension of tlmc^nnder oonslderatlott, and Is about to appoint a Dominion Land Agent to investigate. Well, Mr. Ryan Went to Qu'Appelle on lihls business and sent In the bill. It was for honest work don^, yet Mr. Mills was so Indignant that he should attempt to hnnt np^tke men and the jvoofs that he refused to pay tha bill of f75, and it was pald/OTthe Ccmservative Govemment on their retnm to power, and the man Ryan was a bitter opponent of Sir John ' M aod o nald ; bat he deserved to be paid for Uinionest work. W« have ^ records In th^ Department to show the oonrseofue Oovemment,' oxoept such scraps of memoranda on the baoks of letters snob as yl»u are familiar idth ; and a report prepared by Col. Dennis nnder instrao- tions, wlftoh may be takon probably to_lndlo4te pret^ clearly the mind of tjte Btty node Aooording to the rq^rt of Col. Dennis, the mode proposed for a settlement AoAy to the half-breeds the liuids on which they had located— unless It bad been takoi by settiers or for speculative purposes In full settlement of their olaims. This policy onr Oovemment oarried out (cheers). Not a single person has vfuc been V, tr I have done, ation for the arany Privy m tlM banu dbpoMMMd Of a d»gU td^ to which ho WM righUal V. •«»•«*» »o "•T «W" »'y "J SUorToMtlon of thU (lovornmont. And. mom t>.»n thai tha (>oTernm«nt h^ ^Jr la the«. OM.. .toppod io -nquir. wh.th.r the «d w Uk.n '"'nr"";*";* urpo«. or not (cheer.) Sb, If. wo may jadfo of the »lew. of the VtluUf r Mr. Vll*i bv"thii •otioii of'hU agent, our (Jovernnient hu cwtM out the eanie poHoy, Jrir Hon. n»v*^d MlIU Intended to do (laughter). You will remember that Mr. Lalrt/r toUl you that petition after 4>etltlon waa -nt In from the half breed. «mpblnln« of th.ir grievance., and th^ our Oovemment »«««» \*'"'r'l„"i!l thi SZ. Not. let n,e potat out a lew fact.. The«, potltlon. began to ««•"" •» *« {^o Oov.rnment iuat befoVe Hir John went out of power. Th. diet waa in 1 H7.>. Matting forth the oUliSI of th. half-breed, for comp.nMktion for tho """iP^-hn'f t of tho SLtlt"r, Then in 1878 IUt. Father brandln •«»»«'•» r^"**! P"''""?* Slk%g an exten.iv. ..rie. of demand, on behalf of the half breed.. TU wa. li lOTfi" The .ttbieot. referred to In It were Imrortant only on ihl. PO""**. »»'*t»t»y weVe the Mme m were confined In many other P?t»*»«°". »»** ''•''J"'""!' . .^?,'^! M-l the fact. ' Kvery thinu Father (Irandln aaktd wa. refu.ed by Hon. David MUI. to ai elaborate paper! exceV 1.300 for the bulldog of «hjK.U . ||«-V%T!1^ &The Governi^it while Hir John wa. the head of It (loud oheoi.). Thwi. thar. Wk. the petition of Gabriel Domont. of whom Mr. Lanrier .poh* m much to the Lople oi Ix)ndon. and Jto whom he ..tolled M eloquently *he P*trioti.m Md oyidjr 5tH. Dumotot-the man who tried to wt up a prov Uional form o' t**^".' ™«°*» with hlmi^^l a. leader, in the Northweat. (The ragulation. pw-H by the «*fonn Government were then referred to ) Tho petition, from the half breeo. Mktd that ?hS; riSTu to tho land, .hould daf from the time of their "ttlement: that the ' mice .hould be confirmed not at what i^ wa. at the time of entrv, but wliat it wa* whei they firet went on the land a. iKluatter., and that all ImprpTenjent. made b3OTeth?aurvey .hould be allowed for. 'Thi.wa.in 1881. Dumont". petition c«ne KoirOovernment in 188.3. What are the fact.? Bveryone of the- conce..iona Sked ?or bad been already gr.nt«i by the Opvernment before Dumont. petition w^ received (loud cheeri.). The tir.t waa on the 27th of November, 1881, and the I^on" on tile 14th of Juie. 1882. and the l«t in October. 1882. 80. you .^. that the la.t thioB they had aaked for had been allowed to them before Domont. petition e^^e lu 1 a»k what you can think of men who will My the Government denied 2uh«; pcoplTi r^que.ti wSn the record, under their hand, if they had ohown to Iwi. woufd have .Wn that the Government granted •"'•rythlng that wa.*.kedT fch«r..7 Then I oLe to the .urVey of land wUh Mr Laurier dealt with. He • laid the Government per«i.tently refuwd theee w/ople their .urvey. They dW "othlng of tho kind (cheer.). The policy of &e M«ken.ie Government w« foUowedby Sir John A. Macdonald in thU reep^t. In the Act of Pwliament reUtiuR to the North-w.Bt Torritorie.. there wai a oUu.e permitting a different kind o? -urvey where the people de.ired; Jthat ,f the .urveyor went into an un.urveyod portion of the territory, where people were already upon the l«nd. the .nrvev. could be made on the river lot plan, if it wa. no deaired. If, however, they wont into ; part of the country where tLre wa. no settlement, they ^^^ ^.^^^^ fa aonorda..ce with the general plan, on the rectangular principle. Ypu will agree witrmrtbHtthat wa« a lair way to proceed (cheer.). There wa., however one iSttoX pan^h. aud *he petition, had relation to that. It wa. St. Loui.de Cigevin, in which the people, having Mttled after ^^^^V' 'f^^^^^ aJvommcnt should wnd up .urveyor. to re .urvey the land. The»«J«?P;«5»J been iu the country before the survey, but not in this particular parish. Thw parljh ?on the south bank of the 8a.katchewan| while they were principally on the north bank When the .urvey wa. made there were but two .ettler^^Mose. Bromner and one Bouchet-and neither aaked for the .urvey on the river lot prineiple. That i^Sie record a. it i. In theSurveyor General', offi. e. The .urveyor; therefore, went on the reclauKular principle, abd afterward, thew people came mItom the river and SSm'ndeStha't a re^.urviy .hould be made. The Gov«nm«nt dW i^fujo to do th« they refu.e it now, and they will refu.e Jt (applauw). For *"" "y" ^.Tn» woJld not be right nor .ouid public policy to lay down the ^o^W? *J»*P«?PJ« Tmrng Into the country, and not liking the irtanner rf .urvey. could 4^ a 1^^^^*^ *^.". ■ * . — -^_ii„i.i- * _ * t . ,l^ Ji ..t K»jl h m an thar a wr e vjou. to rorveVilh e T . XlVronly appU^blVto th^ ^ ^ h o ^had b ee n ther e pr e vtou. to^iit i rvevMh^. he«r) If ?he*alf breed who wa. not bom on the wiloould do it. anybody of whYto wttler. oould do ft a. well. , They oould »y on going \*h«re, G ve n. » Sff^t form of .urvey or we wiU takfe np our muaket. and make It hot for you. ^JSit^tUni of toat ktod would be to*rtnder aU government and leguUtion. aaortlTo (< ' proviaion 1 all. lien F.bmary, broke out, oonflrmwl "Th« « " Ut If DMjortty of I hotnMt«*rf f lorniliiK • l<> " 2iii1. I In whieh o»< "Sftl I wtdlh, and « . iJsoImi ooverninent» thfi Kcform aaktd that b : that the vbat it waa manta made Btition oama tccMioeHions Dt'a petition 381, «nd the roa Me, that int'a petition ment denied r had ohoien c waa #iked T with. He They did rament wm Parli»ment ; a different ent into an bhe land, tha Dwuvur, they ere to anrvey ou will agree lowever, one St. Louis de ed that the le people hiul This pariah on the north oaes Bremner leiple. That erefore, went the river and ite to do that, aon : That it le that people ik a privilege rorvey4h ea r, .anybody of are. Give ne m it hot for yon. idregnlaaon* «iLv«fM (ahaari) Although tha ( lovarnmaot ^afaead to do th*t, thay made ft . WUteLw whioh th««. rJipl. .K,«l.l get th.ir Tana on the river lot prlno p e »ft«r all Here lor IntUnoe. i. the l.tt«r of the Surveyor (i.neral. b«arlnj< .Ut« 4th irlhrtiarv 1884 which waa long before KM went into tha oouiitry »n.| the r^Ulllon Kra:. .ho^irg how tha wlShea of theM pjople ooul.l be m... ^T'lat Utter waa oonflrmeii by an oTder in Council. I will read tha ingKeetiooe In that latter : •• Th. wl«hrt ol ill* -%%\mtn oouW ••^ty »»• met, without Inoony.nUne. or prajaiile* to the I JA JLui-«ir»tow ..h i.-lMlr. Iv.r lot*. th,n h. .hmiM hav* pow.r to Mt^ot Ih.l avtry width I^d rh.^f!l «t:nd iwo mil., to tho .l.pih «l two.-otlon.. In which cm, th«lr r..,..v.t .houM •^^'Vlot oft*«Tay oh.ln. wld. by on. mU. d-p weutd be d,«rib*l In th. pat.nt a. o.«ppo«d of -^^\?TTrdTcZTnZi. bv t-omll.1 d..p won'd h. dMorib.d M th. w«t.rn. >^t.m. northarn or ^mlhern h»|v.« of eight q.urt«rqu%rt«r "•ot'""* _ „ >• "Thoar.e.o..uld.Mllyl>.foundbyr«f.r«noetothU..mo.. v a » 1 4k Thia lettc .! Mr. Devllle'a wae a.-,knowle to Induce them to make their enCrle. af t.r thw p an (uheera). Mr Duck got Father Andre and Mr. Maullet to go with »^','» *? '"^"-P^J »'^! matter to the half breeda ; wd yet. In spite of allji|. >hey '•'^"•««1,*« "'^,'^« *^"' SI. because there w^e emissaries among tj^vho were »"»««■ ,*°."?»^'; SonbS (ohMrs.) That-4a.the whole question of tM^ver lot •urveys. Outsl t e, t waneSor his opinidn, and reoogniatog ahw that no man knows the half-breed. ,KIK?m«nt of th« noonlry. »h«y o«wUI hardly fimlil lh«l f***fVMi of ttt* dM h* m«DUon«i ahnulil ba Mt sMrt anil r«m*ln unlftubU or iii/%li«n«t»i« f(ir ^hra* g«n«r»U<>na. It would not h»v« atooil th« U»«t for Uin if««™ (oh««r»|. Thl« pl«a pcovidtol that uoUm th«r« wm oontinuoua MtUani«iil for Mir«« ya»ra, th«< half br«od •hoahl loM hia land. Thai nunti wm uunmomMUy. Thay had th« rlgh* U. |to la and hroak up tha land, llv« at laaat all montha tn tha yaar for thraa y^ara, and havlntf fuUuLl that condition, thay oould gat Ihalr paUnta: Thb ra«iuaat |iteowl tham Ip a woraa |MMitlon than tha'onllnary whIU aattUr («ha«r»). That haa b«an tha oouraa tha <;ovflmni«nt haa purauad. hut thaa« (MMipla praaaati for tha half braad BoHp, and In thia oonlllot of aiiKKn'^ion •«»'• ailvloa. oomlng fr<»m Important authorl Uaa In tha North- weat, tha oauaa of tha <;<)varnniant waa ona of dfllloulty, bol tha Ooramniant datarinlnad, navarthalaaa, to comply with tha rtMjuaat of tha half brftda and giva tham tha aorlu. It la aald thay did not do thIa until tha aoho of K«aJ|*t Ihick lAka rcaohad (ha Danartmantal buildings at Ottewa. I hava hara tha Ordarln ('Ounoll paaaad on tha iNth of January, 1H80, two full montha bafora tha raballion broka out, authorising tha iaaua of thia aorip. and at the haad of tha Commiaalon annt up was your raapaotad oitiiana (ohaan). What do you think of man who, in tha faoa of that faot, inaiai thai Iha Oovammant did not mora until after tha flght at Duck I^akaJ (Ohaan.) I hava mada a good many ohallangaa al a grant many plaoaa, that anyona aboold pinoa bli fingar Mr. I). M*l«n«y to ()tuw» wllh » iH.tll.<.n. oont*l.ung »h. '«"<>• ^«"'*»'r^ T.H Thai . riv., .«.*.» I.. aUowd lo lh.«», *Uh U>. two mlU. M«l». M l« Prtnc AlNtt. °" *!:rZyts.d i*.i;:i"p.';;Jl::: li^Wiitsu .« •dv.m* d ~r.,y -.o-k b* ptofcud •» u.,., ''•'SLrThS'iL^srxri:Lt'ro:M„u.,Far.i.«,.^^ . , Tth "Buy •*«4 for »h« abolition of timber du«». »„„ „, 14. vlmnltv Si Hsiissii'rj^rt'iit^'^rrrLrd^n^^^^^^^ "■\'SX; tli.y ••k.d lor •orip. M hi«l b..n |tvm 10 th« h^f-br.*!. of »l«llob.. fth* A ^tl^ WM muii from th« D«i»ftiii«nl on th» I2lh April. 1883. ftplylng to MV(ML d«auuidit>f tlM, {Mtition, «■ foUowi j — SlE'J^w::? ^ a-i'-^rr.i.- rra- pun. o. th. Survy, '^"^"TwIiiS^'XUpl. of W. A«b.rt. RdrtoIlM wl^<*l 8Mh.toh.wart to b.». tMr bokull SlUJaWilVrr CiJ.«l tt«. f Wht of pr.^«pUan giv.a lo ttem. wm promtaod. JS ^Jl±iCtt;'r.Sr'oa l«#l. -t'— ol .nmy •» *« pro«l«d -»«« Wly I. •^';irtS:"qSJ!Zor^l".l'pffi2rn'Sffi T^rHtoH.. tn P..lUm.n». .1 w« ...d. would •r£'^:r,ri«*?3^r.rr.t>iuh ««»»•'>•. hoidii,rt-t th.y w.r. mifinwrM,. »» "^^^'^ S2l"£WMXri«\WJ *o«.d b. .ppolnt.d . Sth. U WM promlMa y**** ""■;■?■"• '.i^"- -ithin tha Durvlaw of tb. Lieutenant a.ii.r»i-m. oJSi ^:r;^".:i""t£fa "tt'^s ^^Jivi*!:; ^i:sr^ c..- u, tbat p...gr.ph oi *^ wITu w^ .tetod kh.* Ui. QoT.rnm.ot would oonilder th. .|UM«on ol th. oUlm. ol tb. h.M- 'br.wl.oi thoNortb-wMtTwrltoflM loMrip. . ci The fiov«rmnent re(u«»d to •boliih the timber daw Ip % »n*f"«* of *^» J^^ floantnr- It wm. not their p,iUoy to •boli.h them. The rfop Utlone •^owtdjkj !2Sl?to JLlon the (lovernibent land and get out what tfmber he Quired lor £&« "teiSig i fuel? tJader certain llmlU, but the«i lUxl^ limit. W-" m«i. ilSrSS; Ilhf ilntod to|o on th« Orowa Und. and out timber to wOl. he mart ni'. mJ^it S^yTmSe Oovoinmoat promUed to gr«t -very requeet of the StiuKTxc.pt tha/and^e one relating to the highwar, .^""J.:" "J^;;^*'?^ Sroidnoe to deal with, and reprewntotion in Parliament, which «hey rewrved for GSir co^deration. -WheS the deputation. Father Leduo and Mr. Moloney, go* h^ tSriewned that the Government had not .ent up initruotion. in re|^'<» »» > Sr5>i!2dorj«mlSd. and 0.. July 30th Father Leduo .ent • J'tt.' to toe Si2LlS.dr.U.tt.ntlontothede^J^ ■^ y •/ ,2( /: flrai»tionbv thy. 8unr.vor-a.iwna. I mb alio to remind y<>^ ,*^*X\^«*^l^^^A^ZZ^^LSkSi pMed Md »pprov«d. t6fl oth«r ttrpt In ttwfmoi to the ol.lm- ol Mttlcn al ^"X'?''hJwlt«V»hik SiVJinVd 9t Albert oinnot be pKooe.led wtth ,•» '• »^« '"»«^»»" °';''^J1'"^S wlti. « '«S* noutine«iw«ry fled were the pewle, that wh^n the rebellion broke out, the young men of St Albert, inetead of feeling th^ilr wrong., a* Mr. Laurier My*, theB« young half brcedi of St. Albert enlisted under Captain George, rtf Mont-enl^Ad took up arme. not a. rebeli attHinxt the Crown: bat ajjaitiBt their brothers and against Lome Riel, ae loyal ro) i«otB (immeni.e cheering). So the poor people, about whose wronus Mr. Laurier U trying U> excite your eympathieB— tl.efe very people wtre more loyal than i-aurier, and fought on the -ide of the Crown, putting a«ide their ties of kindred and acting according' to the light they had of the (Jovernmenfs intentions. Their course WM a lesson which I would td God he and his followers would take to heart («l»e««)- For they, wi»h their greater opportunities of learning the facts about the rebellion, htfve less to justify them than had any one of the poor half-breeds, who, as has been admitted by themieWea, took up arms without cause. The claim for sonp wa* the Mly on«^oti settled in full when Louis Riel went into the country, and it was cot a quMtiob aff^ctingthe half-breeds who rel,elled,asover 92 per cent, had already received ft N"W, if I wanted to prove to you that the Government settled all these mattera -witisfactorily, and that the people were fully informed of it. I. can do so from their own authorities 1 can give you the testimony taken in the tnal at Kegina. I will rive you the evidence of Father Andre on the matter^: ♦,„. ^f ♦•.. • "h-yf II vou dUte, It, since the srrWsl of the priponer In the country, up to the time Of the tebolllon. the Government have msde »n favorsble snswer to »»«««••""•'• •"^"'"'^•"U^'ji^ bnldB? A-Yes IknoWthey h»\e sccceded to oertoln drniuds in regard to thOM who did not tet^'lp In MsStoW A tole«r» n w- sent on the 4th of March Isst, grant nn the .srip. ^ * 0_Before thJt time? A.-Yes, regarding thb alteration of survey of lots along the river, there wm w msw« froSthe Oov.niii.ent sajing they would grant it, and that was an important ^ossldon^^ question, then, remained to be settled ? A.-The question of paten to-tbat has also been .etiled in a certain way. bec»UMi Mr Duck was eent^'and 1 went wHh him a- Interpreter. "^"•S -What other que^n remained ? A -Only the question of wood timber " So, you will see that, according to the sworn testimony of Father Andre, when the rebellion broke put there was just the wood timber question remaining, which the Government declined th*n, as it do. s now, to settle in any way. VV nen I was in the North-west, I was met by a deputation of the pepple of Prince Albert lart vear Their one complaint was in nineteen petitions, which were not gn. vanoea by any means. So plainly did I explain the matter to them thit Mr. Millar, who bad always been regarded as one of the greatest opponents of the Governments policy, and one of the strongest Liberals there, got np at a dinner, which waa tenderod to me by the people of Prince Albert in the evening, and said he was fully ■atisiied with the iostice of the Government (loud cheers). So» I say, Mr. i^atim baa not much of a leg to rest upon when he stands np and endeavors to inol^to the people to support the cause of rebellion (renewed cheers). Tm« man Riel, who ha. teen held up m a martyred patriot, who by the gradual diffusion of edoci^lon ^mong the Liberals-no, I sho^d say among the Clear Grits, for that is their nkme ll«nBhter)-thiB mpm, who has been elevated aa a hero and martyr in this oountrV— tbialUel, I ask, what kind of a man was he T Let ae show yon from the testim<^ny of Father Andre what kind of a hero he was : «• O -1 believe, in the month of December 1874, you had an Interview with Riel and Nolln with Mgart w awrtoln sum «l money wbloh the prisoner cisbned from the Federal Goveinmentt A.- ■ot with Nolln ; NoUn was not pnsrnt at the hiterview. ':§:-Wi!l?WeU^'whI*ttrJuon.r^^ A.-Ih«ltwo IntervieWH with the prisoner on that subject. ■ „..^, rL«^„-,„„t « *b« Feder^ (H>veniment, 4ldn the I A.- Whon the Prisoner made his oWm. 1 was there with another K-nt'^inM^M^he asked from the StTr-mortnTJ^W* thought that was exorbitant, and the prisoner said. "Walt a Uttle, I wUl take at once 186.000 sssb." •bout £w«nty ••>*«»\'«*|J. ^^"\o Mk T*u to me yoof lnnu«not with the F«d«f»l <»<>'«"'"""'**• " Q -That mv hto »re»t oo«ip»tlon t A.-Yej. ^ SlTmlSl im. the WiM-biwd queitlon 1 A.- .-3.-^Ultiiottru«lh*t toe priMnjf told yw that bo hlm^^ 4^,»,^ He dld'not M^y eo In •»P"-,»«"S:i,*~l£: .ffiK?wM nSdSto htatiiat eren If the Qove.nm.nt ;rt:dt fc/ocS^rhe'liS^h Auffi^^^^ toe — . «<» "• •-• '" .n«.er t , th.t. f' -r,-Wn*S?-^Kr*5.rd"io^he would •.en^^o.^t •,'- ^21 i^cS'S^. y^uP- Mid, ' u«e"n the Jnfluenoe you omi, yon may not ge^aU th»t. out get mi you-u. « p wtwllleee." ... • "i^iJukd He wanted the Governmentto buy « of PMlUment, ttJd that for $5,0Da he llel, there werewry few who could bfelieye Now, that was the motive Mr. LooU ] him off. When Sir John, in the floui could settle the qaeation and get rid of the truth of the .tatement. *»lo°8^ »j»9y„?°^?, ""' Jwlillaa Tm^ who could be eb of Sir John'- words. ^ B«t*hey did/not M eve th«^ ^ great a misoreant that for the sake^f «°*"°'"f .J J*^5J Slhe miseries of war. Se liv« of h» ;«"°^?rw*17orM?^La& th.^^^^^ ™S. that member of the stood eide by side. .^ „, , A voice— They said Riel Mr. White— Well, U he. I a lonatic, thought , . ,^ras he suffered for his lunacy (enthusiastic cheers). WhaTa^e W-. to say. 1^/- j^CX'^oJ^lf^Ei- h2?.wf.: »d Z^^ ride of this toble, one of Wr.SffoXTSfe t^^^ of iere oommi.. they were so serious, so teirible »* "^ ^'^^Vla^.m^'hi. own life to further «riion for ^^^1-^';^:,^'^^ Sr^d^Srhe'iSlJ; who .ay. Riel was • their cause ; and the 8f>"Vj u -- iw,i„ ..nt to »n asvlum. and that the Government mere lunatic, that he fcld ^^'^'•^♦^liJhYere"; the platform. You pay. should not have hwij^ him. XJ» had "^^. ~'P_^?"„/,4„gh»fcer and cheer.) -the your money and yo/take. y^'^L''^^; J^ntSd by Mr L^ier ; or the drivelling patriotic, self sacn/oing »5»??'' " "P'ffJ^J Ss doini! w r^Fe^nted by Mr. «bverDment wan gfoing to B»nt the tigmm oi »uo •»• *"''.^S'lDld you Aow th. w«»«r to Wen A -I diowed the reiJy I w«iv«l next Sunday. "SZTha™ In the month of? A -Februanr. "Q -In the beripBlng of the month ? A.-xejL year, that the Englinh had bee:Jjir^^tfcm7t:pSia^^^^^ •"'^'""'• Uln toebegln^lngof M^h^^hereame^^^ .-Were you pw^nt when ttat meeti^J^ orgwueu » ^^^„ took adwintane of J on(anl««l by «.. I^i^-^^^^^^^ people of the anawer S,\"^^mMi5*SfvX£th.'5«Uthey h«l«ntio?^ ^ ^ . . T ehould , That was the attitude pfl..ul. Kiel J dp pottM^^^ detain you much longer. I have gij«n /«" ? P^°\SST^?ermuent being guilty of unvarnished record, .howing t?^*ilS.1?aiL^hi whtohT«y way would have wron^, and »> f ar « theje SaM-breed. having ^h*^^ ^ ^^ ^^^ juetieed that rebeUion^ 7^"!?f!S!LValf br^!7ch!e«) Go into the Muskok» world wereever better tn»ted than th«»lu^^ ^ . ^^^ diatrict and a.k the wttler how J'*!**" J*' ™JSl toll yo^ W. troubles are ■ij^toSsi . 10 ThMe people were not dbturbed ; they were taken o»re of. The profeealon and prlvilegea of their religion were gnwranteed to them. T,heir civil righia were guaruiteed them. Everything th»t they dedred they got (oheera). Their grievance* were imaginary. On the Saakatohewan there were grievanoea whioh did not exirt in fact, and there were grievanoea whioh had been meaanred by the f90, at which, M a rale, they aold their acrip. And atill we have Mr. Laorier going through thia country becanae of thia prooeaa of ednoation whioh I reforred to a moment ago, and in Ontario, where a year ago he would hardly have expected to get a reapeotfnl hearing, endeavoring to excite the feelings of the people, iMcanae, as they aay, the Government did not properly treat the lialf -breeda. And Mr. Laarior, of all places in the country, comes on a platform in the city of London, w^ere (me of your yonng and loyal sons lost hia Itfe in defence of his country. Conaoions tliat he was carrying his life in his hand, he makbs his will and goei out in the asrvioe of his Queen: And vet Mr. Laurier comes here to harrow up the feelings of his friends by aaying if ha had been on the banks of the Saskatchewan he would have shot him down. G^d help the man who could make anoh a oold-blooded statement on a platform Inr London ! Now, ladies and gentlamen, yon are, af cer all, the masters in thia matter. We publio. men may stand on a platform and state our case to yon, present our viewa and give yon the evidence, but, after all, under our civil svstem, you are masters of the position. Your speaking is the effective speaking. I leave yon with the record I liava stated to-night to do yonr duty whan your time to speak arrives (tremendooa and continued cheering. ) HON. GEORGE FOSTER. Dondof applaose. H» Whan Mr. Fester oaine fomrard he received a hearty rov nidi- Mr. Chairman. lAdiea and Oantlemen,— The only thing I have to be sorry for is that as a resnlt of my long and deviooa wanderings I liave oaoght a oold. wliioh may make it difficult for yon to hear me. However, with yonr Und oo-operation, I will do my beat, and hope to snooeed in that partioalar if in nothing more. I felt very much at home m the sleigh in wliioh we ware brought to this hall, espeoially when I saw the yonng men who came to meet as, attd I felt even more at hmne when I came Into the hall and heard the hearty oheera with whioh Tyon reoeived na. It proved for one thing that tha yonng men have good Inngs, which is a very easential thing for good fighters to have. I will take yonr fighting^ qnidities on trust, having heard yonr Inngs. There is a wonderful bond of -Freo' masonry uniting the man who fight under the same politioal banner, and as there are only the two great political partiea in Canada, so the visitor from one end of this great Dominion feels at home when he meets his fellow Gonservativea at the otiiar, and I hope if any of yon should wander down onr way, that the) reoep^on yon would meet with would have a similar effaot on yon. It is not my intention to touch on the subject so admirably jn r sse n ted by my friend Mr. White. Hehaa placed the subject before yon in affair and impMrtial manner, not tiving ta extenuate any of the d"i5J^iS„ w^^^ the Sing ; he pick, up the '-Uf _«»;«* ^^"^^J*. "J'rbS;vI wPat he .ay.. He palerrfoklv form of rampant QritU"»v XXm^ he toS. of proud aohievement., Srateeof tbedeedeof *^« «"»*'»*J*.""5'SlS'of dX5p1«. that .tand a. firm Sflght. fought "? J*****"^" J? 'JSiM^Sni yJu^r^rt^^ .emblanoe which today a. the rook, cheer.) ; yet he ^^^If **°'2"^y?»J"|i.ni of fifty ywtf* fp> h. flaU. before you h« .omething of tj? 8»?d 'J^ J^^'J^g-™ J\Si,7 iJok n^b (cheer.). It ha. not (loud «aie.of " no j- J^»**",„y J'h; /perhapJ you are no» hl.faco«nd«y pwhap. y^-^Y'JSf fUuSKi^toSyon haviSJmmV^^^ «d M calm and have not M Mwne a .oul ('»'»?°**^J^°°'i^^ ,t the i|.uM. When he SrtTaie not goins to •ocet* any »b»m •"bholeth. Ixwk at tw pi ^ ^ ^ SSi you the.5 thW. -J y'i'ii^^I'SSulKi yoi Snnot v^S or him. "book Ube4l,butif hedoe.n^^\^^l!^^ I .av it to their .hame- fatteir'pre-.^ M''**^'S:S^.SSrfr5"i»7H^^ ^^y^^^^irii^^sLt^^".-^^^ jSLto'TelropponenUt ffri" • " '\;'|??;5^\e/JX.^;vir5fa. F^^^ alnue i. not aignment (oheen). , Avoloo-Whatabouttoe^Jfa^7 . j^ „„ _,^ the two paper, dde by Mr. Forter-Ye., I will ^•»P*^«JS»t ,-^ iSeU in the m«.t oourteou» trom Mr. Blake down, they aU wejt. *»J" ^ jo jno a •nllo: That robrndy devdopment of ^^yJ^J^S^, ifi'JIuLSiSltw whole-le robbery «i they grant upon certain term., but Mr^ltte "«^^ „,„i^ ^ho work, for » SSiJtion, ^ .eekr to ^^.JZ^^l^i^^^^Oiiy^^rA. Mr. robddy andget.it, rita^in ^•'^•S^^^WwUch Mr. Blake ha. retafled Forter then went »"*othj "^J "^ JJj SSdiSSi how M^Blake had defended everywhere. The fact, were ij'Sr^- You^m &.d there wa. nothinjj itatya- to the plan of ilwder. Mr. FortBr-lW . r ou .iimde^ ^d nothing else niMlike •bout hi. deiiUng irtth that c«J. rtikCT a angle question a. to PoH^ll tJ^h iJeSJiKwSt^ or did he S5hetalkalSmteTerythfagel^a«.dMttoucJ^th^ ^^ ^^^ go rtraight to hi. own poUoy and »»y «*'*'^y°,,VISrS wne thing aU over this Kdhefliirk it ? (Ori- of " no, no.'^ ^^^J^^Sn S?do S?«ipporter. of country, and - heU|d«»^5 ^J £:Su"y of toloSv^eit. Thra>ry in ttr;r^u^tir^thr^^^^^ i It i /. «wo of Mr. BUk«"s ipMohM. Ooe wm giv«i in OrflU* and w»oth«r In {j'®"*®' Oo« in » (M off place and the other In the njetropolu of Ontwio. T»ke th«m M wrniplee-remd and digeet them thoroughly, and lee whether Mr. Blake In hto wandering, through the country throw, no du.t In the eve. of *»»••'•<{«",..{• Orillla we took up the GoTernment policy In detail, and defended it. Mr. BU»e wa. there after we were, and we expected that he wonld take up the qnf««»°'*5J we dJicutwKl, aod turn them ln.lde out. Take the (Jtofte report and read It. What did Mr. BUke doT Why. la the tir.t part of hi. .peeoh he took np the qnntloaoi Sir John Macdonald'. .icknew. He wondered whether Sir John wa. a. .ick a. he Mid he wa.. or whether he wm only "foxtag," and after balancng the pro. and eotu tot a time, he came to the Mplent oonolu.Ton that he wa. " foxln« (•»»«»>*•')• The next i* public" queetlon di.cu.Md by Mr. Blake In thl. .peech— and thto ImperUnt queation take, ip one and a half column, of the Oiofte report-wa. whether MrVBlake -honld be likened to Haman or Mordecai ! After holding the audience breathle.. on thw momentou« que«tlon, he concluded that the .hoe. and raiment of Mord..oai would fit him best, and bo announced to the beaming jatufaction of WmiM-lf and the great delijjht o/ hi. follower, (laughter). After that he tcok up hia Orange .p^eoh, and hi. remark, on that .peeoh fill three and a-h»lf coluinuii in the Olob^. He dlHou«i^ long ai^ m> mercileaaly ridiculed. The artiaana and the farmer. Me that they are in a measure bonnd up with toe phieperity of our manuf*oturlii« induatrie., m that tho^men, their work and the pKMluoe of the farmer mayi>e kept In Canada (cheera). What doe. Mr. Blake aay ? ^' Oh, you- manufacturer, don't need to fear, beoanae we bave to raiw a high revenne, imd that will be .uffioient protection to yoiu. " Will it ? Inhere om be the highaab / protection with a low of revenue. Take the duty off article, that can be mimnfao- lured here, and yon get the reaWt in the flooding of our marketa with good, in a ' ' " . ^ . " — ^~ ^ ^ ^ " t ■i> w.y that would mto onitnA*^J»iridn<^ri^ I myj^ ^^TJ^n'S^i T!2't pay may heed^to thaw men, who t^ *o JJJf ^^j, ^h, n,»nuf»otar«ri. Who MTMekingtortUBMtagonUm! I«yJ*«Y,tSr and oipft*!.* Now. \»Aifm »ad \SptSen. w to the N*tlon»l PoW^V-^f. "J^^* O fi007.mer. who live within ilSlK radlui. Th.y wIm • qu«tlty ofgrjto '""^i^i^/th.y ^„t to ..U at Jo«£' m„k.t but th^ •^.J'^fr'.^d^KSSi w«t ;; boy. fh. fnn,r. -y, !.<.«« The uliMUi* with their wive* »uu •■"" l_^ (>£f j,, uiii we oan ^Teh7ve\S7:d.o..to«^^^ ««»«•*• it in every ^•i""?-,!!^! of^t. eiSiittiemeJr Wh«S wm Mr. Bkke then? He w- pMrt»nd>rnJt of itoM^yi2«J?»«JJ^ 3^ ^ Government oarried it Sown MBong you flghjM ffiTfoSm) &» I886^five yeu. before the time throuA to Ae wooejitaTi^ now •luorMlv. budneM, promSed-th.lMt.pike '^.^^If ;,^Ttff%iir ,nd drawing through the ^'^•.^'••JSfiJ ^h to^dTv ewT one feeU proud m . Ctamiian, m line which That i. a «»^it«n«^^rtSS.-in the ™ of the world (loud ohMr..) I eve, our ««»»5,5J"" !^|JSSK Sm I don't often «t you, and w I mu.t ,owIamweMT^yonrpatlwDu» ««n* g^ ^^ ^j^ ^^^ ■ET^ *** ^"7 "-7if ^l?^'and Jh£ w. «* it-whUe we .hould not be either a '^^•^'^^'^^Jll^ZS^i^^^ot it. Then the queetion of the pubtto "•^^ <* ' fP!l!iS!S!r7^^SOTnt i toe «ltlol«n which fi put upon it Mr. i?*^^Sl?affl?Si^t;^SSiB? WhShe WM tolking ui at'^li-ley he Blake talk. afc«mt It, flmMw-^^ hundred and twenty miUion doUvr.. ud ^^tth^i^debtwa^nowt^^ ^ would tooob. *^i™»^jTtL^eh^^ fimay. Take the pottu- ^owntoCWtMdthereheMldt^MpswMj^ forty thouwad ftenilT... Ution. dividrlt ^1^^'^J.^ZiMiSl^^ wind, that aU up Multiply thai by 300 and Jijf^SirMvfaL ''Sr; ta i mortgage for that amount ^^«M»dth««w».ltrtttofKn« «UMKrMme,and you're mi your farm, ^ou don t know It . «JJJ^ ^^^ ^ rtatoment of the facta themanwho'.jiottopaylt. «?rf ap^P«*'^"""*^_/^v- j-w* — «,-«— t. n« 4)fthec the let ao-andw tl^ hK H?. iurt tumbliii over the rteep of bankruptcy. I My, I ^«I?.*wWrift5r nlwSiwioKebtahMheT. Howmany ffood i»«t««. don't think yf»" "'Vj^^-Tli iSdudble to mooOT ? Put that down and I wiU ^-^^'^^ja^d^STdtiT^rfSSy'S"^^ LetMbeMAeuMtwith getatthe wdjM«JillJ>«^^ thi. iUuirtratlon Mr. Fortw •bowed that «»• "'^^SS^SJt^ win -iJmed fi^ th? Province., and for tlie J re_- remaining HrS5ldted^e'iS'viry-«uch, ^\rX^ Mmainioff wun to be acoonnted for. The SiStiS; bS^VWM the i«t«Mt. whidi WM re^Uy \ iprcMnted ^eHwnoe of the whole debt rever wm the mwnew, wm«i w-- .««, J»« only burden rjirtiiigmou ^- . TS^'iTlSTfl badTbewi but $1.59 p« head of the population: awT in ^?_P!«P?«V. T^!iiLl!lKr!iJrL^t (chS). With the incrcMe v« J» *""» Jf*' PJH^Af own woids. (Th« spmksr thm rowl tho Nsolatlon of Mr. Bkks'soilvliir $6,000 for Rlors oMtnn, tUwoids bsginnliig th* rsmlatlon bslng-" tho cokl-blood«l mmito^.") What do tha frlaads of thorn whom hearts w«ro sxposMl to th* robsls'hollststhlak of this? RM wm a rotaU mordanr wh« »>• <»««^ pw Boom's dmth. bat he wm a whoUsak murdsror whsn ha Inoltsd th* iDdlaas to nmlt. H* smt word to Poondmaksr to rls*. pluadfr, barn and dtotroy, and Poondmaksr smt word back that h* had don* so. and th* bodies of th* mardorod nisslonari** aiid womm ky oold and stiU la dsath on th* jprairlss. Have w* fidlm ao low that w* most barrow among th* mard«r*n and tralton to And oar horoaa t Th* half br**ds and Indians had no grisvaoess; th*y w*n as Are* as the air wbm Ihoy raised th* nbsUlon whloh was pat down by the loyal, sens of OaiMa. and y*t Ladrlar come* hero and d*fmda thla orim*. and whm goad*d to It In Windsor th* Olh*r dayjh* rop*«k*d th*atat*inmt he had made beforo. that If he had bem on th* w.^v. of the Saakatohewan he woald have takm op amosket against these oar loyal Moa and brothan. And if I had been a volante«r . and at the oommand of my oooatry. followed by th* fervmt nrayers and tender wishes of the people. I woald hare pat a baUet in that nbel's heart-(Iond cheers)— and thanked God for letting m* do It— (immense appIaaaeHthanked Ood that then was one less robel to pollute this fair earth