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NICHOLAS STREET. ; 1870. 937142 CHRIST CHURCH CATHEDRAL VESTRY MEETING. A Vestry Meeting of Christ Church Cathedral was held in the Cathedral School Room, on Monday, Gth December, 18G9, at 3 p. M. The following gentlemen were present : John Swanston, Thomas Simpson, *jeorge Moffatt, T. B. Anderson, D. L. MacDougall, Thonias Davidson, Col. Martiudale, Wm. Adams, Frod. Mackenzie, W, B. Larabe, George Barnstou, Thomas Musscn, S. Bethiuie, Q.C. F. MacuUoch, James Gordon, John S. Honey, George Shaw, E. E. Shelton, A. Haadyside, John Ogilvie, W. NoiTis, J. CamMboU, W. Wonham, H. Shorey, A. Molson, John Lane, R. Eaton, J. F. Kidner, Thomas Ogilvy, John G. Dinning, Bolton Ilnipey, C. H. Tuggoy, R. T. Routh, Wm. Middleton, Hon. L. S. Huntington, T. Tooke, Goo. Macrae, J. W. Tuggej, M. H. Gault, "\Vm. Macrae, Henry Thomas, John Whyte, Charles Gjddes, John Lovell, D. Ross \Yood, F, Penn, A. Gough, J, D. Adams, T. Craig, B. Tookc, A. Joyce, A. R. Betlume, W. Evans, Thomas Howard, Duncan Robertson, J. M. Jones, D. J. Baanatyne. John Maculloch, Robert Evans, J. J. Browne, T. Harnett, J. Blakney, T. S. Brown, George Smith. F. J. Tate, J. N. Hall, "rancis Cundill, C. Nicholls, T. K. Ramsay, Q.C. T. Phillips, I J. Gibb, John Lowe, F. H. Simms, J. Kerry, D. R. McCord, M. H, Sanborn, John T. Dawson, T. Morland, A. McK. Cowie, A. Henderson, Reuben Taylor, G. W. Simpson, S. E. Dawson, J. C. Baker, John Tempest. Mr. Thomas Simpson, Church Warden, announced that the Dean was unable to attend, and it therefore devolved on the meet- ing to elect a Chairman. Mr. Geo. Barnston moved, seconded by Capt T. Howard, that Col. Smith take the chair. Objection was taken to this motion on the ground that in the absence of the Dean one of the Church Wardens should preside. Mr. Simpson explained that the Act gave the right to the meeting to elect a Chairman in the absence of the Dean. Mr. T. K. Ramsay, in support of the objection, proceeded to read the Act, which was to the elFoct that the Dean should pre- side, but iu his absence such one of the Church Wardens as shall be present ; if both Church Wardens be present then the meeting shall elect a Chairman from among themselves. Cheers and laughter followed the reading of this clause, it being evident that instead of supporting the amendment it told directly against it. No further objection being raised, Col. Smith was declared elected to the Chair. The Chairman, on taking his seat, read the notice calling the meeting, and then called upon Mr. Simpson to read a letter the Church Wardens had received from the Dean, which would explain the object of the meeting better than anything he could say. Mr. Simpson then read the following letter from the Dean : Montreal, 6th December, 1869. To tJie Members of the Vtstry of Christ Church Cathedral, Dear Brethren, — In consequence of the involved condition of our finances the Church Wardens and I deemed it proper to convene the Select Vestry. That body accordingly met, a short time since, and appointed a Committee to enquire into and report on the subject. The Committee, after a very careful and mature examination, reported as follows : Montreal, 20th November, 1869. To the Very Rev. the Dean of Montreal^ and the Select Vestry of Christ Church Cathedral, Montreal. Very Rev. Sir and Gentlemen, — Your Committee, ap- pointed to consider the present financial position of the Chri&t 6 Church Cathedral, report as follows, they having considered the subject in the order hereafter stated : — « Firstly, The liabilities on the 1st November, 1869. Secondly, The current revenue and expenditure, 1809-70. Thirdly, The causes of the present embarrassment. Fourthly, The proposed remedies. 1st. Liabilities: Liabilities stated in the Church Wardens' accounts (Schedule A) Ascertained $ 8,667 Estimated deficiency in tlie Building fund (see appendix A) (Schedule B) 3.157 Estimated cost of defending the suit of Wardle vs. Rector and Church Wardens of Christ Church Cathedral (Schedule C) 1,500 Necessary repairs to building (Schedule D) 540 §13,864 Deduct assets, cash on band $ 516 Arrears of Pew rent 1,793 $2,309 Less allow for bad debts 200 2,109 Deficiency $11,755 The letter of Strachan Bcthunc, Esq., Q.C., explains the present position of the suit of Mr. Wardle, against the Rector and Church Wardens. Should it bo decided against them the effect would be disastrous to the Cathedral. On the other hand, if in their favour, as may be reasonably expected, it will be for them to take the advice of counsel as to the recourse which may be had against Mr. Wardle and his sureties, in damages, for the injury caused in the construction of the building. These sureties Mr. Bethune considers good for any amount which may be hereafter recovered. Under any circumstances the cost of defending the suit is now estimated, as it has to be provided for. 2nd. Current Retenue and Expenditure, 1869-70 : Revenue Pew rents $0,920 Allow for bad debts 200 $ 6,7 Offertory 3,580 $10,300 Expenditure: Stipentis of Chrgij: The Dean $1,400 Canon Looscmore 2,000 Canon Btikh 2,000 Otjicloh: Vpstry Clerk §400 Organist 500 Henclle and Labonr , 500 H. Grant, for clock 80 Warren, for organ , 70 Verger 40 Sundries : Fuel Sl,090 Ga3 and candles 350 Water tax 115 Insurance $350 Wine 30 Charitable disbursements 1,000 Printing 25 Rent school-house 120 Rent Rectory lot 00 Repairs 500 Sundries 200 $5,400 1,50C 1,555 2,285 10,830 Deficiency on current expenditure, per annum S 530 3ril. The Causes of the Present Embarrassment : These arc clearly the excess of expenditure over revenue, partly in current and ordinary maintenance, but chiefly from extra and unforeseen chart^es, — as the assessment for the widecin"- of St- Catherine Street, the costs in the Wardle suit, and the ever recurring and apparently increasing cost on the maintenance of the building. 4th. The Proposed Remedies: As the number of Pews now leased is larger than at any previous time, and the rent charged for them is as high as can reasonably be expected, your Committee believe that it would be inexpedient T and useless to attempt to incroasc the revenue by nn increased pew rental. They further state their conviction that, owing to the former strain on the liberality of the congregation, and the present disturbed state of their feel ivgs owing to xoant of harmony in the Cathedral hody * any attempt to collect subscripiion money to extinguish the present debt would be futile. The only other means left open, which is evidently the proper one, is to reduce the expenditure suiHciently to cover current a-scertained expenses, contingent ones that may hereafter arise, as well as to provide an annual sinking fund to cover the present arrears. This object they propose co effect by a reduction of the current expenditure as follows, namely : Proposed Stipends of (Jhrgy : The Very Rev. The Dean $1,200 One Cnnon 1,800 Assistant .Minister 600 $3,600 OffiiiaJs : Urgimist 3J0O Clerk, Be.iiUe, and labour 700 Clock, §10 ; Organ, S50 ; Verger, $-10 130 1,330 Fuel, S700; Liglit, $300; Water tax, $115 1,115 Charitable Jisbursements 1,000 tSmidriis : Insurance, $360; Wine, $30 ; Printing, $25 §415 School-liouse rent 120 Constitut on Rectory Lot GO Repairs and Sundries 400 905 $8,040 Thus leaving a surplus of S2,2G0 per annum, S2G0 of which would be held as a reserve fund for contingent expenses, and 82,000 for the gradual payment of accrued arrears. Should these monies not be so retained and applied, the current expenses cannot be continued nor the accrued debt paid. * The words in italics are omitted in the report of the several members of the vestry. 8 This reduction of expenditure having appeared to your Commit- tee absolutely necessary, they have striven to apportion it as they considered feasible and expedient. The sum allowed for fuel is reduced to an amount proved to be practicable from the experience of years 1864-5-G, when the main building was not heated during the week days. The cost then was 8400 per innum ; §300 extra is now estimated to cover the increased cost of fuel. The salaries of the officials are altered by dispensing with the vestry clerk, and having the duty of keeping the accounts taken charge of by the present beadle, who is competent to fulfil the duty. No other alteration is made, as it might be difficult to secure efficiency at a reduced rate. The item for light is reduced 850, which can be secured by economy in the use of the gas. The amount allowed for charitable disbursements is necessarily limited to 81000. Heretofore this sum was expended in cash. An account for wood, usually amounting to §500 per annum was added. On this wood account, it appears by the liabilities stated, there is a balance now unpaid of 81,297. The maintenance of the Church Home, amounting to about 8500 annually, cannot hereafter be paid out of the Cathedral funds, but it is recommended that, with the concurrence and aid of the other Churches, provision might be made for it, by a special annual sermon and private subscriptions. As no further reductions are possible, other than the stipends of the clergy, your Committee feel bound, in the interests of the congregation and from the necessity of the case, to recommend the following reductions : The Very Rev. the Dean of Montreal, $1200 Canon 1800 Aasistant Miniater, 600 $3600 It will be remarked that provision is made for an assistant minister, although it appears to your Committee that this expen- diture is only entailed by the maintenance of a daily service, and an attempt to carry out a Cathedral service with only the limited moans of a Colonial Pi\rish Church ; this course appears to them inexpodient, as beyond the present means at the disposal of the Rector and Church Wardens of the Christ Church Cathedral. They advert, lastly, and with great regret, to the want of cordiality and harmony which evidently exists in the Cathedral body, which is apparent to the congregation. Thii subject would have been avoided by your Committee did they not feel satisfied that it aflPected most injuriously the temporal interests of the Cathedral. They have, therefore, in stating the fact as simply as possible, so as to offer the least offence, still as plainly as they can, that there may be no misunderstanding of their views, to recom- mend that the Very Reverend the Dean, as Rector of Chri'*; Church Cathedral, and in its interests, should take the necessary immediate steps to secure the discontinuance of the services of one of the Canons of the Cathedral. If this course he not adopted, it appears to your Committee that the present embarrassment of the Cathtdral ivill be increased by a vant of interest in the Church oil the part of the Congrrrfiifion, which loould lead to great''r financial dijiculties than your Commiltee hove noio to lay before you.^ All nevertheless respectfully submitted. GEO. BARNSTON, Chairman. ALEX. EMPEY. W. B. LAMBE. THOMAS SIMPSON. JOHN SWANSTON. This report, at a very full meeting of the Special Vestry, was unanimously adopted. The Committee and I very soon after waited on the Lord Bishop of the Diocese, and submitted the report for his consideration and advice. At the interview the Bishop gave it as bis opinion that it was desirable that both of the Cathedral Canons should resign, and he accordingly addressed a letter to each Canon, desiring him to do so. • These words in italics are also omitted la the report of the several tncmbers of the vestry. 10 To this re(iiest of the Bishop, Canon Loosemore declined ta accede, and Canon Balch, on the other hand, promptly handed me his resignation. I folt it to be my duty, undor the circumstances, to return Canon Bulch's resiirnation, and to consult the Committee as to my future course, which I accordingly did. The Commif^ee,. thereupon, delivered mo their opinion and advice, as follows: — To THE Veuy Rev. the Dean of .Moxtrea:.. Veuy Rev. Sir, — We, the undersigned, the Committee of the Select Vestry, appointed by ynurself, to consider the present finan- cial position of Christ Church Cathedrnl, who reported to the Select Vestry, on the 20th inst., wliich report was unanimously adopted, have now to state, that as you were pleased to invite us to accom- pany you in waiting on his Lordship the Metropolitan, to seek his advice, prior to using your prerogative, as Rector of Christ Church Cathedral, in dismissing the assistant ministers, or either of them, for the causes stated in the report; and as the Metropolitan pledged himself, in the interests of the congregation, to request the resigna. tion of both of these assi tant ministers, and in the event of their not doing so, that then you would use your prerogative, as Rector, which course he advised sliould be adopted, (and that he would not iutcrfc.'c therewith ;)^ and as the Metropolitan has requested the resignation of these ministers, in the following terms: *' I have "just returned from the Vestry meeting ; and after what passed " there, I regret to say tliat my decidt'd opinion is, that both the " Canons should resign their office in the Cathedral. For the good " of the Church generally, and of the Cathedral more especially, " and I may also add, for the interests of you both, T believe " that this wii.l be the best course for you to take. The financial " difficulties of the Vestry seem to demand it ; but still more the " very painful and unchristian position in which you have long " stood towards each other. Of course I have no authority in the "matter — that rests with the Dean. Rut as the friend of you " both, and the guardian of the peace and welfare of the Church, I " tender this as my best and most earnest advice. 1 trust that you " will not mistake my motive, and that God will guide you to act There is an uniufentional mistake hrTe. 11 "right." And as the Rev. Canon Balch has tendered his resigna- tion and the Rev. Canon Loosomore has refused to accede to the request* of the Metropolitan : thut the obediencef of the former and the disobedience of the latter to accede to this request of his superior, made in the interest of the congregation, justifies us in stating to you (what we withheld for the Rev, Canon Loosemore's sake) in making our report, that we consider tlie Rev. Canon Loosemore the cause of the dissensions in the Cathedral, and have therefore to recommend you to notify him immediately of liis dismissal, and have signed. GEO. BARXSTON, Chairman. ALEX. EMPEY. W. B. LAM BE. THOMAS SIMPSON. JOHN SWANGTON. We concur in the foregoing: — THOMAS SniPSON, | ^^ ^^ ^^.^^^^7^,,, JOHN SWANSTON, l^^"""" '»'<''«^»-'- Montreal, 25th November, 1809. On the receipt of this paper, I lost no time in forwarding it to the Bishop, accompanied by the following letter : — 2Gth November, 1860. My dear Lord, — Since seeing you the day before yesterday, I thouglit it necessary to communicate the result of your letters to the two Canons, to the Committee of the Select Vestry, and they have in consequence sent me the enclosed paper, in which you will perceive the Church "Wardens concur. In view of all the circumstances of this sad affair I feel it co be my painful duty to notify Mr. Loosemore that his engagement will terminate at the end of six months. This I cannot do unless the reason for giving such notice " be sufficient in the judgment of the Bishop."' In what has transpired so far you have virtually assented to such a course, but technicjilly I ought to have a * Not " re. payment of the salary of the present assistant clergyman, respectfully request that the Rector, the Very Rev. the Dean, be pleased to retain as assistant minister the Rev. Canon Balch, in recognition of tlie services that gentleman has rendered to the Cathedral towards the extinction of its debt, and his other- wise groat usefulness in the Church." Mr. SvvAN.-sTON seconded the resolution. Mr. HuNTiNOTo:, then proceeded to speak on the resolution as follows : — I merely desire to say in support of the resolution that the posi- tion we are in seems to me to be a very delicate one ; and I am sure I only eoho the sentiments of every one when I say that I would be very glad if I could, consistently with my duty, avoid the responsibility which rests upon me. I do not propose to go into the history of the case which has been so fairly put before us by t'le papers and explanations which have been read to us. It appears to me that the conclusions arrived at by the Rector and the Select Vestry are fully justified by the circumstanc3S which they have recited. Nor do I propose to enter upon any eulogy of the Riv. Canon Balch. My own opinion is clearly set forth in the resolution. I should hope tliat in the delicate position which we are placed we will avoid, so far as po.ssible, anything in this discus- 15 sion which would be Ciilculated to offund, or to increa.so that irrita- tion which his ]-ordship refers to as existing in the congregation . I shall, therefore, Mr. Chairman, merely submit the resolution, reserving, of course, the right to make any observations or explana- tions which I may consider necessary in the course of the dis- cussion. 3Ir. IIamsay. — Mr. Chairman, I regret cxtremi^ly the necessity of entering into an extended argument of matters of so serious consideration as those laid before us to-day. The Church "War- dens might very well have avoided anything disagreeable had they adhered simply to a statement of financial matters, without making a direct attack upon one of the Kcv. Canons of t'uis Cathedral (Cheers). Had the Church Wardens and the Select Vestry deserved the praises which Mr. Huntington showered upon them, certainly they had a very simple task to do — one which I am sure the congregation of Christ Church Cathedral would consider right and proper and the only manly course to take. But instead of that we have laid before us a carefully concocted attack upon Rev. Canon Loosemore (No, No; and Yqs) — an attack which, I maintain, is withoulfouudation, got up, perhaps, by persons hostile to him. Now, gentlemen, you will observe this, that tlie moment this report of the Committee was laid before his Lordship he cor- rected the very point upon which the whole recoiumeudation of the Select Vestry and this Select Committee of the Select Vestry turns. The advice of this Committee was — iii fact it was a foregone conclu- sion with them — that the Rev. Canon Loosemore, the senior Canou' be dismissed, and the junior Canon be retained. That was their suggestion. And why? Because of an act of disobedience. But when this point was brought under the notice of his Lordship, what does he say ? That it is not a matter of disobedience at all. That is what his Lordship pencilled in the margin of the Com- mittee's report, which was read when I asked for it. Now, gentle- men, I think we would do very well to avoid all these matters ; all we have to attend to is the fi:iancial condition of the Cathedral. But before I sit down I wish to call attention to one thing, and that is to the remark of the Bishop that he did not say he would not interfere with the Dean in his prerogative. I will tell you why. i? 16 The Bishop had not been informed — could not have been informed according to the circumstances — of the nature of the engagement ■with the Rev. Canon Loosemore. His engai^ement was this : That he held his appointment till reasons were shown, sufficient in the judgment of the Bishop, for his removal, and that after six months notice. It is perfectly evident that on this point, instead of the testimony of these gentlemen, the testimony of the Bishop was the right testimony, and that he has told us the real facts of the case. He could not have then said he would not interfere with the Dean's prerogative, for the simple reason that he could not have knowu till he saw the letter of engagement what the engagement was.. The Bishop himself said that he was not aware that he had any right to interfere ; that he had no judgment in the matter and only requested the resignation of the Rev. Canon. Now, allow me to draw your attention to this point : Mr. Loosemore, a clergyman occupying a good position at Kingston, wac requested to come down here and take the position of junior Canon of this Cathedral. Another clergyman is brought in, not as assistant minister, but a select Chaplain to certain members of the congregation. He remains in this position a while, and then a story is got up, and one of the Canons leaves the Cathedral. An effort is then made to get the position for the junior Canon ; but the late Bishop appoint- ed Rev. Canon Loosemore as senior Canon. Whatever dissensions may have arisen in the congregation he has not caused them, and no man can lay his hand upon any act of his that has led to dissen- sions, and it was a most unfair thing for the Church Wardens to bring in this sort of general vague accusation against him, without any facts to support it. (Hear, hear). The Church Wardens tell us that there is some irritation on the part of Rev. Canon Loosemore. When did he express this irritation ? Whom has he made complaint of? It is evident, then, that everything has been done to poison the mind of the Bishop, and to draw forth a letter, which, though we are not told so, has since been withdrawn by his Lordship, who did not intend to convey any accusation against the Rev. Canon Loose- more. Now, gentlemen, I have not come here with the idea of making this more disagreeable than it is; I was in hopes that all these matters which rumour had it was likely to be brought up at 17 this meeting, would not come up. No later than to-day I was told that nothing was to be said about any of the clergymen, but that we were to meet merely to have the financial statement laid before I therefore say I regret extremely that these most objection - us able accusations have been brought up against one of the Rev. Canons ; because nothing can be more objectionable than vague accusations without facts; notliing can be more detestable than that : and these are the kind of charges that have been brought to- day against Rev. Canon Loosemore. We are iu no hostility to the governing body of this Cathedral, nor to any one of the clergy, though we may prefer one above another. I have far too high an idea of the position which they fill to act with any kind of hostility to them personally. \Vc may have our prcforonces, but no general hostility that can prevent the Cathedral being as flourishing as it was a few years past. In reference to the financial statement, it is a very extraordinary thing that we are told that more pews have been let in the Cathedral than beforrf, and yet the revenue is smaller, and that we cannot collect funds on account of dissensions. Dissensions, one would think, would empty the Cathedral ; yet we are told by the Committee that the number of pews rented has increased. Instead of listening to these reports of dissensions let us face the matter in a plain, straight- forward manner. The revenue of tlic Cathedral is set down at 611, 000 a year. Our expenses this year exceeded our revenue by nearly $1500, and last year by only $500. In 18G7 we had a revenue of $11,905. Why is our revenue not as large now ? It must be want of collection. I think the motion before us is a most objectionable motion. If one of the Canons had to go it would be most invidious and improper to send av;ay the senior Canon, and keep the junior. A more pains-taking and earnest clergyman never administered service in the Cathedral [cheers]; audi defy any man to bring a formal, defi- nite accusation against him, founded on facts. I leave it to some other person to suggest some amendment to this objectionable reso. lution of Mr. Huntington. If we make up our minds that we must get out of our difficulty some way will be found to heal our dilfcrences. It is said that since the divorce laws were passed in England dif- ferences between men and their wives havo increased, because B ; I 18 when they knew they could not be separated they generally found some way to get out of their difl&culties. So if wo decide to live together we will find some way of making up our diflBculties. If the gentlemen of the Select Vestry have any feelings of irritation let me give them this good advice, to bury them for the future. The movement has come from them, from a very recognized few of the mass of the congregation. It certainly did not arise from the great mass of the members of the Church. I believe in reality if those gentlemen will abandon the idea the congregation will be saved any more trouble in the future. Mr. Thomas Simpson. — Mr. Chairman, I think I have a right to the floor, as a personal attack has been made upon myself and my esteemed colleague. It is said that we have joined in an attack upon Canon Loosemore. That I distinctly deny. It is said that he was brougl)t here from a higher position in Kingston. It is true he had §1,000 in Kingston, and that we gave him £300; the second year we increased his salary to £350 ; the third year we found we could not increase his salary, but Mr. Gault, Mr. Macrae and myself got up a subscription, and collected 0500 which we pre- sented to Mr. Loosemore. The fourth year we raised his salary to §2,000. These things will show our feeling towards Mr. Loose- more. We have done every ihing we possibly could to reconcile the difficulty between the two liev. Canons. I have called on Mr. Loosemore myself, personally, at his house, on several occasions, in order to get these troubles to cease for ever. Mr. Gault, too, has written letters to try and smooth over the difficulties. We have shown every disposition to be kind and friendly to Mr. Loosemore, and if that gentleman were here I would appeal to him to say whether or not loe had done , taken as assets as against our liabilities ; and the same sum — it could not be believed were it not in print — is brought down again as a tangible source of revenue with wliich to meet the current expenses of the succeeding year ! NVhat we want is a distinct and straight-forward .statement of our position. It is quite likely we can find a way out of our difficulties, for we have already passed through a similar crisis in our financial history. la ISGI the report showed a balance of a.ssets over liabilities of a very handsome estimated amount ; but the collections were so bad for the ensuing six months, and the pressure of payments, I presume, alarmed the Church Wardens so that, in the month of October,18Gl, I think, they issued a circular to all the congregation, filled with the most gloomy forebodings, and accompanied by a statement differing most materiallv from that which had been laid before us at Easier. But thoy met the Vestry in 1865 with a triumphant statement, which showed, it was true, a surplus of liabilities over assets, but also a large estimated revenue, more than sufficient to meet all demands. And in the present case it is quite likely that with a thorough investigation the embarrassment may prove only temporary, and, if so, our present ministers may even prefer to sub- mit to some temporary pecuniary sacrifices rather than dissolve their connection, which I have not heard is disagreeable to them. "1^ I 'J* , 22 (Hear, hoar). I am quite sure that each of these gentlemen has many warm and attacliod friends in tlio conp;regatiou, and if they are to be dismissed in this discourteous way, it will bring grief to many a household. (Hear). But if the worst should be as predicted, I do not think that the liberality of the congregation is exhausted. For n»y own part I shall certainly decline to contribute a single dollar till we are really put into possession of the real state of our affairs by a competent accountant. I think if that should be done there will be no difliculty in getting out of the terrible mess in which we are at present. At all events ojie good has resulted from it in showing the large interest which tlic congregation can take in their affairs if they are thoroughly aroused ; and [ hope, sir, they will maintain the same interest throughout. I beg to offer tho following amendment : — *' That inasmuch as the statement now offered by the Cliurch Wardens involves intricate matters of accounts, and inasmuch ns the said statement conflicts with the previous financial statements of the affairs of the Cathedral, that this meeting do adjourn for one month, in order that the accounts may be submitted to an account- ant who .shall bo instructed to report thereon at the said adjourned meeting." Mr. Joseph N. Hall .sccondccl the amendment, and said it was exceedingly painful to him to hear of these di.ssensions. It was not creditable that dissensions should exist to the extent that one of the clergymen should have to go. It would be a shame and a dis- grace to this Cathedral to let one of them go under such circum- stances. With the Bishop he entirely agreed, that if it was possible for the matter to bo compromised it should be done. If they were too miserably poor to pay their ministers, let them tell them that they could give them JGSOO a year, and he believed they would be willing to take it. The matter before them was one of finance, and required to be carefully considered. He, for one, was not satisfied with the statement of their financial condition, and he wished the accounts submitted to an accountant, so that they might know, precisely, how they stood financially. Then, if they found they could not pay the Canons £500 a year, pay them £300 and keep them both. He had the greatest respect for both the iji 23 Canons, and he bclicvod that if there was any difiSculty between them, the good sense of both of them would lead to a settlement without any trouble. lie bcpigcd of Mr. Huntington not to press this matter, but give them some little time to think the matter over, and not come to a decision in liaste. •Mr. Macrae. — Before this nniendmcnt is put, I wish to say a few words. Wo have an important question brouirlit before tliis meeting to-day, and I see an evident intention to burk the really vital question that is before this House. I may cull it a House, because we arc a largo body. Mr. Betiiune. — Cull it a Vestry ; we are a Vestry, and notliing else. Mr. Macrae. — Anything you like, Mr. Bethunc. But what I want is to meet the main question before us boldly upon its merits- We have an attempt niadelicrc to make the question simply one of figures. My friend, Mr. Rai , ■ , lias tried to talk about allaying party feeling; but I would li:.o to know what has done more to raise party feeling than some articles abusive of Dr. Balch which have appeared in the Evening Tchgmplt, newspaper, and which report says were written by Mr. Ramsay. In that case, his advice to allay party feeling comes with a very bad grace. Dr. Balch has been attacked in the most unhandsome manner in the columns of that newspaper, of which Mr. Ramsay is reputed to have in a groat measure the control ; — and not only that, but squibs and carica- tures in satirical papers against tlie clergy and Dr. Balch in parti- cular have been hawked about the streets. As to party feeling, there is no use in concealing the fact — there are two parties in this Cathedral. (Oh! oh !) Oh ! as much as you like, there are two parties; and if one man has made himself a partizan more than another, that man was Canon Loosemore, at the last Synod. There is not the shadow of a doubt that Mr. Loosemore was, on that occasion, at the head of the High Church party. On several occasions he has denied it, but his acts show it. In almost every instance, at the Synod, Mr. Loosemore voted against the views of the majority of his parishioners, and in opposition to the represen- tatives sent by his congregation. Subsequently, when it was neces sary to protect the property of the Church by granting certain 24 >/^- i powers to the Dean, Mr. Loosemorc worked against it, and against the majority of his congregation. I am very sorry to have had to come to this conclusion, because I think that at one time a stronger friend of Mr. Loosemorc did not exist in the congregation than myself I consider Mr. Loosemnro a perfect gentleman ; his private character I esteem; but, as members of the Church of England, we have a right to express our opinions with regard to any clianges that may be attempted in the Catlicdral service. I leave it to those who arc in the liabit of attending the Cathedral to say wliat clianges have been attempted. Pcrliaps my friend, Mr. Ilamsay, has not been a very frcfjuent attendant — (cheers and laughter) — having, I liclicve, nnly qualified himself to vote Iiere to-day by having a pevr transferred to his name as recently as last Thursday. Now, there is no use shirking the question. There nrr two parties in the Cathedral — there is tlie High Church party and the Evan- gelical party, and I for my part, as siding with the latter, oliject to any change in the mode of service from what we were accustomed to in the old Cathedral. A number of changes have already crept in. I, for one, object to these changes, on principle. Mr. Loosemorc 1 believe to be a very estimable man ; but a Ca- tholic priest may be a very estimable man, yet that would be no reason why we sliould have lilm to perform the services in our Cathedral. Of course, if tlu; majority in tlie Cathedral inclin "'> High Church services, to Ritualism, let them carry the day. But as long as I am there, I shall object to the Ritualistic tendencies of Mr. Loosemorc. My friend, Mr. Ramsay, has challenged us ; now I challenge liir.i to point out — after his frequent attendance at the Cathedral — one single act of Dr. Balch, to prove that he is party man. Let us take what the Dean says. The Dean, liimsclf, wishes to dismiss .^Ir. Loosemcre. What prevented him? A miserable piece of paper or pretended agreement to which the Church Wardens never were party. If you look at the Celwich Temporalities Act you will find that the corporation of the Cathedral consists of the Rector and the Church Wardens. They are the only parties that can sue and be sued. I know that iTwyers may differ in opinion as to tlie validity of this agreement, and hold strong opinions on both sides. But we have such emi- 25 ncnt men as Judge Aylwin and Mr. Carter holuing the view that this so called agreement is not binding on the congregation, and that it is unnecessary to trouble the Bishop at all with this matter. The corporation has the power to retain Dr. Bulch as assistant minister in the Cathedral, and I feel satisfied that the '^Dean will adopt that course. Mr. Betiittnr. — I amvc-; sorry to sec this discussion take the spirit manifested by Mr, Macrae. Perhaps he has been provoked to it by what has been said by Mr. Ramsay; but if we allow that kind of discussion to go on we sliall drift into mere personalities. As I view the motion that is proposed by Mr. Huntington, it is a very simple one — one which in one way invited such personal dis- cusf^ion IS we have had to-day. IP T thouglit for one moment that cither Canon Loosemore or Canon Balch was upon his trial hero I cortainly should have nothing to do with this meeting, for tlic simple reason that there would be no possible way by which wc could try the merits or demerits of either of these two gentlemen. As I understand the question, 'A is one of very great simplicity. It simply amounts to this. We aro in a state of insolvency, or ratlier quasi insolvency. In order to put ourselves in such a position that we can meet, what we have not been doing for some time, the demands upon us, the officers of the Church say we must make a change; wo cannot afford to keep two first-class clergymen in the Cathedral at 82,0ll0 a year ; not only that, but we must reduce ^he Dean's salary by ^200, and if we retain only one of these fh'st class clergymen his salary nuist be reduced by 8400 a year, and have a young man at a moderate salary of £150 or £200 a year. Tliis is the financial statement presented to us here, with the recommendation on the part of the Committee tliat one of these superior clergymen should be removed and the other retained. Of course we must make a distinction, and in doing so we cannot help being invidious ; we must select one ; wc must say to the Kector which of these two gentlemen we tliink in our judgment is preferable, and in doing so we make no accusation against cither of them. I repeat that if for one moment I thought that the .slightest reflection was to be cast upon the conduct of cither of these two gentlemen certainly I would not be here to- 26 n day. Bat I understand we are here simply to decide, under the very trying circumstances in which we are placed, which of the two gentlemen we ou^^ht to retain. I have no hesitation, personally, in saying this, hut I say it with very groat pain, because the consequences must be I must lose one of two friends in the Cathedral. -My friendship for Canon Loosemore is certainly equal to that for Canon Balch, and if you come to the question of Church polilics, I rather think the opinions of my friend Mr. Macrae don't coincide with my own. I shouM be inclined to support Canon Loosemore in all that he has done in the Cathedral. I don't think he has done anything in tlie Cathedral to call forth the slightest censure. (Hear, hear.) I may say on that point that he is not in the slightest degree responsible for the performance of the services. Tlie whole responsibility rests with the Rector, and he has shoulders broad enougli to bear the whole of that responsi- bility. (Hear, hear.) At the same time I say we have to make a distinction, and in making that distinction I simply look at what, under the circumstances, I conclude to be for our good and for the benefit of the Cathedral, (cheers), and not only for the benefit of the Cathedral, but for the benefit of the diocese at large. It is proposed by Mr. Huntington that we should retain the ser- vices of Dr. Balch. In relation to his appointment, I, perhaps, may be permitted to say a word or two, having a good deal of per- sonal knowledge on that subject. My learned friend, Mr. Bamsay, referred to the way in which jMr. Loosemore came here. I am sorry a subject of that kind should have been mentioned here, because we don't want to deal in personalities. But I may tell this meeting, on the otlur hand, the circumstances under which Canon Balch was brought here. My father, in consequence of my mother's death, was not in a position to act at that time, and all the correspondence was conducted by our late Meti'opolitan. I have seen and read a letter written by the late Metropolitan to Dr- Balch, in October, 1SG5, which pointed in the direction of his coming hero, long before any of the congregation thought of bring- ing him here. That letter was in answer to a letter of Canon Balch, in which he sought the advice of the late Metropolitan upou a very impo''tant matter. He had been invited to allow 27 himself to be elected Bishop of Nebraska. He consulted our late Metropolitan on the subject; and in that letter, to which I just referred, the Metropolitan endeavoured to dissuade him from any such course, and told him plainly that there was a place for him nearer his own home where he would be more useful ; told him, in fact, in plain terms, that if he could ho would bring him here. (Cheers.) The Dean being unable to do anything at that time, the whole matter was left in the hands of the Bishop, who pressed upon Dr. Balch to accept the call from the congregation. He cer- tainly looked upon him as a most valuable man. And what has been the result? We know what has been the result in our own con- gregation, and I need not refer to it particularly. But not only has he been extremely useful to us in that respect, but he has been a right arm to us in the diocese. (Cheers.) As the Secretary of our Synod, he has stimulated our people in the cause of missions in a way that never was hoard of in this country before. (Cheers.) As an instance, I may cite my own case and I suppose others have had similar experience. I was in the habit, for many years, of sub- ;:cribing $5 a year, and thought it was ample. I was never told by anybody, no one was ever zealous enough to tell me, that it was a paltry amount, and no sum to be subscribed for such a purpose- What was the consequence ? Remember, if we drive Canon Balch out of the parish we drive him out of the country. What was the result of his scheme? Wlicn I came to look at it I found I must oub.seribo 840 instead of 85; and that is merely one of a grea^ number of instances. I do trust in a matter of this kind that we will sink all otFensive personalities. No one wants to reflect upon Canon Loosemore. If I thoudit that what I was doin"' here was going to reflect in the slightest degree upon his character I would abstain from attending this meeting, or I would vote the other way. But we are simply in a financial difficulty. I see no reason for postponing this question ; we can never get so good a meeting again. (Hear, hear.) I entertain no suspicion of tlie correctness of the financial statement. It has been prepared in the most care- ful manner by the Church Wardens and a Select Vestry, composed, if I am not mistaken, of at least fifteen pansons, of whom a Com- mittee have carefully examined the wliole matter, and the Select 28 Vestry itself has ratified and confirmcl their reports in all respects. I see no good in a postponement of the discussion on this matter. As I said before, the whole matter resolves itself into making a distinction between the two Canons. It is to be deeply regretted that we are in i^uch a position, and no one can feel it more decplv than I do. If the eCfect of my vote is to lose Canon Looseuiore I exceedingly regret it, but I have a duty to perform, and I sliall do it openly and frankly. (Loud cheers.) Mr. Henry Thomas. — It is said the report does not reflect upon Canon Looscmorc ; but the report was read before Mr. Bethune came into the room, and therefore lie docs not know its contents. Mr. Cetiiune. — I was speaking of the resolution. Mr. Tiio.MAS. — The resolution sanctions the report, and the report censures Canon Loosemore. Mr. Betiiune. — I beg to be allowed to make an explanation. I understand that Mr. Huntington's motion simply thanks the Church Wardens and the Select Vestry for what they have done. The report says nothing about anybody in the way of rocommend- inir his removal, does it ? Mr. R.AMSAY. — I beg you pardon, it docs. Mr. Huntington — It was particularly desired from my point of view to express no opinion upon the points raised by the Church Wardens. I, therefore, in this resolution, propose simply to thank them ; but do not endorse what they say about Mr. Loosemore or anybody else. We simply thank them for their services, and take up the financial aspect of the question. Mr. IIamsay. — We are now speaking on an amendment pro- posed by 3Ir. Kerry, and in seconding that amend 'nent I should like to say a word or two. The CnAiR:MAN. — Mr. Hall has already seconded it. Mr. Ramsay. — Well, then, I will speak to it, especially as I have been made the particular butt of Mr. Macrae's satire; though perliaps no remarks from me are called for on that point, seeing that Mr. Macrae has been suffioiently rebuked by tlie Chancellor. But I would say that we came here not to declare ourselves Ritualists or Evangelicals, but to discuss a practical (juestion. ^ I think any 29 person who wishes the Church well sliould avoid this spirit, because if we arc going to range ourselves in two camps, one of which shall be Ritualists and the other Evangelicals, we will never get out of our financial difficulties, but will be more likely to get deeper into trouble. So, if Mr. Macrae is so constant an attendant at church, as he wishes by comparison to make himself appear to be, he is doing the Church he professes to wish well a very bad service indeed. I don't wish to make this matter personal, but it has been alleged that it is only within a few days I have had a seat in the Cathedral. If he looks back he will find I was a pevr- lioldcr in the Cathedral before. I do not like to talk of what I liave done for the Cathedral — in fact I have done very little for it — but [ was a contributor towards the building of it, and I don't think it altogether out of place in me to speak on this financial matter. I have been also accused of an attack upon Canon Balch. It turns out that Mr. Looscmore is a Ilitualist, and that though he m:.y bo a very good man, so may a Roman Catholic priest, or in other words that Mr. Looscmore and a Catholic priest arc very much the same. I think Mr. Looscmore's position in the church has been fully vindicated by the Cliancellor, when he told us that all thtit had been done in the Cathedral had the full and liearty concurrence of the Dean. I have no intention of attacking Canon Balch ; I am not here with the intention of attacking anybody at all. We came to see riiiht and justice done in the premises. I did not really know what was to be done here ; that was all kept care- fully secret. I have, therefore, not come to attack any body, but merely to esamine these accounts, and the amendment now before the chair is that time be given to investigate them. "With regard to this paper, Mr. Macrae says it is a mere piece of paper. But a contract is a piece of paper. He tells us it was an unwarrantable act on the part of the Dean to write it. We had the Bishop's testimony called in question, and now we have got the Dean's tes- timony (juestioned. Mr. Macrae. — I did not call the Dean's testimony in question. Tlie corporation of Christ Church Cathedral is as Mr. Ramsay knows, or, as a Lawyer he ought to know, comprised of the Rector and the Church Wardens. Now, I say this document was 30 not signed by the Churcli "Wardens and was never ratified by thom^ and therefore is not binding on the congregation. 3Ir. Ramsay. — All I say is we have got the Dean's authority. The Dean tells us one thing and Mr. Macrae another. Mr. Macrae. — No, I don't. The Chairman remarked that the Church "Wardens had sanctioned the general terms of the agreement, but were not aware of the particulars. Mr. IIamsat. — It was very well understood. The Dean says it was a bargain on behalf of the Church Wardens. I believe what the Dean did was not unauthorized at the time. I believe his letter rather than the recollection of the Church "Wardens three or four years afterwards. I do not believe the Dean wrote this letter without perfectly knowing what he was doing, and that he was not exceeding his powers. I merely make these observations in answer to the remarks of Mr. Macrae, and will now say a word or two with regard to the subject of the amendment. "What we ask in this amendment is that we shall be allowed a month's time to see whether it is really necessary to do what Mr. Bethune admits he is most reluctant to do. From the statement made by Mr. Simpson it appears that it is owing to some extraordinary expenses that we are now in difficulty. If so, if these expenses will not have to be met yearly, the difficulty can surely be got over. The amount is a block sum, and we can decide whether we can face it or not. If we are 811,000 in debt, it is not by reducing one salary a few hundred dollars, and cutting the Dean's salary down by §200 that it will be mot. Mr. Thomas Simpson. — "We will save $2,000 a year by the proposed reductions. Mr. Ramsay. — Even at that rate it will take six years to clear off the debt. We learn now for the first time that there was a miscalculation with regard to the subscriptions to pay off the debt which existed some years ago upon the Cathedral. But you ought not to export to pay off this amount of debt out of ordinary ■ '\i Will any body say that two first-cla.ss clergymen are too ;• .1 ' ■ ':> Cathedral of Montreal ? We are told that the >... ; •''. . . t oO. The amendment was therefore declared lost. Mr. S. E. Dawson, moved anotlier amendment : — Inasmuch as by the statement ol' the Church Wardens, it appears that the funds of the Cathedral are insufficient to con- tinue the stipends heretofore paid to the two assistant Ministers, that the sum available for their remuneration (to wit S-,400) be be equally divided between tliem. Lost by 51 votes au'ainst !J3. Mr. JoEL Baker seconded tlie amendment. He siiid the posi- tion in which they were placed was a most painful one ; and if there was any possibility of their getting over the question without following the painful course marked out by Mr. Huntington's motions, he would be very glad to have that course pointed out and to follow it. He believed the difficulties had been magnified. He had been a pretty constant attendant at the Cathedral, and he had never heard of any serious difficulty till within the last few weeks. Personally he had very great regard lor both these gentlemen ; they were both personal friends of his. He had always been an admirer of the llev. Dr. Balch, for liis eloquence, and for what he had done for the Church he would never cease to feel grateful. Mr. Ramsay had stated very truly tliat if it were decided that the difficulty must be got over .some way would be found to do so. Mr. Kerry had made a statement, which surprised him very much — that the uncollected pew rents liad been taken off tlie liabilities, reducing thereby that amount, and tlicn added again as a source of coming revenue. I attach no blame to any of the Church 38 Wardens ; I don't believe for one moment that they would be guilty of making an intentional mis-statement in order to show that they were in a position to take on Dr. Balch as a permanent assistant in the Cathedral. But it is certainly an extraordinary thing, and shows a degree of looseness scarcely credible. For this reason, I would have been very glad had a months time been given in order that we might have seen if we could afford to keep both the clergymen. For my own part, when I see Trinity Church in a poor part of the city, by no means so wealthy as ours, supporting two first class men ; and St. George's Church also, supporting two first-class men, 1 say that for this Cathedral congregation, sup- posed to ho pir ixcellcna' the congregation of our Church in the city, the Church in which daily services are held, to come down to one clergyman, would be a shame and a disgrace. Mr. Simpson. — The report recommends two. ■ Mr. Baker. — But not two first-class men, such as they have both at Trinity and St. George's. He believed that with the aid of the Bishop, and the advice of mutual friends, these difficulties might be got over and great scandal avoided. In order, therefore, that an opportunity might bo afforded for this, he had great pleasure in seconding the amendment. As he understood the report, it showed that they had at least £G00 for stipends, and he believed that the clergymen would both be willing to receive smaller salaries for a time. He, therefore, trusted the amendment would carry, and he believed if it did the difficulties could be amicably settled, and they would be saved the disgrace of public scandal, Mr. Tiios. Simpson explained how the erior that had been pointed out arose. We had most unfortunately an inebriate vestry clerk, and I could not get a statement of the accounts from him until within a few minutes of the meeting. The accounts had, ther-ifore, to be made up hastily, and unintentionally 81,498 was credited to assets, t' :gh it had before been calculated as a set off r.gainst liabilities. Then with reference to the reflections cast upon the Church Wardens by Mr. Hall, who very foolishly seconded the amendment. I repeat the word foolishly (order, order) for the very accounts to which he takes exception were audited by himself. 39 been cstry him had, 8 was a set cast onded or the mself- (Cheers and laughter). The documents will speak for themselves. In bringing these accusations against the Church Wardens these g2ntlenien are speaking of what they really know very little about. Mr. Baker. — In justice to myself, I beg to be alLwed to dis- claim any idea of charging the Ciiurch Wardens with intentional misrepresentation. The amendment was then put by the Chairman, and lost ; for, 36 ; against, 51. Mr. Kamsay rose to move another amendment, ooe which he thought would commend itself to the good judgment of the whole meeting, and which cast no reflection upon either of the assistant ministers. lie thought that Mr. Bcthunc in particular would have to vote for it in preference to Mr. Huntington's resolution, because it exactly covered the ground of his remarks. IMr. Hun- tington's motion did cast a reflection upon Mr. Loosemore, and in addition they had his own interpretation of the motion which showed that the dissensions in the Church was the question, and that he considered the finances a paltry matter. His amendment was that it be resolved by this meeting that both of the Canons be retained at their present stipends. He had been urged to make this amendment by one or two gentlemen on the other sidcr and he hoped it would be carried unanimously. Mr. Sanborn seconded the amendment. He believed that the money difficulty was a very paltry affair, and could bo easily got over if the people would only put their hands in their pockets. (Laughter). He was very sorry that the meeting had departed from the only question that was before them — the financial ques- tion — and brought up a personal matter. He was sure that no one present had ever heard either of the assistant clergy- men make any complaints the one of the other. That being the case he took it for granted that they themselves thought the difficulties could be got over in time. Seeing the mistakes that had been in the reports in past years, it should not be required of them to take this report of the finances as correct without any examination. Mr. Tiios. Simpson. — You yourself were one of the auditors. Mr. Sanborn said he would explain that. All they had to 40 examine was the receipts and expenditures, and see iftheamounti in the accounts correspond with the amounts in the books. Bu* it was no part of their duty to see whether the estimates which the Church Wardens submitted were correct. Each year there was about the same surplus in the estimates and the same deficiency in the actual revenue, and so it went on, till now they were told that the debt was $11,000, and that they must discharge one of the clergymen. Were they going to starve tlieir souls to save thei^' pockets ? Of course, if they were extravagant, they should do as any private individual would do under similar circumstances, reduce their expenses, and perhaps discharge some of their ser vants. But he did not admit that tlicy were extravagant, or that the staff of the Cathedral was too large, or the salaries too high. He did not admit that they were extravagant either as to numbers or as to expenses, or extravagant as to talent. (Loud laughter.) What he meant, of course, was that the Cathedral ought to have men of the talents of those they now had — that is, first-class men. He would, therefore, cheerfully second the amendment, and he thought if it was carried they would find means hereafter to get over their diflSculties. The amendment was then put. Thirty gentlemen voted for it, and it was declared lost, withcut taking the names of the nays. iMr. Ramsay rose, amid loud cries of " motion," to move that this Vestry do now adjourn. (No, no.) Mr. Huntington would like to know what was the object of the adjournment. He considered it was the same that was attemp- ted by the former amendment. The motion to adjourn was put and lost. Col. Martindale. — I would like to say a few words before the resolution is put. I came to this room perfectly unprejudiced. I have not been very long connected with the Cathedral, and did not know much of what was going on. I did not really know before I came here to-day what the issue really was. That issue is this, if I understand it right now : That this Vestry by adopt- ing the resolution of Mr. Huntington practically recommend, as the advice of the congregation of Christ Church Cathedral, the Dean to remove Canon Loosemore. That is included in the recommendation to retain Dr. Balchhere. Whether that be right or wrong, I do not say ; but two things appear to me in the course of this discussion. One is that there certainly were discrepancies in the accounts which should be cleared up before the Vestry passed so serious a resolution as to advise the Dean to remove a clersyman in order that they might make the accounts balance. The second point is that it appears to mo to be a matter of intense gravity to recommend to the Dean to dispense with the services of a clergyman on the ground of an alleged irrcconcileable difficulty in the Church ; and, I think, in view of that fact it was a most moderate proposal to make to the Vestry that we should adjourn for one month, in order that we might seriously consider, with all solemnity — for it is a solemn matter — what steps to take; in order that we might see, first, if there was any possibility that these unhappy diSerences might be made up — and I have heard nothing to lead me to think that they could not be made up ; — and secondly, if it is a money question, to see if in a city of the enormous wealth of Montreal sufficient money could not be raised to meet all our wants. It appeared to me, therefore, that the pro- posal to adjourn for one mouth was .so reasonable that it decided me to vote for it, and must equally decide me now to vote against the resolution. (Cheers). Mr. Huntington. — I desire to say one or two words in expla- nation. I should be very sorry to have Col. Martindale under the impression that the expression I used in the heat of debate applied to himself. I regrec that I used the expression, but what I meant was that gentlemen long connected with the Cathedral, who sit there Sunday after Sunday, and yet deny that there are any difficulties, must be very simple gentlemen. I did not intend to apply the remark to gentlemen who, like our friend, Col. Martin- dale, have recently become connected with the Cathedral, and who must ftel a degree of disgust at the situation. One word with respect to Mr. Eamsay's attempt to place me in antagonism to my friend, the Chancellor. The Chancellor stated one difficulty — the financial difficulty ; I stated another difficulty, and I was surprised to find that gentlemen who have long attended the Cathedral had never heard of this difficulty. I begin to think it was something 'i^ 42 ttat had only been ■whispered to my ears (laughter), if it is true, as Mr. Mackenzie tells us, that there is no difficulty — Mr. Mackenzie. — I beg your pardon. Mr. Huntington. — I felt sure that Mr. Mackenzie would think his statement sounded bad when I came to repeat it. And I say it is not fair for gentlemen to come here and dispute a fact which is so well known. It would be most unjust, ungentlemanly, unchristian in me to rise here and make assertions of this kind that were not true ; and these things being true, it is not creditable for gentlemen to deny them, or refuse to hoar them spoken of. I carefully abstained from making any reference which would lead you to know why I preferred Dr. Balch to Mr. Looscmore. We are in no way responsible for the disagreeable issue that has been forced upon us. I believe the Church Wardens have been unfairly attacked here by gentlemen who know nothing about figures, and who have made out no case whatever. I believe, even my friend who spoke last, went too far in hinting that the figures submitted by the Church Wardens were open to suspicion. Nothing of that kind has been proved, and these general accusations are unjust. While the financial question is important, I would be unjust to myself if I allowed this discussion to close without stating to the meeting that one of the motives we had was to stay dissensions. So fiir I think we may congratulate ourselves upon the tone of the discussion. It was whispered to me before I came here that we were going to have a terrible meeting. Mr. So-and-so was going to be here. (Laughter.) Well, So-and-so has been here (renewed laughter), and has shewn himself to be a good christian ; and I hope we will leave here feeling that, however we may have differed as to the means, we have all had^the good of the Church in view, and have got on very well indeed. I repeat again that the chief motive that induced me to come here was because I wanted to see those unhappy dissensions removed, and that the diflliculties of the past might not extend to still greater difficulties in the future. I thank you all, gentlemen, for the attention with which you have listened to me ; and I feel that we have got through with our busi- ness without any great exhibition of combustibility. (Cheers). Mr. Kerry wished to offer a word of explanation. I had no intention of bringing a charge against the present Church Wardens. I did not raise any doubt as to the correctness of the statements of the actual expenditure of any one year, for which thy Auditors had all the vouchers, but I objected, and with great reason, to the repeated over-estimates of the revenue for the following years. There is not a single year that the Church Wardens did not over- estimate the revenue for the next year by from 81000 to 81500. Mr. Huntington's resolution was then put, and the yeas and nays being called, the resolution was carried on the following vote : For the motion, 56 ; against, 2ft. A vote of thanks was then tendered to the Chairman for the ability and impartiality with wliich he had presided, and the meet- ing adjourned. 44 LIABILITIES, NOVEMBEE, 1869. John Date Evans Bros Thos. Musson John Lovell G. W. Reed S. K. Warren & Co Gault Bros. & Co Henry Grant W. R. Tabb Henry Prince Dawson Bros Church Home, W. Edmonstono Corporation Corporation Interest on Arrears T. B. Anderson, amount loaned by him from the Building Fund to pay special street assess Penny, Wilson le (in consequence of our success in the Courts l^elow) that the Privy Council would limit the cost to those in the Privy Council. This they often do under like circumstances. I have Ijcen unable to ascertain the names of the sureties, on the appeal to the (Queen's Bench here and to the Privy Council, but I know they are (juite sufficient. Of course the Bonds are for costs only, as Wardlo was the plaintiff, and his action was simply dismissed on our plea of compensation. The $1,500, you understand, represent costs over and above those that are taxable, and the amount we may thus pay will be a dead loss, whether wo win or lose. Yours truly, STRACHAN BETIIUNE. ESTIMATE OF WOKK TO BE DONE IN THE CHRIST CEURCH CATHEDRAL. 5 Spaces of the stained glass window in chancel to have winter sashes $80. 00 6 Small stained glass windows on each side of chancel to have winter sashes 50 . 00 2 Valleys of Roof to be covered with No. 26 galvanized iron and slates repaired 40 . 00 Taking down three arches and rebuilding them 150.00 Repairing plaster and pointing up cracks 60.00 Painting, plastering, around the walls of building, from top line of pews to the underside of window sill 160.00 $540.00 Showing that the work will be five hundred and forty dollars. But, at the same time would call attention to the repairs required externally, and would recommend that a mason be employed by the day as the best way of having the work well done and as economically as possible. JOHN JAMES BROWNE, Architect. t '. i ' i 1 1 1 1 ' 11 '* 7 ' ■■■MM 49 f ./ 1 certify that the foregoing is a correct verbatim report of the proceedings and debate at the General Vestry Meeting of the Congregation of Christ Church Cathedral, held on the 6th Decem- ber last, transcribed froui short hand notes taken by me on that occasion; S. Hutchinson, Phonographic Reporter Daily News. 9371if 'im report of the Meeting of the n the 6th Dccem- en by me on that ON, er Daily News.