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SPEAKER — I n-onl,l \villin-ly have avoitlcd any di-icMission of the uiiUtcr whicli nowocctiiiios the Mitontion oftliis House. I would h.ivo .•ivoi.lrd it, heo-iuse everytliing connootod wiih recent events in M.initotM has lieen tn mo of so iv.infula nLiinre tliat now that wo liavo Ik ttev and I lijiiiter p'-.)- spr>-ts. r would willingly iiavc a lloveu t lie wl:'il(> nia'tei- to havo i(Mn;iined uniUK'hed. Still, I find in my n*wly undei taken duti'S tliat one's pei'.sonal rcf'ings must not al- ways he consulted, lut that the interests of the pe. pie he represents, and of the Coinitry at large must he considered first, anfl the ohservations of the hon. gentle- man from North Hastings, are such as call from mc. as one ofthe Rejiresentatives from Manitoha. all the infoiniation I possess on die, and the iirinci]ial point wliicli lie has aildiiced, namely ihe coriipliciiy of the^ Hudson Bay Co., or rather ot a p.iit:on of their otlic, is with the unhappy Kelielljon of last winter. I am 'Wfiri' Mr. Spe.aker thr-t the views whicli ] .hall advance in regard to the origin of Rod River dilh- culty, and the siihstance of the d'uaiments which I sh.all read in sujiport of these vit>w-, mjy difler materially from thoM' gener.ally entertaine.l in some jj.arts of this iJomitiioii, yet [ advance them with the full belief that they aie concurred in. and in deed, openly expressed I y nine tenths of that portion of the people of Manitoha, unconnected with the lieladlion itself, or with the I Unison's Bay ('om])any. Itmight. at first sight. Sir, appear str.'mgo that a Corporation who liad lately .sum nderul tlieir rights to tlie Xorth WestTerritorv, wlio had received what might he considered a fair compeiis.ation for that surrender, .and who moreover, still retained a very con- si lerahle landed hiterest in that Territory, c.uld have any possihlo reason for de.siring anything hut the pro«],erity. the advance- ment, and the jivaco of the country. In- ■■eed it Was gei erallyatlv.mce'l as a reason for .allowing them to retiin one-twentieth of the laml, that this concession would hind their interests to ours, aiiit he the means of allaying any possihle .source >.f discontent. But. sir, to j r >perly understand the heaimg of this (juestion, it is neces sary for the hon. memhers of this flouse, to he.ar in mind that there are two ele- ments in the conii)Osition of the Hudson Bay (.'omiiany, namely : The Stockholders of that corporation, ana its man iging part- ners hi the lountry. So long as the Com- pany continod its attention to the collec- tion of furs — so long tliese elements were in .accord, and the immense protit.s, which in f. rmer times were made, were fairly divided hetween the Stockhold.'rs, who liad advanced the nioui y necess.ary to carry on the husines.s, and those Vho had in the country, the care, the danger, and the lahor of the trade. Hence it was that while the Stockholder who a.ssurua territorial, as well us trading lights, would sometimes admit, that the country inu fitted to he something fietter tlian a pre- serve- for fur hearing animals, l/uit conces- sion was rarely, if ever, made hy one of the inland oflicers, whose profit w.a.s derived N. ssoK'ly t'loin tli«> I'ur trade. iiiiiiiit,eii, il' it wa.s not eiitiiely ignored liy llio -to ;kli)ldoi's. It will l.e readily sc. •11, tlioii, Mr Sj.eikor til It lliere was in siioli a union of diverge interests, the eleui;'iits ot'di?coril, and this heoiint'appirent as so in as tlie St i.khol- deis (■ iii^ iited 1 1 entertain a proiio^iiion lor the jiuruliise of tiieir territorid rigliis liy tills c.iiintry. While the sioekholdeis could see in the I'lrge sutu to lie jnid lor rights which were then in dispute, an ample cornpnsttiin lor tlie gridual but inevita'le de,->truetioii of the fur lried, an i when ;he hingaiii hi I lieen e,oncludi-d,lie lelt thilCa- nad.i had a'coinpli~he I his ruin hy the jjur- chase -he li id niid.», and that the stick liol lers had unt'arly dealt with hiin iri re- (ii-ing him a jiorti in of tli cinipeii-a- lion they tliem-elves b^d received. M>'n so circumstance I, .-ir, aie usually ready lor I'asli and even violent action, and wi' find the fust evidence of this a the annual meeting of the olicers »t Norway 11 lUsc. huld a .short time a 'ter tlr conclusion of the negotiation-, and a i'evf lujutli^ liofore tie emeute at Red lliver. I'hc following description which I found in one of the respeoUibie .journals of the Dominion will, it its evidence m ly e trust-d, show the stale of feeling which prevailed : — " Olio of llio causes of cllssulislani Ion itinoiust, the llLiil.-oii Jla.v t'oinpaiiv's nillrlals In ili,' Nor.'li \Vi'-i 1> this; til',. ,,ii.v 111 c lai' XT^"!, I'i'l to ti ' piiil ilii' i'oinii:',ny 'iv tlif Caici'li.-in linv- eni'iieiii, wai Ik- iiix-kctfil by |.lin HiiKUsli slutivhoMi'i's, an.l lliai Mot one ooui'.nr oi' It WiU over hp M'cn liy tlKMrail.M's in iliiscDuiiti-.v. N' > dOiliittaev arc piTl'oi'tl.v lisrlit in tiiis view; when llio K.iijii.-ili -Uan;holJ(;i's i;i;l huLl iil'lnc liujlio' (lic.v will vcr.v llkcl.v lioliion to It. tint the lr!i:liM"s ol till' Nor' \V'i'-t pi-()|i(i>:pi| 11 >»,inii' allMI'! wiiiitj ui;o wiiicli, ii'i'.in'ii'l oai, woui.l mo e tliaii tiuil;i.' u|i ;.i lIu'Mi 111.' sliur • oi' ilu- .£•> ii',')i'l, whicn, lli"y say, tin- l^iijjIMli shiri-tiohiiM's in- l;<'uil roliDiii'.; tlicni ol'. At. a iiict^ilii;; of ilii> C.'...i.ieil oi' ll-i]) jri'- Ij.iiiii— l.lio I) ).iy wiiicli I'.o.i- tm!s llic ''()m;iany"- aitalrs la tli'.' t"ri-ilor.\-, a Motion was siiliniitti' 1 l).v on.> of .hH Ctili'l' I'ltclois, pioini-iiin l.ljat llu'.v should si'crou; lor til il- -p. ■•lain-. ;.n.i lii-n"llt, I'ln-s to tlic v.iluc ii'' .£ri,!riaiol,<»<|iyi ic Imninv'-t t'.icf u'tors a'l.ltlio-c lnli)ri'st,i.';l, .in? I as ^oon as it stionld lio cl"arly sii .iw n tli.it 111..' iOa^lish .-liuivliolilia's inu'iijc'l go'i'.i'ins; HO t.lio -s hole of tin' ('aiincli-in parclia-r moii('.v. .\ leiiifiliv .-111(1 iiniiiiiicd illscnssloa took pla^jo on 'his e';i"i"Uii;;l.vdisliiini'si |impo-i- tion, 'il'lia- wliicn Oil' motion hciii;; put, il was lost simply hy the oa-tlng vote of the rhalrmiin." Now, Sir, tlii.s iiccount miy or may not be exactly correct, but it .i.i true that a widespread and deep disiL'ection prevailed and the most violent language and even threats were used towards this Domiuiou of Canada. ilr. Speaker, it his lieen argued thit we had reljolliou at Kcd lUver lecaiue we did not lirst consult the feelings ami ui-l.cs of ill" people of that region Well, 1 can oidy .siy tint yi '1 will rarely heir lint ex.- ploiittonaticmpied.it R -d Kiver. Whv, .sir, I have inyself seen >.n |ietitions pnying for anne.'vition to i.'.inidi uiiny (^f the n anil's ot those who were foremost in en- di'iivoming to pievi-nt III t tini ii. and if it liad I'een lliat this wa- really the rause wo woulcl 1 think, liivr- foiiii I all classes Join- ing in it. instead of il-" being C'lnliiied to that p 'ition of the popiilition wlio had the le.ist [iroperiy at .-tike and t') the fiieiida .ind sympatlii/,--rs of th" llud.-on P>ay Cu'.i- p.iuy. Now, if \v as-iiiiic liial the oliii^ers of the Hudson Bay Coinpiiy at Fort (iarry wore an.xious, or eviMi willing, that ("uiada sli')ul I posse-s tlie North We-t Teriitoiy we find it utti'lly iiupossibh' tocxjilain the f ict of their criminal in icti.m, their advice to Oovernor McL) lugiil to leive the lerri tory. their surrender of their Fort, their advice to the people to Join the I'rovii-ion il ( iovernineiit of Pres deiu Jvi l. Hut .f we a.ssume their complicity in the mitl.-i-, wo can readily und -rstiiid tliu picvaleut be- lief .imoii:^ the loyal people, both English and French, of M.mito'.i.i that the ili.s itl'ec- tion and diss itisiaeton of the Hudson liay L'omp my s oiiiceis, the tlisappoiiitmeat of Governor Mtc'L\vi-h .at noi lieing appoint- ed (lovernor, caused them to hope tint with Kiel as their tool and agent they could keep out the Go, i nor, disgust Canad.i with h.-r bargain, and keep the country for some years long- i r, .1 preserve for fur be '.ring animals with the consentient exteii-ioii of the liir trilling pi'oiiis. That they piiipo-e.l taking steps whiiih would le id to ru >b' ry, and end ill murder, I .im 'iot in-epamd to stile, but the geud'al belief is, iliat I WU.Il ' i IVO'll K' .\L'-D IU4 dl iU.-U" I iMCiC 1 and with a Hudson iliv ■ o., olfioer .:t the he id of a Pr vi'iiouil Goveiiiiuvnt they Could have forceil (Jan.uli into an arr.uiije- nient more suita>>le to themselves, even if les.s proiitible to the sharoholiiers. irowev< r, this iii ly be. I have not risen to lu ika st.ilemauts,on lU) own rl■^ponsi ility. ! 1 will read to the House a number of aili I d kvils bearing on the matter, and aliliough I 1 could 8,iy much from my own knowledge I that is relative and corroborative, yei I .shall refr.iin, and leave hon. gonlleinen to what opinion they deem lit lioni the evid- enc.' 1 present. .\s for myself I slull be glad if they are able to do so, yo„, until that Body car show that their re-ponsible otlh'ors ii'jted as Loyal men should act uniler similar circunist iu<;es. 1 cannot cni-sent to their re.'eiviug one pouny of the money of this Dominion. The lirst statement bearing upon the subject is that of tjgt. James ilulligiu, a ;o la 'y Mi i ir ■il /e ,'0 B- ill C- ly ,m' L- at It r, ir. Is IL' ),l y, io at ic jy t'- iii to V. H -'li ^o "I to a- lii le et Jt or le ,11 ' u ri (I n XV w Ir Rll III 111 II III III III IV), c. afi 1)1 T. til cr sU K-i \v< 111 Ml ('!( Til Ifi up sa, I'eiHioiiei' ol' iiof Mujoily's ITlli K )0t hikI ; 'iinyiiy llic ri'li. l-, Iw .miIIi' I uikh |ir. < nwu i htoiy .nd lor .,>,no tin^. iM uF tim ;-;:;[:!^:'ii,i:;-:;i';:;;r;;'i:^';:;;r;;!'iL.'i:;l,r' I'olii'o l'on;o 111 tlio lowii ol W iniii|iPi;. ^:il.| Cnwiui vii.l iliui li.rv li ,il not, imt tlini h" .Sj,'l. MiilUkMn liriug duly hworii Im'Ioic .)ne ii"' ^'iv.Mi iii ■m ...•.•(■ss mi iM' MmvM. s:ii( ol UiH re cully ai.iioinlf.l Miuutobii , cm, r.,r i«,iicc m iii.'i..wn ..r \viiMii|..M.' i..r i..m- Justices of the i'eiCO slates amonil ulblT .V"iir-, uml ilmt li ■ uiMi.I in tlm ■•.■inanly il iriia' tliiniru '''' ^vlioli' iif Ihc ri'lpi'llimi UHltl liN nwii irnio'l- niiiWB. Miiilii 'Ml on 111.' Till |)i..-i>inlp.T. l-tiili. ■rii:il !»■ "■J'liul licariint Dial tlir lnilMiiii;s of Hr. n'jw U" lly w.iriiiMl lii.i'ior Cowmii :iiiii|ii'rlor oi|ii-"iN (irtln- il-lm; iiihl of ihc <|:iii,'c"ro| ilr,i c'Xl '.1 lliv; lo i>\i'to\Vii, ~alil .Imiii"s i'lrciitioii ot'lln itIii'Is to overthrow Un' ( )ov tm- Alillliif 111, th"ii ( 'liii.rol'l'oai'e, piiM'eehil ill oin'i' iiieiit .if I t.-'ke Kiiri (i;iriy, Imi tluilon nil occii- to Tcji't. (iari-y, .iiiil .--iiokc' lo Clili'T Kiic'nr lir. smik li.' wiis ri'lmtli'l !iii,i mII lilxiU^rH of mt- (' i\v ri, WJ I w 1 • M .IiKlici' ol I he :l'e;(i>e ;iiil him vvlinl he. Ihe loyul people who WfiT nnliii:! to support Ihe sHi I .Sl'illiu-iin, h n| heinl. S:ii.| \liiilij;iui nrifeil i po le., .i.e ho, it;- iii'l :iii\io.e to ki^ep ihiwii In • .snil •.'oW:in lo ; lU" sii-pv^ pi jirevent -nrh an ri''),'Hi >n \ifere illstiii'lly ri>r iv,,!, miil that Ih' O'lir.iie, iielii^Ue'l I'or Instrili'l loii.^ Iiuv ei |iro- sail .lames Muhhiiui tall.v Iim 'V.'s llial l!i i eee,!. I'ow.in iinswcreil, wh.il eiiii we ilo? .Saul IIiuIsom Hay I'oriipMii.v nnllii);'ltl's eoolil al any M llll'.;ill i-epiie I 111 it it woalil hr .ulvisuhle lo llm,' have sto|ip<„l llie salil reh.'llloii, hui thai rail o if 111' .►M.-peri.i! eonsta'iles who ha'l he-ii they ea.'o iraij'"! It tor th.'irfiW.a nur|io.--es aill pn,'air.M|. Sai ll'ow.in ref I'^e I t nlosn, an,| nahl ' verily hi'lifv.'s I{ii.| anci his m-'ii lo Imve heeii Malli;.',ui reltini,' 1 to i tl(.' wiial pi aiilion.-- he liivlleil tolake po-s,.<.ili,ii ,>| l^'ori (Jarry." CO il'l with Ihetw ipo'iiviif.i iri'l-i h,-, eha'-;Ci'. '1'],^ novt sritotnnt is OTiB 'llsd Sa1 l.r.im s .\I.i!li..r:,,| inr|ii..r>av- thai hefore rh" ' ""^ ", st lUlll 111 Is one .uv) reiiiUas-eiiiOV I i't .-iiinkiii- Kiv ■!■, hi'uav olnc Upon Oiltll in ulf> liv a veiy re.siipcialilo u.iirrio sail .JiiMi,-' cow.i.i ol ih.'ir iiji.iiii.iM l^.^i,i .nt ol' tlin I'ai'.sli of KiMiinan who lo i|ii so, (iiiil ihat the sail .liisti.-q I'.ivan sei'ine I t'll'ker.o noliee of It. Thil repeaieoly alter- Wanli 11]. I 1 the tiiiii' ol'tiie I'or; li. iiiu .ii-eiipi.'.l iiy l{i..| anil his ne'ii, llic sai.l Miii'ii;:in di.l iir,'.. ll|M(n the sail I'owan the .1 iiiiri'V in whleh Ui.- Korl spKiil, and a short lim ' helore ili.l Pil'orni Ih' sail t'owaii ihal ili • r.P.'N m Mlitat.-.l i al Stiokin.' uiver e. re-l>l tii.> eiiiraiic" of llie States. ••Thai ihirini,' the l.ill.il H'i'l In' wa> wori;ln:i In Mir vi.-inlly of I'orl (i irry.an.l -le.'l o.-casi.iii.ally at tli.'ho-.ise..; his s|,|(.r in >ail Kort. Tiitit on o:.e oe.^.i^io?., just hi'fori'lhe :: ith.vin;; ol r.'hi'ls ■i:ii -o iiiini.-' li r.i'ly an. I a',' iln ii!-.r.<.t tti.' saiil Uow.iii to eall upon the s.ii 1 .'ih:! siicdal e.iii. soth'.e-, h.il w IS in all e.i— s Ui~'.inc.tly refn^i' I. lion. Win. :Mi.|> .iitf.iii int.) Ihe'ri.rritory. inijotiii; on In the ihv,lvof ihi^ eveniiiL; !i.' saw Louis Kiel iiill.hii.f I'.icior l>r Cowan enter Koit ' iairy S lid .(am •s .Miilli-an fiirt'.er -ay- lh;il, a short ' l.v- lh.- porch I.'adini; Wi'iit to sail l''oi-| Willi one Si^ritHaiit .M-i.ior , lo tie' lln.lson l!iv t'oiui'ain '- ~t or.'. Thai whi'.^ I'owc-aiid r.'.i'i.'-l •.! a:i Ine-rMiov w.l'i iovi rii..r , in -.ai 1 iKireli llii' sai.l Kiel ami >.n I ( 'owan a.I- Me'l'avlili, Itiii' li" Wis till. I that li.o-.MTior M.-- v nice i and iov-r:io! .la.li;.' ,.aio:. w'.iic,'. to.k plac,' h. !we."i lie- ai.! (^>wan lilai-k. To.lii'l^" Hack th.' sal.l ,1 line- .Mnlii- i and I '.' s;aM Mii:di:aa .f'.'la'O ! a' .sti'ki' g Hi-.-.-. Taai • iid Kiel i-.sili.'.I, "W'ii.il that heoul.l c.ill nrithe pen-ioiu'rs I.) the mim- (^q.i.I will il .lo me? Whui will I nel lor it V" h.'r .;;hiriv a I ) ,- '; a- maay m a-'' a- h.' waiil- .-.aid (' "wan aiiswr.'.! llial "J.ivcri.or aaciaxish e 1 from ih • loya p.ip'ilali'i.i. Sail lilack •'.•lid, 1 wiril.l il'i ■ - h.- lewl proine.'il, a-.id sail Cov.-.' alk.'l in 'hi'.|lri''ilonol said ilay t.lie iil.l Mnlliuraii wis infiriiii' 1 that the , c,, wall's le-iileno.-. That further, lie veil y re I'.I.'si ii'iont tl.e 11 i^ ce/e'./ ii'il In' iiriinffl. n ■■' lji;',U'V,'s iV.ilil lie- whoie .■..av.'r-'a'.io'i t ii.'t - .M /«.(/ /ex .vccr/.'.'v irilh prtixicicri uml I'lii'il ni'ii. [ Cowan, who wa-s tlieli In i-haru ' .if Fort < iai : y, irr-,j ii'il ri'iiii!rr,l. s'.,ii.i lam.'- Malii ;an farth.'r ! was iiicitinu aa-l .'iicoiirauaii: ih' sail KU-i h.v (says Ill-It oa ,h" •-"ilh No-'emhe.-, ISMii In^ .lid r.'- ' ni'omls.'s of paymi'nl lo I ik ' .e'tiv.- si.'ps ic.rtr.-i (' -Ml- from ii.)Vi-rn-ir Mai-Tivi-li an ord.-r in : ke.'pinu oni .if tli" -all . lov.irii.ir M.'ll.riL.' ill V'^:-;-: ^ to p.'.icar-' th.' -ei'vi.'.'-.if -.'Veil iii.'.i an t : whl.'h sii.l Kiel seem-'d to he-iiale ahoa; l.iiii.;. Willi ili.-m lotraar.l crlaiii (iovi'rnm.'iil st.ire- | Thai id-.), h.. di.j .ai S'veriil occasi.ins s.-o In til.' i.i.ui'ho-.ist' of lioclor Schnltz, an.l thai tin- >al. I Cowan irel lliel m close i- inv.'i's itl'iii, sail order was Issai^-l In cons."iaea"e of tin , hiil co ihl nol hear wli-u wa- -Jald. Ill-',' 'lit appe il fir pro-.'-.'lio'i iVoni .Ino. .V. Snow, t!i" A.j.'iit of til ' C.iii.i ll.iii (i.iv. rnniciii at thie tiiii", lliit !i.' did lu'.i.'or.' Ih.' sail -.'v.'ii mi':i and plac" tin'lo to ..raar. 1 1 h"' hnil.linii, thai h - r.- III line I tut lii.' -cv.'iilli .lay of lii-.'.-mii.'r, wii.'.i 111.' hiili'linii- were siirrnaivli"! hy an arm -i I'.in''^ 'iiider It'u'l, and or.lers haviiii; coin" from I'ol. I) 'iinis los'irr.' i.h'r lu^ w.i- ncUi l.-.l. In lli !.' 'aeraljcaiitni'i', an.l I'-inaiii" 1 lor l.-a wc.-lv ill prison. :' i.l .Mnlhiraa lin-lii'r states lliiP, afp'rl"!! .v.'cks iniiiri-.iiim-'iit h" w.^ni an 1 saw IT. I'.iw.'ii, an. I adj.- I lo -c.' (iov.'ra.ii .\I-ic- T.ivi-li, tli.il li.' wished the |>ay of lie' men Ihal he hail emplove'l I) di'teml th" li.i\- erini'iit .-lores. Said Ma.'T.ivl-h rai-.' 1 all l>.i-- sihleohlecli.ais iili.l sai.l. l-ip'll tic tratli Mnlll- >;in. Iit ten .v'c-irs. Tiiat a ho. It iia-' wci-lc h.'fore th ei-iioii oi h irri.-a.l -- at Slinkinii River, ami when ihe rib '.- wen- then .'.lii.-cliniral lliat plai-e, li" •vas siimm -n.-.l to at- ti'ii'l a ni.-.'tlai,' of th.- siii.l Coiin.'ii ol .V—inih.ila to.-oiisi.l.-r Ihi' stale of all'airs. That at siii.l I'.iuii- cil he warn.'. I the olh.'r ni.'inher- .iltlu' L'Mh.-r- 111'.! thai 111 • ir hi- pl.-i the Slliikiiif; Uiv.-r, hiil liov. I'ri'si.lcnl, .liilsie U'^ick, th.'ii aciini; rii)r..li',l not sutt'-;i'Sl or advl-e any a.'tivo mi'MMiirs to iifovc'iil llio ivil. TImt lie tlirn mijc'l uiJiii llif ('(iiiiirll llic Micisslty, 1111(1 olli'ii d lo nilM' mill mil Mii' li.\ mI | uriimi tit tils own pni- |ilf, thi> h rciicli llilll■l.^(■rl|^, i-m.i.i.li null lc>|.ul llif i.'Mlli.Tliiu ili.wii, 'I'liiil or. I'l.ssii.i; I'.ic iiiMl- trr lif wasallnMiMl iM -.1 !■ wlinl lir n.iil.l ili' iiiu'fl- tllinllii' liniiii- 111 l«'r-iiii'- Wllliliu 111 :irl In M'.irli 8i'! \ iri' iiliillii ii'I'i'il. ri'. t 111' iillrl'Wiii'i ■ I' <)- Cllii'il .he iiMlui-^ 11 lilliil.\-.-lx iilili'-lMHiic I llif" Wll.i:.;; luiicl, mill Imil llH' I'arl wiimIuI.V ri ini|'|c(i, bill lliiit ( iiiM-i'tinr MiifiKV i>lullri umI him hi ills- li.iiil mill pay i.lt tlif lorcr wlilrli lie hail u lUu'fr'l 111 '111' niirlli M.lr ol'llu' lianiiMil:' In llir i.iiinliri- ol'lifiy ^i\ ullliDiit u'i\ ills; lii 111 liny icn^nii rnrilDlni; so. 'I'lial 111' iri|iiiu|.Mi aiici v^aili'il iiiliiy aii'l M liair nil a UMill"': imiIit, Iml Ilia' •iiicli oiilrr was (li.stilirliy I'OUlsi'il. 'I'lml lllrri' will' oil liilli'.' esUiiiali'laliiiiil si\iy.>i.\iil llir (iiiny uinli-r Uli'l mill liriii'ral llicsi'lil Man ifaili' (il Si iiikiiiu' HIvcr. Thai Iii'MsUimI (iiivi'i'iinr Miiclaslsli loi aililllloiial |ii'riili- lifiniT l-'orl liii' 111' li\ Mill] rcliils, lirliiliiiiiiiMl |ir. fiiwaii Ilic Ilia -irr 111' Mill I liirl, ul'iiirir iniriilii.ii ol liolim so, hill Ihal li" iliil mil ailvNi,. nr laUr any -trps l.i lircvciil tlii'lr iliiiiii;sii, ami iliiil In his lu'isi'iicrn prijiniiiciil Ki-ciu'lilia'l-iiii-i-.l: ' .rnicil ( invi-ninr Nlai'lavlsji .il'dii' lliti'iillnii o| X\u- i-i'lii'ls loliiUc Iiiis.i's-.i.iii iif the ilu'lsui, ]!ay ( 'mil pany's safe mill nl th" I'Dii. Tli;ii 'o llif In. I iil his Uiiow- li'ilgc ami hi'llil UifMilllciTH of Ihf lluJsMii liay C'l'iiiliiiiy 111 Fori ilariy illil not wish In Sinn Iht' arlinii nf thi' iMsurtti'lits at SiinUiiiir Kivi r, anil Ihal hail lii' bi'i'ii tfivni aiiihoi-lly In so 11 ii.iilil I'lisi'y iriVf liicii acrnini llsluil Willi till' aiil or l!in l"nMicli hall-liiTcils r.lnnc. That tlii-siilil (ll11^l•|■^^ iilsfi.iinii;iil ami IVhwiumI ilowii every Mitriii-stinn nr a lin-aiiMil' ilnilii; sn aii'l re- fuse I all niliis or aiil alul liial he helieM's Ihiil for siinie I'liviile leasen Ih,' mnveiiinil nf the il.Miriieiil- lui.ler IJiel, liiiKv aial t^epiiie Was tllninimhly hiaeennl wllli Ihei! nw n vi 1-lies." Ami now, Mr. Speaker, ns rcganls that clause in the .^uii))l('inciitiiiy Estimates, whieli asks tliis country fur ;j'40.iMiii to re- lieve the siitlerera froni the reeent reliel- lion at li'oil Kiver. I may say that this is a point, whioli sjiooially pleases me. 1 nni pi rtectly well aware that this government niielil. had it sn chosen, waited to ask the coiintiy for an anionnt tor this purpose, till an invcsti^'atii'ii had 1 ecu made, till evidence iiad heen taken, till a Coniniis- sion had sut. 'S'et. without any undue pressure that I am awaie of, they proposp. to spend this sum in this viM'y 1 UKiatiJe way, and 1 am disposed to look upon it, us aJi'Minest, that the (ioveininent intends to deal fairly, possil ly even lilierally with the loyal sutleiers of last winter. I ni'iy say ,dso now that we an? discus? ing the suliject, tint at u t nie when tliisiiov- einmeiit was accused of liav.n/ij no sympathy with the Wed Hiver loyali.stn tlii-y did th;.t which saved nie,at least, tiom utter ruin and inau).'uaiated a jirinciple which, hy this cl luse in the snp]ilementaiy estimate theysi em determined to carry out, I have also since learned. Sir, that this re- liei to myself, wliich 1 sjieakof, was not af- forde 1 without a consideiiilile stietch of legal authiiiity. and that a Minister of the Ciowneven became personally resjionsible for the amount. Well, the conclusi nthat I feel forced to €• me to, after .i consider- able degree of doubt on this matter, is, that in this matter at le.ist, tne (Jovern- meiit are not so utterly heartles.s as has sometimes been represents I and if the in- demnity proposed, bo confined to these and these only, who are known to have lo.st tl eir jaoperly or their time for the sake of loyalty to the Crown, it will tend to re- assure th.it class of suflbiers in Manitoba who now consider that they have been neglected an ■ 1 ;ii(ial>l(' I'on it, 118 t iiiti ikI.s nilly witli inter. | lisciii-.-ing tills (iov- v.un no loyji lists list, I'lom principle 'niontiiiy "aiiyout. t this re- is not !if- retch of >r of the jionsihle si n that ■onsidiT- utter, is, Ciovern- is iis has r tlio in- to these luve lost he sake nd to re- liinitoha vo heen iplause.)