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Les diagrammes suivants illustrent la m6thode. irrata to pelure, nd □ 32X 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 i^ r M Mr 578s- and I help t gentk give t men ( expec Mi of th( that noble to-da; man granc Wilfr one " and Mani Ml Whe] this ; bisto was t in M the and that woiil latur such M^n schoi couli i M Opinions of Liberal Members — ON — MANITOBA SCHOOL BILL (Taken from "Hansard" of 1896.) Mr. Laurier, April 8, 1896, Hansard 5785 — God help my poor fellow-countrymen and co-religionists of Manitoba if all the help they are going to have is what the hon. gentleman and his followers are prepared to give them. I pity my poor fellow-country- men of Manitoba or anywhere else if they expect any justice from the hon. gentleman. Mr. Devlin — I know what the policy of the leader of the Opposition is. I know that in his veins there courses true and noble blood, and I know that there is not to-day in the whole Dominion of Canada a man who holds dearer the interests of the grand French Canadian race than the Hon. Wilfred Laurier. Sir, he has never spoken one word in this House against doing full and adequate justice to the mmority of Manitoba — never. Mr. Laurier, April 14, Hansard 6379 — When the Manitoba Act was considered in this House of Commons, it is a matter of history that the intention of the legislature was to put the Roman Catholic minority in Manitoba on exactly the same footing as the Roman Catholic minority in Ontario and the Protestant minority in Quebec, that is to say, that their separate schools would be beyond the reach of the legis- lature of Manitoba, that they would be in such a position that the legislature of Manitoba could no more touch their 'schools than the legislature of Ontario could touch the separate schools of that province, or than the legislature of Quebec could touch the separate schools in that Province. Mr. Laurier, March 3, Hansard 2756 — What is before the House ? A half- hearted and faint measure. Mr- Laurier, March 3, 1896 — A measure of compromise and nothing else. It is a compromise which is to be ad- ministered by a hostile government. Mr Geoffrion — I am just as anxious as hon. gentlemen opposite are that justice should be rendered, and that our constitu- tion should be respected But I most em- phatically say that this Bill, which I have now before me, does not render justice, and I am most decidedly in favor of voting the six months' hoist, because the accept- ance of such a Bill would be a delusion and a denial of justice. It has the label of a Remedial Act, out I do not see the remedy, . . As this Bill, if passed, will, in my opinion, exhaust the remedial legislation which is to be introduced pursuant to the order adopted by the Government, it will leave the Catholics of Manitoba ' a worse position than they would occupy n this Bill did not pass. Mr. Geoffrion, March 4, 1896 — I stated at Verch^res before the electors, as I state here, that my feelings are in favor of fosre (( 2 Temedial legislation; that I am ever ready to support or contribute in the best way I can to the passing of any legislation that will remedy the grievances of the minority in Manitoba. I told the hon. Minister that I would at once declare — not that I would support the Government — because that I never will — but that I would sup- port the measure. They voted for the man who promised that he would be in- favor of remedial legislation, and I am still in favor of it. I oppose this Bill pre- cisely because I feel that if we were lo pass it today, it would put an end to all possible chance of re-establishing separate schools in Manitoba. Mr. Langelier, March 5 — This Bill is siinply a mockery. Mr. Monet, March 12, 1896 — I had al- ready stated— and I repeat the statement — that, if Archbishop Langevin were satis- fied with the Bill, viewed from a religipus standpoint, we are not salisfied with it at all, both from a nat'onal and from a political standpoint. Mr. Rinfret, March ro, 1896 — Now, Sir, I think it my duty to vote against the Bill, and also because it can in no way remedy the grievances complained of by the Catholic minority nor will it restore to them the rights and privileges they have been so unjustly deprived of. Mr. Carroll, March 10, 1896 — I against this law because I think it is ba minor- o them a , and privi- n'ps, first, e province b put it in omise, and e be found, an such a absolutely le Catholic e hundred hool. do not be- , I do be- lould have igainst the i does not trymen. I96 — Now, iths' hoist, mands the at the Bill m assumed leman says : he is op- te schools, idy passed ind we are isure as we e it on the le, it is not rt isard 2854 Igainst this lot because I am opposed to remedial legislation. On the contrary, I stated last year that I had no confidence in the prorr>ises that were made on behalf of the Government by one of the Ministers ; but I have a strong faith that our leader will be able to succeed wh( . the Government are sure to fail. I have full confidence in my party, and not only in the leader of my party, but in his lieuten- ants. I oppose this Bill precisely because I feel that if we were to pass it to-day, it would put an end to all possible chance of re-establishing separate schools in Manitoba. all reasonable men among of the whole Doniiiion. the Protestants Mr. Laurier, Hansard 2872 — I am cer- tainly in favour of remedial legislation ; but where I difter is with regard to the methods to be adopted and the procedure to be adopted. I desire the removal of these grievances, but I desire also a proper in- vestigation mto the facts before we act. Mr. Langelier (Quebec) Hansard 2982 — There is a most important point, in my judgement, and it is why I cannot agree with my hon. friend, the member for Ber- thier (Mr. Beausoliel). I consider as disas- trous to the interests of the Catholic minor- ity the interference now proposed by the Governm',nt. They want to allure that min- ority by the last section of the Bill. By that famous section they want to allure the Catholic people and induce them to accept this Bill. They say to the minority : It is quite true that this Bill will give you noth- ing, but the principle will have been ac- cepted, and, later on, we will pass a good Bill giving you all what you claim. The Ministers would not dare to state that in this House, but it is what is being done. Is the hon. Postmaster-General willing to state that this is only the beginning and that the Bill will be completed later on ? If he is willing to make such a statement, I am willing for my part to vote for the Bill, Mr. Langelier, Hansard 2986 — This Bill is simply a mockery. the minority are made is only the beginning justice, and that later Bill, this abortion of completed. This is only an allurement of which we must beware- By adopting this Bill, we would make worse the position of the Catholic minority in Manitoba in favor of whom we may now make an appeal to By the last section, to believe that this of the measures of on, this shapeless legislation will be Mr. Rinfret, Hansard 3154 — We, as Catholics, Sir, have no right to turn a deaf ear to the prayers and entreaties of the Manitoba Catholics, and that is the reason why I hailed with delight the Order in Council of the 19th March, 1895, which recognizes that the minority had : (i) The right to build, maintain, equip, conduct and support their Separate Schools : (2) The right to share proportionately in any grant made out of the public funds for the purpose of education ; (3) The right of exemption of such Roman Catholics as contributed to Roman Catholic schools from all payment and contribution towards the support of any other schools. I have, on several occasions, publicly expressed my adhesion to that Order in Council, both on the public platform and in the press. I would have at the session of 1895, willingly supported and given the support of my vote to a fair, sincere and practical en- forcement of that Order in Council. I would again have been ready to give it my best support, at this session. Now, Sir, if I think it my duty to vote against the Bill which is now before the House, the reason is that, in my humble opinion, it will not secure an honest, fair and practical en- forcement of the enactments of the Order in Council I have just quoted, and also because it can in no way remedy the grievances complained of by the Catholic minority nor will it restore to them the rights and privileges they have been so unjustly deprived of. Mr. Carroll, Hansard 321 1 — Mr. Speaker, I am against this law, because it is going to cause irritation without relieving the minority. I am against this law, be- cause I think it is an appeal to expediency. I am against tbi; law because I think it is the death-blow to the French language in the province of Manitoba. I am against this law because I do not think that this Government, even if they were sincere, could render justice to the minority while they command — oh, no, they do not com- mand — the Tory phalanx behind them. Sir, I am in favor of the policy of the leader of the 0| position, because I believe it will result in the settlement of this ques- tion to the satisfaction of the minority, without disturbing the peace of the coun- try. We are a united party in support of that policy. We -vant an inquiry, which is the legal and constitutional way to pro- ceed. We want an inquiry ; and we want the intervention of this parliament, if Mr, Greenway is deaf to all sense of justice, as Hon. gentlemen opposite seem to think. Mr. Monet, Hansard 3352 — But what we had to fear, what he feared himself at Sohmer Park, was that this law, drafted by the Orangemen of the Ministry, could give no satisfaction to the episcopacy, and to the Catholic minority of Manitoba. The posi- tion is not changed in regard to the law. We do not find that it affords as much jus- tice and security as we could give ourselves to the Manitoba minority. What we do want is a constitutional law, an operative law, a law so framed as to mete out justice to a minority whose rights have been over- looked for over five years by the present Government. We want an operative law, which may later on be modified. That cannot he brought about without political evolution which will bring into power men strongly determined to deal to the minor- ity full justice. Mr. Legris. (Translation). — The Gov- ernment refuse to promise to accept these amendments or any other to the same effect. Let them say that they will amend this Bill, and I will vote for its second reading. Otherwise, I will find it my duty to vote for the amendment moved by the hon. leader of the Opposition. Mr. Bruneau — I repeat it again, so that the stand I take on the question may be clearly understood; I am in favor of separ- ate schools. Had I lived previous to 1837, I would have insisted upon Great Britain fully recognizing in all their integrity the rights of French Canadians. Now we have to deal with the Catholic minority in Manitoba, and I wish to secure for that minority the full recognition of their con- stitutional rights. In concluding my re- marks, sir, I declare that I shall vote against the Bill, because I believe it to be ultra vires; because it would prove to be a source of litigation for the Catholic minor- ity; becaii c it is incomplete and does not render ju lice to our fiHow-countrymen, but causes iiic-m to lose ilic rights which they enjoyed previous to 1890; be- cause adnnitediy it is not a direct interfer- ence by this Parliament; because it is in- operative in its main provisions; the sanction being left to a hostile government, because, with a view to a settlement of this question, I have more confidence in the patriotic and wise course pursued by the hon. leader of the Opposition. Mr. Charbonneau, Hansard 4221 — I hope, Mr. Speaker, that in raising the point I now submit to the House, my position will not be interpreted as showing ill-will on my part towards the Manitoba minority or as meaning a refusal to render justice to them. I do not deem it necessary, under the circumstances, having to deal with this unconstitutional measure, to make any de- claration of sympathies in this relation. However, I may say that if 1 can by my vote, my influence or my words, help in the slightest way, the Manitoba minority to be reintegrated into its rights I will always be happy to do so. Mr. Laurier, in his famous Chicoutimi speech said : — " I thank God there are no Orangemen among us Liberals." Last FroTinc'ial Election in Manitobn.j Total vote polled 25,507 Liberal votes 11,178 Patrons 2,680 Independents 930 Conservatives 10,719 -25 507 Liberals got less than half the popular vote and owe their majority largely to the gerrymandered condition of the provincial constituencies and enormously coritipt practices of their paid officials. I aelieve it to be i prove to be a "'atholic minor- ; and does not owcountrymen, rights which lo 1890; be direct interfer- lecause it is in- provisions; the tile government, 1 settlement of e confidence in rse pursued by )sition. nsard 4221 — I raising the point se, my position showing ill-will nitoba minority render justice lecessary, under 3 deal with this ) make any de- n this relation, if 1 can by my words, help in oba minority to ts I will always ous Chicoutimi no Orangemen tin Manitobii. 25,507 ..11,178 . . 2,680 . . 930 ..10,719 25 507 alf the popular ! largely lo the f the provincial nously cormpt lis. i