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C, of J, C. of r.fttt:MuiHtiiin , Baptism and the divine orijf in of tho Bw»k of Vlormon, and thudiillnn'jr i haviii:^ been accepted by W. H. Cooper, tlin followiujf propoaitlons and re;fu)ationrt ar>^ agreed to :— > , 1. The m&do of Christian Baptism in l)y ImmerHlpn jpniy. L<th. 6. A chairman shall be chosen by the mutual consent of the debatants or representatives. Each debatant shall choose a moderator The duties of the chairman and moderator shall be those usually performed by Si^ch persons. The moderators in calling attention to any point of order shall not address the speaker on the opposite side, but shall Mppeal to the chair. Tlie chairman shall not have authority to decide wiiat is or what is not evidencfe. but shall rule acconiing to regulation (3) of this agreement. Time lost in settling points of order shall be allowed the speakers. During the Sunday intervening between the sessions of this debate the parties tht^r^to shall no.t discuss the questions herein named in the absence of his opponent. At the close of the debate the chairman Bhali ask the audience if it desires by vote to decide the merits of the debate, and allow the audionce to do so if it wishes. A committee shall be appointed who shall be responsible for the rent of the Anderson Hall, which shall be secured for this discussion. Personalities and ungentlemanly language shall be aroided by the debatants. WALTER CABLESS, JAMES FOSTER, Witnesses. W.H. COOPER, A. LEVER ION. Mr. men: — here to a|^ ho| / do m /blame 1 / todiscu all awi papers. able th? on in tl motive. of qur sion vt\ the tem tioh is o Dated at Tilbury Centre, Ont.j March 19th, 1S94. h '< 'W . :m:oid:ei of bjlfotib PROPOSITION FOR DISCUSSION. i'HE Mode of Christian Baptism is by Immersion Only\ ny ELDER LEVERTON AFFIRMS. I FIRST evening. At the hour of eigrht o'clock oa the evening name|4„in the agnreement, the Anderson Hall, Tilbury' Centre, wa^ well filled with JJ^ighly respectable audience, evidently interested to know the truth relative to WK'V^xtjd question to be discussed. The Chair was occupied by N. Mills, Esq., Barrntbr. After devotional exercisos, Mr^ Mills announced that Mr. Leverton would open the debate by aftirming the above proposition, .'i •^ IB. lEVEBTON'S FIRST SPEECH. * Mr. Chairman, Ladieb and GbNtle- mbn:— I am pleased to meet so many here to-night to listen to this discussion and hope it will prove pro.ltable to all. /do not consider myself altogether to /blame for this discussion. We are here todiscuss the subjects of which you itre all aware, having read them in the papers. There is nothing more proflt- ablti than a discussion when it is carried on in the right spirit and with the right motive. One of the first things we read of qiir Master Is, that hi.^ had a discus- sion ifi^ith the lawyers and doctors in the temple; Luke 2:42-46. This proposi- tion is one vei-y much discussed among the children of men. I affirm that The scriptures are the exponent of what I wi^ to affirm. I shall com- mence with Matthew 3, l-H. "In those days came John the Baptist preaching in the wilderness of Judea, and laying, rjpant ye for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand * * * The vQice of one crying in the wilderness, prepare ye the way of the Lord, make His paths straight. Then went out to him Jerus* aiem and all Judea ♦ * * and were baptized in JorcOan confessing their sins." This proves to us th^t this same John was -jto prepare the way of the Lord. Again, in Luke 1-17 wAfind the same idea presented. In these quotations from scripture we have a man sent to prepare the way. Luke says, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord. Mark 1 : 3-4; "Prepare ye Christian baptism is by Immersion only, the way of the Lord, make his path.H PiW-i|»'r;7''' **'■■* '^'•' W m ,V.j . WMH^wUh 4* TIIK C(MM'EU-LEVKKT()N DP BATE. ■IIM ■■■limiM^ II I • ■ ■ " W»9^^ fr ' ""' —"—-'"- -..iLhU..... X ...^ J.,t...l,lJ,l|llM I ''I ■ '"■ ■tralght." How did John do thW? lie piimiinK hit whol*! lK»d3^ UicoukIi tli« fit by promliiiiK r«i|Kiitaiuc nnd door, whkh prov«H tKntJn' wim iiii- .irfzliijf ill tlio rlvor .lonluii, not on nuTHcd, iih tlio ImptiHin whf^^-li .lolin iid- thiv liiiid, Wlint i« tliii rlviir Jordan? nilni«t)W up this conipariHon. In John 3: 21-23, Jesus baptized ami John was baptlKini? in A«!nonnear to Salem, because there was much svnU'r there. Now we have not only shown that John baptized but that Jesus also baptized. In Matt. 3-16, we Hiid that Jesus had come to John to be baptized. J«liii said, I have need to be bjtptlzed of Thee, and comest Thou to me ? But Jesus said. Sutler it to be so now for' thus it bi^comoth us to fulfill all right- eousness. And when he was baptized ho went up straightway out of the water. Here we have Jesus coming up out of th«^ water. If he had not gone into the water he certainly could not come up out of it. In John 10 : 1-3, we find. He that entereth in by the door is the shepherd gf the sheep. There is only one door of entrance and only one administration mentioned in scripture. Jesus entered by the door. John was the porter and the only man who ad- ministered any rite to Jtisus, and the only rite that he administered was bap- hence. th en b aptism is the door tiam ; wHt«< In Kph. 4:1-5, One \aw4, one fnith\onH bap- timn If thi're Ih only oiki baptlMin how Clin tht-ri' Ik* many i* Acts ^:!W,3J), hiillp biiptizcd tilt* euniu-Ji. \ When Philip joined hiiiiHelf to thiwhaiiiot the eunuch wiih reading the scriptuW at Isaiah TtM, where it tells about .\eflUH (;hriitt, Jind from that Philip preni^hed ChriHt to him. \ When, thereforeNK* -wa^nir trt* ^w«e wnU'v he Mild what doth hiiidi^' nie td'J^ bapliz«H|. Philip said, If thou beliovtisk'' with all thine h((art, thou mayest. H«\ said I l)elieve that Jesus ('hriHt. Is tlie son <)f (J WilH illl- I Jdllll llll- lii Kph. \oiiH Imp- i|\tlMin how h. \ WhcMi I'luiriot tlu> riiituVi'H at Mint J«flUH I prtMiqlu'ii •!■ im i&n^ I Imliovtwi'^ iy»iHt. H«\ liHt Ih the \ Ik)Hi went 1', baptUcid vnpOut of fiiy Philip onv Soino iH Imptizud ur.) w«int ) Imptized iiinistrator idato. It thorn to gt> hnd only it. TheV How much ufiieiunt to 'overod th« r(v not that ttized into i into his ^n planted Hi8 death nesH of His efore, that into His an immer- th water? 9U are also surrection. 1 must be ;f our own houIh. Ill coinhijf Uifoni you thl« ovrnlnjC. > do not Hlinply rt^prcmmt thi, Mi^lMMlUt church honi but K«"«"t truflm h«ild equ*lly Umr bv uwiiy oHmt doiioinhm tloiiH hero and ^Imswhciro. My oppoiiwit cotuoa U) UH m mw of t\w iibhmt t^xinm- «tUii o( th« d'H^trliio of bin ibunb aiul of tUoMM of othor chunh««» thAt hohl ulnillar vIewtfeu|K)ii Moiiioof th« qutfHtloiiii btlae•' *"•■" nUh any proof whatevt^ of Immersion. The Greek preposition "en" here trans- lated, "in" is trauHlatiHl in the Bible "at," "on," "with" 313 times, and could be rendered here by "at" equally as well as "In" without doing any injust- ice to the passages and would then read "And were baptized of him at Jordan," "And were all baptized of him at the river of Jordah," Again if we admit that "en" is here properly rendered "in" and means "into" yet it does not prove Immersion, for 'into" does not mean ' "under, " and if into cannot be rendered "under" then there is no immersion. A person may stand "in" the water, may gfo "into" the water, as many a one does, and not go under the water. That "in" does not mean "under," and there- lore does not prove immersion is proved conclusively from the following pass- ages: Matt. 3:1; "In those days came John the Baptist preaching "in" (en) the wilderness. "^Not under the wilder- n wi Matt. 3:3; "The voice of one "Into' the mountain he did not grt "under" It. In I King* '/ : «, we have, ••Sblniel came down "Into" the Jordan to meet David." Surely no one will think that 8hlm.-l and Dr.vUI were "under" the waters of the Jordan, or lmiiM nn^"f^j' TIIK aXn»KU LKVKK1X>N DKMATK. •'%' tlon; John H: 2ft, '2»J; *'Tli«n thor« «r««» n quiMlion b«tw(>(«n miini! (if Juhii'it (le«cipltit nnd the Jnwn iib«mt purtflcA- tlon." Now, It l« woll known thiit nil tho JawInK puriflcntionH woro t)y iiprlnk- linff and not hy ininu*rHlon. No. IH: 19; "and thu cloan portion Hliall Hprinklu upon tho unihtMO • * * nnd \w shall purify hiniMilf." Mill. 3: 1; "IUn hold I will iioiid my n oHsori^tr. " Of JoHUM it iH said, Mnl..H:il, 'And ho ihnll purify thu sonH of Levi. " John prone IknI ruptMitciu'o nnd an tho niun- ■onifer of ChrlHt, propnrinfc his wnv, ndminlHtorod to tho poopio tht^ outwnnt sign of purilk*ation which wax bnptiHni by Hprinkltnf]^, for, a» we juHt pointed out, John 'h bnptimn Im roforod i6\% "a,. quoNtion tiHtH do without any proof whatever that our Saviour was iniuieugd from . these pasMagi'S. In Mark 1 : 1)W< Greek pre|MJsltlon rondcTwd "In" la "els" which is translated in the N. T. by - to " and " unto " !*)«« times nnd simply means "to the river." But If we allow that It la properly translated by "In " Immersloti Is not proved. To prove Immersion , from this word you must show that "In' moans " under " for unless tho person Is put unek preposition rendered " out of " Is also " apo " In the Jeru sa lem? It would 1^ s imply Impo s- — Gr ee k of King Jam e s' ver s ion but the sible, my opponent lias entirely failed Revised Greek Version gives ;* ok" to find immersion In John's biptism but ek. also means "from" and Is so SfA h^f 8% THE COOPEK-LEVEKTON DEBATE. Mudered in the N. T. 186 times. The paMsges correctly translated read ilk both quotations " from the water " not "out of the water, " Al lowing riow ever that "apo" and "eit" are properly rendered by/' out of " yet immersion is not proved at all for when ft person stands but anlcle deep in the water he is said to come "out of" it. There is not an iota of proof that Christ ever*wa8 immersed. Again all ancient pictorial representations of Christ's Baptism re- present Christ standing in theedgeof the JtNTdan and John standing on the banic pouring or sprinliling water upon his head, Gregory Thaumaturgus, who was bom A.D.210, and died A.D, 270,and who built the first Christian chapel of which we have any record, represents John as saying toJesns at the time of his baptism: ''How shall I touch thy undefiled headt* How shall I stretch my hand over thee who has strdlched .o^t the heavens as a curtain and established the earth upon the waters? Stretch out thy ft«ad right hand which thou hast prepared for thyself, and crown by thy touch my head." In reply to this Jesus isrepre- seiited as saying : It is necessary that I should now he -baptiaed with this bap^ tkn." * * 'The Baptist having heajrd this, stretched out his trembling right hand and baptized, the Lord. Thus, in a record'of Christ's baptism, sixteen centuries ago, he is noiimmer^ed but baptized by sprinkling. Yet with' out the shadow of proof my friend "hste .assumes that Cluist was immersed. My apponent now leaves the Jordan and goes to Aen<»i, because "there was much water there," John 3:23. If John wanted much water why did he leave the Jordan? The Greelc phrase "hu- data polla" occurs fifteen times in the scriptures and is but once rendered "much water." In Rev. 1:15 ; 14:2 ; 17: 1; 19:6 it is rendered '"many waters." It means many springs. Dr. Robinson says "It is six milias north-east of Jer- usalem and many springs burst out from the rocicy crevices at various intervals for some miles." The water wps not deep enough to immerse in, and certain- ly John who baptised by sprinlcling according to the Jewish custom, did n«)t immerse there. There is not the i>hadow of proof that John went to Aenon to immerse any one. The gentleman asks as do all immersionists, "Why did John go where there was "much water if noi to immerse?" We reply he went there that the people might be accommodated just as an army encamps where there is water and lUst as Methodists select places of much water for camp mei^tings. Why did the Methodists select Grimsby an4 Chautauqua and Bay View on the lakes? To accommodate the people not to immerse, for Methodists do not immerse as -a rule. The gentleman next introduces Philip and the Eunuch Acts 8 : 88. "And they went down both into' the water, both Philip and the Eunuch" Do "into" and "out of" imply immersion here? If my friend says no he gives up the argument, if he says yes he gives up the immersion theory for if "into" and "out of" imply im- mersion here, then Baptize does not for after they went into the water Philip baptized the eunuch and it wais after the baptism that " they come but of tne water,"agaln if " into "and " out of " imply immersion t^en both Philip dnd the eunuch were immersed for both went down "into" and came up "out of." If my friend says Philip had to go down into the water to immerse him then, I reply, first that destroys the "into" and " out of" theory, and second, it begs the question ajtid assumes thfe point to be proved This text does not prove immersion at all, for first the Greek prepositions "eis" and "ek" here rendered "into "and " out of "may with equal justice and harmony l>e rendered " "to" and "from" and the passage would r ad "they both w:ent down to J^ Wf «« v3?^-^|^^tl|gfMiiK^?!^l*i^»^^ THE COOPKir-LEVERTON DEBATE, 9 tliBVatoi' • * • and caino up from tho wator," mid w« Imt'on? pointwi out that the word "ela" is translated in tho Biblo "to' or "unto"' o^H tiniuH and "clc" is rondorod "from" im tiinea If I allow my opponent the* passaK-c. as it Ih ronddr- .] But there .is no doubt that the eunuch was baptized f>v apfinklingr, This is proved beyond a doubt from the passaj?.! the eunuch was reading in Isa 52 and 53. It must be remembered that there were no chap- ters orVersjs in t'l! ori<,nn!U, only pira- g:raphH and that Luke in referring- to the passigre dojs not quot.Mhe whole of it, but a part. Now taking tho whole passag-H d(iscribhig the Work and suffer- ings of Christ the eunuch would begin in the previous chapter, Isa. 52:15: "So shall he sprinkle many nations' When tized. " The eunuch wag reading about 'Christ who should sprinkle manv na- tions, how? by bapMsm. Nothing can bo clearer than that the baptism here was by sprinkling and not inunersion. Next we come to Kom. fi: H,4: "Know ye not that so many of us as were baptized Into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death, therefore wo ace buried with him by baptism into death. If this has ref- erence to water baptism then water must at the same time represent first, Christ; second, his death; third, a grave. But it is never so rerresented in the Bible. Again If dipping a jierson into w/iter represents baptism into Jesus Christ, then withdrawing the person from the water repnisents taking the candidate out of Christ and, likewiSSf out of the beneHts of his deatli, w^ich isab surd; tor when a person is baptized into - Christ he is supposed to "abide in the vine," to remain in Christ; The whole theory is absurd and proves too much. We are baptized into Jesus Christ not by immersion info water, but by the spirit, by whose influence we are made new creatures. 1 Cor. 12: 13: "For by one spirit are we all baptized into one body." Not by water, but by one spirit is this accomplished. My friend tells us that baptism repre- sents'*t>he death and resurrection of Christ, also his burial. Now Christ did not die in the water, but upon thecrOss. How, then, can immersion represent His (ieath. Again Christ was not hur- ried under the ground as wo bury, but placed in a cave cut into a perpendlcuT larrock. This epistle was to the Ro- mans *ii,-&# ._-'• ■ * -'^J *£ 1 "'_! ♦■ 10 THE COOPEK-LKVEUTON DEBATE mod« of bapMsin, y«t th«r« is ii > iinuioi-- sion in it. It lius no ivjtVfouiH! to wiitur whatever. "Know y<' not that ho many of maH wor« baptizod into joanH Christ (not into wati^r). W(iro h.ipti/.tMl into His d'iath (not into wiUor), tlici-(^tor(! wo ai'o buried with him by biptinin into don ih (not into water.) Wo noxt com;i to l Potur, Jl: '21, for iminorsion. My friond ui;ilxes th;; 'Miko Hguro" ndiir to the; earth, and \i^ holds that tho rain coininj? upon tiie earth baptized it, but if tlie rain f.illinj? upon the eurtlibapttzod it, it was a l)a^)- tism by sprinkling for tlie rain fiir u|)on the earth, th« earth was not dipp ^l int» tho water. But if my friend liad bum bettor posted he would not have made the mistake of referrin}? the baptism to the earlh by the rain for the baptism refers to the "ei{?ht souls that were saved by water" when ridinj? upon the top of the water within the arK. In this case the eijrht souls were baptised not by putting them into water but by keeping them out of tht; water. If this is a figure of baptism it doi^s not prove immersion for they were not. immersed. The eight souls were baptizwi and saved the antedeluvianpwerO immersed and drowned, of course the baptism here has reference nOt> to mode but to the condi- tion of the eight souls, a condition of safety on the water, in the ark, (time expired.) ■/- MR. LEVERTOM'SJECOHD SPEECH. Mr. Chaiumas, Ladies and Oentlk- MEN :— I am glad that Mr. Cooper has entertained you so weU- He says he does not represent methodism' but truth. J, do not know whether he means that /methodism does, not represent truth or not. lam not a Greek scholar. I aiii a farmer ; but I am astonished that lie ' should tell us that "irito"mean3 "under." .There is one place where you can go under the water and you will not get sprinkled or inunersed and that is the Sarnia tunm^l. It is not under the wat(!r but nito tlie water, or immtnsion that we are discussing. lU' Hmls fault with the translation of t\\^ i>ibte. The most learned men sat on the tr.inslation of it and yet my op|)ouont is tiot «atisH(Hl. He should get a translation of his own. According to him the Hebrew children were not cast into the ti.-ry furnace, nor Daniel into thi! lions' tl'U. Nor was Jonalv ill the tish. They were only ou the edge or perhaps Jonah was on the back of the lish, and rod cv ashore. We have been taught that if we live good lives \ve will enter through the pearly gates into the city. If into do^is not mean "into," then wo shall be uisap- pointed. The wicked shall not be cast into hell. This doe,s not mean into but under, there M'ill then be a chance for them. If we change the meaning of this word it destroys the promises and there will be no getting "into" the Kingdom of Heaven. He says going into the mountain; but ther(5 thav be caves in the mountain. So also in the woods, you do not go under them ,i you g-o into them. He says that all the people of Judea and Jer.isahim >yent to John and were all baptised. He knows better than that. John rejected many of them for he says " Oh generations of vipers." This was addressed to the Fharises, a large body of the Jews and they were not ba; tized. Some of the audience cheered when he made this statement ; but it was not tru«. He says that th(ire was not suHicieiit water inAenon to baptize by immersion. How does he know? A curse was pronounced against the Jews on account of their wickedness. TU« «C»rly and latter rains haveb(!en withheld and the streams and pools then existing have dried up. What about the sick waiting at the pool to be put in or irimuirsed. He says the Jordan was too swift a stream for baptising in. ■'frjf^ TJ^pifflPY'S^ THE €(X)PEli-LKVERTON DEBATE. 11 Jordftn wasn l»ir{r(! I'iyi^r, it olrfm niid flowB. It WH8 divif cups, and pots^ aiid bra'/i^i vessels and of lable.H." TlKr word tabU'S is Reina83 through the Sarnia tunnel or some tuiniel to inuntMse them. But this figurative innnersion is all imfigination. Tiie cloud was not above Israel during their passage t!non'j;li the Red Sea. Before they entered 'he sen. the cloud went from before them, and stood behind tlu^m, between thenv and the Egyi)tian9. and continU(«l then; lyitil they passed through the sea. Exotl. 14:9-22 They w 're b-iptizid. by the cloud while they were under the; cloud but theV were not under the cloud when :\-:: •■\' T'N'iV "W m^ u THE COOPER^LEVERTON DEBATE. . ttmUiif throufi^h th« lioH. Whnii and how wiw tlui baptifim of tho cloud per- formed? Pan. «W:7-1(> ••Thou O Ortd did'»t bend a plentiful rain, whereby thou didst confirm thinv inheritance when it was weary." What was the state of conflraiatlon into which iMruel was brought by this plentiful pain? Paul says, "They were all baptlsfod unto Moses by the cloud and it was this »>ip- tlsm unto MoHes that confirmed Israel in the dispensation of Moses. What the Psalmist here calls a confirmation, by a plentiful rain," Paul calls a "baptism unto Mosea," But this baptism was not by dipping'. It was by sprinkling with the ruin from Hearen. In Psa. 77:iO-'2() we have the same circumstances men- tioned. The baptism in the sea was upon the dry ground, Exod. 14: 22. The baptism in the cloud was by rain sprink- ling down upon the Israelites. Here is a case of baptism without immersion. Then again we have the case of Na- aman 2 Kings 5: 8 . Naaman is direct- ed to go a,nd wash himself seven times in jordah. Naaman went and baptized himrtelf seven times (Septuagent version.) The translatoniof the Septuagent use the words " louo " and "baptize" inter- changeably here. Naaman was a'leper. He was to be cleansed by baptizing himself seven times in Jordan. Ho^r was a leper cleansed according to the law. oif Moses? Never by dipping or immersion but by i»priukling. Lev. U:7 " Aqd he shall B[H-inkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times and shall pronounce him clean." Naaman was eommanded to go and wash (lousai) himself seven times. The law of Moses required that a lej^er should be sprinkled seven times in order to be cleansed. Naaman did as he was commanded and this is called baptism, but it was by Sprinkling. The Hebrew word translated here by the Seventy is "tabhal,"in Gen, 87:81 the same Hebrew word is tf-anslated in the Septuagent bv the Oreek word ".Moluno, " The Seven- ty thus used the words " Imptito " and ••moluno " Interchangeably, but all lexi- cons give the meaning of "moluno" ••to sprinkle." Thus f^m the plain use of baptizoin tho bible, it means tosprinkle whenever it expresses an action, though it does not ^^enerally express an action but a conditbm, and it is not material how the condition is reached so long as it is efTet^ted. The next passage that I shall examine is found in Heb. 9:10 •'Which stood only in meats and drinks and divers wash- ings," (baptisms in the Oro^ik.) Here all tho variouH ablutions of the law of Moses are called baptisms. These bap- tisms were performed by sprinkling not by immersion. Not a single personal immersion was ever enjoined by the law, and yet the law enjoined divers baptisms. Heb. 9: 19 "For when Moses had spoken eyery precept to all the people, according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the hook and alJ the people." These sprinklings are called by Paul"divjr8 baptisms." The mode of baptism then is by sprinkling not dip- Again in Matt. 20: 22, '23; and Mark 10; 88, 39, Christ asks: '• Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall dmtk and to be baptised with the baptism that I am baptised with?' Here the baptism of sufTeriiig is referred to. It was a superfusion, not an immersion. Immersionists sometimes try to trans- late every instance of the word baptizn by immersion but in these passages they have failed to do so. They cannot do it. Dr. Conant, the grwit B-aptlst scholar, has translated Mark lO: 38, 39, ■•'Are ye able to drink the cup that I drink, or to endure the immersion which I endure." Here he was not able to translate baptizo by" immersion in two, or rather four instances but hns render- •^^ , r ■■\ THE COOPER-tEVRRTON DEBATE. 15 rho Sev«n- )tl«o " and lutnll ItixU ioluno""to laiu uiin of tosprinkiA on, thouiph I all action it material 8o1on^ a8 II examino stood only win wash- t!k.) Horo lie law of rh«8e bap- nkling not ) perflonal m by the led divers hen Moses io all the ,, be took >at8, with trssop, and I alJ the ire called rhe nu)d(^ iBT not dip- ind Mark ! ye able all drintk baptism Here thc! ed to. It imersion. to trans- 1 baptizo figea they annot do Baptist 0:38,39, > that I on which abld to I in two, I render- ed it «'ndure. "Wenow come to baptism by the spirit," mv opponent does not want tO touch this and sa.vs it does not belong to this proposition. He knows it is against him and does not want it brought in, but I shall examine it for it Ih conclusive evidence agninht his theory of inunersbn. Matt. H:|l, John says : "I indeed bnptize you with water, Imt he shall bnptixo you with the Holy Ghost.and with lire." Acts !:& J4)sus said : * For John truly baptijifed with vfrnter; but ye Shall bebapti:^.with tne Holy Ghost not many dayi h(mc(^" Now what was tho mode which was performed upo.i the apoAtles when thfjy were baptized with the Holy Ghost? It was not immersion for the Uol.^ Ghost was poured out upon them. The scriptures always represent fh:^ baptism of the Holv Ghost as being •'poured out," "a falling on," "a shed- ding forth." When the Holy Ghost was poured out upon the disciples on, the day of Pentecost it wab the fulfilment of the Saviour's promise : "Ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghr>st not many days hence.'* When Cornelius and his house were baptized with the Holy Ghost, Peter says : " Thw'Holy Ghost fell on them." Jesus said : John did baptize with water, but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Gbost. " I'liat is the very same thing that John did with water, Jesus did with the Holy Ghost; the only diffdr^ince betwuan them was, John used the element water, Jesus' used the Holy Ghost. What did Jesus do when he baptized with the Holy Ghost ? He *' poured it out " upon the people: He "sliied it forth" upon thum. "It IViron them." Here the mode of the Holy Ghost baptism is specificall v set fort^. It is by pouring They were not dif^ed, immersed or plunged into the Holy Ghost. The argument is coir clusiye. It is a demonstration . Our op- poneiits say Imptizo is a verb of spectflc action only. Here Is a spc^'itlc action and that spet^iflc action was pouring. The small quibble that then^ is a diflTer- ence between pouring and sprinkling is too puerile to wuhUi anytime over. If my opi>onent says there was nos|MM:itic action in this baptism he gives up his casle. We know that baptism is st^'rip- t.iraliy performed by pouring or sprink- ling. We do not know that it U scrip turally performed when a person is inimersersi(>niRts to say that nothing is baptism but. im- mersion, and that the nuxle is essential. My friend holds that "baptizo" ineansto dip and that you must dip the c^indidate for baptism, that the person niust h.'. handled by an administrator. He said i'hilip Was tne administrator and the eunuch the candidate. In this he la in harmony with immersiontsts generally. Dr. Carson, the greatest of Baptist scholars says : "My position is, that it always signi ties to dip; never express ing any thing but mode." (Cars(m on Baptism P. 55.) Now suppose an ad- ministrator takes a candidate for bap- tism to a tank full of water and puts the candidate under water. He is immeb sed. Suppose instead of putting him under the water of wh*ch the tank is full, he .Inds the tank empty;, puts him ' into it and sprink les or pours water upon the man until he is covered entirely with \f.A f#" :U , r.. 16 THE aX)l'Kl{ LKVERTON DEBATE. w«t(»r, thi' iiinii Ih frmnitrfipd for ho In uiidor wiitor Init lin wiih not (li|>|M'(l or liiiiidlo i. What In tlio iictloii in thi.tcnHci' Tim ri'Hult iniiy iMhuccumpliHlicd In Ih nnd t tlio wat.-r yon Kay lie Ih InniicrHod VVIuMr you tak(« tihn out of the waMir lio Ih notiniincr^cd. It' biiptiHUi nicanx jniincrNion. then tlin candidate h l>a|iti/a'd juMt nH hmfx aH \v' Ih under (li<^ water, When he is tak«n out of the water ho iHnf)tt)apti/.(*(l. ThuHc. roinarlss* apply to aiiv oUwv HpiH-ific action that Itaptiv.o is defin"d to mean. It uiatt^^rN not wheth'r a piTKon partaken of tlie Lord's Snpper, HiftiUfr lBtanr or tank ful. Tne mode of baptinm or the quantity of water «8;■, The proposition for thiseveninii;' is tho as >vas before you last even injur, Ctiristian Mode of Baptism iifcby Immoi sion Only.' I think my friend on the op:)osite side of the hou.so wandered last night from tho proposition". same ^'The a littk- He dw Bit on spiritual baptism. That I do not eonslder to l>o tho chrlstlnn bap- tlmn but OiMrH baptism and His only. The chrlHtiaii baptisnt in aihainlMt>Tod by a chiristlan minister to fhrse wh" wish to br;como chrhtlans. Christ says; (^o nnto all natiiaiH and pt^(*ach tho ^ok* p4>l, hapti/ln^ t\wm In my niinnt ete. Wo have it nowhoro jflven In Mcripture that (fod ^avo man power to administer tho Holy (iliost. Outside of that I tliink W(t are not following; t\u> iroposition I will first offer wane remarks upon tho n'ftn'onn^ mn«lo l>y my opponent to tlie prophycv In Valaehi H: 1 ». "BohoM I will send my meHsenffor, <'te." He said this liad reforone<» to .lohii rh(* baptist. Hero we dlseover firrtt that this mes- s(mjf«'r Is to ICO lioforo tho I^ord and prepare tho way for him, yet the mis- sion of John is a different *' imiiK* vtv. ill Hcpipturt' ItllltlilliHtCI' hut I think |l(»siti(lll I K upon th)^ iiit'ii* to Hie "H«Oiol(l I '." Hcwiid ho I'JIptJHt. t tlliN IIICH- lionl and ct the iniH- rtlto^iU'thcv. lino to Hin en Ho did II ? 118 it iH id noti mid , day of TliH IliH cnniin^ [•('(Incr'H fii^ likRR I.KVKRTON !>KHATK. 11^ \r.i ndinittod thnt into'did nioan iiiuhir hi tMiino pInccH wluui It Mult«^ I hix cmiho. OfcoufHO I do not hlHniMhlni foradvano- Injr all til ' artniio^iU* ho can. tor \\i> U hons to innintiiln hl«i>oMithin. What wo All want Ih to jfot riifht upon th.>in inrtt- teiH. To ffo Into tlio wlldornoHH Im not to ^-o -ndor It any iiioro thiin it would bo m'X'itAHury to ((O undur tins niountnlii wh«n you no Into Jt I admit With ro- foronc.i to tho plotiironof th;i cataoombH. Ho Hayn tho nio»t aliolont «moH r« pr.'Hont ■prinkllnK All thait I havown«n r.'prot«i«nt thorn uit.iiiif ill tliHsop and shall dip V them and the livlnir bird in tho blood of the bird that was killed over tho run- ning water and ho shall sprlnklo upon him that is to be cleabse.i irom tho lo|>- rosy seven times. Here we have a type of the Gospel and of tho plan of salva- tion. The bird that was killed is a type of Christ himself. The cedar wood i-o- representtHl the' cross, the hyssop, the vinegar that was given to hl and tho scarlet, the blood that was shed The llvingo bird represents the sinner who M^iis to be cleansed by dipping in the blood and water. Then the leper was to be sprinkled seven timefti; and if my bpr^nent wishes to take this as a pi*ce- diint he must sprinkle seven titles With ii«l UmIvI' Hury It, mid thnt Ik whiit In to l>» doiin with tin' iKMly of" hIii. Thi^ now ninii HppoaiH by ui^inM: bom ,)r the water Hifd of thu Npirlt. ThuMi- nrt^ not wordn wrlttrn by mii but by iriin who Im our •uthorlty in nil thi)rii« thliiy-M. Tll^.m in no burylnjf with Chilut nnd pulliojf out HIC«ln. Ifwonni doad with Christ wo Hh'ill livo with hlui. rt in tho ttpiritual man tiiHtrlNHHin ('hilHtH kingdom luid rlm«H In nowfifHH of llfo theti. Tim old itiiiii In buriod. Koin, 0: 11, fJknwlHo rockon y»i nlxo vourwUvoM to Ihi d(!Ad In- d«(K| unto Hin but allvo unto (Jml through JoMux Chrint our LonL If you hnv« Im'wii plHiittHl iu likcnutM (frchrirt'H doath you hIuiII jiIno be in the llkommof hl« nwirrcction. Hiiro Ih th« old innn buriod, putaway. John 12: 21, ' Kxcopt a corn of wluwt fall into tho ground and dio It abid^th alono ; but if it die, It brlnfiroth forth much fruit.*' W« do not pull up ^ain as soon an it Is planted, it remains In tlio«rround untlltho objoct Ih accoinplJHht'd for which- It was put thcnv. Cor. 15-lfi, "Thou fool that which thou Howest is hot quiukennd except it al6," *^ Attont dtvcm washing-. Hob. 9; lo, "Which stood only in meets and drinks and divers wa8hlng:s, and carnal ordin- ances, imposed on them uutll the time of reformation . " The lime of reforma- tion. that Is when Chrifit should come, Rom 8: 20, "By the dec^ds of the l\w shall no flesh be justified." When the time of reformation came because there Would he a change of priesthood, Heh. 7:12, there should be,a change of law. Mark 7: 1-5, the washing of hands, of cups, pots and bt-azen vessels. Where washings are tnebtloned In the laws of MosiBs It means entire immersion. This is the Htatoment of the (ttost learned Rftbbis. For if anyone be not washed •lloverheisstlllin his unclean state. If flvi-n the tip of the little fintrt-r »M' le'f out he Is uiicloaii. When the «-han«i; of r»rl»»Htho«| ninie, thefllverM buptlHms of the law weni changtMl to one l>ap- tisin. The gtwiMd is e.ttablJHhefl uud in It there is only one law, one faith, one loid, one baptism. Kph. 4: ft. We thid on one (HTasion the word preaihfid did iu»go«Ml not iH'Ing mlxiil with faith in them that hoard. Heb. 4: 2. Then the argwmciit ".Into." He says "Into dcwM not mean under. When the object went Into the water was it under the water ? The mttin IwKly of water Hnrrounded It. meant under would he not have th;« object under (Hm watflr and ould be ImmerHloit, T care not how it is done if it is only burled. In atr«tiier statement he nnuh* It appear that I said you couhl have a baptism under the Snrnia tunnel. I Miid It would not )w a baptism. He spoke of thredneM. The Egyptians were immerst'd for the salv/j- tion of (Jod'H peopht. The hogs— In this case, " Into " means Into— If anyone in. our day can find a better way to g«»t rf«I of evil spirits we would like to see it don*. By my opponent admitting "into » means under, In this ca^e It proves im- mersion, but this proposition Is not deal- ing with the "effect," but with the ••mode." Le^ the effect be what It ma v. My opponent admits that ^he hogs were immersed^ rtnd I fm-ther chtim t\uiy w W«^ IIikI irhi4cl (lilt (i til it h ill TIm'm iIh' lllto"(i it. not Imvv Jitflr and « not how n nhtitjier Imt I Mil id Jiidrr t|iu not Imi a 'Atal bnp. 'ertt not rn'Ml and w. Th« hPMllVfl- »— In tliiB nyonn In. to gttt rid to8e iull m.viicdf. Anv irtNNjf KiiKllnh IliMn M'hiilar kiiowH that I lilivit ifiven you. not iiiv own tranxliielf^n, liut thi> rmu\x («f thii n^wiarcli of t\w nioHt hmiiiHt and thn iiitwt leariiMd Hihl«4 iw-hdlarH of thti world, aticl I think my IriiMitl know* it too, a* le;iHr ho ou^ht to know it Th*« trituhio In, it U a|,rAlnitt lilni and ho can- not moot tlie arffunicnt ho hii attoniptM to throw a little diint into your nyoM with tlui vain hop«< of pnniuitlnjf you from HHdlnjf how complK^'ly hi» haH falhtl to prove hiH propoMitlon. It' hi* is not a (J reek whohir, why dofd Iim nut jr"t a «p»(*ai rev(\lation to traiifdate the Hlhle M Joe. Smith dlf need, the interpretation of ton)CucH But it may be that the Mor- mon tfod In talkluff, or he In puniuliiff, or ho lit in a journey, or |M^radv»nture he Hieepitth and munt be awaked. If the vernion of Jamen huUb him so well why do not the falthfnl of hlH church use it ? Why did Jo;«. Smith g^it a 8p(%ial re- velation froni heaven to translate th« Mormon Bible if JamvM's verHlon is so pel feet? The fact is no p(H)ple ever found HO much fault witn the Bible as the MormoiiH, and in a statement of their cr.sed, they say, ''We l)eliove that in the Bible Is contained the word of God so far as it is translated correctly." Thus by implication my opponents' church denies th'.i corntctness of the transtatioii of James's version. I oug-ht to l)o witis- tted with King James's version of the Bil»le, if my opponent is, for he is in the position of Mottier Hubbard. Site went to the cupl)oard to get her poor dog a bono, but when she got there the*cup- board was bare, ^o the iwor dog got norie.^ My friend wont to the Bible to And immersion. But he did not And it aud hS cannot And it be!tween the two covers of the Bible because it is not there and he neve/ will And it there. If my op|Kinent wmiUI only mak** an ANNertlon and stick to it I wetH*h he denies saying It, and mntrndictN hiniNelf . In his Afft siMiech he tells us that John Is to pri'imre the way of the Mrd, now he tells \ou that it waw not the mission of .lohn to pn'pare the way of the l.ord and that Mai. :i: 1 >l does not apply to the coming of our Ixinl. Ail scholars agrtw that Mai. •): l-H has reference to Christ and John the Baptist. TIh' very langu- ag«^ Is the same. Mai. H: 1. *' Behold I will MMid my niessager, and he shall prepare the way iiefore me." Mark l:'i, "Behold, I send inv inesMenger before thy face which shall prepare thv way lHffHiA(i. 11(1 ii thnt tlitiH t\w iMiptlntii by (Niuriiifr hut iAy« it WAN HtM) ytiiim AfliT Chrlitt mill that • rhniii^i* hnd tnkitti plnci!. Hint tbfi church iNM-atiii* n|MNit(itii. In thi« lUfttMiKilit tho M-vnitl»iiinii Ih (|uitu iiiIm- HH i 6.V |N)uriiiMr niid not lnuiMnt told 30U thnt thnrn fn» ('i|i«(« of Hpriiikliil)( for 'iAii yonf ("hrint. I now hmK hini to HkMg m aiiif rniHi of hAptlHin hy iininurMlon lu'fom thi< tlniHof 'I'itvuIIIaii A. I). *2«iff.!i H«< f«nnot Mini A NiiiKli* iiiMtAiico of iininiTtion for thu firiit two huii^innUitf H' hurtnl of thn Ninirlo dip iininoriiion of my till! iHH-ond contury, jiwt iift^r thn ffl^Ath 'Kppoiimit. All tho iiniiKiriilon Im knew of John, Hiid loKk thAn a tmndr**d ymm Any thiiiff iiliout w iM^iriniiinff of thti proMmnri'cntury, nfUir n buriAl of iimiiy centuri(i«. Tho RiiptiHtury in wliioh it WAA found WAM UHed for th« puqN)tMi ot^l ( baptitiin in thu dAys of thu hoAthoii \mr^t NMUtioiiM of tho church. C'hrlMt in rv- pr«iH»itt«'d AH stAiidinif in the wAtor, whiht JiQ^n in -. Rtandin^ on the imnk pouring|«|%||^r on his hend. Th« nnti quAri >u j^ lKlrtt [j |JgU ^he verv dati; in lbec4mtu'|^Hl|A|^hi^^intii)(£or en- gtavlng ^|PM[^||iP^t>><) trhAfActor d the ^oria^^l^l thiH.dig||bAck almost to ^i^^(^)sof Johli.'^o you oan M^e how!Vm'kle88 was the stateinont of my opponent in gavinn^ it wan three htmdred yuarH later than Chriat. He flaya like so many others that the mode of baptism was hy immersion in tho«e early days of the church. If they were immdrsionlsts in the first century, how did it happen that they all reproHentcd Christ's baptism by pouriiif^? When men picture a thing* they always picture it according' to their idea of thei thing. Why did not these ancient Christians of • ■ ■.:'■■■-.■: :.: ■ ■' ■'.■ ■■'/■ .-■A-::- ■ '" ' thr^i^ dip* and the nindidati', naked an Adam and Kvo befort^ the tali. My friend told you there wai a chuiiKe in the third century ill tne tU'Mle of bAp- tisin, yes tiiere was a eliAiige. It wam fhnn Mprinkliniror |)ourinir to immer sion or three dips. JKlMy^n^H Mud a cam^ of ininiersion in^VBHAiAiire of \^^ ' i'liiirch for '20(1 .vJlidHBll'i willjpi^ product) such a tAHIMi^fthnot. Tlie gentleman told you that the bird in Lev. 14: IS, diiifMid in the IiIchkI, whh A ty|)e of the sinner immersiHl. We reply that he is mlHtaketi and only gives us a far fetchitd opinion. The leper was a type of ilie sinner and his cleansing a type of the cleansing by the baptism of the Holy (fhost. But the le|)er was not iminerH(Hl. He Was sprinkled seven times, Lev. 14: 7." i^ Again he says the eunuch was not reading Isa, ^ir\b. I pointed out to you that he was reading a paragraph des- cribing the hufTerings and work of Christ and tliitt there were no verses and no chapters, then in the Bible and though the whole paragraph is not quoted in Acts H, yet he inddubtedly read the whole paragraph and when he carbei to the text, "So shall he sprinl^le many »■' *» Ion rffirH^iit •rulnii ? n*i- fun ti«|)ti«t*(| I I f !•• fjuinot iiMTtloii for iiltitr Clirliit, IMiXt Hpiici(*ti. iiMorHioii by knowlcdiro- [>ur Lord rn iilliiin iii'vor tmloii of my )ii Im knew iiinitrHioii or :«•, linked hh (hII. Vly ctmiiKo in hIh of b«p- ifC. It WMM to liniuor \ Hnd n cnm i;re of Ulf ,.' ihiiot' lat tho bird bl(KKl, WHH Wo reply ffTivoN ua a tpor wag a loansiiig a liaptistii of M)r wfiH not (led soven li was not out to you rraph de«- rkof Ciirist M*M and no imi thoug:h quoted iu ' read the he earbei to li^le many THK (XKH'KlM.KVKim)N DIUUTK' n If uiidnrxKMMl it iiM'aiit \m\. tlnioul, in Ifty Itixt rtiid H4pfl» i»ot rotor t'wnh litptkiuNi l>v HpfliikiiiiM' to iMipilKiii ttt ail. Ml l?» ii qiiot i| tr» prov.' liitt |)o«»l Ay:iilii ii«M|iinCiMl THiw3:A.H, 'lit l/i« Nlmpiy ImjfH tin- «uM-«tloii himI mv^nl uh, by llw wanliitttf of r- gimwrii-^ n«»«UWM'»i llmt liiiiMMriiloii In wilrrr «l to lion and r.iM'wln^ oflhw Holy (Hio«t.'* Iit«n » lib out iiiiv proof, 'l*b.« OHM \m\f Now tbiM l* no f»'l«'r«n»»'« «* nllUHkm to *t(ltn' ill tbiM toxt 14 tho r.'nl iMiptlNtn, that of th(« Holy OlitiNt, and tho biiptiMii with wiitMr l»« Hunlollf of tln« r»Mtl 'i'bii iii)nK> of tiNptlNiii In not liap tirtiii it>«>lf mid tbin tfXt NiiyH not «iii«* wor I tilHiut iiiodit It Niniply auMcriN tli'it tlioro Ih oii<> l»iptiNiii witlinut HtalbiK i«>^ it It p'ui'ornn'i. My opiMniont hhKh, d.iptiMm in tblNtHxt «iAnM<«iid if ilMijni Wrro an alln»ion to Ku^iiun tl would not provi' IniiiiiTiiloii V My upiMiiM'iil tjmitwWwIi. 1<»s VW. Hw told you iliHt our liiartHiro noti'liMinwid liy HprinklliiK l'"ul MMfHJnm tlif »on tr!iry : "liuviuK «•«•'■ '>•*»'»'♦ Hprlitkl«Hi fniiH an vvll lonm'ii'iun ilMd «Mir liaUM"* \': It M pMrlornii'M. ,»iy opiMiunm iihm<, innn hm im II ««Himi« >■» •' •»»•■ "•«' ..„..-- quoTlnif tlii^tuxt, "oiiofaltli, oin< loni, wnMhf|i|d." Ilu) tuxt has no refuri'iuo to wat# baptlHin of aiiy kind, for hIiim are n(i| washed e lUil wauhe fiiibpniatiea one to Hay, tbcrti is but on« way to oxucutn a eiiuiinal. Suppose a man, tookinj/ at the d(«Ml iioly y wattsr. My oppoiient is fond of <|UotinM: I^ev^ll: IB. He lias told uh tiin story of tlieftiird in each Hpeecli so tar and we may «JX|M5ct to hoar of tliis bird several times Isifore the deliate cli»ses. He is inistakem, how- ever alMHit tiie liirtl representing the sinner immersed. 'I'lie hi|.er represents tlui Hinnel' or is a tvpe of the sinner. Tin* leper was sprinkled to cleanse him and tbishprinkling is called liy l*aui a baptism. It was symbolic of tin' rw^' baptism or cluaubing of tiie Holy (jihost. We now come to the gontloman's great proof text. He aiiys if there Was nothing more in tlie Bible than thistext, It would bo proof enougli for him that tlm mode biiptiam is by immersion. The text is John B: 5, "Kxcept « man bo born of Kir ^' /I ■ .- II ( ■ ui' 22 THE COOPER-LEVERTON DEBATE. irotL "tr ^"^ "P J . '\«.r«V" '* ''"**"' uothl,,|r In this t<,xt to prove, lmm«^«(on- intothe -Kingdom of God." Utu8«x How does inuu...-Hion resmu(,l„ a birth ? .examine th.sproot t(,xt, Niml.u.us Ouroppoiicu and iinmcrgioniHfs gen -r- was ,:ruer oftho Jov.s. Ho .-mno to Ally mix upth.,so Hvn.bolK. OM^tim. Jesus for information. J.«U8 «ald "ox- imn.er^ion r.prcM.nts a birth, anotlu.' cept a man be born ag-ain. " Nicodomns did not understand J(?Hii>4. Again Jesus said "excepta mnn be born of wator and of the Spirit." NIcodenuw did' not understand Vet. It was still a inystcrv to^im. Now If being " [)orn of wafer " slnjlply meant immersion, and if as jour oppononf^clainis Johi) had been imi^ersing multitudes all sumfnei'. Holw on earth was it that a ruler of [the Jews did not understand what Jelus meant ? Surely if -horn of water isjso simple, ^o plain, he would under- stind it at once. There is no great mVstery about immersion. The fact is "born of water " does no? refer to bap- tism at all. Is itjriicessaiy that thei-e should be a birth of water and a birth of spirit? If it ^- then a man must be orn again twice. Or is the born of bter half i^ birth and the birth of spiMt a half birth and does it require these two halves put together to make one )»vhole birth? However- we look at It jthe explanation is ab.surd. ," Born of /water and of the spirit" are two phrases /that mean the safne^ig and are used i fbr efiiphesis just as our Saviour use.s: / yerily. Verily, and just as Jesus savs in , Matt. 3: 11. "He shall baptjze you "with the Holy Ghost and witj[i fire." There are not two baptisms here promised, one of the Holy Ghost and one of fire. The two phrasea niean the same thing. Water i.s used as the symbol of the Spirft John 7: a7-36, "He that believeth on me as the Scripture hath said,, out of his belly shall flow rivers of wate/ (but this spake he of the spirit.)" Water is thus used by Jesus to symoblize the spirit and the passage is propsriv inter preted thus, " Except a man be born of the * ■ time a burial, again the death of Clirist. Heing planted. Now how can it repre- sent all these things? The theory is utti'riy absurd. My fricml has been driven to concede that " into"an(l "out of" do fiot prove; immersion. He mxyn "I hav(« nevtT claimed that going ' Into" or coming '-out of" mean baptism " Ho has surrendered his case conipletelv so tar as " into "and "out of ' anfconcern- ed But he still claims that the mean- ing of "baptizo ' is to immers.} and nothing else. Now let us examine the lexicons on this word. I will quote but » few of the great authorities on "BaptQ,"tht« root of baptizo. I avIII not give all they say bu^ a few of fho pri- mary meanings they attach to the word, Immersianists claim that the firimarv meaning of "l)aDfo" is to "dip " ThiH absurd claim has been made for vears by the great awd the small, until many believe it to be true. Let us now look at some of the best and ablest of the great lexicons. Ursinijss Greek Lexicon : "Bapto," to stain, dye, wash, cleans/, (abluo), to sprinkle (aspergo). Groves, Greek Lfexicon : ^iipto, to wet, moisten, sprink le, dye, sta1 rt, color. GA2E8 : Bapto, to stain*; d\e, to pour any thing into or on any thing, t^ shed forth. ^ KouMA ; Bapto, shed forth or sprinkle. Stephanus : Bapto, stain, moisten/ pour upon. ^ I will now give you a fewexamplkof the e.arlie»t occurrences of the word "battt^;' that have been found, that vou . may ^ee how entirly unreliable are the statements of immersionists who tell you that it always means in aU Greek liter- en J^ K-^ of th e s^rit he cannot ature to dip, or immer e . The poet enter the Kmgdon, of God. There is Homer lived a thousand year^ beE ?r' tHE COOPKR-LEVEUTON DEBATE. 23 'ov(vininie«'«(on/ m)il)l(j a biithi' I'sioniHfK y<'ii 'r- oIk. ()ii(« tiiiuv birth, viiiothci' ioiith of CliriHt. w can it r«pn^-" TIk! theoi'v Is 'ml Iian bmiii uto"nii(l "out 4if)ii. Ho s;vy(4 It <,':oinjf ' Into" baptism." Ho completely so ■' anfconcern- hat the in(?an- iiumerH»5 mid s examine tbo will quote but uthorities on zo. I will not 'ew of fho pri- h to the Avord, the j^rimarv "(lip." ThiH ado for years I, until many t us now look ablest oflhe n: *'BaptOi" s.(^abluo), to 1 : B^pto, to , stalrt, color, dve, to pour liHff, t^ shed 1 or sprinkle, lin, moisten, examples of of the word nd, that you . Fiblo are the who tell you Gr»^ek liter- Dhrlst He {fives up an cxffmple of "bapto" in Batrach 5: 218; of a fropf pierced in battle, he says; "He fell without even l()okinjf upward, and the lake ((ibapteto) was tlnjfed with blow!. H«>re the small deKcate drops of hinoa that Hpu!i out from the veins of the frovet ; to ^v^^hat are 's proposi- on. What i^ reckless rth defines ve produce sort to the , those are - t they are iral mean- THR C(X)PER-LKVERTON DEBATK- 2f) IR; lEVERTOmODRTH SPEECH. Mb. Chairman, Ladieh AKnfiKNTiiE- EN:— You will observe that the En}»"liHh ranslation of the Bible was to b»' tlie evi- enco that we are to rt'ly upon hi this iiscuasion, but.,mv friend has taken up Host of his time in translating Greek to s. We must have had very stupid ranslators to ffiye us such an inipcrfect iBible. He does not adiiiit of any of the passaeeH beinff in our favor. He says that there are many misquotations made by people in support of innnersion. Turn to Kom. 6: 4. "Therefore we are bnrie^d with him by baptism into death, that, like as Chri.st was raised from the dead * * * even so we should walk in newness of life." Dr. Adam Clark savs this has reference to immersion,' the whole man being planted into the water and rising out of it t^ a new life. In Gol. 2: 12 Wte rea'd, "Buried with him in baptism wberein ye are also risen with him." The person is buried in the wateir as Christ was under the earth. The^ncient manner of baptism is as manifestly given here as that of spiiuk- ling before eating, etc. is elsewhere Thev had to wash at such times, but for cleansing thev had to be planted mto the water: Lightfoot says that dipping was a Jewish custom. In this passage, Rom. 4: 6, the apostle alludes to the manner of putting people into the water aud^ raising them up aga|n . Bury ing implies attaining an end : "To be buried is a stronger exptression than to die.'' Nearly all commentators support the idea that this means bi^ptism. Barn«8 says it is altbgether probable that the apostle had theideaof innnorsion. This verse ca!mot be understood unless we take it to mean immersioui With re- ference to Kom. 6: 4, Col 2; 12 we have the authority of Dr. Doddridge, Bishop Dr^ Adam Clark says :— " We are bul'ied, '^K. It Is probable that the apost- le here alPndes to the modi'! of baptising by immersion, the whole body being put und«fr water, which slcai]|iied men. It was the Ancient way but there was a ohangre, that waB what was meant by the apostle when he said ; the earth is turned upside down ; because they have chang^Hl the law and the covenant. The law was given in Matt. 28: 19-20, not say how often it is translated "into' . It is translated "into" of tener than any oth 'r way. I do not expect you to be- li'jve what 1 8n the quantity or the quality of water nor ui>on th(^ inodeofifs nn- plication." Baknem is misrepresented. He was not an immersionist. He savs in hfs note on Matt. 8: «j, " It cannot bcvproved from an examination of the passngvK in ^he 0ldand New Testament, that the idea of ft complete immersion ever was connected with the word, or that it ever .In any case occurred." Calvin did not immerse and is mis- represented also. He says :— "Whether the person baptized is to be whollv im- mersed, and that whether once or thrice, or whether he is only to be sprinkled with water, is not of the least conse- quence. ' Calvip does not support his proposition of immersion only. Bejsa taught that .^ohn the Baptist I)oured water on the people in baptism. Bloompield is misrepresented. He says on Acts fi: 88, '^Philip seems to have taken up tl^ water with his hands and pouted' it copiously on the eunuch's head.";JMark 7:4, he urges does not imply immersion. ■^ LiOHTFOOT is misrepresented also. He says the word "baptismous," proper ly and strictly is not to be t^iken of dip- Ing or plunging. , I ut in respect of some- things washing only and in respect of others, sprinkling only, (note on Mark 7:4). Doddridge says in his comment on the baptism of Cornelius, "According to this vietvtho most natural supposition is that they were baptized bv rourine" or sprinkling/' "> * ._, Dr. Kleeburgb w;as too ybUng a man to l^ an authority oti Jewish bap- tisms. He still lives if he has not died s ince 1 8 70 and knows no more about baptism than any other wdinary Jew Neither Whitefield nor Dean Standby practiced immersion. They admltted it as valid but hell that bap- tism by sprinkling was equally valid and they both practicid ' baptism by sprinkl- In reply to my argimient that the Jordan Was too swift to stand in and baptize m many as went out to J©hn for baptism. My opponent Kays Kaaman went and dipped in .Jordan sevei. times, I showed you that the-law of cleansing the le|)er was by sprinkling. Lev. 14:7, and that Naaman did not dive under the .Jordan seven tinw's. He simply dipped his hand in the water and sprinkliBd himself. The disease was local, not of the whole body. "And strike his hand over the place and recover the leper.'* Naaman was told to go and wash (He- brew' "rachats ; which never means im- merse or dip, but to po"ront, drip) seven • times in Jordan. He went and did as he was commanded, dipped (Hebrew, "tabhal", which all great authorities teU us is used where the object Is merely touched by the liquid in part or iti whole, and which primarily means to " sprinkle.) The Septuagent renders "tabhar by Baptizo here, but in Gen. .87: 81, the Septuagent renders "tabhal", "nioluno", showing that '^baptizo" and moluno are interchangeable and all will concede that moluno means to sprinkje. My opponent comes back to Roma*nB 6: 8-,5 and asks what viredo with a corpse. He says we burv it and he told you that is what he does with the body of sin when he immerses a man. He told .tou ^hat the old inan ifi buried, but when my friend puts a man under water and pulls him outagain,itisthe same old man, flesh and blood that he put under the water. The water^did not wash away any^sin and there is no body of sin left in the water. This does not represent Christ's death and burlap Christ did , not die under water but upon a cross. Christ was not buried in water but in a stone sepulchre. This cannot be taken literally any mofj' than the statement, 4 : .4 ■■ 5- .. H press purpose lispute," that ty sprinkling. .; » " 1 *' f V '■'■f::V'..\ "/'■^^^Ifc . THE COOPKRLEVRRTON DEBATE. 28 :;we«reeruc.«..iwHhChrisr- We ^^Tt^:^-?^^^^^^ are not literally cruciHed, n"»«f « ^ ^^X" to w««h, or to cleann. or to cro«,. We are notjltera.ly p)a'^^^'^ «« Si /-Greenfield, Green, rii-kerlng. «;orn' or potatoes. There l« no reHcinbl ance between planting corn ami imnier- •ionor dippinK, When my Wo^d dli* a person he pulls him out of ttie water. When he plants corn he dot^s not cover it UP for a second and then tal^e it out again. If this ordinance is to show forth lh« death of Christ tlieh we have two ordinances to «how fonh the same thing, for the apostle sayfl, 1 Cor. li: ^, "For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup. ye do show the Lords death till he cH)aie." We thus have no purify :-Oreenfield, Green. l^»-kerU.g,, Groves. Robinsori, Donnegau. and Sch- revellus. Now how w««7»« ""« P*;;" formed of the hand«? '2r.d Kings ».U. "Here Is EUsha, the sou ofShaphat that poured water upon the handn of B.lUft>V How is cleansing performed m the Bible? Numbers 8:.7. "And thus shalt thou do unto them to cU'anse them : "sprinkle" water of purifying upon them." To purity is a defliiation of bap- tlzo How was purifying p«ie," We thus have no ^n rprinkje upon the unclean * ordinaiH^e tor^present thework of the ^^^^j'jji;;'*'^, J,,,^ d*.v he shall Holv Ghost. ^ , . l"Bhawedyouth..t the Jews washed their hands before eating. Mark 7: 1, 8, Luke 11: 38 And that this washing of the hands was called a baptism by Luke. Mv friend pretends to quote Maimonides toVrove that they completely immersed tUgfnselves before eating. But Maim- onides does not say they completely im- mersed themselves betbre eating. He and orthVsev^nthdiv he shall purify himself." All these washings, dean- ings and purifications were called by an , inspired a,x,stle, "Diver's Baptisms Heb. 9:10. ' , .. Immersionlsts also constantly quote . the. histories to confirm their theory. Let us examine some of them, bchatt, a ffr«at «hurch historian, says (Lauge, - .^ „^^ ftJm 6- 4) '^the efficacy of the Pacra- mersed themselves before eating. Hr *^°"™' ,^^*;„^ ^ end ^ is speaking of e.traorainary d.^l.m -t -"^^^tf Water, nor upon the mode ««*! «av8 thev wer^ i-equired to wr.sn me 4"" - »;^« » :Sl:rs a"--, ^n «:r "'^S^H?^ist..P.197)-ys:Man. not say they i"'«'«>««d Imt hat th^^, .^^erstitious persons Imagine, from at- washed. Hhe had said they •^minsca » J o much importance to exter- themselves that wouW. not make it so. ^^^"^^ ^^^ ^v sprinkling was not He lived eleven hundred years too late "Jl^' T Tj^.^^e condemns and prpnoun- to know of what he speaks.^ He was an .valid. _ Arab and converted to Judaism in he ces^^^ history of the churchy is a twelfth century after Christ Ur^J^"'/ standard work and used in many theolo- the most learned of Baptists m llabbmie «*^^f^^^^^^^^ He says (Ancient Church literature-says: Maimonides was ^«'- gf^' ^v ^Sec. 3rd. chap. 2. page 196) fectly besotted in the i'';«/'«'""« ;" Thl g^ript^^^-'^ ^"^^^ no very specific which their boasted knowledge chiefly '^^J^^^^ ^, ^^ t^e mode of baptism consists and consequently , even he can- J^Sir i^v ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ notbemueMependedon;be8idesl)e.hved ^^^^^ ^^^^ translated baptize in our about six hundred years ago authorized version always signifies to ■ waspraoticed author^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^ ^ ^ clearly shown, to be incorrect and ttiat baptism does not necessarily irtiply dip- ping The ordinance was intended to therefo r e could know what was practiced *no l>ettev than no in our SaviDur;8 day many can Itnownpw. It must be remembered that the lexi- cons give perhaps twenty meaning- when ed. ' prove I ."' ».'»«*. "'•-'"■;• ;'".:^V^ ■ ilnjf of ( or to (id Sch- i^ per- iHt thiit KUjah." ill the IH Hhalt them : jr upon I of bap- ^ 'ormed ? n person ♦ ♦ * 1 purify , clean- ed by an, iptisins " y quot6 , theory. Schaff, (Lauge, le pacra- Fintitv oi- the mode ^'g : Many, from at- to exter- s was not , prpnoun- urch is a ny theolo- tit Church page 196) ry specific >{ baptism I that the ize in our ignifies to has b e en / THE COOFER-LEVEHTONVDEBATE. » convey the Idea of wHshhip or purirving, and it is obviouK that wator may be applied In innny ways uh ». ineaiis of ablution." My f riotid thinkh that the early fatiwrs sustain him, but they do not. I will quote « few of the in. I might quote many more bnt my time is limited Hiid these will enable you to see that he is Biistaken Jkhomb, v;. 341, a42. "And I wllJ pour out upon vou clean out * * * so that upon the belitfving and those converted, T will pour out the clean water of saving baptism. meaning and that to immerse.^ He has l)een forced to admit that it has many meanings. . He came to prove that the mode is by immersion only, that there is one specific act required and that is dip. I compelled him to admit that a man may lie down in a tank and have Water poured upon him until he immmersed and no dip take place, that the candi- date iKted not be Jiandled, that l)apti8m denot^»jy^ "But sprinkling our. I sliowed vou tliat our Saviour according to the law was the cleansing of sin, through faith purifying the people by the sprinkibg of blood (Psa. 60: 9); A sacrament of the future sprink- ling by the blopd of the Lord." > DiDYMus Am3x., 71.S saVs : "And the ver^- image of l)aptiim bot^ continually liruminfttHtl^and saled Israel at that time— as Paul Wrote (1 Cor.^ lo: (1, 2); and as prophesied" by fczek. H(>: 'Is, 2«. "I will sprinkle clean water upon you," and David (I'sa. .f)!: 7) ''Purge me with hyssop and I shall he clean. " CvKiL of Jerusalem. 4ia; says : "Thou seest the po^'er of baptism * * * Ho will sprinkle upon you clean water." Cypuian savs, 1()82 : But it is necessa- ry that the water be first purilied and sanctified i)y the priest', that it may be able by its own l>apti8m tq wipe off the sins of the baptized man, and through Ezek. the prophet, the Lord says : "I will sprinkle .you with pure water." No Latin father, during the first two hundred and fifty years of the church ever rendered '"aptizoby"immergo,"nor is thi^ro. a Greek tiiat during,that time ever rendsred baptizo by Kataduo, im- nierfie. It was not until after the third century that those t e rms wei-e int r oduc- M'as not immersed, that ho stood in the water while John poured the water upon his head. He next appealed to the eunuch's bapiism but was comi)elIed to surrender the case admitting that 'into" and "outof " do not imply immersion^. He appealed to John 3: 5, to Itomans (5: 3-5, Coll. 2: 11-12. I showed yotrthat tliese texts had no reference whatever to water baptism, not a single father, Latin or Greek, fejyriac, or Arabic, for th(v first three centuries ever refers to Rom. 6: 3-5; Coll. 2:12, "Buried by bap- tism into death, "as water baptism. He appeale:l to Wesley, Clark, Bcza iand many others but I showed you that these authors were all misrepresented. His texts have all failed him. (1) I show- ed the diffi^rence all the lexicons make between the classical and New Testa- ment meaning of baptize. ' During a certain limit(Hl period of Greek history baptize signifies to put under, sink and to drown and during that time in all cases of baptism the thing or person was put down under and left at the bottom. In the New Testament baptizo never means to drown. 1 1 mear.s a change of condition. (2) I next showed .you that in Mark 7: 3, and Luke 11: 88, where waehing before eating is spoken of, that in Mark " nipto" is used, in Luke "baptizo" is used, showing that"nipto" ~^ .> ; and that iitiply dip- inteuded to ed. J\i1.y opponent came a long way to prove to you that baptiSb has but one ■■■ .: . - ■ ■■' ■ : :■ ■ .'f-'T'iHr'',- -■' ►v!l.- t i^'-l'^-X^. '»■;;,; J ^ .■WW-,'**.?, 30 TH K CCX)I*tiR-LK V KiriX)N DEftATK; A \ niid "littptiKo" arc interchaiigonblu. Washinu- of haiulH in callud bHptiHni and wa8 |>f)rionnu(l by |K)ui-ln{|^ wator upon the hand 2nd. Kln^jn 3: 11. Th«io waa no imintrHian. (IJ) I ii«xt Hhowod you that in Mark 7: 4, th i hiptUin of bitilH (KUnoOn) inakoD iniinurHion utterly ini- posdibln. . .^ (4) I took up th(^ baptlRtn of Ifirapl \n the sea ind intiiu cloud. 1 Cor. It): 1-! Exod. 14: l(>-22 and Phr, 66: 7-10; Ps 77: 16-20 I ahowcd you that Inrrtol w^ft baptized by the raui flprinklin^f down from ths cloud upon them, and thii Egyptia ris iverc immersed, not Imptl zed t5 Exod merged" in Greek laraeliti 1,4,5,10, "They wefe im^. (tabha in Hebrew; kataduHan ; submersi Hunt in Latin.) The 8 were baptized, the Ejfyptiana and their immersion r er8:2li tizcd b^ wore inimerHOd proved fatal. (6) I snowed you that in 1 Peter Moah and his family were bapt keeping them out of the water, for ^ey ro.le upon the top of it, and that the Antedeluvians were inimerBed. The immersion^was fatal! j||k . .1 Hhowed yau that Vpiswine wf/re, immersed and it was fatal to them. My friend thinks the drowing of the swine was a baptism. If he were to baptfize by drowning which was the meaning of the word frequently in classic or heathen Greek, he would not get rtiany eonyetts (6) I showed you that many of th« lexicQiis give wash, cleanse and purify as New Testament meaiiingspf thaword baptizQ and in H^b. 9: lo, Paul shows Qs that all the Jewish puriKcations, washings and,cleansings were by sprink- ling. (7) I then took up the case of the baptism of the spirit and showed you that God in baptizing with the spirit represinits it as "defending" John I: B2 pouring Acts 2: 17; *' shedding forth" Acts 2: 83. "falling upoa*"Act« 11:15; *Wming upon" Acts I: 8. "sent from on hiWh," Luke 24:49, "Given to," Acts 15:\8, "Breath(!d on," John 20: 22. I shoW(>d you that if the Holy Ghost bap ti8in\i« l)y pouring thiMi baptism with water, the symbol ol real baptism Hhould\ bj by pourinTIS2s/i:. SECOND PROPOSITION FOR DISCUSSION. Infant IUptism is of Bible Authority. SK(X)ND KVENINO. Hfl. COOPER'S FIRST SPEECH. Mr. Chairman, Laoirs AND Gbntlb- iiENi-^The qu<;stion Inifore "s in an im- portant one and involves the ^rent fun- damental doctrines of Christidhity. Let ^8 enter upon the discussion of It with a sincere desire to know the whole t>uth and to this end let us as farns possible divest ourselves of all prejudice. I am glad that my opponent is a man of yeai-8 and experience and that ho has able asinistnnce in his brother elders who have come here to hblp him^present his side of the question. If my oppo- nent with the able assistance he has secured, cannot overthrow my arffu- ments, ray position is established be- J^^l^-^**^''- I^ proving this proposition I shairiiresenrTo^lwr tlwr fV^^ arguments :— ' - 1. The church of God \3 the same throu^ht all dispensations. God put infant children into his church. Infant children are still in the church, unless it can be proved that God put them out . or authcriised some one else to put them out. 2. That baptism was instituted for the same end and in the place of cii*- cumcision. Circumcision was admini- stered to infants. It foilows that the above proposition being tru^*, baptism should Im) administered to infants. rt. The covenant of circumcision is the covenant of grace. Infants were in- cluded in this covenant and the seal of the covenant which was circumcision, was by divine command administered to infants. Baptism whint out to UH tho chiiptor iMiptiko to him in tho mount Sinn, niid with our ifttli(ir»; whorwoivcd tlio livdly oraclflH to g-iv'* unto us." Tiiirt provos that th(f Church oxintod hundrodH of yoarH biifoni jNintocoHt. This Church poHH:^8H(>d all tlio char- act(;ristics that thw church to-day posst^H- 8e8. 1. Tho Lord was with thu Church in the wildcrneaa. Acts 7: 8H. 2. Th(i Holy Spirit wAs with tho Church. Acts 7: 51 ; Num. 11: 25-29; Ne- hom. 9: 20; Isa. 08: 7-ll;2 Chron. 20: Ift- 14. B. Thifl Church had laws from the raouthof the. Lord, N«h. 9: 12-14. '." 4. This Church had a place of Divine worship, Acts 7: 41. 5. In it there was tho rcadinjg^ of God's word, Nch. 9: 8. 6. In it the people sanjf God's praises, Psa. 22: 22. 7. It had divinely appointed tcAchers. 8. It had faith, Exod. 4: 31; 2|Chron. 20: 20. 9. In it repentance was taught, Ezofev 83:20. V - V ^ 10. In it there Avere ordinances, cir- cumcision and the pa8,sovor, HomanH 2: 28, 29; Rom. 4: 11 ; Dent, lO: 1(5; Acts '7:B1. -* ■ ' --' ;■: ■ - il. God's people tordoy are called the "eccle8ia"or Church, God's people were called an " e cclesia" o r Church in 2nd. Kin i«lto the li^^it of rifrhtcoUNneNH. Wlieiiever, (}(kI ca'h'd' out a |mrent, lie hIho caliiMiput his child. In G(ui. 17: 17, infants are Hpccilit'd. CknI said to Noah : "Come thou and all thy hoani', ' Gen. 7: I. The Church In the^ «wildt'riii'HM consiHted of N|tL'«it womeii and cliildnni. Acts 7: Jl«d(iy." Agtain when God coinmaiuhid hisClmrch to be /fathiM'ed "togethur, tho children were included, Jov^l 2: KJ, l7. "Assoiiqhie the elders, ji^atlier tho children and those that suck the breasts." We .have l»0re the Chu'ch («5kkle«ian) assembled. I(n- fants were included in it,, " thosii that suck the brea^^8."^ God nM'oJrnijsi'd the infant cliildren as membern of his Church by the same ordinance tiiat was admini,- stered to their parents. Tliat ordinance was circumcision. Baptisincame in the' place of circumcision, Col. 2: 11, 12. We have proved that God put infants into his Church and recog-nized them as Hif^mbers, by an ordinance that is now superceded by baptism. LJn less some one can point out chapter and verse when and whore God put infants out of his church, they must roiniiin m it and receive the ordinn,nCe of (luiptism in re- cognition of their meniborship. Qur s'icond argument is founded upon tlie.tiict that baptism was inAtituted for the sa/ne end and in the place of eirciim- cision. In order to show this clearly I shall go back to the time when God made man in his own image and placed Chron. 20; 14; Psa. 22: 22^25; Acts 7: 38, B. C. 898; B. C. lOll ; B. C. 1500. The word "ecclesia signifies the called out from." That is from the darkness of him in the garden of Eden, able to stand, yet liable to fall. Man disobeyed God and fell. In his fallen condition man required Salvation, Salvation in- TIIK (.X)()I'I>:U I.MVKU'l'ON DHBATK 81 iflitcouiinuiiH. II puront, lit) I (J(«. 17: t7, altiit with < l)tiUu8 • • • ydur )»ld(^8t untnr. r>rd thy Owl le Lord thy ny." Agftiin 'liuri'h to bo ildron w«i'0 fl4nit|ble khd I HiiU thofun .luvo h0re 'iiiblod. f^n- ''tlioHti! that (yjjTHissi'd tho )f lurt Church vvuH adininir it ordimiiict) came in thu% 11. 12. W« infant!) into 1 them as that 18 now itloHS Bom» V ntid Verse ifitnta out of in in it and >t(Hm in i*e- i|). unded upon istituttid for e of eirciim- lis clearly I when God aiid plncRd ^\u\(Hi the pardon of man'HHln orjuHtl- llnition and the nninvliijf of hlH iintiu«i or rc«:<'ii«'iHtloii. The iiardonof uinn'N Hin could only Im' accoiii|(llMln'd throu^Mi the aloninu- doith ufi hiisr. Ileb. !): 252. "Without Hlieddiuu- of bItMHl in tio nunirt- »loh, ' TIU' rcimwal of hdihh iiatiiic muHf l)o crtcited throViVfh llie nff.'ncy of thti lloK (rlirmt. .John IJ: •» H, •'Kxccp* a mini he hyin * * * ,>f ^\^^, ^j,|,.j, j^. cannot enter into the kiiivrdoiii of (Sml '' "Ye muHt In- horn a/^aln. " • '.So h ev«'rv one th-it Ih J.»Min „f the Spirit." Man ^muHtlH" tatl;r|,t the ncccMNity of the Ha- crifkial death of Chii.m. aiidlli:' necen- Hity of tlie ri'iiewal of IiIn natiiiT 'riii'rti> are the two ^rrent finidaniental trurliH in r.od'H NchetiKt of rcdeiiiptioii. They are HpiritunltliithHaiidiiiviHil^le. (JiMl^rave man i-ertaiii object Ii'khoiik or illuHtia- . tiouH to keep ever b«'for« him tlicMe truths. From the dayn of (niii and Abel (mmI wjintcdmaii to reco^i'iiize the truth that. " Without HheddiiiH- of lihiod there Ih no remisHion." When Abel oflered the slain lamb on (he MacriHcial altar, he recoj>nized thiH tiutb and his faith looked forwanl to the -tj.amb of (»od, HJain from the foumhition of the world;" (iod whis pleaHid with Abel's ott'iTiiiH' because lie reco^iiiiz-d that h(^ was a sinner and that the blood of (hrihi must b',sh(Ml lor him. Cain in hisofter- tiifi- of ♦the fruits of the ^niamd" did not recoH-ni^se the neces.sitv of the shed bl.HMl of Christ. Hence : "The l^-d had n- Hpect unto Ahel and hfs otrcrlnu, but unto Cain and |iisotterin{4' he had not respect." ri:Rt! patriarchs recognized this great truth by off'.irinjf sacrifices and kindling- altar fir<'s. (Jen. H; 2o. "Aiid Noah buildcd i.n altar unto the Lord : and took cvt^ry clean beaut, and of C!Veiy clean fowl, and ottered burnt lOfferinjrs on the altar. Aiuanr also ^biiilt altars unto the Lord, Gen. 12; 7,8 he necessity of an atonement was re- |ognizBd by the sacrificial offerin;^ fr6ni Abel up to the departure of Israel out of Kj^vfit when the I'aHsovur wiih hmtltut- ed. HxihI. 12: I 27. "In the tenth day of thii* month, they nhall take to them every man a lamb • * • And they Hhall lake the b|(M>d and strike It on the two Hide poHtH and t,n the upper door post of the liofHeM • • * mid when I Hce the IiIimhI, I will paHMoveryou * • • And this (lay hiiiiII be nnio you for a memorial : an<( ye nhall keep it a feant to the Lord throughout your genera- tions." The Klaift lamb was a type of Christ. '•'IiIh feast, the Passover, kept before Israel tlu' ^reat truth, the nnceti- iilty of thesacritlcal (h'ath of ChriHt. I* wflH a memorial and obstirved eacii year, Heb. 10: l-l. "It was "a shai ow of good things t<'come,'' and not the very image 4)1" the things " "Hut in thes*> HacriMceH there is^a reriiembrance again made of sins every year." All the«e Hacritices |M>inted to the one great sacrifice of Christ. Dming the Mosaic disf-ensatiOn oth'ir Hacrilict^H were luhtcd to this, and they all, were intended to t«'ach the same lesson. Hut the pasHover was (lod's principal object lesson in teaching man that "without shc(hling ol bKMx( . there is no remission," that ChriHt must die for our sins, "the just for t\u'. unjust> that he might living UH to Go the b'lood Lwi|l pa 8.S over you * * * and this day shall be unto you for a mc^mori- M 1 '■n J^' Abranr also al : and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord." The Lord's supper is a mem9- rlfll. 1 Cor. 11: 20-2(5. "This do in re- niembranco of me." "Tins do^, as oft as ye drink it, in remembra«ce of me.' ;n, able to n disobeyed I condition ilvation in- f . ' \ ■■ f t' / ' w -^ ■■' • ■ •?..;'■<■# 4'j?^ 84 THK rhoiMCU LKVKU'mN J)|*:HATK. .••r»r «• ofli'il Kfi yiM'iit thinbrni.l, ni.«l drink thin aip, Jo «lo t»lMm Inrtli tlu' I^nlM dratimil h« irHim." tl"' pn»'»' oviir r.tn>;iil/««l tliHt : "N» Itli*"" •'•»i'4»»if<»n' Cliiiht Wfir IntttlKlnl tnU'JH'U HuHiiir KIOhI tiolli. All tlu) HiurilUoH iiiiiMt bf imitf' i"t <«> >'"' tlouH nl«.Hv»ii»Kill/,.'a tiMi rli'miiiliHf "'•"'y .,r Mhi. I'Hill rrtllM lli.ui -illviT H hap- tlHniH." Utt«> «•: 10. Hnpti-ni x< Itli w»ht h.viiiIm.IIjw«n tlHi >•«»««« t»'"'»f. «••'•«•••»"«. ii'ikI Ik ii n\trn "f ri'ifi'imriitltm. Thun w« hrtvii iiltiir lliv, ilfiUiiH'lMion, piirllUii tl.MihHiuHmptlHiii. all typify «ia» nnnlio- li/.u tiM- Hainn Hiliijf- u«m.Ht. Now lot UK MMn.otla...tla.r ,j..t r^- "r"; '!'':; "^ilalon. ifn^nt truth, t)w iwvvmUy of rt'jfi'ni'ra thai, and the ohjcrt h'KHonn hy wliUli (ijkI waijflit to teat h it to ""<•' Han by proiM-r syndiols, un- til the end of tune. And thus upon the hifrhest authority, the nature of things, is sustained Infant bai.tism. This Is placlu}? infant baptisni upon its proper basis, for here the rlffht is Itased upon the r.rlation, the chibl sustains to the Lord Jeie seal, of the covenant Avbich was circumcision, was by divine connnand applied to InfantA. In order to understand clearly this question we must go back to the caU of ''^ ^ V' ^w- mi \ #, /»/ , ^ . #'#J|lt^'e TIIK COOPHK LfcVEHTOK DEBATR. VlTH l»iit»- ,< ilh wiiU'V (•|i>HiiitlnN>, I. purllU'n mil (♦viiilio- HttlllH krpt lit tr'tliH, I Tliii o*»' im< w«»rt.' hII >ntlttoii titaki-H rrimttrtitliH, II) Hhouhl li« syniViols, liri- iiiH upon thii re of tliiiigH, in. Thin Ih )ii itH propor l)ns('(l upon *t)iins to t\w iHonomv of surtifiiiiit of ht of infant sent for your iinoiit b«foriv 80(1 upon tli« tirtunniaion thnt infnntti iiiul tliw protnJHn jfivi»n to A'^rain. (Ji-li. 12: I. 'I, 'l.wlll niitki* of tli«'»^ a Kwnt luttion," "In iIh'I'nIiiiII nil titmilU'M of the riirili li« I.Umw'il" /Miii* »r«'t»'r»l promise to Alii'iini iiiiImimi'iI twotliln^pi: I. It friu<' AWrnni tin* piomlw of a liti*rnl M(i'"' till* pmmli'o of a Hplrl tual HIM (I and a liiiivi itly iiilirriiniui'. ('poll I lli^ p net-Ill pt'omiM' (iiKl niitdi< a covt'ii^iiit with AIn'ani and hin liti'rai mvil and uhli Alnai) and hlHMpirltual Hi'id, Httnrin^ to hi" liti-ial wud tliv laid of raiiaan, (tin. I*i:7-'il. Aidnw- lUrliiKtoliiM Hplritual w'mI a l.i'HVi'iily Inlicritiinii', (J«n. 17; I 14. Tin- lirnt Kp(tit!iatlf>n (»r 4lw t'ovi'iiant with Ab- rani> HpUiUuvl^iid Im. "TIiou mIiiiII I»o the i^itiil^r of nitiny nations" In alln Hioii totlu' I niiiirioiiH poHti-rltv Hciund to Alirain, his nauio wuh than^fcd from Ahraiu to Abialmni, "a lathci'Of a jrriiat jiMi'titiidc." This rtpwHii'ation 1h fuUliU id under tho k«>hI>oI only, by all bi*- llovoiH lnHoniinw- the iliildruted totheni alw»." Then .Abraham received tlm^i^ni of circunuision for the «p(ici.'lc purpose of constitutinfi- him the father of all believers. Circumcision theU sealed Abraham the father of all btdievers hi n!l a}?ea of the world. Abraham is con- mlltilwl lh« fhthor of nil iM-lloverii by clrcumcUlon. It In utated hIho that he Ih lh« fiitJw*r of clin'nmcbloii to Itmiii who are not of the circumcUlon. Clr lUnicirtlnii iUm«h not come down to un. Ilnw wan Abraham by ilrcumcUloii, I'oiiKtItuted th« rathur Ol clnunulMlon to believet« undc-r the ko<^]h'\? Hy f«llb we enter thiH covenant of chcunicUlon. The mroiid Hpeclllcatlon of thiH covenant irt : "And I will kIvo unto thee, and to thy •••♦il after thee, the land wherein thou art u Htran(fi?r, " tHir opp covenai|t, then th« Mi^n and Heal nuwt import temporal thlnjcn ^^ only. Hut the niKU and mnl of tliw .)(' eovovant import nplritnal wh well M temporal bleHnin|ur«. Oircumcinion wn« a Hijf'' »>»• » «''»' *»' H|»lritual bleHHinjfH chiefly. It wnH not wlmply a tteBhIy ordinance Hecurin^f a Humll pli'ce of land. It had a deep npiritual lm|K)rt, I>g|t. :V): Hi, "And the Lord thy (mmI wilUlr- cumclHe thine heart, an Lamb of (iod that tak(;th away the sin of the world." .lesiH took }iwa;\^/)riginal sin by hhed" ding His own blood. Again. Vf\w\\ tb<\v brought childreH to Him, the discipli* evidently thought that they shouhl not b(v brourh.t for thev forbade the people bringing th(!Ul. lint Jesus said, "suffer tluMn to come unto huv for of such is the kingd mi of heayen." Christ atqnpd for th(;childreu. This atonement was fore- shown by the sprinkling of blood on the doorposts tn Egvpt. The blood was not spriitkled up. h the children, yet it aton- ed for th(! first-born i\n every hou.?e so sprinkled. . If the original sm is taken awav, then the child is not accountable to (Jod. We belieVe there are children in Gods church. If my opponent's an- alogy be right they would have to receive the seal of baptism at 8 dpys, if it came in place of circumcision, other- wise they would be lost. If the parent withheld froih theih the rite of bjiptism then th(! child Avould be cut off. If the se^nl of circunu'ision was not put on the child at 8 days old it was cut off. WheTi they brought the children to Christ there wns no better time for Him to establish infant "baptism than then. Ho took them up in his arms and blessed them by laying hands on them, not a solitary drop of water was used. Then about the*^ commission "(ioHud teach all na- tions " They were to baptise them in the navne of the Father, of ihe Son ahd of til e Holy Ghost. Then they were to teach those they hattized all the things Chr. St had commanded them. Could they teach infants all these things? ' *He that believes and is baptized." Here we fhid that bc li eMMlie prerequi s ite not shall be damned," What do we learn from this? That teaching pre- before baptism. In Mait. 3: 1, we find that repentance is necessary as a pre* (• in font bo to tiint'h tlu' nptized, for rt of tlu! iiu- I met John, )of (lodtimt rho world." jin by sht'd* I. whim tb<\v lie discipU* y 8houlon, o'ther- r the panrnt i of bjiptism off. If tbe 6 put on the toff. VThlTi ChriHt there to establish . Ho took lessed thern nl a solitary Then about ■ach all na- ;ise them in he Son alid ley were to 1 the thing's . lem. Could lings? "He zed." Hpre prerequi s ite THE COOPIIR-LEVBRTON DEBATE. JW paratory work before being bapti^. Matt. 8: 11, "I baptize you with water unto repentance but he that uometh after me is mighter than I * *■ ' * He shall baptise you with the Holy GhoHt and Are." There is not a child mentioned here. I defy you tu show by the Bible ttiat aehild was ever baptist. Luke 3: 21. Jesus was baptised. You will re- member that Jesus was also circumcised * when ho was eight days - old . Luke 2: But if circumcision was sufficient why didn't he exclude th» ordinance of bap- tism? Why did he not set an example that We are to follow? He did. When he was thirty years of age, he came to th6 waters of Jordan to bin baptized. There was no infancv in that; or ground for ddubt, but shows one of mature agj. Mark 1: 4. "John did baptizer in the wilderness and preach the baptism o! repentance unto the remission of sins." Here is another proof that repentance precedes the ordinance of baptism. Again io Mark 16: 16, "He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved." Faith must be in the individual before he is fit to be baptised, and faith is always necessary to prepare us to receive it. Acts 8:87, Philip and eunuch When . they came to a, certain water the eunUch said, ** What doth hinder me to lie bap- tised ?" and Philip said, "If thoU be- lievestwith all thine heart thou mayest." Here we find faith is prerequi'site. Again in Acts 2: 37-88, "Now when they heard this they were pricked in their hearts and they said, "Men and breth- ren what shall we do?" Peter said, ('Bepent everv one of 3'ou and be bap- tised." There were no children there, but those who believed in Jesus Christ, And Repented of their sins. They w.>re to bei baptised. In Acts 8th, we read about Philip going down to bamaria to preach. Here is an instance where the men and women," not a mention of a child being baptised which is conclusive proof they were i»ot baptised. The children are redeemed through the atonement without the ordiriance of baptism. Again Acts 2: 41, "Then they that gladly rec^-ived the word were baptized " Did children gladly receive the word? That was impossible on ac- count of their incapability of understand- ing it. Whatelsedid they do? "And the same day there were added unto them, about 3.000 souls and they con- tinued steadifast in the apostle's doctrine and the breaking of bread, etc." Here we have the continuing steadfast • * * the breaking of bread, etc. They (the apostles) were sent' to preach the gospel to those who were capable of ipeceivlnir and obeying its principles. Some may Kay you have just taken passages where it is plain there were no children and there are instances of children being baptised. As it is said that certain households were baptized. If we were told that there were any children there I would believe that children should be baptised; but we are not. I cannot take theory in place of the Word otQud. Acts 8: 12^ They were baptized both men and women. No children^ In Ajcte 16: 13, the women were preached to and and Lydia was baptised. *'And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a ri\'er side, where piayer was wont to be made and i>3C!- hold of ^ffte jailor.- :''*And he.hrouf?ht them out, and said, Srrsjwhat must I do to bo saved"* * * And, thcv spake unto him th(^ word of the Ldrd and to all that were in his house, Arnd he took tht^n the ShWe hour ef the 'nig-Vt. and washed theiri istripejs and was bapf jsed, he and all hi^.. i Do yon . supposci that those apostlips ol the^ LtOid would go a nd preach to infants who could hot possibly under- stand or believe.. The statement has been made frequently that they were bapthsed in his house, but they were not, verse 3Q:says, "And brought them but, and said, Sifs, what must I do etc," and ifif vjerseM, "Whpn he had brought them intpijis hous«f." It is not for me to savrbut the scriptures show thev came out, and the 'inference" is that there were no children there. Now whafforiows' : "And when he brought ' •ihem intd^tiis house, he set meat before them afid rejoiced believing in God with all his houpe'." Children could not re- joice. In the ^s^nse the term is used here, Cor^ 1^6, "And I baptised also the household of Stephanas^" Here we have. another househbld baptised but not tt (tiiention of infants- How many afe tteere living with a large family all cajpi^ble of being taught and living up to wiiat they are taught, which would make them proper candidates. Christ made 1 all atonement for chilil^n^ and took away the original sin and conse- quentiy infants are not responsible for original sin. They are saved Avithout an act of obedience on- their part but when they comer to^ars of understand- and he was told- how to obey that law. Isr, Cor. IG: 15, "I iiesoeeh you brethren, ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the first fruits of A(;hai«. and thnjt they haves addlcicd them. : ing then the ordinance is laid upon them. Man acts on . his own free agency in obeying the contmandments of God MR. CmPER'nECDBD SPEECH, **Mu. Chajkman, Laivies and Gentle- men :— My opponent says that I gave no Bible authority as proof of the pro- position, I affirm. He has been talking like that each evening since the deba-te began. He will, continue ti> tell you that until th(! • close of the debute. H(v cannot answer my arguments aiul this is a favorite dodge of his to divert your attention. He- well knows that I have jriveii vou Bible authority all the time and that I have presented arguments that cannot be overthrown. This dodge will not only help him but it will be re" sorted to by his followers here who will go out fBwi*-thiirill8<:us&ion and repeat over and over again his statements, that I gave no; Scripture proof of my position. I have quoted text after text sustaining my pp.sition and I shall continue to do so, giving chap, and verse out of the Bible, Vet his people will keep right oiv repeating the untrue f5ta,t8ment that I" have given no Bible authority. It mat- . ters not to them though it -be refuted oftei), they will keep* right on rej.>eating it with a flourish of? triumjph that is amusing. My friend's small [criticism of my argumentv that blood was notsprink- led upon infants when the rtassover was instituted amounti to so littlle and«hpwai so clearly that hedoes not comprehend ■*v.1' that la wr. t biethron. una H, that , and that voHto tho ', disfovuf ln'sif were. ;c'd th«ni- aitttn So hau8('hold i the dot'- [Time ox- PEECH, ) Gentle- II t I gave if the pro- !n talking' he deba^te tell you bate. He < aiul thiH vert your lat I have I the time rgniments 'his dodg"© will be re" ! who will nd repeat lents, that y position. UHtaining* niie to do wt of the > right oiv «i/ that I it mat- • aptlsm is in the place of cinriimcision it ought to be administered at the eighth day as was circumcision. We reply that ' :ik it isover was ind«how8 inpreliend f 'f^ff • 40 -) tHE COOPER-LEVERTON; DEBATE. up to> A. I>. 268, the first Cpuiicll of Carthii^, it was ho administered at the 8th day. That Council of sixty-six bi- shop^ decided that it might be administ- ered before the 8th day. The spirit of the gospel does not exact the 8th day. The time limit proves npthirig Jty friefid says there is not a word said,«bout tte chaiig^ in form of the ordinance, about baptism taking the place of cir- cumcision. I liave already proved that, the very nature of the ordinance as a 'sign of the new birth.of cleansing makes baptism take the place of circumcision, otherwise God would have two symbols to signify the sam^ thing. Nothing special .ii said in the^ Bible about the change of the last d^ pf the week for the' first, yet my friend recognizes the first ^ay as substituted for the last. Nothing is said about females partaking of the Lord's Supper, yet my firiend ad- mits them. But we have clear, specific Scripture proof that it did take Jthe place of clrcumcisioil. Coll. 2:11, 12^ "In whom ye were alte circumcised with a circumcisijn not made with hands, in the puttiiig off of the body of the flesh, in the circumcision 6f Christ, having been buried with him iu biaptism " Here circumcision is efl'ected bv baptisni. Spiritual circumcinion fs the putting away of the sins of the tfesh. Spiiitual bftptism is the same thing. Ritualcir- cumcision signified the putting away of the sins of the flesh, Ritual baptism sig- nifles the same t^ing. ' Again my friend obji^ts to baptism as a substitute for eir- cumcision because he says baptism is for the remission of sin% and cij;cumciftion was not. My friend *s wroug in basing an ai^meut upoA. such a differeuce, [or as we h\^\\ |)rove.in our next propo. jitiou that ritual baptism isno^^for the remiwion (tfsins. My opponQu't'snext is that b a ptism require s f ait h sion of faith jiist as adults are baptised upon a profession of faith now. Infants were circumcised without faith and so infants are baptized now without faith, and without repentance because they are just where an adult is with faith and repentance. V Except ye be converted and become as a little child ye cannot e.nter the kingdom Of heaven." That baptism is the substitute for circumcision, all the great jst and mdt competent scholars testify. My friend quoted Wesley, well if Wesley is a com- petent witness for him he will not object to him as a witness for ^e. Wesley says : >'And as circumel^on was then the way Of entering into this covenant, so baptism is now.' •The '^ ■■/■.• jews wer-;) admitted Into the Church by circumcision, so are the Christians by° baptism " By a plain parity of reason, baptism; which came In Its room, (that, is in the room of circumcision) must last amongjDhrlstlans as long as the gospel covenant into which It admits. *Wol« 10 p. 191-lSB." . * - Watson one of the great theologianR •i«ays. Vol. 4. p. 408. This Is apparent from the very words ; and thus was bap- th-m expressly made the initiatory rite by which bfelievers of all natl&ris were to be introduced lito the Church and covenant of grace j an office in whlih "It mauifestly took the place'of circum- cision." "Our {jordnot only does not re-enact it(circttmclslon) but,pn the con- trary> he appointed another mode of entrance into the covenant in its "new and perfected form; and that so express- iy as to Smounti;o a form||l abrogation of' the ancleut -sign , and a putting of baptism in its place." :* » PoPB another grfiat theological pro* fessor sajrs, ..Vol. 8, p. 312 : " Baptisrt Cook' its (circumcision) place." "As >iiimited in >IoBe», it w as the 'sYmboiof lepras. In only till tl the proml were the ' falthfu^ ed its own The Bfj! Sdsayji : ' clrcumcisi The gr( gianshold tend to tl Should bii raelitlsh This Is thi Dr. Sen rian and t the vlnitla thc5 Christ seal of th sion was! ant (Rou iathers al bn%df %^ d^.^i who have *avo rect clrcumcisi through b more of t ers Cbsh< froTi tha the presM substitute quqtdd ei friend is his fri w tares, to t ianity an My opi Matt. 28: servjall i bet.iught here com were to b as they ^ and that faith was not required by, cur. cumcision. I #ill ask him to notice that all adults were circumcised upon profes- the sanctlfication of physical life and natural increase, and the seal of partici- pation itts»xternal and -.hbiited fMivi,* practice . taught a know th« ^nV'"'* ^ '< »'*jF T**' Jk THE COOPER LEVERTOJJ DEBATE- 4t 1 are baptlxed low. Infknts faith and to without faith, because they tvith faith and be converted ild ye cannot ren." mbstitvte for cjst and nidt r. My friend iriey is a com- will not object \. ■;■■ ■'"'; '.. y circuipQi^on {ring into this now." "The the Church by Christians by rity of reason, ts room, (tliat. Bion) must last fas the gospel admits. *iVol« ■ * Z*' ;at chftol(>giaiiR is is apparent [ thus was bap- iuitiatory rite 1 nati^s were le Church and >Sice in whi(!ih lace'of circum- only does not but,pn the con- >ther mode of ant InitBTiew that sd express- ciftl abrogation la putting of ■■ ■/ beolQglcal ptor (12: "Baptisn^ place." "As >the symbol of lepres. In 'both respects it was ordained oiily till the Seed should crtme tll-) The Ante-nicene iathers all b^ld the sam^ view. Justin, bn%df ^fnostillui^trioiisoftliem says ^.^^h Trypho'chap.43) : "And we, who have approached Gotf through Him , ■*avo received not carnal; but spiritual circumcision, and we have received it through baptism." I might quote many more of tha great th^loglans and fath- ers to show you that, the Church of God' froTi the days of the apo%tlesdown to the present held that baptism i"« the substitute for circumcision. But I have quqtad enough to show yqu that my friend is wrong^ and the theory he and his fri ndajiplctis contrary to the scrip tures, to th>i nature and genlftsof Christ-^ ianlty and to *& j record of the Church.' My opponeiUi quotes the commission. Matt. 28: 19, 2'X "Teaching thetn to ob- serv3 all things." He asks, can infants be taught allying*. . *' I each jng them," here comes* after baptism. JFlrst they were to be disci pled by baptism ^liil then as they grew up, in hatmon/ with the practice. of today» they 1 , answer, yeiiastliey grow up they can be taught. I am surprised that my friend should quote Mark 16: 16 and apply it to infants, for if It provt5S any- thing it proves too much. If, interpret- ed according toj my fjfiend's logic, damns all the infants. Here is his reasoning upon this text. "He that believeth and is baptized shall be daved." But infant* cannot believe; therefore infants are not to be baotlzed. Now apply this reason- ing to infant salvation. "He that be- lieveth not shall bo damned." But infants cannot believe ; therefore in- fants shall bQ damned. Both of these conclusions are utterly false, but they are the logical concluflon of my friend's argumevts and of all those who reject . infant baptism . It is a significant f Jict that the chief proof texts of those who reject infant baptism are not considered genuine, 'this text has. no place in two of the oldest andbeSt manuscripts of the/ Bible. The other great proof text of my opponent and of those who like him reject infant baptism, Iwcause infants cannot believe, is, found in Acts 8: 37, The celebrated confession of the eunuch, ia not genuine and is left out altogether in the Revised Version. My frierid ought to bo better posted than to base his argument for the rejection of infant baptism upon spurious texts of scripture. My opponent next quoted Acts 2: 88, and asks where are the children? if he had taken the trouble to read the whole pawage to the end of the next ^erse ha . would have fo'.md the children. Verse 89 reads : "For the promise is unto you, and to y<^ur children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. •; Mr. i^verton told you that there were no childreu here, Peter says there are. Will you believe my friend or an Inspired apostle ? But my friei.4 objects to the'tjhildren here for he call iiifants,that in i: ■I' :.1= m Wi were to loe* says " C^oddi4 not taught all things. Does my friend not fauts cannot lie called." The Script know that, tliat is just ^hat we jlo ? I present examples of calHi^ wtants, life and a^al of partici- .hinited fNrlvi,- 42 THE U00Pi3U-tEVEKT()N DEBATE. lean '•Out of Ej?.yi)t liAvt) I tallecrmy son. .Ihauh WHS then fti> infant. Aji^ain th« .proph(;t spHaks of certain onus calUul ''from the woijnb. *" If God oould call from the womb, he'could call front xhe world of gin and darkness, on th« day of Pente- eost, infants. But he objects thxt th«v jrladly received th 3 word and infants Could not gladly reueiva tha word. Will niy friend by his logic. again damn tha children hei'e as he did In quoting Mark 16: 16. bacausa ihey cannot gladly re-, coive the word? J f because they can- not be'iove, repent, ba called, gladly receive the .woid they must be rejected' and ref tt<«ftd baptism the same reasoning damns them. My friend just as I told yott he' would, almost sliouts himself hoarse, in asking me to^ive an example, an instance, the chapter and verse where a chUd was ever baptized. He^ like aU those who^reject Ihtiant baptism, asks with a flourish of triumph for a command to baptize infantji. In my next speech to-morro.w evening I will fumisbhim the chapter and verse giving the commlind, theexample and instance. ' ' Time expired. ■-'■■■'. ♦♦♦♦♦ m LEMWS SECOini' REPLY. Mr; Chairimah— In replying to me, my , opponent' took up a position .that I hnd alf eady a,n8wered and I do not considtjr rWs very fair. . In quoting Mark 16, he took thfe last verse to show that the, children W(mld be datnned. I said that > the gospel vi'^as sent to those who could understand and it was nbt sent to the children. Has he yet proved to you by - the word of God (and |he Bible is the A «f evidence) t^atachild wal^ sed. Bringing evidence nutsjde $ible shows, it is not in the Bible. But if he' fails to swt up the standard ay the* teachingsof the, biljle, then my op- ponent has lo^t his proposition and Ih- boat. My opponent "lays it would be a strange family in whith there were no chlldrvMi .Many families have grown, all of tht'im tojiroars of maturity. W»' find no evidence of there b<)ihg Infant .children in thV jailor's house In re gird, to circumcision Gen. I7r 10-14, *' This is my, covenant which ye shall keep, between me and you find thy seexl after thje. Every man chiid shall be circumcijedon the eighth day." If 'bap tism takes the place of ctircumcision we should follow the laiW that governed cir- c^nlcision. Th'J male child is to take the seal, but no seal is given to the fe- male children/ Then unle^is tiiy oppo- nent can show this b«w has been chang- edi he should only baptize male in- fants. Again verse 13 says, " He that is born in thy house and he that is bought with thy money rauHt heeds ba circum- cised." It was. compulsorvy upon them, then baptism should bTTiompulsorS' on the human race. In verse 14» it says, the-Uncircvmcised man child ?" , ♦ * shall be cut off from, his people. . Thuii ha would bse bis inheritance and if bap- tism takes the place of jcireuntcision, then tho.se who are not baptise^ ^^^ cut , olf or losevthoir inheritance. Verse 10 says, "Hethat is eight days old, shall bft circumcised.". Tliere wasfa certain time at which, the seal should be put on, then you must take your children to the house of God and have them baptised on the eigth day. The idea of perpetuat- ing a law in a certain sphere and leaving the rules that govern it is absurd. Cir- cumcision was td take place jiist on a certain part of the body hence the same part should be baptized. Acts l&'.l^- "Forasmuch as we hiaye heard, that Ate >e going to take man's theories certain who ijfentout fromsis havctrou- and aJjt them up hi place of the Bible? bled you with words, ♦ * 'saying ye If by iV Bible he set^ \ip the standard w«8t be circumcised and obey the law, Ih^nh^mav support it by other works, etc' Now we find that this quettion J- 1 F»^^wS' \\ atnndaiil ity , then my op- Mition and W it would b« H tlioro were no hHVLi jfrowu, latarity. W»' \ifiXag infant tottse In re ien. I7r 10-14, hich ye sHhII u (ind thy seexl child shiill be iay." Ifbap curncision we g-overned cir- lild 18 to take ven to the fe- ileflB tny' oppo- as been chang- tize male in- lys, '* He that D that is bought (ids b3 circum- •\y upon them, CoiiipuisorSv on r»e 14» it says, child ♦, • * people. . Thui* nceand if bap- jcireumcision, aptise^ o^re cut ince. Verse 10 ays old, shall bft was#a certain puM be put on, •children to the lem bapt!s(;doii A of perpetuat- ere and leaving is absurd' Cir- place jiist on a hence the same i. .Acts 15:1*- lye heard, that i maw have trou - THE COOPKR 4.EVBR10N pEBATK; J9i . had sprung up in tho bhurch. Here wns the time to teach thcjchurch that infant baptism took thijj)l»|c« of circumclHion, if mich change wjas to be qiadci In the chuich. . Th«y h a v«j em bnuiflcV the gos- pel and ioihed the chiirch, ♦^i*iiul says circmnci«ion awiiletll nothing,' nor un- circumcision, but a new creature. Hob. C: 1, •'.therefore l«jajving tho prhiciples 6i the doctrine ?)f Chijist, let us go ion un- to pi'rfection not layipg »<{?«'" the found- ation of reprtntancepfrom dead wprktr and of faith toward (jiod, of the doctrine of baptisms and laying on of hands^stc." Here W6 iiaVe th^ first principles of the gospel of Christ. Tl^ere is iiothins In the gospel of Cbri^it tlo show that infaht gprinkllng tooK the place of circttmci- 8ion but we areTol3, 'Take heed unto thyself and unto the) dootrine, continue in thjm,^for in doing this thou slialt both save thyself ajnd them that hear thee." 1 Tim. 4: l7^ . Ana now about those children, 1 didn't sa.v that the Pible dO(!8 not mention children, but as to their being baptiaed, It is only asuppo' sition to suppose.that they v^ere. Alwut Acts 2: 89, "For the promise i» to you and to your children." ^e plan qf sal- „ ^ vation was MOt confined to those few to 'and of Lgypt ■ whom- Peter w/»8 prnaching,' so the pro- the covenant thUt I raise comes down vto us and to our children, but certainly they must grow to years of understanding befere t|iey can know whether God is calling thW or not. We have not been shown yet that a child is a piFoper candidate i>efore coming to years of undersi&nding. I laying on hands, see Acts 8: 17, uliO ' Acts 19: 6. . ♦♦♦♦♦♦ «R. COOPER'S THIRD SPEECH., Mr. Chairman, Lawbh and Gentle- men :—1 will review briefly my oppo- nent's last speech, then I shall proceed to present to you my fourth argumimt In favor of inrant baptism. My^ frtond savs that he did not say that Mark 16: 16 .damns infants. No, he did not say sO but his argument upon that text did say soi His logic damns the infants, but he Is better than Ws logic and tban W* reasoning. Before I forget it I waqt to notice an objection to the argument "establishing the identity of the cdvehant of grace with that Of the covenant of circumci- sion. Jer.;3l: 81-34, '|s quoted to prove that the covenant of circumcision was abroga^id, "Behold the days cofne.saith the Lord, that I wlfl make a new coven* . ant witft the house of Israel, not accord- ing to ihe cpvehant that I made with their tethers, in the day that I took them by thfe hand, to bring them out ot the * But this shall be will make if{**i #»« house of Israel; After tho^ days #iUh the Lord, I will put my law in thrfr in- warji parts and write it in their hearts." The 8th chapter of Heb. is also quoted to show that the covenant of circumci- sion was abrogated. Now by a little exaMination you will see that t^»*» »» ' ■ .4 .■ 'A ask mv opporieht to produce the Bibhv riot ^le covenant of circumcisioubut a upon these' thirig«r Instead pf infants covenantmadejustabout 43.) years latter being baptized thev were blessed bv ' -* o-— • ' 'i^^ «-«« ia-»«i *h« law on Ijayingqn hands as-Ahe seal of the gospel covenant is the Holy Ghost, an 1 was a hidden power in the hand; see Exod. 43: 9-16; Matt. 19: 13-16 ; Heb. 3: 31, also Mark 10; 13-16. Here is where\hildreh at Sinai. God gave Israel the law on tables of stone; He said^the time would come wh«ti he would maki^ a new coven- ant and instead of wrltinj^the lai* upon tables -of stone he would write it in their heart s. This was the covenant of Sinai To raak^i t clear that the ^ove ant of circumcision was not abrogated. Paul says, Gal. 8s 17-18, "Now this I * * saying ye d obey the law, kt this queitimi were sealed. Then the Holy Ghost and not water, is the seal, sec Eph, i; laand Eph. 4: So., That the seal was given by •t- '^f7:^v ■ . ' > ft. V <>* V THE CJOOPER-LEVERTON DEBATE. «ay : A covenant conflnned beforehand' .by God, the law, which cnme four hun- dred and .thirty years after, doth not disannual. §o as to m^ke the -prom iso of none effect. For If the iuheri^tance is of the law, it Is no ntore of promise ; but Ood hath granted it to Abraham by promise," Paul distlnctry as9(;rts tliat the . cpvenant of circumcision was not diMnifuUed. My opponent's contention that Christ sealed the childrun whuh.he put Mi h%nd8 upon them is so little supported by ft'ny evidence that I shall pass it by. It amounts to just nothing. / Mr. Leverton told'j-ou ho places five times more weight to the scriptures than to the opinions of learned nien: I hav6 nodoubt men's opinions are agai.ist hi£r ppt theory. But why did he stand and quote to yon Wesley, Clark, Benson, Bfea^a, Calvin and many others, taking up the major part ot his timie in his last speech on the former proposition ? Why is Mr. Leverton hot consistent with tiimself ? After spending so much time cfuoting authorities it comes with ill grace for him to repudiate them now. lay friend told you the little story of Balaam's ass, and said the Methodists g6t infant baptism from th^t (ext. I aih sorry be introduced thenss story n^iid tbiat I must take up valuable, time to tell you another. ^ But since he intro- duced the story I- will tell yon one, but «r little 'different from the one he told you. •In the pioneer days a young Met- 'hodist minister was very popular and it was ied to baptize whole families or households in^ eluding infants. Let us turn to Matt. 28: 19-20, the' commission:—' \1, The eleven apostles were a|| jews. 2. They had always had their infants in the church with them., 8. They had never known of hear! .of a Church without infants in it. ' '[ 4. They had never seen a proselyte brought in the Church 4\rithout his in- fants, if he had any. - ;; : 5. Under the Jewish dispensaj^ioh, in- fants had aiwajs,been a part of God's .Church. ' ' 6. The Lord Jesus had received in- fants and declared that they belonged to his church or kingdom. 7. He held the infant to be the model to which they must conform before they could get into his kingdom or churoh. 8. He now gives thejM the Commis- and disciple all natlonH, ba p- be in in its ^ libei'fl ^ direcl aDotl setmon the Mormt^n banded the Metho- dist a slip of pap«ikwith the text : "And Balaam rose up in tK<\ morning and sad. died his ass." The yming Methodist tizing them into the'name of the Father, and of thtfScn, and of the Holy Ghost : teachings them to observe all thlnigs, wbatsoaver I hAve.corainiiaded yoa/' ■ 'f nrry ■^ TM COOPER-LEV ERTON DEBAttt: 41 hu p- ThK ?*' Then said Peter ^This .iuls oxuotly with tH* • ' ' --; - » - prnctico <>f tliDse .who haptizo infant*. Tht^y baplizt. tiie iritiints and theii, teach tliein. Adult uircuihciHion woaX to \)e temporary, so adult, haptisih' wiis to bo temporary. Going -into a hea- then country to-day you ihust firHt convjsrt the fatherH and mothers before you can get the infantH. 8d it was'in the ^^H of the upostleN. In the old diRpenuation they iirot circumcised the children and then tliey taught fthieni. In-' the new dispensatiun they Hrst baptized the infants, then taught them, and th^t is what we do now. I think my opponent wilt not dispute the .ren- dering of the passage, " Go and dis- ciple the nations." It is so translated by Alex. CampViell, the great Disjjiple Baptist. It 'is so translated by the Baptist Bible, by the Kew, Version and bymany great scholars who have translated the word' Go and teach (IVtatheuoo) all tlie nations ^** teachipg (didaskoo) them, »fcc. Now how will my opponent get iii; fants out of the comraiission ? 'f'/ey were* certainly included in th^ All Nations. The Apostles were w go and "disciple" the people, baptising them. Npw| how did they under- stand the commission ? How did Peter understand 'it when he dpehed the doorg of the kinadom" and iiivited the. nations into it I Did he exclude infant children? If they were to be now excluded and put out fof /Goq's Church, it would have been a go0id opportunity tpHboU the parents in plain words that the infants put in the chureh' for thousands of years must ' now go out. The Church of God is to " be ex|ien(led. The Gentile world Js to turn to Acta 2, 38-39. unto them, repent, lilid be baptized, every one of you, in the name ofjesus Christ, for the re- miSiMion of'hins ; and ye shall receiva' the gift of the Holy Ghost, for the proihiso is unto you and to your child* .ren."',\... , ■/ \ Therft aire three words in the Greek language^ which signify 'child : 1. '•C^rephos,'.* on infant. 2. 'Tuidos," a *htld. \S. ••Tecknon," (lecsendant, posterity, ifieluding the si^ialleat in- fant, "Tecknon," sometimes Hignifiea an infant before it is born. J t comes from the root "tick too" that which is , borne or born, a child,- Liddell and Scott's lexicon. Therefore when Peter preached his sermon on the day of i*entoco8t and said : "The promise is unto you jvnd to your (teuknois) children," they could not have misun- derstood him. /Ihey could not h»ve umhuistocKJ hini in any other way thia,n as including their smallest infants for he used the exact word that ' conveyed that idea. They had always brought their children into the church with tlienj, and now they are invited into the, church extended to' the (Jentilea, and are assured in the plainest language that ''the promise i* unto them {knd their infants or infant children. A right secured by positive enact*' n^ent, remains intact until it is taken away by the repeal of the law or enactment conforring it. The Scott Act was brought into force and oper* ation by a voto of the people in this county; It was repealed, so far a5 its operation i^ concerned, by a vote of the peophi. If you were to inquire whenit wavS repealed, ^t the proper place, ypu would be told the dayj month and year Reciprocity between be invited into it. Is it possible that Canada and United States ■■i->i in its ejcte'nsion it will become less liberal, that while it widens in one- ^ direction, it will narrow down in another and exclvide the little ones? was enacted. It remained in force ijntil On a certain day, in a certain year it was repealed by the focidy that enacted it. The Ooercion JUU was passed b III . ^ •w', r 4A THE 0UUPKRaj:vf:nTON DliBATr.. the nritJHh ParliiiiiH'nt. It r.Miiiiiiiey «livin« authority. Christ (lid not ivpcid it, oh th.i «:on- trarv lio rt-atfir.niiid it Ijy thJilaiin;: of infants, *'of s«ih is thy «-xpr«'.s.s. ly dt'chviing tiiat '"Thw pron»iM>. is unto you and your cliildn'ti." 'I'Ih' H^^ht of infants to n-niain iu/tho church and i-fjcuive the ordinanc«» «rf- reco^nntion as mcinlH'rs HMiiains intat.t, Christ and Pctor hciiii,' thf" jud^^'i's. - . Ajraili, how did ihis .-^ postli-s undt'r- - ■ Htaiid tK»; foiilniissioii \vh<'iijli«-y wt'iit out aft(-r thc^(lay of P<•nt(•l•o^t. to dis- ciple tiu\ nation's? It wiis tho uni fowrpi'act.ice cif tlu! Ap)stl«'s to hap- tizeThe households oi' families of tliH*- con vei t s, The (hovk word t ranslutod |jouso:hi)ld in all thos(« instaiici's ^ is (riikos) which moan*; childrhi hy nn- turnl g(M»(!iatii»n It doJN'i not mean don)«.sti^s <»r servants (oikia),inay in- X elude servants; hut (oilcos) n(-v<-f dpea. *■ -^ I have not to prwve that all tlw fanlilips that Were hapiized include»l' infants, for if T proVe that whole fam- ilies vs ere 'baptized as Jthe ordinary jii^actiee «ff the Al)o«tles,^l eslid)Ush • iny proposition. ' >Iy «»i)poiient may Wiythat I cannot pro,ve that thete were infiim^^ in any of these bi^ptiml hap«, wer<> oldonongh to believe, hu in the caHe of Lydia, Aot4 16: 14-1;'), no on«! helii'Ved hut hersfflf, yet nhe le i u Hi-r-day on earth This .S>hiac ^^ei^ion renders the passage j( Scott's Comiaentary), 'VWhen she warf baptized and the children of her h«)use;" This settles -.^lie matter, I have furiiisheap- , hIio siiid, Um) fiiith- iiiy lifm»« n<»t n wi»r«l ii«li(Win;j." j,iv»s|y t«» l))lf>tiz«Ml. o^New 'I'ttH- U) l)« th« me of tli« BXtlUlt.' It lis the lie- nry, in the iDHtlos lived Sy riac and !d and per- is executed and upoke is the sacred istood npd sr.siQn, thus r the whole re, and the hole Syrian therefose of the {greatest spoken Ian- Chri t and earth This the passage 'When she dren of her \e matter, I nd found in stance whei-e tiiHed infant le. Tha-; of THK COOPElltEVERTON DEBATE. ,. ;' r « MR. LEVERTOil'S THIRD REPLY. The l)p.ritisin of Cornelius, "Thou »n«i all thy family (oik«w) A«is 10: ;J7-4H. We have tive houH«'hol(lH or families baptized. It devolveH upon my np pomtnt to prove that th«' nations did not include infants, and that thene ^ve Impti/.Hil faiiiilies did n t include mfants. (i1«hI, by positive enactment put infants into his church and ji[av»i them the seal of Covenant Mercies, It foUows that until this divine posi- tive enactment is n^pealed they must remain in the church and thry are entitled to tluMBcal and si«n of rwA)<^- nition as meuiwrs of (IckI's Kingdom. We have proved that Chri t did not repeal this t" *4tgft, 1I« wvyii this law has litA. been K^pealt-d, if so ,it must still b« in force, aiitl yet niy opponent says you can put on the sert,l whenever you likte, No\y, refen-ing to thy answer Ptter gave in Acts : '""rie. pent every olio of you,'.' etc. 1 !•<' sayn j this included the childitm .: "Ami ye shall receive the H»>ly, Gliost." If they repenttjil and were Uttptizeil^they received the Holy' Spirit "for the pro^ misB is to you and your lihildren." .; The promise was the gift of the lloly Ghost, and it w^as to b(,.. — V. «« iriftints ?" The wlfole nation was children in Acts 2; 39. Will hft e* calletl the child r,en.of Israel. We also aoiine the oane of Lydia and prove ajpeak of the childro\j^ of men, _ There that she had no infants in her famiV5nJ_--7ts no proof thivt there were infants, Will hfi show us that the Syriac ver- / ^nd if there \We, tliey. would come -• ■ • ' ■■ .!_ 1 I > V_ i:..:. II 1... ^. sion is wrong f If he does not, and y know he cannot and I know als(» tli^t there is not a living man who can show these arguments and the./»cts upon which they are based tt» be iu- correct, then I have proven my propo- sition ^nd I might let the case rest here, but I have still to present to you the historical argument in my next speech. V . '. Time expired.' und«r the JmmH\'onditions. lie asks Why I nqote(i froin men, I tlid it be- cause my opponent spont about forty mi lUtesreding the f([?li,Honi-/>f other men. '%' brought men of*H11.s 6wn church t6 'prove my p »int, and and if they are not roliaVile he must be going against his own church. He says it was circufncisiort under the old dispensation, and baptistn under the new. This niiiy bo true Vmt he cannot pi*ove infant »iaf44«>jn audpr tha new,. I have never Vj(ud that there were no children in the church, but that they r, f I baptisnx or (oikos) Acts 'the family Cor. 1: 16 didn't come in the church under the ordinance of baptism, ^^^^ ">y oppcm- jiilt has not brought anythihg to prove 4 *f,-.- *r' 48 THK COOPKK LKVRRTON DEBATE. tin ulso pcuiBci- tingjotf lh«t they should l>« Wptixed. Agnin hft referred U> the two hou«ph<»ldM, i>lf Lydia and th« jiiilnr. I sliowod t)tat lh«y UtlUiVHil mid itijoiood to- gther. FnfiuitH could not ri'joipo in the Koiwn M{Hikttii of. With r<'f«rcin«!** to HoinanH 3 : 25, " Whom Ood hath ■et forth to b« a propitiation through faith ill his hl(MMl, todHolaro IliH right eousneiiii for thu reiuiHHion of h'uih that are past," and Hob, 9: 26. •• Hut now onoe in the «nd of th« world hath h« appeared to put away h'ui by the mrc- irifice of hininelf." We (jUOteJ textJ»%, to you biHt night to hIiow that t^W* shedding of bl(M>d waM neoenHary for the remiMion of Hiu. Does that prove that infants aro proper oiindidatoH for baptism? Col. 2: 1 1, "In whom ulso ye are ciroumHiled with the circur iion made without hands in putt ^^ the body of the sins of the fletih by the circumcision of Christ." Ac cording to this passage the way uiy brother has quoted it, It makes tho poor darling children sinneri Then John was mistaken when he said: "Be- hold the lamb of (lod that taJccth away the »IN ot tlm \vf Egypt How did Christ- i»a»s receive the sual of th»> H«»ly Cov- enant ? Acts 8: 17, "Then laid they their hands upon them ami they re- ceived the Holy Ghost." Th s was the seal of the Holy C(»vcnant, given l»y the hiying <»n of hands. Was the seal ever known to be placed on any one by sprinklin;^ ! Thuio lias got to be an imprassiou in sealinti;. Again in Acts I'J: G, "And whcMi Paul had laid hii* hands on thf ui they received the Holy Ghost." It was after they were l»ap ized that ho laid his hands on them. In Matt. 19: 15, We finel^ hov Christ placed the Seal on the children, ''and he laid his hands on Tie nau, yei The holy spirit of (Uwl is the seal. Eph. J: 13, " In whom also after that yiti believed ye were sealefl with that Holy Spirit of promise, '''^••" '" '^^ Thi.s is the them. In Mark 10; 1 3, " H is disci- ples rebuked them for bringing the children " The inferance is that the disciples understood that little chilel- F "Ptiw^WIJ^ ' '" Eph. 4-80, wlinrrthy J" rmlniiiptiuii ttbiii in tlie Liut tho in tllA Mttl. > ill IW 4?<»0<1 iH a thinf or 1 Huy tli«y iflciiuHd tliny roiiiit their ^iiiB {MiHttion III to thoiii, lilt oliiUlreri through thft J«HUH Muya of eavQu. Ex. 1 \m a sign I, etc There and. Verue leii thy son oiiie iiayiug, I shilt Hny, jord Vjrouyht [ere theii) in the huiid of i . bringing V ditl Christ- um Holy Cov- leii laid they uiul they re- . " Th 8 was •pnant, given l.s. Was the aced on any u has got to if. Again in 111 Paul had they received n after they lid his hands 15,We fiael^ Seal on the uis liands on m.or s prin ^ "fl is disci- bringing the !e is that the t little child- THE COOPERLEVERTON bEBATE. H wn were to be feceivwl by rio.ne other Baptw.n U. he •wi*"'"'"^'**' '"'y ^ way then baptir. then., but .lo.u. thmn that Imheve. Circun.ciHlon wan riV" HulTer tlum. to con,: to nvo." etc. U. U adniinUtored on the eight J day Who-oever Hhall not receive the king . that wan the law .K'»^'';;'»"'« '^ . . ' dom of heaven an a little chiUl Khali JwiptiHm Hucu^eedn 4t ^»'«" ' *Pjr*" not enter therein. Adultn receive,l nhuuld m. a.hnuuH..r. cii*ion A gain, circumcision was t<» he adniinistered same position. ii ne ww« irv^i*"« — -- •- ■ ,*»».„ »u^v Mv without faith it wouW be disobey, „g only on one '»«'"»>*;f "V L hndv wifl God. The translators of the revised version say that simw a(»rcient authori- ties inserted the vtJTH*-, and they left it out of the t xt and put it in the margiA. Were not the ancient au thorities m good as these modern ones'? If we take t^ut out it just proves that'ev(!ryone is to be Ivjiptiztui with- out faith. I w»<8 asked tdsliow that God repealed the law of circMUu-ision. I think i^veryone knows that it is said, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every on<' thut be- beveth,-' and thfn in H<^biews 7: Ii we read, " For the priestljtH»d heing changed there is iniule ofr lieci^ssity a change also of the law. " There was-a change made by which children were received into tho church, and this ex- Cluderohation before l>ecoinil% a meinl)er. He says they were received • by eircumcision, and wore not in the thurch if not circuiu<:ized, ami yet were i-ut oil' from the Lnheritiinee of wbich it was a ^«i«i>- H tl«t'y Hrenotbap- timl then in follows that they are cut .iff from the everlasting inheritanoe. Circunicision required no faith, but baptism does. It requires faith and repentance for the putting away of the oUl man. Circumcision did not repre- sent the burial of GKrist, baptism does, as we di.scover from the new Testa- ment. If you have been planted to- ii-- of men. Circumcisu»n wus tor inaies e-ether in the likeness of liis death yott uldy ^'Ba^ismliT to all wlio believe.-- sliall also bp injhe Jikehess of his imile and female. Circumeision to be resarrectiofi. , \^^ ^ , administered -only to Siafe uifauts^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - "7^^ expirea. - ■. \ 60 THE OOOPER-LEVERTON DKBATB. MR. COOPER'S FOURTH SPEECH. Mil. CiiAt SMAH, Ladies ajid Q extlb- MBX : —I will briefly review iny oppt^n- ent's arguments and then proceed with my final argument in support of the proposition I ttflSrm My opponent speaks very loudly when he tells you infants cannot believe and therefor should be rejected. He reminds nie of the butchers dog Noble, tha*i I read about .somewhere and examples of which I have oft-n seen. The dog ran 'o a hollow tree, stuck his no^e in the hole and barked loudly and fur- iously. All the boys ran, too, think- ing that the dog had treed a coon or fox, but they found upon examination that there was nothing in the tree. Every time the dog passed that tree he would run and bark furiously and for several days he kept up the bark- ing, though there was nothing there. The boys having bfeen fooled once re- fused to notice the dog. It didn't matter the dog kept on barking. (Laughter.) So my friend goes to a text And shouts as though he had a real objection to infant baptism, we are like the boys, we run to see what he has got and find that he has notii- ing. ( Laughter.) It does not matter he goas fn)in Mark Ki: 16, to the eunuch, aijd from the Jailer to Lydia and b.ick again from Lydia and the Jailer, mid from the eunuch to Mark H'r. 16, backward and forward I am reminded of an old lady that I rea 1 about who was afraid she would lose her bjiggage so she kept on repeating ; big bijx,, little box, band box and bundle Then she would begin at the other etid, go back again, bundle, band box, little box and big box. ( Laugh ttM.) So my friend does and wil l do, not because he is not a good real valid objections to infant bap- tism. ■.■■.■. ■■ 2. ■"•■•'•■ ' My opponent noi*^ gives up Mark 16: 16 and acknowledges that it does no:> upply to the children. He says by applying baptism to infants we make them sinners. No, we do not, we recognize that they are saved through Christ. We do not make them members of the church. They are already members of his church because he put them in it and we re- cognize them in their relationship to Christ. My friend says there Were no in- fjihts in the family of Cornelius, nor. in the family of Stephanus, nor in the the family of Urispus, nor in the fam- ily of the Jailor, nor iri the family of Lydia. He says Lydia vi^as an old maid, or a widow, without children. Now;, how do3s my friend know all this? He says he does not want in- ferences ayd yet his whole . argument is bifjed upon inferences. He has no "Thus saith the Lord," for what he has been telling you. He says Lydia "" was in a shop and then asks how many shop-keepers have children. I think if he were to visittheshops of Tilbury Centre he would find children in most of them, at least -most of the shop- keejiers have children and many of the children are infants. If the fam- ilies baptizcid by the Apostles had no infants in thain they were different from most families. It is possible to find a household without infants, but to go out and baptize several whole families and find no infants in them would be a strange thing. From the fact th t families generally include in- fants, we have a right to expect that they would be found in the whole, families baptized by the Apf»stles, ...^ and from the fact th:vt to find in- " fantsin families is the rule and not the exception. He has no right to infer* that ther e w e r e no infmts inthefam- debater, but because he can find no ilies baptized in the New Testaiqeufc., "Jl»:" w tfunt bap- up Murk lit it does He says nfunts' we re do not, itre saved not make ch. They lis church nd we re- ionshlp to sre no in- lelius, nor. nor in the I the iaiii- family of as ail old ^ children. know all want in- arguinent ie has no what he lys Lydia "^ how many I think of Tilbury in in most thft shop- ipany of 'the fam- is had no different Dssiblo 'to fants, but ral whole I in them From the nelule in- scpeet that be whole, Apfjstles, J liiid in- i and not It to infer* ntlie fam- 'estaiqeut. '■•:?!* tHl5 COOP^n-LEVEnTON DteBATl2. M He 8• IP). "Gather I will now give you iny final argument in favor of infant baptism. .My fifth argument will prove that the history of the Church of God fur- nishes us with the most absolute and convincing proof that infants havo „ been received into the Church of God by baptism from the days of the Apostles down to the present time.- Infant Ijaptism >Vas never question- ed for over a thousand years of the christian era From the days of Christ till about the middle of the twelfth century, no s ct or party, no person whatever, denied or even ques- tioned the validity of the ordinance as administered to infant children. I want this audience to bear in mind that these historic witnesses are introduced to testify to facts, his- torical facts, and not to opinions. Their opinions may, be of very little value, but their testimony to tacts is ()f great value and unimpeachable. The first whose testimony I intro- duce is Augustine, who was born about 251 years after the death of St. John. In his celebrated controersy church together he had the also brought. Joel 2 with Pelagius, on original sin, he pre-sed his antagonist with the con- stant and universal practice of bap- lizing infants. He says : "The whole church has of old constantly held . that baptized infants do obtain remis- sion of original sin by the baptism of Christ. For ray part I do not remem- ber that I evgr heard at^ny other thing from any Christian that received the Old and New Testaments, neither from such as weriej in the Oatholio Church, nor yet from such as belonged to any sect or schism I do nOt re- meniboi- that I ever read otherwise, in any writer I could ever.find treating of these matters, that f olio wetl the canonical Scriptures, or did ro^an, of pretend to do so." The fact pi fhe the people, * * * and those that suck , unive.'sal practice of infant bj-ptism the breasts," Having replied to all in the church could not possibljr^have my friends argumeat| that I remenabpf been more strongly presented ' } m m m j%\ jthanit h^ THE COOPER-LEVEBTON t)EBAtB. is here bj Augustine. It' infant bap- tism was not the universal practice of the church, Augustine laid hiintfelt' open couipletely to defeat ; and it was only n0pessary for Pelagius to show that there >yas no such practice in the church, or to have shown that it was . an innovation, as certainly he could have done at that time if such had been the case But instead of this he Bays : *' Men slander me, as if I de- nied the sacrament of baptism to in- fants. I never heard even an impious heretic say they ough^ not to be ba'p- tized For who is so ignorant of the evangelical writings as to have such a «>• thought? Who can be so impious as to hinder infants from being baptized." Thus we introduce Pelagius as our se- cond witnedd, and he is an important one. We have nothing to do Ijere with the opinion of Auguitine that the baptism of infants was for the remis- sion of original sin horVith the opin- ion of PelSgius that there was no such thing as, original sin inherent in our nature. Their testimony to a fact, not an opinion, is ■ what we want, and their testimony to the fact of infant baptism is clear and beyond question^ Our third witness is Origin, who was born about eighty-tive years after the death of Ht. John. He was one of the most learned of the early fathers, and descendetl from christian parents. His ancestry for three generations had been Christian^ His father suffered martyrdom. Such a man must have been familiar with the customs a id practices of the church, from the Apos- tolic age. He travelled extensively in all parts of the world where churches bad been established, spending most of his life in Syria and Palestine, where the first churches were planted by the Apostles themselves. He says : "The ch'urph had from the Apostles them- selves an injuntion to give baptism to infants." Again, in his homily in Luke, he says; ''I will mention a thing that causes frequent inquiries Anmng the brothren— infants are bap- tized for the forgiveness of ftin." I have nothing to do with the opinion now of Origin that baptism of infants was for the remission of sin. lam not discussing that proposition- now but settling the fact of the practice of infant baptism in that age. Our fourth witness is Cyprian, who was cdtemporary with Origin. He presided over a Council of sixty-six bishops, held at Oarthage, about 150 years after the death of St. •fohn,'pne Fidus, a country pastor, had raised the tpiestion whether a child ought to be baptized before it was eight days old. This question was submitted by letter to the sixty-six bishops, who, after due consideration," returned the following answer;— Oyprian and others of the college of bishops who were present, sixtyrsix in number, to Fidus, - our brother, greeting : We read your letter most dear brother, etc., so far as it pertains to the case of infants, whom you think oiight not to be baptiz- ed within the seconder third day from their birth ; and that the ancient law of circumcision should be observed, so that none should be baptized and sanc- tified before the eighth day after birth; it seemed, to all in our council, Other- Avise. For as to what you proposed to be done, there was not^one of your opinion, but on the.- contrary, it was our unanimous decision that the grace and mercy of God should not be de- nied to any as soon as bora." Now the validity of infant baptism was iiot the question submitted at all. The queatiod submitted submitted t-o. the Council was whether infants might be baptized before they were eight days old. The council decided that they might be baptized as soon as they wercyborn. Here we have the testi- mony not of Cyprian alone «but the testimony of sixty-six bishops ol the., church I n^enof inteUi|;ence, tnenwho- it inquiries ita are bap- at Rin." I the opinion 1 of infants nn. I am isition' now I practice of prian, who ■igin. He i)f sixty-six about 150 1. John,'pne i raised the ought to be it days old. id by letter 0, after due le following hers of the ire present, Fidus, -our road your etc., so far of infants, }o be baptiz- rd day from ancient law observed, so id and sane- after birth; incil, other- proposed to >ne of your rary, it was i.t the grace not be de- aril." Now iptism was at all. The tted t-o. the its might be ! eight days I that they >pn as they 3 the testis ine (but the biops of the ;e, men who THE COOPER-LEVERTON DEBATE. 53- must have known if infant baptism were the practice of the church, ami who must have known if it were an innovation. That it was tl«* pi aetice of the church at that time, a 150 - years after the death of St. John is beyond all question, and tijat it was not »n innovation is eaptism. The greavt historian, ' Philip Schaff, also Steit/., and the .rit-ai historians, Kisher, H ist, pp ■* I j ?)7, 84, and Kurt/, Hist. p. 1 tU. Ml prove that iegeneratiw, T will introduce one more. The last witness that 1 sihall intro- duce is Justin Martyr, who was I .or ^ five years before the death of St. Jt*n, and who wio^e alxiut S-') years after the deatli of John. He says : " Seve- ral persons among us, of sixty and seventy years old, of both sexes, who were made disciples to Christ in their infancy, continue uncorrupted." He uses the very term which our Loj'd uses in his great commission to make disciples of all nations (emathetenthe- aan.) Tfhese persons were made dis- ciples in their infancy (ek paidon), and therefore must have been discipled A. D 65 and 76, in the apostolic age, and from 25 to 30 years liefore the death of St. John. To be made disciples they must have been baptiz d, for the commission says, " Make disciples of ail nations, baptizing' them," etc. He also says in his " Questions and An- swers to the ♦rthodox." The infant (te brephe), of the good are deemed worthy of baptism, through the faith of those who bring them to be bap- tised. Justin Martyr certainly was a competent witness and his testimony ■|j' i^ is conclusive. No historic fact whatever is suscep- tible of larger, stronger, or more posi 'i 84' •' ■ 'Ulb COOPER-L^fHRTON DEBATE. v ' ■'.■■■^ ■''-"-■'•§! ■■■-'•■ »••■■■-«■ ••,,;'•:.:■::.■,';■ ^ tive proof than f.\u%t intaiit IwiptiHin v«ut .shouting f i- it. Notwithstanding the "the practice ^•►ft'c vjHJstolic Church', fact that J' hav« fuJly ajisw^^wd his ^ Perhaps no other ninit evermore thor- ai-gilij.ents. he will gp on to Mark 16: oughly i^vp.stigllted-tll^^|llisk^^y of in- 16; the fiernuch, the Jailer and T^ydia fftut bapt sni ihiiflk did Dr. Wait. Mi^i rehasiirng all the ^tiuie, and though I work is a standaVd/ Having survey- have quoted more" Scripture by far- «d.theh »whole (ield he mi^eH the fol- jgthan he has he will still ask for Scrip- lowing summary. (Wall, vol, 2, chap, <^ture. f He will tell you that I have jc, p.SOi ) "J^astly, ais, these evidences proved nothing aud'perhaps that he ' &re for the, first four ^hundred years, in Fuis nothing to reply tfl> 'He reminds which there appears ono tian, TertuI- one of tjife boy who saw in the road "Jian, that advised the delay^f infant an object. He made up his mind he baptism in some cases; and one Ore- would kick it, buVas be approached it gory, that ditl,t ptnlkps, pr;ictice sucli , he found'^lmt it. looked very hard doJay in the c^se of his children, but and he cimcluded that if heTiickedit, no\*ociety of tiieii so thinking or so it would huft his toes, so.lie did not kf9k it 4 lily friend will talk for V Vhile but he will only .talk t<) kill- time, he will not'^. reply t<> my ai-gu- iHtnts. He wyi not examine*' iny ' 8*^.a(enients, jis to the meaning of the Oreek wgrd (tecknon). He will not examine my statements as >x) the fami-' ly of Lydia, "The infant children of her ho se " . He will not attempt to' refute the historical ariruuient just given by me* My friend has entirely failed to overthrow niy position. I have thei-efore established it beyond ^a'out the yea*' A. D. 1130, 6ne sect Among the Albigencesde<*lared against ' the baptizing of if ants, as being in- . capable of salvation, the main body of . that people rejected their opinion and thos of them t\uit held that o[)inion quic'ry dwindled away and di.sappejtr- ed there beiu;i U?) more heardof holding that tenet till the ri.sing of the (Jei^ man Anti-Ped(»biiptists ,^ aniM), 1.522. With the exception of wwinr^mall .sect in the 1 2th century. jv» nian, person or sect can lie found, fiom the Apostles down to the sixteenth century, who denied or even called in question the validity of infant baptism." I have now jwesented to you argu- ments that I t.uow cannot be answer- ed, in favor of infant l)aptisn>. ' Will my opponent even try t() reply to them? No, he 'know.n he can- not. But he will again tell you that' I Ivave not given Scrip'titre and that there is no command, no exaiiiple, and lie will shont for a chapter and verse Time expired. MR. LEVERTON'S FOURTH REPLY. Mil. fJiiAiRiwAN, Ladies and Gentle- men -When time was called I wa8dw:eH- where infant baptistn is found It in{»^ni^the point of circunicision repre matters not that I hive given the sehting the burial of Christ. Bap chapter and verse he. will go right on tism does repre^sent thils but oircum •glad i tanding the [iBw^Md his Mark 16 : iind Lydia d^ though I .ure by far-, k for Scrip- hat I have ,p8 that he Idle reminds h the road is mind he pf<>ached it very hard i^tiickedk, tie did not talk for H' dlk t() kill- >i my ai-gu- amine** my ring of the le will not lO the fami-' drildren of afctemp't to' uient just as entirely osition. I it beyond point out , irae where » at qhurqh now leave' ;htful con. REPLY.^ dGentle- wasdwell- ,\i ■■<"*•■ -*i *>.■■ THE COOPER-LEVERTON^^DfeBAtE. Sft oision does not. • ^fy Opponent says ** disciple all nations" di?«w not mean to dip them. Doesn't teaching inclddei ■discipling the nation,? TheVe are two kinds of teaching, one, 18 teaching be- ^ , , .. -ftn-e they are baptized #nd aftw they" a word aliout feceivmg theni by water, are biiptized. They are to be taught if circuincision /lft^ not repealed but tt» observe '^ all things." Thi^ propo- ' simply transferred/rtJm one liifeni bgr «f I never said eh'at children were put out> hor that they- were nat in the church. I have shown you that 'the law was changed. , Ghript received the children, out did not say m sition says, that "infant baptism is of Bible aiithorityv I am accused of travelling all ovek-i«lie Bible, bu£ I will still keep within the standard to prove this Vop**^^^^"" to be faW. My op-* ponent has not only travelled over thfe Bible but has gone back into History until before Christ.. - Isa. 24: i), says: "There was to have been a falling a^i^y. ' The earth aKso is defiled under the* body: Gen. 17: 23, tiV aiiother member of the body," the KejM't: Then - circuuieision has not been ^repealedj v only that it is converted froiii^prnal'v to spiritual cirpuincision. Tljen' bap- tism will not,tit'tn with the law. Bap-'' tiam re- raham i^c'eiv6d circu,n>cision at^ tirst tered at eight days old. 'Again bpsay^ baptism doefnot save the cliild.. .1 am . glad ; to hear " that,- As "for Christ's hand* being the s6al, I did not .say that. T said that Christ's hand Was placed ^n the children and they re- life in you. Itcannot be on account of *. 1.1 L.i _r vi.u„ „^:2.:i t* ..,oo w;<>lr changed and they . were. govern<>d ap- dersta^ding " Acts 16: 3, show that " cording to the tradittoiis of the times . the Gentiles were hot requited, to obey , iti. whibl<^hey lived. .1, have sbojf^n the law of circumcision i . Mr. Cooper asked me wh^ did-tmd. put children -out of thechurc|i4. yod thAt a oliild hhs no sins to < ^ mit, that faith is necessary to receive it and other "things, tjiat a child cannot i I Gtwl/ has .Jfjven, the .token, but has, not repealed it. He has provided ,the laying on .of hands as the medium through which thtj seal — the Holy" SpMt, . ii»i givtMi: Whe»B jjh^rei^.no law there iJ« no transgreS.- i^auseJf luSiilh and ^ -.;si6n Children know nolaw, Jo^n 10: Kut after that it wa^to be SulWrinis-i 4, " Christ came not taaill thehght- - |- . i . • i^j_.. .1^ . a"„„;.jj<.. «„«i* eous but' sinners to re pen tancfe. ■ It il children need the baptism they i\eed tiie Lord's supper. John The -'■*' .'■,'•■ i:& \:."' _i_^p!U_:^,... ^t-_ .■j:r -+T-V '.ii&K, .-v V HptiBm was »ge." >< 9 baptiKin of ituries after lown; butin ^as allowed jtnd follow- Y received. infantH did rd age^ af- the foruier I and it was 3iumand of 1 M f\T'- 'VilW -Is: ' N. Tj 4-; '"•■ : _■ ■ , ' -' ■' _*:''■■'■-■■■■. n f ^ THIRD' F»ROPOSmON FOR DISCUSSION. THE iMMERSlpN OF THF, BOUY IN VVaTEH IS ESSENTIAI. TO SALVATION. • ■^» u ELnEH LEVERTON AFFIRMS. *> U It MR. LEVEitfflN'SFI,RST SPEECH: Mr. Chairman, La'Ujes ANoGENTLfe- MEX, — The proDpsltitfn , for this even- ' ing, as has beim read is, The inimorsion of the body As jBssejitial to " salvation. It is impossible in discussing this sub ject ,i||^|Lyoid "icovering vsome df the isame^round thaV has been covered before, bulb we bhall touch it as slight- ly as possible. ' First, let us lookvAt Romans 1:; 16, "The gospel of Jesus Christ is tlie power of jpod^ unto salvation'. Now I obelieve' that every couniiand that is ooniained in that gospel is necessary tci salvation, not^on|y f-'ii^h itnd repen- tance, but also liupCisni To them that say to Him, Lord, Lord and do not His commandments he will say, " Depart from me, I never knew ydit." , Did Jesus come to this World of ours Olid in*.roduce an ordinance only to be treated as not to be observed, as though it were to be used, or not to be used, just as we feel? In Luke 1: 31: 50,. says, "There went out to him Jerus9,lem and all Judea, and wero baptized in \Jiordah,v confessing their sins. Herei^e find there was confea- siort of sins to John l>y those who came to his baptism. M»irk 4: 4, *' John did baptise in tlw? wilderness and preach the baptism of rM)entance for th'd remission of, sins. It thfe is the , object, for the renxjssion of sins, oer* tainly .that had something to do with Tia-ptism, liuke 3: 3, '* And he cam© into all the .country about Jordan, preaching the baptism' of repentance 'fof the remissiort "of sins," "Undoubt- edly it was for the remussibn of sins," then itii< deftairiiy essentiaLfor salva- tionif we are told that by it sins are remitted. N]jw we discover bjr the history given i*i. the' Biblb that it did prepare them, for Jesuis>accepted some . of them who were converted by John. Luke 7: 29-36, »'AHd aH the; people •that^ heard him * * * Justified God, being baptized with the hnptism of John, but the Pharisees and law'yers rejected the counsel of God Against themselves," not being baptized* l^f him. ^ 17 we read that this John was sentto ' Then if this is a commandment of, prepare people for the Lord. How God is it not esserftial f6r salvationi $^d he go to work to do this? Matt. He that sayeth he lovfeth Me an^ \ es TBif qooPBa-i^vs^ keepetfa not ^y oomn^andments is « I J Hkt" John was sent of God and Johuh feaatified of hini. InLuko 24: «&'49, ' #• fihd that the uiesHengor wn»t to j^o ^th9 nations and preach n^pentunce and the reraiBsion of HinM in His name, J bat thev were to t^rry in Jerusalem until they w^ere endued with the spirit from on hiffii. John 20: 23, "Wboaoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto thetn and whosoever iins ye retain they are retained." How were they to remit or retain . rins f Just in the same way that John the Baptist c(id. Bring forth fruits untb repentance, Th^ sihs were re-^ taiioed to those who did not bring "'forth fruits of repeh^oe and they were remitted to those wVo did. Rom 8: 25, "Whom God hath set forth to the Lord of G6d. ^hen they said, " What shairwe do? Now 'they have received the endowment M the Holy Spirit. What does Peter say T . "That Jesus has done everything f No, He Hays, i' Repent every one of you' and b^Jtaptized for the remission of sins, lliese men were to remit them because' they were officers in the church and took: the place of God. And now he says; ^'hepent and be baptized and 'after that ye shall receive the Holy Ghost. Peter knew what he was u^ng about. ||e was instructed of the Lord. In Acts 19; 1*5, we have another case of bap- tism administered by Paul. In Acts, 9th chap., we have ah individual who thought he was scrvihg God by perse- outing the Christians. He gets au- ba a propitiation throf)gh faith, in his Jthority to go to DaAiascusfor this pUr blpoa id declare his righteousness for pose, and while on the way he waa ' the ftbini^ision , of -sins that are past stopped by the voice of God. He through the forbearance of God. This iafbrihe rei^issioh of '^sins that are Her6 ure discover J^hat God has been • merciful to us Viefore we repented and >. J'^us has made propitiajtion for sfu« y^hat are past. In Act* 2: I , we "read, ;!and when the day of Pentecost was ^ oome they were all with one accord' in asked | what m ust I . do ? H e is told "godbwn to tha city and thou shalt be told what thou must do." In the meantime Ananias has been sent to Paul. He Tises and goes without be inar tf»W \>H|iat to say,- and laying his httiidKoii Pairl, sayH, " the Lord that appeared to fcliee * * ♦ hath serit k me to thee that thou migh test receive place,- and suddfenly there came thy sight and be HI led with the Holy linoky^n a sound, as 6f a' rushing Ghost" 'Nothing has yqt befin told wind * ♦. „* ^nd there /him ahoyt what he imtst say. Th«»A unto,* them cloven tongueS inimedijit(-ly there fell from his eyes, lire Jlnd it sal upon each of as it wore, scales, and heroseandwos they Were air filled with the ; baptized. In Acts 22 ; 16, it speaks Holy Ghost. After that adrainistrh,'' of Ananias going to him and saying, tion 90me of the people commenced to ' "Brother 'baul, why tarriest ^thou f mock and said these men were filled „ with wine, but Peter said, ".Th^se are ^ not drunken as ye suppose,^* seeihg it fe but the third hour (of the day, but ^^ this is that which was spoken by „the Prophet Joel, .saying, * And it shall ( SomiB to p »iss in the last d ayi^. saith Ar^se, and I >e baptized and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Now, I "jisk, is this hot an .ordinance for the remission of sins, I, Peter 3 : 2Q-21. Which sometime were disol.'ejliont when once the-long- suffering of (»oout. ^e In Acts use of bap' In Acts, ddual who 1 byperse- I gets au- >r this par- ay he was ]^od. He [}e is told thou shalt 1." In the in sent to 'ithbut be laying his Lord that hath sei\t est receive ii the Holy befsn told ay, Th«»A ) his eyes, se and wiik , it speaks knd saying, iest ^thuu ? wash away ime of the his hot 'an >n of sins, sometime e the'long- ;he day s of f THE Cj^PBtl-LSVBRTOK D£BA,T£. 59 whereunto even baptism doth also now knoV what it was. It is evident th4t save us, (not the putting away of the they preached to him baptism for the til h of the Mesh, but th« iinHwer of a remi^Hion of siiv*, for the result waa good conscience toward God) by the that they were baptized. Mark 16: resurrection of Jeaus Christ., Here 16, says, "He that believeth and ii^ we have Peter declaring that eight baptised shall be saved," That is the sopls were saved- by water, and liy the wdrd preached by the Apostle. In like figure we .'shall be saved. What Matthew 49 : 16-21, a youQg man is righteo^isnesd ? By th< right«)u«- comes to Jjesus Christ and sliys: "what nessol faith is God revealed f atie to shall, I do to inherit eternal lifet face . Jews said. Matt. 8; 15, "suflter Jesus said : '"^ Keep the^^ oommaod^ it to b*^ so, for thus it becometh us to ments.'" Thou shalt n«4rsteaV etc. fulfil all righteousness.'* Then if Noah was a preacher of righteousness, he was a preacher of the G^poT. My opponent says the phurolr^ras the same from the>0giuiungof the World,. so he -go must admit -that the Gospel was the cu\ He sitid, all these have I kept; Jesus si'iid, '* If ,,thou. wouidst bc^ perfeotsell all thou hast now and follow me. If he had followed him he Would have to 6 through the waters of baptism be* use JeauS said, "It becometh us to rule of life- from the ^ginning. Noah fulfil all righteousness, and what he being a (Treacher of righteousnt^ss, and says to all of us is ,to follow- in his one of the principles of righteousness fpotsteps. . Why was Jesus baptieedl being baptism, then, Pete? says, by Was it for His salvation 1 We are the^liVe tigur?. Wcause Nbah was a, fold; "He.took upon Him not the ha> preacher of tifhteousness and obeyed tureof angels but of men." He took that^righteousne s he was fioyfid from our sins upon Him.' It was not for the flood. They were saved as by Hitf own sins that. He was baptised water.. The ' Ark was figurativ;e of but for ours, and He set the example spiritual salyajtion. The-Jike figure" that<«»^ might follow, it. In_ Liv. 4; whereiiuto baptism doth now save u.s. 18, we have a type,' in the law for the Not the p.utting . away of the filth of. qleabsing of the leper. The killbg ol the flesh, bu|t the answer of a good ,one bird over the earthen vessel of conscience towards God. Not by watPr and , dipping t^ other in the works of righteousness which we have blood and, water, the fihstwas a t^pe done, but" accordi'^^, to His mercy ht of Christ and the secqn^ of the sinner, saved us by; the Washing of regenera- His blood ran down ^ to the earth 'and tion and, the renewing of the Holy (xhoat. It won't do io say that it is the spiritual regeneration that saves us but the baptism. The. water is the qlieansing element and cleanses the in- dividual for the renewing of the Hoiy Spirit that beareth witness. Ghost upon' him^ In" Acts 16: 30-30, For there are *hree that bear recbrd the individual asks "what shall I do in heaven, tlie Father, the Word and to b6 saved r? The answeT is, "^g/ the Holy Ghost. * ^ ■ * And was mixed with > the water of the earth.' I *John 5: 6-8. This is He which came by water; and blood, ewen Jesu.s Christ, not by .'water only, Hut by water and . bhtod, and it is tip I Jieve on the Lord Jestis Christ and thou shalt be savecl." The Apostle spake unto thiniblie word of the Lord and th^ were baptized, he and his, ^ straightw8,y. What is speaking the *wc«ilof the Lord t The jailor didn't there are three :that bear witness on earthy thie Spirit, the .Water atid the/ ^ Blood, and these three agree in one-' Here we l^nd that three of t&e wit^/ nesses of Octd on earth agree'in c the water, th^ . spirit and the Uc prepanug, y loj^ls, wert. ike figure ^ OhriHt'« Mood wiw h1h*<1 fortlie leniiH- Hion of flii). The water ngriHis with iho liltjftd. Which of th«'n« thiwi witnrH8«H ciui wr ,UH Huid, "Urileas ye are born of water and of the Spirit ye shall not entfr into the Kingdom of (ilod." Jt ie» not sulti- cient thut we-4>e born of the S^ipirit. If I said "that all that is necessary is .to be born .of the water, what would my opponfent say ? " Then it is essen- tial that we be bom ut Ijoth and > ex- cept wetare and obpy all the require- ments of G|pd^ we connot enter into that pe^l^ct sta,te and have all the en- joyn|tftits of Gotl •[ cannot avoid touiclnng the inod«j here for you can- ,;.*ibt be born of the water unless v<>u " are immersed in it. You nmst tirst be saved by the water and then you receive the Spirit, €ok 2: 11-12. In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision not made with hands in putting oft the body of the sins of the flesh, etc. * ;,.,^ ' Time expired. < MR. COOPER'S FIRST REPLl Mli. CHAtnitAJf, L.\DtES AND OEXtLE- MEN,— My opponent says he is feeling better. I am glad he is. so well and egain to Lev feels so able to discuss this question, and thatrhe.has three or four bntther elders to assist him. He will need all the assistance he can get hefore wc get to the end of this proposition, and if lie proves the proposition he affirms he will cfo butter t%An any oiie t ever, imw or heard of yet. Ibl has quoted many texts, but not one of the textM he quotes, ^yhcn pro* perly interpreted, afTords the Irast proof tfhat |l)e immersion of the body in wiit«r,is essential to salvation. My friend quoted Luke 24; 4 7>^ 'And' that repentance and ruiuiHsiori nf 'sio« should be preached In his name/'* In this text there" is not a, word abou|_ baptism and I du not know, .what h« qu ted it for. It is not immersion of * the body in water, but repentance and remimoii of. sins by relying oA* the name of Jesus Christ that the Aupstl^es " were to prei^ch. He next quoted John f:Os 23,<'Who8e sins ye rftmit, they areTcmitted." This^ gentleman told you that men's sins are remitted by immersing the body.' in .water. The text does not say so.- • It is but ah inference of .Mr. Lever on,." and he does not' like inferences so he ought not to give them to us. The text says not one word about baptism, whether by sprinkling or pouring or immersiorl. Mr. Leverton asks, "How are sins' remitted.". I will tell him, I. John 1: 9, "lif wq confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us oiir :;«tni:i and to cleanse ua frdiri all unright- eousness." "^ . The gentleman says^thatXhr^st was baptized for our sins'j that is immersed in water for our sins. Paul says, "Christ died for our sins," I. Cor. 15: 3. which of "these statements will you accept I Mr. Lever to;i states one thing, Paul, another, directly the op- posite. I think you will prefer an inspired Apostle's stateuj,ent to that of Mr. Leverton. My friend comes 14: 4-6, hut 1 .dp not know tor what. He has tead that text each time he has spoken yet, and very likely we shall hear it to the end of the discussion. \ He says tha live bird, dipped in the^lood of the killed bird, represents the\inner immersed, hut the 1 not Autlk It WIUI live bird the bloot inersed i that the 'and that ing was Hprinklit sprinkle ed from fc. My o case of t Hition, fa doing B' dence at mersed, .the grei baptizec cond yiu ter totl 16: 30 besavec the Lor be savec direct q Paul ha said wh immersi sentiul so, he s might answer Ues tht content first a cleansii , of Chri he rece We ^ Acts 9 and vn the nil affords sion. by the npon t water mendo ever, mw , but not 'hen pnj' the Irast the Vwdy ion. My And'that of '«io« liie.'" In I'd about what he ierBion of • ' bunco and ^ oA' the rApoBtt^es" 3,«»Who8d 3d." Thb len'H sins . the body )t say SO; ' Lever on,," ces ao'he U8. The t baptism, ouring or ks, "How ill him, I. r Bins, he VG us oiir II waright- Ilhr^st was immersed i^aul says, . Cor. 15: will you tuteN one y the op- prefer an to that of nd comes 1 do not i-eod that 1 yet, and i;o the endf » th& liv« the killod immersed, 4 I ii*v- /^ tllE COOPBRLEVERTOIf DEBATlt'bv^^^ tt but th«j l»looo«n «cale», sprinkle uppn hirn that if* to be cleans- and he rccei^'pd his Sight forthwith, ed from th* leprosy seven tiuio'j." and arose and was bapti«ed." The My opponent next appeals te the gentleman appealed as I expected h« case of the Jailer to prove his propo-, would U) four iMissages in particular as Hition, but ho is most unfortunate in the gre it proof texU of the Bible in doing BO. For first there is no evi- support of Bapt smal Reraissiotit They dence at t^ll that the Jiiilej- wu« im- are at« £ollows : 1. "John did baptize mersed, but oifthe contrary there is and preach the baptism of repent- the greatest probability that he was Dut the Jordan, preaching: the Lord Jesus Christ and tho^ shalt the baptwn of repentance for the re- be saved, and thy house.'*^^' -Holre. is a mission ■of Sim?," (Luke 3: 3.) 4, "R«^ direct question and n, direct anf^wer, pent and be baptized, every one of Paul had a goo<\ oppn the name of the Lord, not _by water baptism, certainly not by im- mersion. This is in harmony with ^ one word about -baptism for the remis- sion of sins. Mr. Leverton and Mor- mon elders neve^ preach a sermon, touching the forgiveness of sins "that they do not teach baptism or imnVer^ sion in water as t^e very essence o| 61 i The coopbr leverton debate. ihe grmpf^, And without which aurnUHt Im daiiined. VViim thitru «v»r n greutifr uoiitriMt than in tnuml in ChriHt'ii t««chitig and that of I^attcir Day SaiaUi' toachiiig." hfow, lut um tor>K at theae pkasagen and^ oxnmine them, Mark 1:0, "And there went out unto him all ^he land of .r uden and they of Jcrutaledi, and were all baptized of him in the River of Jordan, confeiiBUng their sinii." Here wa» nothing more than a public confetiHion thtiC they were sinners, The text declares noth- ing more. How they were to receive remission of sins the text does not state, whether by Itaptl^m or by faith (ir by anything else. This text leaves the whole matter so far as toiiow they were to receive remission of sins en- tirely to conjecture. This text then people wlifim he haptiised, '• that they RiUHt l)eliev«) on the I^ord Jesus." John tiiught the same doctrine that Paul did, that reniimiim i% obtainml through faith in Jy pointing the people to Christ mission of sins. Surely anyone can fuid saying, "*'Behoid the Lamb of God see the absurdity of such a contention, that takoth away the sins of the Either John's baptism was for re wclrld," and John exhorted the people mission of sins, or Christian baptism to believe in Jestts through whom along remission of sins could be ob- tained. In Acts 19: 1-5, Paul affirms that John's baptism was " the baptism of is for remission of sins or neither wi^ for remission of sins. If John's bap^ tism was, " the baptism of repent- ance and not of remisision" then the -whole argument based upon this text repentanoe," and that John taught th^ falls to the ground and the oontro. '■»:', tHX OOOPBA-LEYBBTON DBBAT& •Hh»ti!i«y jctrd Joiuii." ootritifl that i« obtAinml and not by kpttz«d onto bed faith in it%t him, for inn waa for if Ohristian A Rins, then >r the r(Mni»> jHtamentand the miniBtry and of the ^wice for the whom J^ohn taptized with itian baptitun nninff of the practised by ry with the 3: 22-26; 4: ire nny man >he reinisAion f the people itted by his «d again by the twelve istunce, Acts f^ere baptized I baptism re- irhy did Paul remission of was for re- tian baptism i then these ;wice for re' anyone can a contention. was for re- ian baptism neither waii John's bap- of repent- n" then the wn this text the oontro. vemy lo far aa this pMsagn \n concern •d i« at an end. If we tako the |MMi tion that John's baptiani won f(»r tbH remiiaion of tins aitd (Christian 4;^p tinrn ia not, the point is aurrenderAfl. The truth in that aeither John'a (jap tiam nor Ohristian tjaptisro waa instituted fur remiMsion of sins, both Nt«iid as the outward eiK uf the inward and spiritual oleii[ of the soul by the baptism of thn ^ Spirit, which John conntantly poii to aa the a/ititvpn of bis own baptism with watei^ If, an my opponent 4MI^ |ei*ts, no Ohe is evtu* nuid to lie iNiptir. ed for anything else than for i\w rc- miasion of sins how about the Inip- tism of Jesus ? Was Jesus baptized for the remission of sins ? i thiak not, Jesus was without sin. The law required that Aanm and his sons should be washed with water at the door of the talx^rnaole, and an- ointed with oil, to consecrate them to the priestly office. Jesus Christ is th«^ Oreat High Priest of the church of God, and it was necessary m he enter- ed upon the priesthood, which was to supersede that of the House of Aaron, that he should be publfcly consecrated to his priestly office. John, as the legal high priest of the House of Israel hod the right publicly to oonsci^rttte the Great High Priest, who should forever thke the place of the typical priests of his own order. B^ his bap- tism, Christ fulfilled the righteousness of the law in this respect. The washing of the High Priest at the doi^r of the tabernacle was sym- bolical of the inward purification which a priest uiuSt have to minister ^coepbabiy before the Lord ; and the auoihting was symbolical of the power of the Holy Ghost resting upon him. So Jesus was washed with water syni- Iwlical of his iinntaculate purity, and House of Tsraet, but embrMii tiM whole human family ; hon«e his oon- Huoraticm '■iiok place by the side of a river, un«ler the. canopy of heaven. At thn door of that universal hunuinity, over vrhioh heft««forth his prie.tlv of- fice was to lie exeroiaed. It wiQi iu tltis way that his baptism fulfilled dU, ghteousness. i If Johu's baptism was s«iiboUcaU>f )ral purity then it was"n»per Ad ght that Christ should Im> iN^fiMl as repr»- lie manifestation of Christ to Israel by his consecrat'on to his priest- ly office, and soon after ceas- ed altogether by his imprisonment and death. John's baptism furnishes no proof for my friends positioir, We now '^oiurt to John .'y 5, " Ex- cept a man be l>orn of water and of the spirit," etc. It is remarkable that whili the spiritual birth is freouently spoken of as "born of God," "Wnof the Spirit," " born inm\ above," "born again," "born of water," occur but once in the Bible. A ruler of the .fews caiiie to Christ and inquired con- ■ '#1 anointed with the Holy Ghost ; not at the door of the tabernacle, fo^' his priestl^r offiiK Js. «ot ^atinM the cerning his doctrine. Jesus uttered the words of the text. Surel/ there ifl^ aq j^reat mystery about imicaer alott. 1 K4. U THE OOOPER-LEVERTON DEBATE. If John had b«en baptizing all 8um< xner by immersion as our friend con- tends, and if the passage is so clear and plain that anyone ought to under- stand it vdio has a bit of hon«>sty in him. Hf)w i? it that Nicodeinus did not understan be arrayed in rhite ; for the fhteousness of id made white nh, is a figure the great, truth iway, and the id clean in the od of Christ ■ed. ;■■;". : :r THE COOpEU-LEVEHtON I>F4B \TE Oh MB. LEYERTON'S SECOND SPEECH. . Mb. Ohaikman, Ladies and Gbntle- MBM.—It sometimes seems too bad thftt Scripture should be so mystified that we may not understand one an- other, and one reason for it is that the private interpretation of m n is put upon it. However, we have so far agreed to disagree. My opponent says I am an able debater and have good assistance. I didn't know that I was very able. I had about two minutes to prepare for this before coming, while you have all seen the web of painted cotton displayed by ray friend. He tfiust have got sitae help with that. In Luke 1*? : 24, ^e says there is no biiptism. I did not say there was, but I said that it showed that they were to preach the remission of sins Again the question is, "How were they toremitsins?" .If it does not mean what I said, why does he not tell you what it does me^n. How were these people to remit sin I ask my opponent to explain. Perhaps he will go back to the Greek. Are you going to tike the translation of one iuan against fifty four good and learned men. Then I said they were to wait at Jerusalem till the spirit came upon them.*^ Now here is the first opport4nity that they had* to practice the remittance of sins, and ' Peter said, '• Repent, every one of you, for the remission of sins?" That ^s not what he said. What the Bible says is, "Repent everyone of you and be baptized for the remissbn.of sins." Whenever my opponent is cornered he resorts to Greek We hear of the Qospel being proacbed to .the Jews a stumbling block, and to the Greeks foolishness. Is that w h y he always mersed does not destroy our reliartoe on Dhristf'ir salvation. I did not say that Jesns was bjiptiated for our,, sins, but that he took on Him t^i^in of the world, the original f^i,^^ when he came to John's baptism, John " said: "Behold the Lombof Gad that taketh away the sin of the wor|d. Then, in ord^ to show us an example, he became obedient to the law, whi^jh he himself had established My op- ponent says "for" is not "for." |I have learned that "for" can be tranis- lated, in, for, with and iinto. Fift|)r- four men translated it for.* Now >ye have it unto, that i« preaching unto^ the remission of sins. But **for" is" just as proper for this as "unto" is'. |f his translation is true jbhen they did not receive the remission of sins whei^ they repented and they were only^ preaching the remission of sins when thuy were baptized Acts 16 : 30-33f\ the cafles of the jailor, he says he \ doesn't see anything new. There are two kinds of. blind people, one is blind because they can't see, and other, be- cauiSft they w^ont see. Beliovei on the Lord Jesus Christ. W'hat is it to be- lieve on Christ ? It is not only to. be- lieve that he is the Son of God. There are many who l)elieve that, who are wallowing in .sin. The devils also be- lieve and tremble It is believing in the Gospel Vif Christ that saves men.^ The 4octrine of Christ is the plan of salvation. He that heareth these say- ings and doeth them, shall be likened to a man who built his house upon a rock. WHat was there to do 1 Paul preached unto them th v Word of the Lord, and he that believeth and is baptized is saved. What is the re- sult? The jailor believed the word of , the Lord and he and his believed and were baptized and were saved. Now in the case of Paul's baptisitt my 6p- ponent ^ ays there is notbinglsaid there ' about remission ot sins. If there was ■ I ■■! /■L jumps into the Greek. Our being iin- nothing in this denying the Wowl of 1 <'■»•»»■ «;;* r^i .//■ 66 THE eOOPER.LEV^KTON DEBATE. :, ■■-. -♦ ■ V..J Qod, certainly thM is a point. What found them- liara." Now jou ban •«• do '8 Paul say before the people at that there had been some false teaqh- Jerusalem. He says that Ananias Mid to him, " Arise and b« Iwiptizyrl and wash away thy sins, cjillingon th« name of the Lord." The Bible says the sinner is to bo washed for the re- mission of sin. But my opponent says he was baptized after the remis- ers at Epliesun. They had lieen tried !ind fttuiid li*ar», so " when the true Ap(\sile of Christ eame, they knew nothing about the Holy Ghost. Here Wa^ the'work of the true apostle and they found that thoso others were liars. Iwant n»y opponent to prove sion. Acts 19 : 1-6, Paul at Ephesus, that they had ever been baptized by baptizing those who had obeen baptized John at all. No doubt they- thought by John. He says John's baptism was they wet-e. John 3 : .% " Born of wa- unto repentance. I believe that ter and of 'the spirit." He says water Was the remission of ;,|ins unto re tioes not mean water, it means spirit, pentahoe too ? He preached the gos- He refers to John 7 : 38, " He that pel of repentance, then rep ntance believetb on me, out of his belly shall must be another baptismu^ Paul asked flow .rivers of living water.*' Jesus these disciples if they had been bap- qualifies what he said. The words tized. They ans w^red that they had that I speak are spirit and life. You by JohnW baptism. Then said Paul, "John veriljRi baptised with the baptism*^ of repentance, saying nnto the people, that they should l»eli«ve on Him which should eome after Hi m, that is, on Christ must be born of water and of the spirit. My opponent says you must be born of the a|Dmfk-aud of the spirit or you cannot. j>c^^^ to the kingdom of Ood. Does sprit mean what it says there, if so why doesn't water Jesus. When they .heard this they inean what it says 1 Here we have were baptized in the nanle of the liond them side by side, and they are both requisite to God. I believe the revis- ed translation reads tKe^same Way, and Jestis." Let us turn back to the mis sion of John. John says : ** T indeer) baptise you with water, but He that eometh after me who.^e shoe-latchet I am upworthy to unloose. He shall bap- tise you with the HolyilJhost and with tire '' If these people were not saved by baptism,, they were not bap- tized by John They had not even .heard of Christ's l»aptism. As soon as Paul heard this he knew that some- thing was wrong and he baptized truth, no matter what we may sjiy them, and then, when he l.iid his hands on them they received the Holy Ghost. We do not hear of any of John's disciples being re-baptized. Jesus received them without other baptism. Hn was baptizod by* John himself. Hev. 2 reads: "Unto the angel of the church of EphesUs writej 1 know' thy works * * * * and thou hast triedtthenv which nay. choy also the Douay Bible, and dci^s my friend say it iS not right. The reasim it is not right is because it does not bolster up his theory. Jesus said, " Except ye born of the water and of the spirit ye cannot enter into the kinn;doiii of Heaven." Now whos^ authorit)? are you going to take. Your, salvation! is upon the savred word ot' '/■ v,...J f- 1,7, ■•»«*> ••\ -^ you ban kte » false teaqh- il lieen tried en the true they knew ho8t. Here apoHtlo and others were 3nt to pruve baptized by hey- thought Born of wr-^ e says water iieunM spirit. 8, " He that is belly shall ter.*' .lesus The words d life. You and of the s you mu3t of the spirit the kingdom ean what it iesn't water »re we havo ley are both >ve the revis' ime way, and nd <\(j^ my The reason it does not Jesus said, ivater and of ter into the Now whose » take. Your ii-ed word o^^ may say. THE CpOPER-LfiVERT^N DEBAI^te. W ■ *»,- MR. COOPER'S SECOND REPLY. Mr. Ohaib.m^n, L.vdibs at»d Obvtle- MB!*,—Mv opponent says I, have dis- carded James' version and gone to the mysteries of the Greek. Well, I have (|Uoted from Jairies' version all the time with one or two exceptions. Why does my friend not go to the Mormon God for" a revelation ? ^e believes that his church possesses the gifts of vision and interpretation of tongues. It is a pity that he cannot get aid now so as to explain all these matters. My friend says he did not say that Christ was baptized for our sins. His memory is at fault. He said those very wards as, the audience can testify. Now will my opponent tell the audi- ence what is the fate of all the good Anglicans, Gtmgregationalists, Presby- ,; teriar^s and Methodistsi, who have died* without thti immersion of the body in water ? Wesley, Whitefield, and hosts of others who lived godly lives and died triumphant deaths according to my opponent's logic or doctrine have apne to hell. Of course his church teaches the doctrine of baptism '»y ■proxy. That is, if a man die,s in his sins «vithout immersion his friend or relative may tie immersed for him^nd delivei!' him from helK If by an act of faith a poor sinner may accept Christ; and ChriHfc may pardon his sins, then the sinner away from home, on the prairie, in the for-, est, on the dt^sert or upon the rocjos itt the ocean, far away from any other human being, may \te. saved. But if immersion t» neceEisary, aid if the sinner nnst wait until some man, be he Mormon, Campbellite, or by \Yh ftt- a Mormon elder, which is absurd and extremely ridiculous. The soul that repents and exercises faith may be saved without immersion and without the assistance of any itoan* God is neither limited to water nor to any man in ejecting •, the salvation of a sinner* I will now examine the jjreat fortress, the Gibralter-pf the doctrine of my opponent ahdw *l I those who teach Baptismal Remission. Acts 2 : 38. My friend in quoting this text left out ; the important part of it. He omitted the words " in the name of Jesus Christ." He left Jesus Christ ©ut of the text and put water in his place, and that is the only way he can prove his doctrine by leaving Christ out. I will quote it correctly for you, "Then said Pe;ter unto theni, repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ, foi* the remission of .sins.*' He says when I am cornered I resort I o the Greek. When he is cornered he leaves the important words out of th text He says I jump into Greek* He does not jump but he skipjs over 'the words. Why did he leave Jesus Christ out of this text. The whole argument rests upon the Greek preposition "epi," here translated "in." The mo5t->imp Hont doctrine of the' gospel ^ests for its support upon the interpretation of sSohe little Greek pre» position of three lettei-s. Take out this passage and you destroy thef'»un- dation«)f the whole system of Bap- tismal Remissioui /What is the mean- ing of "epi?" WiNEii, in his large Greek Grammar , of the NT., pp 592, 393, says: "Fig. uratively, epi dejiotes, in general, the foundation on- which an action or state rests; * * * * to do something upon the name of some « m B; i e; i n M -■■'9: S'V: ever name, comes along to administer baptism to him, he must perish. ' Sal- vation is thus taken out of the hands' of God and ia made to de|iend upon doing it to rely upon, or have refer* ence to, the name of some one." Pit. Edward Robinson, in his Greek . Iiexicon of the N. T., after (}aoting ■,»*i'*\/'-"ii; ■;.*•)'»'■ ■,w-< es Tftfe cbo^fiR^.RVifiRTON bli^Atti. the words of Peter ia this verse, iMys : ''Be baptized; that is, professing a V>e1ief in Hitn, and a devotediies i to His service." t * Tbater, in his Greek Lexicon, says:" " To do anything, epi to onomrtti, tinos, relying upon the niune, i. e.^ the authbi"- ity of any one * * * Baptistheto epi to onomati Christou, so as to i'^pose your hope and confidence in his Mes* sianic authority. (Acts 2: 38.)" These great authorities declaro that ii this passage " epi" means " relying upon,r"r -posing •«," etc. Nqw let u§ read the passage, giving "epiVthis sensei " Repent and be > aptized, every one ol you, relying on the name of Jesus Cfhrist for the remisiion of sins." Thus we see that a proper exegesj«i of this pi-obf text destroys the very found- ation of tbuK doctrine of Baptismal Remission. ' . ' . < "Then they were not baptized for the remission of sins, but relying upon the, name >6£ Jesus ChrisV they received femission of sins. ^ THfit this is the true medS!hi% of Peter's language on t^e day of Pente* cost is proved beyonp a doubt by his words to Cornelius a^ his h(wscfaold. Actsl0>43. ■ / Did Peter teach btte thing in Acts 2: 38, and another in Acts 10: 34-43 1 Cornelius was an efirnest, penitent sinner seeking for remission of his sins. He was directed by an angel to send for Peter. The angel said : "He shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do," (verse 6), or as Peter puts It, "Who shall tell thee words whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved,'' (Acts 11: 14.) Peter came and told CorneliuS' what he ^ught to do. lie told him "words whereby he and all his hoUse were saved." What words fjlid Peter tell him 1 Acts 10 : 34-43. But in the who^i of Pete's sermon there is not one word about baptism for the remission of sitts. Peter said to OoraeUiis : "To - him give all the prophete witness, thibt through His namb, whosoever believ- eth' in Him shall receive' reuiiss^on of sins." (xcU 10: 43,) "While/Peter yet spake thesd words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word." 1. Peter here oonneota forgiveness of sins with the name of Jesus, as in Acts 2: 38. V 2. That remi^gk>n of sins is receiv- ed by believing in Him, as in Acts 2 : 3. The name of Jf»us is the'gfdlind and faith in Him is the eondition of the remission of sins. x, 4. Cornelius and his household were received of Godji their sins were re- mitted and their hearts were purified by faith before they were baptized oi^ one word about baptism mentipned. 5. ThenTeter said ; '^tlan any mailk forbid water that these should not Abe be Vmptiised which have received^ tlie ' Holy Ghost as well as we." ^ 6.0 Peter commanded them to be baptized, not for remission of sins, but because' " They had reet>ived the Holy 'Ghost." ■ :■ '■ -'^■..'.- .;■'■*■■■■/:.■{/'■■ 7. If Peter taught baptism for re- mission of sins on the -day of Pente- cost, then he talight one thing then and another tBing vo Cornelius. Kither, this inteipretation of Acts 2: 38, is true or Peter preached one gospel on the day of Pen icost wid another when he preached to Cornelius. ^"^ 8. We have' a representative case. It W^s the opening of th^ door of theChurch to the great Gentile world, and if ever there wijs a time, bnd a place, and cii**^ cumstances for Peter to preach the gospel method of remission of sins, it " wa<> then and there. Coihielius wiEmt- ed to kiiow what he must do to obtain pardon or remission of sins. The an- gel promised him that Peter would tell him what he ought to do to ob- tain remission of sins or to be saved. Peter did tell him what he ought to do. Peter gave him the GospeU plan V " I •*T, .% ritnBUf thibt ever believ- rnniiss^on of Vhile, Peter Ho]y Ghosts Vtheword." rgivebess'bf resus, 48 in » is receiv- in Acta 2 : tiwgfotmd condition of isehold were ns were ro' ere purified bapti»3d Ojj^ entipned. 'an any mad ould not Afae ■eceived the' „ ■; .-:■?- ■ hem to be of sins, but 5d the Holy tism jfor r^^ ly of Pente- Ihing then ilius. Kither, to 2: 38, is le gospel on Dother when bivecase. It »f theChurch and if eyer ace, and cii**^ preach the n of sins, it 'nelius wiEuit' do to obtain 18. The an- \lV tHB COOPBK LEVBIRTON pEBATB. ?eter would to do tpoh- to be saved, he ought to OoBpeLplan of salvatran in these words, " To tiiin gave ft|jl the prophets, wiinesa that througtf Hisnaui(» \vh|psoeye'' believeth. in Uini 'sha\l receive remi'ssidnof sins '' • 9. Peter expressly affirms thai their hearts Were purified bv faith, not by baptism, Acts 15 : 7-9. '* Men and -brethren, ye know tha(< a good ^He ugo God mad^ohoice among us. Thfit the Gentiles, by my mouth, sl^ould hear the word of the gospel and be-' lievlit and God 4hic\i knoweth the hearts bear them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us, and put no difierence, between uf and them, ' * purifying the! r hearts )>y faith.''-: S' : ; .■ ;:,;, \ 10. Peter affirms that God purified the hearts of the Jewish Christians by faith just as he did that of Cornelius ' and his household. Both Jews iind , ;, GentileH were Jlsfgiven, saved and pu- rified by. faith. Peter's woixis, " And put itt) • difference between them," covers tke whole ground and proves beyotid the shadow of a doubt that all, bc|th Jew and Gentile, , who were converted <^der the.mjbistry of the Apostles, hacT^heir heans'|>urifie I by faith and not V)y baptism. This i.4-the one 'and universal laMi^of the remission and heart purificaticiMgfjfr '^and it , covejrs all nationalities in mi ages of -the world. ^The doctrine of fiajitisitial ReroissioAAffirmed by, my opponent and held by many others is thus proved to be false and unscrip- tural by the very. apostle whose words • lare quoted to prove it^ Surely no fur- ther argument is required to- prq>^e the unscri})tura]ness olmy friend's po- sition, lind if h(i and the iMormons are wronjg; in ' this, as they aire, they are altogether wrong and building upon a false foundation. And they V the sand; and the rain de8ponent and others «iay I said ro. HO it was a mistake and I take it Imok, I don't believe any such', thing. J shetll follow my former argument at pre ent and if time permits make ik>me reply to statements made by n^v opponent liast night when called Ip order I was at Col,^ llj " In whQpn also ye iftre circumcized with .the <^|y* ■,'■ h\ ■■i 1" .ll %ail pei as our Lord describes in Matt. 7 1 26-27, " And every' one that hear- eth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not^ shall be likened unto a fool- ish mait^ which built hia house upon cumcision made without tiandSj in putting off tlie body of the isins of t|^ flesh by the circumcision of Qhritt, Circumcision made without hands was undoubtedly made in the heprlU r?^< «;^-:v;, ro jr hod wietiched ol^jPentecoti Kings c^||(erni ng ou r Hav^ iou u they sin. be doiii pittt 01 Verse Hc^re ij put (iflt adtikei |the dky iprepartuj^ ^^hereurt^ll^en bj|ptisi« dotih flittvir Wv(; result was th, »iri^Pl^i^aith oid^ ife^^ M^erf'ii^ 'Jf^trt^^^^^^^ of 'a good 1 ^c<>^sicien«^- I Th mitictf what figui;e "iiip^i|j}as, * Tli^ Apostit draw^ »tt^ritjy^\th'e dpliigp qf th^feafth. Why 4)ia (lod Siend the ttopd ?, It mts b«caimMbbe't^pl^ hlvd sijined until 'Hod's m^th wa^ full. Thei^ he sent [ ' the.fldpd to purged from sirtl It whs '; . n^tr M^ ha* beeji said, to cleanse the ,V*™tedriuvian8. ' As the »atg^ rpsp upon the eartll "they chnth eflgL the > highest mountain peaks, - t't<^BBt as you. and I would do to-day n the .waters werie rising on the eartli. ' We doliot know tfjft tliese antedilusians were all immersed. In !wat> a' cleans- ing of the earth from sin. We find ttQ account of |ihe immersion of the earth in i&en.f 7; 19, 4, and the waters the spirit, Wei^canhot dispense . any of tb0m. Wt^i^r is the elfe- in which We ar^ w be baptized. 6 remission of ''^iMl^ etc. Titfl^s '51 n6t> by works W righteousness we have dq^e, but according to hisvmfercy *he saved us, by the .washing of regeneration, and 'r^i^Wi&g of . Holy 4}hd8t^ . - Here . priiQciple!)^ j ust as other places, washinff and Holy 'Ghost, says, thfub wate regeneration f6. 30-3;j|; and said, sirs, "What ed"?"And iiey Lord Jesus Christy, sa ved, and thy house. the -two , them In- First the newing of t|ie the scripture tl»e Washing of ieve it, Acts em out and % to be sav- ieiveon the" i )u sWt fier nd they spake prevailed exceedingly upon the earth^^ unto him the word of thib Ixn^, and ttnd all the high hills .that were under 9U that were in his house, and be the whole heaven were covered.- 'took them the H|a4|hour of th^^ night, |^ Fifteen cubits upward did the water jemd wacj^ked tl^|M^r^)es ; ajad wa#' prevail, apd allflesh died that juoved baptized, he ai||Fl^||||^ THE COOPEIt I.KVERTON, DEBATE, 1?', rm \i' 'ji^ _^ 16 Spirit' w )iiOt quote the preaching of Qospel iK fh(|it quotation but the Jailor u-sked '' Ajrhat must I do to bo saved,'' and they, said, *• Believe on tile Ijjnxl.Jtisus vw^ilDhrist and thou shalt be savml " JWh«t is it to believe oi» Him ? "He that believeth on me shall . have eternal )^t''." Xow, dear friends 1 appeftl'to 'you. ' It is easy to throw away the doctrine yon have been brought up in and lielievts anything I may tell you.* Jesus came amlpreach- tnl a (loctriner to the children of men,' and if 1 don't believe that (l«K-ii'ii)(« | doti't l^lievo in Josus. " Not every- one that saith Lord, Lord shall enter newness of life. Then we hare tl i>urial Itaptism. Can we then have iNiptism that is hot immerNioh I Int death, What death? Death to thfii old man ami his sins, and so H(W>n nia we become acquainted with Uo(t and are tired of our sins, we crucify the old iuan.\ Ndw if we be dead with Christ we shall «;l8o live with Him. There is a putting oft' of ^\w old man of sin. l^w do,, we want to carry that old^man of sin with ua t Then bury the old man. That is the idea, putting down and l)6ing separate from sin and this is how it is to be done. Then if you have been planttnl in the the kingdom of H*aven, but he that likene s of His death, you will live in Xiord, and se, and he Uhr night, f^ ; and was aightway." heareth these isayings of mine and doeth thorn." If we do not receive the Apostles we do not receive Christ. It is a living faith that moves us to action that we need. VV hen the jailor askcsd, " What must I do to be saved" they spake unto him the word of the "Lord unto him. \^i^ it not essential that that he should have fa,ith in the word of the Lord, and wh,rtt,„.-tme would ^ey[,wf>rd 4^! w1»o did nit act oa it. 'The woill giveiiftjto jClrrist's disciples, is " Go teafih aW nations, >tizing' them in uie nain% of the his resurrection. We get rid of thfi old man by baptism. 'I'hen, when we have got rid of the old man, what have we left I Luke 24 : 46-49, aild said unto them, "Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day ; and that repentance and remis. sion of ..sins should be preached in his name limong all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things, and behold t send the promise of jny father upon you, but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, un- Lor<|, teaching th^m tjo observe all til ye be endued with power from Ori manded Pnd is ' ijhings whatsoever I have, you— and he ''thfjt^ he^ ■ ' baptizeq^iiii|iiJHtoK , Was jbh»t^ tMpSl^^^aiwi | ^ >tfflfe^ \ uSKtHy,- ^dMRt it is evidontiE|i^**ne.(1id tea8h;,t(Mn aliout bilptxsm. What did ■ he do i^for rJiom. ())*4; - 'fho'ief<)r .we are buried witt, him by baptism liP^to' death, thftt liWiir as Christ was ^aisjjj^ tip* fr#ra thft dead by -jthe ^Ipry of the Father -r'iBven ^ we also.shofld ^kiyln *hewhe.ss of life, of rhrist," says * in particular." h is his iKxly it, then *• Ye Paiil, are , "an Then if i; and He at baptize(t in 9l(urch. , Thj l)oUy, hould al.so wp >)|;'e into thoj high" Here the Apostle was com« inissioned after the endowment of the spirit to preach repentance, etc., lie- ginning at Jerusalem^ . ''Whosesoever sins ye remit tliey shall lie remitted," HtniH awarj; th^re is no Iwtp- tisuT'^^neniioy^^ here, but ft tells theiii' what at that time, and he wa9.<)ualifled to do it. What does he say! "Repent every one of you and te bapiiied," etc Now here baptism takes plaoe Jbefore they reoeived the Htidy Qhost^ thai is by bapti»m^ and that is how they remitted mnf«, ar^d it was through this ordinance, that thiiy were roroifrd. I am afiked how the young m«in will be. saved in jail, not being haptiaed. The plan of salvation reaches as high as heaven, as «teep as hell, and as broad as eternity. John 6 : 25-28, " Veiily, verily I say unto- you, the hour is coming and how is when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God : and they that hear •hall Kve. ♦ * « Marvel ijot at this : for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall kear his voice." Some p6op^e wonder- ^ Ml what Obrist was talking about, and lie says ** marvel wrtt'at this," etc. This shows that Christ's voio0 will reach the dead, they are not «hut out. 1 Fet. 3 : U'lO, "For ( hrist also hath onoe 8U0ered for sins, the just for th% unjust. thiM) he might bring us to €k]d, b6ing put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit. E^y- which also' he went and fft'eaohed to the spirits in ppis(m, which sometime were ' disobedien%'' etc. These people lived on the earth and were disobedient and Jesiis, many years aft^rthey were pat to death, preaches-to their spirits You " umy si^ this means pulsatory ,~but here we have^it in the WokI of God. r Pet. 4 : 6, " For this cause was the gos- pel jpreached also ' to .them that are dead, that they might be judged ac- cording to men in the flesl^, but liv*c . ao«ordin^ to God in the Spirit." This 1^ whatjt.'waa ."preaehed to them frir; Muue principles. In the case of the poor fellowliil the Jaili if he dies with* out the meanH 6f grace God has pro-- videdawayio reach him Htil). The wicked shall be put in hell, with all the nations that forget Gcid. Because these people wene so unfortunate as to iie banished from the mear>s of grace, according to ray brother'e statemttQt, they wduld'have to suffer foij^ver. »T Ijelieve God hoR provided a roeains for them to get- out, because they didn't have n chance to be saved. My oppon- ent said loMt night that I would not prove this. Solomon says, " It is a wise man that heareth . a matter and then judgeth it." He says it ap* pears that these passsses bear me out. The Bible has^to be taken as evidence and it will bear me out. I have nothing to say against theBreek. ' I wish I knew more of it^ .but to mt it to get out of corners is making a wrong use of it. My JijMponent has" been trying to' get froiiiifTOur m'inds the idea ^ water baptism. He will give you some Greek. When Christ said to go and baptise all nations, what was the word loused f ' It wits ^fBap-" tizo," which ^means to immerse, to plunge>, and nothing else.. J* Raino" means to ^prinkte. Then Jesus said, ^* Go out and immet^ all nations for ' the remitoion ol sins." So it was ne- --cessary for salvation. IliV <^i'tli also wa^ immersed, ' " ^ ■■♦ If Uu^t thity may Iw judged according to men i^ th^. flesh, etc. I believe every- ope will«]ygiJ)roUght " tp 'God on the- "'I „ < * OMe of the le dies with- fqd has pro- iHtil). The ill, with all i. Because tuAate as to r>8 of grace, stAtenittiil, foii«ver. »T a meains tot they didn't My oppoit' [ would not 8, '*It i(i ft matter and «ty« it ap* M bear me e tliken as me out. I t theBreek. ' » .but to Ufifj^ Is making a uponent has your minds }. He will ^en Christ utions, what t was '^Bap-*- mmerse, to . .."Rttino" •fesviR nnid, nations for ' Q it WHS ne- p eartli also IV < '■^■ THE ObOt»KR.ti5VERT(XN ^^^''^^ T3 MR.;C(M)PB'SjTHlRO RtPLY. -i**fr. y ^Ir. €ii.\if«"MAN,.L.\r)i.i;« wnw (.Iknti.i-;- ji^jf^^My (4>i)oneiit btjenw still Ut Iw tiiyalitipd jujil tor »<»i""' rmsnn li«' has obtained nf '»''P ♦"''•"^' ^'"' Moniiun (lod by >v# t't' til*' '4^^ ^^ ^'»^' '"'"'•' prfttiitifHi Wf t^muKcv - Hr liiis, Im»w pvdr, tjikijii buck whnt Ir^' miuI in d«n>'injf 4"' ♦'t«^«""'''" *'*"' "Dnivt W4MJ haptiAie uiow' ^'aif" ful in hisj deiUuls us well us iu his assertion**! - He wanted t*. \m' allovsod to hav0 his »no(hj'rutor, Mr.. McInlo«h ^plain the wAi-d • "bnpti/x>." T am quite willinjj it" h« will own up, that he cannot handle tjie subject, tliat Mr-.. MoUl1.«JJ^h '«^riik|l take Jiis pliico. but I am uo^ now dtsteus.sini; the ijues- tion with .Uj'.Mdntnsh and Mr. iMc- rnli>*«h has no «i;;iit y* at« the <|ue'iti«m. M«". I.<.'\ «'>"ton has, fven " without the Ui«tttf tlie 1,'ilft of the in tprpretatioH ni tongues, l<'ain('(l Uuw to pronounce Uip wn'tl "bapti/o." }U wu> Ut find out /»e (JoH|Hfl method M salvation is to /, aetw «>f our WiViour. If we -cUnnot ,1ind the pl'ai; 'wurdK where shall We lOok for it?. It is a remUrkiibhr tact ttvit in all ClniHis teaehinj< he new«* **ttiil Wie word alsmt baptisiii with w*t<'r W»r the rfinussionpf sinsor tht; iinmersHitt ui the iwdy in. Vvtt^er a^ ..(ssenti^l. for salvation , , Did.Iesas i)re>u-h hfs.own goHpeH Tf he djd then the .u'tKspel ♦»!" saivitiioii, ^ by inuN hen did JesuA ii.stiluie the «jtfdinance ot bap- tism ? In the early part of his nunis: ■ try ' VVtien did the Apostles practice it i In. tl.e begihninK ^f ^hilji/s min-; i^t,vy. «ftapt ism was not iuhtHu tetl^l y the time the commission ^'"» ;li|[|fc|t^v The cotnmi'^ion pD^petuat'-d it^fMT ilul n(.t institute it. Clviist pieacheffr liiVi.wn jiwspel certainly lis we^ as tlw Api»{»lhWaiul he certainly undei-^tood his own gaspel and the law of pardon,, as well as jftormou preachers do to- d« * < 1 . '■■■'■..■ ay. ' . » , * * Now, let nj< exainine the lawf ot -. pardon' or* remission, as taught- by ' Christ himself in his own a||jkl^ 111 .John 3: U, JesuasjJl^MKAnd tn nrnnounce the wnj'tl "l)apti/o. rue m .'omi >>. it, «.-v...... ■pn-" La'CuKl that from his opponent as Mo... lifted up the. serp|^ the ., i . ...:n I ,>..» ;f he i,. .,•> ant ' w ( erm'ss. even ho nwist tlfe «on of 'mi 11.1 .ii".-v - ■•»v» w «, r ■ • ' wilderness, even ho nwist the »on of Man be inte,d up. that whosoever Wlievevh m hi»» should n.>t /periwh,- but have everlns-tina life" • Here we have '• everhistlng life" and the con- dition is faith, not baptism. Again; .t,*o' in -su)>i.(ii t .,f mv '• flar, U\o\v he fr<»es home. Ille has ■jtpven to his frtHo\ters Iumv the rpte, hftwoveivmul tll^■•y nre apt seholar.s, for they all faji|«lnic-Ayt^y in-sujiixn t of niv „Vguiaents. . „^ .. , manv texts to-fW no ."^cripture. -?Tl>ey repeat tins i^latemcnt as a pitrPfj"; »■■"■. — gospel metliod^f piinlon. Still the) will go otit oi^is ImllAnd contti,iu( , toftay 1 qUtilB i'lO Scripture. -?Tl>e> a kWurd and false statement .We are discusf-ing-.the most yital question of XJhrjtjjgty and t^e surest *«^iafac^ S)ever i)«U('\eth in irnn should iiot pLM-ish. but have everlasting hfo.'" He^-e again we have the cmabpion . of , iLuKtilicafion or pardon. - In this pas- 'wamwe have the wMe gijspel and for ulPiiges tj ^t'no imfaersion in water -v<' Everlrtstuig life" isciiu- lie sipner' himself Eaith not: .baptism. •'1 1 I ■ a THK OOf 74 Afnin, •*tor (Jod gent not Wrain Sito the world to condemn th« i^pH ; but that the world through him might lie suved. He that believeih on Hia» jh not dori- deinned ; but he thi%l Inilievoth not i« condemned ulreody liecauso he hath not believed in ^he name of the only begotten Son of ^(lond inmto- diiiteconnc«tk)n Ijetweon faith in him !l[l|ifPiP^V>«'«M^ «*Wnal life, upon raflh, not an, act resullihg from faith Jesus 4|llirms that coudemnatiou i^ re- ipO'Ved. ■■■'■ ■' •..*.'.■" ■•#'■" Agi^iA ♦o illustrate his teaching, JesuH for^'ttvo wins upon the simple condition rtf fn{th. If ,we can Ku'i out how JeNus nin^tted sin in his life, we shall certainly know his niethoil of sttlvi^tion. The first example you will findinRUtt. 9: 1-7; Mark 2: 1.12- Lukft 5: 18.^6, '«When Je.nus saw their^aith, ho said to the siiJ^of the pslsy, son, thy sins be forgif^ (hee." This penitent sinner's 'sins were IPor- given on the one essential and so^ condition of faith m Je.sus Ohrist •^JiBsus did not say: Peter, I see ^Wjat this man has re{)ented, hllfecon- l||sed me by coming to me ancf has fafth, now tafce him and immera© hiuu Not one word jjs .said about baptism for the reniisHion of sins. Again in Luke 7: .36-50, we have on illustration. Tlu>n6oi«o» J.'l, J I, "Ni»\v it \vll^ tiot wt'itt(>ii for IiIh sake nioiit', thai il wuM iiiiputiul to hill) ; hut for ys nlxo, to whom it Hhiill Im- iinputt'd, it' w»' jbelirvf* (»ri hiui that niivd up •Iohuh nui- ' [^tnl iroiii thit atl.'' Hut'i' . r«'mi»y works ii» a niiint H«niic twenty-rtvo ye ir« after whiui'he olferj-d Isaac in olH>diencu to Ood'.s coiniuand. We liavc ihuH searched the HcripturcH for th« law of pardon and not oue word »lo we tiiid that corresponds with the pro|>o8ition tlmt uiy friend, .Mr. liCverton, hns allirmed and X\u\ f the Apostles. In answer to the thief s pn-ver, \vitho\it haptisni with wati'i' Jesiis H'lvt^l the thief on Ine cross. .K'sti(< said : "This day slijilt tlioii lie wilfi .Vie in I'aradise. Heif ecitainiy is .-i clear- ca.He of salvation and f hei'»^ is no immersion. The thief must have had his sins remit^ted before ^nteiinf^ Paradise. V. Time expired. MR. LEVERTON'S FOURTH SPEECH. ■MlJ. OhaHIM-VN, L.MtlKM VNDdKXTLi: MKN, In the Hr.-'tt place my oppmeni Naid, I did not ^ivc nnich time to tht-^ mutter. The reason A\a« that I had not much time In^fore coming, and hiiiuii 1 came I find it was nut nece^ sary He tinds fault with my U'inju no scholar. 1 don't prid« in ity hui' We are t ild thaj, tiod cln>oses the fy the gOH pel we ari! of tin; .same spirit. It i>; hy the same „Hpiiit that "wo are all hapti/ed, and it is by thIw»i"'lH ;li liinf to till." Uh iIihI, I hiul uuiniiifj, uimI wiiH not nt'ctb* villi my \miiti kit* ill itfluii' «k>M«'s the t'(H»l Ui do Ilia Work. , wiitor iM iioi >vc thdt hihI it(loo«n'tni«n K iiHtniiun bu [101'Mturi. HoiiH' t»'(l it, iniinor- " Kor by oni- ixed into .one H Of OimtileH,' (I l)y llitj goH Kpiiit. It is it wo are iUI t.lio power of liH|»tiz<;(l into i), Niys : •' It 1(1 worli." Till' tUcr washintr. -IVtr'i- iM!V«»r t»l' sins." It i,M ittvt' fact tlm) nit sins. | It- it rioes save. I is not under ;ht that ques He Buys that )uts the Cath- n-;^'atory. He say it is, and conditions of THE COo'PKR I.EVERTON HEBAflt tf your money Uow inisMionui'y oollec tlonii. I If tlip .goHjuil in p.-caolu'tl to tlif^ni ntnl thoy ciu not Iw^lii^vi', would it not Im> iM'tloi* to Ituvi' llii-ni to go to licaxcn without il Tlif ,•>>'* It"* till! pOWiM' OJf (i(Hl uiiti'MdNUdon. If ycni an< «.onvt'fl»'d l»y'tliat pi'il'ijct law, for tin* law of f ih«- deiwl, and «'t»'rnal punislnnnnt. \Vho>-o4'vri' traii'«givM. xetli and liatli not tli«- son hath not utmnal life. II my hrathnr i can tak«i away a piirt of tho go«p plan of sal vatiotl, tlum it can idl Ik> taken away and w« will iMjall right. Ha' says faith will .savf usV I Vi» lievc the light kiml of faith nnlst he a live faith. Uod told Noah to build an ark in order to be saved from the Hood, and by bin .workaiul faith oontbined he vviis .saved: I believe that in tin? kind of faith wo want to luive. I ^o not lnjlieve that the faith that will not (>bey will Have. T Ujlieve that (Jod has power to forgiv** sins just, /us Ih! sees lit to f(»rgive them. 1 lelieve. tliat Christ hatl\yyeth not shall be damned." Tlu'y we admit ted if thejl -did. 1 donV deny that Jesus forg.vve sips iinnediately, and I iun willing to be saved in iinyway. He points out, but I viuist hold lli« ve and U* Uiptixed, AlNiut the ihief OH) the ertmt^, I haven't niueh t«i say aUmi thai. .My opponent Miid thai all the (Ntophv round aUmt weni bapti/ed in Jordan, «o the thief wai l>apti-/ed with th»i real. He put great emphasis on that ptKnt. We are toid, " No man can say that Avmn w ilie LiHxli but by th« Holy (llwHt/' How could the thief call Uiui " ^^* .1.; tized non<- of you," and yel In; says, " I baptised some.' Ho was sent not •to baptia;i>, hut to organize the church. Yet he remembered that lie did bap- tize some. He is tho only one who re-baptized anyone, so he put great eept yo eat my McmIi and drink my bld ye cannot walk with me," Jeiius Nai<4. Uonie left Him on aeeount of these words. Uut tluH thief suith, " i.ord, remenilKir me when thou contest into the Ifingdom," so ho must have had the spirit given to hiifi at some time. ^.Then what about our friend^* ? We are not diseUH«ing your jMisitioli, but wo -are iliscussing the Wordof(!od on these matterH. If you are provided f<»r in any different way, h(! has not yet t(»ld us of it. He has not yet denied tho throe witneHses. Ho says, r ferring to the type of Christ, tlwit the Hiltle does not say so. •He will admit that it is a type of something. If it is not of that, what is it nii Again, w(? havi^ the dipping of the 1>ird in tlu^ ves'^el of bld. He says this dmis not 'mean what I say. Hi' says he believes in types and shadowfj. This type niUMt mean some- thing. What is it? He says faith does not come first. 1 say tliwei» nothing e obeyed Clod that he wa.s jsuvcd. , raul s-aid, " [ tijn not ashamed of tl>e go '■§ -m *■] : 11 \\ 3^ pel of Clir-ist, for jt is the power ur^x 4 Cod unto' till' vation." If Noah oliey- '"\. ed h(B must have WUeved. What 4 gate did Jesus go through ? It was ^ the waUiffe of baptism. ■ ^v Time expired, le heathen aiv 1^ it would be re 8,11 heathen, ill be lost on ave, If tha,t is withholdlitg l#. >■. H tHK COOPBR-LKVEKTON bEBATtfi: MR. COOPER'S CLOSING REPLY. Mh. Ohaihman, Ladieh anp Gkntlk- - MBN,— I rise to close the disqussion of this proposition, My friend quoted I. -John 5: 8, ** And there are three that bear wit- . ness in earth, the spirit, and the water and the blood." Does he not knoV that the Revisern threw that passage out when revising the J^, T. and that it is not in any of the ancient MS8/ JVly opponent is particularly unhappy in the choice of texts tliat are spurious and that the scliolarship of the world, has thrown "but, in support of his 'pro- position! In the, last proposition he qiioted Acts 8: 37, the confession of theeunuch, to k«^p children out of heaven, a tejft reiected by all scholars becaiUse it is not in the original Greek, aaid now he quotes one that is nut in the original Greek, to keep thousands of unintmersed persons out of heaven. Why Joo Smith, has hot coiiie to his rescue T do i^ot know, but it, seems jjtrange that the gift of the interpre- tation of tongues should be so long withheld f rota my opponent: , The gentlenaan .accepts now tlje pas- . sage, that I pointed out.tojiim in dur'^ first proposition in Mark 1 : .5, " lAnd there went out unto him all "the lancT • of Judea^" etc., and from that state- ment lie concludes thjjit the thief flSi < the cross was b&ptized befori^.the cru: Veifixion. Well, they ^ere all baptized , of John in Joijdan, except thosenri jail , and as the thief wa»s iii jail*'he cqu1(JI not go out for baptism. J" My friend infers that the convert 1^ Ephesus were baptized by hjfo^ cntes. and that the baptism was not valid and he accounts thus for the fact that Paul rebaptized ° them. But there is not a shadow of proof that his theory is true. My friend does not like theories and tie should not indulge in them. They said, in answer to Paul, " Unto John's baptism.'* They did not question the validity of their first baptism, but that Paul explains to them was the baptism of repent- ance. Then again Mr. Leverton says those converts were liars ahd were never baptized by John. Wherfe does he learn tl^is ? Will he p9|njb out to y6u the chapter and verse wnenre they ar6 proved to be liars and baptiisod by false teachers ? A man must be hard pressed for argument to resort to such tactics as these to get out of*. a» corner and avoid tht force and plsKn teaching ' of the word of God. My opponent quotes I. Peter 3;. 21, "The like figure whereun$o baptism doth also now save^us (not the putting- away of the filth of the rfesh, buf the' :answer of a good conscience toward God) by the resurrection jof Jesus ^hrisfc." Peter here tells us that in some sense baptism, saves us " by^ the resiirrection of Je.su5> CItlrist.'i Tn the parenthetical reading,' he tells us (1) hoNv. baptism does not save us and (2) how it does save us. (1) It does not save us bj' the putting away of the filth of the flesh. Now, J||he filth of the flesh" here does nOt ^an literal dirt. The people were not so ignorant' as to need such an ex- planation. Peter did. not need to' tell t|\^n that the Washing^ litipfa,! dirt from theirliodi^s :s^t^«fii|i^<'**em. TK^y, knew that,' •^'^ « Mesh" meaps here^J sin on the soul-,' Rw,^ which is filthy, letlll^ Filth herie most unquesT . mor|l pollution- or sin.: ;rAgain i]ti Jaiw^ 1 : 21 j " Wherefore,' lay apai^t^ all filthines$ and auperfluity of uOagh't* • ^irutioii^ CM" 11, "An^ije 5filthy.still||s in^bl^ .mSahs ; sm waa not i for the fact hem. But roof that his id does not 1 not indulge answer to am.'* They .ty of their bul explains of repent- verton says * 8 ahd were Whet-lB does ?|njb out to wnenre they baptiisod by ist be hard sort to such )f« ar. corner fin teaching ' »eter 3; 21, i^o baptism the putting- h, bur the ' ice to>yard jof Jesus us that in s us " by^ i5« Christ. I jading/ he I doe^ not 3s save us. ibe putting lesh. Now , e does not eople were such an ex- - leed to' tell litipfjtl. dirt ' ^#% ibhem. ^b fi^Jllve . ibirutioii^ CM" Uthy.still||S. abl^.mWhs; 'Agaih in-^ r of nOagh't* •' THE 0Of>t»ER.LEVERTON DEBATE. ••»^.'' t» inew" etc. Here again "filthiness" is used to mean moral pollutflfjn or sin. We also learn in looking up Rom. 8: 14 ; Ool. 2: 11 ; I. Peter 1: ;J ; 2 Pet. JO: 18; 2 Peter 2: 10-18, that tbo term •'flesh" (sarx or sarkos) moans the carnal unrogenerate ,iBind. Tlien the filth (fupps) of the flesh (sapkos) means ' tporat pollution or sin on the soul, and * Peter says baptism is not the putting (apolhesis) of sin from the soul. In othep words Peter affirms that baptism does 'not put away sin. This is in harmony with coinm >n seiistv as well as with the 'Scrip! ures for n ,that which it cannot confer. fJuptism cannotask for a good conscience and at the.same tii'ue confer it?. If baptism is the asking for a "good conscience, then it is plain that it cftnnot confer 1%. • . ".; , . .■ ; ■■ . ■ A man asks for that which he does f ^thfr body ,, ini, watcn/iiJi' nothing else i{¥('^if]^tism, tjiey teach, is destroyed. ' '"''^ 2. This doctrine takes th^ salvii^ion df tb£' faith itt' JeHUiis, ;losuH can save /liini them is hope for hiiu. - l»Ht : if the innhersion of tlio I oily ' in ; water he essential Ut sal- vation then heVcannot he saved lie cause there is no Mormon eld*^r to step in and ijmmerse hini. There ai-e thou- sands of the sick that eannot be in'j- inersed without danger to health. ,- There are fens of thousands who live where, from thd extreme c«)ld, they coul^ not Im) immcrsnd, and it would ' be both unacriptural and unreasonable to impo.se on them a mode of baptism such as Is preached by my opponent.. God is not unreasonable God would , not give man an ordinance that could not be adihinistered under all circym- 9'taii6es, in all Qlimee and in all ages, .'ito^the ainneri ;v ■_■; ■ • .-■':.'-: V 3' This do6trine limits the efficacy of the blood of Christ towaer. There must not only bp water, liul enough;to immerse the \yfiole ftod'y. There are lilrge pprtioas of the earth wfrere thi^ elijicacy of the l)lood of. (/hri.st must . be limited by this doc- trine for there is Hot enough water in -these places to immerse a man. ' 4" > Thrs tloctrine makesi- the salva^ '■f- tion of muUitude.s impossiV)le as iii the cas&pf tho.se , in frozen regions of the notth^md of the siek. ., fJi Itscompletely .i^erses the gospel plaR of * sttlvat!4oi^^Bhe gosppl phan majces^tijth'* Gihnw^fner r6pent.aHce, Mar^k If 14^5, " llepent ye and be-' /fievs^the gospel,? Alatjb. 21;.32, '^But' '^ the piil)licans a'ncj harlots, believed hhn r^d'ye,'whe^ye had seen it"ro; , pe'ifvted not afterv/jiid that ho might ; •;;';.i«»li©ve>".'4- .■-"■..■:;/, ' ■ ,[. J Ap^ts-20:. •^,' " Testifying* lioth to ' %h^'-^0^:, ana alsef -to the Greeks' xe- : *pentanw; towilfrd God, and faith, to-; „ ward our Lord .Jesus Ohrist." . - t . 1 ' 6./*rhis dobtri^e'fiat^l)^. contradicts the Word of God. John 3: 18, "He that believeth on him is not con- demned. This doctrine says 1m>, tlw inan is condemned until iinmerwid in ■water. ' John :V: M\ <' Tie that beHeveth on t he ISon hath e verla.sting 1 jfe." This doctrine says this statement is not ■true^ when, it says a man must V)e im- mersed in water in or^er to salvation. Paul says : Rom. ?i: I, "'rherjifore being justified by faiUi, we h«^e peace "•with God." This doctrine IKiys no, you have riot peace and are n*t justi- tied by faith. You uiust l)e iijimer.sed in water. It contradicts Pai^^^^er, »lohn ami God hiniself. JeSis said^^ Luke 7; r>0, "Thy faith hath* ^«avf d thee/^ This system of doctrine saya this statettient of Christ is not trufef. Christ says : "Thy faith hath saypd thee. This doctrine says immersion in waffer saves, not faith, (yontrast Christ's woids and this system. What- a dilTVsr^nce -, P^er says : Acts IT): 8-9, " An^ God which knoweth the hearts, bare them*\v^itnessj giving them the Holy Ghost, even as lie did tin to us, and puts no lufFerence between us- and them, purifying their hearts by jtiiith." This doctrine contHfidicts Pete/.and s'ays our hearth; are purified by n'mniorrfion.in water. This doctrine is another gos- pel from that preached -by Jpsns and John and Peter and Paul. It is a doctiine unknown in God's'Word ex- cept as a heresy to be repudiated. It . never- was once preacjit'd po ftir as the Bible record "is .concerned. It is a ' neNi' invent ion!! invented, l^inco the days of."i^-]irist and of the. Apostlps*!' Thcinlcing you ladies. and gentlem.en . -for your careful attention I leave the 'subject with you. ■" , ;■ . .■'- ' > . ■' ■ '■ ' ■;''■ :\ - . :■■ ''"^ ■■■ expired. • f-- "-"t^ffff,' 18, "He ii^t coh- imcrwid in Heveth oil ife." This nt is not ust Vie Hu- salvation. h^o peace ifiys no, n4t juHti- i; iiiniersed iath**«avfa jtrine say*;^ I not true*, lafih saVied ihiinersion (yontrast ;eni. Wliat • ^9, •'\An^ earts, bare the Holy us, and put and then>, ith." .This nd says our uiorrfion.in lothei* goS' .Testis and I. It is a 'Word ex- diated. It ) ftir ap the \ 1. It is ^ • liineo the !. Apostlps*!' gpntlemen . I leave the '.-M -'XI. „.*{» : ■ * . I^B BOOIC OP l-£OISl>4:Oifc3'- PROPOSmON FOR DISCUSSION. i ■■■' 'i "Thi Book of Mormon is of Divine OmoiN and or E<5|UalAut«ow With f HE Bible." ELDER LEVERTON AFFIRMS. '■/■ ■ T ::*■ ■■;■ yfi I rUFRTAM'ft FIRST .^PFFfiH made inconnection wit hEphraiiu, tl ,- ...^,J ^^^'^: 1^ that he had written nn ^ Uiings on the altars of hia law, t Mk. OHAiBMAir, Laoies anu Gentle- Ij^hey v^re counted aa a atrange thi il«M.— Ttwaa said that eight " nights '* I hav0 looked in the Bible and hi wbuld be too long to keep up this de- .fiot «und anything written to ^ iifcte aa people would lose interest, but* »r»im.' In Oen. 49: 10 we read, " . it turned out differently. The hous^*^ sceptre shall not depart from Jud seems to be getting larger. Thip ques- nor a law-giver fnim between his ft tion has been much?" tal k jJBibP ut. until Shiloh comj^and unto hito si Some have given their cpwlP" ^^ ***® gathering of the people be. ^1 and wanted to know what^T^ «8«;;^i8 the time i-ivritten^ in which Shi of ^his Book. Some say wo jpiii^t in shall come. Again, did Bphn preference to the Bible. "We do not make many alttirs? W'e do not * .hold the book in preference to the>^ 'Bible. We believe it to be the reve-^ lation of Qod, and that consequently, i^bat it coptains^ of instruction ^ill -^ — ,.- , ...,.--- . lead us in rif^t paths and be equal to i^ pronounced oi. him. Then m the Bible. I will now open tine dis-i? /look in the Bible and we shall : cttsaian upon ifc I would refer jrou Where the law is written to him., G first to Hosea «: 11-12. Bec«ttii» Kph 48i 1^, "And Israel stretch^ «rt raifahathmade,,nuiJ|^j^|4tar8tosin,altars right haiid, and laid ituponEphrar > thaU be unto him^to sin. 1 have writ- head, who waa the younger, and t n to him the' gr^tg^ings of 197 law, , Teft hand upon Mfdaaseh's head, g but they wer« oodateda^ a strange ing his hands wittingly, for MaaiT thittg< 5era.#e have j^staiewenV wi^ the firil-borA," Md *-# ll IH— 'Ifr"^ «aawuv «■»»••» v« •• w ----- — w it,*but in some pfkrt of the earth (' has caused hjts laiw to- be writ^ten. ' first thing is to d^cover who EpbT' is and to follow the. bleasii^ ol\> I f^'- '^ rjl ^w^%mr^w?^iiSw.Zy t \,=-- »• ' R2 •<>'»■ THE OOOPER-LEVERTON DEBATE. Joseph WW that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraun, it displeased him and he held up his father's hand to remove it from Eph raim's head. . But Jacob* refused and said he (M^asseh), also shall become a peoDle, |»tc., but truly his younger brothk 4aU be greater than he and his se^ shall become a multitude of nat^^, Here in the blessing of JacSB, we find who Ephraim was. ^ The greater blowing was to rest on his head by his grandfather's blessing. He was to grtfW into a multitude of ' nations, but he did not in Pales- tine, Cttri. 4»: I, «%nd Jacob o»ll«d unto hts sons and said, rther yourselves together that , mf tell you that which shall UfaU you in the last days" Not at tb«t time but in the last days, 49: 32- 96, '^Joseph is a fruitful bough, even ft fruitful bough by a wall, whose brancheti run over the wall." ♦ ♦ * The blessings of thy father haye' pre- vailed above the blessings of my pro- genitors unto the utmost bou nd of the everlasting hills, they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the hisad of him that was separated from his brethren. Here we find that Joseph 1^ a greater blessini,' than his prQgenit(ni», Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Their's was the land of Pales^ tine, Joseph's land was to exceed that land It, Was to be of the utra st bounds of the everlasting hills. Who was to inherit that blessing ? Abra- ham' had not even SO'' much as placed his foot upon it, when he was blessed. Di, 33: 13, and of Joseph he said, "Bles- sed of the Lord be his land, for the precious things of heaven, for the dew and for the deep that coucheth be- ^ neatlii and for' tlie pi'ecious fraits^ brought forth by the sun^ and for tht precious things* put forth by thfe^mo^n,^ and fortljeoWief ;^ng8 of thtf dn^Unt of; !he:>sUng(^l|iUs,,.,|k,»d; 4v tW .<*;„■ precious things of the earth and ful- ness thereof, and for the good will of Him that dwelt in the bush ; let the blessing eorae upon the head of Joseph, and upon the top of him that was separated from his bi^ethrett. His glory is like tl\o firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicotns, with thew he sh&U push the people togetlier to the end of the earth ; and they are the ten thousand of Ephraim'* and they are the ten thousand of Manasseh. Here we find that Joseph was not to inherit that land, bat the ten thousaikds of Ephraim and Manasseh. Hei* yve find the predictions of what this Und was to brii)ig.,. forth What are the precious things of Heaven; the thinj(8 of God, and the precious things of Heaven? The revelation of God, This land of Joseph is to be figurative of the things of Heaven. And for the chief things of the ancient mountains and the lasting hills. This will be a mineral land, of gold and silver, arid for the good will of^ Him that dwelt/ intheb^sh. Here then we di.scover that Kphiaiin was to inherit thatlani(l tl;ey receive that inheritance in.- the- land of Palestine? In Josh. 16: 1-10, you will fiijd where Ephraim did receive his lot jind it 4Qes_jipt fulfil the ilftscription. .Ngjun go back to Gen 49: i:>. ".Joseph is a fruitful bough l>y hwmII, whose branches v\in over the wall." [f h« was to leciiive that land for an inheritjuiee we must bring him to tliat wall The l)r^,nches , would be his children. What is t|^at wall* Is. 16: y. «* For the field* of Hishbon lanfjuish ami the vi/ie of Sibmah • the lords ,of tlie heathen have bl-oken down the principal {Ants thereof, they uie come eve'n unto Jazer, they- wjuidereil thcough the wilder- ae.ss ; hei» j>r'i;R'hes are stretched out,. they^<]ire g<.fto uvev, the sea." Here' " .:»^ivfir| like the ^ he shall i> the end e the ten they are oh. Here to inherit usaikda of Heiii ^e this laud i ^a^e the the things things of of God, figurative nd for the nountains will be a liver, arid mt dwelt^ ' discover lliHt land, ituiice in..' •i^osh. 16: iraim did iipt fulfil bac-'k to I fruitful iches I'uU a rec(i}ivti we must br-mchns t is i)fAl fields of vi/ie of ;heu have 1 ' (jfbnts ito Jnzer, wilder- hen out^ ." «ere htn 'ivere one over ' ■* »'»■■ jf ' \'"\ \ THE aJOOi^KKrUCVBRtON DEBAT^K -f^' 83 the sea to the utmost bounds of the eyurlasting hillSi btit befotre they go ov6r the sea they wandered through the Wi^ildeniess for eight years and over the seed of At^raham, tatOMytA Jacob ; for I will cause their captivity to return, 5nd have mercy on them, God had two chosen families, and the dime to the sea. jyo^ this woid says, people came to Jeremiah and said that Is. 18: 1-3, «' Wo^ to the land shadow- God had sent them &way, but Jj?f^ ing with wings, which is beyond the mlah said they would return. Now rivers of Ethiopia ; that sendeth am- we have brought them to the Ujd bassadors by the sea, even iri vessels of shadowing with wings. Does not the bulrushes upon the water, Miying, go land of America fulfil that prophecy 1 ye swift messengers to a nation scat- If not there is no land that wiU fiUit. tered aiid peeled, to a people terrible There is the Messing of the mountaint from their beginning hitherto; a na- and of the lasting hills, There is the tioi^ meted out and trodden down, fisheries and the mines of America. Whose land the rivers have spoiled. There is nothing grown any where th*\ All y© inhabitants of the world, and is not grcJwn somewhere in the extent dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he of America. Ag>^ii^> wouldn't th^y lifteth up an ensign on the mountain ; and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear Se." Here.we come to the land*. They etd gone over thok sea and this land is beyond the rivers of Ethiopia. It is a land shadowing with wings. •J^'^hat do we find in connection with Ameri- ciat It is shadowing with wings. Qonth America forms Q)ae wing and Korth America the other. Agaih on this land' of America is the eagle which spreads. its wings.' Then, ac- cording to prophecy, the principal, branch is gone over the sea. If God has brought Ephraimj into another land, is it not reasonable to suppose he would come to him and give him revelations about what they should do^ '^od is no respeetor of persons." If God. followed them over the sea would , he not guide and direct them in the ;way8 of his truth. Is there any evi- dence that the people inherited this land before Columbus visited it? There is sufficient evidence to prove that a civilized race inhabitp>ted it 1 ' have to go over Uie laric^ and over ^»e . wall t^get to America 1|' Then; that being Ibe c|we, is there anything in* consistent to suppose that God would be with them just the same as He was with Abraham. To whom $.re w© ins debted for this word ? , It camp through the tribe of Judah and W. counted a strange thing. Is not the book we have, counted a strange thing? * Ps. 85: 11-12, •'Truth shall spring out of the earth an^ righteousness shall look down from heaven. Yea, ' the Lord shall give that which is good ; and our land shall yield' her increase. The Psjilnust comes here to tell 'US that truth shall spring up out of the earth and tl»e land shall j^ieldJiier. increase- He was looking 16 the time when the la4id\ w<>uUl not yield her increase!. -What is truth ?, John 1^: 1!7, "Sano- jtify theuV thi'ough thy truth, thy word is iruth,*' What is, righteousnessY Rom. 1^; 16-17, "I/am not ashamed d^tlie gospel of Christ, fori it is the pow^ of God unto/ salvMion to every^^ and they w^re advanced in arts and one that believeth, ' etc. For thprein industri^.* They had ,also soi^eof the religion that had,, been given to the eastern people. Jer. .^3: 3fe,s '^*Ther6 will I cast away !|ihe seed' of Jacob, and^ David, my servant, so that I will *.'*, •ffti IS the righte6usne«H of God revealed ' f roin fMth to faith ; as it is written, "The just shall -live l^/faith.". Then';^' if the righteousness of-God is reveled from faith to faith. It is His Wbfd not tiVe.any of his seed to **)© rulers • that iii rfghteousness. Then thirdly] „ .."■ . — -:: ■ — — . w- ..•..■. •" ' ■ - — "- — -. — ." . "■ • ^^f-a-. .».;••• tttX OOOnUWLlVBRtOK- t)SftAt«. tliu dad will again blew th« iof FklMtine 18.99: 1-3, "Wm I Ariel, to Arid, th« city ^her« dwelt add ye year to year ; let kill Mori&Mk Y4t I will dis- Ariel, u»^||r re. shall be heavi- and sorrow and it shall be "unto I prophet here fore- the land - of Jem- Rrhere Dav is JHUngni. It the um mBHirinn destroyed, that temple is JMKyed, and that they I scattered, so we find, them tiQtil I ooming ol this bode. Verse 4, Ind thy, speech shall be low out of I du«t,and thy voice shall be as of ^^ », ^„. tbftt hath II familiar spirit, out of the potter'n clay. nd." Why would it, Im; a spirit? » Because %\\ti voice be familiar. Why, if (iod gave Abraham on the eastern continent to Ephraiin on tliQ western, would iiot be the samelj It is to conie out of the grdund. Certainly I pteage of scripture ntpant Nome- - Read verses 1 10 to X2, "For hath pourad upuu yuu the of deep Hleep ind bath uluded - eyes, the pruphet.4 and t)t« rulers, seers hath he kivereJ, liere I discover that thetlp would be a after the people nad been scat- I that they would be left without phet upon the ^ar^h. It wou'd the Word <»f the fiord. Then, Isaiah, it shall be likitabook that led, and the book in delivered to [that js Ieamf>d and he Wn F can- [read it bieoHUHe it |s Aealetl, then t delivered to on*i thHt iMnot i^'urn- ad he stuth, I an> noti Jearned^ the Lord V said, ** Theae people ne*i.r me with 'their„ mquth and " I their lips dolionqr me, but^ave re- "^ theii* heart far from ine.\ Some written and ^ven to Prof. Anthyn to read, but he said he oou|d not read it. It wa« taken. to an illiterate Jad and ha said he was uojeamed, then God gavie him the prophecy. In many- in* staneeo he pi^ved it to be the Word of God. •• Therefore I ^wiIl ii|ceed to dq. a marvellbns work\ among this ^ ^,^ people, even a marvellous York and% iy where David dw^elt^ wonder, for the wisdom ofXtheir wW m. Is it not a fact men shall perish, and, the uhden%ad^ «L . . , . . JM of their prudent teen shill be bid. Woe unto them that set^ deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and they sav. Who seeth us f hnd who kttowe* b us ? Surely their turning of things ttpeidedown shall be esteemd (ta the potter's clay. For shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not, etc. Is it not yet a very little while and Iclninou nhall be turned into a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest, and in that day shall the deaf, hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out ot ob- scurity and out of darkness. God here f^vtfn a f'ign of wheu he aluUl do thia nmrvelluurt work. The sign is Of «i Jfiuitful field being turned into a for69-. T|ie land was an accursed land. y^oe to the land shadowing with ^ mi^&j fyhich is beyond the rivers of Ethiopia,^ W^ find that the Jews r,x», - - , V "t;«. " "r> ^^ dU^rsed because of the wlth- Eulfilmentof Amds \ There would holdjng,of the early and latter rMib ' famine, not of bre«d\" but of hear> Then it is onl^ a Jittle while until Lebanon shall be a fruitful field, tn the year 1330 this book waa'given and in the year 1862 the eiarly and latter rains be«an to fall. The Kord said thoy should ooiue iinl they did conie.^ Thp«, if tiiis is mH God's wOitl, where is it? . HJs too late foi;, ft to. corner now. "In tliat day shall the deaf hear, - etc.?' We discover here that When God would do this work* the blessiog • '--^ -"•"" ^^ HWen woul4 rest on that huid, • were transcribed from the plates ju^t as the-^gonpel was a blessing to h i oh th iH rhcHfk of MoTOion w a s — the Jaw s , the b^iml i- e ceived sight, tlw t «^M* k ^vert heat ft Uiat the I lir joy in tfa oice in the . hteottsnese iven. Rev gel fly in th the everlai Bm, that div »ry nation n d pep^eit!iid«Nlargum«ht|i orraa) onM,but > Uiftt th(> vamh jUku ahftll iitcrease w« may preMnt an" jn(l«peQd«n^ Hoe lir j- oice in the Holy One jof Israel, thfn ponent's must hf> untrue. Thifi io the ^bteotttnese ihall com« down from oburae I j»l|;ali take in the dieusuuion. iren. Rev. 14: 6, " I 'skW another I shall not {q|Io^ my opp^fient in ^is il fly in the midst of heaven, hav- pretended ariiimeh^ as ^ rambles the everlasting gospel to preach to through the fiible in «ear(^>of what BID, that dweH on the earth and to he cannot find in the Bible,\ i^y ineri,*. »ry nation and kindred and tongue d pernio saying with a loud voice,c Tear Ood and give gldry to hio^ for B hour of his jijidgment is cbm^. en the gospel is to retura to the ■th. Then the meek shall inC^rsase ir . jojr in the wo^ld^ :- '■'V;;.;-... '. 'V'-; - - Wh«in Ui(8 gONpel comes to the'eitlh itn purity it shall hm preached in the ■th asit was in the time of Christ, ifn helMUd, "Goand tell Jphn that )defliheur, the lame walk and thu w have the gospel preached unto m- ;.., ;'-, ■-- •■ .." ^ •■■■;..■. . Mon of the Book of MqrniKmW of Jo^ , Smith. The Bible is an tttt^stranger both to Joe. Smith and to we Book of Mormon. Npt one word\is said V about' either except that Matthew^ 24 : II, include? Joe Smith,\ "and false prophets shall rise and shall de- ceive many.r ^ T believe this passage includes Joe Smith, and that he is in- ' eluded in similar p«ssagei^ but il^ no other way is.he ev^A onice referred to in the Bible. My opponent quoted Gen. .41 : 22-^6, "Joseph is a fruitful bough, etc., 'and Geni 12 : 7 ; 7: 8 ; 15: 7; 25: 34; 28: 4 ; 4«: 4, tb prove that the blessing of the progen- V itora of Jacob was the promise of the country east and soUth of the Medi- r terranean Sea. He quoted Deut. 33: \ 13*1% to prove that Jacob's posterity was to possess America.' He quoted , Jer.49: 30-33; also, 1 Chron. 7: 28) ^ Ohron. 15: 8-«; 17: 2 ; 30: 18 ; Exek. 37: 1 6-28 ; Fs 1-4 : 6, and some other passagefe to prove his propoei- -., _ ^ tion, that the Book of Mormon i» of . «R. OBAimiAJr, Ladies akd Gbotle divine origin. Not one of these pas- N,~Ther audience is so Targe, and sages haiu the slightest reference to | heat io great this evening that Joe Smith or the Book of Morman. le of you may find it somewhat un- If my frien^J's ai^ument had had the . Portable. But you will romember small pox, the Book of Mormon would It the heAt makes it as diffi^jalt for never fijk^e caught it, for; the argu- to speak as for you to listen. J ment, and the Book of JAormon never got within sevipral hiJndred years of each other. I could explain the pas- ^ 8iage9 he has quot^ but my time is ifio v^uable now to walte it upon, an enlaiM^tion tbat is uncalled for. I hc|pMniy hand (holding it up) the Bmk' of Mormon. ^- m. COOPER'S FIUSP BEPLY. you are greatly interested in this stion,' the Book of Mormon, and I want to ^ know its origin. There twb wttys of oyertl^wiiig ma kr- Ml. Jtrst, we 0% reply to an lonfent's ^m^ments or to ;|ik pre- and pvjBrfhrow Its ■ 1 r- i}':\. \- '" k 'V - \ ^^'- very name is we may not reply a if Itshoqd. The name is Mid to be . ««^*^;^Kijw^i^VJC^^;fc.^l:^« c *"5ev f ' "I "I*, I«"f. - *j /- ,v from the reformed^ ClgvptUyt '«ud lo •UnanoiAl]^' Solomon ISpaxileling niMiii " ii|t>iti good,", to oe tbe tiiune oj . Hbk'moni of the time Ami »pent his ^ t6«n. Thi« is uol til-we, 'fhe word ■ time largely in wiitdnf. He wan well *♦ Mormon" m a Ureek " word angficjz? educated itt hiptoiy and in Omsk $tad ^. It* meann'' '^liobgoUiH," ''bug- l^tin. Jie Wrote essays *od romance* IkemV "hkivi>uB shfrmonstftr." You^ andwaspneof the ftrs* to write and will find it iw Liddetl and Scott^A targe H|>ec(ilAte upon the offigin of th^ earth unabridged ikeek-finglish UxictMC ' inuunds in the Mississippi valley^ He Hence , the Jioofc of Morjpon iiOi^tiM»» „h»ui a |bh««ry as to the peopling of this tlie book of hobuoblinH, book of buM* coftifei^ent, ahd h«W that it was by a hdUktB, book -of hideouts Hhe-uionsters, . - pei>ple of refinement aud of a oivilita- used \fy nurses to fHghtei^ children tion t|ji»t had perished. Ot^t in Ohio, ^ with. I shall idiow you that the Madk of ]ME0rmon ii^ not of dtvine origin but of bas^' human oilgin; gotten 'gj^ for tW purpose of dec^tion i^ntS fraud by tow and'dcigraded charactf rH. I shall beside the Aarth mounds, ne»r bis housi^, ha became «xoitfd and h^d ehciii investigated, juried in the ^ound« were human bon^, reUD\pt ,be intpeaylujd, prove that the antiquity of the jieople whose history •' historieal part of the iJoo)ji Of IVfor-, he professed to give, led him to adopt , moa is tali^n from a religious nov41 ' the mq$t |inci§nt style of ^composition. written"%\'9k)lomon Spaulding soon i!jo James' version, of the Scriptuwte, ' after the begi^ntLg of this t^^ntury, afi^rds him the test antique style, and and tfaiit the reUgious poction of it m i$ adopted. , H«i' so frequently used stolen .from the Bible. ' the expressions,- "It come to pass," I wi^U now give yon a true accoufti of the origin of the Book of Mormon. The historical part of it was wHtten by Solomon Hpaulding in the early part "f , this century. , " Solomon Hpaulding W^ borA.at Ash- ford, Corin,, 1761. He was educate r «i Now it came .to' pass," " Behold it cMDe to pft98^ as to make the romance ridiculous, Fjpom his knowledge' of hi&tory and of the • classics he was en- abled to introduce . many (xid names, such as^ Mormon, Moroni, Lamenile^^ N«phi, etc,, etc. Mr. Spaulding con- at Plrtin^id," Oonn Academy, and At ceived tlic idea that some golden plates Dartmouth College, where he gradiv had bee^i discovered and that hiero» atod in 1785, He studied teleology glypliics of an ancient people were and 'preached for a wtiile as* a Presby* written upon them. He, of course, terian minister. On account of 'ill fdund ftone. It was only a fancy, and health he gay^ up preaching and lie- in his nOvel he only pretended to came' Principal of. an Academy . at: t translate the story of a people whose Cherry Valley, Jo^ Spaulding, his wanderings and suflFerings had b^n brother induced hini t6 go out west to i written ther^n. ' * a*li1itle town then called Salein, now Afteif writing a while Mr. Spauldinf Oohoaut, in Ashtabula county, Ohio, altered the plot vere struck with the odd names in it which they ' re- membered wejl |n after years aJi we shall see . Mr. ^paulding decided to get his novel printed and he thought he could '" M<|i»uscript Found," which they make money opt of jt. He had a friend in Pittsburg, nun led I'lit tei son, who had a printing house. He moved ■ u» Pittsburg. '" > ' In Pittsburg thei-e was a young man by the name of Sidney Hig township, , Pa., , Feb. 1793. Sidney Rigdon lived on the farmwitii his father until the lalter's death and for ji while after with his mother in 1^0, l^ut life was too lazy to work. He got a fair education and in time, went to Pittsburg to lear/i the tanner's trade M 4his time his friend and chym. LumtMlen, wa.s u printer in Patterson's office Ybun Rigdon hung arvutid the office 'so much that Mr. Engles, the foreman, complainetl; ot it. SU: Spauldiiig's novel was in the printing office ai this time and, 8idn»'y * igdon stwlt- a copy of it. Thei-e- wei|Ptwo ct>pie!s of U i.M» sides the small copy which ^r. Spau'd- ing wrote firrft whci* h* '«tiirt*»(l the Jews f.rom Home. Tbe reason that '-.i he started the Jews from Rome. The Moriuons got it up to satre themselves fiom exposure. The^ kere iMwlly .frightened and as one 'f rautT^giusT^be suppBujted by s,nother, they resorte!n cc/iisumption. v Kigdou took^the stolen novel, re,- wrote it,^put into it parts of the Bible which accounts for the religious pot:- tion of it. Vou will fii)d in it lim. 2, •21, 4«;'50, 52, 54; Mai. 3; Matt. 5, 2^^)^ 13, and many other por- from the Bible. For a time