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On a quiet winter evening, Mr. Kovice found himself com- fortably seated in Mr. Elder's Library. After briefly dis- cussing the latest news, the conversation drifted '»^to a semi- theological channel, and Mr. K. was naturally uesirous of profiting by the opportunity of learning Mr. E's. views upon topics which had been discussed in the community. They spoke about Revivals of Ileligion, — the signs of a true Revival — the responsibilities of all church-uembers and all professing christians. By and by N. asked for light with regard to the right of women to take a leading part in public religious meetings. He had heard and seen sucn things and wished sincerely to know the mind of the Lord on the point. The conversation then flowed on as follows : N. May we not suppose that the woman described in the thirty-first chapter of Proverbs is designed as a model of do- mestic merit and excellence in the Church 1 E. Yes, and a very excellent example in every respect ; she has the seal of the Holy Spirit upon her. " All scrip- ture is given by inspiration of God," and this portion may well excite our admiration. N. Women forni an important part of the Church. But what is to be understood by ** Church "? E. The terra " Church " is applied to those who profesa to be the people of God — as, " the Church, that is in their house," Itom. 16.5. — An assembly met for worship, — ** In the midst of the Cliurch, will I sing pnise unto thee," Heb. ii.,12 ; a congregation, " Come together in the Church," 1 Cor. 11. 18. A society of Christians, Acts xi., 22. "The Church which was in Jerusalem." In these and other texts " Church " refers to a large or small assembly of Christians. N. But there are many Churches? E. Yes, in name, and in providential arrangements — such as the seven churches of Asia — Rev. i. 4. Neverthe- less there, is but one Church . " Christ loved the Chu/ch and gave himself for it" — Ei)h. v., 25. N. Who are Church MemlxTsI E. "The visiltle Church.... consists of all those through- out the world that possess the true religion, together with their children," see Con. of Faith, chap. xxv. N. Do the office-bearers derive their standing and au- thority from the Church 1 E. No, only from Christ, — The alone King and Head of the Church. " Due is >our Master, even Christ, and all ye are brethren." — Matt, xxiii., 8. iV. By whom are they elected ? E. By the congregation " Look fe out among your- selves." — Acts vi., 3,6. The Kirk Session crmsists of Elders. Acts xiv., 23 — " Ordained them elders in every church." The Presbytery ordains to the ministry. "Laying on of the hands of the Presbytery." — 1 Tim. 4, 14. N. Ai*e church rulers, courts, " governments," essential to the i)eace and prosperity of the church ? E. Yes : obey them that have the rule over you. — Heb. xiii., 1/. N. Have women a standing as public officials in the church ? E. No, we never read of them being elected or set apart to office, among the Patriarchs — in the Jewish or Christian Church — they were not allowed to preach, to govern, or to dispense the sacraments — yet '\\\ their iuiliviilual and social capacity they have been, in all agos, most excellent and use- ful members of the church. t i But f %■ i N. Did not Zipporjih circumcise htr son? — Ex. iv., 24. K Yea : as Calvin says, " Ij^norjintly --I{oni. xvi., 1. E. Such help for his personal necessities was indispensa- ble ; Paul did not, like Peter, and other ai)0stle8, lead about a sister, a wife, (1 Cor. ix., 5) so that his dependence upon female help becomes very obvioua Moreover, Paul was fre- quently a prisoner in chains. In these circumstances ho must have stood in great need of aid from such friends. No marvel, that, he expressed himself so affectionately to his benefactors. Again, Paul refers to the women who labored "with him in the gospel (Phil, iv., 3.) The help aflbrded by pious women in dealing with converts of their own sex was quite as necessary, as their personal service, — perhaps more so. Dr. Hodge, explaining 1 Cor. xiv., 33, 34, says that the last clause of v. 33 should be connected with v. 34, and then the sense is fully given thus : As is the case in all Churches of the Saints, let your women keep silence in the public assemblies (churches.) The fact that in no Christian Church was public speaking permitted to women, was itself a strong proof that it was unchristian, i.e„ contrary to the spirit of Christianity. Paul, however, add» to the prohibition the weight of apostolic authority, and not that only but also the authority of reason and of Scripture. It is not permitted to them to speak. The speaking intended is public speaking, and especially in the church." On v. 35 Dr. Hodge says : " The desire for knowledge in woman is not to be repressed, and the facilities for its acquis- ition are not to be denied them. The refinement and deli- cacy of their sex however should be carefully preserved. They may learn all they wi« public Church a strong spirit of don the but also ermitted )eaking) ledge in acquis- iked lor ivihunptioii in .Forusaloin." But tlio bhissed virgin ami Elizabeth iliJ not miso their voices iii coiigy of \)i'ixi6ii uiul thanksgiving pnblicly, but in the hou»u of Zachurias. — Lnke i., 40. It niiglit b«) well to mark tliat when women took a prom- inent or unusual part in the public utfairs of Israel — the Church and nation were invariably, in a low state ! Debor- ah understood this, when, (Consenting to accompany Barak to the held of battle, she said, " notwithstanding the journey that ihou tikest shall not be for thine honour." — Judg. iv., 9. — No : It is not for the honour of man, — or the well-being of the Church, whun women are under the sad necessity, to occupy the place which should be bravely and faithfully held by men. N. I, also, have frequently Ikought, with great pleasure, upon these beautiful examples of female excellence — and always marked with sorrow the sad and prostrate condition of Israel at such times. I3ut Peter gives the words of JotJl ii., 25, " I will pour out of my spirit upon all flesh and your sons and daughters shall prophesy." — Acts ii., 17. £. The wonl, " prophesy," is used in a variety of ways "to foretell," Matt, xiii., 14; to divine. Matt, xxvi,, 68 — to teach, 1 Cor. xiv., 3. "He that prophesieth speaketh unto men to editication, and exhortation, and comfort." Also for the service of praise. — I C'hron. xxv., 1, 7..." Six under the hands of their father Jeduthun who prophesied with a harp to give thanks and to praise the Lord." N. Thus then, " prophesy," as a matter of fact, has dilT- ertmt meanings 1 E. Certainly; anl these sons and daughters, &c., &c., on the day of l\'ntect)st — were brought under the power of the Holy Spirit, renewed, enlightened and, endowed with extraordinary gifts ; but the particular eifect of the change, was, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ — by which, they became active and useful iu His service wherever placed — even as did the pro})hets and peo[)lo of God of old — only, with a more enlarged knowledge of divine and spiritual things : Hear Calvin on this point : " Under the kingdom of Christ there shall not be a few prophets only, unto whom (iod may reveal his secrets ; but all men shall be endued with spirit- ual wisdom, even to the prophetical excellency." As it is also in Jeremiah xxxi., 34 ''Kvery man shall no longer ,)l Hut tho /uices in IC llOUiiiU ti proiii- ftel — tho ])ebor- [^rak to •ney that iv., 9. — being of ssity, to Uly held jleasure, ce — and ondition I (»f JotJl ,nd your of ways i, 68— poaketh juifort." ..."Six phfcsied uis diff- , &c,, ower of witli change, becaniu ^veu as with a Kings : Christ )d may spirit- s it is longer toach Ins neighbour," for all men shall know Mo from tho least to the greatest. — Heb. viii., 1 1. A^. IJut the daughters of Philip did prophesy. — Acts xxi., 9. //'. Htire again Calvin may aid in our inquiries. After eulogizing Philip upon being blessed with four daughters, so endowed, he shows, that although prophecies had ceased for years, the Lord had again raised up men and women to lore- tell things to come, in order to prepare them to hear tho Gospel, and then adds : — ** lUit that one cause ought to bo sutticient, in that God, by taking away prophecies, did testify that the end and perfection was present in Christ ; and it is uncertain how these niaids did execute tho office of prophe- sying, saving that the spirit of God did so guide and govern them, that he did not overthrow the order which he himself set down. And fomamuch as he doth not sulfer woman to bear any public office in the Church, it is to bethought that they did prophesy at h >me, or in some private place with- out the common assembly." (So also Hodge.) That this interpretation is correct may be inferred from the prudent manner in which Aquila and Priscilla expounded the Gospel to Apollos. — " They took him unto them, to their own house," privately. — Acts xviii., 26. N. But we have over-looked Miriam the prophetess — was she not a leader, with Moses and Aaron, in bringing Is- rael out of Egypt 1 E. Moses and Aai'on were tho only leaders in that great deliverance, Ex. vi., vii., Psa. Ixxvii., 26, No female is mentioned in the repeated command, " Go unto Pharoah," or in connection with the signs and wonders in Egypt and the Eed Sea. Miriam led the women and united her song of triumph with that of Moses ami Aaron. She indeed claim- ed equality with Moses ; but for Jier presumption became a leper. — Num. xii. In Micah vi., 3, 4, the prophet is reprov- ing Israel for forgetting the goodness of God — and asks, " O my people what have I done unto thee, " — " I have brought thee up out of Egypt." — " I sent before thee Moses, Aaro \ and Miriam." Upon which Calvin remarks — ** Moses was a minister of their deliverance in upholding civil order, and Aaron as to the priesthood and spiritual discipline. With regard to Miriam, she performed her part toward the women : — she composed a song of thanksgiving after passing through 8 tho Rod Soa nnd honco nroso hor base onvy with roganl to Moses; for, being highly- praised, she tlioiight hurselt' cquul to him in dignity. It is tit the sumo time right to nuintion, that it was an extraordinary tiling, when God gave authority to a woman, as was the case with Deborah, that no one may consider this singular precedent as a common rule." N. I now understand the position held by Miriam on the occasion — a leader of tho choir. But women prayed and prophesied in the Church of Corinth. £. True — a modern divine may enlighten us somewhat respecting matters in that Church. " The context (1 Cor. xi., 3, 16) shows that the kind of meeting where silence was enjoined, was a social prayer, ani conference meeting rather than a formal Sabbath-day's service, such as we have now," — " Corinth waa a heathen city, with the new religion recently introduced, and where of necessity believers would gather in little grouj 8, and often, if not always, as yet, in private houses, and where, without a pastor to direct the services, each one, according to his own prompting, would take part. And so full were they of new-born zeal, and so joyous in their new-found hope, that evidently but little order was ob- served in their meetings ; sevcnU speaking at a time, som^in unknown tongues, and some under the prophetic inspiration ; and even the women, had become so enthusiastic that they threw aside the veil, the usual style of head-dress then and there for modest women." Inspiration sharply reproves this gross impropriety, appealing to their taste as well as to the law of man's headship. In the subsequent part of tho dis- cussion now under consideration, (1 Cor. xiv., 34, 35,) Paul forbids altogether their particij)ation in the official service of the Church. The entire context shows that the command of silence api)lies, not specifically to preaching — as the general includes the specific this is implied — but to the social and less formal services." — JRev. Dr. Stevenson, PHnceton Iteview, January 1873. * N. Let us read 1 Cor. xiv., 34 : " Let your women keep silence in the Churches ; for it is not permitted unto them to speak ; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask there husbands at home ; for it is a shame for a woman to speak in the Church." — This is plain and express as language — " Keep silence " — " Not permitted to speak " — '•Leurn at homo"-—" A Hhamo for* woman to speak." E. Yes, and all these phrases are eni[)loyetl to deter wo- men from speaking in the Church. How important must the subject lie ! Kay to a christian lady, you, by your con- duct, have exposed yourself to shame. — How humilating ! — Yet, it is the Holy Spirit who applies this language to a wo- man when she speaks in Church. N. The injunction in these verses is very clear and min- ute. Is not the wonl " speak " used in dilferent waysl E. Yes in the original it is generic and comprehends all forms of address, " to utter," •' to tell," " to talk," " to say," " to speak," " to use" the voice without any reference to the words spoken, so that every conceivable form of speech al- lowable in religious meetings to man is forbidden to woman, in the use of this word. JV. It is pleasant and profitable to learn, and understand the truths of scripture. Is not the same doctrine set forth in 1 Tim., chap. ii. E. Certainly — the apostle is referring to public worship, wheresoever conducted, v. 1, "I exhort — therefore that — " Supplications, prayers be made" — for all men, &c., &c., — in V. 8, adds^ " I will therefore that men (literally the man) pray everywhere." In v. 9, 10, he directs as to the dress and deportment of women, at such times. Verse 12, " Let the women learn in silence," i.e., listen attentively to what is said, and with all subjection to the servant of the Lord. Again v. 12, "I suffer not." — I do not allow women to usurp authority, over the man, by preaching or praying. This applies to the whole race of man as well as to a hus- band. The reasons are then given, v. 13, 14, "Adam was first formed." " Adam was not deceived but the woman." — The command is imperative, the reasons valid — such as satisfied the inspired penman. N. But when were the epistles to Timothy written 1 E. The First, A.D., 65 (also that to Titus), the Second, A.D., 66. These epistles contain the hist attestations, of inspiration, as to the position of women in the Church, then, and in all time to come. !Mark : liad there been any previous law (which there was not) authorising women to speak in religious assemblies it would have been superseded by those declarations to the Corinthians and to Timothy. 10 N. This is convincing nnd most satiHfnc'ory evidence that women ought not to spcnk in llx' lumso of God. But what are we to say of those who allow and urge women to speak in Church 1 E. Well, it is evident that those who insist upon wo- men speaking in Church, come into conflict, not merely with man, but also with tlie Lord Jesus Christ. — Women may and ought to worship together as in the meeting where Lydia was so signally blessed. — Acts xvi., 14. The office of the Ministry is by the appointment of God ; No man has aright to exercise it unless called by God — (Heb. v., 4, Rom. i., 1, 1 Tim. i., 12,) therefore women, having no authority from God, canncl be Ministers in His Church. Men, not women, are overseers, (Elders, Presbyters) in the Church and as such necessary for its prosperity. The high honor conferred upon woman (for be it remem- bered, that the influence possessed by woman either for good or evil is unbounded,) in her personrd, domestic and relative duties is, in scripture placed in contrast to the silence enjoin- ed upon her in the church. These duties are onerous and multifarious. — (1 Tim. ii., 15,5,14 ; Titus ii., 3,5,) The man is the head of the woman, not in a temporary or local capacity, but always and universally ; therefore, while it is so, the command remains in force that woman must be silent in the Church. When God expressly calls a woman to any sphere — wheth- er to be a warrior, or a ruler, or a proj)hete88, she ought cer- tainly to respond to His call. Her , "ition is then beyond our judgment. God who establishes rules has a right to make exceptionp to his rules ; but is it for us to usurp the authori- ty of God? K. Being now in your Library would you kindly see what has been said by the eminent men of the past on this subject 1 You have quoted Calvin and Ilodge ; can you favour me with more 1 E. With great pleasure : Tertullian says : " A woinan is not permmitted to speak in the Cluircii, nor ytit to teach, or bapiize, or oH'er, that she may not claim to hci'sojf ni)y oiiico of thb man, not to say of tlio i)ric;.st." The great Augustine quotes thcftC words with ni)im)Viil. Let us next hear Matthew Henry : " Shame is tlie mind's uneasy reflectio). on having done an indecent thing. And will uoi acci disj 11 evidence od. But, vomen to ipon wo- rely with nen may ire Lydia ce of the as a riglit 0111. i., 1, [ity from ps) in the . remera- ■ for good relative '.e enjoin- srous and )orary or while must be -wheth- ,'ht/ cer- beyond ;o make authori- idly see on this ;au you oinan is 'ach, or y ftifice igustino mind's And what more indecent th; " for a woman to quit her rank, re- nouncH the subordiiiat u of her sex, or do what in common account had such aspect and appearance." " The natural distinction God has made we should observe." The woman was made subject to the man, and she should keep her sta- tion and be content with it. For this reason women must be silent in the Churches, not set up for teachers ; for this is setting up for superiority over the man." Here is Scott : " The women required to " be silent," with all subjection, in the religious assemblies ; for the apostle, as Christ's representative and declaring his will, would noc suf- fer women to teach." " T^foreover, the man was not * deceiv- ed ' in the first instance ; but the tempter prevailed against the woman, who was the first * in the transgression ' and the seducer of the man. This humbling consideration was suited to convince wome>!i, that they ought not to affect au- thority, or presume to be public teachers." Next let us look into Albert Barnes : "It is a shame." — " It is disreputable and shameful ; it is a breach of propriety. Their station in life demands modesty, humility, and they should be free from the ostentation of appearing so much in public as to take part in the public services of teaching and praying, it does not become their rank in life ; it is not ful- filling the object which God evidently intended them to fill. He has appointed men to rule ; to hold office, to instruct and govern the (church ; and it is improper that women should assume that office upon themselves." " But this cannot be interpreted as meaning that it is improper for females to speak or to pray in meetings of their own sex, assembled for prayer or for benevolence ; nor that it is improper fo/ a fenude to speak or pray in a Sabbath School. Neither ot these come under the apostle's idea of a Church. And in such meetings no rule of propriety or of the scriptures is vio- lated in their speaking for the edification of each other, or in leading in social prayer." Eosenmuller says : " Women were not to teach the people, nor were they to interrupt those who were speaking." Gcbert, in his Mission of Women, says : *' The Mission of woman in general, is less to explain the truth than to make it felt." " In order that the truth may gain an ascend- ancy over us, it is necessary that it be first revealed to our understanding : This is the Ministry of Man, because in him 12 the roasonincj faculty predominates." The Ministry of Mai?, in teaching the truth is a public Ministry, which addresses itself to masses ; consequently the pulpit, the public preach- ing of the gospel, and the magistrature of the doctrine is con- fided to him. In woman the power of the affections or sen- timent predominates. This predominance of sentiment de- termines the peculiar Mission of Woman ; its object is to effect the entrance of the truth into the heart, to convert it by love. This sentiment is not taught, it is insinuated." I might add pages and pages to the same effect from the most eminent divines of all ages. N. Thank you most sincerely. Home is woman's spliero as a wife, a mother, a daughter, and that sphere afibrds ample scope for the best and noblest gifts and virtues. What is more beautiful on earth than the godly woman doing her gracious ministry to her own housdiold and to the needy around her, — helping joyfully in every good work, adorning the gospel of Christ by meek subjection to rightful authority, — training children for the Lord, — requiting her parents, — loving and serving her husband, — ruling well her servants, — showing hospitality, and in all things bringing Heaven in- to the House. How much sweeter, better, nobler this " sphere " even if the Lord had not forbidden the other sphere ! But, as you have abundantly c-hewn, the Lord HATH Spoken and it is ours to obey His voice. HALIFAX, N. S. : NOVA BCOTIA PRINTING COMPANT. CORNEU BACKVILLE ANQ GRANVILLE STREETS. 1877.