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PRIiNTED BY ROBERT STANTON. ^1 t^\ ^ i.J1^ %',■ Mi 3I:Bf ■ro "-^o^^vm'-W: ' u\ r >r;<^-'J"l ri> ^' i^!Y ■;.iiH{1r) 1 . ;:,ii^ lift ■ ' '■ 'i y ' » J! ! w t'» I -;•' U^I.I :;■ 'iitnua = j , ■dun I A mMy;-« .uQii*j';>dtl;j>} K.1 rorfc, 7rA 3farchf 1828. Venerable Sir, ^ I have tbe honor to transmit to ^ou a copy of cep> tain Resolutions this day unanimously adopted by the llonora' ble the Legislative Council ; and have great pleasure in com- plying with the commands of that Honorable Body in respect- fully resquesting that you will be pleased to furnish for publi- cation, a copy of the Speech delivered by you in your place, on the occasion alUidcd to. ' .3i?i ■in:-'-..^f Hiimtutc^r^H Venerable Sir, '■■' f ♦""t^nt »*.? t« , ilig isnr^ ' * Your most Obedient Servant; '^'^f ^'^ • ''f,(Vl^. v^:'^ ' . ; K-> Chrlc, L.C ^^ ' Iff u^r/'.'^' nh iUi'^c \ :^v^! ^##^« 'jj'. • f«C ,.Mfcitj;«i^<' ^'. ■A> '^ .''i i/>,. YbrAr, lOth March, 1828. Sir, ', ; ♦ -i - -'^n!-i . .r ^ I liave the lionor to acknowledge your letter of the 7th instant, transmitting a copy of certain Resolutions unani- mously adopted by the Legislative Council, and requesting a copy of the Speech for publication which I delivered before that Honorable Body. In complying with commands so agreeable, I request you to convey my grateful thanks to the Legislative Council, for their kind consideration ; and to accept my acknowledgements yourself, for the handsome manner in which you have been pleased to make the communication. ., i ui '^ 1 have the honor to be, ' ' biR, .. , ' 'I ' r r r ?. < J^our »no8t Obedient Servant, ({ ■m ^i^S' iu ^,Am^ ' ( ese. For although many places were willing to comply with the conditions usually demanded by the "Society for the Pro- pogation of the Hospel in Foreign Parts," yet that venerhble institution, from the narrowness of its means, and the many claims upon its funds, was unable to meet their req ; rts. In this dilemma his Lordship turned his attention to the Clergy Reserves, and in order to render them productive, applied to His Majesty's Government to olace them under the direction of those for whose benefit they were intended; and in conse- (juence orders were given to incorporate the Clergy in each Province, for the purpose of managing and superintending the Reserves. The authority given to these corporations, which began their sittings in 1919, was limited to leasing. They had no power to improve, to exchange, to open roads, or to alien- ate, or in any way to expend one shilling of the proceeds, ex- cept so far as was necessury to defray the contingencies of their moetinge. T!iey wcte tinder the direction of the Executive \[ !^f \k 9 Govenitneiit of the Province, and were cnmmnnderi to pay to His Majesty's Receiver General all the rontH coilect^i by thcui, in ord«r to be appropriated as provided for in the 31st of the late King. Now altiiough the Corporation accelernted the is- sue of leases much more rapidly than before, yet many onuses still operated to prevent any immediate advantage to the Church from their establishment. Th , j , < , Second. — The Lessees would be more punctual in paying their rents, for fear of losing any claim to renewal or advan- tageous purchase Third. — The means would be aflforded of multiplying Cler- gymen, ip any number thft might be required. Foiulb. — The popular objection against the Reserves as a barrier tip improvement and internal connection would, in a great degree, be removed. ^ FiAh.^rThe Imperial Parliament would, in a few years, be 4telieved from the annual Grant in aid ef the Society for the o pay to by thi'iii, »t of liic d the ig> y onuses ; Church jiven by •wing on e gratui- ed their id to Ol- r hi Eu- ' the Co- lie latter nllecting nch Lot, Fifth— lity, and re trifle, lease is le minds j on the \ to seek extent, posed of t advau- manner paying • advan- ig Cler- ves as a Id, in a ears, be for thie prupogation of tlie Gospel in Foreigu Parti, in as far as respects Upper Canada. :, .;^|/ p Sixth. — Two or tiiree hundred Clergymen living in Upper Canada, in the midst of their Congregations, and receiving the greater portion of their income from funds deposited in the Mother Coutry, must attach still more intimately the populati' on of the Colony to the Parent State. Their influence would gradually spread, and they would infuse into the inhabitants a tone and feeling entirely English ; so that the very first senti- ments and opinions of the youth must become British. , ^.^i*,,.^ Accordingly in 1824 I was charged with a proposal to Hie Majesty's Government to enlarge the powers of the Corpora- tion, so that they might be enabled to sell to a limited eitent as well as to lease. On my arrival in London in April 1824, 1 laid this proposal before His Majesty's Principal Secretary Crown and Clergy Reserves in both Provinces, though subsequently the Company confined themselves to those in Upper Canada. To settle the coni'.itions of sale with thik body, produced au embarrassing negociation, and as I was pdfhaps the only per- son at that time in London ihat could give Correct information concerning tlie Reserves, particularly those set apart for the Clergy, I was frequently referred to. ' Pending- this ncgoriation, which from the first as I^ appear- ed to me, Government v/ishcd to bring to a favorable conclu- sion, no bill such as 1 wi>l)ed for selling the Clergy Reserves could with propriety be brought into Parliament. Nor was I particularly anxious to push my original measure, because I an- ticipated many advantaf7:e8 to the Province by the introduction of capital, and believed that it would be better for the Govern- ment to sell to this Company a portion of the Clergy Reserves at a lower price than might be expected from disposing of them lot bv lot to individuals, and thus at once relieve the Parent State from any expense whatever in supporting the Clergy in i I i M' i! m 8 liiii PraviiKV. I, !iuw(*vrr, olijoult'il (o ihe ulionaliuri ot tlio whole of tli(» Ki'sefvi's, and <»iily ao((uiiv<«!e(l in the propriety of sclliii'^ (Mif!-h:iir<>r what I'cniaiiicMl ul'li'r (JetJucliii^ all iliat vvoro Irasp«l or omipicil— *nn arrangement wliicli rediicotl iho ac- tiinl sale to Kttle more than oun-ihird of the Ch-riry fjamU. ft \i mutPrial for me to romirk in this place, that (Inrini^ the set- tlement of the conrlitlons of sale between the Canada Cornpa*' ny and Ifi^, Majesty's Government there were two to whirli ( was stronly opposed ; t!io first wm the valuiny^ of the lleservej at a ready money price from the averajjje value paid in reatly ^noney for Trarti of Tianfl in each Distriei, on or before iho first day of March 1824, because 1 considereil it totally inap- pik'able to the mode of doin^ business in the (Julony, which ii hardly ever by paying money doivn, but by unnnal instahnenu with intcreM, The other condition wa.^, that of paying by Instalment.', without Interest; which I considered aitugethc;* inconsiatenl with the object in view. And it was expressly on the ground, that these conditions were to be altered, so that a fair value nii;^ht be obtained for the Reserves, and an immediate fund for the support of additional Missionaries, that 1 was incliner} to favor the arrungemont. liut in giving my opinion on theso anrj other points, and supplying local iufornuition tp.llis Ma- jesty's (jlovernment, when called for, I did not, and could not, consider myself as acfin^- o/iiiiall^', on the part of the Clergy Corporation, or with the consent and approbation of the Pro- vincial Government, it is true, the proposals made by the Canada Company accorded in some degree with the one with wlncli I WHS entrusted, which was merely to obtain a power to sell to a liiTiited extent ; Ijut it was Impossible for me to know how they would be received in Canad.i : and, although it was qnite natural for the Colonial Department to apply to me for facts and opinions, 1 con .idered myself merely respon- sible for their correctness', and did not conceive that I had a right to reason upon ihcin, or to urge them with llie same force and authority as it would have been my duty to have done it' acting ai an accredited Agent, witJi respect to this particular arrangeinr-nt. I did, however, continue to o1 jecl to a ready money value, predicated on the sale of large Tracts, and to the ; deferred pa'j'ment without interest ; nnd thought, that when [ '^ came awav, botii cou'litions were to be modified or given up. ' Anticipating from these alterations a favourable result, I gave '^ it a? my opinion, in July, 1321, that the arrangement as it^ uctd I tiien stand, vvoid.d be as fair as could he expected. >« :ul a brco '" From (hi* lime, I hajo(*t, HS my btuy in liunduu, al'tir my rttiirti iroui Srotluiiil, WU4 only tor a few dayii. Duriii:^ my voya^i; ucross ilu* Ai- kmtic to tliid Country, I li.iil m-cii^ion to draw u,) .1 Kt port ui' my pructTtiing^ titr tliu iiirormaiiuii ol'tlio Into IjoiiJ Hi»iit>p of (^ntltcc ; ami in duinp; tliis, 1 tiiriurl to a copy ot' liji* inii- cWi of (iKriM'mciit iHrmotn iiin MajfsiyVs (ioMTUini'iil omi tlio (/uuihIu Land Company, wliicli wuii iiaiuliMi ta me iiy onr ol' tlio Stoolilioidcrs U!) I w.is t*ntcl'ill^- tht> C'oacI) lor l,4ivcrpool, on till.' i7lli of Septomljcr 1824, an(i wliich 1 iiad put an ay amnn^ uiy paptrri witiiont oxamiuntion, not supposing; tlial it di/U'rod iVom wliut 1 considereil lo liave bvvn tlie liual a;runf;c- ment, before I ielt [jondon for Scotland ; I was ilKrelorc ("X- coedingly diiiappoiuted nmi surprisni to iiiid, that the (wo arti- cles to which 1 liati pnrticulurly objected, nruiMiy, (lie valua- tioti by the money price of largo Tracts, and the delcrred pay- ments without interest, bodi of which had, as 1 believed, been modified or rejected, liad been retained. Thiukiiig (hat they had been introduced iu error, I considered it ni» duty, as Chairman of (he Clergy Corporation of Upper Canada, to bring them under the notice of tlie Lord Bishop of Qiitl)ct , but before doing thiiii, some delay seemed both uece«sary and cxpedieut. The Commissioners for valuing the Reserves ucro daily expected, and I jiid'j:ed it prudent to wait tlieir ari'i\al, t!iat I might ascertain whether they weie allowed any discre- tion in Jnterpieting the pilncipio of \aluatlon by the ready money price of lari^o Tract*, or whether it was to U» strictly adhered to. The Commissioners having be.en detained beyond expectation, [ brought the matter undii I tion was, however, left to the discretion of the Colonial Depart- ment ; because the Corporation were convinced, that both Lord Bathurst and the Honorable R. W. Horton, throughout the whole negociation with the Canada Land Company, had manifested the most sincere and anxious solicitude, to promote the interests of the Church in Canada. They had indeed given so much time and patience to the subject, as, considering the multitude of important matters daily calling their attention, surprised[me not a little. Archdeacon Mountain, on his ar- rival in London, laid before Lord Bathurst a Letter sup- porting tjbe prayer of the Petition of the Corporation for the management of the Clergy Reserves, stating, that they con- sidered themselves warranted to act in this behalf, as guar- dians of the interests of the Church, and would have felt them* selves wanting in their duty had they forborne in the present crisis, to. solicit the attention of His Majesty's Government to" the view which they entertained of the case, an*' «ieir appre- hension,., that a very considerable sacrifice of intewst was Hkely to result from the proposed arrangements ; they wished, therefore,^ to avail themselves of the opening which they un- derstood to have been so considerately afforded by the reserva- tion on the part of his Lordship, of a right to acquiesce in any view of the subject taken by the Lords of the Privy Coun- cil, or by Parliament, whenever the proposed Charter, or the Bill necessary to give it effect, siiould come under dis- cussion. The two conditions already alluded to, were then brouglit under consideration, and their consequences fully stated. To Archdeacon Mountain's application, a most Gra- cious answer was returned, which rendered it altogether unne- cessary for him to press the matter further at that time. But in as I'ar as regarded myself, it implied a change of oj>inion, which it was my duty to show could not fairly be ascribed to me, for it proceeded to state, that, " The arrangement be- '♦ tween Lord Bathurst and the Canada Land Company was "not entered into without great consideration and inquiry; " and his Lordship, on that occasion, had the benefit of the •' advice and assistance of the Reverend Gentleman by whom *' a Petition to His Majesty agaitist the Bill now fjcnding in *' Parliament, is signed in his character as President of the •* Clergy Corporation. His Lordship had, therefore, not an-f ** ticipated that objections to this measme would have arisen •* from the Clergy in Upper Canada, whose interests had been '" anxiously consulted in it; -md ^vho, in the person of one of u [quirv ; of the whom ling in of the Ut an-' arisen been loue of y- their leading Members, had given his Lordship reason io ** expect, tliat the plan would have been regarded by tbem as * an advantageous arrangement." This charge of inconsistency was also communicated to the Society for the propogation of the Gospel in Foreign parts ; so that, I found myself unexpectedly blamed on all sides. I had little difficulty, however, in effectually removing this impression ; for I easily brought to the Honorable R. W. Hor- ton's recollection my objections, both in writing and conver- sation, to the principle of valuing the Reserves by' a ready money price confined to large Tracts, as not appllcaple to this Country, and to the deferred payment without interest, and agreeable to his manly character and honorable principles, on being convinced of his misapprehension, he did not fail to do nie ample justice, and to communicate his conviction of the brobity of my conduct to the Society, and to say, that he con- sidered tt n!y duty to put the Bishop in possession of the pro- bable consequences of the measure in agitation, in respect to the future prosperity and ex'.eiision of the Church. After the Commissioners, appointed by His Majesty's Government to va- lue the Reserves, had given in their Report, many new difficul- ties occurred, with which it is quite unnecessary for me to trou- ble the House ; it is sufficient to state, that when I reached London, on my second visit, in April 1826, for the sole pur- pose of soliciting a Charter for the establishment of an Uni- versity in this Province, I found the Question of the Clergy Reserves still a matter of negociation. In the month of June following, I. received Lord Bathurst's commands to put myself in communication with Mr. Gait, who had been appointed, on the part of the Canada Land Company, to endeavor to settle all differences in a satisfactory manner. That Gentleman and I, after much discussion, assented to an arrangement which, singular as it may appear, will, in its operation, be more ad- vantageous, both to the Clergy and the Company, than the original Contract. By this arrangement, the Reserves were returned to the Clergy ; and the Company received in exchange One Million Acres of Land in a continued Tract. The Land being thus restored to the Clergy, 1 deemed it expedient to renew my application made at my former visit in 1824, that a power to sell a portion, and to improve and to exchange, in certain cases, might be given to the Clergy Corporation ; which was readily promised, but could not be effected till the fallowing Spring. On the 20th of February, 182t, the Ho- I 1 .'- I ■'■ 1. I ; ! ; M; 1 ■ t I J , 1 I J : m h .!l I norable R. W. llorlon gave notice of Ills intention to brin^ in a Bill to authoriie His Majesty to sell a part of the Clergy Ueserves : Provided nevertheless, that all the monies to arise by, or ta l>e produced from, any such Sale or Sales, be ap- propriated to the improvement of the remaining part, and to the maintcuance of a Protestant Clergy, except so far as might be nece&sary to defray the expense attending such Sale or ^ales. On the 2d of March, the Bill was brought in, and, after a few remarks, it was ordered to be printed. Finding that some GeiHlemen were disposed to oppose the Bill, unless preceded by a general inquiry on the state of the Church in Canada^ 1 had some conversation with them on the subject, and couvineed them of the propriety and expediency of selling a portion of tiie Clergy Reserves, as it was calculated to re- move the obstructions which it was said they placed in the way of Settlements, to encrease the number of the Clergy more rapidly, and thus to contribute to the general benefit of the Province. But although these Gentlemen saw the propriety of a Sale, they seemed to be rather inclined to proceed first with a general inquiry. The press of public business pre* vented the Bill from becoming the order of the day till the '2'2i\ of March ; on which evening, a conversation, rather than a debate, took place, and opposition to the passing of the Bill was threatened, unless some previous inquiry were made. It was, thereibre, postponed to the first of May; and 1 received the Honorable 11. W. Horton's commands not to leave Eng- land till the matter was fully determined. In the mean time, t called upon the Honorable Mr. Denison, and conversed with him on the subject ; lie was fully of opipion, from the facts and reasons which I laid before him, that the Reserves ought in part to be sold without further delay, and without waiting for the proposed inquiry. Having been given to understand in February, that some Members from Scotland intended to move Government in fhvor of their Countrymen in ihe Cana- da?, and that they had asserted, tliat the Settlers in Commu- tiion with t!:e Kirk, were the most nunierous Sect in the Upper Province, I (h'evv up a Pampihlet, entitled, " Observations on the Clergy Reserves," witli the intention of sending a copy to every Member of the Imperial Parliament, should the proposed inquiry come on ; but as it did not, these Pamphlets were never distributed, I had no objection, nor have I \et, to such inquiry ; on the contrary, the mori fully it is made the better for us. It wiJI giv8 our Clerfry an opportunity of meefnig opejdy, and repelling 1 Eng- time, d with facts ought aiting" stall J ed to Juna- iiimu- Jppor )ns oil opy to posed never luiry ; It will ell i lie publicly, calumn'cs and misitatements which have been irrtlierto fuffcred to p^M contradicted. We have been attacked on nil sides, our exev> -i^.s concealed, our success imdervuhied, and our actions misivpresented. We have been charfred with in- tolerance, selfishness and bigotry ; and we have refrained from vindicating ourselves, and preserved a silence, which some may l«ive construed into an admission that the character and claims of our Church are indefensible. But we know that our silence has arisen from ail implicit confidence in the support and protection of the Government, and from tlie pcrsuasiou that our own honor and the interests of Christianity, forbade that our cause should be defended by such weapons as were used in the attack. When at such inquiry we shall have de- fended ourselves, and stated our case in the most eflectual man- ner, we shall feel that we have fully discharged our duty. — The deeision rests not with us, and if, contrary to all just ex- pectation, the issue be unfavorable, we shall submit as becomes us to a misfortune which posterity, more than ourselves, will have cause to lament. On the 4th of May the lion. R. W. Hor- ton was induced to agree to a postponement of the Bill till the following Spring, in order that it might be preceded by a full investigation. By this time several of the Members from Scot- land had said that thev had information on which thev could re- ly, that the Presbyterians in connexion with the Kirk were ex- ceedingly numerous, and that they would oppose any measure respecting the Reserves unless it contained a provision for the Kirk of Scotland. One Member argued for an inquiry into the state of Education as well as Religion, and that such in- quiry should be had previous to the adoption of any measure respecting the Reserves, for it was unnpcessary to Legislate twice upon the same subject. J was very much disappointed with this postponement, and I considered it my duly to state earnestly to the Hon. R. W. Horton the inconvenience of delay. From him I found that what Lord Sandon had said on the previous evening had made a great impression upon the House of Commons, but that there was no insurmountable objection to urge the measure again. His liordship was said to have stated tiiat he had conversed with Lord Grenville who drew up the 31, of Geo. 3, Cap. 31, and that his Lordship had de- clared that he considered the Clergy of the Church of Scot- land included under the words a Protestant Clergy, and con- sequently that they had a right to a share in the Reserves. — The Hon. R. W. Horton likewise said, that the Bill before 1^ V\ h 14 u '^ M r-i Parliatnent was ffonsidered objectionable, becaose it gave tlN* sale to the Corporation ; he thought therefore that it would be better to bring in a new Bill, and to place the sale under the ' derection of the Governor and Council, and that this proceed- ing would be more in accordance with the Slst of the late King. As what Lord Sandon had stated was of great importance to the future decision of the question, 1 called upon that Nobleman, and found that what he had said was very different from what had been reported. His Lordship stated, that Lord Grenvillc had* said, that the Scotch Presbyterians were not intentionally excluded, and provided the provision should be found mure thon sufficient for the support of the Established Church, he saw no objection to giving them aid. Being afraid of misun- derstanding Lord Sandon on a matter of such delicacy, 1 re> quested my friend, the Rev. Dr. Phillpotts, to inquire of his Lordship about Lord Grenville's opinion, which was a confir- mation of my impression, namely, that Lord Grenville had merely stated, that the Scotch Clergy were not excluded , from which it would seem, that they were not thought of at the passing of the Act. Two assertions had likewise been made by Mr. Hume, respecting the Church of England in Upper Canada, which would have had considerable influence had they not been shewn to have been totally erroneous. He stated that our Clergymen had no congregations ; I affirmed, on the contrary, that in all the places where regular or occa- sional service was performed, numerous and respectable con- gregations assembled. Mr. Hume likewise asserted, that in the House of Assembly, consisting of forty-four Members, only two belonged to the Church of England : Now the fact is, that eighteen or twenty out of the forty-four, profess to be of that Church ; th<> rest are of various denominations ; but certainly, not more than tliree or. four are Scotch Presby- terians. A new Bill was introduced, on fthe 14th of May, and after some debate, it was ordered to be printed. On this evening, one or two Members from Scotland said that they were informed by Dr. Lee, one of the Clerks of the General Assembly, that there were thirty organized congregations in Upper Canada in communion with the Kirk of Scotland. The Honorable R. W. Horton, not being able to answer this allegation, called upon me for information ; upon which, I hastily drew up my letter to that Gentleman, confining myself in a great degree to our own Church and the Scotch Kirk, noticing the other Presbyterian denomioatioas incidentally, >* J5 1 re- tnerely to shew a fact that is liere perfectly notorious, that those in connexion with the Church of Scotliind were not so nuinerouit as the other denominations styled Presbyterians. To this letter, I shall feel it necessary to return in the course of my observations ; but in passing, I rentark, that it was not my intention to have given in any paper on the subject of tlio Reserves, till the more general inquiry on the subject of the Church was made, when I had in preparation a more elabo- rate statement than my letter contains ; but on bei^ called upon for information, I gave in the document which has ap- peared, though somewhat incorrectly, in the public Journals. This letter to the Honorable R. W. Horton was not published, but brought down to the House of Commons and ordered to be printed : its great error, as shall be shewn, is, that it does not do sufficient justice to the Established Church. As it might be expected, my letter gave much odence to those who had received their information from Dr. Lee ; and among others, the Honorable Mr. Kennedy asked tire flonorable R. W. Horton in the House when the Canada Clergy Reserve Bill was to come on, that an opportunity might be given to answer misstatements made by Archdeacon Strachan. On seeing this in the published debates, I considered it my duty to call upon that Gentleman and to ask him to point out my roisssatements, as I was not conscious o( having made any ; nor was 1 more disposed to make misstatements than h? was, or less ready to correct any into which I might inadvertently fall. At first, he appeared ofl*eDded at my visit ; but on my stating, that I had no other means of noticing expressions which might do me an injury, and that I was convinced he wished only to know the truth, I had taken the Mberty of call- ing upon him he became milder, but remarked, that it was not usual for Members to be called to an account for what they said in Parliament, that nevertheless he was willing to 1 ear me. I then explamed what I considered to be the actual state of the Questioot and what Government had done for the Scotch Pres- bjrterians in Upper Canada, and the terms upon which I had lived with them since my arrival in the Province. Mr. Kenc- (fy said my information was very difierent from that communi- cated by Dr. Lee, who had asserted that there were thirty Scotch Presbyterian congregations in Upper Canada aloue. — I submitted that diis number must refer to British North Ame- rica, for it was impocsible that such a statement could come from U^per Canafhi, He md 4hat be wm corr^«t a$ to tbe f I 1 t , ! ' w t'. ! i'! 1 .; :!H Ih mnnber, anJ lie bflicvcfl \n its appVicntlon to Upper Canada^ and in mkU ihsc Iio must adhere to the statement sent from Scot- land, thongh at the same time he admitted that my means o<' knowing- was much superior. After a long conversation, we separated on ploasanter terms than we had met. On the whole, I derived benefit from this xisit, as it convinced the Honorable Mr. Kennedy, who appears to be a Gentleman of manly and good feeling, that I was not afraid of the cause 1 was defending. On the ICth June I went to the House cf Commons to hear the debate on the Canada Clergy Reserve Bill. It was late before the business came on, and the Hon. 11. W. Horton had some difficulty to get the House to attend — at length he got the Bill into Committee. He stated that great misapprehen- sion had gone abroad respecting the object of the Bill, yet all that was now asked for had been already granted. Power had been given by I^aw to sell in another way one-half of the Cler- gy' Reserves to the Canada liand Company, but after some consideration another arrangement with that Corporation had been preferred. He stated that the Reserves at present netted scarcely J£400 per annum. By rendering them inalienable they produced little or nothing ; Leasing was not popular, r.or would it ever be, so long as Lands could be so easily procured in fee simple. He said that it was wrong to view the Scotch Clergy as entirely excluded ; thry might be considered to have a contingent right. He then read a letter from Lord Bathurst, in which it was stated, that when there was a surplus beyond what the Established Church required, the disposition of it would draw the attention of Government. But that Govern- ment, so far from rfyecting the application of the Scotch Cler- gy for support, had already assigned a provision more than sufficient for all that were in the Province — that it was not ne- cessary now or hereafter, that that provision should come out of the Clergy Reserves, as other means might be devised less exceptlortable. But this was not the question at present. The Bill before the committee consisted of two clauses ; one to authorize the sale of one-fourth of the Clergy Reserves, but not more than 100,000 acres in any one year, and without any provision for the appropriation of the proceeds. The other cbmse to enable Government to impf-ove the remainder, or to exchange when necessary, so that they might be no longer in any respect an obstruction to improvement. The money arising from the sales to be placed in the public funds, and the divi- dends only to be spent in improvements and the purposes^ of tftfe. flk 1^ Canadaj roni Scot- means o4" »tion, we he whole, foiiorable lanlv and lefendinp. s to liear t was late orton had h he got ipprehen- ill, jet all 'ower had 'the Cler- fter some •ation had ent netted nalienable pular, r.or procured te Scotch d to have JBathurst, s beyond ion of it Govern- tch C lev- ore than is not ne- ome out ised less present. ;es: one ves, but out any he other k, or to >nger in arising Ihe divi- loses of the Canada Act, 31 C«,'o. 3, Cap 31. Tliat tiic geiicraj ques- tion about the claiiria ol'thu Scolcli Frcsbytoriaus wa^ purpose- ly postponed till more particular iii(|uints uerc u)ade. As to tlie policy ol* soiling a portion ol" llio lleserves tliero could be but one opinion, in their j)rescut state tbey produced liulu or nothing, and were m sonic places an hindrance to iniprove- ment, in the mean time the liuuse was called upon to a.^sist in providing lor the maintenance of the Clerirv . The gicat object of the Uill was to take the laud out of mortmain and to get rid of this burden upon the Country. In their preseiit state, they produced no rovi nue, and it was idle to (ilspi-.te about appropriating what did not exist; tliat this question was much better left for future consideration, and therefore the present Bill did not pledge the Government or the conn- try, beyond the disposal of the lands, for providing a fund for the support of the Clergy, and long before that time the ques- tion 01 appropriation, if thoiigiit necessary, might be brought under the consideration of the House. Mr. Warburton saw no reason for pushing the present mea- sure through till the general question was disponed of, but he did not rise to oppose tlie Bill. He likewise ari/ued that a portion of the Reserves should be given to the Roman Catho- lics as well as to others. Lord Binning spoke with great vehemence on the general question, and the claims of the Scotch Presbyterians, wiio iiud, according to him, an undeniable right to- aid from the proceeds of the Reserves. He quoted from a letter and memorial fur- nished by Dr. Lee, that there were thirty regular Congrega- tions of Prebyterians in Upper Canada in communion v/ith the Kirk of Scotland, all of which, except four or five, were desti- tute of Clergymen, not being able to pay them. This mis- statement which with Mr. Hume's assertitms had produced my letter to the Hon. R. W. Horton, astonished Mr. Eusthope, the Member for Oxford, so much that he came to me for some ex- [)lanation. I said as I had already done that the number must include all the British Provinces in North America. — On this Mr. Easthope went up to Lord Binning and told His Lord- ship, who turned to the papers in his hand, and averred his statement to be correct from these documents, and that the thirty regular congregations were to be found in Upper Cana- da alone. His Lordship thought it requisite to be severe I r < ( i.i' W ft**: %i J! ''*f \i|joii mc and my letter which wns so mmli at vnrinnce tvitb the inforniaiioti ironi Dr. Lee, and which that GJ . In the course of the discussion, many severe observations were made upon tlie Clei)i;y (/orporations, evidently from misapproheiisioii on the part of the speakers, that these iiisti- tuti(n\s possessed jjreat and extensive powers, anil had becji established by the Cohmiid, and not by the Imperial liovern- mniit. But when it was shewn ihftt they had only tJie power of Icasina^, and had been established by His Majesty's Go- vernment at home, after due consideration, the feeling against them passed away. *. h. r As the passing of this Bill was the only thing that detained mc in England, I made no stay after it becas'^o a law, but has- tened back to this country, unconscious that I had given cause of offence to any one, but believing, on the contrary, that I had deserved well of the Province. , . ' Soon after my arrival in this Province from England — a copy of my Letter to the lion. li. W. Horton, found its way into the Newspapers, and made, I believe, the round of the two Canadas. Its publication was instantly followed by a tor- rent of vulgar abuse altogether incredible. Had this abuse been confined to a certain party, now too well known in this Province, I should not have been surprised, because, to their censure I have been long accustomed ; and 1 trust, that it has been the study of my WCe to deserve it. But I was somewhat mortified to find, some of whom I had argued bettf r things, joining in the cry. It must be obvious to this Honorable House, for reasons which it is needless for me to mention, that it is impossible for a person in my station to reply to those unchristian attacks. I do not, in truth, feel myself called upon to notice any anonymous slanderer whatever, further than I may consider it my duty to do so in my place as a Member of this House, or in a legal manner. Nevertheless, had any Gentleman requested explanations respecting my Let- ter and Chart, I should have been quite ready to give such as I be^ the indulgence of this Honorable Iloiise now to ofl'er. ' t S u 29 TIio Hiiilt of my CMinrt li.is hcrij that of ciniisslon, and fop :Iiis I I'.i.vr Ikm'H loudly blnincd l»y my (iiinoiinits ; Ixit it must be icroIlc('l>session ofsullicient informatiorr rcsp(;ctinj;' other denominations. Nevertheless they have no fust reason to complain, as they have never, to my knowledge, ^iven any authentic account ol" themselvep, and I gave the best M'iihin my reach. 1 have also been blamed for not mentioning the lloman Catholic Clergy, than which nothing can be more uniu-'t. J. was not contending with that respectable body, lor Mitli iliern we can have no (juestion about temporalities ; and i may safely aj)peal to my Iriend the liishop of Rluesina, w ho will readily testify, that w hen 1 had it in my power to speak to their advantage, I was not backward in doing soi As to errors in my Chart, 1 confess that after all that has been said, J have not been ulAe to discover any of importance, or strong enough to aifect my reasoning. For the detection of one J :im ind(.'btcd to the Editor of the Core Gazette, in his Journal of the 2t>'(h of September, which I mention with the more s.i- llrfacton I'S he is among the viry (ew Editors that during this clamour lias treated me v.itif common civility. The en or con- siis ji) my mectioning a Cliiuch in Woolwich. Now had I l>cen asked An* many yeai;^ past whether there was a Church in that 'I owi;?i(ip I si;oul(l have answered jes, and several of my friends in York uoii'ici liavc /.'iven the same answer, because Geiieral Pillvinuten to mv knov>le(lu(' had eiven orders several years J'go for its erectieti. iJiiiicidties with winch I am unac- <|uaii!l( <1 havi-, it }'.])pei!rf!, prevented his intenticuis from being cwrried into elif-ct. This J "editor Ukewii;e exjiJaiiis in a candid liianner the situtiiioi; of Duiidas^^. in which I had reason to be- lieve tir.U a Church had been erected. — He &;iys that ground wns fot r.pnrt fronje yeais ago for a Chyrch, burial-firound and l^arsonago 1 sc!U:,e, i\y:d a subscriplioit paper signed for ])e.;lding the Ch'ncli. V»'hv the Church lias liot been erected i have not been nlAc to learn, but I know that 1 am one of the rabscribers. Tl:e?f are triliing errors and Isave no bearing upon the qncstion — I'le great m;\!(<'r is the number of Cler- gymen. Now on i.iiis jioivit my Chart errs mere against the Ei^iabJished Ciutrcii tlian rgainst the Kirk of Scotiiind, owing. I and for It it must )n(.* (lono- i incidcn- ain, liow- hottrr Ut tlic Kirk formfitioiT ^ liave no lovvledge, e the best entloning 1 be more body, lor ties ; and sina, who to speak Oi As to been said, or stronjD^ of one i is Journal ' more sa- uving' this n or con- )\v had I Church in al of my because s several am 11 It ac- orn bring a candid on to be- lt p, round d-}iround gned for n erected ne of the ) bearing of Cler- ainst llie d, owing. lo my lonp dotpnllon in Knf^hrvl, and the rnpid inrroase of our Clergy. — it as>ign» for example only one for ilic District of Gore although there hnppeniMJ at that time to be two, a second ha were filled up. — To this assertion there is but one answer, which it becomes not my profession to make. The Chart was for the beginning of 1827 and drawn up in the most correct maimer that I \tas able, and according to the best of my knowledge. And fliat there was no desire to e^caggeratc is manif».'st fiotn the fact that it does not present the Established (church in so favorable a light as she at that time merited. Mr. (ioitl), one of the Scotch Clergymen, resigned Cornwall in the Winter ;awl v.as to have called upon me in ijonlon, on his wa;y to Scotland, but found it inconvenient, and th^'refore of liis successor 1 knew nothing till my return to this coimtry. As to Kingston it was not filled up for many months after tlie publication of my Chru't. But the filling up or not filling up of these vacancies was a mat- tor of no consequence, as [ gave credit for the four congrega- tions, and had mentioned the four Clergymen themselves, by na.ne, to the Secretary of State, in June I92T. as t'lcn at their stations, when 1 was urging a pu'ovislon for t!i,"ir siipjiort. i. ' But I an accused of a still j;re.Vicr error, In omitting two Chrgymen and their conccreu-atioo^i ; for according to Mr. ?-iorrIs, there are now six congregations, and six C'lergyiMcn belonging to tl. • Kirk of Scotland, in this Province. VViih- out dwelling on the fact that four of them are in the same Dis- trict, and have only separate divisions of what co!i<.;itnted one con .rreiration a Cew years ago, i reply that Mr. Sliced '.\ as in Scotland when my C'hait was drawn vp, and of Mr. Con- nell I never heard, till i was passing through the Village of il ri: I n : 41 41 32 Mnrtiritown, I:ist ()i tuber. i»iit as it h my wioli In bo rafrfct fvni ill till' :ntiiiU''Ht purtii'iihirii, uiid l|iiviiig now inori' uccu- rnt(> int'iinn ilioii iliiti 1 li.iJ in liOiidou, 1 take tlit* lilM'Cty u|' giviii;r iIk-* >*tat<' ot' our Cliiirrli, Tor tli<.' present year; uikI in rcK'ii'l '<* ^^^^ ^^^" Pi'c^livtcriaii dtMioniinations, Imvintf only trmli in view, I vrry willingly uvai) mv^tll ol" Mr. Morris's Tahlt'H. I havo l)('Pnrlinrg«'»l with l»«inglio.stilp totlie Scolch Cliiirrh, Hiid witli being u.i ajxistiitc' iroin thai <:()n)niiini()n. And as i tan only in this way answer such calunmioy, it bcronu's my duty to touch upon cHrh of these parlicidars. My hiistility to the Kirk of Scoilaml, ronsi^is in hiving lived on the niost in- timate terms with the late Mr. Uethnne, and Dr. Spark, two Clergymen of the most amialjlo dispositions, and who were blessed with abilities and virtnes which are not surpassed by any who followed them. To both the^e excellent men I wll lingly embraced an opportimily of paying a tribute of respr^, soon after their departure, \.hich has lonu: been bciore the public, «nd was recognised by their relations as flowing li-om a sincere regard. Nor have I ever missed an opportu- nity, when in my power, of b.'ing useful to the Clergy of the Church of Scotland, or of treating them with respect, kind- n''ss, and iios|iit;dity. It bus always been my wish to see a reasonable support given to them, because they belong to a Church which is^ cstabli'^hcd in one section of the Empire ; and to the Roman Cath'Wi* Church, because it may be con- sidered as a concurrent Church with the establishment in the sister Province; atul t > this end, have at all times advised the leading men of both these Churches, to make respectful repre- sentations to flis Miijcsty's Government for assistance, leaving it to Ministers to discover the source from which such aid might be taken. Even since the violent discussions respecting the Clergv llcserves, I advised the most active of the Pres- byterian Clerjj^y, whose premature death I sincerely lament, that if they persisted in urging their claim, to make their re- presentations at home, and there we woulJ nicttliem; for, thonc:h I was di^cidedJy of pinion that they had ; . i. ,\\ righ to any share of the Reserves, and wcmld op, («ieni by every bonorrble means in m}' power, I was exceedingly unwilling to aar'taie the (piestion in this Country, where it could never be 'ietermined, but where it was sure to call up every evil pas- sion 0*^(1 to rous<^ many denominations of Christians against both CI. ^rchf's. Ho*" far my predictions have been verified, ■:■■ ■ I : ^ bu copTf ct inori* uci'u- i! liberty o|' ar; uiid in win^ (inly r. 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His jMujrsty'a i'riiRi|jal ocrr-lary of Stnlc for the Colonies, Lord liiuliurst, eaile.i upon iLe General Assembly of the Church of Sci»iiaiKl, to point out th-' j>!aces where Clergymen are re- (juircd, r.nd the sum necussary to induce such m, are worthy t.» go— that His .Miijeaiy's Covernineiit has no objection to t;;ive so'.ne ussistjuice, but in the same manner as is done in Knglttiiil, tlironeh t!;e Society lor the propagation of the Gos- pel ii] Forii;j;n ^j;uts. Jiujuiry is also matle, if such a Society exists in ^uoihuiil, and if not, what hope there is of such a S ujety 'eiiig' formed, to assist with il.s funds the same object. The f j''(tt,r then coiichides with courteous acknovvlede;ments of the loydty .ind s( rv-ces of tlie Scotch Clergy. This cor- respoiidi'iice took place in 1824. In the mean time, His Exr c'jllency the Tjieuttnant Governor of this Province having re- presentetl in tlse stion^est manner, to His Majesty's Govern- ment, the pi oj)r ety ol' making some provision for the Clergy- men in co;nmunioii uitii die Kirk, and also the Roman Catho- lic Clergy resident in Upper Casiada, a reference was made to me on tlmt sii!)j;'en paid. I w^is t'le more a;i:::()us to cfwJiplete this arrangement, becautio, in as far as the Scotch Presbyterians are concerned, ;j^ e5 pral As- as shall y. His 's, Lord liurch of are re- L' worthy action to done m the Gos- 11 Society )t* such a le object, pigments f his cor- His Exr- aving re- ; Govern- e Clerary- in Cutho- vas made 52G. On endations hes ; and d a share wheilier was dis- ible gen- etbre the ated and roteclion nade, of aldiough aid till ents, till n ol" ilic Scotland, o!' Mr. ,vho had ent, but Jge b'^en tgemcnt, iiccrned, 'ii takes ftway all cause of difference ; for provision being no^f made for their Clergy, which wua all thi n could ask or lio|>e for, and this provision being in accordance with the applica- tion of the General Assend)ly, 1 digregiously mistaken. Jii private life I siuili continue kind, as 1 have ever been, to all denominations, !>ut in siij)poriing the just rig'nts of the Estab- lished Church I shall proceed boidly and fearlessly, and spurn, as i have iiitiierto done, that cold culculaiing selii.di prudence which would deter me from standing up in her defence. Neither the Clergy of the Church of England, nor of the Church of Scotliiud, nor of any Church, could claim support as a right from the Parer.t Stat?, but that right was confl-rred by the olst Geo. 3, c. 31 ; and from tiie passing of that Act tiie Resesvcs became the prop'Tty of the ('hiirch of England. This r conscientiously b lieve, and so believing I will take every lawOil moans to maintnin the proj)erty so conferred by the greatest Stalo^aiaii ikal Eui^land ever produced ; and uo i,-*i me on us priii- 1 rojidily M'C sulli- Itjt'ct my lis ooiin- )f Kiiig- H'ver ><"t a fallier, c to v.\ko enter tlio anotiier *vovin(t?, Ihurch of e seal ol' h\ Som- itj iVir Ills lis fripiHl, rs, ])ut he ■i purpose l\e nnd I \u<\ i\\ the Such arc lys shewn i3ont coii- >l^blishc(l ivoNV my tken. Ill n, to all lie Estab- iul s[)m'n, prujence lo. )r of the support :onferrcd that Art pMp,laiul. will take It r red by and uo ^7 clamour, no oaluninv, shall alter mv purpose. They may in- deed induce ine to ndouble my e\('.»tiuus bui never lo relax them. It is said (hsit in my letter to the Ihuler S<'cretarv .»f Slate I have ofleiid* (I iho Metliodlst^. To f;ive offeuee to any Chris- tian ilenomination would be to me a matter (tf deep n.'uret, but on this my expressions tlioiiiih plain, are sufiicientiy moderate. Of the Wesleyan .ATetliodists I have sj)oken with a()prid)ation, as well as of their Teaehers aninission to consti- tuK.'d authorities, and has it not been thf primary olycct of all ^MKMnies to rejiulrir Government to destroy the influence of re- 1i(;ious principles, and to pidl down relifrious estahlisiiments ? To elleet this, they have rvcr considered th«' c»)n.sjimmation of victory. — If they tell me that Kcclesiasiical Establishments are ^neat evils, I bid them look at England and Scotland, each of which has a religious establishment, and to these establish- ments are they mainly indebted for their vast superiority to other Nations.-— To what but her Established Church, and the Parochial Schools under its direction, does Scotland owe her high reputation for moral imj)rovement. In these institu- tions the youth are taught those princples of pure rcligiou wliich guard them against the allurements of vice, and prepare thorn for the practice of virtue— a thirst for kirowlcdge is at tlie same time excited — industrious habits fonried, and a he-, Jiavior orderly, obedient and peaceful, almost infallably pro- duced. It is not the degree of knowledge imparled, but that the whole system of the Scotch Parochial Schools has religion for its basis, that religion is the primary object of instruction, and that they are placed under the immediate superintendance of the Clergy. To these wise arrangements must be attribu- ted under the blessing of God, the i'j^Vcquency of crime, and the steady and correct principles which so generally' prevail throughout the whole population. Most amply do the Re- ligious EstablisluTients of Great Britain pay by the good which they produce, for the public support w!t is ex- pressed as to tlie Chnrch to which the Uescrves Indonp^, nor a sugf^estion -od'ered that the proceeds of the sales recommt ntled, couM be appropriated to any other j>tL'(l li\f Ut">oliuiiiiis, wliicii 1 beg icuvo to re id : — ■ nriofi'i'f. — Tlial win II ilic Kini^djuiis of ^ill^^l!lnd and Scot- lioid wrrc united, the Siiliieits of bolli were pl!i(*ed iipoii n f(»otin|Lr of reeijiroeiiy, nod were to enjoy » lull roinmimica- tloii oi'every ri^lit, p/lv ile'^c, and advaiitH!;e, and that neither the {'htUTli «if the one nor ih* t)l!ter therehy pained any aseen- deney — on the ronlrarv, that both were established by law as National l*rotesl;nit i'lituches within their ros|)ective Kinpc- dom^, and eoii>>e(]nent)y the ('len-y of both are ef|nally enti- tled to a parlieipalioa in nil the advantaujes vhieli have re- sulted, or may hereaft r resnU from the said union, Rcanh'iu], — That the Provinces of Canada were wrested from llu; J)(Mni!iions of I'ranee, by t!ie united exertl(ms of Great Britain and lre!;in 1, and that the Churches of I'^n^lnnd and Scotland bad at the Coiujuest thereof, nn equal claim t(» cnjiiy th.' advantages which might be derived from the said Conquest. Itesnliu'il. — Tliat by the Act of the British Parliament, passed in the 31 st year of HU lale iMuj«;sty's Beign, The Go- vernor, Lieutenant may her; 'ift -r reside in this Province, such sup- port and maintenance ;is iiis /lajesty shall lliink proper. These Resolutions v/ero sent up to this Honorable House for its concurrence; svid, after a long and warm tlebate, they were rejected. Had ii not been for the lirst and second^ there w 1 belie provMi< a bod\ at liiidi count not on ;U 81 tluTc woiiKI have Wen no (]ls|)ute in retjnrd to ilio tifih. For i lu*lic\r hilt it Has ihe v\isli of evn'v .Mi'inlur, tliat sumo proviition ^lioulil he made l«)r the Miniotfr:^ ul* »o respectahh' SI hodv U!H theChnreh ol' JS<'iithiii»l. I udl n'ciilh'et ni> regret nt llniiinu: inyseh' (onipelhii to oppuM' the iliVMihiiions, itn ae- eoinit ul' the asseitions nuule in (he luo lir^t, and uhiih nro not only weak and nnsatislaiMoi y, hnt had, in trnth, no Itrnr- in^:; npun the snhjei-t, and coidd not, hy any possihihtVi assiist in (d)taininLC tiv prayer citntaini'd in the hlth. The reu.-^ons asHinned respettini? the laion, are nianilislly at ^;^l•iunee with fact; and the llesolniion founded upon ihc (oncinest, totally iiu'onclnsive, and nii^ht, with <'(jiial pr(»])viety he nrpcd for the extension of the heottlsh liaw. The expression in the third llesolntion, seems to imply that the !\I< inhers cT the Scotch Church expected that a jirovision was made hy the 31*1 of the Kinp;, which is altof^ether c^ronnciless. They tjcvrr sn|)posed any such thinp; ; for such an opinion is iiere Tor the lirNt time insinuated. Hut although these Ucsohitions were not con- curred in hy this [I(»nse, yet an Address I'onnded npoii them was adopted in the (louse of Assenjhiy, and transmitted thronjih flis Excellency the iiientenant (iovernor, t(» His Majesty's Government, of which the following' is the conchision. " Wo " humbly entreat Your Majesty's consideration of the sniijcct ; " and if, in the legal construction of tin? said Act, it is consi- " dered that no provision for the Clerp-y of the (v'hurch of ♦' Scotland was contemplated thereby, we would most earnestly " and respectfully express to Your Majesty our hope, that " Your Majesty will be graciously pleased to extend to then* " Your Royal protection and consideration, by directing such •* provision to be made for their mnintenanrc and support, a;* ** to Your Majesty may appear proper. That Your Majesty " may long Reign in the confidence and allection of all your " subjects, to guard and secure their rights in every portion " of your widely extended dominions, is the prayer of Your " iMjijesty's faithful subjects of Upper Canada." — It happened by a singular coincidence, that tliis Address reached His Ma- jesty's Secretary of State (or the Colonies early in 1824, about the same time with the Memorial from the General Assembly, in consequence of the representations mafle by the Scotch Clergy resitling in these Provinces, as I have already men- tioned, which was similar in purport, prayinc tjjat some pro- vision be made for tlieir Missionaries in North America. The prayer of this Memorial was promised to be granted upon the 32 srxme condition as hid was granted tu the ]V]i8i>iouni*it'S of ih6 Church of England — namely, that His Majesty's Government has no objection to give assistance, but in the same manner as is done in England, through the Society for the Propaga- tion of the Gospel in Foreign parts. Inquiry is made, whe- ther such a Society exists in Scotland, and if not, what hope there is of such a Society being formed to assist with its funds the same object. I have reason to believe, that this answer was agreeable to the General Assembly ; and that steps were immediately taken to organize a Society on the model of that in England, in order to satisfy the condition upon which the Gra" ^ was to be made. A partial Society was indeed im- mediately got up in the West of Scotland ; but a National Society could alone answer the condition, and accordingly, arrangements were made to form one. Until this was done, it could not be expected that .Government would give assis- tance, or proceed any farther in the matter j nor did It seem necessary to send any reply to the House of Assembly of this Province, pending these arrangements. There was every reason to believe, that the Society required would soon be established, and then Government would grant a sum of mo- ney in aid of its funds, which would at once satisfy the Gene- ral Assembly and Legislature of this Province, and insure its due and regular application. Buc the Commons House of As- sembly getting impatient, chose, on the 27th January, 1826, to address His Majesty on the subject of the Clergy Reserves, and not confining themselves to a prayer for provision to the Ministers of the Church of Scotland. This address pro- ceeds as follows: "We further must represent. Most Gra- " clous Sovereign, that the Lands set apart in this Province •♦ for the maintenance and support of a Protestant Clergy, *' ought not to be enjoyed by any one denomination of Pro- " testants, to the exclusion ol t leir Christian Brethren of other ♦' denominations, equally conscientious in their respective " modes of M'orshipping God, and equally entitled, as dutiful* " and loyal subjects, to the protection of Your Majesty's be- ** nign and liberal Government. We therefore humbly hope " it will, in Your Majesty's wisdom, be deemed expedient and •'just, that, not only the present Reserves, but that any funds " arising from the sales thereof, shoidd be devoted to the ad- " vancement of the Christian Religion generally, and the hap- " piness of all Your Majesty's subjects, of whatever denomina- '* tion ; or if such application or distributioa should be deemed ss pro- Gra- 8^ " inexpedient, lliat the profits arising from s»!cl» appropr'uuiou "should be applied to the purposes of education, and the ♦' general improvement of tlie Province.'^This address could net fail to excite astonishment, being so much at variance with the former ;• for here the vague expression, *'a11 Protes- *' taut denominations^"'1s substituted for the Kirk of Scotland. Now, to say nothing of the impracticability of such an appro- priation, it is totally at variance with the British Constitution, an essential part of which is an Established Church. Hut of this contradiction, no notice is taken in the answer, which confines itself to do away the ajiprehensions of the Assembly, regarding an additional Reserve for the maintenance of a Pro- testant Clergy. In June 1826, His Majesty's Government, agreeable to the Memorial of iho General Assembly of the Church of Scotland, and to the Address of the House of Assembly, founded on their Resolutions of December 1823, granted a provision, to the Clergy of the Church of Scotland — not waiting, as was at first intended, either tor the final adjustment of the claim made by the Scottish Clergy on the Reserves, nor for the es- tablishment of a Society in Scotland for the Propogation of the Gospel in Foreign parts. I have reason to believe, that the King's Government thought as I certainly did think, that this Royal Grace would set the question at rest, as far as re- garded the Scotch Clergy. A provision was all they desired ; and having obtained it, there was nothing more for them to ask: Indeed, to ask for support from the Reserves, which as yet yield little or nothing, was unreasonable, and was giving up a cer- tainty for an uncertainty. I am, atifl|e same time, willing to believe, that had the friends of the Scotch Church foreseen, as they easily might, for they were told that it would be the case, that the claim advanced by them to participate, as a Protestant Clergy, in these Reserves, evidently set apart for the Established Church of England, would induce all the other Protestant denominations to claim an equal share, they would have paused before they made it — and yet, when 1 see their Advocates, without waiting for a reply, bringing for- ward the Resolutions of last Seesion of the Provincial Parlia- ment, for the sale of the Reserves, 1 am at a loss what to think or believe. Had they been consistent in their object, they would have repeated the Address of 1822 till an answer had been elicited — in fact, the prayer had been granted, and ij ' I 34 §' was soon alter proinulguteil in tliisColoii}*. Every body kno\v>f, that when an Address is not answered so soon as we expect, it is not nmisual to renew it ; nor is any change made in the request. JJefore leaving this part of the subject, I think it jnst to remark, that the Church of England, through the whole contest, has been acting entirely on the defensive. She has never attacked others but all Protestant denominations, have attacked her. — She has suffered all sorts of revileings without complaint, and her Clergy have borne the most atrocious calumnies with pa- tient forbearance — Such is the hi&iory of the progress of the opposition to the Clergy Reserves : and His Majesty's Covern- ment must see, that in giving way at all in a matter which till very recently was never ag.tatcd, they will not quiet expecta- tions, but rather encourage discontent, unless they give way altogether and leave the Church of England on a level with other denominations. il ; i':' That the Church of England is, by law, the Establighed Church in this Province, will suiRciently appear from a very (ew observations. At the capitulation of the Province of Quebec, General Arn herst granted the free exercise of the Roman Catholic Reli- gion, but the obligation of paying tithes he left to the King's pleasure. His Britannic Majesty, by the treaty of peace, agreed to grant the liberty of the Roman Catholic Religion to the inhabitants of Canada, and promised It give the most effecturd orders that his new subjects might profess the worship of their religion according to the rights of the Romish Church, and *n as far as the laws of Great Britain permitted. Now these laws at that time permitted only the Protestant Church of England to be established in any of the Colonies, for by the 1st of Eli'/.abeth, cap. 1, the Protestant reliti,ion was esta- blished in every Colony the moment it became si'bject to the ( 'roun of Great Britain, whether there was any proclamation to tijat ftl'ect or not. This Act relates not only to all the (^^iiecn's dominions, but is extended by positive words to such coinilries and places as should at an}' future time be subject to the crown of England. By which words it is quite evident, iluit the Establislinicnt of the Church of England in every co- h)uy, vvas consiilored by tho Legislature as an indespensible p;nt of the general policy of the Imperial Government, and was intended to talcf" piltct in all countries that either then maile, or ihoi'ld thereafter make a part of the dominions of the |!^ a> )d3' knows', xpect, it is le request. to remark, )ntest, has r attacked -.ed her. — )laint, and s with pa- •css of the s fjovern- which till ?t expecta- give way level with Istabllshed >in a very neral Arn olic Reli- ;he King's of peace, Religion e the most le worship h Church, d. Now Church of or by the was esta- ect to the clamation to all the ds to such subject to e evident, every co- ?spenslble nent, and ither then ousof the Crown of England. So clearly is this the cnso (liat in the Ati of Union with Scotland, the Presbyterian form is secured within the bounds of that Kingaom only, wjiile the Church of England is secured in England, Ireland, Wales, and the town of Berwick upon Tweed, and the territories thereunto belong- ing. Thus the Keligious Establishment of England is recog- nised by a fundamental law, to be the religious e-:ablishment of every British Colony, and was therefore that oi" the Pro- vince of C^uebec, from the Conquest till the passing of the 14, of the late King. In that law a change was made, and the pleasure of his Majesty in regard to tithes first declared. The Roman Catholic Clergy are allowed tithes from their own people, and all the rights and dues which they had formerly enjoyed. Indeed by this Act the Roman Catholic Religion is in some respects more liberally treated than the Church of England, and this seeming preference raised a great clamour at the time altho' its provisions do noi annul those of the 1st Elizabeth, which Establish the Protestant Rehg;ion in every Colony. But as the means of teaching it are not provided for, because, the tithes to be paid by Protestant Land-holders, and the profits of vacant benefices were never collected, and even if collected, were wholly inadequate, it was not possible for the King to give support under its enactments to the Clergy of his own Church, consequently, the Church of England re- mained as it were dead, from 1774 to 1791 a space of IZyears in the Province of Quebec, altho' by the principles of the Bri- tish Constitution, it was the established form of worship. Not that during so long a period the King was altogether negli'- gent of his religion, — for in his Royal instructions to his Re- presentatives in the Canadas, he declares in express words, that the powers and privileges of an established Church, be- long only to the Protestant Church of England : — which in- structions are still in force; ai.d he directs that in laying out new Townships, glebes of not less than 30(), and not more than 500 Acres be reserved for its support. Finding that tracts so small, could make no adequate provision, and that no tithes were ever collected from the Protestants, and that there was no support for the Protestant Clergy, actually resi- ,dent within the Province, His late Majesty signified his royal desire to His Parliament, in 1791, to be enabled to make a permanent appropriation of Land, in the Canadas, for the support and maintenance of a Protestant Clergy within the same, in proportion to the Lands granted, or to be granted; ^ 36 ■■ .-j 1. and He caHs upon His Parliament to make such enactments ns may most eil'ectuaily fulfil His Majesty's intentions. Accor- dingly, by the 31 Geo. 3, chap. 31, one-seventh of the lands in Upper Canada, have been appropriated for the support and maintenance of a Protestant Clergy, and so interwoven is this appropriation with the landed property in the Province, that no Grant from the Crown is valid, unless it contains a specified reserve, ecjiml to one-seventh of the land which it grants. It is here of importance to remark, that the phrase "a Protes- tant Clergy" was used in the instructions to the Governors-in- Chief, immediately after the Conquest. It was used in the 14th of Geo. 3, and again in the Constitutional Act of 1791, and evidently means the Clergy of the Church of England, in contradistinction to the Clergy of the Church of Rome. Soon after the passing of this latv, instructions respecting the Re- serves, were sent out, directing the Governor-in-Council to devise some permanent sclieme for leasing them, ajid which was directed to be communicated to the Bishop of Quebec, for His Lordship's information and opinion. In their report the Council states that it is of great importance that the Es- tablished Constitution hi Church and State, should be so in- terwoven with the whole social system in Upper Canada, as to engage men's interests as well as their feelings, in its sup- port, and make it in popular and daily estimation,— -all which is no less essential to the security of Property, than to the pre- servation of Religion, and maintenance of good order. The King in the exercise of his Royal Prerogative, and following up the provisions of the Act, appointed a Bishop tor Quebec, by which title both Provinces are included in one Diocese, t»nd 1 as from time to time attended to the wants of the Establishment, by constituting a Corporation of the Clergy for the management and snperintendance of the Clergy Re- serves, hi order that this provision might be rendered more e/fectual, and by dividing the Diocese into Archdeaconries. In regard to the enactments of the 31 Geo. 3, cap. 31, which have respect to the appropriation for the support of a Protes- tant Clergy, they are all descriptive of the Church of England, and of no other Church, and from the evident care of con- '.muing the phrase "a Protestant Clergy" from the Conquest to the present time, it is manifest that it is used in contradis- tinction to the Roman Catholic Clergy. The Article "a" was preferred in the Royal iastructibus, and in the 14th o|* \M Geo. 3d, because it Is distinctive, and places the Protestant and Roman CatlM)lic Clergy in cuiitrasi; — and Ucuuse there was at that time no Protestant Clergy ni enhi-r Province, and therefore the Article **f/ifc" could not with propriety be made use oi'. A provision for a Protestant Clergy was to be made^ and then a Protestant Clergy was to be introduced. i,a.'(< I have never indeed met with a single person conversant in the Ijaw who had any doubt as to tiie phrase " a Protestant Clergy" in the Constitutional Act, meaning the Clergy of the Church of England. 1 shall therelore content myself witli read- ing the opinion of one of the most promising Barristers in England on the subject. *' I am of opinion that the provisions of 31 Goo. 3(1, are appli- ^' licablc only to the Clergy ofthe Church of England. Whatever "miglit have been the original meaning of the expression "rt " Protestant Clergy'''' in ti>e 14 Geo. 3, it appears tome that the "subsequent instructions and message of His Majesty, recited "in the 31 Geo. 3d, together with the Provisions of that Act, "(and especially that which speaks of institution and of the " spiritual jurisdiction ofthe Bishop) plainly point out that the "expression is to be understood as referring to the Clergy of "the Church of England only. "-4 Protestant C/erg-y evi- "dently means one single and entire body of persons; now the "Clergy of the Church of England, and those ofthe Kirk of "Scotland can never form one body. If therefore the Clergy "ofthe Kirk of Scotland be let in, there is no reason why any " other denomination of Dissenters should not also be admitt- "ed, and the words "« Protestant Clergy" must then be "taken to mean Protestant Ministers, or Teachers, m iich »p- " pears to me to be absurd. The expression was used in con- "tradistinctionto the Romish Clergy, and although I am not "prepared to say that an establishment, similar to the Kirk of "Scotland, might not have satisfied the words of 14 Geo. 3, "yet I am quite convinced that it would not have satisfied "those ofthe 31 Geo. 3. Being of opinion therefore, that the Acts contemplate one single body of Protestant Clergy, I have no doubt that the Clergy of the Church of England are that body ; and the erecting the Provinces into a Bishtip- "rick, and every thing done siace, plainly shews that such iu ^'the right interpretation. — I am also of opinion, that the "Governors of the Provinces acting under His Majesty's di- ^rectioD, cannot legally make any appropriation to the Minis- 4( t( \i ^ i I I S8 "(erfi of other Churches. I think that nothing short of an Act ''of the l^egLshiture confirined in England, can authorise them *»to do 80. The Charter of April 1819, would create a dil- *' ficulty in the passing of any such Act, and without a neu- '* Act, that Charter alone would almost decide the question." Signed. JOHN PATTERSON. Timpk, May 20ih, 1824. It is impossible to read the clauses for the regulation, sup- port, and endowments of the Church, according to the Es- talilishment of the Church «>f England, and the powers which they confer upon the King's Representative, without being convinced that that Church only could be meant. The Act enters into minute details, and anticipates the set- tlement of more than one Clergyman in a Parish, or Town- ship, by which it would seem that its framers were not igno- rant that in new countries such subdivisions were frequently too great for the exertions of one Clergyman, and therefore the 38th clause provides for the erection of one or more Rectories, in any one Township or Parish, according to the establisii- ment of the Church of England. This clause would of itself, in my opinion, decide the question as to what Church the Re- serves were intended to support, for it has in prospect, the es- tablishment of as many Clergymen as the population shall at any time require. I need hardly call the attention of this Honorable House to the length of time which must elapse, before this enactment can be satisfied by any Revenue accruing from the Reserves. — The support of a single Clergyman from the Lands set apart for any one Township, cannot be effected for many years, and how many more must pass away before two or three can be supported. — Add to this the numerous Towns and Villages continually springing up, which will all require Clergymen, but for whose support there is no provision, except from the general reservation. But I feel it quite unnecessary for me to dwell any longer on the various claims of the Constitutional Act, as they re- spect the establishment of the Church of England, since they are well known to every Hon. Gentleman present. On this part of the subject it is necessary to revert to th(H| 1 Coronation Oath, as it was administered to His present Ma- -sap ^9 rt of an Act iiorise therii reate a dil- liout a new [|uestion." JRSON. aUon, sup- to the Es- wers which lout being tes the set- or Tovvn- not igno- juently too jrefore the Rectories, ; establish- Id of itself, eh the Re- ect, the es- )n shall at ! House to ctment can ves.— The apart for years, and ree can be d Villages Clergymen, it from the ny longer is they re- since they ert to tlie1|| esent Ma- jesty, in order to prove that the Phraseology used on the dil^ ferent Acts of Parliament — beginning with the Ut ofKliza- beth, to this time, and the Coronation Oaths as administered to former Kings, remain the same. — The third clause ruis thus : — *' Will yuu to the utmost of your power, maintain tiie *'laws of God, the true profcission of the Gospel, and the Pro- *'testant reformed Religio;* esiahlished by law ? And will yon "maintain and preserve invioiiibly, the settlement of the Uni- "ted Church of England and Ireland, and the doctrine, wor- "ship, discipline, and Government thereof, as by law establish-* "cd, within England and Ireland, and the territories thcreun- "to belonging.'' — Thus the phrase "and territories thereunto belonging" runs through all the laws respecting the Church, from the 1st of Elitabeth, and includes now, as it did then, all' the British Dominions except Scotland. Moreover this Diocese is a portion of the Ecclesiastical Province of Canter- bury, and consequently the rights and privileges of the Church and Clergy within it, rest upon as firm a basis as those of England. It is true, these rights and privileges are not the same here as in England or Ireland, nor have I any wish that they should be so — here we have no civil or political dictinc- tions founded upon those that are rehgious, nor is any contri- bution drawn for the support of the Church, from those who profess a creed difierent from hers: Nevertheless ours is the Religion of the State, and established by the fundamental laws of the British Empire. It were easy to shew that the establishment of the Church of England in this Province, has been recognised by all wri- ters who have had occasion to notice the subject ; but I sliall content myself with mentioning one of the noblest character and attainments. Mr. Burke in his famous Letter to Sir Hercules Langreshe, says: — "I voted last Session for an es- " tablishment of the Church of England, with the establish- " ment that was made some years before by an Act of Parlia- "meut of the Roman Catholic, in the French conquered coun- "try of Canada." That the Church of England is considered and held to be the Established Church in the Colonies, is farther confirmed b^ the steps recently taken by His Majesty's Government, for its support and efficiency in the West Indies, and especially in New South Wales. In this latter country a reservation is made, of l^nds, fpr the maintenaiice of the Clergy, and for the 40 #' purposes ofEdiiciUiun, similar to that which has taken place in thift country, and a I'harter has hecn granted lor their roaii- afj^eriient, with po^vnrs far pfreater than those conferred upon the Corporation in Upper or Lower Canada. — It confers a power to sell to the extent of ouo-rthird of the Lands reserved in each County, and to grant Leases not exceeding thirty years, or the duration of two lives. — It gives the control and expenditure of the monies received, which are to he expended in the erection of Churches and J:'arsonage Houses, and in the maintenance and support of the Clergy of the Iilstublished Church of England, in the said Colony. A certain propor- tion is to be appropriated to the maintenance and support of Schools, and School Masters, and also in improving the re- maining Lanch, and making Roads through them, he. &:c. he. The Corporation to consist of the Governor, tlu\Chief Justice, the Secretary, the Members of the Legislative Council, the Archdeacon, and nine senior Chaplains. On the subject of the University I shall say but little. The Charter is the most liberal tnat has ever been granted, and has, I have reason to believe, been copied for the College of Nevv-Iirunsvvick, and received by that Province as a most gracious boon. Young men of every Christian denomination are freely ad- mitted to all the advantages of education, and although such as are of the Established Church are placed under the more immediate care of the institution in regard to Religion, it is presumed that others will be consigned to their respective teach- ers, so that on this most important of all subjects no difference can be anticipated, la Edinburgh, Episcopalian youth go to the University, for science and literature, but for Religious in- structioHt they attend Dr. Walker, an eminent Divine belong- ing to the Episcopal Church. — I am not aware at present, of any impediment to a similar arrangement being made by tlio Presbyterians of the Kirk of Scotland, or any other denomina- tion within this Province, and if it should take place, the re- ligious instruction of the Students of King's College, may be so conducted as to be satisfactory to all parties. But, religion must not be neglected, nor will I ever regard it as a matter pjT indifference, how the youth placed at a Seminary over which I preside, enter the world, in respect to their knowledge of Chrisiianity. While therefore every precaution will be taken, to prevent unprofitable disputation, every effort will be made, more 41 lo elevate thrir minds, by directiii:; their atti-ntioii to tliose topic?!, wlijcli ahove all «)llu'rs are taleiilalel lo raiM' tin; moral and intellectual facullie'i, and to pnMliict' tlio-io nj;iulv, sdIj^t, and j)ure graces, vvliitli confer aucli dignity and beaiU) on ilie Christian character. I am aware that some institution"* ("or proinotinu the instruc- tion of the people ha.e oeen recrntly cstahrmhed, from which Religion has been altou'ctlu-r excluded : — Hut 1 have never heard, that any seriou^ friend of tli(! (iospid has come lorw ird to patronist' them. — [ndeed no Christian can conceive the pos- sible existence of a useftd Seminiry, tlie principle of which is the exclusion of fleli^ious instruction. Any one acquainted with the human heart, and the certain current of human habits and feelings, well knows, that the certain consequence of bringing up youth without religious principles and impressions, is t<» multiply reprobates. Daily experience tells us what kind of men those ttu'n out to be, who have been brought up in the total neglect of all religious du- ties — of Sabbath worship — of reading the Scriptures, and of public and private prayer. Do we ever find any upright trust- worthy, or giving Religion a thought, uidoss they have been educated in it from their childiiood ? Does not experience prove, that God in the distribution of His blessings always acts, by aiding, assisting, and cooperating, with secondary means, and that religious Parents are the secondary means, which His wisdom has appointed, to continue religion to their children. But it is unnecessary to argue upon this subject, or to say more thai* to recall to Christians the positive commands of Scripture — to teach Children the fear of God- -to bring them up in the fear and admonition of the Lord : While therefore King's College will be open to all denominations of Chris- tians, it vi^ill nevertheless possess a religious character. On this point the Council will be of one mind, by which Union is secured, and the best pledge afforded of order and regularity. I have now finished the observations which I considered it my duty to make to this Hon. House ; — and although there may be a difference among Gentlemen, in regard to some of my opinions and arguments, 1 have stated them without re- .A ■ ^ serve, and even at the risque of being thought tedious, that • IP E 42 all may I''' ••''>'*' to jiul^r of the ^'roiiiuU ot'niy proficcllnps : And I do (laticr in}M If, that vwry lion. JSh-niluT oClliis House, wliau \( r lii> i>ii\iiti' sfntinitnis on ihe sruhjcit may hv, will carrv lioii.i? wiili li'iin llio t Mii\i(fion, that tiiron^liout tlie ^^llol(•, J li:i\r aiK d an lionc si and ronsi.»trnt part — lliat 1 have iu'vrr allowed iln- ^olltl•o^( isy on ijic snlijocl of Uu' Reserves, to n)in^Ie widi n»y soeial relations, or admitted mvsell to de- fend what I deem the vested ri{:!,hts of the K^tablished Chiireh, upon any but fair prineiple?. Nor is it in this matter only that I have acted nn uprif^ht and honorable part: I ehallenf^e the strictest and niost minute investigation of my >\liole cctnilnct, since I came into the Pro- vince, with the full conh(h nee of bein^ able to refute in the most triumphant manner every ace usation that can be brought af^ainst me. Never have I in any respect compromised my cliarac»er as a ('hristian IMinister, or neglected to discharge with the utmost integrity, the > arious duties that have from time to time been assigned me, nor have 1 ever violated a pub- lic principle, or deserted a private friend. I have only to apologise for the lor)p th of time which I have taken up, and to return my thanks for the patient hearing which has been given nie : iVnd in closing, 1 beg leave to craAe from Hon. Mendjers some indulgence, as to my future attendance in ibis House. During the last twenty-nine years, I have been assiduously engaged as opportunities oflered, in contributing to the formation of a system of Education for this Colony, which though still new in operation, contains the seeds of great perfection. The outline, by the Establishment of the University is now complete, but a strict superintendance will for many years be absolutely necessary. If therefore, I should not appear so often in my j)lace, as my respect for the House would induce, I hope that my absence will meet with a kind interpretdiion : not that I wish to be absent when my presence is deemed necessary, or, when the interests of Re- ligion and Education are concerned. — But in other matters, I confess that 1 feel less interest and may be well spared, as many of my Hon. Erieuds are far more competent than I, to discuss and decide upon questions of policy, and the general business of the Country. IJonoralle Gentlemen : — Devoted through life to my King, and the Civil aud Ecclesiastical constitution of my Country — 4d ut nrncp with (lod, :iiiil inv <>«vn consriciKr, I ran boar with t'(|iiiiiiitihty( ndiiiiuiy iinil ri-|irii;irli, aiid li iKM'pssarv MllM"l r!'|)H- tatioii wliirli I liroimlu with inc IVumi m-uiI ukL ;iii«' who know inc l)<'«;t, and with whom I have act<'d [i»r so many vcar<, and I fcrl proudly conscious, that I deserve the (Vij'udshin ind esieein of a'l ho- uorahlc men, and the approbuiioii ortlie whole l*roviuce. % •