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s? V iV \ \ ^ '<>^ ^9) V ^^ # 6^ *h % 1? ^^\4^^■' r^\^ .^ Ltal amount of IS an absurdly it. (Laughter lestion to con- ies now before proper regard tton) believed jrease in every durable gentle- stent grounds tnplain of this It was natural yhere was the rative govern - ;aven had ever )plau8e.> Mr. the estimates government, ons, immigra- 1, maintenance igs, charges on eous expendi- The increases e and public 3ated how we Ve spent upon , or $2,235 per Qr )AY ; , $184,402 or re, $206,688 or J 540 per day ; on Administration of ustice, $413(5,276 or $1,110 per day ; on Colonization Roads, $107,450 or $a00 per day. There was no evidence to show that these amounts were not honestly and economically expended. If the sums pro- posed to be expended were too much it was the DUTY OF EVERY REPF ESENTATIVK in the House to state his views and work for their reduction. But it was impossible to please honourable gentlemen opposite. If the expenditure WrtS increased they complainca and complaint was made if they were decreased. The country be- lieved that the expenditures of the prov- ince were honestly and economically made and the return of the Government to power was to be regarded as evidence that che people were well satistied and that they had practically said to the Govern- ment " Well done, good and faithful ser- vants,— you have done well in the past ; we will trust you in ♦^he future." (Applause.) Turning his attention to Mr. Hoyle, the member for North Ontario, Mr. Stratton congratulated him upon the fluency of his address, which he had be- gun by congratulating the financial critic of the Opposition upon the fail-, candid and general character of his criticism. It was indeed very general, so general in fact that he jumped at conclusions, ignoring facts in support of his conclusions. The honourable member from North Ontario had continued his ad- dress with an interesting chapter on "Action," impressing in the beginning of his speech a character, which he consist- ently maintained to the close. In his fic- titious explanation of the trust funds, the honourable gentleman said that Mr. Con- mee had much to learn, but Mr. Stratton feared that if he depended upon Mr. Hoyle for enlightenment on the subject, he was doomed to remain in ignorance. (Hear, hear !) The honourable gentleman from North Ontario, in discussing the Common School fund left the House a liberal choice in the matter of name— it was first called a "fiction," then a "fund," then an "obliga- tion."— a specimen of hair-splitting that would make even Mr. Mathieson himself look to his laurels. (Hear, hear). Mr. Hoyle might deny that he called this fund a ' 'fiction " ana put the responsibility upon Mr. Blake, who, as counsel, was do- ing a little special pleading, but Mr. Stratton assumed that Mr. Hoyle WAS IN SYMPATHY AVITH Mr. Blake's contention, and should accept the responsibility. If this fund Avas a " fiction " it was a fiction of the right des- cription, for who had even heard before of an interest-bearing fiction ? (Hear, hear and applause.) A fiction that yielded to the Province jH'O.OOO a year was the kind of fiction we wanted; "and Mr. Speaker," said Mr. Stratton, "if you can load the shelves of the parliamentary library with works of fiction of this sort you will be conferring an inestimable benefit upon the Province. (Applause.) The hon. gentleman t'so ob- jects to the $10,000 appropriated for arbi- tration expenses. In a matter of thi.s kind where millions of dollars are involved, the best interests of the Province demanded that only the best available counsel should be selected. In no other connection could economy be more emphatically misplaced — a moment of weakness or slackness on the part of a cheap and inefficient counsel might represent incalculable loss to the Province. If th«» Hon. Mr. Blake hi.d not been employed on the occasion referred to by the hon. gentleman for South Ontario, he would not have made the remark quoted, and Mr. Hoyle would have been robbed of his subject for a speech. Mr. Stratton said that he or any other business man would adopt the course of going to an expense for counsel and ad- vice in proportion to the magnitude of the inl-erests at stake. He, or any other busi- ness man, would do the same in their pri- vate affairs, and the same reasons JUSTIFIED THE PKOVINCT^: IN GOING to the expense of $10,000 in securing several of the best counsel for a most important and protracted arbitration. It had been fortunate for the province in the past that we had Provincial Treasurers who had estimated these matters at their true value and had employed competent coun- sel, with results that compensated for the expenditure involved a thousand fold, (Hear, Lear.) The honourable gentleman had apparently worked off part, at least, of an election campaign speech. In a burst of eloquence he had depicted the terrible burdens Ontario was labouring under. The bonded municipal indebtedness he placed at fifty-one millions, the cost of legislation at three and a half millions, municipal taxation, annually, twelve millions, and Ontario contributed to customs fifteen millions annually, and the fee system was responsible for a million Mr. Stratton pointed out that in respect of the bonded municipal indebtedness (although there was in reality no such thing) and the municipal taxation, these were something that the Legislature could not control, except to the limited extent that was Eossible through the restrictions that had een placed upon the borrowing powers of municipalities. The cost of legislation, by which the honourable gentleman evi- dently meant the governing of the pro- vince, was not at all excessive. With regard tp the customs duties imposed by the 6 Dominion Government, tliat was some- thing which this Legislature had no power to deal with, and > 'hich Mr. Hoyle and his party bad forced upon the country in the shap* of excessive protection duties. With regeurd to the fee system, that WAS HETTI,ED UV THE PF:0PI.E long ago. With reerard to the provincial expenditure, if that was considered excessive, when the estimates were broutrht down that was the time for the Opposition to object. (Hear, hear.) They should put their objections in specific form and not sit silently, consending to the expenditure adopted, and then afterwards, when it was too late, find fault for the pur- pose, apparently, of making party capital. (Hear, near.) Mr. Hoyle nad made it plain that it was not to the expenditures on education and agriculture that he objected, but to the results. This was a singular objection for anybody with the slightest practical knowledge of these subjects to urge. How were we going to set down a specific statement of the results in either of these branches ? If a farmer sowed a certain amount of seed on an acre of ground he could get specific results- a yield of so many bushels and pounds, but if he applied a fertilizer to increase a crop how was he going to estimate the exact re- sults, although he might have the best of evidence of beneficial effects ? As to the results in education, we know that our people are educated better than the people of almost any oth«r country in the world. (Hear, hear.) Was it not satisfactory proof of good results that the graduates of our universities who came through the Public and High Schools WERE GIVEN PROMINENT POSITIONS in the colleges of the United States? Was it not a proof of the benefits resulting from the administration of the Department of Agriculture that Ontario had gained the position^of being the best producer of agri- cultural products in the world, that her cheese and other products had no superior in the British markets ? (Hear,hear.) The hon. gentleman did not point out any improvements that he would like to see effected. He only vaguely complained of unsatisfactory results. He would sur- round the Minister of Education with an advisory board. The minister had now an excellent advisory board. He had the benefit of the opinions of educational ex- Eerts, of school inspectors, etc., etc., and e had the Legislature as an advisory board, and what more did he need ? As well might advisory boards be provided for the other cabinet ministers. Whs.t we wanted was a responsible ministe* re- sponsible to the House, and through the Efouse to the people. We wanted no sys- shirk his responsibility shelter himself behind i tem whereby a Minister of Education could to Paliamenfc and an advisory board. (Applause.) Complaint, too, was made of excessive examinations, but there were but TWO EXAMINATIONS THAT could be rogan'ed as compulsory— that for teachers' certificates; and the entrance ex- amination was not compulsory except the pupil desires to reach a certificate through the High School. It was the policy of tue Department to interfere as little as possible with trustees in the domestic management of their schools. Mr. Stratton said he was glad the honourable gentleman approved of something and spoke in praise oi Prof. James' text book on Agriculture, which, Mr. Stratton believed, it was the intention to authorize if it had not already been done for use in the Rural Schools. This book the honourable gentleman looked to for the education of the farmers' sons and to help the farmers pay off the mortgages on their farms. While the teaching of agri- culture in the schools was to be commf^nd- ed, the Government had taken the READIEST AND MOST PROPER WAY to help the farming industry. Public and elementary schools had long been in ex- istence, but it was only now that technical branches were being intro- duced. It would be a long time before the leaching of agriculture in the schools could have any practical effect upon farming operations. The system of the Government was a practical one in relation to agriculture. Through the medium of the Farmers' Institutes and the regular system of bulletins, and the Experimental Farm the special knowl- edge needed was made at once available to the farmers for practical application. (Hear, hear.) Complaint was made by the Opposition critics tnat our surplus assets, were fast disappearing. We nad heard the same cry for the past thirty years. In regard to the surplus the honourable mem- ber had asserted that the contention of the Opposition was that the only proper surplus was such as that ahown oy Sand- field Macdonald, " who had a genuine cash surplus " of over three million dollars. The Opposition objected to the sale of timber, yet the boasted Sandfield Mac- donald surplus was derived chiefly from that source and if Sandfield HAD PAID HIS OBLIGATIONS his surplus would have been gone. This was information that was in the possess-- ion of every school boy and one would have thought that it had penetrated to North Ontario. The honourable gentleman had made com- parisons of expenditure. If he wanted to. continue his "comparisons" he had only to, > lucation could 'aliament and ivisory board. , was tuade of there were but THAT sory— that for } entrance ex- )ry except the [Icate throoch 5 pohoy of the itleatj possible ! mana(;cment in said he was nan approved •raise or Prof, alture, which, the intention already been Schools. This nan looked to irs' sons and to mortgages on ching of agri- be commi^nd- jn the )PER WAY r. Public and g been in ex- now that being intro- long time jn:"iculture in ractical effect 'he system of oticai one in rhrough the istitutes and tins, and the 3ecial knowl- e available to application. 4 made by the urplus assets e had heard ety years. In curable mem- Kontention of only proper own by Sand- d a genuine illion dollars. I the sale of .ndfleld Mac- chiefly from iTlONS gone. This the possess-. y and one that it th Ontario, id made com- be wanted to. e had only to* > investigate, and he would And out that from 180H to 1870 the increased percentage of expenditure was greater than in any corresponding period since, except the years in which the Parliament buildings were being erected. Severe criticism had been directed against the expense of the administration of justice, and against the increased cost. Mr. Hoyle wanted the judicial districts enlarj?ed. Would he have an enlargement of the judicial districts of Nipisslng, Algoma and Muskoka? Mr. Hoyle object to junior judges— that there was not work enough for two judges in some districts. He should recollect that when they were appointed he did not object- when his objections mights have had more weight— when his political friends were in power at Ottawa. If he had objected then he would have shown some consistency in entering his protest now If the people were not n ore heavily burdened with taxation than through the judges, they would not consider them- selves very heavily taxed, though Mr. Hoyle complained that the people of Ontario were taxed thirty-one millions a year, a circumstance for which this House is not responsible. Mr. Hoyle laid considerable emphasis upon the anxiety of the Government supporters TO COMPARE THE COST of maintaining Ontario public institutions with those of the several States, greatly to the advantage of Ontario, but he as- serted that a comparison of the cost of the executive in Ontario with large States would show Ontario's expense as excess- ive. Mr. Hoyle asserted that the cost of the executive, the cabinet ministers, in Ontario, was !p35,000, while in the State of New York, the cost was only f 31,000, and in Michigan $7,400. Mr. Stratton pointed out that the comparison was in every way unfair and misleading, because the respec- tive administrative systems were totally diverse, and it was impossible to institute anything like a fair or intelligible compari- son. (Hear, hear.) All that could be done was to compare the general expenses of the states in the matter or the salaries of departmental officers as against Ontario. For instance, the work done in Ontario in the Provincial Secre- tary's office.was In New York State,dlvlded between forty and fifty highly paid officials, very few of them drawing less salary and some of them three times as much as the corresponding Ontario officials. Mr. Stratton then submitted a list relating to the officials of New York State, of wnlch the first seven were elect- ed by the people. The salaries of these seven aggregated $31,000 as mentioned by Mr. Hoyle, but that gentJenian did not point out that there were over twenty other highly paid officers who were REALLY THE liXKCUTIVB officers of the State and attended to mat- ters similar to those performed by the several executive departments of Ontario. Some of these officials have salaries as large in some cases as Cabinet Ministers and the aggregate of their salaries is ? 230,000, not including the salaries of a ost of assistants and clerks, who receive in many cases five times the salary of the highest departmental official in (Jntario. It is no wonder then that the total an-i nual expenditure of New York State isover twenty millions of dollars. (Applause.) " We don't want that kind of expenditure In Ontario. That is not the way our econ- omy has been practised." (Applause.) The honourable gentleman from North Ontario preached a very nice, little, moral sermon on the I'air, and candid criticism of pro- vincial questions, but in view of his mis- leading, unfair and utterly impossible comparison of New York state with On- tario, his high morality and his elegantly rounded periods became as "sounding brass and a tinkling cymbal." (Hear, hear.) With regard to the policy which has been adopted by the House in the matter of restrictive legislation, affecting our tim- ber resources, It would be necessary to pro- vide a source of revenue to take the place of that temporarily decreased by the appli- cation of the patriotic manufacturmg policy introducea by the Government and adopted by the House. No one disputed the fairness of the prin- ciple of levying succession duties. The whole Anglo-Saxon world does so. It was the true principle that till large estates, en- joying the protection of the laws, should pay at the death of the owner a fair per- centage as a slight acknowledgment of the protection afforded, and when, as in Ontario, the results of such payments are devoted exclusively to assist in the main- tenance of charitable Institutions, the principle of succession duties becomes ad- ditionally defensible. (Applause.) There was no revenue more just, more popular and less burdensome than the one paid on the succession of property. This prlnciplei admitted, Mr. Stratton asked why all cor- porations should not be brought within the operation of a similar duty and bear their share of the expense of the protec- tion and other conditions that make their successtui operation possible? Corpora- tions endeavoured to evade all such re- sponsibility as soon as they are incorpoif-. ated, and some gf [■ ii THESE' CREATIONS OK THE I.K(USLA.TIVE POWER act AS If they wore superior to the creator. (Hear, hear.) Ah a rule the first aim of these Krcat bodies in to escape municipal or other taxation, and in this way obtain exemption from taxation in another form than that voluntarily conceded to manu- facturina industries, and it would take the Hou.se all its time to circumvent all the dodges adopted by these corporations to evade paving. Mr. Stratton said he had no hostility to these institutions, for he was connected with several of tiiem him- self. He believed that ail banks, insur- ance companies— fire and life— trust com- panies, telegraph, telephone and electric railway companies should pay some- thing for the great privileges they are enjoying at the hands of this House. tn regard to financial cor- porations, Mr. Stratton said he held, speaking for himself alone, that the^ snould pay duty upon their paid up capi- tal and their rest account. With regard to this question of revenue it was only when we come to a situation that necessi- tated a temporary provision for increased revenue that we felt impelled to look to what other countries are doing in this matter. If we did so we should discover that in nearly all the States of the Union THE CHIEF HOUHIK OF IlKVENUE >vas a tax levied upon local municipalities and in the State of Indiana this was al- most the only source of revenue. In the States of New York, Connecticut and Massachusetts corporation and inheritance taxes formed a very large part of the revenue. The same condition prevailed in Pennsylvania also. Now in Ontario, Mr. Stratton pointed out, we had not yet be- gun to exploit for revenue. The bounty of Providence had endowed us with great natural resources which yield a large revenue, but without full development are not all suflHcient sources. When these sources of revenue ceased we should have to look for other revenue. Mr. Stratton said that apart from sources of revenue which he would refer to later, a study '^' the sources of income of the various American States showed to a surprising extent the sources of income the various States had in the way of direct taxation : The State of Massachusetts received last year $9,500,771, about three times the total revenue of Ontario, made up from State, Corporation, Savings Bank, National Bank, Excise Tax on liife Insurance, In- surance Companies— Fire and Life, Collat- eral Legacy, Liquor Licenses, Fees for Corporation Certificates, Hp-vvkert and Pedlars' Licenses, and the Massachi setts Hospital Life Insurance Company. Only three of these wore a similar source of revenue to some of that of Ontario. ▲ i/lanco at New York State showed the aggregate receipts during the year amounted to aVnost $.'i;{,()0(>,(XK», over seventeen and a half million dollars being direct revenue upon corporations, only three sources of revenue being similar to ours. It was also to be observed that the Manhattan Uallwa;v and the New York Central Railway paid almost HALF A Mil, I. ION DOLLARS, while the Bank of Montieal paid nearly «:«),000 and the Bank of Commerce f 10,(X)0, The revenue of the State of Connecticut for a similar period amounted to two and ahalf million dollars, all levied by direct taxation, with the exception of the Col- lateral Inheritance Incomt. The State of Ml'ihlgan received five and a half million dollars. One half of this amount was from direct taxation upon municipalities, and the other from railroad. Insurance, telegraph, telephone and express com- panies. The State of Texas had nn Income of three million dollars, one million being from sales and leases of lands which would be similar to our Crown Lands Revenue. In this State almost every kind of occupation except thni of farmers, printers ana man- ufacturers is made to pay revenue. Even the lawyers are caxeo, .-vud this is about the only state that seemed to get even with the learned profession, and although the speaker did not recommend the adop- tion of the United States system, still, he thought, we might do worse in Ontario than to receive some direct advantage from the legal profesNion. The receipts for the state of Indiana amounted to seven and a quarter million dollars, three and a half million of this sum being direct taxa- tion, the balance coming from benevolent institution fund, state debt sinking fund, educational Institution fund and school revenue fund. The state of California had total receipts of about eleven million of dollars, eight millions being direct taxa- tion received from county treasurers. Rail- road companies paid a million and a quar- ter, so that a superficial glance at the revenues derived by these states men- tioned will show that almost every state in the Union has had A SYSTEM OF DIRECT TAXATION for many years. The honourable gentle- man from North Ontario was very anxious to go to the United States for a model of an economical administration. Was the policy of taxation just referred to, whicn prevailed in the United States, what Mr. Hoyle wished to serve for a irodel in Ontario? To amplify the com- Sarison which the honourable gentleman ad instituted, comparison might be niade iliir source of Unturio. ate showed the ifjf the year {,(KK),(KK», over 11 (lolhirs beinK orations, only iiiK similar to tcrved that the he Now York LLARS, il paid nearly imerce m benevolent sinking fund, d and school California had 'en million of g direct taxa- asurers. Rail- m and a quar- ^lance at the states men- st every state lXATION arable gentle- I very anxious or a model of 3n. Was the referred to, nited States, serve for a ilify the com- le gentleman light be made with the cost of the state biiildings of New York at Albany, which had cost between twenty and twenty-live millions and were uot yet llnished, with the Parliament bulldlngH of Ontario, which were llnished within the specKled time without a dollar corruptly spent and without a rotten brick or a crooked nail in the whole structure. (Applause.) Mr. Matheson— Has the honourable fjentleman ever heard that the floor of the ibrary was not safe i Mr. Stratton— Oh, my honourable friend th'nks many things are unsafe. He thmks that our annual surplus of half a million is unsafe. (Laughter). Mr. Stratton, went on to point out that we in Ontario ha 1 EXCKl'TIONAL NATURAL RESOURCES that have enabled the Government to maintain the institutions and develop the resources of the countrv without placing a dollar of burden directly upon the people ; and this province could be conducted on similar lines in the future to that of iiie past were it not deemed wiser to adopt a greater policy of development and a more patriotic policy of Ontario for Ontarians, and to secure the necessary revenue re- ?|ulred to compensate for the loss accruing rora the restrictive legislation of last year. Howr^er, this matter might be more fully I. ■ ied when the bill making provision for the expected loss of revc.iue came up for consideration. xVlr, Stratton said that the Speech indicated the possibility of a decreased revenue from Crown Lands, which arose from a decreased demand from what was for many years our largest market, as well as from a decreased cut, resulting from the restriction which the Government and the House almost unanimously, with a patriotic regard for the provincial interests, saw fit to have adopted. That was a policy which public opinion strongly endorsed and still approves of. The highest test of patriot- ism was a willingness to pay for it. This public spirited policy had oeen adopted and it was impossible to rece.ie from it. (Hear, hear). The policy of Canada for Canadians and Ontario "for Ontarionians in this regard must prevail. (Applause.) It might lead t« decreased revenue, but it would conserve interests of paramount importance and above all it was right. At any rate the deficiency must be met. Two sessions ago the speaker had pointed out that our largest source of revenue, which is of a fluctuating nature owing to the quantity cut and the demand of the trade, was bound in the lapse of time to grow smaller and that it could not be depended upon ; that it would SOON HE NEOEHSARV to cast about for new sources of revenue. The expenditure would, as the flevelop- ment of the P'ovince expanded, neces- sarily be greuter. We were now confront- ed V ith tlie doul)le problem of not onlv conserviuji but strengthening them and wo must provide revenue for an increas- ingly expansive and necessary public ser- vice. There were many services that could not 1)0 neglected without a corres- fonding injury to the interests concerned. t was not possible that our charitable and other institutions could be efHciently maintained at less cost, for they were now managed at a less cost than in any other civilized state. At i general glance it 'vas not easy to see where a reduction could be nmde. On the other hand it might be necessary, and, he hoped to show before he had done, justi- fiable, to greatly increase the expendi- ture. He would endeavour to show that in the matter of permanent interests, in order to ellect proper results a greater ex- penditure would be advisable. Though what he might have to suggest might not (!'-"^tly or appreciably increase the rev- enu ;t wjuld, he believed, create ccndi- llon^ I aat would, while materially advanc- ing tie conditions of the province, leaf! in a 'irge degree to the solution of the pro- blem <.r prov^^'^iug "the sinews of war." Mr. Strat*^! i said that this brought him to the co.u;ideration of what seemed to him a vpvy 1 iportant matter. At the present tLiiie there was a disposition abroaa in the W(,-.d to seek closer relations by nations possc-^ing reciprocal conditions of natural alliance. In the broad sense the bitterness of national feeli*!,'* in notable instances, was, all would recogxa/e, becoming less- ened, and A TENDENCY SHOWN in the line of a general desire for cosmo- politan ppaeeful relations. In view of this it seemed to the speaker that we in Ontario, we in the House, should by mutual consent drop the bitterness of party spirit which frequently largely pre- vailed, which antagonized both sides of the House and, to a large extent, paralyzed their energies, or diverted them into a direction not only fruitless of results, but an actual source of injury to provincial in- terests. In the mad wrangle of party war- fare important interests were lost f'ght of. It rwas time, Mr. Stratton thought, that the petty intensity that marked party feeling should be eradicated. Those on the floor of the House, Conservative and Liberal alike, were responsible for the development of the resources of this pro- vince, responsible for the faithful dis- charge of the trust committed them by the people. We boasted, with good rea- 10 Hi son, of the great and almost infinite natural resources of this province, and no member of the House will be guiltless of breach of trust if, through unworthy de- votion to petty party squabbles, he inter- fered with the magnificent opportunities presented for the improvement of the province- of developing the great natural resources of the prov>, ce. Mr. Stratton said he did not altogether deprecate the party spirit ; it was as proper as it was mevitable under our system of govern- ment. But it should be "kept in its proper place— in a place subordinate to the great mterests of this country. Hs remarks might not meet with universal approval, but he was sure that EVERY RIGHT THINKING citizen would endorse them. In this re- Sard the speaker felt he was justified in emanding on behalf of the best interests of the province, a cessation of petty party warfare— in demanding that the great abilities of both sides or the House, should f'.nd a higher employment than absoluce, cibsurption in parish politics -that the ability and energies of both sides of the House should be unitedly directed in the main -though as to detail there might be differences of opiaion-to the development of the illimitable natural resources of Ontario. So that great as had been our Srogi-ess in the past, proud as was our con- Ition at present it would bp as noth- ing compared to the greatness that would come from the harmonious co- operation of our public men. He appealed, and he wished it, be it understood, in his personal representative capacity alone, to both sides of the House, to drop to their proper subordinate place, petty politics, and to unite as one man in the adopt- ion of a big, broad, progressive policy, looking to the development of our un- surpassed material resources. All great movements required that the public should be educated up to the standard of appre- ciating them and movements that repre- sented a criKsis in public affairs demanded that a government, no matter what its political complexion, should have a strong support on such questions, and it devolved upon members to educate their constitu- ents on such a subject so that the House and Government supported by the people on such a policy as that suggested would be able to carry big things through. In regard to the policy spoken of he was not the man to outline such a policy, but such a policy was possible when there was an honest union of intention, an honest aim to so broaden our provincial policy so th.it the only goal in view should be the acoori- plishment of the best results. Let suci a policy be decided upon -let It not be th < policy of one party nor the other, let it be the policy of the UNITED REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE, Let it be so broad that no honest citizen of whatever political stripe could not sub- scribe to it with his whole heart. Let it be the policy of the country with the cen- tral idea, that whatever else eomes, the united energies of the people and their representatives shall be devoted to its advancement, with the clear eut under- standing that whatever party interest con- flicts with its enforcement shall go to the wall. Let S'lch a policy be a sacred thin|^ that no pi '\ne hand shall touch. It shall belong to no party, but be the property of the people as the Interests to- promote which It is adopted are the property of the people. Put such a broad provincial policy upon so high a plane that party warfare shall rage as fiercely as It will in lower regions, it must not touch higher issues ofpolicy to which both and all parties are committed. Mr. Stratton said he no practical or even academic out- line of sucn a policy to submit to the House ; he only urged the acceptance of the principle with full confidence that the combined wisdom, the combined patriotism and the combined earnest endeavour of both parties would be able to evolve a policy, which, intelligently applied, would make our past progre8s,great as it has been; that will make our present position, proud as it is, mere suggestions of the possi- bilities which may result. As before re- marked, Mr. Stratton said he spoke only his own mind on these questions, ana though some of the phases of such a policy as he had suggested were embodied m the policy of the present Government, he ap- pealed for a wider and more dependable support than even the best party govern- ment, under generally prevalent condi- tions, could hope to secure and retain. He yvould aim at SOMETHING MORE PERMANENT than the most loyal partlzau— (using the word In Its best sense)— support which ai>y government, no matter what its complex- ion, could command. In this connection Mr. Stratton pointed out that in Great Britain Whig and Tory fought earnestly over domestic politics, out wnen the peace and Interests of the country were threat- ened, when the crisis came, both sides forgot their party politics and stood shoulder to shoulder in defence of the Em- pire. (Applause.) A provincial policy that could command such unanimous suppoit was one in the best interests of the coun- try. We wanted large questions consid- ered on their merits, a condition that had not unfortunately prevailed in the past. The Opposition had not on seme occasions take have Gove prop one mine and P 11 )ther, let it be THE PEOPLE, lonest citizen Bould not sub- heart. Let it with the cen- e eomes, the •le and their ivoted to its ir eut under- r interest con- lall go to the sacred thinj;^ 11 touch. It but be the interests to- ;ed are the such a broad t a plane that fiercely as it it not touch ich both and VIr. Stratton oademic out- bmit to the cceptance of 2nce that the 5d patriotism mdeavour of to evolve a plied, would IS it has been: sition, proud )f the possi- s before re- 1 spoke only Jstions, and 3uch a policy todied m the lent, he ap- dependable .rty govern- ilent condi- retain. He L.NENT -(using the ; which any s complex- connection ; in Great b earnestly n the peace ere threat- botli sides tnd stood of the Em- policy that 18 suppoit the eoun- ns consid- that had the past, i occasions [taken such broad views as they might : have taken. The Engledue phase of ths Government's policy was a great and proper step in the direction of developing one of our m»st important resources, the mineral. Yet the leader of the Opposition and his friends bad not accorded that support which, having regard to the great issues at stake, they might have done with perfect consistency as regards their posi- tion in the HoUse. The main question was largely lost sight of. Anything but a patriotic attitude was taken by the Oppo- sition upon the Boundary Award matter, which involved the possession of millions of aeres of land, which would, with the adoption of a big policy of development, yield in the future millions of revenue. (Hear, hear.) Strong opposition was given the project of the Wabigoon pioneer farm, which results had very amply justified. The opposition objected to the appoint- ment of a Clerk of Forestry, an oflftce asso- ciated with our most important interest. Opposition was also given the appoint- ment of a Road Commissioner, whose ser- vices and the results flowing from them would save millions to the country. (Hear, hoar.) These were all projects looking to the development of the country, and upon which there should have been no two opinions except as to matters of mere detail, and the policy for which appeal had been made should involve matters of common agreement looking to the opening up of our country. At the root of all trade development lay the question of trans- portation. No other subject was at pres- ent receiving so wide and earnest atten- tion, and deservedly so. Access to our immense undeveloped resources was the first condition of rendering latent wealth A LIVE COMMERCIAL FACTOR. This, of course, meant new population, which involved in turn demands upon the industrial resources of the older portions of the province, and thus the circle was completed. This transport- ation problem, apart from the question of moving our Nortliwest crops, is a tremend- ous one. This province was geographically so situated as to receive the greatest amount of benefit from the improvement of transportation facilities represented by the deepening of our canals, and the con- struction of such works, as the Parry Sound Railway, the proposed Ottawa and Georgian Bay Canal, the Trent Waterway, theproposed short lineconnectingGeorgian Bay and Lake Ontario, etc. Though these were mattern of Dominion responsibility, they were matters of the deepest concern to this province. In passing, Mr. Stratton paid a tribute to the government of Sir John Macdonild for the construction of that great trftns-contlnentftUraflic Unk the Canadian Pacific Railway, though the details involved were ground for differ- ence of opinion, and he went on to add a word of warm praise of Hon. J. Israel Tarte, Dominion Ministerof Public Works, who was doing more than any one past or present for the improvemnt of the great transportation facilities of the country. (applause.)And the transportation question- needed every attention,e8pecially when we remembered that Ontario was paying yearly in ocean freights over one- and a half millions of dollars more than her American competitors, by wny of Boston and New York, on the same extent and character of products. This province has- inexhaustible stores of wealth distributed in profusion over wide areas and of the most varied kind. Upon the development of these depended the prosperity of the older sections, and development depended in the first place upon facilities of ingress and egress. Facility of transportation was the touchstone of tne highest commercial civilization, and in this view the extension of railways became the most important feature of a big provincial, non-partizan policv. We must tap the heart of the resources of our outlying districts, if we would get the benefit. Our wild lands— those which are arable — should be peopled with settlers, and with railways and other communication turnished, the problem of development would be greatly simplified. Capital would see its way clear to engage in the development of our great resources in farming lands, timber and minerals. Of these resources, there was practically no end. Beyond the Height of land there was a vast unknown land— but unknown only in detail. There was, according to the report of Mr, Niven, land surveyor, on the slope of Hudson Bay, a belt of land 120 miles deep, RICH AGRICULTURAL LAND that doubtless extends across Ontario and Quebec to Manitoba. If this were opened and peopled the result upon the industrial interests of older Ontario would be incal- culable. Then there was in addition the wide and fertile Temiscamingue and Rainy River districts. If these great areas were thrown open to settlement by means of railway communication they would become tributary to older Ontario and would demand her industrial products to the great improvement of every line of commercial activity. We were told that our timber was fast disappearing, bui that was beyond the fact. Tnough in the past this policy has been properly pursued of disposing of our timber on a revenue pro ducing basis, rather than allow it to be destroyed by fire or natural decay, Mr, r i S ■ \ 1 1 1 12 Stratton was sure that taking our whole timber area, with what has been cut for commercial purposes, there was at present as ^reat a value if not bulk of timber ex- istiuK as there was when cutting first began. The natural growth of timber over millions and millions of acres could com- pensate for an immense amount of dimi- nuti n by actual cutting. It has also been said that we were sell- ing our timber as though it was grown for another purpose than to be cut and used in some way. It would surely be the height of folly to let it stand and decay or burn up. It is wiser to sell the more valuable timber to be removed bv the lumberman and tuus assist the farmer in clearing his land for general agriculture. This has been the policy, and large tracts of land have been opened up for settle- ment, possibly some areas have been settled upon that had better been left in timber, but in the main the method of dis- Eosing of the pine timber in this province ad not only produced a very large revenue year by year, but had been of immense benefit to the hardy pioneers, who have carved farms and homes out of the forest. And our timber is by no means gone. There are still immense quantities of white pine to be cut, and we have one of the MOST EXTENSIVli SPRUCE FORESTS in the world. In the Temiscamingue country, around Lake Wahnipatae and and Lake Nepigon, and farther west lie large tracts of pine still unsold, while over the height of land will be found a great deal more, besides the great quantities under license, still uncut upon which dues are still to be collected. Of the 147 millions of acres comprising the province only about 23 million acres are sufficiently settled to have some form of municipal government, and though a large portion of our posses- sions lie in an unkindly latitude, it was probable that there was a very small area that did not contain in paying quantities, under favourable conditions, important deposits of mineral or other wealth. It had been the practice to regard our white pine as our only valuable timber for general commercial purposes, and in the early his- tory of our country the mistaken senti- ment existed to regard timber as a natur- al enemy of the settler, to be destroyed ruthlessly by fire. But it seemed to the speaker that our timber resources were capable of utilization to an extent that cannot be appreciated without exhaustive investigation into their extent. In the process in years past of clearing the now cultivated acres, there had, it is safe to say, been enough fuel wasted by Ire to olear the soil of it, to make charcoal to smelt the iron for the construction i f the war navies of the world. In the earl ' his- tory of this country the exports of ashes (potash) derived from the destruction of our original forests, were fifty per cent, greater than the exports of wheat. In the ten years from 1832 to 1842 ashes to the value of nearly six millions of dollars were exported to England. What an incalcul- able waste of wood that represented ! If, instead of being burned to ashes, the wood that cumbered the land had been convert- ed into charcoal what smelting operations would have been possible I In this idea seemed to be the germ of a new policy to apply to our hardwood timber to be re- moved from our arable lands. If it were made a condition of settlement that all wood removed in clearing land, not other- wise profitably disposed of, were to be con- verted into charcoal, and if transportation facilities were extended, the hardwood that now goes to waste absolutely, would not only be a source of revenue to the set- tlers, but would assist in solving one aspect of the mining problem. We not only want to preserve and increase our forest growth but TO MAKE THE BEST USE of that which it seems wise policy to con- vert to commercial purposes. Our timber is our great national heritage, and there is hardly a tree that grows but can be con- verted to some commeicial use. Though our present crop of white pine should be cut away, that does not exhaust our tim- ber resources. The recuperative powers of nature are tremendous. Pine will grow again, and is growing throughout the pro- vince where the ground is not cultivated. Large areas unfitted for farming, from which the original crop has been removed, and on which a new crop of pine is now growing, have been, and are now being, set aside under the Forest Reserves Act, and with fair management long before the old crop is gone from the province, a new one on these reserves will be ready for the axe ; and it will be very valuable. At present our most productive asset was in the matter of timber — white pine— and while the circumstances mentioned have caused a diminished provincial income from this source, there are other timbers. The Government wisely foresaw the com- ing importance of spruce, for since 1892 it has been reserved by the Crown. We should lay our plans to make a rich harvest of our spruce areas. Spruce is gaining in demand by leaps and bounds, and beJfore ten years Ontario will probably have a corner on spruce on this continent, and we should lay the ropes to give Ontario every cent of profit from the exploitation of our spruce areas, from the stump to the news- paper. (Hear, hear.) It would be wise, it seems, to insist that all manufacturing operations in the conversion of spruce from the wood into the paper web should 13 (orts of ashes destruction of ifty per cent, vheat. In the ashes to the )f dollars were b an incalcul- resented ! If, hes, the wood been convert- ng operations In this idea new policy to ber to be re- ). If it were iient that all id, not other- ^ere to be con- ransportation he hardwood )lutely, would le to the set- ing one aspect not only want forest growth USB policy to con- Our timber , and there is b can be con- ise. Though ne should be LUst our tim- iive powers of Qe will grow hout the pro- ot cultivated, rming, from een removed, pine is now now being, leserves Act, 3g before the >vince, a new ready for the ible. ive asset was ;e pine— and tioned have icial income her timbers, aw thecom- since 1892 it Jrown. We rich harvest s gaining in I, and before ably have a lent, and we ntario every ation of our to the news- d be wise, it nufacturing of spruce web should be performed in Ontario by Ontario work- ingmen and operatives. (Applause.) The ^eat paper making material of the future, in fact of to-day, is wood. Of all the woods for this purpose SPRUCE IS HY FAR THP: IJEST, and Canadian spruce, because of its pecu- liar fibre, is more valuable than that of any other country. Immense establish- ments for the manufacture of wood pulp, very properly encouraged bv the Gov- ernment, have recently been established at Sault Ste. Marie and Sturgeon Falls, using large capital and employing many men. Yet, their product, large as it will be, is a drop in the bucket to what is year- ly imported into Great Britain alone. In 1897 Great Britain imported 38;i,;304 tons of wood pulp valued at $9,700,000. Of this amount Canada sent her only 28,873 tons, of the value of about $700,000. Norway sent the larger quantity, but as the better quality of our pulp is likely to make up for the extra freight charge there is no reason why we cannot supply the bulk of the British market in wood pulp as we now do in cheese. Aside from the British market we hold the key of the situation, 30 far as this continent is concerned. The consumption of spruce for wood pulp in the Vnited States is enormous, and it will be only a few years before they will have to come to us for pulp to supply their paper mills, but we should arrange that thev come in vain. We should decide to sell them our paper, but not one stick of spruce, not one pound of pulp. (Applause.) We have motive power going to waste all over the country. We can and must manufac- ture everything A^e can, must get as far as possible beyond the raw material. The same methods of wholesale cuttmg that characterized American lumbermen are employed by the pulp men, and in a very few years their spruce timber will be gone, with no provision made for a new crop. The near approach of the extinction of the timber and pulp supplies in the United States, and Canada s independence of them, has at last begun to dawn upon our cousins over the border, and if the Joint High Commission, now about closing its labours in Washington, fails to make a reciprocity treaty it will have at least served the useful purpose of convincing our kinsmen that we can get along very well without them if we choose to do so. In this conneotion tbp spenkf r pointed oat that the American lumbermen who did not want Outario logs had ▲ LAROER AND STRONflER " PULL " «rith the Senate than the few American lumbermen who had been Retting our lofrs for their mills on contlRuous shores and in oonsequenoe of the resulting ob- struction to trade we must look to see our trade diverted to other channel?. The speaker hoped to see it diverted. We bad learned by experience that there is a mar- ket in Eogland for almost everything we have. It was a little more trouble to get to that market, but once there it was better than the American. If the Americans wished to play the hog or shut us out, we must meet them in the world's market and beat them in other things as we had done In cheese, (applause.) It must be admitted that building up this trade would take time, and in the meantime our rerenues might suffer. But before the House as- sembled again it was possible that we should be able to load 14 foot vessels and run them to England without breaking bulk. Of course in the carrying of grain a 14 foot vessel could not compete with a 25 or 30 foot vessel, but it is yet to be known that lumber cannot be crrried more cheap- ly In a 14 foot sailing vessel— with a crew of four or five. The opening of our canals to 14 feet promised to help the lumber trade considerably and combined with other thinga demonstrated that we can get along without our American cousins. They might " out" us now, but they might be made to pay dearly for renewing the acquaintance. The Americans had an- tiquated notions of Canadians derived from 50-year-old school books and till they learn to know us better by a little bitter trade experience It would be best for us to establish ourselves in a better market. (Applause.) Another great Interest that should be a prominent feature of the great policy suggested was our mineral interest. Ot course ocular demonstration of the extent and value of our mineral deposits was not as easily available as in the case of our timber areas, but there was no doubt that if the full truth wi>re known the minerals of the Province of Ontario are as great, it they are not a greater, natural asset than our timber resources. Nature performs no purposeless work and the great stretches ot inhospitable rock, plentifully distributed, are the safe deposit vaults of untold mineral wealth. We only want the key to unlock them— only need the com> binatlon to make them available for our purposes and the purposes ot the world. In a general way the KEY TO OUR MINERAL DEPOSITS is a golden one— capital. In regard to the development of our mineral resources progress is gradual, owing to the lack ot capital, and until mining properties are opened up so as to allow ot large bodies ot ore being mined cheaply the volume ot production must naturally be limited. But advancement is steadily being made and results are full of encouragement. Gold u I II areas are enlarging and during last year a number of properties in Ontario were proven to be valuable. lb appeared to be the case that most of the ore was low S'ade i yet it was all— except in one region, astings county— free milling, and was capable of being worked at a good profit if right methods were adopted. The best paying gold mines in the United States were those of the Homestake group in South Dakota, where the yield was not more than $4 per ton. Its supplies of water were drawn from a distance of 11 iniles and wood fuel costs ^8 per cord. Yet the Homestake paid last year $636,000 in dividends, and in the last twenty years it had paid over $7 000,000. Five or six years igo its dividends did not exceed 9150.000 a year, but as the result of new and economic methods of treating the orrs the dividends advanced to $256,000 in 1894, to 1344,000 in 189&, to 9375.000 in each of the next two years, and $636,000 last year as already stated. la Ontario our mining men were largely without experience, and If it is the case that our ores were low grade it was very important that the best methods should be introduced to mine and mill them so that the gold may be won at the lowest possible cost. To the speaker's mind, we should haye a policy, generally accepted, that it is the duty of the government of the day, to procure this information, so that every miner and mill owner should have the advantage of it. The result would doubtless be that RICH RETURNS WOULD ACCRUE to the country, far outweighing the neces- sary expense involved in procuring the in- formation referred to. We were all inter- ested in the mineral develrpment of our province, and no better service to enter- prise could be rendered by any government than to show how capital may win the largest possible earnings. It was evident also that one way to the speedy settlement of our northern districts was to build up a successful and profitable mining industry. There was no other branch of the business 80 fall of attractions as gold mining. We can't get too much gold— there is no fear of overproduction, and every ounce of it that is won can be sold witibout the help of a commercial trayeller or a middleman. By making gold mining profitable by proper methods we had all the natural conditions— we make gold mining popular and population follows, creating demand tor agricultural produce, which means the settleasent of our agricultural areao, which in turn become centres of consumption of the industrial products of older settled por- tions. There has never been a time, it la said oa good authority tsince the nickel and ccpper mioM of Onlarlo have bean opened ap ttwt they have been so busy or prosperous as now. One company in the Sudbury Re* gion employ about WO men and Has a year- ly pay roll of more than 9300,000. The great superiority of the American battle- ships as shown in the war with Spain last year, has demonstrated to the world the value of nickel steel in the manufncture of armor plate, and to this,perhap8 mare than to any other cause is due the present activ- ity in our nickel mines. But copper ores have also largely increased in value owing to the enlarged use of copper as a transmitter of |eleotrioIty, and we are only beginning to see the uses to which electric energy may be put as an efficient agency in the development of in- dustries. It therefore needs little foresight to PREDICT A. •RE4T FUTURE for our nickel and copper mines of the Sud- bury country, where both metals are found contained in the same ores. If, however, a practical method can be found tor saving the iron as well as the nickel and copper in those Sudbury ores there can be no doubt whatever ihat a great future awaits us in the works to be underraken, especial- ly with the invaluable resources we pos- sess in our water powers. It is claimed that the secret of so treating the Sudbury ores as to save the three metals has already been discovered, and if this is the cane we may look for great developments. In re- gard to iron Mr. Stratton said that, to his mind, It was a mistake to attribute the great prosperity of the American iron trade to protection. It was rather due to the presence of vast quantities of Iron ore In the Lake Superior country, which was water-borne at nominal cost bo m«>et the coal of Pennsylvania, Ohio and Illinois. We had as good ore as our neighbors, ex« aotly, it ifl said, the kind that E igiand wants. With 14 foot canals we miotic ex- port our richer ores and perhaps be able to make re-haudling at Montreal pay. Once in the British market it would be a mere question of perfecting our methods of min- ing and handling. The flourishing smelting works at Deseronto and Hamilton use per- haps nine-tenths of American ore. Capital had not yet taken a fancy to our iron ore and there were questions of transportation and Incidental oonvenlencies that affected the development of our iron deposits. Cor- sundum was another mineral which recent exploration shows that we posavst in great abundance. In Peterborough county as well as in the adjaoant oountlps of Hallburton and Hastings and In Renfrew there was an area of several hundred square miles of corundum-bearing lands. The nie of corundum as an abrasive, inde- speneable In the metal working artB,lB well koowD, for next to Che dianond It is the bar tail flft be I vp' 88 pos but in pro 8kil m prosperous ai e Sudbury Re- and hAs a year- 9300.060. The mertcan battle- with Spain last the world the manafHctureof baps more than e ptesenb aotly- ^t oopper ores eei in value ^ed use of of leleotrioity, to see the uses ij be put as an lopmebt of in- i little foresight PUT0RE ines of the Sud- tetals are found . If, however, 9und tor Having [el and oopper Here can be no t future awaits raken, especial- )urae8 we pos- it is claimed ig the Sudbury bals has already is the cane we ments. la re- lid that, to bis attribute the loan iron trade ler due to the of Iron ore In 7, which was t to meet the I and Illinois, neighbors, ez« that E taland we mi»,;* ,lMu 16 tbe main conslderatioD, so that no matter what tbe political oomplezion of the Gov- ernment of the hoar, icp face shall be eet resolutely to the goal of a strong provincial policy, confident that In following the way agreed upon, it may count upon the solid support of every member of this Houst. Surely there were some great issues we could strive together for, surely there was common ground which men of both parties could stand upon in the promotion of the common good, (Continued applause.) After concluding his speech Mr.Stratton said he wished to refer to a paragraph In the Mail and Empire of that morning. He did not complain of newspaper orit!- olsm, but be hardly thought the Mall and Empire was fair in stating that he had evaded a rpplv to Col. Matnieson's oharate that the $60 000 teoeived by the Govek-'L- ment and credited in the receipts was sub- sidy and not interest. He did not wish the honourable gentleman or the country to think that he had shirked the question and he would like to aek Mr. Matbleson then to repeat the question. Col. Mathleson— I said yesterday that the $60 000 waa a loan and not interest. Mr, Stratton— Well, yesterday my honourable friend said subsidy, but we will accept his statement tbnb be said it was a loan. Tbe House will remember that I stated positively that it was Interest. However, to prove that the $60,000 was not a loan, that it was not a subsidv, but ^ an actual payment of interest, I will '^ read the following letter, dated July, 1898 : " PiR,— I have the honour to enclose herewith check No, 7,964 in your favour on the Bank of Montreal, Ottawa, for 160,000, being a payment OQ account of intere at doe your proyince. (Ap- plause.) This approximate amount i!< arrived at as fallows: Interenton truat funds for two years to June 3i)lh, 1898, $335,212.96, leas amount already paid, S110,000, and leaa Intereat on ap- proximate debt ; balance $1,700,000, at i per cent, for two years" (Cheers.) Mr. Stratton— So my hon. friend will see that the statement I made that the f 142,- 000 that we considered in the receipts as Interest was tbe interest on the |2,848.000, and that this $60,000 was Interest, as I said to himself yesterday. Mr, Whitney— Who signs the letter ? Mr. Stratton— W. Fitzgerald, Assistant Deputy Finance Minister. Z Col. Matheson held that Mr. Fitzgerald's statement was extraordinary, as the rate of Interest mentioned was not the rate de- cided upon by the trust funds award. Mr. Whitney— The writer acted under orderp. Mr. Stratton— He is a Conservative ap- pointee, and carrying out laws passed by the Conservative Government. (Applause.) Col. Matheson Is " In the hole " and he bad better admit it gracefully. (Laughter.) WMl 'W^^n: -r^-^i/ m Mi^ m miim ; >■ ■ ^ rf i. i mtm^KMUmmi'lfm'f^ •MiMMMMNMiUilMMtMW^ it was Interest. the 960,000 was >t a subsidv, but f Interest, I will dated July, 1898 : bo enolose herewith ur on the Bank of ), being a p*yment Jur proTinoe. (Ap- Etmount is arrived U8t fands for two ,212,96, less amount JBB interest on ap- fl.roo.OOO. at i per rs.) o. friend will see a that the 9142,- the reoefpts as )n the 12,848.000. 8 interest, as I 18 the letter ? erald. Assistant Mr. Fitzgerald's iry, as the rate not the rate de- ads award, er acted under onservative ap« laws passed by ent. (Applause.) >o)e " and he bad (Laughter.) J