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' ># f , " i i^: W *«^^", .A: mMilmM* 'Mii. ,^..m*:VV^^ii HI Mr. How< bas already and I am : seems bat fi the hon. mei dress the He thiit they mi other, i wo of the suppo nent have b uentary to i return m member i aid all the 1 iy upon the lot have goi etters. Nol f he intende ; have me .-ooncurred hem when t ut him. Mr. Wade lie member oareAilly a ction of the 108 been ref< inctly infori otioQ propo lember for ■> ito this debi im. Hon. Mr. 1 >igby need e By body int DOW is, whe ig at which ua Condon 1 should be er seems to : roteslMit g Uiance, and td without < i me ask hi ght to pnbli •to that the leir Synodic my to Protei wroise and ( xt dees he ^ ospel for d( »•— for fol hose daring ■v' SPEECH DSLIVERED BY THE HONORABLE JOSEPH HOWE. HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY. Maroh 81, 1858. Mr. How« said— This debate, Mr. Speaker, bas already oooapied a great deal of time, ftnd I am not desirous to protract it. It eeems but ta\r, »8 the Attorney General and the hon. member for Inyemess have yet to ad- dress the House, that I should precwie them, that they may have point blank range at each other. 1 would not speak at all, but as many of the supporters and members of the govern- ment have been highly attentive and compli- mentary to me, it would be discourteous not to return my acknowledgements. The learn- id member for Digby, in bis speech to-day, aid all the blame of his political inconsisten- !y upon the member for Windsor. He would lot have gone over to the enemy but for my etters. Nobody complains of his going, but f he intended to go, in my opinion, he should tot have met in caucus with his old friends -concurred in their acts — fuid only deserted hem when there was a hostile m^iority with- out him. Mr. Wade — ^I deny it. (Cries of order.) lie member for Windsor must recollect that oareftilly avoided all refereiice to the secret ction of the party, but now that the subject AS been referred to, I may state that I dis- inctly informed them that if they took the ction proposed I must leave them. If the lember for Windsor dares to drag my name ito this debate, I will be prepared to meet lim. Hon. Mr. Howe. — ^The learned member for Hgby need not threaten me. I dare drag Dy body into this debate. What I wish to now is, whether he was present at the meet- ig at which it was determined, that if Wil- Condon did not tender his resignation, e should be dismissed ? The learn«i mem- er seems to regret deeply the conduct of tbo iroteetMit gentlemen who have formed an Uianoe, and who he and others have drag- id without ceremony into this dobate. But t me ask him, if they have not the same ght to publish a religious or political mani* •to that the Catholic Prelates had to issue leir Synodical letter in July last? Would he my to Protestants the rights which Catholics nreise and enjoj T If not, upon what pr*- xt does he ventiipe to assail Ministera of the il for doing what the laws allow to be e— for fdlowing the example of those, daring denanoiations of all that Pro- testants hold sacred, he has not mustered courage to impugn 7 There was not much else in the member for Digby 's speech, so I pass on to the more ela- borate production of the learned Solicitor General. I listened to that gentleman, as I always do, with infinite pleasure. When he rises we are sure of amusement if not of instruction. He is humorous if not logical ; and, when compared with some of his col- leagues, his eloquence has the smack and flavor of old wine, while theirs too often re- sembles the rumblings of a beer-barrel or the acidulous droppings of a vinegar-cask. Though the weight of his indignation fell upon the firm of Young & Co., there was something irresistably comic in his descrip- tion of the new firm. In that sketch the man overcame the politician, as it was ap> parent that he would rather peril his ofiiM than spoil his joke. It appeared to me, sir. that the learned So- licitor General did not touch some topics in* troduced into his speech with the seriousncsi they deserved. I could not believe him in earnest when be described Responsible Gov- ernment as a system fraught with tyranny and injustice. If I thought he was, I would turn him to our mother country, whose his- tory, until the introduction of Responsible Government, is marked, from age to age, and from reign to reign, with anarchy and blood- shed, until the simple expedient was adopted of routing a bad administration by a resolu- tion instead of by the sword. Since that pe- riod England, Ireland and Scotland, have pre- sented a marked contrast to the nations of continental Europe, in which there are no se- curities for human freedom, in which consti- tutions are made and unmade with marvel- lous rapidity, and in which struggles for li- berty always end in the establishment of des- potic power. In the neighbouring Republics Responsible Government has been established under other forms, but, though the mode be diffisrent, they preserve, through the ballot bos, the spirit of the British constitution. Let the Solicitor Genei-al take these great countries, England and the United States, descended frem the same stock — speaking the same language, governed by the same phn- oiples of action, whose power extends over a large portion of the globe, an(' where, on the face of the earth, wiU he find any othMn with which they om b« oompactd? Ib both he will find praotiosl frtedom in the irideit lenN of Uie phrMe—laws fkithfiiUy ftdminiBtered — \ life and property secure, ^hese are the firoits of ileBponsible Government, and be knows that irnere it exists not they are not to be found. The Solioitor General gave us many quota~ tions firom Scripture, not exactly in the spirit of a divine, for he touched with an in-everent hand things sacred as *7ell lus things profane. He made the sermon on the Mount to sound very like the sermon of a mountebank. (Laughter.) He referred to the period vhen Herod and Pilate shook hands. The passage might have been made more signifio oant. That union was brought about to please the pnests of those days, as anotaer alliance was formed by certain gentlemen op> posite last winter. In both cases a victim was required. I will not point to the inno- cent whose destruction was meditnted when the Attorney General and the member for Halifax jo' ned hands last session, but this is quite apparent that the Priests were also to be conciliated and gratified by that union. (Laughter.) He tells us that Christians, when smitten on one cheek should turn the other. ' But I am under the impression that the Protestants of Nova Scotia have l)een smitten on both cheeks, and I believe there is a point where forbearance ceases to be a vir> tue. Are Protestants forever to put up with indignity and insult 7 Are they to be held up to contempt and ridicule by Crown officers — to be branded with infamous crimes by Provincial Secretaries — to see the Scriptures they reverence scofied at and denounced by Catholic Priests, and yet are theyto bedtaira the right to organize for self protection — for the defence of the principles they are bound to cherish and regard? Let me give a few il- lustrations. The Reverend Mr. Rand is an educated, pious, Baptist Minister. How of- ten has he been styled Roderick Random — scoffed at and denounced because he dared without permission from the Pope, to study the Micmoc language, and perform the duty of a Missionary among the Indians. I hold in my hand a Catholic publication in which tlie Reverend Mr. Uniacke is described as " the unicorn of the Round Church" — " the brawling Parson of the Round Church"— •' the bellowing bull of Bashan, from Dutch Town." And in which the Rev. Mr. Martin is called ''a wretch," "the hoary criminal of the Guardian,' "an old sheep whistling rogue and ram tender," " a deformed beast of grace." Mr. Johnston. — From what paper does the hon. gentleman quote T What date. Mr. Marshall.— Is it the Christian Mes- senger? Mr. How0 continued. Let the gentlemen opposite keep their powder dry. They will find ont by and bye that Protestants know how to defend themselves alike flrom open enemies and insidious Mends. I will lay the extracts on the table that gentlemen may study them at thehr leisor* nM r«li|{ious oontrovcregr whieh raged here jnn ftfo did set iatwMl nt mnoli, beoanse, attbatlloM, IdidBotbellttethak any por- tio»ofoarp«opttw«rtto b« dlstmited, or w«r« diipoNd M (Ak« unwarrantable libertiw, or to M«ar« to tb«mii«lifM, by combination, adf antABM R9t oommon to the whole. I never dreamedtliAt, wb«o ettr mother country was involved ia war with § foreign power, any parties ia tbii eoualry would sympathiae withf our enemiei— r«Joioi in their successes— or| oorrevpond aad «o-9p«rtt# with their abettonl in tln)« of Wftf. ^«ar in mind that all this! was doni l)«fort »ny Protestant Alliance wa formed. It txeltsd aitonlshment and disgust,! but WAi iu«( by DO orgnnlxatloo. We we also enjoi both youi the poisoi bookt ana circulatii country.* Now, ft published we hold SI untrue- 1 to break upon whU after, all \ rest, can that Protc snritten oa that oh«fk, but soon the blowd n^II-ls*"" oawe in ABOtb«r direction. An armed moli took BOueiitoB of our publlo works, commit ted airoelouH mttragM on a body of unoffend tog ProteMAMti, tb«y were protected by i Catbolifl eoffiMuAtioti, sarried by perjury an( intimldatioa through the courts, and then th boast that all tbiit wiis done In the name o religioB Wfti buried In our faces ao a warninj tor tbo futuro. All this was done, and ye no Protcstttni AtllAuee wns formed. We ha( been smlttifn ou both cheeks before Protestan elergymett And layfuen oomblned for self-de fenoo. All tbii, and more—the Oovcrnmeu WAN overturnid bseausb some of us veuturec to deuounoo tK«Me itigults and outrages, an( to dlnobarge, m pulltioians, our public dutic with splrl* and iitdttpeiidence. Still the Pro testant ottrgy ffiovcl not. They were per baps RtorbUlly mniiitive, lest their motive might bi Bjliinterpreted. The election passe over and tii§y moff^ not. At length can that orowalag oiUraae Atid indecency, what in midsummer lait, a body of Catholic Prelat assembled la th« heart of this Protestai ProviNee«-4enoufleed the scriptures, an burled deHaaoe at the epiritual guides of tl great m^m of tb# people. Let me quote pas«i)ge or two from tn(4r Synodical lettei fur tho ediflOAtloH of the Solicitor General. •♦ Tkny mutt bi prtterved from the . thi and the robb»r, uud the ravening wolvet htr$»y and immerolity, which threaten the on evfry tiilg, ** Mvery yoml Vuthotle mutt beprepared any $nertfii'^ to rmti the impious attempt forct upon hi» ehitilrtn book* that are da geroui to thtir faitkor morale. — JVottoepet of many other ohjeftionatde books which ha been purehutfd out »f the public funds t distribution umonyit Catholic children, PO NOT eONMPlin ¥lt« KHULISU BIBLK, ichc innumtrublartorihttvebeen admitted by t most learmd Prottttantt thumselves, to THK W0li» or mm, tVe do not regard t tinylinh Protittant vernion as a true, or e tire copy of Iht Mible, for not only is there studied eoff option of ttxts, but many of i Maered Book» art pronounced apocrypht or omitted attogtthtr, We do not consic U a prontr book for Catholic Youth, stamp |,g tended i *'.*/i'.7 '** reprobution of the Church, the lion an( " With our Hidted voiee and authority 11,^^ g^^ not only giv« yoa this solemn warning as i Protestants gardf th dangtr of misted schools, bat Eduoationa should be from insttl given expi ments put give expr which I u( sliall move fVherea basis upoi tion can sa Resolvet vince shall funds, Dnti that the H< Testamentt The hon Protestants I cannot a of Protestai secured to the nations now. Pro! combine as United Stai British Pro aggressive (>.^«ased oui In Upper C political op bine, to pr< and to rebv sailed. At Conservatii phant majo the influenc assailed, speeches de Hastings to A few extra cation givei oombinatioi Wallbridge, ♦• When 1 nent, there with it as a ncation. f mon Schoo Every deno everything maoli,b«oaiiw, that any por- dittnuted, or rotable lib«rtiw, J combination, whole. I never ler country was go power* any iiympatbiie with ir BuooeBsea— or Ith their abetton Ind that all thia krit Alliance wai i«nt and disguat ,tion. We were also enjoin upon yon the duty of gnarding both yourselves and your little ones against the poisonous drug of infidel and immoral hooks and nswspaperMt which are in daily circulation even in the remote parte of the country." Now, Mr. Speaker, when this letter was published, this defiance given,'when all that we hold sacred was treated us reprobate and untrue — when this open attempt was made to break down the authority ot that volume upon which all our hopes «f happiness here- after, all our religious illierties in this world, rest, can the Solicitor General be surprised that Protestants every where should Bee the soon the blowi necessity of organization ; that those Prelates An armed rooD ghonld be rebuked and the country protected works, commit-l ft.(,m insult hereafter. . These Clergymen have given expression to their feelings iu the docu- ments put forth by the Alliance. I desire to *^^'-P^?"J'*ul K''® expression to mine iu the Resolution "" '*"■ ~ * which I now lay on the table, and which I shall move at a future day. Whereas, Christianity is ^iiO only true basis upon which a sound system of educa- tion can safely repose. Resolved, That no school within this Pro- vince shall be entitled to aid from the public funds, until it shall have been made to appear that the Holy Scriptures, of the Old and New Testaments, are daily read therein. The hon. Solicitor General tell us, that Protestants, by combining, never did any good. I cannot agree with him. By combinations of Protestants civil and religious liberty was 'he election passe secured to Britain— to Holland, and to all At length cam the nations upon the Continent that enjoy it iudecenoy, wh«i| Qoir, Protestants have been compelled to combine as they are combining here, in the United States, in Canada, and in all the British Provinces which surround us. The aggressive spirit of Catholicity which has K.-oused our people, is everywhere the same. In Upper Canada Protestants of all shades of political opinion have been compelled to com- bine, to protect their Common School System, and to rebuke the Priests by whom it was as- sailed. At the late election Liberals and Conservatives heartily coalesced, aniJ a trium- phant majority has been returned hostile to the influences by which their interests were assailed. I hold in my hand a report of the speeches delivered at the great banquet in Hastings to celebrate the triumph achieved. A few extracts will suffice to show the provo- cation given and the reasons there are for >ody of unoffend protected by irts, and then th in the name o aces HO a warninf I done, and ye Formed. We ha< before Protestan blued for self-de -the Qovernmeu le of us venture< id outrages, an( our public dutic se. Still the Pro They were per lest their motive f Catholic Prelat this Protestan scriptures, an taal guides of tb Let me quote Synodical lette loitar Qeneral from the.thi vtning wolves ich threaten the ust be prepared mpious attempt ghs that are da ala.—JVottospei e books which ha public funds lolic children, iiiSH BiBLK, who oombination and resistance, iu Canada. Mr. / ten tdviitted by i themselves, to lo not regard n as a trve, or not only is there , but many of Wallbridge, says: — *' When we introduced Responsible Govern- ment, therefore, we had to introduce along with it as a necessary adjunct. National Ed- ucation. For some years the system of Com- mon Schools prospered in o-so long as Governments are thrown down that Catholios may show their power or gratify their re- venge, so long will this Alliance endure When the necessities in which it originated have passed away, if they ever do, it may pass away also. But the learned gentleman may be assured that this " moostroos" oo»* binatioD^as he was piieaied to oall it, will Uk- dure ant gentlema let me r home, ha selves, h the Jews But, I Protestai tio.4. Wi deeply ii Province, no famili( dabbling be? Are . see treo* heads bro going un| and Tnsiil hold theii their flocli and form The Pr< many cod at my hai one respec ever hear mentioned fereooes t clergymen ber. Thei parison in gentlemen character i malignity ; unrivalled likely so to that it will He told u up for a ye last, the b nothing to mate of tl quence. A by the expl a good man it, but no o the learned noise and ti portion to tl formed the ; the Press, i 8pare#lieitb tures to put upon the tal attacti's, ten one that he icotian. In the impressa time, a modi tioal refinen But, sir, t good deal fai a defaulter, ; sundry othe tary. I feai indecorum. on the install was appropri t was not p& ittle time uf opoNdto n atroduM the Itooli. irtbii it mMOt no- nothiog WHt Ornn oftb* tolu ui ia its d«oo0 that It rdtrthat the « uIm '*.« UD- bt av litd.** by ••iroubl*** « Ootenineat n of the Hler- i tlieOovera- r tliediipofltkl % m$,y (bat b/ orouali Catho- Ki. W« sbali am«Dt will not 30utluu«d and he goTcrnment eeiug thattbe and a large put not tbelr in their deter* Mil. It is more isent, at least, tter. Theene- ! attacked bold- iff general, be Whether this )• to be seen, p a ery against Oovornment of lauB of a School can be sowed 11 support the def«Ating the their bill, that )8e details are I know, and, it »k conieming roteetants and misled by. the of thi! Hierar- ion from the shool question. Catholics tne or Separate the Aggressive ic Priests Ml and is creating stivity and or* eneral fancite perhaps not. Ho long as the hAnty is ram- our sovereign ed -«eo long as that Catholios jtify their re- liance endure it originated ^r do, it may aed gentleman ostrooi" ooB»* call it, will ea- dure aatil its work is done. As the learned Gntleman seems fond of Hebrew illustrations, ; me remind him that the Catholios, at home, having secured emancipation for them- selves, have recently combined to deny it to the Jews. But, the Solicitor General tells us that Protestant clergymen should keep out of poli- t\e». Why? are they less intelligent, or less deeply interested in the prosperity of the Provinee, than Catholic Priests, Who have BO families, no sooinl ties, and yet are ever dabbling in politics wherever they happen to be T Are Protestant ministers to stand by and see treason preached — education perilled — heads broken — graves violated, and criminals going unpunished T Are tliey to bear scoffing and insult — to see their Bible denounced, and bold their handfi, while Catholic Priests lead their flocks up to the hustings and overturn and form Governments as they please? The Provincial Secretary paid me a good many compliments, and deserves some notice at my bands. His speech was certainly, in one respect, the mo8t extraordinary that I ever heard delivered in this Assembly. He mentioned the names of, or made pointed re- ferences to, 48 individuals, eight or ten clergymen and myself being among the num- ber. There may have been degrees of com- parison in our demerits, but I appeal to the gentlemen who heard him. if he left a rag of character to one of the 43 7 For sourrillity, malignity and defamation — bis speech stands unrivalled by any others lever heard, and is likely so to stand, for it is not at all probable that it will become a model for imitation. He told us that his mouth had been " 'saled up for a year ;" but really when opened at last, the breaking of the seventh seal was nothing to it, if we are to take his own esti- mate of the destructive power of his elo- quence. A good deal of noise may bo made by the explosion of a bottle of gingc-beer ; a good many dresses are sometimes soiled by it, but no other harm is done. And so, when the learned gentleman uncorked himself, the noise and the nostiness were out of all pro- portion to the damage. (Laughter.) He in- formed the House that I once "prostituted" the Press, and in conducting a newspaper Bpare<9beitber sex nor age. But if he ven- tures to put files of the Colonist or Catholic upon the table, I will find him ten personal attack's, ten foul words, in either of them for one that he can discover in the old JVova- tcotian. Indeed, I have always been under the impresssion that that paper was, in my time, a model of elegant literature and poli- tloal refinement. (Laughter.) But, sir, the Provincial Secretary went a good deal farther. He charged me with being a defaulter, and did me the honor to apply ittudxy other epithets not very complimen- tary. I fear that he tempted me into some indecorum. The language I applied to him, on the instant, was the only language that was appropriate, and I can only regret that It was not parliamentary. I shall waste but little time upon his charges. As Collector of Excise I collected and paid over £88,000. £4780 passed through my hands as Commis- sioner for building the Telegraph and for In- dian Affairs. As Treasurer of the Casual Revenue, I collected and disburaed £14,816 ; and as Chairman of the Railway Board, I ex- pended £604,^88. These sums amount to £661,i)&l, more than half a million of money. Now I defy the Provincial Secretary to shew one fraudulent figure in all the accounts of thjse receipts and expenditures, or to trace one shilling of all this public money into my pocket by " any indirection." If he could, sir, I should have heard firom the Attorney General long ago, and not from the Provin- cial Secretary. The latter seems indignant because I never prosecuted any body for de- famation. A nice life I should have had, had I brought actions against every body that abused me, or criticised by public con- duct. For twenty ^ears I have lived through storms of calumny, and never prosecuted a printer or a political opponent in my life. The Doctor knows this right well, and knows also that I never intend to. But one action was ever brought against me during the twelve years of my connexion with the Press, and in that case the parties were in the wrong. A public man, who can only main- tain his character by the terror of the law, will never stand very high in public estima- tion. But now, sir, let me ask the otteotion of the House to some curious facts. If I am a defaulter now, I must have been one when I left office in 1844. If I am guilty of any of the ofifenees with which I am charged by the Provincial Secretary, they were com- mitted prior to 1 855. Now, sir, I ask the Provincial Secretary, in presence of this House and of the country, how it happened that, in the session of 1855, he came fawning upon me, with any quantity of pretty names and laudatory speeches, to induce me to over- throw the Government and .t myself 'at the head of a new one, of whic.^ no was to be a supporter if not a member 7 Let him also explain how it happened that, when I spurn- ed his preposition, as incompatible with my personal honor and the obligations I owed to my friends, he came back a second time, and ofiiered to the man he now slanders carte blanche to lead him where he pleased, one stipulation only being made, that Mr. John- ston should be Chief Justice 7 If I am a bad man now, I was a bad man then. There is no offence Trhich has been charged which does not bear an earlier date. And what shall be said of the man who, knowing these charges to be false, slanders me now, or believing them true, would, two yer.rs ago, have made me Provincial Secretary uid leader of the Government T If he believed then what he say? now, his conduct was more despicable than I have language to describe. The Provincial Secretary has a high res- pect for an individual, wno I have never call- ed a 4efitulter. Now I find on the pubUo journals of this country a resolution to this effect: " fVherwi the Hon. AlwaaderStewart, n MMttr of the Bolli, dnM hit tppointmrnit to that offioo, ooDtrary to the aboTo and only dwiiion'of the local Legislature on this sob- leot, has drawn tlie sum of £060 sterling InHtend of that of £560 allowed by the Bill of 1844 " as and for the Salary of that olfioe:" t)eing the sum of £90 sterling or £112 lOs. onrrency annually more than he was entftled to acoonling to the terms on which he ae- oepted offioe. There tore, Retolced, That it is the opinion of this House that the sum of £112 IC^. an- nually, which has now been piiid for nearly two years, has been improperly drawn and reoeived in payment of the Salary of the Master of the Bulls, and should be again re- funded and paid to the Treasurer of the Casual and Territorial Revenue of this Prov- ince." Now suppose that the ProTiucial Secretary could find on the public records such a reso- lution as that, true or false, aimed at the learned member for Inverness, or at myself, would we ever hear the lost of it 7 It being there, just or unjust, it should have shown him how easy a thing it is to prefer an accu- sation — it should have taught him modera- tion, in dealing with the men in various parts of the Province, who he has stigmatized, be- cause perhaps they have mistalten their rights, or been found with a ftftr pounds of public money in their poolcets. Had the Provincial Secretary honored me only with his notice I should not perhaps have addressed the House again. But he has de- famed other gentlemen, who are not here to defend themselves. Among them one, who, for many reasons, might have been spared. Sir, a more able, honorable and distinguished man, never graced the floor of this Assembly, than my late lamented friend the Honorable James Boyle Uniaclce. His noble form, easy deportment, graceful manners, and ready flow of language, are familiar to many who listen to me to-day. No man who ever grap- pled with him, as I did in the early part of my life, would under estimate his powers. A mind ever fruitful — a tongue ever eloquent — humor inexhaustible, and pathos which few could resist, were among the gifts or attain- ments of my honorable friend. His colloquial powers were even more marvellous than his forensic or parliamentary displays. He charmed the Senate by his eloquence, but how delightful was he when surrounded by a knot of friends, beneath the gallery or seated at the head of his own hospitable board. How often have I thought, when feeting abroad the choice spirits of both ntinents, how rare it was to find a man in i respects a match for James Boyle Uniacke. But he was not only distinguished as a legis- lator. His means and his intellect were em- barked in every enterprise which promised the advancement of the common interest, or the growth of public spirit. He took an ac- tive part in the ijitroduotion of gas and water i&to this city, and was President of both Com- paniiea for a time. He built the Penitentiary led throQgh this House by his influenoe. He aided u« in dereloplng and practically working the new constitution, and ne gave to the great public works now in pro- gresi his steady support. Such was the man, sir, to whom and to the 'management of whose Department, foul lan- guage has been applied here by members of the government, even at ^he very mo- ment when my honorable and learned friend was in the agonies of death. The Sepoy and the Savage, it is true, torture their victims in that hour, but a christian warrior tarns (torn them with disgist or slays them for their barbarity. The hawk a;nd the kite may peek out the eyes of the noble steed who has run his course, even while the heart is still pal- Fitating and the blood is warm. What shall say of such foul birds as the Provincial Secretary and the hon. member for Victoria, who have settled upon the reputation of my departed friend, even while his great heart was breaking nnd his noble spirit was wing, ing its upward flight. >Vhat need be saia T We all knew him and we know them. A ser- pent may crawl over the statue of Apollo, but the beautiful proportions of the marble will yet be seen beaeath the slime. — (Cheers) That my friend may have had his errors I am not here to deny, but I rejoice that, what- ever they were, God in his infinite mercy, and not man in his maliginity, is hereafter to be his judge. When failing health made it desirable for Mr. Uniacke to retire ttom the active duties of the Crown offioe, and ^he leadership of the Qovernment, he was appointed to the land office, over which he presided for four years. The coarest terms have been applied to that Department while under his charge, and language used here, of which the members of Government who employ^ it ought to be ashamed. [Here some explanations were offered by the Provincial Secretary, and by hon. Charles Campbell,) who disclaimed any intention to disparage Mr. Uniacke. Mr. Howe continued.] He was bound to accept their disclaimers, and glad that they were made. But the Provincial Secretary had spoken o f the management of the land office as " feeble and incompetent,*' and had charged " fraud and incompetency "^n an- other passage. The member for VictOTia had spoken of the lan(| office, while Mr. Uniacke presided over it, bear in mind, as "a nuisanct and a curse." Whether this language wng meant to be applied to Mr. Uniacke or to his office Mr. Howe would proceed to show that it was deserved by neither, during the four years that that gentleman had administered the Crown Estate : [Mr. H«we here produced the official Be- turns, and compared the state of the Crown land Department, during the incumbencies of Mr. Morris and of Mr. Uniacke. During the 24 years that Mr. Morris had charge of th« Crown lands he had granted but 868,068 acre while Mr. Uniacke had granted 247,947 acre in four years. From 1 842 1 o 1 852 the arerag quantity granted in each year did not ex eeed 28,711 acres, while from 1854 to 186' the avei more w< t'lan by ber ofg during I had beei 1854 to pect of t duoe R( 1828 to had bee f^om 18 £11.291 Uniacke about £( lands hi Uniaoke, sum, in i been abh entire 24 a Deputj some smi the defal these, ab( made, coi had been ■um of £! the first t had the i been mad of Revent What, f . against th or of aoci Mr. Hend not; and I the field i that the ii of the de{ they are n amount of ed shows! I know th( Land claiE went out eame back the Deputi true, Mr. Hamilton « Mr. Morrii 1863. If it could on Mr. Unittcl parent the ealled to si nenburg ca gation. I Speaker, and official unmerited I will No longe Or dr ab There th( The bo Let me n tion of the public servi friend, who t Tcloping Md stUution, and u now in pro- om and to the ant, foul lan- I by memben Ihfl very mo- carned friend he SepoT and their victims warrior turne them for their l(ite may peok who has ran rt is still pal- 1. What ohall the Provincial or for Victoria, >atation of my is great heart pirit was wing- aeed be said! r them. A ser- tue of Apollo, of the marble ime— (Cheers) id his errors I oiee that, what- infinite mercy, r, is hereafter to i it desirable for le active duties eadership of the ted to the land for four years, applied to thut s charge, and the members of it ought to be >1anation8 were retary, and by disclaimed any Jaiacke. Mr. lound to accept that they were Secretary had the land office nt," and hud etency "^n an- for Viotona had i Mr. Uniacke as "a nuisanct I language wag niaoke or to bis d to show that it uring the four d administered the official Re te of the Crown incumbencies jiacke. Durini ad charge of th( ut 868,068 acre! ed 247,947 acre 852 the averag lar did not ex m 1854 to 185 the avtrag* wai 61 ,084. To prove how moob more work had been done by Mr. Uniaoke t'lan by Mr. Morris he contrasted the nr.m- ber of grants issued, which averaged but 198 during the latter's last ten years, while 888 had been annually issued by the former from 1854 to 1857. Looking at the financial as- pect of the Department, and its power to pro- duce Revenue, he showed that while from 1828 to 1888 but £1754, or £250 per annum, had been paid in by Mr. Morris. While, from 1841 to 1858 he had paid over but £11,291, or about £1129 per annum, Mr. Uniacke had paid in 4 yean £20,815, or about £6708 per annum. In fact the Grown lands had been made • to produce, by Mr. Uniaoke, in four years, more than twice the sum, in solid revenue, that Mr. Morris had been able to extract from them during the entire 24 years of his incumbency. Though a Deputy or two might have misbehaved, or some small amount might have been lost by the defalcation of subordinates, what were these, about which so much fuss had been ma competent. I do not believe that he waa either ; but what 1 do believe ia, that thla peraon, whatever hia faults may have been, has been hardly treated, and has been dis- missed from the publio service without a fair chance of self-defence. Mr. Chambers brought with him ttom C/anada a certificate which I hold in my hand, and in which the military officers, under whom he served, there testistV : •• Mr. Robert Chambers, who has been em- ployed in this department for nearly three years, has conducted himself with diligence, attention and sobriety." Here is a certificate, signed by Mr. Thomas Goudge, of the Engineer Department, a re- specter! member of the community, known to us all, who says : '• I have known Mr. Robert Chambers since 1850, and it affords me pleasure to give titis testimonial as to the general propriety of his conduct and character — his practical ao- (]uirements as an architect are of a very re- Bpec table order." In 1855 Mr. Chambers produced to Mr. Bell a oertificate, which I also hold in my hand, signed by Captain Barry, and by the Clark of the Works in the Royal Engineer Department, and in which they declare that he is "competent to undertake the general superintendance and direction of any build- ings or works. Ho is a good mechanical and architectural Draughtsman, fully experienced in prcpaviug the general, working, detail plans and sections of buildings and ground." They also certify that he is an excellent ••judge of masonry and of all kinds of artifi- cers' work," and that he is "steady, zealous and confidential." Messrs. Peters, Blaiklock & Peters, the builders of the New Barracks, also say that Mr. Chambers was fifteen months in their employ, and that " it affords them pleasure to testify to the general propriety of his con- duct." "As regards his professional abili- ties, they consider him quite competent to undertake the charge of any buildings given him to superintend." While in their em- ploy " he had a general charge of the works then in progress." Will it be asserted, then, that Mr. Bell did wrong, even if Mr. Chambers be in fault, in employing a man so certified and recommend- ed ? I hold his drawings in my hand, and his working plans could be produced, proving his knowledge of his profession. But it has been said that the building is def^tWe — that the lime was bad, and the sand woroe^— that the bricks cost £6 or £6 per thousand, and that but for a loose wall that the pre^nt go- \^ to us. vemment have built outside, the building would have tnoibled down. [Mr. Howe then prooee<1ed to show that all theie ohargei were irrossly exaggerated, or entirely dcatitute of oundation. lie produced— Ist. A letter ft-om Mr. Robert Davit, ad- dressed to the Chairman of the Committee appointed to investigate hia claims, in which Mr. Davis rebutted the statements that had been made injurious to the cliaracter of hia work, and to his own reputation ait a mechanic. 'Jnd. A certificate, signed bv Mr. Robert Malcom, Henry A. Wriglit and William Fin- lay, two of them sworn city surveyors, and experienced master mechanics, and tlie other an arcliitcct of high character; who declare that " the materials UHeand that " the work haa been performed in a good, aubstantial and workmanlike manner." This certificate was especially vnluablc, because the characters and experience of these men were known to us all, and because one of them had been a competitor with Mr. Davit for this very work. Of the sloping wall, built by the Government, these persons say : " We are of opinion that it is of no practical benefit, and having been done HO late in the season, thereby exposing the footings of the wall to the action of the weather, would have a tendency seriously to injure the work." 8. A certificate fk-om James Sinnott, Senr. well known to the whole community, showing that the lime used was of the best quality of brown lime, made of Chester stone, and burnt at Dartmouth. 4. Accounts of expenditure, showing that the bricks had cost £2 Ids. Od. per thouaand, instead of £5 or £6 as had been asserted. Two certificates ofmaster builders proving that ttie bricks were of a very superior quality, and finally, amidst roars of laughter, Mr. Howe produced two or three of the bricks themselvea which nobody in their presence would ven- ture to disparage. He also h tnded in Mr. Chamber's nnawera to 11 questions put to him by the Govern- ment, which he only regretted had been too long (lelayed, but which were candidly expressed, and in the main satisfactory. This, then, is the work that we have heard so much abused. This is the man that the Provincial Secretary has venttired, because he is comparatively poor and friendless, to style " intemperalMand incompetent" Mr. Chambers may tafllMhis glass, and I assume he does, as neai^ all the engineers, and architects, and mechanics in England do, men who have done the work and built the modern wonders of the world. But what then, do not' membera of the Government do the same, and if they are fit for their work why should he not be fit for his 7 ■!,„ ---Hin» J These details are tedious, Mr. Speaker, but ,ad nJt re * "ther topics. The Ron pj imself in cei »d policy, I lebate, nor vi tary will himself grow old, and if he does, I f* '^°?*^ ' " hope he may have aerved the country with hair the * ble Mtn utef\il li; will be t talentt a human a waa expn which th thing. ] fbativitv, fax anu o appointed tion atone upon that oeremonie an oocaaic amount w if it had b Iw borne li my venera aidofthia trusted to larly appli dividual, v attraotedfb publio appi t^nds abou hear no mo tations as v lum will be nor to this Admlniatra as it does %i will be re respect. The Houa standing thi dress on the Mi*. Howe 'eapitulation tiie Land Of previous daj which he ha the table tha We have alri the whole. Asylum, he i one of the m( dustrious m built the Bai Bjotia Bank, Dther of our itructures. lid not conta irork and int and was al Ir. Davis to aceessfully i iQoe to the A this defence was necessary. It was due to my old friend, and it was but just to the compa- ratively friendless architect, who I could not see ruthlessly trampled upon, as if reputation was not as dear to him as it is and ought to By and bye the Provincial Secre- Involving thia target w«t« dcatitute at Davii, wl- I Conimittc* ts, in which its that had ■iioter of his a Dicchanio. Mr. Robert filUam Fin- veyotH, and lul tlie other who deolare Asylum aw the work has stantial an(l irtiftoate was le oharacUTS re known to had been a lis very work. Qoverument, opinion that having been eby exposing action of the f seriously to Sinnott, Scnr. unity, showing est quality of one, and burnt showing that per thousand, asserted. Two •oving that the quality, and ter, Mr. Howe icks themselves e would ven- balf the fidelity and honor which my venera- ble Arlend has exhibited in every phase of his usefiil life: whose monument, when He dies, will be this Lunatlo Asylum, raised by his talents and exertions for the alleviation of human mlserv. >Ve wore told, sir, that £300 was expanded In some Mort of celebration, of which tho Oovcniment of the day know no- thing. This is not true. A day of general festivity, In honor of the foundation of Hali- fax and of the close of the llu&sian war, was appointed by the tiovornmcnt. The founda- tion stone of the Lunatlo Asylum was laid upon that day. £'MM) wore expended In the ceremonies and foMtlvitles appropriate to such an occasion lu all British cummunlties. The amount was paid by the Board of Works. But If It had been wasted, which it wus not, let il 1)0 borne In mind that £!iO(i liad been given by my venerable friend out of his own pocket in aid of this Asylum. That £'J00 hiis been en- trusted to him by ono gentleman to be siiui- larly applied: and that another benevolent In- dividual, whose attention hiul no doubt been attraoted«by my old friend's speeches and public appeals, has bequeathed towards its t^inds about £12 or £14U0 more. Let us then hear no more such slanders and misrepresen- tations ns we have had. The Lunatic Asy- lum will be standing, an ornament and an ho- nor to this country, long after the present Administration has been forgotten: and so long as it doesltand, the name of my old friend will be remembered with veneration and I respect. The House here adjourned with the under- I standing that Mr. Howe should close his ad- dress on the morrow. iber's answers the Oovem- ted had been were candidly isfaotory. we have heard man that the red, because friendless, to petent" Mr. and I assume in{(ineer8, and gland do, men lit the modern lat then, do not the same, and hy should he p. Speaker, but was due to my I to the compa- TiiuRBDAT, April 1. Mr. Howe occupied some time with a re- 'oapitulation of his arguments, in reference to tlie Land Office and Lunatic Asylum, of the previous day, enumerating the documents to which he had referred, and laying them on the table that members might refer to them. We haTe already condensed the substance of the whole. Of Mr. Davis, the builder of the Asylum, he felt it his duty to say, that be was me of the most upright, trustworthy and in- ustrious mechanics in this city. Ho had |built the Bank of British America, the Nova ''ootia Bank, the Market House, and many ther of our most elegan^aud substantial 'ructures. There was scarcely a street that d not contain somo evidence of his hundi- ork and integrity. Mr. Howe then referred and was about to read a letter addressed by r. Davis to the select committee, in which he ucoessfully vindicates his conduct in refer- inoe to the Asylum. Mr. Wade objected to ' e reading of the letter, as the committee lad net reported, and Mr, Howe passed on to her topics. . The Hon. Provincial Secretary has indulged [ho I could not limself in certain strictures upon my Rail- if reputotion ^^ti policy, not called for by the scope of this and ^o'^B^ *** ebate, nor very accurate. He has argued ivinoial Secre- ,8 though I and I alone had ever thought of country with if he does, I nrolting this country in heavy expencfitures on account of Aailways. It ii true that I first oalled attention to .be praotioability and in- nortanco of a Railway to Windsor in 188fi, but abandoned the scheme for many years, as at that time premature. SubHcquentlpr, many of our leading men, on all sides of pon- tics, Mr. Cogswell, Mr. George R. Young, Mr. James and Mr. Crufton Uniaoke, and many others, embarkoer annum, for 20 years, with ten milea of and in aid of that enterprize. When that failed I fell back upon the Windsor road, apd, If allowed to have oonstnioteJ It In 1850 It would hav«costbut£400,000, would havebeen long slnoe finished, a cheap experiment would have been tried, and the burthen upon our revenues would have been light, even if it dilnotpay. But Mr. Johnston, Mr. Uniaeke, and other leading public men, went on to th« Portland Convention. They came back, full of entliusi ism for vreiU interoolonial projects, and nothing would contemd them but the ovcrl'ind route through New Brunswick, to which they had •been pledged at Portland. £24,000 per annum, let it be borne in mind, would have tried the safe experiment of a Railroad to Windsor, and a larger lam than this, for 20 years mind, had been gi anted iur the Quebeo line several years bef >re. When the delegtites returned fk-om Portland the Windsor line was saouted, and a great meet- ing was held at Temperance Hall in aid of the European line. I attended that meMing, and there, for the first time, propounded the policy since so sucoessful here, and wbicli, after a vain struggle to do otherwise, has been foroed upon the Province of New Brans- wick. At that meeting the delegates were f\ill of enthusiasm, but not one of them could tell us how the uioney was to be raised to build five miles of the road they advocated. Then it was that I showed that Maine, Nova Sootia and New Brunswiok, were all too poor to raise the funds i equired by subscriptions of stock, and that, without such subscriptions, it was folly to suppose that stock could be sold in England. Besides, if it could, as it was clear that the road would not pay, it would not be honest to ask the Capitalists of Eng- land to put their money into an euterprize into which wo would not put our own. I suggested the only alternative, that the Pro- vinces should pledge their public revenues, obtain the guarantee of the Imperial Qoveru- ment, if they could, borrow the mon^ hon^ estly and take the risk of the adventure. This suggestion was received with aoolama- tion, by every man, with a single exception I believe, in the room, of all political parties. This suggestion embodied my policy, which all felt to be sound, at that time, and to which Nova Scotia, (except for one period when she lest a year by trying Mr. Johnston's experi- ments,) has ever since adhered. For this policy, whether it succeed or fail, I am res- ponsible — the glory or the shame of it is mine, and I am content to wait for the results. Had the Imperial guaranteeu been obtained. we Blionld have got two millions of money for the oo8t of one. I did my best to get it, while others laboured to thwart and prevent me. I toiled for two years to unite the Provinces, and the British government, in a British American Railway policy. Had I suooeeded, by this time there would have an Inter Co- lonial Highway, on British territory, open from Halifax to the ffcstern boundary of Canada. Bat self-interest and powerful con.- nezions were brought to bear upon the enter- Srize. Canada and New Brunswiolc were anded over to the great Contractors. The results arc before us. Canada has had to pay £3,000,000 sterling, for which she has so security. New Brunswick , after wasting two years, had to buy otf the Contractors at a cost of £90,000 and adopt our policy. The Provinces have all had to make their roads with money at 6 per cent, instead of 3i, and to make them in the war period when labour and provisions were high. The blame of all this must rest upon those who raisid the ob- structions, isolated the Provinces, and wasted precious time. But the Provincial Secretary desires t.>»e House to believe that I mystified and deceived the country as to the cost of Railroads. This Is not true. In all mj negociations with Earl Qrey I assumed Major Robinson's estimate as the basis of calculation. When I moved the resolution to provide for the Windsor Railroad in 1850 I took as the basis the (Stimates of Wightman and Chesborough made by order ' of the Legislature. Hie belief, that railroads could be made much cheaper in America than they had been, did not originate with me. When Mr. Chandler and myselfwent to Canada in 1851, we found the leading members of the Cana- dian Government, relying chiefly, I believe, on information collected by Mr. Keefer, impres- sed with the belief, that, at the then rates of labour and provisions, railroads might be made for about £5000 sterling a mile. The St. Andrews Road, then in course of construc- tion, had been let for less. About the same time Mr. Robert Chambers, of Edinburgh, who came to this country, assured us that the Peebles railroad, in which he and his brother were largely interested, would cost no more; and shortly after Messrs. Sykes, King and Brookfield came forward and offered to con- struct our Main line for £5200 per mile. I acted, then, from time to time, on the latest Information that could be obtained. I was not an Engineer, and could make no calcula- tions. What I did was to assume that those who had had experience kne^ what they were about. If I have been deceived, it is apparent that those who were the best in- formed were equally abroad in their calcula- tions. Per mile, estimate, in £8750 7835 8125 6500 mile of Railroad located in my life, and my business was to get tba work (lone as cheaply as 1 could. But mis- takes are every day made by Architects and Engineers. Our Canal was to be completed for £10,000. It has cost £26,000; and £17,000 more are required to finish it, I hold in my hand a certificate, on wbfoli Messrs. Peters St, Blaiklock base a large claim upon the British Government, tor bi^ilding the new Barracks, and in which all the En- gineers and Builders in the city eertify that labor and materials have risen one-third iu price during the last four years. Add one- third, then, to our Railway Estimates, and the amount will probably cover the cost. If the Provincial Secretary can show that our roads could have been built as well and built for less, I may be to blame. If he cannot I care not what he says. But I will assume, for the sake of argU' ment, that the estimate, brought down here by the present chairman of the Railway Etoard. with the aid of all the new light sb«idi will cost less by £1600 per mile than thoa« New York. wilt pa,s ihm, a,u r»ilro»di lAboup m of uur mt w»r<)i or w»r»b «f '♦«©»» f I rtober in eviB ir tb P«B(J^ wi indirsstl^ to tbs iur ft fm I now ibdw ov»r tbijt s»rriea 6f iO mmik§, tb§ noiub fWlnglOO, of wb»( it \ A «*»ofl(i el WJ4 betb «t «llvl!4lflj| tb »ppe»M' ihit, lOQ mi\^ ii I^Ut ht Hi i wbta (mm ttfkul ov«r t»iln«t8|« ^100,000 h if tim§ b§ m Let us now see how our available resouroc f*^'^^®!' 8ft Major Robinson's currency, was Wightiqan's Jackson's Sykefc' * neyer aeen a Mr Mr, Mr, will stand, and what we can probably do wit the funds at our disposal. We have £1,000,000 to be borrowed in England, 100.000 Halifax Debentures, 60,000 Province Paper, 20,000 representing 1-3 of £60,000, boi rowed through the Savings Ban at 4 per cent. 4i 8d per bi BWbortbei »o4 U 8b6ul in S^ngUsd, *b« r©»d en thm mm SWO, l>«.Ja( »»d yoii bftv « »o 4ifmi Wi »r§ tola i Vim fiip, traffio only, Jb« iftving is ftngJiib I'um £1,180,000 ,^ , . There is thus £l ,1 80.000 available for Rai *"tf*^bw' ' way construction, £883,946 will be requin to finish the roads to Truro and Windaw leaving £206,254 towards an extension of t| line. To finish the 40 miles to Piotou, wi j - at £9608 per mile, require £884,320, leavil yl^' At tbl £98,266 to be provideed for over and aboi '*Vff> ifimw the million to be borrowed. To raise tb •''®'* »f «Mf amount ought not to tax severely the wit J*"* W«t, A any Government really disposed to posh tbfl r*''^ HftHfit* works forward, even if they do not pay ?*^* ^ b * ** pound over their working expenses. * '* *"»»?, tk But suppose they pay 8 per cent, we sbi "'« tPft»W|^«rt have but £80,000 to provide, and our 10 |i 'f ^""W »»♦! cents., which must go on increasing with t '** 9*p8ns#» growth of the country, already yield £24,0 ^ U,Oim t to meet this Interest, and in two or three yei 'f''* y^ft i „.___ ' ^^M wwM J (11) ras to get tb« i. But mifi- rohlteots and be completed ;26,000j M»d tinish It, I ite, onwb(oh i a large olalm :, for building ich all the Eu- ty eertifjr that n one-third iu ftTS. Add one- Bstimates, and >r the coat, I( ibow that our B well and built If he oannot I sake of aygn- tght down here ,f the Railway ) new light sbe aS.OUO sterling. 18,000 26,832 40,000 renoy and U wi ess, by £12,89; hantheQerroao and by £40.89; urie, taking hi lits that our roiidi nile than those vailable reB0ur< probably do wit We have in England, iires. of £60,000, b« the Savings Ban available for B»< will be requin ro and Windwi iQ extension oft to Piotou, wi £384,320, leavil over and ab( . To raise t verelythe wit )0Bed to posh th y do not pay xpenses. ir cent., wesbi e, and our 10 creasing with •' ady yield £24, two or three ye WiH p»y tlii Wlia1«. Why all this outcry, (bSRi AH§ttt the oountry being ruined by these r»ilr6»di If If th^lf yield 6 per cent then shall we bAV« A frant pro'luotive property, a great Ittboar mnug tUfiobitie, in faot, in the bosom of uur WlMHfy, ttdilihg, in solid capital, up- W»Pd» yf A m\\\m of poundn to the actual W«rlb »f Mi(« Vt'tiiitiae, and yet we are told by (1)8 Pr0¥ii(ii)Al Htititetary that the country is •' mm th« f»flli«f'* for my li- bouts. •» Nam Ujm l'ial(e^.** sir. Yes, we shall be riob§r in hmmi ptiue^ln self confidence— in 9»i§fpriK=-4n Sflietioe— in elevation ot' Pro- vineUl «bArA«t«<'. 1 have shown you that, eV9B if tb« f^Aiis do not pay, the money ex- P»Atifd will i)ttV« Cfeated permanent property, hi\V9Ql\jl df ifl«(itittinble value, and fastened to tbs lurfMt of ^ur soli. That, if they do 9»f, fm »ftt tkhw by a million brought in 10 tb6 S§ttBti'j^ tttid tuade productive. I will MW ibdW y§ll bow mmh richer we shall be 9V8ft if tbtM rMlds do not yield a sixpence 0V8r (beif eX)^HS«Si 66,000 persons were Q»rr\§4 6v«r ouf short road to the Qrand Lftk« tAit y«Af « tt»d the trains ran only about W mmiU§, If they liad run the year round tbs nambwi weyld bav« been 76,000. Dr. hwimr OAkukttM thata first class passenger, riding I00niil«§&ti a railroad, saves 80s. stg. of WbAt it W§tt(d 6oSf to oarry him by coach. A mQoni elAiS ttfi^fietiger saves 17s. Now I add htith mm» Ui^eihw, and strike 7 olf, and dividing i\m ttittMu\U0 sum by 2 it would apPDAt' tknii S^^fjf passenger carried by train 100 n»ii«N< in Netya seotia will save 208. stg. ]3ut l6t Hi ntfikt! it uurienoy and assume that, WbfB (mf f§ftd» nf» fairly opened, 100,000 will trftf 9l over th^^ 100 miles within the year. Is it n()Ml«ttP tbAt tb«re will be a saving of £100,000 in (b§ nm« cost of locomotion. But if i\m§ b« immy, '• Us see what ih^it is worth. I^ardner §Ai6«ila(6S, at a very loir rate, that 4iSd f§t iteftd in saved in the value of time by SH^b Hf ihfim t>AS^oni$ers. If we take it at 4s, »»d it iboutJ l>8 bigher in this country than in EnglABd, tb« mmg will be £20,000, while the road #»p«n<^s mttaoi be less. than &4500. Tb»i# »mm ttddeJ together amount to £124,- MQ, Ds'ldSt tim interest of your million, and yo« b»ve ,fi{)4,600 to spare, even if there is no dip§8t ftfvetiue from the Roads. Yet we AfO totd (bat tii6 country is to be " none tt)# Ft«b»P" fof tb« titvtuhet for Wimlsor. Tbnut for, T iiave tpoUm of Passenger traffio only. IM im turn your attention to the HAving in ft'eitflit. One horse will, over Engliiib vm^», draw one ton 20 miles in a At tbat raid it would take a horse (3 (l«ys to dmw a Ion from Halifax to I'ictou, •ven if our ro«ds were as good, T.hich they we not, A J^Oflomotire will carry 100 tons from ilftlifox to ^iotott in 4 hours, and come k with A Mimilftr load on the same day. It It) abiAPi tb«n, that four days are saved in 'lie trAHtiporiittiOH, whilo ostimating the cost 'f driver And imm At iWs. per day, reduces he e»»enwN by A'^ per ton each way. Sup- llii.OOU imm i9 m carried 100 miles in oob yoAr, tb« f^Avina on internal freight lojM would b« MB,m, which added to the saving in passengers, would give lis a clear annual gain of £112,60U, after all the inte- rest is paid. "Not richer." Yes, sir, we shall be richer. Richer in the saving of time. Richer in facilities of intercourse — in the shelter and comfort of our people, trans- acting the business of the country. Aye, sir, and richer in means of defence; because, by means of these roads our Provincial Militia can be rapidly concentrated for the defence of our Arsenals in time of war, or as rapidly brought to bear upon an enemy that may menace our eastern or western seaports. But, I may be asked, will those roads pay the interest on the expenditure? I never said they would. I always said wbat I say now, that the honor and the interests of the Province alike required that they should be built, and I am content to wait till they arc finished for a final judgment on my policy. The Provincial Secretary told us that he held me responsible for the errors of the Chief Engineer. The Government have ap- pointed a medical gentleman to the charge of the Lunatic Asylum. Suppose he were to poison or shoot half the patients instead of curing them, would the Provincial Secretary, having exercised his best judgment in the selection, be content to be huni; for the mur^ der? — (laughter.) In selecting a Chief En- gineer the late government exercised its best judgement. He oame of an honest race, and bis father and fl^dfather had been known to this commuSv for half a century. Of Mr. Forman peiSonally, I knew nothing be- fore going to Scotland, but he was a Nova Sootian, and his reputation in the country where he had studied and was employed, stood high. When he came out he brought testimonials of the first character. In the Railway Bills the Legislature made the Chief Enjiiueer the officer of the Government, not of the Board. The Governor in Council was to approve of the lines selected before they were offered to contract. In no respect therefore can I be held answerable for errors in Engineering. I was an officer not a mem<' ber of the Government. But have we not a most extraordinary spectacle presented to us just now? Certain disputes have arisen be- tween the Board and the Contractors, since I retired from ofiice, and a committee of seven gentlemen has been selected from this House to adjudicate upon them. Those disputes in-^ volve claims upon the Treasury to tha extent of £70,000. Now, is it not clearly the duty of the Government, to dofeud the interests of the Province, and, at all events until they are proved to be in the wroi^, to sustain their own officers? But what do we see? While that committee is conduoting this investigation the Provincial Secretary comes here and attempts to break down the oharac ter of the Engineer, by declaring him totally incompetent. Hon. Provl. Secy. — No. I studiously and carefully avoided saying anything with res- pect to the capacity of that officer. Mr. Howe.— 'I have no de9ure to misrepre (12) '*< totally unqualified " as appled to Mr. For- nan, and the Prov. Secretary did entertain u8 about " blunders and bog holes;" while the qtttnber for Yictoriu (also a member of the government) went further, and certainly did insinuate that the Win(i»ur Roud httd been put in the wrong place to favor people's plaister quarries and laud t-pcculatiuus. Hon. Mr. Campbell also disclaimed having intended to make any attack upon Mr. Fur- man. Mr. Howe was content to accept both dis- claimers, and good humouredly explained the two matters referred to by Mr. Campbell. The Prov. Secretary had called upon him to " table" Earl Grey's letter. The place to do that was in England where he had pub- lished it, and where it would have been tabled on the instant, if it had been required. The learned gentleman has spoken lightly of my capacity and powers of mind. Perhaps with reason, but really, passing over all that I have done and said besides, 1 think I may, without vanity, place the speech at South- ampton and the letters to Earl Grey, beside any Orations or State Papers that the Prov. Secretary has yet produced. I think he would stand higher in this House if he had more modesty — if, instead of ill natured de- clamation and verbose puerilities, he would give us sound information and logical argu- ment. jMJC We were told that the intMppnial scheme failed from my blundering;;?Kave discussed thatsubjeot at large in my letter to Mr. Hincka, and need not wastertime with it now. It failed, because it was the interest of a pow- erful combination of English contractors and members of Parliament, that it should fail. Nobody can prove this by direct testimony, but it has been proved to every t>ody'8 satis- faction by a whole stream of evidence. As- tronomers have recently ascertained the ex- istence of some tremendous power, not yet visible by the finest instruments, but which is known to exert a marvellous controul over our planetary system. The fact can be demon- strated, though the body cannot be seeu. So it must be in this case. We know that a se- cret and controlling power exists, and was exerted upon our Uailway policy, though we may not be able to determine the moment, the agent, or the mode. The Provincial Secretary vaunts over my defeat in Cumberland, but he well knows that, though a comparative stranger, I ran two elections in that County, and, when I had time to meet tl^ people, carried them hand- somely. He knows or might have known that my friends could have secured my return the last time, by compromise, but refused. He knows also that I was beaten because I only arrivod in the County a few days before the election, many in the remote settlements believing that I was not coming at all, and was stiU in the United States. He may glo- but really, if summer rify himself over the victory, but i the humour seised me, and I had a consider it any great ftat to turn him ouC again. That Mr. Hinoks may have been disap- pointed at my not joining him in England is probable, but I could not be in two places {at once. 1 was running the t/Uinberland Elec- tion all winter. Sir John Harvey died on the day the contest closed, and I could not leave an old officer, 8ud what had the the introduo- l? It grew with jnstitutions do Inips, (and to 'are required.) id reforms, es- (and when land combined them forward, aut I was, at I field. In that 19 years ago, lieaeral has so le new system vindicat«d, at I in the British imber in the kdsay no more juds advocated liciplos of Ad- and patrons of the Provittoial Seoretary opposed their in- troduction. We prevailed. The honor and the distinction of "success in a good cause was ours, and we can oontenipl' 'h with pride the Provinces flourishing w i* le system which we labored to introduce. Mr. Howe now turnei ietted violence and demanded separate sehools, I took my ground and mean to maintain it But I have not obanged my opinions, nor my policy. I am no more of a bigot now than I ever was. No person ever knew me to wound any man's feelinga or to do hitai any injustice on account of his creed. The learned member from Sydney tells me that he has broken the image whieh he forme- ly treasured in his heart. I cannot break so easily my pleaaant pietnrea of- the past Old oompaniona in arms may become estranged, unreasonable and unjust, but when they do I remember only those passages of life in whioh they exhibited finer oharacteriaticB. Those who have once enjoyei my confidence, or lived in my afiiections, are apt to live there still, whatever may be the oonvolsions that subsequently divide ua. When I first oame to this House, a near relation of the hon. member from Clare was my flriend and fellow labour, in all the struggles of thai period. I have. not seen him for yeara. What he thinks of me now I know not, but he will ever dwell in my memory and I oan only think of him aa of a fHend. Mr. Howe then replied to the observations made upon the Enlistment queation, but, m these were given at large in the report of hut Session, we omit them here. He concluded by thanking the House for the patience with whioh they had heard him, and by the eX' preasion ef a hope that he had discussed the subjects before him in a spirit of oandoui and moderation. Dr. MeRiukon, ii!d, and do not he Sootoh Mid kotia there k» BlieTe, until the any portion of larry their old >8 BO far, as in athiie with the When they did, and demanded ound and mean ot changed my » no more of a No person ever I feelings or to nt of his oreed. Sydney tells me whiehheforme- sannot break so the past. Old lome estranged, ; when they do I I of life in which teristics. Those ' confidence, or )t to live there lonTnlsions that len I first came ion of the hon. iriend and fSellow ' thai period. I What he thinks I will ever dwell ly think of him he obeertatioBS luestion, bat, sa (he report of bst He conoladed le patience with and by the ex" lad disoussed the >irit of oandoui ♦ .