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SPEECH

DSLIVERED BY

THE HONORABLE JOSEPH HOWE.

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY.

Maroh 81, 1858.

Mr. How« said— This debate, Mr. Speaker,
bas already oooapied a great deal of time,
ftnd I am not desirous to protract it. It
eeems but ta\r, »8 the Attorney General and
the hon. member for Inyemess have yet to ad-
dress the House, that I should precwie them,
that they may have point blank range at each
other. 1 would not speak at all, but as many
of the supporters and members of the govern-
ment have been highly attentive and compli-
mentary to me, it would be discourteous not
to return my acknowledgements. The learn-
id member for Digby, in bis speech to-day,
aid all the blame of his political inconsisten-
!y upon the member for Windsor. He would
lot have gone over to the enemy but for my
etters. Nobody complains of his going, but
f he intended to go, in my opinion, he should
tot have met in caucus with his old friends
-concurred in their acts — fuid only deserted
hem when there was a hostile m^iority with-
out him.

Mr. Wade — ^I deny it. (Cries of order.)
lie member for Windsor must recollect that
oareftilly avoided all refereiice to the secret
ction of the party, but now that the subject
AS been referred to, I may state that I dis-
inctly informed them that if they took the
ction proposed I must leave them. If the
lember for Windsor dares to drag my name
ito this debate, I will be prepared to meet
lim.

Hon. Mr. Howe. — ^The learned member for
Hgby need not threaten me. I dare drag
Dy body into this debate. What I wish to
now is, whether he was present at the meet-
ig at which it was determined, that if Wil-
Condon did not tender his resignation,
e should be dismissed ? The learn«i mem-
er seems to regret deeply the conduct of tbo
iroteetMit gentlemen who have formed an
Uianoe, and who he and others have drag-
id without ceremony into this dobate. But
t me ask him, if they have not the same
ght to publish a religious or political mani*
•to that the Catholic Prelates had to issue
leir Synodical letter in July last? Would he
my to Protestants the rights which Catholics
nreise and enjoj T If not, upon what pr*-
xt does he ventiipe to assail Ministera of the
il for doing what the laws allow to be

e— for fdlowing the example of those,
daring denanoiations of all that Pro-

testants hold sacred, he has not mustered
courage to impugn 7

There was not much else in the member for
Digby 's speech, so I pass on to the more ela-
borate production of the learned Solicitor
General. I listened to that gentleman, as I
always do, with infinite pleasure. When he
rises we are sure of amusement if not of
instruction. He is humorous if not logical ;
and, when compared with some of his col-
leagues, his eloquence has the smack and
flavor of old wine, while theirs too often re-
sembles the rumblings of a beer-barrel or
the acidulous droppings of a vinegar-cask.
Though the weight of his indignation fell
upon the firm of Young & Co., there was
something irresistably comic in his descrip-
tion of the new firm. In that sketch the
man overcame the politician, as it was ap>
parent that he would rather peril his ofiiM
than spoil his joke.

It appeared to me, sir. that the learned So-
licitor General did not touch some topics in*
troduced into his speech with the seriousncsi
they deserved. I could not believe him in
earnest when be described Responsible Gov-
ernment as a system fraught with tyranny
and injustice. If I thought he was, I would
turn him to our mother country, whose his-
tory, until the introduction of Responsible
Government, is marked, from age to age, and
from reign to reign, with anarchy and blood-
shed, until the simple expedient was adopted
of routing a bad administration by a resolu-
tion instead of by the sword. Since that pe-
riod England, Ireland and Scotland, have pre-
sented a marked contrast to the nations of
continental Europe, in which there are no se-
curities for human freedom, in which consti-
tutions are made and unmade with marvel-
lous rapidity, and in which struggles for li-
berty always end in the establishment of des-
potic power. In the neighbouring Republics
Responsible Government has been established
under other forms, but, though the mode be
diffisrent, they preserve, through the ballot
bos, the spirit of the British constitution.
Let the Solicitor Genei-al take these great
countries, England and the United States,
descended frem the same stock — speaking the
same language, governed by the same phn-
oiples of action, whose power extends over a
large portion of the globe, an(' where, on the
face of the earth, wiU he find any othMn with
which they om b« oompactd? Ib both he

will find praotiosl frtedom in the irideit lenN
of Uie phrMe—laws fkithfiiUy ftdminiBtered — \
life and property secure, ^hese are the
firoits of ileBponsible Government, and be
knows that irnere it exists not they are not to
be found.

The Solioitor General gave us many quota~
tions firom Scripture, not exactly in the spirit
of a divine, for he touched with an in-everent
hand things sacred as *7ell lus things profane.
He made the sermon on the Mount to sound
very like the sermon of a mountebank.
(Laughter.) He referred to the period
vhen Herod and Pilate shook hands. The
passage might have been made more signifio
oant. That union was brought about to
please the pnests of those days, as anotaer
alliance was formed by certain gentlemen op>
posite last winter. In both cases a victim
was required. I will not point to the inno-
cent whose destruction was meditnted when
the Attorney General and the member for
Halifax jo' ned hands last session, but this is
quite apparent that the Priests were also to be
conciliated and gratified by that union.
(Laughter.) He tells us that Christians,
when smitten on one cheek should turn the
other. ' But I am under the impression that
the Protestants of Nova Scotia have l)een
smitten on both cheeks, and I believe there is
a point where forbearance ceases to be a vir>
tue. Are Protestants forever to put up with
indignity and insult 7 Are they to be held
up to contempt and ridicule by Crown officers
— to be branded with infamous crimes by
Provincial Secretaries — to see the Scriptures
they reverence scofied at and denounced by
Catholic Priests, and yet are theyto bedtaira
the right to organize for self protection — for
the defence of the principles they are bound
to cherish and regard? Let me give a few il-
lustrations. The Reverend Mr. Rand is an
educated, pious, Baptist Minister. How of-
ten has he been styled Roderick Random —
scoffed at and denounced because he dared
without permission from the Pope, to study
the Micmoc language, and perform the duty
of a Missionary among the Indians. I hold
in my hand a Catholic publication in which
tlie Reverend Mr. Uniacke is described as
" the unicorn of the Round Church" — " the
brawling Parson of the Round Church"—
•' the bellowing bull of Bashan, from Dutch
Town." And in which the Rev. Mr. Martin
is called ''a wretch," "the hoary criminal
of the Guardian,' "an old sheep whistling
rogue and ram tender," " a deformed beast
of grace."

Mr. Johnston. — From what paper does the
hon. gentleman quote T What date.

Mr. Marshall.— Is it the Christian Mes-
senger?

Mr. How0 continued. Let the gentlemen
opposite keep their powder dry. They will
find ont by and bye that Protestants know
how to defend themselves alike flrom open
enemies and insidious Mends. I will lay the
extracts on the table that gentlemen may
study them at thehr leisor*

nM r«li|{ious oontrovcregr whieh raged here

jnn ftfo did set iatwMl nt mnoli, beoanse,
attbatlloM, IdidBotbellttethak any por-
tio»ofoarp«opttw«rtto b« dlstmited, or
w«r« diipoNd M (Ak« unwarrantable libertiw,
or to M«ar« to tb«mii«lifM, by combination,
adf antABM R9t oommon to the whole. I never
dreamedtliAt, wb«o ettr mother country was
involved ia war with § foreign power, any
parties ia tbii eoualry would sympathiae withf
our enemiei— r«Joioi in their successes— or|
oorrevpond aad «o-9p«rtt# with their abettonl
in tln)« of Wftf. ^«ar in mind that all this!
was doni l)«fort »ny Protestant Alliance wa
formed. It txeltsd aitonlshment and disgust,!
but WAi iu«( by DO orgnnlxatloo. We we

also enjoi
both youi
the poisoi
bookt ana
circulatii
country.*
Now, ft
published
we hold SI
untrue- 1
to break
upon whU
after, all \
rest, can
that Protc

snritten oa that oh«fk, but soon the blowd n^II-ls*""

oawe in ABOtb«r direction. An armed moli
took BOueiitoB of our publlo works, commit
ted airoelouH mttragM on a body of unoffend
tog ProteMAMti, tb«y were protected by i
Catbolifl eoffiMuAtioti, sarried by perjury an(
intimldatioa through the courts, and then th
boast that all tbiit wiis done In the name o
religioB Wfti buried In our faces ao a warninj
tor tbo futuro. All this was done, and ye
no Protcstttni AtllAuee wns formed. We ha(
been smlttifn ou both cheeks before Protestan
elergymett And layfuen oomblned for self-de
fenoo. All tbii, and more—the Oovcrnmeu
WAN overturnid bseausb some of us veuturec
to deuounoo tK«Me itigults and outrages, an(
to dlnobarge, m pulltioians, our public dutic
with splrl* and iitdttpeiidence. Still the Pro
testant ottrgy ffiovcl not. They were per
baps RtorbUlly mniiitive, lest their motive
might bi Bjliinterpreted. The election passe
over and tii§y moff^ not. At length can
that orowalag oiUraae Atid indecency, what
in midsummer lait, a body of Catholic Prelat
assembled la th« heart of this Protestai
ProviNee«-4enoufleed the scriptures, an
burled deHaaoe at the epiritual guides of tl
great m^m of tb# people. Let me quote
pas«i)ge or two from tn(4r Synodical lettei
fur tho ediflOAtloH of the Solicitor General.

•♦ Tkny mutt bi prtterved from the . thi
and the robb»r, uud the ravening wolvet
htr$»y and immerolity, which threaten the
on evfry tiilg,

** Mvery yoml Vuthotle mutt beprepared
any $nertfii'^ to rmti the impious attempt
forct upon hi» ehitilrtn book* that are da
geroui to thtir faitkor morale. — JVottoepet
of many other ohjeftionatde books which ha
been purehutfd out »f the public funds t
distribution umonyit Catholic children,

PO NOT eONMPlin ¥lt« KHULISU BIBLK, ichc

innumtrublartorihttvebeen admitted by t
most learmd Prottttantt thumselves, to
THK W0li» or mm, tVe do not regard t
tinylinh Protittant vernion as a true, or e
tire copy of Iht Mible, for not only is there
studied eoff option of ttxts, but many of i
Maered Book» art pronounced apocrypht
or omitted attogtthtr, We do not consic

U a prontr book for Catholic Youth, stamp |,g tended i
*'.*/i'.7 '** reprobution of the Church, the lion an(
" With our Hidted voiee and authority 11,^^ g^^
not only giv« yoa this solemn warning as i Protestants
gardf th dangtr of misted schools, bat Eduoationa

should be
from insttl
given expi
ments put
give expr
which I u(
sliall move
fVherea
basis upoi
tion can sa
Resolvet
vince shall
funds, Dnti
that the H<
Testamentt
The hon
Protestants
I cannot a
of Protestai
secured to
the nations
now. Pro!
combine as
United Stai
British Pro
aggressive
(>.^«ased oui
In Upper C
political op
bine, to pr<
and to rebv
sailed. At
Conservatii
phant majo
the influenc
assailed,
speeches de
Hastings to
A few extra
cation givei
oombinatioi
Wallbridge,
♦• When 1
nent, there
with it as a
ncation. f
mon Schoo
Every deno
everything

maoli,b«oaiiw,
that any por-
dittnuted, or
rotable lib«rtiw,
J combination,
whole. I never
ler country was
go power* any
iiympatbiie with
ir BuooeBsea— or
Ith their abetton
Ind that all thia
krit Alliance wai
i«nt and disguat
,tion. We were

also enjoin upon yon the duty of gnarding
both yourselves and your little ones against
the poisonous drug of infidel and immoral
hooks and nswspaperMt which are in daily
circulation even in the remote parte of the
country."

Now, Mr. Speaker, when this letter was
published, this defiance given,'when all that
we hold sacred was treated us reprobate and
untrue — when this open attempt was made
to break down the authority ot that volume
upon which all our hopes «f happiness here-
after, all our religious illierties in this world,
rest, can the Solicitor General be surprised
that Protestants every where should Bee the
soon the blowi necessity of organization ; that those Prelates
An armed rooD ghonld be rebuked and the country protected
works, commit-l ft.(,m insult hereafter. . These Clergymen have
given expression to their feelings iu the docu-
ments put forth by the Alliance. I desire to
*^^'-P^?"J'*ul K''® expression to mine iu the Resolution
"" '*"■ ~ * which I now lay on the table, and which I
shall move at a future day.

Whereas, Christianity is ^iiO only true
basis upon which a sound system of educa-
tion can safely repose.

Resolved, That no school within this Pro-
vince shall be entitled to aid from the public
funds, until it shall have been made to appear
that the Holy Scriptures, of the Old and New
Testaments, are daily read therein.

The hon. Solicitor General tell us, that
Protestants, by combining, never did any good.
I cannot agree with him. By combinations
of Protestants civil and religious liberty was
'he election passe secured to Britain— to Holland, and to all
At length cam the nations upon the Continent that enjoy it
iudecenoy, wh«i| Qoir, Protestants have been compelled to
combine as they are combining here, in the
United States, in Canada, and in all the
British Provinces which surround us. The
aggressive spirit of Catholicity which has
K.-oused our people, is everywhere the same.
In Upper Canada Protestants of all shades of
political opinion have been compelled to com-
bine, to protect their Common School System,
and to rebuke the Priests by whom it was as-
sailed. At the late election Liberals and
Conservatives heartily coalesced, aniJ a trium-
phant majority has been returned hostile to
the influences by which their interests were
assailed. I hold in my hand a report of the
speeches delivered at the great banquet in
Hastings to celebrate the triumph achieved.
A few extracts will suffice to show the provo-
cation given and the reasons there are for

>ody of unoffend
protected by

irts, and then th
in the name o
aces HO a warninf
I done, and ye
Formed. We ha<
before Protestan
blued for self-de
-the Qovernmeu
le of us venture<
id outrages, an(
our public dutic
se. Still the Pro
They were per
lest their motive

f Catholic Prelat
this Protestan

scriptures, an
taal guides of tb

Let me quote

Synodical lette

loitar Qeneral
from the.thi

vtning wolves

ich threaten the

ust be prepared

mpious attempt

ghs that are da

ala.—JVottospei

e books which ha

public funds

lolic children,

iiiSH BiBLK, who oombination and resistance, iu Canada. Mr.

ten tdviitted by i
themselves, to
lo not regard
n as a trve, or
not only is there
, but many of

Wallbridge, says: —

*' When we introduced Responsible Govern-
ment, therefore, we had to introduce along
with it as a necessary adjunct. National Ed-
ucation. For some years the system of Com-
mon Schools prospered in o<ir country. —
unced apocryphi Every denomination was satisfied with them,
*« do not consta everything went on in harmony, and some of
lie Yovth, stamp |,g faQoied we were coming to the time when
of the Church, the lion and the lamb should lie down toge-
and authority ther. Such harmony was there that the
inn warning as i Protestants entrusted the management of the
i schools, bat Educational department to a Roman Catholic

Bishop. Bat by and bje ilMre eane to ihli
country a Roman Catnolie Blihop from a
foreign land, f he had never been aoonstomed
to the workings of free iostitutiona, bat had
been used to having the dictates of the Chnroh
obeyed without the slightest enqoiry. He
was ono who desired to set up the will of the
Church against the liberties of the pecple.—
So long as he confined himself within the
pale of his own Church, we had nothing to
say to him, but when he began to use the
power of his Charch to affect the Protestant
portion of the community, it was time, as a
duty we owed to ourselves and oor children,
to sound the alarm. Parliament, however,
permitted separate schools to go into exis-
tence, and in 1866 an Act waa passed which
put the Roman Catholic separate schools in
precisely the same position as the common
schools in regard to the amotint of money
received. We regretted to see the Roman
Catholics withdraw, for we wished to see our
schools common in fact as they were common
in name. We do not wish two classes of so-
ciety brought up separately to suspect one
another. Well, by the act of 1866, Parlia-
ment granted that indulgence. Did it satis-
fy the parties who demanded it T No ! But
from that time onward there has been a most
firm determination not only to maintain that
law, but to extend it, so as to bring about
the destruction of our common school system.
We accordingly found that a Bill waa intro-
duced, which, had it passed, would most
effectually have snuffed out or common school
system."

Wh^t says another of tlie speakers at this
banquet, Mr. Mowatt, M. P. P.

** We were driven on our side to bring in
the element to which I refer, because our
common' school system was attacked, and
undisguised ho9'riiry towards it proclaimed
by tiie R< ::aan CAtholics. Now, that system
is one in which we glory. We boast indeed
of the material progress our country hai
made. We look with pride on its advancing
population and its increasing wealth, but of
ne.ther of these nor of aught else connected
with the land in whioh we live, are we so
proud, as we are of our sjstem of common
school education. (Cheers.) And it is right
and natural that we should guard it carefully
against all attacks, and that we should closely
watch those who make them. If the^ attack
as Roman Catholics, we surely may if neces-
sary defend as Protestants. Those of our
opponents to whom I allude, frankly tell us
they would very much rather have no system
of public education at all than that which
now exists and which we value so highly.
They would substitute for it a thoroughly de-
nominational system, of which the Separate
Schools we have now are but an illustration.
Such a change would be destructive, and, so
far from yielding to it, for my own part I go
so far in regard to Sectarian Schools, aa to
assert that we should not have even such as
the law now sanctions, bnt that they should
be swept away altogether. (Load oheore.)
We 1(1^ nothing by allowing the law to re-

nab M it Is. Itwuhoptd whm thtt Uw
WM first pMBsd, ftnd it is hoped now by tkose
irl^oaremfftvorofits being Jeft to stand,
thftt the speoinl privileges gifen to Roman
Catholics would haTO the efiieot of saving our
general qrsiem from attack. But it has not
had that effect. (Uear, hear.) Though we
felt the separate school law to be an evil,
vet we submitted to it quietly for a while,
but there is no renson why we should submit
to it any longer, when the reason why we
were asked to submit to it hitherto has proved
to be no reason at all. The permitting Se-
parate Schools to exist has not accomplished
the object of saving our common school sys-
tern from attacks, and, this being so, there
are many reasons why we should oppose them
out and out, not as Protestants merely but as
Canadians — not as Protestants, but as citi-
sens — no( as Protestiint!', but as lovers of
sound education and anxious for its univer-
sal diffusion. (Cheers ) These Separate
Schools are institutions in which an education
is given to those who attend them far inferior,
as you all kuuw, to what is given in the pub-
lic schools; and the consequence is that so
long ps we permit them, so long we deprive
our Roman Cathohc fellow-oitisens of tiie
privileges of an education such as our own
children receive. (Hear, hear.) And it ia
of too much importance to us as citizens, that
all our children, tliose of Roman Catholics
and Protestants alike, should be well educat-
ed, to allow us to sanction a system which
would prevent one class from receiving the
education which the other obtains. (Cheers.)
But the Roman Catholic laity are far more
interested in obtaining the abolition of these
schools than we are. We suffer from any
division in the matter of education, but not
nearly so much as they do; and it wbuld be a
far greater advantage to iheta than to us,
that we should succeed in repealing the sta-
tute under which these schools are establish-
ed. It is thus satisfactory to know that,
while we are compelled to contend, to some
extent, as Protestants, yet we are contending
for what is important to our country in all
its interests, and is especially important to
the Roman Catholics themselves. (Hear,
hear.)"

In New Brunswick also the reading of the
Bible in Schools is becoimng the question of
questions. Let me quote a single passage
from a late paper printed in that Province:

** We all know perftctly well the efforts
which the Catholic Hierarchy have made in
the United States and in Canada, to over-
throw and to destroy the Common School sys-
tem. And we all know that they have signal-
ly failed in the United States, though their
failure is not so signal in Canada. When,
therefore, the Catholic Bishops assembled in
Halifax, put forth their manifesto declaring
•' that no effort should be spared to secure
for them, [the Catholie children] if possible,
the bleesiugs of a thorough Catholic educatioi)
in the schools of the district in which they
live," the public were justified in believing
that an at^mpt would be aiade io this Pro-

Tince whea th« Ooraraawt p r o posad to ro
model the Bohool systom, to iatroduo* the
system ot Separate Btotarian Schools. If this
was not meant by the manifssto It moaot no-
thing, and that it did not mean nothing wms
shown by the language of the Organ of tba
Hierarchy in this City, which told us ia its
usual off-hand tone of imprudenos that it
published the manifesto '* in order thst the
views of the Catholios might b« ulea *!« un-
derstood and that trouble miyht be av tieii,"
Of course no one can doubt that by 'MroubU"
was meant the opposition to the OovenimeDt
measure, of all whom the organ of tbo Hier-
archy could influence, provided the Govern-
ment measure did not permit of the disposal
of the publiu money in such a way that by
its means *'the blessings of a thorough Catho-
lic education" could Ira obtained. We shall
be much mistaken if the Government will not
run the risk of the organ's continued and
more bitter opposition.

"But, perhaps en that score the government
need fear little opposition. Seeing that the
whole Protcbtant population, and a large
portion of the Catholics who put not their
faith in Hierarchs, are united In their deter-
mination to have Common Schools. It is more
than probable that for the present, at least,
the manifesto will be a dead letter. The ene-
my, however, that is not to be attacked bold-
ly in front may, by a cunning general, be
divided and attacked in detail. Whether this
"dodge" will answer remains to be seen.
The last manoeuvre is to get up a ery against
direct taxation, to accuse the Oovornment of
a desire to make places, by means of a School
Bill. Of course, if disseution oao be sowed
in the ranks of those who will support the
Common School system, by defeating the
Government on the details of their bill, that
will be attempted. What those details are
DO one out of the Cabinet can know, and, it
is therefore premature to speak con ieming
details. But we warn all Protestants and
Liberal Catholics not to be misled by . the
Jesuitical attempt of the Organ of the Hierar-
chy, to distract public attention from the
main point at issue in the School question.
For Protestants and Liberal Catholics tbe
question is Common Schools or Separate
Schools?"

Is it not clear then that tbe aggressive
spirit, displayed by tbo Catholic Priests all
over the continent, has created and is creating
the necessity for Protestant activity and or-
ganization? The Solicitor General fanoitie
thitt this Alliance will nut last, perhaps not,
but he may be mistaken. So long as the
spirit displayed at Oourlay's Bh.<\nty is ram-
pant here — so long as treason to our sovereign
is openly preached and rewarded >-so long as
Governments are thrown down that Catholios
may show their power or gratify their re-
venge, so long will this Alliance endure
When the necessities in which it originated
have passed away, if they ever do, it may
pass away also. But the learned gentleman
may be assured that this " moostroos" oo»*
binatioD^as he was piieaied to oall it, will Uk-

dure ant

gentlema

let me r

home, ha

selves, h

the Jews

But, I

Protestai

tio.4. Wi

deeply ii

Province,

no famili(

dabbling

be? Are .

see treo*

heads bro

going un|

and Tnsiil

hold theii

their flocli

and form

The Pr<

many cod

at my hai

one respec

ever hear

mentioned

fereooes t

clergymen

ber. Thei

parison in

gentlemen

character i

malignity ;

unrivalled

likely so to

that it will

He told u

up for a ye

last, the b

nothing to

mate of tl

quence. A

by the expl

a good man

it, but no o

the learned

noise and ti

portion to tl

formed the ;

the Press, i

8pare#lieitb

tures to put

upon the tal

attacti's, ten

one that he

icotian. In

the impressa

time, a modi

tioal refinen

But, sir, t

good deal fai

a defaulter, ;

sundry othe

tary. I feai

indecorum.

on the install

was appropri

t was not p&

ittle time uf

opoNdto n
atroduM the
Itooli. irtbii
it mMOt no-
nothiog WHt
Ornn oftb*
tolu ui ia its
d«oo0 that It
rdtrthat the
« uIm '*.« UD-
bt av litd.**
by ••iroubl***
« Ootenineat
n of the Hler-
i tlieOovera-
r tliediipofltkl
% m$,y (bat b/
orouali Catho-
Ki. W« sbali
am«Dt will not
30utluu«d and

he goTcrnment
eeiug thattbe
and a large
put not tbelr
in their deter*
Mil. It is more
isent, at least,
tter. Theene-
! attacked bold-
iff general, be
Whether this
)• to be seen,
p a ery against
Oovornment of
lauB of a School
can be sowed
11 support the
def«Ating the
their bill, that
)8e details are
I know, and, it
»k conieming
roteetants and
misled by. the
of thi! Hierar-
ion from the
shool question.
Catholics tne
or Separate

the Aggressive
ic Priests Ml
and is creating
stivity and or*
eneral fancite

perhaps not.
Ho long as the
hAnty is ram-
our sovereign
ed -«eo long as

that Catholios
jtify their re-
liance endure

it originated
^r do, it may
aed gentleman
ostrooi" ooB»*
call it, will ea-

dure aatil its work is done. As the learned

Gntleman seems fond of Hebrew illustrations,
; me remind him that the Catholios, at
home, having secured emancipation for them-
selves, have recently combined to deny it to
the Jews.

But, the Solicitor General tells us that
Protestant clergymen should keep out of poli-
t\e». Why? are they less intelligent, or less
deeply interested in the prosperity of the
Provinee, than Catholic Priests, Who have
BO families, no sooinl ties, and yet are ever
dabbling in politics wherever they happen to
be T Are Protestant ministers to stand by and
see treason preached — education perilled —
heads broken — graves violated, and criminals
going unpunished T Are tliey to bear scoffing
and insult — to see their Bible denounced, and
bold their handfi, while Catholic Priests lead
their flocks up to the hustings and overturn
and form Governments as they please?

The Provincial Secretary paid me a good
many compliments, and deserves some notice
at my bands. His speech was certainly, in
one respect, the mo8t extraordinary that I
ever heard delivered in this Assembly. He
mentioned the names of, or made pointed re-
ferences to, 48 individuals, eight or ten
clergymen and myself being among the num-
ber. There may have been degrees of com-
parison in our demerits, but I appeal to the
gentlemen who heard him. if he left a rag of
character to one of the 43 7 For sourrillity,
malignity and defamation — bis speech stands
unrivalled by any others lever heard, and is
likely so to stand, for it is not at all probable
that it will become a model for imitation.

He told us that his mouth had been " 'saled
up for a year ;" but really when opened at
last, the breaking of the seventh seal was
nothing to it, if we are to take his own esti-
mate of the destructive power of his elo-
quence. A good deal of noise may bo made
by the explosion of a bottle of gingc-beer ;
a good many dresses are sometimes soiled by
it, but no other harm is done. And so, when
the learned gentleman uncorked himself, the
noise and the nostiness were out of all pro-
portion to the damage. (Laughter.) He in-
formed the House that I once "prostituted"
the Press, and in conducting a newspaper
Bpare<9beitber sex nor age. But if he ven-
tures to put files of the Colonist or Catholic
upon the table, I will find him ten personal
attack's, ten foul words, in either of them for
one that he can discover in the old JVova-
tcotian. Indeed, I have always been under
the impresssion that that paper was, in my
time, a model of elegant literature and poli-
tloal refinement. (Laughter.)

But, sir, the Provincial Secretary went a
good deal farther. He charged me with being
a defaulter, and did me the honor to apply
ittudxy other epithets not very complimen-
tary. I fear that he tempted me into some
indecorum. The language I applied to him,
on the instant, was the only language that
was appropriate, and I can only regret that
It was not parliamentary. I shall waste but
little time upon his charges. As Collector

of Excise I collected and paid over £88,000.
£4780 passed through my hands as Commis-
sioner for building the Telegraph and for In-
dian Affairs. As Treasurer of the Casual
Revenue, I collected and disburaed £14,816 ;
and as Chairman of the Railway Board, I ex-
pended £604,^88. These sums amount to
£661,i)&l, more than half a million of money.
Now I defy the Provincial Secretary to shew
one fraudulent figure in all the accounts of
thjse receipts and expenditures, or to trace
one shilling of all this public money into my
pocket by " any indirection." If he could,
sir, I should have heard firom the Attorney
General long ago, and not from the Provin-
cial Secretary. The latter seems indignant
because I never prosecuted any body for de-
famation. A nice life I should have had,
had I brought actions against every body
that abused me, or criticised by public con-
duct. For twenty ^ears I have lived through
storms of calumny, and never prosecuted a
printer or a political opponent in my life.
The Doctor knows this right well, and knows
also that I never intend to. But one action
was ever brought against me during the
twelve years of my connexion with the Press,
and in that case the parties were in the
wrong. A public man, who can only main-
tain his character by the terror of the law,
will never stand very high in public estima-
tion. But now, sir, let me ask the otteotion
of the House to some curious facts. If I am
a defaulter now, I must have been one when
I left office in 1844. If I am guilty of
any of the ofifenees with which I am charged
by the Provincial Secretary, they were com-
mitted prior to 1 855. Now, sir, I ask the
Provincial Secretary, in presence of this
House and of the country, how it happened
that, in the session of 1855, he came fawning
upon me, with any quantity of pretty names
and laudatory speeches, to induce me to over-
throw the Government and .t myself 'at the
head of a new one, of whic.^ no was to be a
supporter if not a member 7 Let him also
explain how it happened that, when I spurn-
ed his preposition, as incompatible with my
personal honor and the obligations I owed to
my friends, he came back a second time, and
ofiiered to the man he now slanders carte
blanche to lead him where he pleased, one
stipulation only being made, that Mr. John-
ston should be Chief Justice 7 If I am a bad
man now, I was a bad man then. There is
no offence Trhich has been charged which does
not bear an earlier date. And what shall be
said of the man who, knowing these charges
to be false, slanders me now, or believing
them true, would, two yer.rs ago, have made
me Provincial Secretary uid leader of the
Government T If he believed then what he
say? now, his conduct was more despicable
than I have language to describe.

The Provincial Secretary has a high res-
pect for an individual, wno I have never call-
ed a 4efitulter. Now I find on the pubUo
journals of this country a resolution to this
effect:

" fVherwi the Hon. AlwaaderStewart, n

MMttr of the Bolli, dnM hit tppointmrnit to
that offioo, ooDtrary to the aboTo and only
dwiiion'of the local Legislature on this sob-
leot, has drawn tlie sum of £060 sterling
InHtend of that of £560 allowed by the Bill of
1844 " as and for the Salary of that olfioe:"
t)eing the sum of £90 sterling or £112 lOs.
onrrency annually more than he was entftled
to acoonling to the terms on which he ae-
oepted offioe.

There tore, Retolced, That it is the opinion
of this House that the sum of £112 IC^. an-
nually, which has now been piiid for nearly
two years, has been improperly drawn and
reoeived in payment of the Salary of the
Master of the Bulls, and should be again re-
funded and paid to the Treasurer of the
Casual and Territorial Revenue of this Prov-
ince."

Now suppose that the ProTiucial Secretary
could find on the public records such a reso-
lution as that, true or false, aimed at the
learned member for Inverness, or at myself,
would we ever hear the lost of it 7 It being
there, just or unjust, it should have shown
him how easy a thing it is to prefer an accu-
sation — it should have taught him modera-
tion, in dealing with the men in various parts
of the Province, who he has stigmatized, be-
cause perhaps they have mistalten their rights,
or been found with a ftftr pounds of public
money in their poolcets.

Had the Provincial Secretary honored me
only with his notice I should not perhaps have
addressed the House again. But he has de-
famed other gentlemen, who are not here to
defend themselves. Among them one, who,
for many reasons, might have been spared.
Sir, a more able, honorable and distinguished
man, never graced the floor of this Assembly,
than my late lamented friend the Honorable
James Boyle Uniaclce. His noble form, easy
deportment, graceful manners, and ready
flow of language, are familiar to many who
listen to me to-day. No man who ever grap-
pled with him, as I did in the early part of
my life, would under estimate his powers. A
mind ever fruitful — a tongue ever eloquent —
humor inexhaustible, and pathos which few
could resist, were among the gifts or attain-
ments of my honorable friend. His colloquial
powers were even more marvellous than
his forensic or parliamentary displays.
He charmed the Senate by his eloquence, but
how delightful was he when surrounded
by a knot of friends, beneath the gallery or
seated at the head of his own hospitable
board. How often have I thought, when

feeting abroad the choice spirits of both
ntinents, how rare it was to find a man in
i respects a match for James Boyle Uniacke.
But he was not only distinguished as a legis-
lator. His means and his intellect were em-
barked in every enterprise which promised
the advancement of the common interest, or
the growth of public spirit. He took an ac-
tive part in the ijitroduotion of gas and water
i&to this city, and was President of both Com-
paniiea for a time. He built the Penitentiary
led throQgh this House by his

influenoe. He aided u« in dereloplng and
practically working the new constitution, and
ne gave to the great public works now in pro-
gresi his steady support.

Such was the man, sir, to whom and to the
'management of whose Department, foul lan-
guage has been applied here by members
of the government, even at ^he very mo-
ment when my honorable and learned friend
was in the agonies of death. The Sepoy and
the Savage, it is true, torture their victims
in that hour, but a christian warrior tarns
(torn them with disgist or slays them for their
barbarity. The hawk a;nd the kite may peek
out the eyes of the noble steed who has run
his course, even while the heart is still pal-

Fitating and the blood is warm. What shall
say of such foul birds as the Provincial
Secretary and the hon. member for Victoria,
who have settled upon the reputation of my
departed friend, even while his great heart
was breaking nnd his noble spirit was wing,
ing its upward flight. >Vhat need be saia T
We all knew him and we know them. A ser-
pent may crawl over the statue of Apollo,
but the beautiful proportions of the marble
will yet be seen beaeath the slime. — (Cheers)
That my friend may have had his errors I
am not here to deny, but I rejoice that, what-
ever they were, God in his infinite mercy,
and not man in his maliginity, is hereafter to
be his judge.

When failing health made it desirable for
Mr. Uniacke to retire ttom the active duties
of the Crown offioe, and ^he leadership of the
Qovernment, he was appointed to the land
office, over which he presided for four years.
The coarest terms have been applied to that
Department while under his charge, and
language used here, of which the members of
Government who employ^ it ought to be
ashamed. [Here some explanations were
offered by the Provincial Secretary, and by
hon. Charles Campbell,) who disclaimed any
intention to disparage Mr. Uniacke. Mr.
Howe continued.] He was bound to accept
their disclaimers, and glad that they were
made. But the Provincial Secretary had
spoken o f the management of the land office
as " feeble and incompetent,*' and had
charged " fraud and incompetency "^n an-
other passage. The member for VictOTia had
spoken of the lan(| office, while Mr. Uniacke
presided over it, bear in mind, as "a nuisanct
and a curse." Whether this language wng
meant to be applied to Mr. Uniacke or to his
office Mr. Howe would proceed to show that it
was deserved by neither, during the four
years that that gentleman had administered
the Crown Estate :

[Mr. H«we here produced the official Be-
turns, and compared the state of the Crown
land Department, during the incumbencies
of Mr. Morris and of Mr. Uniacke. During
the 24 years that Mr. Morris had charge of th«
Crown lands he had granted but 868,068 acre
while Mr. Uniacke had granted 247,947 acre
in four years. From 1 842 1 o 1 852 the arerag
quantity granted in each year did not ex
eeed 28,711 acres, while from 1854 to 186'

the avei

more w<
t'lan by
ber ofg
during I
had beei
1854 to
pect of t
duoe R(
1828 to
had bee
f^om 18
£11.291
Uniacke
about £(
lands hi
Uniaoke,
sum, in i
been abh
entire 24
a Deputj
some smi
the defal
these, ab(
made, coi
had been
■um of £!
the first t
had the i
been mad
of Revent
What, f
. against th
or of aoci
Mr. Hend
not; and I
the field i
that the ii
of the de{
they are n
amount of
ed shows!
I know th(
Land claiE
went out
eame back
the Deputi
true, Mr.
Hamilton «
Mr. Morrii
1863. If
it could on
Mr. Unittcl
parent the
ealled to si
nenburg ca
gation. I
Speaker,
and official
unmerited
I will
No longe
Or dr
ab
There th(
The bo
Let me n
tion of the
public servi
friend, who

Tcloping Md
stUution, and
u now in pro-

om and to the
ant, foul lan-
I by memben
Ihfl very mo-
carned friend
he SepoT and
their victims
warrior turne
them for their
l(ite may peok
who has ran
rt is still pal-
1. What ohall
the Provincial
or for Victoria,
>atation of my
is great heart
pirit was wing-
aeed be said!
r them. A ser-
tue of Apollo,
of the marble
ime— (Cheers)
id his errors I
oiee that, what-
infinite mercy,
r, is hereafter to

i it desirable for
le active duties
eadership of the
ted to the land
for four years,
applied to thut
s charge, and
the members of
it ought to be
>1anation8 were
retary, and by
disclaimed any
Jaiacke. Mr.
lound to accept
that they were
Secretary had
the land office
nt," and hud
etency "^n an-
for Viotona had
i Mr. Uniacke
as "a nuisanct
I language wag
niaoke or to bis
d to show that it
uring the four
d administered

the official Re

te of the Crown
incumbencies

jiacke. Durini
ad charge of th(
ut 868,068 acre!

ed 247,947 acre
852 the averag
lar did not ex
m 1854 to 185

the avtrag* wai 61 ,084. To prove how moob
more work had been done by Mr. Uniaoke
t'lan by Mr. Morris he contrasted the nr.m-
ber of grants issued, which averaged but 198
during the latter's last ten years, while 888
had been annually issued by the former from
1854 to 1857. Looking at the financial as-
pect of the Department, and its power to pro-
duce Revenue, he showed that while from
1828 to 1888 but £1754, or £250 per annum,
had been paid in by Mr. Morris. While,
from 1841 to 1858 he had paid over but
£11,291, or about £1129 per annum, Mr.
Uniacke had paid in 4 yean £20,815, or
about £6708 per annum. In fact the Grown
lands had been made • to produce, by Mr.
Uniaoke, in four years, more than twice the
sum, in solid revenue, that Mr. Morris had
been able to extract from them during the
entire 24 years of his incumbency. Though
a Deputy or two might have misbehaved, or
some small amount might have been lost by
the defalcation of subordinates, what were
these, about which so much fuss had been
ma<le, compared with the great results which
had been achieved— compared with the large
sum of £26,815 paid into the Treasury 7 For
the first time in the history of the Province
had the Grown lands, under Mr. Uniaoke,
b«en made a permanent and available source
of Revenue].

What, then, Mr. Speaker, are the charges
. against the Department ? A want of science
or of accuracy T There is no such charge.
Mr. Hendry is scientific if Mr. Uniaoke was
not; and I am prepared to show not only that
the field work is done with great care, but
tliat the internal arrangement and economy
of the department were never so perfect as
they are now. Is delay complained of? The
amount of grants issued and work despatch-
ed shows there can be no such complaint; but
I know that, under the former management,
Land claims left before the Gounoil when I
went out in 18H were still there when I
camo back in 1848. But, it is said, some of
the Deputies have done wrong. If this be
true,' Mr. Uniacke is not to blame ; Mr.
Hamilton and Mr. Logan were appointed by
Mr. Morris in 1852, and Mr. Thompson in
1858. If either wore deserving of censure,
it could only be because they had disobeyed
Mr. Uniacke 's instrnctiqM ; and it is ap-
parent that the momenHjbtis attention was
ealled to suspicious cirouontances, in the Lu-
nenburg case, he at once ordered an investi-
gation. I trust I have now said enough, Mr.
Speaker, to vindicate t**: public character
and official acts of my lamented fHend from
unmerited imputations. Having done so,
I will

No longer seek his merits to disclose.
Or draw his frailties from their dread
abode ;

There they alike in trembling hope repose.
The bosom of his father and his Go^l:

Let me now, Mr. Ghairman, ask the atten-
tion of the House to another Branch of tlit
public service, and to the acts of another old
iViend, whose oonduot and whose works hnve

been this Mnlon radclj Miailed. The Hon.
Hugh Bell, since he grew to bum's estate,
has lived for half a century in this com-
nunitv, respected for his integrity and bo-
norabfe dealings, yet advantrge was taken of
some error in accounts, ranging over some
£120,000 to blow upon his oliaraoter. The
founder of an Institution, honorable to hu-
manity, he has been arraigned here because
some defects have been discovered in the
masonry, as though he had robbed a Ghnrch.
Let me do justice to my honorable friend, who
is not here to defend himself. Self-eduoated,
but highly intelligent, a natural orator, with
an independent spirit, Mr. Bell was selected
by his fellow oitiiens and returned to this
House without opposition. How he demeaned
himself, we all know. Ever mild and gentle-
manlike—never savage or vindictive, — gene-
rous, fluent and sincere — true so his friends,
but courteous to his opponents, he commanded
great esteem; and, when elevated to the Up-
per branch, did not leave an enemy behind
him. The children that he has bred are,
among onr citizens, remarkable for their cor-
rectness of conduct, their integrity and in-
telligence. Mr. Bell was selected to occupy
a'seat in the Executive Gounoil, and placed at
the head of the Board of Works by.the 8pon-
taneous action of his friends. Personal dis-
tinction or advantage he never sought. He
never thought of himself when offices were
to be given away. He thought only of the
Insane. One measure was always uppermost
in his mind, and he only cared for office or
lingered in it that he might carry that mea-
sure, and establish an Asylum for the relief
of those whom, for his own inscrutable pur-

foses, the Almighty has deprived of reason,
t wasoarried at last, and the Asylum, reared
under the general superintendance of my
honorable friend, is now nearly completed —
an ornament to this harbor — and the hope of
the friends of the afflicted in all parts oi; the
Province. On the change of Government,
Mr. Bell was removed from his office. Of
this he did not, nor did his friends, complain.
But the gentlemen opposite were not content
to enjoy the patronage thus seised upon —
they immediately commenced to blacken my
worthy friend's Reputation. For twelve
months they have been at this precious work,
and, if we were to credit half they have said
and written, we would suppose that fraud
and incompetency had characterized all his
proceedings— that the Lunatic Asylum, after
costing twice as much as it ought, was about
to tumble down.

Now, in the first place, let me observe that,
in all the earlier stages of this work, Mr.
Bell consulted Miss Dix, a lady who haejE-
voted her life to the amelioration of the ^n-
dition of the Insane, who has visited all the
Asylums in Europe and America, and has
had more practical experience than any man
on this continent. That lady did us the
honor to come into this Province and give ns
the benefit of her knowledge. By her advice
ipy fHend selected the site of the Aqrlum,
and a more beaatlAil or appropriate one

oouH not b« ftmnd In Nora Sootin. She
Miectfld and fcrwarded the plant after which
the edlfloe haa been built. If, than, Mr. Uell
ireut to the fonntain head for information,
and got the beat, who ia tliere who will ven-
ture to aaaert that he did wrons T

But, it has been euid that Mr. Chambers,
the Huperiniendant, waa intempernto and in>
competent. I do not believe that he waa
either ; but what 1 do believe ia, that thla
peraon, whatever hia faults may have been,
has been hardly treated, and has been dis-
missed from the publio service without a fair
chance of self-defence. Mr. Chambers
brought with him ttom C/anada a certificate
which I hold in my hand, and in which the
military officers, under whom he served,
there testistV :

•• Mr. Robert Chambers, who has been em-
ployed in this department for nearly three
years, has conducted himself with diligence,
attention and sobriety."

Here is a certificate, signed by Mr. Thomas
Goudge, of the Engineer Department, a re-
specter! member of the community, known to
us all, who says :

'• I have known Mr. Robert Chambers
since 1850, and it affords me pleasure to give
titis testimonial as to the general propriety of
his conduct and character — his practical ao-
(]uirements as an architect are of a very re-
Bpec table order."

In 1855 Mr. Chambers produced to Mr.
Bell a oertificate, which I also hold in my
hand, signed by Captain Barry, and by the
Clark of the Works in the Royal Engineer
Department, and in which they declare that
he is "competent to undertake the general
superintendance and direction of any build-
ings or works. Ho is a good mechanical and
architectural Draughtsman, fully experienced
in prcpaviug the general, working, detail
plans and sections of buildings and ground."
They also certify that he is an excellent
••judge of masonry and of all kinds of artifi-
cers' work," and that he is "steady, zealous
and confidential."

Messrs. Peters, Blaiklock & Peters, the
builders of the New Barracks, also say that
Mr. Chambers was fifteen months in their
employ, and that " it affords them pleasure
to testify to the general propriety of his con-
duct." "As regards his professional abili-
ties, they consider him quite competent to
undertake the charge of any buildings given
him to superintend." While in their em-
ploy " he had a general charge of the works
then in progress."

Will it be asserted, then, that Mr. Bell did
wrong, even if Mr. Chambers be in fault, in
employing a man so certified and recommend-
ed ? I hold his drawings in my hand, and
his working plans could be produced, proving
his knowledge of his profession. But it has
been said that the building is def^tWe — that
the lime was bad, and the sand woroe^— that
the bricks cost £6 or £6 per thousand, and
that but for a loose wall that the pre^nt go- \^ to us.
vemment have built outside, the building
would have tnoibled down. [Mr. Howe then

prooee<1ed to show that all theie ohargei were

irrossly exaggerated, or entirely dcatitute of
oundation. lie produced—

Ist. A letter ft-om Mr. Robert Davit, ad-
dressed to the Chairman of the Committee
appointed to investigate hia claims, in which
Mr. Davis rebutted the statements that had
been made injurious to the cliaracter of hia
work, and to his own reputation ait a mechanic.

'Jnd. A certificate, signed bv Mr. Robert
Malcom, Henry A. Wriglit and William Fin-
lay, two of them sworn city surveyors, and
experienced master mechanics, and tlie other
an arcliitcct of high character; who declare
that " the materials UHe<l in the Asylum ai'e
of the best quality, ">and that " the work haa
been performed in a good, aubstantial and
workmanlike manner." This certificate was
especially vnluablc, because the characters
and experience of these men were known to
us all, and because one of them had been a
competitor with Mr. Davit for this very work.
Of the sloping wall, built by the Government,
these persons say : " We are of opinion that
it is of no practical benefit, and having been
done HO late in the season, thereby exposing
the footings of the wall to the action of the
weather, would have a tendency seriously to
injure the work."

8. A certificate fk-om James Sinnott, Senr.
well known to the whole community, showing
that the lime used was of the best quality of
brown lime, made of Chester stone, and burnt
at Dartmouth.

4. Accounts of expenditure, showing that
the bricks had cost £2 Ids. Od. per thouaand,
instead of £5 or £6 as had been asserted. Two
certificates ofmaster builders proving that ttie
bricks were of a very superior quality, and
finally, amidst roars of laughter, Mr. Howe
produced two or three of the bricks themselvea
which nobody in their presence would ven-
ture to disparage.

He also h tnded in Mr. Chamber's nnawera
to 11 questions put to him by the Govern-
ment, which he only regretted had been
too long (lelayed, but which were candidly
expressed, and in the main satisfactory.

This, then, is the work that we have heard
so much abused. This is the man that the
Provincial Secretary has venttired, because
he is comparatively poor and friendless, to
style " intemperalMand incompetent" Mr.
Chambers may tafllMhis glass, and I assume
he does, as neai^ all the engineers, and
architects, and mechanics in England do, men
who have done the work and built the modern
wonders of the world. But what then, do not'
membera of the Government do the same, and
if they are fit for their work why should he
not be fit for his 7 ■!,„ ---Hin» J

These details are tedious, Mr. Speaker, but ,ad nJt re *

"ther topics.

The Ron pj

imself in cei

»d policy, I

lebate, nor vi

tary will himself grow old, and if he does, I f* '^°?*^ ' "
hope he may have aerved the country with

hair the

* ble Mtn

utef\il li;

will be t

talentt a

human a

waa expn

which th

thing. ]

fbativitv,

fax anu o

appointed

tion atone

upon that

oeremonie

an oocaaic

amount w

if it had b

Iw borne li

my venera

aidofthia

trusted to

larly appli

dividual, v

attraotedfb

publio appi

t^nds abou

hear no mo

tations as v

lum will be

nor to this

Admlniatra

as it does %i

will be re

respect.

The Houa
standing thi
dress on the

Mi*. Howe
'eapitulation
tiie Land Of
previous daj
which he ha
the table tha
We have alri
the whole.
Asylum, he i
one of the m(
dustrious m
built the Bai
Bjotia Bank,
Dther of our
itructures.
lid not conta
irork and int
and was al
Ir. Davis to
aceessfully i
iQoe to the A

this defence was necessary. It was due to my
old friend, and it was but just to the compa-
ratively friendless architect, who I could not
see ruthlessly trampled upon, as if reputation
was not as dear to him as it is and ought to
By and bye the Provincial Secre-

Involving thia

target w«t«
dcatitute at

Davii, wl-
I Conimittc*
ts, in which
its that had
■iioter of his
a Dicchanio.
Mr. Robert
filUam Fin-
veyotH, and
lul tlie other
who deolare
Asylum aw
the work has
stantial an(l
irtiftoate was
le oharacUTS
re known to
had been a
lis very work.
Qoverument,
opinion that
having been
eby exposing
action of the
f seriously to

Sinnott, Scnr.
unity, showing
est quality of
one, and burnt

showing that
per thousand,
asserted. Two
•oving that the
quality, and
ter, Mr. Howe
icks themselves
e would ven-

balf the fidelity and honor which my venera-
ble Arlend has exhibited in every phase of his
usefiil life: whose monument, when He dies,
will be this Lunatlo Asylum, raised by his
talents and exertions for the alleviation of
human mlserv. >Ve wore told, sir, that £300
was expanded In some Mort of celebration, of
which tho Oovcniment of the day know no-
thing. This is not true. A day of general
festivity, In honor of the foundation of Hali-
fax and of the close of the llu&sian war, was
appointed by the tiovornmcnt. The founda-
tion stone of the Lunatlo Asylum was laid
upon that day. £'MM) wore expended In the
ceremonies and foMtlvitles appropriate to such
an occasion lu all British cummunlties. The
amount was paid by the Board of Works. But
If It had been wasted, which it wus not, let il
1)0 borne In mind that £!iO(i liad been given by
my venerable friend out of his own pocket in
aid of this Asylum. That £'J00 hiis been en-
trusted to him by ono gentleman to be siiui-
larly applied: and that another benevolent In-
dividual, whose attention hiul no doubt been
attraoted«by my old friend's speeches and
public appeals, has bequeathed towards its
t^inds about £12 or £14U0 more. Let us then
hear no more such slanders and misrepresen-
tations ns we have had. The Lunatic Asy-
lum will be standing, an ornament and an ho-
nor to this country, long after the present
Administration has been forgotten: and so long
as it doesltand, the name of my old friend
will be remembered with veneration and
I respect.

The House here adjourned with the under-
I standing that Mr. Howe should close his ad-
dress on the morrow.

iber's answers
the Oovem-
ted had been
were candidly
isfaotory.
we have heard
man that the
red, because
friendless, to
petent" Mr.
and I assume
in{(ineer8, and
gland do, men
lit the modern
lat then, do not
the same, and
hy should he

p. Speaker, but

was due to my

I to the compa-

TiiuRBDAT, April 1.

Mr. Howe occupied some time with a re-

'oapitulation of his arguments, in reference to

tlie Land Office and Lunatic Asylum, of the

previous day, enumerating the documents to

which he had referred, and laying them on

the table that members might refer to them.

We haTe already condensed the substance of

the whole. Of Mr. Davis, the builder of the

Asylum, he felt it his duty to say, that be was

me of the most upright, trustworthy and in-

ustrious mechanics in this city. Ho had

|built the Bank of British America, the Nova

''ootia Bank, the Market House, and many

ther of our most elegan^aud substantial

'ructures. There was scarcely a street that

d not contain somo evidence of his hundi-

ork and integrity. Mr. Howe then referred

and was about to read a letter addressed by

r. Davis to the select committee, in which he

ucoessfully vindicates his conduct in refer-

inoe to the Asylum. Mr. Wade objected to

' e reading of the letter, as the committee

lad net reported, and Mr, Howe passed on to

her topics.

. The Hon. Provincial Secretary has indulged

[ho I could not limself in certain strictures upon my Rail-

if reputotion ^^ti policy, not called for by the scope of this

and ^o'^B^ *** ebate, nor very accurate. He has argued

ivinoial Secre- ,8 though I and I alone had ever thought of

country with

if he does, I nrolting this country in heavy expencfitures

on account of Aailways. It ii true that I first
oalled attention to .be praotioability and in-
nortanco of a Railway to Windsor in 188fi,
but abandoned the scheme for many years,
as at that time premature. SubHcquentlpr,
many of our leading men, on all sides of pon-
tics, Mr. Cogswell, Mr. George R. Young,
Mr. James and Mr. Crufton Uniaoke, and
many others, embarko<l in the interoolonial
scheme, and thr, iiubllo revenues of Ibis
country were pledged to the extent of £26,000

f>er annum, for 20 years, with ten milea of
and in aid of that enterprize. When that
failed I fell back upon the Windsor road, apd,
If allowed to have oonstnioteJ It In 1850 It
would hav«costbut£400,000, would havebeen
long slnoe finished, a cheap experiment would
have been tried, and the burthen upon our
revenues would have been light, even if it
dilnotpay. But Mr. Johnston, Mr. Uniaeke,
and other leading public men, went on to th«
Portland Convention. They came back, full
of entliusi ism for vreiU interoolonial projects,
and nothing would contemd them but the
ovcrl'ind route through New Brunswick, to
which they had •been pledged at Portland.
£24,000 per annum, let it be borne in mind,
would have tried the safe experiment of a
Railroad to Windsor, and a larger lam than
this, for 20 years mind, had been gi anted iur
the Quebeo line several years bef >re. When
the delegtites returned fk-om Portland the
Windsor line was saouted, and a great meet-
ing was held at Temperance Hall in aid of
the European line. I attended that meMing,
and there, for the first time, propounded the
policy since so sucoessful here, and wbicli,
after a vain struggle to do otherwise, has
been foroed upon the Province of New Brans-
wick. At that meeting the delegates were
f\ill of enthusiasm, but not one of them could
tell us how the uioney was to be raised to
build five miles of the road they advocated.
Then it was that I showed that Maine, Nova
Sootia and New Brunswiok, were all too poor
to raise the funds i equired by subscriptions of
stock, and that, without such subscriptions, it
was folly to suppose that stock could be sold
in England. Besides, if it could, as it was
clear that the road would not pay, it would
not be honest to ask the Capitalists of Eng-
land to put their money into an euterprize
into which wo would not put our own. I
suggested the only alternative, that the Pro-
vinces should pledge their public revenues,
obtain the guarantee of the Imperial Qoveru-
ment, if they could, borrow the mon^ hon^
estly and take the risk of the adventure.
This suggestion was received with aoolama-
tion, by every man, with a single exception
I believe, in the room, of all political parties.
This suggestion embodied my policy, which
all felt to be sound, at that time, and to which
Nova Scotia, (except for one period when she
lest a year by trying Mr. Johnston's experi-
ments,) has ever since adhered. For this
policy, whether it succeed or fail, I am res-
ponsible — the glory or the shame of it is mine,
and I am content to wait for the results.
Had the Imperial guaranteeu been obtained.

we Blionld have got two millions of money for
the oo8t of one. I did my best to get it, while
others laboured to thwart and prevent me.
I toiled for two years to unite the Provinces,
and the British government, in a British
American Railway policy. Had I suooeeded,
by this time there would have an Inter Co-
lonial Highway, on British territory, open
from Halifax to the ffcstern boundary of
Canada. Bat self-interest and powerful con.-
nezions were brought to bear upon the enter-

Srize. Canada and New Brunswiolc were
anded over to the great Contractors. The
results arc before us. Canada has had to
pay £3,000,000 sterling, for which she has
so security. New Brunswick , after wasting
two years, had to buy otf the Contractors at a
cost of £90,000 and adopt our policy. The
Provinces have all had to make their roads
with money at 6 per cent, instead of 3i, and
to make them in the war period when labour
and provisions were high. The blame of all
this must rest upon those who raisid the ob-
structions, isolated the Provinces, and wasted
precious time.

But the Provincial Secretary desires t.>»e
House to believe that I mystified and deceived
the country as to the cost of Railroads. This
Is not true. In all mj negociations with Earl
Qrey I assumed Major Robinson's estimate as
the basis of calculation. When I moved the
resolution to provide for the Windsor Railroad
in 1850 I took as the basis the (Stimates of
Wightman and Chesborough made by order
' of the Legislature.

Hie belief, that railroads could be made
much cheaper in America than they had been,
did not originate with me. When Mr.
Chandler and myselfwent to Canada in 1851,
we found the leading members of the Cana-
dian Government, relying chiefly, I believe, on
information collected by Mr. Keefer, impres-
sed with the belief, that, at the then rates of
labour and provisions, railroads might be
made for about £5000 sterling a mile. The
St. Andrews Road, then in course of construc-
tion, had been let for less. About the same
time Mr. Robert Chambers, of Edinburgh,
who came to this country, assured us that the
Peebles railroad, in which he and his brother
were largely interested, would cost no more;
and shortly after Messrs. Sykes, King and
Brookfield came forward and offered to con-
struct our Main line for £5200 per mile. I
acted, then, from time to time, on the latest
Information that could be obtained. I was
not an Engineer, and could make no calcula-
tions. What I did was to assume that those
who had had experience kne^ what they
were about. If I have been deceived, it is
apparent that those who were the best in-
formed were equally abroad in their calcula-
tions.

Per mile,
estimate, in

£8750

7835

8125

6500

mile of Railroad located

in my life, and my business was to get tba
work (lone as cheaply as 1 could. But mis-
takes are every day made by Architects and
Engineers. Our Canal was to be completed
for £10,000. It has cost £26,000; and
£17,000 more are required to finish it, I
hold in my hand a certificate, on wbfoli
Messrs. Peters St, Blaiklock base a large claim
upon the British Government, tor bi^ilding
the new Barracks, and in which all the En-
gineers and Builders in the city eertify that
labor and materials have risen one-third iu
price during the last four years. Add one-
third, then, to our Railway Estimates, and
the amount will probably cover the cost. If
the Provincial Secretary can show that our
roads could have been built as well and built
for less, I may be to blame. If he cannot I
care not what he says.

But I will assume, for the sake of argU'
ment, that the estimate, brought down here
by the present chairman of the Railway
Etoard. with the aid of all the new light sb«<l
upon the subject by Mr. Laurie aud the Priv
vincial Secretary, is correct, and that our
roads are to cost £9608 per mile, and tban
will show that, taking into account the olia
raoter and stylo of the work, that we will ha vi
the cheapest roads in the world.

Per milt.

The Belgian Railroads cost £18,000 sterllngi

German 13.000

French 26,832

English 40,000

Taking these sums in Currency and It wi!

be seen that our roads cost less, by £12,89:

than the Belgian, by £6642 than the Qermao

by £23,982 than the French, and by £40,89:

than the English. Mr. Laurie, taking hi

•wn estimate of the cost, admits that our ro>idi

will cost less by £1600 per mile than thoa«

New York.

wilt pa,s
ihm, a,u

r»ilro»di

lAboup m
of uur mt
w»r<)i or
w»r»b «f

'♦«©»» f I

rtober in

eviB ir tb

P«B(J^ wi

indirsstl^
to tbs iur
ft fm I

now ibdw

ov»r tbijt
s»rriea 6f

iO mmik§,
tb§ noiub

fWlnglOO,
of wb»( it \
A «*»ofl(i el
WJ4 betb «t
«llvl!4lflj| tb
»ppe»M' ihit,
lOQ mi\^ ii

I^Ut ht Hi i

wbta (mm
ttfkul ov«r
t»iln«t8|«
^100,000 h
if tim§ b§ m

Let us now see how our available resouroc f*^'^^®!' 8ft

Major Robinson's
currency, was
Wightiqan's
Jackson's
Sykefc'
* neyer aeen a

Mr
Mr,
Mr,

will stand, and what we can probably do wit

the funds at our disposal. We have

£1,000,000 to be borrowed in England,

100.000 Halifax Debentures,

60,000 Province Paper,

20,000 representing 1-3 of £60,000, boi

rowed through the Savings Ban

at 4 per cent.

Vim fiip,
traffio only,
Jb« iftving is
ftngJiib I'um

£1,180,000 ,^ , .

There is thus £l ,1 80.000 available for Rai *"tf*^bw' '
way construction, £883,946 will be requin
to finish the roads to Truro and Windaw
leaving £206,254 towards an extension of t|
line. To finish the 40 miles to Piotou, wi j -
at £9608 per mile, require £884,320, leavil yl^' At tbl
£98,266 to be provideed for over and aboi '*Vff> ifimw
the million to be borrowed. To raise tb •''®'* »f «Mf
amount ought not to tax severely the wit J*"* W«t, A
any Government really disposed to posh tbfl r*''^ HftHfit*
works forward, even if they do not pay ?*^* ^ b * **
pound over their working expenses. * '* *"»»?, tk

But suppose they pay 8 per cent, we sbi "'« tPft»W|^«rt
have but £80,000 to provide, and our 10 |i 'f ^""W »»♦!
cents., which must go on increasing with t '** 9*p8ns#»
growth of the country, already yield £24,0 ^ U,Oim t
to meet this Interest, and in two or three yei 'f''* y^ft i
„.___ ' ^^M wwM J

(11)

ras to get tb«
i. But mifi-
rohlteots and
be completed
;26,000j M»d
tinish It, I
ite, onwb(oh
i a large olalm
:, for building
ich all the Eu-
ty eertifjr that
n one-third iu
ftTS. Add one-
Bstimates, and
>r the coat, I(
ibow that our
B well and built
If he oannot I

sake of aygn-
tght down here
,f the Railway
) new light sbe<l
rie amol thePrO'
, and that onr
mile, and then
oooubt the ob»
that we will bavi
rid.

Br mile>
aS.OUO sterling.

18,000

26,832

40,000
renoy and U wi

ess, by £12,89;

hantheQerroao
and by £40.89;

urie, taking hi
lits that our roiidi
nile than those

vailable reB0ur<
probably do wit
We have
in England,
iires.

of £60,000, b«
the Savings Ban

available for B»<
will be requin
ro and Windwi
iQ extension oft
to Piotou, wi
£384,320, leavil
over and ab(
. To raise t
verelythe wit
)0Bed to posh th
y do not pay
xpenses.
ir cent., wesbi
e, and our 10
creasing with •'
ady yield £24,
two or three ye

WiH p»y tlii Wlia1«. Why all this outcry,
(bSRi AH§ttt the oountry being ruined by these
r»ilr6»di If If th^lf yield 6 per cent then shall
we bAV« A frant pro'luotive property, a great
Ittboar mnug tUfiobitie, in faot, in the bosom
of uur WlMHfy, ttdilihg, in solid capital, up-
W»Pd» yf A m\\\m of poundn to the actual
W«rlb »f Mi(« Vt'tiiitiae, and yet we are told by
(1)8 Pr0¥ii(ii)Al Htititetary that the country is
•' mm th« f»flli«f'* for my li- bouts.

•» Nam Ujm l'ial(e^.** sir. Yes, we shall be
riob§r in hmmi ptiue^ln self confidence— in
9»i§fpriK=-4n Sflietioe— in elevation ot' Pro-
vineUl «bArA«t«<'. 1 have shown you that,
eV9B if tb« f^Aiis do not pay, the money ex-
P»Atifd will i)ttV« Cfeated permanent property,
hi\V9Ql\jl df ifl«(itittinble value, and fastened
to tbs lurfMt of ^ur soli. That, if they do
9»f, fm »ftt tkhw by a million brought in
10 tb6 S§ttBti'j^ tttid tuade productive. I will
MW ibdW y§ll bow mmh richer we shall be
9V8ft if tbtM rMlds do not yield a sixpence
0V8r (beif eX)^HS«Si 66,000 persons were
Q»rr\§4 6v«r ouf short road to the Qrand
Lftk« tAit y«Af « tt»d the trains ran only about
W mmiU§, If they liad run the year round
tbs nambwi weyld bav« been 76,000. Dr.
hwimr OAkukttM thata first class passenger,
riding I00niil«§&ti a railroad, saves 80s. stg.
of WbAt it W§tt(d 6oSf to oarry him by coach.
A mQoni elAiS ttfi^fietiger saves 17s. Now I
add htith mm» Ui^eihw, and strike 7 olf, and
dividing i\m ttittMu\U0 sum by 2 it would
apPDAt' tknii S^^fjf passenger carried by train
100 n»ii«N< in Netya seotia will save 208. stg.
]3ut l6t Hi ntfikt! it uurienoy and assume that,
WbfB (mf f§ftd» nf» fairly opened, 100,000 will
trftf 9l over th^^ 100 miles within the year.
Is it n()Ml«ttP tbAt tb«re will be a saving of
£100,000 in (b§ nm« cost of locomotion. But
if i\m§ b« immy, '• Us see what ih^it is worth.
I^ardner §Ai6«ila(6S, at a very loir rate, that
4iSd f§t iteftd in saved in the value of time by
SH^b Hf ihfim t>AS^oni$ers. If we take it at 4s,
»»d it iboutJ l>8 bigher in this country than
in EnglABd, tb« mmg will be £20,000, while
the road #»p«n<^s mttaoi be less. than &4500.
Tb»i# »mm ttddeJ together amount to £124,-
MQ, Ds'ldSt tim interest of your million,
and yo« b»ve ,fi{)4,600 to spare, even if there
is no dip§8t ftfvetiue from the Roads. Yet
we AfO totd (bat tii6 country is to be " none
tt)# Ft«b»P" fof tb« titvtuhet for Wimlsor.

Tbnut for, T iiave tpoUm of Passenger
traffio only. IM im turn your attention to
the HAving in ft'eitflit. One horse will, over

Engliiib vm^», draw one ton 20 miles in a

At tbat raid it would take a horse (3

(l«ys to dmw a Ion from Halifax to I'ictou,

•ven if our ro«ds were as good, T.hich they

we not, A J^Oflomotire will carry 100 tons

from ilftlifox to ^iotott in 4 hours, and come

k with A Mimilftr load on the same day.

It It) abiAPi tb«n, that four days are saved in

'lie trAHtiporiittiOH, whilo ostimating the cost

'f driver And imm At iWs. per day, reduces

he e»»enwN by A'^ per ton each way. Sup-

llii.OOU imm i9 m carried 100 miles in

oob yoAr, tb« f^Avina on internal freight

lojM would b« MB,m, which added to the

saving in passengers, would give lis a clear
annual gain of £112,60U, after all the inte-
rest is paid. "Not richer." Yes, sir, we
shall be richer. Richer in the saving of
time. Richer in facilities of intercourse — in
the shelter and comfort of our people, trans-
acting the business of the country. Aye, sir,
and richer in means of defence; because, by
means of these roads our Provincial Militia
can be rapidly concentrated for the defence of
our Arsenals in time of war, or as rapidly
brought to bear upon an enemy that may
menace our eastern or western seaports.

But, I may be asked, will those roads pay
the interest on the expenditure? I never
said they would. I always said wbat I say
now, that the honor and the interests of the
Province alike required that they should be
built, and I am content to wait till they arc
finished for a final judgment on my policy.

The Provincial Secretary told us that he
held me responsible for the errors of the
Chief Engineer. The Government have ap-
pointed a medical gentleman to the charge of
the Lunatic Asylum. Suppose he were to
poison or shoot half the patients instead of
curing them, would the Provincial Secretary,
having exercised his best judgment in the
selection, be content to be huni; for the mur^
der? — (laughter.) In selecting a Chief En-
gineer the late government exercised its best
judgement. He oame of an honest race, and
bis father and fl^dfather had been known
to this commuSv for half a century. Of
Mr. Forman peiSonally, I knew nothing be-
fore going to Scotland, but he was a Nova
Sootian, and his reputation in the country
where he had studied and was employed,
stood high. When he came out he brought
testimonials of the first character. In
the Railway Bills the Legislature made the
Chief Enjiiueer the officer of the Government,
not of the Board. The Governor in Council
was to approve of the lines selected before
they were offered to contract. In no respect
therefore can I be held answerable for errors
in Engineering. I was an officer not a mem<'
ber of the Government. But have we not a
most extraordinary spectacle presented to us
just now? Certain disputes have arisen be-
tween the Board and the Contractors, since I
retired from ofiice, and a committee of seven
gentlemen has been selected from this House
to adjudicate upon them. Those disputes in-^
volve claims upon the Treasury to tha extent
of £70,000. Now, is it not clearly the duty
of the Government, to dofeud the interests of
the Province, and, at all events until they
are proved to be in the wroi^, to sustain
their own officers? But what do we see?
While that committee is conduoting this
investigation the Provincial Secretary comes
here and attempts to break down the oharac
ter of the Engineer, by declaring him totally
incompetent.

Hon. Provl. Secy. — No. I studiously and
carefully avoided saying anything with res-
pect to the capacity of that officer.

Mr. Howe.— 'I have no de9ure to misrepre

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'*< totally unqualified " as appled to Mr. For-
nan, and the Prov. Secretary did entertain
u8 about " blunders and bog holes;" while
the qtttnber for Yictoriu (also a member of
the government) went further, and certainly
did insinuate that the Win(i»ur Roud httd
been put in the wrong place to favor people's
plaister quarries and laud t-pcculatiuus.

Hon. Mr. Campbell also disclaimed having
intended to make any attack upon Mr. Fur-
man.

Mr. Howe was content to accept both dis-
claimers, and good humouredly explained the
two matters referred to by Mr. Campbell.
The Prov. Secretary had called upon him to
" table" Earl Grey's letter. The place to
do that was in England where he had pub-
lished it, and where it would have been
tabled on the instant, if it had been required.
The learned gentleman has spoken lightly of
my capacity and powers of mind. Perhaps
with reason, but really, passing over all that
I have done and said besides, 1 think I may,
without vanity, place the speech at South-
ampton and the letters to Earl Grey, beside
any Orations or State Papers that the Prov.
Secretary has yet produced. I think he
would stand higher in this House if he had
more modesty — if, instead of ill natured de-
clamation and verbose puerilities, he would
give us sound information and logical argu-
ment. jMJC

We were told that the intMppnial scheme
failed from my blundering;;?Kave discussed
thatsubjeot at large in my letter to Mr.
Hincka, and need not wastertime with it now.
It failed, because it was the interest of a pow-
erful combination of English contractors and
members of Parliament, that it should fail.
Nobody can prove this by direct testimony,
but it has been proved to every t>ody'8 satis-
faction by a whole stream of evidence. As-
tronomers have recently ascertained the ex-
istence of some tremendous power, not yet
visible by the finest instruments, but which is
known to exert a marvellous controul over our
planetary system. The fact can be demon-
strated, though the body cannot be seeu. So
it must be in this case. We know that a se-
cret and controlling power exists, and was
exerted upon our Uailway policy, though we
may not be able to determine the moment,
the agent, or the mode.

The Provincial Secretary vaunts over my
defeat in Cumberland, but he well knows
that, though a comparative stranger, I ran
two elections in that County, and, when I had
time to meet tl^ people, carried them hand-
somely. He knows or might have known
that my friends could have secured my return
the last time, by compromise, but refused.
He knows also that I was beaten because I
only arrivod in the County a few days before
the election, many in the remote settlements
believing that I was not coming at all, and
was stiU in the United States. He may glo-

but really, if
summer

rify himself over the victory, but i
the humour seised me, and I had a

consider it any great ftat to turn him ouC

again.

That Mr. Hinoks may have been disap-
pointed at my not joining him in England is
probable, but I could not be in two places {at
once. 1 was running the t/Uinberland Elec-
tion all winter. Sir John Harvey died on the
day the contest closed, and I could not leave
an old officer, 8ud<lebly and unexpectedly
called to lidminister the Government without
a Provincial Secretary.

Tbe pile of sleeoers, found by Mr. Laurie
and Dr. Tupper at the Long Lake are easily
ucoountod for. Strange as it may seem, in
this wooded country, we had the greatest dif-
ficulty to procure sleepers at fair prices and
in reasonable time, when we commenced oar
Railroads. To ensure a supply at a cheap
rate we imported a moveable steammill for
sawing them, sold it to a man named Stew-
art, entering into a contract with him toiake
80 many thousands. Delays occurred, and
they were not supplied in time, and tbe
furnishing of the sleepers was let with the
later contracts. Those out by Stewart were
taken, however, and piled by the lake, where
they remain as a reserve, for repairs, and for
the general supply of the lines.

But we were told that Provincial Railroads
will not pay — that Inter-Colonial ones are the
remedy. The gentlemen opposite, having
thrown away the chances of an Inter-colonial
Railway when they were very fair, having
failed to carry out the Jackson scheme when
tliey had the power — some of them having
opposed Railways, from first to last, with all
their might, are now very anxious to give us
more. What is the meaning of all this?
Simply that the Provincial Secretary, having
all along humbugged the people of Cumber-
land with great things to be done for them in
the Railway line, if they would only throw
me out, is very anxious to keep up the delu-
sion. The road is on its way to Piotou; but,
upon the principle on which the Irishman
drove the pig, the Doctor is anxious that his
constitlf^nts should believe that it is going to
Cumberland.

The Prov. Secretary asked, " what had the
member for Windsor to do with the introduc-
tion of Responsible Government ? It grew with
the growth of the country. ' ' Constitutions do
not grow like beets and turnips, (and to
grow them , seed and cultivation are required. )
Great constitutional changes and reforms, es-
pecially when they are opposed, (and when
are they not?) require the aid and combined
action of politicians to carry them forward.
I may not have done much, but I was, at
least, an humble laborer in tlie field. In that
Pamphlet of mine, published 19 years ago,
and for which the Attorney General has so
often called me to account, the new system
was developed, explained and vindicated, at
a time when not three men in the British
Parliament, and no large number in the
Colonies, understood it. I need say no more
than this — that I and my fViends advocated
and maintained the new principles of Ad-
"loa, while the friends and patrons

of the Pj

trodaotio

the distil

ours, ant

Province)

we labon

Mr. H

food hun

Had been <

under ou]

lismiss ai

lould, in

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'ests of 1

hen, to ti

vny or all

jomplainei

ixeroised i

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ers. He i

i:*)gan,Dav

lie hod long

where they

He had rea

heard all tl

missals, an

these men

done anytl

ashamed. ]

but hod uni

bers that h(

his county j

rent, from

from a lettc

he held in h

■anything 1

iFranohville,

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A an incon

5ive the true

is himself y\

fas always

hat the friei

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lismissed bee

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n him out

een disap-
England is

places (ni
•laui Eleo-
died on the
d not leave
uexpcotedly
eut Kithottt

Mr. Lft«rie
Le are easily
aay seem, iu
greatest dif-
ir prioes and
imeaoed our
y at a cheap
teammill for
naated Stew
hhimtoiake
icuned, and
me, and the
let with the
Stewart were
le lake, where
ipaitSt and for

loial Railroads
a\ ones are the
posite, having

1 Inter-colonial

fair, having

I scheme when

them having

last, with all

ous to give u»

of all this?
etary, having
le of Cumber-
ne for them in
d only throw

up the deluf

Pictou; but,
the Irishman
xious that his

it is going to

> what had the
the introduo-
l? It grew with
jnstitutions do
Inips, (and to
'are required.)
id reforms, es-
(and when
land combined
them forward,
aut I was, at
I field. In that
19 years ago,
lieaeral has so
le new system
vindicat«d, at
I in the British
imber in the
kdsay no more
juds advocated
liciplos of Ad-
and patrons

of the Provittoial Seoretary opposed their in-
troduction. We prevailed. The honor and
the distinction of "success in a good cause was
ours, and we can oontenipl' 'h with pride the
Provinces flourishing w i* le system which
we labored to introduce.

Mr. Howe now turnei i<! and discussed,
{ood humouredly, the cases of the men who
aad been dismissed from office. The Sovereign,
under our system, must possess the power to
lismiss any officer at any time. That power
lould, in practice, be only exercised under
ulvice. There was no limit but the power of
:he Legislature, which could dismiss the ad-
risers if it was abused, if not restrained by
» sense of justice and due regard to the inte-
rests of the Province. He did not deny,
hen, to the Government, the right to dismiss
my or all of these men, nor should he have
jomplained if the right had been claimed and
ixeroised without miserable attempts, in most
iases, to damn and destroy the men's charac-
ers. He spoke of the Rogerses, Franchville,
Ligan, Davidson, Lewis, Randal Morris, as men
lie had long known, and who were, in the places
where they lived, held in the highest esteem.
He had read all that had been written, and
heard all that had been said, about their dis-
missals, and he did not believe that either of
these men had forfeited their characters, or
done anything of which they ought to be
ashamed. Mr. Hamilton he knew but slightly,
but had understood from the Shelburne mem-
bers that he maintained a fair reputation in
his county ; and one thing was quite appa-
rent, from the statements made here, and
from a letter addressed to Mr. Looke, which
he held in his hand, that the man had not had
anything like a fair investigation. Mr.
Franchville, we are told, did not enjoy the
|confidence of the community or know one fish
[from another ; but the true reason for his dis-
issal is, that he possesses so much of the
Ipeople's confidence that, iu a sharp contest for
he County of Guysborough some time ago, the
inancial Secretary only beat him by 17
Ivotes. Randall Morris, we are told, " lived
an inconvenient place." But why not
;ive the true reason, that, at elections, Mor-
himself was inconvenient. That my flag
OS always flying over his ship-yard, and
at the friends of Provincial progress were
Hied under it. Davidson, we are told, was
lismissed because he had been a bankrupt 17
ears ago, yet another person has been ap-
inted to a similar office in Parrsborough,
ho was a bankrupt about 7 years ago. One
ir two of the cases were indefensible. One
le could only express sorrow for, because, al-
ough it was the common one of a very young
an exposed to strong temptations, it inflicted
vere wounds upon his family, who were
ighly respected. In another case, though
e was not surprised that the person had lost
lis office, for he had had repeated warnings,
d should have paid his balance or resigned;
lill, there were palliating circumstances
|hich, in dealing with him, had not been
Dsidered or fairly stated to the House. The
«on given for dismissin g Mr. "

wast that he and Mr. Bell did Hot •gfei.
But as Mr. Bell was removed Ublbre the
other was dismissed, there was no danger of
Mr. McKeuna quarrelling with himself.

The Pi-ovincial Secretary has endeavored
to shift the blame ott his own shoulders, for
udt restoring Mr. Chandler, as be for-
merly endeavored to lay it upon mine for re-
moving that officer. He tells us that the
Judges would not consent to restore him. If
this is not correct, then is it a mean evasion
of responsibiUty. If it is true, there must
have been good reasons for the removal. lo
either case Mr. Chandler is much indebted to
his friend.

Before I sit down, sir, I must trouble the
House with a few observations on thespeeohes
of one or two other gentlemen, but I will en-
deavor to be brief. The hon. member for Halt-
fax (Mr. Tobin) asks—" Was not Mr. Condon
Mr.. Howe's friend, a Nova Sootian not an
IriBbiman? Where did he learn his disloyal
sentiments?" I will answer the boa. gentle-
man. Mr. Condon was my friend, as hun-
dreds and thousands have been, and are,
from political causes leading to personal and
political association. I always respected the
manliness of his character, for, unlike a good
many others that I could name, what he be-
lieves he is not ashamed to avow. In early
life I never knew that he entertained any ex-
treme opinions. He was a Nova Sootian « and,
let me say, that I do not believe the Queen
has more loyal subjects anywhere than the
Nova Sootians of Irish origin, when they Hkrt
let alone. But they are not let alone. They
are eternally tampered with by Irish Priests,
from Maynooth and elsewhere, who come out
here with their ultramontane notions of re-
ligion, and hatred of England, as the staple
of their politics, foreign and colonial. From
these men Mr. Condon learnt his extreme
opinions, and from suoh newspapers as the
Dublin JVation and the New York Citizen.
Perhaps he may not have been improved by
his short residence in California. I never
believed of him, however, that he would sym-
pathize with the enemies of his country in
time of war. I knew bis wife's family and
highly respected them, and appointed him to
office, that be might remain at home and be a
stay to them. The removal of this man gave
me no pleasure. How could it? On the
contrary, the necessity fur it gave me infiQite
pain. Tried by any test Mr. Condon must be
condemned. If my " friend" he should have
telegraphed to me, and not to my enenJes.
If a loyal Bubject, he should have held no in-
tercourse with the enemies of his country
which went to thwart the policy of its Gov-
ernment. Hundreds of Germans came here,
enlisted for the Foreign Legion. They mode
no complaint of being entrapped, and who-
ever heard of the Germans of Lunenburg en-
deavoring to make them desert? I do not
complain that a man is a rebel, bat that, be-
ing one he wants jlo hold the Queen's ooni-
mission at the same time. Mr. Condon says
in his letter that " honest Irishi

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d^tlMjriMktrdMlfftto rttobi offlM tindtr
It Fm^ Bmitli O'BrIra or John MttohtU
oompMBlng tlitl tbtjp htd btra dlMtnlMtd
from ofBo*, Md tb« eoniiataoo/ of Mr. Coo-
don mftj t»o OMMurodt by hU domnndlog a
latitndo wbiob tb« rata bo tdmlrii would
oonsidor limpljr abturdi *

The hOD. morobtr for tfAllfiix, And tho
learned roembor for Sydney, dupreottte All
religioua ttrifo »nd »niittOiiity. Having pro*
▼oked it, and »e«ing tbo ooHMqaooooi they
haTo marToUottily ohangod tboir tttfit. They
have set tho boatbov on Art, aad now would
quenoh it if ib»y ooutd. Do tboy sot both
remember tbo pamioBttto appoitlt mad* by Mr.
MoKeagney to bia oo-roligluiiifti in tho ico-
Bion of 1866, wbtB I wao not bort 1 Long
before the Railway rloti, btibro tbo Cramp-
ton meeting, boforo a word waf writton or
said by me offiroiilvo to Boaan Catbolioi, did
. not the roembor for Sydney do bli b«at to
rouse their paMioni, ftnd withdraw tbdr
support from tbo Oovtmneatf Wor* not
the Separate Sobool olauMio toroad in that
aeeeion, beforo I wroto a lino ? Wai not Mr.
MoLeod driven out at tho oonaonoomontand
Mr. Tobin at tbo end of it 7 It in very oon-
venient now to lay all tbi blaesi on tho mom-
ber for Wirdior.

We are aoouMd of bigotry ftfid intoloranoe,
forsooth, beoauM wo will not patronlio trea-
son and Tiolenet, loparate Soboolo and Syn-
odioal letters. Wbero thou id I loam to be a
bigot? My father waa a Nalomi froteatant
allJiio life, yet lived on torna of tnutaal re-
speot and Arlondiblp with Bishop Burke.
That Prelate never taught dhiloyalty la his
diocese, or attempted to oontrol the edttoation
of the Provlneo. To the day of hti death tho
late Bishop Fraaer wai ny own taltied
friend. But well I know, that If an enemy
had landed on our shores, there was not a
man in the provinoe who would have sooner
put himself at the head of bli olansmen to
resist him, than that blgb spirited and loyal
Let me do juitiee, and Boknowleugo

that I believe his snooecor. Dr. MoRinfton,
would do the same. I never s%M, and do not
now believe, that, among the Bootoh and
Frenoh Catholios of Nova Bootia there ia
any disaffeetion— nor did I believe, until the
Russian War broke out, that any portion of
tho Iriah Catholics would oarry their old
world passioES and prejudices ao far, aa in
such aa emergeney to sympathise with the
enemies of their country. When they did,
when they al>etted violence and demanded
separate sehools, I took my ground and mean
to maintain it But I have not obanged my
opinions, nor my policy. I am no more of a
bigot now than I ever was. No person ever
knew me to wound any man's feelinga or to
do hitai any injustice on account of his creed.
The learned member from Sydney tells me
that he has broken the image whieh he forme-
ly treasured in his heart. I cannot break so
easily my pleaaant pietnrea of- the past Old
oompaniona in arms may become estranged,
unreasonable and unjust, but when they do I
remember only those passages of life in whioh
they exhibited finer oharacteriaticB. Those
who have once enjoyei my confidence, or
lived in my afiiections, are apt to live there
still, whatever may be the oonvolsions that
subsequently divide ua. When I first oame
to this House, a near relation of the hon.
member from Clare was my flriend and fellow
labour, in all the struggles of thai period. I
have. not seen him for yeara. What he thinks
of me now I know not, but he will ever dwell
in my memory and I oan only think of him
aa of a fHend.

Mr. Howe then replied to the observations
made upon the Enlistment queation, but, m
these were given at large in the report of hut
Session, we omit them here. He concluded
by thanking the House for the patience with
whioh they had heard him, and by the eX'
preasion ef a hope that he had discussed the
subjects before him in a spirit of oandoui
and moderation.

Dr. MeRiukon,
ii!d, and do not
he Sootoh Mid
kotia there k»
BlieTe, until the
any portion of
larry their old
>8 BO far, as in
athiie with the
When they did,
and demanded
ound and mean
ot changed my
» no more of a
No person ever
I feelings or to
nt of his oreed.
Sydney tells me
whiehheforme-
sannot break so

the past. Old
lome estranged,
; when they do I
I of life in which
teristics. Those
' confidence, or
)t to live there
lonTnlsions that
len I first came
ion of the hon.
iriend and fSellow
' thai period. I

What he thinks
I will ever dwell
ly think of him

he obeertatioBS
luestion, bat, sa
(he report of bst
He conoladed
le patience with
and by the ex"
lad disoussed the
>irit of oandoui

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