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REPOiriKI) BY L. V. PKlMiVAL. T(U:nST(): PKIN'TKI) liV WARWICK & SONS, H.s ano 7u IUmNT STUKET WKST. h / i^. s 1 ' !•: I-: ( ■ 1 1 HI' TIIK HON. A. M. ROSS ■|'l!KAsri;i;i; u|- ini; n;in|\c|; (,y (iN-|'.\|;|ii DELIVKRKD ON THK 1 Mh FKBRUARV, ISS!), IN iiii: LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF ONTARIO. UN MiiVIM, IIIK IKdsK INIO (( >\| M 1 1' TKI-. OF Si I'lM.Y. j;Kr<'!;Ti;i) i;v L. v. Pi:i;ri\Ai.. T(il;u\T<>: l'l;l\Ti:ii ]\\ WARWICK \ SONS. (IS vM, 7:, I'lii-NT STItKKT WKST, 1 SS'.I. .- -" '- 1 FlNANiiAK STATEMKXT (.!•• Tin; llOXoRAr. I.E A. M. Koss I.Kf.lsr.AlIVK ASSKMBLV, Toronto, Thursday. I Itli February, 1889. IIox. Mr. Ross spoke as follows; — .Mh Si'EAKEK. — The annual statement of the Hnanoial operations of the Province, which it is the estahlislied uustoui of tht; Treasurer to present at each Session, is always looked forwai'd to with interest by both sides of the House ; by i.';entlenien on this side supporting the (iovernnient with an anxious desire that the statement presented may be of such a satis- factory character as will justify the contidence they have felt in the (Jovernment, and by hon. gentlemen opposite, with a watchful (iagcr criticism which is to be expected from Her Majesty's loyal Opposi- tion, and a pronipt challenge of anything that may lie in their opinion open to investigation ; particularly do they scan closely the receipts and expenditure to see if the actual transactions of the year bear out the forecast made by the Treasurer in the previous Session, whom they generally accuse of taking too favorable a view of the probable resul s of the year's transactions. 4 I1N.\N< I \l. >\ V\\ MHNT <»!• T a^'iiiii follow this y.-ar tli<' pmctir.- I iiiMo.lur.MJ ,s..i.i.- v. mis ,1-0 o£ placiii- in til.- IkuuIs of MciuIkts shc.-ts .•ontiiinin- ui. .-.Kstrint of the oxprnditur.'s, n .cipts. assets and liahilitics, aixl tlir aiiticipal-.l .•.•.•..ipts for tlu- i.ivs.Mit yar, to facilitate them in following ill.' reniaiks thn 'J'feasunr may have to make. Without any further preface, 1 proceed at once to place I.efu.e the House a plain', l.usiness statement of tl)e transactions of tiic past year. First, 1 will take up the lleceipts for 1S,^S, romparing them with tl.o estima'e of what we cxp.'.-ted to receive during the year. RHCKH'TS. 1.SSS. Si'KCU |i (iKANT AK11I1.S7J SO 7-J SO lNriuv>r ON Caitiai. mki.o. and Dr.ins m k va I'lIK hoNHNioN ll> ONTAHIii iNIT.lilv'l' "N iNVKSl'MKNIS f'KOWN L\M» DkI'AKTMKNT: — (,'ri)\V!i Laiiils • Clergy liiuids Cuiinnon Sclmul Lan(l> (Iraimiuir SelnKil L;oid-< Kent /■' Tj;Uiil.i • • ■ • III Susjii'ii-f '■• L-.uiil- \V Is ami l-'ort'sts <.'a 74 ;«itl 7; I n I ;;(i :;:!4. D;i 0.". 1. i;;(i. t.')i ■'■! 2. 2^2 21; si .041 .".') 2;^;i.ssti iy I'rHl.ll- InMITI lli>N^" ilKVKNl k: — T. r.mto Lunatie Asylum '^?^!!!i'! ^r ^^""'•"" :::::;;:.;;;;.... 'u.i:<:u ' 3,74.S 58 1,477 47 * 4,354 SO 515 50 [.'.'..'.....'. 27,727 2;t 150 00 102,.si>7 17 nil: HON. v. m. koss. <'asi si \\< \ IM K ; — l'rip\ inciiil Scci ('tills s I >< |mi tiiuiu ■•*'.•. ;i;>t'» 2.- Fiii.-, rtc •'•"''" "■' I ii^iiriiiiec ( 'niiiiiiuiy's Jm-i » '*)<>•*> 'X) Sill ru^'iiti- ( -'cimt K.'CH l,;i'J.") "lO DiviHion '• LMIO l>s I'liviit.' Bills -j.X):. r.o Statiit.'H »>,!•'■""* '•'i' Index. ■">» 00 hiji.lrtltuls l'J4 SO s:;| 71 1 Insiuiuici' C(Miiii.inif>' Assc>-iiie'nts ;<,irJO .>8 K.'innviii uf I'ati.iiU '• '-'.OS:! .-,7 l-j.lOl London Linatic Asvllm — In.sikan Dl MH I.NsrilLTK-lNM HANCK . ■'•''"' A<;lilll I.TIUAI. C<)I,LKl!|-.-f5AI.K OK Kml!AI\A(.i: WoUKS ASSKSSMKNI- l."i,041 Mink ii'Ai. Low ViMi '.000 l)i!AiNAi;i: Dkiuati UKS Tll.K OlllI.I.IA LrNAIlf ASYMM— MoKICAi.K MlMiro FaUM— MoliTCAiiK TOHONTO LrNATlC ASYMM — SaI.K OK LaNDs Nkw I'aki.iamknt Hiii.DiNiis Fknd IK) 10 '.M 12 2."> 00 .')2 00 .-*:<. 4s't, 014 42 ;u.7.-H 44 iiv.ts .")(i 1..-.00 00 2.S^ti ,S4 :10.471 SI 2S,S(11 71 !?;! ,.■>?■ 7. 121 78 Ju tltf itf'iii of Interest on Iiivestrnents, our pstimat*> la.st yi'ar was $4U,000 ; we have received S-')5,331, or $15,331 in excess ot our estimate. From Algonia taxes w(i estimated to rticeive .^5,000, and r(HH'i\cd .-^I'/iH'i. This is owing to the fact that we had a large sah' for tuxes in 1887, and a number of the lots were sold for less tiian the taxes. I had expected that a large number of these would have been redeemed during' ihe past year, and that through that redemption we would get the balan^'c (hie us; lhe.se expectations have not been realized. In the item of law stamjis we have received .^81,0 II ; my estimate of what we might expect to I'eceive was .'irGG.OOO. The receipts for 1888 have been exceptionally large— the largest, I think, with the exception of 1874, when the reduction was made in stamp taxes formerly imposed. A G KINANCIM. SIM'KMKNI' "T part or this iiHTrMHc is no ,|oul.t Aw tn .•oimi.uKU ions to Loral Mi.stors and Surroi^utr .lu-l.-.s, U.t thr l.ulk ..f it is owu.i,' to ll... iiuivas.- .,f business diirinj,' the past ycai'. From liccns..s it will 1.- sc-n al.ov th.it we liax.' irn-ivcl S-J;53,880 ; our .•stinmt.- of n-rripts nvh. sU).\OO0. Althon«l. at the tin,." of th. last meeting of tl.r House it was UnoNvn that the .otes to l.e -iven on the .jnestimi of the r.peal of the Scott Act iu a uun>her of eountics where it was then in furee n.i-ht alleet our revenue, wo did not feel ourselves iustilie.1 in takin- into aecount any additional revnue that n.i,-ht he deriNed fron> that souree. As the Houso is aware, n>any of the c^ounties rep.'alod tlu' Aet. and the result was that the License Law can... i.ito operation in th.^s.' district.-, and .nor.« lieens..s were issued, fio that ow,n« to tlie ivpoixl of the Scott Act we have r.-c.-ive.! th.- sun. ..f .-:ll,:>lse .•ouutU'S during LSf<8, or altogether the sun. of H:',8,SSf; over ..ur .'stin.at.'. Kroln th.- Hdueation Department we have receiv.Ml f^:\->M:\\ our .■sti- mato was s-J.\000. Tin- i.icr.'ase I h.-li.^v.- has hen nininly due to tl..- laroe nuu.ber of ..xan.inations takin- pla.-e at the I'.luc.tion Depa. tun-nt, which has added lai^ely to th.' receipts. Then for Public Justitulions' Rev.'uue w.- hav.- r.rriv^.d -lU2.M»7. My estin.ate was >?! 2:5,800. We hav.' not receiv.Ml tli.t sun. by AJO.'.)Ol>. This is n.ainly du.^ to the fact that th.' adjustinent of th.' C'titral Pns.,n ac.^ounts in conn,.ctiou with tlie n.anufactuiv ol' bri.k used in tl... -onstruc- tion of th.. n..w Parliament Ibiildin-s had not b.M'U .'Oticludei at th.. ■ lose of ,hc ycaf. and tl.e.r.'far<> th.^ rcv..uu.. fro.u that industry has not U^m broU!j;ht into th.- Public Accounts. TluMi we have Casual Revenue, s:U,7 1 t. The estii..ate for that wa. S<3r),00(>. the receipts, tli.n-efore. very nearly approximate. Fro... insurance companies, whi.di is a fixed statuto.y rev..nue, we have i-e.tcived about what wc estimated, .-^ii.OOO. For rcioval of patients the estin.ate was sG.OOO, ami w.- l.av.' received ■■<9,0.^o. That amount has been colle;;ted from counties. Then you will notice some small items of revenue --London Asylum, insu.'ance, $1,279 ; that is the amount paid in by the two c.mpanies who paid our claims w the London tire. Deaf and Duml) Institute insurance, llli; IIHN. A. M. Itd^s. have #9;>*t , Ac,M'i(;ultural ( 'ollc^c. !-;ili' of tin nil iiif, cill;!; l-.ikc N ipissiii;,' Works, sfilc ot' scow, $400 ; fnf hiiiiiiaui- W'ork^ Assi'hHinonts, our cstiinate was i;i,4.s;t,iiH. Ill, the total estimated was .'<."(, IO.">,'_'."i!), or our oidin;>;r receipts lia\ e e.xcei ded our estimates hy the sum of ss."».sll. I think we may faiily<'laim tluL our ioi'ecast of the re-eipts of the ^. .r lias lieen losely \eritied, and uur ■ imate was, as was intended, kept )*it!ier within than over what miuht have lieen I alculated on. Then we have, mitside of ordiuai'\ receip'^'. i:ertain other receipts. We has'e hraiuayo Dehentuns, Tile L)rainaa;e Deheut-ires, Orillia ldi<»t Asylum mortgage, and mortj:;agos in connection with lots at .NUiiiiico P'arni. These receipts from Drainage Dchentures are repayments on account ot' loans made, which are i-einvested a^aiii in other loans whijh ajjpi'ar in the expeiuiiture statenieul : these debits and credits sliewing the tluctua- tion of the Drainai,'e investments. We r(>ceiv(>d in these repaynu-nts durin:,' the past year S^f),!;")?, and liv referrini,' to the expenditure state- ment \ ou will see that we have in the past year reinvested all of this $3'), irt7, and also >rl*;),G2S jidditional. in re^ai'd to the sale of Asylum lands, I may say that the high price which i-eal estate lias attained in Toronto has foi- many yeara pressed upon the (!o\ernment the iuadvisability of continuing the occu- pation of about seventy acres of valuable land mainly for the purpose of growing vegetables. Last session a vote was taken fur the en>ction of four cottages at INIimico, w'tli a capacity of tifty patients each, to Ije run s FINANCIAI, STATKMENT (»l in connection with tlie 'I'oronto Asylum, and it was intended that the proceed ! of the sale of this surplus hind in connection with the Lunatic Asylum should be devoted to tlie cost of tliese cottages, lielieviui; that the people of the Province would rather have the vulue of the hind in the shape of additional acconnnodation for these unfoitunates tlum have it used as at present in connection with the Toronto Asylum. There was an urgent demand for increased accommodation, ami we felt ourselves justified in entering upon the erection of these cottages. Con- tracts liave been let for eight cottages to be built at Mimico. with a capacity for 100 patients, and the whole cost of these we expect to be recouped from the sale of these asylum lands. Tenders were invited for the purchase of this land, the past season being thought by the Government a favorable one for placing it upon the market. Tenders Avere invited lor sixteen acres in October last. The land was divided up into sixteen parcels. A number of tenders were received and several were accepted, and I may give the House the number of l)locks disposed of, (I daresay most hon. gentlemen have seen the plan,) the names of l)urchasers, and the prices paid : — Blocks " F" and '•(!," on Queen Street to the Land Security Company, at 8150 per foot frontage. Blocks '' J '" and " K,'' on Queen Street to the same Company, at $140 per foot. Block "P," the Toronto Land and Investment Company, at ^f^o.^nper foot. Blocks '"(»■■ and " S," Ontario Industrial Loan and Investment Com- pany, at $25 per foot. These are rear blocks. The tenders for the other nine blocks were declined, as the Government did not consider the price oilered was the fair market value of the land. New tenders were invited again on the 27th December for the remaining blocks not sold. Of these tenders live were accepted: — Block •']),"' on (^lueen street, from the Land Security Company, at $152.50 (I may say that the former oH'er for that Ijlock was $140). Block " M " was allotted to A. McRoberts, at $31.50 per foot; Block '• O ' to 0. H. Xel.son, at f.'il.GO; Block "R" to the Toronto Land and Investment Company, at $32, and Block " T ' to T. H. I nee, at $25 per foot. Tenders f )r the thret! remaining blocks on Queen street were not accepted, as they were still TllK HON. A. M. 1{()SS. i> h\ that the ilic Lunatic ieviui; that )f the land Lxnates tlian to Asylum, anil we felt ;age.s. Con- lieo. witli a expect to he vere invited if'ht by the L^t. Tenders was divided and several icks disposed he names of ity Company, 3any, at $140 •J"). .");■) per foot, sstment Com- ? Government A> of the land, the remaining ilook ■' D,' on )0 ( I may say " was allotted H. Nelson, at t Company, at endeis f jr the they were still thought helow the market value. A ti'iuler of i^ZO I'or lilock "' N " \v;i^, not accepted, the ( Jo\'t'rniii'nt thinking that S30 was not fair value tor the land, but after the close of tiu^ ^ale some parties who had sent in tenders at S30 per foot were given an opportunity of increasing their tenders, and the otfer of Thomas McOaw of ."to 1.50, the highest received, was accepted, Altogtitlier we have sold thirteen blocks, tive on f .Tusticc • ■ Kdncatiou Public lnstitutii)iis Maititt'iiaiicf I inmiprrution • .\.j?riciiltufe Hospitals and Cliaritii'- Uei)airs and Maintciuint'o, V. 1' Public Buildiii^rs J\iblic Works Colonization Roads Charges on Crown Lands Con.solidation of Statut' Miscellaneou-i Il.'fuiid ■• >;200,(>85 24 127,030 77 ;.<7.".8tt.s 80 57!»,4<;r) m 721,(102 •;(» 7,1>52 ;«t 137,054 4tl iin.ii.si; 14 i;'.l,22!l 54 2!tl,423 5(1 42,870 71 112,273 5ftiditiuo wmU'i Supjily Bill §3,007,037 02 10 I'INAM'IAI. STA'IKMENT <»l" f'rainaf,'^ 1 )el)fntinc.s T Aiiiniity " \\ iilnws I 'fusion-^ Nr\v I'arliuiiiiut liuildinpfs S47,<).S4 !••-' 11,100 00 2t7,!lH2 11 r)'_',-joo (lo 11,011 1:. 15! t, 203 2'^ Kiisr, you will seo Lhafe for Civil (ioveruiiK'nt we have fxponded ^"JOO,- • '•■^•"i. ' »ur estimate was §1U8, T+ri, or we have expended $1,9 M) over the amount voted. For legislation the vot(* was -"7 1 22, 050 ; we have spent •'^I27,0."'i0, or an over-expenditure of >^1,980. Most of that is in connection with the itt'iii. as you will see l>y the Public Accounts, of Stationery, printing and binding. We exceeded the vote l>y s2.8(j4. This is almost altoirether out of the control of the (iovernment. If any control can be had o\ I'l' it, tliat control rests with the House. It depends altogether upon tlie volume of Returns asked for and the Reports sent in. There ■( also inchuhd in that the cost of indexing the Journals, which amounted to sl.L'7S.t;;t. There was also extra work on the Catalogue and Legislative documents. Then for Ailniinistration of .luslic we spent •-^373,898, the vote being •■^37 1. 1 7t*), or ail over-expenditure of s2, 122 under that uead. The prin- cijiid items in which there has Ijeen an over-expenditure will lie s(!en in the Pubhc Accounts, und will be lound to be under the head of Litigation of Constitutional i|Uestions, for which we took a vote of ^12,000, and our expen. That i> mainly in connection witli what is known a> the Indian Title ([ue.stion. It is to lie hoped that the i'rovince has so«'n the end of this Litigation of Constitutional (questions. The I'rovince has no reason to be dissatistietl with the decisions arrived at, but we have reason to regrt.'t the expense w(; hii\c' lieen compelled to incur in defending tin; rights of the Province. Our total expenditure in connection with litigation of constitutional questions has been $112,09 1, exclusive of tlui cost of liolding po.sse.ssion of the Dis- puted Territory, or the territory that was disputed. For that expenditure; of sill*. 000 T claim thai the I)ominion out;ht to reimburse the Province. Sir .lohu Macdonald has iiimself admitted that in kindred expenditures to whi'li other Provinces have been put, the Dominion ought to reimburse was Ihe I'rn disj OoiJ to 1 occ TFIF; llnN. A. M. ROSS. 11 t7,ti84 112 LI, 100 00 17,!iS2 1 I r)L',l!0O 00 11,011 !•' r)',i,2o:^ 2;< 8(),24S 4(i .ended s^-JOO,- D40 over the p have spent in connection if Stationery, 'his is ahnost ontrol can be together upon There .^ also amounted to id Legislative he vote being ^d. The prin- vill b(> s(Mni in d ot Litigation •2,000, and our S0,a32. That Title ([uestion. IS Litigation of he dissatisfied th(! exi)ense wt; Province. Our iional questions iioii of the Dis- hat expenditure e the Province. expenditures to ht to reimburse them. Tlie Hon, Mr. Robertson. Provincial Treasurer of (^tucbcc, in liis iiudget Speech of 1S8."), announced publicly that Sir John liad prouiiscd that all tlie costs in connection with the appeal of the license >>^7. asking whether the promise made by Sli' .loliii icferred to in his Budget Speech had ))een carried out. ill a lettoi' dated I'.lih January. 1SS7, he replied as follows : " At an interview willi .^ir .John A. Macdonald and som(> of his co!le:i:,'ues in Ottawa, after the deiision of the Supremo Court respecting license niaLterr^ had lieeu rendered, Sirdohn expre.ssed himself as not sati-iiied with the decision of the Supreme Court, that it would not cai'iy ecjual weight with a decision of the Pi-ivy Council in iMighin I ; he said that lu- thou^hT of an appeiil to Kngland, as it would lie more satisfactiu'v to all [lartii^s. I replied. 'Sir .b)lin, you foniierly stated that you would al»id'' \>y the decision of the Supreme Court, and now, if yoii drt-' the Provinces to Eng- land, !t'~ no more than right that the I) iniiuiou .should pay the .-xpense-; of the appeal to England, as we aiv forced tluTC hy yau.' lb' replied. 'Mr. Bob".rtso!i, 1 think you are right: the I ) 'uiininii dionld pay ill costs in appeal to Knglantl. and'it will he done.' 1 Impc. Mr. Speaktu", that the sain ■ iie'asii''.' ot jnstice will 1)0 ni'ted out to Ontario, and that we will bo reiui'iMirse 1 the largo cost wr hive b 'en put to ill resisting those unjust attacks upon out legislative and territoria' rights. 'Vlvn we jiave another admission of the Doiniuiejii ( iovermiienc which I think should fortify us. In tho Doininion Statutes of bSS.'i, Manitoba, was granted a largo sum in addition to her sul»sidy, as stated distinctly in the preamlile to the Act. "as a full settlement of all claims undo i>y the I'rovince for reimhiirsement of costs incurred in th" government of the disputed territory or a reference of the boundary .|uestion to the .iudicial Committee of the Privy Council," so that >[anitol).i was given a large siiin to reimburse hei- actually for the co.sts she was put to in the unlawful occupation of our territory. I tiiink therefore that our claim is good 12 IINANCIAI. STATKMKNT n| on tilt' nonunion (rovernnipnt for reimbursement for ail costs wliicli <.>ntario li:is heen put to hy this rcfei\M>c(> to tlir* Privy Council of tlu'-ii^ constitutional questions. Tiien our ui'Xt item of expenditure is Education, t'or which we expended $57!), 40'). ( )m- estimate was .S")Sl, I I "J, oi' oui' expenditure was within the, estimate i)y sl,'J 17. For Puhlie Instituti JUS .Maiuteuiuee we exi)euded s721, Gd'J. as af^aiust an estimate of 870-),'i")!, or an over-ex penditui'e of ^IS/Jo^S. The expenditure in conuectiou with our Ptildic [nstitutions now amounts to al)Out one-fourth of our whole revenue. It absorbs about two-third.s of the amount that was allotted to us l)y the i>. X. A. Act to meet the whole expenditure of the Province. Of this. .-<.')o7,3'l9 is for the support of the Insane uiid Idiot .Asyluia^, and the Deaf and Dinnb and the Ulind Institutes, the mentally ami physically attlicted. The remaining •S164-,2U.') is the i-ost of our i riminal institutions, the Central Prison. Boys' Reformatory and Mercer Iveformatory. In 1884 I presented to the House figures made up for ten years shewiuL,' what had been the cost of maintaining these institutions and the jiuniber that had been admitted. The conclusions I then drew iViim these tigures were, that in regard to all the institutions outside of the Insane and Idiot Asylums, the Province had, as it were, reached th'^ ])ositioii when the e.xpenditure would not be likely to increase, and the accommodation was up to the requirements of the day. Fluctuation.s no d'iul»t would taki^ place, and perhaps a, gradual inci'ease in consetiuence of the gradual increase of population. That vie>v has l)cen confirmed (in the five years which have elapsed since that date. The inmates of our ditlerent penal institutions in ISSo were 1,<]20 ; the inmates in lcS88 were l,()3r). The daily average in 1883 was 718; the daily average in 1888 was 7I<\ Then take the Deaf and Dumb and IJlind : the total inmates in 188.> were 126; in 1888 121 : the average daily attendance in I88.'i was .381 ; in 1888 .■)70. Tiien taking both the pcuial institutions and the deaf and dumb and blind, the total population in 188:^» was 2,0-16, and in 1888 2,05(5 ; the average daily population in iJ^S;) was 1,102, and in 1888 1,080. I think therefore that we may fairly say that this is satisfactory, and leads to the conclusion that we have, so far as these institutions are concerned, both in accommodation and cost of maintenance, arriv(d at the maximum of what the Province may be called upon to do. I 11^ insaii| of Cc in rel niod;i| that unna] take expe erectl adini inert eonfi This seem IIU t I' nit for t thel lU tl the n-atu 1 telio imm Su})' 'I'Ui: Hon a, M. Iloss. ]:; costs which iicil of these w'c expended as within tlie, 721,601'. as 5,9;J>s. The amounts to thirds of the :;t tJie whoh; l)port of the I th.- Ijlind 'ison, Ijoys' ited to the tlie cost of a admitted, ■egard to all 10 Province ould not be iients of the i a gradual That vietv i that date. l,r, that as regai'ds our asylum-^ lor insane and idiots, we have not so satisfactory a showing. From the tirst year of Confederation there has licen a steady and continuous increase, not only in regard to applications for admission, i.ut applications for increased accom- modation. Almost (n-ei'y session large sums have been voted for iiicreasin;,' that accommodation, and on fre(|Uent occasions the liope has b(>en nol unnaturally expressed that this accommodation would be sulHrient to ovet- take the demands for yetu's to come. Unfortunately, Mi. Speaker, that expectation has not lieen borne out. No sooner wer*' additional buildings erected than they were lilled to overtlowmg. and yet the applications for admission were as great as e\-.f. I'util lately it was believed that this increased demand for acconnnndation was dui' to a laig" extent to the greater conHdenco on the part of th'' people in the management ot the institutions. This to a large extent was true, and is still oper.it ive, liut another idea - seems to be taking hold of the putilic mind, that i.;sanity it.self is actually on th" increase. That seems to be the belief not only in t'anaiia bur, in the United States and Oreat Uritaiu, and this may to some extent account for the increased demand for accounnoiiation, liut statistics in Ontario and the I'nited States point to the belief that tliecc is something more i.earnig in the same direction, and that is. the cliai actcr of our immigrants from ihe older world ; that due o.nv has no- alwavs be.-u r ike;i as to the nature and character of the peoole hrougli: out, and in many cases it is believed that immigratio;i has almost l.'eu a direct transfer from the itnrnigiant sliip to the asylum. L-n me lead from the last rc[iorl of the Superintendent of the Toronto Asylum : " It is worthy of note in this coaie'ctieii that a larg- number of our admissions during the year consisted of pitienis wiio :t,re foreign born and many of them recently impoited. Their uumncr is out o!' all proportion to the native liorn, ami tle.'re is a strong suspicion in my miad that ('iiiada is l)ecoming a •dumping-ground ' for the def(v„-tive (;!ass 'S ot the fatherland An emiuiry in this direi-tion of an otiicial nature would Iribtl.'ss lie i,)f service to the country. Kor e\am[)le, it is to lud that out of the ln."> patients of last year's admission, ninety-two wm'c of foreign birth and only seventy-three of CLanadian birth. It is sa'e to say that tii" next census of ISDl will show a very large pre[ionderanc<> of nati\e population over that 14 I INANCIAI. ^lAIKMKNT OF ol uiiiniLTiviits. 'J'hat is true of our pi-HSont itopulatiou, and yt^t tlu^ iulinissions of palicnts last ye ir show a projiorcioii of those l)orii out of Canada to largely exeee 1 thut of Omaaiaii nitivity. At least nine-tenths of the former come from tie' Hritish isles. From personal eiujuiry it is found that a lar-;e nuujher wore in British and Irish asylums before eomini,' to Canada. Such persoas may have reached our shores of their own a'!cord , and for this inllu.v ii<. • Old Country' orju^anization may lie responsible, yet it is evident that sueli a class is not coveted hy this Province, nor will the pro-eny of many of thes<' patients make level-headed citizens. This is a matter of past e.vperience." From statistics gathered from the L;nit(>d States, it appears that tlw^ foreii.ni-horn pDpulation only am )unts to one-eighth of the population, yet they furnish one-ihird of the insane that are in their asylums. In Ontario, our foreign born population, according to the census, amounts to ■Jl'.L".) per cent, yet, in our asylums they amount to 47.88 per ri-nf. In connection with our a.sylum accommodation, however, 1 may say that from the la.st monthly return handed to me by the Inspector of Asylums, it would appear that at the present time tlie Province may be said to be just abreast of the demand. The return shews that we have at the present time vacant beds in the institutions for 30 males and 1 L> females, or a total ol' 42 vacancies. The lunatics and idiots in our common gaols number L'3 males and ];] females, or a total of ;](;, or you may say that if these were transferred to our asylums, they would about take up the accommodation available. As shewing what the JVovince has done for the accommodation of those unfortunates, it may be well to point out that Ontario has, since Confedera- tion, spent on capital account for the erection of buildings, s;5,4:,>;^^8.3r,. Qf that, .>?2,181.4-K; was for Insane and Idiot Asylums ; s458,D86 for the Deaf and Dumb and Blind, and 8783,42:3 for the Central Prison and Beforma- tories. For their annual maintenance the Province has spent, for the In.sane and [diota, 65,710,776 ; for Deaf and Dumb and Blind, $1,138,536, and for the Central Prison and Reformatories, 61,914,03 1, or a total of expendi ture for maintenance cf 88,763,344, which, with the capital expenditure, makes up a total of $12,187,1!)!), for the maintenance of our criminal and' llli: HON. A. M. ItONS, , and ye' the- e horn out of list nine-tentlis 1 ciKjuiry it is l)(>fi)i(' coMiini,' nr own a-eord, ic fi'sjonsihle, viiiL'c, nnv will i/ons. This is Dt'ai's that tlit^ le population, asylums, hi IS, auiDunt.s ta |>er cent. In say that from )f Asylums, it Ite said to lie ' have at the id 1 l' females, common gaols may say that it take up the I ation of these ce Confedera- ,4l';^,8.-)5. Of G for the Deaf and Keforma- for the Insane ^,536, and for 1 of expend i expenditure, criminal aniJ unfortunate mentally alllicted population. If you add to that, as a Ici-i'licd expense, the grants nrad(? to Hospitals and Charities, >r^l,4;>0,s;)l. you iia\e a total of >^ 1 3,027,09(1 spent in connection with ^hese institutions. Perhaps 1 may also say what has been done in the way of increased uccomraodation of late year.s. During the past four years, we have supplied 180 additional hods at Kingston, -".21 at Hamilton, and so at ()<'illia, or during the last lour years we have supplied accommodation lor .")S t of these unfortunates, and yet the accommodation is not sutiicient, and you will Hnd in the Estimates foi' this year a verv large sum toi providing increased accommodation. The next item we have' is immigration, on wWnli we spent. .<7,'.'o'J. against an estimate of S8,O0i). For Agriculture, we spent S I •■>7,0r» {, against an estimate of --^ll 1,931 , or an under-expenditure of >:^1.877. K.»r Hospitals and Charities we expended sll.3,(;S(; against the rsame sum voted in the Estimates. For Repairs and Maintenance of Parliament Buildings, etc., we spent .■:r69,-_'28 a..,'ainst .■^t;4,17ii voted, or .^."-,0.".;', more than '.he amount voted. For Pul.lic B lildings we spent $291, -4 -J.!, against an estimate of §3S3,0(;2. or, there is unexpended, in connection with Public Buildings, .'<91,G39, made up principally of the unexpended amount in connection with the Mimico cottages. s4-4r,439 ; also, an unexpended balance in connection with the new Oriliia Asylum, $:i0,728. These are the two main items unexpended. For Public Works we spent $12,871, against an estimate of $50.4'.»f., ,u- an under-expenditure of $7,626. For Colonization Roads we expended $112,27:1, or $5,62:') over the amount voted. $106,650. For charges on Crown Lands we spent $96,731. against an e.stimate of $lnl,!)UO, or an under-expenditure of $5,166. For Consolidation of Statutes, we expended $3L395, or an over-expenditure of .-^9.805. The total expendi- ture up to the present time, m connection with the last Consolidation of the Statutes, has been 879.160, while the total expenditure in 1.^77 was $73,787, the present expenditure for the Statutes of 18S7 being already larger than that. This is accounted for by the fact that the present Consolidated Statutes contain 321 additional pages, as compared with the Statutes of 1877, and besides, in the present i,ssue, there is an index in eicli volume. Then we have also on hand a large amount of type, all k; II V WCI Ai. S'lAIKMKNT (iK s't up in pa<;(' lonii aiul lile.l away, in case ;i further issue .should !).• rp<|uind. That type is valued at S-20,0'}0, whicli we have in that form, and w hicli is iiK hided in the expenditure of S7!»,()00. Then we liiivu Misreliaiieous, >71,0;50, a;;ainst an esliniatc of sliT.lOU, or an under-expenditure of >:r):>,,U70, For Ilefunds, our expenditure was >l.'7 .70:'., iirrainst an estimate of .^1*7, "jr. |, or an under-expenditure of S2ii\. Altogether, Mr. .Spe;ikef, the expenditurt> und.-r the Supply liill lias l)een $:)j)07 ,0:\7.i)'I. Our .-stimate xvas .^.•{,1l'.3,SU 1. 1 1', ,„■ the expenditure has hiMii less than the amount voted hv the sum of s I 1S,7(;7. 10. ( Apphiuse, ) Now, our total ordin.iry receipts were 83, 18!),(IM. 8 | ; ,,ur total ordinary e.vpendituiv under the Supply Hill has been .-?:;. Oo7,0:;7.0l', or our oidiunry receipts for the past year, 1 SS8, have e.vee(>ded our ordinary exj,enntures and Tile Drainage Delj.mtures. Xow, this ought h.irdly to he classed as expenditure. Although they are disluirsements, thoy are un estments hearin-/ inti^rest, just as much as placing in.,mey in the bank. V\> purchar;e municipal debentures ;n,d keep them as interest- bearing investments. We have expended m the puicha.se of Drainag.> Debentures, S l7,i;8T!tl\ uhile w... have received .^.:} 1.7:.8. U. and for Tile Drainage Debentures we expended Si 1,100, while we leceived S;'.,:l'.tS..-M;. or an excess of expenditure or rather investments over receipts for both^ of S28.G27.92. For Railway UertiHcates wo have expended ■-21/,9Sl'.1I, and in payment of Annuity I'ertiticates, Sr)2,20O. Then we have Widows- Pen.s,ons, .< I 1.0 H . l.",. That is a new item in connection with expeuditure, which I may explain here. At the time of Confederation, a certain amount was set apart from the Municipalities' or Ulergv Reserve Fund^ to pay Widows' Pensions. That fund was exhausted some years ago, and. for the last two or three years, remittances have been made to the Dominion Government to meet that expenditure. We have now these lists of pensions for which we are liable transferred to us, and we pay them direct. They are a charge upon the Municipalities' Fund, and tlio expenditure will lie continr.ed until the annuities die out. THE lln\. A. M. Rnss. sue .slioultl l»t' in that form, of si L> 7, loo, cU'liturc wa.s uro of S2r)l. pply liill lias ■ ('xpcnditurf! >=l IN, 7 (-,7. 10. -utal ovdiiiai'v our oixliuary t'.\])!'ii(litur(' i!i(( statutory ' Delj(>ntures. ugh they arc ic!i as placing keop tlu-m as purchase of .7-">.S. 4 k and we i<'c('ived )ver receipts e expended 200. Then, a eonn(^ction infederation, rgy Kf\serve le years ago, niadcj to the " now these UK.! we pay nd, and tlio Then we have the expemliture (,u the Parliament iiuildings, 815'J,20;;.-j;). Of tliis amount, 81l'!),2U3 was expended on the contract, and 8:30,000 in payment for the land. So, 'y\r. Speaker, our total expenilitnre, liotli under the Supply Bill and also for thesi? statutory payments, foots up to s."., •'.:)(;. L' 18.1'), and our total receipts, $;},r)87,421.7S, or. taking our total rxpeuditure as against our total receipts, our expenditure is within our receipts !.y S:)],! 7:5.:>l' If you add to that the balance of .-•j;i,G27.aker, with a l»aiik balance of .Sr)7o, 13.'-). We iuive, out of our receipts for llie year, ])iovided fi»r all the usual services of the (lovernmeut, and made liberal grants in aid of public enterprises ; we have expended upon the new Parliamenb liuildnigs and other buildings ."ir4t).'>,4D7 ; we have i)aid Itailway Annuities amounting to S300,l.'^i', added 8"23,G"]7 to our debenture investments, and at the close of the year had at our credit in the banks, 8(J28,944, which is $r)3,-')l 1 larger than it was at the commencement of the year. (Applause.) Mr. Spt-aker, 1 think this statement must be accepted ))y the House as very satisfactory. Now, Sir, we come to our assets and liabilities. ASSETS AND LIABILITIES. IXVESTMKNTrf, INTKliHST BKAlUNc;, AN 1 ) CASH ASSKTS (jl THE rROVlNCE. 1. DiUKcT Invksi'mknt 1 : Dominion (> \n'V cent. Bonds Sl'OO.OOO 00 Market vahu' uviT iKivvalnc 14,000 00 .■<214,G00 00 Drainage.') i)er cent. 4)ebenture^, ul^t■^tt■^l 31st December, 1888 §205,381 17 Tile drainage 5 per cent. Debentures, in- vested 31st Decen.ber, 1888 72,'.)18 'H Drainage works — Municipal Assessments.. 24l.'.'Jl.'8 77 r.20,558 55 ■■?73t,55>> 35 2(B.) IS IIN W( 1 \I. SIW'I'KMKNT "I Cvi'liAl. llKl.l) AM> DKIITs 1>I K liY IIIK I >( -M I MON in ( >X IWIilO, i')i:.VIUN(i INTKIIKST: r. C. Graiiiiniir School Fund ("J Vic't. cup. lOl f<:n'_',7«;;i Ot I '. C. r.uildiiif,' iMiii'l 0« f^-'f., Act IHDl) 1, 17-',:|''l H Laud IiniirovciiifUt Fund (see award) 124,i;.sr) 18 Conmiun School Fund (Consolid.itcd Statutes, cap. '2i\) - l.i(M.'e.>ds ivaliscd to 1st July, ISd?, .Sl,r)'_'0,U.V.).24- aft.T deduct iuK Land Iniia-oveniiMit Fund portion bt'longini^ to < hit: S'.d.'-'Ol 71 Capital dfclarrd ouiu^c to thy late I'rovincc of Canada l.ytho Pouiinion Aut(»7 Vic cap, 4)- !?r),:i'.t7,r)0;U:f, lioariut,' intciv p 00 t:57.;!tii ;!;• -71.->7:i 7:' ■■'.7:"'l,S77 >s'.) .•*4.07:' 00 .■^tlL'S.'.MI 14 Total s7.1:^:?,455 OS LIAI-.U.ITIKS OF Tin: IMIOVIXCK AT IMM'.Sl'NT I'A V AliLK. 1, nalance due t.i Municiialities rt Surplus Di-tnlmtion . •'sl.i^Ol ;'4 L>. I'alanc' 'in.' to Muuiciiialitirs vr Land improvement lurd. Interest •; ( tn. -bee's ^luue of ('nlilUion School Fuud UKld.' n]i as follo'AS : Collections 10 Slst December, bSSS, on account of lands .sold between 14th .Tune. iSoi^, and 3,250 57 i;ih March, 1 SOI T,ess C. j.ivr c-nt co.-t of ni;!nair"iii''nt . .*s,S'.i.48."> 0:i .ss;;(;.ii.-i m I,t..s orie-quarter for Lau'l rmprovemeiit Fund l'OD.Q-JS '.)S S()-J7,0SC> 05 Collections to ;',lst 1 )ecember, ISSS. on sales made .since Cth March, ISr.l s."d7.5;i 1 00 Less t> per cent, cost of nianagenii nt P.i.055 C, I _^ .S'.f25. ('.•_>,". 40 tjuiibec's ]>r"liortion according to iiopnlation of' 1S81 oNij.-J, ,, 82 Total 83S7.S05 73 Surtilr.s of assets after ih-lucting liabilities pn.'.sentiy payable !|<(i, 7:54,040 85 .^•'J Illi: lln\. A, I;' »>. I!) II IS 00 -i :',7r.i,s77 81) 00 00 *4.07-'- 00 >:ti-2S".)-n 11 s7.lL^-J,4:'.'» iJS VAI'.LK. M,2r>(; 57 •_>S '.)S si; !»■) :i.s 4') •_'•"> 40 . 8387.805 73 ?ii;,7:?4,<;4'.) 85 I may UK-ntiou, .Mr. Sp,>iik..r. tlmt il,,; sum of .'=".iij.-.,(i-.'.-). 10 that iii-p.-urs in tho stateniHiitof lial.ilitie.s, in coiui«-ction with th.-CominoM School Fund, will not appear a,i,'aiu in the statonu-nt of assets anrl lial)ilities of the I'ro. vince. hecause, in aoconlanc, with the arraniren)eiu niaJe verl.ally when at Ottawa, instructions have heen sent to the I )oMunion ( iovernment to transfer from the general amount at tiie credit of the Province this sum of >'925,G2.M0 to the Comm.m Srhool Fund. This will not afVect our assets or lialiiliti.'s in any way, hecau.se it is merelv a transfer from th.' credit that we haw in n><< coupons were paid ..Mr. rfarris credited the whole to Tile Drainage accounts, instead of crediting •^"» tu interest and .$."> to to Tile Drainage. He made the same error in regard to Drainage Assessments, which are all on the instalment plan, the annual instalments including both interest and principal. Some of the ^lunicipal Drainage debentures arc on this same plan, ami .Mr, Harris treated them in the same way. Then, in some cases where reductions were made in Drainage Assessment loans by Order in Council, 'i<» IINANCIAI. STATKMI'NT of Mr. Harris wliilc takiii-,' account of tliosi' reductions in the I'raina;,'*' liouks, (lid nol carry them into the i,'eneriil U-d^ei- ttccounts. These Hdjustini,' entries in Stattnient No. :'., ai'e to corre(,-t these errors, and to lirinu; the liiihiuces of llu se draina^'f accounts in tlie Icdi,")' into correspondence witii tlu' actual amount of these dtdjeiitures h<'l(l, oi the amount of capital unpaid. I intorm<'d t\u'. House last veiir, that I had calculations made as to how each loan would he dealt ^ith in re^'ard to the n.'duction of interest from Ti to 1 per cent. I hav.' this last year, had idl these calculations revised and re-e.xaniined, and liave sent statements to all the municipalities shewing,' the reductions to which they are entitled. Mr. Speaker, neither tlu; (Jovernment nor the 'Ireasurtu' cun 1)1) held iesponsil)le for errors of this kind, unless for the responsibility ot keeping an otliciul who is found to l>e inetlicient. It is utterly impossihlo that the Treasurer can personally examine every entry in the cash l>ook or journal. He must trust to the Accountant for the actual work. 1 can only say, that as soon as I was aware of iiow Mr. Harris was keeping the accounts, 1 took ste])s at once to put these accounts on a proper footings and the Government came to the conolusion that, however reluctant they were to remove otticera who have been in the service for many years, a change must hf made in the ollice of Assistant Treasunir and Accountant, and Mr. Harris was asked to resign. A new Assistant Treasurer has been appointed of large experience in banking and financial matters, and T have had a new set of books on a dillerent system adopted, which will simplify and l)ring under more thorough check the transactions of the Treasury Department. Uefore ]Mr. Harris's retirement, I pressed upon him the adoption of this new plan, but it is ditftcult to get those lon^ accustomed to one method to accommadate themselves to changes. In former years, Mr. .Speaker, the contention has been frequentlv made that the Trust Funds in the hands of the Dominion ought not to l,>c taken as assets. That contention, in view of the admissions in the Dominion Accounts, can no longer be made with any show of reason. The Dominion, 'n the accounts furnished to the Province, admit them all as credits at exactly the amounts given in this statement, with the exception of the Common School Fund ; but while they do not credit us directly with this Ill: iln\. A, M, I'.nss. 21 I the I)raiuiii,'<' counts. Thcso f>s(' errors, aii and (jiueliei . and we only take credit for our share of it, upon wiiich share the Dominion pay ui interest half-yearly. In the recast of tlie le counts sent by the Donunion in l!^8(I, they admit a balance to the credit of * >ntarin of ,*4,17"), 27G, adding to wliicii our share uf the Common School Fund SiS01,-02 makes a total credit according t^ the>e accotuits of .*.'», 000.477, while in our stateiufint we placr the iuih»unt held liy ihem at .Sr»,7;'> 4.1577. The ditlerenciMs caused by the l>ominiou .•harging various payments niadr on account of Ontario since OontWleratioti, the, most of them in the (arliei years of 1807-8-9. These we do not take intf) account in our state- ment as they have nol Iteeu yet allowed or settled, and also liecause we have ceitain charges to oll'set against them : l)Ut it is likely that some reduc tion on the balance as claimed by us ma\ have to lie allowed on accotmt ot these payments wh(;n .settlement is made. NN'ithin the last tew wiH'ks, however, another re-cast ol the accounts has l»een received from the Kinatice .Minister, which shew.s a largely re" duced iialauce to the credit of the Province as (compared with the state- ment of 1880, a? to which I think it necessary particularly to refer. 1 11 legard to the adjustment of these unsettled accounts with the Doiiiiui MU, I was in hopes that I would have been enal)led to announce to the llou-e at this Session that a final setth'iuent had oeen eH'c-.ted of all outstanding accounts, except, perhaps, those preposterous Indian claims, which r on a former occassion referred to, and^which by conaeut have lieen piieou-holed, and from which 1 trust they will never l)e resurrected. I think this settlement would liy this date have been accomplished had progress not been blocked liy the extraordinary attitude assumed l)y the I'^lnance Minister of the Dominion, as to the interest to l)e allowed and charge. I upon the current Ijalances of these accounts. The position taken by the Dominion is of such serious import to the Province, that 1 think it proper to put the House and the people of the Province in possession of the facts. The IJritish North America Act, under which the old Provinces of Canada, comprising Ontario and Quebec, was merged in the Dominion, contained provisions for the settlement of the debts and liabilities of the O'? i'l-NANClAI. STATKMKNT (M old ProNuicH. 0(n-t;iiu of the assets were declared Ijy that Act to helonj^ to Untaiio ami (juelH'c coujoint]}'. and provision was made for an arbitra- tion to divide or apportion these assets and all del)ts, liabilities and i)ro- perties not specially dealt with by the British North America Act. That arbitration met in February, 1S7U, and on the 3rd day of September of tliat year made tlieir award. By that award certain special or Trust Funds ni the hands of the Dominion were declared to be the property of Ontario, and certain other similar funds to lie the proiierty of Queliec. 'i'las was the tirst step towards settlement, and had the award b.'cn accepted by all parties, proceedings might at once iiave been taken to settle the details. Quebec, however, disputed the award and appealed to the Privy Council, and it was not until March, 1S7S, that the decision of the Privy Council, confirming the award, left the way open for negotiations for a final statle- ment of the accounts. During all those years the Dominion had been holding and using the moneys represented ]>y these funds, and had been leceiving and paying moneys on account of the old Province of Canada, and on account of the separate Provinces— in fact had l)een acting as Trustee for winiing ui) the estate of tlie old Pioxince of Canada, and as Banker for Ontario and (,»uebec ,.o far as the Trust Fuiuis were concerned. A joint examination and allowance of these receii)ts and paynumts by the financial (.rticers of the Dominion and the I'l'ovinces. was necessary to a linal settle nu^nt. From various causes of delay, which the published correspondence discloses, no meeting took place until November, 1882, when the Treasurers of the Provinces proceeded to Ottiiwa to meet the Finance Minister. They were met by Mr. Courtney, the D.'puty Finance Minister, and t!ie arrange- ments for procedure towards settlement at once entered upon. The Hrst thing that was required was a statenuiut of accounts, and suggestions were .liscussed as to how that statement should l)e matle out, and upon what l-rinciple interest on the yearly balances should be allowed. It was mially suggested by the Treasurers that a balance should be struck yearly, and the interest carried into tlu; account, either debit or ci'edit, half-yearly, that is, the intere.st Avas to be compounded. Mr. Courtnev, acting for the Finance Mniister, approved of the sugges- tion, and said the proposal was a reasonable one, and it was at once ),ut in writing in the shape of a memorandum and signed by the Treasurer.s. Mr. •nil', 11' »N. A. M. IIOSS. •-'8 iit Act to lielon^ i for an aibitra- l)ilitif.s and |iro- rica Act. 'Pliat >f Septi'iiiljei' of or 'riu.sl Funds lerty of Ontario, ibec. This was acci'pted liy all ttlo the details. Privy Council, Privy Council, :>v a tinal settle- iniou had been i, and had been ince of Canada, ctin,<; as Trustee d as Banker for !rnod. A joint by the tinancial lo a final settle correspondence 1 the Treasurers linister. They lid the arrantre- [ion. The lirst xggestions were md upon what owed. It was ! struck yearly, dit, hall-yearly, I of tilt- suijges- at once put in easurer.s. Mr. Courtney took the moiuo. into the adjoiuiui: room to show tu Sir L-onard Till.7, and gave the Treasurers tn understand that Sir Leonard approved of ir. Mr. Courtnev prouiiscd tohav.> the acJMints nnd ■ out in accordance tin'rewith. The Treasunn-.s called uj-an Sir Leonai-d to p ly their respects to hini before leaving, and Sir Leoiru-d expressed his pleasure at the amicable nature of their confenmce with Mr. Courtney, and his gratification that they had come to an agivemenl. T^h(; foregoing is the substance of Mr. Wood's evidence of what took place at this interview. The meiuorauduin signed by the Treasurers and approved of by Sir Leonard and Mr. Courtney, was as follows:— MKMORANDU.M WITIIOIT KKIM t'DU'i;. The Treasurers of the Prnviucs of Ontario and Queliec having met to discuss the suliject of a settlement of accounts between the two Provincs and the Dominion, are of opinion that before proceeding their-to. it is ex- pedient that a statement of accounts l)etween the Dominion and each of tiie two Provinces should be prepared, showing for . ach yoa.r on the debit side the various amounts paid, giving date or average date and the various amounts chargeable to each Province, and on the credit side the amount of subsidy, of interest on school funds, on widows' pensions and un-omputed stipemls, Upper Canada and Lower Canada, on th- amount .omiug to each Province under the award for the library and ou ( 'ommon School lands and i\o\s\\ Lands, improvement funds and other services. They are further of opinion that a balance should be struck vearly, and tliat in arriving at such a b;ilance, interest sliould be allowed or charg.' I half-yearly, and that thr- amounts determined liy award lo bo taken as llu' i^asis so f.ir as it applies .0 the statement in ([uestion. The Treasurers then^fore beg to re-iuest that such a statement be pre- pap>d and lurnished to them at an early date, and that all ..peciai funds be (•arried to the credit of tlie I'rocmcc to which they i-espectivelv ni-p-'ftain, as on 1st July, 18G7. ^ 8. C. WOOD, Treasur-'r (if Ontario. Ottawa, ■-';>i'd Xoveirinister, and his Deputy, Mr. (Jourtney,— which is not denied— and 1 may say here nearly all the negotiations and correspondence has l.een with .Mr. Courtney,— would l>e accepted l>y most people as binding th.; Dominion in good faith to alnde by it, but the subsequent action of the Dominion ( lovernment and Its Finance Department, has ratified and continued that approval by i-e- peated acts of concurri'iice and acquiescence. The preparation of the accounts on this proposed plan was at once put in progress by the Finance Minister. The date of the memo, it will be observed was November, 18s2. \n dune following, enquiries commenced to be made by the Treasurers of the Provinces as to when the accounts in preparation would be ready. These enquiries were repeated fron) time to time, and Mr. Courtney^s replies to them all clearly indicate that the accounts could not l)e sent until submitted to and appi'oved of by the Financ. Minister and the < ■'jvernment. Let nu; read you a fe^v as ,a sample. The full correspondence will be found in the copy of these account, submitted to Parliament in 18Si. On -JGrd June, 1883, 3Ir, Courtney writes Mr. Wurtele :~ " tn reply to that part of it askin- wIkmi the accounts will be ready fo)' settlement between the two Provinces and the Dominion, [ l;a.ve the honour to state that the accounts are now ),einL,^ sent to .he printer, and on their return will be submitted to the Covernmrmt. I expect thev will await the return of Sir Leonard Tillej fron, Kngland, and no doubt they will l>e taken up in 8epteml)er next." On ;)rd October, 1883, .Mr. Courtney a.gain writes Mv. Wurtele : - "I have the honour to nckuowle^lge the receipt of y.nn- hater of 1st mst, respecting the accounts betw.-en the Provinces of Ontario and (Quebec and the Dominion, and in reply thereto [ liavc to sav that the accounts are only just finished, and as soon as -Sir Leonard Tilley r.^tnrns to Ottawa they w.ll i.e snbn.itted to hi.n, and f will th.-n take steps that the subject will have early consideration."' Again on lL>th Xovend.er, 188:1, he writes to Quebec; — " In .'epiy, I iH-r to say that the accounts so far as thev are ready have been submitted to the >rinister of Finance, ami lam directed to 'inform T[li: IK.X, A. M. i:o.ss. •J.') ster, and his ,y here neai'ly . Courtney, — in good faith vernmcnt and proval liy re- s at onci' put no. it will l)e ^ coiniiipncpd 3 accounts in from tinit' to ; the accounts the Financr lence will ! n 18S1. )e 1)0 roiidy for e the honour lud on their il! await the they will l)e rtele : — letter of Isl and Quebec accounts are Dttawu tliey subject will ready, liave d to inform you that tlie Government i-egret tluit they are not in a posicion at present to take up tlie matter." On the L'Gth June, 18S3, Mr. Courtney writes to Hon. James Young : " T am now finishing the accounts lietween the old Provinces of Canada, the Provinces of Ontario and (^)uel»ec and the dominion, and I will send them for convenience to the printer, so that the case may Ije complete. I iiope that the Ministry may consider them lietween this and September, and if I can Iwill endeavour to make arrangement-; that ^tr. Wurtele and yourself may i)e here towards the end of September, to liave the tiual settlement. " On the 8t]i October, lS8.j, the Acting ijepury Financ Minister writes to the Assistant Treasurer of Ontario : — " I have the honour to ai;knowledge the receipt of your l(>tter of i'>tii mst., respecting tlie unsettled accounts lietween the [J)ominion and th. Provinces of Ontario and (.•ucbcc. ;i.nd in renlv to the same I have to sav that thf accounts are only just linished, and as soon as Sir Leonard Tilley returns to Ottawa, they will l)f> pi-esmited to him, md st'-ps will then be taken for an early consideration of the matter."' And on 'J^th November, 1S."^:J, Mr. Courtney writes to the sann- olUcial : — "I have tlie honour to acknowledge the receipt of your letter of lUth iust., rt'specting the settlement of the accounts b"twt'en the ! .dominion anil till' Provinces of Ontario and '^)uebec, and in reply thereto I beg to say that the accounts, so far as they are ready, have been sulimitted to the .^[inister of Finance, and 1 am directed to inform yon that the Government regret that they are not in a position at present to takf up the matter." Xow, the preparation and transmission of the accounts, in view of this correspondence, cannot lie said to be miMcly a ncitter of form for wliich the Covernnii'ut of the Dominion had no respousiliility. II" it were, why the necessity of these repeated delays until they could lie submitted for approval, not even nu-rely to the Finance Minister, but for t!ie concurrence of the whole Go\-eriniient ? The accounts wei-e at last transmitted by the Kinanc(.' ^linister to the Treasurers, on 17th December, 1 SS:>, made out according to tlie pi-inciple a^'reed upon at the meeting of 1S8"2. and embodied in the memorandum. During the thirteen months that they were in pre- 'H; F1\A\( |A[. ST ATI: Ml -.NT Ol paratioii, not a word of objection was raised as to the proposed calculation of intei'<'st, nor when the acconnts w.-io transnritted, was any hint given tliat they were made out on a phtn disapproved of l)y the D.)nunion ( Jovcrn- nient. !>o you not think it reasonal)ie to Itelieve, Mr. Speaker, if t]iesf computing the inn-i'est. ■ Xo such intimation was given. But not only Mcn> tlie I'rovincial Treasurers led to believe that thesa accounts and the credits for interest had the full approval of the ''overn- nient, liut the whole people of Canada were publicly formed by the Finance I\Iinister. that these same accounts with the compound interest plainly shewn, were the accounts betweeji the Dominion and t})e Provinces, as fui'nished by the Finance Minister after full consideration and approval, because, these same accounts were in the session ot 188-1 presented to I'arliament. If the Dominion did not feel bound by the computation of interest sliown in these accounts, was it not the plain and obvious duty of tJie Finance Minister to have informed Parliament, that although the accounts shewed compound interest, the Dominion only intended to allow simple interest at o per cent., but no such intimation was given. Then from December. 1883, to October, 188-t, numerous letters were continually passing between the Provincial Treasurers and the Finance Department, asking and giving explanations of various items m the account. In all that correspondence not a whisper of any objection is made as to the interest shewn in them. Then at last, in October, 1881, a conference of th(^ Trea- surers with the Finance Minister, at Ottawa, is arrang(;d. The Treasurer.s were accompanied .at the confeivnce with some of their assistants. The Finance Minister, his Deputy :\Ir. Courtney, and several of the stalf of the Finance Department were also [.resent. The Finance .Alinister placed before every member at the tal.le, a copy of tliese sanie accounts, and an examina- tion and settlement of details began. For two days that examination continued. Difference of opinion arose as to many items, discussion took place, and information was asked as to points in dispute, but not one word II' »\. A. Ui )s- - i t'll calculation iiy hint given inion (Jovprn- laker, if tliost! jliaiicc with a olated liy the M\y thi.^ trans- iccounts were 1 1 iiy 111.' mode ve tiiat these the ''overii- )riiied by the ound interest he J'rovinces, md approval, presented to mputation of vious duty of although the ided to allow ?iven. Then e continually Department^ In ail that > the interest of the Trea- le Treasurers stants. The e start' of the placed before an exauiina- exaniination cussion took aot one word wns said l>y the Finince Minister, or any of his stall', thai these same accounts, whicli at his invitation we were tiien i-xaminin" and discussinr\ were improperly made out, or interest improperly credited : and that not- withstanding, that an almost direct imitation was givt-n him to make riiat objection if he entertained il. That invitation arose in this way. At the previous Session of Parliament, you will recollect an Act was passed grant- ing to Ontario and Quebec, a sum to reimburse them for the interest which had b(!en charged them on the surphis deltt of .^10,000,000 odd. ))etween 181)7, and 187-', when this surplus debt was assumed. The Treasurers claimed that as this Act had Ikmh passed since the ac;:(Kints had been made out, new accounts should l>e made on the l)asis that both principal and intc/est had been assumed by the Dominion, and that the account, so far as the old Province of Canada was concerned, should commence with a clean sheet from July, 187:5, and this we asked, because in the accounts we were charged compound interest on the debt, while the sum gi-anted 1)V the Act of 1884 did not allow compound interest, and we enquired hew the interest in that Act had l>een calcaluted >. \ making the remark at the time, that it appeared to me the calculations were neither en the firinciple of simple or compound. Sir Leonard said the calculations had been made by the olHcers of the Department, and which he supposed wre correct, Imt that a statement would be furnisheil us of how it had been made up. Now, if any idea liafl at that time been entertained that compound interest was not to Ite allowed, was this not the time to have said so, and was this reference to th" interes' question not a direct invitation to make the announcement? l)Ut not a word of such was spoken, and the conference liroke u|> without one wor ; i)eing said to intimates that tlu^ accounts were not made up on a prin^'iph acceptable to all. 1 have said it w,is arranged that a re-.'ast of the ac .••nints in con- 'quenc (>f the Act of 18SI, should li' prepired. Tnit rcvcast was [)c'epired liy the Finance Minister, under his own full direction and control. That re-cast was sent to the Treasurers on lltii -lanuary, 188t). That this I'c-cast had not been sent until it was submitted to and a]iprv riNASClAi, srAlKMIlNT oi' " accounts an; now Vxing ovcrhaul(;d, unci 1 trust wlien the Preniier returns "tlie matter will lie at once laken up. The Minister of Finance has only " just been installed, and as yet I have not been able to hrinnj the niattev to '■ his notice, hut I think that early xiext month, 1 shall he able to get matters " in some shape."' Now tiere is a direct intimation, that the re-rast could not be sent until it had been sub'miltod not only to the Finance Minister, Ijut to the ['reniic;r. It was seat no doubt with their approviil, and that re-cast contained the interest compounded on the same i)rincipl(! as in the former accounts. Is it conceivable tliat the Finance' Minister would liave attain made out the accounts, allowing; compound interest without a word of ol)Jection, if that inti-rest was not accepted as correct by the (lovernment 1 Again by referriiig to our Sessional l^apers, you will see that from the date of the tirst furnishing of tlie aceounts in 1883, a continuous corres- pondence was carried on between the Treasurer and the Finance Depart- ment, in regard to items of debit and credit in these accounts, l)ut there is not during those six years in all that correspondence, a single ol)jection as ti the mode in vvhich the interest had been computed, or any reference or suggestion that tiie interest i[uestion was unsettled. At last, on tho --l-th October last, another meeting with the Finance Miui.\;ter was arranged, and the Treasurers of the Provinces met Mr, Fo^^ter to finally settle the iccount.s if possible. Then were we for the tirst time met with tlu; intima- tion, that these n-ccounts which had l»aen furnished to tlie I'rovinces by his predecessors, were all vrrong — that the interest was made up on a wrong bai^is — that the agi'ecMnent of 1882, which for .■^ix years all parties had lieen a-.ting upon, would not 1)e adhered to, and that the Dominion would only allow .') per cent, simple, instead of 5 per cent, compound, as had been aicr"ed upon. And what was the plea upon which this act of repudiation was taken ' it was that the memo, of 1882 w;is " without pn^judice," was not signed by the Dominion, and that th*; Dominion (rovernment \:vro tiierefore not legally bound by it. That in making out the accounts in aecordance' with th(^ meniorandiiui, they were merely com[)lying witli a rei|iiesc of the Treasurers, and that there was no pn^cedent for allowing c nipound interest, Mr Wood stared that the reason why the memoranduni was made with out prejudice, was that i.he Tniasurers felt that they could not bind their Wniikai^ TIIH HON. A M. IM'SS. •>!l ) Premier returns Finance has only •inc; tlie niattca- to ible to <^et matters the re-cast coul as in the former vo again made out •d of oljjection, if iient 1 see that from the ■outinu')us corres- Finance Depart- )unts, but tlu^ro is ingle ol)jection as ' any reference or i last, on tlio '2ith A'V was arranged, I finally settle the t with the iutima- ' J'rovinces by his do up on a wrong il parties had been linion would only und. as had l)een .ct of repudiation ut prejudice," was Grovernment \,ero t the accounts in •om plying with a lent for allowing: m was made with- dd not bind tlieir < iovennnents without consulting them, and this was for the purpose oi giving them tuniiiitted to them before being sent to the Provinces, that this mode of computin- dii' interest could not be agrei-d to, it might then have been open to them to say, w(! cannot agree to this jiriueiple, but when tliescs accounts were sub- mitted to them for their approval before being sent out ; when they were transmitted to the Provinces with their approval, auiJ. without a word to to indicate any objection to the interest sliewu ; wdien for six years ihey have without raising this question, permitted correspondence to go oi^ as to all other disputed points; when they hav(> themselves made two sub sequent editions or re-casts of these same accounts on the .same lines, and submitted them to Parliament ; when they have met in conference I'the Treasurers) and discussed all points of ditfereuc(; suggested, without rai-ing this (question ; when, I say, they have by tliese repeated and continuous acts» given tacit and active acl •■;. Tii<; Ciei-y Keserve Fund a.\'<.unts, l.otli Upper and F-owcr Canada, wcr«.' LTodited in the same vvay witli interest on the quarterly balances, which interest was add.^d to principal, on whicli interest was again allowed. I. The special account witli the Uoninion 8chool lands was dealt with in the same way, int.-rest credited (piarterly to principal. ■>. The (Grammar School Fund was treated in the same way. oiHiuion as tribes. allowed to rant as an we claim it s, for which • money for . intere.st at Ontario will never consent to Ix'ilie the other Provinces with lier own >ii())iey to secure her just ri<,dits. if any idea of opening a way to make 'grants to the other Provinces at our expmise is at the hottom of this stran:,'e proce(!ding, 1 can only say Inr myself — and I think 1 express the sentiments of the people of Ontario — I would not accept our claim upon such cotulitions. Ontario will never consent to this injustice. She has right, justice and eiiuity in demanding that the agreement of ]'^'^2 should he carried out in good faith, and 1 very much misjudge the people .if < 'ntario if they do nol nnaiumously, irrespective of ])arty, insist on its fultilni'Mit. Now, Mr. Speaker, my justiticatiou for ref'i-ring to this question at such length, is that it is a serious i|uestion for Ontario. It involves a ditfeience of nearly a million dollars to the Province. The difference according to the new accounts sul)mitted, as they make them up on their j)h^u of .") per cent, simple int(>rest, shews a lo.ss to the Province of 88.57,1)0') as compared with their own accounts formerly reudei-etl. 15ut tluu'e is on(> point, Mv. Speaker, htfore I leav." this (piestion of the settlement of accou7its which f ought to liave mentioned. To assume, foi' the sake of argument, that the agreement of lo<82 was not hinding, why -houid the Province l)e required to accept only T) per cent, simple interest.' 1 think the law is, .Mr. Speaker, that where no agreement is made, the cial rate of interest shall be allowed, which is 'i per cent. It may be aid that under the British North America Act provision is made that Pi'ovinees entering Confederation with a certain amount of debt beyond what they were allowed are to be chargei.l 5 per cent, interest upon that debt, and that other Provinces enti'ring t'onfederatiou with le^.- debt than tliey were aUowed ar(> ta ha credited with 5 per cent, interest, but this is a provision expressly couhned to thi.- i[Uestion of excess of dcibt, by tin- terms of the Act. It has no application to accounts sucli a-, these, and surelv if we are not entitled to ."> [)er cent, compound interest (which T claim we' ave, from all the circumstances laid I>efore tlu; House), then why should they say: "We will only allow you o per cent, instead of "l per cent, simple interest?" Why, these very a'.'counts sulmntttHl in 1888 contain a uundier of items charged against the Province of Ontario and the old I'ro\ince of Canida with interest allowed liy the Dominion I 32 K1\AN< lAI. STATK.MKNl" 01' to lIih iiidividuals who.se claiiii.s tlu'V liavc paid at ''• per cent. Surely if the Doiuiiiion coii-idcr Lliemselves bound to pay f) per cent, upon arrears of payment to parties liavint,' claims against the I'rovince, are they not bound to pay us *'> per cent, upon arrears due to us.' I should think that would follow as a matter of course. IJut, another thin;,', you must recollect that their claim is tjiat wt; are only to receive '» per cent, simple interest from the date of Confederation. Now, it is well known that for many years atter Confederation the Dominion wei-e paying ti per cent, for money borrowed, liut they say to us : " Wt- will only allow you .") per cent." i nuiy al^o say, as stated before, that the Dominion (iovernment allow interest on the Indian Fund at C per cent., and also to the Seignories ol Lower Canada. 1 have h(n'(j Ihr Public Accounts of tlie Dominion for 186i showing that. 1 lind on ]»age \'2 : — " 1 uterest on 'J'rust Funds : — Indian Fund — For one year's interest to :>Otli June, 1S84, on 81, 107,81:?. 9 1, at •'• per cent, per annum, $GG,1GS.78.'' Then 1 have, immediately following :— " Conipensation to Seigniors, L. C. — Half-year's interest to Lst July, 1883, on 8198,073, at G per cent, per annum, 8-">, 9-12.19 ;" and, following that, "Half-year's interest to Lst January, 1884, on 8190,110.07, at G per ••ent. per annum, S5, 70^5. 3 •J." Then, if you turn to the Special Accounts, you will see that interest is actually compounded. Take Indian Trust Fund Account, it says; — Balance at credit of this fund on 30th June, 1883. . . 83,150,980 Interest accrued during the year on fui\ds in the hands of the Dominion Government 153,810 This is credited to Principal Account, and interest allowed on it the next year, so that in regard to Indian Trust Fund Account the Do- minion allows per cent, compound interest, while they only allow us .") per cent, simple. Mr. Speaker, although this extraordinary position taken by the Finance Minister has prevented a tinal settlement being arrived at, still some progress has been made towards it. I may say, we have practically settled the old Province of Canada account. I have previously informed the House that the Treasurers contended that the effect of the Acts of 1873 and 1884 was i;ent. Surely I' cent, upon lip I'roviucc, s due 10 us.' uiioUit-r tliiu'', vc .") p( ]• cent. ■11 known tliat iig tl jiiT cent. low you T) |)0i' L (Jovernnicnt the Sfignorics: the Dominion r's intoiest to , |GG,46S.78." to Lst July, ind, following 0.G7, at G per lat interest is says : — 5,150,986 153,816 wed on it the ount the Do- only allow us )y the Finance . some progress lettled the old le House that and 1884 was riiK ihi\, A. M iKis.N :v.\ to >.Mnc(^l the surplus dclit of .-'! ()..j(l(;.OSS with wliicii ( 'lUario ami <^>ih'1,(',' had undt'i' the J>. X. A. Act, infcrod tlic honiinion, and iip^n which )unl licen chargcil interest; in .)tlu'r \\(uv|s, wr conlfnded that the Dominion hy those Acts, assumed that surplus delit as at tlic datr of ( "onledciration. The Act of 187;> assumed tie' juiiuipal : t!i(( Act of 1SS| gav us the interest. It was agreed at tin cont'crencc ihat our i-ontcnlinn should lie carried out in the accounts, arid that th(> dcht with which Ontaiio and (.Jnebec Joi'iflv, should 1)(^ entitled to enter confederation, should l»e [)laced in the accounts at .^7.">,OOG,()8S instead of sGL',r)00,t)UU as in the I'ornier accdunts, as the amount of li;iltiliti(;s assume two Province.-; have adverse? interest, have falhMi through for the present. It appears tiiat some mi-AUiuUirstandiug has taken place as to what was understood at a personal confen!nce with Mr. MercieT and his Treasun'r. ^Ir, jNFowat. myself and othei' nuMiibeis of the ( iovei'nm.Mit understood that the Land Improvement l-'und particularly, was to b<' re- ferred, a« well as the interest on tlu^ t'ommoii School Fund and nther uiatter.s. Mr. Mercier, it appear.s, understood that tlie interest on the Com- mon School Fund only was to be referred. To shew clearly what our understanding was, it was announced to the Ifouse last Session tliat the Luml rmprovement Fund was to be referred, aiul we took power in the Act providing for the arbitratiipu to refer this ipuistion and all other matters. Mr. Mercier only asked from his Legis- lature, power to refer the Common School Fund. It is unfortunate that :M. IIN \N( I \l, s.'ATKMIN r ul' fliis ililli'inu'i' has arisrii, as it woiii'l If iiuuli ncLtci to stUtltr all tlu'SP luutlfrs In a frit'iully ail>it rat ion, tliiin t,o hiiv<' ria'Diirsc to law. As (^iiultec lias i('lus<'(l to ariiiiiatc, 1 tliiiii. the i >..iiiiiiii)ii .-anies in turn have appealed. 1 supiJO.si; the iloiisc is aware that, in accordanc(! with the annouucfMiient made last So.ssion, all our policies were allow( d to expire on 1st May last, since wiiicli wc have earned no insurance on oiii' Provincial liuildings. Since these policies have licen allosvod to expire a tire has taken place at the Agiieultura! College, involving a loss of 620,000, on which we formerly earrietl an insurance of S]4^()()(), aii policy of insuring our l)uildiugs is clearly unprutitable. I would not attempt to say that any individual should give up insuring, but the (iovernment, having its ri.sks scattered over th<' whole Province, is not in the same position as an indivi- dual, inasmuch as no loss that the Government might sustain could involve •iiii; HON. \. M, iioss. •>•> tl(! all thcKi As <^»ll(l)C( , tilt' iiiiiuunt [Ucstrd tlKMii P so iiu'linotl. i^inst the old I I (liiiik hhr (if the iiimii if the House I so t'lir ill its )ss su stained s I iiit'oriuod enty-six coin- four resisted udgiiient was in turn have nee with the 1 to expire on 111' Provincial tire has tiiken lOO, on whicli ice some may J, is one that of seventeen uraiice of our en teen years ved tor losses companies ol' Ron years is a insuring our say tliat any viny; its risks as an indivi- could involve niiri siieli as it mii,dit in I lie case of an individiiiil, liierefMic tlic (J.ivi rn- meiit considered, l> it prutitidile to {i:iy insuiMiicf companies premiuiiis and have them dispute our claims ulicn presented, or nm our "wn risks? Several lar;,'(! mercaiitilf companies do not insure for the same reasons ; their risks are spread over a l;i.ri;e territory, not involving,' any Lireat loss at one time, uiid therefore they can aH'oi'd in t:ike the risk of insuring their own i)uildings. .Now. if we had renewed our policies, I wouhl have had to ask the If )use tor ;iii estimati' of 0:»LV)t)l), and, supposin.; we had recc'ived 61 1, QUO for the liie at the Ai,'ricullural ( 'ollege, we would .still have had to pay >i-ent y(;ar. The Estimates are in the hands of hon. gentlemen, I will run over the amounts, with some little (•..umitMits in connection with thiMii. For t'ivil (iovernment our t>stimate for this year is >^212,1 to, an incre.ise of .S13,300 apparently over last year, imt lion, gentlemen will see thai an item of A9.47G is transferred Iroin Agriculture to Civil Government, com- prising the salaries and expenses of the staH'of the Minister of Agriculture, formerly called the Bureau of Industries. lie is now a Minister under Civil Government, and we thought it hut right that that should We trans- ferred. This amount is therefoi'e not an increase. Then for Legislation we ask sl2ti,0"tO, agiinst an e\.pendiTuiv ii< 188S of i^ 1 27,030. We are making a saving in connection with the item of Sessional ^Yl■iter.s, which we hoiH> to be ,il)|e to c irry out tliis year. Then for Printing and P.inding, we spent last year >2r.,;'.(;-l. and we are asking this year only S2.1,(l0(». Then lor jirinting Hills -as I said before this is a matter beyond our control, uidess we should pass a l.iw that lion, member- should only be allowe(l to introduiv one Hill to amend the law nl.ating to . one subject in one session. ••'' ll.NANtlAi, .VlATKMI.N'l ()L Then for A.Ii.uhi.stratiou o( Justice we ask s3G5,;U(; ; oui cxviuliturc ih l,^,vs was s;)7;j,S98. As 1 said hffoiv, litiyatinn of constitutional questions iuvoived last year an over-rxpenditinv of 89,00U. We only put the amount at Sl-,U(lU for 188!), instead of .-■L'l.OOO asked in 1888. Then for Education we ask s.)S8,.S7l' as against an expenditure in 1888 of 8rj7'.t, lOrj. Koi- PaI>Iic Institutions Maintenance we estimate .$730,081, oure.xpenditure in 18ss |„,ia. s7l'!,<;02. I have already observed 'that the inereaM' in that ser\iee is one which we cannot very well control. We wish we could curtail it. hut it is an expenditure which must be inet. 1-or Immigration we are only asking 86,850, a-ainst an expendi- tun. last year of 87,^2. I^or Agriculture, 8142,287 against 8137,051 cxpended in 1888. Th<. increase in rhis is in connection with the Experimental Farm, and is mainly due to the necessity of n^placing th(! losses in fodder, grain and implements, caused by the late fire. For Hospitals and Charities we ask sl20,52>^, against an expendi- ture last year .,f 8113.0X0, the increase being in connection with new institutions thai hav lu'en place,l upon the schedule and submitted for the approxal of the House. Then for Maint( nance and Kepairs we ask .8(;i,I 40, against an expenditure in 1888 of 804,170. For I'ubli.' Ibuldings we are a.sking the large sum of 847 1,03.;. That comprises new expenditures and large sums in connection with the following buiidiii<^s ■ Cottages at Alimico, 8211,004: Asylum for Idiot,., Orillia. .4o,000 • for new buildings at the School of Practical Science, 850,000, and s20,000 lor the n,.w farm buildings at the Agricultural College. The.e fou'r it(mis -nake up 831 1,000 out of the 8 171,030. The balance is for various build- ings throughout the FroMuce. I may say that the vote asked this year is th.' largest yet asked for Public Buildings with tlu" <.xception of the year 187:;, when we took a vote of -8235,000 for the Ceiitial Prison. For Public Works we are asking 830,759 against an expenditure last year ot s 12,870. For Colonization Heads we ask 898,150 as a-.tinst ^^1 12,2, 3 expended last year. For Charges on Crown Lands we esti^nrate 8101,900 against 890,73 1 expended in 1 8SS. y.,, P.f,„.ds we ask s-'5 55" a^a.ust an expenditure last year of 827,703. F ,. Consolidation of Statutes we estimate to require 81.000 to supplen.ent the .'xpemliture of 8:5] S91 last year. For Miscellaneous we ask 87.i,041. against an exp.nditure'last r^M ■\}i'iuliturc ii.slitutioiml Vc only put u'f' in 1888 ' 6730,084, crved that ntroi. We e Diet. 1 oxpendi- : .^137,054 with the ■ i'('placing late fire, I I'xpendi- witli new submitted d ]lepairs ^r ]*ul)li(; arises new huijdinii;.s : :»,000- for 20,000 for 'our it(ni)s ous build- lis year is the year liture last IS against e.stiuuite k $25,557 f Statutes 'Jtuve' last 'I'lii; iloN. .A M. lioss. ;;7 year ol' •-^(;i,-i'.)!). l"'or Unforeseen and Unprovided we ask the usual huih (if ir-'50,000. I may say thai last year out of the $D0,000 we only fell ourselves obliged to appropriate s]l>,7;'51. Altogether, our anticipated expenditure under the Estimates is $3,211,- 918.55. Now, ]\Ir. Speaker, I come to the question of Receipt.s — Ikiw are we going to meet these estimated expenditures? lion, gentlemen liave in their iiands a statement shewing from what so'.irees we expect co d(!rivc our revenue. KSTIM.ATKD Kl'X'KIPTS, ISSi). Subsidy SI . 1 '.IC. >^7-J SO Interest on Capital iicM and Dil.t.-s dm l)y tlic I )oiniiiiuii Hd < )iitaiii) SJT'.M 11 !(• I iitfi'i'st (111 [nvcstiiients 50.000 00 ;!L".Mii 10 LUOWN JjAXUS 1 )KI'.\ltTMi:NI' : — Cr( p\Mi Lands S;?,000 00 Cl •Jiift.OOO 00 LawSiiai):;s "5,000 00 Aigou a Taxes ;),000 00 Drain ig ■ Assessuieut lio.nOo on IMunii ij'iil Lean I'lind ... ,S50 00 Trrdiuo .Vs\luui Lands IS.'i.OOO (K) Jnsura-ice Coiniianies' \ssessi,ieuls .".OtMi 00 .Vss.'ssnieut 'it Count le- )•, rcu,(,\ ul ol' L.iMal ics (i,0O0 00 Total .'?;i,;^;i2.os;i 00 m :',.s •|NAN( l.\l. sTATKMKN T OF Regarding tlioitcia oMutorcst on (Capital held aiul l)i;l)tsduc l^y the Dominion, perliaps the Doniinion may reduce tills amount in conse(iuenje of their recent attitude. My hope is that th(! Doiiiiniou, liowever, after the joiul remonstrance made by Ontario and Quebec, may be induced to roconsidei- this ([uestion, and that this sum will remain the same as it has heon for years past. I'nder the head of Crown Lands Department, the Commissioner authorizes me to estimate si, 100,000. Included in that will be 81 10,000 remainin,^ unpaid of the bonuses of 1887. The balance will Ijc ordinaiy revenue from sale of Crown Lands and TimVier duus. Then from rul)lic Institutions we estimate to receive Sl)7,250. Krom Kducation, sl'-J,00O. Our receipts last year were s;!a,00o, but in conse- (pience of the traiisfiT of examinations to counties a saving of "xp-mse has liren secured and ii,t the same time ic will result in a decreiise of iev(!nu(; to the amount of the fees received by the Education ' )ep-:rt.i.,n)t fv r these past examinations From Casual Revenue we estimate s:5 1,000. From Li.^euses we ( xpecl ^••JGO.OOd. (,)ur receipts last year were $233,886. We expect to receive from the same districts this year .^240,000, and we a^ aw,.re oi petitions being circuiateil askinsr for a vote on the question ot rei-aling the Scott Act in a large numlter of counties, and iudging from thv^ result of last veai', it may l>e fairly anticipated that in some of these counties the Act will l)e repealed. The additional revenue, should the Act be repealed in all the .'(uinties, would Ije S78.000, but we ctioii of cottages at Mimico, and the mst of the.se cottages comes in as part in our (expenditure, it is but fair to take t,he receipts from the sale of this iaiid ;i^; part of the revenue to mwt that expenditui'e, and f tb -refcrc have viktr I'lii-; HON. A. M. lioss. c Ijy t\w. isequenje /er, after iducod to ;i3 it ]ia« iient, the I that will ancc will ). bVoin ill (jonsc- p"ns(; has f i('V(!nu(; r> r ihesc \e (xpecl A) rt'convf petitions the Scott It of last the Act ■pealed in are fairly nd so './. luutit's ^ [ i revtJiiiK^ lOO. ; iron) lie City of 111 Liinds, L ordiuivry rectioii of lart (If oiii lis ii(i;(i ;k; lave i'\ivf ■- n tJK! balance of tliree-fourths to 1k^ covci'rd hy ilie mortgages, which wr will dispose of if we can get \>av for thciii rather than to he dealing in r.'leases and discharges with individuals,, ami 1 1ih\(; no doul.i we can grt that for them. Then we have, Insuiance Companies' assessments, s3,U0<) ; and thf assessment of Counties for removal of lunatics, etc., 86,000, altogether making a total of Estimated Receipts for the year 1S,><'J of .■?;^,3:32,08:3.U0. Now our Estimated Expenditure under tht^ Estimates in hon. gentlemeirs hands is .•?B, 2 1 1,918.5:). Our Estimated Receipts therefore will exceed our Estimated Expenditure foi the year by Sll'O, inr,.;]:) ; !)ut then, outside of ordinary estimated rt^ceipts, there will \,v no doubt as there have been in the past, some exceptional or statutory expenditures, item.> which we do not estimate for in the Supply Bill. For instance, we have railway annuities, s-J47,982. Wo have also other annuities, sr)2,-J00, or altogether .s:500,182, so that taking into account the above estimated surplus and thes(,> statutory ))ayraents to be met, it woidd leave a dehciency of 8180 -}:4, so that you can take this 8180,017 out ol' that and ,^ icw of the financial statement which it has been my privilagc to present, will give us credit for having fairly done our duty. I move, Air. Speaker, that you now leave the chair. 1 4 :i \ V'S' vss that \vf listing the le growing by a car(!- emauds in ipresented lielped by ;hes6 have uld otliei- tit advan- <; on this slieet to 1, I trust, id to the 3 coupled vice, and whicli it irly done i