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 SPEECH OF SI]{ JOHN THOMPSON 
 
 IN UEI'T.y TO 
 
 SIR RICHARD CART^^TRiGi-lT 
 
 TUESDAY, 28tli JUNE, 1892. 
 
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Kousc of Commons jOebntcs* 
 
 SliCO.N'I) SESSlON-SliVliNlll rARl.lAMUNT, 
 
 SPEECH OF SIR JOHN THOMPSON, 
 
 IN REP1;Y TO 
 
 SIR RICHARD CARTV/RIGHT. 
 
 TUESDAY, JUNE 28tii, 18!)2. 
 
 Sir JOHN 'I'IfOMl'SON. I Knd I must detiuii 
 till! Mousi' from t;i)iiig into Cominittcu <.f Siip|)ly 
 iiiiil iisiv you fof i' few momunts not to leave tlie 
 Chair, not at all Ueeause the speech we hava just 
 listened to contained anything new or true, but 
 hccause I have certain ohligations to expresH to 
 tlie hon. gentleman who delivered it which may be 
 , ntteied more fervently now than if time were 
 allowed to elapse. When the hoi.i. gentleman was 
 good enough tins afternoon to intimatt' that he 
 ticsii'fd very miu;h that 1 should l)e ))rescnt when 
 lit! delivci'eil himself as he has done this evening, 
 and that he had forboriu; for a long time from 
 slaying the other business of the H(uise in order 
 that, in the full House and in my presen(;e, he 
 might utter that long preser\ed, not to say kiln 
 dried S()ecimen which he has given this evening, I 
 asked one of my friends what it eonhl jiossibly lu' 
 that engaged the hon. member for Soptii Oxford 
 (Sir Kii^hurd Cartwright) so earnestly and maile 
 him so anxious at the closing hours of the session, 
 anil wlien we at least, if not he ami his friends, 
 feel oursehes somewhat overtaxed with the exer- 
 tions necessary to liring tlu! delil)erations of I'arlia- 
 tent to a clo.se, to deliver himself of a great speecli. 
 y frieml told me Ihiit i)i'ol)al)ly in ransai'king his 
 Beeches of tlu! past, tlu' hon. mend)er had found 
 |iat there was some adjictive which lie had missed, 
 libd he wantecl togetit into //iiii''(in(. As far as I 
 Mitl concerned I am gratified that the hon. geiith'man 
 hiks been favoured with the opportunity, although 
 I feel that he has not even found the new u(ljecti\e, 
 and although we have b\it iieard the old battered 
 BtOek of superlatives and the olil stale invective 
 which has caused this Housi' and the electorate of 
 t^is country so often to listt^n to the hon. gentle- 
 iniUi with disgust and to legaril his name with dis- 
 iti^l, though wo have had to listen to this on the 
 cvi of a patriotic oi'casion like the lirst of .Inly, to 
 whieh thehoii. gentUnnan uiiid(! allusion at the dost! 
 of .bis leniarki-;. 1 auMleeply indebted per.sonally to 
 the hon. meudier for having waited todeli\er tliese 
 ollOervat ions until 1 was present, l)ecause it a))pcars 
 Liifts to be tlu! subject of many of them, but afiart 
 
 from that it was a great delight to me to sit her'c 
 foi- an hour ami a-half and heai'the lion, gentleman 
 with eye and Hiiger [jointed to his su])porteis, lec- 
 turing them on political eorrii])tion, and to see how 
 they took it vithont a mnrniur or a cheer, and to 
 .see how the stricken consciences whieh the coun- 
 tenances of his followers showed mirrored the mis- 
 ery he showecl in his, J am cleeply indebted for 
 another thing, and that is for liic? piiiure which the 
 hon. iiK'Hibci- presenteil to us, if not in new tones 
 and colours, at least in faithful and living portrai- 
 ture, of tiie faithless Minister, the corruj't politi- 
 1 I'ian, the scheming scandal-monger, who goes aiiroau 
 j through this country, and the man who, when 
 I himself in otiice, jobbed the. treasury for tiie 
 ' purpose of political prostitution, hint tiie money of 
 the j)ublic to l>anks without interest in order that 
 I men interested in those banks might go through 
 j the by-ways of the country an<l bribe the eleetor-s 
 I to ket']) him in oliice. I iini obliged to the hon. 
 [gentleman for that |)ortraiture, bectause 1 know 
 I that a great author has said : " Never does a 
 man jiortray his own character so vividly u.s in 
 his numner of poitraying another. '" I am obliged 
 , to the hon. gentleman for tlu! kindness which 
 he showed to myself, for the care lie says he 
 
 ■ exei'cise<l over my tottei'ing footsteps wlien I 
 : entered public lifi!. When I entered jiublic life 
 
 ■ in this arena, my steps may have lieen tottering, 
 but, although I had not seen tlu! hoi, gentle- 
 man, I had learnt of him in history as being one of 
 
 : the most miscralile tott(Mers that ever crossed the 
 stage of piibli(; life in Canada. I am much obliged 
 
 I to the lion, gentleman, further, for not allowing 
 Parliament to separate, after a session of nearly 
 live months, witiiout his giving us another of those 
 war, famine and pestilence speeches which have so 
 often tMiried constituencies for the ( lovernment. I 
 
 , am obliged to him, w hen, in reiteriition of the de- 
 
 : nuneiations of his country and his conntiymen all 
 over Canada, he felt obligecl to a|)peal for sup))ort 
 
 : to H(une authoi'ity, he apjiealed only to himself and 
 rt'ad for cori'oboration one of his own spei.'chcs, 
 
 j thus presenting tlu! kind tif endorsations which is 
 
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 known intlie.sl;ing<if iDiiiini'ri'oiis ■' I'ork mi IJacon."" j 
 I !un much ohligcil to tlii' lion. i;ciitk;iiian tliiit on 
 the I've of a ])atri()l'c occasion siuli as the culclna- 
 tion of the natal day of this country he has laiil 
 aside the mask, even if only foi a few liours, and ; 
 if, when l'"riday shiill have come, the lion. ^v\\\V\- 
 niaii will lilan<lly suiile with satisfiictioli, we, at | 
 least, shall ha\ e irioii the Ilaiisiiril the record that ; 
 lieru, within a few hours of the ihiwii of the iia j 
 talday of tliiscouiitry, thehon.menilierdeclared from 
 his place in I'ailiiinient, the most j>'iidic |)lace in j 
 Canada, that resistance was lawful to atloveni- j 
 inent like this, and that men were goiiiy aliout i 
 the stieets asking how long this country ought to I 
 ))u allowed to stand. Sir, it is gratifying for us to , 
 know that he has laid aside the in:isk, even if only | 
 for to-night, ami tliongh lie may nias<|nerade 1 
 ill other disguises, on l''iiday next, at least tin? \ 
 country and the House will liave taken the weight j 
 of the lion. I'entlenian, and will have realized, as j 
 we all have done, and as the country has done, that 
 the t'-aitor is generally the truckling corrupt iouist \ 
 as well. .Nfr. Spcsiker, the lion, gentleman piiid me ; 
 a very high compliuient ; the lion, gentleman, after 
 denouncing his jiarty as guilty of every legislative , 
 and electoral crime that a party could lie guilty 
 (if, turned at last, almost for the lirst time 
 in the course of an hour".s harangue, aiul 
 pointing at me, declareil that I had shown an 
 intimate knowledge of criminal Imav, and had no 
 doubt heeii a suece.s.sful defender of clangerous 
 criminals. .Sir, 1 decline the lion, geiitlenian's 
 hrief. 
 
 Sir RICHARD C.XRTWRTCTTT. Vou must 
 have the fee lirst. 
 
 Sir.lOHX THO.MI'SON. ] have had some ex- 
 perience, liotli in defending criminals and in ]irosc- 
 ciiling them ; J have never shrunk in my calling as 
 a niemher of the liar, from taking any man's case, 
 no matter how des]ieral(! it might lie, for the jinr 
 pose of saying for him what he might properly say 
 for himself ; liut F have sometimes s]mrucd the fee 
 of a lilateiit scoiiinlrcl who denounced e\'erylMidy 
 claj J in the world, and w.is hi iiise!t'llie(liiicuK:iit 
 siiA-age of tlicm alT 1 (lonlit^ThiTTTrieViiilituile 
 with which I listened to the lion, gentleiiiaii's ad- 
 dress, will he shared liy his followers ; I doulil 
 that they will consider that tlii^ occasion was the 
 most timely the lion, geiitleinaii could have chosen. 
 They will think that the lion, gentleman might 
 have got <ill' hi.s address at one of the earlier st.iges 
 of the liusiness of the House, when he forliore to 
 intruile himself upon the attention of Parliament. 
 1 think they will recall this evening the sad fact 
 for tlu'iii, tliat he, liy his perscinal inlluence, hy the | 
 |Miwer cif his language, by the force of his \ 
 iiiM'ctive, ami by his close criticism of public ; 
 all'airs in thin country, has reduced their 
 ranks by 50 jier cent since we met last ; ; 
 and they will recall the fact that not only i 
 did every constitueiu'y w liicli he additfs.sccl i 
 give a verdict against tlieiii, but that every city, 
 town and hamlet in his own province w hich he i 
 addressed, gave a rolling majority against his | 
 party ; and they will lecall the fact that ho ; 
 chose for the occasion of hi.s speech today, 
 when they wore celcliiating another defeat the, 
 wresting of another coMstitueiicy, almost within 
 sound of my voice, by the !,ilieral-Consi'rvative 
 party from the hands into whiidi it fell at the 
 
 la.st general election. Now, if I eanilot elicit 
 from his own supporters the gratitinle wliii'h 
 1 feel towards liiin, J ••an at least do this for the 
 fnirfiose of slniwing my jiersonal gratitude; 
 although the lion, gentleman siijiposes, 1 fancy, 
 that he has rellccted upon me, that Ik; has even 
 attacked iiie, an<l that, perhap.s, he has made me 
 feel badly for a moment, notwithstanding tlu't, 1, 
 as a meiiibtu' of the Liberal-Conservative party, 
 oH<! him such a debt of gratitud" that if it shall be 
 necessary to retain the lion, gentleman "s services 
 in the (larty which he does not lead, and which 
 would not have iiiin for a leader, ami which barely 
 tolerates liiin as a .supporter - if it be mu-es.sary to 
 retain him in that capacity I, for one, will propose 
 a subsidy to Parliament to kee|) him there. I 
 know. Sir, that the lion, gentleinandidiiot do himself 
 half justice when he declared that the task before him 
 was not ajileasant one. Why, Sir, the lion, gentle- 
 man would rather abuse liis country and defame 
 it, than eat his breakfast any day. I can tell the 
 hoii. geiitlenuin that, strong as his language was, 
 doleful as his forecast was, of the future of this 
 country, alaiining to some people of delicate 
 nerves, as it might be if they had not heard it 
 befoie, as we have so ofttm heard it, languiige 
 about the future of Canada, about the peo|ile who 
 are asking liow long this c-.niilry can stand, iind 
 about peo)ile who ar<; advising resistances to 
 authority in tl is country. \i c, for our part, believe 
 that on the |)art of the great majority of the pcojile 
 of this cmintiy, there is no fear and no alarm. 
 Conlident of the position which this country has 
 obtained in s]iiteof the cllbrts of the lion, member 
 for South Oxford, conii lent in the path that srtie 
 has clio.seii for herself, I hey are not to be alarmed 
 e\en by the ihreats of a leading iiublic man w Im 
 counsels lesistance, and <leclar(^s that the fate of 
 his country is sealed ; because they know as well 
 a.'i we know, that when tUe lion, gentleman talk~ 
 of resistance, iiid the death of his country, :ind ali 
 that kind of stnlf, his courage is all in hi.s toiigiu , 
 and that the motto which he carries upon hi- 
 escutclieon is " \\'or<ls, not deeds." Sir, tln' ho:i. 
 geiitli'man has made an allus'on to me which I 
 may refer to while it is in my menior.^. Ilaviir. 
 stigmati/cd his own [larty to whom he was pciii.i 
 iiig and whom he was addressing, w ith every criii 
 in the jiolitical calendar, and many in the mo' 
 calendar as well, having reminded them of li 
 sad fact that they had so ])olluted cuitain con>i 
 tiicncies of lluH eonntry wil h stolen nioiiey, tli 
 this i\ssembly w-s hanlly to be regarded as a repi 
 sentative body, the lion, gentleman i^roceedcd 
 attack the judges of this country. 1 have i 
 doubt that the lion, gentleman has good cau.se I 
 (|iiarrel with the jnilgcf:. The lion, gentleinan li 
 the same cause for i|narrel w ith the judges of '. 
 country that the culprit liiis for the lash win 
 smacks his back. 'I'lie judges of tlu' country h.^ 
 foii.id him and lii.i party, while their mouths w^ 
 full of \irtue, guilty of every degrading cri 
 which the electoral law ]iuiiishcs iind di.'clarestn 
 a fraud, and haves unseateil in this Parliament i 
 wards of ;t() of his supporters: and the consti 
 encies to the number of 1(1, taking 'advantagi 
 that fact, in hi.s ow.i province and in the Provi: 
 of <.j)uebec, have rcvi rseil the votes and re|ieir 
 of the su|ip(jrt which they gave the lion, gem 
 mail less than two years ago. lint the lion, gen' iL-^ 
 man having his nuaircl with the jndgeH, tlioii. jj|j7|i ^'''' 
 
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 he irii;,'ht ilraj,' uie int(» ihi i|uaiicl, loo, and <le- 
 elarea llial, forsootli, the iiia<.'es were not tit people 
 to try eases, liecause tliey Were not iniparlial. 'I'lie 
 lion, gent leniaii is the only l^iiia ot inaii wliooui^lil to 
 try a ease, anil ahovc all is t lii^ only kind of jnijue «lio 
 sIiomM sit on tlu! ti'ial of a political opponent. lie 
 is so |!iire, he is so ahove repioaeh, In? is so \Nfll 
 known oiitsiae of liis own province, wliieii those 
 inifoilnnate jinlj^'es who arc appointed art! not, 
 that he aho\ e all ollu is inMcle in the same mould 
 wliicli thank (iod nature liioke wiien she cast iiini 
 was tit to sit in jndj,'inent in eases whether political 
 or civil in this eountry. Let us iinufiine what the 
 outcome must he, if liavin;^ judij;es to hear evidence 
 this I'arlian.eiit is to he told that they are the most 
 unlit men in the country to ])erfoini tiiis duty, 
 hccaiise they arc men nnw(U'thy of their positions, 
 men who do not know the law and who were ap- 
 ))ointed l)ecausc '.hey were jiarty liacks. I do not 
 know, 1 have not looked at the record of tin: lion. 
 L'entleman's apjioinlinents, hut it may he so as to 
 soiiK^ IJut for the piuty whicii is in power now I 
 slif^matixe that as disgi-accfid a misstatement as 
 can he ntteit'd in Parliament, iind L iia\e only to 
 appeal to the rceidleetion of i^veiy man who hears 
 m<! to corrohorati! me in stating that ahove all 
 other things the late leadei of the Ijheral-( 'onset- 
 vali\-c liarty aciiieved ])id)lic respect for the conrse 
 he took in select ing proper men to occupy the jiidg- 
 n cut seats of this country. lUit, again 1 say, the 
 lion, gentleman tried to drag me into his (piarrel 
 with the jinlges, the ijuarrel of a convicted man 
 against the heiich, hecaiise we all know that when 
 ii man has lost his case and l)een convicted of a dis- 
 graceful crinie he has ))iit two optioiLs-- on.^ is to 
 appeal ami the other is to ahusc the judge, and the 
 lion, gentleman has chosen the litter cour.se. He ha- 
 dragged me into that controversy for the purpose 
 of making the ujiscrahle insinuation that 1 lioitght 
 the jjosition 1 now lill hy giving a seat upon the 
 pencil to a menilier of this House. That statement 
 is ahsohitely untrue ; it has not ii shadow of 
 foundition. 1 suppose there are few persons 
 present wlio know m hat a>'tually occurred w hen I 
 Was invited to he a mcmlier of Sir Jolm Macdoiiald's 
 Cahinet, and as \ am not fond of referring to 
 personal details, I shall not go into this matter at 
 length, hut I can say this, as the matter has heeii 
 l^roiiglit up for the tirst time in Parliament in my 
 hearing, that the invitation to i^ome here was not 
 pegariied hy me as a very tempting one, or oiu) that 
 ■Would imluee me to hrihe any man to give me a seat. 
 
 1 h.iil followed my ]iersonal choice and inclination 
 V, hat 1 prcferiiMl — wliiUi I do not regret tiic 
 iP^ange I have made I would have stayed wiiiM't^ I 
 (fes. Ihit the seat u|)on tlie county heiieii wiiic.h a 
 J(OT)])orti'r of tile hon. gentleman for South (!\ ford 
 (Sir Iticiiiird Cartwiii^litl took, and which made a 
 Vficancy which I stood for, was vacated liy tiie 
 diatli of .liiilge Caniplndl, and it was inti 
 
 ted to me not only that my presence would 
 desirahle as a menilier of tin; Caliinet and 
 iiktlie capacity of Minister of .Instice, hut that 
 I 'Would have an opportmiity, if 1 ilcsired it, of 
 nt!|n<ling for the old county uliich I had always 
 r^rescntcd in the Pro\incial Legislature, liecaiise 
 itr \* as prohahle that Mr. Mclsaac would he 
 otfereil thi' vacancy on the county hencli. .\lr. Mc 
 Itoiic was the leading barrister and leading coinisel 
 itt thai district heyond all comparison. I declined 
 nqt once but more than once tiie invitation, and in 
 
 doing so I Htated that from the knowledge I had of 
 that judicial district the appointnuMit ought to he 
 given to Mr. Mclsaac. if he were willing to ai'c.c^pt 
 it, regardless altogi'tlier of any appointment of my- 
 self. 'I'hose who knew him, those who knew his 
 relations ill the county, and know the way in which 
 he has discharged his duties, will .say th.it I was riyht 
 and ga\e sr)und advice, anil they will not, 
 stalwart Reformers as they are to this day, my 
 leading o|)ponciits as tlii^y are to this day, thank 
 the oldliine leader hehind whom their friend Mr. 
 McLsaae sat, for the unwinthy insinuation, even if 
 it were triU', ^hat he was hought with a .seat on tiic 
 hench for the puriMise of giving me a place in this 
 Hou.se. 1 dare .say if the jildge weri; to ex))resshis 
 
 1 own oj)inion, it would he this, that he was willing 
 to aeee])t a seat on the bench or any otln^r jilaee 
 Ijccanse he had stit (piite too long bchiml 
 the meniher for South Oxfoid. Now, Mr. Speaker, 
 we are told that ))arliameiitaiy institutions in 
 this country are in danger, that this House can 
 hardly he regarded as a representative liody, 
 that legislative fraiul has been supported by organ- 
 i/.(Ml corruption, that the ( iovernnient is silent anil 
 its Hubsidi/.ed ])r(,'ss and paid su])|»orters are equally 
 silent, and all this because it is said we hive refn.sed 
 an investigiition and substituted for it a mock trial. 
 
 ! 1 will not make so little of the House is to ask the 
 Hous(i whether that statiMnent is true lU' whetlu'r 
 it is false ; but 1 ask the House whether it thinks 
 a man wortliy to sit within its walls who stigmatizits 
 as a mock trial an investigation to be held by two 
 of the highest judges of this country, who have not 
 yet taken their seat and opened the investigation. 
 1 should like to ask the lloii.se if that is not on a 
 jjar with the veheineiiee with which the lion, gen- 
 tleman has criticized these proceedings from the 
 beginning to t!ie end, and not veheineiice only but 
 ili.sgraceful iinfaiiiiess, which has never been (laral- 
 leled in the history of parliamentary debate. The 
 hon. gentleinaii dciumneed the accuseil (icrsoii as 
 guilty almost before he had made an answer 
 in his defence, and the judges had no 
 sooner l)eeii named by this House and an 
 investigation ])ioposed by whicli they will take 
 evidence than it is declaieil that everything is 
 wrong in the country, that the (Jovernment is cor- 
 rupting the conntry by legislative fraud and auth- 
 orized corrii])tion, and that the investigation which 
 those judges are going to eoiiduct is a mock trial. 
 Well, Sir, upon that point I have only to add this : 
 1 am (piile sure that whetlie' those two gentlemen 
 who havi! been selected are known to the hon. 
 member for South Oxford or not, the jieople who 
 do know them, and they are w idely known in their 
 own province, and well known, too, by meni!)ers of 
 their profession in other provinces as wi'll, will 
 knew how to chiuacterize as fair or ba.selessly false 
 and malicious the aeeusalioii that any trial they 
 are to conduct is a mock trial. Is it true or false 
 that we lia\i' siijipresscd the charge wliiiU has been 
 made'; Is that statement not ilisgraceful to the 
 man w ho uttered it again 'i W hy, time and tiling 
 again. 1 have shown to the House, unnecessarily as 
 regards the great majority, uselessly as regards 
 the hon. niemlier for Scnith Oxford, that W(! 
 have not suppressed the charge^ (hat we have 
 refused to allow lioii. inembeis to try a large 
 number of contested election eases, many of 
 which had been already tried in the eouits. 
 Hut as regards anything to e<inneet a member of 
 
tliis I'arliiinicMt or ;i iiiciiilicr of tliis ( iovi'i-mnciit 
 will) tlu'sc clcftoiiil (•oi'iii])tioMs, tlu' cliiugcs are 
 tlier<! iind iiic to )>(• iiivcsli^ati'd if tlic lion, iiu^iii- 
 ber for Soiitli Oxfonl (Siv Itioliiinl Cartwriglit ) has 
 the courage to come forward to sustain them, or 
 if he is not simply lying v\ hen lie tells this House 
 tluit these ehiirges eun lie ))rovecl. One or the 
 otlier. The investigation has lieen lefused, Sir, 
 has it? The charges liave lieen s\ij)|)ressed, have 
 tliey ? ^\'liy, Sir, thei'e an; the charges to-day as 
 framed hy the lirm. mendter for \\'est Ontario 
 (Mr. Kdgar) as eniphasi/cd hy the lion, niemher 
 foi' South Oxford liiin.-ielf (Sir Hictluird Caitwright) 
 and in so far as we have changed them, we liave 
 simply changed them to conform to the violent 
 language with which the lion. niend)er foi' South 
 Oxford sought to enforce them ; and if they aie 
 not proved, the result will lie to stam]) him with 
 the name upon his foreheait that he deserves. 
 IS'dw, Mr. Speaker, in place after ])lace in the 
 charges we have not hesitatiMl to put liefore this 
 connnission these statements that tlu^ I'ostmaslei' 
 (Jeneral is charged with a conspiracy to olitain jiuli- 
 lic numey for eom])anies, to olitain that money foi- 
 companies f()|- elec.'toi'al |)Uiposesand for the pur))ose 
 of e()rru])tiiig constituencies although it makes 
 not a jiartide of dillerenceas far as he is concerned, 
 for he nuist fall, if it lie true, that lu'was engaged in 
 such ii cons])iracy w hethei- in; used the money for 
 the elections oi- not. We put that in,, too, so that 
 these lion, gentlemen might ])i(>ve it if tliej' coulil, 
 and in evei'y resjiect the charges ;ire just as full and 
 sjiecilic, .so far as the I'osiniaster (ieneral is con- 
 ciu'ned, as they were the day they were hrought \>y 
 thf lion. iiieml)eifoi()ntaiio(Mr. Kdgar). One thing 
 which we have eliminated is the general cliaige 
 that other persons interested in these subsidies 
 may have givcMi these moneys too, ami the general 
 charge that these moneys were used in some "24 o?' 
 2.") constituencies, anil in some tliice or four elec- 
 tions in each of tlie.se constituencies. But, so far 
 as the charges against the ( ioverniiicnt are con- 
 cerned, and so far as the (;harges against the I'ost- 
 niaster (ieneral aie concerned, they are just as 
 clear and just as precise and just as o])en for in- 
 vestigation us the day they were made, 'i'lie lion, 
 member for South Oxford (Sir Richard Cartwright) 
 challenged me to state if they are vague novv-. 
 They are not vague now, thanks to the lion, mem- 
 ber who made them, thanks to the lion, member 
 for liothwell who supported them, and thanks t.) 
 the lion, member for South Oxford who sought to 
 (tri\e them home witli invective which he is sorry 
 for now because lie cannot sustain it. 'i'hese 
 charges have been maile precise and they have 
 lieeii made spec itic, and if the lion. I'ostmastei ( Jem- 
 eral is not afraid to meet tlieiii, there are three men 
 who are afraid ; because they have just sought to 
 sheltel' themselves on the plea of privilege against 
 ajipearing before the commission at all. They are 
 the iiieml)er foi' Ontario (Mr. Kdgar), the member 
 for Mothwell (.Mr. .Mills) and the mendier for South 
 Oxford (Sir Hicliard Cartwright). Thidion. mem- 
 bei' for South Oxford has declared that the.se com- 
 missioners are th(! appointecis of the Postmaster 
 ( Jeliel'al liimself. No statement more utterly at 
 variance! with the truth can be put upon /fniiiard, 
 beciiu.se, as a fact, ihey havc^ been appointeil by this 
 H(mse and by a vote of this House practically una- 
 nimous as regards their iiualilications. The Oppo- 
 nitioii abstaiiK^d fioiii coimiiilling themselves (o tlu^ 
 
 principle of appointing commissionei's at all, but 
 every member of llie Hou.se knows that it was 
 perfectly consistent for the Opposition to .say: 
 that if the House should eventually appoint com- 
 missioiieis these men wero iintit by reason of 
 liiis or that disipialilication, or this or that 
 unfit ness of temperament. If tiiese commis- 
 sioners were the villains whom the lion, mem- 
 ber for .South Oxford (Sir Hiihard Cartwright) 
 jiortrays as sitting on the bench of this country 
 iVoni one end to the other, if they were (lar- 
 ti.sans, if they weie piirty hacks, if they were 
 men not ver.sed in the law, if they were men not 
 likely to be inijiartial, every member who sits with- 
 in these wulls was cliiillenge<l to say so. 
 He had an o]iportiinity to say so ; he was 
 bound to say so, notwithstanding lie thought 
 that no commi.ssion sliould be apjiointed at all ; 
 but lion, gentlemen opposite ilid not d;ire to say 
 .so, and in sjiite of the re|)iidiation of the lion, 
 menilier for South Oxford, 1 declare that these 
 commissioneis were fully sanctioned by this House 
 without a single ilis.scnt as to their fitness or 
 disipialiticatiou, and after di.ssent had been chal- 
 lenged or defied, for I ilefied it niyse!^ stamliiig in 
 my place here. 'i"he lion, member for South Oxford 
 (Sir Richard Cartwright) has decdared that the 
 details which are )jublished in his rejitile story, in 
 his organ in Toi'onto, to which organ he says we 
 are so deeply indebted tor these disclosures -a? wt- 
 are, of course, abso to him, as I have already ex 
 plained in the ojiening remarks I have ottered to 
 the Hoii.se the lion, member has declared thai 
 such a set of documents with legard to electoral 
 coriii])lion never in previous times was laid before 
 this country. The lion, gentleman's memory i^ 
 short. He forgets that about nine times what wa^ 
 alleged to have been expended in any one of these 
 onstitueiicies saving the election of Thi'eeUiv(M> 
 ..s to which the statement is very vague -he for 
 gets that about nine times what was spent in tin 
 most expensive of these constituencies was speni, 
 at the election of 1ISS7, to secure him ii sup])ort(i 
 in a countj within KM) miles from where I stand 
 and the lion, meiiiber for South Oxford (Sir Richaii 
 Cartwright) was not so virtuous or so I'cgretfii 
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 Sir JOHN THOMPSON. 1 will give the Ii.m 
 gentlcniaii |)articulars fast enough, and I will ti 
 him where to find what 1 refer to. 1 was about i 
 say, .Mr. .Speaker, that the lion, member for Soul 
 Oxford (Sir Richard Cartwright) was not siicli 
 purist then, or was not such a hypocrite tlui &dtlcii| 
 v hichever it may be, and he was not ashamed to - Soiii: 
 click by jowl with a man who got his seat I'y li 
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 wants ))riiot of details, he can find them inthecl' ^ Wouh 
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 and after that, if he goes to the highest tribunul that tin 
 this country he will find the record there, ainl imtjini 
 will find, furthermore, that that man held his >'ilraw il 
 by the ))U rest technicality in tlu; world, ami I n'l-jt,, , j 
 the judgment as to the corruption stands uiirr\ 
 sed to this day. \'es, Sir, and more than that, \\i Sir I 
 the; iqipeal from the decision unseating that meiiil'°*'tl(iii| 
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 Hifclccl him. If liie hoii. (^entJiMiian want.-i proof 
 of lU'tails Ukc that, his iiicmniy ean scrxe liim, if 
 lir yocs hack to the luioiil of t h»' l.,oncloii trial ami 
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 Sir.KmN 'i'HO.MI'SON. Ves, he can Hn.l the 
 rcciirtls of it ;;oo(l many oiiur.s loo in which for 
 <lisi;iaeeful liriliery caiuliilates were lewanleil l>y 
 favonis from tiie Cahinet in which the lion, niemhei' 
 for South Oxfor.l (Sir Ilichanl Cartwriglit ) sat. V 
 the lion, geiitleni.in wants his reeoril and wants his 
 details, he ha.s only to give us another war, pesti- 
 lence and famine speech, and he will ha\e enough 
 of them for the night. .Sir, 1 couM not help being 
 amused at the story which was trotted out ahoiit 
 tiu^ " Ked Parlour" for the thousandth time here 
 lint, .Sir, while that passes through deaf ears wher- 
 eveiit is iittere<l now, because everyone in thiseonn- 
 tiy has founil out hy ihi.s time that it is all a jihan- 
 toiii, and tliat the sul)scii|)tioiis which are supposed 
 to have iieeii given hy the manufacturers at the 
 so-called "Ked Parlour" would not carry any one of 
 , the constituencies, which the lion. meiiil)(Mf(<r .South 
 Oxford (.Sir liiohard Cartwriglit) has heen accus- 
 tomed to run for within the last 120 or .S(( years 
 when tliat i.s .so well known and understood in this 
 country, the way it is echoed and re-echoed excites 
 laughter wherever the phrase is use<l ; yet the lion, 
 gentleman got one of hi.s sympathizers and .satellites 
 to attend to hi.s business in Washington wiiile w»: 
 Were there in Ajiril last. He got him to wiite a 
 leading article in a Wa'liington paper, which 
 greeted us the morning we anive<l in Washington, 
 and before we were introduced to the authorities 
 of the United .States, for the purpose of putting 
 the subject and the object of our mis.sioii just 
 in the fa\()nrite language of the hon. member for 
 South Oxford (.Sir Kichanl ("aitwright). 
 
 Sir RICIlAHDCAKTWRKIirT. Mr. .Speaker, 
 the lion, gentleman is making a statement abso- 
 lutely di'stitute of foundation in fact, as he knows. 
 
 Sir dOIIX THO.MP.SOX. Well, .Mr. Speaker, I 
 can produce the article and anylxidy who reads it 
 and who has hear<l tiie speeches of the lion, member 
 for South Oxfoi-d (.Sir Kit'hard Cartwriglit) eaiiiiot 
 i 'was about > fail to recognize the author. 
 liiiMiiber for S.aj' Sir RICH ARD CAHTW RKillT. If the hon. 
 
 ,rl,l) was not sm i ggn(;i,,„|_,n |,,^g \^^,^,^^ ^,,1,1 
 
 ■" ., livpoerite tun 
 
 tot ashamed to > Some lioii. M HM1'.KRS. Order, order. 
 
 ,o liot his seat by >' gj,. kR'H ARD CARTWRKIHT— that 1 dhl so, 
 il,c lion, g^'";"'', I would tell him that I did nothing of the kind, 
 liud thcni inthe e.. ^^^ ,^^ . . 
 
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 states what is fal.sci. 
 
 d.miitfui characi' Sir .lOHX THOMPSON. I did not mean to say 
 
 ' , 1 iidu'st tribuiuil that t he lion, membi'i' for .South Oxford «as the 
 
 \ . Z,\ thefts 'inil author ; and if he denies it, I am willing to with- 
 
 1 'Viiuvn held his ^'drMv (lie statement that he induced tiie autiior to 
 
 ,'tlie woihl, an.l lirt'rite ihat article. 
 
 Jiiion «^'^'"^'': "''''^,\ Sir RKniARl) (WRTWRIOHT. The hon. 
 1 more than tha , jfonth'iiian knows that it is a falsehood. 
 
 'leXb'^l'ty^indu |jr.|()HXTII()MPS()N. ] ,lt. m.t know any- 
 ■ ''"''\ ■ iiio aftcrni'hillg of the kinil, but if anything would induce 
 
 inc to believtiWt, it is the lion, gentleman's denial. (• 
 
 What I wa4 going on to .say, Mr. .Spe.iker, was 
 this, that the author, whoever he was and there 
 can be no doubt as to who he was rellccted 
 exai-tly the sentiments and opinions of the hon. 
 member for .South Oxford ; this is his duty and his 
 work, such as it is, in certain iriipoitant piiliiica- 
 tions in the I'ity of Toronto and elsewhere. .And 
 in re echoing the hon. gentleman s story almut cor- 
 ruption in this countiv and the imposteie of our 
 mission to Washington, of cour.se it could not be a 
 faithful portrayal of his master's woril> and ideas 
 unless the •'Red Parlour" were introduced too, 
 although I supposi' Washington would open its 
 eyes to know what " Red Pai'loui'" had to do with 
 it or what " Red Parlour"' meant; and so little was 
 known or understood of the term there that the 
 innocent pi'iiiteis published it to the world as the 
 ■'lied parlour." The hon. member for .South 
 Oxford has undertaken to speak biographicallj of 
 this ( lovernnient, and he has declared that we have 
 gradually progressed by rajiid stages, but still by 
 stages -and that we began at a (leriod when, 
 as he says, my ste])s weie tottering and 
 faltering, and when he accused a niembei' silting on 
 this side of the House of being the top of a nioun- 
 taiii range of undetined corruption a submerged 
 mountain top, or similar picture.scjue language ; 
 there was, at any rate something mountainous 
 about the hon. gentleman's statement, we all knew 
 at the time how much truth there Mas in the 
 allusion of the lion, member ; but his candour and 
 sagacity are at any late remarkable for this cii'- 
 cuniswuiee, that although he was at that time, and has 
 ever since been accusing Mr. Rykert of being guilty 
 of falsehood, and corru|)t falsehooil, in all tlu; 
 letters iiiid stat(!iiients he had made with regard 
 to that matter ; yet now, when it suits his purjiose, 
 he (juotes the words of that gentleman as a witness 
 on his behalf, for the statement that (h)zens of mem- 
 bers among whom he .sat were just as cornijit as he 
 had been, and had been guilty of just as many breaches 
 of parliamentary decorum. -\lt I can say, Mr. .Sjieak- 
 er, is that if Mr. Rykert was worthy of the strong 
 invectives ivhicli the hon. member for .South Oxfonl 
 has ap|)lied to him in times past and we know 
 that the Knglish language all'ords no stronger -lie 
 is a worthy witness for the hon. member for .South 
 Oxford this evening. I have said, Sir, that we 
 thought we knew how much of truth there was in 
 the lion, gentleman's statement ; but until the 
 hoi), gentleman and his party went a few stages 
 forward, and we found that, not only in 
 this I'rovince of Ontario, but everywhere else 
 throughout this country, and even in the Ma- 
 ritime Provinces, of which the hon. gentleman 
 has spokiMi as having been corruiiteil by ( iovern- 
 meiit inlluence.s, the money that was stolen from 
 the treasury of a neighbouring province was used 
 to help them in the elections ; until wf heard that 
 development, and until we found men sitting in 
 this Houst; hy means of that money, we could 
 not suspect how iiiuch truth that- lion, gentle- 
 man had uttered. The hon. gentleman has 
 spoken of railway subsidies. When we consider 
 that c)ii(! railway company gave for his puiiiose as 
 much as is alleged to have been spent in all these 
 •2.") constituencies, W(! can see that tiiere was more 
 truth than poetry in the hon. genthMiian's remarks 
 about a great mountain rantre of which Mr. Rykert 
 was the visible top. Now, I have referred to the 
 
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