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C. CHINIQUY, THE PRESBITIR! OF CHICIGO, AKD XnTE eiiNAil^ PRESiYTEilAN SMiiCM. '<»•»■ LKTTKU NO. 1. Ill tlie moiitlviil' July lant I prosonVctl an iiiforuj- ivl rHi)i>rt tr> llu- I'huvcli at lav'^'e, through tlie ]>ul)lic |iif.ss, (jC tho ]ir(>oet'(liii;_'s of iho cotiuiiittcL' aj»- IMiiiitctl liy the Syiim} tit' tljf <*:iiui(l:i I'lX'sbytL'riaii (Miurcli tu in(|iiiiL- int(t tin' «">s«' o\' Me. C'liiniijiiy. Thill rt'poil uuiicluilml wilh ihi' .st.Ueinout ihiit th? comuiitti'c i)nri>ci.sc'(l iiinl thi! I'r(.'.s!>ytei-y *iM"hii'a:;;(i ou tlio .siilijcct iiii tli«; hojif tliat it Hiighl !i.>ail to u CuVDiiialjlL- issiu'. Ill th'.' (.'(>iir.se of thv'iv iiuiuiiy llie joinmittec (buiifl that llu: all'air.s o(' .Mr. <'hiiii'|uy ami his jjco- jilo woie so iiili'rwo'.ou witli the I'icsbytcry of ("hi cago and tho l''.(kicalioiial iJoanl ot thu Uld School J'l-fsljyteriau <'iuirch, that, it wouki Ik; dilliciill aiut hazuidous to st'iniialu them. The Jioiud and tiio I're.sbyteiy togethei' hehl iiioitijage.s uvei lln.'ii- Chuicli and School inopcity. uiid nolen to a con- oidcrablc aggro/alu amount, t'oi- wliicli their |)ii\ iitu jiroperty was aiiavverabie, oil aceoiinl ol' money ad- vanced Irom chaiitaijlc I'linds lor the relief of tlie jicujile diiriii;,' the period of tlieir (li,-;tiT.s:s. They o\viie(l also ihr " (Jhildren's Chureh,"' the wails only of which ha\r bei'ii elected and which was oii;^'in- ally inteiideu for the use of Mr. Cliiniipiy'ii people. rhecoiiiniilleelikewi.se felt tliit the Old School l'rt'.sbyleiiaii I'liunh were, from their iiuiiibei.-i, weallli, inlluciiee, aud loe.d relalions to the Flench |)f'aple in lllinoi.i. I'ciiei aide to carry on the woik of the' iiiisivicpii iiiaii,' 111 lied by Mr. i'liiniipiy than iHuld be the di.'^laiil Church in Canada. Jii llie.su circuuuitances the coinmitlcc thua;^ht they would l.ic doing a. service to iheir i>oor countryineii in lllinoi.--, and to tho work of icfonnation ainon^ theni if thry conld iMing about a reconciliation betwceii_Mi. Chinirpiy anil the rrcshyieiy. The coiumitl'^e aecoidiugly reijuc.sted their con- vener to appear in their iiainc before the I'rc&byiFiy of ('hir.H.ro. indilf'fl (o nteft at. K.'irUillp, [II.. on thr-: touvtepiith of t)ctobor lust, and present to thetn, with such explanations us he might coiisifler neces- sary, thy following dutiiinont ; — To the Iloverond the Presbytery of Chicago of the I'rcsbyterian Church of tho Fiiited States. 1 (car I'lothren in Christ — We beg leave respectfully to inform yon lliat ■wf; have been ajiiiointed, i.iy ibo Synod of the (Ama- «Ja rvesl'ytcrian Church, to make iii([uiry regarding the position and circumstaiiecs of the Kev. C. Chi- niipiy and hi.s coiigrogiition, at St. Anu, Kankakee, Illinois. Tlio Synod was led to make tho appointment by icason of an application presented at their iiieel- iri;; in Jirio last, from both Mr. Chiiii(|uy and his coniri'egation, to be received into conimiinloii with niir Chinch in <'anada. iJoeumonl.'i were presented to the Synod pur- porting to be Acts of Separation by both tlic above parlies from the I'resbytmy of Chicago, and peti- tions t.) our Synod to be received by us. Mr. Cliininuy himself ap[)eare(l at the Synod, and made certain statements e.\planattiiy of tlie.se ducuinents and proceedings. In the.se circumstances, tiic Synod feeling a deep iiitcresliii Mr. Cliinii|iiy and his people, deemed it both res|iectfiil to the l'i(.'.-.bytery of Chicago and becciiiiii;;; to theiiuselves, to send a coininittci,' to the locality to obtain ,-ueli iiifoi niatioii a.>i would enable said Synod to deteimiin' the path of duty in tli'' case. The undersigned areoidingly, as instructed, li.'iit- t d Si. ,\iiii and Chicago in .lime last ; and liy iiiter- idiir.si! with the brethren ol your I'lesbMeiy ,'ind others, eiidea\ouicd to the best ot their aliihiv to discharge the duties assigned them. We beg to acknowledge having received thiougli your Stated Clerk, the Rev. .1. M. I'rri.s. a niimite of I'resbyteiy, of date .Imie I'Jth. l^l•'J, intbi rriiiig II . ollicially that Mr. Cliiniquy had been depo.sdl bv vol! for contumacy, and otlering us every iiifoi ma tion in your power on the whole siibjeit. I'oi thi.s .HCt of courtesy we would thank you. \Tp hn:-.' availed ourbelve.-, of your otter, and have leeeived from Mr. Faiis, and otheiK, oral and docunientaiy inforniation ot' importance to us. ^'' ^'- i B^S" We only bi'Ciimo actiuaintod «iili itio iait nliMi. (.'liiiiiquy's deposition oil our way ti> t'liica;,ro, iimi t't'lt at the tiino thai it viis ii nen- ekinenl ii« \li«? case which we did not coiiteiniilute and jvliith .;uvi' it a .somewhat dilVoienl asiiecl tVfini th;tt hk wljifh it belbie appeared to U6. Unourbein^ inloinied of all tlif i'lr«""ista»ii't'» connected with this |)ioi'Ce(hn<', \\f wUiv(\ Mr. Chiniquy that the Presbytery tould iioi \\c\\ aceei*! of his Act of Separation in llie tiveo of i:1iarLfts tor- nially laid before them a^-ain.-.t hinv, and that li«* oni'ht to iiave withdrawn iiis dixlinatioii of ihv I'n-sljytery's jnrisdiction, ht lt';ist n»itil tJit- i>MWVtii- tion had been issued. We succeeded in cuiivincni- Mi . rhini.piy that tlii.s was the course which he ouiilu to have jiursu- cd ; at the same time he had ditrnully in understand- ing why he could not, under the circinnstances. .sej.- aiate hiinsclf from the I'resbylery of Diicago. We found, too, that Lis application to our Syunl stood in the Way of h.is withdrawing; hi.; Act of .'^ep- aiatiou from your I'rcsiiytery, and >ubniitTin'j-. ;is lit- ought to liavo done, to your discipliiif. lie Ml that ho could not withdii.w that Act of his v itIioii« appearing to deal deceitfully with us. IJe had iii some sense [ilaccd hinisell' in our hainis. and leU that, without our consent, he could not resile frot»i his application to us, whieli In,' must have ilme had ho withdrawn his Act of .Separation from you. This is a position in whicli Mr. «"liini(|uy would not have placed himself liad he been at all ac(|ain«- od with our Presbyterian forms of process^ and it is an aspect of his case wliicli merits eonsidmatioit on our part and we trust also bii yours. We would respectfully make this represcntatiott to the rresbylery of Chicago, trusting that, along with other considerations that may suggest them- selves, it may lead you to reconsider your action in regard to Mr. ChinK|uy and to adopt such further proceedin;,'s in the case as may conduce to tlic I'iglit settlement of the diiliculties in which Mr. riiiui piy and his people are involved, and to the promotion of the cause of Christ among the l''reii:h Canadian converts in Illinois. We have appointed Mr. Kemp to i('[)rcsent u> t)c- fore your reverend court, and to give such e.vplana- tions of our objects and wishes as you may rtMiuire. and to receive .such further inforination on the case as may enable us lo jircsent a linal report to miv Synod. As instructed, i presented the paper to tin; I'lvs- bytery. and made such statement to them asap- peare'd to me rc(piisitc to e.\)ilain the interest which the Church in Canada naturally took in Mr. Chini- quy and his people, and our desire that nothing should hinder the prnaic.-,i of the work oi reforma- tion which. '■: l'rovid('iice, had m> far been acconi- plished throuah the instrumentality of -Mr. Chiui qiiy. I indicated that possibly, if the Presbytery wo'uld lake a loving, rather than a legal m tcchni cal view of the case, a way might be t'ound to r(-- concile Mr. Chiniipiy and his people with them— that at all f^vent- a .(-..Tiniittrc of their number mijiht be appointed to inquire and consider whether .=iich an issue was attainable, .ind how far Mr. Chiiii(piy himseir was prepared to satisfy their ■equirements. ,, TbePiesbytery received me veiy courieousiy and heaiU me with iiitcie.-l and j.atiei.ce. At their hands 1 ieeelv»?d kindness and liospifUify. Hating finished what 1 liad tt» .-aj- Awi jiiiswered Bevt'tiJ •jtKstifMi^ \Ml t(» iiif »w jegaid.^ fliu " hv tin? l''reiicK jieiip!p «>1 Lowev Cana- da, I iiii* loHiiwed by two «ik- tSiree of tlio Dicm- hers who, it »vas jde.'isin'g to (ind, took ft vtry Isiwdlj' view «»f the fa.se, and «er«' deposed t' t»7 what fo^ild bf dune l.f brh»!» about a leeonciliatUni, 'It wa.s acfordin-ly lumcd and sef-ondci} — "That the whole subject «>4' the dilliciiltlvs •■oniiccted with the French Mission •.!■ .'^t. A>ii>'.-. wnti Kaiikake*' bo rt- J'evred toA c.iuimittM' of tiv«', to iMHiiiiH* vhetlit'V they juav Hot in some ^vay l(" sMisfacforit^' settlt'J. auti report to IVe.sbytery ii» in'\t stated meeting.'' «»n tills inotiiiii there was Jk little discussion, but iin.illv debate was arrested by i« motion being cav- ,.i,.,l^..>! '<',• n--iiuii'd, i.'dess I'V tU'itri-U it 'i»' taketi iiji r.oii) the tab'.-, A i«i.j'"ii 1<' xhU latter i-llcr\ wii.' made ii,-\l .l;■ nn ihv t.'i.bU' tif lUe i':-.-b\i« I'.' • ■ I'l.ie:,';.'. .Vuaiiist tills decisii.u the nce.r; ..fi'ti' t.:i.:ina: at'^t! 111 ••■iinplaiiied to the Svni.d 'if C!i;e;'.'tt. wlilefi y.-.f !<• iii«'< t ;li»' ne.vit day in the <•;-.• ..■■ M. ■•-!..»;.. T it' ir;"ni'f''ts iif the Pri -llVle -1 », i: •'•••id ' ' ' • '■"■.!i ir\ ' i til" pr«isecti- tion of Mr, '"!;';il ;■ V ' c;.- S' ■ a^M -'y '.i -'' ipi.'stio 1. I." 1 ) ri.-sile ill th«' b'a:-f ffiK t'le p.isi!! :■. 'n v h. ■';"V -linKt. ^'»'iy eiinu'Sl ut.d b. .'iiiei v :iji; ''a^^ \,!'re inn'U- tii them to take a kiad'y .md '' •'■ lUg le ,k w till' ca.-e : }>ut they seemed I'. ;e-ai'<( v>lidl i ,• '.s n-> iui viitg some siuist* ;■ di'.-iua in >!;■»<: 'a:i; . ; !.,.;i, it- lli4y tM»ly were. ..vincer>- <-\\ >' -1 !•■ ''i ' :, -tiai: ..i-.,j!V ! went to lh«- \ne.-tin ' <.t' t' \f Stti'iil .»t Meiidtita to sec what would bo the j.ssue i>f the cumplaiut. and with an idea that procaiily it uil;jht be Tiiy duty !•> carrv the case by ie]irescntatioii lo theni. ^ .\t the I'rairii.' Ciiv 1 n'nM with a largf iiimibev of the niini>te!s of the Pre^^byteiian ♦'biiicti uf the We,-t. .Most con.>ideiate hoseitalily and kindness were shown me by ilie people. the ;neeting of the Sy- nod was oiie'of much iiileie- \u'g leav* in ft3sti»* y kiml and t'lutvriiiil spiitt in wliirh T itJ- twive the H«v. .Sfr. Kcmjt ft* yt'i"' rmnrnissiunet : ant] that it is ouv sinrciv i!esii(», w»' trust, «itU tuir bfethreii of the saini' fiiitlj i»(i intfi^stK uf 1't?i']Hisitti>f» lov rnn- tuiiiiH'v, TliP whnlf jii>.(.v't'(Hi);;i!(ii tU** I'vc^hyifty in till' cftSH A»c fpt(';til -itit «irj the »>»»>r<1s «it' «inr I'li'shyti^iy. Til th«.'St' ri'coiils oiir lirfthrcu _v iiml .■iriijiTiiiully ii.-movJ from ulY iMif imh;i](iiy i'lothcr \v<» ^h;iU njuir* luost JIHJ'llplly ;ill(l «;U!llvS'iy t.> ,li \{. Tnistiu;' diat WIS iiutr Ik* ..'iiliti'«l Iiy tli»' spliit i>f <»ur I»i\ inr ,M:isti'r, iirnl i!i;tt M»' may ♦r.f'i" l)t> actuii- t»'iJ liy that fliaii^y tlial .sulfricdi KjIijT ''ml is kiud, »ve r^'inaiu alftH'|ii.ual»-!v voa;^" iii tlw l.onj, .1. ». NKsntlT, Modoiator. Tiif ineajiiu;^' vi This K-tt*^-*' i* simply Uiut ihey will »)iily «H;oivt.' M»', t'Jiiiiinuy oJi his .suiiinittiui,'. in tii«* most ♦niri'jit!i\<.'(J tiiaiuiiT, i4fkiii>wh'({ufiii<5 siji, ami Ji'-'ft-'pliii;,' iif vvhaK'vt'f vciit<-ure tiki: I'jx.shytci'V Hiuy jjlcasc t\» imju'sc, T<« lliis fioufvfr, Mv. t'hiiiii|ijy will «n> no at" i,\mnt .suhmit. tt '\a,s vviitt dilUciiily ihat lii' a.^irei'il tii allo\r tilt.' staleiiniits ol' rt upon tiiese charges somewhat in detail m my ne.xt letter. I am yours, etc. ALEX. F. KEMP. LKTTKU SO. 2. tUr hV.fO^ltUn >«B t'tlNM M.VCY. T»» wudevstainltlie actual position o! Mr. Chiniipiy in rehitioti !•» th.e Presuytery of Cliicago. it is Jiecpssary to go Jjaclc to the first prosecution which was instituted against iiim hy the latter. tt would appear that iit the summer of Isfil, .M. I'hiniipiy was lovnialiy tried Ijy the Presliytery at the iiisiunceof "Common i''aTne," on a charge of falsehood, with si.x s)iiTilicati()ns, and a charge ot ohtainiiig money ■ ,■, false pretences, with two speciHcatidii.-*. 'I'he case was thoroughly gone into, cvidenei'oi* J)otli sides was led, and judgmeiit was ;'ivoi», the I'reshytery acquitting Mr. Chinii|uy on all the i'ouut's. ,\n appeal was taken to the Syiioil, uik] the ."^YiioiJ, alter u ^'areful hearing of the case, suslaiiieil ihe decision of the J'reshytery l)y a mu- joritv of :!"i t(» ». The Synod declared, "That ut"lei' a full ami jiatienl hcaiiiig of all the records and testimony, the Synod, while recognising the indications of certain indiscretions and exaggerations ia the conduct and statements of M. Chiuiquy, calling fit" earnest and alfectionati.' admonition on the part i»f the Preshytery, ni'verthi.'less, does adjudge that the complaint against the decision of the Presbytery is iiot sustainei), Imt fully approves of the acquittal • if Mr. Chiiiii|uy ol the charges preferred against liim, and would eainestly recommend all ])arties to tultivati; the spirit of charity, and ti> follow the things which make for peace." The Synod also adopted the reasons which the Presbytery gave for its decisions, atm)ng which we tind it stated — " Thi.; I'leshytery lind iinthing in the evidence that ought to impeach the sincerity of his (M. C's.) motives, or the vegularily of iiis character, and do hereby uci|uit him of all the charges."' Five months after this, in Mareli, lS(i'2, the Presbytery again entered oa the consideration of Mr. Chiniquy's alfaiis, on a report from their Frer,'jh Mission Committee, the result of which at that time was that, as requested by Mr. Chiuiquy, a Committee ol Arbitration was appointed, two of whom were named by the Presl)ytery and two by Mr. Cliiiii(|uy, they clutosing a lifth ; one condition being tliat Mr. Chiuiquy should withdraw a certain ♦■ivil suit which he and another had instituted against the Uev. Mr. Staples^ of Kankakee, calling for an account of tin/ administration of crtain monies entrusted to him by Jlr. Chiuiquy. Al the ue.\t meeting o( the Presbytery in April, this Committee reported ii paper sent to them by Mr. Chiuiquy, withdrawing the suit against Mr. Staples, and askiNg the Presbytery whether the terms were satisfactory, and in accordance with the pledge given by Mr. C. On motion, it was resolved, tlmt '• they could not be so regarded.'' The Pies- 3 V byterv'* Minuto does nut state whut the teimswere, II does it appear tliut Mi . rhiiii^uy was present at the meeting;, or a-ilci-d to amend iht terind oj hii paper, or thai aiiv imiinati.jn was jM\on lilm that su.d terms were obierted U>. i'h.- unly o.xplanatii'n ubtuinable of ihiri 'njalter i,;, thai Mr. i'liiHi.iuv iiud not pronil:it^d. in withdrawing' ihf suit, nut t«» mstitule it ajjuiii. Immediately ihereat'tff, it M>'< moved and earried, that the whole 'Uibjeet U Jio^- poned, and the case be tak-u »;p at lu. adjourni'4 meetin'f, to bo lield uH'hieago on the '-Virii *nst. At this nieetinfr a report on tlie »'olU.'i;«* at St. Anne's was adopteu liy the i'resbylerv, iu wliieU they denv the existfMK <• of said institution atui tjt llie pupil's, whieli were alie>;ed by Mr. f'huiiipiy Ul be, or to have been, under instruftion in it. Aj.;aiMSt thi's action of the I'rcsbytery Mr. «'hini.iu> com- plained to the Synod; nevertheless, it *as im- mediately publishe.l ill :ill the iiewspapeis as their final verdict. At the .same meeting the subject of i»iuil pvost-ju- tion against tiie i;(^v. Mr. l/ilulefor ■•■liiiKier. was taken up, of whieh he h.id lieeii bmnd ;. uilty by tlie iurv, and lined in the sun; of i? Kilt, on, as the statt'- me'iita Ijefore the I'lesbytery alle^red, the testimony of Mr. I'hiiiiiiuv, and t.i evade tlie payinent .»» which he had left the Stiile. For this aud .nher reasons, a t'oaimiUee was apjiointed, to arrange char-'esaiidsj •eiliealioiiv in the name of *'<,'ommou Fame," and iii a foiin snitabh; for aelnal judieial process against the IJev. Charles t'hiniciuy.' <)» the afternoon of tlie same day, tins fduimitle*' reported, "tlml from all llu' fae» , reported by jli.- ('.)mmittee on French Missions, and bl■o.l,^'hl out nt the progress of the iiivesli;juliou by Presbytery, liie J'reslnleiy feel that they mu compelled to institute a lormal' judicial jirocess against the Ifev. tjhas. (■hiniipiy : und do therefore now order that he shall be tried' u|iun the following charge ami its sieveral speeilicalions, in the name of " Coniuion Fame" Jis i.ecu.ser." 'J'liis charge was of " niiiniiiisterial and unchristian comluct "under several sub charges and .speeilications. Mr. Cliini.iuv was not pieseiil at tins (neetiug ! at least he does not appear from the minulcs to haw been present, or to have been uwaie ot the pruceeil ings. A Comniitlee of l'ro..ecution was appointed; the pa; lies were ail cited to :ipl'car :U t'hic:igo on the IHlh dune ; and the I'resbyieiy of I'hihidelphia was i.npiesled to take the evideua' (,f Mr. l.'llutv. who had by this time gone to tluil city. It will thus appear that si.K months alter the ter- mination of one 'toilsome and costly prosecution, .Mr. ("hiniipiv was again arraigned to |ia.s8 through another process in which his ministerial and person- ill character was involved. Had he been a veteran "i'resbyteriiin minister he might have girded Inmselr for the coidlicl, and, trusting in (iod, have artiiii- ,.d the issue n' the knowled-e that the lorms ol the (•hiirch could be used as elfectively for defence as lor attack. IJut when it is considered that he had only ,e(cntlyj"i»cdt'ie '^'^^ I''''--'^l>yt"'i^i" <-"hiircli ami could, in the luUuru ( f tliin;rs, have but an imper- .feet knowledge of its somewhat intricate legal If ins.it is not to be wondered at -flie felt somewhat pcrple.ved. UiTl'orlunutely, at lliis juncture, .some of his warm- est tVieiid» who had all aloii}^ stood by him were dis- satisfied ut ihe proseciitiiui ol .Mr. L'Hott', of which thevi without sjood leasoii, imiigiiied Mr.^O. to have teeu the instigator, imJ, deprived of tht»« aid, lelt ulmosl i-iilirelv t* iirs own iesoiir»'es, he lesylved on such It 4'ourse'us uppeured l(» I'ltn t«> alfoid itliet tiotnth*' uuiflentiiij prosecution to vliidi !ie wus subjected. Aloii'J with hii «'(mi';iegation, lit !nci>r »liliglv separiited froiu the 4'liicaga iVesbytety ftmj inadJ lormal a[i[iric;itini» t<» bi' receiv»-d into tlii- fellowshii. ot the J'aiiadd iV.b)tevlar»<'liurdi. Ill doiiij^' this hv was, lirtvtifVfr, leJ t«> >)eliev«» t»y tiieiids iu whose judgemeut h ♦h>'ii» Iw lesulved to ap- jieal. Mr, ^hini.^n^■ '.iceordin-lvNent it« i»it iictotsepivra- tion to the l'iesl>yi,ery wiii;-h met at <'hicagoim th<> liith .fiiiie, iind w'ent'iu per.soji to Toronto f.o V'*" S(.'n' his ptai'iion ti» Ihe Sywod uf lla* (■iui;id;v IV'S- bylerian I'liurcU. 'ihis was his ;\uswer 1'> the l»resbyt<'iy's tltatioii, ;uid lieing received by ihnu tli;-y deemed \t ♦• uot leleviiiil lo the in;itter iu hand " milered It t.» be put on file, and vaiiie to the following tindmg, •• Whereas the l!ev. Cliii-. t'hiniiiuy is now ou trial befoi-e this J'n.'sbvtery, charged by 4'omiiiou Fame with crimes deepiv ;irfeciing hi.^ christian and minis- terial eharaclej-. I'liid whereas being «lu!y cited he li;is failed to app(;ir S and whereas I'resbytery is ere(lit;iblv informed that he left a lew days since lor raiiiida,i'f not for Kurope, without making any com- tnuiiication to the Presbytery iu n,'l;ition to his de- parture or {lie neoe.s,sity ihcrefoi ; theretoie, Uesol- ved that, in the judgment of this I'resbytery, the • interests of religion iii.ipciatively demand llmt he_ be, and he heii;by is suspended trun, the exercise ot his ministry until' his case is duly issued." Xhey fuitlier oid'ercd that his suspension should at once be published iu all the religious newspapers of Amer- ica, Canada, and Kurope ; and at their suggestion a private letter was sent to Dr. Thomas, of Loiido:>. warniiu' him against Cliiniiiuy and arresting the charitable funds which he held on Chiniiiuy's be- half. That it was comjicteut to the Presbytery to do all this may be admitted. The aiimmumjus maybe iiivokedus* wanaut for tlieit |ii'aceeeiithi' iiw;t tiiiniiiul of men Ttie^ fCiiili.liiiif liavf lifU-ii t'>v.iuil him witU yit-att-i 5t'K'iliy. Jii Ills ;klj,i»'int.», witlioill th*' ]Mjw('r of it|i- [.(.■ill, tlin I't-fsdyU-rv LiamJi.'ii liim, tljimirtliunt tlitf T-.vc* tiintiriniis «if JuiToiif luiii Aiiinicii, a^ u ruMi nrrui>»iic('t f'>f "I'liiiK'Ji "K't'ply utli'ctiii,' his »)iiistiikn mill "luiiii'j'i'iiii^ ciifivaciev" a^iJ _fti a fugi- tiv«' fioru ju^-AiW, It i« evident tluit ilii» l'»f:;liytory vv»;re in a tViglit ; au'l that on a iii>ri- tumor, wltliout tfi'.' jiuii("iul j»r;vvit/ imJ oautiun ■Ahkli luiglit V.c fxjifft*''! ui A i.-ourt of i'lirist's ihnrcli, loutrwy L'lfri til th(» ^v'.Jclil^? wlilch Mv. «'liiuiH;iy'< own j'ujipr jill'iinli'dlheiu. tVif^.' «ssninwl llmt, C'oiisriiiVi:- *il' -uUt, h* win shirK-i:i» jiivcs'.ii;a- iiuii Into iiis <'on.iuct liy Ilii,0it. Had Mr. riiiiiii]uy Iii-t-n uc(|iiaii»U't'<'l'.ica;3'<». ^,^M^ol•allt ami imsiispfctitt^ •t what tlioy rould tn iliniia!_j»' liiiu rtiiil liis I'aiisc in tin- ••yfs ol' till' c'liriritiiiu u-orld, lit? tU'-auwliiie was sf'cliiu ; lelii.'l' id 'ionil fiiitli tVoiu jn-tmcoi'iions, wliit'h h<; li'li Iiail gi'MiliT»'i{ jiiti> [iiirMTUliiiiis, 'J'o rt l>r«- tlii'i- nliosi- nosiliiiii ili'inaiidi'd tli»' iiia\iiniiiii of ••<>iisi- (ii'i'ivtimt and thai ilj- tht- l'u'shyt»'i'>' ;lit 'h' iinH'i'i'ik'd ivift*. >!y ruis tiiiK' .Mr. <'|ii'iii[UV iKul I'l'tuiiu'd iVoiii «";niada, iiiiil wht.'» tho i'j'c-shyli'ry next iU'.'t ho ,nav»' in ;» (laiifv \u thf (•Hi'i't that at ihf.' \'C(|Ui.'St of liis cinvr<'_'aliuii In' liaJ of his '• I'a'shyl'.M'iatj rim " ainl u'.jui'Hlin;^' Vlii! t'l-fsliyfi'vy lhi'n>rori' not ti»troulil«) ihrMnsclvi's any uDn: ;il)oul hint, aud that if thcw was any want of tvchiii 'ulity »;» the net honing' l! at tht' ;;nod ^«'ri.sf ut' tin- infiii'ifrs would show tlii'U. thai iln'v Wfur ^l).ull^■ tiioi' hy .s|ii-kiii;i' U> thc'sij Itji'litiiualitii'S -.vhcai tin- freojiiid I'lii i-stiaii '»iill of hiin.si-'lt' -.Old t'iiii;,M'o,i;'aii>)u had Im'»>u nh ki'11 t'.\i)n.'S.si!iJ. lli; Vriistod thai this rosiu'i'tl'id austtcr to liio I'ro.sliyk'jy uii.'hl ho lu-i'i't'ltd ur. hii ii'i'ly to their citalloii. Wlu.'ti howi-VL'i, IM.; l*i''s1iytL'iy ut'Oi ahuul lu (uo eec'J with the lasf, .Mr. I'hiuiiiiiy uiadu hi.-, upiii'ivr- aaue with ;iiiiiiiihi;f ol \vil'ii.\ssi>-> ami a.sked to >>•,■ heard. He «a.s '.uhi (hal he would l)e heard iu his dett'iii't' if he wiiiild wilhdraw iuA ve.'iiiuu.se tu Vhf I're.slivlery'.s I'itatiou and iiiluniv hiuiself ti» the iuri.sdlViioii iif the i're.sliytery. 'Mii.s he rel'u.sed to do. He had withdrawn rroui tlieiii aud aiiplied for iwlmission into amitliei' t'huich ami he could not now I'L-eede from his [e sitiou. If this aelof separa tiou wa.-i notsuliieient he wished to he inlornied how he could disconnect hiTuself from the (.'hurch in a I'uruial way. l'"rom what I eaii learn Mr. i'liinii|Uy eontiiiued't.) speak on thissubjeet ami jireSsed i'or in- formation upon it, iulimaliu:; at the same lime his • >villin;i'ness to go on wiih the ca-^i' tliey had a;^ainsl liim.T he i'e.sall was lha( (he Presbytery iSu\ impalieni and failinjr to silence .Mr. ('Iiinii|uy, ihey resolved '• Thai they could no lou,L;er em'ure such intorru|i tion of their proceediii>;s nor hear iho accused any further unless lie would eoiisem tu stand a regular iriui withdrawing the above written paper :— and only in ui orderly way. Mv. t'hiniiiuy still petHisted on being informed kkbout the lules of the t'hurih in his ease and on ob- t'^iinitif sati.5faetion to his own mind, offering' never- Ihelessto [proceed with the trial. Irritated at this th* f'le-ibvtery liirlher resolved "That the I'ltahy tery ot Thieu^o do and hereby does respectfully ap- fit-ulxothe .Mayor of the City to protect the com t as inolii'iou* assembly from further disturbunee.' Hi* Mayor ^wlio hapjiencd to ))e jiresent and who, by the by, was also the Comnutteo's attorney in the collection of their Xo'.ps, notified .Mr. (Jhiniqny that he would be obliged to send him to prison if he continued to s])eak any further. It is here to be notedthat all hough tlie minutes of I'reabytory des- iTibf-Mi. t'hiniqny as " indulging in loud and violent reniarks"\vet It appeared on '/iquiry that all that could be chargeable against him was that he " insls- 1f(l oi» speaking." 1 was caretul to intorr' several of the members of Presbytery who jiresoi.t on that occasion if Mr.Chiniqiiy hac' • iinproj)Ci or abusive language to the i'resbyU liad buhaved himself in a violent way, ciiiu vtiiforni testimony was that he had not, andtlu language was uniformly respectful ; only '.hat, to . iinmiyaiice.of «lu- Vresl)ytery and the hindrance oi theiv'busiiiess, he had per.iisted in speaking and in asking »jueslioiis. On Iieiiig thveatened with imprisonuu'iit -Mr. Chin- .piv iinmodiately left the meeting deeming that his Uh'erlies liad been infringed by a threat of impris- oniiiiTit. Tlu! rres'oytcry aflcvlie left cited him again Init tie refused ti» appear " because that they were ty- laiiniea' siial threatened to put hiin in jail and would not allow him tit ilefcnd himself;"' that he liad been there witli wilnes.seslo defend himself, and the Pres- bytery would ant allow him to do il. Oit this oc- casion lie is als.i alleged to have denoiiuccd and lillilieil tlie rresbyleiy ami said thrii' " (iod bless theiii." The vilatiou being disregarded, (he Presbytery pre- I'vedeil to depose Mr.<'hiniiiuy "from all the functions of the Oo.spel ministry for coiilumacco;isiy refusing, alter dilation, tosiibmil to ii regular trial, for claim- in-' to liave leuouncei* the I'resbytery's jurisdiction, ami foriieting so disorderly a pail as to recpiire the interposition of a civil magislialo to protect the I'lesbvlery ;'" and all in acei ulaiice with the Hook ot l)i.s('ipliiii><'liap V. S"et. II. in refeience to min- i.;teis accused of " atrocious crimes.'' Let it here be observed ; 1. That Mr. Chiiiiiiuy separated himself from the Presbytery while under process ; ;'. That nevertheless he was willili;:^ to submit to trial and to ;;o on with his case ; '.'>. That to the annoyance of the Presbytery he iiu;isted on obiainiii- information on the points at issue between himself and them : i Tlu.t before exhausting their own censures foi the maintenance of order, the Presbytery invoked the interference of the civil inagistiate ; ■>. That again.st one of their own mem hers ior simply speaking, they is.sued a threat o! iiiipn.sonment aiul actually brought the magi.strnte within ihe court to i nforce their decision ; Ii. They depose .Mr. ('hini.|uy hastily, at a s|)eeial meeting of Presbvlerv, when only 7 ministers out of ;i2 were present, and under the inllucnce of e.xuilcd feeling ; I 7. They summarilj' nnier this severe act to be pub- lished at oiif'p in uli the religiniiH newspapers <•! the '■iiilpJ States, ('aund;'., mid Knropu : '■'. That ihi* parlies proseculin^.'. 'be witiifs^cs, foi ilio most |)ai1, and the judges wurf the •'• or V ministers atid ciders of llie Prf'shytery pr.^sent at this mcfting. som*' "f whom wt're personally intorpslfd in llio cas»'. On the one liaml we have Mr. Cliinir|n> ftli)iw», without n single friend to advise liim, very impj-ir- feetly acquainted with the prncf'.saes of th« <'hui;'h or the powers of Proshyteriea ; and on the «rtlnt n bcdy of men who had been his pro-^ecutors for tfiP last'twelve months, some of whom had bffomc yior- sonully and intenseh adver.ip to him and wcip snin;? his people br iMvil process frtrtho recovery of moiipjr or goods granted them in the time of tlifi" dir' ess, from charitable funds designed for their iis(> itiil benefit ; men besides t' oroughly acrpiaintod with all the forms and usages of their Church and wieldiu;,' these with great ingenuity to the utmost lim't of their powei. I'nder such circumstances wliiit lhiuIiI be expected but that ''hinicpiy would blunder Im own case, put himself in the ]iowi'r of his adver- saries, and leave himself op(-n to l)e severely dealt with under the forms of a somewhat llexible hiw. This case is one.as appears to mc, in which the Kiiuk- mum jus has resulted in the siimiiia injurui. Ihti discipline of the Church, primarily designed for in- formation, has, as ajipears to me. been made the ii«" slrument of penally and iiersecuiion. \\l i\\uuji the Presbytery seem to have acted as on a foregone' conclusion of Mr. Chini(|uy"s guilt, and with Jirejiv dices, and impressions on their miud.i re^iurdiuif him, that rendered tlicni unlit to discharge with iiijpartf alily and without bias the delicate funi.tions of jud- ges in the case. To au onlduker, aci(Ui'.iuttd witU the case, it would uiiju'ar that, guided by the ordinary principles of char'ty uihI justice, not one of tbesi ffentlemen should have put forth their hands to tb« .solemn act ol' deposing a .servant of Christ with such haste, and lliat if the odious act must be done it should hav(! been left to the determination ol' those who had not beccjine pcisonal adversaries of the ac- cused. In my next letter 1 shall consider Ui« tliargt's brought against Mr, Chinf([uy. ALEX. F. KI:MP, Montreal, March 21, 1 80;]. LETTER NO. :5. TiiK c'liAiuiKs AtiAiNsx MU. riiiMgrv. The (vhiu-cli at bir^'c will doulilless wish to know somotbiug of the charges which, for the sceoud tiuu", the i'rpsbvtcrv of Chicago have I'l'ought against .Mr. Chiniquy— to snti.-fy this rc.isor.atilo desire shall lie my endeavour in this letter. It woiddaiipcar thai, alter the I'rc-bytcry had dc- iiosedMr. I'liiiiiquy, they piocccdcd foriliwitli, at the same mcitiug, to take evidcie o in his al)scucc on the .„j.;i^,,<; ■;.,,...i(i<;ati(".i-' of tlio hud (U' charges. 'I'liey hifcrredthat the " I5ook of I)iscii>line" wairantcd such an imusi'ul course, and also considered it expedient for the defence of the I'resbytcry, should tiioir action in the inxmises bo at Kuy time assailed, Soveral witnes- ses for the iuosec.(tion were accordingly called and examined on oath. One of their owu number was appointed to represent th» deposed Chiniquy who went i.luough the torm of cro-^s exaniiidug the witne'sea, bill iin evideni.'e wa-i otfered tor the delenctf. While this evidence iaimot b* ivKurdi'il in any o'lier light ♦ban purely (.i-pailr. it >> liowev^r valii.Thk m an ei- ponent of flu- prourn!* of the Pr*!i>>ytn>*n wiiol* yru t^dure in tho r.is*. In VPgariJ 1(» tids pvMehC<>— « Cop.V pf wbivh hn» li'*n ol)tainp(i froni t'lo Presbylery— I would not*- that n good ilo'i\ ol it fousi^ts »if wl at lilt' kufiwn a-» ^Kiih i/iif t/«i's/,'{);i!, some of which are inJcei t>f the ist Hagraiitly >iiggpst!ri kind; 5t pontnins uV'o "ultidic Tits" from absent purlin's — rt specips of fvideni* iiiiid- mi-j^ible mid unknown in oriininal jirospeitiions fxc'iit fts dyius? doclariilion.s; it finiliPr ndmits Mfwspaiiers witlionl til* Ica-^t flutliti.tic.itidrt. (tnP of f hi se i^tllP lirilish /.'/l.s/:,';;, fillcj^t'd t<» contain Ji lr(U«r >»pi»'il froni tlip Lmidoii Untnd, " ta which ftapfi ii ' as In" ♦■videiu' st.itc til Jiav«' tieeii 'uldressed,' •f hese thiuK:-' 1 merely note in pa-^siug as )iPciilinr fea- tures of till' vvi.'r-ncv ; still, wlia'.e»-cr it is, it pvovideu- tiiiUy, ill my juilt;nieii<, nllords Tnatciiiils for A «'um- • jtlete viiidicalidU o!' tlie ji;'cusp(?, fr»iiu the /♦■vt'i'al of- fence. isitU IvMcli lie is chargeil. Lertvicig the evideiici* fur the pifscnt, «in\ BilrerfhiiT for J» little ti» the libel «r charges. w»» .■ i»»i v>iaiijiu,itio!j to >><♦ »i)uie\vi>at Iii'culiiiv iu its -tnicturt-. It •■otitaiiis, first, tlje iii:iju'.- I'hiirge of " rntninisteri- i»l au'.'. riichristiaii Cunduct:' .Vow, to thesf iici|iiaiM. ted with the ihniis and principles of the Church's err miiial iirocediiri' ;liis will apiiciir a very siuf;iilar and vmusiial major. It niauifesily inchidcs evcrylhiiigcnu* ceivable that a Tii'uiister may sa.i oj- do. troui the small- *sl iiuiir(i|aicly to >lie gravest criuie. 't'o me this scci'is ;Mi-./. '.Ill oiij,'li which it would tt»' liard for the liest iiicu ju Ilie t'liiirch li> V'l'^ willumt arres* rAiiil ils liuolition is only luuceivablc <>» the siiliim^iliru tliiil it vas ilesijilied to render j'-'cape I'loiii couvicfiuii iliipos- s'lhle. 'i'hisidiais .-treiigtlm. cd wlicu viie looks at what arc called the •• .-peciiic.itioiis" 4>f iIm charge. These are six iit miiiilicr, bi;t, iu jioiiit of tiict, are not fpt'cilicalimis at all, but :fi /(.;/((/ accusal ions. The lirsl is ■' Conniving at ,.iid abetting fraud;'* the second, '• Misrcpreseiitalioii :' the :hird, " Itcporling ri"- i l.'ciuarks with Disliirtions ;" (lie (oii.Ii, " l''alse-\,,f- ncss licaring," the lifili. " Altcmiitiiig to jiroc'irf a False Statemeiil frol.i a 4'hristiau .Miiiisiei- ;'' the sixth, '• ViolatiuK the rules «if tin; liook of Discipline in their spirit, etc.'' Now, most people would say tin se are ^nici-iih. not vprw/v, and that they are (he proper uia- jor charges of the )irosecutiuti ; the particulars which follow them being llie specilicalious ju-oper. AVliy ilii.-i pili.ig of charge iipiui charge, and this depiirliire from the usual and well uiidi'islood form of lihel — from the form, too, III wliicli rhc I'leshytery prosecuted tiie first set of charges'.' The icply is. (hat the livst .-^ct of char^jes tailed because, as was siijiposcd, they did not viiiiinice a (ield oldlfeuce siitlicienlly wide and general. The I'resliytery, tlniLfore, resolved thai thescco.'.ii set .should not' liiil' from any such defecl, hence they devised a form which would secure, that, if the spccilicatiors pro- per did uol prove llie acciijiilious ol (.'oiiniviiig at and alietliiig fraud, etc.,"' they would at least secure convi'-- lion of the -.vide acciisalii n of '' I'nniiuisterial and Cii- cbriolian ciaidiicl." Such in .siilistance were thecxiila.ia- lioiis sriveii of the jieculiar triple form of cliiiige by which .Mr. (Miiiiiqiiy was to be tnrd. Iu niosl l'resl'vierie>l of the I'rcsbylei iaii Church iu general, such a set of charges would have been dismissed as irrelevant and irregular. Passing now from the fonn of tliu prosecution, jet us look at the so-called specifications in their order. The first i- helping to jir terlaiii jaiiin; •ml the llev. joint iiavcci*- J. \i. l-'Hote, that he liad ri afterwanis »v the Civil ('(.( Maid note iu t A.-isigtieilit, n This h»u\\ StltjiiJiviidn 1. Tljii: tiK iM'W-ipaper ot itig tl" dislie M. .\n:\'* aril! «'t said jiapei tti.'eordillg rc» i. i'liiii M wheal, out (il fhiuiciuy, he ills null' l attorney for lieciiasiigui inittee, .Mr, with others, vici's «.; tea »;. That I ?;ilote as I for money m I'.iv's own ] ■-. That he )iul iirai hirs on accf liy hiniselt ret'iifcd itai of fraud, ing his claii for sp't' and also, .Murra; before aoou fore the cou cier had tol cc nmittee, c.ir and di^ Tlif fii'iit i.-, "Coiiti'viiiK nt .iiul alitHi.itJ fraud: iik lu'l|iiii(i- tv) iiriivciil llie iiayiiu'iit .mil cnllcrlidii of ii tPi-laiii indinNsury iinu»— I, (>,.'■; Mi'icii'i' briii;; |i.iyer, ami \ht: l!cv. .M. •,ii'.SHi|il(-'MMi| tUi'iMCMSi'il (Clii.iiqtuJ joint imyi;e.<--!-iii'i note ln'iuj,' tMii^ti'ui'ii ti» llir Jiv*. J, U. I/Huti", rti(! iiwM-'L'il 4M.'!v«'«I iiui) o>iiiii1iIla|K'r of I'liiladi-lphi;*, t'(»r Hit- |itir}iii-'l. Aii;i'5» iirnl Kiiiikuliff, \v»'iv ««'fit 'a tbi* (>iMiirii't.»r« «'l !^;iid ji.ipi'r »(► Mr. Sl;iph'«, t«» 'u* \>; Mm 'li.»U'il»iM«'«! tti'dirdinj;' ti»tli<' ti<'s< tif l-l'* «>W«i ,iiid>iHi''Ul. i. i'liai Ml-. Slapti'-* ti.iH^!i1 vvii?i tlii'M" tnoT»I«* sf.'.l wIliMl, out of whirli. i«f llir |-.i-.ililliiriidatioii <•>' Mr. rhiii!c|iiy, III' (favf .Mt»ii(k' (liii\> •Jnjha.; vv(M'I|i, takiiiif liis iioii'liti' the niiioMiit. aii<) innUit";; il ji'ty.tlih* t'» Mr. ('l»iiiii|iiy Mild hiiD'-t'lt. :t. 'i'h.it iJii-r*' i-'»:« of tiilt;iK »ln' »i«it<» fVmn VcrruT w;is uol lir<;ui-<> the tiimhi V rvliii li jiiir»d>n.->'d (h«' mIi<'i«I ■.V;ls 'H'r.o«\t'i| :»im\ f>|il:l I'f trttniif.l In «ll»' Jf|l(lcV>. "F Miat sMi-i» !i «'.in'liii.M> ^^ .»• iitl;«.-Iwi< tu it \ I'otu.'iicd rofthc yi'irpo-.' «i|' »'-;t;il'; diiiiij iiiid iiiaiu- t;Mliillu; •I'liool* union;,' (lie l'"r.'l|i'l( pi'opli', Tu »)ii- (It- ranu'i'imoi} it «'oii!d appi'Uj' thnl tin- i'fi'ii";«-iit-i iif l!it» ii)ii!i!y viHiM;/1y ;»«Tr(|i'd, i»ti>( Itviiri' |4;;vi> their tiofi'< without fii'sitallM* •. Jiiit Ihi'V fiiv<'V iin;i;^iii<>i«Mi|i^i.iii i>f llf jiaj**" li.r »ri»itM- tioii of thi'si' t^il'l*. 4, Thi'siMiotfs f'.«i.-»'l tiif'i 111" |)!itvV' I'f .1 ri'iicli MiHiiioi) foiiiinitlct' a|i;"iiiitrtt by \\iv J'r«-.-liy?i'n , ivlio, for ul;''i'ior piii po.-i'-i imlviiowii li» Mi. •'hiniipiy, div^'f. edtha'. s.lid iio1('< wlioiiM lie « :,-:ij;iii'i1 lo thiin hy lUt" puy('c.<. F<'i" 'his (nirpo.-»! (he « oiiiijiitlci' jiiit •'iiimm iuiit 'ilii' huml-* ot \U; MiinMV, :i liiuyiT. and ih** ^l'ayol■1>f Kaiikakc*', «h», a> ilicir a)j;oiit (and ji'i: >(i-. 1/ lloff'< i.s the .■i]iL'(.ilic;-.lii-ii ■^'"'liis to imply.) ohiaiiuvl n-;.-ij;i«. HR'iit of .\1' "cii'i'".-' tiotf ^roiu yit riiiiii'ioy -wliirh l«r, with.oiii lu'.-it;iiioii, ■^■.<\'\ ,"». Thai Nil'. >fiiiiay Ih'Ii? thi.^ .lotc nf Mi'icift'*^, «« i«ttornt'y tor tin* roiniiiitirc, t'ov ?\vo uioiiths iifior it hail iK.'uiia.s.iijriiud : afU'r vhicli, at the iinl.'i' of tin". i'oni» iiiittiH', .Mr. I.'.'ioto ISM.-; allowid to m'\v(A it, along uitli other.-, to liio i»iiiimiil ot SiiOO, in iiayni?nt of itf viees a. teaeherat St. .Viin'.s anil Kankakee. (1. Tliat lliereaftei- Milll'ay held these notes fur Mr. V'llote a.-i hi.s attorney, tbf a month oi' .-;o, aftei' which, loi- money advanced to Mi. I/llotc, they becanie .Miii> ray'.s own property and werothen .sued tor by huu. 7. That wlien .Mercier wa.s :iud on his note for S;J'> lie put uran otfsi'l account, first for one hundred dol- lars on account of .iervices rendered to the couiniittce liy himsplt and team. This he took to .\hirray, who refiitcil it and ^aid that it bore on thc^fuce of it marks of fraud. A second time Marcier brought a hill reduc- inn his claim to forty dollar.s for twenty days cervices for self and team, rertiried by .Mr. Chiniquy. Tbi?, also, Murray returned, tnaking the same statement is betore aoout fraud. The I'ase accordingly came Vje- fore the court, and on .Mr. Chiniquy testifyiiip; that Mer- cier had to his knowledge rendered .such serv iee . to the cr nmittee, the court gave judgment in .Merciers fuv- c ir and di-misscd the case v itb costs. **. Vlien Mr.f'hiiiiqny a^-iigncd the note, he hadju=t n turned from Knglaud and v.as not at the tiineuwaru •hat Meriier bad not been paid for his service:^, ll^^ »viH id^o under *lie impre;,.-i (riven wa-i|iiiitof the fiind.s which b«' hadbiuiMlf .lent to Mr. Stap!'".-* for di.ilribiition, and ttti'it tlie iKtie would, as ii mailer of cohtje, eoliie back he him.self. His idea was that the ar tlii> piirpH.s*' f liis liervici's; but wle'n In; foniiil himself t.;ei|nt law lie then resj:~-^.-l*:iaw«»' the Scriptures say, " Against an older receive not an accusation but before two or three witnesses ; ana lhiMgged from (Hie Slate to anolher to eross-e.vaiiiiia- .^iicli a witness. Such an act is, I lielievi', unexaiiipled in ecclesiastical laoce.-.-. It wasa-cerlai.ed llial uieiiibersol' the I'res- liylerv lir-t advi.u'd and aided Mr. i.'llole to escape lV(mi"lhe hands of jasliee, and al'lerward.s .sent a coiii- mis.-ioii to the l„irders of aiioiliei Stale to take his evi- ■lenee ;;'iaiu.;i .M 1 . rhiuii|iiy. Huch action may i.e de- lensi'ile! bill ii i- very singular, and does not coni- pi.'vt very well willi the exlreme stringency with which Ihe same members of I'resbylery con.-trurt eharges u! deliiaiueucy a^'^ain-l Mr. Chiniii'iy . The sum of 1'. i'.oudreanll's evidence is that there were schools .at St. Ann's in .vhicli young iicrsons, iVom 10 to 21 years of age, were taught the various lirauches of a comiuou and ela.ssical edticalioii. '1 he iiiunberol b.ivs allendiug these schools he cannot state precisely, for he says "1 never paid attention to il," blithe tiiinks that in the one there was pcrhapc: ,-i.\tceu or eighteen, and in the oilier tnnu twenty to twcntv-five, and it might be sometimes more, but ol the ages. uumb;'iv, ami charact' ■ ., of the youth, all he ventm-es on is, that such and such is his belief. When asked. Did the.-e boys all lu'ofess to be pious religious b )vs, or did some of them make no [iroie-s m ot reli- gion .' He replies to this leading (lucnlioii, ■■ All I cm Tav is that by their conduct 1 believe they wereiioi, very pious." AUhoiigh, further, he say= that mie ot these ochools w.is under the care of the Presbytery and not of Mr. Chiuiijuy, he yet, when atlerwards asked if Mr. Cliinii|iiy had anything to do with, tlii.- school an- .,wcred, •■ Yes,Sn-, he went .■sometimes and iiaid the liovs to help tiicm in their stud e.-. fur Miiiie time,'' and Ilia' .Mr. Cliiui'piy, with the con»eut ot the U'aclier, took olf part of siid school and put il under the .arc ot another teacher. He turthcr believes that as many as six or i.-eveu saidihev were going to preadi the gos- pel, ami perhaps otiicr.. did ^.'iv it, bull b.-heve- t!,,-.i these othcr.■^ did not k'.ow very well what they weie saying. He says thai he never understood that tlieie ■were thirty-six 'youug men, or somewhere in the ueigh- Ljurhood of thirty-sis young msn, jtudying for the ministry around Mr. Chiniquy or to he seen on the streets of St. Ann. Tiiis is, I thinl<, a fair and trutliful statement of tliis young man's evidence. Along side of it T now place the sum of the testi- mony of the two Paradis, young men who, in the judgn-ent of all parties, bear irreproachable characters, and who are among the three or four youths whom the Presbytery themselves consider students for the ministry. This testimony I toolt down in writing, and they signed it in my presence. It is as follows ; "St. Ann, October 10, 1802. " .John B. Paradis solemnly averred, viz., I am 19 j-earsof age, and first went lo school about three years ago, when .Mr. (tauthinr was teaching under .Mr. Chi- niquy. I lived then in the school house with .Mr. Gauthier. Mr. (Jhiniquy supi)ortcd us. I do not know whore tlie means cam& from with wliich our board was paid, bnt Mr. (Jhiniquy iiaid it. Mr. L'llote was the next leaclier; I think he was hired by representation of the Presbytery, so far as I under- stand ; he caine about the last of Xovembor, 18(iO, anil continued till August, 18ijl. I conJnued to attend school under him. Mr. Chiniquy used often to come and give instructions to Mr. L'llote regarding the con- ducting of the school. Ho gave .Mr. L'llote a" re- gloment de vie," or rule of conduct, whicli we were to follow — it was written — each scholar hail a copy whi'iti ho copied trom the original, for himself, some, however, could not write but others wrote it for them. This Rule of Conduct was repeated more or less on a Sunday, and I am almost certain that Mr. Chini- quy presejited Mr. L'Hoto with a copy before the whole school, and told him nul to p;ive a certificate to the young men unless that was fulfilled. Mr. L'llote cer- tified to Mr. Chiniquy when tho rule of conduct was fulfilled by the scholars, every month. This certificate was tiiken to .Mr. Chiniquy and lie gave me eight dol- lars pel uK-uth, taking a receipt for the same. All the pupils who conformed to the Rule received such a cer- tificate. In some instances .Mr. L'llot" reported im- j)roprieties in regard to some of the pupils : this occur- red so far as I recollect but seldom, and only to two or three pupils. When Mr. Gauthier luid the scliool the number of pupils ranpod irom twelve to twenty and their ages from fourteen to twenty. Oidy two or three were fourteen, the others were older. So fa.' as I recol- lect tlieie were no little boys under .Mr, Gauthier. When .Mr. L'llote was teacher there were two toacli- ers. -Mr. Manny taught tlie younger pupils. There were now about -10 or -t,") |)upils under both (eaeliers. iiefore .Mr. Manny c.une Mr. L'Hote had from U) to 42 scholars, after .Mr. .M.left the numV)er was about 21 or 2.T I think it was the iinilerstanding that whoever caiae to the school professed to be studying for the ministry .- although there were about 30 who puliliily professed in the church to study for the ministry. This public profession was made before Mr L'llote came and ^vhen .Mr. (iaulhior was teacher —it was the begin- ning ot the College. There were about 30 or 37 who afterward" signed the Rule of Conduct, and by .so do- ing professed that 'they were studying for the ministiy. There were two young men who asked permission to attend, one of wliom liad changed his mind as to tli<; ministry and the other did not profess, ami to whom an this iiccounl .Mr. I'hiniquy gave no siqjport. I remem- ber Mr. L'llote stating to .'". (. niniqiiy, eoneeriiing (Hie boy that lie was no* '•t)ndu.'''ipir hinHelt' well, and to take a dollar fi'oiu ....it. Tiie other pupils re- ceived eight dollars ,,<.'r month from Mr. Chini(|iiy. Af- terwards some ladies in New York assisted me, and then I did not receive it. My cousin Joseph received eight dollars for about nine months, and a brother re- ceived tho same for about seven months. Others re- ceived money in the same way." Joseph Par.idis con- curred in this testimony. Let us now turn to .Mr. LTIote's evidence. The first question he was iisked is as follows : " Was there in St. Ann, in tlic summer of 1801, an institution which could with any propriety be called a college, or such as any class, Protestant or Iloman Catholic, of educated people in the United States, liJanada, Great Hritain, or Fiance would consider entitled to that appellation." To this sweeping leading question the answer was " .Vo ; when I came there in the fall of 18C0 there was no school at all. Gauthier had had a school. There was n<» scliool thiit could be called a col- lege." IIo submitted a catalogue containing the names, attainments, his estimate of their character and standing, of all tho pupils enrolled during the whole summer. (This catalogue is not embodied in tite copy of t!ie evidence obtained. The Clerk of the Presbytery, ho ./over, notes tliat it contained a total of 2") for one school and Hi for another.) Only three of the number gave him to understand tl;at they were studying for the ministry. About i'our more, he thought, were professed. Several told him they had no desire to study for the mints- try, and two or three sneered at the idea of preach- ing. This witness, wlio says there was no college of any conceivable kind in St. Ann, afterwards be- ing asked, " What was the form of certificate you gave the scholtirs ?" answered, " It was to this effect, ' I hereby certify thnt A. H. has fulfilled tho rules of St. Sauveur's College.' They brought me the forms and I signed thein, though I did not know the rules." He afterward says that he did not think Mr. Chini- quy spent over from $50 to ?100 for the pupils ; and when iisked if he gave orders on his brother's store to scholiirs for goods, he said, ho did not know, lint fur- ther on, he .*ays, " Three, who," he ((!hiniquy) said " called him a liar," were from the first refused any sup- port. "The others had to buy at his brother's store what they did not want, to realize the bill of $G he gave them. When I signed," says he also, '• liis little bills I had no other purpose than to certil^v that they attended school, 1 would have signed very i\'\v if I had consulted their oouiluct aiul studies. 1 felt oliliged to sign them, because they w:u'e poor and had to pay their bo!ird. Chiniquy,'' again says he, ",liad given some rules for his College of St. Sauveur, but 1 never read tliein. . . . When 1 signed tliese checks I had no othor piirposo than tn assert that they attended tl e school ; for it was to the Presbytery alone I had to give an account of their mobility and dispositions. . Many said in the school positively lliiit thoy never would be ministers of derision faith." These 'little bills witness, are some anil some called ' saints,' by way those who had made a |iiofession of their to which reference \z made by" the 200 or more eertilieatos, that the students had ''onduotcd themselves with propriety, and conformed to ihe rciili'inent ih vie of St. Sauveur's Col- lege. A large number of which the deputation saw and r<'ad, nnd on the back of them receipts for month- ly Slims of money ; all of which are brought to Mr. Chiniquy, by the piqiils, from Mr. L'llote. The contradictions of this witness were so numerous and manifest, and the acknowledgement of deception jiractised upon Chiniquy by the signature of these 9 p FiJ! monthly bills so distinct as to need no comment. If any sucii like evidence could have been brought against Ciitniquy, a good rase might hiiv.' l)ccii made out against liim. It is singular that llie 1'resbyH.ry, .50 keen-eyod as regards Chiniquy, have been so olitusc about L'llote. Tlie one they have deposed ; the other they have sent away with the highest eulogiums. There is vet anotlier class of statei.ients under tliis specification; to which 1 must advert. It would ap. iiearthat, some time after tiie ditliculties had arisen be. tweenMr. Chiniquy and the Presbytery, in October, 18G0, a committee \Veat to St. Ann's to enq-iirc about the College; and apparently upon liic.r '•^■l"J.'l' '\'„f' meeting held in Chicago, IJ years after, in April, 180., the Presbytery passed and published a resolution on the subject, against which Mr. Chinhmy comphuned l.> the Synod: It is to the following effect :— That where- as communications had been sent to the Christian world that there exists in St. Ann's, a College with .^t> " talented, eloquent, and pious young men, and that funds are urgently needed for their support. Hesolvecl, therefore, that the Clerk be directed to write to tlie London Record, British Ensien, Montreal IVitnes^, and Philaddpliia Presbyterian, stanng, on the authority ol the Presbytery, that no such institution, as these communications would lead liie Knglish and Ameri- can readers to suppose, exists in St. Ann, or ever (luJ. it being at most but a primary Kii"h.sh and (.ram- mar School; that there ate no 30 young men ot the character described, pursuing their studies tor the ministry; but that the Committee on Education, who went there in October, 1860, after a careful examina- tion, found only five or six, who ought to be encou- nged to study for the mini!>try, and, at the present time, there are but three or four such youths. Not- withstanding affidavits to the contrary, the Presby- tery are satisfied of the truth of what they have stated. Mr. Staples also wrote to th« late Principal <'uji- nineham, of Edinburgh, m Nov., I860, that the state- ment about the thirty or thir', -six young men whs wholly untrue." On this same point, the Presbytery itself and the Synod, in their decisions on the first set of charges in which this statement was tried, state '• That there was some appearance of exaggenUion and contradie- lion in the statistics, so that the Court, whde finding it difficult to form a judg-.-,ent, still can find no evi- dence of -riminal falsehood ;" and, again, "Mr. Chmi- nuY, in calling out the youth and children ol the^ con- m-eeation publicly to declare that they would devote themselves to the ministry, was injudicious but not criminal, and his conduct in the matter arose from his ardent zt.Hn the cause of his .Master.'" Let us hear now what Mr. Chiniquy, per can- Ira, says on the question. In March, 186'i, he public- ly writes, " Two years ago, hont 3(5 of our most in- telligent young men, all belonging to our most rcspect- ftble families ottered themselves puft/ir/;/ to study for the holy ministry if I would support them during the time of their studies. This fact was and is as true as the existence of Kankakee Itself. . . • •"« second thing 1 said was, that those young men were Eoodand pious-a thing Which I thought in my l.eart and soul to be true. The thinl thing that 1 said was that they had a natural and truly remarkable oratori- cal talent— a fact which is also true, and cannot t«' denied by those who have heard tiirni Irciur.nfjm our chapel." Let us also hear what the congregation at St. Ann Bay on this point. At a mass meeting, held on May 1802 they passed the following resolutions 10 Having heard the 'cading of the communications pub- lished in the iMitdon Record and the British Emi^n, against which the Presbytery of Chicago intended to protest in its minutes of 'iZvA April last, we do certi- fy that these docunionis contain the exact truth, P.na that the Presbytery, in contradicting these, committed an act of unfainiess aii'i injustice. Second. That the existence of a College in St. Ann, where thirty-si« voung men were studying with the intention of preaching the (iospel, is a fact as public as the exis- tence of our "ulony. Third. That since two year?, nothing IS more edifying than the piety and remark- nble talents with which the pupils of cur College de- liver addresses in our Chapel every Sabbath. Fourth. That the Presbytery have been requested to make • fair and public" inquest about the existence or non- existence of our College, but they have always re- fused to do it. rifth. That the minutes of the last Presbytery arc saying a thing directly contrary to the truth 'when they affirm that, in ()ctober, 18G0, acorn- niittee made a careful examination of the young men and boys of tlie (.'ollcge. It is a public fact here, * fact acknowledged by the members of the committee under oath, May, 18(>1. thi.t the majority of the voung men refused to jiresent themselves before these ricvcrend ^'entlemen. Ninth. The College is ronsidef- cd by us as a most precious institution to strengthet* the religious movement so providentially begun amonjr us. Tenth. That the publication 0} the minutes of the Chicago Presbvierv, (of date I'M April,) is an acl of revolting injustice, by seemingly giving to under- stand that thirty or thirty-six of our citizens (wn» made affidavit on ouih,) have made a false oath when thev solemnly swore that their children had studied in our College so long as Father Chiniquy could support them. Eleventh. That wc have froin the very lips of the J.'ev. Mr. Kollar, Professor of (Jreek and Latin, in our College, that some ot the fuipils are translating with facility into French and Knglish, Citsar and Cicero; that they are making good progress in Oreek ; that Father Chiniquy is giv- ing them lessons in ecclesiastical history and contro- versy, puhiit elo(iucnce and Holy Scriptures. ^\ hat fan we think of men who publish that an institution where such things are tau^lit cannot l)e called hj wj other name Mian a " Primary English School. Let H« next hear what the young men themselrw «»v In a letter published 'i'Jd May, 1862, in reply to the Presbvterv's minutes of April, they Say : "We,th« l.uiiils of "the College of the Saviour, feel that we hare an imperative duty to perform. The whole British peoid.-, who had received with such <;hristian feeling and sympathv, the annoiuuement of our intention to nread'i the (iospel, if we could receive ttie suppoH we were wanting, have a right to hear »is on tht» crave (.ueslion. In the spring of (he year 1860, Mr. Chiniquy having expressed the desire to found « col- lege Ijeiween twenty-five and tliirty young men otter, fd themselves at once to prepare to preach the (.os- vel and not long after their number increased l« thiitv-six. We then began to study. Father Chini. quy ' himself giving us lessons almost evt-ry day, wlien at home, in theology, controversy, and Holy Scriptures. A great pari of us then were taking our meals in tlie house of Mr. Chiniquy. We were then hearing from everywhere our institution called •(.oN lege • wc were nuiselves thinking, as we do still think, that it was a College; for our intentions were then i^Hirerpiy, as Ihev »i<' now for miiny, to study to b«'com« preachers of the (iospel. During the absence of Father Chiniquy in Europe, the Key. Mr. L'llote was engaged to teach "f ; t\yo First classes were formed ; one of the more advanced added i ii i j ii >iH, w. Latin to their other studies • the other was studying only the different branches of Knfflish and French, ]nv' fjaratory to the Latin. Inthemonlli ef Ortcter, some luinisterij, in the absence of Fatlier i.'liiniqiiy, imi) without Wii permission, came to mulie some in(iii"st about us. Hut only sixteen of the jiupils presented themselves to them, and most of the time the number tias been over 3() . The Kev. gentlemen did not sjieak lo us in that instance more than five or six minutes. We •re sure that the expression, " After a careful examinu* tionof the boys and young men, only live or six were found worthy to be encouragt.'d to study," is incorrect •tnd untrue. Weaffirm, before the world, ihat :iU young men of this colony were studying and preparing theut* •elvei for the holy ministry. We will say nothings of the (jualilicAtions of piety anti eloquence with wh'cli Father Chiniquy, in his Ivindnesrt is speaking of us. The Rev. gentlemen, we see, have ibrmed a different opinion of our eliaracter and capw city. But these gentlemen are living at a vl'ry fe.out distance from us ; they have never seen or spoken t(» »ts more than five minutes all their lives, while Fatlier CMiiniqny knows us, has lived with us these last eight or ten years, witlt th." intimacy of a father with his children. The miraites say that, " Xow there are not 36 young men, but tmly three studying for the hoiy ministry." But Mr. tJhiniquy has publislied the sanif fact in his letter of March 22, of this year. When w* were 30 students in the College, Father (^hinicpiy (lufj* lishcd it, and he was correct. Whan, by the loss of hi» funds and the persecution ot his enemies, his Collegt; was reduced lo the number of Wrcf, Father Chiniquy hastened to publish it, ond he was correct again. t)ur father:', and mothers tiave testified on their oaths tluj facts published by Father Chiniquy ; 1st, That we were Itudying for the ministry ; 2nd, That Mr. Chiniquy f upported tis till he lost his funds ; 3rd, That wo are desirous of reiuming our8tudits,if we bad Ihe Dieans. Til* letter which I have considerably abridged, , ing, howcTer, the facts, for the most part, in the lan» yuage of the original, was passed at a meeting of the •tudents, and signed by 29 — several Ixjing absent from St. Ann. Four of these, however, afterwards with- drew their names, on itccuunt of certain e.\pres.siona whick it contains, complimentary to Mr. Chiniquy, and derogatory to the Presbytery ; and denied that they ever considered themselves pupils of an insti* lution denominated the "College of the Saviour;*' but only of a High School, established by the Pres- bytery of Chicago under tha superintendence of Mr. L'Hote. They also deny that there were 3G young luen studying and preparing themselves for the holy ministry, though they do not deny that there were 36 or mor« pupils engaged in studyi witb variuui objects in view, iu our school. Them wiis put into the ' amh of the ♦-«•■ LETTER NO. 5. The second sub-specificatioii nnder the charge of *♦ MisrepresenlalioH," is as follows : — " In repre- senting in one of said letters published iu the Mon- treal fVitness, that two of the young men, his stu dents, alter having been oiider his tuition for three months were called, and went, to Louisiana as col- |iort«urs, whereas the parties referred to were he.uls of families, in middle life, and were ncflr fonnect.'d with the school of the accused, and never spent three months under his tuition.'' There is really no proper specification here at all. The specific representation to which reference is made is not given. For the specific act coi*iplain- ed of we must look to the evidence. There we find that the prosecutor, as we have before noted, puts into evidence extracts from the Montreal fVitnesa u I g of 22nd August, 1861, without any attfcmpt at au- thentication, and they are received by the Presbytery as if such a thing were quite unnecessary. A charge founded on sucii testimony can never in justice be sustained. Hut, passiii- from this, we find that the extract put in runs vhus : — " Last year, as soon as it was iinowii in the State of Louisiana that niy in- tention was to train 30 or 40 talented yojng men for theministiv, they sent a deputation from New Or- leans to usii me to procure tliem at least t«o ot my youii" men. They said that at least 20 would hnd a coifstant field of labour among the thousands of Frencii <"reoles, who having lust almost all conii- dence in their priests, are becoming infidels, on ac- count of the want of any to preach to them the (Jospel in their own language. They were so mucii in the want of such men in Louisiana that they have engaged, and immediately brought wiih them the two who had made the most progress in th« 8t.idy of the Holy Scri[)ture.s and in controversy, thoujih I was leaching them only three months. The Pre&hyicvy interprets this statement to mean that " two of the best of the young men, his (('hi- ninuy's) students, after having been under Ins tuition for three mouths were sent to Lonisuuia. it is, hi)wcver, obvious that the ([uotation states no such thin", and that only on account of a slight acciden- tal a^mbi'Miilv can such an inference be drawn from it at all. Thequotation states that the people in Lo- uisiana .vcie so much ill It o/ "such men, — that is, men "to preach ihc gospel in their own lan"ua"e." These were the kind of men ihey are here said to be in want of, and not " students' or ' youni men as liie Presbytery infers. They, thenitW, engaged " the two'"' (these are the am- biguous words.) What two'.' ^hinitestly the two "such men" who couid " preach the (iospel, etc.,^ and not, as the Presbytery interprets, " students or '• \iW' men." The two " such men might or mi'-ht mit have been " students'- or "young men '' for anything the quotation contains. We may infer, if wc choose, that they were o^wcre not ; but we have no right to accuse the writer with spying that they citlier weiu or were n>-t. It we want tlie doubt removed, and to know what he means, w« must go and ask him. When asked about the (piotatioii, ('hiniquy'f* it- nlv is in substance, that it never entered into hm uimd to publish such a falschond to the world as the Presbvtcry make out his words to mean, _ It was a matte'r so well kr.own to every one in St. Ann s, and so easy of proeblois had been in jail for stealing, lieyond that I have no distinct recollection. The whole impies- «ion left on niv mind was that he had beiMi put in jail on a charge of stealing. I am confident that he could not have said that Debloi'. was a thief four limes, in an angry, excited manner, without my re- collecting it." Another witness says that when L'Hote came to the name of Deblois •' he seemed cmbarassed in delenuining who he was. At length ufler scrutiny he said with a smile, to this effect, ' ! believe this is the man of whom it is reported that he was m prisou for stealing geese oi turkeys.' 1 may sav, with a great deal of confidence, thai it li scarcely possible that he could have called Deblois a thief four times, in an angry, e.xcited manner, without my knowing it." It is rathe- surprising that, although the evidence of L'Hote was taken on oath on other points, yet that on this one he was not asked a single question. The want of a little judicious cross-examination is very manifest here. On this point L'Hote would have been a prime witness, yet is he jiormittcd to pass through the Preslyteiy's hands without an at- tempt to ascertain from' his own lips what he did say. What ho is supposed to have said rests thus only on the imperfect recollection of one witness, and the statement by another that his words were " to this effect," etc. The ijisissiiua virba -mo not given, the recollection of earli witness diffeia from the other, nearly as much us Chiniquy's ditt'ers from either. What 'then does Chiniquy say ? In the notes of the evidence which ha gave before the circuit court, (to the accuracy of wliiah, however, Mr. Chiniquy does not consent) he is renrosented as .-.avin;.' " Mr. l/Hote. speaking of Deblois, said be- fore the meeting that IVblois was a thief, that the has been in jail for having stolen turkeys." Any- thing said about drinking ? I cannot swear upon this matter. The mamiei' ? Malice ? I cannot ■wear upon that, the malice is inside. He spoke as a Frenchman is used to speak, pretty warmly." Af- ter an interval, examination resumed. " Memoiy refreshed? New particulais? To tliese questions he answers : " About Deblois being a drunkard did not remember this morning. At the hotel, looked «ver his books— reniembured— has a habit of writ- ing things— I do remember clearly that it was said that Mr. Deblois was a drunkard.." How many dilferent times did Mr. L'Hote state that Ueblois had stolen? "My best memory gives me four times." In regard to this last statement an attemnt is made in I'rosbytery to make it appear as if Chini- (piy said that l/Hote called Deblois " four times a thief." This, if anvthing, is a clear distortion of Chiniquy's woids. 'V/hat he .s.iys and means is evi- dently that, to the best of his recollection, L'Hote spoke four times about Deblois stealing, or "that Deblois had stolen.'' What, then, does all this amount to ? Simply to this, that three witnesses differ among themselves as to words spoken in public by a fourth party, that two of the three, although differing from each other and unable to state the ipsissima verba, yet allege that because the third differs from ihcin, he distorts the statement, when, in point of fact the three assert substantially the same thiiig. In favour of Chinitiuy's testimony three things may be slated : l. That he, a Frenchman hiniselt, was more likcdy to note and remember what a fellow Frenchman said. 2. 'i'hat he took noies at the time of the words sixiken— the others did not. 3. 'J'hat his evidence i* positive, he did hear ; the others are negativ«, they did not hear, or do not recollect of hearing. Jksidcs these things, it appears fiom other b sti- mony that the meeting of Presbytery at which the woids were spoken was a "stormy one," discussion was protracted till a late hour, and it broke up in confusion. To found a criminal charge against Mr. Chiniquy on such grounds as the above, and under such cir- cumstances, may well ba regaided by him as some- what vexatious. The alleged " distortions" are positive averments on oath entitled to as much cro dit as the evidence of .any other party— the report- ing amounts to his speaking publicly and openly about words spoken of a defamatory character in public Presbvtery, and as to the insligation of the suit, even if that was wrong, there is aot a tittle ct evidence to support it. Yours very truly, Montreal, April 2C, 186.3. ALEX. F. KEMP LETTER NO. «. The fourth specification is as follows :— " False -VVit- ne^s licarinsr-in rei.resenting, when on the slainl Ik- foie the Circuit Court of Kankakee County, ili., on or ul)out the l.Mh of .laniniry, 18C2, that the said Uev. J. li. L'Hote liad, without occasion to speak on lie snl.- ject, and with evident malice, before from one hundred xo to two hundred persons, nearer two hunared than ono hundred, Vjesides the members of Presbytery, during the meeting of this Prssbytery at Willow Creek, Sep- iember 26th or 27th, or thereabouts, said four times that Mr. Deblois was a tliief and had stolen turkeys, ducks, t.nd dindons, or turkeys, ducks or dindons ; also that said Deblois was a drunkard" There is a remarkable defect in this specification and charge, viz : It is not alleged therein that Chini- quy gave this testimony or made this reprt>scn- tAtion knowing it to l)e false. Unless tliis be alleged where is the offence ? May not Chiuiqny just as well say to the other witnesses that their testimony is un- true, as ♦hey say so of his ? Any one who has ever at- tended com ts of law must know that nothing is so common as tliat persons equally spectators and hearers of the same events or words should make contradic- tory statements ot what they had seen or heard, and that too with equal sincerity. Unless the accusers were prepared to say and to prove by substantial evi- dence that Chiniquy gave the testimony alleged, know- ing it to be false, it appears to me that such a charge should not have been received by the Presbytery. Besides this (the accusers themselves tieing witnes- ses) there is in this charge and specification, distortions and misrepresentations of (Jhiniquys evidence, which the prosecutors had in their possession, ihat indicates a culpable want of care on their part, viz., 1. The charge represents Chiniquy as saying , " that the Rev. J. B. L'Hote had, without occasion to speak on the the subject," etc., whei eas the notes of Chiniquy's evi. dence slate the very contrary, viz : " Was .Mr. L'Hote called on to give information about the parties T It may be that he was permitted to do so. 1 suppose it was done. Don't remember whether it was. Do yon remember for what reason Mr. L'Hote spoke at all ? 1 am trying to recollect; when ?>!. L'Hote spoke it was to determine, in my mind, whether the Church had been taken away unjustly or justly." 2. The charge represents Chiniquy as saying that Mr. L'Hote spoke " with evident malice ;" whereas the notes of his evidence state otherwise, viz : "Manner, malice ? I cannot swear upon that ; the malice is in- side. He spoke as a Frenchman is used to speak — pretty warmly. I don't like to speak of the things of the inside ; I leave that to God. In what manner or spirit ; friendly or the opposite ? Not friendly. Whether friendly or malicious ? All that was connected with It brought to my mind that he is a great enemy, who wanted to destroy me. I don't want to say that I knew what was in the mind of that friend. . . . I don't say that I was right or wrotig in tliat opinion.'' On these two points Chiniquy complains that hit words are distorted and misrepresented. A strong point is also attempted to be made regard- ing the numbers whom Chiniquy alleged to be present at the meeting of the Presbytery, wh*n Mr. L'Hote made the statements libelled. In the notes of evidence, Chiniquy only states that there were " from 20 to 25 ministers, cannot be precise, many people besides the ministers." The evidcnos of one of the prosecutors states, however that Chiniquy said there were present from 100 to 2' / persons besides the members of Pres- bytery, nearer 200 than 100, which said witness rebuts and states that on enquiry the numbers given by va rious parties were 7, 8, 10, 13. Now, what Chiniquy staled oii ".iiis point wa.s " to the best of li!= reoollor tion." To make a leading point of such a statement has the appearance of straining to make out a case. There is nothing in the whole range of human obser- vation so indeterminate and uncertain than general es- timates of the numbers present at meetings. In thib 14 case Chiniquy says that to the best of his judgment there were between 100 and 200. One witness say* that on enquiry he found only 13 : another supposes that there were twenty others besides the Presbytery, certainly not more. Another member of Presbytery in a letter to Mr. Chiniquy says, '' I do not think it improlxible that there were" from 75 to 100. Still my inpre-sion nmy not be correct, there might have been more, there might have been less.' Another in like mannei writes,—" I should think that up to eleven o'clock p.m., there were some fifty of .Mr. Smith's con- gregation present. About that time several com- menced leaving as the discussion was protracted to a lat<; hour." Ho-,.- i.-> it jHissible to make anything of a charge of this kind? All that Chiuiquy avers, is to the best of his recollection, wliat fault can possibly be found with that? Another point is attempted to !« made of the pre- sumed allegation in Chiniquy's evidence that " L'Hote said /our times that Deblois was a thief." What he did sav in evidence on this point is as follows, viz., " How many different times did Mr. L'Hote state that Mr. De- blois had stolen ? My best memory gives me four times." The lawyer's notes of the same evidence is— " .My best memory gives me four times ihat defendant reiwated the charge that plaintiff had stolen these ar- ticles. It was said with great warmth that plaintiff was a thief. It was repeated four times. Defendant made great gestures." Now, all that Chiniquy means here to affirm isevidently that L'Hote reflated what was said about Deblois altogether four times. He de. Kied to me that he ever said, or meant by anything h* said, that L'Hote used the word "thief" four times, but only that that word, and the other allegations were four times repeated in all, according to the best of his recollection. Improper stress is thus laid b. the prosecution on the implication that Chiniquy had ■tjited that L'Hote said four times of Deblois that he was a thief. One witness is asked the very unfair question " Could Mr. L'Hote have called Deblois » thief four times in an angry and excited manner with- out your recolkcting it ? Ans. I feel confident that he ;ould not-" Chiniquy made no such statement as this leading question implies, repudiates the meaning it attempts to put upon his evidence, and complaint* that his language should be so distorted. The substance of thii? whole charge is to the effect that three gentlemen differ with Chiniquy as to words spoken ty Mr. L'Hots in public Presbytery, in the midst of "much debate and feeling, regarding the cha- racter of an absent person, and on th s account they attempt to fi.x on him the charg«. of false witness bear- ing. That this, the most prominent of the charges in the prosecution may, however, be fully understood I shall fet down in order the testimony of the various parties regarding it, viz— Hev. Mr. Frame $ evidence. Did he (Mr. L'Hote) say anything in reg»vd to the character of Deblois ? Yes, Sir, he did ; the exact words I do not know, but something unfavourable to his character. Did he call him a thief lu a drunkard ? Neither so far as I heard ; but as nigh us I can recol- lect that he had in some way been charged with steal- ing. I mean that Mr. L'Hote gave the impression that it was reported of Deblois. Could Mr. L'Hote have failed Deblois a thipf four times, in an angry and ex- citi-d manner without your recollecting it Y 1 feel con- fiO at that he could not. Rev. Mr. Farrit' evidence. Do you recollect what Mr. L'Hote said at Willow i Creek, and before liowmnny? When he came toDe- Mois'nanie in the list (of a petition), after f.pi»euring to itruijglc to ascertain who Deblois was, my iinpresaion is, he said he did not know the person, l)Mt that lie hclieved he was the one who sometime licfore he (r;note)wcnt to Kankaltee was reiiorled to have been in ])rison, being accused of having stolen turkeys or jtcese. Some one asked, Did he steal them? He re» plied, I do not know ; t was not tiiere. After Mr. L'Hote hadg(me through the entire list, Mr. ('hini(|n.v rose and protested that Mr. OehUiis iiad not stolen anything, hut it wa true that ho had been in jail on that accusation, but was released after some time be- cause no i)roof was ever brouglil. Mr. L'Hote then replied with some warmth, Von say as much as I ditl, Ihat is nil I say. Did he utter the words " Deblois is » thief," four tiiiies? I have no recollection of hear- ing these words uttered once, cxcei>t that Mr. (.'hiniquy tried to raakeit out, after Mr. L'llole was ihrougli, tiiat be said as much. Mr. !/Hote lirmly denieU U. Rev. Mr. Staples' ttidence. Wli«n Mr. I/Hote came to the name of .Mr. l>ebloi» ilid he call himi\ thief? He did not. I nm as positive fcbout that as I am that I am sitting here. And it i.* impossible for liim to have made that statement, or «ny other to the same cft'ect, in an angry tone without my hearing it. What did he say ? When he reached the name of Deblois on the list, he gave ft French j'.TUg to his shoulder, and )» smile on his face, and h* lifted up his hands, saying. Oh, this is the emissary of Chiniqiiy, who has helped to gel signers to this jwti- tion. He seemed to hesitate a moment, and remarked, us near as I recollect, I do not know the man })erson- «lly, but it is rumotired of him that lie has been in jail for stealing geese or turkeys. That is my recollec* tion. Mr. L'Hote did not at any lime show that h« was angry while looking over their names. I am sure he was not angry, for he was smiling and jovial. He was ansrry afterwards but not at that time. What made him angry afterwards ? After we had finished comparing the petition and taken our seats, .Mr. Chini- «4UT rose and in a few remarks seemed to accuse L'Hote as though he had aid tliat Deblois was a thief, though he did not use the word thief to my recollection • but he evidently made the impression on L'Hoto's mind that he considered him as having accusea Deblois of having stolen, ^!r. Ohinit i\l tlie beginning ol the civil war, when the miliiiiiy ;iiiloiir of the people was at its height, and that Dehiiiis, the plaintiff, came into court in the uniform of a volunteer, and was spo- ken of in the highest terms by the counsel for the de- 15 I \- I fendftnt aa a brave and patriotic 'loldier. Now, without snppoaing American jurymen to be eitlier better or vorse tlian tlie jiirvmen of otlier countries, can it be wondered at that, taking tlie evidence and the military circumstance together, they should in this instance have given a verdict for the soldier ? For my own part, I should say that, on a fair consider- ation of the evidence, and apart from the fact thutDe- hlois was a soldier, the verdict should have been given for the lefcndant L'Hote. The testimony of the three members of Presbytery would, in my mind, have been of more weight than that of Chiuiciuy. Ihit would 1 thorefore say that Chiniquy had borne fiilse witness .' By no tneans. lie gives his testimony with manifest integrity ; he states, as a truthful man, that which he thinks is correct, and which he eminot, after much re- flection, even now think to be wrong. If he be wrong his error must be classed, not lunlw the heinous and awful crime of perjurv, b t under those sinless infirmi- ties of mind to which men of all nations are more or loss liable. It is to be noted that the Presbyter) do not sny and do not attempt to prove that Chiniipiy gave this testimony knowing it to be false. Now, unless thev are prepared both to say anil to prove this, where- in lies the o"enoe of his evidence being in some res- pects different from that of the prosecutors "> It does seem strange that (.'hiniquy should have been subjec- ted to prosecution on such grounds and on such a charge. ALKX>F. KKMP. Montreal, 30th April, 18G3. LETTER NO. 7. The fifth specification of the prosecution is as follows :— " Attempting to procure false statementH from a Christian minister, viz., by carrying to the Kev. J. B. L'Holc, on or about tlie .")th day of February, 18G1, (the fact coming to the knowledge of the Presbytery not until March, IsGJ,) the draft of a letter written by himself, the accused, and ad- dressed to the liev. Mr. Staples, and coiitainiug statements and insinuations eniirely contraiy to the facta in the matter referred to, and diiectly or indi rectly asking said L'Hote to ct py and suliscribc said fiUse statements and insinuations with his own name, and send the letter as his own spontaneous piodut- iinn fn snid Stanles." bvMr. L'Hc'e, we find that while it contains ac- knowledgment that Chiniquy acted towards him as a friend, and that he had nothing to compLin of, it yet is the most manifest piece of backbiting that can well be conceived. Insinuations of the most infamous kind are made regarding Chini(|uy under the form of things reported and ssid by others. An attempt is made to excite in Mr. Staples's mind a horrible suspicion that Chinifiuy regards " lies and truth" as alike ; "that h; does not believe the gospel ; that he calls upon (Jod as the heathen phi- Fosophcrs or infidels called upon their gods, to de- ceive the people ;" couns<;lling that " the Presby- tery ought to awake or they must expect that the true ChnstiaiiH will turn either to the Baptist or to the Episcopalian Church."' The temper of this letter to Mr. Staples is suffi- ciently shown by these extracts. It is evident, also, that in writing such an epistle, Mr. L'Hote was act- ing ill the interest of those who at that time were striving, with a zeal worthy of a better cause, to split up the people whom Mr. Chiniquy had led out of Home, into sects and parties. When Mr, Chini- quy left his uiiitjd and happv people to go to Eu- rope to advocate and iiromotc their interests, he committed them, all misuspecting, into the hanas cf thoseinwho.se Cliiistian honour and prudence he thou-'ht he could confide, but when he returned he fouii3 himself the object of the vilest accusations, and his poor people split up into factious : evc^ry ef- fort being made, bj interested parties, to undermine and destroy his character. Spies were set upon his luovoments and words, and these were misrepresent- ed and distorted to a I'eail'ul extent. Hence it hap- pened that many who were really friendly to liiin, Hot appreciating the aetual condition of things among the French people, were alienated and of- fended. In such circumstances what Chiniquy re- quired was kindly counsel and sympathy not perse- cution and contempt. The sixth specification is as follows : " Violating the Rules of the Book of Discipline of the Presbyterian Church in their spirit, and the rules of the Holy Scripture by enteiiiig a suit in u civil court against the Rev. Mr. Staples, somettr'e in the spring of 18U'^ without attempting lirst to have the matter ndjudiiated, or to have it ascer- tion to said Staples.' That Ciiiniquy brought a draft of a loiter to Mr. L'Hote, saying to him, " you might write this or something in this sense," to Mr. Staples is not de- nied. In doing so there was no oll'ence committed. It was done with the desire of getting Mr, L'Hote, who at that time was his confidential friend, to me diate between himself and Mr. Staplet, and to pre- vent if possible a contemplated division of his con- gregation. But it is denied that the draft contains aught that is false. Two witnesses attempt to show that it does, but their testimony mainly consists o( impressions, opinions and inferences. Not one of Ihc facts to v.'hich they testify are inconsistent with the statements contained in Chiniquy's draft. He is besides prepared to jirove by many witnesses that the statements are true. The onl^ witnesses pro- duced on this charge are two of Chiniquy's keenest opponents. When besides one turns to the letter that was actually written to Mr. Staples at the time 16 iixv.oA whether tiiere was any cause of attioii, I>e- fore the Presbytery of which they both arc mem- bers." It seems strange that any one should be chaiged with violating rules " in their spirit." What rules? The specification specifies not, but the eommittee of prosecution refer to " the chapters of the Con- fession "f Faith and the Book of Discipline ;««- sim, as involving evidence in support of their chin-ire.'' The word " passim,' 1 presume, means " everywhere" or " here and there.'' Is not this strange proof of a strange accusation ? What the "spirit" of the rules " passim" is there is no con- descendence whatever. The passages of scripture put into evidence are 1 Cor. G : G-8 and Matt. 18 : 15-17, which also are quoted at l\ilt length, ihcsc (,assa; the direct evj- dfiicc which Chi'ii.juy bus bosidi'S to produce, and in willin,' at any time <■> pioduce, vonld bine eon- •truiiicd'i majoiiiy ( t' the Picshylery i.f Chica^'o jtselilo have gav*- him h verdict of uei|iiitt!ii cc. It is to be reji'eited ihat no way «:oii!d bi^ found by which tills eu.se cou'd wis- dom and iibiiity, wo\,ld. F am t'«'"*inide(l, hiive .;iv4»w, ill terms that could ni>l hit.* bcfi» mistmd.' stood, the |.roieelion of jus'.ice lo tbd iiros'Tiited if not liersocuted • hiniqny. I« writing thus. 1 d^ tiot mean to convey any- imputations of iinovoner ni'>- live* or» th )s.> ,'eutlemni» in the Pri-sbyiery t.f Chi. ca,'o who have been the active prosecutors f thom is, that 1 do not think they have the aptitudes just titling them to deal successfully or wisely with this, to them, foreign French population, with whom they have been brought into contact. They wer» entrusted with the guidance and preservation of one of the most striking awiikenings of the French people that has yet occurred on this continent, and the result has been a " people scattered and peeled" — a flock breaking up into factions; some of whom, alas! discouraired and nerplexed ure turniii.r again to the bondage' from which they had well nigh es- caped. There is a general impression abroad in thr public mind that all Chiniquy's troubles have arisen from his not accounting for charitable funds with which he had been entrusted ; but this, as my let- ters have showed, is not the case. That he has not given any full account of the monies he has collect- ed for his people is, however, perfectly true ; and those who have known Mr. Chiniqny longer far than !he Presbyteryof Chicago, are not prepared to quarrel with him on this score. That he has expended the money he obtained on his people they do not doubt —that he has rnriched himself they do not believe. That he has uiemoranda and papers enough out of which to produce an account is most likely, but that he will ever make an account out of them is not likely. I do not think that Mr. Chiniquy's forte lies in book-keeping of any kind ; but I am satisfied Ihat if any accountant would spend three months on bis papers he would be al)le to make out a state- ment that would show both his integrity of jmrpose and self saerilicing devotion tu the welfare of his people. Hut Jf the presbytery complain that Chiniqny has liotinrtdeast;iieinenf of lii'i' his Prineiuiil. T<> thi;* d.y M. Chin' *.y «f. >f • i-no*what mnootir of m • .♦•y w«s sect k< iii* n ii '• dressed ti' him. and 'vevived t>y 1)1 •• '.' ''••«• s*-'! lots ii» th" ea)ie ; an) he alli' mx i>i the lit ^*t •e.ieit ' vocal manner that i«i.»-h of th.* nioin* oe. • io ':• French peoT'l*; of bU Colunjf hun \>vt\% divert.d iiu Other chunnelit. One thing is wttaJii that » cotisiderabV *um of thai money has been used 4»i payiti,' the c.>s •■ of this prosecution against Mr. Chiniquy, Meml'eis of Presbytery and others have leeii paid nut of tne Mission Funds pretty heavy expenses. The Presby. terv by a resolution oidered the t-haiiman of ihe French Mission Committee to pay the travelling ex- penses of the members of Presbytery out of funds in his hands that had been collected for the French people. One member of Presbytery, when, in niy hearing told that his expenses would have been paid from this source had he attended the Piesbytery that deposed Chiniquy, replied that he *' would not touch such money with (he longest pole that ever .,rQw — it was ft gross misappropriation oi' funds de- signed for other purposes." I state these things for the purpose of showing that Chiniouy is not without grounds of complaint, and that lie may well say to the Presbytery when they ask account of his stewardship, " physician heal thvself." I rather think that the public at large from whom the funds came for the French colony in Kankakee, would think it an error in judg- ment that the Presbytery should collect notes by legal process from Chiniquy's poor people, and his only, to obtain funds to pay for the prosecution of their pas or. There are manv other things that might be staled in defence of Mr.'Chiniquy. 1 h.ve aimed alhiin;^- ing 01 1 the chief points only. After careful inves- ti^'atlon into this case, and using evciy reasonable etfort to obtain full information on all points, my own deliberate conviction is, in which I believe iny colleagues share, that Chiniquy's Christian integrity and ministerial character come out of lliislicry tnaJ unscathed, and that he is entitled to be rc;,'arded as a brother in Christ by the Protestant Churches of Christendom. What the Synod of the Canada Presbyterian Church may do kt its approach- ing meeting it is not for me to say, but I do I- )pe that it will see it to be the path of duly to hold Duttho hand of fellowship to Pastor Chiniijuy and his ^leople. Thaiilsing you, Mr. Kditor, for the space yoi« have so kindly allotted to mo for these letters, in your e-icellent and useful paper. I am yours very sincerely, ALEX. V. KE.MP. Montreal, 9tU May, lHf..t. ' — J. APPENDIX. At tlie mnetiiij^ of the Synod of the Csiiiadii I'rcs- hylt'iiau Church, in iliino last, the lii-v. (_'. ('hini(|iiy made a|)plicatioii to be adinittt-Ll, ahjn',' with his coti- ;,'ief,'ation at Sto. Anne's, Illinois, into cotMieeiioii with this Church. .V committee of Synod was ap- pointed to confer with liim in the meantime. This Committee found that Mr. Chiniiiuy had jrol into some dillicultifcs with the I'resbytery of Chicago, (O.S.,) with which both he and his con^ie;^ation had been for sonic time connected. These; ilil'.icnllics appeared to be of iv complicated character, and to arise out of proccedinjrs, both in Presbytery and the Civil Courts, connected with the administration of charitable i'linds, and with the Kducational Institute or Collejje of Ste. Sauveur, under the immediate su- }>erintendeHce of Mr. Chiniijuy. The led ultimately to ft prosecution, or, libel, a; we would call it, aj,'ainsl Mr. Chiniquy, (•bar;,'ing him with uimiinisteiial and unchristiai> conduct, — under si.\ different specilita- tions. Mr. Chini(iuy was cited to answer tlicse char- f^es before the I'resbylery, which m(>t on the Kith June last, at (!hica;^o. It was at this stage of the jtroceedings that he and his congregation resolved to separate themselves from the Presbytery of Chi- cago, and the Old School Presl)yterian Church of the U.S., and to re()uest recognition from the Cana da Presbyterian Church. 'J'heir reasons for taking this step, the alleged, were not fear of the charges laid against Mr. Chiniquy l)y tlie Presbytery, — these Jlr C. declared his willingness to meet and lefute ; or want of aflfection and respect for the Presbyter- ian Church of the United States : or lack of grati- tude to the members of that Church for their liber- ttlity and kindness to the Colony during its severe trials, but because, as they alleged, they bad had no peace since they became connected with the Pres- bytery of Chicago, and that Mr. Chiniquy, having been already subjected to one long and expensive trial, in which, on every specification, he bad been vindicated both by the Piesbytery and the Synod, was now 8ul)jected to another, as they alleijed, vex- atious process, and required for his vindication to take witnesses to Chicago, a distance of 'lO miles, at confiideiable cost, which Mr. C. declared his inability to do. In these circumstances Mr. C.and his con gregation considered that no other course was left to them than either to submit to what appeared to th^m an injustice, or to separate themselves from the Presbytery of Chicago, and seek connection with SOuie Oiher FrOleslani Church. This is the substa'ice of the statements presented to the Committee of the Canada Synod. As, however, they were necessarily of an ex parte character, the Synod deemed it bothjust and exped- ient, before coming to any decision, to send a depu- tation of llu.'ir nunibcr to visit Ste, Anne, and on thv sfiot toin(|uiro into all the circumstances of the case. Th(! Synod accordingly appointed the Rev, .\le.v. F. Kemp, ((^onverner,) Scott, and Wm. Ca- van, a Committro to proceed as soon as possible to Ste. Anne's and to make the necessary incjuiries; thpy wore also instructed, if they saw their way clear to hand Mr. <'. and his congregation over to the in terim care of the Presbytery of liOndon, to be by thcui brotight, in the usual fornij before the next iiKM'tiug (if Synod. 'J'his deputation left home on tiie 2;!rd June on this errand, 'J'hey procet Jed at once to Chicago and sought interviews with gentlemen there from whom information regardmg Mr. Ciiiniquy might be obtained. They met with several esteemed elders and one minister of the Presbytery there, by whom they were received with courtes.y and kindness. ]'"roni them much information wiis received. They had all been Mr. Chiniquy's friends at one lime, and lia.' done a great deal to befriend him, and promote the good work of reformation, of which in Provi- dence, he had been the chief instrument ; but now they did not disguise the fact, that their opinions of Mr. Chiniquy were more or less unfavorable. It was theti agreed tlia', one of the deputation should proceed to Rockford, — a distance o*" about 90 miles west of Chicago, — to see the clerk of the Presbytery, the Rev. Mr. Faris. By Mr. Faris he was received with the greatest kindness and cordi- ality. A document was here received from the Presbytery of Chicago, proffering to the deputation from Canada every information in their power to give. The deputy had also the pleasure of meeting with the Rev. Mr. Smith of Willow Creek, a Cana- dian, by-the-bye, and by both of these gentlemen he »vas treated with all the confidence cf a brother. Having spent two days with them, and obtained all the information in regard to Mr. Chiniquy and his case, which they had time to give, he joined the other members of the committee, who had proceed- ed direct to Kankakee and Ste. Anne. At Kanka- kee they met Mr.Staples, who, with the frankness of a Christian brother, gave them as much information on the subjects of inquiry, as a conference o"" three hours would admit of. They also conferred with three lawyers of Kankakee, who were friendly to Mr. Chini;;uy. On the Sabbath previous to this Mr. Scott and Mr. Cavan had met Mr. Chiniquy's con- gregation at Kankakee, to the number of about 150 to 200 persons. They me", ulsn with the congrega- tion of Ste. Anne, numbering I'll 111 (JOO to 600 per- sons — They addressed both congregations through an interpreter, Mr. Labelle a student of the Canada Church, who also preached iu French. h I I i& omes! On Tuesday, Ist July, the deputation net with the ConKregHtion undei- the iiastorttto of >ir. thiu- i„uy at Ste. A««e'8 in tlie larjfe bu.l.lm- known as thi College, aLd used both ttb a Chnich and ed trom the dilKculties in which the con-regalion were at pre- sent involved. , « , , r Te make sure that the multitude of people before them weie no: brought there by curiosity merely. theCumn.itiHe asked those who prolessed to bo un- der the pastrol care of Mr. Chiniqny, in Ste. Anne s to stand up. Upon this, with the exception ot about 30 or 40 persons, the audience stood up in a mass. They were counted by sections by one ol the Lmn^ mittee, and appeared to him lo be not ess than 5o0 people n.o8,ly adults. We also asked then, to show us 'hether the petition sent to the Canada Synod was an expression of their wish( s On \t. the mim of the oeoplo held up their hands. On the con- tra.y opinio. :.eing asked fcr, only one hand w.,« held up. The large and de ..;.'., 'eresled congrega- tion were dismissed with prais>i v.'^ pi-ayer. One i.i- teresting feature of the v.:. r«h,o, of this congrega- tion is, That the people all stand up ..hen the wo d of God is read ;-it was a deeply alfectaig sight to the ministers from Canada, to see .so large a nurn- her of French-Canadians brought .out tn^n: h( Church of Rome, and now worshipping God m the pure and simple forms of our beloved Preshytenan Church. It may be here s.atcd that we were favor- ed with the presence of the Rev. Mr. Ilamilton, of Aurora, a member of the Chicago Presbytery, a gentleman of age and experience, whose views and sympathies were altogether in favor of Mr. Chim.iuy , and who kindly favored us with such information as he was able lo give, and avowed his unaltered conti- dence in Mr.Chin'quy. , , , „.. , .,, One difficulty which met us by ;he way, and w hich . j:.i . „„.,^„» «,oa iho flint, that the Presbytery, notwithstanding Mr."chini(,uy's act of wilhdrawl from the body, continued the prosecution agains him —They suspended him for not appearing at thei'r meeting for the 10th Jtane, and cited h.m a second tin.- to meet them at Kankakee ; Mr. Chi n- quv went to this meeting with his w.tness, but sta- ted that he had withdrawn from connecuon with 2ft them They refused to leceive his witnegses uidess he would withdraw his act of separation, stating to him that such was not allowable, more cspecial.y in the face of charges tabled against hiui. Mr. t. put questions to the Presbytery which was regarded as not pertinent, and, as his ulleged persisted inspeak- i„.r to the hindrance of their business. He said no'thing angrily ..r offensive to the Presbytery, so fa.- as Tus we could discover, only he would ask ques- tions a.id speak. The Presbytery irritated at this procedure, called upon the Mayor of Kankakee, who was preset, to protect tlieiu from '-'tern-ption. The Mavor, on being thus addressed, told Mr.^ C. that he 'must not interrupt the business ot the i res- bnery, and that unless he (Resisted trom speaking, he would call for the Sherifl' 'o put him m. P' >son. )n this, Mr. Chiniquy conside/mg that his libeity ol speech was ititeitered with ieft tlie Presbytery vvith his witnesses. The Presbytevy imniediately cited him a third time, and or his no^ appearing, they de- posed him for aggravated contumacy, m accordance lith chap. V, sect. ..i., of their liook ot 1 '«"!;'"«• The Clerk of l>resbytcry was also ordered to publish this act of deposition in the religious newspapers ot America ai,(l Europe. After this they appon.ted one ol their nu.uher to act for Mr. Chnuquy, *i d proceeded to take the evidence n. the charges. This evidence, both parole and docum.njary, one.-l the committee read through with suHicicnt attention to estimiie its character and bearing. This de,.osition place.! M. Chnii ,uy in a d.'^erent position from thai which the co.nin.ttee co.ilempUit- ed They could not but see thai he had acted ir- regularly in se,.arating himseH T om .he P,eshy. tP^y in the fa.e of charges tab.ud .t.,':unM h.m and thatheou.'htU withd.aw h.s d-" ..in' ot their jurisdiction and submit himse^: u- ;'■;.. aci . .i ot t Presbytery. This he stated h.s willingness to do it the Presbytery would hear his witnesses, at Kanka- kee o Ste. Anne's, and not compel him to go to Chica-ro. Ue also declared that n. the steps which he had taken he h.id no i.itention o v.olalnig the order of th« church ; but enly so.ight, in a way which seemed open to him to connect him^^elt with thp rhurch in Canada. It so happened that while the deputa.to.i were there, a quorum of the Pre.sbyle.y met at Ste. A,i,e-s, fol the ordination of M- ^ f °!l°^,!-^^^''"°J' son of Uie venerublo Dr. Monod, of Pans for whom neat little Church has been erected, and who has a congregation of 150 or 200 peisons, most of ^homrif'notall, we.e ""<-'« ""d'-'!-;''^ ^''I: f. ^J^"; Chi.ih t.y. With Mr. Mo.iod himself we had a long atid inU-esting conference, -"^.f''"-/""?;'^^^'^ ''^ such infonnntiou as time permitted to be given, vi'h h.s r,a„k,„ss n„d Christian courtesy the com- nittee were highly gratified. . TLe committee we., present at the interesting services "f the ord.na on L.d were cordially welcomed by the l''e«hyte y , after the servibe, they had eo'^ffl^^'X^f, ^"\'^^ brethren for about two hours, it. which there was a free a.id Wendly interchange oo.„,o„._^W^^^ did not see our way to any attUat.icis.. j ..,.._..--- dUKcnlty, but we parted in the most amicable terms: 5 ecouTmittee indicating that probably they won d make an ofKciat communication to the Presbytery at iSnext ordinary meeting. Thus ended our la boursat Ste. Anne's. It «««^^°^T'^H We still cQssary that one of the committee should have still further confer«nco with parties in Chicago, and with th« Clork of Presbytery. For this purpose ho rt- ra&ine.l behind the othor two, and hud a turtncr op- portunity of discuHsing views and proposal with gen- tlemen deeply interested in M. Chiniquy b weHavo. As the conclusion of all their enquiry and labour, they feel constrained to say that, so lar yet, they would not bo justilied in withdrawing their conli- denco from Mr. Chininuy. Thcv Hubjeclcd him to » severe scrutiny. They tested h.s statements by tvory weans in their power; they cxam-ned vo u- ninous documents in his posseesiort. which the Presbytery have not yet seen ; they found a largo and enthusittslio congregation ottachcd to him as their pastor, and -esolved to adhere to him; hey saw hreo young men under instruction lor the lios- pel ministry, and had good evidence P['=«e»ted to them of the fact that at one time upwards of thirty voun^lads, from 14 to 21 years of age, were desi- Jons to stuJv for the ministry ; whatever their htness for this profession might be, it appeared to them that atone time thcT had exp-cssed a d-.-siie tor it, and had entered upon studies with that view. 1 Hey arc now scattered— some have gone to the army, .orae have relinquished the idea-but the Committee were informed, oa evidence which they could not doubt, that there were c^ill 24 young persons willing were opportunity ofiered them, to study for the Ministry. A College, in the proper sense of the term, such as a Presbyterian church wonld roiog iiise, thev d. ) not Jind ; but they saw what eve y- where in French-speaking Low't Canada la called a College, in which, with an adequate stafTot leachers, young Frenchmen might be prepared for tUa studies pursued in the Theological Colleges of this country. And this, so far as the Committee could discover, was all that Mr. Chiniquy conteniplated. If this work of reformation is to bo earned on, it does appear that a French Institute, wnether it be called a College or by any other name, is required for preparing young men for the Ministry. 1 aoy did see some promising young men under training, who, if properly guided, may become able Minis ers of the Gospel. The Committee purpose making a representation t ) the Presbytery of Chicago in regard to the case, ond hope that the Lord will graciously guide all in- terested in this matter, so that no injurv may accrue to the cause of the Redeeme-, or to the important work of reformation among the French-speaking people in Illinois. They would purposely refrain from bciiKr more specific in their statements at pre- sent, but h'opeere long to be able to present a more full and favourable report of this case to the ^•'"*'^* ALEX. F. KEMP. I