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The Conimittoo ■ippoiniutl by your Hoiiorablo House to inquiru wlietlicr uiiy inoiioy has bocn paid by the Govornmcnt to any relisrious denominations in this Provinro, and if so, wiiut liio purposes aro to wliich such grants (if any) liavo boon applied ; aod that the said comniitteo have autliority to to summon witnes- ses and call for tho production of papers and records, and to report from time to time by Address or other- wise — Beg have to Report as follows : Tliat in pursuance to tlio order of your Honorable House your committee proceeded to the consideraiion of tiie first subject of inquiry, namely, " whether any money has been paid by the Government to any Ro- li^ious denominations In this Province." Upon rclerring to official returns laid before ycur Honorable House, during tho last Session of Ptrlia- ment, it appears that certain sums of money have been paid from tho revenue of the Province to tho following denominations, viz : Tho Church of England, Tho Roman Catholic Church, The Established Church of Scotland, The United Presbyterian Synod; Tho British Wrsleyan Conference, or tho VVes- leyan Methodist Society, The Canadian Wesleyan Conference, The fact that Grants have been made and receiv- ed by the above denominations is sufficiently estab- lished by the correspondence between the Secretary of his Excellency tho Lieut. Governor, and the par- ties concerned, together with the Receiver General's account of the expenditure of the casual and territo- rial revenue, all of which documents are amongst the records of your Honorable House. Had there been nothing further required than a knowledge of tlie fact, that sums of money had been ■{ranted to certain religious bodies, our inquiry might Iiave here rested, but your committee was desirous of ascertaining the full extent of tho question, whether the grants so made were to such religious bodies " in this Province." There was no question in the mind of your com- njJitee as to the full application of this understandin<» to most of tho religious denominations mentioiied, and indeed it was but to one of the '-at doubts existed as to such application. Some few years have now ei,. "nee tlioso grants wero first made, and a feeling con. .surate with the anticipatfed cfiects has very generally pervaded the I rovjnco. That feeling must exist and indeed increase. as long as tho cause which gives rise to it is continued ; that such a feeling should not be exercised town ds that body of christians to which wo have last alluded, were devoutly to bo wished. Tho remembrance of past years, when with a single eye their whole powers of mind and body wero used for the welfare of their fel- low subjects, in ameliorating their moral and civilcon- dition ; standing forth as tho champions of civil and religious liberty ; braving the persecuiioiis of their cnomies; enduring with patience, fatigue and priva- tion ; and living in iho allections of their numerous friends, is not easily erased. Your committee, however anxious to wipe away tho slain from them, fi'lt bound to pursue their course, straigiit-forward, and though tho result of ilicir inqui- ry might fix upon that body tho broad mark of pub- lic disapprobation, they, nevertheless, us j ublU ser- vants, were bound to tho performance of their duty. Your committee submit to your Honorablo House the evidence together with sucli oi!u i- appended documents as they have been able to obtain, and to which refer- ence will be mado in the courao of this Report. Tho question now under consideration and to which the inquiry of your committee has been principally directed, is, whothtr tho Wesleyai. Methodist Con- ference in Canada has participated i "rants of public money. Tho first grant from the Governme .'rf £D00 >l'g. was made according to tho communication from Lieut. Col. Rowan, to the " British Wesleyan Conference" and was paid by the Receiver General to " Thos. G. "Ridout, Esq. Cashier of the Bank of Upper Canada " to bo placed to tho credit of Messrs. Haslope anil " Marsden," who were Treasurers of tho Wesleyan Methodist Missionary Committee. This grant was not inudo therefore to tho Methodist Conference at that time in existence in this Province. That this grant of money was not originalli/ inten- ded for the " Canadian Conference," is evident from the testimony of Mr. Alder, given before tho Com- mittee of the Houso of Commons in 1828, to the question, "Do you conceive that the Colonial Go- " vernmont in Upper Canada has manifested any de- " sire for the extension of the British Wesleyan Me- " thodists in that Province ?"— he answered " I bc- " liflvn tlmrn nrn tinrxitnonia in «1.a Pr\l/>n!ol OlK..» -J — - — «.—.,« ..I...., »,[.,., .^..f^^ ^,j. " dressed to Earl Bathurst and to Mr. Huskisson from " Sir Poreprine Maiilaud which will shew that His " Excellency is very anxitus that the number of British " Methodist Ministers should be increased as far as "possible in Upper Cana'da; and I understand lh«l " ho wrote home a short time ago recommentliiig ' "^ " pecuniary aid might bo allowed us for that pu Report on Roli^ious Gran(s. [IVo, 108.] lit in Oclobrr 1833, Rulmcquont to tlio nrnkiiif; of tho firniit, ii uniDii aviik ralificcl bi'lwct ii iIid two Con- roiciiccs (a copy of the ariiclcs of wliicli uro u|i|>('ii- (ioil to tliis report;) and llio iiionoy H!i» piiid to Mr. Mariiddi wliilu liu wiis in this i'roviiii'i', liu buiiii,' one of lliu Trcasurnrs of tho Woslcyan Missionary ^ocitly in London and President of iliu Conforuncu llitn bil- ling or wliicii liad sat in York, U. C. From tho terms of tlio union, tocollior wiih tho evi- donco and o\\wt documents appended hiTcto, tut.'(illier widi such Cillers as are already in iho po'ist>s>iun of your lion. House, tho reialion bctweeu the two Con- foroneos appears to bo of such a nature that ninro tliuii ordinary skill is required to sl:o\v how imputation in ihomatUTof tiio (,'ii:ntin (piestion cau atlucli itself lu 01)0 as priuripal and not to tho othor as accessary, in tlio strictest sense. I" the prcfacoto llio articles of union, it is coniid- ored that llio oni'Uircnco of tho two bodies to " llie doctrines of Melliodism " as contained in iho notrs of " Mr. Wosloy on tho New Testament, and in his four " volumes of sermons," a principal reason for their connoxion, (this is important when it is considered that the condition contained in iho deed enrolled in Chan- cery, by wliich liio Conference at home is legally re- cognized, is, that it shall as such Conference adhere to thcso doctrines.) In tho second arlldo it is stated that the discipline, econoniy anJ form of church government in general, of the Wcsleyan Methodists in England, be introduced into tho sociftiea in Upper Canada." In tho 3rd article, " the usages of tho English Con- " fnrcncc, in rcfcronco to tho firobution, examination " and admission of candidates into tho Itinerant Min- " istry" were to bo adopted. In tho fifth article the En;^lish Conference reserves the " authority to send, from year to year, one of iis " own body to preside over the Canadian Confer- " ence." That tliougli in the Gth article the missions of Up- per Canada uro to bo regarded as Missions of iho En- glish Weshjyun Mi.^siijnary Society, yet by tho third section or rcgulaiion of the same article "tho Missi- " onarics aro t:) be stationed at tlie Canada Confer- " ence, in the same way as the oilier Preachers," the General Superiiilendcnt of Missions being connected with the stalionin;^ coinmittco for such purpose. Thn distributing of tho sum determined by the Pa- j rent Society in Lor.don to be applied for tlio support ■ nd extension of ibe Missions is madeaccording to the 1st section of tliu Gih article and the evidence, to bo by tho Canada Confereiico Cummiitcc. It appears by cvidenca, that tho union prevented the formation or continuance of Societies in ibis Pro- ▼ince, by the Wcsleyan Methodist Conftrenco in En- gland and nitaclicd tho£0 already formed to tho Cana- da Conference. In an extract from llio report of tho Wcslnyan Me- thodist Missionary .Society (London) it is said tliat the ' frant of £900 (t^'.orlini) made by His Excellency the! lieut. Govcrnur of this Province, was in aid of| tho expenditure of said Soc'ety for the support and extension of tho missions anion.; tlio Indian tribes, nr.d in promoiiujr Scripiural educaiioit among the settlers of the new Townships of ihiatcrr'aory; and tlio mi- ] nisters to this work, according to tho Ctli article of the union and cvidcnco aro appointed by tli« Canada Coafereace. I lly evidence it appears that ihnrn is a union b»- IwrrM ihu two bodies in doctrine, rondilitins of mrni- licrsliip, or in the teneral rules — in cliiirch fellf)w>.bip or ('•luimunion, and luio rhurrh receiving and rtcog- iiiziug the members of the oilier as members ricipro- c;;!!.,. ' Tliat the missionaries appointed to the sevrrnl mit- siuiis and who uro paid from tho funds to which publis grants have been applied and whose illuwaiires or* iiiiidf^ undirlbe niilboriiy of llie Canada Coiifrranc*, slaiirl in llio same relalion lo the Confc renre as olhrr ministers in reference to their probation, examination and ndniissiiMi, w iih privileges and allowances as such members of (.'onrcrcnco. That the superintendent of missions in llie Pro- vinco wl.o is appointed (and runseipienlly reniovuhle) by the English Conference, and paid by llio Pari'nl Missionary Comniitleo, is a member of tho Canndian Conlorencc, and accountable to it fur his moral and religious conduct. In addition to the above it may be remarked, thai there is evidently a very difierent feeling existing be- twecn thutwo bodies now, ihnn formerly existed, that is before Iho union. — Acording to documents n|..tHc..n iho Iwo P-^ndml?."''^"' *" '".'"'•^ <"i-..pu.u.io.l,c.„vc„," TI.0 proofs »r,. •.,,!;! „ro„,rer, if po„ib|e, which ro- ateto soiiio of l!,,, jmr.in.l.-.r, of ,1,., srcond Rrn ,, atterKran was ovido„,ly m.-.c^) for .he purposo o^" in! .ng expanded m ilio Province afior .ho Can 'da Con- f«ronco was coonc-Cod wi.h .ho English Conferenco n..urrn?T'""'T ''° ''''' '" "'""nciusion from .ho ntluro of the cvidoiicc and o.lior nroof ih-i. tl,„ uv .yan McMhodis. Church or Conf^riire i, Upp r ( W •Ja .lands connccled wi.h r-nhlic grants in a simH r manner .0 ,l.o o.hcr dcnnnlina.ion,' before mcn.iotS And in conclusion to .his par. of .heir inni.Irvvm., rZ":T, -""f^ '"''■' >•"- "onorah iSn^ erin, used m ,h„ Ic.ts announcing .ho cran.s " A„ ;; p ca..oa. .0 .lis .Majos.y.s GovLnme'.u tn, sot^" patchy from .he Sccre.ary of S.a.o .0 .ho Lieut. Gov Da.ed Downing Street. J „. . 27.hJan'y, 1834. / And concerning .ho heavy charges to which the finua to bo 42.000, instead of £4 200 " ia«ruc,!on's' : *"""""'"« ''''"'' ''^'""'S'' ^- «• "-d'' ' •• 'iiLTT ""^ "" '■'""■ '''"(^'o'" communities •• Tnd I •!"■ 7" "''^''' ''> grants flom .he 1 e™ "i " '•of En 7'' TT"" ""' """""nheCu ,e^ ^ Enghind and Sco.lind and Rom,, and of h» ;jfM;r^rr-.K^:a^;ttt^re';: :^J7-s^i:i^rr:-;ir^^ Yourcommiueolmvins so f-r consid ^ ."fi . ; fhl'n"'.'!?.': L"_:'".'!>; '-P-'' •» "- n-t. viz : wLI PmrnVr ' ""' '" '"" '"''' «^'""" """ applied. Ui.Mi..io..arieS:^£'":,';;^:---- 1,0 Church of Encl,nd, Ik, Romi.n Caiholic Church, 1 lie I ri..b;„.rl«n Syno.; of Uiiprr Canad. in ,„- ;.--i;J .110 Es.ab.Jj:, ChS^C: Tho United i're,hy.eri,.n Synod of Upper C.n.d. ^ our commM.,.u aro under no apprehen ioD (I... .l!- nl;ir:T:,x.^nn:-f:f'-.-:Sii-^ . an wha. ,ho .orms .' xpre." Vi: ^^7:;^,!^. ^aj;^:ipoi-£"-i-d^^^^^ •n .1.0 m.nd of your co«,mi..eo a vio.a.icn of con"r«l ^et::sz re^.aSr'',r;'":/^;i,rcJ„'"'"'"" ■?■• announcing tho grant ; tho'Zds a " iTl'^'n^'r der the amount to bo pluccd at your disposal." e1.„ .1,"''''T ' »"«""""« "'at this can mean any ihir. Clio than tho application of the firant to thosnecfif ohjec mentioned, viz: to •' enabio ll .oTuHd urches or chapels," were .0 charge the Governme ye, lUnGovenmentof Great Britain vi.l, dupTci"v .o^the Government Omce. .ud sen. i!Z ^"Z The resolu.ioni of tho Canadi-.n We.leyan Confe- renc. aro prospec.ive. ..a.ing .he manner in wWch .0 gran., if mndo, should be applied. By evidencl t appears .ha. .ho applica.Ion of the granf was mad^ in pursuance of those reso.u.ions. A, no returns had been rando of the annllminn «» tZu 7\ ';';'"' ■•"''^^ '"-""'-!•" o^MeTodi. u termed by Lord G ene e " nriiiil, " v^ "-"'uumi 7,?,'.';:r;r,:;"" •""»'""" - »■* ^" ;£"» scs of the various missions." b'-"e>-ai expen- There aro several considerations whiih induce vour !!rr.?.."_Pf.'>'"? "'« e-"« for the specific'tuoso of ■"■'" *-"""=^"" chapcis," and .hat of defiay. • ■,nr, .!.„ ," -"•,"" «•"« Jois, ■ and .liai of defray. ,^^. -fnd"oiou'h'r?' "^ "'? ^•"'""» "'"'«" «- lions, -and .hough .|,e last term being so very ecneral may inelude an application of n portion of th. .;rantto ".cl;npeU and school-houses/'' no ", port oa feronco allowance to tho Misjionariei. j^^fe^jTKsi.., 4 Report on Religious Grants. [IVo. 108.] 2od. Tliew Miiaionarioi Ihoirgh boing in the nmo relation to the Cwnada Conf.runceai other ProachcM iDuit, you.- conmiiilpo think, be more or U$% undrr tiio inlluenco of iJio Conrcroiico or Mimionury Com- millMo in EngUnd, through the nupoi inicndunt of mis- •ioni who BCls in behalf of that body recuiviiii the grant. • 3rd. Admitting lucb an influonco to cxiit, which ia certainly within the rungo of itrong probabiliiy, your commiiteo iubnilt wholhor (ho incoi|)oriition of such |jer«oni into a I, Jy whoso inlluenco is wull known in |ho gnnoral nllairs, civil m wull as religious, of the I rovince, has not a tondtncy to infuse those views in relation to the policy of Oovernmont which may be entertained by the body exercising that inlluenco. 4ih. The general luporintondont of missions, who a paid from the funds into which this grant is placed being a member of the Canada Conference, and a ve- ry prominent one, cannot bo supposed to bo without luUucoco. It appears by a return given in evidence, that the exact nmouiit of the Government grants is accounted lor. W hcthtr this account is in accordance with the yearly reports of the Troi«uier of the Missionary Society, and that published in the Christian Guardian, which are hereto appended, your committee cannot determine— tho accounts, for one year (1835) in the report not boing in detail,— and as respecting the form or manner of making out this account, they are equal- ly at a loss to understand ;— that the charges or en- tries are or are not correct in themselves, is not the question,— but why this account should be so framed a» to shew that no preachers but natives have received any portion of the grants from Government, your committee cannot comprehend. This manner of nc- coimting for the oxpomJituro of the grants is fur from being satisfactory to tlio committee. They would refer your honorable house to the ac- counts of tho Treasurer appended hereto, togeiliur with eyidoDce to shew that monies collected in this Pro- vince, from whiitcvor souroo derived, including the uraount rocciv.d from the Parent Society, are put into ono common stock or mission fund :— and that the "gcnonil expenses of the various mission stations" are pnid from the same, and that the same accounts show that otiiois besKles native teachers are paid from this general fund.for instance, tho Rev. \V. Case,Mr. Bclton, Mr. McJMiillin, Mr. Adams, Mr. Messmore, Mr. Tur- ner ; Jlr. Hurlburt mid Mr. Johnson, whom yonr com- niittoo ijp|,/cli. The above, together with the previous answer are. your committee think, a complete refutation to all the Jtlb'scr""" ' ''""''""'«' ''»« •>«" penned on the Your committeo regret that it was considered by the Methodist body expedient to have in any manncT countenanced grants of public money, even for the grants, as theyVoved the cause of p'^Mf; H-^rtptri:!!'™"^^^^^ "^ P"l^'i<= "-oney, even for the irig liieir congregations, of curtailiiig\ery nmteriaiiv anV^'Thfirn „ '" ^"^ . ■"' """''"" =n'°ng 't'e Indi- tho liberality of their friends, and of%rea^h,rdSe^ I is mrv of L r'" '" 'T^ "i^^" ^ "'"'" '^"'"" 'ho tude and want of agreement aniong the mombcirof .h„ h^r' I*'ovince when, instead of being aided conference, ia tbo^pplicatiou of &nc; "' Ln'dthrcZcl'eS Th? "'"-""^ ""d- per'cution / ;dna tne cnaractor of their ministers vilified and tra- 108.] [108] Rf'fMul on Ilcliirioiis Grants. fliiccil by ihoio wIiohi cnnnin'uin with flio Kxt riilivo wtri- well kiKiwii. UiK iMiwilhiiliiiKtin'.; lliit, llji'ir lu- liort wcru H blvfi>ini{ in lliu I'rtn liici.' i;i>iii'r:illy .mil Id llio liiJiam in |iurlinil,ir, 'I'lii' lullnwiii^ i.'.Mrart lioni tliR re(iurt ul' a si Icii cunmiii'io ul' M.i.r hnnoriililn liiiutr on till) |M'tii|iiii III iliriiiiiiiis ul iIilKTi'iil ill iiu- nilniiiiuiK, in lliii >iMr ts28, it an linrioiiiLIu ti'sitiiiiuny of their lul)uurt : — " 'I'liii ("init niul (mrprisini! rliiiiinK " tvhii'li hill (11 ciiiii'il wiiliin II slioi I jii riiiil ul' iiiiiii in " llie rluiiitU'r ami conilition u( lai)'ij bodic'i of lli'- " Mi«iii4Ha;;ua Iniliiins, it wtrll known, Irnni a stalo '* of viio ami ii-noraiiii', wi<'lrlieilm">» und dr^railiiti. " un — almost liiiilal, \Uvy liiivi> lii'cn bioiit'lit to li iliiin " of iiulutlry, orJir unil tonipoiencf, a tliirit fur in- " itrucliun &. knnc, a |irol't'ii!sion of ttiu rjirislinn " rnlieiiin, unJ upp^iicnlly a conlial iinii liuniblu b*;- '' lief uf its tru'.li and cnjoynii.-iit uf its blessingi. *' In tliiii chance llio Metlioiliils have been cliielly " innirunicnial. Tlioy havo inanlfvsttid llic most bo- " nuvuluni /.I'al in Hcr()ni|)li!diin(; it ; tlioy havo tent " MiHiiuiiarii'i* iind usialilisliud ScliouU unions; llicni " which uro >ii|)poiiud by voluntary conti iliution'*, and " lliuy are still hilxirint,' iiinun^ them with thi> san)e " disinterested spirit and ihu tianio surpriiing encour- " agoiucnt and siicccsi." In confirmation of thoabovoyour Cunimillce would rofur to tho followin),' i.'vidi'nce ^ivcn liofore iho suniu Ciinimittoehy a prominent Member of the Conference ; in spenkinn of the labours of tho first Misiionarius to tliis Province, ha !iays, " From this time tho Church " began to spread in difl'urcnt settlements, which allho' " for the nioiit part small and separated at u considcr- " ahio diitanci', yet were regularly visited by the " preachers, wlio in travelling from tho one lo the " other, wcro under the necessity o( following the " Indian paths, or marked trees through llio woodi " tor many miles without meeting uithn white inhab- " itant, and of fording or swimming riven and " creeks, in ionio instances at tho peril of their lives, " being soniotinics thrown from their horses and coni- ** pf lied to save tlicinaelves by swimming, or if they " could not swim by gelling on logs, or catching hold " of branches of trees, and thus drawing t^^ , Ives " to land ; in several instances passing the i<..)t in " the Indian Wigwam, or even in the open nir, *' with no other covering than iha canopy of hea- " ven. " But notwithstanding all these difiScullies and dis- " couragemcnls, tlu'so Ciithful Ministers of Christ, " and ihi'ir successors with no other means of subsis- " tance tlian tho voluntary contributions of tho peo- " pin, who being at that time for the most part poor, " and newly settled on their farms, were able to do *' but litile for tho support of their preachers, havo " continued to persevere in their labors until llie pre- *' sent liiuo, at a considerable sacrifice of property, " and in several instances, of life ; looking for no oih- " er reward than thn testimony of a pood conscience, " tho graliiudo and afleciion of the people, the up- " probation of their God and the pleasure of seeing tho "cause of God prosper and prevail. Tlio result of " thuir labors and snilcrinns has been the eternal sal- " vation of many, who have died in the triumphs of " tho faith of tho Gos|)cl, the establishment of nu- " merous societies in almost every partof thecounirr, ii • # » i » « n„d the conversion of several hun- " dreds of Indians from the most wretched state of " intemperance and debauchery to a state of sobriety " of virtue and to God." B Your rnniiiiitiex cmnnt biiiiib.iut'.u ilio a'l.Mist uni- M'l'.il tuiiniony biiriiu toihe iini lul labuitiif the mi- nistry ami iJKi loyally uf both I'ri; irhni ami iiii.iuber« of ill. I Mclliyilii chill ch, HI tliu(t\ldetiretii ilio report leforieil lo. This l« iiii'lilii>iii'7 ciich, indcpondcntly of .Cl,()00 already enjoyed by ilie Synod ; and <\n nddilional sum of i'J.V) to tho annual grant of the Scotch church. Tho late period at which these documents havn been sen! down, procludu tho possibility of making that uso of them us » ould bo wished, but they cannoi close their Report without noticing fhnt their under- standing of tho intention of his Majesty's government in the application of tho grants, is fully confirmed in the following extract from Viscount Goderich'i des- patch if date LTith Oct. 1S32: "With this \ lew I am to rcfjucst that you will trans- " mit to meat th > beginning of each year a statemoni " of the modo in which you would proposo that tlif " money •■/hicli it is intended to apply to religious "purposes should be dislributed, and in preparing "such a scheme you will of coursu bear in mind tho " principles onwliich you havo already been directed " load, namely, thnt you will endeavour to give as- "sislanco to tlio religious donominalions as much as " possible, by building for them in situations wher») " they can cooiiuand congregations, chapels und par- "soniige houses, us I am of opinion that money may " bo itiuch nioio advantageously applied to these ob- " jects than in paying salaries." And that tho Grants were made to the Weskini'(l. [l Win not iitnrljcilili. (,,'m llin liitr-m-.s of llm »"»iiiin iiii'l i!ip 1.,'iiiiri' oC iln- liiKini..,, m w|,i,l, miM "f il 1" CDniiiMtlci n. lln to nlli'iii I ill ll pifVTti-. nflli'irown jii tli n rrnvmrr?— Mr Alil»f, Oom lh.« Mi,Ki()niiry Umtii in l.munn linil Alt • fMinrv hi md tcnhfiilui imwiih iIn nti.t" tcni'H on i| I'nilij nl— 'I I III llMM ()l,l(. , fl'll llfl iWdl'K w ill »l.o i»ri'wn II' ii< VDiii. li> I'lliT morr I icir I'l iiri III yiiiir illly liiln till) iiivr«tii>ll- ti.iii ii|ilii> «ul)|i('M nf tlifir iiKiiiiry, Inn hmiiIiI rn I'liiinii'iiM ill ll ji 1,0 ri'iiKwi"! Ill ll I" II' X' iii;!i<«iiin. All wliicli li liuat rrN|H'riliilly Hiiliniidid THOMAS 1'AHKK. CiiAinMAi^ 1'. s:iAvi;r joii:; cix'iv J. KVMAI, • D. TIloiillHRN, T. I). MolilllMiN. ( AJ.KIl HOPKINS, W. I,. MACKK.\/IK R' Tin. ir,(h April, 1h:?(). yitmurn ©1 r.iiilciitri', I'AJMCR. •I'lloRHURN, KVvlAl,. MOIIIilSON, KOllLI.N, MK.MOCUS — M — Mm,,irmH, lloi'KIXS, NIIAV.JI, ('IMlK, ma(;kk\zie. Commiltff Runm, nt'itidaii, > 28/A March, IWii. C • .'oiiiniitt''p met. Mr. P«iki: wan nppointrd Cliairmin. KKV. EI'HUAIM j'VANS, cat:r4,nar,d fixamintd. 1. Ar'^yit a niomlipr of llio Rli ihoditt Conferonr-' in lliin I'roviiirn, CirintTly Known n« llm confi'ri'iico of tlio Alfilii'ilisi i:i):i-ci>piil iMiiirul) in ("nnada!— I an. •J. I!y wlint litl.! isoaid ro'iPriTcn now diHin'-iiiihcd '— Til" ( onfcronce of tlio Wtdleyan Metliodln'church in Canmln. :i. How lonjT Ims the rlinrcli to wlii^h rrii b-Ionp Imd llio tit!«nl' Ihf WoflKnn Mi'tli'vliKt Cliiirdi in Ccimdn'— It Wit lorin»i!y cn!'ii tlio^AicHioiliiii Epikcnpd Clmrcii id Onmilii, ui (^•t^l!r^, ISi.'l u wrb nnird tlio WVvj.'van Mo- ilndiBt. (.'iuircli ill Diiii!--!! Norlli AiiRricn, and iiri«34, it irri'iv>'d ilH pivr'nt U'l ■. I. Is Ihttl a.uco lliu Union with tlio British Conferonci-' I'H. .'■>. I.^ tliprr ti'^o'hor hndy of Mrtliodists in tin Provln.-r mllrd Wi'Hl.y.vi M.'Miiids;... !_Iljol'.'vo IIltp is n bodv rnlkd |iin " Cnna.liari W, -l.vtin .Muthodifn" tli-y inny ho CKl.i'd WrrJoyan !^l\\:m''Mi< v\ form- pincng, (i. Aro not tlip rrcniioisnni inpnilj.r.i of your rliiirrli Konirtini"»rn!',-.| nriiis'i WrFlovan^, in diftinctio'i f,r„n tlif Camidimi W.^;, y,uh< ?— I mniiot tdl timt ihi'v arc, it iiiny 1) < tl:« cn»-o ; I ni ih. y oro not ko kno>*ii nfiicially. 7. I'll the cliiircli tnwliicli yoii Ijclonir. and tlio Wc^lcyan Metiiodist? in KiicIiiik! foini but one lii.clv cr aro flicy t«o diBlincii'l'iirolirn!— Tlio M(>llii)dist hmiy in this nouutry is pcrftT'lv (iHtinct in Konin P'^pncts from Uio A/utliodHt bo. dy .'11 Dnirimu!, tut- twu bodios aro in friend!y cannoxiun Willi rncli oll'or. S. In fl'lin!. rc5p';ct('arntbeythoinine,Bndbmv are thry distintt?— 'I'hr t-ttii:fi in doctnno and discipl nt— Tli < W.'«- loyan Wl.■lilndl^t cohIitimico in Eii.rl.md ex'TriMi> impnst')- rtl nr di5oi;)^n.-.oiiBry 11. What i,r»«ip,i nnfioni hail Ihity in llm Pmvinnr nt t'liii' lhi< I Kin wu- firiiirii ,'— Oni III 'I'.roi.io, and nni' nt ,S|. (.'Imr. ng'luii, Olio l.'. On Hlicfi' pnrt «< rn propni'a'a fur L'n'cn flr.it mad". and \\\<\l prncfiilini,'ii wrr-. Iiail ill. rum 'lillit wa. I.iinbv ►.•i(t...l t_'l'l.- n... I .• - .. ' rem I'll 1.1 loi Hi- nt •((led !—'|'|ir firHl piorn^nl r„r (riMon waa I 111 I i i'lKli (.'oiif renr",— ihr (,''iiia"■ '"■ I''' to iiy iM and III,. iiMioii w H riiiili .l! Mild on llm rtC('i|it nf llin Iprnm ;alp, L.cy •"• l»id Mr. Aldrr mnko any li'ipiililinn* no tlip pan ( f tna confi rcncc a« cindiiniiiB nf tln> p-o|iOHi(l iinioiiJ_||p had no miHmrity to ilo no iind rii|i»ii(|ii .i,hy d'd no?,— m cnnvorHition In nnnf renio Im rtattd what he tboii^flt that iho lir IhIi coiiforonco would accedo tti m tlio teriw of the Unon. 11. What wrrfiilioinatipnlntioiia f nrw'int d:d Mr. \U dir ray tlm conlVrnnco »niild acoid'' to?— Ho ntntid lliil 111 Ilia lip niiiri it would bo tu'd-Knary I but I ho Ep rcnpaj I'urm ii\' (;iiiiirh Gnvcrninnal ilionld hrn!iniij;< d fur tlmt of an annusl l'r.'i.ii|..iicy, i|, .I'rcaidnil loin- npi'ioinlrd by f... llriluli Wrsliiynn Conlinnrc on na.n nn thcv *lniulil ili;nk proper; that tlio nuawa of tlm llriuh Onllrorrn si onld b(> Hdopird in Ihc adiiii^ninn of candidntrH for tlio id n »!rv : Ihit dintricl nicnlingsaiiiiiild boriitnhlivli. d iu in Kni'land— tlmt Iho niiB-iiin wdik Blniild |ir> put nudir th" dirocMiii of ihi- Wculcyaii Miafibnnry roniinittie m London ;— tint in nrdor to Iho iflcrtimlly iiiiitin|r iho two Biotbod.at, tiiicioliin in Kinf'tfir!. Iho Uritish Coi:!i rinco ibond fur a tmi" hn.i- the ri;jl I of iipiiointinK a Prr.-irln.'r lo tlmt town ; ni'd ilmt a-i fir la prjpticalili,' Ibo daciplnii' m.d nHitt'is ni' tl.o iJri- tifli \Vi il' ysn cimni xion ii|ioii!(! bo intrndiin d iiilo our no. cifi'S in l.'iia I'mvino — lio ntitrd firthir, iis i ciuly re 1 can rccollic', that nn iinfavonr'.bl • opinion waa rninrtnii fd jn Enj;liind, rnd in Lower Cainiln, i'l (■oinicrjii'-n'-o of nn impreasinii l^.iit the Chriffinn O'i/bm Vr», tjin i iru-nl tir;{m of our Confcrinip, was pnliicnl in iib clmrjiti r, tbattln Weflcyan coiifi^ri'iiro and foci'liintided wilh ury pn- l.ticfl party, and to avoid political diiriinfion cxri'p' m solf-dnpjnco, lliPl on tliia nccoiint il wrnid bo nrcrwo'V Ibiit till! r'hrtatinn fiinrdim fiinnld bcconn! rlrirtly roligu'iis in ilKrnaractcr, and iticp alootfrom poLticnl intcrfrrviico, o> - cop' when the privilrgca or nlinnrlfr of tliorhurch pbon d bo invad.'i'. on unlcfs Una wer" doiip, it wciild 1 c iinpoii»i. ble to cblu 11 the assent if the I'rpncbprs pillirr in Enjfl.iMl or Lower Canada to tlin iin-on, and bo ibprpfnr'! rrconi- MPiidid "ilmt our duK'fatL'pbmi!il lit- iivitriirird I'l asiiiir.) " the toinni itpp that tho Cbristinn (ii:,ird an s'lniild ansuino " a dtcidccUy r digioin characinr fur the future." Tuesday, 2t)'/, March, 163e- Commitfe mpf. r.EV. EI'HUAIM r,\ AN-5. a^aincaU,.'. inanditamiwd. ].") Wcr'^ tbp--o li€ conlidontinl coniinnnipa'.inn? made by M'. AMnrtoynnr pntifLTcnc, ordd Im mal.-riolliprs that worn ronfirnlai !— If ll.rse bod been ronlUirntiul I Bbould not bavo ftnted tliPiti ; be inadr. i.i,ino ronlidcntial coininn- nicRtioi.f v, hicli are nut ftati d— ibey Imve howcvi-r no re- forcncp to Ooverniiifiit grants or niiancial rpgulatinna whiilivfr. l(j Aro t!ip confidential commnnicationa in their charac ti-rp'jifi'y r'lgions or cHo^-ibi-r pohlicari—Tlipv ware not (it oil political in tlicr character, not in the iKO»t remote doproe. 17. Did the comnninirp.tions in any way relate to the po- litical character of the Methodist body— or lo that of any of l.'ie couli-'rencp. or to nny piilijicption under the authnrity of tho Conferoi'PO ?— Ko t'liey did not. 19. If llipy (the coritnunirations) wero purely robginns and not at all polUical, why are lliey contidoutial !— iUr. I(K) [IVo. lOv^.] Kvidoiicc lo RoporJ on UcIiijioiH (jJraiiis. 7 A iKt lilrii"! irniii'i) iiii»v . t tli«l i| ii>l .,11 h ilif II, .111 I cii; nil mj' p iri lli>7 tre cnntiili ritit!, tccBUX) co ntiiuii c-i'tiii m furli. III. Wi'fUliry ( !,<• niinmiinttat nr») inn!.- Ii' y<>ii »ol 'jr rr «Kf>r'> jpii in i:ir Ci.nlVr'i-o I jr M'- AM.r !— 'I'licy WiT' Ihu mtij.'ri of pr viite roinn iiii ri;tif.ri Iji Iwc n lny m MoikI Mr. Alili r, R ill I tliM my liitwii 11 litiii nnil otliiitr inrmb'trt ol' till) (.'uiift runeu ;— tin y vvrru a!«i ittj'.i d 111 tO"l''Tclii'S 'H). Aroymi t«'iroll>ifi m«>nili('f of «mir ConC rrnrn liB» mill" lln'i» coiiiinuniciilinmi piililiCi iio* dii "iilrfin^ lli.'iii rimrMl.'nti il !— I ifUT hi'uril ilmt t ii|irii|i|iT of coi:. r<'r 'nrr> iiiiil rniniiiutiiciiiuil tliriii uniii I licard It yi'Mordnjr ' itiiin Dr. Morn on, •Jl. \Vn. !)■)' ft mvi:ii T (if ymir rmt' r-iiro p'llrr pri- ' vnt'ly or pnlilicly aiiiiiiiilvf>rl'il nil l„r li;iviin( iiimlo Hum j.ulilu !~N\'vir 111 my kiiowli'il^'". , 'i'i. lUvi' yim ri-M" lii'nrd Hint llifH" ci'mrr.ilntcntioni WPtf kii iwM by o'lii r pi-'Oim nil innnilu'M »■( ymir confr- |.|iri)t— I l.nvo liPViT ll'ltil yciicriliiy, nii li forr- htnt'il. 1*). Il»p you I'.iii Blwiiyii »iii|i(io!i('(l. till Dr. iMurriiinn < (liviil(f»c! III!' rdritriiry, l!ml Huh. i-uinnninirii' om wiTo » •• | iTPt i_| li«\i> «l«;i)» (iitiriiiiiiil noliiL'h n'H'Jii.pm Ibriiiv l RliiiiBirril liri'lliriii ll'ltil umiinHn Ihcy v.ouul mil ruviiii , tliiixp niilldonti'il ciiiiiiiiiiircaiiiiiiii, 1 •.'I. h it 111' I'ndfiliV timt Mtim mrmlirM of yotir ConfiT- '. rntf (I iI' r wi'li yon n» to iliour oomniiiiiii'ilioriB bein;} con. ' fulcntjiil !— I n'diiM thiik if vry iinproli ilil.!. -.y Win n vol. or jDiirConf'.'rciico p i«ii"d pnjoining m*. iri'cy on il« mfiiih'n 01 t.i lliniiT> mm uimicnt onn ?— No; --WP linvii till) iiiiic'i contiiloiico in eucli uUii r« probity to llriiU Kiii'li 11 vn'o noi?''fle«ry. '.'0. \V("i!(l It b.' n brt'Rcli o^'prnbity in ynur mfinbors to A vii^fi any roiiimiini .nlidns lint ib.'y niij;lit tlunls nnoia- mry lobopiiMhly known ?-l lliink from t ('nn'iireoCllin.r. ri.iiimnni(;ilion8 no m iiib.r of Iho Conf"r<'tii: • coiibl tbiiik II nccocwry il,;,t I'lry f!i iilil bo publicly kniivn. 37. Do the iTifiib' rs of yoijr ConreriMico oiij y froodotn o!'jmli;rmoiiti— It'll: y i!o, innylli-y not be nllowodio di- (r Willi yon ill opiiion r.H to t'lono connnuniciitionH b 'ing I'Oiifi.l mul Willi iiii|iiiMitj- !_Tlio inoniborhoroiir Coiitlr- ence frj"y f.ni iLni oCju '^'iii.ii;, 1 ili nk Ikuvcvit thi't ovo. ry lionoriibl) mill rlirisimn principle woiil.J •' .-bid llieir cM. f idoriiitt tliPRo ooiuinupiiRiitio'ii! ns not ftrictly confid^ntltl, rli n limy woro iimdi in fih:li, cspcciallv nsi i!io di*uIgiiiK of I hem CO iM in nn wiio pronulo the pulilic wcnl, nw ibu ri.'fin r? to do to bo nl ull detrimental to it. Jl 28. Do'ii nny chr>l'itn p-inr-p'o (brfvd any membor of y lur I'oiil'frcn'O frnin making public tbal tb it nny have boon I'lniiniiiiiciilcd 10 Imn in fuiiliilfnco whon be j,'»v«-' no pb.'rii'p lotbaMir.cf, or no obligation of ancrciy was cn- jo nod on hiTo, if liotb >iij;ht llml it wm iieccsjry to tb" woirarooftlio 1 liiirib on I cf tbe w.irld tonvdtn iljinbli"! • Uirlfliin'i prini;ij,!ij (iirbids uiiy win doiii^ evl thai cjoJ Mar coioo. ao. Ddyoipl djoymirsctfto aqcrecy to H;r. AMnr or 1I11I nny niomhfr oryniir Co •'oronoc pU-Ag; liiino-jf to ft: irccy iirv.a-i P->.-recy oi-j.imod on tho nnm .or." of your Conti fpncn by n vo^o of iho Conf.rpnoo wlion or nrt.r Mr. A'd.'r ni.Tlc tlio.ao coniiniinicBliooii !— I ntn ml nuaro tImt r.ny prrson ov r civo b direct plo lif-. to pocmcv to Mr. Al- dfir' but no I ptoted iN'fbre,B« nn jriwl could rosuh from tlo'r publioilion, 1 considfrthe 10 ifM.'iitial nminor in wliicb tlicy wiMo cnininunicatiid euBioient to render them perfect- iy lonfidenti.il. 30. Wlio wai it m-ido tin ronfnlcntial injunotion, End wlint WIS lis na'uro to rnnilcr it .ti obli;:iili,>n o! Hccrc- ly.'— Mr. Alder vvns llio prrBoii ns giitod b^fir,-', wlio Made tlic crnininnii ations codidontial. In my opinion the (il)lii;al:on ofBi'cr..cyrc>-.-tfi upon Hi., implicit coiitid.^nco rn. posed by tl at gonii.iioaii in tiio lionnrablo and cliriPliim character and led ni;s of tlioso to wlioni tlicv were coininu. nicatcd. 31. Do you mran to Biy tliat nny mcmbpr of your Con- ference who may have divulifcd Ibespconimn !.!!i!..\n» lias Facrifi.:cd iiis clirKtinn cliarautcr?— 1 am not nw:irc> that any monilwr ofCopliri'nce Ima cotiimnnicatcd lliom ng I iaid before;— tnc iji-stion a-aunics a case of the cxiatonce of which 1 have no kiiowl'.'dirc "■y llcivo y.ii rot a.nini'l tl tit if •iMMiihnr of Coi.fi.r. 'Mr , I ir lll^ I'lio yoi.rilf, I 'I il ■.tilj.d Hi. » • com luni- mioiK lie w.iiild i ov • be, 11 i- (y c'a wiii ,,f prpt||iy, |< I iMil l!|ln a fH.ol-l p.r('iii|'< do Mit fully iini|.'r«lfid t'l.. I ipf" i n, |f,t inipl, ,. Ilmt ,::, n cn^n 11 in'iiiniod n my repli.H |,i firmer ijii ►'iiMi«. loiii-i' replie* nm f, for" ilm cijimileot.i iiiiiki- wliti u»oiif Ibun Hi,-y uiiy tlnnk pro. per. ^ il!!. Ilarryiviiinf BMntn'dt'idli'infommMtiiealieniinnde Iy Mr. Alder nil lie a 111 'oil 'o wir" eo || I, utially miidn Id I'lp ('(inf r re — hi r l.irt lolo (..i.<\,lf-iii»|ly |tr|,t by tlioiil, nnl biive jon not avfiinied i:,il »■•(• vy 111 the liimti. ' b'TB r.'di .d (111 111 ir cli- ^iian 1 liiirn.ieraiid leejin},', conai. ipi'n'iy if III y dnu't'i i.em 1 n yo'ir opiui.ie) are tliry no' •;{iiil|y of a iiRCi Ii M cliripiiiin ehiirirt. r and feejui;.'?— | r. I T t'|. (•ommiii: e loiny funiier r pIcH for an nrmwT to I lli'K ijo ilK I, a< It ne,.int til h" fiindi'd n I iy u,ioii Ihem N iniild i-nch a ci-ii rverccm ' b lor.- llie coiilroiice, which I lliiiii( ii vjry iiiijiri b.ible, I rlull then and llicrj pftai iny joilameni. I ill. Doe* rot yr.iir evidonce 01 the prineipleol n,orol obllgaii.iii on Hie pirt of llie i.ii'inberii of yiiiirroiilVieiicn to oli.er»e •ecrei y 10 r''hiiiiiii lo t\r. Alder" roiiimiiiiK'a- liotn wholly rest nn yuiir own o|iiiiiiiii {— imd il any of your breiliren dillVr «v'uli yon in opinion, doiH ii ilierelirc iiiiikB ihcni fiuiliy of a breath of "honor, i liiisilmi b ir- lar, feeling, iind principle"?— My eiideiire h before llir eniimiill.'g and llify can jud^e upon uli.il it reiU.— An I have Raid before thia qiirtlion iixiiiiiii'.i llin eMHirnce nl a dilitrcnce of opinion of nliieli I liiive nn knmvledu'P, nnd ihc exisience ol wliii li I think extiediii ;ly iniprob.ible, I do not therefore del disposed lo p.im iny juil^tnenl on such aiippoii'il cmes. 'J5. Did ynur Conftrenrc send Mr, Fgerton Ityerson to rngbinil to n po'iiito kiiIi ihe itriliah Cuntvienve relative 10 llic Union .' — Tlioy did. .'Hi. Who >vn» n|i;miii'i',l I'.liiorol l.ir f;ii.iidi,in at llin confeieneoof I^.';j, or when llic union wai propincd ? — The !!ev. Mr. Itichardnon. .'I?. Was Mr. ltirhnrd'h irtdfy your eonf.'ienre ?— I'Voin Ihe discussion wliiili took pbii e I wai never b d to e.\|)ect ihiii noy oilier tl'iin tiie inission.iry funds would be avriil dilo lij/ our conferenee. If). Do jnu in^^an lo be ii-ul'T'lood to fmv tlmt lb'' fiind> of tlie ints''loniry pnen'ty wo c to bo ap)ili,-aMe lo llio n«es of lb'.' eonfirenee in lliie Prm nee? — 1 iiml ri-^'piol tiint pnrt of the fuiida of (lie ini.-fioiinry to-i:''y in K i^'nrd winiM bo devoli'd to the relijfiinH and iiiii''fil iinlriirtion of llio lud.- uiis a.id disiiiuio pi'Ulcr? iti tb i« P.oviiice. 41. Ill your reply to qnrslion 30 yen cny "from the dia- "cussioH thai t.i.il: pile- I waa never I'd to expect that "anyolb''r than ili—" of llie missionary finds would b.» " nvaiLiblo by our co'd' reiice"; wlioi and wIito did such d'lviission tali'i place ? — At ihj cor.forcnco at llailowell in 42. At that conference whb tlicre not a dinciiesion about n'lier fundi than tlio missionary tnndg, and what wns the ? 'U'ral umuro of that diseii.-siou ? — A ;;onil doril of convcr- fnti'Jn took place in conference on tlio general financial syg. teni of t!ie \V Oik'Viin eor.ne in !''.:;;.'!:ir.d. but notl'j that converiiation ever Ii d me to expect that wo abould bavo any cliiin on any oilier than the mesion funds, nor do I be. liove that the conference was in nny way iMflucnced by ex- pectations of pecuniary gain in conaummating the union. 8 Evidence to Report on Religious Grants. [No. 108.] 4;l. Was ihn cnnvcrsdtion y(>u alludo to moroly ordinary conversational procecilin^', ordidit take jjaci' inconff'rniico when in regular BDesion, or was it any tiiin;,' IdiO drljute f— It was strictly a convereatiou and to'oli place incoiilcronco in regular ecesion, it was not a U(.!);ito. 41. Is tl;at the t;ineral and regular modo of proceeding in your con(brn.:o .'—It ig, mi scmio point?, sonio aubjucts require Ucsoiutions to be proposed and discussed. 45. Do you suppose or do you know tliat all, many, or V3ry fuwot' tlio ineiubera of y^ur conference enlortiiincd the same opinions ns yourself on the subject of tlio funds of the Uritish conference and the conveisation that took place on the BUlject in thi; conference in (juestiun ?— I cannot suy what the views of othera a.-e. I have given my own in my former replies. ' 46. Did many, all, or very fiw of tha members of the Conference, on the occasion of the circumnances to which allusion is made, expre>'3 ony or no opinions on the subject ? — I cannot say lioiv many spoke on the subject, as I bJheve tbcro ire no documents in existence to which reference can bo had. I beg to dtclino answering any more questions on the subject of that couveraaiion. 47. Do you think that it is not possible for you, without documents to tell Hio Committee what appeared to be the general fei.'ling and understanding of the Conference on that subject .'—I cannot form an opinion of the feelings of others; but as nothing transpired while I wrs present in the Conference to raise such an expect.ition in my mind, 1 cannot conjecture why it should b« supposed th.it other members of the Coufereaco should coine to a different con- elusion. 49. Did you believe that the general character of the conversation in Conference in question was such in your opinion as to leavu no doubt that they could not form any oih« opinion than the one you have come to on the subject otthess funds ?_I cannot reply directly to this questtOD, as my judgenieut is not a guide tor that of others. 49. Might it not be possible therefore that you may be mistaken as to tho expectations of the Conference in re- gard to these funds ?— I have no opinion respectine the exppclaiior.sof Conf.renco on the subject: I have only given ray own views. ' am. Is it your impression that from the nature of the con versation mentioned that the Conference had no ri^ht to expect a particjpdtion i» those f.nda ?— 1 refer to mv fo'. nier replies. •' 51. Were expectations raised in your Conference of a clmmon t ,e fu. ds of the Br.tish Conference or of a dona. tionUom them !— :jo such expectations were raised in my 5-2. flavo you not acted in the capacity of assistant So fhA'^ ! i^""'"*'',"'' ' '^° y°" ""' """k from filling ha office, and your lakiiig u general interest in its afliiirf tha you would be w. II acquainted with any understanding e the Conference whether ou record or not, on this or any others ubjcc , if itwere the matter of converfation be/ore thi rence th"r c~ "'*' "°' ""'^''''S Secretary of tho Confe- 5.3 VVas Air. Ryerson instructed to mike any arrange, nient relative to appropriations from the British Conference .0 yours f-Not to n.y kn,.vvledge, unless the .pp?cpr mion for the mission work bo referred to in the qic-.tion. In extrac Iron the instruction, drawn up for the guidance of J'inU .I'rf. " "",' """k'' '^^'™<=',«""'»"« all that the instrue- ions (i.roct en thesubject. '■Ho slialluse hisbestexertions to obtum as large an omount of pecuniary aid as possible to Indian tribe.? ' '^' *""'"•" "'" ^''''"' P^^P'" """^ ""^ 51. Have you any knowledge of certain grants from Rovernmont to aid the Methodist Curch in this Province, if so, please state what you know concerning them ?-I decline answering that qucslioii in the form in which it is put. 5.5. Was any intimation given to your Conference of the fender ot any grain by government to the Methodists in this .V ; •■'■"'■ ,••"•'■"' '"'* ""'"ft or smco •;— I t&niiut answer churTr '" ' " ''°'* ""' "'■" '" ""y P"f'""'" I 50. Do you not understand tho question as far as it ap. phes toyuur own Confereoccl— I do i;ot understand the question. 57. Have you any knowledge at all or facts which yon can submit to this committee .of Government Gr:inls to your Conference, or if they have received any or whether such (inints have been made and to what purpose have they been applied ?— No Grants from the Goverumeht havo been made to our Conference. 58. Was no report mado to your Conference of the re- ceptiDu of such Giants by the superintendent of Mis- sions.'— I have no reconection of any epnit being made by tho supeiiutondeut of Alissionalo confeiencs on the subject of such Grants, I have understood that such a Grant has been received by the superintendent ofJlissions 00 behalf of tho Wesleyan Missionary Committee in London. 5'J. Aio you awiire of the authority uuder which such Grants hpve been made, whether by the authority of His Majesty's Government or tho Executive Government of this Province?— [ cannot tell by whose authority tho Grants were originally authorised, whether by His Ma- jesty's Government or the Ejiecutivc Government of this Province. C3. Have yoii not seeu the publisheil account of the receipt and expenditure of what is termed the casual and territorial revenuo for the years 18a;} and l&M, in which It is stated by tho Government that tho amounts paid to Messrs. Haslop and Marsden and Mr. Slinson was the amount authorised by His Majesty's Government to be expended in buihling Wesleyan Methodist Chapels in Upper Canada?— I have seen such a statement in the se- venth Report of the Committee ou Grievances; I taunot however rely on the correctness of that statement. 61. If you put no confidence in the seventh Report of the select commute on Grievances, wouhl you do so iu the published account of the Governraeot in the Journals of the House of Assembly ?— Ves I canp ut coutidence in the latter document. 02. Do you admit that tho amounts paid by the Oot- err nentoutofwhat is called the Crown fund, as pub- lished m the Journals of the llousa of Assembly to Messrs. Haslop and Marsden for missionary purposes w:i8 the sum authorised by His Majesty's Government to be expended in building Wesleyan Meihodist Chapels in this Province ?— I have understood from tho Kev Joseph Stinson that on being informed by a communication trom Colonel Rowan that the sum of £550 was placed at the disposal of ihe British Wesleyan Conference and thai It would be paid over on His Excellency being informed to what uses it would be appropriated, he (Mr. Stinson) as the reiweseotative of the British Wesleyan Confer- ence and geueial Superintendent of Wesleyan Missions m this Province, informed His Excellency by letter thai It would be expended in erecting and reparing chapels and schoolhoiises in this Province and in defraying the gen- era, expenses of the Mission stations under his charge. Ihese documents can perhaps be procured at the Got- ernment Office— I do not know out of what fund it was paid — It mi .;lit be Ihe Crown fund. C;). Was the Conference of which you arc a member, ever known by the name of the British Wesleyan Metho- dist Conlereiice ?— It never bore that name, 64. May not your conference have been called the Bri- tish Wesleyan Conference in contradistinction to the Canadian V. esleyan Methodist Conference ?— They have never aekn.iwledged that name, althoug-h it has been ei- ven to them in the Seventh Report of the select commit- tee on Grievances. 65. Was not the Conference of the Wesleyan Metho- dist Churcii in Canada once called the Wesleyan Metho- dist Conference in British North America?— Yts it was It bore rliat name for about a year. ' 66. Was the union between the conference of the Me- thodist Episcopal Church of Canada strictly a n^,!.^^ be- tween that Church and the Wesleyan Methodist Society 01 Great Britain ?— The union was more strictly betweea the Wesleyan Methodist Conference io England and tho Jo. 108.] as far is it ap- undcrslaud tlic acts which you inene Grants to any or whether t [jurposo hnve uverumelit havu enco of the re- Budent of Mis- (lit being made ferencs on the r.d that such a Kilt ufiMi^jsions CuDioiittee ID ler which eiich iilhority of His GovcrtiineDt of authority tho ir by His aia- ioveromeDC of ccouDt of tlie tho casual uuci !t?34, in which nuunts paid to iiison was the eruiiient to be St Chapels in nent iu the se- ices; 1 taunoc tement. nth Report of you do 30 iu n the Journals : coulidence in 1 by the (Jor- fund, as pub- Assembly to purposes was jriimcut to be t Chupels ia 5 Kev Josepit Jimuunication was placed at ence and thai iing informed Mr. Stinson) jyan I'onfer- yan iMissioDS by letter that iriiig chapels lying the gen- his charge, i at the Got- It fund it was re a member, leyan U«the- ilUd the fri- ction to the —They have : has been f;i- ilect commit- eyan Metho- eyan Metho- -Yts it was, e of the Me- ■ a nr,i.->n be- )dist Societj ictly between land and the [108] Evidence to Report on ileligious Grants. 9 Conference of the until tlien Methodist Kpiscsp;il Cliurch I'l Canada, and it ei'eciod a unio;i bjtwoen the •:ni.julies i.i so fa:- as it prevoutuJ ihu fniintio,! or con'miiince of hiicietit.s ii'. lliis I'rovi.ico unt!','r tlii.' p^ .toral circ, ol' ['u H'es!eyaD .'letliodiit Conl'iireiice in iu ighuid, ami pl.iceJ rlui«.e .ilrcnily forin':d uudor lh« pHtoral care of tlio cuii- fu'^ce oT lli^' \Vcs!i;y,ia Moihodiit Chiii'cli in Canada. 1)7. Is not the Wcsleyan .MelhoJist Confcienco in Knj;- lanrt fre'iuently called tho Urillsh Wcsleyan Conference lu distingni ill it from your conference in Canada .' — 1 be- lieve it i-), I have often hi"ard it so designated. C8. Was tiie Britisli Wodlcyaa Motliodist Conft;ronc3 f jnnoriy or ever llie Episcopal Mdtliod;st Ciiurch ! — It ne- ver was. Gl). Was tho Conference of which ore a niomber former- ly tiij Conference of tho Slotliodist Episco,ial Ciiurch ! — It was until October, I'i'M. 70. lias any grant of money from tho Oavornmmt over hf»-,n mado to or rioeived by your Contercnci', !— Nn, thera has iiev;r been any sucli grant of mouey cither olTored to or received by oar Contoronco. 71. Is t'lo union betweun tho MathodLst Church in Cana- da and tlio Wesley in Mjtliodist Sjci ily in Great Britain Buch, that tho numbers of tho ono are to bo roccivad by tao monibers of tho other, when removals taka pUcu troiii tho one country to the other]— Yes, certainly. 7i. In tlio seventh Report of th'j coinmittea on Gric aaoos, th'3ro ar'j two items copied from 'he publio accou.its, bearing the signature of the Roceiver Genera! ; in th.i first oi' which £10M is said to bj charged to Tnjmia Ridout, Ijl^q,, Cashier of the Bmk of Upp;r Canada, to b3 paid to tlie credit of Mossrs. Haslop ana Mjrsd in, for tha ra s- Hionary purposes of the Wesleyan Methodist Society, aid in tho Cher £011 2 2i is said to have bojn paid to the Rev. Joseph Stinson, Ropresontative of the Metnodi^t inis- eiouary society i i Lindon, and Superintend int of Wesley- an missions in Uppjr Canada. Were those gentlemin au- thorised by the co.iferonoo of the Wosleyan Mothodist cliurch in Canada or by tho Missionary conmittee of that church to receivetlia said moneys, or did tney receive them on account of the said church or coiiiinittea in Canad j ? — 'f hoso gentlemon were never authorised either by the con- fjrcnco or the missionary committee of the Wesleyan Mo- tbodist church in Canada to receive those grunts ; nor were they receiv.id on aooount of that church. M'^ssra. Haslopo and Maredjn were joint treasurers of tho Wesleyaa Mis- sioaary Society iu London, at the timo v/lion the first grant of £1,000 was made to that society, on whose aocoa.it it wa ■'ceived and in whose annual report it ia duly aokno.v- ledjf.n ■ it was granted previously to the U.iioa bet-.vaen tha t.. J conferences being projiosod. Tho other sum was rece vod by tha Rov. .Io;eph Stinson as rspreseatiMve of the Met'io 1 St m' isionary pociety, London, as staled by th ; KiJC3iv.;r General in the acoou.its rcforrod to;n thffqint.oo and it is aceounted for in the next aanuil report of tlint f.ncietv. fhe conference of tho WoBloym fllnhodist church in Canada hid nothing to do dire.-itly or iii.!i;»otly iu procuring thos; Grants, nor dooa an mdiv.dj.il of that conftrenca derive the bast beuefit from tliotn. Tn I idians and destitute scttbmsnts are aloas bonofi!.id by tha I. bora. Illy of His M:ij-'s;y's Government. I beg leave here to subjoin tho followia? extract from llie Report of the Wesleyaa Methodist Missionary So ciety (London) for the yearcading April, 1.^14. " In consetiuence of the numerous openings I'or useful " exertion in Upper Caaada, six FiOglish Miisiona- •' ries areahoutto proceed thither — Tlioy will prosecaio '■ their libors under tho p:itrona.;e of this society a:il un- " der the genoral direction of its committee, an I of its " represeitative in Ujipcr Canada; but ia fraternal and " eccl'jsiastical iiaio i. also, with the Couforoace of " that I'rovince of which th ?y arc lo bo coniiderod as re- " gular inomhors. In addition to such help as it in ly ho " deeuiod expodient that they should afford to t'lo sup- " ii.ort and exie ii5'ion of the Misriioai a-iuu^ tlio i.iJian " tribes, they w.d bo specially employed in m niiterin^ "evangelical instruc'ion, and in pro.njtin^ soiiptural " education am mj the s'-Uin in, tlie iivo t.rg.x'j'iips of " that rapidly iacreajiiijj terr tory.— il.s Cscjllsucy the c '• Lieutenant Governor of tho Province, with an anxiety " for tho IU iral and religious improvemciit of the people " 1)1 ICO i 11.1 lor hi-i care; hii;hly honorable to a Christian " lulor, and witli a klndno.;s nf' spirit and minner which " claims tlie must gniel'iil ackni)wlcil.;einonls()f tho coin- " niitlee, ii n ini.le th'; liberal giantof £;i,00 to this so- '• ctLtij m aid uf its expenditure, during the present year, " fur the purpose and objects above specified." 73. Is the union of the Wesleyan Methodist Church wit, the Wes!"van .Molhodist .Society -if Great ISritain, a union 10 ever) respect constitutins them one church? — They are not one Church in every respect — they aro the same in tlie duelrines which they hold and inculcate — hi tho general rules of the societies under their care — and vitniraUij in the great features of their internal economy, and modes of operation; dilf -ring i.i the latter respects, h(Hvev;;r, according lo the diii'erent circumstances of tho two countries. 10 icli however retains a distinct and pro- per independency, — neitlior conference having any right to I exercise disciplinary contr.il or ecclesiastical jurisdict ion over the socielies of the other, nor having any claim upon the funds or property of the other, excepting a portion of ! tho Missionary funds as provided for in tho articles of union. — Tlie uniou has been elfected on such principles 1 not at all to effect the identity of either body. The osleyan Conference iu Eaglan 1 is still regarded as the ijoly enrolled iu chancery by Mr. Wesley in his deed-poll ; and the Conference of the Wesleyan Methodist Church in C.inida IS tha same identical body formerly designated al successive periods, the Canada Conference of the Metho- dist Episcopal Cliurch in America,— the Conference of tha Methodist Episcopal Church in Canada,— and the the Conference of the Wesleyaa Methodist Church in British North America.— .Tin changes which have taken taken place from timo to timo in its naiio, .'orni of govcrt>- mant, and economy, have been elfected ia a raiuner autho- rised by its discipline." 74. To whom is tha Rev. Joseph Stinson accoantable for the monies which h3 receives for missionary purpo- ses ?—Oaly to the Missionary Com:nittee in LoudoHiwhoru he represents in this I'rovinee. 7.}. Aro they one church in their matnal privileges and liahilities ? — I do not uodorstaaJ the q ijstion. 70. If the Wesleyan Methodist Society or connexion in Gie.it Britain approves of Government Grauls being mida to thoir body eithor hero or elsewhere — and the Wesleyaa MothoJist Church in Canada does not disaii- proveof the principle, they being io unison, as a church with th'i Wesley an .Msthidist Cooference, aro they (tl>o f irmor) accountable for it ! — Meifher society is accounta- ble for tho cunduet of the other. 77. Ilive any of th) Miaisters of tho Courorenc; of which yuu area niioibor at a.oy tin; dorivoo a.iy ollicial pension from th; public ro;euue rai.sj.l witiiin this Pro- vince, as stated in tho Soventb Report of tho Committee on Grievancesi — Icaa eay poiitivcly with relerence hi myself, that I have never receiyc.l .'ny .such pension, nor do I believe that any of tho tiiioiito.'S of flm Conlerenc* to whicli I am connected h ivj dono so ;— ill assertions tii tho contrary, from whatever i|u irter, are without any foundation in truth. 7S, You s ly that no individual member of yourConforencc derives th'O li;a.usapport fro :i the liberality otTIis Majesty's Gov'inont? — Are Messrs. H.dlon i^ iilossmo.'e not members oryourconfere:ice,iifsohove thoy not received monies oul of the funils, you designate the liberality of llis Majesty's Govern.nont f— I am not aware thj* either Mr. Bolton or Ml'. SI'S3m)re ever received aay grants from the Gavorn- ment. — Whilst labormg as in ssiouaries they derive their suiiporli.'ntirely from tho fun Is of the Wesleyan Mission- ary Commi'.teo in Lonlo.i. I am further of opinion, that when those gentlemen were appointed to the mission work Ihoy h.'.d no kaiJ.vlsdJO of any grant-, haring hsen !t!ad» to the Missionary Committee in London. 7:d. Who a,)i)ointed them to tho mission work ?— The Couforenco of tho Wesleyan Methodist Church in Canada, 80. Djce the Caafarene j pay a ly Pieacher ?— Mj. 10 Evidence to Rejiort on Rcli^^mus Grants, [r'o. ?08.] 81. ll.ivt! Jim or iiny of tlip Cli'rpy ol' iIih iMc(IpMi:i t Churcli uf wliiuli yoii nrc a tiiptnber leciivnl nt niiv iiirri! nny ;;i(ls saliiriiM, iicnsion?, '111(1 retired iillmv.incrs umii the (iovcniiii.'rit .'— I can say iKiPnivcly with rfrcrciici! lo myself, tliar I have never receivcil any gilt, salarv, pen- sirin, or ret (cil allmvancc from the (Jovcrnmciil, inr do i (jelieve ihat aiyof tim Riiiiislors williwlioin I stand eon- tieeted liavi; dune eo as Ministers. — The 7tli lirport of tliw Select CoiiiiMittrc on (irievaiiccs containB on this siihjcet n palpable untruth; the tendency (,f which, if any credit were attached to it by llie pious and moral |iortii>n of com- munity, would b" to injure the reputation of the ftletho- dist Ministry, and nii^'ht liavc a most painful cllect upon the temporal coinfoit of the retired or fuj)i laiuiatcd jireachcrs who receive no retired allowance from the (Jov- ernmeut,— but are sujiported hy the voluntary contribu- tions of the people. 82. Does the Conforenco receive any Preachers from Iho nritish Conference in England, if in full cnunexiou, into full connexion iu your conference ? — Any preacher who is in full connexion in the Uritish conference on re- moving into this country to labor as a minister would be received info full connexion in our conference. 8.'3. From what source do such of the ministers of your church as are employed on missions receive their saln.-ies ?— Entirely from the funds of the WesIeyanMis- siouary society in London. 81. Do any of them receive an income from thoir con- gregation in addition to the salary received from the mis- sionary committee?— None of them receive any such thmg.— All tontriliulions raised by the people under their care arc accounted for to the missionary society. 8,'). Do any of them receive any additional salary in C'insequcnce of the grants made hy the Government to the missionary committee in London?— I have before sta- ted that they are not at all benefitteil by those grants, it is a (ixed principle in the operations of the missionary com- mitter, by whom they are paid, to pay the full discipllna^ ry allowance to all their missionaries, and none of them can receive any additional salary. 8i). Is there not a committee appointed at each Scs- .■^imi ol the Conference to which you belong for the pui- po>e of apportioning the moueys, granted for Ulissioni'ry imrposes by the Missionary Committee in London .'— • 1 here is in accordance with the regulation in the articles ot Lnion between the English and Canada conferences as lullows : " The parent committee in London shall de- tertnine the amount to be applied annually to the support tind e.- -1. Are iMissioinries not considered either Miuisters or Preachers .'— Yes, certainly. ^ 81). \VIjo directs the movements of the Wesleyan mis- sions 1!! . ;pp!-r (.;i;-,m!,? — '['jjj, niissioiiarics are staiioued hy the (.aiiada conference in the same way as the other |»reacli«rs; wiUj this proviso however that the general su- poniiic^rn.ent ol inisbions simll be associated with the Proii.ltut and ihaiimej of district!, in their aiipointmeut. --'I'liis arran.ieineni is made because it is thought proper that the mi.-'.ioLary coinmiitee in London who arc repto- yiiiUA by the supennicndi nt (,f missions licre. should have a voice in the appointment id the missionaries to their work ; seeing that they receive from that committee &,'■ whole of their s.dary. t-9. Did your coiif.renco institute an enquiry respccllna governiuciit grants as to their de.iign, application,&c. altei It wa.s known that they had I oen received by your Presidcnl or .Soporiiitendent of missions!— There could be no mv ces-ity lor instituting such an incpiiry as the parent socU pty alone is accountable for the receipts 6l, disbursements of such money. !K). VV'iis no motion made or proceedings had in confe- rence relative to said grants ?— I believe there was a mo- tion made on the subject. What were they and their results ?— I do not recollect what the motion was, but it was discussed and lost. 'M. Do you recollect the principle upon which the mo- tion was lost ?— I recollect that I opposed it upon the principle that the parent society was not accountable to ns. 'j;i. Arc you not accoutable for the principle of those grants although you are a branch or iu union with the parent toeiety ?— 1 conceive that the parent society is alone accountable for its proceedings. iM Do you not hold yourselves "as a church at all ac- countable for any of the acts and principles of the parent society ?— I know of no acts or principles of the parent society for which we are accounta;^ ,. 95. Would you not be accountable or would you not feel yourselves accountable for any errors of doctrine, or any other erroneous prineiplesof the paientsociety !— Ido notconsider that we should be accountable for any errors in doctrine or practice on the part of the parent society, as w. have no disciplinary control over its proceedings. 00 If the Parent Society were entirely to depart frtim the principles and prac'icesof Wesleyan Methodism would you not, while you remain in union with them, bo accounfc. able for such departure, unless you, in eonie way, avowed your dissent to such a proceeding ; and would you not be looked upon in common with the Parent Society as no loo- ger Wesleyan Methodists 1 Were the I'arcnt Society to departfrom any of the principles and practices of Weelev- an Mehtodism it would no longer exist as a Weslean Mo- thodist Society, as the very existence of the AVesleyan Methodist connexion depends upon its adherence lo the principles of the doep-poll enrolled in Chancery by Mi. Wesley; and as our connexion with the Wesleyan connr.t. ion in England depends upon our mutual adherence to the same principles, the connexion could no longer exist tn the case supposed and we might still remain Wesleyan Metho. dist.=, and not be at all accountable lor the errors of the Parent Society. 97. How came those grants to ho made to the Mission, ary tooci ny, when Mr. Secretary Rowan advised the Ca- nadiaii Wesleyan conference that the sums of £OUl) fterlinii in lySa, and the sum of 55{W. in 18,'M was at the sorvice of that conterenco to be applied in crectiag churches and cha- pels? The 600/. etorling referred to in the question was granted to the conference of the Canadian Weilcmn Church, sometimes known as " Ry-itcs," not to the coiitbreiico of the Wcoleyan MeMiodist C, urch in Canada, of which lam a nienibcr. The 550/. in lS;i4 was granted to the BrithU Wesleyan ConhTcnce, and it i.ssaid, perhap.o, to have been granted to the Wesleyan Missionary Society, because the couimitlee ot the society has the control and expenditura "t . ' ",' "^ contributed from any quarter for the support of Wesleyan Missions. 9S. Do the articles of anion between yoitr conference and the larent Society contain any provision that will retk- der that union null, if any occurrence, such as is before meni toned (in question 00,) should take place ? The arti. cles of union contain no such provision. It would, indeed, be altogether uselo.-s, because, as I remarked before, by such an occurrence the Parent fc'ocietv would nenso topviot, 9t), If the Missionaries are pa'id by the Parent Society, what IB done with the monies collected by your Auxiliary Societies in the Province for Missionary purposes ? In ao- corcaiice with one of the articles cf union, all tl,e monies raised by the Methodist Missionary Society iu Upper Cik. [No. lOS.] Evider - to Report on Religious Grants. 11 nnda are piiiu iiilo tlio funds of tho Parout Sociuty, or ac- cumi'.cd lot tu tlial iSuciuty. Wednesday, 30th Marco, 1630. Committee mot. Tho Ksv. Mb. RICHARDSON called in and examined. 100. Aroymi a member of the Methodist Confuioncc in this I'rovmct, funnorly known as tho ConCerence of the Methodist Ep scopal Church in Canada ? — I am. 1(H. By what title is Baid Conference now distinmiished ? — The Conftrenco of the VVesleyan Metliod.at Cliurch in | Canada. 1U2. How lonij has the church to which you bolont; had ttio title of the Wesloyan Melhodiat Cliiircli in Cnimda ? — Since lHa4 — It was one year previous, called the Wesleyan Mcthodibl Church in British North America. 103. Is tliiit since the union with the British Conference ? Siiico tho union. 1(14. Is tlicre another body of Methodists in the Prov- ince called Wesloyan Methodists ? — There is another body colled Canadian Weeleyan Methodists. 10.5. If the Methodist Conference of Groat Britain had ! Societies in tliie Province would they not bo denominated, Weslcyan Mctlii dist Society?—! suppose tlif.y would. 100. Are there any such societies in the Province? — No; Dot d stinct from ours that I know of. 107. Would It be considered right by your Confcronce if the Weslcyan Methodist Conference in Great Britain were to establish such eocieties in this Piovince ?— Cer- tainly iJOt. 108. Are not the preachers and members of your charch potnetimcs called liritishWeslcyAns in distinction from tlie Canadian Wcsleyans? — 1 have heard them spoken of as such in private convereatioD, but Uicy are not officially known as such. lOD. Do the church to which yon belong and the Wes- loyan Methodist Conference in England form but one body, or are they two d.stinct churches ? — Tliev may be said to form one body in some respecte, but in others they are distinct. 110. In what does that distinction consist? — It consists first, in respect to the powers of the Conftrinccs, the rules or regulations made by one Conference aro not binding on the other — and secondly, some difference in the internal economy of each ; also in the title by which they ue distinguished. 111. In what docs the union between the two bodies con- slat t — A union in doctrine — in the conditions of member- diip, or general rules — in church fellowship or communion^ one church receiving and recognizing the members of the other as brothers reciprocally. 113. Is a member of your Conference a member of the British Conference by virtue of his being a Member of the former ? — No ; \vli<;n we speak of Members of Conference we speak of Preachers. 113. Is a Member of the British Conference in full con- ncxiou received by your Conference into full connexion, or is it considered a privilege on the part of your Conference to reject or receive such Members ? — All Preachers pre- sented for reception into our conference are admitted by vote, and if received, they are m the same standing as in the conference they came from. 114. Would you consider it a privilege of your con- ference if a uicinber of the Weslcyan Methodiet confer- ence in Great Britain in good standing presented himaelt for admission ii.to your conference to reject him ? — As I have already said, they admit them by vote, — it is, of course, the privilege of conference to admit them or not. 115. If a member of the Weeleyan Methodist conference in Great Britain, on the superannuated relation of that con- ference, in good standing, should apply for admission into your conference, is it the privilege of your contcrenco to riject such an one's application for admission into the same ? — I think that it is ; but they would have some parti- tutrti tcapuiia i-ji (t. 110. Would you be good enough to state thc.t r ■• ions? I cannot state reasons for otherF, there are no specific rules laid down — the leatons would ariie out of the circum- slAncea of the case. 117. Would it bo any broach of the articles of union if a majority of your conlureiicu should voto against such m application?— I think not, but unlcsa thoce were spi.-cial weighty reasons for it puch rejection might occasion a breuch of good iiiidi-rstaiidiiig, lis. Then is it understood that tlin rejection of a mem- ber of the Weslcyan conference in Groat Britnm, in good standing, applying fur admission into your conference, da- pcnds merely on the vote of your conterenco ?— As I have slated formerly, that his reception depended upon the votu of the conference, and :t that vote waa not given ho would not be admitted— there may be reasons arising' from circum- stances of the case that would cause his rejection. 119. Will a member of the Weslcyan Methodist confer- ence in Great Britain, in good standing, of conBeid tho Mclhodipt church tliiifgcrvinfraHcdilor, or to thit cfll'ot ; bii: on tlm nvo of ] from commiinicatinin froin the election of KilitDr he o"'t;rrd bcivo ns f,'ii.h for the OD.suiiig 5'eor, provided Ihey cho.sf to I'h'il. h:in. i;!(). If Mr. l{y( rsoii had been ro-appjintci! Kditor thit jrror, hoiv would hia place Imvo hern i.u]i]i!icd iluriiig h-« nbscncB to Knj^land ?— 1 cannot suy liow his placo would have boon Bupphed ; but ho proposed n uubstitute, during Ina absence, in case ho was elected. 131. Who was flic Kubstitiilc ? — Ho snid thoro was a young gentleman that Mr. Alder proposed to him as sub- Btjlute, hut I do not know that ho mentioned his name, 132. Uid you undoretand from Mr. Alder that the Christian Guardian was to change its political character in the sense of advocating in future a contrary system of politics to that it had previously advocated, or was it in tended that it should not interlere in politics at all .' I cannot say that there W'as any thing specific in relation to advocating another system of politics — and 'it was my jrupression it was tobodn od of its political character. 133. Do you believe the t.nristian Guardian advocates the same system of politics now it did before the Uuiou ?— I tliink not. 134. Uid Mr. Alder say that it was contrary to the spir- it and practice of Westeyan Methodism to take any part in the party politics of the day 7— Such remark might have been made by him, but 1 am not prepared to say positively, that ho did. 135. During the discussion oftho nnion question were expectations raised on the part of the members of your CDnference to share in the funds of the British connexion Should the union be effected? — I think expectations wore raised in some to share in certain funds of the Britiah con- nexion. 130. Was there a motion mado and put from the chair that you should share in the funds of the British coiiier. ^co ! — Such a motion could not bo made— it was imprac- ticable. 137. What were the grounds of these expectations ? — The first mention made oftho union was in the meeting ol'the missionary board in which Mr. J. Rycrson stated that ho had an interview with Messrs. Alder and Hick in which they gave him to understand that should a union take place similar to that existing between the English and Irish conferences we would probably have a grunt of their contingent fund, as thoy wore in the practice of granting out of that fund to the Irish conference to supply the de- ficiencies of poor circuits, and again frequent mention was made by Mr Alder during the discussion of the question in conforcni:- , of the prospect of such o grant : — ho gave a btatomcnt orti.e diftl^rcnt fumls, and of the financial fvs- tom oftho IJritish co:ifercncc, and shiiwed that as the con- tingent fund wa^ for supplying the deficiencies of poor cir- cuits, wc might expect sornolhing fr^m if, or to that cfTuct: eevcral rciuar''.3 v/ero mado by mombersofcuufcronce re- lative to b.ich a grant. 13?. Were those cxpoctations realised !— Not that I know o!'. 139. Was Mr. Rycrson instructed to make any arrangt- tiient relative to eppropriations of niouoy from tho British cQiifererce to yours .' — He was. MO. What was the pui'i'ort of hi.i instructions on this ptTii;l ! — I am not prejiiured (o say wiiat lilt; instructionB jircciscly were, but 1 will ftnte the t-ubstanco cf tho pro- ceedings relative to thonj : — it was proposed that he sho'd bo instructed to Msure tUv British conference that whate- ver monies taoy might ajipropriate to tho work in Canaiii rfioulJ be hilnclly and fnithfully applied to tho particular object specified lor them.— It was moved in ainondmeiit to the cfTocI, that he thoiill be instructed to Rs.'iuro them that whatever moiiiej they miglit thin'.; proper to appro- priatc to tlio Cunr.dian coufereaco v,-oiild be fiiiti.P.illy np. plied to such objects OS (ho Cinadiiin ci)nf;>,;ncc might think proper ; which amendment was cariiod — I hero were Dome alteration mado aflerwardj ralalivo to that part but 1 atn not ^re^ared to tiv v.'hut it w?.^. 141. Have you any knowledge of tho receipt of certain grants from government to aid tho Methodist church iuthis jirovinco— if so please elate what you know concerning tlicui 1— Tuo first knowladgo I obta'ued of any ffrnrit being in this province wori -Vr. Birry, Woslovnn M)«- siciiary, in tho Courier: I licard no inor.) nf ar,y tUc'irruiiT. until alVor tl.o clos j oftho pcwiori ot conference in 18.(3, J then undcrst(!od that Mr. Marsden h d reccved X9(H» ctv.t. ling as Trennurorof tho We.-,leyan Ali,,-!,ioniary coui;;i;tfe6, London, and that the same was put into tho Missionary fund tor the purpose of luding tho niissiun work in thfe province ;— m I'jy 1 a note came into my hands addret.^ed '•IheWcsloyan Methodist Conference" from tho Lieut. Governor's office, enclosed to me, stating that" tho Lioul- " Govonior has boon authorised to place at the dispossH " tlus year, of the Britifih Wcslcyan conference tho sum o» "X.JoO, to bo applied in orectiiig such churches or clmp- " els ns may bo required, and to inform you that on voirr "stating tho manner in which the grant is to bo applied, » Ills Excellency will order the amount to be placed at '^your disposal"— m tho course of tho day tho Rev. Tfr. btinson called at my house and asked for such a rote, ; id said it was intended to be sent to him ;— I gave it to h.m, and know no more of the circumstances than whul is beforo tho public. 142. Was any intimation given to your Conference of the tender of any grant by (Joverumcnt to the Metho- dists in this Province either befoie tiie union or since J There was nothing coniniunicated to our conference be- fore the union, and nothing oiricially since— that I knoiv of. 143. Was no report made to your conference of th« reception of such grants by the superintendent of the missions ? None that I know of. 144. Did your confcienee institute any inquiry respec*- ing said grants as to their design, application, &c. after it was known they had been received ? Not any. 14,1. Was no motion made, or proceedings had in coo- ference relative to snid grants ? There was, 140. What were they and tlieir results ? There was a motion made in form of a rosohition in conference hi lS34,and also in 163.5, to Lave the conference declare its opinion relative to tiio propriety of supporting religious institutions and ministers of religion by grants from th« public funds, and to disavow any participation in any snch grants except for the Missionary work, or to that elfcc^ which was lost : There were proceedings also at the conference in 1835, in consequence of addresses froni two quarterly meetings— the result of which is published in the minutes of Conference. 147. Who moved the resolution or motion for a deehi- ration of opinion in your Conference on the subiecl ' ( did. ■" 1 J'!. Have any of your societies addressed the Con^r- eneo on the subject of the .^nuisfroniGoverninent '. The only addresses the Conference received were from tfiB two i|uarterly meetings already mentioned— one of which was from Yougc Street circuit and the other from Brotlt- vdle. 149. Have not tho members of your church rxpies vj their opinion directly to tho Conference without the in- tervention of a quarterly or other oliicial meeting'! They have not, and I believe it would be against a rule of Con- ference to do so. IdU. \V'ho compose your oflicial meetiui^H? There are srvcriil otttial meetinaa, as quarterly meetings. Ijcal preachers' nieclings, and stjwardu and lradcr3'\iKeiiiiji.s — tho (|uartfrly meetings a'c conipo.scd of the tr.ivelling and local preachers, stewards, class-loaders, and exhort- ei>: with the chnirniau of the district— the local preac!>- crs' nie.Ming is a mectinE; of the local preachers with jire superintcniiciK nf the circuit — the leaders i.iccting is a meeting of the leaders and stewards with the S'lpovintcii- dent. lol. Who presides at those meeting's? Th" chair- rrnn of ilif district at the quarterly metiint,', and the su- periniendcnt of the circuit or station at the otiier nieev lo^. Cm no other than a preacher a; pointed by tho conference preside at those official iiicetin^;s ? No other. 153. V.'hat if the chairman refuse to put a motion, cannot his phice be s'Jpplied by the meeting oppoiotin^^- o. :!08.] [No. 108] Evidence to Report oil Religious Grants. 13 priivinco wafl i''c«loyiin MiB- any tuchrraiif. MICU ill ISXi, i vfJ £901) etfif. iry coui;;i;t/ijt>, lio Missionary I worlt in thm iiida mldrcEaed oin tlio Lieut* M" Iho liioul. t the disposiK ncc tlio sum oJ relies or cliap- 1 tliat on y our to bo applied, bi; plac(?J at tho Ruv. :h. ch a note, ; ,vl jave it to him, timn viUat is Conference of llie Metho- lion or since 1 ioiilbrcnce b»- —that I linow jrcncB of ihtt indent of the quiry respect^ )n, &c. after any. ;s had in coi>- Thrre was a :onference h> e deolaie its ting religious nts from tha n in any snr.h that clFnco, 1 also at the Iresses from is published I for a dcchj- e sulijcct ; ( I the Con ^r- iiiient ? Tile ro from ffis one of which from Broell- :h cx|ives lOil liout tbc iu- -■iniR? They :ule of (,'oi>- ' There art linp.-.. Ijcai rs' mce.inj^s le tt.ivelliiig ind exhort- )(:al iire;ic!>- ers with jfw lectins ia a sijpcrintcii- Th" chair- aiid tho su- utluT lilec^ JtcJ liy tho No other, a nnotiun, eppoiotinj anotbftr for that purpoie, or haa the meetiag no meant of redress in snch caie? His place eaciiot be lup- plied— a^iooQ as be leaves tbe chair or ir removed from ie, the meeting is dissolved. 154. Had you such rules respecting those meetiogs be- fore the uDioD or have they been iatroauced since } They bave been iotroduced since. 155. Mr. Alder stated, in reply to to the question pro- posed to him by tiie committee of the House of Com- mons in 1828 on the civil government of the Canadas whether there were any Methodists in the Legislative or Executive Council — "I do not know, I should wish to state that we consider ourselves as a branch of the church of England bothat home and abroad"— from which it is to be inferred he considers the VVesleyan Methodists both here and at home members of the church of England- are therefore the members of your church, considered, since the union, members of the Church of England ?— Whatever Mr. Alder's opinion may be it is not mine that the members of the Methsdist church in this Province are members of the church of England. 15*3. Do you consider the conference to which you be- long as an ecclesiastical establishment? In one sense, in common with all other churches, it is, but it cannot be said to be legally so. I consider a legal church establish- ment to be one organized by the law of the land, and pro- vision made by the same for its support. 157. Was it out urged on your conference to abolish Episcopacy because that form of church government was not proper for Methodists in a British colony, as it inter- fered with the establishment of the church of England ? There was some remaks made to that effect in the course of the discussion. 158. Who made these remarks and where were they made? They were made in the conference, when the question for abolishing Episcopacy was under discussion ; they ware made by Mr. Alder in reply to my lematks on observations made by Mr. E. Ryerson. 159. Was it not stated in connexion with those remarks, that those were Rlr. Wesley's views ? — When we were in discussion on the question of abolishing Episcopacy, Mr. Ryerson observed, that Mr. Wesley gave the Episcopal form of church government to the Methodists in the Uni- ted States, because they were separated from the politieal institutions of the Mother Couotiy— I remarked in reply that that was not his only reason, but that they were not only separated from the Mother Country politically, but from the hierarchy of the Church of England ; and there- fore be invaded no man's right in establishing Episcopacy in that country ; and that the same reasons applied to this Province in favor of Methodist Episcopacy ; unless it were admitted by the church, which I did not suppose it was, that the church of England was established in this Pro- vince.— Mr. Alder then remarked, that this being a Bri- tish colony the British Constitution was established here and that the established church of England was a part of that Constitution ; and he added such were Mr. Wesley's views, or to that effect. lt>0. Were there no objections made on the part of your preachers to the position that 'he church of England was established in the Province 1-1 made objections myself and I think others did. 161. Does your conference share in the mission funds •f the English conference ? — The misf ions in this Pro- vince connected with our conference are supported by the fundf of the VVesleyan Methodist Missionary Society in England, whoso missions they are. 162. Have you heard any of the members of your con- ference assert that the Church of England is the eslabhsh- ed Church of this Province?— I have not, 163. Do you think it is the general opinion in your con- ference that the Church of England is not established in this Province ?— I think it is. l&l. Has your church any other tnisaion Btalions iti ihc Province than those among the Indians ? — They have a few. 165. Will you please to name what stations or circuits they are 1— The past year the Isle of Tonti mission, Sidney mission, Cavan mission. Clarendon mission, Brock mission ; the four last were missions in part because of destitute set- tlements in the vicinity of those places.— The present year, the Isle of Tonti and Guelph. 166. Were not the Sidney aud Brock missions formerly included in regular circuits !— There were regular circuitt called Sidney and Brock circuits, and there are now, but my former answer explains why they were reported as miasiont in part — owing to the new and destitute settlements in the vicinity. 167. Did you form missions elsewhere than among tha Indians before the union ? — Yes, occasionally. 168. Are you aware that £300 are charged in tho Wes- leyan Methodist Society's Report of Great Brit«in for aid to poor circuits out of the Missionary fhnds .'—I am not aware of it, as I have not looked over the Report to mforin myself. 169. Are not some of the regular circuits aided occa- sionally from the mission funds? — I am net aware that they are, except in the cases before-mentioned of part missions. 170. By whom are your mission stations formed and mis- sionaries appointed thereto ? — They are formed since the union by a committee of the conference, consisting of the President, General Superintendent of the mission, the Chair- men of the districts, and seven other persons appointed by the Canadian conference, together with a standing board or committee consisting of preachers and laymen to act in the 'nterim of conference. 171. Are all these persons necessarily members of your conference, excepting such as compose tho laymen of the Missionary Board?— It is understood, tho' not expressed in the resulations. 172. By what means arc yonr preachers supported on the circuits? — Ouall the circuit's that are not on the missionary plan, they are supported by the voluntary contributions of the society and friends of the church. 173. Is it in tho power of the conference to put any of the circuits or stations on the missionary plan, and providi; for the same accordingly ! — I think that if the mission- ary committee at the coiifjrence, mentioned before, toge- ther with the stationing committee of conference, and tho parent committee in England concur, any ol t!io circuits or stations can be put on the missionary plan accordingly. 174. Are the missionaries of the mission stations, and such us are connected witli your conference memberj of tho same — do they sit and vote on all (luestions introduced and decided there? — Al! members of tho conference iii attendaace have a right to sit and vote, missionaries not excepted. 175. Is the right of petitioning to your conference ex- cluded from the members, except thro' the otHcial bodied mentioned in answer to questions 148 and 149 ' — 1 refer to my answer to the questions mentioned. 176. What were the stipulations and particulars re- specting Camp Meetings and Local Prcachens mentioned by Mr. Alder at the conference of 1832, and alluded to in your answer to question 120 ? — In relation to Camp Meetings, thai they should be laid aside ; and in respect to Local Preachers, that they should bo similar to thodo m England. 177. Was tho political conduct of your preachers or members talked over in the conversation with Mr. Alder at the conference of 1933, while mentioning the condi- tions on which the British conference would be likely to accede to the imion? — I do not recollect any thing to that cfTect. 178. Was there a committee appointed by the conference in Hallowell to take into consideration the subject of th o union ? — There was. 179. Were you a member of that committee 1—1 was. 180. Was Mr. Evans a member of that committee ! — I think not. 181. Would you not have had an opportunity of know- ing more of Mr. Alder's views on the subject of the union than he (M. Evonf) would ; he nut being a member of thac committee? — Being on the committee I probably had a bet- ter opportuaity of knowing Mr. Alder's views than Mr. E. bad ; but 1 think I knew no more of them than he did, as I did not ascertain his views until they were disclosed in open conference. 14 Evidence to Report on Relijtious Grants. [i\o. 108.] hcn^ing and mucli uneasinesg on lh« .nbjpct. ^ ComLa' /C'.'nf u'^ ^ir" ''" "' -'•I dissatisfied if t'.e W.I ?;:!^^/:;^!^;:2;f :;;^^^; S-eraiiy they woJd b^ tor ■■;,>' or ever tha'p ni'''"' r^'?}' ^"""^'^' '=°"f'-^"C'= fwt I Lwot' Episcopal Methodist church ?_.\ot conai clS 'Ives "'^ '°""^^°"'^*= °*"">'-- '^J«'"'«i..t Ep,s. boon ,n« :\o"^of roivLrr^y *■""" '•>« S'-^'^'nment evor otn,oUi"^.aVtJbn??hn„ r^' y°"f """ference?-! know a former an!»^f ^""° ^ '"'^'' mentioned contained in yourcoSn?o-w','''n,^?"'f y?" '?'"''°''«'' ""de to .^^;Uo^r^!^i:i^=;-„^--^^^ for the ltmc°Mt ,"'^" •^°?P'' ^•■*"^°" accountable Lo^.to,,. ° treasurer of the parent socteiv in tro ni?n .n„ ""T"' '"P"'- ('H'fi'romcnlionrd) receive bor but m^.T""'"' "" ""'"^ P"''' <"• '"oirfi. d of a- missionary com, "tco in Lomlnn^ " ''"".'^ '°u'='"''"'' '^'- wh.ch they Sim also monrf^bitlT"' '" "^'r"'""^ ^^ on the n„ss,onarv uorkH k,,o\v n/ „'''''''°'' "^ ='"^'"'f to control the miss.pnary cLl:^," ^-^^ Tn ""^ '^^^ sourlTe/trt' to te S"c'<;:e?r'"' "t'^ '"' °'" ■^''^ on your missionary wo rt_T.Pv,h„'"''' "'""' '" ''^■f"''"' parent society in fro!^lh.o1rfundV~"r''' ".'""y °f "'«"' '^ho arc paid do tliPvmlol „.?*'"'"' members of your conferenco, and as other ^00'^ ' "' "§'" '" "°^° "^ "i' 'i^'^^^io'^* coSnlSj^]^:;;^^':^!?'-^'"^- of the British niiM.onanes so!o v i'.W .7 °[ "'« Pff-^cners employed as RIetlinrb-t rvnf- y ''^' '''® tlirection of the Weslevan w!^i!;yi::'i«i:!;i:<::i;:rs;;:^:;;;^''j^^ -„i-o„don. or the or remove any mi--sionarvTr,m t, England, appomt to n>ch miss-onarUc am nfb rof viur?n"r' ""^ "'V'!^ British con'irenco at ^n n.fi ; J *^°"'^'''^"" "'"^ "'^ ccpt tho^enernl super ncSderof'r' '""'^■-^'°"° -^- d rectiva'imint.,1 , '"-'^■'"'^'«'<"" of the missions, can be m^o4^'~;,^ -S:;!^- h.«tat,o^ by the 'r'lideiit of m,>s;ons is -^ ntmK r " P^i'""' "iUP""!- thc British cirR.rcnce SlTe" °^ °"' '=°"'^^'^"'='' """^ "^ aled «,tT Z ^ H ^" ''"'"°"' J^ he not merely associ- ^^n^uZ"unr/^T'i "-y [h= confere'nce and ..on,,rU ,,.,L:°"r,"f.'5^''_'',y y"'"-. d'sctplme to appoint m,s fMonaricetoiiio.ee siationsV mTi ""7,''""'« ^° ''I'pomt mis- vacancips ihic l,„, r ! ,° ''"^ "'^ POwer of supply in.' con.nm"e fcon c. ebutToZ^'";' "^ ""^ ^'"'''""^ ion n ."^"""""Pott'i-'r to appomt others. -From the wE . '/pi ^■"'?' •''='"''^ """'^ ^'^'"''^- ' ir,r 71 ' j-\^" ■''*"'0^i-''t missionaiy funds. 6re,at,z:;;'^,;:^t^^;;r?h^'::,^^-- 1^- ^if rcon. eionary committee 1— All ^^ ^ received from the mis- comue'd forToth^trea^.! e,7o?thl'^,rr''""'^-'^ addition to^he'allowance frotljr^'i:? ^'°^'^'' ^"""'"""ff *" I'eis a married man, the aD^rnn,,'°""r''"''"'"«o as .n. only « ,„«,« ^aaftrnr^'-^te ^^^^^^^^^^ ''fja Art. n„. .k :n""-"i iiiu imssionaiy work. shall bo regarded assnch under Vonln *''",' ''y "'"' '^^y ed in the act of agreemen" '" '^g"''"'"''^ ^Pccifi- the%'ar?n°trci:?r?orti;S'"surorT7f ""'^^ ^"""^ ^-'" point of viewUiJ'-a^y^S'tS^^'i;^^;:- eoi^ttlVln Kn7o?t t^ulj^r^^f-tr" ^^''^^'^""'^ peri-tendent of miS ^''^ ''"°"='' "'^ ^•-•°«^''' S"" pai??_He'?r.S'to°,l,:' w'"?"'"'^"-'''"'' "n" by whon, JlcMnLSfl-Lllleranr^p^ryS- p«f"Iiu^ttarraVdtdt^^:u^hrr ri' -^^'^ intendant of Missions" -A, I "'«, ""thority of tho super- Comminee of ou^Conf™ dff"' '"''"■\"'° »l*^^'°"«y paid according to the book nf-^"™''"^' *"'°""' '° ''^ suponutendanf pa;*^h'etmia;^''"'' ''' ^^"-' So^fety ^KinTr ^t'ir^^L^'''"' ^ which Ah. Evans hasVvpn^n ^*,' ^" '^''^""'^ "°"' reaUit. and I'^^r^^^l^^J^lf^l^^^^J^ into L hL' °s of tie i'""'^ "■' '"« ^'^"^- ^"'•^"'o^ ""'■ to be devoed to the n^ttr^y^ London. jfJOO in Upper Canada '-I '''°"r'' '^^P^"''."""' o*' "'^ ^^"cety notraianydocVmeL^rirb'ct"^ " "'^^"^^' ' "^^•''• you?a;;!^r,Sr^t!f> "■'y='^ ^"" ""'■"^ "> ries are paid co mnl „V '""' 'fo™ ^^'I'd' the missiona. I the pubiSdT^Ptt'p oP-i," ?;°- 'i^'' f-?'^- r'''-' '''""^ ! -• <>- p"biic tunds^r^i^x' u:;s'Frovi";fcr'"'' *' "■'""' I fro4"hol°rdVo';tr;tf^b,!,r-- ^^■"" -^ p-i I and have a like pri,i nTwUh o^ ' °^J°'" ^•""'"'"'^^ all questions decided llifre does 'h'"'"f'''' °' '■"''"=*" rity of its members anprov^ n^^i?CI'™"f'-°^" ""'^'' or have they cxercispH ihn „!,, , ° f^ ''■ '" ■'^'^ "'ay vent their be^ng 3 .-Vhave^td''.? f T-^'^^'' '<> P^"^* were paid from the missionarvfniHH ^. "■' r^«'°''"'«'' are members of out cotTferenL ' "•« ''o»'= of them wbo other members of voting ''^^'^ « ''^e pnv.lego with 108.] [No. 108.] Evidence to Report on Reliirious Grants. 15 'Zl'i. Do you think any cf those minifitcra who are Pup- Iiiirled from the inia«ion luiide, of wl.ioli these grants forni q )»nrt, confider tiiuin in the li^lit of a bribo from Iho Govern- ment ?— I liavo no reason to think tliey do. ■•,'iy. Are you awaro that tho inaBurerof your misBiona. ry society in this IVovinco did receive the jCDOO paid over to Mr. Alarsilcn by tho Governmoiit ! — I amnot aware of ii. 214. Do you imow that ftlr. .Marsduu transmitted the nionoy ho 60 received to London into tlio treasury of the missionary eocieiy there?— N'o, he left it in the handi of Mr. Stineon to be expended licre, and that saved transinit- f,ii^"t from Fiii^liind. 21 J. Towhoi It— can you point out any particularly?—! have not aaid it was ai'ouedlu changed in its priiicipfps, but I liavo said it exerts an influence ditTuren' to Ihnt bf tiire the union, in the politic* of tho cointry. It beenia now to bo in t'avor ot' things as lluij are, rather than thrrefurm, wliich it formerly so strongly advocated.' 229. Did vou ilunnfT the controversy with Mr. Birry cnn- denin the Weslcyan .Missionary Coinniitioe fur havinjj ac- cepted of the govcrnineni grn-it which was olp red to them? — The remarks I midu on tlie govcrnniant fjranl.'! were made when I was in ijjnorance of any such bum;; made to the Wesleyan Missionary Coiifi'r.noo, and in tho contro- 1 whose credit was it placed by Mr. Stineon .nd ' versy which arose out of them, I was not called upon to i ulheaccoiintf^nt!— 1 understood that he plac- 1 press an opinion particularly r.liitive to them, but h». to whom di od it to the credit of tne parent society in London, or ac countud to Ihern forit, arly nhitive to /hem, but had I I been awaro when I made the remarks allmJed to.jthat iheu I had received a grant similar to th.; othcri', I should havo 21C. Will you c.f plain to the committee the differenco! been equally as free in my rcmarlcs on it. between receiving (jiovornmeiit giants direct or receiving! 229, Did you approve of the Wenleyan Methodist Missi- tii(.ia I'ro'n that .Society or body who received them from' onary committee in your controversy with Mr. Barry, for tho Governmcnl !— Tim i'.iiF.:re;"o is oliv:oiis,— the one toceivinff government grants for missionary purposes 7— case receiving tlioin directly, tlio other indirectly. | No, I did not. 217. Is there any ditilrcnce in tho effects, consequences 230. Had the Missionaries a choice of the manner in or propriety of fuoli proceedings!— There is littlo or no which they might be paid their salaries. Would you think dilferenee in niyop.iiicn 2IS. In such a ens'? if thcr? is any thing so morally wrong or injurious in a part of your Contorenco being paid in such a iiiauner do you not consider the whole Conference impli- r.ated, by not exercising tho powers with which they are vested to prevent it ?— Tlii.s quo-itiou calls for an exprea- Bion of opinion obvious to all — thiu if any thing be moral, ly wrong on the part of any of liio members of the confe- rence, the whole body muot be iosnme measure implicated, unless they exjrcise what powers they possess to prevent or correct it. 2la. Do you think tlig missior. work in this country has suffered in consequence of the Government Grants which have been made to the Wesleyan Missionary committee ill London ?—l thini; that the work in general has suffered in consequence tliereof. 220. Do you think that it is equally improper for the miesionaries to receive their support from the mission fund, under the present circumstances as it would be to receive it direct from the Government ? — I think not ; be- cause it is not optional -vith them, they have not a choice from whom they receive it. 221. Do you think it is morally wrong for any of the members of the conference to receive theii support from the missionary fund, supported, as it is at present^ I Bce no immorality in it— every man's conscience in that rvepect must be his own guide. 222. Did you feel bound or in any wise influenced by •ny conversation, discussion or arrangements which took place at the conference in Hallcwoil in 1832 to change the political character of the Christian Guardian ! IVot in a ly wise. 223. Did the conference at its next or any subsequent sesEion censure or axpress their disapprobation of the po. political course pursued by the Giiardir w faras it m. terfered witii politics while under youi i i,tion ? No— they passed a vote fully approvinglhe manner in which I uoiulucted the paper. 224. While you edited th.'j Gnardian were you not en- gaged in a controversy with Mr. Harry relative to Govern. meat Grants for the support of the Church Ministry ? 1 was engaged in a controversy with him, which aro^'out of some remarks 1 made relative to some grants to certain denominations. 22o. What in your opinion is the nature of the politicnl principles advocated before and since the union by the Guardian, nre they o^.-iositos or are rli.iy m unison ? It exerts a political inflaenca very different sineo the tinion to what it did before. 226. Did you as a Minister of the Methodist Church in this Provinrn, Jipprove of the political ouurjcof tho Guar- dian either before or since tho un:on ! — I think that it haa meddled loo much with politics both before the union nrd Biife. 227. W'hat political principles dois the Guardian now «d»oeate which are opposite to those foraerly advocated by it would be as equally improper for them to receive their support from the Mission fund under tho present circum- stances as it would be to receive it direct from the govern. ment ? — Very little difference in that case, in my opinion. 231. Do you believe that if a r'-oacher were to doclarij he could not cowicientiously enter the Mission work under the present arrangement your conference would oblige liini to do so? — I think there would bo a deference paid to hii conscientious scruples. 832. Yoa have aaid that the Conference passed a vote of thanks in your favor for the way you had conducted thi Christian Guardian ; are you aware t.iat the conference has approved of the manner the Guardian has been edited since you ceased to be its editor? — lam not awaro that they have expressed their approbation directly. !i33. Are you aware that they nave expressed it indi- rectly? — At the conference of 1634, which was one year after I had ceased to be editor, they elected me to that oflice, but I declining to servo, they elected Mr. Ryerson. 234. What was the causa of your declining to servo as editor? — There were several causes, but the principal rea. son was that the feelings of parties relative to the Guardian were so strong, I was apprehensive I was not adequate to the task. 235. Since monies are paid to our local government to be expended on Missionary purposes under the direction of a Missionary committee connected with your conference is the political feeling of your conferenco the same as former- ly ? — 1 am not able to say respecting the political feeling of the Conference,' but the minds of several of its members 1 think have greatly changed in respect to political matters, yet 1 would not attribute that to the effect ^of money paid for Missionary ourposes. 236. Is it your beliel that our Government would havo paid any sums of money to the British Wesleyan Confer- ence unless with the express understanding that such sums would be laid out in this Province in some way connected with the Conference of which you are a member ? — I be- lieve that the first grant was made to the Wesleyan Mis. sionary Conference before the union for the purpose of ex- pending it in this Province, under their immediate direc- tion ; but the latter grant was evidently made for the pur- pose ot being expended in the Province after we were cori- neeted with the conference in England. 237. Are you aware of the Methodist Episcopal confer- ence or any body or individual of that conference petition- ing His Majesty's Government for monies to aid in tlie erection or keeping in repair Churches or Cnapels or to give aid towards Missionary purposes under the control of that conference? — I am fully of opinion there was no such applicatiou from the Methodist Conference in this country or I'ruia any of its lueiabers. 233. Is the Canada Conference not bound by the article.^ of union to receive into their body from the English Con- ference every year a certain number of their Preachers ? — It is not so understood by our Conference (see 4'.h article of union and note hereto appended.) 16 Evidence to Report on Religious Grants. [i\o. 108.] 339. Are you »ware thst mnnioi ire paid by the Gov- ernnient of Upper Cana.la from tlia funds of the Casual and rerritonal Revrmeofthf Profinco for the a;d and .up- port of religious purpo«08 und.-r the maMgcment of the VVtsleyanMeihodist.Conference?-! «tn aware that mo- mes have been paid by thegovorninont from ike Casuiil and ^ n'm^'i?' "■^"^"^^ 0' "'e Province tor those purposes. .240. Do you understand by the Wesleyan alethodiets monljoned in the foregoing question the Conference to which you belong?-! understand the British Wesleyan ajeinodiet Conference. ,h„^"' ^'^l^^y "I'' i^onncctcdl-They arc connected in the manner formerly explained. 2i2. Do you consider the Missions in Canada as wholly connected with the P.trei.t Society or are they not as yoi Uv« already observed the Missions of yeur Church, whose Wissionary Society is auxilmry to the Parent Socielv '— 1 hoy are .Missions of our Church as well as of the We«. ley an ilisaionary Society in England. r ^ ,. Tuesday, 31s« March, 1836. Committee met. Tho REV. WiLLl.\M CASE, calkd m and examined. this P™rr * '"'"'''?' °*' ^''^ A''-'"'0'ii»t Conference in Mo,yT\S^'^^™fy ''"''*" "» the Conference of the Methodist Episcopal church in Canada ?— Yes I am fdi Th^'!:';nr""'"''"''.'^ Conference now d.stiiiguish- d'ur-J.'ilrCard';™''" "' "^^ "^^-*y«" M*^"""' .l,ff H 'irTJ'iP 'T "'^ '='""■'='' '° which you belong had ^ '" n . '^° \lt^''^ Methodist church'm Can.fa 7- cinf^n October 1^33. ■".m.uo i -1i'?8. '^ '**"'* ''"'^^ "'° "'''''"' *■"" "" ^''''*'' eonference ? r.ll5' iv/Ji*'* '"m^? ''."''y °' Methodists in the Province Mi^„.1i»^^ •"^".1 .Metl'odists?-Tliere is another body of Mothodists in Uus country sometimes called Ryanitos. ottowiso the "Canadian Wesleyan Methodist church." ' .o^ , ■ "!!' ■''* ,^/?'"^''tr8 HKd members of your church he cS^n W " B"""'' VVesleyans." i„ distfnction fr™m , on. h " )V«loyan8?_'. British Wesleya.is" is not f„"fr.''.yj'' J'.'^'i ?'" =''"^'=.'i i« k"own.-Tlfat name dis Neither has the one conference any control over the fbnda of the other. Tkese two bodies have formed « " ,,n „ ?. the articles of which see Di.cipl,ne?p«ge 151. "°" 2i)2. Did the conference in England acknoivl<.r),»« „ conference a. a branch of the CTeyafM 3, IZ nexion when you were called the Mtfthodi,ri.w I church, and tre'at with you .ccor^ng" T! r,,,^'' «°P»' of the union the Canadian conference was so acknow led' ed and treated with according;y . "ckiiow Jedg. 253. Did they not consult w.th your conferenre or vn,,r euperin endent when you were cafted the Me hod^s? Em copal church, about establishing their mis,7on. n- Lm'^ societies of their own .n th,. PrSvinc^ !~h a corr^Don^ dence did take place between Mr. Townlev of -h. \i '^ Board .n Londo!;. and ourMissiona^^Bo. Jin York heTa'J the residence of Dr. Morrison, one ii its membe„ -^t » the two conferences with one dissentient only, which ,J comn^ndationwa, laid before the conference [^ Hslloweu 254. What mis ion stations had they in tho P,n«;„-„ . tinguishes the large bo.ly of Melh^dLu i^ETgl nTour; .in )y'=8'«y»n Methodist church in Canadaf" m Do you not think it very likel/ since the union of y^ur church w.th the British Wesloyfn connexion in Eng. land the meu.bers of your church might be called British soSd" ^*"««^"'"'?-Ik''°* Dotlhy they should to , 230. Do the church to which you belong and the Wfe*- eyai. Methodists in England (orra but o!e body or f re they two distinct churches '—Thev «« H,«inn, k^l mdeo^f ?"/r:r=\'" ^'^ Arrot"rine ''a"i ndependendent body, the Wesleyan Methodist church in Canada forms another distinct and independent bwly these twodietinct bodies have formed a union ^' »hpi^*rfi.\"nM'f tk'"" "'^""'y "'«""« «nd how are they distinct!— They are the same in doctnnp. or the Cf: ,h'? "^""^ «''ci«y; M also iXgrea?Vat- lines of their economy ; such as itinerancy, plans of bene. n^fw"^""' *=• hutthpy are distinct in name, andTdZ pendent of oaoh other. The Wesl.ynn Method st Confer- ence ,n England ore recognized in Mr, Wesley's deed of settlement enrolled in C.fancery, by which ^e?r c X and church property are held, and by which the actsV the coiiterance become legal. The conference ct the ,wf 'T1*l'"'"''"" •=''"''='' '" Canada" .8 the same as That formerly known a, the "Methodist Epifconal church in Canada"; fhe alteration of name and the fiXU/W having been m accordance with a rule inita^on8mi& nuthonsirgsuch alterations. These tw " confe ences a e distinct and indopendent.-They manage their own tmer! r.ul economy in their o«n way, free of the interference of each other, neither hsvip^ ar- "crlo-i.-.V- . ", " . "°® °' conuoi over the members^(p;::actt;rprpief of tLe oThe"? so distinct are they, that the mmisters^f the one S «n£e have no right or claim to membership m theThercoi Jerence without their consen.. and a regular admutance !»3. On whote part wire proposals for the union first mad.-, and what proceedings were had thprnnn i 1 1 i . finally ratified ?_The first V-,vi proposals werji.l." the part of the Canada co,irencra7w Jh'time , .^'y' comm ssioned an agent to proceed to England to reat wuh the British Conference on the sul ject. 256. Did Mr. Alder rnake any stipulation on tho part of hi« confereiice as conditions of the propcwed un;o'^ '_ lnn« in {■fi^'^","'^''' '".'"«'"^'"'' «' the H.llowe"l confer ence in 1832 as to bis opinions of what the British confer ence would expect if the union wore formed 357. What were those stipulations or statements i—VI» recollection is not clear on the subject. Mr Ev»n7^/ jwer to the 14th question on thissulfject I belie've to be co"! 258. Did your conference send Mr. Egerton Rverwn to S-tdrnSerdid:'" '^^ """•" ""f-- "." v^ 259. Who was appointed editor of the c« at iiallowtll the Province at Cingston, one at the union first reon till it was • were made oa iich time tlity id 10 ireat with I on tho part oi' spd unjon .' — I illowoll confer- Britiah confer- tementa * — My Mr. Evans' an- lieve to be cor. Ion Ry ergon to irence relative uardian at the ropoaed J— Mr. n conaequence ' ?— I knew'out JO the part of ditor that year "g faia absence iion. question were iiibers of your ish connexion rstood by tho 5 be taken un. onary Society assary for the nbers of your ' funds of the at they might ight have ex- I' conference >h Wealeyan irposes, while *as a conver- d the confer. vithstanding, the minds of funds, Or Is it 3 might have 3 to the con- erence toen- i conference h conferenoe lion was that [IVo. 108] Evidence to Report on neli;rioiis Grants. 17 ■*■ •ai'istanci! Bii^'lit le givu liy t!io Di-.tinh i^ornVrcuc^. to lii' lu rurryin? u.i tliu n .jii^ar Wi^rk ill t'l'.' Lirciiila. Si/'i. l),d vDiir coil;' riMii.o since iIh' iiiuiin r'-iliz*; lliow *X;ri:tllllllll'. ! — I:i til ■ li(ll'. ;:rt.i:l ) cf Hir Un:iJll it a |.ril,-;- deJ Ihitt till' CiiiiMlhin i'r ai.li. r.; bIioiiIJ Ihvu ii,i rla.iii uii lliir liimitdf tin: lint ell coiifi rcncn; llio Ciuridi prcacln rs havu iiuViT rKC'.iud iii>y n-PiK'an',,. iVnni ihi' l!.,i «li cnn- furiNiLf, oilicrv, itieli iii Iruin lliu MiSoioiiary Hoccly iii «up- por' f'f in »iiiinB ill II. s cuuii:ry. 207. \\ .13 .Mr. KyiTMHi iiiJtiui;ieil lo mak<> any nrrnn^!- mm t ri Itthvu ui n| [iriiprniiioMfl ut' imiii"y (rnin il,.. llriiioli coii(i'r«i:cn t.i yo'irs? — I titnictioiM wcr.' yivoii Idiii oj va. nous ii.iititri io:i!Oc((.mI willi tin.' otj.'cls of lii..< niiTiim. 'JGvl. Wi.nt \nctr ilij jiuriiiTtol' m.s ini-lniri duji dii ilii. pmiit' — I am not m pnsrtr..Kifiii of (irn|"T iiil'.iriiiiilion to answer tint qm'stion. rorllie ru^n'tot' Ira iiii.«smi.i 1 relW to til" «rlii;li,-n I'f tio ii'iiiin, Hcv l)i.ii;i|il iii>, pajo l.'il. 201). liavi! you any kiio.vlcJ^'j of IIik ri.'i;'N|,t oi' ofrtain gra.li! t'loii j;OM'rij'ji(:iit lo ui I llio Melli.iddt C.iurcli in iha Province, if r.o, pliNiHO ..-uro what ynu liimw I'o/.c.'rn- iii;j tliom ! — I laio'.v Ih-r- liailiuencoiii'idiTiiblu mid o.i ihu BUi j ct and k ^'p «l d .iI of fxcili'inerit crcutrd lin.rrim in 801110 parUof lii-' cininiiy, but I can say ihal. tlnj Caiiiidii coiifi-neiici; liiiv.: n^vur rccoived any buinsol' inoiioy irom tliu BriiiHli g'.nri'iiicnt lor any (lurpotu wlntevur. 270. Uo yiiu iii.aii fo ho nnde^^tuod to sny that your church lias rcoi-'ucd n > aid fioiii Goveriuiient grants?— Thoy havo reci'ivi d iioii.' lo my knowicdfje. '.{71. Arj ) on nviri: tint Government Grants have been madi! lo the .Misriioiiary iSo.jiety of tliH VVe.'^liyiiu Metho. dist coMiioxiou in London for t';e purpose of bciig expend- ed ou till- laisa'.onary Work of your church in Canada / i am aware that the (,'ovorninfnt did previonsly to the union of the Iwo confer, nces grant to tli' Woelcyaii Mis. •ionary Soeicty in Loidon tho sum of XOOO sterl.njj to bo expended on llii irniiseioiia in this couiilry, and that subso. qiiontly Ihi sum nf jt;.')50 stcrUiif; was granted to llio said Missionary Soci' ty in Loiidon to bo applied towards the support of ihiiir miss oils in the same way. 272. Are not those excitemerls of which you have spo- ken, in yonr opinion, chiffly atiributshle to tho grants of money inado by tho government towards tho support of mis^.o ,ario8 intliis J'roviico?— It iri my opinion that the excit'.'iiionts arc attiibuted ralhorlotlio misrepreient(Uion3 which have been made rclalive to tha Government Grants. 273. By whom have thcfe niisrepreientatione been made ? — I refer in tho first place to tlie misrepresentations that have been made— as appeared in an Almanack en- titled "the Canadian True Blues, by (Patrick Swift, Esq. M. P. P. proflissorof A8!rclo;.'y, York," page 18, and head.! ed " corruption unmarked."— Under this otfeDsivc summi. ry, in llio litle, is said to bean estimate of money and mo. ncy's value, rai.sed in taxes, fee.i, monopolies, land-jobs, and otherwise from tho people of Upper Canoda, and of which lh(! Methodist Epificopal Church is said to huve re. ceieved £1,900— this erroneous statement appeared in the 2nd edition of the same Almanack for the same year— widely spread as these messengers of slander have been, they have probably heen read by many who have had no means of obtaining information to the contrary— and could h.ive no suspicion of the design to mislead. By such mie- representations I bel.eve exciteraonla have been created. Another erroneous statement appears in the 7th Report of the Committee on Grievances, page4, Tiz: "The patron- age of the Crown as was exercised in this Province, in- eludes the payments of gifts, salaries, pensions, and retired allowances, to the Clergy of the Methodist. Preebvterian, Protestant Episcopal, and Romain Catholic orders" as fsr as this regards the Weslyan Methodist Conference in Canada, it is incorrect, aa they haverece.ved neither gifts, salaries, pensions, or retired allowances from the gover«. ">a"t.— In the same report, page 15, it is stated, that the British Wceleyan Metliodmi Conference, formerly the Me- thodist Episcopal Church receivftd £1000 in lfi3H rrc* i;tJll in 1»31,— theBe two errors 1 wish to mention here— the first la thn tho British VVcsleyan Methodist conference waj formerly " the Methodist Episcopal Church." The second IS that the VVrsleyau Methodiil church in Canada E wliich I suppojn is horo meanf, rvrr reeoived either llio ii'io or the other ■f t !'•■.• sik. ».—T; at thi^ H'utemcnt m iiieiiiit lo ni.ply lot io v'.'i |,leya;i •' MUiiOuitt Conft rente iii I'liirli'," w II aiip' ar lroiiiih> loniniei.t on th) next png.i (p. l'() of iiie ll-ii,ort wii TO 111'! Govern ii'Mit Graiita iiro r|ir. s-iiud lo liavo had ih- elf ct of ft lirWf ini ihat body. .No'.v thii only .vid ■nee I helieve refrr:iig to theso praiitg I 1 this eiHi' IS of the Appiii'l'x. Hero tha R ce.vsr (imi oil xia'OH (int the sunn ol X'lOOO was paid t.i Me.-.-rs. Ilii-'opi' and .M.iriiih'ii I'.t m'i<.s,oiiarv purposes, and oil piire IK) Hiemin i.f jfOliaywas pa d to the Rev. Jiisi'ph .Sti'is.ii, Repri'Hi'iiialivo of the '• .Mc.'thodi.U Mis. Hio'nry S.icio'yin l.oidon." These etitements !;ofo show th'it th..' G.iveiiiiiient Gniiila wer.i ]iiiil, wit to tho " VVealey. an .M-thodist Conlercnco in Caiiaib," but lo th.; Treasu. rors (.M psr.^. Hiihlope and Mar^den) and Rev. J*. Ktinson, Ri pre.-* Illative of iho WesL'ijan Misxiowinj Huckiyin Lon- uoH. 1 have d1i>o to refer to uno:h"r erroneous siutement in the Grlevanei' R .port, on pn^'o M, it is stated, tliat " the .Ministers of these occha ii...tical eslabl.sliments derive tiieir otlical p"Usion3 entirely from the public revenue, riisid wilhin the Piovince, and receive besides an income fiom their congrogaiioiH."— On the preceding page (p. 14) you will tiiul 111 the same article headed Ecclksiasticai. EsTADi.i.su.MBMTB, tlmt a proininant rofercncu is made t'l tiie ".Methodists of two conferences not in connexion with each other," which must of course include tho iVesleyan Milhndisl Conference in Canmlit. If then the community are madn tobulievo that the "MethodiHl Episcopal Church receives from money raised in taxes, fees, monopolies, land- jobs, and othcrwi.o, from the people of Upper Canada," £1,000, and that "besides" tho Government Grants, tha yVesleyan Methodi.^t Conferonco "receives an income from tlieir con;iregntions," as is stated in the Grievance Report, pngcs H and l."*, it ia no longer matter of surpriso that excitements should be created, and these aro my reasons for believing that the excitements were occasioned, rather by niisrepreseiitationg relative to tliosa grants, than by the grants themselves. It is much to be regretted that tfiig circumstance, tlie want of lestimony in Ike case, was not noticed by the Committee on Grievances when they drew up that part of the 7th Report.— It would have saved the feelings of no incoiipiderablo portion of the community, among whom aro not a few of the best well-wishers to the cause of Reform. The last erroneous statement which I wish to ref 'r to, is contained in the supplement lo tho Christian Guardian of February 20th, 18.30 : In the debate* of the House of Assembly a member of that House ia re- ported to have said that, " lie believed that any circuit, which was in nrrearsin paying tho preachers salary at conference, was called a mission, and the deficiency was made up out of the missionary fund, so that in fact the preachers were paid out of this money." 1 know not on what grounds such a belief was founded. — Other publications equally er- roneous might be referred to, but thi so may suffice. 274. Havo tho Wesleyan Methodist connexion in Eng- land missions independently of your.church in thisprovinco since the union of yourchurch with that body ! — In answer lo a previous miestion I havt slated that ngreeably to tho». article of the Union tho missions in Canada were taken under their patronage and wsro to be regarded as the mis- sions of the English Weilojan Missionary Society for the support of which missions liie English Missionary Society were to furnish the funds. 275. Then are you to be understood lo mean that no con. nexion at all cxials between the missions under the charge of the superintendent of the Wesleyan Methodist missions in this Province and your church ?— No such connexion as that wliich gives the Wesleyan Methedist church in Cana- da any cnntroul over the funds of tho British Wesleyan Missionary Society in London. 270. Do you think that the first paragraph quoted by you in the Grievance Report wholly relates to tho Methodist ■™ ?-^I bnvi; xtnt^d in the answer i.j a pftnoas qacsiioa as far as regards tho '. ■ -ileyan Methodist conference uio statement is erroneous. 277. Does it relate (in the term pensions) at all to tha Methodist clergy !— It murt relate lo either "gif>«" "*a- 18 Evidence to Report on Rcliirious Grants. [No. 108,] Urie." "penmon«"or "rrtirPil tllowancui" for no ollif-r torniH (irp nml, «„.!, under noun of IIibho torm« huvn il.c MelhotliHls or oiir nhnreli r.-'cuireil tlio " (JoviTnn^Mit I'u- tronsgc; (or th.,- inianin« in llio nhoyo para.rrupli I b.-a t„ refer ro pa^e H of tho (iriov&noo It.poJt unJer the arliclo h(:« LKSIASnt At KUTAOLHIIMENTS." S!78. Do yon not think it sl^o ri'late^ (o tho Clfrirvof the other di'noniiimtions nientionsd !— With that r h-ivc nothing to (1„. It Ih tho misrrpreeenlationi that (in i rn- ment grants |,ave been made to tho conforenco of which 1 am a meinber. 271). Are vou not awaro that ponaions arR allowed to the clergy o other dcnoniinationaan by tho Report shewn in pngi's 117 and Its ?-To tho Weslev.n Methodiat coiif-.- reiice in Canada tho Oovernnicnt liaa made no (rraiiU fiir any purpose whatever, and their appears no rvUenco in tho Appendix on wliiuh to f.mnd tin, assertion that the eo- vernmcnt did grant ineiioy to that body. 280. Wero no gifts given by the government to Metho dist churches in this Province 1-Nono to the church to wmcli 1 belong. ani. Way not the money granted by the government to different religmu, bodies for religious purposes be looked upon in the light of a gift ?_I have no answer to that ques .hff" ,^V" •ny'n'i'n'Hion given to your conferenca of the ender of any grant by government to the Methodists n th.8 I'rovince eiii.or before the uuioD or since 7-1 hare no knowledge of any. ,Jfi!"„^^"f ""/''""' ")'''*,"'>"'"'■ Conference of the reception of such grants by the superintendent of the Mis- sions ?-l he supcriniendjnt of the missions may have reported that monuys were received from the crant for the missions under the patronage of the English VVealejao Conference, but he could never have reported that such grants were made to our conference. 284. Is the committee to understand that your confer- ence in no way hold itself accountable to the public or yourcliurch orlhe transactions of the Weslevan Mis- sionaries m this Province /-I am not aware of saying any thing to make such a question necessary. The an- nual reports of the Weslcyan Missionary Society are every year published, m this country, wher/.U moneys, fror^ whatever source, are credited, and tho application of them minutely detailed._0( this any person may know by re erence to them. ' ' 285. Did yourconferencelinstitute any inquiry respect- ing government grants to the Wesleyan Missionary .So- ciety m this Province, us to their design, application fcc. after it was known they had been received jiln a former answer it 's expressed, that no grant was ever made to the Wes eyan Methodist Conference in this country, but to he .^tllXvlnce. ^ '" '"""°"' "• ''' "^« "f '""" •»--- «t^f;nYh"'' '!" P'°"«''i"g« ''""> h»'' in your conference at all on the eulyect, whether those grants were made either here or m Eiigknd to the missionary purposes of tho Wes. leyan Methodists Society in this Province ?— The Canada Conference neror instituted any proeeedinirs on the eubjoct. Conyersations have sometimes taken place, but the confer- ' cnce I am persuaded never considered that any grants were "ver made to tbem-they always understood that the erans weremade to the Engiisl. VvJleyan Missionary Socf/ty n London, over whose funds the conforsnco had no control Of course they con!d institute no proceedings in what way the society in London should provide funds for their mis- •ions III this country. ""^ 287. Were no motions or resolutions mado in confer. tro"7n'*" ff '"J""' pantsJ-I believe there was i resolu. tion once offered in tho confjrence on the subject, tlm dis- position of which I donot exactly remember, p^iilmps t was Itluu ""h" \ ■"" "PP^'honsire it was undo; The pJrs, asTon An\, '^ Mr k"^ " 1° '"y '" ^*''='' ■""nner the socie/y in osfl""^?" ** "'";'" '^'"•'^ ^°' "'eir missions. ^ M9. Who moved the resolution for a d ^chrsf ion of om to me." ^'"" "=""'f'f«'"=e 0.1 this subject ?-lt does not occur 28a What arf your opiuious a« to th* propriety of pub- i lin (rr«iitg(orreliifioii»piirpnse«?_Iknow not that I am lirrpired 10 givo an ninumn on this wil.ject in nil its hear- "gi. 1 o raise onedunomination above another by riistinc ive privileges, either civil or r,.ligi„„«. ( ,o„„f|er to he v ong and unjust; and that aalarirs f,oi„ tJov.rnmenI to u2l\Z n"^ •'""""•ination would occasion much dis.a- slact.on -Uut with reipect to the (l«v!rnnment grant. lor the improvement of il,o Indians in this country, 1 am of opinion, and have boon lor m,.ny years, that nu^h ,^od may 1 ,, done in this way to that long neglected peonle.-I have long thought thi.t there aro^bhgotions ilne to the Anierieai, Indians which have rot been fully discharged by any governinent on tho continent, having been in one way (Tnhn.l''^;", '"m'" P",' =2""''«"''' ""I' societies in tim United States and Cnadi, for the instruction and improve- nent of the Indian tribes, I hare thus formed my opinion. • (.oTeriiment, to which I havo referred havo'doiie some! tn,f. 7. '" V'l'''"""""'" "f the Indian tnbes, but the tothowantsandohli.raio,istQ that unfortunate people- „e?,'M'i ;'.'.' ""? °' '^" ","'''"' """' "'■ "'« B"ti.i; Govern, ment that tlioy have employed their funds for tho amclio- »• tTon!'''nr,h'^''°r'' ''r '""'' -d the ignorant; and It It IS one of tho richest boasts ot the nation that her pivernment has paid tho price of runsom fur all her slave. me It appears equally glnr o,is, proper and just, to employ li.nds dorived from the limd. once held by the Indians iii ameliorating their conditioii.-Tli. American Government ha. appropriated SI10,000 annually for this purpose ; that sum has been paid ovit to various benevolent societies for the civil and intellectual improvement of tho Indians.-In my opinion the Dritish Government have no occasion to he.ila e m adopting a similar course-whnt they havedone mV 7''^ '° '' ""''ly -The conversion of more than 1000 Indians who wro once so many drunkards, is an honor to the christiiin church and to tho Government, who may have in several way. aided in her successful cttbrts. 290. Has the annual appropriation of 810,000 alluded ^,i"J';?'' 'fr"""'/ o" '"''" appropriated by the Legisla- ture of the United States, or has it been giCen by thl Ex- ecutive Government without the consent of tho L-gisla- turej-lboliovo in the American Government no appro- priation IS ever mado b/ the executive without the consent of the Legislature, but in the British Government it ia understood to bo otherwise.— I know not that I fully under- stand the right or prerogative of the Crown, but if I do, it i.tnis, that the Crown claims the revenue from certain source., among which is that arising from the sale of wild lands, a revenue which the King, of England havo always enjoyed, and which has neverheen conccd..'d to the Pro. vincial Legislature.— That question being, as I understand ; ?, Po'l!"*! one, in controversy between the Legislature of this Province and the Crown, and which question re. mams unsettled, I do not feel it my duly to give an opinion as to the merits of the caee.-If then the Crown claims th. prerogative of appropriating the monies arising from such lands, and that it never has been determined by a-v Act of the Goverament that the King has no such right, and the King having applied those funds according to hi. discretion I an. nnder the impression that no religious body need feel any scruple in receiving funds thus derived and thus given for the improvement of the Indian tribes, wiio once occupied those lands. 291. Do you think that that is the best way to make Me. hodist preachers the moans of these neglected people get. ing their due Irom Governr.ient contrary to the wishes of the peopla out of whos. funds the money is token '-I have supposed that the funds alluded to were not raised' by taxa- tion on the community but from the revenue of the Crown arsing from the sale of wi!d lands, which revenue had ne- ver boon conceded by the King-if it were a setti, d point that tiic funde wore under the control of tho pcoplc.I have no hesitation in saying tli«t it were wron-r were they of- icrod to receive fund? from the Exjcutivo Government for sr.y purpose wh:ttev.r v.iti.out ih .;unbjiit of the Lcnsla. lure. I bcjr hero to remark furiiier, that tho grantij* the Oovorrim.^it have made to tlit We.l,..yan Bl Mioifory Socie- ty in Loudon can have no efloct lo iucr«aao in any way th« []\o. 108.] Evidence to Report on Religious Grants. 19 Hilary nf thn Mieaionaricn ; it liowevor en»til>-i tin inclotjr to ej;ltud itt inijuionary onorntiotii lor the bnnflit of tlio poor and ilcatilule. — I wiali aUo to ol. i-rve thai llio incioiy iipvcr cotnented that thn Oovcrnnicni 'lould pny iho aala- rica oftlii ir niinHionaric'i— I lliiiik lam aiitluiriHid maayiiig thai offers havo boon made by tlit, (iovcriimont to pay ilie valarifx of mtaHionancH, il° uppo.iitod to tlio cuiivtcia in New Holland, or to the alavca in tlit West ImiIii:<<, but tho (ociety di'clinf.d llnoner, aaying, wliatevur fundi aro grant- ed for tins cbjoct, if paid inta tliu fiindt of tlio Migjiunary Hoc cly, will be tjratet'uliy acknOwl(;dj;''d. 20'J. It appforn by ynnranawor to a furniprqiicntion that llie powur of ihu K.xucutiva (lovernment to appnipriiite tho revpiuiri alluded to la yet a malirr of doubt by tht J/ g s- lative branches question nut to do any thing that would continue the agitation that is felt in the country o,i the eiibjact — nevcrtheleps I do not conceive that wliit has been do.i« by thedovrnmont in making them, or tho Wesli^ya" Midsion- »ry Society in London recoirmg tlioin, there ha beeo any impropriety in tho case. IiiofieriDglhe above nentiinenia liowcvcr I do not wish to be undcriitood to give tho genti- mcnta of the conference cither in lingland or in Canada. 293. Would you under all circntsMancea think it proper or improper tliat lor the future tlieie grante should bo >U8- pended till this agitated qucgtiou ig finally letlled } — Ihave 110 opinion to cxprcKa. 204. Do you believe that the motive in the Oorernmont waaeuchaa you cxjireesin your examination, purely bene- volent, in milking tlicae yrauW! — I have no reason to be- lieve that there were any exicptionablo motives in tho case; I can only judge from the facta tliemianada to prevent melhodisl soeieil«,i under the Wesleyan mulhoilisl conference in Great Urilain be- ing established in this rrovincc, auH have such broken up, as were forinsd, and did you succeed therein ? I feel very reliiriant to refer to a eubject which at that lime was so paiiilul, and which was nflerwardj amicably ad- justed by ihe two connexions. 299. bid not Ihe local government in Upper Canada apply to the government at home implicating the char- acier of the preachers of the Methodist Ilpi-copal church, and did not that government apply on Ihe subject to the Wesleyan Missienary committee in London, and did not the committee apply to the methodisi IJishops— aud they lo you on thesubjcct/— I have so unders;ood ii, but it Is long ago — the subject I believe is passed away and is for- gotten and I do not wish to revive it. yOO. Do you not think that the close connexion ex- isting between the society in England and your confer- ence is such that if a public grant of moiiey were made fur missionary purposes to the fermer it would benefit your niinis'ers who are employed as such, as much ai though it were paid directly to your conference?— I do not know that it would benefit in any other way than by enabling the iocicty to extend Ihe work ; It would not in- crease the salaries of the preachers, — The allowances of the missionaries are fixed by rule of discipline which is always paid, and under no circumstances do they re- ceive more. Were the funds of the society increased a ihonsand fold it would enable Iho committee to titend the bless'ngs of the gospel, but tho allowances to the rais- gionaries would remain the same. FRIDAY, Ist April, 1836. Committee met. Mr. THOMAS VAUX called in and examined. 801. Are you a member of the Wesleyan Methodist so- ciety in this Province? — I am. 302. Was you a member of the Metbodist Episcopal church in this I'roviuce in the spring or summer of 18>i2 ? — I was. 303. Did there exist in this city at the above period a IJoard of Managers of ihe Missionary society of the con- ference of the Methodist Episcopal church? — Yes. 304. Were you Secretary and a member of that board at that period f — Yes. 3Uj. Do you recollect a special meeting of ibal board being called which met at Dr. Morrison's about that period, and by whom was it called and for what pur- pose ? — There was a specini meetiiin- called, I think in June 1832 by tbe Reverend .loliii Uyerson President of the board of managers of the missionary society, for the pur- pose of meeting with Mr. Alder, represenlalive of the Wesleyan Missiuiiary society in London. 30C. (Jan you tell who besides yourself, members of that board, and others by invitation attended that meet- ing? — The Uev. John aod Ihe liev. Egerton Ryerson, Mr. Patrick, Dr. Morrison, Mr. Parke, and I think Mr. Arnislrong and Mr. Howard, the Rev. ilessrs. Turner, Hick, aud Hellierington accompanied Mr. Alder. 307. Have you any recollection of a communication from ihe Wesli-yau Missionary society in London, ad- dressed to the Rev. Wm. Case, and referred lo this board, l>y the conference in either the years 1829-3U or 31 and was it read or acted upon? — There was a cofflmunica- tion. it was read and acted upon. 303. Can you produce ihat communication aid the ultiiiiate proceedings had thereon at that or any oiiier board upon that subject? — I am inpofscssion oftlie com- muuicaiion, and likewise the proceedings had thcroon. (WitiicBs banded in tbe documents marked C.) 20 l%alruc«; Uj . loport ofi I?fIi«rioua OrnriH. ("IVo. 108.] WKMHWtaMM^ •^~"-n^— ■■ I ■■mil 301/ WIm m«»H 1) ihn^B ra,oSiiilon4 iiud ti.e Irlier ir rorniianyii ''« m a' ilie ii,p,-t|Hg „r i|„, |,„,,„| bfloru al yuu It, iIju uunwor ia your poiaeuKiii ?— . and d> the |iii liy lu . Rc80ln date I lu.lnl f. ' 1 . ..„«, (.,,. |},.v. i:..:,,„„ H)rrM,.i, . ''"'• ^' ' "uiii.i. • of lliiit n|.ly nnil rf«olu- "'•";''""' "lii.uiu ((litiiioii liii'iiHid by any or lli» iii,.„K,,, .),'■ I.nard pf ,)„. Mi-ll„Mli,t Kni^.o- I'.il churcli m il,t> ,n ■ ' ,M l!ieli lUi'f 've.e udopied I— I do 1101 rccolltcl «, .„ ,i , . » , ,, ♦|>|io,s'f,|. Oil. Ui,« iliore|ily ofiUf b.-4f I* III llie rommunicnilon ofilio WBilcvau lnl^',l..|,;,ry .oiuni^illeo ia I,,),idou an- iwfrni |jy tlif latter l.„ilv !— Vm •J\-^. iLve I lltfVO (Wiincnii handitd in tlig document mHikcd D.) niJ. Wlio wui till) biiircr of ibat hitler coniiiiuDicii- lion to Ciuiada ?— Mr. Alder. 314. At u iiU'etiiiKol'ilio iniHaionnry hoard licforo men- tioned in ihi; »|tiiiii; uud siiiiiiiier of 18^:.'; win that (diii- munlcatlon read and liy tvlioiii anlinadvirli'd on !— It wan read liy niynelf and it hrcamis ilieioil.i-ct of di»(.ii»»ion. ai."!. Did Mr. Ktjerlon Ifyersoii diieiid hiiiiHelfHiid ihe Uirmlmn (itiardiiui of which he wa< -hen and had hern fursoiuo Hint' I Id lor agaiiml the iin|miatiou contained in the said Idler, at »oma leoHihl— Me did. aiO. Did he not in hi» defence iiii|iu •■ to the Weileynn Methodist conference poliiieal inlernitiidlinj;, especially III relation to llie ulave iiueoliou 'haa causing much ex- cilenient in the colonies, mil mother coiiuiry?— I thiuk ho mad* uicMtioii of the circuinsiance alluded tu. 01* Did iMr. Aider reply to hliii, iilso, at lom* length, >u not Ihiiik he was exiei dinjjiy severe, both on il character of ihe (iuardiao and MeihodUt bo- iiada,'— lie defended the principles ofihe 7lh 'in of the Missionary coinmiltee in Luiiduu of luary L-^U',> very warmly. 3lM. Was it iit that meeting u'f the Board of tnangeri of tlie Missionary Hocicly of tho Methodist Kpiscopul Church thu Union was (irsl proposed and by whom !— It was at the ineeliii!! that I (Irst heard of the proposal for Union, it was in the course of discussion, it wuk I think "'"'proposed by Hie Hev. John Kyersoii. JVJ. Was there a siiliseqiient ineelini; of tha said Hoard, at which certain IJesolutions on the subject ol the Union, were discussed and adopied. and by wlinni were they proposed '—There was a subsequent meeting at which ceriaio Resolutions were proposed, I think by the Ilev. E. Ryeiaon. ' . •'20- Was any address to the Conlerence of tho Melho- Uist Episcopal chu'ch pmi csed inl adopttd at that meet log to accompany the siiii,' Uesoluiions and by whoLi ?— JNot to my knowh d^-e I have n.. recollection of it. jai. How were iha Resclulions transmitted to the l/on erence and their attention called to the same, was any letter adopied by the Hoard or was the President or yourself as Secretary instructed to transmit them re- questing their noticing ihem f— I do not. know how the conference came in possession of the Resolutions there was no such letter (o my kno\-'ledge. iiii. Did you or the J'resident on your own respotislbi- hty, transmit thcin to the confeience, cr was any resolu- tions or part of a res'iliitir;, auopied at that board to give you such authority !—l 'mve o. ;:cdlectijn of any such resolulinn, neither did I olTicia. •■.aD..i-iit them to the conference. 323. Were tiiey laid before t"i r; : • i > t itj i>, recognised by the hoard. It was written iub- sequeutly to the sitting at whidi ihe;last resolutions were adopied and previous to the meeting of the conference. I signed the communication from an imprcssionlthat it con- Uined the sciLse of the board, though not my own indi- ftdually ijml I so st.iled ii lo both the I're.sident and Iho . ■ ".r""" "' ''" '''""• '"'■ ' '"'J '""" tlie first 01)- poseU the Union ol the two conferences. (The Witness handed in a copy of the letter marked F.) Rov. JAMES RICHARDSON again called In and ex.imincd. ^ 3,11. liars you read the Seventh Report of the Select Comniitice on Grievances?— 1 have read part of it, that wh.ch relalcg to the Methodists principally. 332. Httvo you found any thing in it relativj to tho clutch lo which you btloiig ohjcctionable as be% !• fr:ari'. ous or false ; if so fi'iase to state the particulars ?— 1 oiijock first, thu calling l,; Methodist Church an Ed ■•liimJ.v.l Eslublialiineiit except in a spinliml seiiao c( ' m. nU Cliurcliea organized under specific rules and foniis.— i ub. ject lo the phrase ojjicial ptnsi(m3 as applicable to Methodists of any description; bull do not mean to ob- ject lo what I understand the meaning of the clause in which it occurs that those nfficial pensions so called aia derived from the public revenue raised within the Pro- vince. The British Wesleyan Methodist conference is the conference iu England, which never was the Metho- dist Episcopal church, it therefore is incorrect lo speak of it ii:i such. 3.'W. Is it your opinion that it is so erroneous, false or injti^ '"to your church as to call for the animadversion anu , .fgalions which have appeared in the Christian (Juaidian against the coinmilteo on Grievances and House of Assembly t— I think not as I consider its state- men's not so much at variance with the fact of raoneya having been received from government and expended on ihc raissiuiis connuttcd wilh the conference to which I belong as the means or channel through which they hava been received and applied to said missions— I liavo been both grieved and surprised at the uaoy severe and indis- [IVo. lO.S] Evulciico to R. j»oit on lloliir'uMis Grants. 21 frmiliMli' ncnHiirpn wliiililisvp npiii-iiri-d innlnst llicfnm- iniriiK on grii'v;iii( I'l, Ih'iiiii-iMil wliilili' y hiivc », I i:i tlie rp|uiil, rPHiifrliii;; ihr Miilimlni*, i\% | am of (i|)iiii(in lli;it n few <'!i|il.iiniiiiiii4 :iiiil torri'dioii* iiiikIk in lli(« «|iir- It uliiinilor mill ini'iikni'iu, woiiltl liiivn hci-n Kultic'.eril to riMiiDVH iiiy iiijnrionH inipri-itiliint uiWrna, from ili.; er- rnr« in ilin ri'piirl, ami ;iIho fhiTPby lliit iin|>liMs,iiii und liihorroii^ liii|iiir> mi^li Imvo litufi iini:;illfi| for. .'KM. IIhvi! ilif .Soiii'liin of the I'liiirch Id whirli jnll bcloin been lroii!.|pil or iiijilulcj alioiit tlic tir.iiiii I'l iiio- ri'yniiiiln Iv llii> tiovirtiniriit lo the Mclhoilis-H .'—They Live I il^iiik III !i canHlili'mbln emenl. ;).'),'>, i>ii| ilioiii ;i:;il.ition» Hri the Preachers muki to your conference annual reports of the I'lnancial as well as Spiritual concern* of their circuit? — Yes they do. \i3S. Are the names of any missionaries that receirc pay lioin the funds of the Missionary society, of which -he llev. Joseph Slinson is the fieneral Superintendent, on the minutes of your conference ?— .Several of them. All those who are appointed by the conference are on the minutes ; some stations are supplied by persons employed by the Muperintendent, as oicasion may ari«e from lack of preachers at the time of conference. ;WJ. Does the Ucneral Superintendent report to your conference the Btat«! of the missions 1— The state of the missions is presented it ihe conference with the state of other parts of the work. 340. Does he account to your Conference for the ex- penditure of monies grained bv the Parent Society ?— He accounts to the Weslcyaii Missionary Committee in Lon- don. 341. To whom does he apply for Preachers to occupy tlie mission statmns .'—The preachers are appointed to their stations by what is called the Si loning Committee, which IS composed of ihe chairmen of districts and the superintendent ol missions acting with the President of the Con>etence; when vacancies to iho stations occur at the coulerence ho employs «uch persons as ma}- appear tohimsuitablo,thatareauthori»ed by the ciinreh to preach. 343. Are the Chairmen of Districts allowed to exercise the same power in supplying vacancies in the circuiN un- der their oversight ! — Yes. ;J43. Are the missions on which the moniei appropriat- ed by the Wesleyan Missionary Committee in London are ciipo..dc,I, regarded, in the articles ot union as the Mis- sions of the English Wesleyan Missionary Society' and do the missionaries employed in them derive ?ny per- sonal benefit or additional salary from the grants made by the government to that Sociotv 1— They are so regarde.J, —None that I know of. The Preachers connected with our iiii; V, iniy woik ran receive no inore ijinn »l al !• allowed ih. P, liy llic Mi-.ionary Coiiiiiiiiiecui ourcharcll, MCi'ordinu to iIim srfdn | lirf down in ill.- diiiipline. :ttt. |)ii r!io ins4ioniFii4 ib rin- iliiir pay from ihf HMVi'iilineiil Krauts niacin to 111.! t'.ii, m( .Society, and df ^ they m libers of your f'onlerenre, and ein yiiur confer- eiire.aiid do lliity friiiii iiii,ei,) liims tliriiii,>h iheir elation- jiiU' ConimillB' a|ipi>iiil ilin pn ai heis in ihesc mission* t— Tile giivernmeni i(r,iiin as I iinderslind arc put into tin- fiiiiN of ilm >'urent Hm ieiy in k,»ulaiid 1 MissionaricH receive iheir p.iy fniin ihine |iindr>. The Hssioonri** heloiij looiirConrerencc. 'I'he Confercnre ,|oes appoint the preachers to tliiisr inissionii, 31,'). Can tiio superinlendent eiiiplnv any preachers as Missionaries but aueli as aru approve.! by your (Jonler- enee /—It sometiiiips happens that al ihe silling of Con- fereneo there is not u sulllcient .lumbor of (ireacheri In supply the stations; msuch cases they aie supplied by the general superintendent from among such person* a* he may find dnly authorised to preach by the church. 3Ui. Is the book of discipline now shewn to vuu, ihn aulhoriseil discipline and i( so is ther«- any mlier edi- tion ? — It is Ihe authorised and last edii on ol dit ipline. 347. Have you read a section on pHifi 14, of the 7tli report of the Coinmiltee on Orlevam es I uled " Eocleii- aslieal Eslublishmenta ?— I have. 348. Doea it not appear to yuu that llie i Mowing clauioi in tliBl aection- " Tins conaista of four cla- t's of tho Mo- thodists, two conl'emnceg not in conncx. i with each other," and » the Melliodint confer, nccs li 1 uraiits ex- tended to tliem fur the first tune in 1632, r 1^33," the conference of which you aro ii inembor is im it to bo in- cluded, and baa it not in your opinion been enerally «o understood ?— How it has been generally undi i lood, Iain not able to i-jy, but it appears to ino that the cm t'eronce lo which I bolon^r is meant. 349. 1)008 It not appear to you that on pogfe 18, the clause " (ormerly tlio Methodist Kpiscopal Chiiroh" waa inserted in order lo niaku an impression that tl: moniea snid in tho same paragraph to liavi! been poid in ■'M and 1834 were paid to the contl reiico of which you at' •> mem- bur ?— and has it not thu lendeuey to make thai luprcs- sioiij— It appears to mj that it li.n a tendency to Hit effect. 350. Have you read a paragraph on page 16 cndimenc- ing with tho words "this appropriation" andendi r with the words " in tho yenr 18W" !— and another imnu ately fo:lowin3 It, coiiimoncing with i ho words " upon ,-■ ilher occasion," and ending with tho words "good under and- ing" !— I have read it sliglilly. 351.— Do you consider that by tho iMethodisla allui dto in those paragraphs and said lo be an Ecclcsiast :al ita- blialiinoi.t, thu Methodist conference with which yoi are connected i3 meant ?— and has it not been jjoiioralJ so understood .'—It could be understood in no other sense a.')2. Do you tliink that tho CommittcB on Gnevai. -a could have obtained information as to the expendituf of these monies granted by the Govornment if they had ap- plied to the general auperintcndciit of Wcsloyan Missio'iis ill Upper Canada for that information ?— 1 have no doiubt they would have obtained from him correct information b8.d they inquired. 353. Uo you mean to say that the inferences drawn im the Ku.'iort on Grievances on the subject of Governmeni grants, in relation to the Methodists and Methodist confor- enco, aro not true inferences from the public documents appended thereto !— I have not examined the report suffi- ciently to inform me, with respect to tho correctness of the inforoncess drawn from the documenta appended thereto. 354. Do you think that many people in this Province by reading and hearing the statementa inodo in the Grievance Report have been led to beliuve that Goveramont gianla have had a corrupting influence upon tho minds of the !ne:n..ir3 .-.f ihsf r.ir,i'e:eri-:e, and havu cauocd chango in their political views?— As far as I am acquainted the statements in the Grievance Report have not in my opi- nion afreeled their minds towards the preachers of our con- terencc— Their viewa of these money grants I think were generally the same before the report wsi published M they now are. 22 Evidence to Report on Religious Gnmls. ii.M I iiii BM i a ■ i i Li ai ^M. Wilt yoii r.vplain to the coirimiuivi tlin reason why ' the .Mi^SKinnry Sii])(Tiiitrn(k'nl of tin- UV.-lviii M-tlio- ' (fii-tMisbiuiis III till,) rroviiicc, ifliL' liad a lufticiilur iio- .-■oiiiit to giv so to this diiy !— 1 ciiii cru,. no iii. ' formatioii relative to tli,. siihj-cl conl,,iiiod iii r,l,o ,,ii..viioii. i .(.Ml. Do you tli.iik that till) Btiitomoiit.^ inudo in tMi i Urievanco ll( port co n.-oniirif; your coiiUr.Mice are nt.l b... i lieved by tliu pi>(.|.li> ;j,Mi.'nilly, or usi far ns vnu liiive an opportniiity ol knouiufr (||,.,r viinvs '—Thosu parts of the stateiiienis that aru erroin'ons that mav Ic niideiBlooU to imply that GoverniMciil money wa« raid dirnlly to our con- tBtonce— are not, as furaa 1 liaveknuivlcd'-e. CiJtiimillce Room, ) „ ., Mondaij, 4th April, 1830. i Comm.tteo met. ' The Rev. U.WIO CUU', calJeU in amlexamiml. 3.J7 Aro you a i\iii,i,i(>r of the Moihodi.t Epise, --al Church III Upper Canada, if fo, I.ow lon<( have you hpcn a imiiis er, and have you resided constantly in th.i J'rovince i duriiijr the ^amc tiiiio, and does your church still contiiiuo I M ,*;« '^'•■^'??a'od by that name, '-I am a niini.trr of the ' Jlethodisi I ,piscopal Church and have been for 24 veard— ' li:ive duniijr that finio resided in the Proviuc.'.-Tlio j church to Which 1 belong cont iiiues to be designated by that ! nanio.-I have in my posECss:on my credentials as a inin's- i tcr tor M years, liaviiij received them after 4 years offlcia- ting and travelling as such. " 358. Ilasyoiir church at any time received any dona- tion or grant of money from the public funds of the Pro- yince, orhavethominirtTsor members thereof at any iZ7, "ti"'''/" "'''''■''^«'' '■^° «"vernment for Bucf! grants .'-1 hey have new to my knowledge received any Mri"",'!''' ?;■"'""■ '"""^ ""y P^fifiPil or asked for any. ■M. VV ould It in your opinion bo conducive to either the spiritua or tcni|.oral welfare, peace, or prosperity of your church to receive i^uch granis-or would the members of your conlereiKo, or the people of your church be opposed to receive sucn ?-I conceive that it would not bo conducive to the peace, welfare, or prosperity of the church to re- ceive such grants-as far as 1 understana the views cf the conference to which I belong th, y are decidedly opposed auch g"ranls ""'' '""''' "''' ^ """"' S«""-"y oi'PWcd to 3G(i. What in your opinion lias br en the effct of such grants on the dinercnt denoniiiiatioiis who have received them ?-Havo they produced good or evil in a religious pom view 1-1 ground inv opinion upon the efleclsl^nch grants have had upon the dllcreut denominations receiving them by comparing their str.te at the present accordin re,x-i. ■(! ti-cm IrZ""?' '" T '''*' ""y """''' r-o- ftel satisfied to liave them continued. 363. h the conference of which you aro now n member .W-J. In what way is e|).sropacy in vonrehiin.h establish- ,. V" -M ""' I"'"^'SI"-' '"•I'i" ill (I.e disei|,line of the Me- thndi.t r,|,s.'ep,il(Jhii:-eli, it ispiovideilihia m the toKi It ciei.ta or vucancy in any wi,y, or of there being no Uish- op. t.,reo Killers can set apart a p raoii to that otlilie, which liiey have dim,'. jm. If i.s there ever horn any person known by the title of bisii ,|,.,n;ie Meihodstlipiscop,-,! Cliiii-chin Can'ida ?— he clureh liiis b' en d, signaled lu.d known as the Aleilio. dist IW'iseopul Church m Canada, but till recently there never liiivmg been sny person li.xed on, upon whom they could airree to Uil that ollice, llieru had been a Bislwp „„,. oiil). Have you a Bisl.op now w bo'ia aprointed for lif • '— We haye a RsUo,, now who is app. iiutd dur,iig good iie- I !;oml"t,' on '" '"" "*" "^ '='^"''''' "" m^^^nU on that 3G7. When had you a Bsliop j-rotempore, and at what t:n,e wa.s your trst, Bisho,, appointed !-My mtii.o-y does not terve me tutheienlly at this tune to «av when a Bishop l>ro-!emi.ore, was thus ap|>,n„ted-I can cn'lv sav that after tneamioMi.e set offfrom the connexion with 'the United .Stales, tins person was appoinnd; our fir.t Jlishop waa appoint.'o m our last annual conference, held in Trofol..ar in Juno las'. " 3(58. Ishethe same person who was your Bishop prn- lemjore !— Ho is not. ' ^ 309. Aro the ministers of your conference known ag Itinerant preachers, or are they both itinerant and local preachers ?-We have both itinerant and local prewhers- bu I would add that our local preachers liave no seat nor vole 111 oiiraniunl conterence. 370. Is your Bishop a local or itinerant prtachcr'— He '°"i-7 °' coia-se con,-iidered an itinerant preacher. 3(1. What constitutes him an itinerant preachers'— His behinging to an itinerant connexion at present. 372. What are the duties ofyour itinerant preachers '— To travel and to |reaeh the go.pel as far as health and circumstnnces will permit. K73. What do you mean by circumsionces in vour an- swer to the last question !-J nn an that there are many circumslanccs or casualties which might occur to prevent his triivelling. ' 374. Are any of your itinerant preachers allowed to fo'- low word.y calling, eueh as farming, mercliaiidizin.% &c ' Ves, OS much as it was allowed to St. Paul to follow tent making, at certain times. 375. In your anewi r to question 300, do vcu mean to be understood to say that no splits or dissensKiis took place among the aietliodlsts prior to those grants havng been made !-J5y no means, I wdhngly grant there have bten spills, but to a more serioiij extent sinco the eraniB have been receive d. " 307. You say that much agitation exists amorc/ differ, ent religious denominations since (Jovernment .'rnnti have been made to Pliginus bodies-is it your opinioTi that such grants af^e'ct the political feeling of the denominations that receive them .'-I think they do to a pretty serious extent. Mr. JA.MK.S. 11. ARMSTltOxXG called i,, andexumintd I 377. Arojou a men.Lcr.f the Alethodist Kociely?— 378 Wereyoua mcmhor of the Arethodist 'Kpiscopol Church prcvi,,,i,.|y (0 the union between the conic tnee of ,K;:^i,:^d'-i wa,"'" "''"''■^'" *^'"'"'''"' '""f^^^nceSl : 379. Had the conference of the Melhcdist Kpiscopnl church a missionary society termed the Mi.«sionary aociclv ot t,io Canada cunierence of that church '— Yis II val*' ^^'"■" y"" "■'■■'""''" °f ""»' uiissionaiy bocicty?— I 381. What is the Jl.thodist church of which you area ; member called since the unmn before mention, d '-Tli-. Ufs.eya.i .IJe'hudiat Churcii in Canada. 382, Hus the conflrence of that church a missionary oce y. tind wir t ,s it culled ?-Tno Missionary Society of the Wesh yan .Melhod.st Church in Canada. ^ " SbS. I i,i that sociity a constitution or rules by which It 18 regulated and nianoged, and can ycu furnish the corn. J-mtU. ^ ^ i^ttfu^mCi^ [No. 108.] EvicIcMicc to Report oii Religions Grants. 23 iiiittfe \vi!lia copy of ilio mine! — I Imvo not bi.cn (uniisli- t;(l WltllHIlcll rull'h SillC:> llll' Ullicll. S.S1. Do yuu kiiuw liow tlic iDisyi'iimry 'snoicty hpfnro alluiieil to is conm ctc'd vvitli tlic ciinli'icucu ot' ihu Wcs- Icyuii MolhoJist cliiircli in Ciumla, ol' wliu li church ymi s!iy you ari! ii rrivmbtr? — Tliii t'li'ii'iy i.-^ uiixlliiiry to ilio (jiiieiil bocii'iy ui LoEiiloi; — tlicn- i.-^ a .-upi'riiilciuh'.it from the ii'.iRi^iun^iiy coimnitiei; iii Lund mi who sii|ii'niili.ncl-i Hip lu.iidions ill ihis ctunlry; eoniu ol tiiu iiiissioimrics 1 be- lieve are nienihora of llio confinMici'. BSo. Art! you irousurcr of thnt auxiliary niisBionary so- ci(!iy'! — No, not this year. ;te(). ILive yuu boeii tri'aFiiriT o'' tho missionary soo'.eiy wilhm tlie two yuars past ! — Yoe, I was treasurer until the lutii ciiifcroiice. ;io7. Was the missionary pociply meiit'oned thou nnxd- i;iry tolho (inroiit Wish'yan .Metliud.st AJitsionary Society in London ! — 1 considerid it ko. SiiS. llo'.v wnrc tlin monies then recoivd by yon for the u?ed of tiiat enci^'ly. nnd hinv were they iiccountcd for! — I beg to hand in (o the coinmit'ee thi! I'i:st answer I can pive to the (iii"Hlion, tlio r'lior'd of tho iii'fsluimry Hociety for the yeiir.1 InU4 a-,d lg;j5, ir, wliieh will bo fouid the reco pto and 'Xiiendiiures of all monica connected with the society. (For receipts and rxpeiidittires see G. & H.) y^iO. Tlie committee perceive by t lie two rr.'ports you have handed in, that in that of W-H tlio nionirs paid are ac- counted for in detail, and in that of IWJ.'jthcy are nuf! — Can you explain I liu reasons of t'lo ditr;rence' — The last re- port was made up when I was not at home, — I e.vpect by Mr. Stinson fioin my bo ks — I iiave no doubt buta detailed account was liid belbre tiie corforence. 3til). The comiiiitiee perceive an item in tlie receipts of " Canh from tlie I'aienl Society in London ilrawu at dif- ferent times duiin;; the year lfi;M" JJlf'l);! 1 0. ("iinyou explain the nature of that tiiinsactioii .' — jlr. titinsoiiwas in the habit of drawing; on the missionary eonimitlee in Loudon lor iiioupy as it was re(|uireil and liiuioinfj the same over to me as treasurer to meet liie demandi of the lUISBlOUS. ;.W1. IJo you recollect how miicli of that snm was drawn for on London by Mr. Slinsou. Slatr if y.ui please the amount as a whole, or in sepnate sums i — I consider he drew on llie committee in London for the amount of XLSyj 1 iiienlioiied in the report of Icol— i caunot say in wliat piirticiilar sums. oW. Did he state to yon when he paid money over to you, as receiveil ihroimii the Parent i^iociely — it was mo- ney he had obtained by the sale of hills drawn on the treasurer of the Parent Society .' — 1 do not recollect that lie told lue that piirlicuhirly — I have heard him say that he had sold bills to dill'creut individuals, I never enquired |uiriicularly. 'Mi. Do yon believe the whole .nmoimrof Xl^HO 1 was moneys drawn for on the Parent i^ocieiy in London by I'.ill of L'.xcliaiige .' — I have said befoie it was drawu at dilfereiit times; part of it 1 believe was recived iliio' Mr. Marsden and paiil by him as lrea:-iirer of the Alissi- oiiary Society In London when he was in ihi-i country. y;)-L In the IJhii.itian (Juardian itinsoii for which ( cannot account. \iVA't. Can yiu explain lu the cuiiiiiiittee how it is that Ww two sun-.s io:al oi the pubiishcd account in the tju..r- dian of moneys received, and that in the missionary re- port, agree exec pt in one itemtf money paid lo Mr. Slin- soii ! — in my report the amount is included in one sum, but iu the pa|)er it is divided iutu two items to inaku the umtter mure explicit. ;)'.I7. .\reyou aware of any (Jovernnient crants being m:ide lo the Parent Society of the Missionary Society of yoiireliurch tiiid under what authority were they made .' — I know nothing excentriom tepoit. ;)!H. Do you approve of sm h grants oeing made and for such ptirpo.ses .' — .\sl considered this grant was made for the benefit of ihe Indians, I cm lind no fault with it, inasiiiui h as the moneys paid arose from the sales of the lands which unce belonged to Iheiii, us 1 consider they did. ;>n9. Po you believe that this is the general opinion of ilie miiiisiers of your church ami of iho conterence ol your church ? — It is impossible for me to say how far that opinion extends. 41)1). Would you approve of Government grants being given for missionary purposes to tl f Catholic cliiircli j among the Indians .' — If they should expend lite grant in the education of the Indiaus iu reading, &c,, I liave cu 1 objection. I 401. Do you believe it is only right and proper for the Ooverr.meut to grant for missionary purposes lo the Wes- ' leyan Methodist Church? — 1 think my answer to the last I question answers this. I 402. Po you think that Government has not a right to I bestow its bounty for missionary purposes on any religi- j 0U9 sect and society it may clumse to select for the pur- I pose 1 — It is not for me to dictate to Goveriiinent the I manner it shall distribute grants for missionary purposes; and where moneys are judiciously laid out in civilizing the Indiaus, I do not object to any religious body being the agent for that purpose. 403. Are you of opinion a missionary society of any church can teach Christianity, or do you believe Christi- anity consists in any set of rel.gious opinions ! — I be- lieve that triany t hristian societies can teacli cliriitianity. 404. Was any part of the imiount drawn through Mr. Mar-den from moneys granted by iha Government to the Parent Society ? — I think I have said that Mr. Htinsou drew on Mr. Marsden as treasurer for the Alissionary So- ciety iu London fur part of the moneys received frointhe- I'arent Society. IIRV. Mr. I'lVANS agaiii called in and cxamlnid. 40.5. Do you approve of grants by Government being made to the Parent Society of the Missionary Society of your church for niissiimary purposes ? — 1 think it is per- I'ectly right for the (nivernment to make such disposition for missionary purposes of any moneys which are consti- luliunally at its disposal as may be in its opinion most conducive to the interests of those who are destitute of religions instruction when by so doing the salary of no pr.acher would be augmented or his personal interest proiiMted. 4(i((. Do you think that th's is a rreneral opinion among t'.io luembL'iK, lay and ecclesiastical i f yuur cl.oicli .' — 1 biu not aware that any ineniberof our chnrcii would be oj'pos- f d to the goveriinient inukinj,' i,ucli appri.priat.ons for mif- smiiarv purposes hh an; in accordance with it- coiisli.uti: iial I'.OAcrs, and lie expuiditure of wli eh would |iroino;o the f^j) r.tiidl and eteroul iiili ri sts of niackiiid w,ll,Oi,t aognient. iiig the regular disciplinary al!owiince ot any |ireacliur; but I bi'hevo II. at the wliulo of them as Well as myself would siroi{>iy disappiovi? of aiy Goveriumiit ;;rant beiuf; r. cei- vi d iiidiT ciicnnii;taiice.s t!\ t would let d in any degree to the teiii| (iral ag^rand zeineiit ol the pieacliers, by ciiabhii^ them to iice.ve any, cvi.n the tin.iii. at salary ovcT and above tho regnl.ir aiiuuahco made Ly the discipline, bt- can e, if r- ce;ved u..iler sin li cinnm.staiict.'S it m glit exert u toriiiptii y II llueiiie n|!Oiithe preach. Ts, andiiiduco men to enter tlie 111 iiiLtiy lulu niotives of pecuniary gain and wi'hoiit Hat due irga.d tothefieodof tools by wliich alone the cl.rlBti.in n.in ^liy oi ij'it lo b' acteiued. 'iii7. Do you uppiove oi' Geven.nieiu j^rants oi" luoury leado for m.s.ioiiary puiposcs beiu^' devo;idlothu payment ofsalaii.«to 111' mi tubers id' your co iferi'nce or such pri'ucliers i.oi nil mbi IS of yiv r ^oiilereii.o i inployed by your c'lUi'iii as m .-u o ar.i d ! —1 can see no in. propriety in llm comualtco of the Parent iJucieiy under whose dirtuiioa 2 4 Ev!,lc,.c cjo Report „„ j^^y^^.^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ the Wosloyan Missions i:, il.is Provinro nro Mncod roroiv .n{, .?rni, IS fro,,, tho (Jovonm.e,,,, if ,„,.„, a. ulo.,^ •„,.']■ widiuiit iiifin.l „„ 11 ^"""""'' P'i7'i»0rfiii IIiernis.*ion work j I'y Covornmont for roliirioi,., pnrnopcR .„ ,1 «• ct,ri.;.ans i„ n.,, provmre ?-Ll T,™ '° •''"^'f^'" sects of '}i(. I'o you !;iiow wl'Hi fl,,.j vvli-i, muliority worn tho rr', ^'^TT'.""' ""d ""'icr ^■^M I,,mdon|.i,l,c„,n^^? '\''''^;'''--I '">ow that i„ Rr...,„, of n,„,,,,yV,;u ,7'., ; r '^ 'i!'^," «"»'",Oover„or for " "»^^i::^ZS:X:l:f^^^ at its first 8,„i;, r ,.,1 at'"»'|.n hv ,1, '"'" ""'"P'''''' '^en or heard him com lairbu iLt ;^™'"''"^'p ?-I have not sionary societv^.f^Tr ch •cl,''-T h^^r "';'"' '"i^- years of the oni,,,,,,; tl.n, ,i ," „ i '"'^'' '"^'^" 'or some with tho pnrit pl^o ;,,f'„7 lYfTr' """""• ('^°"^'«'«"' compensation for reiyou,::"?!;"' •:'!!• "^ ""^ '^'^S^^'^ "H C";'"'""" °f 'ho Canad,a,,°TSr^?f,'^r"'''J^ "" I do not approve of 1,, and jb iev ? '" " «""/"="■- "'^''^PPl}';'>fe""a"y further gra, is 2o ,n '"""'^'^ '"^'^''■ the^con.re„ce -vhie./i b^JiX^ t^^-J ^m^rt^t^H!;!, ^^ -g^' ^^ ^,r ;:^-;;^J c^;" r?^;^j!:;:;^;- :: --"-others Of yonr j ^ Sl^^^t^'^Sir ^ ^^ F^^o^ld -te^ir:^zrfSfvF"^ y^arssinco, nhno t , a ,ol7''' ! '7'°''°" ^"^-' " '""^^ ^ ""y "'« «'Hermem fo?^h J L^""" "' """'-'y b^i^ff ".a.le roin the p„b!i. fu„d.. to , t 'h " ™ I '" "'■""''"S aul : gious body ?-ln tie co,,,',,,,; ;''r""y/'''''«''^« "I" any re , I reco loot at tho couir.r^,"\^'^^^'' .nstnutions. | office to „!e it was statoT.rt ,, T '" "" ^"'"^'"^nl »PpIy to t)ieJ,Pj,i,|aturo of thhrrwinr"'""^ '""•''"'' '° "'e CritiBh Wuslevnrw '*'"^ * certain su,, <" aid our mi.s:o„s ainoi. ' 2'"'=° ^ f "''""' "f^™ I the Canadian Wes , va„ c„ „f ^'"" ' """^ " '"''"""' «""' " "|.[>a^r.d. ben,., only u^",. ,d 1 I i! '"'!"'' V''^ '''^^"'^'"y I ' '"^l'<>ve is in the Sow nU^R "?*-"• "'i"^"' ' ^'W of 2 '2 - coi.d.r, and^he men b of iir ch rM T "" '""^■'^^ ""^ ' ^^- ^V^'"" effi n,t!;'".'''f IP":' "" Grievances' '"'"'='' Iinowlrdf,'o, giveu any iiid .'a, om oP, T^'' ''"*" ""'■ '" "'V •'- -ly--. Except Ae'ni' ^;^'^^:^-Se of opinion o?; ^ionsr-alftr ':;;:: '',!;; y"-,-"'^'r^nce i^ one of i„ sos. als»recoi,,mo,di,iiai ,''''■''' '" ^PPor C«„ad,, aL and n,ini«ror.s ho Idt to he vni , ? ""' " ""''"'• P^'-'^'hors, known rlpi; 0'^!']:::^:;^ ""","'"^'' "•""'• ""> -"- ernor. to tli.. appli '„■ " ^,f «^"". '"te Lioutenant.Gov- ^nce to his E Jelk,:',; ^ ' ' ^^ ^— ' f of your confT- It was. ■' "y " ''f 'he foot of tho throne ?— "•'■-" "'waius uuiiUin afinrwarda abandoned. v.. „„» •■i'on .ny application to t ho Go^J^;/!?'^'-''' ^~As ,t was rnade I desire to rohear.o ,0 tl e "Zn ,; '" ««"' was first the statement made by t„ the conf renl , "" ''"^P"" of ormed them of money being at ?her .,,1'","'°/'""^ ' '"' Ihom diHtmctly that the u,o,!oy« ifven to'^r'- ^ ''"'"^ '" nus denominations were take/oin nf , ^'•'*'"'' ''ohgi- tonal revenue a fund at t.m d sZa^of t'l? '''""' "'"^ '""" ffat.ve right.and wlulo i, so reu "i ?ha thn'.T ^^ P'"°- Wosleyan) mijrjii very fairly av il thnf , y'^"'°'-''"a'lian benevolence in'reccvm.r itfbut t ,a i"'''''"'' °' '"^ roval wou d be better this fund w'ereTr ;.,;;'!: ,7 "P'"-.". ,t the Provincial Legishiture which r..,h} ,'1 ""-" <=ontro: of Sotiating for .t; as was tlij Le will ,?" ' *" ''°"^' ''y '^^- 14lh Geo. 3rd, and should the n ,ost on rn?T',-'''-^ °^ 'h« semb;y ,„ „ proper shape and be d rposer,?'-''''^' "'^^" ••able way during my time of 9, rvi^o h * " *" "'"'ca- 't n,y ,„ost cordml support. Th^iblc ",";•'" / "'""''' S'^'"' being made a matter of disculon H^ h "^i;'-'''fc"o"« granta eyan conference in ita So ,o„ o7 ^'t <-»"^"'"n \V>s. the nogafivo af my Instance ' * ^'""^ Parsed in Sc;^'o?;r^^ST^-r^^-^-^-he 4il. Wha en t ha ur "^'P^ "" Grievances """=" oftheCanad■f,^^;.:!:KXT:nd^ P":j,oses you anticipated wh'n von hV "fy «"**>*'«' paid Joliti ftlcGwiii, school •caclier, To paid Moscj Walker, iiativt exhoricr two years To jiai'l John Doxlater, naiive oxhorter two years, To pujd Joseph Doxtater, iuter- pretor two years, To paid Inr iiiaterials for new sclionl lioiise To paid Miss Hurlbart, "soii'ool teacher To paid Cor Ccirriiture for niission hoii?e To paid for iirinting rules in In- dian, *, To paid for books for schools,. 75 2C 2G 13 30 MOHAWK MISSION, To paid iMr. JohosoTi, teaclier.. , To |)aid for class, nails, &c. for dwelling house , To paid Mr. Matnt, school lei ther 4 10 1 .-i 1.5 REV. J. FLAN.\G.\.V, ca'.UJ in and examined. tho*!v,n?ii'r^w" ^^"''1 "r'"*"' "f tlio conference of ^Jo » " ^^'•"«l"y''n M,.tl,od:st Ci.urcl, ?_I was tinfof-Iwis.''"'' ^°''''"^ "»• that conference at any 4tt. lluve you nnv knowlMdiro of certain rrrants of mo- ney |,,ivin<; boon ni.do to llml cnforonce, and if .o will werp t'r,inted?-rii.^rew..ro crnriui t'rantsmade to that ItCJ was i.bOO 8t.rli).!T, and in the year 18^4 jC3jO stPr- ST. CLAIR MISSION. To paid for repairing of mission buildings To paid T. McGee, inlerprelei-. To paid do. family travel hng expenses To paid otlier interpreters and exhorters , 31 1 10 6 8 212 what manner 42 14 9 14 37 10 SAnOEKNQ MISSION. To paid D. Sawyer, interpreter, To ])aid do. do. To paid do. (ravelling es- pcnses, To paid IMr. Hurlburt, teacher,. To paid do. travelling expenses. To paid for freightage of sundry articles, To paid for building materials, glass, nails, &c., , C 5 13 2 11 40 17 10 2 17 02 10 3 7 To CONTINGENCIES. ^ paid for tuition of Henry Steenhour at Cazcnovia two years To paid for stoves for mission house, To paid for printing Indian disci- pline, &;c., To pnid for furniture fur mission houses, Te paid expenses of native ex liorters to L. Nipissing To paid for statiouary for schools! 57 11 11 17 5 11 439, Were a nient paid to any fcrence, excepting native preachers ?— No part of those I grants was paid to any members of the Conference, but native preachers. 440. Were you ever required before this either liy the Government of this Province or the Legislature thereof, to account for the expenditure of these moneys ?— I was not^ required to give such account, the Parent Society !r,3,-p=(he :jccount to the Govtrument, und I account loi Ihe Parent Society. 444. Gun you inform the committee ,„ w,mt manner ""^ ''^. ,f-7''"t "f/000 .terli.g was expended --Th"" were $3^'0or £80 paid to tii. Uov. James Jackson for he c aims on the conference, the resoiutio., of ,l,o contence ordering the pnyment of tins sum was as follous ; "'"-"'-^ tl/f . 7 '"'^ there be jrranted to KIder Jackson, of the funds .., tho conference, the suni of jr'55, on accuun of all his claims to this date. (.lime 18;J3) *'•'-""'" i^cZn that\trxir^'"^ '"" ^^■"°'^-"' ^^^-^ Tiie sum of about X300 was paid (o Dr. AIcKenzx or TuJJJ ''°T'""'' ''"^""' '"'"'""" ^'Btablishinent ' The rest, as far ns my knowledge extends, was -iven for the purpose of chapois. . ""o ^ivlu 443. What were the claims of Elder Jackson, which you mentioned in your former answer whici, were named n the resolution and from what source wcreTlio furXof the conference derived ?_Hi8 claims were for fa" y .s minister to the connexion, the money obtained fVom ,ho GC 13 5 f'''l';'^«f,W''''ou. $151 uhi.h I brought 10 the clf^^^^^^^^^^ The following re.o:utio:;e parsed ti.e eonfere e'^' Aloved and carried, that tn'ro be paid i, advance to each of the m,fs,o,mries or agents of the prim iresta bhehmentthesumof £25. l"'"mgts[a Moved and enrricd that all the monies in tho hand, of brother John Wihson, to and for the use of our people and at the .Impojal of tho eonf.rence be paid by 1 im to the order of the Printing Office. ' 446. In the 8:>vo,,i,h report of tho committer on eri-v. ancea there is a document bearing your so-nnture as {■!e cretary of the Canadian Wc.l.yair Method'^t Conf." nee' purporting to be the resolutions pa-sed by tliat conference' directing the manner in which any grant that migk be made by His Majesty's Government that year eIiou d b^ expended, IS that document correct ?_Tliis,s correct 447. \Vas any money granted that year by the Govern itient to I hat conference, and if po was it expend >d in the manner directed in those resolutions 7— There was as he fore Btated ; and it was applied for the purp,., .« mentioned' excep^ tho HUm of £20, which was pa d o Mr Jjckson The Trustees of the London, St. Thoin-.s and Ve.mVehn' pels, signed receipts in full for tho whole amount tliey w . i Rev. James Jackson, the above sum of £20, the ,„,'', .either £15 or £17 was likewise given to me toward tl?e estibhshmg a mi.-^eun in this c.ty. 448. In your rep'y to qneetioii 445, it appsars that part of h. grant was l-a.d to Kkler Jackson ns a m^ss.oimry wha. was ho nature of that mission ?-Thp nature of it was to collect debts ■' ' ■• ■ ■ °' "■ 129 15 7 112 11 11 £1011 2 2.t ——-—_- __ was to collect debts due to tho printing cslablishmenf, fo ny of the moneys granted by the Govern- J '"" P''P"''' '^»"eci the " Canadian Wce'oyan," h- acted as ly of the members of Ihe Canadian Con- 1 ''Se""'"'''"'P""i"ti"C committee. / . ••-"'niaiiJi^rfii^i'i-ftn'i'tVrii'HiV- \o. 108.] nd eiamintd. llio conferenco of li ? — I wa». inference at any iin grants of mo- K, anil if to will ml purposes tlicy lilts made to tlni't u sum granted in 18a4 di;3jO Btnr- ■ buildings in tliu in wliat manner pciided ;_7"hrT.," Jackson for Ins r ilio conference "iillou's : Idcr J.ickpon, of 'J55, on accuunt I). IJiivid Broaken- as pan of ilieir lim paid to Mr. r. AIcKrnzic, or ablisliincnt. inds, was given Jackson, which cli wore named ere the funds ot e fur ealjry ts .lined fmm tlio and of thu> con- tl.econfeicnce. conference : — 1 in advance to printing esta- 1 llic liand.-i of our people and by lilm to the t'e; on gricv. fnniure as Ho- ist Conference, lat conference, that might be •car should bj IS correct. y the Govern- pond3d in the o're was as be- e 19 mentioned Mr. Jickson. ti Vienn.i cha. unt thi'y wrr; 1 tlirin to the X tlio sum ot 2 towards the Bars that part a m-Sfonary, nature of it ilishmcnf, for hi acted as lO. 108.] Appendix to Report on Religious Grants. 27 APPENDIX TO Till REPOUT AND ETIDEITCE TAKEN BV THE Sflett eoiHiwfttce ON GOVERNMENT GRANTS. ARTICLES OP UNION. The English Wosleyan Confer'nee, roncnrrin;' in tlic communication of the L'anadinn (,'(inf. ronce and d'^procalc tiie evils which nrght arise from collis on, and heliei'irg tlint tl.o cause of re ii,'ion goiiorjily, and tlie intere.-ts ot Methodism in particular, would, u:ulcr the bles.^in^jorUod, be greatly promoted hy the unit d cxeriioiis (.(""the two connexions; considering al.-o, that the two bodies coneur in holding thedoctrmes of Meilmd sm as coniamed in the Notes of Mr. Wesley on the N(jw Test uneiil, and in hie four volumes of Sermons, do agree in the adoption of the following Resolulions: — Jst. That such a union between the Knglish and Ca- nadian co^ne^ioliS, as shall jueserve inviol ■•e the rights and privileges of the Canadian I'reachers and societies on the one hand, and, on the other, sliiill secure the funds of the English conference against any claims on the pait of the Canadian Preachers, is highly important and desi- rable. 2nd. That [as proposed in the second and third resolu- tions of the ('anadian conference] in order to cd'ejt ihi- object, the Discijiline, Lconomy, and lorm of church (jovermeut in general of the Weslcyan Methodists in I'.ngland be introduced iato the societies in Upper Cana- da, and that in particular an annual Presidency be adopt- ed. 3rd. That the usages of the English conference, in re- ference to the probation, examination and aclniission of candidates into the Inteuerant fliinistry, he adopted.* 4ih. That Preachers who have travelled the usual term of probation and are accepted, by the Canadian conference shall be ordained by the imposition of the hands of the President, and of three or more of the Se- nior Preachers, according to the form contained in Mr. Wesley's " Sunday morning service of the Methodists," by which the Wesleyan Missionaries in England are or- dained, and which i< the same as the form of ordaining Elders in the Discipline of the Canadian conference. 5th. That the English conference shall have auiliority to send from year to year, one of its own body to preside over the Canadian conference ; hut the same person shall not be appointed oflcner than once in four years, unles-i at t!ie request of the Canadian conference.— When the English conference docs not send a Presiilent from I'.ng- Ian I, the Canadian conference shall, on its assembling choose one of iis own members. The proposal of the Canadian conference is understood to include, as a matter of course, that the President of the conference shall exercise the sa'ne functions general- ly as the present general Superintendent now actu:illy ex- ercises; he shall not however have authority lo appoint any Preacher to any circuit or station, contrary to the counsel and a Ivice ofa majority of the chairmen olDiitrict or Presiding Elders, associated with him as a stationing committee. Cth. That the Missions among the Indian tribes and •This IB understood both by the Canadian Conference and tlio Represenlativos from the Britisli ('onfercnce to refer to no other modifications in the econumy of Msthodiam in Upper * mads, that! lliose which have tsk'*ri place ut this Confir- mee ind that the Canadian Book of Discipline has heretofore provided for. destitute settlers which are now, or may be hereafter es- liblishecl in I'ppi'i Canada, sha I be reg'ardcd as Mitsions of the English Wesle) an Missionary Society under the lollowiiig regulations ; — /■'iM/.— 'i'he P.irent Committee in London fihall deter- mine the amount to he applied annually to the support and extension of the Missions; and ihissnin shall be dis- iributed by a committee consisting of the President, (Jen- eial Superintendent of the missions, the chairman of dis- tricts and seven other person.=! appointed by ihe Canadian confeience. A standing Hoard or coinniiltee consisting of an equal number of Preachers and i.ay-men, shall moreover he appoin'ed as heretofore at every conference, which during the year, shall have authority in concur- renee with the General Superintendent of missions, lo apply any moneys granted by the I'aient Coiiiimiee and not disiributed by the tonl'erenee in establishing new missions among the heathen, and and otherwise promot- ing the Missionary >"oik. tieco'id, — The M( thodist Missionary Society in Upper Cai.ail.i shall be auxiliary to the English Wesb yan Missi- onary Society and the moneys raised by it ehall be jiaid in. to Uii funds of the parent society. Tliird, — Tlie Missionaries tliiill ho stationed at tlio Can- ada conference in the same way as the other prrachers; with this proviso, how ,jver, tlrit the general superintendent of missioas shall be assjciated with the president und chairmen of districts in their appointmont. Fourth, — All the preacliers wlio may be sent f.-om this couiiiry^into the work in U|q'er Canada i-hall Lo meinberd of the Canadian Coif ■ronce and s lall be placed under Ihe same discipline, and he entitled to tiie same rights and pri- vileges as the native prcnciiers-* Fifth, — Instead of iiaviiig tin annual stations of the missionaries sent home to the Engliiih Missionary Commit, tee and conference fit their "8ajielioe,"as is the case with our missions generally, and as the Canadian CoDf.rence have proposed, the Englisli Conferoneo thall appoint, andthepirent committee shall meet the expense of sup- ptsrting a general superintendent of missions, as the agent of the committee shall have the same superintendence of the mission stations, as the cha rinaii of dslricts or pre- siding Elders exercise over tlie eircuiis in their respective i!i.4triciF, mid shall pay l!ie missionaries their allowance as deteriiiined hy the Conference Missionary CoiiimittGe on the same scale us the Canadian b'lok of Discipline lays down for the preachers on the regular circuits : -but who, being nt the same time recognized as a ir.ember of the Canadian conference shall be accountable to it in regard of his religious and moral conduct. This General Super- intendent of missions representing the parent commitee in the Canadian conference, and in the stationing and missi- onary committees, the appo;ntmenlB of the missionaries at t le conference shall he ti lal. 7tli, — Th'it th') Canadian Conference in legislDting fur its own members, or the connexion at large, shall not^at any lime make any regnlarion which shall infringe these arti- cles of agreement betwem the two conlerences. Signed by order and on behalf of the conf Tence. UICllARD TREFFRV, President. EDMUND GRINDROD, Secretary. Manchester, August 7th, 1633. Resolred.—'T\\\i the Canadian Conference cordially con- curs 111 tlie resolut.o 18 of t!ie British Conference, dated " Manchester, Augut 7ih, 1833," as the basis of union be- tween the two conferences. F.GERTON RYERSON, Semlary. York, U. C. October 2nd, 1833. » The understanding of this article ie that the C^nadin Conferenco shall employ eueh young men in Upper Canada as llipy may judge ore called «f God, into the ileneran work; but sli luld not a sullicient number be found in Upper Canada propsriy quaiiiiod, liio Uritish CuufBronce will send out ai maify young men from England h may b« requeited by the Canadian Conference. 28 Appendix to Ueport on llcligious Grants. [No. 108.] Sir, B GOVKRNMEUT IIoiSK, ) Toronh-i, 'Mill June, 1835, ) I am iliroctfld by the l,icuren;int GoviTiuir to »c- quaint yiin wild rnl'crcnce tii yuur lutlor of thcii'Jiii in>tanl. iliatlhe 8IIIIIH grantrd m aid of the (JilHrcnt chiirclirs ii t^aniwln wure all sanctionnd, in coii8i(| leiicwof pptilioi.s K Hi9 MajcKly'B (iOverniii'>nt— and at ilii' tinuMlie appro (-nation alluded to in your coinniunicaimn was iiiadt-, Hi J ~ J " -.■ ..w I ••I'j'u.-i.u Hit- TT rDit-^ uii i.iir;illl>lll9U m thin Province were under the control of the British con ferppoe. For any further informition you may rrquire on the sub- jvyt I am (lirt'ctrd lo p ftr you lollie torreKpondcnco which was la.U before the Homo of Assembly laslsession. 1 am, &.C. A true Copy. ^^^^ ROWAN. c Extracts from Minutes of Conmitlee held May 11(A 1831. Mr. Ryerson, from Upper Cunadi, arcompanied by the Rev. Peter Jones, a converted Indian Chief, were intro- duoed to the Committee, having stutenienig (o make, and arrangements to proposr, rcgjecling the proeetutii.n of the Missions in that Province, andespe.ially among the Indian Iribes. After hearing their slatementg, and considerins what might be the probable , flecis of iheir plans on their own Missions and miss onary subscriptions it was Resolved Ist.— That Mr. Turner be immediately written to, to enquire rcapectiiig the facilities which may exist as to the commencement of a JUiss on to the Indians m Upper Canida among tuch tribes ns have not yet been visited by missionaries, such mission having been lone con- templated. * 2nd. That a grant of the sum of three hundred pounds be made to Me-srsrs. Ryersnn and Jones for the use of the Missions already commenced among the Indian.'? by the Canadian Methodist body ; as a pr„of of christian and btotlierly atfection to our Canadian brethren. 8rd. Thnt in consequence of mis grant, the brethren Ry- frson and Jones have agreed and will be expected to ffive their best assistance to onr friends at such ineetings us Ihry muy have opporlunily of attending while they re- inain in England wiihout making private and personal ap- plicaluns fur siuscriptions to any of our own friends. Loiulon, IVesteyan Missirm House, ) The Rev. W>i. Casp, ' &c. &c. Sic. Dear Urotiier : At the instance of the missionary committee, I now transmit to you a copy of the lesoluf inns entered into by thorn, on the iniroduction of Mepsrs. Rv- crson and Jones, and receiving their statements -elative to yourm^ssions and the ol ject of the visit of ihe deputation to England, fliey rejoiced to receive liiem as brethren and sincerely congratuinttd iheni on the success with which your missionaries have been f ivored, by the blessing of God areong the native tribes of Indians. An impresHion, d ■eo, aflcctionate and highly fiivorable lo th« Indian mission has been made by the addrrsscs nt Brother Jones at onr own and several other public moetinas of a benevolent charac- ter, as well as by the amiableness, intelligence and piety of his general in:erconrso with ourselves and onrfne'idHin difterent places. VVe exeoedingly regret the severe indis- position by which he has for some weeks been prevented rom more genernlly visiting our societies in other parts ol j'lie kingdom, but from whicf, we are thankful to hear he is now recovering and are therefore hoping that he will soon 1)0 m » stale of coiivalesconce. During his sickness which occurred at Bris'o, and which there is roason to believe ongmited m a v--.-ieni cold taken by travelling on tho out- eido of the coach (rom Liverpool to London immediately •Aer his arrival, he haa been at tho house of a mogt kind I and attentive friend, Mr. James Wood, jun. son of our ve- ' ii'Table brother the Rev. James Wood, where he has re. icoived every medical and domestic attention. Mr. Ryer- ^1"'., who :esides at the mitsion house continues in jrood , health. * From Ihe annexed '■ Resolntions" yon will observe that ho con, iniitee have decided upon eomineiicng their long juiilemphitrd mis.-uni to the Indians, convinced that whcrw lie tlihl ,s fo wide there need be no liar of any unpleasant or conflic'iiig feelings ammig the .iimsionarii s who may bo employed. Tliu idea was siiggetted to your d>'pulation Majesty's (iovernmnnt tupposed the Wesleyan Methndisls I "'' 'y*-"' ' "" J'l''" ^as siiggetted to your deputation in this Province were under the control of the British con. ' ^^'''^y'": " ^^'""''' l"' ng'-'''ahle to yon lo place the whole of your ln4 an missions ui d> rour direelion, as we miirht per- I aps succeed in raising Hinds for a greater extent of niisBi- oiiary operation that could bo at present raised by your, selves ; but us tlicy seemed to think the proposal would not be accepted, tiny leeolved lOBiiew their brotherly kindness and intetcst in the succcfs of the mission to the aborigines of Amwica, by a donation of £300 lo whch they were the more readily induced by a wish to accomplish a part of th? cibjectof your deputation, which they understood to be lliatef raising funds by soliciting subscriptions and dona- tions, but which they were aware could not be done in ad- dition to the applications of their own preachers and friends wilhont fome danger of painful collision. They were hap. py to liiid the propisal met the npprebalion of both Messrs. Ryerson and Jones, who eoiisrqiintly agreed not to make applicat on lo any ( f our Own friends, reserving tho liberty of applying to those of other denominations, vTho wore not contributors to our own funds, Tney also agreed to assist at any public meetings we might wish them to attend dur- ing their siay in this ciuntry, all travelling expenses being borne by the missionary coniinitlee. You will also perceive by the above » RoBoIulions," that whilst the committee desire to manifest the most cordial affection to their American Brethren and entertain a sin- cere wish for the prosperity of their missions, they feel themselves obliged lo state their conviction tliat applica- tions from other quarterR to the Societies in England would beboh inju.'ious to their own fundi and involve the con. nexion in unpleasant party disputeg.and con8eqiienlly,that m case of any tuture attempt to raise such contributions from our friends, they would regard it as an imperative duty to diseounte: ance them. Your offlciil letter will, in course, agreeably to your de- sre be transmitted to the President, to be hud before the ensiling conference, from whom you will moft probably re- ceive a reciprocation of friendly and brotherly commuiii cation. ' In the mean time — I am, On the behalf of the Weeleyan Missionary Committee, Youi- affectionate Brother in tho Gospel, JAMES TOWNLEY, Hecretari/. By order of the conference the resolutions of the Lon- don Methodist Missionary Committee held the 11th May, and the accompanying letter from the Rev. Dr. Tmvnley' dated London, Wesleyan Mission House, June 13ih, l&jl,' addressed to the Rev Wm. Case, were taken into coiieid^ eraton, after carefully considering tie several 8ubi,,cts r«- ferred to in these documents, it was resolved 1. It is a matter of tbankf ilnosg to Almighty God and to onr Methodist brethren in England, that Mte^■rs. Ryerson and Junes have been kindly received and emerlained in their mission to Great Britain ; and ih it the addresses and intercourse of Mr. Junes have produced upon the public mind in that count y •• an impression deep, aft'ectionats and highly favonrablo" to the cause of ni'ssioni. •2. That it alTords ns much pleasure to learn that our Methodist brethren in Great Britain teel a deep interest inp the christianizition and improvement of the aboricrmes of British North America. " 3. That our sincere thanks be given to the Methodist missionary committee in London for the "rant cf threg hundred pounds in a,d of our Indian Missions." " 4. That we learn with deepest regret that in a measure wh.ch so seriously conceroa \be interest of tLo Methodist o. 108.] [No. 108] Appendix to Report on lleiic^ious Grants. 29 . son of our ve. ere liij hi\s ro- ll. Mr. Ryer- itinueg in good ill observe lliit :.ng tlipir lotijr ic((i that whero any uiiplfusant IS who iiiny bo our d'puia'ion ;e the whole of we might pur- xterit of niieii- aiscd by your, iiosal would not Jierly kindness the aborigiueH 1 ch they werr iipiixh a part of nderetood to be ions and duna- be done in ad- rre and friends 'hey were hap. f both Mes.'^rg. d not to make ■inw the libirly who wore not ^reed to asriist to atiend dur- xpenses being slulions," thnt ! most cordial nlcrtain a ein- ons, they frcl that applica- iuehnii tvoulil olve the eoii- luenily.that in rihutione from rativc duty tu ly to your i]r. lid before the t probnbly re- rly comiiiuiii, jommitteo, 111 the (iospi'I, iSecretarif. s of the Lon- lie lUh Mav, Dr. Townley, le 13!h, lasi, » inio consid- .1 8ubj..ct8 r«- y God and to urs. Kyer.soii ivertained in iddres'jes and 111 the public aftectionatB II. earn that our p interest ing' aborigines of le Methodist ant of shrsa n a measure ta Methodidt connexion in ITppcr Cnnadi, our mssionary operations in pnrticulnr, and the honor of M' ■lodism and ciins" ot rcli- jrinn {Tciicriilly, onr brethrin nf lliu i.oiulnn Al. tliudisl MlPHiuiwiry coinni.tti'p Imve, without roihiultinjj the r .Mi'- Ihodift brethri'ii in Upper (,"iihoi!ii, deti r.ninnd to cslabliBh a inistion nmonj; ut, ei'parato from our co'ini xion. 5. That tli»i loriiiaiion of a diftinrt Mcthoilipt FOci.ty or Focirliop III Upper (.'anada, by Iho London Method, st Alis- sioniiry coimoit ec is contrary lothi' lUKhTcmndinpf whii,-h las hi ri'lolbru been given by tlip Erplifh coiifiniiee that their nii-p O'lnr.es phoiild not firm aociitii » pcparale (rom ours in Upper Canada ; whilst at the sinie tinio our Mis- fionari"9 wero not lo interfere willi the nrrangi'inents or I'pernlions of Ihcir missions in Lower Ciinada. 0. "'hat It would be a matter of very d 'pp regrp" phnold Ihc Methodist M fsionary coniiiiilteo in l^ondon deturinine to CRtnbliHli a mifisiop in Upper (nnnda nmnngany of the Iiidan tribes s tnnted north r.iul past of Lake Huron, ns all thepe parts of the Province are einbraccd within the actual lahours of our conference ; as onr own missionaries have witli preiteror less f iiccesu, visited nil tiles'! irihes, and we have csiahl shed missions or regnlnr missionary ap- pointiiientK among th. m all ; — asno mii-.sionary society be- yond thf! Ailanlic can pofsiKS the same lacilitHS wiihours of doing an (Mpial amount of goi d with the snme m"ans ; — ns the formation of a Methodist e iciety in Upper ('annda, diFtinrt (rom thnt already rstablislied is a disavowal of the already recogn zed principle that "the Wtxleyan Metho- dists are one in every part the world" ; it will in all pro- bability produce serious misunderstandings and parly dis- putes in our connexion — malic unfa vor.iblo imprejisions up. on the minds of ilie Indians, by iitteiMpIs at tnrining dislinct pocietin of professedly the same people among them and do material irjury to our missionary funds in this Pro- vince. 7, That if the Methodist Missionary Committee in Lon- don shall determine to establish a mission or missions among any of the numerous Indian tribes west or north of the Luke Huron, or in the vicinity of Hudson's Bay, we will do all in our power to assist them, by furnishing them with Indian translalions of the Oospel, Hymns, &c. and native labourers as far as we can possibly spare tlieiu. TO THE REV. DU. TOWNLEY, &c.&.e.&c. Rev. and dear Brother, Your letter of the 13th of June last to the Rev. William Case and the annexed Resolutions of your missionary committee of the llih May, were sub- mitted to the coiifbronce at its late Session ; and after the general sen-o of the conference was taken on the subjects I'inbracrd in your communication, he whole business was referred to the m:f8ionary Board to communicate with you, Agreeably to the d.rection of the Board we now transmit to you ' jjiy of the Resolutions adopted by them on these subjects. by the annexed resolutions you will perceive that due feelings of grattude are entertained by the Board to our Brethren in Groat Britain for their kind attentions to Mcs- sieurs Ryerson and Jones, and to your committee for Ihoir expression of good will towards our interonting and flou- riHiiing Indian missions in UpperCanada. The Board che- rish the liighest respect and wai-mest uffoction lor their Brethren on the other sideof the Allant'i;, viewing the Me. thndists in Kngland and in Upper Canadi as two Branches of the same family and subjects of the same government. But considering all the circumstancps of Mr. Jon's'm's- B on, and the np|)rphen.sion8 entertained that applications to the British public from the Methodiiit Missior.a-y Society in Upper Canadu, would " involve your connexion iu unplea- sant parly disputes," h s deputation to England as far as it relates to any applications to your contributors, has been regretted by the Board. You may rest assured that these circumstances wore altogether uaforeseen by our General Superintendent of Missions when the deputation was de- latmmed upon. We siieuld be sorry indeed to be even the rinocent instruments of doing any thing that would in the least degree dis'urb the peace of your connexion, or affect your missionary funds, so deservedly wanted throughout the H vastly extended fields of your numeroui and valuable m's- hlOIlK, It niny however, bo remarked hy way of explanation, lliat Mr. Jones h mMsion to England w.is undertaken nt the HiigL'isiion and recommenilaiio i of a iiuiiibLT ofinttlligent mill re.peelallo K/i;';^/. brethren, who stated IliPir coifvie- II «n that more gii ns would be given in En.-land in a.d of I II.- Iiiihan mhiHons than dollars in the United Slates, where a (..■putaiion Irom our s-ciely was once pent, and was as- sHted l.y the Methodist brelhren in different cities and towns 111 that country to make collections !o the amount of Bovenil hundred pouiid.^. Our ronferoiice being an inde- peiideiil connexion in a British province. Our Indian mip- S1III18 estuhli.'hfid wilhin the British terrilorios, a preference was, of course, felt to making applications to the British puiilic. And lest any method should be adopted hy cur de- putation which might intfrl'ere with your interests and oper- at.ons, they were msiriicted to call upon your committee for their advice. It is hoped, however, thai, from the arl rnngemenifl entered into between our depulaiion and your committee, Mr. Jones's mission may, upon the whole, have a fiivorable influence upon the funds of your own society — And no future deputation to England is contemplated by the Board, unless the measures adopted by your committee slumld so fir ofToct our missionary funds and operations in Caiiada. as to render further explanations and applications to I he Britith public advisable and necessary. The fourth, fifih and sixth of the arconipanying resolu- tions were entered into by the Board in order to apprise your committee of the views and circumstances of our con- nexion relative to a part of the missionarv field in Canada. The success of our Indian missions, consJderin» the means expended, has, perhaps, not u parallel in the history of mo- dern missions. This extraordinary and continued blessing of God upon the labors of our society, is considered a pe- culiar call of Providonc- to cnruinue ihem in all our mission stations, and to nil tl.ose tribes which our missionaries have visited. Indeed, the rapid progress of Methodism in Upper Canada generally appears to indicate moat clearly, that our present ecclcsiasticul arrangements, whilst purely Wesleyan, are remarkably well adapted to the work of " spreading scriptural hoi ;nc99 throughout" the land, and that the abandonment of them would be stepping aside from the order of divine Providence. By the seventh resolution annexed, you will perceive the readiness and anxiety of the Bond to co-operate with your committee in their contemplated miss on to Canada, as far as they can do so without " involving the connexion in unpleasant party dispmcs" ond injuring our own missionary funds. There is little doubt but the funds of our own soci- ety can be increased to a sufficient sum to meet the wants ot all the Indian Tribes within the present boundaries of our conference. You will find an interesting account of the northern and wOMlern Indian Tribes referred to by the board, in the "two journals of the Rev. Jidin West, A. M., late chaplain to The Hon. The Hudson's Bay (Jompany." The most of these tribes speak the Chippewa tongue ; and it is believed, were Evangelical Missionaries sent among them, they wou.d readily embrace Christianity. Two of our native Indian Missionaries have visited some of these tribes and were iustrumontal in the coiivcrson of several of them. Our own soeieiy has had it in contemplation to commence missionary operations among them, but the prosecution of th'fi work has been hitherto delayed for want of adequate means and an effectual door opening almost simultaneously to the several Indian Tribes in our own neiglibor/ioeds which has thus far employi d all tlio funds wo could com- mand for mssionary purposes. It may, at tlie same lime, be remarked, that did our soci- ety possess the necessary funds, they could establish mis- sions among even these tribes at a lar less expense and to tar g-eater advantage than a society several thousand milfi dl^ot be more advantageously applied to the furtherance of the work of human s;dvation than in the establishment of a mission in this Province — other cir- cumstances aside — at an expense far greater than would be necessa-y for the Methodist Missionary society here, tit impart 1 .0 same doctrines, the same feelings, the same blessings and elfect the same improvements. You are perhaps not apprised that there 'are many per- sons in this I'rovince who would rejoice to witness party disputes among the Methodists and would recommend any measure and da all in their power to create and foment them — rightly judging that if they can but divide, they may eventually destroy them — IJut we feel assured that your committee will not knowingly enter upon or sanction any measure that will "involve the connexion in those party disputes," which are alikr destructive to the respectability, purity, and influence of Wesleyan Methodism and the in- terests of true religion. D Lo>J'itt,77 Ihll'in Oaulen, March lii:li, 1832. DbaB IlHETIIRg-f, We enibrnee the op lortunity of for- wnrdin^ to you hy the R.y, RoI.ert Aider, tli.; resDiutions adopted by our comniiilee after doliberatimi on your reeolii . tioiis, transmitted to ii-- under date York, October 4'h, Itiai. Wu are de.ir lireihron, III tlic bends of the UospcU Vours, JAMES TOWNLEY, JOHN JAMKS, JOHN mOKCUAM. Mcercliriea loihe Wesleyan Missioiiaiy tJotioty. To the Doird orManngers of th' Missi- i oiiary Suciety of the Mulliudist Episcopal [ cliurch in Up,)er Ciiiadu. \ St. James' Chapel, MorUreul, June 5, 1832. Mv DiSAR. Sir, As I shall not bo able to visit York until after the close of our Ds'rict meeting, and shall be able to remain there but a very short time, i tnink it right to forward to you per post, the inclosed resolutions, in or- der tlial you may tiave time to preaont them to the Bj»rd before 1 wait provi.iusly upon you. I remain Yours truly, R. ALDER, Representative of the Wesleyan Missionary Society, and chair- man ef the Canadian Die- tritt meeting. To Rov. John Rverko.n, President of Board of Managers, &.c. &;. Sic. We trust your society and ours have a common object in view and that the prayerful and persevering labours of loth will be directed in those channels of usefulness and christian philanthropy, which will tend to cement both connexions in strongest bond of christiiin alfection, bring most glory to God, and most happiness to mankind. We are. By order and on behalf of the Missionary Board, Yours affectionate in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, JOHX RVERSON. President. THOS. VAUX, Sceretary, Yoke, U. C Oct. 4ih, 1831, Reaoluliona of a committee, held February l8Xi. Certain Resolutions of the Board of Mis»io.ns connected with the Upper Canada Coiif 'ruiice ohjxiing to the coin- railte's employing miesionnriea in Upper Canada and among the Indians having been read at the last meeting of the commit ee, aad the Treasurers and S cretaries having been requested to confer with Messrs. Ryer^on und Joues upon this subject they report as ibllws : — 1. That with respect to the '< uriderstinding" alleged in the said resolut ons to exist between the Bnt sTi and Can- adian conferences, that the Missionarif's of the former were to confine their labors to L,ower Cmada, and leave the Up- per Province to the exclusive occupation of the Canadian conference, they informed Messrs. Ryersou and Jonee that no such understanding could exis'.inaginnoh as the former compact between the United Slates general co.ifnrence ceased upon an independent conference being established for Upper Canada, and that when it was proiosed by Mr. Cap.Jrs to the British conference of 1828 to make a similar agreoraont with the Canada co.ifer ;nce, it was declined. 2. That ever since that time the committee have felt themselves fully at liberty to occupy any s'aii m in Upper Canada, to winch they might have sujIi a call, as would warrant them to embrace it, with just regird to thoie gen- eral priuciples of rtjjiect to the us;fiil application of fund*, and thj relation of any body of British Emigrants, members of our societies, and attached to our discipline, to cm- brace it. 3. Tliat the great change of circumstances ns to Upper Canada since the agrtemont with the states general con- ference, especially in respoctof he immense number of set- tlers which have gone out from Great Briiain and Irelund, and are still flowing into that Province in large nuinl era eve- ry year, was a decisive objection to the co nmiltoe's recom- mending it to the conference to confine its missions wholly to Lower Canada, or not to reinforce the miesion they have had for some years in Kingston, or not toestablishunder such circuinsiancea new aiissions in that Province. 4. That with respect to the principle urg'd upon the committee in lh3 resolutions of the Canada Buard of Mis- sions, " that the Methodists are one in every part of the world," could only be applicable iu the sense of mainte- [No. 108.] Appendix to Hoport on Religious Graft^. 31 imni'O of tVa'crrml nffrii m, niaco s unity ari«inp from tlio cxJiti.'iici! ol' but (inn Ibrm uf MetliudMin iii (ine I'rovim:!', in 110 ,v oui (if lliu qiiuatlori ; O'VurRl (liHlincl biidici* of M''- Ihodi^tii now cxijtiiiij in Upper ('aiiiidi, wlin r'lu-i'! to place th iii!ii>lvu8 und r lli i pialunil diiirgoot' thi^ Ciiindu (;oiifi'rerii;i; ; und atl'ordinij oiirticn'nl prnnf, llint w-rjou: niiH8ioiittrit'H 10 be wulibcld iMilirely Irom tliat Province, a cunBidurabli) ntiinbor ul' indepeudunl bodies of Aletbodiuta would friuw up. f). 'I'liat wil 1 rPspoct to tbo Indian missions the ori;ji. iial ayroiMiiini, Willi tliii United Status Gunornl Confcnnco did not 111 any rL'spuct ruLitu to ticm, so as to exclud .• tiio coniniittue's endeavours to attmn it tlieir evaii);elizt i in Tlii'y wuri; in lad novir rufrrr.'d to in tliat ajfrecninni, bu' It Irid I 11^ bo.'ii the coiiunittoo's intention tu aid in tins ini port.int work, in pnrsuancu of a principle held sicrod by the CO iiinitluo to endeavour to coiinecl with missions neur Kuropeitn seitleis, altempts to bjuefi'. the aboriginal hoa- thens of liiusu countries where tiiey iniy locate themselves. This the coiiiinitti.'e attempted in Libriidor, in connection Willi the NeHf,)undl.ind mission in Now Holland; and by the blessiny of G id very succoisfuily In connection with til') South African Colonies. Tne extent of the coininit- tee's exertions, and tlic demands upun tlieir funds were the only reasons wh cli ciiujed them to delay their endeavours 10 eviingelzi! the Indians in America. 0. Tiiat notwithstanding these views of the committee Mcsrs. Ryerson and Jones were informed that the com- mittee Intend nothing as to Upper Canada contrary to that brotherly kindness, winch ought tu exist between two kindri;d religious bodies; but that tlioy slialt not consider that principle at all contravened, s'.iuuij they fix missiona- ries in places of cons.djrable population, altlio' the Cana- da Conference may have societies ir. such plac's the popu- lation being such as to aftord reasonable ground to conclude that there is a suffimeiit sphere ot labour for each, much less that it would bo any infringement of the said principle should a mission be pUntcd among settlers not yet provided with any religious ordinances. 7. Timt in the agreement between tlio United States Generjl Coit.Tonoe and the Uritish Conference, it was ex- plicitly ttated, that, should Methodism deteriorate in its form and spirit, or should any just political offence be given by the r misaiOiiaries to the British Government, the Brit- ish Conference sliou'd be at liberty again to employ its mit- sionaries in Upper Canada. The deputation heard no ex- plicit complaint in this respect against the United SUtrs Conterence, nor did they charge the Canada Conference with either of such matters. This they were not called to enter into, inasmuch as no agreement to partition the two Canidas existed between the committee and the Canada Conference, and they were not therefore under any neces- sity of ecru'iniz ng the fact ; but that they must say with atTection, but regret, that the publication of a paper ex- pressly by the Canadian Conference entering wnrmly and in the spirit of partizmship into the local politics of the I'roviiicp, was not in the spirit or according to the practice of British Methodism, and contrary to that absli- iiencn fro n such disputes winch they enjoined upon their missionaries ; a c rcumstance which hsd created prejudice against the acccptableness of the Canada brethren, with & part of the population of Canada. On these poinis a con- versation of same length was held, at the closm of which Messrs. Kyerson and Jones were assured of the kind re- gards of liie committee, but were thus flankly put in pos- session of its views on the subject brought before it in the Resolutions ef the Canada Board ot mn-sion before men- tioned. £ Extract of the procecdiTigi cf t'.ie Bard. Certain resolutions cf the cuiami'tee of the VVesIeyan Methodist Miss.onary Society in London, passed in Fobru- ary, 18^2, and traiiomit'.ed by the, Rev. R.ibert AM. r, the Ciiiiiiuiilce'a rcpreseulatiuil iiaviiif been laid beloif. tin; loard on the evening of the 22d inat , and the Rev. Robert Alder, the Rev. Jjlin Hicks, the Rev. Thomas Turner and liie Kev. Jolm I', llethtirington beinj present by previous \ invitation ; llio rasolutions nf th* rommittec in London rncloHcd by t!ie R v. Dr. Townliv, and bin Brcoiii|ianyiiic letl. r lo the Rev. VVm. Case, diljil June 1.3, H:jl, the ari- , Hvver of the board to the Biine and the r"so'uiioii8 of the We.^l.'yan coininill "i! a'lovo refrrnd lowers r"ad ; after ; which a long, free, and friendly conversation look plac: be. tivcen the in-mhers ot the boird and the missionary bre- tliron, particularly Messrs. Alder a'ld Hick on the subject* (if the scveriil doeninnils nam ;d above ; at th ; conclusion ; of wliicli the board aJionrned. At the ensuing adjourned meeting of th.) board, held the evening of the' 29ih insi., the follo.ving regiiluinns were adopted. 1. T.iat with rjsptct lo iha first resolution of the Wcs- leyan commilien, co.ioerniiig the " undorsandimr," iic., the refolition ol the bmird was foniuled on Iheir uni!I>rstand' ing nf tlie r.'port made by tho Rev. Mr. Capers, delegate from the American lo the Briiisli conf.'rence in 1S28, whicli concludes thus ;—" I did, hnwevr, distinctly understand the cojimittee as being of opinion that their nii«ionari*t ought not lo go into Upp.r Cunada, unless either alter lOino defiiite arrangement should have been conolud.'d lo that effct With the church there ; or in cisa of its notori- ous inability to supply the people, or its departure from the doctrineg, disciplioo, or ocoaoiny wliicli distinguish motlio- dism." 8. That as a largo portion of the Canada conference consists of Europeans, ai the mombers of tlio Methodist soci'tios from Great Britain who have generally united with us, have uniformly expressed tliemsolves satisfied witli tho economy of Methodism in Canada, and equally edified by our means of grace as in their native country, the influx of European emigration into this Province does not appear to the board to render tho organiza' ion of Metho- dist societies distinct from those already cs'abliRhed, ex- pedient or advisable— nnd mnreespocially as the board con- siders the economy of Methodism in Canada to be as truly Wesleynn as that m Great Britain. 8rd. That tha board conceives the principle, "That the Methodists are one people in every part of the world," was nndorslnod by Mr. Wesley in a more extensive sense than merely ''fiftfuriial affection," as ho cherished and taught "fratornil nffection' between the Methodists, pious Bap- tist ^^ Pri'sbytenans, Moravians, ic. who were never rcpre. 8 Mitented by him as on; with the Method, sts in tho Bense that he declared " the Methodists are onepeople in all the world, and it is their full determination so to continue." 4. That with Iherxception of the societies under the cnr..' of tho WesI yan cominitiee, the parties (few and small in number and influence) in this Province who call thein-elves Metho, lists, and who are not under the super- intendence of the Can-da conference, differ as widely in their government, economy, and u-ages, from the English as ffom the Canada coiiiiexiun, nor is there any probability that the pastoral charge of the one would bo more accept- able lo them than tliatof thoo-'ior. There is perhaps a greater vxriely of Metho lists (so called) in Great Britain , llmti in Canadii.— lienoe the introduction of m ssionariea (Istinct from thohC who are already labouring in connexion with the Canada conference, is not likely to produce any greater uniformity m Methodism tluin now exists, and ni!iy lead lo serious misunderstandings and party disputes. I 5. Tiiat wtli respect to tho seventh robolution of the 'cemniittee, the bnurd beg to refer the committee to Mr. Ald.T, with whom consid 'rablo convorjation was held on the subject. I', is extremely diflieult, if not altogether jm- practicable, for any p rjon or bidy cf men, however wise ' and expe.-iriiced, who are not acquainted with all the lOcal circu iiB'snces ot the country, to decide with certainty what pail slionld in nil cuses be taken in matters in which the interests of religion arc immediat;ly concernet), but which mi-y more remotely involve qnestinns of political con.-ider.ilion by a niinislry or body ol people who arj ro.' exotic, not r,iief:nnary, or transient in their residence in the country, but who have grown up therein, and who have a common interest with its permanently settled inhabitants. VV hatover may have been said or done resnecinir wha' the comiiiitlee te^ii '• political d spiites" the board issitiB- fied that the spirit and practice of Methodism have been preseivod and mainiuined unimpaired, and believes it pre- vails with an efficiency ftud to an extent in tlie couutiv 32 A\^*endi\ to Report on Rdi'-jious Grants. [IVo. 108.] in proportion lo ' i^ p 'pulaiion, nut i>xceid..d .n ibo Umlitl | nl.joction on our part, «inro wo m iitUa n tli-il Mptlin.liim rt. Timt 111.' busrd ni irlorv and the best luicr.Bts of n/aiikind. We 1 r.' Brolhren, Vuur'ii In thnhordsof the Gospel, JtJlIN llVKRSON, I'r^sidfnt, ^, ,, , a. 'fllOMAM VAUX, H.crttury. lo Mep.rs. James Townhy, j Jolili JamiH, J.liii Heeehaiii, J Mec'yn, Ijoiiduii, VV. M. C. J Trca«urei''H Account. Canada Conference. Misaknary Sociefij in account with James It. Armstinng, Treasurer, Cr, 18*1 October. Nov. 20, " 28, 1834 Feb'y, April 5, May 12, MONKVa PAID TO MR. ARMSTRONO. Ity cash from the Toronto Auxili- t ary By collection made hy R. Coat,.. Uy cash from Miitilda Auxiliary lliioiigh George Uiouse, Esq. By donaiion from R. Burr, Esq By the Widow's mile, By cash from the Indian childr at the Credit By cash from the Ualhie .Missiona- ry Auxiliary By cash from Mr. Kcajy (annual,) By cash from the Niagau .\uxilia- fy By cash from iho Toronto circuit collected by Messrs. Adams anil Fawcelt, By cash from the Toronto circuit collected by Messrs. Foster & Brown By cash from the Toronto circuli collected by William Kent,... By cash from theTrafalgarcircuit, 9, d. 14 1(1 1 11 6 17 a Feb'y, MOIfETS PAID TO MR. STIKSON. By cash from the Brockville Aux iliary By cash from the Belleville Aux iliary lo Mr. Johnson By cash Iruio liie ilaniilluu Aiix'y, By the Rice Lake subscription,.. By the Muncey Town do By cash from the Uamilton Auz'y 13 7 8 15 1 5 10 17 34 14 1 IS li 10 5 CO y MONEY! PAID TO MR. CASS. Feb. 12, By cash from the Treasurer ol the Hamilton Auxiliary I .'JO 2 By collections at Ihe Credit Mis'ii,' 5 12 April, Hy cash from the tjtoney Creel. Auxiliary, By cash from the Saltfleet Missi onary Aii.viliary By ciish Salilleet donations, , By collection at St. Catharines,. By do. ai Niagara By do. at McAfee's By donation froinG. Ham, K..(ri|iliori, Mr. Irvii'o mil)!-! i ijii m tiinli i'ldiii III!) .N'liiiuii A'u'y,, r:nlilViiiii .Mr. AI.>l''.ll Iriiiii ih'i M MiJ.! Criik A.uiliury, (Mill (Vi'in r.l./uli'.ill,.. .' , r:nli rriiiii .*^itiiili*illi> /\iiKiliiiry, llrowii's ISriil-.. sii'ii,cir|)iji)ii,... tM'li rmiii WiiK lliuuae Aiu'y,. i.MsIl rriiiii Siiii'Mj (li>, .. cnuli iV.iiii \ri lliinniit ilo, . . Ciitti 6(;rii)lion by Mr. (Jrc'cii, DiUiiel H{iriiy'« (iub»pri|iliori,. . Wex. ('iiiiiiii)-ll'.., Niilwcnpiion, sulmnripiiiiii Irciiu MiTnckvillf, tMsli rriiiii Uriiwii'a ii('i(;lilmnr- liDod, cnsh (,iHii ilip I'lfacdil Aiix'y, (Misli rriim lOlinl), iliimm ilo.'. c:isli litiiii llic I'.iiriii Hiitii ly in LnnilDii (Ir.iwii iit (l.irtrfiil liiiien during (liu yuar, I 7 8 10 U 'M 4 m I !) 7 U 10 U 1 10 17 « a 7 (i a 7 (I 1 15 5 5 3 10 1 2 10 12 Dr. CRiniT HHaiOH. To the Bcv. Will. C.iau's Eiilary,.. To (lie Itcv. •»i'icr Junes ilo. . . . To the Scliool Ti-iiditr do.... Totlielttv. Win. Citafs travel- ling ex|)ein:'% To till- Itev. Will. Ciue'ii horse do. To llio reiiioviil of Mr. Case's la iiiily IVoin Grape Island to tlie River t'icdil, To siailona'ydirtheOoilitschool, To Mr. Cass's postape, To ripairiiig Miiijion and Scliool- huiises, To tlie Ri-v. Peicr Jones travelling expenses, HKK SIHCOK M139I0:«. To Mi-. Hclion'a salary, To Miss Mauwariug"s do. school leiicher To John Siinson's do. interpreter. To John Snake'* do. do.... To removing Air. Btilon'i laniii> to mission, To Miss Manwaring-s travelling ex- penses, To iMr. Bellon's hursf -'leeping,.. . To Mr. Helton's travelling expen- ses at mission, To siatinnary for the scliuol, i'o stove lor the mission house, 5 1 I niCE LAKK. MltSlON. To Mr. MeMnlliii's salary, I'o do. horse keeping, To do. travelling expe ises. To Miss Penny for teaching school 9 mouths, To articles tor school and hoard of boys in the family, To finishing the chapel and mis aioa iiouse 4 M i> 13 5 18 2 11 3 Id 4 15 1893 1 iOOl 8i 87 10 75 35 41 4 2 2 9 2G7 18 75 35 43 18 10 17 H 1 10 3 5 1 7 10 10 5 1 9 4i 189 19 9i 75 5 3 9 6i 2C 5 7 4 Oj 149 8 5 26C 7 I Ml.'Hir TOW V MIISIO.'O. lo .Mr. Ad.iiiM sidiiry I'll do. iravtiliii!; ,.»pen»es, lo Mr. ilurll.mt'i, salary, schoci liMcliir Tod'iorac II.nry'.H, .nlerprelnr,.. lo Miss Adams' for (ine leai'hiii!/ To iiinlicr f.i i w sihiMjUinnVe, 1« iMr. Adams, iraveiling SIS to f.'oiilcr nee,.. .7 To link f,,r ihc Hcliiiol,. .. To books for the school,. IIHI i(iiarii'r'(. ex pen . ... * ...... To the support of an Indian boy at Cazenovia, To debts on the Canadian missions U the Conferenca of October, 10 17 10 3 2 17 42 8 75 8 2 30 U 10 7 10 -5 15 10 9 34 Appendix to Report on Kt'ligious CrantM. [No. 108] IHaa, hy (iriler of llio rrmi (IpiiI, iihiiI,. To Mr. !• liiziir tor iiiimiiunjry Kur yii:n, , To push K«uii Irllemuii pulilio bii | •mutt i X iVa It (i s-< 11) a r, I ■■M J I H 'I'ntnl nmniint of Mp'i"Iitnrp«, X vjdill II h/^ NoTK.— 'I'hi' iii»li iicciMiril IS in I'll' up hi ilji. CimCi-. enco only. All «iiiii4 rtccivcil luiil |Kii>l kIiicu that liiuu will ho pliinorl ill ihii iii'xi rrpiirt. Aim? fiuumla fin sliilliii;^.i Imve hum rctiirnpil from iIib flrniiil IliviT, ;iM(l four fmiiaih Ihirlr. n ihillin/js tinl JU" venci: tVdtri the Moliavvli Alissimi, wliiuli wilt b« iiiscrlud la tlio uuxt rt'purt. •i TrcaNliier'M Account. Canada Cnnftienee Miuionarif Snr.iely, in Acenivt with Jamm II. Armstnmg, Treaiurer, from Ju.ic \Hii4,u^toJu>ie 1835. I. NiAQAHA District. Hamillon Circuit. Collectnd liy Man. K. Eva.ns and Mk». K. Jackhun. Edward Jackson X'l 10 Lydm A. Jackson 1 T) Doctor J. LBttr 1 f) ThoinnBlii Lislor, 10 Jscob lijiU'do, . lU Cngh 2 6 Ciwli, . . • . 2 6 L. J. Ive», . . 10 Isaac Ryan, , . i ;) James Mcljpn, . 1 3 Cornelia SimfTord 10 (I llugli Mnori', . 2 Samuel Sloan . .'5 Cash 6 William A. Davis, 1 1 Catharine D.^wiy, 2 Williiim Fisli, . 5 Daniel Unvey . 2 Uenjamm Juhnaon, 2 6 Cash, ... Q U John Stinaoii, . r> Cosh, . . , . 4 :< Canli, .... I a Murrny Andnrson, 10 Ounnia Muoro, . 5 CaRh, .... 2 10 Casli, .... I ,) Colljy Kimblo, . 10 Esllitr Kimble, . 2 (i Mrs. Noj.on, . I 3 Edward Tinlipy ,«» |) Rev. E. Evins 10 ThoumH BroAn, 5 U MrH. D own, . 2 Miss Lowfll, . 2 6 E'lwardMnffll, . 5 Robori Liwis . 2 ft Henrietta Biwnlpy, 2 NVy. Siio'irid-'o, 5 I Mis. PckttwJ, °. 2 (i I S. Woods, . . 10 ^aiiiiali VVPode, 10 | Cr. Mnry 0\\]\gtn . Mr.". CI' ineiit, . A:iri)ii Ci oit, . Jaini,'.< Ciiliiil, , R. O. Uoasley, . Cash. .... Mara . Ori-pn, . Albc> tG. S.ark Mini ivi Mirrick, vvm. r. r;urk.., Alan';;. U iiekmcr, Mcny t'liirk, . Harali VVmur, . Miss n I/, . . Miss HirdiJier, . Fidiliii Iv.R, El zur Alfiird, . Mrs. Wi bb, , Mary Will amson, Aiiilriivv W. Gmv i;ii T,..|vo,., . ' Vy. D.'8,,at};,rd, K StinsDii, , A Urit. VV^■^|, yan, U:o.C.ligg, . CdUcled ha MUs ghaw, and Mi.^s Price 6 U 6 6 2* 6 6 6 lOi 0^^ 3 3 1 J'dwi Millr, . . I'liridtMia .Mill/, Aim, .M ll.i. . . <•. <;ii.i(i.id, . I'lllii iin.j Miijll, II iiy Mnjrill, . Miiry Mnci;l, , . ■\ l''n.'h(|, . . M.ir 111 I'fi.i', . .\lr^. ('li'iiiiiiN, , DM H M .rill,-, r, OIV. N. Mpriii^ -r, (/'li'v. I)ud(,'i.', . A.Mtivin, . . U'l't. II iidcrsoii, lloli' ri Miifriy, IVt.'r |i,i)(|Hn, , Sundry bumIIiuiiiii Mr. Hi wll, . . .M. A, Wnifl.f, . (i or^'i) Wiiigan, Will Galli!riiio!i>, Ur.J.IP7.Kid!iv)f, H. M. Ilatiiiiwiiy I'ublic (,'olli'clionu nt Mi.-B.oii.iry Mpi'tin^, IVb. 3, 1835, 15 Mi>s J. Ralty'd iiiiss.on Dux at do .... 2 MiaaHlacilpy'g rol loctiiwi from In- ("ml scliool lit do Rum'iiiif 111 TrpB. siiri'rs liandd, Feb. 2, 1835, 12 10 t) 1 3 f> r, (I 2 « •J (i 2 () 3 (t 7 3 7 2 (i 1 U 2 U IQ 3 5 3 13 6 JCC5 Roniaining in tlio bands of local Treasurer, . 21 2 10 10 4 Will. AI'D. mid, , Ma'y M'Do ,ald, 1 W.A. M'Diiiald K zi VV'il',oii, . Ci. 8;rubridgc, . H mill. I K.Tr, . S Ml Dimnes, . Yiiiiii:.',Weir,&Col J'l n A.kiiiaii, , I'll. r& Co. . A Ui/oluw, . . Jiinrs 8. Finnny, K:.s8. 1 I'miiie.j, Buii-cy Prentiss, ^lac Cr.si'rn . I'.ioIk Urovvn, . (Ji or fc' Hyatt, . ' J R. fV,l8.,J, . .Miclnel Aikinnn, Jamts Al'Iniyre, Charles Duruiul, Recpivod by the (jinitrnl Treos. . iirer, ... 43 I P.Bowinan s ub'n. 1 I Pliili|i S|)aun, do 1 Mrs.P.Boaun.do 1 L. Ilall, d„ A I'e end, do by llnvE. Evans, Coll.et. at Bow- man's Cb ipel, 5 Di). at Glaiituid, 1 Do at Harion, . 2 Do. at ibe Rock Chapul, . . 1 5 5 .■j 5 10 5 10 5 in 6 10 10 5 1 2 6 2 2 2 2 12 5 5 10 6 9 I 15 2 8 » Total, £59 2 STAinroRD Circuit. Lundy's Lane Branch. IsineBjwninn jC n William Ofiu.d, O (1 Ailani Kllinan, 1 T) Jumes Speneer 15 Ann Sjieiacr, o 6 Aiinu .Sjjeneer, 2 Adam Pialick, 2 SayiicrB acli. 2 6 M. (/'ook, . . 2 Klizi Cliiirin, . U (i U .irge Wrijjlit 4. ft I'olly L.inily, G Miiiiidu L:i,idy, ;; U Gf'orifo Garner, a CbriHiiana Garner 2 6 Eiizabcili Garner, 2 Han el Liindy, . Ilii jiunji Ciifrtin, I {'• t c'Mip • Corwin, J'lMIl » S'llij,'!!, . >lary Mutfi,, . . Uf. J. J. Lllriy, I). VVi.lia,„.,(tn.. •Sarali Willmiii . W limn (Jiirner, .Io^i|iii Moore, . M'rt Sliiore, Williiiin lAirKylli, >S.'|iliroiiia Firrriyili ilr.j. l\Ii rriiini, . Jo.v |ili M. rriam, .M.iriii Alerriain, Ann liinicr, R:i' lii'l l{ 1 !■, . (/'atlianno Lniidy, Mn. lii.d.r, . Mnry Ro'.bins, . Giirif. 11,1,1,., 1 l^dnr Heiider . 1 .\:,'iiBs .Simnnuii, David l.yncli, . 1* ilip Uiriior . Lydia Corwin, . J .ti;bOiriier, . Abiijail G irnor, Sopiiia I'lnimons, Mk. Moihp, . John Corwin, . Cailiariiie (.'orwin, Will;aiii Owe, I?, H. F.ilcoiibridge, A. Spencer, Donations. 2 ft U ft r> ft .'. ft 10 3 2 (I 2 ft 2 2 ft D ft 2 ft 2 ft 2 ft 2 ft 2 ft 5 (I 2 II 2 ft a ft 5 ri ft 2 ft 2 ft 2 ft a 2 ft 2 6 2 ft 2 ft 2 2 ft G ft a 2 R. Mars'i, . F. I'eiirocif, J. M. K. lly, J. Uig/cr," . M. DoiUflaa, (;. Forsy li, , I'j. Slai;lit, . •Mrs. Uiileook, .Mary C^an, . .Maria llicks, 1 » } >4 1 ^ jEiy 13 e Niagara • . « • r«ln, I 7 M rwiii, 3 t< li . U II ■riy, .'i (an!). lU il II . •J (I lur, 2 rnyili a (i 1, 2 (t am, a H in, a « > a t> . r. nily, a 11 . a (i ». . a «i ■r I r .1 r. Ulll a (( . a t; r . a (1 • • a . a (» ■r. a 6 Dtl«, a « . a (1 a (i rwiii, a It UP, 5 Ifa. a u • a (i ition:. , 1 » . 1 a . 1 a ■ 1 1* . 1 a 1 a , 1 » • 1 1 . 1 • ^ £i-^ vi a imforU Braneh t 5 r, 5 y. 3 <; sen. a (j iin. a ', 1 5 a «j •. a G Ill, 2 (J . 1 "Vi 1 2 V • a 6 fq. 2 10 , 2 6 . 2 6 . 2 6 y. 2 6 'y< 2 C y. 2 6 . 2 6 . 2 6 2 e . , 2 6 , 2 6 "ifft 2 6 . a ft Jmo Hull my. . .1 iiMcK I liy Mary Wur" r, Mur.'iiri'i M> K uliy, IMiriiitiiiiiii K' t^l r, Cstiiiinii'; \\< ' I' r. «;nlli«rin<> llniiJi Mary I'm', . . Mii>y ViuK'very, . A rnciiiil A KriDMil, . . . M.irj!nri'i Kml'ir, AMiillliick, . . . Miir (1 l.iicy . . MrN. IVirii Mm. Villi ''tiurc, .Mr-". Iliiiiiiyi • • Mr-". Aiiiril i:n, . .Imii"» ^^ iii'c, . . Pnilip M'llt'r, . . Ai:J'W II'lisl.ii"i Mary Hull, . . . .Via^jara Town liranch. SciiUliro' Kev, I',. Stunuy (imliol.) i:i 8 .. , 3 3 (i a li V, a « a 1.J a a 2 0.1 1 10 5 U a •) 3 fi a (I a 11 a a « 1 3 2 C. a (1 a f'nrn nt Cum- iiit!r'»cU.i|iol,., 10 H jciu a l> • WMAHKET OIKCUrr. Ll.iviliown.ilinr .Ml. J linking, £5 n 9 I'lililie cullei't'li, ;l 8 H Ariieiid 5 Iteciorville ran- Iributiiin ail t. Day Qi'intk Diitriut. T'lStamfJCir.jCa.') 3 TJ I.ONO POINT C IIHI'IT. Tliiougli lli'v. II. nL'«.ir(nnl(.l)J!;i3 15 A Fri. 111!, ... 050 Culled 1011 niiM'l I'loBnaiit, ... a 8 li JC16 8 li 2. Lo.NDON DisimcT. LONDON CIBClllT. Public collect'n,i;4 10 WESTMINSIEB CIRCUIT. A Frieuil, £0 5 aosriixp ciiicilT. (NoLiKt,) jC* 1 10 Mi» Koiiincy's 6uliscri|>ii()n,. . 1 15 TliroiigliMr. H. NeUuu 15 £10 2 4 oxroBD ciiirinT. Thro* ne». U. Phelp £2 7 7 Public collccl'o, 10 4 £H n 5 TORONTO nnoi'iT. Siini'i Hwil/.or & fimily 1 5 111.;!' .MiHJii, jr.tt l'« lloM. Siiri|ni>n... .T .Mri. I1.IIhiIoiI.:b.O 10 Williiiiii Keiil mill I'lniliv 1 5 Jiiines'Swil/.i'r,.. 3 •lames .ViiJerHon,. 10 'riiin.C'tirnvriglil.O 10 J iiiH's Uyiiii,. ... 5 r,li/.iiM,ni 5 Mirv Ky;in 2 .Sully (.'iillcT. ... I 3 l',li/,;il)elli Lewis,. 1 .'J Luurpiia Itowe,. .010 Ciiliiiiine Viider,.0 3 MiH. Ilerion 5 (^iirnliiit! Fdiweli.O 1 3 J(ise|i|i Swllzi!r,..0 5 \lM.J'liSwil/,.'r,.0 5 .Mis. rolwcll, ... I U Mm. ("artwrij?lit,.0 5 Mrs. Kansoiii,... 5 John Htrei't 5 Jiiiiics Swilzer,. .050 Uiiiiid Howell,.. 2 Calvin {'iirlwrighlO 5 Kra.,liis8ireet, ..0 10 Ahigail Sirerl,..0 10 lluiiiiltoii Uowc.'O S £3 7 11 THkMKS CIBCIIT. (No List,] £5 3 2 S. Toronto District. CIT¥ OF TORONTO. [No List,].... £54 9 2 wnwfiv STBl^KT ofRnviT. Thro' J. Atkin- son £S 10 Jss. Davis's sub. 16 1 £9 13 1! roll..Slrcel»vi!le,8 7 H Do. atCianlner's. 3 H H Do. atSlirill's.... 1 5 Do. at do a 7 3 Do. at Harrison's, 1 12 Mr. Kent's sub'n, 3 £33 13 7 NELSON CIRCUIT. Cnnlriliiiliona at TraliilKar 5 A FiiciHl, do 15 Coii.atOakville,. 3 10 AFiieud, 10 £10 5 nUMFRIEB rlRCVIT. .Mr. Koajiy'ssubs. 1 10 Pub. cnllection at BranHord 4 2 Subsciiii'DS atdo. 3 n KiNoiTON (ntrlh.) Jiiliii CountiT... . 5 .Mil Tiiik'Mnfciiuna 10 .liiiiii Ji'iikiiH 3 'I'lie Voii'lile llio .Vii'liilpaoun of Kiiiit'iF. F,. Linton, 10 J. Hlriui^fl, K»q., 10 Ja». M'C'ulclieon, F,.SI|lire, 10 Jainis Kerr 10 A Friend 10 Miri.« Tlioiiiaa's scholari, 1 2 Sunn under lOs.. 7 C Coll byMr..Siecr and Mr.Hcobell.S 7 Do. at mis'y meei- iii<; and scrtnoiia, 7 IG Do. al iTiis'y iiicel- ing in lt*34, ... C 13 £8 13 1 wniTBY cmcniT. Pub. colleclion,.. 2 2 6 Dsrliogton do. . . 1 10 2 tlALL'lWrLL Cl"- VIT. ('olleeiMHn and iubicri|iiioiH, £3,1 8 3 nci.i,evtLi.». I iiicuiT. Cullcciioii'i and subscriiiliuni, £13 15 cunnunii ciacui' Pub. collecti'iii lit Cubiiiir;; 4 A, II. (/iirpeiiler, . I I' (11111111111111,, ,. I <}. II. .S|ieiiecr, .. I IMIfiiry. i;v|...0 Heiirv Jo:ir4,. ... Mn flel.iiH Mii!« H. Ileliim,.. Mi.H A. Ililin»,..0 Mil v.. Iliick, ...0 Mi^ J. Ciiiiisiiick, £46 4 Gananoqnc public coUeuiiun 2 2 10 ■INO8TON (west.) R.hirtMLean,...0 5 A Friend 5 Susannah Wilson!) 5 Hannah J<'freis,..0 2 6 llesier lellers,...0 2 G John Ashley 2 G ■I'iios. \Vhiiley,..0 3 Henry Kilborne,..0 3 iOi KiehaidTyncr,...0 1 A Friend 3 I04 Mr. Flder 3 G MissConc, 3 G Mrs ('alTre 2 C Jas. MKorison,..0 10 Caniliiie\Vhilley,0 3 9 MarvDIcoll 5 jiilinliipnn,in,...0 10 W. v.. Norman,.. 10 JohnDinv.snn 5 Thos. lJeniley....O 2 G .Mary Ileason,.. . . 5 £4 10 BAY or QUINIE CIRCUIT. ColK at Swii^er'K, 2 10 10 do.Adoliihuslowu 1 £3 10 10 .Marl in I'iein K. .McKenzie,. . Mrs W. Duui'de VV. S. l.:onger,. John ilradlcy,. . Mrs Lindsay,. .. Juliii Pierse Isaac Diibaun,.. . Pe^er Dohson,. . . .Meriiek lawyer,. William Phil|is,..0 Samuel Pliil|is,..0 (Ji'ijrjjo Stevens,. Mrs Trollo|ic,. . . MrsC. P,iyiic,...0 (leoijjB Hurt Mrs 5 3 5 5 £15 G 3 Coll. Port Hope,. 3 10 Do. at Hope Clia- pel,» 5 8 1> Ale.v. Morrow,. . . 1 5 Junes Lan;i 1 10 Minervii Hawkins, 3 G James Hawking,.. 10 £11 6 3 * This iiicludi!! 'Ji» rruin Alex Morripw niid lis. M. Irom Mri l.iihi!. wlilcli were liiinded in SI Ibc lime of tlie nieetiuj. MURRAY CIRCUIT. Pnl). collection at (;ai rying Place, . 1 5 Subscrijtions,.. . 5 £6 5 5. Augusta District. Urockville coU'n., 4 13 4 I'rescott do. 4 2 Au^insta do. 14 4 Maiildado.tsub.8 10 11 Do. A Friend, 5 D '. Mr. tipenccr, 10 Flizabrthluwncul leriion, 11 7 Do. Mi-o Caswell, 5 Do. Mr. Forrester 10 U r . JWlMJl-Jlill.^.lU ^ S 3G Appendix to Kcpoit on Religious Grants. [No. 108.] Kideavi, llcv. Mr. llroivn Do. Mrs. Sjhaler,. U xai C. MiR.sioNAKv District. Islcof'J'aiilisub- soripliniis nnil iloualioiis,.. . . 12 II 7 I Grapplslaiid ilo. '.) 4 H j l.iikoSiiDcocMlo. 18 1.1 8 I Hue l,;ikc ilo. r, 8 7 — I Grand lUvcr ilci. 7 1,5 7 8 I Sahcreiin do, ij 7 ■'i I AinlicrsiLiiisdo, !:.' It ;!.J Muiicy,. du, ;J ."Supplying dns:ilu!u settleiiionls, poor ciri'uitiiuiiJotI iTcuiitingoiitevpensis, 347 18 2 Ualancu ii) Treasurer's Iiunds 84 10^ 7 £7: Oi ■»♦ ♦ -',.'{ 10 S 5? sums linvL' liccn ruccivcd ISecaiiiliilafion. Cr. By Total from llie Ninj^iira District, £li4 G 2a 121 140 21 72 London do " " " Toronto do " " " Buy of Quinto do " " " AuKusta do " " " Missionary do.... Casli from tlic Trensiirer of the Parent Sorifiy i 793 Cash retuincd from Grand RivcT Mission last yo.ir, 9 Cash returned from Aloliuwk Mis- sion last year, 9 14 7 8 2 5 5 13 U 5" 8 5 S 6i NoTr..— Tin; followinr :.in,-.Mlio Kopoitwas made up, and »iil be crudiledh. Ihu Kt'port lor ne.xt yiar, viz : Cramaho Femaio "i\]i,isiii per T. Ueviti, Sundry persons iji Ernestonp, ur.r E. Swiizui ^ i-nary Society, £2 10 Canada C'onfe.mice Aurilian/ 3Jissionart/ Socktij i„ nccomit ivitit James J{. Armstrmig, Treasurer. Cu, £2,aio 8 5^ ISoii MONEYS PAID TO .Mil. ARMSTRO.NO October. By ca-h from the Toronto Auxi) I iiiv Nov.2(l, lly colleelion inadu liy 11. Coat,.. " !i8, l!y ca>h Crom iVIalil.ia AMxilii'iiy thioijgU Ueorgi; Biousc, Umj '-I s. d. 1834 Feb'y, .'Vprii .5, May 1'2, 4 109 8 18ff 16 Dr. :. .^. • To the Credit Mission, £229 LakeSimcoe ifcColdwaicr missions 222 Rice and Mud Lalie Missions 174 Muncy Town mission,.. '..',] 159 Grand River n'ission ," 256 St. Clair mission " Grape Island and .V'ohawk mission Isle of Tame mission ~gg Sahgecnf!;and Godcricli mission!!! Aniherstburgli & Sand-vich mission J. Maffit, for services at the Mohawk mission in 1834, Guardian Office, for printing Re! ports, &(• Books and Stationaiy for m'ission schools, &,c Postage of Letters, &,r."on' publ'ii busiiiess B. Nankeville, for services aVilie Credit, (extra grant) Sending two Indians to Lake Niii pissing Sundry articles of Furniture "for mission houses. ..,..^__^_ ly Removing Mr. Johnson's family from tfaeMohdwkmiuiontoPiescott Q 10 9J 16 ll| 9 17 6 1 1 148 5 3 203 16 10 ■.sij. Ry donation from R. Rurr, 1 By tlie Widow's iiilio By cash from ibe Indian "children' al the Credit, | By cash from llieDalhiu Jlissioii.i-i ry Auxiliary _ _ J By CKsli from Air. Keagy (iinnual,)i By casli from the Ni.igara Auxilia- ty By cash from ihc Toronto circuit collected by Messrs. Adams i'.nd Fawcett, By cash from the Toronto circuit collecled by Mcjsrs. FoMcr & Browu, By cash from the Toronto circuit collected by William Kent,.., By cash from tbcTrafalgarcircuil, 14 1(5 1 11 (i G 17 ;t 5 5 u 13 7 8 1,-, 1 5 (1 10 13 11 9 10 1 7i Hip- 3 6 2 8i 12 7 4 3 4 Feb. 12, April, 10 17 -JL 14 U 1 19 4 10 H u MONEYS PAID TO MR. CASK. jEI 60 9 5 12 By cash from the 'J'reasurer n( the! llamillon_ Auxiliary '. . . i ,'jO 2 By collections at the Credit Mis'n, 1 By cash from the Slouey Creeki Auxiliary, I o By cash from the Salt/leet MissVi onary Auxiliary, 1 ,'j 13 By cash Salifleet donations, ] By collection ai St. Catharines,. By do. at Niagara, Uy do. at McAfee's, By donation from G. Ham, Esq.. 1 MONI.TS PAID TO KR. STIWSON. October, By cash from the Rtv G. Marsden in belialf of the Parent com- iniitce, jEOOOsterl ne, 1834 By cash from the Brockville Aux- Ftb'y, ijiary By cash fiom the Belleville Aux- iliary to Mr. Jfihnsou, By casii from theHamillcn Aux'y, By the Rice ].,ake subscription,... By the Muncey Town do Bjr cash from rbl llHir.iUon Aux'y, u f. 13 lU 3 Ui ;;i 3 18 2 1 u lU u 51 5 (i UO 4 2 6 .■-. 3 17 6 I(J 1 17 3 IV 6 3 4 • [No. 108.] Appendix to Report on Religious Grants. 37 18iM iuae, By By By By Ry By By By By By By By By By By By By By By the (irnpe Island siibscriplion, Mr. Irvine's suhscriplion, oiish from ihe Niiigani Aux'y,. Ciish from Mr. Mt'lciilf from llic ."iO Mile CrecU Auxili;iry cash from Kliziilieili, ciiah from Smiihville Aimiliiiry, Brown's Briiljjc subsctipiioii,... cash from VVoodhouso Aux'y,. cash from Simcoe dc . . cash from M'l Pleasant do. . . cash from the ,\hx liary in Kee- ler's nei^hbourliood, Mr. Gibson's subscription by Mr. CJreen, Daniel Burny's subscription,. . Alex. Campbell's subscription, subscription from Merrickville, cash from Btown's neiyhbour-j hood, cash from tlie Prescolt Aux'y, cash from Khzabetlitown do... bills upon the Treasurer of the Parent Society at dilfirenniines and appropriated to Ihe current expenses of missions 17 2 10 26 4 3j 1 9 7 2 10 1 Ki 17 (i i! 7 tl 2 7 1 15 5 1 I 4 15 87 75 35 4 9 Dr. credit mission, 1833-1 jTo the Rev. Win. Case's salary,. To the Rev. Pelcr Jones do. . . To the School Teacher do. .. To the Rev. \Vm. Case's Have lin;; expenses, To the Rev. Win. Case's horse do. To the removal of Mr. Case's fa inily from Grape Island to (he! River Credit I 5 To stationary for the Credit school,! 2 To Mr. Case's postage, ' 3 To repairing Mitsion and School-^ houses, 41 Tu the Rev. Peter Jones travelling expenses, t.\KK SIMCOK MISSION. To Rev. S. Belion's salary, To Miss Manwaring's do. school teacher, To John Simson's do. interf reler. To John Snake's do. do.... To removing Rev. S. Belton's fa- mily to mission, To Miss Manwariuif'stravelling ex- penses, To Rev. S. Belton's horse-keeping. To Rev. S. Belton's travelling ex- penses at mission, To stationary for the. school, ! iTu stove for the in'isaiun house,. .! 35 43 18 BtCR L\RK Mission. Vo Rev. U. McMullin's salary '(» do. horse keeping. To do. travelliog expenses. To Miss Penny forieatbing school months, To articles for school and board of boys in the family, To finishing tlis chapcS and mis jioa buuiei 5 1 2 10 J 2 10 12 g93 1 :'0!)l C Si 10 11 6 15 I 18 3 H 7i 4 2 2 9 207 18 75 C 10 17 14 1 10 3 5 1 7 lOi 10 5 1 9 4i 189 19 9i 75 5 3 9 6| 2C 5 7 4 04 149 6 5 266 7 U Mu-icir Tow.v Mission. To Rev. K. Allan; salary, To do. travelling expenses, I'o T. Iliirlbiirl's salary, scliocl teacher To (jieo. Ilciiry',s, do. interpreter, To Miss Ad;inis' for one (juartir's teaching To limber 'ji a new school house, To Rev. K. Adams, travelling ex- penses to Conference To lock and books for the school. 100 43 37 10 10 8 1 10 12 £' 203 C 11 r.RA>n HiVKR Mission. To Rev. J. Messiiiorc's salary I'o removing do's family to mis'n, To do's horse-keeping, &c To Moses Walker's salary, To J.iseph Doxtaler's do To John do's do To John .McEwen's do. teacher. To materials for building a school house, To stationary for mission school,.. 75 8 (i 15 37 10 37 10 12 JO 43 10 15 231 SAIKT CLAIR MISSION. To Rev. T. Turner's salary for 2 years, To family expenses, including the: removal of his family to and! from the mission, | .„ .'„ ' To furniture for the mission house. To horse, saddle and bridle fot the mission, To timber and building stable, i horse-keeping, &c i ''* " To Charles Rood and Geo. Ilea-: ry, interpreters,.... { ORAFE ISLAND MISSION. To S. Ilurlburt's salary, To John Sunday's do To Mils Hutlburt's do 102 10 16 10 18 10 1 10 6 MOHAWK MISSION. To Mr. Johnson's salary \ To Rev. J. C. Davidson for visitingi the mission, | To land for the use of the mission,! To materials for building a mission house, I To wine for the Sacrament, ', 217 10 C2 10 50 35 147 10 02 10 10 2 10 19 10 I 8 SAIIGEENC MISSION. To T. Hurlbiirt for services dur- ing part of the year, To Brother Sawyer for do To Brother Hurlburl's travelling expenses, To Brother Sawyer's do. do... To outfit for Sahgeong, including cart, oxen, nets, &c MISCKLLANBOUS APPROPRIATIONS To Sydney mission To Cavan do To the Clarendon do To the Brock do To the support of an lodiaD boy at Cazenovia, •• To debts on the Canadian missions at the Confersnce of October, 94 11 8 10 17 10 3 2 17 C 42 8 75 8 2 30 10 7 10 5 15 10 ■ - I iiiHNi'iiy.a tlSJtgS^" 38 Appendix to Report on Religious Grants. [No. 108] wmiw^iwwrmar'mm I 18.'}:{, by order of the I'resi- I (lent, paiil, To M . Fraser for miasionaiy s«i- vices, . . , ITo poslaije uii lelKrs on public j business £ Total amount of expenditures, £ 2or. 14 'M 1!) 2 -, 1 ;m 14 S ■nm () 8i .VoiK, — Under the head of Salary is embraced allow- .mc'cs of every kind, except travelling expenses. K Till' TliR Hev Kob't Alder MaRTIS, I". DIE JULII, 1828. Rkv. ROBERT ALDER, calLd in and examineJ. I You have acted as one of the missiona- ies of the British Wesleyan Conference in Canada ! — I have. l.Iulylrf2rf.J Aie you acq- 'inted with the circumstances of the Ucslpyan Methodist connexion in Upper and Lower Ca- nada!—! am very well aciiuainted with their circumstan i:e» in Lower Canada, and partially acquainted with their state in Upper Canada. Can you btale what the number, of Wesleyan ministers It present i'l Lower Canada is ?— There are nine. .\ru thosu all of them natural burn subjects of the King? —They are all natives of the United Kingdom of Ureat Uniaiu and Ireland. By whom are they employed and under whose direc- iion do :hey act ?— They are employed by the British Coi/fcrence, a body that is recognised in a deed enrolled m i!io High Court of Chancery in England; and they poniinue to act under the direction of that conference iliinng the whole period of their missionary labor. From the peiiiliar unlure of our discipline, the conduct of every minister abroad is as wcK known to the conference at huiiieas is theconduct of any of our ministei-s in Ens- land. " In what way are the Wesleyan missionaries in Lower Canada set apart to the work of the ministiy ?— By the iiniosition ol hands an.l prayer, after they have been ex- amined three several times respecting their general know- ledge and theulusical attainments, &c. Are tliey entirely devoted to their profession as missi- onaries, or are they eo'iaged also in any secular employ- ment?— They are wholly devoted to the work of the mi- ni, try; thoy are uot allowed even to keep a school for Ibeir own p.ivate emolument, whatever instruction they give to the rising generation is wholly gfatuitons. ^ From what sources do tliey derine their income ?— From the vohiiilaiy coniribiitions of the [teople amongst whom ihey labor, and the Brfti-sh conference. \Vhat i.s the average amount of income of each minis- 10', and upon what piincij i- is it regulated ?— A married missionary is allowed a furnished dwelling house, and a siuii of about lUO guineas per annum ; if he have three thddren he is allowed £^5 adililioii.al for hi.s children, uad so on in proportion to the number of his family. Then are the committeo to understand that the British Conference annually expend a Biiiii to cover tho duliciency ot the voluntary tonlributions of the peojWe in Cunada !— They do. Can you statn wb.it mm is generally cx;ionded by tho flnlsh Conference fur tho support of the Mis.HJon in'Oiii- »d&'— From £'M) to JDTOO iu siipjiort of our misaion in Lower Canada. Have each of those ministors B cliapcl al which they perform service ?— Ye.s ; and with the exceptions of tlii; niiniBters stationed at Quebec and Montreal, whose labors are chiefly contined to thoso two places, our missionaries ir. tlio country preach on tho average to five congtegalions >Veskly, aiid frequently tr&vol ftom 50 to 70 miles. ^ What is the nrmbnr of chapels or school houses in Lower Canada, which are used for tho purposes of public worship in voir c-.nne.vion >—l think we have 10 chapels in Lower CaiKulii and probably between 40 and 50 other places in whicli wo u.iually perform Divine service. (,'an you slate tlio number of the members in your Soci- eties, and the number of those who trenerally attend your coiig:-. gitioiis ?— Wo bavo about 1,500 members in our sociotifs III Lower Canada, and our congregations probably amount to bi'tween .5,000 and 6,0UO. I)) yuu li;:d that considerable numbers, exclusive of those 5,CU0 or 0,0;iO iitlend oecasional.y, tho' belonging to other dc ioin:nat:oiis !— They do occasionally. Inuliat manner are the chapels and places of public worsliij) (reeled !— By the voluntary contribulions of the people, who sometimes involve themselves in pecuniary d flicullies in erecting places of worship— our clmpol at Mnntreal cost between £4,OU0and £5,000 and the expense was delrayed entirely by the people tliere. Do you oonceivo tlierj is an abundant supply of religi- ous in.^lruition for the demands of the peo|,le?— No, I do not. coneeivi) IIhto is a sullicieiit supply ; there is not a Bulheioiit oupply of Wesleyan Missionaries in Lower Canada. What do yon conceive to be tho reason of that !— The want of pecuniary means. The monies raised by tho .Tic- ihod St coni.c.xion in England for missionary purposes are appropiiatcd for the support of missionaries in Ireland, in W('steru and Southern Africa, and in the East and West Indies, as well as in Nortli America. The reason why we wish 10 obtain a portion of tiie Clorgv Reserves is not for our private emolument ; but that wo ii'iay lie enabled to ex- tend our mis.-ionary operat oiis in Lower Canada. Have not tho Wesleyan Alinislers be ii particularly ac- tive in the eastern townships of Lower Canada!— Yes, and witli the exception of the clergymen of the Church of Eng- land there are no olhir niinisttrs connected with any ci;. clesiastical body in England, that preach in those Town- ships. Do you conceive that if the Wesleyan Ministers were wilhdrawn from the Townships, tho Church of England would be capable of supplying them with clergy !— No, I think not ;— and this is tho opinion of the (Jovernor-''leiic- ral, from wliose letter to me, which I received a i'ow days before 1 lelt the Province, 1 beg p<;rnii8slon to read an ex- tract:-" Wo all know, (his Lordship observes) that the Establisliod Church cannot provide clergymen at all places where they are required and d(s;red ; in that d.tliculty the Wesleyan Ministers have rendered most valuahie serv.ces, and I think they are qual.fied and capable to render much greater servic(.a under the protection and ciicourngcnicnl wiiioii they desire from his Wnji-sty's Government." Are there no Presbyterian Ministers of the Kirk of Scotland ui tho ^tern Townships of Lower Canada I— Not one. What other religious communities are there besides the Church of England and the Wesleyan Aleihmiists having ministers in tho country parts of Canada who act under the direction.of eecieaiastieal authorities in Great Britain ' None; there is not a minister in any of ll.nse townships, with (lie exception of the clergy of tho Church of Kmrland, and our own ministers, who acts under the direct on of any ecclesiastical authority in Great Britain. You have stated the ni/niber of methodist ministers in Lower Canada and the number of their congregations ; will you give the committee the same iiiforaaiion with re- gardto Upper Canada so far as you are auquaiiitcd with It!— 1. 1 Upper Canada tlie."e are 40 methodist in, nistert ; tlinrc arc (3(i chapels, and ahr.iit 5a0 other places in which divine service is re£rularly perliirined. Wliat do you consider to be tho number of your mem. hers, and the number of ynnr regular hearer;-, in Upper Canada!— The number of members ( f the methodist society iii^U. Can.ada is O.Ollft the number of re/riilar heur' rs ia 137,000, making oiie-lillh of the whole population of tbu Province. In addition to those you have mentioned is there not also a methodist mision among tho Missisauga Indians ?— There is, and according to tlic testimony of the Venerable Arcli- deacon of Quebec, Iho labors of the Wesleyan Minister* [No. 108.] Appendix to Report on Religious Grants. 39 Bri imongst those Indiane Imve been of great advantage to ti in a social as well as in a religious and moral point of | tlie Wcsli-'yiin coMiK^xinii is acooimtable to Government and ^^g^, : the public of Grjit IJriluin, fjr the good behavior of all Are the mothodist ccugiegations in U. Canada under the ' their mis.sioiiariei--, whereas llie niiniateis of the dieseuling direction of the miEsiomiries sunt out by the British confer- j churches can only givu th'^ir own per.-o'ial security for their g[,(,e 1 Tliey are not ; hitherto they liave been under the - good behiiviour ; wl ooucLiv- tli.it on tlml ground our claim direction ot the method, st conference of the United 8tiites ; j is much betliT tlian tlieirs. Tne Wesleyan Conll^renc(! also that connexion, however, is now dissolved, and we expect i as I have i^ta'ed. cxjieiuld a rmisiderable sum annually in that an arrungoinont will soon bo made, by which Ihu me- support of our missiiui m (,a iniii. We rest our ciann also the metliodists of Upper Canada wdl bo brought to act un- der the direct. un of tlie British conference as tlm metho- dists of Lower Canada have done for several yeaia. U there any point uf difference either in doctrine or dis- cipline between the Uritmli and American conference ' on the good llmt has b'eii elf ^ted in the Canadas througii the in.-iirunit'iitulity uf the Melliodists, and th2ir present number.-, and r: speclahihiy. ; lias there b.'Lu any dissntisfiction felt among the Wes- I leyan Mrthod.sui iii Loner C'a .ada at their not being al- Not any of iinponance. We consider ourselves to bo one 1 1 wed to keep a Regi.-ter of tlieir hirllis, marriages and bu body ; but we do not du'nm it right that the methoiUita of . rials ? — Very gnut disantitlactiun, fir allliough we are of Upper Canada should be under the jurisdiction of afoieign , opiniun that a rclusul so cuinpl^.tely opposed to everything wiclesiastical uuthorily. i I'he [olerdlioii dooo ir.t al a! I hjien us m the estimation of Then are the coiiiiniUee to nndor-iland that there would the people of L'lwerCainili, we feel it to be a degradation be no objection on tho part of tho,se congrcgat.ons, pro- to ihe coinmun.ty to wiiich w.; hcloiig, besides cither the vidcd you had tho mtaus of furnishing ministers to receive | children of our nieni;,er.< must grow up without receiving those ministers sent by tho British conference fully as rea- i from us christian liapti in, and the bodies of our deceaseu dily as those sent by tlie euiiference of New-York !— Tne 1 friends remain without the right of chtiftian burial, or we conference of tho United States does not now send any | must expose ourselves to a very severe penally in perform- ministers to Upper Canada. Tlie people are very anxious ing tho.^e duties. to bo supplied with minsters from this country; and we Is there any provincial statute whic;i according to your have the most pressing p-jtitions sent to us annually for Kn- interpretation of it, would give you the right of registry 1— ghsh minister.-. There is. By whom has tho pupply of Wesleyan ministers from Has there been a difference of opinion among tho Judges the Uniied Slates been prohibited ]— By an agreement be- !as to tho explanation of tha; s!atiUo?— There has Judgo tween the method. sts of Upper Canada and the methodist ] Sewell, the Chief Jiislic ; of the Province of Lower Cana. conference of the Uniied States. j do, has put sucii a uonstnction upon tho law as has been Tli:.n you consider that it is the desire of the methodisla ! tho means of d(>privi"g ns of a hgal register ; he has de- in Upper Canada ratiier to have ministers furnished by the I cidcd tlmt the Moihoilisls ai:d dissenters are not Protcs- British confirence than by the coiifor-nco of tho United tanis, and that as the act niorely provides for tho celebra- Htatis ! — Yep, I have reason to believe that is the case. And that it Is from tho wish of the people themselves that the methodist ministers of the United States are now prevented from coming into Upjicr Canada? — Yes; from the infliienco of British feeling. Do you conceive tliat the Colonial Government in Upper (Canada has nuinifested any des re lor tlie extension of the British Wesleyan niolhodists in that Frcvince] — 1 believe there are docuinent.-i In the Colonial-Office addressed toEurl Balhuri-t and lo Mr. Iluskisson from Sir Peregrine Mait- laiid which will slicw tliat Ins Kxcellency is very anxious tion of those snrvici'S by Prot".s'ant Ministers, we are not entitled to perform them I Jud._re Reid and his associates of tho Court of Kin^''s Boncii in the district of Alontroal, are of a different opin on ; ns a proof of which. Judge Reid for some years graiued our missionary in Montreal a legal register. Was there not a bill pas-s'd in tho provincial Ipgislaturo for the purpose of remedying this inconvenience .'—There was. Are you aware of the grounds on which the Royal as- sent was refused to that bid ! — I believe it was not on ac- that the number of British methodist ministers should be ! count of any objnclion to ih,' principle of llio Lill, but on increased as far as pois.hlo in Upjier Canada ; and I un- ; account of so.ne informaliii 'S connected with it. derstand that ho wrote home a short timo i go recommend- \ Would it be satisfactory to the Wesleyma in general if iniT that pecuniary aid might he allowed us for that , a short act were pas-iod, bi'inn a d'claraiory act of the in- nu>|)osi'. I 'entions of the disputed statute of the Soth of George the lio you consider that under the 31st of the late King the , Drd ? — It would. Wesleyan Methodists have any claim according to the let- I Upon what footing done this matter stand in England? — ter of the statute, to any share of the Clergy reserves, or We are allowed to administer tlie sacram.Mit of baptism, are they only dcsirnii.s of obtaining a portion of them, in ^ and to bnry the dead in Kn!;land ; and we licop regular re- cns'^ ihe statute should h.; altered lu that point !— There is ' gi^lcrs of our b:'ptisms and burial-. adiff renceof opinion iiiiioag usonthi.s sul'jeet, hiiitheg.;- I Have you siniiiar rgitsiii the oth' r Nerth American neral opinion of our niiiii>tcrs in Lower Canada 1 b'licvj is ! Cglonuisl— In all-the North American (/'rlo.ii's we are al- thiE, that if ilie reveiiu s bj appropri ited to the sole use of' low(;d to adoiinister llie ^acrament of baiit mi, and bury tlie Ciiurch of England, weshall offer no oljuction to it, but , thu dead, and in the province of Nom Scot a we are al- Ihal it the Pr.-sbyleri,ins are to have a ly part of tho:^e re- lowed aUoto solemnize marriages; we have always cnjoy- serves then we coiice.vo tint wo have at least an equally irood claim with them; and we should be very niucli dis- satisfied if our claims w.re di.salluwrd cd th's privileg.i in Nova Scoiia as ali other ministers of the (iospd do llicre. Do you know -whetlior the Inw is different, or whether Do you mean then (o foninl yoir cl lini to a share in tho the contttuction jmt upon it is different ?— The law is dif- Clergy reserves onlynpou a principle of iqiiiiy a.i being one ■ fVrj.il. of the nio;t numerous bodies of Prolc-tints in tiiat coun- | Have there been any disputes with regard to burial- try, and not upon tin: pr.nci,ile of thi' pr.cise construction I grounds in Canada, between the churcii of England and of the law!— As I have already s a'ed liiere is a dilforeneo ! tlio Wesleyan Mcthodists.UB to solemnizing the right of bu. of op iiioii upon that sul'jett, f^inne of our frii'iids tliink we j rial, as there have been between the church of England have a legal chiiin, and others tiin't that no oiherdenomln- and the Presbyterians ?— No, we have nut been involved in at.oii bus any claim in law but tke Church of England, how. pver Ihe geuiTal opinion amoii^a! us on tho Bul.ject is whit I before slated to the couiuiittee, ntipporfl there wer.-' ~.-\ alinraiio^i f.-i ir!;?, plaoa in tliis respect by which yon were en ihleil lo make good your claim to any portion of the reserves, iifoii what principle would you exclude other denoininat oiiaiif Protestant dissenters t — We do not wish to exclude tliein,hut we conceive lliatwu are placed in totally different circumslaneed fiom Dieauuu any sncsi controversy. You have stated that tho Wesleyan Methodists in Ca- nada would bo dissatisfied if any portion el the clergy re- spivps =!i.oi|,i he, sTiplied !;; tha Pre.'ihylerians : are yi-.n not of opinion that the; stand upon a diflerciit footing with yourselves seeing that they are one of Ihe churches established and recngniaed by law f — We know nothing of the Presbyterian chuich of Scotland as an established cUurcU oat of Scotland ; wa ?ieH it as a strictly local e«. 40 Appendix to Report on Religious Gmiits. [IVo. 108.] tahliiihment, 3nd ive think that its niinistors havo no right to enjoy any peiuliar privilfyes in any of iih majosly's co- lonies beciiuso they belong to the church of Scotland. Ho you consider it as confined to Scollaml 1— Yes. In what Iii;ht do you view the Presbyterian chnrch that " established in Ireland '—1 am nwnro that there are a tew rrcshyicrian churches estal)lishc.l in llie north of Ire- land, but I am nnl aware that tho Prcsbsieiiaa church is established in Ireland generally. Are you aware that at ono lime they had posnns5inn of the tithes in the norili of Ireland ?— Yes, but ihc^ never were in possession of snch a privilege in Canada, nor in any of the North American colonies; it would be iVIi as it grievance if wo were to liavo two, ecclesiastical liierar- i chies endoweil in ihe colouie'i. | In what way do you suppose that thall urthen would press I upon you ?— Wo mean that if the Presbyterian church. ' as well a.s the church of England, were to be established I and endowed in the colonip.x, there would be two ecclesi- , aslical establishments in the coiinlrv which other denomi- laiions would be very much dissatisfied with. Yon are aware that in case tliese two establishment? *er» erected they would nui be paid out of the taxes up- on the country ?-No, they would not ; but the Wc.leyan denommationhasamuch greater number of ministers and of or^-aniHt-d churches in Canada than tho Presbyte- nans liav,-, and at least done as iniich to promote the re- ligious and moral improvement of tho people; ihiir loy- ally is well known, it is aclin,>wledsed in this letter, and Hasb»en acknowledged upon various occasions by iho dilterent Ooverni.rs in British North America; and wa shonid be dissatislied if the Presbyterians were t.. bo pla- cedinmore favourab'ecircmnslances than we are, .is wo cannot conceive of any good claim that they have to ibo enjoyment of any privilege in tho colonies to which »■« are not entitled. I Are there any members of ynnr persuasion in either of \ the Legislative .Assemblies !-Tliere are in the I nwer I lIousBof Upper Canada ; and several of them are in ijia ^ommissioii of rlie Peace, and hold commissions In tho Provincial Militia. .Vre any of them either in t+io Lcgiilalive or tho hxe- culive Councils? — I believe not. Are there any Presbyterians in either Council '—I d,> not know;_l should wish U, sta'e, that we consider our- selves as a branch of tha church of England, both at DoinB and abroad. TABLE OF CONTENTS. PAGE, Ar'.icles of Union 27 Doctor Towiiloj'a Letter 28 Evidence of Hev. E. Evans 6 7)itio 'Jiti:» ib Dis>o of Rev. J. Richardson 11 Dit,. of Rev, VV. Case IG Dilto of Mr. Thomas Vaiix 19 Ditt'. of Rev. J. Richardson , 20 Ditto of Rev. D. Culp , , i-i Ditto of Mr. J. R. A rmstrong,*. , , . i . . ib. 1 Ditti> of R(v. E. Ev;ins 23 Ditto of Rev. J. liicharilion 24 Ditto of John Willson, Esq >«, jh. Ditto of Rev. Joi. Stinsoii ']% 25 Ditto of Rev. J. F!aniifaii..^ .•. 26 Oilto of Rev. Robert Alder, before Coni- mitleo of Hduao of Coinmons in E ngland ■ 38 Kwracl from Minuics nf Coift'tce ^London) 23 Da. from proceediiigs of Wesla^ran B.(>»rtR, % .■ m '" - *'^''' ,,,. . , PAor. ofMisstons (London) 31 Letter from Col. Rowan 28 Do. to Dr. Townlcy, from Pro't. & Sec'y of Missionary board of U. C 29 Letter from tjie Secretaries of ilie Wes'ey- an Missionary Society London. . . 30 Do frnm Rev. Rohirt Alder to Rev. J. Ryerson jb. Do from the President and Secretary of iheVVesleyan Missionary board of Upper Canada, to the Secretaries of the London Wesieyaii Missio- nary Committee 33 Resolutions pnsseiJ on tlie subject of Doctor Townley's Letter 28 Ditto of the board nf Missions of tho U. C. Confereuce 30 i.Treaiur«r's Arcouoti gg 5f ■<5^!>- ^^>'j, ^.*..-*