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The mi'inbeis of tlio (U'piitatioin from (Uiis- 1 gow, Diimk'O, Abtrilocji), ond otliti' ilistrictn of i Scotland now in l.omlon in conncution with ''lu, agitation for tlu> ri'inoval of tlic iTHtriction'< o\i tlio iiuporti tion of Caiimiian iive ntock met in West- ; minstof I'alaco Hotel, along with a laigo nnmber of monilier,-. of I'ailianKMit, ininciiially to lu-ar a state- \ ment liy Sir ('. 'rnpiior, High Conimiasionor for Canada, on tlio attitude of tlie Dominion uiion this imiiortant question. l';.\-rrovo.st ]jrowno, Crosslidi, convenor of the Executive Committee, i>rosidcd, and, in introduc- ing Sir C. Tuiijier, exproNsed their great disappoint- ment that the J5oard oi Agric dture not only refused to remove the lestrictions, liut would not continue the inspection of tin: animals on tlieir arrival. The matter had tlieri'fore a-isumod a very serious foim, and they thought it advisable to ;;o again to Jlr Carduer and state their c;iKe. PRI'.LII^IINAUY MKETING. Sl'KKOH BY Mill C. TlTI'l'EK. Sir C. Tl'l'l'i;!!, who was very coidially roceiveiilavieas|ileiirii-|ay that that quarantine regula- tion is established alo g the boundary between the I'liited Slates and Canada, because it is well known that pleuropnenmoiiia baa existed in tlie United States fur many years. There is one point upon wliicii the Veterinary surgeons of the Department of Agriculturo are entirely agreed, and that is that the cases which they held to be' pleuro-pneumonia in September, IS',10, coining fiom Canada, and the two eases that they held to be pleuro-pneumonia in ."^eiiteniber last coming from Canada, and the case now under cmisideration are all precisely of the same character, and that the pathological ex- amination of the lungs proves the cases of IHOOand of October last and of tho jircsent time to be prac- tically identical. They admit that they do not all possess the same characteristics that pleuro. pneumonia shows in tiiis country, but they hold it to be pleuro-pneumoiiiii, niul declare that the eamiu are all identical. ,MU ClIAI'MN'a llETIIODa, Now, when Mr (!hapliii was rrosident of tho Hoard of Agricultnrp, and had the responsibility ^ of dealing with this ipiestion himself, tiieso same j gentlemen reported in October, IcSKO, tiiat four cases of undoubted plenro-pueumoiiia in Canailian cattle had been found to exist. liut Air t'haplin 1 did not scheduli! Canada. He had tlio responsi- j bility himself, and not that of pressing it on a ! (jo\eriiment to Hliieh he was opposed, but he shrank from that, and he inndn the Htatoment that I have just read to you, that it was a case that re- cjuired the utmost care and supervision. (Ap- plause.) lint what more? 'l\vo years after ho hail inid those " identical" cases reported to him by bin veterinary department as |ileuro-pueuinoiiia, Mr Ohaplin deolniKil in a public mectiiiK, addroHHiiiK ^K sunn The Canadian Cattle Scandal. )AL. 1 reatiictlms o-iineuinoiiin oimuumonia On the con- duty of the the iinporta- o show that t exist, and occur iu the but Oanailii iiccesHity of yslaugliterod L'l'd of bU)od- of the most f 100, and station woio e miles round ■atioii of tlieir ineiimonia if vas the only t never got )lausc. ) On utiue regula- lietween tlie IS well Unown u tlie Uiiiteil 10 iioiut ui)ou Deiiai'tu.ont il that is that ))iic'Uinonia in iida, and the lo-pni'umonia ada, and the 11 jirccisely of tholo;;ical ex- es of l,S!H)aiid ine to 1)0 inac- hey do not all that pleuro- t thuy hold it that the cusuu isident of the responsihility If, liu'su samu too, that four a in Canailiau It iMr C'ha|ilin tho rosponsi- eHHin)r it on a [losed, hut lie dutuini^nt that a case tlint rti- vidion. (Ap- .1 after he had to hiui hy his neunionia, Mr hi)t, aildrOHHliiK the Chamhors of jAgriculture on tiie 2d November last, that pleuro-piieumonia had never ej ^ed in Canada, lie said— (Janaihi Iiiid :»hvays hitherto boon Hnp|jo>^etia- lion-, O.iiiiuliaii cattle li.ul lueri allowe I to outue iutu the country fr,-e. Why did he say that when he had the evidence of the veteiinary olheersof his Department before him that two years hefoie there had been those cases? 1 will tell yon why he said it. lie s,dd it because ho hae two years about a quaiter of a million cattle had been brought from all parts of Canada and been sent free all ovir this country without a trace of pleuropneumonia existing; or discover.d)le. That was the ground on which Mr Chaplin declared two years afterwards that i)leuro had never existed in Canada. Jjut mark what more Ol-'l'lCIAL INCON.SISTKNOIKH. These gontloinen say that the cases nre identical. About eight months auo they reported to the J)e])artment of Agriculture that two cases identi- cally the .same as those found in IS'.IO had pre- sented themselves of undoubted iileuro-piieumonia, and on that declaration the (jovernment schedided I 'anada. 1 hav(^ no hesitation in sayii g that they ilid it unwillingly, but they did it, acting as they consiilereil it was necessaiy for them to act on tin,' ailviceof the responsible otIiceiH of the Jlepartment. I will do tliem the justice to say that the Com- mittee of Her .Majesty's J'rivy I'ouncil did me tho h iiour of leceiving andconsidling nie ane- ilom of Canada^ from pleuro-ptieumonia lliaii the facts that now stand in evidence. 1 will brielly state why I say so. Ksery )ierson who Knows any- thing about pleuio ])neumonia knows that it is \ 1)1.SK.\SK 'ni.\'1' I'ANNdT UK I'DNUI AI.l-.l), and that it is known by evidences impossible to conceal. Yet fihe country. The C(dony was searcheil from end to end. The dis- tricts from which those cattle came were specially investigated, and not a tiace of pleuro-pneumouia was found in the whole colony, simply becau.se it dill not exist there. (.\ppl,iu-e.) I cauiiot under- stand how any man, much more a veteiinary suigcoti, could hold the doctrine that tiiis was pleiiro-pneuinonia. Where is the country in the world that had pleuro-pneiimonia in it anil where it had not been discovered? (Aiiplnnse.) KjriNKNT VKTKIil.N'AllV WL'KGKDNs' Ol'INMdNH. 'J'he inosi: eminent veterinaiy surgeon in this country, and some of the most eminent veterinary surgeons i, and that I should be allowed to personally investigate the case. I went down, and the eminent veterinary surgeon who had been sent down by the department had the candour to say that he had made A COMPLETE MISTAKE. When a few of the animals weie killed they could not find a trace of Texan fever in connection with the case. The result was tiiat the report was amended, the Order was removed, and tlie cattle allowed to go over the country. That is an evi- dence that these gentlemen are not infallible. (A Voice — " Wliat was INIr Gordner's reply to 3'our proposals ?") It was that the Department would give the most careful consideration to my proposals. (Laughter.) But the answer iias been to stop the examination of Canadian cattle, and to adopt a policy which means that for this t;;no henceforth and for ever no animal shall be allowed to come from Canada to this country alive. I was asked by the Government of Canada to apiwint a veterinary surgeon to assist in the examinations, and having done so that official maile a report, in which he pointed out the difference between con- tagious pleuro-iineumoiiia and the disease which was found to exist on that occasion. Everything that Canada could do has been done, and this ques- tion I shall have to leave in abler haiuls. A WAliNINO. But if it is found that one of the most important branches of the (Canadian trade is to be destroyeil by three gentlemen, however eminent, who are veterinary surgeons, and in face of the fact that, after the closest and fullest ami most careful exa- mination, no trace of pleuropneumonia can be found in Canala, I say it will produce in the minds of intelligent men of all parties and classes a sense of the great insecurity of the most important brunch of our trade, (.\pplanse. ) On the motion of ex-l.ord I'rovost Ure, Glasgow, a cordial vote of thank-i was given to Sir C. Tuii|)ir, and then the most of those present iiroeeedoil to the interview with the Miidster for Agriculture. INTERVIEW WITH GAllDNEU. iMll QUIBBLES AND FI,ATTEIIY. RKSTIlICriONS NOl" TO BK UKMOVKD. About noon the members of the dnputation had an interview with flIrHerbeit (Jardner, president of the Board of Agriculture, at the office of the Department in .St James's ,S(inari', I'all RIall. The deputation, which was introiluced by thelCailof Aberdeen, consisted of the following gentlemen : — Mr Andrew Hutolieson, farmer, Westmill, I'erth- shire; Jlr .lolin Alexander, farmer, JJallindarg, Kirriemuir; Rlr .loiin S. Smith, Alienicen ; ex- Lord I'rovost Ure, Glasgow; Messrs Itrowne and Cnmming, and Bailies Graham ami Brechin, anil Mr Jlonnor, all of (ilasgow; ex-I/ord I'rovost Hunter, ISailies Perrie and M'Kinnon, Treasurei ■\Villsher, and Afessrs Thomson and Watson, all of Dundee ; and Rlr T. II. Mackenzie, secretary. Ac- oompanving the deputation were numerous mem- bers of Parliament, most of whom liad also attended the preliminary meeting at Westminster Palace Hotel. Among others were : — The Karl of Cnmperdown, Lord Kiunaird, Sir dohn Leng, Mr Kdmund Uobertson, Mr W. AVhitelaw, Rlr (jia.'mc Whitelaw, Mr Anstruther, Sir W. Wedderburn, Sir J. Carmichael, Sir C. Cameron, Dr Faripihar- son, Mr Jack, Jlr Parker Smith, Mr G. Beith, Mr F. Shaw, Mr Crombie, &c. The Karl of Aukudkkn said that the deputation which he had the honour of introducing was one which waited upon the right lion, gentleman with reference to the same subject in February last. The number of getlemen composing the deputation was not so large as on the former occasion, but it must not bo supposed that on the present occasion they were less repre-ientative than then. In fact, there was a more complete and thoroughly represen- tative delegation now, for this reason, that after the occasion of the former deputation a Committee was aj)pointed of those interested in the matter. That Committee in the fullest sense represented a large community. The next point he desired to emphasise was that it must not be supposed that, because this was virtually the same deputation as before, ami because they were here on the same subject, it was merely a case of pertinacious [legging away with a reijuest. On the contrary, they ajkeil the right lion, gentleman to receive them because they considered tlir-t a totally new issue had been raised. Having heard that the inspection of Cana- dian cattle was to be stopped on the ground that a suspected case had occurred, they desired very eiirnestly to submit that it would be most important and desirable that such a grave i:tep should not be taken upon a case on which there happened to be un(iuestionably some dirference of opinion, but that the inspection should be continued with the view of ascertaining what was necessary on the whole ques- tion. Jlr Andrew Hutcheson said he had been ap- pointed one of the spokesmen of the deputation because he was a large farmer, both in Perthshire and Forfarshire, and was jierhaps one of the largest private feeders since Canadian cattle were introduced there. He had hai' the advantage also of a veterinary education, and had had consider- able experience of the management of large cattle stocks in the Australian colonies in his younger days. (Hear, herir. ) All present were awaie that Mr Gardner was personally anxious to remove the restrictions, and if anything he might say might seem to give offence, he hoped the right lion, gentleman woidd forgive it, and, if in the course of his speech he trod on the toes of the veterinary department, they also must forgive him, because ho came there to execute a jndilie commission as the mouthpiece of this deputation. (Applause.) Mr tJardner's letter, or rather the letter of his secretary, sent to Mr Mackenzie in (ilasgow, told them that Mr Gardner had stated in effect that ho had arrived at the eoiiclnsion that he would not bo justified in restoring the privilege of free i ntry in the Das'* of Canadian cattle until he was in a jiosition by examinations extending over a reason- able and sufficient period as to the condition of the IniiL'sof the catti" lauded for slaughter, and that the I'resident o, the Boanl of Agriculture trusted that the result of such an exatniuation might bo to confirm the view that the rociuiremeiit of slaughter at the port could bo waived with reasonaitio security against the impintation of disease, in which case, and in the absence of any unfavimrable news from Canada, he would feel bound to allow free entry to bo resumed. He (Mr Hutcheson) did not know what Mr Gardner's opinion was, but his own, and that of all those Iki represented, was that there was such reasonable security — (applause)— and he was sure that all who heard Sir C. Tapper's address that morning woulil agree that Sir Charles with (Appl Cham amoiij micro ami ai pose. I might sible t they Now, th.y i The Canadian Cattle Scandal, Westminster -Tlie Karl of hu Leiig, air V, Rlr (iufmc Weikleiburii, Dr Farquiiar- CJ. IJeith, Mr 10 (Iciiutatioti cing was one ntleman with 'ebriiary last, le deputation icasion, bat it isent occasion icn. In fact, glily represen- on, that after 1 R Committee 11 the matter, represented a he desired to supposed tliat, deputation as e on tlie same lacious pegging iry, they a.iked them because ssue bad been action of Cflua- ground that a desired very nost important slioulil not be appened to be linion, but that ath the view of ;lie whole (juea- had been ap- ;he deputation in I'ertlishire s one of tlie an cattle were advantage also 1 liad consider- of large cattle in his younger vere aware that to remove the ght say might the right hou. m the course of the veterinary c him, because ciimmission as n. (Applause.) le letter of his Chisgow, told .. elfect that he ho would not be f free i ntry in 1 ho was in a ; over a reason- condition of the uhter, and that (f Agriculture m examination ,he recpiirement )e waived with importation of absence of any he would feel med. Ho (Mr Mr (jardnei's lat of all those such reasonable \i.' that all who morning would CONVINCED EVERY OPEN MIND present that there was such reasonable security in the case of Canada. (Api)lause.) If the present coinlitions justified the exclusion of the fri'e entry of Canadian cattle, he would like to ask the light lion, gentleman to tell the deputation what circum- stances would justify their ailmission. (Louil ap- plause.) He did not understand how the right lion, gentleman or his Department could aa}- tliat one suspicious lung among 40,000 cattle could justify evclusion. Mr Gahdneu— There were three lungs in this last instance. Mr HuTCHKSON — I uinlerstood the present pro- position of the Department was the result of the inspection of the AVinnipeg lung. Mr Gardner — There were three, as I stated in a previous answer. Mr HuTCHESON said that the right hen. gentle- man might contradict him afterwards, but they had nnderstoo I that it was the result of the examina- tion of tliat pr.rticuhu' lung, an examination which occuiiied the Department three weeks. (Applause ) Since the ca^.tlo were condemned in autumn about 40,000 had been admitted from Canada, about 15,000 of which were landed and distiibuted through .Scotia id, and some of tliein were living to this day ; and, if the Hoard had lieanl of any. disease among them, the agriculturists of Scotland had heard of none. Tlie lungs of 30,0<'0 slaughtered cattle had been subjected to critical examination, and they umlerstood that the C(mdemnation of the Canadian cattle was principally etfected on the state of the lungs of tlie one aniiiml. AVell, Mr Gardner .'■aiil, and they believed it, that he was anxious to restore free entry of Canadian cattle as soon as possible, but if he discontinued the inspection of the animals, WHAT CONl'IDENOE COUr.n THEY HAVE that this free inipnrtation would ever bo ri^stored. (.\pplause.) The Canadian cattle were now brought in on the same coniiitions as the United States cattle. They were not subjected to inspection, and there was nothing to prevent them getting mixed with the States cattle. The light lion, gentleman told them that it was a case of contagious iileuro- pneumonia. The veteiinaiy department might be so convinced, but practical fanners and practical veterinarians in Scotland were not cmiviiiceil. (Applause.) If it were contagious jdeuro there would surely have been more tlian threi.' cases found from among th.ise 10, 000 animals. (Applause.) The opinion of the deputation was that it was simjily inllamination of the lungs— a sporadic ca-e of pleiiro, but iK/t iilcurii-ptu uinaiiid cuntii(/inKii. If the Department woulil produce the lungs and say, " Here are two or three lungs, (Jiie in the incipient stage, me worse, and a third in a very bad state ' — and it could be told without the aid of a micro- Bcope or a veterinary surgeon either — then they would accept the decision o! the Hoard. Say what tliey liked about it, the ]5oard had brought itself into THOROUGH niSOREPlT with those whom the deputation represenled. (Applause.) 'lake 40,000 cattle from across the Channel, and bow many eases would you find among theiii. (Hi'ar, luar.) He faneied that the microscope might be laid on the shelf, (Laughter and applause. ) When he heard of the ti'st pio- posed for the Canadian cattle, he had said they might throw np the eaiisi, because it was impos- sible that any cattle couhl stand that test unle>s they were to have impartial judges. (Ajiplause.) Now, with regard to tlio veterinary department, thi'V ill Sootlnnd had NO CONKIDKNCK in that doparlmoiit uf the lioard. Hi; did not sny the Department acted willingly or from any pre- disposition against the cause which the deputation had at heart, hut they were not infallible — (hear, hear)— and they had hadjiroofs that the veterinary department had made mistakes in the past. Sir C. 'i'ujiper had told them of one, and what he had to urge was that the Department should not refuse to allow an impartial investigation; yet they had constantly refused to allow an independent ex- i amination of the lungs of the animals on which I they came to their decision. Mr (Jardner at the present juncture had kindly allowed the Canadian I Government to send an expert along with the 1 Veterinary Inspectors of the 15oard, and that ex- pert, Mr Hunting, had reported that he DWAGREKl) ENTIRELY with the verdict of the Board of Agriculture. Why, then, should Mr Gardner bind him- self to the verdict of the veterinary officers of his Department in this ca.su V Why should he not act as, say, a medical man would act in a difficult case, and get his cliagnoiia confirmed by the best independent assistance they could obtain, and before proceeding to condeinn this Canadian cattle tra'le. (.Applause.) The opinion in Scotlaiul was that the Hoard should allow outside evidence of a professional chaiacter to be brought to bear on this subject. In regard to THE FUTURE OF THE TRADE, now tliat Lheie was to be no special inspection, they could not see how this ban was to be removed. They gave Mr (iardiier and his Board creilit for the opinion that this was being ilone to pievent disease, but at the same time there was a strong opinion iu Scotland that there was a good deal of veiled pro- tection about. Whatever the right lion, gentle- man's verdict, they were confident that at least they had justice on their side. (Applause.) Mr John S. Smith (.Vberdeen) next addressed the President of the lioard. He said that, if ho spoke strongly, it would be because he felt strongly on this subject. He was a memhi r of the Executive Committee, aiid also interested in one of the largest agricultural industries in the counties of Aberdeen, Kincardine, and Forfar, and knew pretty well the feeling of the majiuity of farmers in the north-eastern counties of .Scotlaiul, and lie could assure the light lion, gentleman that, if they could have been there that day along with himself, they would fully en lorse every word that had been sail! by the last speaker. Had tlie right iioii. gentle- man been present at one of tlii^ largest markets in Forfarshire on Saturday last and heard the words of praise and admiration for his action — as they thought — in removing the slaughter Drder, and then the wordsof righteous indignation when tlii'y found tint it applied to the removal of the inspection, it wcnild have had coiisi.leiable weight in carrying the convic- tion to his minil that in this matter .soacked in a truck, followed hy a long sea voyage ; anil it wonld he snrnrisintr if a few out of so many did not contract some kind of lung disease. The evidence was that the disease was of recent origin. 'i'here was another point that he would strongly urge — namely, the restoring of the inspectors at ports of landing. Ihey failed to see how it was possihle for the right hon. gentleman to k^ep an open mind if he shut up all the sources of in(|uiry and investigation, and, although he sheltered hhns.'lf behind the Act of Parliament, they were of opinion that a reasonalile construction of the clause referring to foreign animals would enable him at once to undo what ho did last autu'nn, and which they believe was done without, justification, and again allow free entry to Canadian cattle into this country without slaughter. Tiie Contagious Diseases Animals Act said— "In re- lation to foreign animals other than those hrousiht fr(Mn the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man, if and as long as from time to time the I'rivy Coni'cil are satisfied with resjiect to any foreign country that the laws thereof relating to the importation and exportation of animals and to the preven- tion of the introduction or s))reading of disease, and general sanitary condition of animals therein, are such as to atFor I reason- able security against the inipoitation there- from of diseased animals, then from time to time the Privy Council by general or special onler shall allow animals, or a.iy specified kind of animals, i lironght from tljat country to he larided without ! being s\d)ject, under the provisions of this schedule, j to slaughter or to quara\.iine." Where was there ! another country under the sun where the same im- j munity from iiisease was found or that could stand j the rigid tests that had been applied to Canadian cattle? They asked t!ie right hon. gentleman to carefully recons der the whole matter, as the^- firmly believed that the consequences of his ac ion now would have more far-reaching efTects than he was at ])reseut awaie of. From information just received from Canada the feeling was viM-y strong in condemnation of the action of the ]5ritish Poaid of Agricultuie. The t-'amidians said they had no faith in the Hoard's experts, and looked upon the action of the Department as a betrayal of the in- terests of the Dominion. (Hear, hear.) liailie liiiKCIIiN. (ilasgow, said he spoke for (Jlas- gow ami the West of Scotland. Three months ago he had the honour of submitting, along with Principal M't\vll, to Professor liiown the jjlans of erections which the liocal .\uthoiily were about to put u]i at Sbieldhall for the slaughter of Canadian cattle. These erectioris were eiuistructed to the entire satisfaction of the Agricultural Department, at a cost of nearly t.'ltlOO to the Local Authoiity. The whole (piestion there had got the fiiirest jiossible trial, and I'rineipal M't'all, who hail a world-wido reputation, gave the inspection his per- sonal attention, and, attei a careful examination of 711(11) cattle, not so much as a single case of jjleuro was found. They deefily regretted that that inspection should have been so hurriedly with- drawn. They had never admitted, and they were not yet jn'oparod to admit that contagious |)leuro existed in (.'anadian cattle. If the animal from tho liake Winnipeg had been infeeteii with con- tagious pleuro, other cattle woilil suridy have been affected. In the opinion of the deputation tho disease was simply a contracted cold. As the animal luul probably weathered tho storm of six or eiglit winters, it was much more Busceptiblc to contract an affection of the lungs. The keep- ing of the restrictions as they were was having, and was certain to continue to have, a most in- jurious effect on the value of (Canadian cattle, causing a first-class bullock of 800 lbs. net weight to be jiiite 50s less valuable that what it would be in the open market. A large and imi)ortant industry, representing a sixth part of the total ex- ports from Canada, or quite two millions of money annually, was being hamiiered, and, he might also say, partially mined. lie atfirined strongly that store cattle were not to be had irrespective of price to fill the farmyar.la and stalls outwith Canadians. AVhat was required at the i)resent was that tho question should be looked at from a commonsenso standpoint, and pathological and microscopical ideas put aside. A feeling had prevailed in some quarters, which he never shared, that if once tho restrictio.is were in force they would never bo removed. He had more faith in the honesty of the (iovernmeut. Mr Gardner might expect their fullest assistance and co-operation in the extinction of disease, in whatever form it might appear ; but they would never rest so long as their belief was that they were being unjustly dealt with as in the prestnt case. Mr HEUItKltT Gakdnei!, wlio, on rising, was re- ceived with some applause, saiil — My Loril .Vber- deen and gentlemen, I need not tell you that I have listened with the deepest respect and attention to the very forcible speeches of the gentlemen who have addiessed me, and the very able arguments they have brought before me. Prom my piunt of view, I regret most deeply that decision to wiiich I was obliged to arrive after the most anxious and careful consideration of the whole facts and aspects of the case. Mr Hutchesmi seeinej to attach to tlie microscopical examination of the lungs a different meaning to that for which it was insti- tuted. The microscopic examination was not made on the lungs, because we were in doubt as to what the disease was, as far as my veterinary advisers were conceiiicd, but because we wished in this matter to act with the utmost fairness to all parties Concerned, and to give every opportunity of clearlj' demonstrating that this was a subject of infectious disease. With regard to THH la'TL'HE, instructions have been giveti that the inspection will be continued — (hear, hear) — not the special inspection which, as I told you at tho time, was oidy for a brief period, bnt ins)>ectiou at the port similar to that in the case of United States cattle. (.V Voice — "No use.') We have exactly followe 1 the precedent in the case of the United States both in regard to the special examination and to the piesent system. It is aigiied by a very largo and intluential body in this countiy that slangliter at the port should be maintaiiiid forever. With that argument I Iiave not got the slightest sympathy — (hear, beat )— and I assure you most eaiiiestly that I would allow nothing to hinder me restoring at the piesent moment the privilege which you ask, and which I am bound by law to restore when the occasion justly arises, if 1 felt I could do so consistently with the conscientious discharge of my otlice. I recognise to the full the view that you have come to express to me this afternoon — that the free entry of ( 'anailian cattle into Scotland is advantageous not only to the Dominion but to many importers ami feeders at home — and I do not complain, I have no bnsitu^ss to complain, of iho plain and forcible language in which you have ex- pressed your feelings on the subject and upon the decision at which tJie Department has arrived. I have no doubt that those interested in the feeding of store cattle have in tho past derived advantages therefrom. I hope from my heart that the time will come and may not bo long distant when they 1^^ The Canadia't Cattle Scandal. The kecp- ivaH liaviiig, a, mo>ress, as you logically may, and as Mr I'ield indicated, for the repeal of these Acts, the result will be that all your ports will be closed tor ever. That was a change i)roposed only the other day in tlie House of Commons, and s'lp- porteut if I am unable, and I regret to be unable, to hold out any expectation of a restoration of the privilege of free importation from Canada during the present scascui, I neverthe- less cherish the hope that it may be my good for- tune eventually to find myself in a position to give effect to what Is my wish as well as your own. Your interests and the interests of t'anada are matters to me of the deepest concern, and if for the present I amcompelletl to act contrary to what you very naturally hold to be your own interest, I can say without fear of contradiction that if I have been obliged to perform this most painful, delicate, and disagreeable duty it is solely and absolutely in view of the paramount responsibility confid' d to me by 'aw of protecting the whole of the United King