ir PRICE SIXPENCE. ^><^ IMPERIAL Of r FEDERATION. IRepoit OF THE CONFERENCE HELD JULY 29, 1884. ^><^ CA88ELL & COMPANY, LIMITED: London, Paris & New York. Imperial Federation. IRepovt of the Confetence HELD JULY 29, 1884, AT THE JFESTMINSTim PALACE HOTEL, The Right Hon. W. E. FORSTER, M.P., IN THE CHAIR. I'UBLISHED BY AUTHORITY OF THE COMMITTEE. CASSELL & COMPANY, Limited LONDON, FARIS <0 NEW YORK. 1884. List of the Provisional Kornniittee. Crijtiirman. The Riout Hox. W. E. FORSTER, M.P. CTommittfc. FREDERICK YOUXG, Esq. ) } Vice-Chairmen, Captain J. C. R. COLOMB. ) Sin DANIEL COOPER, Baiit. W. J. COURTIIOPE, Esq. R. R. DOBELL, Esq. W. GISBORNE, Esq. ALEXANDER STAVELEY HILL, Q.C., 5I.P. J. B. WATT, Esq. Sir SAMUEL WILSON. Tjie Hon. HAROLD FINCH HATTON, 11), Bury Street, W. I j^^^^ J. DENNISTOUN WOOD, Esq , ' treasurers. 82, Liidbroke Grove, S.W. F. P. LABI L LI ERE, Esq.,\ 5, Pump Court, Temple, E.G. H. 0. ARNOLD-FORSTER, Esq,, 80, Eccleston Square, S.W. Hon. t Secretaries. TABLE OF CONTENTe^. I'AliK List or Provisional Committee '" 1, .... viii riu;rACE List or those Attending the Confeuence LeTTEUS AlTllOVINCJ THE OrJECTS OF THE CONFERENCE 12 Extracts from Letters : — The Marquis of Lorne *'^ Lord Woi,seley Sir Alexander Galt Sir Henry Parkes ^^ Sir Charles Gtavan Duffy ^*' Sni Thomas McIlwraith ^^ Viscount Hampden ^^ Sir Henry Barkly Sir Leonard Tilley ^"l The Hon. Lavington Glyde '7 Sir John Rose ... ..■ ••• ■•■ ••■ ■•■ I Sir Daniel Cooi-er '^ The Earl or Dunraven ^" 1 s Bishop Perry The Bishop or EiYERiNA 1** 1 K PRorEssoR Seeley _ The Right Hon. Lord George Hamilton, M.P Joseph Coaven, Esq., M.P. James Bryce, Esa., M.P E. Heneage, Esa., M.P 21 N. Story Maskelyne, Esq., M.P 21 Alexander McArthur, Esq., M.P 21 Thomas Aucher, Esq 21 The Hon. R. B. Dickey 22 The Hon. J. B. Watt 22 The Hon. Donald Smith 22 Kenric B. Murray, Esq. R. Barr-Smith, Esq W. Walker, Esq A. J. Hunter, Esq. Alfred Simmons, Esq 23 J. Ferguson, Esq 24 Speeches Delivered at the Conference 26 Names of Speakers: — The Right Hon. W. £. Forster, M.P 26 The Right Hon. W. H. Smith, M.P 29 The Earl of Rosebery 3n 20 20 20 22 22 23 23 VI Siu Chaulks Ti'iTEU, G.C.M.G., C.B H Viscount HuKY, K.G.M.G ' 47 II. BoMi'AH, Ks(i., Q.C 4S Sir Hknuy Holland, Baut., K.C'.M.(i., M.l' 49 K. DoiiKLL, Esu ... ■>(» T. D. Wanliss, Es(i. ... .')() Sir J. Eauuley Wilmot, liAur., M.P. o2 Mk. Serjeant Simon, M.P -Vi The Hon. E. Stanhoi-e, M.P ')4 The Hon. Olivku Mowatt •')■■) W. GiSUORNE, E.SQ. iJG The MARcuisi of Xoiimanhy, G.CJI.G. ... ... ... oO James Croi'I'ER, E.sii., ^I.P. ... ")9 G. "W. RUSDEN, Es(i (il Admiral Wilson G] J. Hexnikek IIeato.v, Esu ... ... ... ... ... (il F. YouNo, Esq (14 Dr. G. Clark (i-l Alexander McArthvr, Esq., M.P. ... ... ... ... 6") Lieut. -General R. W. Lowry, C.B 05 Sir Charles Tupper, G.C.M.G., C.B 05 G. W. RvsDEN, Esu. liO The Right Hon. W. E. Eorster, M.P GO illNUTE OF THE ViEWS OF THE CoMMITXEE SURMITTEI) TO THE Conference ... ... 07 E'=;soLUTioN8 Passed hv the Conference ... ... ... ... 08 Opinions of the Press :^ "Times"' 09 " Stand.\rd " ... 74 "Daily News" 78 " Daily Telegraph " ... SO " Morning Post " ... So "Daily Chronicle" SS "Scotsman" 90 "Pall Mall Gazette" ... 94 "Glore" 97 "Morning Advertiser" 100 "t>PECTATOR" 101 "Saturday Rkvieav" 104 "Liverpool Post" 108 " LivEKPooL Mercury " 108 "Manchester Courier" ... 108 " Manchester Guardian " ... 109 "BiRMiNOjtAM Post" ... 109 "Leeds Mercury" ... ... ... ... ... ... 109 "Yorkshire Post" ... ... ... ... ... ... no " Sheffield Telegraph " 110 pheface. A FEW words of iutrodaeiion are necessary in placing this report before the public. The object of the conveners of the Conference was twofold. In the first place they desired to promotv-^, as far as possible, the great end of Imperial Federation. In the second place they were anxious to record an effective protest against a belief which appeared to be prevalent to some extent at Home, and to a still greater extent in the Colonies, to the effect that there was a i^arty, or important section of any party, in the United Kingdom which was careless of the Colonial Connection, and which looked forward with pleasure to an early disintegration of the Empire. That such a belief is happily erroneous will appear from a perusal of the names of those who attended the Conference, or who expressed their approval of its objects. It will bo seen that among the number there are representatives of all parties and all shades of party. Being well aware that without the energetic co-operation of Englishmen beyond the four seas the objects they have in view are simply unattainable, the Committee have endeavoured to issue the present report in the form most useful and intelligible to Colonial readers. For this reason they have added short particulars of services VIU rendered to the State by the bearers of the names recorded in the various lists of sympathisers. By so doing they believe that the truly representative character of the meet- ing- will be more fully realised. It will be seen from the report of the proceedings that at the close of the Conference a provisional Committee was appointed, charged with the duty of publishing this report, and of arranging for an adjourned meeting to be held at a later date. This meeting is shortly to take place, and it is intended to include in its proceedings the formation of a permanent society, having for its object the promotion of Imperial Federation, All those who desire to become members of such a society, or to receive any information with regard to its methods and constitution, are requested to communicate with the hon. secretaries, by whom all documents will be forwarded to such secretaries as the Conference may appoint. Imperial Federation. The following is a list of those who attended the Conference : — * Baden Powell, George, C.M.G. Barkly, Sir Henry, K.C.B., G.C.M.G. Barling, W. E. Bennet, J. B. Bell, Sir F. Dillon, K.C.M.G. (Agent-General for New Zealand). Bompas, Henry, Q.O. Borlase, W. C., Liberal Member for East Cornwall. Bourne, Siepiien. Bruce, J. A. B, Bruce, The Hon. R. P., Liberal Member for Fifeshire. Bryce, James, Liberal Member for the Tower Hamlets. Burrows, Professor Montagu. Bury, A^iscount, K.C.M.G. Camperdown, The Earl of. Cheetham, J. F., Liberal Member for North Derby- shire. Clark, G. B., M.D. Clarke, Hyde. Clifford, Sir Charles. Clifford, G. H. Cornish, J. W. CoLOMB, Capt. J. C. R. Cooper, Sir Daniel, Bart., K.C.M.G. Courthope, W. J. * Tho Committeo have endeavoured to include the names of all who attended the Conference ; but fear thiit owing to the failure of some of those present to sign their names there may be omissions in this list. 10 CowEX, Joseph, Liberal Meiiibor for ISTewcastle. Chopper, James, Liberal Member for Kendal. Dickey, The Hoy. 11. B. (Senator, Dominion of Canada) DoiiELL, E. Px., (Canada). Ebkington, Viscount, Liberal Member for Tiverton. Errington, George, Liberal Member for Longford. FiN-CH Hattox, 'J'lie Hon. Harold. FoRSTER, 11. O. Arnold. FoRSTER, The Eight Hon. W. E., Liberal Member for Bradford. Late Vice-President of the Council and CJiief Secretary for Ireland. Freeland, H. AV. FuLCHER, Paget. Gibson, The Bight Hon. E., Conservative Memb(>r for Dublin University, Late Attorney-General for Ireland. GiLLiAT, The Bev, E. GiSBORNE, W. (New Zealand) Gordon, J. W. Graham, Cvril, C.M.G. Greene, Molesvvorth (Victoria). Gretton, George Le M. (South Australia). Grey, The Hon. Albert, Liberal Member for South Northumberland. GzowsKi, Colonel, A.D.C. (Canada). Henniker-Heaton, J. (New South Wales). Holland, Sir Hknry, Baut., K.C.M.G., Conservative.' Member for Midluirst, Inglis, C, M.D. Keep, Edward. Labilliere, F. p. Lester, H. F. Lennard, Sir John. Little, Stanley. LowRY, Lieut.-General, B.W., C.r>. Malleson, Colonel G. B., C.S.I. Man, Major J, Alexander. Manners-Sutton, Hon. John. Martin, A. Patciiett. 11 May, J. McAuTiiUR, Ai.nxANDER, Liberal Member for Leicester McCaiithy, D'Alton (Member of the Canadian House of Commons). McLean, R. D. Douglas. MiLi.Eii, William. Mills, Captain Chakles, C.M.G. (Agent-General for the Cape Colony). MOLINEUX, GlSBORNE. MONTEFIOHE, JaCOB. MoiuJAN, O. Vaughan. Mokgax, 8. Vaugiian. JMoi'AT, R J., M.D. ^FowATT, The Hon. O.; Premier of Ontario. MuuRAY, Kenuic B. XouMANiiY, The Mahquis of, G.C.M.G., late Governoi- of Nova Scotia, Queensland, Ncav Zealand, and Victoria. O'Halloran, J. S. (Seci'etary, Eoyal Colonial Institute). Paton, G. Preston, W. C. Prince, J. S. Potter, Geohge. PvAE, John, M.D. IIedpath, Peter. Rivington, Alexander. Robinson, Admiral Sir Spencer. RosEBERY, The EapvL of. RUSDEN, G. W. Samuel, Sir Saul, K. C.M.G. (Agent-General for New Soutli Wales). SiiRiMPTON, John. Silver, S. W. Simon, Mr. Sehjeant, Liberal Member for Dewsbury. Simpkin, Captain. Smith, Samuel, Liberal IVIember for Liverpool. SiMiTH, The Right Hon. W. H., Conservative Mem- ber for Westminst(!r, late First Lord of tlie Admiraltv. 12 Smyth, General Sir Selijy, K.C.M.G. SoUTHEY, The Hon. K., C.M.G., (formerly Adminis- trator of Griqiialand West). Stanhope, The Hon. E., Conservative Member for Mid Lincolnshire (late Under-Secretary for India). Summers, W., Liberal Member for Stalybridge. TuppER, Sir Charles, G.C.M.G., C.13., High Com- missioner for the Dominion of Canada. TuppER, J. Steward. Wallace, E. A. Wanliss, T. D. Westgarth, William. White, Captain. White, Arnold. Wilkinson, H. Spenser. WiLMOT, Sir J. Eardley, Bart., Conservative Member for South Warwickshire. Wilson, Sir Samuel. Wood, J. Dennistoun. Young, Frederick (Hon. Sec. Iloyal Colonial Institute). Letters approviiif;' oE the objects of the Conference were received from the following- : — Aberdeen, The Earl of. Anderson, Andrew A. Archer, Thomas, C.M.G. (Queensland). Arnold, Edwin, C.S.I. Austin, Alfred. Baden Powell, G., C.M.G. Bariiam, a. H. Foster. Barnett, The Rev. S, A. Barns, Thomas A. Busby, Hon. William, M.L,C., (New South Wales). Binnv, John (U.S.A.). Bompas, H., Q.C. BoRTHwiCK, Sir Algernon. BousFiELD, William. Broadhurst, H., M.P. for Stoke. Bunsen, E. de. 13 Burrows, Professor Moxtaou. Caine, W. S., M.r. for Scarborough Campbell, William (late Member of t. . Victorian Legislative Council). Chapman, John. CiiEETiiAM, J. A., M.P. for North Derbyshire. Cook, R. J- CooDE, Sir John. CosTELLOE, Bernard. -n ^v t CuRRiE, Sir Donald, K.C.M.G., M.P for Perthshire. Duffy, Sir Charles Gavan, K.C.M.G., late Premier of Victoria. DuNRAVEN, The Earl of, K.P. Elliot, The Hon. Arthur, M.P. for Fvoxburgh.] EoRSTER, E. P. Arnold. Galt^ Sir Alexander, G.C.M.G (late High Com- uiissiouor for the Dominion of Canada). Gkll, Philip L. GoLDSMiD, Sir Julian, Bart. Greg, Percy. „ ^ i * +L-. Hampden, Viscount, G.C.B. (late Speaker of the British House of Commons). Hanbury, Philip C. Heneaoe, E., M.P. for Grimsby ,, , ,. P Hicks-Beach, Right Hon. Sir Michael, Bart M.P. for East Gloucestershire (late Secretary of State for the Colonies and Chief Secretary for Ireland). Hill, A. G. Staveley, Q.C, M.P. for Coventry. Hodgson, Arthur, C.M.G. (formerly Premier of Queensland). Holton, R. JouRDAiN, Henry J. (Mauritius). Knowles, James. Lee Warner, Henry. Lethbridoe, Roper. Lloyd, Sampson. n i ^p Lorne, Mauquis of, K.T. (late Governor-General of Canada). 14 LUDI.OW, Joiiv. Macfie, R. a. Maclkay, Sir George, K.C.M.G. Maskelyne, K Story, M.P. iov Cricklado. MclLWRAiTir, Sir Thomas, K.O.M.G. (late rromier of Queensland). Maiivix, Charles. Mkuriman, The Hon. J. X. (late Moniber of the Cape Ministry). MoNTGOMERiE, H. E. (Canada). Napier, Proj'ESSOR (in the University of (Jottinp;en). Nicholson', Sir Charles, 13art. Ossory, Lord Castletown and. Pender, John, M.P. for Wick. Plunket, Eight Hon. David, MP. for Dublin Uni- versity (late Solicitor-General for Ireland). Potter, George. Reay, The Lord. ROTIIERY, G. C. Rouquette, a. Scotland, Thomas. Seeley, Professor. Shaftesbury, The Earl of, K.G. Suand, Sir Charles Farquhar (late Chief Justice of Mauritius). Simmons, A. Simpson, J. W. Smith, The Hon. Donald (formerly Member of the Dominion Pai-liament). Smith, R. Barr (South Australia). Stead, W. Tottenham, C. Turnbull, Alexander. Walker, William (late of the West Indies). Wanliss, T. D. (Victoria). Watt, The Hon. J. B. (M.L.C. New South Wales). Webster, R. G. Wells, L. B. White, A. Cromwell. 1.J AViLSOx, E. D. J. Wolff, 8iu Henry Drummoxd, Bart., G.C.M.G., M.P. for Portsmontli. W01.SELEY, Lord, G.C.B. (Adjutant-General of the British Army). Youl, James A., C.M.G. The following are extracts of speciul interest from letters received by the '' ,)mmittee bearing upon the subject of the Conference : — The Mauquis op Loune, K.T., Late Covenior-General of the Bomi)iioii of Canada. " I much rcr?ret I shall be away in Scotland at the time of the Conference, or should certainly attend. Let me ao-ain mention to you my idea of the importance of ascertainin<>' the views of the leadinoj men in each of the great Colonies, as well as of the gentlemen who have been or are connected with them resident in England. '^ Lord Wolseley, G.C.B. , Adjutant-General of the Brituh Army. '' Had not the pressure of official business made it im- possible for me to do so, I should certainly have attended the Conference at the Westminster Palace Hotel, as the closer union between this country and her Colonies is a sub- ject in which I have always felt the deepest interest, and, in my opinion, is of great national importance, and well worthy of the earnest consideration of every serious statesman." 16 Sir Alexander Galt, G.C.M.Cx., Late llinh Commissioner for the Dominion of Canada. " I need not say that I sympathise most warmly in the object of the Conference, and will do all in my power to promote \t." _______ Sir Henry Paukes, K.C.M.G. La h^ Premier of Neio South Wales. " As I have to leave Enful in the Colonies as it is hero (hear, henr) — that, in their opinion, it means danger to the Colonies themselves, and an arrest of their g-rowth ; and I helieve they will also tell you that there is no colonial feeling stronger than the longing that there should be such treatment of her Colonies l)y England as will make separation improbable, or even impossible. (Hear, hear.) We Englishmen, both at liome and in the Colonies, have a different future in our mind's eye in this matter than we had a generation ago, or even than we had nine or ten years ago, when I remember trying to impress what were then thought to be rather fantastic views upon the public. But you see the reason why that is the case. The inventions of science have over- come the great difficulties of time and space which were thought to make separation almost a necessity, and we feel now that we can look forward, not to the isolated indepen- dence of England's children, but to their being imitcd to one another, and with the mother-country, in permanent family union. I feel certain that, to the public generally, as well as to you, that prospect is as pleasant as the pros- pect of separation is painful. (Hear, hear.) In private affairs — and I think it is the same in public affairs — plani- or hopes for the future greatly modify action in the present ; and therefore we naturally are now asking our- selves what can be done to avoid the calamity of separation and insure the fulfilment of this beneficent idea of union. We are met here to-day to answer this question. We want to see how we can make this desire for union a fact, and how we can realise this grand idea of unity. I believe we must not stand by looking on. We must not suppose that present ties are in themselves strong enough to bear .straining; they require to be pulled and knit together. Diffi- culties may arise — intercolonial difficulties, and difliculties, jierhaps, between England and her Colonies — which might lead to separation if we do not take care to prevent them. In the words of the resolution which will be submitted to yoU' — simply submitted for discussion — it must be clear . t the relations of our Colonies with the mother-country 28 must nltimatcly end either in disinteo-ration or in some form ot- Federation. We liave ^iven our Colonies— those of our own race — i'ull self-ing this idea of union, and of hastening" the realisa- tion of this principle of Federation, than which, I believe, there is none more fraught with beneficence to England, and even to the world. (Cheers.) Mr. F. p. LABILLIERE, Hon. Secretary of the Conference Committee, read letters from several gentle- men who had been expected to attend. THE RIGHT HON. W. II. SMITH, M.P.:^ I have no claim whatever to appear at a Federal meet- ing like this, for my connection with the Colonies is exceedingly slight. It consists only of that connection which, I believe, almost all Englishmen have — a connection of interest, a connection of investment, and therefore I * Conservative IMcmbor for Wostminstor ; Financial Secretary to the Treasury, 1874 to 1877 ; a member of ]\lr. Disraeli's Cabinet, and First Lord of the Admixalty, 1877 to 1880. 30 can only speak from the point of view of an I'n^-lislnnau desirous of secin^^ the interests of his country and the interests of the Colonies, which are identified with Eno-hind, promoted and advanced. But, g'ontlcmcn, I can (juitt! understand why I have been selected to take i)art in this meetinj,'-. It is in order to show that politicians of this country of all orders, degrees, and parties have one common aim and purpose, and that is the security, the development, the advancement, and the pros])erity of the Empire, that we reg-ard our Colonial friends, our cousins, and our neigh- bours as ]!]no-lishmen in the full and true intent of the word, and that they are entitled and should obtain as com- plete a place in the manag-ement and in the control of the affairs of the Empire as we Englishmen claim in our own little island. In saying this I do not wish to go an atom further than my friend, Mr. Forster, has g-one. We are not here to discuss the details of any scheme of Federation. We are not here to prepare a scheme which shall be put forward for the acceptance of Great Britain or the Colonics. We are here to insist upon the principle to which your Chairman has given expression in the fullest and strongest terms — the principle of unity — a unity of sympathy, of common interest, of a common purpose, and of a common object. The resolution I am called upon to move is as follows : — "That the political relations Ijctween Greao Britain and her Colonies must inevitably lead to ultimate Federation or disintegration. That in order to avert the latter, and to secure the permanent unity of the Emi)ire, some form of Federation is indispensable.^^ It apiwars to me that that is a proposition which is absolutely incontrovertible. (Cheers.) In recent years, within the memory of those who are within this room, the progress of the Colonies has been so vast, their extension — to use the words of Professor Seelcy — has been so enormous, that unless they become integral parts of the Empire, and unless they have a voice, a concern, a power of expression 31 in its policy in tliose matters \vliich are common to the Colonies and Great JJritain, (lisinte<;-ration appears to me to l)e inevitable. (Hear, hear.) We have heard recently of an event which has occurred in the Australian seas. Unless there was a cordial feeliii"' of svninathv and interest bindin<>' tog-ether the mother-country with the Colonies, it would be possible to conceive a dilTerent course of policy pursued by the Colonies from that which the Mother Country would seek to pursue for herself; and I can con- ceive no circumstances which would tend more to the dis- advantage of the mother-country and also to the disad- vantan'c of the Colonies than that a separate and distinct course of policy should be pursued on matters of that kind and importance. (Hear, hear.) But I can only refer to that (luestion as an indication of the questions which certainly must arise in the course of the next fcAv vears unless we o;\n find some mode of expressino- that unity in strong'er and more comjilete terms than exist at the present moment — some system by which the voice, the policy, the interests of the Colonies shall be blended with those of the mother- country, and expressed in the mother-country itself more completely than they are at the present time. (Cheers.) My friend, j\Ir. Forster, has referred to our position in Eno-land. AVe have a laro-e population ; we have a vast amount of capital. The Colonies have g>reat opportunities and o-reat means for the employment of the population and for the development of their resources by means of the capital which is found to exist here. There is a basis of common interest and common advantage which we at home at all events cannot afford to neglect or leave undeveloped or unused. There can be no doubt whatever, however men may cavil at the sentiment, that the circumstances in which this country is placed require that we shall advance, and in sayinu: that I do 'ot wish it to be understood that we are to advance by force of arms, to advance adversely to the interests of community at larf^e, or to the world at large. We seek no such means of advancement, but I will ask you 32 to consider one qtiostion — that is the increase of the ])Oj)ulati()n of tliis country, which is soniethin;;' alt()n because of the enormous distance which separated the Colonies from this country. Well, what was the distance in time which separated Scotland and Ireland from the capital 100 years ago? (Hear, hear.) Was that distance less than that which sejjarates ]<:ngland from Canada at the present moment ? Is Australia more remote than many of tli(> islaiuls to })e found on the west coast of Ireland and Scotland? For all practical purposes the electric tcle- grai)li and steam have brought the most distant and the most remote colony into nearer relations, and certainly into greater sympathy with the interests of Govern- ment in the capital of London than the distant and remote portions of (Jreat Britain were some 100 or 200 years ago. (Hear, hear.) Government was possible then, and I believe Government Avill be possible under the altered conditions which I suggest may possibly arise. But let me say this, as an individual, that I do not contemplate any union, any federation, any system of any kind whatever which in the slightest degree interferes with the perfect domestic and local self-governmentof the Colonies. (Cheers.) I regard it as an essential condition of any arrangement or attempt at arrang-ement that entire independence, so far as c 34 local self-fi^ovcrnmcnt is rnncorned, should be thoroughly and entirely respected. (Hear, hear.) It is impossible for us here to venture to pass laws dealing with local affairs, with the diflieulties of which wo are only imperfectly acquainted ; but there are questions on which undoubtedly union must exist. I could not help beinji;' struck the other day with an expression of the objceis of Federation in the Bill which, I believe, has passed throupfli one or two of the Parliaments of Australia within the last few days. It says, by way of preamble: — "Whereas it is expedient to constitute a Federal Council of Australia for the purpose of dealino; with such matters of common Australian interest in respect to which united action is desirable as can be dealt with with- out unduly interferini^ with the arranojenient of the internal affairs of the several colonies of the respective Legislatures.'' Instead of Australian I would insert English, and say that, without unduly interfering with the internal management of the several colonies by their re- spective Legislatures, you should have a common executive and a common power for the ])ur])ose of dealing with matters of common interest, for the purpose of dealing, for instance, with a common enemy, whether he be a convict who seeks to obtain entrance on your shores, or whether he be an enemy who seeks to tak(! advantage of your weak- ness. I will venture to use the words used by Professor Seeley, in a book which I have read with great interest. He says : " All political unions exist for the good of their members, and should be just as large and no larger than they can be without ceasing to be beneficial." That is a doctrine to which I entirely adhere. If this union is not to be beneficial to its mond)ers do not attempt it. It is because I believe the union will be most beneficial to its members that I most earnestly advocate it, and I advocate it as something which will tend to advance the prosperity and happiness and strength of the Empire. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Forster made one remark of great moment. He said 36 he thouj:?ht a union of this kind would have the elTect of avertin'e that T most earnestly press this resolution on your acceptance. (Cheers.) The llifji-ht Hon. Cenlleman then jn-oposed the first "Resolution, as follows :—" That the politicn' relations be- tween Great IJritain and her Colonies must inevitably lead to ultimate Federation or Disintegration. That in order to avert the latter, and to secure the permanent Unity of the Empire, some form of Federation is indispensable.-" TIIK CHAIRMAN: I have now the pleasure of callini,^ upon a nobleman present who is not otdy well known in our islands, but is now well known — personally known— on the other side of the world. I am very g'lad, indeed, that Lord llosebery has consented to address us. (Hear, hear.) He shows by his willingness to take part in these ]>roceedinon such a coiuicil — statesmen of tried ex- perience, colonial re2)rosontativcs, and jjcrsons who would sift all the claims presented to them, and report ex- haustively on them to the British Parliament. In the second place, if it were not able to achieve results such as these, it would, at any rate, have this ellect : it would show throughout our vast colonial Empire that the Government of this country are not showing a want of interest in those distant colonies. (Cheers.) And let me remark in ])assiug, it might do one thiug more. Even it" there was a disinclination to issue a royal commission, or to nominate a select committee, the Government might send out invitations to the colonial governments to ask them if they could suggest ny sclieme, or what their predisposition towards the idea might be. I believe that would have a healthy in- iluence on the governments of Australia aud Canada, because no one can travel in those countries without being aware of the sensitiveness, and just sensitiveness, of the colonists to the attitude of the British Govern- ment in relation to their claims. (Hear, hear.) As regards a tentative experiment in the direction we are seeking, I may be considered to be a person of oue idea on this subject ; but I do believe it might seriously be considered by the House of Lords if delegates from the colonies might not be admitted to sit as do delegates in the Senate of the United States. Of course, that would be a large change, but not so large as it at lirst appears. The main objection always 41 urj^ed is that of distance. I think that question has been conclusively dealt with by Mr. Smith, but I woulil point out an even more recent illustration. I refer to the state of California, which, when a territory, and a distance of weeks from the main seat of government, sent delegates to the Senate of the United States without the slightest difficulty. I do not beUeve in the diliiculty of distance; and I believe a tentative experi- ment in the House of Lords would not interfere ^«^ith the financial control of the House of Commons over the affairs of the Empire. (Hear, hear.) I invite con- sideration to these two or three points. I see it is proposed that a so(!iety should be formed with the direct object of bringing this question before the country. I think that a very good idea. There is another idea I have long wanted to lay before such a meeting as this. I cannot see why there should not be formed some sort of vigilance committee ; that is a word which explains practically what I mean, although it is not perhaps quite correctly used on this occasion — of mem- bers of both Houses of Parliament with regard to coloniiil questions, for the purpose of ventilating them, and keeping an eye on them in both Houses. (Hear, hear.) At present anybody who wants to take any action with regard to colonial matters, has not much support, simply because he has no means of knowing who are the members of Parliament who are interested in such matters. The other point is of minor im- portance — namely, that this Conference, if it feels it has done good work to-day, should adjourn to some day during the autumn session, when there will be more leisure for members of Parliament to attend. (Hear, hear.) I have dealt entirely with practical points, and I now come to the most practical of all. It is that you should not postpone this question till it is too late. On both sides the world — across the western ocean and across the southern ocean — you have two 42 j^rcat countries — empires, if you will, stretcbin<^ forth their hands to you in passionate loyalty and devotion to the country from which they spring. If you will not avail yourselves of that sentiment now, the time may come when you will bitterly repent it; and it is therefore from the timely and practical handlint^ of this question that I hope to see the greatest benefit arise. (Cheers.) SIR CHARLES TUPPER:^ I cannot express sufliciently the regret that I feel at having- been compelled by imperative official duty tobe absent at the opening of this most interesting meeting, and the more because I was most anxious to hear the remarks of our distinguished Chairman, whose name, I need not tell you, is a household word throughout the liritish Colonies — (hear, hear) — and whose opinions are known to be so entirely in favour of the perpetuation of the colonial con- nection with the Empire as to command a degree of con- fidence and respect that could not be exceeded by any other name. (Hear, hear.) No gentleman in this assembly witnesses with greater satisfaction and ])ride than I do a meeting like the present, embracing gentlemen occupying leading and distinguished positions in both the great parties of this country, brought together upon a common platform — a platform calculated to carry out the best interests, not only of these British islands, but of the colonial portion of the Empire as well. (Cheers.) No person can witness wdth greater pleasure than I do the growing feeling that is exhibited in this country among the statesmen of all ])arties in regard to this most inii)ortant and vital question. I do not believe it possible to discover, in all the great questions that occupy the attention of the statesmen of * High Commissioner for tne Dominion of Canada, and formerly Premier of Nova Scotia. Has held several important oUices in the Dominion Cabinet. 43 this country, a question in which these British islands or the great colonial dependencies of these islands are more vitally and deeply interested than the consideration of the means by which the tie that now binds them together may be drawn still closer and perpetuated indefinitely. (Hear, hear.) So far I am entirely in accord with the views and the sentiments which have brought this conference together, and although I had not the good fortune to hear the explanations in rcg-'ird to this first osolution offered by the Chairman or the right hon. mover of this resolution, I may be permitted to say that, in the light of the statements and explanations given by the distinguished nobleman who has just taken his seat, I can find very little to take exception to. (Hear, hear.) But in justice to my c 'n views and opinions 1 may be permitted briefly to point out the grounds on which I ventured, before the meeting assem- bled, to suggest to the Chairman the desirability of a slight alteration of the wording of the resolution declaring that "the political relations between Great Britain and her Colonies must inevitably lead to ultimate federation or disintegration.'' I am not prepared to agree in the decla- ration of that abstract opinion in an unqualified manner. (Hear, hear.) I will briefly state why. The great Colony, the great British Dependency with which I am more intimately connected — the Dominion of Canada— has recently undergone a radical ,-hange in her constitution. Seventeen years ago, at the instance of all parties in the country, the Imperial Parliament was ap- proached with a proposition to enable us to unite the various isolated provinces of British North America under one Government. We obtained the hearty co-operation of the Crown and the Imperial Parliament, and a new consti- tution was given, under which one Federal Government was formed, extending from the little island in the Gulf of St. Lawrence — Prince Edward's Island — to Vancouver Island in the Pacific. It would be impossible, I believe, for the most sanguine promoter of that great constitutional change 44 to have antici})atocl the admirable results that have fol- lowed. The noble lord referred in iittin*'' terms to the enthusiastic loyalty to the Crown and the devoted attaeh- mont to British institutions whieh i)ervade the Colonial Empire, and I have no hesitation in sayin<^' it would he impossible for any constitutional ehan<^e to increase that sentiment of loyalty to the Crown or that love of British institutions whieh animates Canada from end to end. The same may be said, no doubt, of the great ])rovinccs of Australasia. Those who have been watching" the progress of Ciinada for the last seventeen years know that, under the inlluenee of that great change, her ]>rogress during that time will bear favourable comparison with the progress of any portion of the great llepublic to our south, rapid as has been its growth. If, therefore, a di'gree of l)rogress has been made that is almost unexamjiled — seeing the improved credit and development of the country, such that we have had the means of grappling with vast public works of an imperial character; and knowing, as I know, the marked growth and development of devotion to the Crown and British institutions — if, I say, under our constitution this is what has taken jdace, I can hardly subscribe to the proj)ositu)n that these relations must be changed in order to prevent disintegration. So smooth have been the relations between the Dominion and the Irn- ])erial Governments, so little friction has there l)een, that we have never come to them without meeting with a hearty and zealous response to all our efforts for the develop- ment of the country. Under these circumstances, while I hail with delight anything which v/ill nu)re coinpletely bind the two countries together, I feel some diiliculty in declaring that those relations must be changed if we are not to se])arate from the Crown. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord proposed, and I think the projiosition an admirable one, that a royal commission should be issued — for what purpose ? For the purpose of accomplishing federation ? No ; but for the purpose of ascertaining 45 whether federation is prai'ticabh'. If it is noeessary to iiuiuire into the praeticability of a federal connection Itetvvecn the in(jther conntry and her Colonies, it is, surely, too soon to say that federation is necessary to prevent (lisintewiii<;' full well that it could have but oiu^ result — the eventual solid Federation of the l']m])ire. The expe- rience of the past years has shown that the col(Uiisiniilidcnt, be a thoroucfh success; and I think you are to be cong-ratulated, Sir, on having' assembled under your presidency such a very representative body, coming' from all parts of the world. (Cheers.) MR. BOMPAS, Q.C. : Even as the resolution now stands, Sir, it seems to me that it is open to some extent to the objection raised by Sir Charles Tuppcr, whereas the first minute submitted by the Committee seems to me to exactly correspond to the wishes of the meeting. It does not definitely bind us on any point, but declares that the Colonies should have " an 49 n(l('(inate voice in the control '' of the Kmpire. What thai :Hi(>(|tiate control whiiU ho is a matter for the Committee to 50 MR. W. WESTGARTII, As a furtlior amondn.cnt, suo'o-estcd the omission of the word '' i'oderation/' and the insertion in its place of the words '^some form of political union." Mil. 11. DOBELL (Canada) : Contrasted witli the meetino^ held some four years aryo, this g-atherin":, really so harmonious and unanimous, shows at a g'lance what proo-ress this question has made in Great Britain. I endorse very warmly all the last speaker has said. Avoid Royal Commissions and the Government. This question, if it is to he worked out at all, must he worked out hy practical men in the Colonies and Great Britain. At the last meeting- convened hy the Dominion Board of Trade in Canada, an irresponsihle and unoflleial body, after three days^ discussion, we could only arrive at one resolution, and that was to the efl'ect that it was desirable to draw closer the political and trade relations between Great l^ritain and the Colonies, and that to secure the unity of the Empire some form of federation was the most desirable and practical means of furthering that end. I do not think we could adopt anything' better than that. I am g-lad to see there is some hope of this question being- put in a ]n'actical sha])e, especially after our Chairman and other distinguished men have taken a move in it. I can confirm what fell from the High Commissioner, that in Canada we would be one in favour of the movement. I think the simpler the resolution c.juld be made the better, and I would sugj^cst the one that I iiave just read. MR. T. D. WANLISS (Ballakat) : I think something- practical should come out of this meeting-, and that we should take a decided step. As an addition to the resolution, I would move : — " That this Conference is of opinion that, as a preliminary step towards 61 the Fedoration of tlie British Empire, it is desirable in the meanwhile to recommend the Government oi' the United Kiiiodom to form a Colonial Couneil— to consist of the liio'ht Hon. the Secretary of State for the Colonies, the ITiyh Commissioner for Canada, and the Agents-General for the several Colonies, with power to the various Colonies to appoint an additional number in proportion to oue member to one and a half million of the population/' (Cries of " Question/') If such a Council were created, it would, in my opinion, be the beginning of something larger and better. Mr. Wanliss was i)roceeding to refer to the origin of the British Cabinet and of the Indian Couneil as precedents, when Mr. P. YOUNG, interposing, said : I rise. Sir, to order. The statement may be very interesting, but it is, I venture to think, out of order to go into details at this meetinjr. MR. WANLISS: If this addition to the resolution meets with the ap- proval of the meeting, it Avould, I think, be a practical step towards the ol)ject we have in view, and I beg to move it. Till'] CHAIRMAN: I would put it to the gentleman who has just spoken whether theiv is not some truth in the remark of my friend Mv. Young, that wu do not wish to come to a de- cision upon these ))oints to-day. It might come afterwards. I liiink there is a good deal to be said for the resolution he proposes, but it go.-s much more into detail than is neces- sary at a ])reliminary meeting. D -Z 52 Sill J. EARDLEY WIL^IOT, M.P. : >:- I do not like the terms either ol' the resohition or the amendment, and I would respeeti'ully hiy Ijet'oro you a -short resohition, whieh I think will obviate the objections that have been raised. It is: — "That it would be to the best advantage of Great JJritain and her Colonies that a Federal Union between them should be established /■" 1 listened with great respect to the remarks made by Sir Charles Tupper, and I agree that we should endeavour to avoid any expression that would be regarded as showing that we had the least idea oh' doubting whether perpetual unity will be preserved. MR. E. STANHOPE, :M.P, : Let us try to show ourselves unanimous. We arc unanimous. (Hear, hear.) I'^aeh one oi' us might make some suggestion commending itself to our individual feeling, but let us try to combine u})on the resolution which Sir Charles Tupper has accepted as amended, and which I believe is agreeable to almost every one in the room. (Hear, hear.) MR. SERJEANT SIMON. M.V. : f I hope. Sir, that on this occasion we shall not pass over a group of Colonies which have hitherto occupied a very important position, and which at this moment s^and in great contrast to the Colonics to which more particular reference lias been made. We have been speaking of Australia and Canada — countries of enormous size, great resources, and with a great future. It is with the view of retaining the allegiance of those Colonies that this meetiiig has mainly been called. But there is another group of our Colonies— our possessions in the West Indies— which are * Conservative :\rembor for South Wurwickwliiro. t Libcial Member lor Dewsbury. 53 not in the same happy ])ositiou, and cannot look forward to the same happy future that these Colonies can. They have passed under great trials and vicissitudes, throug-h no fault of their own, but entirely under the operation and influence of Imperial legislation. These Colonies formerly had complete self-o-overnment ; from some of them that scdf-g-overnment has been taken away. The island of Jamaica, for instance, which has been a Crown Colony for seventeen years, has had a partial restoration of self- government. {" Question.^^) This is the question. Let us consider, not only our great dependencies, which we caanot defy or displease; but let us give some attention and consideration to those Colonies which are not in this position of independence. They have not been mentioned in one of the resolutions that are submitted, and I beg to suggest that the terms of the fifth resolution, which pro- vides that copies of the resolutions shall be forwarded to the several Agents-General, be extended so as to include the AYest Indies, which have no Agent-General. (Hear, licar.) THE CIIAIIIMAN: AVe do not wish to hurry the meeting, but I believe there is really an agreement. (Hear, hear.) I dare say words better than any that have been suggested might, if we thought long enough, be produced; but I cannot help thinking that with the alteration that has been made the resolution really meets the general feeling of the meeting. It is in this form : "That in order to secure the permanent unity of the Empire, some form of Eederation,'-' not "is indis- pensable,'' but " will be indisi^eusable.'' THE EARL OE WEMYSS : Js desirable. 54 THE CIIATRMAN: Allow me to say one word a1)out " dosirablo/' I liope wo shall not be content with that word. (Hoar, hoar.) Iwcrybody dosiros it. AVe have fi-ot beyond merely wish- ing? it, and we think that something bad will happen if we do not <4'et it. The resolution was then submitted to the meetinn;' in the following- form, and passed nnanimonsly : — " That, in order to secure the permanent unity of the Empire, some form of Federation is essential. -"^ MR. E. STANHOPE, IM.P. : ^ I have so little ])ractieal exjiorionee in this matter that in reality what I have to say may jieri'octly well be summed up by expressing- hearty coneurronee with the g-oneral fooling of the meeting-, and my desire to co-operate with the Committee to gain a jtractical agree- ment. I do not think any one can exaiiiiorate the growth of this movement. Some nine or ten years ago those who have spoken in this room would have been criticised as beinf^ ])ra('tically visionaries. AVe have g-ot, I am glad to say, far beyond that. AVhat we have got to do to-day is to get tight hold of the idea we have in common, and endeavoxu- to give it practical effect by the steps we shall take hereafter. I do not think anything- more true was said than has boon said by the Chairman in his excellent speech in 1S75, when he stated that the .t(h)ption of an idea sometimes tends to its realisation. 1 believe that is so in this case, and that if we get tiglit hold of the idea of Federation or Imperial unity we may proceed step by step to impress on the public opinion of the country the g-reat and growing im])ortance of this question, the very great dilTerence the realisation of the * Conscrvalivo IMomLer for ]\Ii(l-Lincolnshiro. rfulianicntaiy Sccn*. tiiry to the lioaid of Tiaili^ in Lord IJcacoTisfit'ld'^ Ministry, 187o to 1878. Under Secretary of Stiite for India, 1878 to 1880. 55 idea would make to us and the world in <^eneval, and the cowardice which would consist in abandonin<^ the idea of maintaining the unity of the Empire simply because the Empire is ah-eady very larfj^o. (Hear, hear.) The i'eelinf? is g'rowini];', I believe, among- our fellow-subjects abroad even more largely than in this country. They do not like to have the political cold shoulder from this country, and they are entitled to have from us, as we shall give them to-day, our hearty sympathy and our assurance that in the l)olicy we desire to adopt for the future towards our Colonies we are looking to the idea, not of separation, but of giving them, in some mode or iinother, a more real part in the Government of this great JMni)ire. (Hear, hear.) It is, therefore, with great ])leasure that I beg to move — " That for the pur|)ose of enlightening and instructing the ])eople, both in the United Kingdom and the Colonies, as to the incalculable advantages which will accrue to the whole JMupire from the ado])tion of such a system of political organisation, a Society be formed of men of all l)arties, to advocate and support the principle of Federation. " That this Conference refers to a Committee all details connected with the establishment and organisa- tion of such a Society, for a report thereon to be submitted for the consideration and a})proval of an ad- journed Conference, to be held at a suitable period iu the ensuing year.'^ 1 know a great many persons have a strong objection to the formation at the present time of any new society, but I am sure there is no object for which the formation of a new society is more desirable than the cause of Federation, which we are here to advocate to-day. THE HON. OLIVER MOWATT •* I have great pleasure in seconding the resolution. I came not for the jjurpose of taking part in the discussion, * I'limo Minister of Untuiio. 56 but of hcarln<^ wliat was said and seeing- wlio said it. It is imjiossible to exag-g-erate the feeling- of loyalty and affection tliat exists in Canada. While that is the case 1 feel I would have had no difficulty in accedin;w to the resolution as it was pro])osed, and to which Sir Charles Tupper took exc'ei)tiou. We feel in Canada that it is per- fectly inipo.ssil)le for the present state of things to he pernianent. AVe have all the feelings of ]5ritish freemen, and we pretty generally feel that for a country numberiiig five inillions of people to be permanently under an authority in which they have no representation is a thing that (iannot be. But we rejoice in the connection as it exists now. It has been one of unmixed good, and 1 believe will continue so, even should no constitutional change be found practicaljlo. We have felt great difficulty, many of us, in perceiving how any scheme can be suggested which would answer the jmrposc. A scheme which was thought jiracticable here might not be practicable abroad. I do not think any scheme has been propounded which our ])co])le have thought to be a really practicable one. We do not, however, abandon the idea in desj)air. (Hear, hear.) What are statesmen for, imperial or colonial ? For the purpose of resolving difficulties. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) It iias been found ])t)ssible, both here and in the Colonies, to solve difficulties that seemed insolvable. (Cheers.) A\'hilc I am not as sanguine as some as to our finding some satis- lactory scheme for promoting the permanent unity of the Empire, I am as anxious as anybody I'or such a scheme ; :ir.d would rejoice as much as anybotly if the solution cnild be ftmnd. That is the feeling which I am sure animates the breasts of o|]ths of the peoi)le of Ontario, whom I represent. (Cheers.) Mil. W. GISBOllNE (New Zkaland) : * I feel a considerable interest in this question. I have l>asscd many years of public life in the Colony of New * Foi7aioily Membjr of the Now Zealand Miiii.-,ti y. 57 Zealand, wliore tlic quostion oL* tlie rolations of the United King-dom to her Colonies has elieited mucli diseussion, and where it has, I think, presented more puzzlini? problems than in any other jxart of the Britisli dominions. I am ^lad to hear from you. Sir, that we start from a common principle— the unity of the British Empire; and aim at a common end— the permnnence of that union. I am only expressintr- my own individual views— I have no rig-ht to speak on behalf of any one— but I see two ^n-eat anomalies in the existinf,^ state of the relations between the United Kino-dom and the Colonies. These diliiculties will only come into prominence when p]noland ^oes into war with a great naval power. (Hear, hear.) What will then be the case? The streno-tli of a comieetion lies in the weakest pjirt, and I wish to point out that in the state of thino-s which will some day happen there will bo a most defective link between Enn-land and her Colonies. (Hear, hear.) On the one side the United Kin'uarantee for the peace, order, and j^ood "•overnment of the world, and the advancement of the whole human race. (Cheers.) 69 THE MARQUIS OF NORMANBY:* In coniiiii,'- to this moetiii','' to-dny, I did so sim])ly for the purpose of hoiiriii-ht be niisinter])reted, which has induced ine to address you. I yield to no man in my anxiety for the union of the Empire. (Hear, hear.) I am anxious to see the bonds which con- nect the mother-country witli her Colonies stren<>'thened as much as possible. (Hear, hear.) I rejoice, therefore, to see this movement which has taken jjlace, for durini,^ the lonn^ years I have si)eiit in the Colonics I have year by year learnt to respect, to admire, and to love those Colonies more and more. (Cheers.) I know how slow o-ceat movements of this kind move in ]*]noland, and I think, in the words of the rcsohition, that the time has come when some step should be taken towards streuf'i'theninjr the union between the mother country and her Colonies. I only rise now publicly to say that this object has my entire and hearty support. (Cheers.) MR. CROPPER, M.P. :t As far as I know the people of this country, the object of this meetinr? is one that will have their hearty support. The feeling- of unity with our Colonies is not lackinj^ among- the humbler part of the ])opulation, but they would have the heartiest sympatiiy with a society formed to carry out such an idea. (Hear, hear.) I would venture to su])port the su^'g-cstion just put for- ward by Lord Rosebery, that the meeting- should be adjourned to some day during the forthcoming- autumn * 11(18 boon Gov(>rnor, in succession, of Nova Scotia, Queensland, N(!w Zealand, and Victoiia. t Liberal Moniber for Kendal. 60 session. I wns vorv ihticIi stnu-k witli tlio spoocljos mnde by the g-ontlemfn from Iho Coloiiios, ospcciiilly with that from my fritMid on my loft. (Mr. (iisbonic.) They sliow that the feelinp: in favour of tliis movement exists in other eountries, and I am eonvineed tliat if tliose i)resent eould ^•o amono- the meetino-s wliidi will be held in siidleient nund)ers, no doubt, (hiriii,<.- the next three months, they would lind a very ,yeneral reeliiir. tisi.ij,^ &o. I mysclt' havo suhsorihod £10, iin.riHM-liiips otlior <,^oiitlemoii proseut will make contributions. MR. G. W. RUSDI-:N:* I venture to think tliat people generally, and espeeially people in the Colonies, do not like to he told they want ''enlighteninjr and instruetinjir," and I su-nest that For those words should be substituted " inllueneini,^ public opinion/' People in the Colonies have thoujrht over this, subjoet for many y,.iirs. They have folt the shoe pinch' much more than in l']n«.-Iand. ADMIRAL WILSOy.-t I think the word "Federation'' in the first resolution \vdl be misunderstood both at home and abroad, and may be made use of by the enemies of the meetin*' ■^^• THE CHAIRMAN: The word is contained in the first resolution, and I hardly think we can alter it. MR. J. IIENNIKER HE ATON (New South Wales) : It is said that all Hssh is o-rass, and if that is so there must be a great deal of Australian grass in England at the j)rosent time. (Laughter.) I wish to take advantage of the o])portunity of saying that all true Australians believe HI an Imj)erial union, whieh we believe would be a gua- rantee for the peace of the world and for our own safety. I think the words 'imperial Union" would be better understood than "Eederatiou" in Australia. Jrombor of tlio Civil Service in Victoria, t Lato C'ouimodoro ou tlie Australian Station. r.2 The resolution, with tho words " innuonciii';' )>ul)lic opinion" siilistituti'd for " cnliyhtcnini"' and instructinj^ the j)('oi)h'/' wjis j)ut to the nieotin;^' and ayrccd to. TIIK CHATinrAN: Wo havo n'ot throu<4'h the resolutions afl'cctin'T' the principle, and we now come to the details. I think tho snyu'estioii that has heen made, that we should not adjoui-n till next year, hut that we should afuse to enter into details which are not proper to a preliminary conference. (Hear, hear.) THK CHAIRMAN: One word about the alteration in the resolution. I do not think that the actual names are of ^veat importance, but I shall be glad to give any time I can to the matter! (Hear, hear.) It I am to be there, I shall have to get the assistance of .Mr. Young; and I cannot mention the name Gi -est somethin*;' to ii future conference, which it will bo for that conference either to accept or reject. I hojie you will r of {lie Logislu- livo Assembly, aud also of the Lcgislativii Counuil of Jscw South Wuk-s. E 66 MR. (}. ^\. RUSDEN: I he^ to ppcond the rrsolution, and to assure Mr. Forster that as Sir Charles Tupper hns answered for Canada, so T, who have spent half a century in the Australian Colonies, can say thnt there also his name is rej:farded with the same kind of feeling. We kr^w that he does not pnive up to party what was meant for mankind, and the identification of his nnme with this movement will inspire confidence amono^ Enn-lishmen in all parts of the world. (Cheers.) The resolution was passed with ncclamation. TIIK CHAIRMAN (Mr. Forster) : I cannot too warmly thank, the mover and the seconder of the resolution for the kind words they have expressed. They are far too kind. But they are spoken with some authority, and 1 shall remember them as one of the hrio-ht spots in a political life which has not been brij^ht altoo^ether. 01" course, ev(>ry one who tries to do his duty must occasionally meet with what is unpleasant as well as what is pleasant; but this day will hereafter be remembered to me on a much stronj^^er ground than this. I think I have now seen— and"" I think we all see— the beginninn- of a. movement than which 1 believe there has been none of more import- ance to the world. We know there are difliculties, and we shall not endeavour to shirk them ; but we Ix-lieve it lies in the English character, and in ]Cno-lish deter- mination, to cret the better of them, and that we shall eventually see— even I, I believe, shall see— the beneficent fact of the world encircled by self-c,^overnin: to Federation as the end the/ have ultimately in view, they should at present avoid embarrassin^r. the question by attempt in.o- specifically to lay down the details of a Fed.M-al oruauisation for theEmj)ire; neither should they prescribe the time within which the establishment of such a Federation should take place. 4. That, in order to attain the end in view, it is onlv necessary to brino- l„)me to the minds of the people of this country, and of the Colonies, the advanta^-es of the per- manent unity and ultimate Federation of the United Kino-d„m, Canada, Australasia, South Africa, and other British Colonies, as our o^reat national aim in the future, thedc^tails bein- left to be adjusted by those authoritatively empowered to arranifc them on behalf of this country and the Col.)nics, when the time shall arrive for the formation of such Federation. 5. That if the permanent unity of the Empire be kept clearly in view, and the nature of Federal Government be well considered, its adoption will not be difficult, even if E 2 68 the growth of the Colonies or the circumstances of the Empire should require it to be carried out sooner than may be anticipated. 6. Tiie Cornmittee recommend the formation of a Society for the special object of cnlin^htenino- public opinion throughout the Empire as to the advantages of ])ermanent unity, and as to the nature and different forms of Federal Government; so that tlie people of the Empire, both in these Isles and beyond the seas, may be the better able to decide as to the exact form of that Government which they may prefer whenever they shall feel that the time has arrived for its adoption. The following is a copy of tlie Resolutions as linally ado])ted and unanimously passed by the Conference : — 1. That, in order to secure the permanent unity of the Empire, some form of PYnleration is essential. 2. That, for the ])urpose of influencing jjublic opinion, both in the United Kingdom and the Colonies, by showing the incalculable advantages which will accrue to the whole Empire from the adoi)tion of such a system of organisation, a Society be formed of men of all parties, to advocate and support the princii)le of Federation. .'3. That this Conference refers to a Provisional Com- mittee all details connected with the estalilisiiment and organisation of such a Society, for a report thereon to be submitted for the consideration and ai)proval of an ad- journed Conference, to be held at a suitable jjcriod in the coming autumn. 4. That the Provisional Committee consist of the Right Hon. W. E. Forster, M.P., Chairman; Frederick Young, Esq., and Captain J. C. ]{. CoJomb, Vice-Chairmen ; Francis P. Lal)illiere, Esq., Honorary Secretary; J. Den- nistoun Wood, Esq., H, (). Arnold-Forster, i']sq.,^ and * Siilis(M|iiriif]y to IIkj CoiifciviK'o, tho roimnittci" rosolvcd Ihiit Jlr, II. <). Arni)lil-l''i)is((.'r Ik; iipiioiiitcd joint lion. Sec. with Mr. F. T. Liibillieit', inj^toad of continuing ono of the Hon. Truasuivr.s. 69 Hon. Harold Fineh-Hatton, Hon. Treasurers ; Sir Daniel Cooper, ]Jart., W. J. Courthope, Esq., Alex. Staveley Hill, Esq., Q.C., M.P., and Sir Samuel Wilson, with power to add to their number; and that, pending further notice, all communications be addressed to E. P. Labilliere, Esq., 5, Pump Court, Temple, E.G. 5. That copies of these Resolutions be transmitted to Her Majesty^s Secretary of State for the Colonies, the Hig-h Commissioner for Canada, and the Agents-General for the Australasian and Gape Colonies, with a request that they will forward them to their respective Governments ; and that copies be also sent to the Governors of Colonies not having- Agents-General. 0. Tliat this Conference do now adjourn to a date to be hereafter named. The preceding Minute and Resolutions were subse- quently forwarded to the Secretary of State for the Colonies, the High Commissioner for the Dominion of Canada, the Agents-General for the Australian Colonies and for the Cape, and also to the Governors of all Colonies not having Agents-General. With very few and unimportant exceptions, the Press, both in London and in the Provinces, took a most favour- able view of the Conference and its objects. A few extracts from some of the leading journals of the United Kingdom are given below : — Times. " The Conference which assembled yesterday at the West- minster Palace Hotel to consider the question of Imperial Federation is a remarkable sign of the times. It included representatives, official and unofficial, of all the more important 70 colonies, aiul conspicuous members of both political parties at homo. Mr. Forstei* was in the chair, and was supported by Lord Itosebcry, Lord Weniyss, Mr. \V. ]I. Smith, Mr. Gibson, Mr. Stanhope, Sir Jfenry Jlolland, Mr. Cowen, Mr. Bryce, and other public men of every shade of jjolitical opinion. Ex- Governors of the principal dependencies of the Crown, such as Lord Normanby and Sir Henry liarkly, were there, as well as military and naval olllcers of distinction to whom the defence of the Empire is a problem of the highest ])ractical interest, and Colonial JJigh Commissioners, Agents - General, and Ministers in lai'ge numbers. Mr. Forster's earnest and ener- getic speech at the opening of the proceedings was followed uj) by Mr. Smith and Lord Uosebei'y, who rcspeclivi-ly j)roposetl and secondi'd the first resolution, alliruiiiig 'That th(( political relations between Great Britain and her Colonies nmst in- evitably lead to ultimate federation or disintegration,' and ' that in order to avert the latter and to se-cure the permanent unity of the Empire some form of federation is indispensable.' It is no exaggeration to say that a dozen years ag(j such a movement as that initiated yesterday would have bet-n ab.so- lutely impossible. The ideas of Mr, Cobden were then in the ascenct on which the Australians have ellectually, though .somewhat irregularly, made themselves heanl is the conduct of Fiance in exporting her 'incorrigible crinnnals' to the Pacific, disregardhig its overflow upon the shores of Queensland, New South Wales, and Victoria. We welcome, in the answer given by the Und(!r-St!cretary for the Colonies, on Monday night, to a question whether the Colonists would bo allowed to legislate for their own protection, a proof that Lord Derby's frigid indiflerence has been thawed by demonstrations the warmth of which cannot be ignored. Mr. Ashley said that if the neces- sity arose the Imi)erial Government would not interfere with well-considin-ed legislation by the combined Colonies against the intrusion of criminal aliens. At the same time, the Foreign Olhce has been using its utmost endeavours to induce the French Government to prevent the question from becoming a .serious one, as it might well become if the Colonists were driven to act for their own protection. We understand that 74 Lord Lyoiia litis urj^cd most stroiif^'ly tliiit tli(! objections of the AustruliiiiiH to iUv. Jvocidivist Mill would not Ik' iciiiovod by any cod(! of rci^'ulatious ov restrict ions to bo enforced in Now Caledonia. 'I'lio only assuramt; wjiidi will hatisfy the Colonists is that no llcciilivists aro to be sent out to the Paeilic at all. M, Ferry's reception of the icpresentations of the Ui'itish Anibas.su(h)r was considerate! and enconraL;in;jf. The progress of the IJill will bi' almost certainly delayed till after the recess; the report of the Conmiittet! was only laid before tla; Senate yesterday, and in the existing state of French politics it is inijtrobabh; that iiiuch business w'ill be done beforo the close of tlu! Parliamentary session. The chances of the ultimate aban- donment of the JJill an; increasetl by this delay. It is (piite certain, howi-ver, that, as J^ord lioseliery put it, if Austialia had been an integial |»art of the iJritish Empire, it wcmhl never have been seriously pro|iose(l, even in France, to i)oison the country with 'criminal iofuso.'" Staudui'd. " Th(! remarkable gathering that assembled yesterday at the Westminster I'alace Hotel to dist-uss tin; projtriety of Imjierial Federation was in itself the best evideni-e that this ipiestion has emerged from the regions of patriotic tlreamland to the sphere of actual jiolitics. It is rare in these ilays to lind rej)re- sentative men of all parties uniting in the promotion of a political movement, and though probably an attemjit to give practical a]>plication to the views jiropounded at yesterday's Conference would disclose many diversities of opinion, tin; absolute unanimity which has now been obtained as U) the principle of the scheme will prcpui*; the way for a solution of the problem when a suitable time ariives. The advisability of retaining our Colonies is a (piestion which, as JNlr. Foustkk remarked, has been hnally disposetl of. We have; now to con- sider how we can best organise that union which both tin; inother-eouutry and the Colonies are resolved to maintain. It was no j>art of yi'sterday's proceedings to suggest any plan, nor is the scheme yet ripe for practical elaboration. Nev«'rthele.ss, the supporters of this movement have no reason to bo ili.s- 75 satisHod with the prorrros.s of their views in the public mind. A dozen year.s jigo the idea of Imperial IVderatiou hardly exist'jd exce})t in name; ; or, if it did, it was .subscribed to only by .some hardy j.atriots and a few Huj»i)osed croteheteers. The Government of the day wa.s known to be re.signed to disinte- gration, and Home of its prominent mend)(!is were strenuous advocates of separation. The world was still oppressed by the idea of remoteness, and but impeifcctly realisctd that by the scitMililic achievements of our own era distance had been virtually abolished. Dissolution was accepted as the inevitable fatcf of empire, and we were sujtposed to be exhibiting our »'nlighteniiunt by ])iomoting our own dismemberment. More- (jver, F(-ilrration — the then doubtful experiment of the United States apart — was somehow associated with Centralisation, with " Imperialism," with military despotism, and with a host of other more or less obnoxious doctrines, and was, therefore, supp().s((l to be inimical to liberty. The conception of free States combining for self-jjroteetion on a grand scale was not yet understiiod. A great Party was dominateil by parochial notions, and a Federation of the Colonies was, in spite of tht^ development of political organisation, as inconceivable to many people as a Kingdom of the Middhi Ag(!s would have been to the Municipal Statesmen ot Attica. To e(|ually erroneous, if more excusable, sentiments, was added a perverted notion of our mat(!rial interests, which, from its very sellishness, insi)ired a popular reaction that .sensiiily facilitated the progress of the Imperial idea. IJut even a more important agi-ncy than a growing appreciation of our national duty was the centripetal inlluence of the Colonies them.selves. In Australia, in South Africa, in America, our kinsmen caught ujt the Imperial tradi- tion with all the fervour of national youth, and not only re- fu.sed to separatt; individually from the mother-country, but collectively interdicted the dislocation of an Empire in which they claimed an inheritance. This moviunent in the Colonies dtsmolished at once the foundation of all the theories of Separatists. It was found that a tendency towards disintegra- tion was not inevitable ; that the action of our North American Colonies last century, which, till then, was held to govern all similar connections, was due to si)ecial and temporary causes; 76 and that th« force of coliosion in politics might, undor certain circunistaiicos, Ik; more jtowcifiil than that of dissolution. Nor has tho sellish notion of a Ijurdcnsonu' connection hcon less effectually controverted. The incidence of Imperial liability may not l)0 yet scientitically adjusted, but tho indirect advan- tages accruing to us are now admitted to compensate for nnich of our direct outhiy, and thi^ recent action of the Australasian Colonies respecting the administration of t\w Pacific i)roves that they would be by no means unwilling, under an organised F(Mleration, to contribute tlu-ir (piota towards Impeiial ex- penditure. " Although the Conference avoided a formal discussion of details, and left over these matters till the means and the opjuntunity arose for prolitably entertaining them, it was im- possible to avoid reference to what might be tlio real outcome of the movement. Several suggestions were hazarded, notably by Lord Roskiskuy, who, iresh from his visit to the Antipodes, rather shares the impatience of the Colonists for })articipation in Imperial affairs ; but no one cared to anticipate the solution to be provided by the growth of ])ublic opinion and the force ot events. It is contrary to the genius of the Anglo Saxon race to project cut-and-dried Constitutions. An experiment in tho present case ■would be the less happy, because the circumstances cannot be governed by any historical example. Not so long ago commercial intercourse was supposed to precede ])olitical unity. Experience has sliown that, however excellent fiscal freedom may be, its ]»oliticiil influence luis been ovei'-estimated. The Cermau Customs Union was certainly the forerunner of the Emjjire, but it was little more. The Latin Monetary Union, which, in the imagination of Napolkon III., was to have been the basis of an undefnuHl political and commercial superstructure, has ])roduced no effect whatc^ver, beyond the restricted purpose to which it was originally applied. On the other hand, we find in America an ill-assorted Customs Union maintained only by the intense political sympathy of the Federated States ; and in India the commercial relations with the foreign settlemc^nts are closer than with native States, such as Indore and Gwalior, whose fiscal methods are altogether at variance with the system obtaining in the Empire, to which they are united by tlio cloKost ])olltical, i'eli<,'ious, iind social ties. 13ut wlmtever may \h) the ellects of a ZoUvereiii — and at one time it was su)»])()S('(l to ]»> the only iiossiUIc hond in tlie British system — its upplicution is now admitted to l)e out of tho question. Not only are tlie ('uh)nieH at issue with the motluT-country on this suhjeet, but they are liostile to one another. Since, liowever, it has been ])roved that a Customs cordon between Victoria and New South Wah's as ri;,'id as that aloni; the; I'yicnees is no l)arrier to cordial political co-operation in inter-Colonial matters, there is no reason to believe that a mere conflict of tarills — much as this mi^dlt be deplored by sensibhf people on economical j^rounds — would impair the senti- ment of Imperial unity. Nay, so little; impoitaiice is placed u|)ou the reaction of dillerent ])olitical and economical unions, that both th(; French and Poi'tui^uese have united tlunr Indian Possessions to the fiscal system of Ibitish India, and some strictly loyal Canadians are now found a(lvocatin<;f a commercial union with the Ignited States. If a Zollverein is harndess for discord, it is eviilently useless for political union. Other ex- pedients nnist be found — or, rather, allowed to declare them- selves. Any interference with our insnlai I'arliamentary systiMn would at this moment be rei)U;,'nant to the people of the United Kinj^'dom. Our political system in its present develoj)- ment oilers no room for an Impei'ial Senate. I>ut possibly tin' jj;erm of a Federated Adniinistratioii will bo found in a repre- sentative Colonial Council to advise; the Secretary of State on matters of common interest. The materials for such a body are already at hand, and its influence would develop in the ratio of its usefulness. "iJut the Colonists and supporters of Federation generally will have reason to be satisfied if yesterday's Conference should lead to no more visible residt than the atlirmation of the prin- ciple contained in the {{esolution moved by 3lr. W. IT. Smith. that " some form of Federation is indispcnsabl(>," and to the formation of tlu; Committee suggested by ^Ir. Stanhoi'E, for the purpose of influencinu; anil eidi,i,ditening public opinion on th(; advantages t(j V)e derived from a closia- union with our Colonial possessions. Thev have alrcadv to con i,'ratu late them- selves on the 'onverbion of all Parties in this country, and on obtai'nijn,' rnatorial oonoossions from tlifir old oppononts. It is soin»'tliiTi<,' t(. have extorted from tlie l.ilieral Party, whirli so ostentatiously oU'ered them tlio odd slioidder wlien last in power a sincere ree()i,'nit ion of tlieir " niiinifest destiny." The result is duo not only to the prevalence of more enlif^litened ideas at home, but in an especial niiuiner to the enerj^'y of tlie Australian (Joloiiies themselves. The j)ersisteiicy with which these Colonies have asserted their ri<,dit to l)e Jieard in Jmju'iial matters connected with their own re;fi()ns has scH'ured tlieni a footin"^ in Imperial Councils that scarcely reipiires the formal reeo<,'nition of le,i;islativ(^ enactment. TIk^ creation of an 'Australasian Dominion' will almost necessarily involve the transfer of the direction of the affairs of the I'acilic to Sydney or Melbourne, as mattei^ connected with lln' North. 'Vmeri<'a!i Continent are now practically concentrated at Ottawa. With this ac destroyed the disinti-irration theory ; it recpiires only a continuance of the ell'iirts of the ]t!ist few years to convince tlie population of every possession of the Crown that a Federated llritish I'hupire woidd lie an immense material ailvanta<,'e to oui'selves, and a j,'uarantee of j)e,ice and progress to the world." " The Conference on hnperial Federatifin, which was held yesterday at the Westminster l'ala<'e Hotel, shows that the divisions of party anioiiir l"]nglishmen, even whi'u tiiey are most keenly ed;,'ed, are compatible with community of national feeling. Mr. Forster and Lord Jlos('bery on the one side, and Mr. W. H. Smith .and Mr. Stanhope on the other, ai-e illustra- tions of the interest which Liberals and Conservatives alike take in preserving the unity of the Empire. We do not think that there is any danger of its being disturbed. It is imprac- ticable to divorce those who wish to remain united. In dis- cussing the question of nationality Mr. J. S. iMill said that it 79 was iinpossiMo to flofmo in M-liat its ossonoo consistocl. A cnnininn raco, rcliiiion, and lani^uitf^o aro stron<» bomls. ]>nt llioy do not alwiiys jirosfrvo national unity, and thoy aro not t^ss»'ntial to it. Switzfrland is a nation, and the Swiss patriotism is as ardent and steady as that of any Europoan ronntry. Yet in Swit/.(>rland the fniitons are iiot oidy divi(h'd in mutters of relij^ion into ]*rotestant and Catholic, hnt also hy Ianc;uaecause it feels itself to l)e one. The testimony home yesterday to this com- munity of sentiment hy such men as ^Ir. Forster and Mr. Smith on hehalt' of Enjj;land, and by the representatives of Canada and the Australian colonies, is a witness to a fact which makes jtredictions of separation as futile as theories of federation arc premature. Our Colonial system has passed t fou<;;h several jdiases. Little more than a ;j;en(>ration a;^o the unity of th<^ I'lmpin' was maintained Ity the almost despotic lule of t]w mothei'- country over what wei-e truly called her Dependencies. Since self-jLjovcrinnent was conceded to the Colonies the JJritish Enijiire has consisted of an association «. free States with a c(M-tain ])riinacy and authority on the jtart of ]']n<;land ofti'U little more than nc-iiiinal and titular. •''I'liis condition of thinij;s has bc(>n attended with a certain amount of inconvenience. The>T; has been occasional di.scord, now and then threatenin<^ conflict, and there have been ho.stile taritVs, but the sentiment of union has b(>en stron;j;er than th(>se diiliculties ; and without forecasting,' any scheme of Jm])erial Federation, we believe that one will gradually shape itself with a little aitl from human wisdom as opportunity and mn-essity snirj'est. Such a svstem mav be somethiuj' new in human history ; but historj' lias not yet exhausted itself, and the livitig being nuu be trusted to create; for itself an organisation .suit- able to its character and needs. We do not l)elieve that the dominion of England will within any time, or under any cir- cumstances, which it is reasonable to contemplate, be restricted to thcs(> two islands, still less to one of them. I'ossibly, under stress of (events, this or that colony may separate itst^lf. But 80 tlio 7']ii;,'lisli arc still fiii f'xi)nTi(lin formed, (lie jL,'ro\vtli of wliicli will iiiiiiiitaiii tlin Kitij)ir(( midiiiiiiiislied. Cut luid dried selieiiies of delilieriite separation, such as that which Lord l^oseiiery connected truly (Hiougli with llio nanic of Mr. (Joldwin Smith, and (|uite erroneously svith that of the late Sir William Moh'sworth, are powerless ai^ainst old his(oiiroiiL,'lil imwiird as at, the iiieeliiig .'.illed together yesterday morning in liondon to wclcume iind suppoi't the general scIk'Hic of l''ederat ion. \\v Iminc already tlwelt hy anticipation with the pregnant and Impeiinl topic which was I hen; disiai.ssed, and the fiict that it is a sulijeei aliove paiiy liolitics is sutliciently e\idenccd hy men like Mr. Korster, Mr. 81 Sinitli, and Lord Rnscbory uniting tofjctlior in sujiport of tlio sninci vi(!\vs. lu'iilly mikI truly tlx' (lucstion wliicli was ,it»'d l)y liu! curncst spciikcrs ut tli»! Wcstniinstcr I'aliUH^ ILotfl was, What am \\(\ to do witli our Knipiro ? Is it to li(> rctaini'd as a pricflcss l('y, or is it to l)o lOmpire may not ultimately lie In'oken into fra,u;ments. Ihil it is notioe- alile that the ('olonisis, or those most capable of speakini,' on their behalf, do mtt take this iL,doomy view of the future. Thus Sir (Jharles Tupj^'r olijected to the resolution we have reierred to because it bi'cathed tli(! base notion of disintetjrat ion as the alli'rnative t(i I'^ederation. There is, in the opinion of the f^reati'st Colonial authorities, no ivasou in the nature of thing's wliy our I mperial children should not. j,fo on in their present state of allect innate unity with the mother country till the end of iiistory. Mr. h'orster, we bte makiiii^ a real misiake if they supposed that there is one whit less of ]>ride in the [)ower and prosperity of tlu>se distant possesions now tiiaii in 82 any previous poriod of our aniiiils. It is possiltlc, of course, that some tlay a colony may drift away from us ; l^ord Rose- bery's warnin*^ tliat we may delay Federation till it is too late to federate is not at all unnecessary ; but if that evil hour ever arrives we may he sure that we shall never realise so vividly the value of our Colonial Empire as when we are on the point of losing it altog(^ther. " Specific i)laiis for Fed(!ration between all the component parts of the British Empire may possibly be premature. Mr. P"'orster, the chairman of the meeting of yesterday, stated that the ultimat(i form which Federation should tak<' was not the main cpiestion for the audience to consider. .Mr. Smith also deprecated hasty counisels at what was practically oidy a pre- liminary (,'onf(,'rence. Yet some practical outcome! ought to residt from the eft'orts of thosci who have oi-ganised the new movement, or the subject will inevitably sink back into the region of asj)iration and hojje where it h.is so long lain. We ourselves have .suggested the scheme of a Federal Council which might carry on its labours side by side with the Imperial Parliament. Lord Ivosebery, whos(? interest in the Colonies must hav(! been quickened by a recent visit to Australia, pro- jmsi'd th(! ai)i)oiMtment of a Connnittee or a lioyal Conunission to examini! into seh(!mes of Federation, and to report to Parlia- ment upon the best working plan pr<'sented to Ihem. '{'here would be a double advantage in such a cour.se being adopted : in th(! first plac(>, the evidence tid^en would serve to show how and in what dintction the first expei'imental att('U\])t to federate might best be madt; ; and, besides this, Ihert" v.ould ho. the .solid benefit of the interest which would be excited, and the fre.sli tie which such an incjuiry would constitute between Great Britain and the 'CJreater Jlritain.' At th(> present moment, nothing could well be looser than the formal bond between England and Canada, for example. In all internal matters the Canadians manage, and ought to manage, their own affairs; tlu^y possess what a, liundred years ago woidd have been con- sidered a most dangerous institution — a Parliament of tluiir own. The presence of a (Joveraor, sent out periodically fr.im England, to represent the paramount authority of the Crown, and the existence of a power of apjieal from legal decisions to the Privy Council in Enjjland, aro about tlio solo indications that Canada is not at tliis inonicnt possessed of the independence which some philosophers wish to force upon her. " Such ar(^ the formal l.onds. liut we have, of course, omitted the stronjjjest of all possible ties — the feeling of attach- ment to the mother-country and lier institutions which does practically mak(^ us and our most remote ('olonial kinsmen por- tions of onc^ largf^ 'family party.' That bond, allicit senti- mental, is one wliich is more valuable than any other; but we nnist remember that in future the (V)Ionists will unavoidably lose something of the personal fondness for the ' green lields of England,' as genei-ations arise which know them not except by the tales they have heavt a 'burning question,' or because it would li(> dillicult to mamd'actun' out of it any political capital worth speaking of at the p(»lling-booths. We trust that no such sentiments will jti-evail in th<' considera- tion of this noble and far-reaeliiiig project, but that there; niav be sutlicient patriotism .still left in thesi; islands to understaiul the vital importance of a real union of the Empire, and enough statesmanship to cany it out." 85 Morning Post. "The niovonient wliicli was iriauifurated yesterday at the Conference held at tlu^ Westminster Pahice Hotel, with a view to the i'tdenition of (ireat JJritain and h(>r Colonies, is calcu- lated to lj(j followed by results the nia<,'iutude and iniitortance of which cannot l)e exaggerated. Even the least observant must have noticed that of late years the relations between the mother country and the oUspring she has called into existence in various j)arts of the glob(! have assumed a character which l)oints at no distant period either to a much closer union than at present exists between tlu; two or to a complete sei)aration. The Colonii'S form, it is true, so many distinct portions of the IJritish Empire, and those who inhabit them u\v, we are rejoiced to say, no less loyal to the JJritish Crown than the inhabitants of the United Kingdom. But in the necessity of things a conllict, or, perhaps, more corn^ctly speaking, a want of unity of interests, occasionally arises, which iniper- eeptilily raises the question whether it is worth while to maintain a connection which to a greater or less extent hampers the action of both. On the one hand it is urg(>d that England does not gain so many material advantage s irom the Colonies as to justify her in accepting onerous engageuienta and liabilities on their account, whilst on the other the Colonies, finding their peculiar inti'rests threatened l)y a state of things which, save in tiie most remoter degive, does not allect the parent country, are naturally indignant if, in the vindication of their rights, tiny do not obtain the .sympathy and support to which they consicUsr themselves justly entitled. A cas(! in point arose a .short time .since, and for that matter is still pending, when the Australian Colonies protested against the deportation of French criminals to islands in do.se proximity to their territories. Their [n-otests met with but a half-hearted sui)port from the Home Government, and, though their loyalty to th«f Ciown and their desire to maintain the existuig connectioii with tlu' jjarent country ai'e undiminished, they are by the mere force of circumstances compelled to conside!' whetL-r, with a view to their own self-preservation, they ought not to take inilependent action. 8G " At tlie Conferoijco wliich was hold yesterday it is (ispo- cially gratifyiiif^ that those; who took part in it wro statosinoii ent(;rtaiiiiii^ the most divcrso opinions on (|U('stions of domestic policy. The chair was tak(!n \>y Mr. Forstcr, and the lirst resolution, which aflirined the necessity of udoi)tin{^ some foiin of federation hetweeu (ireat Jiiitain and her Colonies in order to av(!rt the disintegration of the Empire, was moved by Mr. W. II. Smith and seconded l)y the JOarl of Jloseliery. The important issue I'aised is in no sense a i)ar(y one, hecaiise every British subject, whatever his special ))olitical predilections, must be equally interesttid in maintaining the integrity of the Empire in which he takes a pride. And it is impossible for any one to study attcsntivtily tlu; relations which at piesent exi.st between the panMit country and her dcpendencii's without agreeing with Mr. Forster that .sooner or later there must Ik! disintegration or federation. The ouestion is not, us the Mend)er for JJiadford put it, whether we siiall ktutp our Colonies, but how we shall keep them ; and, although it would l)e prenuitun; to ask in what manner this end is to be acecjm- plished, it is none too soon to invite di.scu.ssion as to the best way of solving this probhsm. It is, further, to be taken into (;onsideration that the; inventions of modern seience liave gone far to annihilatt! thosi; ditliculties of time and spiice which only a f(!W years ago might have bec^n supposed to raise insuperable obstacles to the realisation of such a scheme as is now ad- vocated. It is not too much to say that oui* Canadian, South Afi-ican, and Australian dependencies, not to speak of our Indian Kmpiiti, an; now much closer to luigliuid than was Ireland at the commtjncement of the presi'ut century ; and if it was then found not only po.«sible, l)ut expedient, to ellect a union between the latter country and (!r»'at iJritain, how much mojo so should it be now to (establish a federation between the; Unitt^d Kingdom and hei' various Colonies, however scattered over th(! face of the glolu', which would have the eil'ect of creating such a community of interest as would enable all to present a solid front to the rest of tin; world. The first object should be, as Mr. Korster (!xpress(!d it, to ellect .so close a combination that sciparation should be t\'lt to be a mo.st im- jirobable result. 87 "Tiikiiifi; for f^fniutccl — and we prcsunio the proposition will not !)(', (lisputod — that the unity of the British Empire is pn'fcriililc to its tlisint ('Juration, thccjucstion n(!cessarily presents itself wlictlier we should not tali'.e udvauta^(! of conditions wlpch at prestMit exist, but which may possihly soon disappear, to erteot that comltiiiation l>y which all will equally benefit. This was specially dwelt upon in the speeches of !Mr. Snuth and Jionl Ivosi'bcry. We have now a strong feeling of loyalty and attachment sul)Kisting V)et\ve<'n the Colonics and the United Kingdom, but no one can say how long it will last if the Home (lovernment adop<^ the selfish policy of declining to allow the Imju'rial policy to be aflfected by the wants of the Colonics. !,ct us take for example our dependencies in the Au.s- tralian Continent and the adjacent isl.inds. They have assumed a magnitudt> and hav(f ac(piir('d a power which un'iuestionably sui)ply to them a temptation to refuse to coniide their interests to the keeping of the particular statesman who for the tiuu; being happens to preside at the Colonial Otlict^ at Whitehall. This temptation should be renK)ved by enabling them, as an integral portion ol* a great empire, to employ their due weight and inlluence in securing due jirotcictiou for their interests. It is no little advantage, as Mr. Smith jminted out, that England should possess (^»l(lnies to which her surplus ])opulation should be .sent, which, whilst founding new lields of industry, would still feel that they continued Hritish subjects, with unabated interest in the m.iintiuuinci! of the JJritish Empire. ]f the parent c(»uioth these ohjects wen; accomplished, and with a heartiness that spe.iks well for the energy which will 1)0 devoted to promotin^;/ the new undertaking. Jt is im- po.ssihle to conceal from ourselves the fact that .sooner or later the great connnunities which live Ixtyond the seas will in succession, as they develop in population and in po\V(!r, seek to rid themselves of any trammels which we have im- posed upon them, unless we can confer upon them advi ntages 89 luoro tliaii conuiipiistirato witli tho control wo would exiTciso over tlinii. As whs said ycstonlay, citlicr fcdt-ratiitii iniiHt ill cuui.sc of tiiii(( takd pliico or ' disiiiti ■,'iiiti()n.' To allow iiiiiiioiis(t populations of tlio same rai-c and lan^'uaj;(! as our- Hidvcs, and livini,' under tho sanio laws, to scparato tlicni- KclvoH from us for ovi^r would bo to brinj^ altout ulliniatcly tilt' isolation of Kni,daiid to an cxtont which would not only Ik* iatal to her f,'ifat inllucncc aiiioii!^ nations, l»nt would seriously alleet our L'oniiiierfial prosperity ; for, as Mr. Forster oliserved ill th(! course of his reniarks on this aspect of tho (juostion, ' no fact is more clearly proved by practical cxporienco than that th(( trade follows the llaj^.' The power of a country anion;,' tlm nations of (he earth does not depend solely upon her wealth, and even if it did there are dear grounds for i)t>lieviiig that if this ICnipire were rediii'ed to 'two islands, one of which did not particularly care altout tho otlna-,' that wealth wouhl soon he seriously deci"eas(M|. Kortunately, there is yet tho wannest attachment to their native land existing on the part of the niiiltitiides of people who hiive gone to Australia, to Canada, and elsewhere in search of that which they could not find hero. The ti'stimoiiy is overwhelming on this point, and it is ono of the most encouiiiging facts that can lu; cited in jtroposing to seek for the iiiciiiis of uniting this country and her colonies into oiH( great Tower. How this desiiahle <'nd is to ho achit'ved rem.iins to he considered, hut that it is practicahlo we are fully convinced. This country would lie wcMkeiied, hi^yond all doiilit, liy the loss of her great colonies, liut so, too, would they for iiiMiiy a year after that se|)aratioii was eflected. Whore there is still a community of intcH'est the task of formulating a Hcheme of federation, what(!ver its dilliculties, is one which may, as time goes on, he successfully accom[ecoine conceivable. Still, jwssibilities of this kind are not a proper subject for the successive stages of a great party measure. Abstract resolutions, amendments on going into Supply, Bills inti'oduced by private Members, and finally. Bills introduced by the Government of the day, have their use in Parliamentary procedure, but the fortunes of this particular question are not likely to be furthered by resort to them. What is wanted is a kind of consideration of Avhich Parlia- mentary procedure seldom admits, — the consideration that allows a subject to simmer, that is content to leave it alone for long intervals, that is always ready to take it up again when- ever some new incident, whether at home or in tlu'^ Colonies, seems to open up fresh possibilities of useful action, — the con- sideration, in fact, that belongs to statesmen rather than to politicians. The comprehensiveness of Tuesday's assembly goes some way to secure for the question this kind of treatment. All shades of political opinion were represented there, and every one was disposed to raise the object of the meeting to the high place it deserved. The decision whether England and her Colonies shall remain united is, in one sense, more momentous than any decision about institutions or forms of government. It is concerned with the issue, not how the English Empire shall be administered, but what empire there shall be to be administered. The Avhole future of England is bound up with the answer given to this inquiry. There is no place among the Great Powers of the world for the England of the sixteenth century. But the greatest of those Powers may well be the England of the twentieth century, provided that she does not let slip the marvellous chances which the dis- persive energy of Englishmen has reserved for her. To guide her to take full advantage of these chances is the object of those who have some closer union with the Colonies at heart. It is an object that appeals equally to all pai'ties, and will, as we hope and believe, remain the common property of all parties. " The value of the practical good sense that marked th<' proceedings of Tuesday is a natural corollary of what has been said. Nothing could be so injurious to the ultimate solution 103 of tliis great jiroblem as the adoption of a premature solution. Once let a plan be determined on, and its success becomes identified with tliat of the object to the attainment of which it is really but one means among many. When it fails — and in the nature of things it is bound to fail — the end itself easily comes to be despaired of. If the meeting had had a scheme for the creation of a federal empire submitted to it, had adopted this scheme in principle, and had appointed a Committee to settle details, we should have thought the day not wasted merely, but misspent. We should have been further removed from a really united empire at the end of it than we had been at the beginning. The plan would at once have become a target for hostile criticism, both in England and the Colonies, and it is morally impossible that it should not have succumbed under the converging fires. All that it is exj)edient to do at this moment is to define the goal to which a growing public (lesii'e points, and to accustom men's minds to regard that goal as one which must somehow be attained. As to the means chosen for its attainment, those will be best in the first instance which are most modest and most tentative. Lord Rosebery's idea of admitting delegates from the Colonies into the House of Lords may hereafter offer a way out of more than one difti- culty, but even its time is not yet. By-and-by it may be possible to provide machinery for giving the Colonies a voice in the decision of questions in which they, equally with the mother country, will be interested. But as yet such questions are still future, and a good deal remains to be done in and by the Colonies before they can become present. The Colonies nuist have more federation among themselves ; they must have taken effectual steps towards the creation of their own land defences ; they must have given some indication of the propor- tion in which they will be ready to bear their part in Imperial burdens incurred for their protection. But though questions of this kind are still future, there are others which are already present. The relations which the Colonies will bear to foreign Powers, as part of a single empire, cannot yet be determined. The mutual relations between the Colonies and the mother country have to be determined every day. Something can and ought to be done without loss of time towards putting these 104 relations on a better footing, and in tlip Agents-Gen(>i'al of the sev(!ral Colonies Ave have the machinery ready to our hand. These high and repi-esentative officers might constitute a Colonial Council to which the Secretary of State should be bound to communicate his decisions on Colonial i)olicy, and from which he might receive assistance somewhat similar to that which the Secretary of State for India receives from the Council of India. It would be a substantial gain for the Colonies if Lord Derby were bound to listen to and answer the arguments of such a Council before overruling them. It would be a greater gain still if Lord Derby's successors were thus bound." Saturday JRevieio. " The meeting of the Conference on Imperial Federation last Tuesday was one of the few hopeful things which have happened in connexion with colonial affairs for some time. Even if it could be shown that the formation of a ffood workino- Federal Union of a simple and flexible kind, and it is probable that nothing more is aimed at, was impracticable, tJie meeting would not the less have served a very useful purpose. The noisy little clique of economic pedants who were fund a few years ago of preaching to the mother-country and the Colonies on the text, " Let them go," have of late been less successful in getting themselves listened to. They are not, and doubtless never will be, perfectly quiet ; but when a body of responsible statesmen work together to forward that friendly union with the Colonies wliich is certainly desired by the great majority of Englishmen, they stand a fair chance of being reduced to the melancholy necessity of preaching to one anoth(u-. The formation of a Committee to promote an Imperial Federation will do something to make the belief that the Colonies arc of vital importance as universal as it was in the times before Mr. Cobden. On every consideration, both of interest and senti- ment, the connexion is so valuable to Great Britain that, unless we are to fall wholly under the influence of a so-called practical idea of politics as stupid as it is ignoble, the miion will be jealously guarded. It is of equal value to the Colonies them- selves, to whom it gives security from attack by foroigners. 105 From a purely military point of view, a close and friendly union has become indispensable in the interests both of the mother-country and the Colonies. Nobody who is capable of looking facts in tho face can hope that England will again possess the unquestioned naval supremacy it enjoyed at the beginning of this century. That supremacy was the result of a century of wars ended by twenty yeai-s of unbroken victory at sea, and could never have been won without the help of the disorganisation of some of our rivals and the decadence of others. The balance of power has altered to our disadvantage, and the Empire has become far more vulnei'able. In any future naval war we shall stand in need of effectual assistance from the Colonies. One of the objects of the Committee formed to forward an Imperial Federation will doubtless be to construct some machinery by which this mutual help can be rapidly and efiectually given. A great step in advance has been made from the moment that responsible statesmen set themselves to try and lind a mtians of supplying some practical organisation. What Lord Kosebery calls " the inauguration of a crusade," and what less eloquent persons would describe as the beginning of an attempt to do a good piece of work, is in itself a subject of unmixed satisfaction. " It is all in the favour of the ultimate success of the move- ment that its promoters have resisted the strong temptation to commit themselves to a cut-and-dried scheme. At this early date a programme is unnecessary, and it would almost certainly attempt to do too much. A moment's consideration will show that any possible scheme of federation must have very strict limits, and that very formidable dithculties must be met in ti'ying to carry it out. The advocates of a closer union with the Colonies who have hitherto published their ideas have generally proposed to form a new Imperial Parliament, or some kind of general Council with powers and functions which have never been very clearly defined. Some among them have sug- gested that representatives or delegates of the Colonies should be admitted to one or both of the Houses of Parliament. Such plans are mainly fantastic. It may be taken for granted that this country would never allow its Parliament to be swamped by colonial representatives, and the speakers at Tuesday'^ 106 meeting were agrood that there must be no tampering with tlie perfect freedom of local government. A federation for purely Imperial purposes presents difficulties almost as great as a general ParlianT^nt. It is certain that the Colonies would expect to have an equal vote, and in a body of that kind it is not easv to see where the ultimate authoritv would be found. No one of the members would allow a majority to impose upon it a sacrifice of its vital interests. Hitherto the necessary work of supervision has l)een done by England alone, and the discussion of irritating questions has been avoided. The real lion in the path, however, will be the difficulty of deciding how far the Colonies would be entitled to interfere in the purely European political troubles of England. They would have to share the risk of a war, and might well be unwilling to ap- prove of it if undertaken for something which did not immedi- ately interest them. It is, however, obvious that this danger exists already, and that nothing would be lost by providing some means of concerting common action. The habit of acting together may also be found to develop a general patriotism in all the Colonies. Australia has lately given proof that, like the American plantations in the last century, they would be ready to bear a share of the expense and danger of military operations undertaken in defence of its known interests. Meeting the Colonies half-way on occasions of this kind is the best argument to persuade them to return the service at some future time. For the present it is a hopeful sign that a serious attempt is to be made to provide some organisation which will facilitate united action. When the means foi' gaining this desired object are known it will bo time to criticise them. For the moment it is enough to praise the spirit which has inspired the attempt. Without beij g unduly hopeful as to its chance of success, we may feel reasonably sure that the mere existence of the movement will have a good influence on the present hap-hazard fashion of managing colonial aff'airs. "The Ministry and the House of Commons have made haste to supply Mr. Forster and the other speakers at the meeting with an admirable argument in favour of Federation or anything else which shall be as little like the present system 107 as may be. By far the most pressing colonial question of the day is the condition Zululand ; and yet, when Sir Henry Holland brought forwai ;1 a motion on the subject some time ago, neither the Ministry nor the Opposition thought it worth while to make a House for him. When the debate was forced on in Committee of Supply on Wednesday, the speakers only proved that the uniform practice of the Colonial office is, and has been for years, to do as little as possible, to do it too late, and to take it for granted that the duty of a good colony is to cause no trouble in Downing Street. Mr. Dawnay, Sir Henry Holland, and Mr. Forster showed again, for the fiftieth time, that Zululand has been reduced by us to a state of inde- scribable misery. The Ministerial speakers had nothing to answer except that it would be very troublesome to put it right, and would, moreover, cost money. Mr. Chambei-lain descanted on the blessings brought by the Boers to the Zulus ; and Mr. Gladstone Avas indignant when strong language was used about our worthy friends in the Transvaal who have torn up their treaty with us and repudiated their ])romises to pay. Neither party cared to face the necessity of occupation, the one effectual remedy, and then a majority of fifty-six decided to leave things as they are, Lord Derby is to continue to enjoy the congenial spectacle of anarchy produced by a long course of impartial half-measures and temperate makeshifts. To get rid of Lord Wolseley's settlement, which was not exactly a masterpiece of statesmanship, and for the sake of Cetewayo, a general overturn was brought about. When the historical partial restoration of that unlucky chief ended, as every observer of any common sense foresaw it would, the Ministry decided to allow Zululand to stew in its own juice. It has been doing so ever since. The chiefs massacre one another's followers, and Boer adventurers shoot all parties freely as a matter of business. All this is going on in the immediate neighbourhood of the most vulnerable of English Colonies, and a little handful of British troops stands there to keep the Colonists from putting things straight under pretence of defending them. It is a most characteristic feature of the whole business that the British Government carefully keeps such a stake in Zululand as serves to en^acce its resoonsibilities 108 wliile it throws every possible obstacle iu the way of a x-eal settlement. To scuttle out of the muddle, to leave Zululand to the Boers, whom Mr. Chamberlain admires, and Natal to itself, would not be a magnanimous policy, but it would be thorough, businesslike, and comparatively humane. When once the Boers were masters, they would stop the tribal wars in their own interest, and the people of Natal would probably be able to do the necessary shooting on their ov/n account. Our policy is to remain there without settling anything, but hampering the natural development of things, and sedulously stirring the witches' cauldron." Liverpool Post. " Among the political movements of the day, few conmiand more sympathy or seem less likely to be realised than the project for the federation of the Colonies with the mother- country. To form a grand federation of English-speaking countries under the Sovereign of Great Britain is an idea that commends itself to the imagination, and as emigration from the British islands must necessarily continue, and perhaps increase, it is pleasant to think that those who quit their native shore will still i -main citizens of the Empire and retain an interest in its prosperity and a sympathy towards those who remain at home." Liverpool Mercury. " Of late years it has become increasingly evident that at some future period we shall have to choose between allowing our Colonies to take care of themselves or providing some link which, without fettering their freedom, would mutually bind them and the mother-country in one vast connnonwealth. It is beginning to be understood that, without imposing any restriction upon their laudable desire to grow strong and self- reliant, an arrangement might be feasible which would ensure a grand imperial union consistent with the fullest liberty of all the parts." MancJiester Courier. "Every Englishman who is proud of the history of his country will welcome this tardy awakening of politicians to 109 the nocessity of strengthening the bonds that unite it, and will wish every success to this new society." Manclu'ster (Jnardian. " The proposition that it is of the highest importance to the Empire that the Colonies should be kept in union with the Kingdom, and that ' some form of federation is essential ' to prevent disintegration, may safely rely on the assent of all by whom the injurious consequences of losing the Colonies are (Inly recognised. Where there is a will, such as is shown in ,iLS instance, there is generally a way ; and while complete federation must be rejected as futile, it is still possible gi'eatly to improve the official methods and instruments of communica- tion between the Colonies and the Imperial Government." jiirniinffham Pout. " It hardly admits of dispute that, in respect both to strength and prosperity, the country is deeply concerned in retaining its colonial connections. It is confidently asserted that there is in Australia, in Canada, and in South Africa, as cordial a desire f(jr amalgamation Avith England as there is in England for the incorporation of those dependencies. If such be the case, we must agree with the Conference that it only requires time and consultation to bring about a definite plan. The colonists are ripe for Imperial federation, but we are not so certain that the same can be said of the English. There is infinite trouble and delay in introducing reforms into our limited Constitution. But, fortunately, the promoters of that kind of reform do not at present invite us to discuss it in the form of a practical measure. They only ask for assent to abstract princi- ples, and that assent we believe they will command." Leeds Mercury. " The day is happily past when anybody who had the smallest chance of being regarded as a politician of importance could look with equanimity upon the prospect of a possible separa- 110 tion between England and her Colonies. The wliole tendency iiinong both political parties is now the other way. It is the object of every man with the slightest pretensions to statesman- ship to bind the Colonies more closely than ever to the mother- country." Yorkshire Post. " Here is the shadowing forth of a policy which is in the highest and truest sense Conservative, and which may fitly occupy a prominent place in the programme of the Conservative party. The consolidation of the British Empire is a conception grand enough and beneficial enough to occupy the mind of a great statesman and an historical party. If ever a confedera- tion of nations under the British flag were to become a practical, working reality, it would involve an Imperial Parlia- ment, whose greatness and power would dwarf into insignifi- cance the national Legislature as it exists at present, "one thing, at any rate, is certain, that tlie Radical faction in England, little though they realise it and little as they may desire it, arc steadily preparing the minds of the English people for such a change by their persistency in lowering the tone of one House, and disparaging the other." Sheffield Telegraph. " Yesterday saw not perhaps the inception but the formal public inauguration of a movement which is destined to mark a momentous turning point in the history of the British Empire Which are we to choose? 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