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Wo.Sonitid by Royal CliurttT, Sliowttli, That your incnicrialiMs nn- iufornifd tliiit application has licni nvide to your Honourahl*' BoHfd for the iiMorponitiou, by Royal clinrtcr, of a coniimuy pro- po«inj» to biiihl '^crcw steamer- to trade between Great Fkitain and the Unite*! Stall « and Cai.aihi, with a clause liniitinir the liability of the partm-rs to the amount of stock sub-cribed by tlioTn. That the rule of uiili!nite(l re<[ionNil)iIitv on the part of those conciTned in tradin<;- companies has hitherto been uiiiforinlv acted niM»n in Great IM-Jtuin, and your uieiiioriali^ts entertain jjreat (biubt-, on general prinei])ies, of tlir expciiieney of altering this rule ; and they respectfidly siiirKcst that the subject wnuld require to be much more carefully considi rid tiiau it has been before a liuiitatiou of responsibility l>e comedoil. If any chanL^e i* to be made, however, thcbcmitit should be thrown open to all, for it appears to be |iertectly (dear tlia; to '^raut such a jirivilegc to one particular company, while all others are eseluded from it, would confi^r an unfair and highly im|)olitic advantage on tiie fivonretl incorporation. The memorialists beg further to line of communication which the proposed new company intends to adopt has .nlreadv Ixen opened by private enterprise, so that there is no reason, from the novelty or hazard of the undertaking, for making the proposed company an exception to nil rule. Your memorialists therefore suiimit to your Honoursible Board that the recpust of the proposed company referred to should, in the meantime at least, be refused. (signed) Robert Macfie, Chairman. (!,.s.) - No. 3. — Sir, Board of Trade, 28 October 185-2. I AM directed by the Lords of the Committee of Privy Council for Trade to acknowledge the receipt of the memorial of the Chamber of Commerce of (ireenock against the grant of a charter of incorporation, with limited liability, to a com- pany proposing to build screw steamers, to trade between (Jreat Britain and the United States and Canada, and to say that the memorial will receive the careful consideration of their Lordships. I am, kc. Robert Macfie, Esq. (signed) Janm Booth. Chamber of Commerce, Greenock. — No. 4. — Shipowners' Association, Sir, Liverpool, 5 October 1862. As chairman of the Liverpool Shipowners' Association, 1 have been requested by the committee to transmit to you theencloseil copy of certain resolutions passed by them this day, respecting the granting of charters, with limited liabilit\-, to joint-stock companies mvning shijB. These resolutions have originated from a strong conviction in the uiin'Isof the committee, participated in, they believe, by the general body of shijiowners, tliat the granting of these charters confers an unfair advantage in favour of joint-stock companies (owners of steam sbips) in that competition which is considered essential to the < xtension of public accommodation, and which is now increasing in an extraordinary degree the means of transit to various parts of tiie world. The committee therefore would respectfully solicit from the Board of Trade their favourable consideration of the resolutions now submitted to them. I have, &c. (signed) Robert Rankin, The Right Hon. J. W. Henley, m.p.. Chairman. President of tliu Board of 'J'rade, London. 730. A 2 Enclosure < s 4 I'APIH.S REI.ATINr. TO TIIK LONDON, LIVERPOOL, AND EnrloMiri' in N<». 4. At a Mf« tinf,' ol the loniiiiiiUo of tlio liivtrpool Shii>i)wn(Ts' AmtK-iatioii, held the 5th d»y of OctoU^r IH,',2, c.iniin;" I'reaciit, Hofmt liankiit, KHq., in tiic C-'hiiir, &c. &e. kc 'I'lir. lonriM! luloptiHl hy jnint-Htook coMipanirs for uteain navigation in ol>taining charter*, with hmitcd liahility, and the ufhrtu .if *u(h charters on conijMinies and jKirsons not enjoying iiuch limited hahility, were considered. //»»»/i«/,— That iw regards Hhippiiig, this committee i» op|x)«ed to tlie Boanl of Trade '■ ' '■ ■' ''-'■'-': r :„:... ...„-i _:„^ _...i is of opinion that all joint-Hlock conipnniea. engage\N\. s coinpanv a cliiirltT ot inr(ir|Minitivi«i()iin ul' llir Art "1' Ut Virloria, i':i|i. '.\ iiititiilci). " All Act |nr lullrr rnuliliii;; llor Nliiji'.-ly tu rinitiT (•crliiiii I'liwiri. <«ii Tt.idin;; and otiicr Cniii|i:inirK," uml tliiit i-iicli :i|.j>lic:itiiin \\:x* Iku-ii rctirri'd liy llrr Miijr' thi- Coiniiiilti-t; of I'rivv ('oiiiicil fur TmdL' and I'liuitutidtM. I>.tli'd \\u» 'i\yi d.iv ol' Ui-tuU'r, 185-J. U'liiirynn mid MiiUmun, Solicitorit for tlic London, Lixcrpool, imd Nortli Anicrican Srrcw Stcuni Slii|i I'liininiiiy, 11, Aiir'tiii-lriiir^, Kondon. [A oiinilar iin«wir fo tii.it sent tn Grccnook (No. 3) wu?* letiirnL'il to tlii- Irttcr on '2HtU Oi-toliir.] — No. tl — Sir, (Jln*u;r,w, I Nftvoiiihtr IH.'i.j. ()^f heliiilt' of oiirsilvis ainl other sliipowiicrs in tlir city, we liavc tlic lionoiir to traiiMiiit a iiiiMiiorial from the shipowiur* of Ghisjrow to IIk; Moan! of Traih", praying their Lonlsliips to refuse the a|)|iHeatioiis of eertaiii e(>iji|iaiiie» for charter^i limiting the re8|)on8il)ility of the partnerii to tiie ainount of stock hehl by them ; and we may mention that the aecoiiipaiiyitig tnemorial is sultscriiicti by every shipov nei o^ importance in this city. We are, &c. (signed) J'oNo/,; CUinvur, i^- Co. Totlie Wight !lon. .1. W. Henley, President of the Board of Trade, London. Ench)snrn in No. (t. I'nto tlic llonourilli'o the Lords Coiiiuiii'siiinci''^ of tlio Board of Trado. Tlic liuuiblc Mcinuriul of thu uiidurcii^ned ^hi|H)wnLM-.'4 of (llasijuw, Shiiweth, That your menioriHhsts are informed that applications have been made, or arc nl).iiit to be made, to your Ilonour.ible Hoaixl for the incorporation by liuval cbaitor of cei i:. .-oin- panicii pro|K)3ing to trade between Great iSrituin and other plucen, one of these to tlu. U-,iUHl States and Canada, and anotlicr to certain ports in the Mediterranean, with chiuses Hii/.ting the liability of the partners to the amount of sXucV subscribed by them. That the great body of liritish shipowners carry on their operations without any other protectioti than is atibidcd by the common law of the land, and are each liable in tlicir trans- actions to the full extent of their means ; and your memorialists deprecate very strongly any departure from this rule. I our memorialists beg further to draw attention to the injustice of extending to a few coii.- panics privilege" not enjoyed by others in the same trade. The wliolo pro|)erty of the share- holders of existing com{)anie8, and of the individual shipowners of (ircat Britain, is subject to the ordinary risks of commerce, and to all the effect of comjietition. But it is proposed to exempt the shareholders of these new joint-stock companies from this n\si)onsii)ility, and to admit them who run little or no risk to a contest with those who risk cverytl'iing, and who liavc already, by private enterprise, carried out efficiently undertakings of immense magnitude. Your memorialists therefore submit to your Honourable Board that the request of the proposed companies referred to should be refused. (signed) William Brown & Co. MacCallum & Graham. A. Galbraith & Co. John Mitchell. Pollok, Gilmour, & Co. George Gillespie. James Ewing &, Co. A. G. Ridston & Co. William & Co. William Connol & Co. Geo. Smith & Sons. Potter, Wilson, & Co. Thos. Cameron & Co. Matt. Langlands. David Ilutchcson & Co. Jas. and Alex. Allan. Alex. Laird & Sons. Patrick Henderson & Co. Peter Thomson Aikinan. William Kidston & Sons. Lewis Potter & Co. Stirling, (iordon, & Co. U. & J. Burns. [A similar answer to that sent to Greenock was returned to tliis letter on 26th October.] 730. A3 — No. 7. l'^') '■''^ 6 PAPERS FtKl-ATlNii TO THE LONDON, LIVKIU'OOL. AND - No. 7. — To the Right Hononrnbli- tho lionU <>f II whidi are l>\ law denied to private trading com- punies and individuals. 'I hat one of these application^ i^ now lirfnre your Lordsliip-;. from a company calling itself th«' " Ixindon, Liverpool, and North Amerienn Screw Steam Ship ('ouii)aiiy,'' and your memoriali>its hiimhiy submit to your Lordships that the granting of the peculiar |>rivile;ies and facilities asked for, would cronte a mono- poly in itc favour, and sultjcct to ruin the legitimate trader not so protected, and crush eompetitiun. Your memorialists tlierefore liumbly jiray your Lordships that this, and all similar applications from steam-ship cunipanies or individuals for charters of limited responsibility, may !«■ refused. (signed) \\ illiam W ilson & Son, for Liverpool and Rotterdam, Liverpool and Lisbon, and Liverpool and Cori^ Steam Lines. Viamia, Innis, & Chappie, Liverpool and Mediterranean, and Liverpool and Portugal. .Fohn Pribby, Sons, & Co., Liverjjooland Mediterranean. James Moss, Liverpool, Sicily, and Egypt. Newall, Burt,&. ('o., Liverpool, West Lidies, and Mexico. Henry Dixon, & Co., Liverpool and Levant. M^illiam M'Elroy, for the Drogheda Steam Packet Cont" l)any. Francis Robinson, for Liverpool and Belfast, and Liver- pool and Waterford. Richard Armour, for the Dublin and Liverpool Steam Packet Company. Henry Hatton, for Carlisle Steam Company. Patterson, Dunn, & Co., for the North- West of Ireland Steam Packet Company. Wm. Pirrie & Co., for the Ulster Canal Carrying Steam Packet Company. FitzSimons, Applebee, & Co., for the Bristol Channel aad Wexford Steam Packet Companies. Geo. Couthern & Cross, Liverpool and Mediterranean. James Metge, Agent for Dundalk Steam Sliip Company. Langtrys & Co., per H. Fulton, for the Liverpool and Belfast Steamer. Price & Case, Liverpool and Bangor Steamers. F. Martin, Burns, 8c Co., per R. Fowler, for the Liver- pool and Sligo steamers. Lamport & Holt, Liverpool and Egypt. Tho. Orfoid, Isle of Man Steam Packet Company. A. Laurie, Agent for the Galloway Steam Navigation Companies. [A similar answer to the preceding one returned.] NORTH AMERICAN ,S( REW STKA.M SHIJ» COMPANY. 5t^ - No. H. — Kurliii^ton llotrl. Cork-tfrfi », Sir, •» Novi'nihiT 1h.%2. WiTi! rcfcrmrc to uii applicntion now b#'f'or.' th»' lionn! of Trndf torn i liarliT. with limited lialtilitv, from piirtii's itrn|Ki»iiiir tn torrn a rmiijwny f<> ♦wulc with screw stmni >lii|)!» bet ween Kn^Iano timl Norfii Aiiitrioa. I In;; n .iMotftilly Id stati', that tills i- a tratic well iiiiilrr-ti»)ii ; that tluTf is no want nf moan* or capital to pvonffutc if, in the usual imrratitili- course, iii which the parties owning the !«hi]is are liable tor all (iebt'iciintrarted. I annex n list iro}rresi». We Ktiall coinnienct! ninniii|jf on the Mth of next month, anil shall continue to depart at re|;iilar |)eriods during the v< ar. if the trade shoidil jiistity the employment of a greater nnnii)er ot ships, thi n' are plenty of mercantile hons«'s in this country ready to embark tiinir capil.il in it withoiii an .Act of Incorporation to protect them. It dues nut appear to me to be justice to those who have emiiarked their ca])itiil in a legitimate trade, in the usual course of business, aiul in the prosecution of which they may have piid dearly lor e.iperieiice, to set up a company, with limited respon.*ihility, the suh- scriptions to which may be confined to .■»()/. or 100/. (I believe this company propose the shares to be as low as 20/.). Tlufse companies arc! freipiently got u|) by jiersons who know nothing about the business ; the parties subscrihing merely do so to oblige friends who wish to get the maniigeiri'iit ; it is of very little con- sequence to them ; they can only lose .^0 /. or 10(»/. If debts are incurred, the public are the suffen rs. Tt is well known that two companies enga.;ed in steant ships, in the trade between Kugland aiul America, lost iipwanls of .n()(),000 /. in a very short period ; the unfortunate owners had to bear the whole loss. If they bad been iiniler i charter, witli limited liability, t!ie public would have lost the money. Ihe Mnard of Trade may be considered to be the guardians of the jjublic, and not of individuals de.-irous of engaging in o|)erations in which they ari- willing to risk only TiO /. or 100 /., but which by joint eontrilintions may efi'ect f!ie ruin of the fair trailer, who had embarked 30,000 /. or 1(M).(»00 /. in an imdi rtaking of the sanu; kiiul. An Act of this description can only be justitiiti where a new traON. IJVI HIHJOL. AM) Wi lia\<' IK) rliartirtu iirntcct If, Mt iin- iii)"'t'ly a <'i)-|iiirtri('rMliip, miil an- not (inK hiilili tor till- aiiMiunt Mr iinn rrf|Mrtivi'ly liiild in tlit- roiiriTii, Imi tn tin- Cull aiiiiiiiiit ol oiii' irii'aii", joiiiiJN aiitl •x-vrrally. lint tlir Irailc carriiil lii|)'< in that Inulr arc owiuii l>v ijiirrrcnt nii-r- canlili' IniiiiM- of wliicli our lioii«4- JHoni-; having no coniicxiMii witli lai-li other; till' |iartii> riiriiioli tliiir oun (ii|iilal. ami carli parim-r i* lialili- lor the whole amount iil ilrl>t. It i.crvcil a notice in the pa|Nr^, a »liort time Kince, that a linn uwniii^; one MTcu >t('ani -hill hail ii|i|ilic(l to the HoanI ol'IVaile for a i li.irtir. If the lin!>lii|) i» eni|iloV('(l slioiilil |iriivc lobe |irolitalile it imiy ixit be ncccs- sury tocxtetiil the com|)any ; i)iit if the cliuiter is p;ibiiteil, the tiiin woiilil have the power o* iJi^|M«xin>; «f shares, and in the event of loss, the pulilic uonlil iiave to iiiar it. I do not ini|iiite any \vroii^:doin(r to the tirni allmled to, for 1 know miiliin;; alioiil them. The ('aiiadian (ioveriinieiit have lately ^iveii a siilt^idy tu a |iiiriy to run screw steam ships between this country and Cuiaila, and I'oitlatid, in the Cniteil Stales. The I'drtlaml Hailroad ('<>ni|>any have also agreed to aid this line. I l.ave been Imi;; aware that as soon as the Pottliiid Itailroad slimihl b<> eompletid tliat we ■•liould lo«e the fri i^lit that wr wer. in tlie haiiit of c;irryinj; to hiotiiii and New Yoriv lor (auada, and iinle>'> wf put steaiiurs on tlie line to Piirtiaiid iwiiicli we could not do with the mail steamers) tliis truiKe would fall into the iiaiuis of an American and I'^iiirlisli co njiany. This wa«oiie of our rcaiions for liiiildiiif; the screw steaniir>. Tliese jfaities should have no exclusive privilege ovi I' nie and others, who are risking our whole niiMiis, and I hope and trust thut so y;reat an injury will not be |ierpetrated uj«in the le;:itniatL' trade of the country, Ihe establishment of this subsidised Canudian and Purllaiid Company will be very injurious to us, but I do not coinpluin of that : person^ embarkinj; in uuy trade must expect o|ipo.sition ; I only ask that they should not have exclusive privileges granted to them. Siieli churters would be very convenient to some projectors: if they make money, they divide it among themselves ; if they lose money, the public have the benefit of the loss. Coin|iunies have before now been known to make dividends out of capital, whert; no profits had ever exiisted ; original proprietors and managers have been known to retire from a lo.sing concern before the public were aware of the state of aHiiirs. I um, &c. 'Ihe R'ght Honourable J. W. Henley. (signed) S. Cunard. Enclosure in No. b. ScHEW Steam Ships that luve been and arc employed in the Trade between Great Britain and North Auicrica. City of Glasgow City of Manchester Glasgow - Sarah Sands Great Britain - City of Pittsburg S. S. Lewis Pioneer - South Carolina Tons. - 1,6101 Now running between Liverpool and - 2,125/Philadelphia. - 2.120 Glasgow and New York. - 2 00of Liverpool and New York; now gone to ' [Australia. » .,j^J Liverpool and New York ; now gone to ' (.Australia. - l.STS-* American screw ships between different - 1,103 [ports in the United States and Liverpool ; have - 2,500 (all been withdrawn except the South Caro- - l,60oJlina. Andes, Alps, Etna, Jura, Taurus, and Tencrlffe, all first-class screw steam ships, four of which are now nearly ready for sea, to be employed between Liverpool and different ports in North America, commencing the 8th of next month; owned by Cunard & Co. 4 November 1852. (signed) & Cunard. •v-?' NOIITII AMERICAN HCHF.W 8TKAM SHIP COMPANY. > ^1). 11. To ihr Kiijltt H«iii(iural)li' the I.unN of tli>' C'omiiiiU' i- of I'riw Coiiiiril for Tmili iiiid I'liiiitatioii.. Tlu' Mnii' rial of iln Miiiil»ri!* of tin- Slii|iowiicr»' Society of Soutfi Shicliia. in llmiililv !or.i- tion mull r tlir |provi>iony lltr Majt-ty to yonr Lord^ltip^. That liy -ret. I of the siid Mafntc it i^^ iTuirlrd, that in tin' ^rantini: of such a cliaitcr of incorporation, it i* coinixtt-nt to your Lord^hijc^ to limit the liubilily ol the nundicrs of ihc foiiipany -o a^^sociatid to :*ncli extent, per -hare, as Hhall he declared hy >neh charter. That iiucli liniitatiunx of risponrtiliility have never liei n granted l*\ yonr Lird- )- checked, and an end put to free competition. Your memorialists thorcfdre suluuit that vour Lordships n lii«r the application made hy the said L'pudon, I.i\erpoi)l, ami North .\tnericnii Sen w Steam Ship Company, and hy any other companies who may so apply to your l,"rdshi|»s. And your mer.iorialists will ever pray. By order, and on heliulf of the naMuhers of the Shipowners' Society of South Shields. Jvhn JiobtHSuii, (.'hairinun. [A similar answer to that .««nt to the Greenock Chamber of Commerce (No. 3) returned] — No. 10.— Town Clerk's Office, South Shields, Sir, 8 November 1862. I AM directed by the mayor and town council of the borough to forward Cii the enclosed memorial against the grant of a charter of incorporation to the ndon, Liverpool, and North American Steam Screw Company, for the reasons stated in the memorial, to the prayer of which I respectfully call the attention of the Board of Trade. I am, &c. (signed) Thomas Salmon, The Right Honourable J. W. Henley, Town Clerk, board of Trade, London. Enclosure, No. 10. To the Right Honourable the Lords of the Committee of Privy Council for Trade and Plantations. The Memorial of the Mayor and Town Council of the Borough of Suulh Shields, in tliu County of Durham, Humbly showeth, That your memorialists have heard that an application has been made by the London, Liverpool, and North American Screw Steam Snip Company (provisionally registered) for 730. B tlie it ': i 10 I'APRRS RELATINP, TO THE LONDON. LIVERPOOL AND •lip ;,'miit ol' ;i rliiirtrr nf iiiciirjMiraticm utulur 1 Viet. <■. 73, ami tliiit tlm sftnio lias been nfirrc'l tn ymir h(>r(|-lii|>f l.y llcr Mnjfslv ; !iny other (..iiiiMiiiiis. That l>v M-rt. \ of ihr nai'il Ktaluti!, it w (;omi«aiat to your Lonl.-liijis, on thi- sraiitiii),' of -uoh a I'hiirtcr, to limit ihr lialiility of tiu' iuciiiIkts of ih,.' coniiiany thereby to he a^'.tociated ill -uch n luttiiiier :w ."hall Iw (loclarcil hy ^uch ohiirtor. That (•x<-i-](t ill ca.-i- wiiich .nihracu j^i-at |mhlic. ;wivniita;,'c witli iiiui-h private risk, Hiicli liiiiilatioii^ of rc^pon.-iliillty have iicv, as the ^irvfmiii;; representative hxly of this lar;ro and important sliippinj,' eommunity, feci hound to ixprc*- tluir decided opposition to any departuri^ from that rule, considering that if the privilcfir- soii;;lit to he ol)taiii(il hy tlie afonsaid cunijjany were g|-aiiled to thoni. cjr to other-i uridi^r -iinilar eiicuiiistauce-, |iri\atc ctiterprise would lie elieeked and dis- couraited, and an end put to tree idiiipctilioti. Voni- iiiciiiciriali-ts ilmelorc reaped fully hut eannstly pray your I.ord?liip.- nut to aeecdo to the a|i|>licalioii ol the Screa Si.iin .'^hip ("oiiipany aforesaid for a charter of ineorponi- lion. or of any otiier com|iany or companies who may apply to your Lordships. And your'iiicmonalists, as in duty hound, will ever priiy, Sijrned cm helialf of the Town C'ouueil of the borouj^h of Soutli Shields atiiresaid, this Hth day of Novenilier lHj2. ./o/in t'.'ff//, Mayor. [A similar answrr to tin- precptliiig one rctiirneil.] No. 11.— T.i tlio Rifjlit Honourahle tlio lioard of Comniitteo of Her .Majesty's Most Ilouotirabli? I'rivy C'otiiieil for Trade. The Memorial of tlie Directors of the Cliamhcr of Commerce and Manufactures, estahlislied hy Royal Charter in the City of Glastjow, Respectfully slidweth, That certain parties trading under the style and title of the London, Liver- |i(iol, and North American Screw Steam .Siii[) Company, and proiwsinfi,' to carry |iassun, emigrant', specie, ami niiMchamlise in scicw stiani ships to and from ihe port of Lon nil, tlie port of Liverpool, and otiicr ])oit or jiorts of th • United Kingdom of(rreat Britain and Ireland, ami the ports of .St. .lolm's, Newfonndlaiid, Qneiice uiid Montreal, in Candida, and other ports of Ih'itiiih North America, and the port of New York, and other j)orts of the United States of America, to grant such com))anv a charter of incorporation, iimlcr the provisions of the Act oi 1 Vict. c. 7:i, intituled, ' An Act for better enabliu<; Her Majesty to confer •,' and that such application lias of Privy Council for Tr.ide and certain Powers on I'rading and other Companie: iiinttce ferreil hy Her M;ijc'ty to the C oini been reterrei Plantation? '• ];ated this Ulst day of October 185-J. — Signed, Wadcson & Malle.-on. Solicitors for the Lomlon, Liver[)0ol, ami North Anii"''''iin Steam Scren Sliij) Company. 11, Austin Friars, London." Memorialists have also heard that another comjiany, intending to tnide td certain jiorts in the Mediterranean, havi^ applied to your Lordships for a sindlar lloyal (diartcr, limiting the liability of the partners to tiie amount of stock »ul)- scribed liy them. That while i!us association must feel gratified with every nndnrtaking which is likely to extend and enlarge the trade and commercial relations between Great Britain and other countries in the increase and employment of British shipping, wiiether screw steam ships or others, they cannot but view with coii- eequences the most serious to their own interests as shipow-ners, and to the safety of tiie pidjlic, the application of the afiiresaid companies to seek by Royal charter for indemnity against loss, beyond the amount of shares subscribed for and registered in the name of each jiroprietor or shareholder, under the provisions ot the Act 1 Vict. c. 73. That at no period of our commercial history were mono|)olies deemed other than unjust, where no new discovery warranted such a coucession fiom the Government ; that the protective system of trading in all its departments having been virtn.dly abandoned, as well by the repeal of the navigation laws as by tiie free trade commercial policy which has been lately adopted by Her Majesty's Government, being in spirit and in practice altogether at variance with th<' exclusive rights now sought for by said companies, with no absignable or well- foun led cause. That memorialists are largely interested as individual owners and partners in screw steamers and other ships engaged in these trades, without any protection whatever than the common law of the land afi'ords, their liability for loss extending over all their property ; that their capital thus employed would be fearfully jeopardised were any such undue privileges to be granted to the aforesaid companies. That your memorialists cannot in terms sufficiently strong convey their ideas of the amount of injury that the grant of such charter would produce, while the solitary prospects of negative good would be speedily overwhelmed by tiie greater amount of positive evil to your memorialists, and all others connected with such property. 730. B 8 Memorialists if T\^ la I»AI'F':Rh KKLATING T() THE LONDON, LIVERPOOU AND Miinnrialists tlitrtfoic tiiriu^tly iirjji' that your Lonl»lii|J8 will refujK! to ncoiii- rnfiul the giiiiit of such chiirter, or of uny similar charter to any othir shipping ronipany. And your nu-uiorialiiit!* will vvft pray. Signed for iind m hrhalf of tin- Helfast Shipowners' A-'Huciation, as aureed njion at a spiciai meeting i)eld at Belfast lOlh Noveniher I8:>2. ^Hi};n<'d) ./no. Hamsun, ('hairnian. [A similar answer to the preceding ones retiinn'd.] ! 11 — No. i;j. — To the Right Honourahic tln' Lords of the Committee of Privy (!ouncil for Trade and Plantations. The Memorial of the North Amm-icaii Colonial Assooi.ition of London, Showeth, That vour memorialists are iiifortned an upplieation has lieeti made to your Lordships liy a company called " The London, Liverpool, and North American Screw Steam Ship Com|.any'' for a Hoyal charter of incorporation. That your memorialists iind(r>tand it is the intention of the said company to run steam vessels fmm London and Liverpool to Newfountlland and Canada, as well as to the United StHtes. That there i* at present no direct steam communication between this country and the cidonits above named. That such a eommunicution would materially advance the interests of these colonies, and has been for Home years past anxiously desired l)y the colonial (lovcrnments, as well as by the mercaiitile interests there ami at honn'. That your memorialists, being merchants largely engaged in commerce with the North American colonies, have excited themselves to induce proj.rietors of steam vessels to employ them in that trade, whicli they have declined doing, because they believe tlit- profits would not be so large as individuals e.xpei-t for investments of capital in such an enterprise. That your memorialists are convincid the great ben. fits of »team eouimunica- ti<>n will not be extended to tiie North American colonies for many years to come, unless through tiie instrutnentality <\V a chartered coninany with a large capital, the shareholders in which would he satisfied with a moderate return on their investments. 'I'hat in consequence of the long passages made by sailing shijjs (the only mode of conveyance at present lor goods to the above-named colonies), the merchants and traders of Canada have lately found it to their advantage to pur- chase consicU'rable portions of their sH[jpli«'S in New York and other markets in the United States, to the injury of the trade of this country in general, and of your memorialists in particular, which trade would, in a great measure revert to England if the speed and regularity of steam vessels were applied to the con- veyance of goods to Canada, That the only mode of conveyance for emigrants to the North American colonies is also by sailing vessels, that freqttently make very protracted voyages, during which great misery is suffered, with loss of many valuable lives, which will be entirely prevented to the extent that accommodation may be aflPorded by steam. Your memorialists therefore pray that your Lordships will be pleased to advise Her Majesty to grant a Royal charter of incorporation to such parties as may be willing to extend the advantages of steam communication to Canada and Newfoundland, on such conditions as your Lordships may detMn expedient. And your memorialists will ever pray, &c. (signed) James Dowie, Chairman. (Iv [A similar answer to the preceding ones returned.] 27V NORTH AMERICA' -CUEW STEAM SHU' t t»MI'ANY. ij — No. 14. — Liiiiilon, Liverpool, and North Amcrirau Screw Strain Ship Coinpany. Sir. No. 11, Li'a»l«'iihiill-strort, i>» Nov. 1 H6'i. When you hoiioiind u deputation on bohalf of tiu-conipanv with an interview on the 2Tth instiiiit, you di'sin-d to Ih' informed wlittlier tiii! company would he willing tliat provision s^hould he tnude in the Royal charter of incorporation tor which the company has applied for stcurin*; the folio** in<> ohjects; viz. 1. That it shonM l)e oidigafory on the company to aijopt find perform the conditions of the ctmtract e.xis.ing between the (Jovernnient of Canada and .Mr. Robert Lamont and others; 2. That the company should be lionnd to send at ha-t one steam !!>hip each month to an Irish port ; And I am retpiested to convey to you the sentiments of the provisional com- mittee on these two propositions. 1. The contract in <]uesiion tloes not ^i\e any anthoriiy to the contractor;? to assign their intere>r in it, and it Mill conseijucntly not lie possible for this com- pany to perform its conditions, unless witli the concurrem;e oi the Canadian Government, ajtplication for which lias already been made. Tliis committee has entered into a provisional agreement with the contractors, by which the company will be bound to a^snllu■ the liabiiitiis of the contract, if the assent of the Governnient of Canada hf obtained, which agreement is nccosarily con- tingent upon tlu! Royal charter being granted ; and tin; committee are ready to come under any further obligation that you may deem rerpiisite to the same eft'ect ; hut they respectfully submit to you that it would be iuennvenieiit to introduce sucii a contingency into the body of the charter. •i. The committee beg to refer to the heading of their prospectus which bus been issued to the public, and contains these words, ■' calling at I'lymouth, Queenstown, and Belfast (any or either of them), as the directors may determine." It has always been, and still is, the intention of the coinniittee that their vessels should call at ihose p(Mts, but being aware of the great danger of eommittiiig themselves befon hand to the minor details of their arrangements, which must be subject to allel•atioll^l from the force of circunistaiicl()\v and uncertain vova are inlormed tliat it !< in tlie powrr of vour i.nnlshijis to insert in such cliiirter a clau-e liiaitin;^- the h'aliility of tlu; siiart.!iol(Ier> to certain auioiinfs of .-tock fiienin spix-ified. Tliat su(th chiu'^es have never liiiheito lucu iii-crti d in tlie charter of iiicor- |)oration of trading- or sliippin^- conip»nie>, wiiethir <;iamed hv I'arllament or liy \()nr Lordsliips, e.vcept in ran.' and peculiar ca-( s. That your mcniori-ilists are de-jdy impressed with the danger ami impropriety of any departure from the established rule in rej^ard to partnershi|)s, and are unable to perceive, in the case of the compatiy refeircd lo, any reason to sinction such a departure. That the staple trade of the community wiiich your nicniorialists represent is the buildin},s fitting, and furnishing; with machinery of inm steam slops, and also the building' of sailing vessels. That during the last two years no less than ;n ships have thus been con- structed, and now in progress, showing an aggregate t(mna;.;o of upwards of 2.1, ()()() tons, and an aggregate engine power of '2,300 hoiscs. Tliat these ships have been e.vclusively constructed for individuals or compa- nies who carry on their operations unprotected by any suc'i privileges as those sought for by the company before specified, and thai the s]ii|)huil(lers and engineers of this burgh look to such individuals and companies for the mainte- nance and extension of their trade, but have hitherto found it impracticable to trade with chartered companies, as the olficials are not responsible, and the very companies themselves not responsible, for the debt which they maj- coiitract. May it therefore please your Lordships refuse the apjilication for incorpo- ration by charter of the said Steam Screw Company, and of anv similar com- panies who may apply to yoni;,Lordships. And your memorialists will ever pray, &c. Signed by me, in name, and by authority of the Magistrates and Town Council of the burgh of Dumbarton. Dumbarton, 27 November 1H52. (signed) P. Denny, .Tun., Provost and Chief Magistrate. [The above memorial was left by a deputation.] — No. 17.— Burlington Motel, Cork-street, Sir, 27 November 1S52. Since I had the honour of addressing you, I have received numerous commu- nications from some of the principal shipowners in the kingdom, pointing out in tlie most forcible language the injury that would be inflicted upon them if the charter applied for should be gianted, which induces nie to trouble you again with some further remarks on the subject. It is set forth in the published prospectus of this company which I enclose), that they may " probably " call at Newfoundland ; they do not bind themselves to do so ; but even if they did oblige them.selves to call there, it would not be a sufficient reason for granting a charter of this description, the requisite eapit.d being easily within the means of many individuals to accomplisli the under- taking. 730. 11 4 Two I 1 It. I'APKRS HKI. T>*" .srn-w -lii|t» ti iiiiiniiMllnii iHtucni (in at Kiitiiin niiiiK ATING TO Tin: I.oNDON. LIVERPOOL. AM) (•((••t 'Jft.ooo/ I mil would k»'i'|) tip a n-iiiilar nioiitlily foin- Ivilfhiixl Jinil N. wf.iiiiMllaiicl. Tlir iiicriMiitili- houses in tid with N.wrniiiKlliiiicI are very vvcaltliy, siiid tin- mer- (•liaiit> ill NiwIi.i.iiillaiMJ an- alx) ricli. If a line «'f tlii- kind woiijil pay, there an- :>() Ii(,iis«s facli of wliicli could, williout difficulty, liud capital to carry it t. If it >!ioid«l !ic a lo-iii>f coiiciTn, a cliartiT would not improve it, as it is an alwavs transact ativ kind oriiu--iiii'ss niucli more on w« siiow n that nil ll lividu advaniaui oii-ly llian |.uIpIic ( <)ni|iaiiic> r\iii I f ti I'.re ihl l> \ los« It ID onld lal! iipi n the pii«on> intt listed in tlie prosperity of t'le colony, \vl wimld III l.ciiilittd In the estalj|i»hnient of such a I'oiniminieatioii. It is also 'ct lorih in tin pidspectn- that the traffic now carried on lietwecn thi* coiiniry ^md North Aiin rica (which tiicy propo-e to eiiilirace) "employs .•»,m:i(i,I7-J ton- (pr?hip)iin;;- annually." The owner-, of tiiis vast amoniit of ship- pin;:- have s. nt petitions to you lidtii all parts of the kin^doin, entreatinf> you not to inflict u|)oii lliim a jirtai amount of injury, which they ccmsider this charter w(jiild do. If the projectors of this c(Mnpaiiv had, before the projiertic.s of tlic proiK-IltT iiecaine known and understood, proposal to run a line of screw steam ship^ across the .Atlantic, then; mi^ht have lu'cn some excuse for f^rantin;; tiicm this charter, a^ they wcuild have run some risk, and ini;;lit have iiitniduccd some- thing; new : hut thev piojiosc nothinn- new ; others liave embarked lar^e sums of money in makiiie e.\|ierim' tits, and liavi; established t:ie trade. This Company will not onl\ reap the advantap' of other people's c.vpcriinents, but demand exclusive privilecre besides. Thev also talk of <.^(iiii<;- to (Quebec: as sailinjj ships have gone there for 100 years, there can be no (Ifuiiit that screw ships can •:() there also ; there is no discoverv in that. The shipowners in the Camida trade are (jnite aware lliat thev will be compelled to put screws into many of their sailiiif; ships, and will Jiave in future to construct their ship.-, with screws, .and navigate them at their own risk ; hut if a limited liability company is established, it will deter them from doing so. This company have obtained a grant of 24,000/. a year from Canada, and from an American railroad com|)auy, which will e;ive them a decided ailvan- tage over all other owners of screw steam ships cm|)loyed between this country and North America, not one of whom receive any subsidy w allowance from the f M vernmeiit, or from any otln r source; they have individually embaiked in the trade, at their own cost and risk, and it would be most unjust to check their iiperations, which will soon embrace all the places spoken of by this mono- |)oli/,ing company, who have been so fortumue as to obtain a largo and exclusive subsidy, with which thev should hi' satisfied. The amount of capital required to carry out this ('anadian and American subsidised Com])any is cjuite within the means of hundreds of houses in England. It is not at all necessary that a Board of Directors should sit in London to sui)erint''nd the outfit and de|)arture of ships from Liverpool and other ports ; the merchants at these ])orts think they can conduct the shipping business as Will themselves, and they do not see any advantage to result to the country from concentrating the whole trade between England and North .America in London under the management of these 15 directors. There can be no olijec- tion to this company carrying on the trade to any extent they please, as other persons do, but they should have no exclusive privilege over others granted to them. They talk in the prospectus of carrying the mails, but it is not likely that they will lie burthencd with the mails, as the letters are now delivered in Quebec and Montreal in 12 or 13 days, twice a week, throughout the year, and this duty has been regularly performed for 12 years without any cost to the Govern- ment, the postage received repaying the amount paid for the performance of the service. It is contended by the shipowners that there should be no charter granted with limited liability, unless it be to open some new trade, requiring capital beyond the reach of private means. This chartered Company would, not only itself enter into undue competition with British shipowners, but would also powerfully contribute towards enabling a foreign railroad company to do the same in combination with it, and there is uo 27^ WCCII ■*lii|)- iliis NORTH AMKUILAN SCKKW SIKAM r^lUP CO.Ml'AW, nu ciilcilliitill^ tlic r\'> uliicli t uwiuTs (ir(fri-iit Drilaiii. ii> iiiuv (iiirii (1 t(j t]if iiijiiry >>i il.c *Iii|)- Tlu' {iraniiiiji; of this cliartir woiilil <•; thnt li Us ■ iiiorc il>* 1 li-ta li ts pa-^si'd lor in !iiy y( ar >ii tl lail IiMV Act TIic Riglit Ih.n. .!. \V. II. I,!, V, I'lcsidt'iit ortlu: Huarii ot"iraii ■] Ki.rl o«niv in .No. 1' LONDON, Jiiviaipooi., ami Noiini Amkiikan Si iikw Stk.a.m Ship Company, onllin^ nt rii/iiwitth, qmnistoini, niitl llilfasl, (uiiy or oillar <.f llitiii,; iis the Dircitoix limv drtii- iniiie. I'rovihiidiiilly ii'<;i.-tcivil, |mrcii.int to Act of I'mliiiiiutit. ' KH \ict. r. ijd. To be incor|Hiritf(l by Koyal climtcr, (for wliioli npidlcntion Im.s lnoii iiiiulf,) tliirct>v Uniitiii}; the ro:'|)onnil)ility of sharohoUlfrjt to tin- iiinount of thuir .-ah.-i riptioii. Ciiiiitul (idO.lMio/., in 3(),()0() flmreg of 20/. fiich, of which .j,(I(I(I .-liiwi',- arc reserved for tli.-trilmtiou in North Aincricii, with power to inerciisc the lunoiiiit. l)e|io.>it 'll. per rhaie, jiayaljle within seven dayn of ullotnicut, itlid 21. |K.'r chare within one month utter obtaining charter of incorpurution. Trustee*. Georjic Ciirr (jlyn, Iv-q . m. p. George Pcabody, Ksq. Itohcrt Gillespie, l'".s(|. on. \ Provisional Committee. Peter Rolt, K»(| , .M.P., London. Robert Carter, lOwp, Director of the Rank of J5ritii.ii ol i.,l,;ire ir iiinl citl.ivn will I I>\iiit.cl liy the r-tal>li--linMiil ol llu!* coiniiany. Tlif traflir lit |ircw nt luHmlly (xiplint.' ImIwiiII Noiiiloii. I/ncrpool, iiiicl other irfirU of (iriiit Ilrilain, to tin- I'nitol Static and our North Aniiriran foloniiK, < iiililov-* aiimi;illy iin iiL'L'ii L'liti ol ;i.h,'iii,lT'J toni- o -hij piiiL, in whirli an- iiichuUMl only al>oiit lA )indi|]o aniljKTfW Ml iinitT-'. witli rarrviiif; cai acity li-r the >niall |iro| port ion cd' 'JT2,lt\H ton* (iin iiiipcarn liy tin; J'lnliainciitiirv nt.irn- id iH.il' !>• 'jI.' j : jtnd tlit total niinili Ontarir, I'.rie, liuron, and IkliclilL'aij, calling' at Kiii;;hton, Toronto. ilamiUon, ('hieii;;o, and iiiti riiiodiate jiorti'. 'ITius tlie e,()(H> dollars, and was, in 1848, 40,(K)0,000 of dollars greHt( r than that of tiie entire foreijin export tiade of the United States from all their sea- ports. The I'liited .States and llritish Lake shipping; exceeds 20,j,(M)() tons, and employs 13,(I(K) im n. 'I'lie estalilishnient of reirular steam eommunicatiun with i'.ii;{land is considered in the colonies lo lie of such vital nii|)ortanee to their interests, tlutt the Govcnimenis of Canada and of Newfoiindliind, touetlier with some puhlic bodies, have respectively offercer to March inclusive, ctmveying a mail and u Post-office agent if required ; and for the six years iiillowing to run one steamer per fortnight to and from the same ports. L" is also expected that a satisfactory arrangement will shortly be made with the Govern- ment (d' Newfiiundland, which may induce the company to carry out the intention of a portion of their vessels calling at that island. The subjec; of accelerated communication with America, by the establishment of a packet station on the western coast of Ireland, has rcce.itly engaged the attention of the public and the Government, and care has been taken in the draft charter of this company to reserve ftdl power- for the performance of such service. It is confidently suhmitted that the objects in vic'.v ore so identified with the general interest and prosperity of the empire, as to deserve and secure the support of the Imjierial Government and the Uritish public. Shareholders will be protected by charter of incorporation from all responsibility beyond the amount of shares they may hold in the company's stock. The amount of capital will be cidled in by ]iayments not exceeding 4/. per share, at inter- vals of not less than three months. Copies of prospectus, with dcbiiled estimates, may ba obtained, and ajiplication for shares made, accoraing to the annexed form, at the company's temporary oflice, 11, Leadei.hall-strect; or at the offices of the brokers, Messrs. Barnett and Kllis, 11, Birchiii-lanc ; Henry 'fudor & Son, 29, Thrcadnccdle-street, London; or of Alessrs. D. and J. B. Neilson, Liverpool. Form of Application for Shares. To the Provisional Comniitfce of the London, Liverpool, and North American Screw Steam Ship Company. Gentlemen, I request you will allot to me shares, of 20/. each, in the above undertaking; and I agree to accept the same, or any less number which may be allotted to me, and to sign the necessary deeds, and to pay, when required, the deposits and calls, or in the event of my failing to do so, I agrer> that the shares allotted to me, with the deposits and calls paid thereon, shall be forfeited to the use of the company. Dated the day of 185 .Nam's in full, Trade or profession, Address, Name and address of reference, Xft NORTH AMF.ItK AN SC'UKW SIFAM SUll' ( OMP.XNY. i< — No. IH. — To till! (.'oiimiitfw of II r Miijc sty's I'rivy I oiintil a|i|)i'iiitr(l t.n tlir ^•llll^i(|(•^lriou of niatti'i'* n latiiiii to Trailf iiml F'on iy:ii Pliiiitation, 'J lu' Mt'iiioriui of llic iiimIi Tsi^iicil Slii|)iiwiii'r« nf the I'mt ot J./iirfuxi/, i n^.i'^i il ill till' TnxU- lirt\M'< a tin' ('nitfij Kiii^''<)ni iiiitl ( anail.i, SIlOWClll, That an appiicaiion lias Ix-fii rereiitlv iiiadf • i, ml \* now tiinltr the con-i- lieratiuii of your liiiiKiiirabii- Moanl, for a cliii. . t to " Loinlnn ami Li>rr|ii)ol itiid North Anii'ricaii Scri'W Steam Ship ( 'i)ni|iaiiy. ' fornii'd lor ilif piir|M>M' of carr\iiig imsstii^crs ami ;;ooiU to ami fioiii ports in the Uiiitcd Kingdom, and ports in Canada, ami otlur ports of ISritish Noitii America and the Unittnl States. That sneli applicatiun of the said coni|(any is Wn ;i special cliarter liiiiitiiiu the liability of the slian holders. That your memorialists respiM-tfiilly snhinit to voiir limiourable lioaid that the graritiiin' of siieli a eharter wouhl l)e an aet ol tri'eat iiijusiice to \oiir memorialists and other shipowneis engaged in the like trade. That yonr memorialists have invested a larp- capital in liritisii >-liippin(j[ engaged in the Canada trade, and are liable to tlie f il amonnt of tlieir imli\idual property to make good their debts, engagement'", and responsibilities as such shipowners. riiat the ert'ect of graiitiiij; special privileges, as resjiects limiteil liability, to the aboyo company, v>ould be to liriiig into une(|ual eompditioii with your memorialists a large amount of capital, without sulyeciiiig the propriet m- of such capital to those risliiitr iiitiTtsts of tlio kiiipdoii", iio» only as iudividuiils |)« rsoiially coiinucti'd, but iis ngards also the |)H)!.|)i lity of ihf iity of (ila-'gow and iiitTcantili- iiitensts rests, both sailing ami steaming, connected with the same ports, are under nidimited responsibility, and with capital invested to nn atnount com- ])arid with which the pro{)osed ca|)ital of the aforesaid company is insignificant. That your nicniorialists an; sutisfird that private companies will sufficiently ])ronmte navigation and iuterconrse to all parts of the world without .such a ))rivilege, in accordance with which every year is increasing the shipping of the kingdom, and every building yard on the River Clyde where shipbuilding is most oi, and North AnuricBn .Smw Steam Ship Company (provi-ionaily rc^iistireil) for thi- j;rniit of n charter of inc'ir|K)ra- tion, tinder tlu' proviHiotis* of the Act 1 \'iet. c. 73, wiiicli application lia^ heen referred hy Her Majesty to your I.ord>hips ; and thiy liavt- also heard that similar applications have heen, or are aliont to he, made hy other compuiiie>. That the nu'morialists nnderxtand timt this company liavo applieil fur a limi- tation of the responsihility of the shnreholdirs comixisinf; the company al»oiif to he constitnted. That vour momoriulists view with alarm the concession of the privilc^c^ now sought f»y this company, which, if granted, will prove, in the opinion of the memoriaib'ts, highly detrimental and injnrii>ns lo the pnhlic, and more especi- ally to the existing mercantile and shipping interests of the country. 'riiat there arc no grounds of a i)nlilie nature to entitle this company to trade on such terms, wliieh would place at so great a disadvantage other parties engaged in similar traflie, where immense capital is invested under an unlimited resj)onsihility. Vour memorialists therefore resiactftiliy, hut earnestly, pray your Lordships to refuse the application of the screw steam sliip company aloresaid lor a charter of incorporation on the ahove terms, or of any other company or companies who may apply for a similar privilege. And your memorialists will ever pray. Signed, in our name and by our appointment, and the common seal of the Burgh is hereto ajipended, at Port Glasgow, the 2.")th «lay of November 1852, by Andrew Hair, Acting Chief Magistrate. [Left by a deputation.] — No. 21.— To the Right Honourable the Lords of the Committee of Privy Council for Trade and Plantations. The Memorial of tiie undersigned Merchants and others of Greenock, interested in the Trade between this Country and Newfoundland, Showeth, That communication by steam has, of late years, been opened between Eng- land, and almost every part of the world, including the United States, and con- tiguous to the colony with which your memorialists are connected. That such communication has not yet been extended either to Canada or Newfoundland, and the interests of those colonies, and of your memorialists, are considerably retarded by having to depend entirely on the slow and uncertain voyages of sailing ships, wiiile the neighbouring states enjoy the advantage of receiving their supplies from Europe by steam vessels with rapidity and regu- larity. That your memorialists are convinced that the trade between this country, Newfoundland, and Canada would be materially benefited and increased by the establishment of direct steam communication. ^ That your memorialists are of opinion that such a communication will not be i Sestablished. unless by a chartered company, owing to the large amount of capital i I required for the purpose, and the reluctance of parties lo become shareholders in j| » 730. c 3 ocean s x^^ W ;J a: I'MiiUS KKLATIN*. !«) THK LONU<»N, LlVEUI»0()U AND oiTiiii Hl.am .•<.tn|.;irii.., iml.« jli.ir li;il.ility i- liiiii««'Lrniiiool, iukI Ni)rth Aiiutum'ii Sir.w St.-un Sluji l'<»m|mriy \mt\H>'*'- v> i'i»iaMi*li ii line of »tenm VfsH. U lM-tw.MH l.|V(r|i(»..l, NtwIoiiiiillaiHl, uikI ('un;i.lii. ami liavr jMaifioind Her Majr.ty lin;raiit ilnin a U'>y,,| clmrt.T <.t iiicnr|ir'iuli»tt- l..li«-v.' tlif intcrcsim of tliov two important colonies wai'il li.- iiial.Tiallv |.r<)iii..t.'.l In tli.' uiant <>\ hii, li cln.itrr ..f incoijHJration. \our nn'iiioriali!*!!* tlii-n lun; "pray that your liortl^hip'* will !».• pleased U> riToinm.iul tli.il «iicli rliartne. Williamson k CjlaAford, aulici- tofti. Ma('plii'iw)n & Co. AhxaiiiltT Anderson. \\ illium Aluxaudcr Campbell. John li. (.'armicliuel. Hoht. Dunlop. Colin .M'Millan. John Clark 6c Son. Holiirt Fnllartoa. Kohert Blair. John Stewart. Duncan llovle. [i iimilar answer to the preceding ones retnrned.] — No. 22. — To the Lords (^nmmittee of Her Majestv's most ildiionralde Privy Council for Trade and Plantations. The .Memorial of the iindorsigiied Merchants and others of Manchester, interested in the Trade between this Country and Canada and Newfoundland, Showelh, That communication iiy steam has of late years been opened between Eng- land and almost every part of the world, including the United States, which are immediately contigiimis to the colonies with which your memorialists are connected. That such comniunicsition \\\^ not yet been extended to either Canada or Newfoundlantl, and that the jire'<"si of t'l )se colo lies, and of your memorialists, are seriously injured by having to depend entiiely on the slow and imcertaia voyages of sailing ships, w'lil^ the iieighbouring States enjoy the advantage of receiving their supplies from Eur )^jc with rapidity and regularity by steam vessels. That many «tf your memorialists' correspondents, resident in Canada, have recently gone to the United States to purchase goods, which they formerly imported from England, to the manifest disadvantage of the trade of this country. That attempts have been made to establish a direct steam communication between this country and Canada without success, and your memorialists are of opinion that such a communication will not be established unless Ijy a chartered company, on account of the large amount of capital required for the purpose, and the reluctance of parties to become shareholders in ocean steam companies, unless their liability is limited, or a prospect of a return is insured on the capital invested from Government contracts. That t%k NOHTii AMFnirxN srnf'w stfam srifp (hmpany j3 Thnt jrour iMi-iiinriiiliM» hiivc Jifiml that |mrlii« ri«||iii|; |||i'm»«-lvtii " Ihc Lomliiii, l.ivt'riHMil. unil North AnirrirHii Sinw Sn un SJiip Innni.iiis ." pro. ptrW to fMtHlilittll a lllii of Hli'illM M'-x'U III tWfCM Ll\< rjiiiol. New t'oiiliilhiil i;rnnt tlirin a Ho' »l > liirfi-r of incorporation, ami tliai tli< ir | ' litioii ha.t In'i ti rcfi'md to \oiir I.ori1*lii|i<. Thm \our nii'iMorialiMH Ixlicvf that tlie intcrrKtii ot' th<>M* two iiii|M>rtaiit cuh)ni< ft Wdiilil ill' lii.itiTiiillv lirotiiotirl by tin- p;raii; of wtM-li fhiil'tir III' iiiror|K>- nttion. And voiir inmi'i ialmtH r(-»|u'( tl'nlK pray tlial ymir i^iror. Son, k Co. II. lioult^uoitli. Tiioinas Bazlcy. Hu>;li Sliaw. W. M'Conn. I. \\. Ui^bv .Murray. Cralt« Hi Stull. Ciillt nik'r Inii. Dud^shi'ii. iJut.iy & Co. John Miuin &, Co. Munchfstcr, 1» Novcinbcr 1852. S. Mtiil W. U atts & Co. .Mujili.in, l.ii'f, \ Cm. Killy \ (iilliniinil. .Iidiri anil Nalh. I'liilip- &c Co. Janifs \l'l..iii'n k Ni'pbr.N". t iioiy;. I'aiilkni-r &. ('«>. Finiiii', Hiotlii r», Ai Co. Wrinjii, Paiiw, St ( "o. .lainiM Brown, Son. &. Co. W. Wail (iroiiihowt k lr\iiijr. Uiilii'it (i.irdiiHT. I'ortal Itroadhnrst l.cc. KIkaiiali Arinita^r k Sons. Iloii'iickH, JuckMin, & Co. .Scliroali's k ('hainlu>rlin. Pro P. N.villi, (ifo. Diminor. !J. I.ubiit. Joliii IMniiimi (iiinidy. Sum. Miiult!'. Jh8. ( arlloii Walker k Co. [A similiir answer to tin- preceding ones r"turned.] No. 23. To the Right Honourable the lords of (lie Committee of Privy Council for Trade aud PluntatioDii. The .Memorial of the umursignnl Merchants and others of Clangow, interested in the Trade between this Country aud Canada and Newfoundhind, Showeth, That conimunieution h\ ste;ini ' of hite vears been opened l)etween Eiif^land and ahuost every pan ot tlie worhi. iiicludini; the United States, immediately contiguous to the cohmies with "hicii your lemoriaiists are connected. That such communication lias moI jt! een oxtiiuled eillit r to Canaila or Newfoundland, and the interests ot those colonies and of your invmoiialists are considerably retarded by iiaving to depend entirely on the flow and uncertain voyages of sailing ships, while the neighbouring States enjoy the advantage of receiving their supplies from Kurope by steam vessels with rapidity and regularity. That your memorialists are convinced that the trade betwi en this country, Newfoundland, and Canada would be materially benefited and inenised by the establishment of direct steam comniunicatio.i. That your memorialists are of opinion that such a communication will not be established unless by a chartered company, owing to the large amount of capital required for the purpose, and the reluctance of parlies to become shareholders 730. c 4 in -l/> m : \i J4 PAI'ERS HELATIN(. TO THK LONDON, LIVEIIPOOL, AND in (KCiiii >ti mil coiiipanio, unifies their liability is limited, th a line of" hteain vessels lietween Liverpool, Newfoundland, and t'aniida, and have petitioned Her Majesty to j^raiit them a Royal eiiarter of incoriioralion, and that their petition has been velerre«l to your I.ordshijis. 'I'liaf \oiir ineniorialisls |jelie\e the interests of tlio-^e two important colonies would lie materially promoted hy the ^rant of such charter of incorporation. Yjiii memorialists therefore pray that your Lordnhijis will he pleased to recommend that such ehartir may he granted aecordinow. 10 November 1852. Arthur k Fraser. Wingato & Fleming. James Teiiipleton & Co. Robert Stewart & Co. Nelsons & Co. James Scott, 23, Iv\ehangc- square, James Black & Co. Charles Turner&Co., St. Rollox. M illiam Mills. Reid & Wliiteman. J. H. Paterson k Co. Rainy, Kno,\, k Co. J. Robertson & Co. Roht. .Johnston, Oakhank Fac- tory. Archd. M'Xair. James Laurie & Co. William Muir. Craft k Stell. Kayc, Fiudiay, k Co. James Broom & Co. Peter W. Clark. Shaw, Turnb.ill, & Co. John and James Turner, p. p., Wm. T. An Id & Buckauan. James M'Lean & Co. [A similar answer to tlic preceding ones returned.] — No. 24. — To the RiglU Honourable the Lords of the Privy Council for Trade. The Memorial of the Committee of Merchants of the City of Corh, Showeth, 'IiiAT your memorialists are apprised that a company, called " The London, Liverpool, and North American Screw Steam Ship Company," liave applied to your Lordsln'ps for a Royal charter of incorporation. '1 hat your memorialists are informed that the company intend to run the vessels from London, Liverpool. Belfast, and (^ucenstowu, to Newfoundland and Canada, as well as to the United States. That no direct coniinunication by steam vessels exists between Ireland and Anieviea. Tiiat your memorialists consider such a means of intercourse would be of great advantage to this country, both with reference to its commerce and the vast oinigration of the people. That 1%4 NOHTII AMKUU AN SCRKW sTKAM SHIP COMPANY. 2% That vdiir Mii'iiiiiri;ili-t- an- of (i)iiiii()ii ili;it a cliartiTi'il riiin|iaiiy. witli lurtrc ca|)ilal, iii the imly mmlf liv wliic'i >i(aiM m -scls of fhr ri(|iiir( d power will lio aHonlt'ii til this (•oinitrv . That till' Mi|ii riinity in -|i(f(l. ctitMiiily nf 'an iviil, accdimiiodatioii. anil iniiiroviil sanitary arraiij.';! ni- n- of .'team ov. r -ailini; \. ->tU, iitr..nl incalriilalilc advaii- taii landimr, to putsuf tlnir aviiiMtiiiii* : all this.' -aw iiialti'i- cif impDitancc liiat caniuit Ik- ovrrratL'i« thi n lure pray \oiir Lmil-iiips toativisi! Hit Majcstv to [rrant a l{iiy;d chaMor to rhi^ (-ts have \nvu infornu tl lliar an ap|)lieiition has liccn made lo your l.onlsliips by a eonipany ealltd •■The London, Liverpool, and North American Screw Steam Ship Company," for a Royal charter of iiu-or- poration. Tliut the said company |)ropi;se to sail steamers frcfpiently and at .stated periods, between Liveipnol and Caiiad.i and Newfoundland, for which purpose a number of steam vessels and a hirjic capital will be reipiired. That your memorialists are satisfied that the establishment of this line of steam vessels will be the means of increasing the Irallic with this country, and materially benefit the North .American colonies. That your memorialists believe tiiat tiie nece^sarv capital will not be sub- scribed unless a charter of incorporation be granted, and that such grant of cliarter of incorjjoration to this com|)any will not interfere with private enter- prise, as no individuals will undertake to carry out the objects of the com|)any without a large grant from Government. Your memorialists therefore humlily pray tliat your Lordships will be pleased to advise Her Maje^ty to grant her Royal charter of incorporation to the said company, under such conditions as to your Lord>hip^ may seem right. (signed) T. S. Molh r & Ehrenmarting. .lacol) Behrens. I'iUianui'l & Sons, Incressais. .1 I', pro Frank & Co., .Ino. Khig. Per George T. Meyer, William, Ksq. P. p. A. l». H. Nathan, J. Philippe. G. E. Gishol. Per Leocehuster, B. & €0. Aders, Prever, & Co. Per Kessler & Co. T. P. Neville. W. IL Kelhorn. Per Uenss, King, & Co. NYm. F'uls&Co. Rennie, Tellev, &Co. McKean, TelJey, &. Co. Craven & Hand, P. P. p. Heyuianu & Alexander, I). Newman. .1. C. Eikhard, junior, & Co. P. sig. C. Houreyard & Co. P. p. S. L. Behrens & Co., J. A. Muir. S. Lowesthall. 35* \t 1.^ [A similar answer to the preced ng ones was relumed.] 730. D — No. 26. — *1^'\ K r' 26 PAPERS RKL\TlN(i TO THK LONDON, LIVKRPOOL, AND - Nt iu. — Mcain MM|>ii«nir> A'^-dciatiiiii, Orticf.s. 137, l^-aiU nliall-iitrcct, l.oiid 30 Novciiilicr 1h;.2. (Jii, 1 \M (lincffd l)v till' coiiiinitti (■ of this association to adiln—; you in nTiTciice to ill! a|,|)licaiioM for a cliarlir of iiicoiiioralioii, wliicli is now Ii.miim; made to flic I(|iarlni(nt over wliidi yon jinsiilr, l.y the liomloii, [.ivcipool. and North -\i ni man >cri\v Stc Ship Coniiiaiiv II; tlic I Ik n a likr apidication "a- niadr h\ tin; Nortli of ICiiropi- (dnipaiiy loiioiir r Md )iiiiitni": to von II till' coii((s>ion (.tliiiiit(d lialiility to -icaui coiniianii s, cxct |it in s|ii ri;il coininitto ire nnwillni;; to tn ^j)as^ njion yi n detail tile several olijeetions uliieli lie to he icy II hv ajJi'n lati n- tl deem it .siilht irilt lirioflv to allude to the iiioMnds niion wliicli such a |iri\ilem: ha-i hitherto l)(cn eijmted, and to the eireninstance (it'the coiii|iany now apjdyinij lor It. With re- eolicession |ilir|)Ose peel U> the case> ill \\hicii a limited lialiilitv has :n en conferred, th lieeii niaile on [inhlie ^jironnds alone, eitiur for sunie natinnal ich, lor e.\aiii|dc, as improved postal coinniunication, or foi- some iniiMjrlant toniiriercial ohjcct, luiattainahlc Ity iiiiprolectc'' private enterprise ; and not even in those cases, uIlle^s where a laif^e proportion of the ciipital reijiiircd iiad I n previously i)iud ii|t. On none of tlioe grounds, it is submitted, can the London, Liverpool, and North American Company rest llieir application for a charter. There is nothing of a iintional i haracter in their 'iiitleitakinn- ; notliiii<>- in it. \ iewcd coinniercially, of nnusnal niagnitiule, novelty, or ha/ar.l ; while no results are eoiiteniplated which have not already hcen accomplished hy companies or individuals who.se liahility is unlimited, and the whole of wliose property is einharked in their res])ecli\e ditcrprises, and to whom, conse(|uently, a charter would he valueless for i!;;' purpose for which it is sought hy the present a[)plieants, namely, as a means of raisinj;' their rcfpiired capital. The circumstance oi their jiroposiug to atlord a more frequent aiid I'xptditious means of intercourse with Canada, does not make their case an exceptional one, as, now that the capahilities of screw steamers art; more fully ascertained, parties will be readily found who will b(; dis- posed, without the indncenient of a limited liatiility, to extmd the advantages of that mode of communication to our Anu^rican colonies. I'or these reason.s it is respectfully submitted that the application should not be granted. The subject i.s one of the deepest importance to the shipping iutcre>t, and is engaging the anxious attention of the many companies that form this association In laying their views before you, I am further directed to state, that the com- mittee have been requested to ask the favour of an interview, to enable their constituents to submit their opinions to you at greater length ; but in tliis sugges- tion the committee have not aequiescid, as they are unwilling to trespass upon your much occupied time ; an«l having on a previous occasion communicated their objections in detnil, they are induced to believe that a second interview will not be necessary. I have, &c. (signed) W. C. Morgan. The Right Honourable .1. W. Henh y, m.p,, &c. &c. &e. [A similar answer to the preceding ones returnotl. — No. 27. — To the Right Honourable the Lords of the Committee of Privy Council for Trade and Plantations. The Memorial of .Merchants, Bankers, Professional Men, Tri;der<, ami others, id" the Port of Plymoul/i, Showeth, That your nieniorKilisfs are intormed an application has been made to your Lordships by a company called '■ Tlie London, Liver|)ool, and Xvrth American Scn.w Steam Ship Company '' for a lloval charter of incorporation. That •Jbii NORTH AMKRU \N SCIIKW STI.AM SHIP fJXn'ANY. 27 Tliat yiiiir iiinrioriali-t- mulcr-tatiil it i» the intention of tlir «;ii(l (■oiiij);iiiy lo run «tt'iin> vc!'s»'l- from l>)iulou and Livtip(M)l to Ncwfounnliunl uiid ('.in;;'!a, as well as lo tlif I'liitril States, a |M>rli()n of tliein lUiikiiiu: this jilai-c ili.ir final port of (l('|)artiirr. That thtTc is at pri^.tit no (iii-cct steam ritnnimuication lu'twccii tlii> coniitrv and ihini i'^ aiiOM iia IIH'il. til '1 lial sikIi a coiinnniiicatioii would materially advantc the iiitcriv-t^ of tlic^c colonies, and ha« lieen tor son.e years past aiixio'islv desired hv the eoloiiial (io\eiiinuiits Will a- hv the nierciiiitile int.erest> there ami at hoim That voiir memorialists, heinn' persons interested iit the increase of the com- merce of this country with her dependencies, and fspccialiv desirou- of «eeiiiu an improNcd system of cummiinication with the North American colonies, are anxious that tin; jiroprietors of sii;;;ii vessels should he eiiconraucd to employ them ill that trade, which they understand they have declined doin;^-, hccausc thev helieve the profits Mould not he so lar^;c as individuals expect for the investment of csipital in sncli an enterprise. 'Ihat your memorialist* are convinced the i^reat henetits of steam eoinmu- nieation will not he extended to the North Anieriean coloines for many years to come, unless t!iiou<;h the instriiinentality sels, that fieiiuently make very protracted voyages, diirin"' which great misery is sutlered, with loss of many viiliiablc lives, wiiiidi will be entirely prev ited to the extent that accommodation may he afiorded by steam. That with the rapidly increasing demand for emigration, the want of lu'ire efhcient means for the safe and sjiecdy tran^il (d' endgranis is becoming daily a more nr-'cnt and pressing demand, especially as tht; desire for emigration is spieadiiiii in an n|)ward direction amongst the middht classes of society, who naturally look for the more certain means of transit, which steam ve--els alone can give, and which can only he provided in adei|uate number? hy the appli(a- tion of tlie funds of influential chartered companies. Your memorialists tlicrefore pray that your Lordships will he pleased to advise Her Majesty to grant a lloyal cluirter of incorporation to such parlies as may he willinti' to extend the advantages of steam communication to Canada and New- foundTaiid, on such conditions as your Lordships may deem expedient. And your mciuorialists will ever pray, &c. (si'i-ned) Harris, IJulteel, &. Co., bankers, Plymouth. Joseph Silver, manager of the National Provincial Dank, Plymouth. W. U. Hawker, merchant. Charles T. Ueeves, solicitor. David Deny, banker, Plymouth. H. M. Gibsou, Mayor of Plymouth. Tlios. Woolcombc, Chairmau South Devon Railway Company. George Dansey, surgeon, Devonport. Hendle 5c Harris, wine-merchauts, Plymouth. Richard Hicks. Stratton J. Coles, surgeon dentist, Plymouth. Seaman & Lansdown, general drapers, &c. T. M. Evans, merchatit, Plymouth. ,}. G. Elsw'jrthy, solicitor. Croker, Brothers, auctioneers, &c. Whiteh)rd, tieunett, & Tueker, solicitors. ? ■ ■'^■■1 -30. O 3 (continued) a8 PAPERS RELATI\(. 10 Till: LONDON, LlVKKI'OOL, AND .1 H. Miiv. oiitfittiT. Win. Sli.'i.lunnl & S<.n, gim't-rs aii.l provision dcaiprs. Will. Adiiinf, tiiilor ami onttitu^r. Ut. Wliitf St.v.ii«, jiliipowiicr. J<»s(|)li U ills, stliipowiicr iiiid iirovi-iion tiiorchunt. i<< LidMiiiM', iiivvs|)ii|)(T proprKto W. IliKlniorc. (Jlolic lliifcl, Plymoutli. M. I". I'.iii-dlfV, I'liiiia and ^l^iss dealer 'I llOIICI M. Viciir, clieiiiist and drimt^ist. Skardiin & Sciii auttidiiiiis, I'lvinuutli. I'raiici!* \ Cliiilib, Loiiiniercial Hotel, I'lyinoiuli. t tilt " IMviiiuiitli Journal. Isaac LatiiniT, jUdpiietor o Hadl'ord ic Stutlid, :il, Bedt'ord-ftreet. S. C I'aiklioiii'e. 1«, 17, and IH, Ijedloid-striet. Tl .]. d cliinu dealer. loiiias .lanis, :n,(jeoi«ie-«lreet,}rla!-s anil cl (', W !iiiii|dt -i-lieei. 1). Tlmnia> & ( o., 17, Bcdloid-f-lieet. James Laid, 18, (i»'ory;e-streef. Antlioiiv llarvie, 34, Soiithsidi'-street. J. n. H()\M-, jjookselier. it, Wliimide-slreet. W. Spei rman, draper, Wldinple-street. K. I'ilder, pciillemaii, Estover Ilou.se. Holit. Clark, aiieation lia-< Keen made to your Lui'd>hii>s liy a ('oni|iany callid " Tlie London, Li^er|lOlll, and North American Screw Steam Ship l'iiinp:iny " for a lloval i hartcr of incor|)o- ratioii. That your memorialist* under.-taml that during; tlie tirst \eui- of tiie estalilish- iiu'iit of the company it is the intention of the ^aid couIiKuiv to run a sti unuT once (!Very month hi tween ljver|)ool and .Mnnirral or (^iiel)ic, tor seven moufiis of the year, and i.)et\Vicu Liverpool and I'ortlanil, whieh i> connected with Canada hy railway, once a month, for the remainiun five moiitli- of tiu' year ; ami that duriii}:; the in xt six years of the cstMldi, :ind once a montii to Portlaml dnrinj:- the winter monilis. That there is at present no direct steam commiinicaliou whatever luMween Great liiitaiii and the liritish colonics of Canada and Newfoundland, North America, am! the steam communication hrtwi en (ireat hritain ami the I'nited States is (pi;ti; insufficient for the increa-in;^- traffic in i:()0'is and liie conve\ance of emigrants; the only direct steam conimnnication hetwceii those countries (with the exception of three steamers bcloiiiiinff to individuals, which rnii at irregular intervals,) Ixjing kept up by two companies, called the Cnnard Com- pany, and the Collins Company, "ho do not convey euii.'rants, and wiio receive from their respective (.loveriimcnts very large animal grants. That to enable the public tfi enjoy tlic full benelits of steam eoinnuinicatioii, it is r((|uisite that tlu! vessels should sail freipicntly, and at stated iiite'vals, and for this purpose a numb, r of steam vessels and a large capital is rcpiired. That your memorialists have \twn informed ti at the said company will iei|uire the sum of (JOi), 000 /. to carry out tin- objects which it coiti mplates. and your memorialists arc satisfied that this anioiiMt cannot lie raisi'd without a charter of incorporation, as it is obvious that the amount retpiircd is much too large a sum for jirivate inti'riirise, and it is notorious in the conimer( ial w.rld that men of large fortunes « ill not sviljeet themselves to unlimited liabilitx b,' emli.irk- ing in joint-stock undert:ikiiigs of inagnitinh; with other shareinldcr-, whose names are unknown to them, and who have a voice in the in iiiaiicmeut ot the undertaking. Your memorialists submit that to refuse a charter of incorporation, with limited liability, to the proposed compiiiiy, will in all probability pn-vent the outlay of a very huge .■iim of money, (silculatcd to produce the greatest beiielit to the North American colonists, and to prevent them IVoiii enjoying for a long period the benefits to be ilerivcd trom direct steam eoinmuniratioii with Great liritain, and will at the same time throw a considerable portion ot the passenger traffic of such colonics into the snosidised line of a foreign po^tr. And your memorialists lastly submit, that a grant of a charter of incorporation to the said company will not interfere with private enterprise, as no individuals will be found to undertake ihe objects of the conipiiny without a huge (jiovern- nicnt grant. Your memorialists therefore humbly pray that your Lortlships will be pljased to advise Her Majesty to grant Her Royal charter of iucorjioration to the said company, under such conditions as to your Lordships may seem right. 730. Baile) , Brothers, &, Co. Job, Brothers. Ridhy, Son, & Co. \V. and li. Thomas Gardiner, L Co. Hagwou, V. M. William Lev\is & Sons. U3 Charles U. Taylor. Uavid Stuart & Co. Still, Couborough & Still. Barnet, Brotlnns. Niel Waterhouse & Sons. Dennistoun, Mitchell, & Co. D. Buchanan, Sons, & Sheppard. [cmitinurd) I r- iV . 30 PAI'KIIS UEI.ATINd TO TIIK I.ONr)ON, I.IVKRI'OOL. AM) S, Miililltli.ii & Sons. I'liflps, .I111111-, \. (.'(I. W . L. .M\ri>. Son, Sc Co. John II. (Jni nc & Son. (Jliii>. Mi'irir, .S:trtiiiijf, KlttcliL-r, f. |». .Inlin :ili(i 'llion. .IdliiiNoii Jno. IJurhoiii & t'o. (.'iiiii|ilMli, AriKitt, &; {'(). Hobt. (,'iK Immii. W . T.nlMt & S(.iis. .All xaiiiliT Diiriiiiiv Ai (■() 'I'Iki. Williaiii I'lifl'ii k Co. I'cn^M'iiii. IMluiis, ii ( "o. I', pill. /\lcx;m(li r Allan &. Co. .liMi. Smart. Hciirx MiMnc N: Co. I). biT. H. .Ncilsi.n, I'cicr Marrow &, Vo. &Co. .lulin S. D.ltoll 'ic Co. Uiili;.m>. I'aik. 4i Co. .Sti'W.iit, Kerr, St Co. (,'. I{()t)( 1■^^UII. M'. William Fry &. .Son-. Mnyii iiiyni . Jno. ^: Nil Harnett. David I'ow.ll. f.\ .-iinilar answer to tlic precediiij; ones returned.] I 1 I li - No. -29. — Sir, Burlinp;tv)n Hotel, 2 December 1852. At tiio interview we bad with yon at the Hoard of Trade you expressed a jireat desire that, the communication with Quebec, continiplatod by the Canadian Ciovernnuiit, should be carried out. I readily admit that fheri! are i^ood reasons why it .sliouid he done; I brought the subject under the notice of the Government myself some limt! aj^o ; I was pleased to hear yon advocate it. 1 do not join with those who wish to suppress a measure of |)tiblic utility because it m;stnil»ly, that \\v liavi- Iroin ;i,"),on(i tn 4n,t)(i(» you in thi' prt'Sinci' r ot' money, that would also ix' ii'o|iai'disi'd and injuri'd by \(.ur urantin-^ tiii> cliartir. As I have no iiason to rx|ifi:i tiiai an asscirinu of mine, nnsuii|iortcii, will In: reet'ivcd hy yon, 1 >hall send yun a dilailcd account of each steam Mliiji, h'T name, t(jnna;4i,' and iioise jiower, in verilicalion of my stat'inent. We expt'cl, and ari" pifjtarcd to meet (air coinpctitinn. Imt i\e are tn^t ]ire|iar( capital in the lace oi^iich a company. 1 remain, ice. The Uiu'lit Ilononrahlc .F. W. Henley, I'rcsidcnt, Hoard of Trade, (-i'j:ni'd; .V. (iiiiard. 1 i — No. :i(). Sir, Aiisliii Friars, 4 December IS.'ii2. TiiK followinj;' remarks arc submitted to yon, pnrsnaut to your reipicst, tor the purpose of showing that the objects of the London, Liverpool and North American Screw Steam Ship Comiiany, as disclosed in the prospectus herewith sent, will, in the opinion of the provisional committee of that company, be defeated by the limitation of its operations to the I'i'.ited Kingdom and the British North American colonies, and excliidiny the ports of the L'nited States. 1. The scheme, as tlisdoscd by the prospectus, shows the profitabie employ meat of 10 iron screw steamers, each having a nieasun.'inent of from 1,80U to U.OOO tons, between the port of London, the ports of British North Annrica, and of the United States, and between the port of Li\ erpool and tin; same Traiis.itlantic ports. 2. The trade between tlie United Kingdom and Canada and Newfoundland will not, at present, support more than two steamers per month, starting alter- nately from London and Liveqjool. To jierlbrm this service alone, three steamers would be retpiired at London, and the like number at Liverpool ; but if oiu! steamer per month were also sent from each ])ort (as proposed by the provisional committee;), five steamers at London, and five at Liverpool, would perform the joint service e(|ually. To perform the service for Canada and Newfoniiuland alone, an establishment must be kept up at London, and another at Liverpool, the ex|)ense of which would be too great in projiortion to the work these esta- blishments would have to perform. The same establishments would provide for the vessels to New York, as well as to Caniida and Ncwfoundlaml, without any increase to their cost. Fiirtliermorc, it is to he borne in mind that the navigation of the St. Lawrence is generally clost^d dining five months of the year, and unless the company hiis the power of sending their vessels to ports south of the St. Lawicnce (and especially during the winter months), it woiilu be iui|)ossilde to run tlicni to profit. 3. The capital iei[uired for the restricted operations of the company to Can.ida an . Newfoundland wouhl be only U00,000 ^., which is understood to be less than the sum for which the Board of Trade think it advisable to grant cliartcrs of ^jo. u 4 incorporation I I I : f '■ 'si. I* ' 1 1^1 o yj I'AI'KHS KKI ATIN(i TO IHK l.oNDON. l.IVEUIMiDl., ANIJ iricfpiiKiriiiu.il; wliiifii- llic |)r()s|). tins i^-iitd to tlif public, ami under which ii|i|>li(atioii> for !.harci- liuvc hern niailc, hxi- llie inininnini capit.il at flOO.OOO/., lio.M whiiii il i- not comiii tii!( to the ci iiitiic now Ui ri-cidr. I 'III, II 1, net at |irr.-, lit aiiv st< iin coin'; uiiicatioii littwccn l.indoii and N- \N York, ritli. r Inr jjond-, |)as>ciip i-, or i'iiii;;rant-, and tlic s-tcann'is lictwifii I.ivi r|,ool and Nrw York o rajiidly every Vear. that it will readily employ the >liips proposed hy tliis eoinpuny to he "|)ia<'ed on the line, without di-plaein^ u single ton of shijipinf;, propelled < ither li\ Memn or sail, that is at pi< rent einplo\ed hetwtcn those ports. NV(' have, ice. T<, .lames Uootli, Ks(|. (signed) iVade.son ^- Malleson. Secretary to the Hoard of 1 rade, ■ Wiiitehall. — No. ai. — P Sir, Hurlin'2. i\ iiiy letter to ynii, dated the 2d instant. I stated from memory tlie amount of tonnage of steam ships owiiid by ns. I iio.v enelost! yen a detailed account, containing the name, toinia<;e, and horse power of each vessel, aiuonntinjj to »4,'l-n tons and 10,-:n horses' lower. I have just been infoinied that it was stated to yt u by the parlies applying for this charter, that our liability is limited to onr respective shares by the law of Scotlainl. The objict of this stalenuiit is very plain, but it is (juite incorrect: wo ale liable, jointly and severally, tor the whole aniMint of our eiijia^jements to the ,..\tent of oiii- iiidi\idiial pioperty ; we have no sneli protection. TlieM' pai'fie- al-o statid to you, that they traced the opposition to the }>'ranting of this charter, in e\ei'v instance, to iiie ; this you must be aware is incorrect, as you h ■d il- fr Have receive.i nieiiiorial.-- trom the great sliip|)ing interests in every part -.{ the kingdom; they have also ve(|iusled their re|)resentativi's to wait on yoii to protest against this iin'asure. I lia\c not been out of London, and do assure you that I have not written or ajiplii'd to \v:\ of thest- paities. I have receiv((l coniinuiiications, hut not in reiiiy to aiiv solicitation on my part; I relied upon the justice of my own repre- ss, unions to yon. 1 could not believe that the CJovernment would do so great an act of injustice to nic, and to the yvliole shi|)ping interest of the country, tv) favour these projectors. I have hentofore in my eoiiinuinicitions with you refrained bom making any personal observations resjecting the applicants for this charter, but as they liave taken liberties with me, ai d have made mis-statements cakula'.ed to deceive you, witn the object of advancing their own interests, I havi; now no hesitation in saying that the 15 directors to t lis project, embracing (as set forth in their prosjieclus) the whole trade between Great Britain and North America, do not own collectively l-lOtli ])artof the amount of shipping owned by Mr. Gilmonr alone, who slated to you that he considered the granting of this charter as destructive to his interest. The shipowners throughout the kingdom have expressed to you the f-ame sentiments in their petitions ; they did not wait for me to solicit them ; they were quite alivc lo the injury iliis measure would do them. 1 may fiirthisr add iliat these projectors are now soliciting signatures in diH'erent parts of the kingdom in support oi' th>ii application ; \\ comes therefore with bad arace from them to accuse me of doing that which they are doing, but which I have not done. I cannot 2V ^OUTH AMERICAN SCUKW STKAM SHIP COMP.WV. 13 I ciinnot liriii^ myscll" to lulifvr tliat \(tii will ^;raiil tliis . in tin- tuiiuity ami injure tlu-ir projurty. I have shown you that tlio Canada part of thi^ ronrcrn can Ik' ;ic(i>ui|ili-li( <| by private means, and that tlir Ncwfountlland pari is al-o w iihin the r> ach of j)rival«' capital ; tiiesc undi rtakinfjs can In' acc()ni|ili-hcil wifii I .-•. ri-k ol hos hy individuals than liy '^rcat companies. Thrcf or four, or more, houM>. may jdin tojit'tlicr and have tht ir nsp('cti\c shares expressed on the ship's rry ister; there is no ditttcuify in the niattir; it is (juitr a coniinou way oi Ownin.; ship-, I have stated to you that my partners and I have iip\\artl> of one million ansitioii to tlie arrangement made by the Canadian Gover.iment; on tin; contrary, I have shown you that the contractors may carry it out with two screw steamers next year, and two additional the following year; they can need no charter for this. They have 24,000 /. a year to assist them, which will give them ;i decided advantage over all others. If the contractors confine their operations, for the present, to this object, the view;; of the Canadian Government for which the grant was made, will he carried out; hut if they mix this contract up with the magnitleent oiijeets of this great conipanv, the intentions of the (Janadian Government will be del'eated. The grant of 24,000 /. a year is a great consideration in a small concfrn re(|uiring littl(! capital, but a mere trifle if merged into this gigantic eom|)any; it might cover the expense of the London establishment. By granting this charter you would defeat the object of the Canadian Government. 1 conceive that I have a right to make these observations, because it has been stated to you that the opposition to this charter has been got up by me to prevent the Canadian traffic from being taken out of our hands, whereas I have never o|»por>ed this measure in any way. It is true we have built steamers for this trade, but 1 do not oppose others on that account. These a[»plicants for the charter altribuie to me great influence, if I have moved all the shipping interests of the kingdom, who liave petitioned you, and who have now directed tiieir representatives to protest in Parliament against the granting of this charter, which would enable the comjiany to ru'i down ai'. opposition fiom legitimate trade, and then become monopolists. If these gentlemen are the philanthropists they profess to be, desirous of taking under their especial protection the whole trade of the kingdom with the North American colonies and the United States, let them show some confidence in each other, and carry out their projects upon their own rispousibilty. Tiie Canadian contract is a mere pretext ; 15 directors, ;i trustees, secretaries, clerks, &c. There could have been no justice in depriving the East India Com- jjany of their trading charter if you now grant a charter to this absorbing company, and in oppositic ! to the expressed wishes of the whole shipping interest of the kingdom. ■v-l w I i'- 5. h 11 %■ ' 'A (signed) S. Citnanl. E •iV ^ 34 PAPERS RELAT'Nfi TO THE LONnON, LIVERPOOL, AND Enclosure in No. 31. LIST of Stkam Vehhklh <.wiic«1 by Mciwrs. Cunant, Dumi, Marhrr, & C'ompwiy. VE8SBU' NAMES. Total ToDiMfc. Mom Powct, Margaret ------ Cambria ------ America -..--. Niagara ------ Europa -..--- Canada ------ Asia ------ Africa ...--- Camilla ..-.-- Laurel -.--.. Stork British Queen - - - - - Andes ------ Arabia ------ Persia ------ Alps ------- Taurus ------ TencrifTe ------ Balbec -----., Melila Etna -------. Jura -------- Elk Stag ■ |-Jackall tSatellite Total Amount 684 1,423 1,836 1,824 1,834 1,830 2,226 2,226 485 428 430 801 1,440 2,500 3,200 1,500 1,050 1,050 1,000 1,014 2,100 2,100 500 500 200 170 34,441 220 550 670 C70 7(10 700 800 800 220 180 210 160 300 1,000 1,000 300 200 200 181 200 400 400 250 250 90 80 10,731 The two last steamers (within brackets) nuiy seem small vessels to be introduced into this list, but small as they are they cost 15,000/., and are employed as tenders on the Mersey, ia connexion with the ocean steamers, and in conveying the mails. 4 December 1852. (signed) S. Cunanl. NORTH AMERICAN SCREW STEAM SHIP COMPANY. 33 — No. 3-2. — thia ^, ia Livcr|>ooI ami I'liiladclpliia Steam Sliip Company, I'J iiihI i:), To\vcr-l)iiil*iin(r!t. l..ivi>r|H)ol, Rc8|)octud Friend, 12tli month 8th, IM^-J. We have iHTuscd with much intprosv the procH'tKlings in the House of (^oni- niomi, as reiwrted in the "Tijnes" nowspajx-r of yesterday, witli reference to the charter of limited liability soufrht from yonr iioard for tlie London, Liver|>oul, and North American Screw Steam Ship Com|mny. Up to the present moment we have not in any way interfered, or given any opinions or statements with res|)cct to it, tiiough we feel, and are perhaps more deeply interested than almost any other parties in the matter ; hut wt! have remained (|uiet from the feeling that others with more inHiience than ourselves had taken nn the matter, and that on tl>c representations already made the decision would be formed ; but finding in thy s|)ecch that memorials were still coming in, we trust this communication will meet with the consideration jt may deserve. We have no wish to argue the question of charters in general, but we think that if a charter is to be granted to a new company, who hold out the prospect of running on a station where (in their own prospectus) they state that they have a Government subsidy of 8 per cent, on the capital stock to be invested in that service, the Liverpool and Philadelphia Steam Ship Company have u fortiori a much stronger claim for a eliarter, inasmuch as they have been tlie parties ti> prove the efficiency of screw steam vessels in voyages across the Atlantic, their vessels having been run without any subsidy or aid from Government of any kind, and having been the first vessels running with certainty and regularity on that line, which has now been established for upwards of two years. If the charter is claimed on the ground that they open a new trade with Canada, we think they have a sufficient warrant against total loss in tlie nubsidy above named. If, however, it is sought on the ground that they will open a communication with the I'nited States, there is no claim on that ground ; for steam ships of our company "^timenced a regular communication with Philadelphia, a new and untried station, in December 1850, and from that time until yesterday (when the first screw steamer of the Cunard line sailed for New York) have been the only company with steamers crossing the Atlantic from England who have not received assistance or subsidy of any kind. The owners of the vessels already engaged in our line have investeil (without the assistance of any loans of any kind that we are aware of) property to the amount of about 00,000/. sterling, each firm's interest in them averaging about 9,000 /.; and to show the willingness to accommodate any increase of trade there may be, they have subscribed capital for an increase of the line, and arc at pre- sent in treaty for the purchase or building another vessel, increasing the capital of the company to about 130,000/. to 150,000/., which will be held in shares averaging as above staled, there being only about 10 or 12 firms and individuals, and those all of our immediate friends, connected with it. We therefore naturally look with some anxiety to a company forming to carry on a trade, which we believe will eventually, if not at present, interfere mo ir less with our enterprise, and that fear is greatly increased when we sec a com- pany with shares of only 20/., while we ourselves have ours in shares of 9,'JOO/. each or more. In the traffic to the United States they ofTer no novelty : our steamers have during the past summer carried cabin passengers at 21 /., 16/. 155., and 13/. 13s., which is as low as any accommodation of the kind can be given, and they have also been carrying, on the average during the past summer, an average of 200 emigrants or steerage passengers per month ; and we consider it would be a hard- ship upon us, that after we have been the pioneers of such traffic (and we humbly submit have shown the feasibility of it to other parties), and have borne the risks and losses of opening the enterprise, if a company formed of small shareholders 730. were « 1 if ^Y 3'' I'APKUS !IKI.ATIN(S TO TIIR lONDON. LIVKUI'OOL. AND w«Tf' allowi'il In piiiii II cliiirtiT t(» iiiiidlr ilniii, l)y lln' larjfe arnouiif i>ri>n;iitnl tiny inlvt'rti!-r I'nr, to rniiu' into ci>m)ntiriiiii ami nvriimwiT a «i'ialliT roiiuiuiiy, though it tiiiiy li;ivr a much ^rrcatcr iinliviiliml xtakr in tlii! itiidiMtiikiiic;. \N (' i JM'-tilii'd in entering tiirther than thi-^ into the matter, liiit should there Im' any inrnrmation on the point \vhi('h we can render, IVoin onr ex|ierien('e of two years' working, we :>hall he ha|i|>v to attend iipoti you per- Honally. or answer tlie ijiie«tiun>i you may de-ire to put to iim. We remain, &e. (siffiii'd ) Ricknrdsoii, lirot/iers, i^' Co. To the lii^rht lionoui-ahle.l.W. Henley, President of the hoard ol Tnule. London. 'A -iimilar answer to tlu' preecdiiiii ones returned. ICne|ii»ure in No. ;i:i. The Liverpool and Pliilndelpliia Steiun Ship Cuiniiany intend .iailin» their (iivourite Iron Sl() tons - - Cni)t. U. Leitch, - Cai.t. \y. Wylie, - ('apt. K. Morrison, City of Gla8go^v City of ^lanchcstcr - City of GIin-=, and mesBing ' together. A limited ^'i^ NORTH AMKKICAN ^("HEW STKAM SIIII' 1(>MI>.\NV. .17 A lliiiitcii iiumliiT <)r|miw(>ii(.'rr« will liv taken at dx guinuM, inclu "■■iiiirol, i .'I /. onrli. FrJi({lit oil fiiio ^{imaU, (i(i». ricr ton, -nd unnmnufiu'ttin':iyiil.ic lurf or in riiiIwU"l|pli: nt 4 dolliiis Hdrculii per |"niii.l I'tirliii),'. Aii|>ly in l'liilail('l|>liia and New York, to 'riioma- Uicliurdimn ; in llrHlifl, tn Uirlmrd'Hin, IhotlicrH, & Co.; ill dlif^gow, tol'iitrick IKiidrn'oii & Co.; in Uublin, to Coriicliiiii Cailitoii ; in London, to Hdwurd,-, Saiiliiril, i*i Co . ior |iiu'Kfn}:i ih, and I'icktord \ Ci>., iv ;; -hU; in I'aris, M Fndcrirk Ucdlirn. H, Hue ilc la I'aix ; In Ma\n', to W. DaMd^-on; in Miinrlif..ti'i-, to (iforjfc Stonier; ami, in Livfrpool. to l{!tliiird.'»on, llrotlicrs it Co, IL' and 13, Tootr- i.rjje l)iiildin)(s. I — N... 3:1. — .Sir, Austin Friars, 10 Diccinln r Ift.'.i. Rv (lin'ctioii (if tin: |iroviHioiial nniiinittf of tlie Ltniloii, Liverpool, inul North Aiiiriiciiii Screw Stcniii Slii|i Coiiipaiiv, >vi' stud licrcwitli two - iti'iniiits. oiu' sliowini; the toiiiiiio;f of Hritisli and liiittd Slates vessels, wliicli have eleaitd out from the port of Ijnidoii to New Yuri^ iliiriii;i this year, tlie otiier sliowitio tlie toiinafre of British and riiited States vessels whicli have cleared from Liverpool to New Vork diirinj; the sirne p. riod. The olijects for whieli these statements an furnished will he .stated to Mr. Henley l>y the eommitfee, wlio iire ap|ioinle(l i.. attend at the Hoard of Trade to-morrow, at 12 o'clock. .tnines Hooth, F-sq.. Whitehall. \Ve remain, &c. (oijrned) Wfukson df Mallexon. 1 Enclosure 1, in No. 33. SIIIPH cleared at London with CiRnoEs for Neir Yurh. I'acket Shipi. UNITED STATES. Tom. Transient Ships. 1852 — January : Iiide|ii'ndt'nce - Marjjaret Evans Patrick Ilcnry - ( )coaii Queen' • Fedhdarv : Sir Roltert Peel i\nierican Eagle Prince Albert - Devonsliire Mauch: American Congress - Northumberland York Town Southampton - April ; Cornelius Grinnell - Victoria - . . London ■ . . Commonwealth - Carried forward - 730- 10,730 Christi.ina Richard Cobdeii Hannah Crocker Hi hernia Tons. Mill 747 f.4a !)7li It R I T I .S II. Transient Shipii. ' Tons. ;i,17.-j Marv urn y;)l n ?| ' if 'j if 'a ;i £ .'. :^^ '! ! 38 PAPERS RELATING TO THE LONDON, LIVERPOOL, AND 1 UNITED STATES. BRITISH. Packet SUpi. Ton*. Traiuieiit Shipi. Tods. Tnuuicnt Shipi. Toni. 18S2— Mav: Brought forward • 16,730 . . . - 3,170 • • . 031 John Merrick - Patrick Henry • Independence - Marmirct Kvana Hcndrik Hudson Ocean Queen - 803 1,002 782 1,012 831 1,3U3 Florida . Ionian . . • Grccnpoint 703 853 605 «.M June: Sir Robert Peel American Eagle Prince Albert - Devonshire 1,000 080 080 1,175 Christiana Masonic . . • 804 401 July: American Congress - Northumberland York Town Southampton Cornelius Grinnell 003 000 1,263 1,324 1,331 Delia Maria . 650 AuovsT : Victoria ... London ... Mar^raret Evans Patrick Henry - 038 1,386 1,064 1,002 Ilaidec . - - Orphan ... 769 716 September : Hcndrik Hudson Independence • Ocean Queen - Sir Robert Peel American Eagle 821 782 1,303 1,000 080 Henry Harbeck Alert 477 866 October : Prince Albert - Devonshire American Congress - Northumberland 080 1,176 003 000 Elsinore - Eagle ... 061 1,216 ^ November : York Town Southampton - • Cornelius Grinnell • Victoria ... 1,363 1,324 1,221 038 Christiana 804 " "^ December: London (loading 8tli December). Margaret Evans Patrick Hennr - Hendrtk Hudson 1,385 1,064 1,002 821 Surprise (to sail this month). 1,104 Total Tons - . - 54,262 13,83'i 031 TOTALS. r. . «■ . ... Tom, 62 Packet Ships, United States 64,252 22 Transient Ships, ditto . . . . . . ..13 823 74 United States Ships gg o7< 1 British Ship '931 '•'' 60,003 liii NORTH AMERICAN SCREW STEAM .SHIP COMPANY. 39 ii 931 Enclosure -2, in No. 33. SHIPS cleared at Liverpool with Cargoes for AVa- Vork. UNITEDSTATES. D K I T I S H. PACKET SHIPS. TRANSIENT SHIPS. STEAM Smi'S. TRANSIENT SHIPS. ISSS— January: i 1852— January : Toiu. 1 Tont. Tons. Tons. Mont(!zuma • 082 HumphrcyPeving.j 089 Asia . - 1,214 Kossuth . 1,300 Constellation - 1,702 ton. Niujiara ■ 1,UI»8 Isaac Wright - 1,280 Canada - 1,001 President ... 1,142 Cnngnrin - . - 1,085 Garrick - . • oau Queen of West . 1,307 Sardinia ... 802 Constantine 1,384 Jacob A. Westofet - 1,533 Richard Morse - 1,000 Excelsia . - - 1,103 Philadelphia 1,102 Arctic ... 1,600 Steam. Pacific - 1,500 Steam. February: February: Columbine 1,132 Racer 1,700 Africa 1,210 — — West Point 1,040 Asia 1,214 Austatice - . - 1,115 Niagara ... 720 Ocean Queen - 870 General Dunlop 1,111 Henry Clay 1,484 Empire State - 1,482 Pelican State - 949 Universe ... 1,297 Monkatten 1,388 Enterprise 812 Star of the West 1,191 Hemisphere 1,213 Albert Gelatine . ,',,018 Chaos ... 770 William Nelson 1,030 Fidelia - 037 Atlantic ... 1,500 Steam. Arctic . . - 1,500 Steam. March : March: Edward O'Brien 910 Sarah G. Hyde . 890 Europa - 1,010 China 033 Sheridan . . - 980 Costello . 041 Africa 1,210 Lesmaliago 792 Underwriter 1,450 W. D. Scwail - 721 Midas 741 Leviathan - . - 1,250 Olivia 020 Colonist - 751 George Washington - 1,058 New Brunswick K02 Rochennbeim * 805 Constitution 1,009 Washington 1,791 America ... 1,104 Arctic ... 1,202 New York 972 James Nesmith 1,090 Siddons ■ 991 Saratoga ... Miss Van Wrinkle - 1,200 1,094 Andrew Forster . 1,300 Joseph Walker - 1,385 Pyramid . - - 855 . . Carried forward . C3,48b 5,327 7,879 C,UbI M ■30- t 4 yi^ 40 PAPERS RELATING TO THE LONDON, LIVERPOOL, AND III: U N I T 1: U STAT K H. I'A( KKl SHU'S. TRANSIENT SHU'S. IM "jv! — .Marcli — continued. Uroiiixijt ('i>r«ard - TriconiliTo'.M .laiii('!< 1*. Sage - I'alcnii W. H. Ilarhicli - William Micliljoch Watrrlod - I'uiitic ... Uallir Arnir. : Contiiii'Mt - Yorksliiro - - . Ahlllllll'toll J,a(lv I'raiikliii - New Woi'lil I)e Wilt t liiilon riorida ... I{(wriiis ... S(>utiiniii|itoM Ar<;() ... (ircat Wi'slcrii - K. C. S('ta?iliii - Meridian - - - William Katliboiie Livt'i'iioul - Iloro St. I'atrick Ciiiiilierlaii(l Arctii^ Pari 111! Mav: Rsiucrulda John and Lucy - Guy Munnorint; Jsanc Wcbl) A. Z. Kninia Field John Stewart HuEUeuot - Calaniza - Kepiuinuoek Montezuma Pi'ineeton - Franklin King - John K. Walsh - Garriek - James Wriijht - Isaac Wi'ighl Si.'uator West I'oint Julia Howard - Levitt Stoner Franklin J. Ward Houghton - William Witlierhee Constantino Jaeol) A. WcsterKcId |{ol)eua Excelsia - E. Hulkly Constellation Camden - Colombo - Trumbull . Atlantic - Arctic Carried forward 6;t,48H I,J.'!I 1,1411 \)2'i 7!M» 1,111111 I, .1(1(1 ),.')( I(J I,(i.l-.' 1,(m;o i.orr i,-'m;) i,(I0 l,4l'> I,-J81 1,1(11 I.I-'-i!) i,i-.y 1,11(10 !l(IO 1,50(1 1,500 1)83 1,OHO 1,418 1,443 (i/O iM4 1,703 !)30 708 l,2o(» 831 1,142 1,-iOO 800 iias 1,172 1,280 i)23 i,oan 58<) 1)83 820 787 000 1,384 1,533 778 1,1(13 734 1,702 778 700 855 1,500 1,500 T«m. 5,327 BRITISH. STAM SHU'S. THANSIK.NT SHU'S. 1852 — March — continued. I Tom. 7,870 Art Union 800 ArniL : Sarah Sands A^ia - linro|ia Great liritain Tangier - John Calder 304 309 Mat: 1131 1,214 1,010 1,010 Africa Asia 133,058 6,020 1,210 1,214 14,480 Indian Ocean Persian - Malabran - Keeja|)ore Middfeton Adonis F'leetwood Arran Plantagenct Equator - Kivcrdule - Nova Parice Annamaca Passeatc - Envoy Tantivy - Harmony - Gipsy Crown Argo Pudsona - Salem Agitator - Home Eudosia - Intrinsic • David Cannon Tom. 5,081 1,080 1,132 1,175 1,070 000 888 507 1,004 1,085 787 843 879 1,170 505 200 040 1,040 832 720 1,284 OOU 580 015 417 728 1,015 frj7 1,331 30,887 NT siiirs. Tom. l.OflO I,I3'J 1,175 1,070 ma 8H8 507 1,004 1,085 787 84:j 879 1,170 505 290 ))40 1,040 8;(2 72!) 1,284 OOU 580 010 417 728 1,010 1,331 30,8S7 lc% NOinil AMFKICAN S(in:\V STi:.\M SIHI' COMPWV. 11 UNITED STATES. PACKET SHU'S. 1H5-J— JrxE: Uroujrilt forward Torrent - Empire State - Co'.iimbia - Louisiana - Henry flay .Ino. Uarvi'y IrcMo Kiclianl Moore - Albert Gelatin - Suriliniii - Cliace Geo. Evens Pelican State Sarah Louise Devonsliiro Ocean V.a^\e. Sheridan - ■Washington Aflriatic - William Hatton Star of West - Universe - Queen of West - Marchatteux Nicholas llitldic General Dunlop Enterprise America - Henry Gurnell - Constitution I'nilerwriter Vanjxiiard - Forest King Baltic Atlantic - Arctic Ji'LV : Josh. Walker Sandusky - Fidelia - Winfield Scott Continent - Mctoka Philadelphia New World Andrew Forster St. George Maratlion - OwegE Hibernian Siddons - Jas. Ncsmlth Vanguard - Kenneb(!ce Yorkshire Hope Goodwin - Sarah G. Hyde - Saratoga - George Green - Ashburton Cheshire - Forest King Western World - Nebraska - Rackaway De Witt Clinton Ladv Franklin - Baku Pacific Carried forward 730- T(in>. l;i;i,iius 74!) 1,4H-J 1 , 1 OH s;>0 1,447 l,ii:iH 1,1H7 8 7 -J I,->r, 72:1 1,000 007 780 5!)li 080 1,791 720 1,215 1,101 1,432 1,387 1,388 770 950 830 1,137 1,049 1 ,009 1,500 1,287 l,ilo 1,500 1,500 1,500 1 ,325 970 907 1,510 1,090 775 1,102 1,423 1,300 l,l(iO 890 888 877 1,000 1,000 1,287 920 1,058 1,345 800 1,451 808 1,077 500 1,100 1,354 516 820 1,082 1,374 1,600 1.600 TKANSIEXT SIIII'S. 208,107 Uliodis .). J. liatliiirne - (irr<'MH icli TeiiilK'st - Tiinn. <1,929 479 :!!i8 7'-o 851 Jessori Arthur Chas. Cooper 450 579 077 n H I T I s II. PACKET SHU'S. TRANSIENT Sllll% 1852 — J ine: l^inipa .*»arah .Sands Africa Tim>. 14.4N(l 1,0111 1131 1,210 i I'miiih I Kcisrulh i Montcyii J11.V Asia Eiiropa Africa 11,|.')3 r s 1 A 1 K S. B B 1 T I .S 11. PACKKT SIlIl'S. TRANSIENT SHU'S. I'ACKKT SHIPS. 1 IKANSIENT SHIPS. lHr,a— AidfBT: 1832— AlorST*. Tom. 7'uiiii. Ton*. Tuni. Broiiplit forward - 2I1N,I07 . 11, LIS . 21,077 ... 3»,24H Nrw York !)7i' Annakinibu 071 Asia 1,214 John Wilry 183 liciijaiiiin Ailiiiris i,4".; Huropa - 1,010 Scniirt 11(10 I'^Ii'ho Owfii H7il ' l'raniiei.8 ... l,4.Vi Soiilliaiiiptdii l,'.'8N Livin;; A^;r 730 Sliaiiimn - »-J2 I Liverpool ... 1 l.l'-'» 1 SihiH .Slicimiiaii - Mtr, 1 Mii!-aui;iis 0(10 Hdsciiis - 1,(1(17 Fcrncliiflliall - 1 (KIH Cornelia . . - 1 1,0(14 Saliil. Ijiwrenee I,.".' 4 ]•;. C. Serainploii 1,I8(J Creiii Wciiteni - l.OOU Wiiii'liotc.- ! I,h:)4 Kalo lliiiili'r 740 J'illCCloll - 1,142 nu;:ii(n()t il.'Jll I"niiie'« 1'. J-afie l,-J()0 Hcmij^pliere l,0t.'4 Win. Sprii({iic - 7-'0 Scar(,'o (IJO Lev 'atlian - I,?o0 Col. CiMts - 7hl ■"Vest Point ),04il Conqueror I,OHj Atlantic - . - 1,600 Aniic ... 1,500 Sfptemhkr : Septemher: Isaac WcIpIi 1,143 — — Africa 1,216 Duke 082 Cape Cod . K4o Asia 1,214 (luy Mannerinp; I, WO Chaos HH> Geo. Wasliinsiton 1,049 W:n. Hiilhlione ■ - ; MO! Garriik - 1,100 Uialto 4ltO W. D. Sewall - 070 Roger Stewart - 1,000 Constantinc U384 .Inc. Stewart 1,700 Isaac VVricflit 1,286 tino. Hancocks - 870 Excelsor • 1,103 Meridian - - - 1,300 Rapplmnocii 1,188 ABtrt-a . . - 841 Caroline Tucker 8n« A. Z. - - - 7S8 American Union 1,240 Jacob A. Wcstcrfell - 1,(")33 Itochambcan 806 Albert Gelatin - 1,018 Constellation 1,702 Pacific ... 1,600 Atlantic ... 1,600 OcTonER: OCTODER : Columbia - I'mma I'ields • 1,075 — — Europa • 1,010 _ •• 1,075 Africa 1,210 Australia - 1,447 I loiijiliton 030 ISheridan • 080 Qitccn of West . 1,387 Washington 1,701 - . Cnrricd forward - 279,000 13,124 27,D67 . 36,113 lENT SHU'S. Tont. 1h:i 682 36,113 tw W NORTH AMERICAN SCREW STEAM SHIP COMPANY. 43 PACKET SHIPS. UNITED S T .V T E S. TRANSIENT SHIPS. 19u2 — October — continued. Drouglit forwbnl Middlenex Henry Cliiy G. W. Phelps Brewer Tides Monbattcn Celestial - Universe - Star of West Charles Hulnics Continent - Jos. Walker Arctic Pacific South Carolina November Tun.i. 270,066 1,500 1,484 800 711 720 1,381 866 1,432 1,101 846 1,009 1,325 1,600 1,500 1,000 Underwriter 1,440 Fidelia - - - 002 Constitution 1,609 Andrew Forstcr 1,280 E.Z. - - - 754 Empire State • 1,321 New World - 1,483 Siddons - 971 Typhoon - - • Yorkshire 1,611 1,059 Antarctic 1,200 Western Wjrld 1,360 Enteipris-; 836 Ashburton 1,077 St. George 960 America - . - 1,194 Saratoga ■ - Lady Franklin - 1,451 1,283 Atlantic ... 1,500 Baltic 1,500 Decembeb Benjamin Adams Great Western - Celestial Empire Arctic Arctic Muzutlan - Liverpool KosciuB - Levy Woodbury Racehorse Isaac Webb Shannon - Hero Centurion - E. C. Swanton - New York ' 1,457 1,600 1,000 1,500 1,250 500 112 1,037 977 514 1,443 922 800 850 1,220 972 338,234 Tuns. 12,124 1! R I T I > 11 PACKET SHIPS. THANSlfiNT Mill's 1 852 — Oc'ober — continued. Tom. ' 27,007 TllHA. Uo,ti:i On the berth. NoVliMllEli: A-i;i Europe - 1,214 j Intrepid 1,010 Decembeb : Africa Andes On the berth. 701 12,124 1,210 773 32,170 Kossuth 1,21)0 37,074 SUMMARY. British Sailing Ships British Steam Ships United States Packet Ships United States Steam Ships United States Transient Ships 300,074 37,560 Tons. 37,074 32,170 I 338,23; 12,li4 Tons. 00,244 350,368 730. r 2 •No. 34. m\ v^ 41 I'AIM.KS UKLATIN(i TO THK LONDON. LIVKllPOOL, AND — No. ;m.— :i, ('i(i\Mi-c*iiirt, I'liilpot-lniir, Sir, 1^ l)(c-fiiili(T 1h:.'2. 1 1 liciiij: i(|ir( Milted tdllrr M;ji>t\s (lovciiiincnt that the ^^raiit of a charter i)f iiicorporalioii to a iirojcctcd sti am navigation cutiiiiaiiy is n'<|ui!>itc, in onhv that Canada may fiijoy tlio advantapt- of havinf; a contract, hitcly fntircd itito hy the iiiilhrMiiiis nt'that pmvincf for tlic (•sial)li-liinent of a line of steam vissels Itetween (ireat Mritiiiii and (j>iifl)e(; and I'oitlimd, carried into exccntioii ; We liefi leave to >ay that, m) far i> it from being true that a cliartcr of ineor- poralion to any company is at ail ie(jni>itc, vc iirc iirejiai'td to niidcrtakc the licrforniancc of the >ei vices of the Canadian (iovcrnincnt, if dc-iicd. W iiavc, &c. To the Hi};lit Honoiirahle (-igned) AtCalmonJ, lirot/icrs, S,- Co. .1. \V. Henley, M. P.. President of tiic Hoard of Trade. — No. :t:i. — London, Liverpool, ami North American Screw Steam Ship Company, Sir, No. IJ, Leadenhall-ftreet, 13 Decen'ibcr 1852. On hchalf of the provisional committee of this company, I heg to snbmit to you in writing the snbstancc of tlie representations tiiat were made to you by tlie deputation that had the honour of an interview uitli you on the 11th instant. AVe sought that interview in consequence of the discussion wliich took place in the House of Commons on 7lli instant, in wliich iinpt iations of ai; un warrantal)le nature \vere cast upon this committee by Mr. Charles Turner. We desire to state ihat his assertion, tlial this com|)any is got up for stock-jobbing purposes, to raise the shares to a premium, and without an intention of carrying out its professed objects, is entirely void of foundation. Its chief promoters are merchants diicply interested in the trade of the North American colonies and t'.e United States of America, whose only object is to procure for these branches if trade the advan- tage of steam cominunication. The same gentleman is said to have objected to charters being granted to any steam shipping companies, lest they should over- bear private individuals, although he is himself, as we understand, a large shareholder and a director of the Pacific Steam Ship Compary, trading under a Royal charter of incorporation, with limited liability. Mr. Villiam Brown, who moved for the papers relating to this coinpauy's application, aid his partners, are agents at Liverpool for the Collins line of steam ships, which b 'long to a company chartered by the State of New York, with limited liability. '. he Messrs. Brown are believed, on good authority, to be interested in that company to a very large amount ; two partners in their house are managing director.! in New York, and that company enjoys an enormous subsidy from the Govemmint of the United States. This committee did not request any of their Parliamentary friends to take part in the debate, considering that it was an unnecessary interference with the prerogative of" the Crown, and being quite willing that the papers in question should be granted or withheld, as you should judge expedient; the consequence of this abstinence on the part of the committee was, that the discussion was almost entirely confined to those honourable gentlemen who are hostile tc this company. We believe it is admitted on all hands that no reasonable objection exists to the application of this company being granted, so far as it applies to the North American colonies, for even Mr, Cunard has been kind enough to say that we might obtain a charter for the colonies, but that we should never succeed in obtaining one for the United States. We therefore refrain from occupying your time by repeating the statements of benefits tc tlie colonies and to the trade of this country which have been urged by us iva grounds for such a charter being granted, and will merely add here; that it is not possible for stt:i'' vessels to be advantageously employed between thi;a country and the North Aiucrican colonies, if ■Jofc NORTH AMKHICAN SCUI", W STEAM SHIP COMPANY. •l/i if rL'>itniiiR'il from pi'iircilinj; to pons ii tlu- Uniti-d Slates during tlio winttr iiioiitlis, wlu'ii tlic only roloiiiiil port (liat < ojild lie >af( ly rcacliitl liv lan^c (iicaiiUTS is Halifax, ami that port i'^ alnady siipj lied willi sti am accommodation liv tiit! C'liiiard line. Tliere is also no (lir(Ct eonimnnieatioii in winter l)et\vt<'n Halifax and Canada, and thii cntract with the ( iovirnincnt of Canada wliicli tliis i *mall a niunher of ve— els as v'onld he employetl in tiiat i-ervice. In order to iminee yon to recommend a eompliaiiee with onr application for ii charter inclndinf^ New Voik, we pie-nme that it will 1 e necessary for us to satisfy vonr mind Tipon the followiii};; points : I. That the establishment of such a company is a tiational object. •2. That it cannot be accomplished by jirival^; enterprise. ;). That it will not interfere nndnly with existing British interests. On the first point we beg reference to the statements which we have laiil b;?fore von of all the ships which have cleared at the ports ot London and Liverpool, with car;;fics for New York, diirinj^ the present year, includinu; those now loading; and expected to sail in this month; from these statements we derive the following astoniuling results, viz.: At London, L^nitcd States sailing ships Ditto British - - ditto fi8,074 tons. J»31 „ and not any steamers of either country. .\t Liverpool, United States sailing ships - Ditto British - - ditto Ditto United States steam ships - Ditto Britisii - - dittj - 312,798 tons. - :J7,074 „ - 37,.')0(> „ - 3->,17() „ The Ne.v York trade t'roni l^ondon is exclusively in the hands of the United States shijiowners, the fact of out; British ship, of !)31 tons, having loaded this year being a strictly exceptional case. In Marcii and April hist, the prevalence of easterly winds prevented the arrival of ships from America ; there »\ ere either no United States ships in port, or their scarcity so nuicli enhanced their price, that one British shi|) obtained a cargo instead of an American. It would appear frons the above hgnres that at Liverpool the British sailing ships do maintain a competition against those of the United States, although to a small extent, their tonnage being less than a ninth part of the whole ; but even to that trifling extent the competition is rath.r apparent than real. The United States ships, wliicli consist principally of packets sailing at regular periods, are loaded with colonial produce, manfactured goods, &c., paying high rates of freight, and they carry a superior class of passengers; while the British ships are ballasted with iron, salt, coal, and other articles, paying very low rates of freight, and they carry, in addition, the lowest order of Irish emigrants. The original cause of the Americans having possessed themselves of the entire carrying trade from this country to New Y'ork is to be traced to the operation of the Navigation Laws, which were formerly the same in both countries ; they prevented a British siiip from carrying anything but British produce from the United Kingdom to the United States, and they prevented an American ship from earring anything but American produce Irom America to the United Kingdom. A portion of every general cargo shipped in London and Liverpool to New York consists of foreign and colonial produce, and such cargoes were necessarily shipped in AmericJin bottoms. Nearly all the cargoes imported from America are wholly of American produce, and either a British or an American ship could be emjiloyed in their conveyance. 'I'wo or three Britisii ships were annually required to bring East India, or other foreign and colonial goods, from New York to London or Liverpool, when the uuirket for such 730. F 3 urticlts •ii- I 1 1 y^'\ mill , 46 PAPERS RELATING TO THE LONDON, LFVRRPOOL, A\F) nrticlcH lnippcncd to Uv better nu tlii-i ,irle of the Atlaiiti'; tlian on the other coiisei|iiriitlv the Anierieiiii shij) olttiiiiied IViMU'lifs l)Oth '.viiys, whilst tlie IJriti-h Hliip was oli'li^rcd fo proc/ed in hidhist t.) Aiiieiiea in onler to luali ( ii|:itiil, l)iit ni;iiiiiL'il l)y I'lriimi scaiiuii ;• i| fiirciit'i i n;;iiurr!<, ami tlie owners of 'vliicli will In- Jiitinly Inc t'roiu jursi, a. nsixnisibiiiiy. N\'c ii>|ii'ctfn!ly siilmiir to you tliat "c luiv(< iiiinlc nut ii iM.-f of iiaiioiiiil im- |n)rfaii'.'i' ill (avtuir nfilii^ cuiiiiiaiiv, In which a fair svstiin of cniii|u'tifi m wuuld l)c c^lalilisind hituei'ii l'.iiph>h scitw stiaincrs and Aiiu'ricaii -ailiiv, siiips, vliitli iaiti r at |in'Miif iiKiiiojMiiisf tli ■ tarryiiiji trade lietwceii the two eomilries, and tliat d" the ()|i|)(irt;iiiily lA yuU'wv^ liritis-li screw steamers on the liiK j be now ln^- as they employed engineers to cHect the repairs of their machinery, their charges ate np nil ciiance of jirufit for tlie ships, and they iiave made their protits in many instances solely from the savings etlected by having all repairs done by their own workmen; hut establishnn nts lor this purjiose can only be maintained when the He(t ol'siii|)s is largi; enough to keep the workmen and the workshops in employ. It may perhaps be urged that the owners of the Cunard steamers are a private association, without the privilege of linuted liability, and that ot!ier companies will he formed on the same ])rinciple for carrying out the objects contemplated by this company. If this were true, we admit that it would be an answer to our ajtplication; but we submit that the attempt to establish such private asso- ciations, without subsidies of public money, and in tace of the unscrupulous hostility that they wouhl meet with from the present subsidised companies, will never be made. From the fact that no such attempt has been made during the 14 years that th^ Cunard line has been in existence, it may fairly be inferrt;ril last, that the value of the property belonging to tlie asjociation was then ahyit 1,250,000/,, and that very little fresh ca]>ital had ben brought into it since the commencement, the increase of a million sterling having almost whojly accrued from the accumula- tion of undivided protits. It is clear that a charter would be only a burthen upon parties so circumstanced. The amount they now receive from the public is no less than 186,000/. per annum, and it may easily be conceived how much more rapidly their accumulations of profit must he going on, and their consequent power of crushing opposition he increasing, at present, titan during the earlier 730. F 4 part ^M ^;i'l ^' 1 11 i ^S I'.M'KUS Ur.LATlNO T<» Till". I.ONDoN, Ll\ Kifrool,. AMI ■it if pari '( uiirotricird ('iitii|)<'titii)ii Ii:i'. lii-en iinnkid t)v sptiikt 1' ill llic ll'iu-i' nf C'oiiiiiioiis ii<;iiiii-t tlic ii|i|)lii;atiiiii of tliin coiii|iiiiiy. We ii'|i|p(al «itli miicli (•niifidi'iHC In llic saiiu- priiu iplc in Mippurt o( it. Tiic (idviiiiiiii lit, liv an riioiiiiiiii- Mil)>iily u> oih' coiii|)aiiy, lias rciidcii'd it utd'ily li(i|)(lfss tor any individual to niiii)M Ir witii tlii'iii. i'artii ^ di>iniii.-i of coiiipfliiij; witii till III laiiiior I'Xpcci tin' ( io\t'i'nin<'nt to>;iN(' lliciii tlic iiicaiis of doiii^ !«() Iiy j;Taiitiiif: to iIk in .-iiiiilar Mli)^^idi^•.^, and «>■ do not a>k it ; i)iit \vc ask tin; (lovrrinnt lit to (;ivt! Ui* iln- u«si»laiicc of a Royal idiarUr, at no t-ost wliativer to tlir fount IV ; and "f do ii'it s ■' k to olitain liy it any nxrlii-ivc priviic^is uliat- (vcT, or tosliiit ont tiic coinpi tition of any oilier coiiipanii-. that may lunaftcr dftirf to (-rnploy tlnir capital on the hainc fnld of occii|)ati()n iindur llii: protec- tion of Koyul cliuitiis. We have? next to show that the ;;niiit of a eliaiter, «itli limited liahility, will not iiitacity lor carryinjj ^oods as coni|Mred with the sailing ships) heiiii; ahoiit l.iiiio tons; the ag;ire};ate voyagtes of these vessels would tluiei'orc ie|ireseiit 14, -too tons ; and as th.- ,>liips em|»loyed in iH.'ri had a total capacity uf (i!>,()(»o tons, we should occupy alioul one-tiftli of the ground now possessed hy the American ships; hut the tonnajie of the Aineriean packets t'liiploved this year is fourfold that which was employed 10 or 12 years ago; and when to the natural increase of this trade is added the inijailse that would necessarily be given to it by the introiluction of steam ships, it is not impro- bable that those of this con)|)aiiy i..r.y find ro"' i without displacing a ton of the shipping at present employed. The state of circumstances in Livcr|)ool is different, and requires to be exa- mined in detail. The aggregate tonnage being 41 0,002 tons, the ships of this company, at its commencement, would add oidy about l-30tli part to the ainotmt; but that tonnage is divided into five classes, which must be separately considered, viz. : 1 . American subsidised paddle steamers. 'i. American sailing ships. ;!. British subsidised paddle steamers. 4. British unsiibsidised steamers. 5. British sailing ships. The first class is not British, is largely subsidised, anil the owners are pro- tected by charter from unlimited liability ; and therefore, although the op|)ositioii to our application has been led by the person who is the most deeply interested in thofo vessels, we may safely pass them by without further observation. Th; American packet Bhi|is which form the great bulk of the second class, are ihooc with which screw steamers will come into direct competition, as the latter arc designed to carry the same descriptions of goods and passengers as they do; but as stated with respect to London, the progressive increase in the trade, stimulated by the superior facilities afl"orde NORTH AMERICAN SCHFAV STKAM Sllll> (UM1'AN\. a.j imsjii'iipfor!), hciti^ of tlir )<^iiiu- (jiiiility, aiMl at iilmiit tin' Hiitiu' rliai^i', u> liii 1° ••al»iii pas-nifrc'r-* in tlic .Aniiiifati p.ickci -liip- aiiJ in the |iiii|ii»r(l »iTt'w ^tl iiini'i's. 'I'lic adini^^ioii ol tlioc \i'— -rls tn tlir tiail will ^ixi tn micIi iia'>r<( ii- };i'i>, wlioar'' \iTy iiiiiiirroii!*, ilic elioicc ol tlirfc iiioufr* df ciiiivfyanii' ir)!>ti'a(l lit' two. Tlif paiidle st aini-rA carry a *u\M quantity of valualilc pimU at lii^li riitt'- of t'rriiilit, atnl in > onsi'tpu'iiCf ol'llicir trnati t >pt't'(l tlicv will alwiiv^ iinn- inan'l a ilcciditl I'Tflcri-iici' in carrvinj; Muli u"""'"- Tn'V ilo nut accoMiininlatc any iif till' ;;ri al. m,i.«s III pa-scnjjrrs that arr inisv tlmkiiifi acni--. the .\llantic, viz. the Miiall raniiir:* and iradisiniMi, who inii-t ludk tn a srcoiid-cln.* pa«-ane in tin- American packrt >hips nr the .•ifirw Ktiaiiiirfi, and tin- (Mni^rant^ who, al a tU'Mcndinjr >('alc ol' pa»«ajrr inmirv, will hi' takm in tin' 'iwctii dicks of -crew stcaini'r'i, .Vun'rican packet ship-, and .Aimrican and lintish tran>irni >hip^. It is ri^ht here to correct a inis-'^latetm tit in the iniuiorandnin that uas laid hcfore yuii hy this coinii:i:tcc on tlu' -itii ultimo. 'I'nc pla;i« of unr >hi|i> liad nut then been iiiatnred, ami lieiii(r de!liip. ^Vc feel conviiicid that yon wdl not think it ri{jht to prevent tliesi; larnc iiuinhers of British suhjects ohlainin;; a ijuictk and safe, instead uf u protracted and uncertain passage, e\L'U if yon >hould hu of opinion that screw .steamers would have the etl'ect of rcdueiiij.; the enorint)ns gains of tile Cunard .steamers tu a tritling extent on tlu ir tine <;o>i(ls and sccond- chiss pa».sfngers. Fourthly. N\ o are free to adtiiit, tliat if there were really and Ixnu'i fiili' a nuinhcr of --rew or other stea'u ve.-sels cstalilished in the Liverpool and New York trade, witliont G(i\ eminent sniisidy and without charters, if would atVord >troiiy; grounds for refusiiifj a chatter to cmihle this or any other company to »-nt 'r info com- petition with them ; and it is because the m'IV reverse of this is the fact, that W(> rely with iruch confidence on your deciding iti tavour of our ajiplication. The oidy ve>sels comprised in this class that have loaded this year at Liverpool for New Vork (besides the "Andes," to he afterwards noticed), are the " S.irali Sands" and the; "(iroat Dritain," tie former ve^Sl I having made two voyages, and the latter oidy one, and thev are both withdrawn from tin; New York trade | and sent to Australia; |)roving by their unsuccessful attempts h;)w futile it is for single steam vessels, whether owned hy iiidividiuds or companies, to be navi- : gated in that trade to advantage. 'I'he <|uestioii of comiH'tition between this ■ company and other screw steam ships is thus narrowed to the case; of the " Andes," which has just proceeded with a lull cargo of merchandise on her first voyage to New York. 'Ibis vessel belongs to the Cunard conij)any, who have five others in course; of preparation, and the most ])Iausible ground they have been able to advance for the opposition they have raised against the grant of a charter to this company is, in the assertion that we, with limited liability, wotdd be able to overbear them in competition, because they do not jmsscss that advan- tage. We answer, that their subsidy gives them an infinitely greater |)owor than a charter can confer on us, or any other company ; and if it wen; really intomled to run those vessels between Liverpool and New York, we should have the greater cause to fear the effects of competition ; but we have reason to believe that the loading by these ships of their first cargoes at Liverpool is merely subsidiary to a larger scheme contemplated. There exists at present an extensive ami lucrative trade, principally in passengers and gold, between Chagres and New York in American steamers, and between Chagres and I'.ngland in tlio ships of the Royal Mail Steam Company, and Mr. Cunard and liis partner.*, not content wiili the monopoly of steam between Liverpool and New York possessed by themselves and Collins' company, contemplate a competition with the parties already engaged in the two lines from Chagres. Their plan appears to be, that their screw steamers shall run between Chagres, Jamaica, and New York, in connexion with their paddle steamers between Liverpool and New York ; and they calculate that passengers and treasure will be conveyed to and from Cliagres, Jamaica, and England more quickly by this route than by the vessels of tlu; Royal Mail Company. Not being restricted by a charter in tlu' employment of their vessels, they will be under no obligation to return at any time froin New York to Liver- pool, and if their vessels pay as they expect between tiie former port and Chagres, it is probable that neither of them will return to England. These vessels do not provide accommodation for emigrants, which strengthens the impres- sion that they are not destined to ply regularly between Liverpool and New Y Ork. 730. G ' And \ M y #! J! f 50 PAIM M8 ni:i,ATI\(i TO Till: LONDON. I.IVRRI'OOI.. AM) Ami if it xlioiilil If ii-'iTdd that lln'V nr- n'lillv inlriidnl tu ri'iiini nri imi'Ii vdVMiri' to l,ivl J.iriiui'ii Vi N'lW York, tin- ri(iii(H'titi()ii wiMild hr iMtwccii ilinii iitnl the vt-!<('N of flu- < rMri|iain on the otif 'itii', iiniiin-t III.' Aniiricsiti |>;ick(t slii|i» on tin- oilur MtU', and not. a-* they aH»( ri, 111 iwi'cn tlicir «lii|i» and oni': I'oi ili-' loiiiliim d tonnai;r ol Ixitli H. •(•(!» of scnw strannTs uoidd ^till l)c' inion-idcriMc in ('orn|iari-on vviili tlic Anirricari (m(k.,oii of any roni[i(titioii in rc'iMTt of noods and |ia>' In twnii Livrrpool and New York tliiit ran III- liroinrlit atfain>t tlnin liy flii-* or any otiicr coinpuny. Tin' ival riin-c of tlicir fttriniion^ ixirtion- ai;ain«t our applioition. hy the hiuto-;- of wliicli fJM'V rxpi'ct t prcM'nt t'tr ("talili^linirnt of any sti am i'oin|>;iny for Aini'iira, •. tli.it ilii\ fir^Tr in >-m'li a conipany a powi rfiii comi)!'!]!!!!!! f •!• tlir (JoviTiinirnt mail niiitnict al tlir trrniiiiatioii of llirir [irc'i'iit Iimt. IVoiu wliicli tln-v aiiti(i|iai.' a roii«i(!<'val>!i' ri'diiction in tlicir i-iil)MM|ii('nt r.-cripts of the pniilic nioficv. Till' liftli (■la^^ of vi-^mIs ill tlii* trade, Hriii-i|i sailing sliips, 1 aniiot in aiiv way Ik' iiitcrf' ri'i' with hy xn w st('aiii(i> ; tlicy now ohtiin roinjli good!* and I 111 ig I ant-, hy taking ihciii at lower rates than the iiiori' i-xpensiMly-hnilt Aini'rican shijis, and hy tic same incan> they will cotitinuc to hold tiieir po-^iiion. Tile screw steamers cannot carry the same desiription of goods us the Kritioli sailing sliip>. so as to decrease their employiiieiit ; luit, mi tlie contrary, each voyage of a steauier will give additional employnn'iit to a Brilisli shij) in oiirryiiig a cargo of (;oals to New N'ork for the steamer's ii>e on her return voyage. Ill coiiclnsion. wi beg to ri( apitnlate the grounds mi which wc apply for u Royal charter of ineorjtoratioii, and which will, we confidently hope, induce yon to evant it. There is not at |tresent any steam communication iK^tween the port of London anil any jiart of North Amcrici. It i-^ miicii desireil hy the merchants of L'lndon connected with America, and \\v undertake to supply it. There is not at present any direct steam cominiiiiication between Canada or Ncwfonndland and any pirt of the rnited Kingdom ; such commnniration is earnestly desired hy the (iovernmeiits and people <)<■ both colonics, and will be furni-hed hy ihis company, and the postal coinmunieation bt^tween Newfound- land and Kngland will be reduced to one-half its present time. Till re is not at pnsent anv means of conveyance by steam for emigrants from tlie I'nited Kingdom to any part of North Aineriea. This company wid convey thein in about H dav-, at a cost very little exceeding that l)y sailing ships, which occupy from 40 to 00 days in the passage, and on board whicii ships starvation, dise.ise, and death are sometimes encountered by the emigrants. There is a disposition to establish steam-ship companies in France and the United States, under the laws of those countries limiting the liabilities of the shareholders. If our application for a charter should be refused, it will be hardly possible for the Government ever to grant a charter for North America to any other company, and the French and Americans will, consequently, gain possession of that part of the trade which may be carried on by steam ; but if this conipany be formed under charter, other companies will arise as the demand for them may appear, and the French and Americans will compete with them, if at all, at great disadvantage. There is no probability of individuals or unchartered and unsubsidijed asso- ciations supplying the Hll' tO.Ml'ANV S« — No. 3tt. — My \n\ir* of yrnti rdiiy by tlic bi';ircr oftlii*. Ill flir i-lt rlevisioii. I In-;; fo a«*iiri' you tli.it 1 tVi'l tSiif if i» mo«f (|)"*irul»li' tluit tin- projiTt shouM liavi- HU|)|iort, a» il iiiu«t provf, in my o|iinii>ii, of *in;li iiii|)ort;iiu'i' to ifn- inlirniitiotnil intt'ri'our^-t' hctwcin tli-- North AiiiiTiciiii coloiiii s, ii- aluo with tin Iniltil Stnti- :mul, who had previously loft his office. In reply to the first question, I beg to state that the returns of ships cleared from London and Liverjiool resi)ectively for New York were cum[)ilcd from the Customs official liill.« of entry. With regard to the second inquiry, I have to state that the British ship " Persian," of 1,142 tons, one of those referred to, loaded in New York in May 1852; that the rate of freight for flour by the American packets, from Ist to 15th May, was 2<. ]>er barrel; on the latter day the rate was reduced to I ji. 6 d., and the *' Persian " engaged groat part of her cargo at I «. 4 ooI by the ('unard steamer, when another steam ship wob in the berth in competition, had reference to the steamer " United States;" but I cannot give the date nor the amount of reduction, in the absence of a reply from Liverpool. I have, Ac. To the Right Hon. J. W. Henley, m. p. (signed) Thoi. H. Brtmking, &c. &c. &c. Chairman of the I'rovisional Committee. [The above letters are in reply to n private one from the late Preeklent of tiie Board of Trade, and a verbal communication from Mr. Booth to the solicitor of the coiiipauy.] I! I^' il — No. 37. — Sir, Glasgow, 15 DeceinlH-r 1852. I BEG leave respectfully to call to your reniembrdnce, that on tlie 30tii ultimo deputations from the several conimen-ial associations of this city, of (Jreenock, and of Port Glasgow, had the honour of having an interview with you at the Board of Trade, on the subject of granting a charter, with limited liability, to a com- pany proposed to be formed, under the title of the London, Liverpool, and North American Screw Steam Ship Company. I will not occupy your valuable time iu again laying before you the arguments used, and the reasons urged, against the granting a clianer as desired by this company, which on general grounds must be admittid would he very impolitic, 730. u 2 and 11 1! v^ 5,2 PAI'KKS REI.ATIN(; TO THK LONDON. LIVKUPOOL. AND anil ill llif pn-si nt pdsitiini ot tiiis coiinii y a< rci^anU tlie trade and intercoiirsie with tile United Slates and our North Aiiicrican iolniiit'!<, is certainly not neces- •i'"-}', but whieh would nioi*t niidouhtcdly check and «liscourajre |)rivati' enterprise, and would be very unjust to all those now enjiaij;td in tiiat trade. I5ut f>ince my return here 1 have received inrorination, which I consider to be of so much iniportanee, and fio directly iK'uring on the matter, that I conceive it would he a di rtliction of duty on my part, not only to Her Majesty's Guv eminent, hut also to the conimeieiai interests inv(ilv<'d in this (jmstion, not to brinp it under your notice. Mr. James Allan, an extensive and highly respectal)ie ship- owner of this city, inlorms me that a lespousihle and able party in .Montreal oHeied to the (iovernment of Canada to undertake the service recpiired for a sum of money, the precise amount of which he cannot yive me, but he believes it to be (juIv a trifle more than that aj^reed t(» be paid to the contractors iiniler whose influence ami lor whose benefit the charter now under consideration is sou|j;lit for; and lam further informed by Mr. Allan that by last mail from Canada lie has received letters from his friends expressing a hope that the con- tractors may not succeed in forminjj their company, as in that case they expect the Canadian Ciovernnieiit would fall back ujion and accept their ofl'er; for it is niideistood the contractors cannot of themselves carry out the contract they have undertaken. I beji leave, in conclusion, to state that I have further considered this subject in ail its hearings, with several gentlemen of tiie deputation, and we have very respectfully now to say, that we can discover no grounds on which the granting of .said charter could be justified; and, for the rea?o!is then and now given, I earnestly hope you will be pleased to give etlect to the ojiinions and rc(|uests of such a very large portion of the merchants and shipowners of this kingdom, who have addressed you on the subject, by finally refusing to grant the charter relerred to. 1 am, &c. 'J'o the Right Honourable J. W. Henley, >i, i*. (signed) Allan Gilmour. &e. &c. &c. — No. ;J8. — Sir, Burlington Hotel, 17 November 1852. I liEG to enclose you two notices, from which you will perceive that I had long been jireparing, upon my own responsibility, to carry out the very trade that these |)arties are now applying for an Act of incorporation, with limited liability, to enable them to form a company to oppose or ruin me. It is sixteen months since I contra«;ted for the building of these ships; they cannot be produced in u few months. If any or all of these parties enter into this trade, ujM>n their own responsibility, I shall not complain ; I know that I am always liable to such opposition, but let it be upon fair terms. There are many other houses who have ships in the same trade upon their own capital and responsibility ; there is nu lack of means for carrying on the business. The shipowner in every part of the kingdom have expressed their dis- satisfaction. A more unpopular measure was never brought under the notice of the Government. In a former communication I mentioned that this company were to get assist- ance from Canada, and also from Portland in the United States ; these aids will give them great advantages over any other party, which should satisfy them. I see by their prospectus, published in the " Times," that Mr. Peabody, an American, is one of their trustees. I am, &c. To the Right Honourable J. W. Henley, m. p. (signed) S. Cunurd, President of the Board of Trade. [The above letter was not made official until the 17th December.] v» NORTH AMERICAN SCREW STEAM SHIP COMPANY. .'.3 — No. 30. — Sir, Builinc;ton Hotel, 17 Dcceinlinr IK.'VJ. I OMi~TF.i) ycsterdiiv to beg your utteiition to a ktt<'r addressed to you from Messrs*, llicharrlson. brothers, & Co., »lated tlie Dtli iiist .,t, ot wliieli I have a .copy. Tlicy have a iniieli stronger claim to tlie charter than the (iresent iqipli- cant4, as tliey huvc been in tlie trade for two years, while the other parties have dune nothing. If tliis charter is granted, th(;re enn be no justice in refusing a charter to any applicant, for any purpose. I will take an opportunity hereafter of proving to you that my statements are all correct, althougii you have not given any ere( it to them ; and 1 think i shall also he enabled to .show that tiie statements made by interested parties injurious to me, wJiich you have received as facts, are not correct. My statements are in writing. Tlie Admiralty advertised fur tenders for this service; the contract was not given to me i)rivately, as IVequently stated. Proposals were sent in ; 1 have copy of them now before me; one of whicii wiis from thi; (ireat Western (.'omiianv. Mv otier "as only one-iialf tlie anionnt of the lowest tender of the other |>ar- ties. 1 have pel Ibrmed tii 54 FAPEHS UKLATINCJ JO THE LONDON, LIVERPOOL, AND your incnioria'istH ol ii very coniii(ltral)lL' portion of tliat tniile wliicli lias boon crciited by their iiKJustry anil lursevcrance tbroiijrli uil ililficulties and disiid- vantiifres, would not only In' im.-i unjust ainl injurious to your nu-nuirialists, but a j^reat discourugi'tncnt lo all future private enterprise. That the granting (il'such a eiiarter is not called lor by any public necessity at the present time, and theri- can lie no doubt that if your memorialists and others engaged in hliipping are not discouraged (as they will be if such a charter as the one sought for is granted), an almost unlimited amount of capital will in a few years be iiivistcd iii senw and other steam ships tu trade between thij country nnd North Ann rica. That it is only by tncouragiiig irer iiud unprivileged competition betwcei: shipowuci-s, nolfavouriui; one class or body more than anoth< r, that this country can continue to experience the benefit of a slil'. further extension of nautical science, and '.«♦' siiccessive nuehunical imp) uvem-Jiits connected with steam ships, and shipbuilding g;nerally, such as of late yea..? have contributed so much to the public convenience and advantage. Your memorialists thenfore humbly pray that your Himourable Ijoard will not grant a charter, with limited liability, to the London, Liverpool, and North American Screw Steaiu Ship Company. And your memorialists will ever pray, &c. (signed) James Poole & Co. Potter, Brothers. Thomas Chitton. Thomas Chapman. James Beadle. W. J. Merens. James Beazley. Andrew Byrne & Co. Baruchiam, Makin, & Co. Brice, Friend, k Co. D. and J. Macdonald. William Barber. Edward Bates. Robinson &. Girvin. .Tohn Long ton. James Brown & Co. William Ford & Son. James Gardiner. John Jones. Preston & Watson. Jamicsoii, Brothers, & Co. William and James Tyrer. Muir, Morton, & Co. Imvie and Tomlinson. Thomas and J. Brockelbank. Bolds & Co. Hat ton & Cookson. William Janus & Son. Henry Contrough 8t Co. Willis & Co. Thomas Harrison & Co. Farnworth & Jardine. Kelso & Dowie. P. U. xMagee. L. H. Macintyre & Co. James iJi^liam. J. Prowse. Jun. Thomas K. Shallcross. Henry C. CJhapman. Thomas Rimmer & Son. John Jardine. John Swire & Sons. Charles Moore k Co. Lamport & Holt. Mackay & Miller. Joseph Robinson. Pilkington & Intron. Wilson and Dawson. P. p. Ritchie, Mackay & Co., John Ritchie. Cato Miller & Co. Douglas Hi Westcott. William .Marwood. Samuel Wakeham. J. S. Strong. R. Singlehurst & Co. Frederick H. Powell. John Setty. Jones, Palmer k Co. George Kendall & Son. Henry Cuming. James Logan k Co. W. B. Boadle. James Baiues & Co. Jos, Mondel. William Coltartson k Co. Clint & Co. W. and R. Grindlay, Brooke & Worthington. Thomas lloydon, Peter Chaloner, Sons, k Co. James Levingston. Samuel M'Gill. M'Nair k Dutton. Ulric John Anderson. Richard Uowlinson. Matthew Clover & Co. William Stephenson. [Received from Mr. Turner, m.p.] 1t<* NORTH AMKUKAN SCREW STEAM SHIP COM PAW. 55 — No. 41.— I.dnilnii, l.i rpool. iiml North .Vnii rii-,iii Scrrw Steam Sliip Coinpanv. Sir. 11. l,('ii(lciili;i!l-sirf('t. 17 D.-ceiiilxT 18.">'2. In sciiULiice to flic lottcr fliat i had flic liomuir to achln-s to you on llic 15th iiiKtaiir, I now hcij leave to convey to you the iollnwiu}; copy of a despatch received this altcrnot ii liy tcleiirapli, from Mr. Uolieit biiuoiit of i-iverpool, who made a >tatciiictit to you (ui the 11th in>t!tiit res|nrtiu0 I'Al'ERS HKIwVriNU TO THK L( NDON, LIVERPOOL, AND 1 iiiiii-t iidiiiit t!iat tlif trade iioin flie port of Lniidon to North America is • liitfly liirricd on liy l'jni<;ii sliij)*; llierc iirc .-LViral regiiliir lines of American ships,' (nil.racin;; a v.rv lati-c jMirtioii of tiic! traflic and passe nfrers. 'J ho siiips coitiposinj; each li'ie iire owned liy one mercantile hous.- in tlie Unit»'d States, the indivithial par'.iifiri of uhieli arc jointly and severally liable for all engage- ments. It is to he regretted that so large a portion of the trade of this great com- mercial eitv shoidd he carried on hy foreign sln"ps; hut nniy it not he asked- why thesr' patriot e g<'ntlemen iiave allowed such a state of iiings to exist for' :I0 years, to the great injury of I'leir country ? Should it he said that English merchants do not nndi r.»tand how to conduct their ati'airs so as to enahle them to compete with foreijiners ? Why have not thes; a|)j)lieants estaiili-;hed similar lines of Hritith sh ps ? They have not done so, hut have allowed the foreigner to monopolise the tn de at their own door sill; tin; reason is very obvious; they' had not iMiflicient s|)irit or confidence in their own management to risk their money, but are ro« ready isnd willing to nndertakt the whoh; frade, em- bracing, as they sate in tJieir i)rospeclus, 3,HOO,000 t( us of shii;|)ing ann.wally, the money being ])rovideil for them by the sale of shares of 20/. each, with limited liability; the outlay of the directors of their scheme may be much more than covered by their commission for management. These gentlemen are entitled to no consideration; tliey have originated nothing, they have risked nothing; but they have, by their own showing, allowed the trade at their own door to be occupied and carrit.'d on by foreignijrs, and they now have tiie u «desty to ask for privileges to enable them to go into a trade that is now being carried on by seicral other parties at their own cost and ri^k. They do not own a single steam ship, neither have they tme in the course of tciistrnction ; they are waiting to obtain exclusive privileges to enable them to go on the Stock Exchange and elsewhere to dispose of stock to raise tlie liioney. I have Iiad to contend, not only against individual Americans, but against the American (iovernment, who have doubled the subsidy to their contractors to enable them to drive me off the lino, and we have incurred a frightful expenditure in building powerful sl)ii)s to meet this competition, which may in the en'' lead to the ruin of myself and partners Great ships of this kind are too costly t'^ run, except with the mails, and will b(( valueless at the end of Jie contract, 1 have not looked on (juietly, as tliese worthy gentlemen have done. They state that I receive a subsidy, but it is not correct. Our screw steam shi|)s have nothing to do with the mail service ; they were built for other pur- poses. So soon as I found that a railroad was to be constructed to connect iVIontreal with Portland, in the United States, I was aware that a large portion of the goods for Canada would go in that direction, and we inmiediately made arrangements to build screw steam ships to meet the change in the trade. We commenced building nearly two years ago. One ship of 1,.500 tons has already left, and another of the same size is now loading at Liverpool, and four others will be ready to follow in sticcession. 1 did not wait until foreign ships had occupied the ground, as these active merchants have done, but I took the initiative, and am prepared to exiv-nd the trade :o Portland and to other places with British steam ships. There are many other persons owning screw steam ships in the same trade proposed to be absorbed by these gentlemen. In their communications with the Board of Trade, they have animadverted with much asperity upon the arrangements made with me for the conveyance of the mails. It may therefore not be out of place to refer to the origin of that transaction. The mails were formerly carried by the old 10-gun brigs, at a cost of 4(»,0<)0/. a year, and the frequent loss of many valuable lives. The Clovernment were pressed to adopt some better mode. The Adniralty advertised for lenders; two were sent in, but the terms wero so exorbitrnt that the Admiralty hesitated to accept either. About that time I came to England for the express purpose of laying before the Government a plan for the performance of this service; my plan was approved of. I agreed to do the_ service for one-half the sum of" the lowest offer thit had been made. Arrangements were subsequently made for increas- ing the number of voyages and the j)ower of steam ships ; in each arrangement, the ^'*> NOUTII AMERICAN SCRKNV STKAM SIMP COMPANY, •)/ the ii(lviintiii;i- of tlif (it)V(i-niiHiit Wiis wtll iittiinlitl to. Tlic low.^t tiMidcr WU8 for (j:»,(M)u/. a year for I'J voyii^i-s with vcs-tl- of Jio to .Too licn-c |k)W(t. If! .J vovajji's ro-t .l.'i.ooo/.. 5J v()y;ii:i'S will cd-t - I rccfivf for .'>2 vovatrc-^, wiili -liiiK from Too (o 1,000 li()r> power --------- it:;, 000 t:. liis,iit;ti'imi ships lin* liecn (M|iiril to f!i • iiioiii y paid to iii<'. hc-idc >axiti>r -10, ()()()/. u yrai', the oo-if of sailiiijj tiii' old s!iip«, and fiirni-liiiiy .1 rt'j;,idar wccktv C'liiiiniiriica- fioii instead of an uncertain iMontld;,' eoninniniealioii. Isi there anvtiiinf; in this tran:^aei;on that shonhi jnstify the (ioNcrnnn lit in sfttinp; up a party, l)\ j;iviii<; thein this charter, wlin-ie avowed ohji'ct is to ruin me, but wlio are afraid to risk tli^ir own money .' As I have eiideavonrod to do my y confine their oj)erations to this object; but if tiiey were to get a charter for that service alone, they wouiu .-;>ou find tlie uay to expand ♦heir speculation:" uiuh.r it. Tile power and pupoitip* of the screw have only recently been ascertained. There will be plenty of scr- w ste:im ships in the trau" to ('aiiada liefore long, and these contractors may consider themselves very f(/rtunat(! in obtaining so gnat an advantage as "24,000/. I must beg to call your a'teiitiou to the petitions from the shipowners from every part of the kingdo.n against tiiis charter. Mr. Gilmour stated to Mr. Henley that he alone owned .")((,000 tons of shipping in the Canada trade, and that he would be greatly injured by the charter. No |uiident mercliant will endiark his money in a trade to compote witii a chartered company, with limited liability; they possess the power to drive all otiicrs oft", ar.d then enjoy a monopoly. I remain, iScc. To the Right Hon. Edward Cardwell, (signed) S. Cunard. President Board of Trade. i ■■*'■ M i >3; 'tRvm i I in S3 "y m Enclosure in No. 43. Tuesday, Dkcember 7. — Schew Steam CoMMrNicATioN with Nohth Amkiiu a. The r;|)cccl' of Jlr. W. IJrown, .m. p., in the House, on Tuesday, on this question, will be read with much interest. He is an undoubted authority in coniraerciiil matters ; and the arjifumenta lie ii'ivaneed come with additional force from him on many accounts, not the lea.st iin|M)rtaiit of ■vhich is that he has always been an able and consistent opponent of the iirinciplc agaiii't which he is no', tontending. Long before the Collins' or any other steam-uout crofscd the Atlantic, he placed himself in this position. It will be remembered that, when the Ihuik of 730. H Liverpool I ;i i. V'a 5« l'Al'KI<> KKLATINCi TO THE LONDON. LlVKIllOOl., AND I ■^^'- \%\ 4 Li\«r|i<.nl wii.- cnnKiiiiilMtfii, 11 ili'|.iitiitiiiii, i.r wliirh lie wan cliulrnmn, wa-^ wnt to c.ihUt with tilt; lliiiik I.I MiiiuliiM. T oil ill.' nilijr.t. It »il« tliiir ill^iM^■tl that tli.'V i-liolllil fiulrnxoiir tu ol.laiii ill.' -111. M of limit. .1 hal.ililv. Mr. Itinwii Mr..ii^'lv .i|i|...-.-.l jU.'Ii a .•oiin*.-. ui|.| .-ulwo- (ju.iilU willi.ir.u lr..ni tlif .•..MtrriiiiT, I..1I..W..I l.y tlic ^.'.iiil.iii.ii wii.. Iia.l accoiiii.atiir.l him. ' I In- iii.t tlii.l lio liii« .•.sitiiiiKMl .■..ii.-i.-liiilU t.' a.iopt tli.' «imo line of i>r<.<-.Tdiii.,', Hulli.i. iilK |.r..\i- tliat lie o|i|..i^<« tli.- |iriii(i|il.- ..f limit.il lial'ility fr..iii a firm lii'll. f tl.at it i» iiiijii-t all. I wri.n;;. _ i . i . .Mr. nr..«i. n.-c t.. ihom' t'.ir c.'i.ii- o<':>ll n|)|)liciilioii.' iniiilp by tlic London, Livci^Hxd, nnd North Aiiiiri.aii .S.ii« Miiiiii ."^lii|i (' pinv to tlu- J!..aid ..) rriiil.' tor a tdiartiT, anil of all cx.ri.-|.oiid(iic. Iiilwf.ii tlic .sii.l .'..iiiliaiiN ami till- l{..ard ..t Tiailc .>ii t!ic .sulijoot tlitr(i..r; nil. I .il all I. lit iK, mtiMoiials, ami ..tlit"r .'011111111111. all. m- rffilMii l.v tlir lit.anl ot I'ra.li' tr.im otii.r iLr?-.'!.', . iiiii|iaiilii-. au.l !ir-^.i.'ii'.ti.)ii> rtiatiii^ In ,«ucli a)ii)ri.'atl..li. 'I'lic I loiipiiraldf (itnllii.iaiilul.i; war >iiy iiii|.i rli itlv lif.ii.l) dlL-trx. li, that his m..ti.>n i.rouc ..lit ..fa (iriing that lMill^ti.■^,• iiii;:lit h.' li'oii.' in f..m'<'.|iU'ii.T of an a|i|)lifatii.ii which had hccn limdc t', iIm' Boar.l ii( Tra.lc l>v llic London, L vcriiool, anil .North .Viiicriuitn Screw .StL'iun Ship Compuny to .'laiit thtin 1 I'hartcr. liniltiiiff the intiisidiial 11 d.illty of the idiarchiddcrs. 'I'hosi: on whoKc iMlialrlie -poke, eontiltierin^' that tliis would lie a ..ly d«n}{eroii!< preeedcnt, i-ou^'ht no mich i>ri\ile;:.- Uit thcni:^t hen. Iliey considered that it w. iild heailireet iiiterfcrenet! with private ciitcrpri-c, aiitl a ilircct violation lA' the priiuipK' that unrestrictctl ctinipetition shonld lie tlie poliiN ornatioiH. They tlecnied it tithe most lm|i(irtant that the (loverninent should not f:rant to one class of her Miyesty's snhjects ]irivile);es which were not eiijoyotl by all, when no necessity Hiis niatle out liir sut h a course. It could n..t lie tlenied that un immense lunoiiiit of the >liipj>inolised. Already sert:w steiini ships wen; tratlin^, and many tithers w.'i-e lieliifT hnilt for the purpose of earrying it on. (,'uiiard's line alone lia.l several vessels of li.is tlescriptiim on the stocks, and nor.e of these soufjht any exclusive benefits or j)rivilej;e.'(. ills Mews n|i..n this subject were fully set liirti. in a memorial from the shijiowners of Liver- pool to the Itoaiil of Jriide. The llinourable .Member then proceeded to state his surjirise tliiii a liMiiker, one of the Honourable .M. iiilieis ft); the city of Lonilon. had oceompiinieil t!ie dei.utatit.n who were seekinj; to obtain for their eompaiiy liniiteil liabilitv. He presuineil it was lilt rely to introtluce his constituents to the Ui^lit Honourable the I'resiilent of the Board of Tra.ie. lor m. inaii knew better than he (Mr. Masteriimii) if a joint stock cumpany wishetl to open an account with a London banker, il' he found coniici ted with it men ..f great wealtliand resjiectahility, who were regp.msible for the whole amount of their tin-tiinea, ure was no dilliciilty ; but, let the very same men lie united in a joint-stock company with limited liability, and seek to do business with them, prudence would make him view the account very ditlerenlly. He thought it wouhl not be disputed that joint-stock "impanics riecessarily carried on their business more expensively, and with le.ss economy than private iiidividuals, and, where they were ciiartcretl with limited liability, in any trade, they dis- Couragetl private competition. Ai«i what was the effect? H'thcy were successful, the public must pay more for their services; if they were not able to pay their debts, their creditors must snller, as they had no claim on the private fiirtunes of the partners. As credit was one of the elements of the ]iowcr and greatness of this country, anything that iin))aired it in the least was a positive injury to the State. Here, with the exception of the Bank of England, railroads, and a fi-w marine companies, where the funds required were too large for indivlilnal means, or w here the nature of the undertaking was of great benefit to the State, but of tloubtful or tpcculative advantage to the stockholders, had charters of limited liability been granted ? Here were cases made out, but there was none lor Canada. Look ftt Fiance, where limited liability was common : the credit i>f France, compared with that of England in foreign nations, could not be spoken of in the same day. He knew, from his own experience, that, in the worst of times, bills on England, with respectable drawers, were saleable, because they had no limited liability. It was different with French bills, for they had no knowledge in foreign couniries of who the p.rtners were, or to what extent liniiteil liability would operate against us, and consetiuently they were in worse credit tliau we, and we should preserve our 'vantage ground by every means in our power, and not impair it. 'Ihere was nothing, he said, of which the House should be so jealous as the intro- duction of a system which, under the name of joint-stock cnnpanies, would interfere with the comniercial credit of this great country. He hoped, .herefbre, the President of the Board of Trade would grant the papers which he had n, ivcd for, in order that those gentle- men who considered ihat if would be unwise in Govci anient to grant the privilegts that were now iiskeil for might have an op|iortunity of seeing ou what ground they were sought, and of answering the argument that might have been pi,, forward on their behalf, which he had no doubt could be done in a manner quite satisfactory to the Government. He hoped the Government would not in this case depart from the resolution which the House had agreed to only a few nights ago, by a majority of nearly 500, that unrestricted competition Enould be the jiolicy of this country, which forbade special privileges to any compuny. It was nn important fiict. that many of the States of America, which, prior to 1837, granted charters of lin.ited ! jilily to their banks, had found them ))roductivc of such serious con- sequences that tht_, had refused to renew them on the same terms. In the State of New York they required caution money ; in some other States they made the stockholders liable for more than the amount of their stock. When these shrewd people were retracing their Bteps from known evils, he trusted this-country would not allow tna*. most important clement, credit, which had contributed so much to the prosperity of the country, tone impaired by granting charters of limited liability. At the same time he did not deny that, with places very I V :siL Ncirril AMERICAN S( Rl V STF'AM SHIP fOMPANY. 59 Tpn' rrm|i<>('iilntiv(< nn rnpitiil wh.' iniiilfi|inli- to tlic umKrtnkiiijr, hut wlii-it- it wax oC irnixulanco tc. the imtinn to liiivi :i .piiok mikI ^ifi; pwtal ('uiiiiiiuiiiciktiuii, In fiiooiiraff u law trmlf rlmrti-n' mijjht lie ^'nintiil »^ tli<' iMiiition, liut not tlic nilf. Hilt none of tlirrif roi|iiir<'iii('iit.'« wfn; iiccosi'iirv in tli,. .\,,rtli Aim ricaii tniilf. 'IlitTC WiW< iiliiili(l:iiii-i' of iiiom V M'ckiiij: (■iii|iloyiiii-iit every « lurr tlmt tin re \v:i- the leift proHiK'i't of tiiniini; it to arcoutit rveii for !i iiUMlerate return, lie mlinitlnl tlmt the IVmnl of Tnich' hiid :i clitticiilty to roiiteiKl with, where Hifh er>iitriiihi'tnrv viiw. wiro iiiipreKHOtI on the Hl^ht lloiiounihh> Prenideiit : Imt forty yeiir«' experietii-o in hinines^ hail con\inee(l him «f ttie ilanp'r thiit would uri-e tV •\ j^nintiiif^ eh!irt of limited liiihiiitv. Fur tliece roascins liu ho|ie jmlirr. For the [iresent, at anv rale, lie would resist the demand. — In the course i/f a conversation that fiiMo"- 1, .Mr. dames .Miicirreiior, ailvertiiia; to some remarks miule by Lord (jioderiL'h, deni, ' .;iat it was intended to give the company :r.y monopoly. — Mr. lirotherton and Mr. Ilume, while concurring in what had heen saiil in (ir our of the motion, advised .Mr. Hrown to withdraw it for the present. — Sir F. Daring eoiisidcic(i thiit papers, when demanded by Honourable ^lenibi rs, .ihould not be with'ield by (iovciiiment « ithout good reason. — Mr. Henley had rcfu-ed the papers simply as a mutter of coiiveMence. — Mr. K. M. Fox, Mr. V. Scully, Mr. Hudson, Mr. Koache, Mr, < '. Turm r, and o'lier Honourable Members contribiifed some remarks, which resulted in the withdrawal nf the motion. 1 t < ■ ■I — No. 44. Sir, liurliiiptoii Hotel, 12 .laniiaiy lh5;J. I HAD the lionot). to mldress a letter to you on the 9tli iiistmit; sime then I have Seen a printed statement made by the a])plieaiit« tor a chart, r. T ey persist ii! stating tliat no steamers h.ive beiii iiiiployed hetwieti l',no|and ..nd North America, e.xcept those owned hy suhsidised conipmiie.s. 1 transmitted to the beard some time ao(> a return of steamers i mployi d in that trade bv parties bavhig no allowance t'roin (Jovernnunf : 1 have not a copy of that return at hand, but I have a memorandum from whicii I can iiuiie many of the steamers so employed ; viz, : — - 1,610 toiiH. - •2,12-. „ - 2,100 „ - 3,000 ., - 1,800 „ - 1,H75 „ - 1,103 „ - 1,600 „ - 2,.-.00 „ And I have six others now coming into operation. It is well known that these vessels are owned by individuals receiving no subsidy, and wiiiiout chiirters. Itis also stated that other parties have obtained charters. If ehaiters have been improperlv granted, it is not a good reason for con.inning to grant thiin. The Roval ^iail Company, and Peninsular and Oriental C'ompany, are large concerns bevond the means of private individuals. The General Screw Company and tl • Australian Company embarked in an uncertain and untried trade, and 7iL ' H 2 tliey City of Glasgow - City of Manchester Glasgow Great Britain Sarah Sands City of Pittsburg S. S. Lewis - South Carolina Pioneer f- I \1' ' \ r.() PAl'KHS UKLATliNCi TO THK LONlJON, LIVERPOOli, AM) tlicv I'iiiiv tlif iiiiiil-; till re may liav.:- Ih'cii nood rt-iisons lor granting cliartirs to tliciii. anil to otln r-, and inorc (••.ju'tially as tlit- power of the ^crow wa?. ni»t I'lillv (livcliipi'il : now it i* well unliips would douhtle.ss soon l)e employed out of the port of London ; it onlv re<|iiires some one to set the example ; tin; projectors of this nn-a'^nre coidd then increase their stock or retire, as they phase, liaving accom- ])lish( (I the good anil patriotic objects they had in view. These gentlemen have created an unnecessary alarm, by stating that unless this charter is granted the Trench (iovernment will send steamers to London, anrj abs(.rl) all the trade. I do nut think this is likely to be the case ; but if these "•entlenien do no more for the commerce of the port of London than they appear liv theii own sliowing to have done for the jiast .10 years. I cannot see any reason why French steaniers shoidd Ik; excluded from the trade. 1 know that thesi' i tncit assiini|)tion tlint tin- iirojictiil roniiJiiny i* alumt to iinil< rtako a f^jri'at national iiilcrprisc rxjiiiriiif. a iiiiittd liouI"! and Qiebce, Liverpool and Port- laml, &c. &c. may all Ixlon;*- to ditl'erent ami ■i!ieonne<:tLd proprietors; more than that, the st'veral steamers in each line need not be all of one ownershij). The injury to the |iublic of a lim; or lines of steamers of this sort being all under one ineori)orated owiu'rsliip would be extrennlv preat. There would be no incentive to projjjrcssive improxtniient, such as would exist were the service carried on by a dozen or two of private owners or Hrms, all strivin0/., to form a monopolising scpiadroii sufficiently powerful to run down the opposition of individual enterprise. The Act could never have contemplated such a power, and I feel confident that the Board of Trade will not perpetrate such an injury on the whole shipping interest of the kingdom. Mills in Lancashin; cost 20,000/., .')0,000/., or 100,000/. each, owned by private firms; what would be thought of an application for a charter, with limited liability, from a company of pro|)rietor8 to erect mills.' Would not all the millowners unite, as the shipowners now do, in protesting against such an act of injustice to them? These applicants have made statements calculated to deceive the Hoard of Trade. They say, "There are no British steamers with which this company can com- pete, except those protected by contracts."' I sent you a return yesterday of steam ships employed between Great Britain and North America that are not protected by contracts. These parties are well aware that many screw steam ships have been employed iii the trade between this country and North America, and that many more will soon be employed. They have seen our advertisements in the papers of six additional screw steamers for several months past, and know that some of them have actually sailed. Private enterprise will do all they propose to do, and a great deal more, without the aid of these 16 directors, v, ho have left undone what they should have done, and are now grasping at that Mhich they have no just claim to, and the granting of which to hem would be a measure most injurious to the country. Private enterprise has been employed for years in clearing the way, while these gentle- men have been asleep; and private enterprise will do all they even profess to do, if not interfered with by such a charter. I remain,T&c. To the Honourable Edward Cardwell, (signed) S. Cunard. President of Board of Trade. I ■4 'is l| [Receipt acknowledged.] rso. H3 — No. 46. — ^x-^ ria I'AF>KHS KEI.ATINC TO TIIK LONDON. LI\ IJU'OOL, AND — No. 4«. — Rir, 11. Liiili'iiliall-iitrK t, l-l .Faiiiiury lN.'>:t. It i- tlimiirht l»v -"in^ iir?iiy frimiU wIhi witc prc^i'tit at ilir interview with wliieli you honoured the |ii. vi-ion.il eomniittee of the |j'.ii(hui, IJveritn..|, and Nortli Ainereun Serew Steam Shiji Company on 10»',i inst mt, that I did nut ri |)lv witl. ^uft'n !■ nt distiiirfiie-s to the |)rn|>o'iifi(in snL:;r<"^ti'il liy yo-i to the folluwiii^r (rt'ert • viz., " Tliat the f'.ict of wliieh I CMmiiiaiiied. fhif individual shipowiiers are ciMilmrne in (•oni|)etil-on h\ tlie pnwrrlnl ei>iiiliinafinii. now e,\i>liii;; in the carryin;; trad, hetwi. n Knjilaiid and New York. nii;;ht he i ryed by oiir o|»|j )nents a> a rea-^on Cor not encoiirijjiny; thi' e>»taldi»hnient ol'onr roin- i)an\. wliicli might i(|Mallv over|io\ver coinitctition 'Hi the part of individu d»." I therefore re(|ue«t voiir iM'rmission to state, -hortlv. the answer which I mteiiilei! to ^ivc to that pro|M>sili<)n. 1. 'I'liat the earrvinjr tnuh- hetweeii Lonhm and New York is at prj-seiit a htrid tnonoji'ily in ilie hands of a hody ol American owners ol sailirifj sliips, wlio eitiier enjoy, or may olitain withimf troul)h' or expense, tlie advantages of hiniled liahility ; that eompeiitioii with tltin hy indiviiiual l'iii|;li>li «ljipo>vnerH is iiijpeless : and tliat such <'uiii|)etitioii can mdy he 8up)iorted hy a company pussessin;; the hke advanta;:cH. a. Tliat tliree-loiirtlis if the anyinji trade lietweeii Livt ipool and New York is in the hatid> id'>iuiihir liodie^ ol American shijiowners, act iifr in concert, and |.ossessiiijj tlic same ndvantancs with whom comjietition hy individual Knnlish sinpowners is liojieless ; that the oliieC part ot the resiiliie of thai tradt~ is en(:rosse(l hy tiie >ieani vessels of the Collins (American) and Canard (English) lii team companies to participate in it ; and it is now impossible for any but companies with large capitals to compete with such powerful bodies for a share either of the existing amount of trade or of its annually increasing ijuantity. I have, &c. To the Right Hon. (signed) li. Carter. Edward Cardwell, m.p. &c. &c. — No. 47.— Sir, Burlington Hotel, 18 January 1853. I TAKE the liberty to enclose a New York paper of the 1st instant, from which you will see that the ships composing one line belong to different firms, and are managed by their respective owners. The captain generally owns a part of the ship he commands. The owners of these lines are among the richest houses in the United States; Grennell, Mentum, & Co. would find no difficulty in owning all le lines put together; but it is more for the advantage of all parties tliat there should be a good understanding with each other, and that tliey should unite in running their ships at fixed periods. And there is no good reason why similar lines of British ships should not have l-^ NORTH AMKKICAN SCKl.W SHAM Sllll' ( OMI'ANV ..} have 111 111 iiiiiiiiiifi lor ill' lii'«t tliirty \far«, :iiiliiitiiril to II II \iithcitMit to •ncrt lh>iii ; ill I'act, CDiniii'tiliuii xliinilu ln' iiinxurthv III '>ii|)|M>rt or aKsi-taiicr, ami slioiihl not iic ImUtirt'il ii|i hy u charti r. x^hicli wouiii ilo nil' till |ii'i-niaii> lit itcrvio'. Tht- tritih' that can not lie carrifil on hy [iiivitf indiviiliial- wit tlifirown capital nill not sniccci'd iiinltT the inaiiayr- iiii lit of a hoard of dirrctors and tin ir di|iiitirs; llir evil I'ay may lir avcite ; lor a time, lint nin^t incN it.ilily eome. 1 aJM) iin lo^e a -ii|i Iroin a New York piper, ?liowin:j llie modi adipt d ol pnhli-hiii^ limited partinri'hips. I iKi not think that l.irui tiring- adopt tlir. plan, but I am not !2. (signed) Jamrt H'iUr, Jun. John S. mide. Frrderich S. Kirtland. Geori/f It. De. Furest. Benjamin H. Pitrce. Samuel Lord. Place of buiiineee, 64, Massau-dtreot. s fe Renewal of Limited Partnehsuip. In pursuance of the revised Statutes of the State of New York, notice is herehy priveii by the subscribers, that they have renewed and continued the limited partnership heretoibre existing between them, under the name of J. D. Price, in the business of buying and selling merchandise, manufacturing and selling of clothing, and conducting the tailoring business in all its branches, in the city of New Y%)rk. The sub-criher, . I esse D. Price, who re,-ides in the city and county of New Y^ork, continues interested in said partnership as general partner, and Silas B. Hamilton, whose place of residence is in the city and county of Alliaiiy. and State of New York, continues interested in said partnership as the special piirtner, having contributed to the co-partnership now renewed and continued, the sum ot 15,( (10 dollars of capital to the common stock, in cash, and which sum has not been inifiaired or withdrawn thereirom. The renewal of said partnership is to commence on the IS h day el l)ereniber 1852, and to continue until the 1st day of January 1857. Made and signed by the said parties, at the city of New York, the 13th day of December, in the year 1852. (signed) Jtsse D. Price. Silas B. Uamiltun. I. I! H 730. H4 Notice ^^"» t\4 I'AI'KIIS UIW.ATINfi TO IHK LONDON, LIVKKI'OOL, AM) NoTirK ot I)i*-M>i,i Ti(i\. Thk |Nirtticn'i>ii»riit Mr. Ivluanl S. (inulil rctirin;;. 'Ilii' ri'iiiiiiiiiii<; liiiKiiicKM of tlif li(iii>«- will l)i< hcuIiiI Ii_v llicir HiiiTeiimin*, Mt'»i*ri<. liuhriN-k & Itrowii, 2i>, I'iirk-pliK't'. DaU-il City of New Vork, NovemlHir ai», iH'ti. (i«ignt'i|| /'mil llii/jioik. h'llirrinl S. (louhi, Jnmrt K. Uruirn. LlMITKD I'aIITMKHmIIII-. TiiK iindirsigncil liiivo tlii^ diiy t'irineirtii('r:>lii|), |iiir8iuiiit tn llic rcvincd .Staluti'H of New York, to lie roiidiiotc-d iiiidrr tlif firm nr iiiiiiiL' of Ilahrock & Urowii. The Uciicnd imtiirc oC llu> l)iHiiK-r' is llic ^'i-nural ciotli mid dry >,'o city of New York. The fjT'iicral piirtiiKis arc raiil HiihiKKk, who ruHidcH in the oily of New York, .lamcn K. Mrowii, who iisidc.t ill the city of Urookljii, and Cliarlen I). IJahi-ock, who nnidi;!) at I'arin (Franco). The i-itccial jmrlncr is Frederick Ciiiininghum, who reside.t in tlie city of New York, who, iif< -aieh Hiiccial |mrtiier, \m* ccmtrilmted to the common stock tlie niiiii of ,>0,()(l(» dollars in r.u-h, actually anil in f;ooii fiiith paid in. The |)artiicrshi|) will commence on the 2!Hl« of Novomlter, A.i>. IH.'iU, and will terminate on the 2!)tli of November, a.i>. 1«,07. Dated City of New York, NoTcmlier 2l>, 18.'»2. (.ligncd) I'm I HiibriH'k. Ji.mm !•], Ilriiwn. ('hn». H. Jliibrork. (Ily Paid Habcock, Attorney.) Freilerifh Ciiniiiiigham. No. 48. Sir, (ilasgow, ]8,Iunii!iry 18r>3. IIavinci oliscrvcd l)y tin- "Tiiurs" iic\vs])a|»t'r that tin- ilinrtors of t!u> London, liivci'pool, anti North Aiiu'ripaii >Sor< •., .Sttaiii Ship Company havo recently liad an interview witli yon at tlie Board of Trade, and jiresiiniint!; that their olijeet was (o eoMtinue or renew their ai)j>liL'ation for a charter of incorporation, liinitiiifr the [iattility of shareholders to the amount of their respective shares, \ consider it my duty, as representative of the dc])utations of the sever.d commercial associations of tiiis city, and of the magistrates, merchants, and shipowner.^ and others of (ireenock and Port («lasf>ow, that on the HOtli Nov«'nd»er hist had an inttTview witii yonr predecessor, the Rii iilloril til |mv till" rati' of |»;L«>a^r-iiniin y l>y *f»aiiii i» umilil «fill |nii4-tii| it- at Itnx'iit liy tlif I'liitiil Stall"*, aiiil ii* llir iia-xiitri'-nioiii'v Cur tlic (;rriiir«t iiiiiiilicr of till' I'liii^raiiN l>y «ailiiiv: vi-i-ds, incliiiliii^ |ii°t>vi^ii)ii>, watrr, iiiiMliriiir.4, 4to. ii.r., iifci^s'iry f'lir llir \in'l)rr. ilo imi in ;i|| aiiioiitil on till' avi ni};r to iiinrr tliaii 70 .v. I'm- an ailiiit, ami in niaiiv ca-i'H li-^-*, it caniKit III' •iaiil tliin- is any cYtnivaKanci- or room tor iliiliirtioii in tfia' -iini. ^ oil arc no ilonlil awari' that Miinr of tlir ilin-ctoi^ ut' this coinpaiiv h:i>f «>nltalili^h a lim- of 8tiaiin'ii« to run lirtwri-n thi!« foiiiitry ami (^ih-Iht, ami for which x-rsicc llu* roin|)aiiy i-- to rrivivr a iarjfr >iili-, ami al-o i'.\i-in|i- tion from |iayimiif of li;jhts. anil othrr ]irovincial ilius in tin- MisrrSt. Liw nci-; tlii'M', I iiniiir-^taml, hIH hi- aiiipli- ami siiHiiinit nnmiu'ration for thr Sfrviccs to lit- |M'rforim'(l : ami in proof of thi<, I am infornnil that other pai'tiis in Canada, who u,a\i- a l( iiilci or utltr for saiil contiiut, air now willing to umhrtaki! tlur Works withiiiit any charlfi' or |»riviii')ri' irnni this coiintrv, as tin- nicliwcil , ny K'tti-r, which I aihliiT.s«'il to the Ki^rht hommrahh' Mr. Ilcnicy, will iiiorc fully cxnliiin, ami to which I iiov,' solicit your attention. I'liis contract with the ('anailiaii (iDverniiiciit, yon will lie jileaseil to olMcrve, was voluntarily iimlertakeii for ii consiileration, as 1 have already detailed, without reference to any charter or privihjic from this eiMiiitry. The service r-'ipiired wits fully descriiud and explained, the nnuiiu'ratioii or payment for w'lich liHvin(r been finally adjusted hetwcen the parties, the contnict was accoriliii<;ly concliidccl. If the people of Canada consider that in theii altered position it is neei-^sary for their interests to have steam conimuiiicatioii from (jiiehee direct to this wiiintry, and if the (■uvernineiit of that colony is willing to pay a certain sum to have tin- service carried out as they may reipiire it, 1 at once admit, 1 have no ri|riit to ohject to that ; hut when 1 find that in aildition to the grant of a certain sum of money, thme is also the exemption from payment of lij^hts, and other provincial (lues, including, 1 presume, the tax of 5,s. on each passenger, I maintain that, a Bhipowner, and a merchant largely interested in the carrying and in the internal trade of (Januda, I have a just right to complain. I am interested in very exteii- Hive estahlishments, hotli in (^>uel)ec and Montreal, in (;oiinexion witli many others in the interior of the province on the Ottawa Hiver, as well as on the shores of Jjuke Ontario; and it may not he iinju°o|)er further to state that the house lui^e with which I am connected is niere largely engaged in the carryini; i..;l • with Canada than any other in the kingdom. I hud tlitit on the average of th>; i.i-,t three years we have had of our own ships in that trade, in iiumher 40, and of the register tonnage of 40,37.1 tons, or aliout an eleventh ])art of the average annual tonnage of llu- whole trade of (^iieliec, and its by recent legislat-'ii our trade has been thrown open to all thi; world, we had prepared ourselves as well as we could to face fair and eijuul competition ; hut we are certainly ii t ;.repari'd, and will be cpiitir iinalile to compete with any company such as that now under consideration, with the advantages and privileges which by contract with the Canadian (lovern- ment have Iteen already secured, and with tin; protection w hicli the charter now applied for would iimpiestionably give. 1 have to state that none of our firm is, either directly or indirectly, intertsted in steam vesst^ls, and that wi* are not in any way connected with any chartered or subsidised shipping company. l""or the foregoing, and other reasons that might with great pro|)riety be urged, 1 earnestly entreat, on l)ehalf of the dejmtations 1 have already referred to, on my own behalf, and that of the several establishments in tlii.s country and in Canada with which I am connected, and on behalf of the shipping interests of tiiis country, that Her Majesty's Government will be pleased not to grant any charter limiting the lial)ilit,y of shareholders in shipping companies, or to give any privilege or protection over ^ 1^ those engaged in the trade with North America. To the Right Honourable Edward Cardwell, I'resideut of the Board of Trade, London. I have, &c. (signed) Allan Gtlmoitr. . I t I ■i) I ft I 11 7.3, lias r(lin. ' I 2 The f ■ f .1 ^, l^«\ oK PAPKRS RKr.ATLMJ TO TIIK LONDON, LIVKHPOOL AM) The prDfiiictt'd dtl.iy that ha!« occurred has caused the expenditure ot" a v«»ry larf^e sum of inr>iify l)y the jirovisiorial cotiiniittee in advcrtisemiiits and other expenses, and it is liceoiiiinL; <»!' serious importance to tiie contractor with tlie Canadian CJovernmeiit, who ou'^iit to Ite prepared to comnience that service in April next. Tlie wiioU- of our slia-es have heen applied for, hut we have dehiycd allotting Iheni until tlie charter should he ohtained ; in the altered state of the money market, it is mtt irnjirohahle tiia» some of the applicants may desin; to withdniw, ann Iiy tin- la vport, tliiit tl.c steam c()rn]K»iii(s suliscriMiif;; to the urisoiMiilion aiv, witli oiio (Xfi'pM'iiii, ((la-tiiijj coiii|jai»iis, aixl tliat exception. iiaJiiely, "The IViiiii'^iihir and Oriental,'' has a ch.trter, anil none of the roni|iaiiies ran he art'iet<'(l l)y the present npplieation ; it is therefore ililli- c:iilt to see upon wliat liroiiiids tlieir opposition can he l)aseii. I am, &e. (sienod) Hubert lAiwont. To the Ni'j;lit Hon. Kdward Ca well, m.p., President of the iJouril of Truik-. Enelosiirc 1. in No. ."il. Statf.MKNT of (llijoctioiii! on tlie part of the St( uin SliiiiowiuT^' Asi^ocintioii of London to the Concession of n ("liiirter of liK'oqxinitidn to tlie North of Kuro|)e Steam N'livigation Company. IFiTHKHTo the I'mard oi' Trade in ;;r:inlinfr cliiirtors of incorporation to steani shipping conijianii'S, linve limited the concession to castt* wliire. from tiic niaLTiiitudc of tlic int< qirisc, the remoteness of the sphere of its operations, its novellv, or its douulfiil pros|i(rts as a coni- incrcirtl speculation, it wonld he ini]iossilile to inihii-e the pulilic, iinKss jirwteetcd hy a !':init(d liahiiity, to emhark their ciijiitai in it. The Peninsular and nrieiitah iIm- li'oyal M:.ih the Paeitic. luid (ieneral Screw (oinpaiucs are in-lan<'cs of this. 'J'li.' Anrlh of I'.iiiopi' Steam Ka\ipilion Company .illi;:e none it'lhi'se i;ri' rids (or a ■ Imilar co:.cis>;iiin to ihcni. nor docii there appear tiirnu^ho\it the whole of ti;iir stati ini nt a siii;i;estion of any special advantage likely to iic<'rne to :he juilihc from sticii u conce-sinn, whicli is not tdready in a great nuusure enjoved, cj.cept peririps il l)e ;jreater (xpeilllioii in tl.i' mean-' of transit. At |)r(sent the steam vessels trafhiii; l)ci\ve( n 1 larlkimol, llnll and London, nnd the North of lunvipe, snpply nearly as in, r. cut means of comniinnnication as that proposed: and now that the railways connecting' the e;;-lern ports -.villi the interior of the conntry an' completed, iirjthiiijj prevents the extinsion and improvement of that intercourse hut the apprehension of a competition upon unecpial terms. C])on this (rrnnnd alone, then, the ahsence of any sinii- liirity hetween the cases of the North of Kurope (.'om[inny nnd those in which siidi a pri- vilege hiis already been conceded, it is snhmitted that u charter should not he granted tt» that company. Were those' cases, however, in any respect alike, there would he mi ohjection to such a concession to the North of Kurope Company, owing to the ])oeuliar circumstauccs under which they come before tiie public. They purpose tratliiig on lines which ari^ for the most part already j)reoecupied, and that liy parties the Tuajority o'' wiiom arc unprotected by limited liability. They avow their intimate connexion with railway companies, and there can be no doubt that if a charter bo gniiitcd to them, their projirietary will be com[ioscd chielly of the shareholders of the liirmcr. Assumi'ig this, on their own admission, to bo their intention, there will be n( 'Jiing to prevent their a .opting the same ineans for extinguishing eom[)ctitlon, which experience shows has been so snceessfully employed by railway com- piuiics. Composed as the company will be, mainly of railway slianholilers, with a largo capital raised by means of the advantages conferred hy their limited liability, and protected aa they will he by that limitation, it will be their policy for a while to carry at rates so iinreinunerativc, that competition by independent and improlccted Hlii]io»ner.s will be impos- sible; these will inevitably he driven off the lines wdiich they now occupy, and from which they have no power of excludin'j others, and when this result shall have been achieved, it will be competent to the North of Europe Ce:iipany to raise their rates to r. point beyond a iair renmneration, to the manifest detriment of the public. It may be said that competition would in that case be resumed, but experience ha.s shown that to be out of the question, when the process of extinction can be so readily repeatcid. On this ground aiso, it is submitted that even if the character of their enterprise came within the description of those in which charters have been granted, such a concession should not he made to the North of Europe tSteam Company. In this second objection it has been assumed that, beyond the fact of the identity' of the shareholders in the steam company with those of the railway companies, there will be no connexion between the respective companies. It. is material, however, to observe, that in the statement of the North of Europe Company it is avowed that the minle by which the estab- lishment of the [irojected scheme is to be ell'ected \ull be by an undertaking on the part of the radway companies to guarantee ^o the steam company a five |)cr cent, dividend ; and they further state that their object will be attained " by a combined arrangement amongst all the iiriiielpal railroads interested directly or indirectly in the contcmplateil tr.'iiMc, to sacrifice tlieir interests as carriers, for a lime, to the interests of the steai;. company, wh.o would require to see a prospect of a divideiut bi'ibro entering into th.e scheme: .--Mch an arraiigenient is to be made only by means of a consolidation of the various interests in one body." Not con- tent with the power with wh.ch a cliarter would invent t'lcm, and which woidd enable thetn legally to put down couijietilion. they admit their intention, If ihcir application be granted, of entering into an illegal oombJuution with nulway companies for that purpose : but the ! a i fi ::i rj*J. 1 .J aucccsi \'V^ R 1=1: 70 PAI'EUS |{n..VnN(i TO THK LONDON, LIVKRPOOL, AM) miocfSB t)f tluiir |ir(ijict llicy inonoiineo to In' iI.|m nii'iit ii|ioii ilu;ir obtuiniii;,' a cliurtor of iiiciir[Hir!iti(iti. 'I'll!' illiKiililv of'tlu' |iri.])()-c.| .•irnin^ii'iiicnt with llic rnllway roiiip.'itii.^ on tlic [art of tin: ilitcniiiil Stiatii riii'kil ('oiii|iiiTi_v, Imm aliviuly Ittfri divided liy tin: l.itr .Mii-lrr of llic Ivull^i, Jiord J ,!iii;.'dalr, in two aliiio^ranalou'oiiH vi\^f* witli tlir piociit, in wliiili tin.' Kajtcrii CdiiiitiiN iTailwny Coiiiiiaiiy, and the l-oiidoii, l!i!;:l.toii, ami South (,'oiwt liiiilway Coinjiftny 8011>,'llt t(i ooniirct iIhiiihIvcs willi ^ti IIMI colii|i:il]l<.-. Ill the fir.-t cil' tlii'i; ca-iL-i, tin' l-.a^tcni ('oiirilicM Kail • ('otiil>aiiy, coi.cciviiij; tliat it would add to tliu tratile and protit of tii<' railway if a Hlcaiii jiarkct coiiiputiy could K; tornicil cominuiiicatin^' lictwccii llarwicli and tiio nortlnrii partt ol 'rope, projictcd 11 company, called, " 'i'lic Harwich St(ani Packet rcpinpany,," jiiiil \i- ho .:d of scitlenicnt which was iircpanil for its eoii.-titution, p ivideo:|ilicil for i:* to inilticc the piililic to (•iiihark tlnir capital in the iiiiilcrlakiiion railway Companies ; and until tlie Lej;i?laturi; interfere, it is sniimilled that no privi'i'}»e should he conferred which would have the eliect of .-auctioning an anial^'amntion of railway and stcani-lie Steam Navii,'ation Company. Steam Shipowners' Association, liondon, 9 dune IH-W. Eiidosiiiv 2, ill N'i>. 51. fiKNEIlAL AsSon.XTION OK I'noriilETORS OK Steam SiiirriNii, lS-t8. Chainnan, Wdi.veuli-.y Attwooj), Es(|, Members of Cnmraittce elected by Subscribers at (Jeneral Mectii'j;. Joseph Adams, r..;,j. Arthur Ander-'on, Ksq., M.r. Francis Carlotoii, Esij. Captain Uivett Carnac, 11. x. James Hartley. Ks([. J. A. Bolder, Esq. William Watson, Esq. Members of ('onimittee nominated as Repre- sentatives of Compiinie-s. ■William J. Hall, Esq Georfjc Lunell, Esq. Captain A. Nairne. Ivlii'iiezer Pike, E.-^q. C. Vv. Williams. Es(|. •John Wilson, Es(j. i The following is the List of the Companies subscribing^ to the Association: The Alloa, Stirling;, and Kincardine Steam Navigaticm Company. The Bristol Ste.am Navijjation Company. The Piriti.-h and Irish Steam N.ivii;alii.r. Com])any. TliC "Brunswick" Steam Packet Com- pany. The City of Dublin Steam Navigation Company. The Cork Stc.ini Ship Company. The Dublin and Glasgow Steam Shipping Corp.puny. The Dundalk Steam Packet Company. The Edinburgh and Dundee Steam P.ackct Company. The General Steam Navigation Company. The Heme Bay Steam Packet Company, The Hull and. Ilambro' "Rob Roy" Steam Packet Company. The llidl Meant Packet Company. Tho lli'.ii and Ecith Steam Packet Com- The London, Ijcith, Edinhro', and Glas- gow Steam Packet Company. The Newcastle Steam Packet Company. The Norfolk Steam Packet Company. The Owner of the " Hercules " and " Emerald Isle "' Stcimcrs. The Owner of tho " Lady Sale " and " Erin's (iuecn." The Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navi- gation Coin])any. The Waterford Steam Navigation Com- pany. The Whitehaven Steam Xavigation Com- pany. Rei'oht. 28 February 1848. It is with much satisfaction that the committee of the Association of Proprietors of Steam Shipping snlanit at this, their annual general meeting, a report of their proceedings, together V, iili a stati ineiit of their receipts and e.xpeudilui'c tiir the ]iast year. Amongst liio many iinpoilant sulijects wliiili during that time have eng.tgcd their atten- tion, Jiuno have appLarcd of more scrioti.s moiuent to the .-leaui :>iiipping interest than tho attempts, on the part ol railway eonqianies, to obtain powers enabling them to become ship- owners. To those who have giveu the question the least consideration it must be evident, ^) ^ V'^ m 72 TAlMillS HKLATING TO TilK UhN'DOX M\KKI'OOL, AND tlmt tliu concw«i(in ufuuvHucli |(<>n(!rrt in any oiiu iimtuixo wouM, so I'.ir im i-c;,'iip1.s tlic triuJo tlii'ii lij DTK'iK (1 to niiv iiiirtii'iiliir r.iilwav ciiiii|.an_i', nl' iifLTssity cMiu^'iiii"!! i'(iiiij)c(ili(iii ; iiiitliir ^lll|.|liliL; I iiiii|i:iiiic^, Mill- iiiilividiiiili', lialilc iis tliiy :ir<' to tlit tniiiiMXIi:ia ol (lioir lortuiica, ami jiu.-.-i .--td too ol roiii|>niativily sii yt. capital, roiilil j".--ilily coi.tciiil rtiirn .--tiilly V itli a railway i'oiiipauy, liicktil I'V it-i laii,'i^ rcjoiiic:'^, [in.trii i by ii, limiiid lialnliiy, ami fciiiiKuvintl to char;;!' titln/ on h.-, ii|i!!ai, or tin; prnlii.-* ddi , li Iroiu it-, laml tradic, tiio liiaiiittniilii I! of it.- hliijijiiiif,' f5talili.>luiiriit. Jdit llii.s injiuioiis i .1 ot — the ixtiui'tion ot com- Iictitioii — woiilil not lie Loiiliiiuil t.) [laitiriilar iiit-laiici -. I In; | 1 ivijoire, hmk; coilc-did to ;> iiin^ili; railway coiuiiaiiy, would .--ooii Im.' c iainnil ami ooi.i.in'd l)y .J ; and the roidi ,\ould Lf, thu! l•xi^ting hliiii|)liio (.•oni|/aiii(..-, tiiidin'; tlionisflv. s iinaldi' to coult iid willi tLi.ir to .> powei- I'ul ri\al.'<, Would 111 tin; cnil lie im;vitably sicriliced, I't'cling liow doc'ply llio iiiforcKtH ol' stfiim wIiijiowniTs arc invoUod in this (Mn.'.'ion, the coiuniilttc have, Croni tlie lir^t, resisted the oont /ssiirii o^lile^■• power,-. The (;aiiu-'. :ij>i)licn- tions li)r them wen' un«ii'i' '.s-l'id, owini.' to the promoters of the [)]'■]- ' .ntuiiiinj; iin h provi- uions haviiij; liiilcil to r()!ii,!iy '.xitli Slaiuliii;; < )rdrrs; and the eouiinittee, in those (.'ilm^, wet enaiilod to prevent the itiil.-' pr.eeedin^' lieyon 1' o!l:nnent, lookinj; tor tlio.se privile;/) ■! ; viz., llio.se oC the l!a.-tern Lomoies, !hc Norli il; tiic Lowestol't, and the I h -ter and H ilvluad Hidhvays. In thi; three first instauees, the > ;rinitt ■ s^tieeeedcd it obt.iininf^ tlu- withdrawal oi the olmoxions eian.-es on the sicond readi'.L, t 1' ihc I'ilU; hut in ;he ease ot'tlie last-named company, the parties .suc<'i eded in earrvinjf ihelv I'ili t'lroiiL;!! iu stennd reailing into Coni- initlee, and it was : nt until ;ilie;- a virv aetive oo) ";y the latt( r t;iiupany to tiio Holyhead llarbunr IJili, Mmt the objectionable chiu-;cs in the Chester and llolyliuud Kiiilwuy ijili vvi re I cpunj^'ed. Towards the close ol' the last Sosision, an nttempt was miulc by the Urightou llailway Conijian} •• 1 exclude the steam i>i'.ckets of tlic Cieneral Steam Navigation (.'ompuny, running i'rouv !shori.iiani to Dieppe and llnve, from the use of the railway wharf at iShoreliam, in cr'ler to liiv.n'r a new company, called the Urightcm and Continental Steam Packet Coui- iiany, the dire-' ms and subscribers of which are mostly proi)rietor8 of the lirighton railway. J'hi. association, .u conjunction with the iiencral Steam Navigation Company, resisted this attempt at niuncpi S ■uid preferred an appeal on the subject, both to the Itailway Commis- sioners and to the CI riirman of Committees in the House of Lords; nnd, although from the advanced ])criod ol'the '•e-.ion .it which such a|)]>eal was unavoidably preferred, it was found im|n°acticalilc then to obt.io legislative relief, yet it is gratifying to slate, that .in assurance was obtained from the latter source, that a clause, prohibitive of the sought-fur monopoly, and restricting the ISrightou l{ailway Com|)any from giving an un|H)i't ol ill tliofc wild iiiv ill liny way iiitci'i'itteil in tlir i|Ur<>tiiiii. In a tcw il!i\> tlicv will <-Mi>iinuTii('iitr witli tlifir <'on.«titiii'nt.f iimn' iit li'iij;tli ii|i'.ii ttii.< ^iiil'iict, iiiid I'liijj.'ot liir ine».-iiri> wliii'li tliov ::rc (>r (>i'inion it i^ iim^t ilc^iiiililf to ailopt. Alri'inly tlio I'uiniiiitli'c liavt- had interview:* witli tho 5>'«;r(l ot'Tmile in ri'l'iTcnee tn it. ami they trust the jitoiinils they have r
    iiiitte:,--\ turn rel'u.'al of tliim; powers will iniliii'e (iovernnieiit to cuntiliiie to withhiilii its .'.'<■ i :i to their eoiioessioii ; plioiihl the i|iiestion, howevr, U' iillowed to Im' liroiij'ht 'for> t I .rliiiiiieiilary ('oiiiniittee. tlii.i eoinniittee, I'ortilied liy the i'|iinion In'tiire allimud ' mined to rcfi^t siipIi eiioroachuieiit.t to the iitnioi't, coiivineed that the eoneesjion jif.«"r so ilani^'erou!' and iinpreeedented riiii:'t inevitali'v lead to the dcftruetioii ol' to, n ot' 1. ohippiii^' iiitt rcs't.'i. Another Kill, eontniiiiiig provisionii injiirioii> to steani shipping, was hefore Parliament (hirini; t'le past Session, vi/., the Thanus Conservaiiey Hill. Some of its provi.-ions the vOi .initle coiisidored of sutticient iiiiportunce to \, arrant their iiitcrt'erence, and they there- i'-.iv presented a [n'titiun a^jainst it. Its snbseipieiit witlulraival oliviated the necessity oi" their I ik'ng any tiirther stops in the matter. SiiKjc the lust inoeting, some of the ]irovisions of the Steam .\avij;ation Art have come into ii|H:ratii>n : that elanse more particularly relating; to tlu^ eertiKcales, wliieh it is iiicniii- iM'iit on ^team tihi|iu»'ncrs to obtain hall-yearly iVoiii the IJoaid of Trade. I'pon this snlijeet, in respect of which some apprehensions -.veri; at first entertained, the eoiuniittee had freipicnt cuinmniiications tvith the Ituurd oi' Trade; and the result was, that a list of the ])artivs rccoinmended to that department ior the purpose of making; the roiinired inspection, was t^ubniitted to thid association for its remarks as to their titiiess, and liir any fiirther names thu committee might suggest. This gave them an opportunity of consulting their constitucntB upon the subject, and tliey have reason to believe that no inetmvenieneo has resulteil from the regulation referred to. The col' iiittec are further assured that the lioard of Tnide id desirous of carrying the provisions <>f that Act into eft'ect with as little annoy uiue as jMissible to those affected by it. The subject of the carrying -t lights by sailing, as well as steam vessels, has been under the consideration of the committee. They are more than ever convinced of the importance of such a regulation, but they are disjiosed to think that their oliject will lie best attained by ))ctitions to Parliament I'rom the several steam jmeket companies, setting forth the disastrous conscr|ueuees which have resulted from the want of such a precaution. The movement should be simultaneous, and at a time when the subject is more likely to obtain the atten- tion it deserves, than if it were now brought under the consideration of the Legislature. The committee will keep the matter in view, and communicate with their constituents upon it us soon as they think a desirable opportunity has arrived for its discussion. In the last report the committee informed their subscribers that an association — u|ion the committee ared during the past Session, but on mature consideration it was thought undesirable to proceed with it at that time, as there was little likelihood of its being then carried through Parliament. VVith the present Session the labours of the committee of the Light Dues Association have rccorainenced. Tiiey are now in communication with the Government on the subject, and they have reason to believe that some nicasurc, for the modification at least of those dues, is in contemplation. As soon aa that question is settled, the subject of pilotage will engage their attention, but they are of opinion that to enter on it ut present would be premature. That subject, with others affecting the shipping interest, has been under the consideration of a Parliamen- tary Commission, and it is not improbable that the report of the Commissionen will soon be before the public. The committee have now enumerated the principal subjects which have engaged the atten- tion of the association during the part year ; and they feci assured they will be considered important enough, and the exertions of the committee of suSicient utility to warrant their expectation that those companies at present unconnected with the association will see the advantages of attaching themselves to it, tu\d thus secure the benefits resulting from an union of interest. By order of the Committee, (signed) tVilUam C. Morgan, WMjrctary. m i' T „ m i % 73". Enclosure V*" 74 PAPERS REI.ATlNi. TO TIIK LONDON. LIVEUI'OOl,. AND En «-liiMHr 3, ill 51. ObNKBAI. AdWKUTION OK PhOPHUTUKK ny StKAM SlIIPPIMi, 1849. CIminnun, Wolvoilcy Attwood, Kim|. Mtiiibcruof t:<.nmiittre .Iccttd by Subscribers .Meiiiborrt of Comiiiittcc iinuiinnicHl ns llepre- nt (iLiiirul MftlinR. scntativtH orCuiiipiinioi'. .loj-cpli Ailaiii!', Ksn.^ Arthur .\n(ltrKon, Kw)., MP. Ciipl. Ki\<[. C. \V. Wiiliiuiis. Ksq, .lolin Wilson, Ksc), \m^ The followinj,' is tlic List of tlic Com The Allou, Stiriiuff, imkI Kincardine Steam Navif^ation (Jou'iiany. Tlic Hrisfdl StcD.ii Nti'iigation {'onipany. Tim Hritisli and Irisli Steam Na\igation Com])aiiy. Tlie "Hruiiswieiv" 'rjteam Packet Company. Tiic Ciiy of !)ul)iiu Steam Xavijration Com- pany. Tlic Cork Steam Ship Company. Tiie Dublin u.ul fila8{;o\v Steam Shipping Com])uny. The Dundalk Steam Packet Company. The Edinburj'.h and Dundee Steam-packet ('ompiiny. 'I'lic (iencral Steiun Navigation Company. panicu oub^cribiug to the Association : The Hull iind Ilambnrfih " Hoi) Key " Steam Packet Company. The Hull Stcum I'acket Cumpany. The Hull and l.citli Steam Packet Company. The London, l^cith, Edinburffh, and Glas- ' "^ow Stctim Packet Company. The Xorl'olk Steam Packet Company. j The Owner of the "Hercides" and " Emc- I ndd Isle " Steamers. • The Owner of the " Lady Sale " and " Erin's I Queen." ' Tlie Peninsular .md Oricntiil Steam Naviga- tion Company. I The Wttterford Steam Nivigatior. {'uinpany, j The Whitehaven Steam ^navigation C>nn- pitny. Report. 12 March 1849. TiiK connnittee of tlie Steam Shipowners' Association submit at this, their annual meeting, i> report of their proceedings, together with a statement of tlieir receipts and expenditure for the past year. In their kst report, they noticed very fully the successful exertions of tlic association in oppo8in<; the several railway companies wliicli had, during the Session preceding, applied to Purliamcnt for |)owers to enable them to become steam shi'iowners. Similar i)owcrs were applied for in the ])ast Session, when their concession was again resisted by the association, under the conviction that it would tend to establish a j)receucnt injurious to the interests of steam shipping. The jmrties by whom the Bills containing those provisions were promoted, were the (.'hester and Holylieml, the Fnrness, the Brighton, and the South Western Railway Companies. W these, the first-mentioned company had already been before Parliament with a similar object, when it will be remembered it was successfully opposed by the association. The Bill promoted by the same company in the past Session so iiir differed from tliat of the preceding Session, as to have reference almost exclusively to the steam-boat question ; and for this reason, and because it contained but few details, the committee resolved to oi>|)ose it on its second reading. On that occasion the principle of the Bill was very fully discussed, and a Btronji opinion was expressed by the majority of the members who spoke, that railway com- I itiics should not be allowed to increase their already too extensive monopoly. It was not, however, found de3iral)le to divide the Ilou^e upon the Bill, in consequence of there being a strong nnistcr of railway members present ; inasmuch as an adverse decision (a result almost certain) might have appeared to the committee on the Bill to indicate the opinion of the House upon the principle; an impression which might have been prejudicial in its ettects, as regarded not only that particular measure, but also the three other Bills in which were con- tained similar clauses. The tour Bills having passed tlie second reading, W£cc^seut iieforc the same committee, and were there severally op|H)sed by the association, but without success. The committee feel convinced, however, that .he result is not attributable cither to the unteimblcncss of the jjrinciplc for which they contended, or to the strength of their antagonists' case, but rather to tiie favourable feeling with which railway interests are regarded by the House of Com- mons, As regards the particular tribunal before which the Bills were sent, some of its mtmljera r; M^ if NOllTII AMERICAN SCllFAV STl.AM Sim* COMPANY 75 ittee, aittee f the rather Com- of ita mbers incnil)cr« lind prcviougly cxpnii«c|iiniiin in fuvmir <>t' tlu' ionci'!«»".i>ii ul" ttir |Miwcr» nought. Tlif several llilU uere mrriftl Kiilisciiui'iitly into tlic IIiiii^- ot Loril^, wIutc iIic :i>«iM-iatii>ii rt'iu'wcil it* ci|ip|«>rt (•('tlu' [irinciplc for wliicli llu' a,>♦' thf .South M'tvttcrn IVill, as to warnuit tlif con- vii'tiiin that no luliirt' aj>|iliratiiin tor iiiiiiiliir piiwcrs will ho f^rantnl, unlci'K vcrv H|Hriul {jroniul.* ran l;c iliow n mr tlirir coiu'i'siun. Siirli an fxiirc-sicin ol' ii|iiniiin in the lliiii.'c of Liird..', licarinj; a- il diK > diiccliv ii|hiii llu |princ.i|ilu lit i.tsui', nnir't ln' I'oiisidi'rcd lis hifjhly iin|Mirlant and laManaMc to ihc intrrc't- >>t stciini lihiiipini;: and when, in addition, the rcji'iliipM oltliu liri-litoii liill i- roiisidend, llu- a.ciation icilin;; that a hij,ddy liiMifficial ri'snlt liar- attfiidcd it- rxiTlionn, looks with roiilidcnci' to tin' a|iiiii(iatioii by iln roii.slituiiitil oCtliat |iortioii of its liihoiirs diii'iii;^ tlic pii-st year. It is scarirly necessary to remark, that ilic o])|Mnition ahove slated, thoiij;h coiulneted with the most e.iref'iil re;.'ard to eeoiiom;. , has l»een attended with very coiisideralile eX|K'ns<', Till' hill of costs tor the cNieiisrs wicnrred in lioth llouseK of Parliament iunoiinted to iipwiirds of 1,:KX>/. f »f this mnoiint «.50 /. has heen already eontrihiited by the Peninsular and Oriental, the (leneral Steam, and the City of Diihlin Companies. It is eontiileiitly expected that those eoiiipanics who have not yet aided in lii|uidatinorlant (piestion of the light dues, the committee have the satisfaction of stating, that subsequently to their liMt report, a Hill was intrmluccd by the (rovernmcnt, the etteets of ivhich would have been to relieve thi* owners of shipping generally, and more par- ticularly of steam shipping, fnxii a considerable (Kirtion of the amount payable by them for the maintenance of lighthouses. Owing to the impracticability of pua.sii.z that measure last Seesion, it was withdrawn ; hut an assurance was g.-en by the Government on that occasion, and it has recently been renewed, that a similar measure, with amendme.its, will be shortly brought before Parliament. This result, the committee leel. is owing to the exertions of the Light Dues Association ; and they cannot omit this opportunity of urging on the steam shipping interest the propriety of supporting that botly both by their co-operation and contributions. The subject of pilotage still engages the attention of the committee ; and now that there is a prosjH;ct of a settlement of the light dues question, they trust that they will soon have a favourable ojiportunity of urging on the (Jovernment the necessity of bringing in a measure on the subject of pilotage, which will have the effect of removing another of those burdens which now oppress the steam shipping of the country. Frequent complaints have been recently made to the association of the losses sustained by steam-packet coini>anics trading with London in consequence of the sinking, by their steam vessels, of over-laden coal-barges. No caution on the part of those having charge of the steamer can prevent such a result ; and there arc grounds for the impression, that it is owing not altogether to accident on the part of the owners of those barges. The attention of the committee will be given to the subject, with a view of devising some means whereby the evil complained of may be obviated. Upon the subject of sailing vessels carrying lights, the committee liave considerable satis- faction in informing the owners of steam shipping that their exertions arc likely to be attended with success. They have been recently in communicatiou with the Board of Trade upon the question ; and the result has been an intimation that the suggestions of the com- i;. ittee are acquiesced in by the Government, and that a measure which will carry into effect these suggestions will be brought bef're Parliament during the present Session. It is with feelings of deep regret tliat the committee allude to the serious loss they have sustained in the death of Mr. Carleton, one of the earliest members of their body, and whose experience and ability were so often exerted for the benefit of the association. It will be necessary to fill up the vacancy caused by bin death, as well us that occasioned by the retire- ment of Mr. Bolger. The committee cannot suffer this opportunity to pass without expressing tiicir sense of the obligation which they owe to Mr. Holgcr, for the able assistance rendered by him on the occasion of their former o|)[)esitioa to the Chester and Holyhead, and other Railway Bills. The foregoing subjects are amongst the nujst important of those which have occupied the attention and exertion of the committee during the past year. Previously to the meeting of Parliament, their .secretary visited several of the outports, for the purpose, on behalf of this association, of acquainting the owners of steam shipping with its proceedings before Parlia- ment last Session, and of requesting their co-operation, as well in the general objects of the 730. K 2 association. HI ^^^ 7(i I'AI'I.US ItrL\TIN(i TU THK l.ONU 'N, LINK Itf'OdL. \M) nCMxiiilioii, ill. I.v un rijuitalilr contritmtioii in niil ol' it- i'arliiuiuntiiiy ix|KiiiHr, ; micl iiIho witli the \i<\\ (.ii.l.liiiiiiii}; llir hii|i|p«prt i.l' lli..w . • iii|mliii> wliirli IiikI ncil lliiii j.plficl tlie ufWHinlioii. 'I |,c ciiiniiiilltf trii^t timt liin mi-'Hioii will Im' pnMliictivi' of lioiiiliriul riHiiltis nml till) ( nlirliiiii ronrideiillv tlir Ik.].. , Jliiit tlitir «r«tuit..u.- .xcrti.m-. U>r ilif ),' tiir ii|i|inc mud, lu- to iiulmc iIki^o iiaiiit.4 imt yit Ibriimllj CDiiiitctKl with tin- ariMicialiiiii Ir. iiiml llu^iiiw Ivtn aiii.in};>t it- iin iiiIhih. Hj onlor of the CoiniiiitU'c, (•'i;;iiui'iiii;rl SiiirriMi, IS.iO. C'liairiiiaii, ^\rtliur AtidcrHoii, K'*'!., M. i-.' M('iiilM'i>iil'('any. 'I he London, I.eith, Kdiuburgh, and (jla.ngow Steam Pai'k( i Company. The Owner of the " Hercules" and " Emerald Isle'" Steamerr'. The Owner of the " Lady Sale" and " Erin's Queen." 'I he Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navi- gation Con)|)aiiy. TheWaterlbnl Steam Niivifjatiou Coinpony, The AVhituhaven Steam Navigation Com- pany. Report. 26 February 1850. The committee submit at this, the annual meeting of the aT^sociation, a rtport of their proceedings during the past year. In the Sei-sion of 1848, the committee were principally engaged in resisting the attempts of railway companies to become shipowners. Their last re|)ort stated the result of their interference. Since then no application for similar powers has been made by any railway eom|>aiiy. That report also stated that, amongst other important matters, the pilotage question had been engaging the'- attention, and the comniittee then exprefsed a hope that thev would soon have a liivouraLle op|)ortunity of urging upon the Government the necessity of bringing in a measure on that subject. Their anticipations have been to a considerable extent realised. At an interview with the President of the Board of Trade, in June last, that question w.as brought |)rominently under his consideration, and a Pill was shortly after laid before Parlia- ment by the (lovcrnment, the object of whi'-'i was to enable the several pilot committees to gnint certificates (exempting them from payment of pilotage) to masters and mates, who shotdd have been found, upon examination, competent to pilot their own vessels. That Bill passed into a law during the last Session, and has since been acted on by the Trinity House of London, by the Helfiist, the Hull, the Boston, and other Pilot Bo.irds. .Ainon;^ (he few who declined to comply with its provisions, was the Livcri)ool Pilot Cou.iiiitteo. The grounds of their objection appeared so untc '"' , that on the representation i>\' some i t' the companies connected with tiie association, u ommittee thought it de«irable to hive an interview with the President of the Board of Trade upon the subject. It is unneeo.Jsai'- in this report to go at length into the details of that inter, iow, as they have l)e< ii \ery '!y reported in the '• Shipping Gazetti-," and other newspapers, which have been circidat .t theoutports; but it is right to i ate' that, a.s far as the committee could form an opiu^in, tliere appeared to be a desire on the part of the Government to secure for the shi[)ping interest NOIITII AMI.IUCAN S( KKW STl AM >il||' COMPANY, Mi iiIho tliu >llltl«. iicrul nut intiri'itt tliu rcHi'f'f.tditon.iilntril l>y tlic l'il(itii);«' Act of lust Scmimi. Ai i-i';;aiilit ilic n (\i.iil lit' lliu l.iMi'iKHil I'ili't ( Dlliliiittri', the |-i'|ii'<'iH'nlMti tlir Itniinl nl' 'rinili' li;ivi> n.>iilteil ill It |)iciiiie ut' tl,i- cuii^liiij; ^|i iiintiA, iimli'i- r< rtaill riiriiiii'ttiiiH'c^, I'liiiii lli«' |)ii> iiiiiil nl' |iili>tii;:<', iiml tliiit |iri>|>A(>rvuliiiii^. I'liutii'itllv, the |ii'ii|ii)iit' tliL- |iiirlii ■ I'nr ujinsc lulirtit it i- ilitrliilod. w* tllllt ('iiiit('lli|il:itri| liv tlir Act III' liiHt >rr>i-iiili. Mini tlic ciiiiiiiiilli'c lia\c i-latcil mi in tlicii' reply to the Hmiril nl I riule ; liiit they Imte, ut the kiiiii> tunc. e.\|ire,*-( ij tin ir ii|>iiiileiiiii tnule. hhdillil thin itii;;^eiii lie aeteil on, a nioHt ini|ioi'taiit i-cHiilt will have lieeii attaiiieil, iii' it \* .neiireely |Mici-ilile, iittei the o|iinioni. wliidi haxe I.ecii exine^seil ill I'ailiaiiiciit, ami In the (iovt riiliieiit, in liivoiii' of an exeiiijitioii I'loiii iiaviiiciit ol' |iiliita;;e, that any liH'al |ii|ot ItoanI will refill' to |.,|luw the exaiii|ilc ol the 'rnnity Iliiiiiiil'ilii.' ll'c jia-t Near, a nuuetioll liai' been iiiailc in the aimiiint of the diiec levieil on r in the ^li^lltel't de<;rec ol>- viiitiiii; the iieces.-'ity that exists fiir Ic^i.-lative inti rfeieiice, to ivvire the |iieseiit li<;lillioii^e xysteni, and to relieve tlio Hhi|i|iin;; iiiteie-t from the o|i|i|-e«sive I ixation, to which, iimlcv the iiijiiiioiiK operation of that syi-tcin, it Iiuk heen no lonj; !sionf. I Veliii" ie hitherto adopted liy that IkhIv has heen a iiioj't jiidleioii-< one, the eoinnilttee arc J^iviiiir it their active co-operation, and they wmild on this occiisio i reiiinv their sii^j^cstioii, that those who are interesteil in sleain sliippini^ r-lmidd in every wav lid the eft'ortu of that asHoeiatioli. Towards the close of the last Session, a Itlll was laid lieforo I'lirlianieiit liy the < iovi rn- liieiit, lia\in<^ for its oliject the iiiiprovenieiit of the coiiditioiy of niii-sters, mates, and si aineit ill the iiuTcliuiit service. Iti! provisionH had reference to the iiistitiitiun of examiuatimis Hir those iiiteiidinir to become musters and mates: to whom, on their lieiii<; found ipialilied, it proposed to j;rant eertifieates of eoinpeteiicy, tlu' production of the certitieatcH to the otKccH of Customs heiiij; rendered eompulsory, previously to a vessel proeeediiifj to oea. The Hill also eontemplated the nppuiiitment of shipping masters, liy wlioin all agreements hetweeil K'ameii and their employers should be attesteci. Hy other clauses re«trietii;ns were imposed with respect to lulvanee notes, and the Hoard of Trade was empowered to make rcj;iilatioiis respeeting pruvisions, iind for proinotin[Kiiiited to inquire into tlio accuracy "I' those allegations. As the subject wi>s one that conccri ,* I I .; 5 *' bl 730. subject w{Mi K3 eral of the coinpaniei Ii -i^H 7S l'\|>Eli> KI.LATi.\|.oiiilc-itiii|| oi riirllin n»tiiflioii'< Aii'onliii^'U :i ili|iiil;iliiiii, I'liiliiin-iiii; "i'mtuI oI' tlif iliri't'tow iiiul i«;;riil« ol thr 1 i|)iiiiii':i intcrc-liil, iirr(iMi|iiiiiiiil liy tlirir I'lirliiiiiit'iilnn Ki'iircM'iitiitivci*, Hiiiliil 111 the I'ni-'hiriit of tor Hoiiril ot I riiili, unci •tiiti'd to liiiii tin- roultn tliiit would lollow till iii|o|ilioii III ( n|it:iiti Di'iiliiiiuV ii'i'iiiiiiiU'iiiiiilii>lii<. Tlit I'liiiiiiiiltcc liiivi' tlit- >iktw. riirliiiii III -tiitiiij: tliiil, ^o liir tViiiii iii.inilrx'iiij; 11 wixli Id iiii|(|iri'atiiiii of llicir 1 iiii.~liliiriit.'<. Hy oiiirr (if thr ( 'onniiitti-c, tiiijfiicd; M. ('. ytorijiin, Sccrt'tiiry. Knclosurc ft, in No. .M. (iK.M-.K.M. A^siM lATIliN cih I'lUH'lilKTOHs OK StKA-M Silll'IMNd, 1851. Clitiiriiiiin, Arthur Andernon, Ksq., M. P. Mi;iiiliri> of CoMimiilii; cli'cicd liy Siilwcrilx'iK lit (icinriil Mi't'ting. ,roKp|ili .\d;iiiii«, Iv-fq. •Iiiiiips .Mliiii, K«|. Widvcrlcy AiIwihmI, F.si]. .liiiiii'H Hiirtley, VaM\. (i('or>{c Molfh'tt, I!h«£,. O m NOKTII AM! RK \N SCHF.W STI Wl MIIP COMPANY r<» the i|ii<'!iilriit I'l llr Hiinl of 'I nulc A i|i>putAtion Iruiii llial Imi4|\miIi><'i|I|) tilly wiiilril ii|»'ii tlint lii^'lit iMiiiiiiinililc I iciitlini.iii. I pon tliitl (H'li. till' HIlliitM't III tliiiT n 'x.llltiiill- iv:l< xi'I's IllIU illr("> tliul, il iml Mitlulntwii, tlic Kill wniilil >it lri>l iiimIi run -ikIi :i iiiiMlitii'atiiiii u* wmiM iriiilri' il ('iiiii|>aruti\<'ly iiiikh'iiiHi-, wl rii iIh' \i^ii)MK III' till' iiirai-iirr iiMiiVailiii;:. I In Jiiiii'ittrr. liiivM'Mr, iliil nut ilc^i't t'l-nin llii'ir ii|i|HiKitii>ii, uiiil ill llicir atlt'lii|ilF' tn lliinw it nut, or ('ailih;r tliiit, li> aiiii'Tialiial>li' aid. wliirli thiv wuiilil avail iIiciii'i'Im'- nl tlir |iri'-riit ii|>|>ii till -rniiil icailiii;: nl tlic Kill, ami Mr. Aiiii, iiihI ntliri' nt' it^ iiion olijii limi- Itliic c'laii!'!'-; lull iiwiiiL.' ti> llii' ivainii iilmvi' ;i,( litiolird, and In tlic lilti' l>i'riiid nt llir ScuHinii, llir (invcninu'iit waM riialili'd tn I'an'v tlic Kill lliinii^li I'lirliuiiii'iit, tiiid it jiaxKi'd iiitn a law .luriiij; till' last Si'!iii'i.- tlir Hciuiieii liasc r>'l'ii-i'd In i'niii|il\ uitli it' prii' i.'-inii.''. 'I'lifri' Ht'ctii.-i tu III' II ' .'iirnil fi'iliii;; nl' uvi rxinii tn tlir .\ct. and cviii in tlin'^i' |inrtK wlirn- im nlmliiii'- tiiiii!< ha\i' lici'ii tlirnwn in tlir \va\ nl' il< n|ii'ialinn>, |>tliliiin> and nicnmiial:! Iiavc Iutii pri'- parcd r<'|irt'r'i'Htiii>; the lurcKHity nl'ii:. anirndnicnt. 'i'lu-c ri'!»iilt< tlic » niiiiiiitti-f Itrl n-siiri'd will jiistilv tliL'tii witli tlicir <;on>titiii'?it.'< tnr tin- rniir.-r wlncli tlirv have taken ill rff'tTciwr ti» tliiit nica-iurr, and warrant their riirtliii' I'VL-rtiniis tn nlitiiiii it- aiiicndinint. Af r^•'.:aI•d^< tlic Miihjcct ot |)iliita;;c, tin.' cniiiinillcc ri'^^rct that the mKanta^i - anlici|ialcil rroni the .Vet nf IK4H have inH a-" Mt liccn liilly rcdiscd. It i-< true that the pilnt eni'|Mirii- tiotlH «>r Miliu; ikiiti have availed thciii.-cl\e? nl itr iirnvinioiii* ; and in a few and the cnin- iiiittee wniild ill^tane(: |)uhliii — enni'o.''i, and inniv iiartienlarly the iniportiint port of Livei'iHml, the Act reniain," to tlu' prcficnt a di ml letter, in the rcpnrt nf lait vear, the course adopted hv the ii-ijiiMiation, in eoii-ciiuenec ni' the rcfii''al of the l,i\er- jiool I'ilnt (Jiiinniittee to ciiuiply with the prn\ifinii.s nf the \et, wa,- noticed: and il wa« then intiinated, that owin>: '<> the reprc-'entation,'' made to the Kourd of Trade hy the HHnoeiation, a enrrcspoiidcncc had taken place ln'twecn that dcpartniciit and the I'ilnt Committie, which had rei'ultcd in a projiOMitinii to the latter hody. if !mmittee trust, lead eventually *o ihe abolition of that tax. Upon this subject they would iriv'te the attention of their constimciits to a corre- spondence which has recently taken pla«> l»f"ween the American Minister and tiie .*''.n'; in- fluential shipowners as to the erroneous jirinciple uiii!.i(li'niti(iii lii|i|i.iii{ (ill/lit •" oCliii' Mill in-taiit, of wliat (litii tuok |ila(t — lopit.- ol' wliicli liavc Idiii tnnitii>ii of an iiii|irov('il iiiiHle of a(liii(ii,''iiniiiciit liciiii; one that i-oikhtiii wiilinj; v<;j<.-cl» iiiiin' |iaitlcnliiilx , tlir coiiiiiiittcc would not atlarli wi iiiiich ini|Hirtam c to the coii- t('iii|ilat('il l!iil, «cif it not for the nprci'iitalions tliat havi' iicin mad- liy Mr. (iilnioiir to the I'ncidiiit ol the luiald of Trade, with the view of indueiii<; him to intriKliiee elause- into it, l(» deprive -team ?lii]Miwnerj< of the dednetion troin tiie tonmi<.'e of their ves.ielH which they are now allowed lor enijine room, .\otliiii;,' eaii he more fidlaciou.'* than hi^i ari^nment? flir depriving; that ela.-.s oi' the " advan(.!;.'e^," lu-* he terms it, which they now pof'?c.-'» ; Init as Mr. (iilmoiir's iHisition may attach more w>;i;:lit, with many .»hipow nei>, to his opinion npon thi:i Mdiject tlian it is (iitided to, the eomniiltee have resolved to menxiriali.' c the Hoard ol' Trade against the adoption of his sii^;;estioii. They reeoinmend a similar course to their consti- tuents, and if the liill should he introduced witli the ohnoxiou;< clauses reierred to, they will avail thcniseKes of every le^iliuiatc means of ojiposinp; it. It has lieen intimateil to t'le association, that a liill to amend the .Steam Navi(;ation Act is in conteiuplalion. What tiiu precise oiijeet of its provisions may he, the committee are not yel in a jiosition to slate, hut it shall he carefully watched, and they v.ill strenuously resist the imposition of I'ly injurious restrictions upon the steam slii|iowner. If it shoidd prove an unol jectionalile ineacure, they wdl endeavour toolitain — shoidd the nature of the liill admit of its iiisertioii — the introduction of a clause, com|iellin}f sailinj; ve?si'ls to cany a lijjht at nijjhl, y the association to that department. During the last Session a I'ariiamentary lieturn was printei^ giving the result of sonic cxjici intents made by order of the Lords cf the Admiralty flir the ptu'posc of testing the fitness of iron as a material for ships of war. Although, in tiiu opinion of the rommittcc, tliote experiments have been by no means conclusive, they seem to that department to have been suflicieiit to warrant their coiideumatioii of iron war steamers, and to have induced then; to address conK;.unications to several steum companies, intimating, that vessels which may bi; proposed for the carrying of mails tinder future contnicts, shall not be constructed of that inaierial. Without oH'ering an o[)inion upon the question at issue, the committee icci that, the interests of the coiiiinercial steam marine arc too much involTcd in it to sutler it to remain in the undecided state in which the recent experiments have left it ; and as the (iovcrn- Mient declined to inform tlicni whether they intend taking further steps in the matter, some ol' their nicinbers have, in conjunction with several infiuentiul shipowners and shipbuilders, Ibnncu an association "lijr the purpose of testing the comparative merits of iron and wootleii vessels tor warlike jiui'iioscs.'' A rejiort as to the best kind of experiment has been prepared by a committee of the association, and it is jirobablc tlint in ii fevr days the time will be announced when the experiment is to take place. A vacancy has occurred in the subscribers' coinniittee by the retirement of Capta--' C'aniac. 'J he comniittee cannot allow this opportunity to j)ass without an expression of . grct that they are about to be deprived of the services of one who, when resident in London, took a, more than ordinary interest in the proceedings cf the association, and by his experience' and ability, and his unvarying courtesy, materially aided them in their deliberations, liy the rules of the association it will be nccessnry that his successor should be elected at this meeting. The connnittcc I'.nvc the pleasure of announcing the adhesion, since the last meeting, of a new subscriber in the Drogheda Company. They trust that their exertions during the jiast year will merit the continued approval of their constituents, and obtain for tho association a still larger measure of support, in the alliance of those few companies not yet connected with it. liy order of the Committee, (signed) William C Morgan, Secretary. m. ^^4t To the Lords ff the Committee of Privy Council for Trade. The Memorial of the Steam Shijiowners' Association of London, representing nearly 10C,00U tons of British Steam Shipping, Showeth 'JHAT for a lenpth of time, and of late more especially, the attention of your memo- rinlists has been directed to the numerous acciiJentB which have resulted from the collision of ships at scu. Thot such accidents have been almost invariably occasioned by the neglect of one or both vessels to carry lights. That, independently of the loss of life and property resulting from such neglect, a serious - injury is sustained by s'lipowners and others, m consequence of the large sums squandcreii' • lU it>- NORTH AMKRICAX SCREW STEAM SHIP COMF'ANV Si in li-;;;il iiiiK-fiiliii^s; n roull wliicli i- tlic inori' vt^xaliuiH, ii- «iirli iiriK'cciliiij;- noulil Ik." \>'i\- niri'h, iCcxer, iii'illiiij; all \r .I- Ui i-,inv li^'lit-^ liMil Ih«'11 iir;ilcctril liy I'illii r party. Tliiil !iii Aft 1)1' l'arliain(.it war^ pasrcil in the yi'ar l^Jti, tin- '.> A. Ut\'ii-t. . Inii, liy tlif !".'lli MTtion of ttliii li it is cnarlt'd, " That nil .*tt;uil vc-isil.- witliiii 2(1 • i.utt of tlic «'iia''t, niictluT iiiiilcf wci-^lior at ain'lioi', sliall, iirtwiiii s'liii-'ot and "iiiiri-o. r'.ialiit li^lit*." Tliiit, as yi't, tlicrt- is no lopislativo fnarlnicnt iinjKisini; cm the owni'i- of sailin:.' vi-sscis llic iuloption of ii similar pn'caiitiori. I'li.ii in till' liill alxive rcfi'rrcil to. ii clause liiul liccn introiluciil Ipv your I,iiril-lil(i- pre- -.lously to its jiassin^r tlironirli the Ilnust'of hnnls, wliicli would lia\f oliviatid tin' <'\ili I oMipluincd ot, l>nt wiiirli was subsoipiiMitlv, and your nu'rllo^iali^ls rr>|<('('ttidly -iilnnit, on \i'rv insutticicnt irmnmls, willidniwii. (Iiat tlicro docs not appear to lie any valid reason wliy. when in narrow -<'a>, whether under wci>;li or at anchor, sailiMy the latter of a regulation conipellin;f sailing; vis.sel.- to carry li^ht~. That the oidy etiect of the present regulation is to indicate to the sailing' \cs-cl the .•ipproach of t!.e steamer. i'hat a rejrulatioii would lie iiir more useful and important which ^honlll have the etiect of indicatinir to the steamer the pro.siinity of the sailinjr \essel: inasnmch iu< steamers can alter their cimrse and a\oirl the risk of collision with iiuich ui'cater case than sailinj; vessels. That this object is to be obtaiiu'd by sailing; vessels Ik-'Ui; com[)ellcd to carry a liiiht ; the more especially as the dittieidty experienced by those on board the steamer in di-cerninff the approach of the dark sailinj; vessel is found to be increased \i\ the eontusiiiLT ^lare cast iuuuediately in front of the steamer by its own lijihts. ^Our memorialists tliereliirc respectfully submit that, liir the reason.- above statert of their proccediii;;.- duriii-; tlio pa.-t vnar. Witliiii that |K.TiiKl, tlie attention of the loniniittec Iiuk l)ecn i^oiipicd with sK-vonil »ul>- jccl- iliiitiTc-t ti> the own. '1- 111'. -team sliip|iin;.f. < )ii(' of tlio most important of tliese, tlu> SUaiii N;ivi;»ation Uill. tlir coiimiittoe, in liieir ln»t re|H.rt, -tHtcl to \h- then in rontempU- tion. r.eiii<: iiii«ci|iiuinte(l willi its iiro|H)Klii|>owner ; '" and, at the urcent request of a hirp;e nuniher of tlxir siihuerihin- coiiipanies. they underliH>k, in the event of its hein? in its general soo|ic an iiiiolijectionalile nieasiiie, to endeavour to ohtjiin the insertion of a clause, rcn- (ienn:: ii eonipiilsoiy on sailiiij: ve-sels to I'arry a liplif nt ni;jlit. They have the ;:ratifica- timi ol liein;^ enabled to state that their exertions have been to a ftreat extent snceessfid. The bill, us iirij^iiially introchiced, was in many of itfi clauses so objectionable, that uiton a repre-'i Illation to the Ii >aril of Trade to that eftiect, and a detailed enumeration of its (ilmoxioiis jirovisioiis. it wa.» withdrawn. T'he claii.-(es to which the objections of the com- mittee ui're more particularly directed were, that which proposed that, for the ]mr]>oses of the Act. the tonnaue of steam vessels should be nsi'ertaincd by builders' meiisureineiit : that which i-e.jiiired that Ixiats shouM be carried, of the nunilier and the powers of inspeetcirs. In thiMi' o|)piisitiini to the two lirst of these the Committee were snccessfid. From the se.ioiii eilitioii of the Hill the admensureinent clause wiis omitted; while cubical contents supplied tin: place of lciii;tli and breadth, as the t<^st of tin.' sufficiency of boat nccommoda- tioii. IIk: iii'cessity for a life-boat, in addition to those named in the .schedule, and for the substitiilioii ill their stead of ]iaddle-l)ox or other boats, was also disjicnsed with. Besides these amendnient.s, further iinportuiit niodiliciitions juggested by the Coinmittee were adoplid The jieriods within which it wiis pro|iosed that deelariitions should be transmitted, and also tliosc diirin''i"ons have been made to induce the Hoard of Trade to bring ii a Uill that wouhl deprive steam shipowners of the deib.iction from the toni. t. o of their vessels, which they are now allowed for engine room. Its oiiiission. too, is imporriiit, from its having had the cilect of reducing, to a considerable extent, ilic fees payable upon certificates, varxing, as they do, in proportion to the amount of tonnage. Upon the whole, defective iis some of" the provisions of the Act are, it must be admitted that the amendments which have been inserted in it, and the omission of its more oliMoxioiis r-'strictions, have removed the most serious of the objections that have been urged against it. As respects those clauses which appear uniicces.siirily restrictiNc; that, for instance, which s|)ccilies disproportionate dimensions for the boats of steamers of a certain class, that liaving reference to .safety valves, and that relating to the adjustment of compa.sses, there seems to be no disposition to enforce them inconsiderately. With respect to the last-mentioned, the liuard of Trade has suggested that a competent person should be named for eatih of the ]u-incipal ports, by the steam shipping companies; and li.is e.xpres.sed its wilHngness to accept ills certificate as to the adjustment of compasses. Tlie satety-valves clause is now under the consideration of that deiMUtment, with a view to its modification; while in respect to the boats clause, they have intimated that it will be a sufficient compliance with the terms nfthe Act if the aggregiito cubic contents of a vessel's boats be equal to that required bj the Table, provided the immber be not less than that specified therein. I'pon this point the committee have had several conmiunications from their constituents, |K>inting out the want of ]ir()portion in the dimensions, as to length and breadth, required by the Act. These tlicy propose submitting to the Board of Trade, and as an op|)ortunity may arise, during the Session, of amending the Act, they would recommeii'i that no time should be lost fjy steam shipowners in conununicuting to the committee any suggestions which may occur to them for its improvement. A Bill which has recently been brought into P'-rliament at the instance of the trusiees ot' Ramsgate Harbour is now cngagiiig the attention of the coinmittee. Amongst other oij.'cts, it proposes to authorise the varying of tolls levied on shipping, but it contains no 1 .\ isioiis calculated to give eflect to the recommendations of the Select Committee apfiointetl ill NOimi AMERICAN SCItEW STRAM SHIP toMlWNY. S in \K')U. •• to iiivi'!v|iai.| liiirl«..iir -. aii.j tlmf rill duL-^ ami tiilli> now lakni t'loiii all vcs^'U, Itritifh iiml Foreiirn. pai^iriir up nr iluwii CliaiiiU'l. ought wholly to (vatu; iiml >it<' onlrnil fi>7>c levied iK'iiifr attainevuin<'nt in said harlmnr Ix'iiiir eillii-r in imm- teniplution or pnictieahle. ' I'ndiT these cireuni-tanci':', and ai* tlu' proinniirs of ih ■ Hill have declined to aive any guarantee that if itn .lecond reading; "houM lie niioppo-cd, -iP-h oniendnientH would he |iroposed to he in.ierted in Conunittee as wmild pr-'vr -atirtii'tin v t i the !f preventing the further proi;ress of the nicueure, their exertions and those of their constituent- will leiwT to that result. The mihject in one of no little moment to shipowners, involvinjj, as it does, the (pieiition of pausing' tolls, against which the Select Oinmiittee referred to have so stron;;ly ii;|»ortiil. The present Bill, if uiuimeuded, will perpetuate that abuse as rej:ard.s Kam-j^ati; llarlioiir; while it will serve as a precedcut for the concession of such a power to the promoters of Hills for the improvement of other harbours. This apprehension of the connnittee has been already reali-^^d in the instance of the Aldtioroiiirh Harbour Hill now before Parliament, which authorises the Icvyinp of piksMinp; tolls uiKin shipjiin^. 'J'o this Hill also the committee will ofter the most strenuous opposition ; and tlicy trust that they may reckon on the co-opera- tion of all who are interested in protecting "'ipping from lumeces.sary taxation. that In their !:ist report, the conniuttec state i that .ii couseipience of a liccision by the late Hoard of Admiralty, eondcnuiatory of the use of iron for the construction of war steanieis, an association had been formed '" to test the comparative mcrit.s of iron and wooden vessels for purpo-ic of war." < (win;; to a lenjjthencd correspondence between that as.soeiation and tin- Admiialty, the neetssary preparations were postjioued until too late a period to enable the experiments U) be carried out durinir the pa.st year: they have, howi'ver, to a considerable extent, been since completed, and ihc cxpcriii ents would, ere fhi.s, the connnittee are in- formed, have been inar an iMtimation tliat the decision referred to hail been re- scinded, and that iron steamers would be permitted to be employed as mail contract ves.sels. The coininittce are not in a ixisition to state the cnurse vhich this decision may induce that iissociation to adopt ; but whether or not the exiieriment be proceedeij with, ii must be satisfactory to their constituents to find that a restriction, which would have oi)enitod so injuriously upon their interests, has been removed ; and tlic committee cammt but fcl tiiat the steam shi])|)iug interest is deeply indebted to that body fijr exertions >vliich h;i\ li-en attended with so successful a restdt. I'jion the subject of the liirhthoiise dues the committee have, during the [la^t year, licjn in communication with the Board of Trade ; and they have submitted to that department details, for the purpose of est iblishing the sufficiency, for tlie maintenance uf th(' lighthouse establishments, of the amount of the tax proposed to be substituted for the 'lues at present levied. No Hdl has as yet been brought forward cndiodying tlic princiini , 'or which the Light Dues' Association has been .so long contending : but it is gciu'rally nndersfood that a very large concession i.-^ uLuut being made by the Trinity Ilou.^e, which will operate to the benefit of that class of shipping more esjiecially which endiraces tiic larger nundier of the companies connected with this association, namely, those employed in the Irish and co;ueen reported to tiie Comuander-in-Cliief of the 730. L 2 statiou, ' ;i! 1 I 1; 11' If i E m 1 ^s 'w S^ PAPKUS UKLATINC; TO THK mNDO.V, IIVEHPOOL, AM) »lati.)ii, mill liii* ciiiirtiim nlitiiiiK-d fl.r iimlkinn a rlaini. At llic -aim^ tiiiir. llii ..nlrr allihio! UMiijipiti" iiiHjri al! iiavnl otticiT^ I'Diiiiiiaiiiliii^ ■•lii)'- "I' w:ii- li> iiiiilir iiroiiipt asHi.tuiKi; I" iiiiirliaiit vtrt-tl^ in la.w oj' iiifil. 'I'lio ccmiiiiiltif imirtidor llic.v iiiav i jrrutulati- llicir onii- ntiluiiits on llii.- i-ati^liirti.n ri>ilIlol' tlir cxiKwnrr I'l a L'licvanrt; wliirli liail lici-onii.' »(■liou^l) i)|i|irfs.- jnnrtii.n of the Nmlli Lanraxhiie Stf.iiii Couipauv. Itv iiiilrr of thr ("oniniitti/r, (.■i'iTi;taiy. — No. .'.2. — [.i\(r|)()ol iiml I'liiliKkliiliiii Sttain Ship Coinpan)-. Rfspcctod Friend, LivLTpmd, 1st inn. Ulst, lH.i:». l'.M)KnsTAM)iNfi that vou hiivt' appointod to-morrow to n-cfive a deputation from ui.i.hartcred steani shipowners on llie subject of the charter sought i)v the London, Liverpool, and North American Screw Steam Ship Company, and lieinjj- unable (lhnno;h invited) to accompany tiiem. we lipo; to lay before, you a copy of a letter which we addressed to the Board of Trade on tlie Utii of Deeemix^r la.^f, and respectfully request your attention to it in cotmi.'.xion with the subject. We should not now have troubled you with this copy, had we not thought it just |tos.iible that in tiie change of (lovornmcnt the original might have been overlooked. Wo may add that this company have completed arrangements for the increa.se of tin's line, as mentioned in that letter, which will make the capital of this company upwards of 150,000/. \\ e remain, &e. (signed) Jiicfiaidson, Brollier.s, Jf Co. To tlie Risiit Hon. Edward Cardwell, Board of Trade, Ijondfin. [Copy of the letter referred to will be found under the date of 12 Decenil)er 1852.] — No. 5.T. — Sir, London, 12 February 185.1. With reference to I lie offer made to you by the opponents of the London, Liverpool, and North American Screw Steam Ship Company to perform the Canadian part of tlie 5ervice without a charter, the follDwing fact, it is submitted,, should b(! conclusive. For sonip months at the beginning of last year (1852) advertisemints wen^ insert'.'d l)y tlie CanMilian Governmenl in the London, Liverpool, Glasgow, and other j)apers, asking for tenders to perform steam sevvice between London or Liverjjool, and Quebec and .Montreal. Tlio applicants for the charter now asked made tenders, in the full confid(>nce that a charter would be granted by the Hoard of Trade a^ a matter of course, and it was accepted. ^^ hy did not the opposing parlies make this tender tiiemselves .- Is it just that they slioald now be allowed to step in merely to keep as far as po.-sible rivals out of the trade .' The late President of the Board of 'i'rade intimated his willingness to give a charter for Canada. The case for New York, on the mere comparison of British and American tonnage, seems unanswerable ; all the American companies are entitled to limi- tation of liability, and they have really carried off the whole trade. The delay in obtaining the decision of the Board of Trade is of momentous importance to the ;r)plicants. I am, &c. (signed) Robert Lamont, of Liverpool. To the Right Hon. Edward Cardwell, m.p.. President of the Board of Trade. ivw NORTH AMFUK AX S( REW STEAM SHII' (OMPAXV 85 — No. .4. - T(i till Kiglit lliiiiomahlc A'. ('(irJuvll. m. i'.. Pn -idt-iit of tli< lii).ir Ht Hull, IJ rdiniarv IM.-,;i. tiiiii ti> till' >ul>jii't of till' a|;|ilir,itii)ii:. • flow <:iakiii<:, l>v varioii* i'oin|iai!ii'-. Iia\c' aildri's- 'il scViTal cmiiiciiiii ■ cation- 11)1 flic ^iinii,' snliji-ct fo llic late Prr«i(i»'iif of the Hoard ol' Tradi'. it iiia\ not 111 mri'.-saiy at tliis time to ri caiiiliilatc tlir ar^imii'iits wliioii liavc iVom tiiin- to tiiiiu liei 11 addiici il to -liow the injiniou- am! miscliievous tcMidciirv of tin- adoptiMii ot' >ncli a |iriiiri|i!r. Hut with tiic view of lirinniii}; our sciitii:ii'iif< fullv bd'oi't' voii, We ha\i' priMiiiicil mj lar u|)oii \our tiiuf as to lorward you lifvewitli coides ofsoim" of tjic cottitntinii'atioiis n-ffrri-d to: the injury iiiHictcd iilioM till' |)ri\att' trader liy tlie ;^rautiiiij of exelii.-iM; privilecres to a eoiiipaiiy i> iliereiii shown at 'jreat leih^tli. ami eomiiK'iited ii|i(in in a manner which nc think i- fully warranted liv tln> jireat ini)iortance of the sulijeet. It any additional arjiiiinent were needed to .-how that private entrrprii-r i-J 0(|iia! to any conmiereial iniderlakin^ of the rational order, and readv for it- adoption, the fact of the "'(ireat liritain," the largest steam ship in the world, and reeently (lts|)atched on the Ioni|;t st steam voyaht, k Co., Liverpool, fully support the assertion that there exists private enterprise ready to ro to any extent whieh conuneree niuv legitimately reiiuiro. It i- true there have iieen nianv eomi anies formed for "reat umleitakin''-, some of which havi' snreeeded, whilst others have proved mii-eralde failures, as some who liavt! heeii indnced to heeonie shareholders have experiiUi-ed to I heir cost. I'or tlie shareholders therein, heing' unprotected hy limited liahility, Iium' very jtroperly heeii called upon to pay the losses iuewrred. If these companies now applyinii should unfortunately succeed in obtainiii<> limited liahility, of coursi their sliarehohlers will he more happily situated, iuscmiuch as ihey only lo8i' their subscribed funds. But parties who may he rash enough to }j;ive credit to the companies in question, will find out when too late that thev have no fund to claim upon, and will learn to estimate limited liahility at its true worth. The dociinieuts hereinbefore referred to, and of which copies are sent heiewith, are as follows, viz. : Protest and memorial of owners of steam vessels and others at the port of Hull to the Board of Tratle, against the granting of a charter to the North of Europe Steam Navigation Company. A similar document from Glasgow. A letter from ourselves to James Clay, Esq., M.i'., dated l:Jih June iH.ii, a copy of which was sent to Mr. Henley on the "iSd June. Letters from ourselves to Mr. Henley, dated respectively 2:)th June ;.ml tjth November 1852. A letter from Viscount (Joderich, m.i-., to Mr. Henley, dated IStli \ovem ber 1852. Besides these, there have been communications from our towusinan, Mr. Thomas Tlumipsou, and a memorial from the Hull Chamber of Commerce. All these, with the deputations which have waited up'.n the Board of Trade, and the coniiiiunications which have Iroui time to time Seen made to the late Pre- sident on the subject from other purls of the country, have most strongly tleprecated the principle we have mentioned, on the ground of its gross injustice, viz., the granting of peculiar firivileges to any company or body of men, to the prejudice of individual oi j)rivatc enterprise; and we repeat our firm conviction, that there is private energy and enterprise in this country .sufficient to meet tlu! legitimate requirements of trade to any extent. Tliis is proved, not only in the instance we h nvc cited, but also in the fact of the nourishing existence of private steam companies of gigantic enterprise, almost encircling the world with their fleets. We would respectfully urge the subject upon your atteniicn, and trust tin; enlightened view which you will take of it in all its bearings, will induce your 730. ' L ,j refusal ■»J^^ i ; 86 I'AI'KRS RELATINf: TO THE LONDON. J.I\ El.'POOL. AND rrfii-al to ri'cognise any ai)j)li<-'ution To;- cliurtcrs to parties ui>|tlyin<; tor tin- sunn- with limituil liiiliilify, as wt- cannot hut contend that all su( li f^rants are contrary to the spirit nu\ inei'iin^ u/ live ami unnstiicted competition; a principle now almoj^t nniv<'r)«u l» ai-.;eo(e(l i:<» tlie only safe and proper one to be Feted upon in thi'- loiinlry. We llaM , &c. (signed/ lirirtinloir, Ptarsait, i< Co., I'rivate Steam OwntTi*. [A similar answer to tlie preceding ones returned.] Eiinlo«nre 1, in No. '14. To the liiitht Ilonoumble tiie I'rcaident, Vice- Pre -iilciit, und Mfuibcrs of the Board of Trade. The Protest ami ^i' m '.i itf the underKigned Owners and Part-owners of Steani Vesaelg, Mei'uhantu, and Trade's ut the Port of Ilitil, Shownth, That the I\<;i u of Kurope Steam Packet Company has applied to yonr Honourable Board for a iJiarter <•'' '•(Miration (with limited resnonHilnlity), authorising them to run stcjun vessels from ccc'i" })\>rt8 ou the east coast of rlnglund to the adjacent continental ports of lMiro|H!. That no im[H)rtant public object is to he accon)|ili.-ilied Ity the furniiitinn oi such a com- pany, the trade in which it is altoul to cmharK iieinjr idready amply .supplied by individual enterprise, in which a very larj^e amount of capital has lieen invested, and the parties who have done so are fully prepared, if the necessity arise, to extend '>r vary their operations to meet the requirements of the public its they may hercatter develops tiiemsi'lves. That private cnerj^y and enterprise are amply suHicient to reiiosid, and su])ported as it proposes to be by large and influential railway companies, it would be able by continued and over- whelming competition to discounige and uiiimittely to crush 11 priv;'" enterprise that niitrht lie opposed to it. And that as it would be unfair to give such an advantage as this company seeks to "ain over i>arties, who by the investment of capital have established a business in whicl, ■ .ley are liable to the whole extent of their property. On these grounds wo do most respecftully protest against a charter of incorporation being granted to the said company, or to any other company with similar olyects. (Sigtied by 52 P'irm9 and Individuals. ) To the Kight Honourable the President, Vice-president, and Members of the Board of Trade. The Memorial of the undersigned Owners ol' Steam X'essels in Glasgow, Showeth, Tn.\T your memorialists arc informed application has been made to your Right honour- able fiany. conferrnig limited responsibility on the partners; the purfiiMe of the said company 1 icing to sail steam vessels from ports on the east coast of Eng- land to the adjacent continental jKtrts of Europe. It 1:- notorious that whenever there i- a prospect of remuneration there is no lack of capital au.i enterprise in this country to supply steam vessels or otherwise to provide for carrying ou Mich trade without any spec al inmninitics the granting of which are unjust to idl who are not -limilarly protected, and injurions to the juiblio, by exeludinj; competition on equal terms by parties williiur to bear the legitimate risks of the business ii which they eugagf. . Your 51S NORTH AMERICAN SCRCW STKAM Sim> l()MI'\N\ 87 Your memorialir'ti* liiive no duubt, that if tlic tniile in which tlic |>rii|N>iteU coii.| iiiv intend to i-npifT'' it" i«denali«ts thcniorr mituvtly prny VDur Kiiilit liiiimimililf lloiird to rpfums i;raiitiii"' any churtrr of iac(ir|K)rutiiiii to tlit' coinpuiiy alio\L' rtfcrrid to, and to idl tuch tradiiii; coMi)tulations to be made in any charter gruited to this company, we fancy that they will accept any term." they ran niukc. only they do jjet their charter, and in the hope that afterward" they can go again to ihe Hoard of 'I'rade and ol)tain modi6cation8. Ill fact, they will siy, "(ict the wedge jmint ciitere(l Mi. kilidlv .iilijillti'il, :ir riuiK. llMl^t Kiicitioiirt ;i, ill .N'». •'•4. Til tlif Kifilit llonouiiilili ./. //. Uiiiliij, M.P., PrHilinliif llic Honnl nl Tnidc, Loinl.in jji^^ Hull. •.'.'. .tiiiir I ^:<->. With ii'.-|h i t to llii' 'Imi'" >■ :ip|>lii''l ti'i" •','» '''•' ('i"iii<>t' i- "I' :i -!> :iiii |i.irkit 'Miiii.iiiiy to lie ciilldl tlic •• .North y llic i.iw.m- ii;!!.. I- lli;it ii iiir}.'*' «li|iiiliilioM, loiL-l.-tiiii; ol 111) l-onl Viiili.iioiifrli, Ml. Col.lhilil, M:-. IVto, iin.l olliri- |.iirlic)-''larf:(ly iiitrrij-tnl in i:iilw:iys liai! llir lioiiuiir of an liitnv irw wiiii \,.u •lie olIuT ,(■ Hull, on tlir o.(aM..ii of the .lt|ailalinii yon .■iiritiiiHh vcritird, iMii t.. till Miy litter. Oiir ^liit.jniiit was. that tlii- |iii.'r!< of the d('|iiitiit ion canio \v:».., that \\\w\\ till' |iiojtcl did iiii'Hcnt it.«i'U'to yon in \\* triic coloiu'i', it would not ini'ft with favour .1. Miiir hand-*, Init that the iiitiiuntL' i-oiine.xioii with railway coniiianie.-' would he a -irioii:* ojiicction. Now. fir. there i:" not tlic shadow of a doiiht on the matter, and we ilo onee iiion . ninut roiieetfnllv. hut iii'iiently. he;; of yon to |iiinse at li-act helore i;ranliii^ the eharlir, a-, if ■ 'ranted, it will ho till' j;reate.-t hlow and di.-'eoiiraf;eme:it to iiriviite eiier^'y and enteriiriw' tliat was ever t;iven hv ( ioveriimeiit in modern tiiiie.-, whil.-t to the |Milj|ie it "ill lie no l.eiiefit at anv time, hut after a time w ill, on the eoiitrary. he a great iniseliiel'. 'I'he state- iiieiil uivi n Mill hy the |iroiiiotirii iiilly shows this. No donht the |iroinoter.- have hee' furnished with tlii^ "grounds of obiectiiin-s made, and wc d.i liet; ihiit answers' of theirs (if any they eaii liy |iii.»sihility have) wliieli may liave tended to shake voiir ojiinioii of the strength o! our olijeclion.s muy he laid belore us, to allow u.s the oiiixirtiinity of (kaliii}? with theiii. AVc cannot hcl)) remarking that the " reasons " i_'iveii ly the ]iriimoters altogether fiiil to pliow that any great ])ublic object is to he attained hy iiie lorniation of thi.s conipany, and that the very contracted field of North .''ea steam :ia\iga- tion, so far from requiring any supply beyond what private enterprise and eapital can attord, niigiit. if legitimate eoinincree needed it, be almost covered with steamers. Already the number of d'<.ily departures I'rom one or other port of Kiigliuid andt^cothind to tlie Continent is vcrv great : and those stcajners depart regularly whether full or half full, or oven almost emi)ty ;"cargo or no cargo, they keep up stated times of departure, and many .-teaniens Ix'sides are laid by the wall wanting employment. When such jwople as Messrs. Hums and Maclver can establish steamers of immense power and capacity between Livcrjiool and New York, thence to the Isthmus ol' Tanaiua, and other fleets from Panama to Australia, belting the world round, as it were, with steamers unrivalled for speed and all other retpiirements, and this as ordinary shipowners, without any protection from (iovcrnnicnt in the sliape of limited responsibility, we do contend that a paltry ferry-boat aiiiiir, as this North Sea traffic is in comparison to those achievement.-, cannot need any such aid as this comiiany seeks. We feel that our j>osition as private steam o'vners, along ■■.ith many others, representing in the aggregate a large amount of money, is to be, seriously, so vitally att'ected hv- this attempt at monopoly, that we do iiope you will be [ileased to take again into conside- ration most seriously all the objections that have been raised, (and, if time had pennittiHl, they would have been multiplied tenfold,) and also that you will ultimately arrive at the conclusion that such a project is unworthy, on the showing even of its promoters, to receive the protection sought for, but tiiat matters i:. iild be left to the individual enterprise of the country, tinfettered and unaided, to work out, never doubting tliat all legitimate require- ments will be fulfilled. \Vc have, &c. (signed) /irowuloir, I'tiirson, Sf Co., Private Steam Owners, Hull. .if To the Right Honourable J. W. lleiilei/, m.p.. President of the Board of Trade, Z(i74i.'lilii>ii ln'twccii |>ii\»li- stortc, ami tVcmi tiiiio to tiiiir, a?> tnidc iiici'ca!>(>, or ririMiiii^laiicru rf(|uiiT it, Ktcam owiici'" vnlar^o ami iiii|iro\(' tlu'ir cliiii:.. with the viow ol'('iiahiiii;r tlu'iii to carry iimrf trat'i ■ at li'>s rate*. 'I'liist ii cMiimlilitd at Livi'r|Hxil. isjuTiallv ,jii.'. No one ean .ihjeet to that ; Imt it ii*, we re^'pei'll'idly culnuit. ni()!«t nntiiir to nnii them with " panoply ol'prtM)!','" in tlie ^hape of limited lialiility, whilut otherr' are to (ijiht tlie Imttlc « ilh .-iniply nature's defencei'. It \i>, it nui^t lie, unjust towartl- private enterprise , and oiiee cripple that, the pnhlie will imleeil mniut under the tiiiluret, Inii.-, init; a monopoly from which tl.i eoiuitry must deeply sutler. \\'ea|(proach you with these rouiarks with the greatest delt'rencc and res[)ect, but as we feel our position iis private steam ow ners vitally threatened, we do be-j; most earnestly that you will continue to shield us from injustice. We ask no special favour- : we only ask the, withholdinir of such from others, and \vc fear not the iirivatc steam owner will hold his j;round, and the public be better served than when he is driven therefrom by monoiK)ly protect ion- eccking companies." We Imve, &c. (signed) Bnntnlou; I'rarxm, ^ Co. \y a't d. Ic Sir, ,5, Whitehall \ aid, l.l November 1«.')2. Till'; subject of the conversation I had with yni last week was i>f so great ini]iortaiice, and 80 in'.ich interest is felt in it by so many of the most enterprising nierchnnts and shi])owners of this country, that I trust you will excuse nje if I trouble von with a letter, in whieli 1 shall endeavour to put more fully before you the grounds on which eonsidemble alarm is felt at this time on the question of granting charters, with [xeculinr privileges, to joint-stock coni- ])anies, ibrmcd for tlie purpose of carrying on the steam navigation in various lines. It is feared that many applications for this purpose will be made to the Board of Trade from companies quite unworthy to obtain any favour, and therefore it is that so niiieli anxiety is felt that what is believed to be the right view of the subject should be laid before you. A very strong leeling es'sts, and I cannot but think rightly, in the minds of many persons, against the gnmting of any such charters at all, except perhaps in very rare eases ; but I will not now trouble you with any remarks u])on that subject after our conversation of the other day, but I will take my stand upon the principles which you then laid down, that such charters ought only to be granted when it has been clearly shown that great public benefit would accrue from the cstablishiucnt of such companies, and that such benefit IS not likely to be conferred through the means t)f any private firm or individual, ^'oii woul:l, I trust, also admit that there is one further point which must be establi ilicd in every case, namely, not only that the public benefit to be conferred by the charter-tecking company is not likely to be obtained from the exeriions of private persons, but also that peculiar privileges are absolutely needed to enable even the company promising such service to |)erfbrin it ; for the whole matter complained of is the privileges gninted to these com- panies, which take iheni out of the operation of the Joii't-Stock Companies Acts, to v.liich other similar bodies are liable, and give them such advantages as to render it aiuiost iiniiossiblc for the unprivileged persons or bodies to maintain their ground against them. Starting therefore from these principles, I would beg you to examine carefully whether any case can (consistently with them l)e made out in favour of granting these charters to steam navigation companies, for I believe that it cannot. I venture to assert, that private (meaning thereby unprivileged) enterprise is quite adequate to carry on the steam navigation (any line) with every possible advantage and aecoinmodation for the public ; and I would appeal, as an instance, to the Liverjwol and New York Steam Company, and especially to Mr. Cunartl's, and ask in what w.iy they have fallen short of their duty, either in 9|ieed, jX)wer, or accommwlation for the public. You instanced to me the other I'ay, it is true, the great advantage which the public would have derived from the accommwlation of a daily Boat exclusively for passengers, free from the occasional annoyance of having cattle, &.C., on board, which the North of Eiiroj)e Company pro])oscd to give ; but, sir, how was this com- pany enabled to make this promise without raising its charges, for if it had niised its charges at all considerably, of course the plea of public benefit was at an end ? It was only enabled to do so by those arrangements with the railway companies, of which you arc awaie, and 730. M " which m lo9; m \'> A m 91, l»\PKHS IU;i,\TIN(i TO THE l.oNDON, FIVFJIIVM)!.. \M) »hirli I Iwllovc Imliirt-il voii ill thi' i'Aim- to rt'licc thr olinrtcr. \\ hdlk r tin vi'oiilil h»v<> t'lillillitl tlirir iiriniiiw n( :ill n vi'ry cliMil.ii'ul ; Imt thi- oiily iili'ttii* li\ wliicll it wmild li.tvi' liri'ii iioH.^ilili' for lliriii tudn «ii wiiiiM li;i\i' \f('i\ (liiir iimli r-tniiliiif; willi the i.iihv:i_v cniiipanio*. I invrry micli Minlrr'tuiiiliii;; )'r clrirtiT", iilitl wlirilicr \'iii Htioiiiil not flii'irf'orc lliiow iIh' ■ /(W> mliinuli iiimiii tliciii. It i" Ml) ililli'iill, ill Irillli. to CDlicrivi :iii) i \(i|it vi r_v ;uit.'niitir illHiiil:ikiiif:s wliii-li rinijil iimkf oiil .my just rliiiiii to oliliiin -licli r-iH'i'iiil |iri\ ilcpi''' um jfivc tliciii ut tlicir ooiii- riKiiicciiii'Mi ciiiniioii!* iiilviintufjc.'" omi- mII otIiiMs, iii;iiiy of tinisi' otiicrs liiiiij; |iii\;ii • liriii.* or iiifllviilu iN, who, with 110 |iiivilc;ji-. ami 110 .'I- "r.tiif^ cxct'iit th:ii ol'tlnir own inilu:-lrv, [kt- Hi'MTiiiicc. ;iiic| iMffllifiincc. Iiiuc I'm iiip.iy _voar.< »<('l\ivl the piililic well, .iiul wiio-'c iMTtioiw have ill many case..! icinicrcil [)o-ii'y may at Mini' fiitiin liiiu' I tiiint lliat th(; iiii|iui'tiinci; of till' niihjcct, '\A the cxciim- for troiibliiij^ yon wit'i thin letter. |it:rha|H (lisirve thiaii. ;;rc'at iiitori'^t.-* involvcil, will pUail my The; iii;.;ht lloiiourahh' •!. \V. Henley. I Imve, i*wi'. (KlglluU) (iixlenrll. — Nil. .■) j. — At tlie Couiiril ("lia-iilier, \Vii.i!olii«!l tin' 2.T Fi'liniiiry Im.-.u. B) the Iliglit Honouiiibli! tlie LoiU.; of ih.: L'niiiiiiittic of Coiiiicil ii|)|)i»iiili il tor the consideration cf all matters relatiim to Tiaile iiiid roieifrn IMimtatioiis. Yotit Majesty iiaviiig been pleased liy your Order in Council, lii':iriii>i; date ;ii' Kith October last, to refer unto tliis C'oniinittce a j)etilion of Feter Kolt, of deiiieiitV-lane, Loiiilmrd-strcet, in tbe city of London, inercliant, iind others, praving the i>rimt of ti eiiartcr of iiunvijoration to " The London, Liveriiool, and Nortli American Screw Steaiii Ship Compiii.y,' The Lords of the Comrnittfe have taken tiie said peiition into consideratiou, and iiiiinbly take leave to report as their opitiion, that it will not be advisable for Vour Majesty to grant u charter of incorporation to the said petitioners. — No. 66. — Board of Trade, Messrs. Wadeson and Malleson, 22 February 1853. I AM directed by the Lords of the Committee of Privy Council for Trade to state to you, for the information of the parties promoting the apjilication for a Royal charter for incorpomtinif tlie London, Liverpool, anil Nortii American Screw Steam Ship Company, that their Lordships have again had this matter under their consideration; and their Lordships regret that, looking to the aniount of private enterprise already enj-agcd in tiie carrying trade by means of screw steam ships between this country and the United States of North America, their Lordships are unable, consistently with the rules by whicli the department has been ordinarily guided in the like cases, to recoinuicnd that a Royal charter, conferring limited liability, should be granted to that conii my. I am, &c. (signed) Jamc «* IS» NORTH AMERK AN S( RKW STKAM SHIP COMPANY. wi — No. 57. — Sir, /\iiMiii I'riiin*, 'i4 I'Vbruiirv 1m.-i.i. \V>. Iiiivr tlic liiiiKiiir to !i ' ii'iwlctim' rcrtiit "I" \<>iir Iciti r, ifiti il .),>i| in<*iiii'', in wliicli \(>u inriinn ui., iiy dinclion ol tin- l.oni- «)t tlu' Comi rivr ol I'rivv ('(iiiiiril fur 'I'mdc, 'That lonkint: to 'iir itiiioinii of |invul4' .-iiieriiri-M' aliviiiiy iiiy;iiyt'il in the rarryiinj: tradf liy nii is of xcrcw ?»liani ■ t' ' twe.-n tlii;» ci.iniriy nrnl flic I litcd Sfiiti's of Aiiieriiu. their l.ordttliipst >■ con- "lictiiitly wirli t':c rul -i l)y wliicli tlii-. dcpartiiiint lian liccn orriii I in tlu' likf I'asfx, to rccnminfnd liiat ii Kn^al cli irtcr, <()nfi.rriii_ In v. sliould Im- ^rantl•d tr) tlio Lmlon, l.ivcrjxiol, uiid North Annncai nn Ship (.'(iiripaiiv. \Vo havf ooniininiicati-d your It-ttrr fu tin- provisional cominitlc*' .if tliut com- pany, and wc art' instrucf'd to express their ilrcp icifriM .ind di^app.iiiifnK'nt at thi loiielnsion at wliieh their l.ordtdiips have avrixi il, haviii;;- entertained u otion;^ hup. ih.it ih'' liiiMt and ohviou» initi'iia! ohjer^t- which ihev intended t<» |)roni «onld iiavi" iinliiccd tht ir l.ord*hip> to come to a ditlerent (hcisioii. 'i "he committee hclievc th;it the auionnt of private enterprise referred to in yonr letter i- eoinprisecl in the followinu' vesscln, viz. : " (ila>;j,n\v," trading; hetwecn tin' CIvdo and New York. " CitV of (iJaS'rOW," 1. 1 1 , I ' 1 I 111 -I 1 I 1 • ../•:» iM I . ../tiauin;j UetHeen Liverpool and I'huadelphni, " {. ity ol .Manchester, J ' ' " .Aniie*,"! 1- I I • 1 I %. V 1 .. 41 .. tradinLT ueiwi'eii Lncrpool and .New I'rk. .Al|)s, J " ' The two last helon^in^ to tlie Cunard Company, and not really the result of private ent rprise, hnt sujiported by a>i enormous subsidy Ironi the ly impressed with the opinion that the number of such vessels (which are capablt! of carrying on oidy a small fraction of the existing trade between the two countries, the great bulk thereof being in the hands of foreign ship- owners) will not be increased by means of private enterprise, but t!iut, on the contrary, their number will he found to diminish ; and they cannot but think that their Lordships will at no distant period be willing to encourage British enter- prise in the American trade, by granting Royal charters of incorporation to such parties as may be willing to invest their capital in screw steam ships for that purpose. They tlierefore direct us to say that they will be willing to accept the charter as sctth d by Mr. Belleuden Ker, with the addition of a proviso, to the eft'ect that the company shall not be at lib'-rty to tnide between the rivers Clyde and Merseyand the ports of New York and Philailel[)hi,i, without the permission of the President of the Board of Trade, in writing, first obtained ; which proviso would prevent the company from competing with any steam ship now existing or contemplated, and would leave them at liberty to trade between London and the United States, and between both London and Liverpool and the British colonies in North America, in which quarters the introduction of screw steamers is so anxiously desired. And we are directed by the committee earnesriy to pray that their Lordships will he pleased to roeommeud the granting of the charter with the above modification. We have, &c. •I r i ill . i James Booth, Esq., &c. &c. &c. (signed) IVadeson if Malteson. 730. M 2 — • No 58. — ..^.. IMAGE EVALUATION TEST TARGET (MT-3) A 4^ /A^ 1.0 11 i^ 1^ 12.0 1.8 1.25 ,|,.4 1.6 ^ 6" - ► V <^ 7^ c5 Hiotographic Sciences Corporation 23 WEST MAIN STREET WEBSTER, N.Y. 14580 (716) 872-4503 ''<' 4ifi ^v r> iv>- ->>' / fja I'VPERS RELATING TO THE LONDON, LIVERP(K)L, AND — No. 58. — lioarii of Trade, Me8.>*rH. WadewMi k Malleson, ^O February 1853. I A.M directtd. &c., fo acknowledge tlie receipt of your letter of the 24tli instant, wriJten on behalf ot the committee of the London, Liverpool, and Nortli American Hcrew Steam Shij) Company, in which you state iliat the com- pany would he willing to accept tlie charter applied for by that C(im(»any as settled by Mr. B, Ktr, with the addition of a proviso that the company sliall not be at liberty ro trade between the rivers Clyde and Mersey and the ports of New York and Philadelpiiiii, without the previous permission in writing of the President of the Board of Tiade, and you pray that their Lordsliips will b«! pleus«-d to recommend the granting of the charter with the above modification. In reply, I am directed to inform you that my Lords rt-gret tbc^t it is not in their power to comply with the request conveyed by your letter. I am at the same time to inform you that the remonstrances addressed to this Board against the grant of a charter to the above-named company were not contii; 1 to the owners of steam vessels belonging to the Clyde and the -Mersey, but were received generally from the owners of steam vessels, and from the bhipping interest generally belonging to the ports on the eastern coast of Great Britain. I am, &c. (signed) James Booth. — No. 69. — Sir, London, 24 February 1853 Referring to the reply received from the Board of Trade to the application of the London, Liverpool, and North American Screw Steam Ship Company, date of 22d iustant, 1 beg, as the principal contractor with the Canadian Govern- ment for the screw strain service between this country imd tiie British North American colonies, to inquire wlietiier the Board of Trade would recomnitnd a charter to be granted limited to that service, in which trade there are at present no steam vessels whatever. On the 8th December last you were understood to intimate thnt the Board of Trade were disposed to recommend the eiiarter to be granted, confined to that object, and from this intimation we relied tiiat the same, to this extent at least, would be granted, whatever might be the result of the application lor the more extended eiiarter. As arrangements must be immediately made for the conimencoment of the service, it is of great mom'.'nt that we should receive an early reply. James Booth, Esq., Board of Trade. I have, &c. (signed) Robert Lamont, of Liverpool, at Euston Hotel, Eiiston square. / — No. 60. — Board of Trade, 26 February 1853. I AM directed by the Lords of the Committee of Privy Council for Trade t.» acknowledge the receipt ot your letter of the 24th instant, in which, with refer- ence to the reply received from this Board to the application of the London, Liverpool, and North American Screw Steam Ship Company, you inquire, as the principal contractor with tlie Caniidian Government tor the screw steam ship service between this country and the British North American colonies, whether the Board of Trade would recommend a charter to be granted limited to that service, in which tnide von state that there are now no steam vessels whatever. In %s^ NORTH AMKRICAN SCREW STEAM SHIP COMPANY. 03 In repiv, I am din-ctt-d to remind you, tJiaf, in answer to tlic inqniry Ity the late President oi' tlie Board of Trade, wlietlier the promoters of tiie conipaiiv woidd desire to accept a charter limited in tlic manner that von now ]iro|Mt!ie, tliose parties, by Messrs. Wadeson & Midleson's letter of tlie 4tli Deetmher Ifist, stated that tlie object of the company would be defeated by the liuiitutioii of its operations to th" United Kin^rdotn and the British North Auierieau colonies, and cxcludiiiu' the ports of the Unitetl States; aod it was added, that nnless the company lial the power of sendint; their vessels to ports south of the St. Lawrence, es|M>cially during tlie winter months, it would \h' impossible to run them to profit. Under these circumstances, it does not appoir to their Lordships that they could, with |)ropriety, recommend the grant of such a charter. I um, &c. . ' 11 Robert Lamont, Esq. (sijjned) James Booth. this not \ — No. 61. — Sir, London, 1 Marcli 1853. I BEG to acknowledge receipt of your letter of 'iOth ultimo, in answer to one 1 had the honour of addressing to your Honourable Board on the 2 1th idtimo, inquiring whether you would recommend u charter to be granted, limited to tlic carrying out the contract with the Canadian Government. In reference to such answer I bug to observe, that the statement of Messrs. Wadeson & Malleson, therein referred to, was made with respect to the scheme then contemplated by the proposed company, and not to the service required by the contract with the (Canadian Government, for the carrying out of which service 1 distinctly understood that the Board of Trade offered a charter. My contract with the Canadian Government requires that, during the summer months, while the navigation of the St. Lawrence is open (say for seven months in the year) steamers shall sail twice a month from Liverpool, and twice a month from Quebec and Montreal ; and, during winter, once a month between Liver- pool and Portland (State of Maine), the latter being chosen by tlie Legislature of Canada as the port for the arrival and departure of the steamers during winter. ^ I had no doubt whatever that, under a charter, this contract may be carried out with advantage to the public, and a fair remuneration to the company, but with- out such ciiarter the powers of the contractors will be so crippled as niaierially to prejudice the colonies. I would respectfully urge that the granting of a charter for this service cannot in any way interfere with private enterprise, as no steamers whatever are em- ]»Ioyed ill the trade, and the objections which have appeared to the Board to render it their duty to decline acceding to the former application do not apply to the one I now make. It is my duty to add, that at the time the contract with the Canadian Govern- ment was entered into I was aware that nine or 10 charters had been granted to steam companies, most of them having li ss national claims than the present ; and I entered into that contract never doubting but that the privileges which had been granted to those companies would also be extended to this undertaking. I would further say, that a refusal of this application will be a matter of infinite surprise and mortification io the Canadians, and will natuiuUy lead them to com- pare their situation with tliat of their neighbours in the United States, where the powers now asked for are matters of right. Canada is now the only colony of any importance unconnected by a line of steamers with the mother country. 1 have, SiC. (signed) Robert Lamont, of L\\erfoo\, James Booth, Esq. at Euston Hotel, Euston-square. Board of Trade. «3 — No. 02. — s^ /" ,[ 94 PVW.RS RELATIN(i TO THE LONDON, LIVKRPOOL, AND — No. «2. — Office of Coininittee of Privy Coiiiicil for Trade, Sir. Whituliail, i Murcli iHi'iS- With rcfLrince to your li-thr of the 1st iii'taiit, on tlie subject of tlie grant of li cliartcr of ineorporatioH, wiili limited liability, to a steam i^iiippin); eom- panv, limited to tlie currying into eHeit your contract with llie Canadian Governiiiint, I am direcle Manh 18.')3. Tin: provir^ioiial eoniiiiitfei' of the London, Liverpool, and Nortli American Si rcw Steam Ship Ccmpaiiy have had before tliem the letter aH'\NY. V't Je, Your |(r<' lur the North Anifriciin ••oliMiiis, wliicli we ut l>rlic\ inji timl the opposition alludi tl to could in t iilliniutcly jiicvail, wc •.uliinittcd to that Ri(rht l!onf)iiral>li' CJrnth'niiin the iiro\ind> on whirli \vr hoiN-*! to ohtiiin tlic more extiii-ivc cliartcr we had applied f'"i'. \\ C fully under-tood that the y Mr. Hi iilev was only In fweeii the e.xtOnded or restricted charter, and we were |irepareN. MVERI»C)OL, AND Britis-li iiittrcHt ; so tliat our ii|.|)liciUiou U hroujjht strictly williiti tlio priiiripic luid down; iiml iis renarils pncidenf, we liavf alrtiidy Imd the li.niour ot miI»- niitting to y(.ii a list of 1 1 ocean eteuin sliip companies to wliuii Uoyal cliar- ters liave been ratification by tiie Parliament of Canada, between your memorialist and his partners of the one part, and the Honourable John Y'oung of Quebec, Her Majesty's Chief Commissioner of Public Works for the province of Canada, acting for and on behalf of Her Majesty's Government in the said province, of the other part. That an Act of the Colonial Legislature has since been passed to carry out such contract, and the said agreement was ratified by the Ciiief and the Assistant Commissioners of Works in tlie said provn;cc utider the said Act, on the Knli November 1852. That the service in question cannot be carried out properly except by the application of a capital of at least .100,000/., and therefore only liy a public company, and that it is notorious that cautious, y.rudent, and wealthy men will not join in steam-packet companies unless they are established under charters limiting the liability of the sharciiolders to the amount of their subscription ; and it is also notorious that so far as capital can be jjrocured by means of sub- scriptions to companies without a limited liability, such capital will only bo advanceil at a very much higher rate of return, and therefore that the services by such companies can only be performed at a far more expensive rate than by limited-liability companies. That these vii.ws have of late been so fully acknowledged by Her Majesty's Government, that 11 charters have, during the last few years, been granted to as many companies, with the requisite limitation of liability, and that the vast increase of the ocean steam service during the last two years could not have taken place without such charters. That in entering into tlie said contract with the Canadian Government, neither vour memorialist and his parti'.ers nor the said Canadian Government ever entertained a doubt but that the same privileges which had been granted without hesitation to other companies for otiier similar objects, would be granted for the service contracted for. That immediately after entering into such contract, your memorialist and his partners associated tliemselvei with other parties connected with shipping, and other capitalists, who were about to apply for a charter, which would have included the service contracted for, and would htve united with it the establishment of steamers to run between Liverpool, London, and New York and Canada ; and such company having been provisionally formed, an application for a charter, with limited liability, was made to the Board of trade. That such application was opposed by other parties engaged in the American steam shipping trade, and that in D«cember 1852 the late President of the Board of 1 rude required time to consider the whole proposed scheme, but offered to grant (should that be sufficient) a charter, if the same were limited to the service contracted for in the said Canadian contract, but that such limitation was considered bv the said other parties fatal to so many of the objects contemplated by such provisionally formed company, that they pressed on the Hoard a further consideration of their claim for the whole charter. 730. N That I ■ ^ I I n *' if * :1 ■-+-»'*'^*«6>fc'**»a««*'«r,l;*., .. W w v'^ m; f)K PAPERS UELATINr, TO THE LONDON. LIVERPOOL, AND Tliat tlic wiid iippliciitioii for n cliurtt'r inibraciiii; tin- » xU'iiiled olyt'cts wan nliixti l>y flic siiil IJo.inl Dl'Tradf, ami siicli ri'fiisal was coinniunicateu by It-ttfr from .lames Bimtli, i'H(|., tlit- Srcn-tary oi' tin; siid Hoard, to Mcssr*. Wadisoii ami MalltNoii, the .Hoiicitors of the said provisional company, dated the i-iil of February issa, wliicii stated that their Lordnliip-i nurettcd tiiat, looking It the H'lioiMit of private enterprise already eii};a^ed in the carrying trade by means of sen w steam ships between tliis lountiv and the I'nited State- of North America, their l-ordshijis were nnable, cniisisteiitly witli the rnles by wliieli this ilepart- nient liafj been ordinarily guided in tiie like *■ the the sum of 21 /. Hterlitig; the stroiul raliiii the ttiiiii of \2l. l-Jv. ; and tlif sii-iniuf piifisage the sum of 8/. «.«., ami to lie loiiiul in I'verythiiijj n(|tiii((l. The riitc olfnight from Livfrponl mil to txcicd «() .v. pir ton imasiiirtiin in. iioi tlit IVi-iilit of iirodiice to exitt-d thu ciirriiit rules diinaiidcd lij sailing vosils it in bt'lit'ved that the *>tal)lishiii< nt of tliis line of .<npi rior facilities now existing ()iitlie St. Lawremc for tninsjiort of freight and passengers. Upwards of aoo.ooo emigrant- arrivi d in IH.M at t' e port of New York; these emigrants arrived in ti, 21 1 vesst Is, measuring on the aggregate over l.(MK»,()0() of tons. The retun fri'iglit of these ve«s Is to (inn! Britain consist ehielly of flour an. The cheap, speedy, and commodious aceonimodation for |iassengrrs afl'oiiled by this lim of steamers will do much to turn atleution to the St. Litwreiice route, where on tin; arrival of the ocean stiamer or sailing vessel, the emigrant may be met by large ami coniforlablr steam vessels, in which without transhipment he can be carried to any port, or any of the upper lakes. It isbe!iev(d, however, that this line of steanu'is will only lie a commeueeinent of tliis trade, and that umhr a policy of freedom IVom all restriction in our navigation, the route by the St. Lawrence will annually grow in public favour. Arrangements have also been made with the contractors for the circulation in Britain and in other parts of Europe of sucii books, pamphlets, or maps relating to Canada as the Ciovernuieiit may see fit to send for that purpose, and also to have the same translated into any desired language, and di.striiiuied without any other charge than the cost of |irinting. Some such course as this is ; .iully necessary, from the great ignorance prevalent aI)road as to tlu' n ineiul und agricultural n sources of Canada, and of her progress and advjiiitages as a p^ace of settlement. The contractor is also obliged to carry a mail and mail officer, free of allot!, r charge than the sums already named. The foregoing respectfully submitted. :,i i (signed) Jo/iii Young, Chief Couimissioncr of Public Works. (signed) tlumiltoH II. Killaly, Assistant Commissioner of Public Works hepartmenl of Public Works, Quebec, August 1852. s |. LONDON. IJVERI'OOI.. Wll NORTH AMKRICAX St HKW STKAM >HIH COMPANY. COI'il'.S i>r I'tTiTiON-. i». mill OiiORiiii iif, Htr .Majesty iiiCniiMiil ; 'iI'Mi moiiials Id, Hnd Ciiii> llt.l|HJNDkN( R witli, ilic IIiiitI of I'riKll-, b«tWF«n .Scplcinbrr id^^ uiul .'\|iiil lH-,3, in relation to tli« CiKtNT ol' a llii\ ti ( iiAHri R oI'Incorpora- iioN til tl'i! l.oNiioN, l.i\ KKi'iKii,, ami North .\u»:rm'AN *•';. ■'■■I t. [Price Is.] I J 0. Under Hi ox. I ."t .1