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 Th« quwition of Orange incbrporation has been a ditturbing element is 
 Canadian polities for several jears . Notwithstanding that the Order has received 
 legal recognitic n in five of the Provinces, the leaders have beer clamoring for a ■ 
 Dominion Act, and the question was brought before the House in the session of 
 1883. The notion for the second reading of the Bill was reached on April 16th, 
 and received the six months' hoist on motion of Mr . J. J. Curran, member for 
 Montreal Ceatre, who made a brilliant and effective speech in denunciation of the ?i 
 Order. Tho following was the vote on the rejection of the Bill : — ; v ^ - , -: r 
 
 Yeas — TIessrs. Amyot, Armstrong, Auger, Bain, Bechard, Benoit, Bergeron, Bergin, 
 Bernier, Billv, Blake, Blanchet, Bolduc, Bosse, Bourassa, Bourbeau,Brecken, Burns, Burpee, 
 (St. John), Cameron (Huron), Campbell (Renfrew), Caron, Casey, Casgrain, Catudal, Charlton, 
 Cimon, Cockburn, Colby, Costigan, Coughlin, Coursol, Curran, Cuthbert, Daly, Daoust, 
 DeBeaujeu, De St. Gfeorges, Desaulniers, Desjardins, Dupont, Fairbank, Fisher, Fleming, 
 Forbes, Fc.itin, Frechette, Gagne, Geoffrion, Gigault, Gillmor, Girouard (Jacques Cartier), 
 Girouard (Kent), Grandbois, Guilbault, Hackett, Hall, Harley, Holton, Innes, Jadcson, Keeffer, 
 Kirk, Lahrcsse, Landerkin, Landry, Langevin Laurier, Lister, Livingstone, Mackenzie, 
 Macmastei, McMillan (Huron), McMillan(Vaudreuil), McGreevy, Mclntyre, McTsaac, Masue, 
 Methot, Mitchell, Montplaisir, Mulock, Patterson (Brant), Patterson (Essex), Pinsonneault, 
 Pope, Riifret, Riopel, Robertson (Sheiburne), Ross (Middlesex), Royal, Somerville (Brant), 
 Somervil e (Bruce), Springer, Tasse, Thompson, Trow, Vail, Valin, Vanasse, Weldon, Wells, 
 Wheler, Wilson, Wright, Yeo — io6. 
 
 A^iyj— Messrs. Abbott, Allison, Baker (Vic^, Barnard, Bell, Beaty, Benson, Bowell, ' 
 Bryson, Burnham, Cameron (Victoria), Campbell (Victoria), CarUng, Cochrane, Davies, 
 Dickinson, Farrow, Ferguson (Leeds and Grenville) Foster, Gordon, Gunn, Haggart, Hawkins, 
 Hay, Ftesson, Hickey, Hillard, Homer, Irvine, Jamieson, Kilvert, Kinney, Kranz, Macdonald 
 (Sir John), Mackintosh, McMillan (Middlesex), McCallum, McCarthy, McDougald, McLean^ 
 McNeil, Moffatt, O'Brien, Paint, Pickard, Ray, Reid, Rir.hey, Rykert, Scott, Schiver, 
 Shakespeare, Small, Sproule, Sutherland [Oxford], Sutherland [Selkirk], Taylor, Tilley, Tupper 
 [Pictcu], Tyrwhitt, Wallace [Albert], Wallace [York], Watson, White [Cardwell], White 
 [Hastings], White [Renfrew], Wigle, Williams, Wood [Brockville], and Woodworth — 7a 
 
 The Bill was again introduced at the present session, and came up for a 
 second reading on St. Patrick's Day, March 17th. The following was the vote 
 for and against the second reading of the Bill : — 
 
 Yeas — Messrs. Allen, Allison, (Hants), Baker, [Victoria], Beatty, Bell, Benson, Bowell, 
 Burpee, [Sunbury], Cameron, [Victoria], Campbell, [Victoria], Carling, (Cochrane, Davies, 
 Dawson, Dickinson, Dundas, Farrow, Ferguson, [Leeds and Grenville], Ferguson, [Welland], 
 Fester, Gordon, Guillet, Gunn, Haggart, Hay, Hesson, Hickey, Hilliard, Homer, Irvine, 
 Jamieson, Kilvert, King, Macdonald, Sir John Macdonald, Mackintosh, MacMillan, [Middlesex], « 
 McCraney, McDougall, McLelan, McNeil, Moffat, O'Brien, Orton, Reid, Robertson [Hamilton], 
 Robertson, [Hastings], Ross, Scriver, Shakespeare. Small, Smyth, Sproule, Stairs, Sutherland 
 [Oxford], Taylor.^Tilley, Tupper [Pictou], Tyrwhitt, Wallace [Albert], Wallace [York], Watson, 
 White [Cardwell], White [Hastings], White [Renfrew], Wigle, Williams, Wood [Brockville], * 
 Woodworth— 68. 
 
 Nays. — Messrs. Amyot, Armstrong, Auger, Blair [Soulanges], Baker [Missisqu n], Bre- 
 head, Belleau, Rinfret, Bergin, Bernier, Blake, Blondne, Rosse, Bourassa, Bourbeau, Brecken, 
 Burns, Cameron [Huron], Cameron [Inverness], Cameron [Middlesex], Campbell [Renfrew], 
 Caron, Cartwright, Casey, Cssgrain, Chapleau, Charlton, Irman, Colby, Cook, Costigan, 
 Coughlin, Coursol, Curran, Cuthbert, Daly, Daoust, De St. George?, Desaulniers, Desjardins, ' 
 Duga-s Dupont, Farka.n, Fisher, Fiemiitg, Forbes, Fortin, Gagne, Geoffrion, Gigault, Gillmor, 
 Girouard, Grandbois, Guilbault, Hackett, Hariey, Holton, Hurteau, Innes, Kaulbach, Kirk, 
 Landerkin, Landry [Kent], Landry, [Montmagny], Langevin, Laurier, Lister, Livingstone, 
 MacDonald [Kings], McDonald [Cape Breton], Macmaster, McMillan [Vaudreuil], McGreevy, 
 Mclntyre, Mclhaac, McMullen, Massue, Methot, Mills, Montplaisir, Mulock, Ouimet, Patterson 
 [Brant], Patterson [Essex], Pinsonneault, Piatt, Rinfret, Riopel, Robertson [Shclbume], Royal, ' 
 Sumerville [Brant], Somerville] Bruce], Springer, Tasse, Thompson, Trow, Vail, Vallin, Vanasse ^ 
 [Weldon], Weils, Wilson, Wooda£Westmor^Mivil, White, Yeo — 105, Keony in i»vor of the v 
 »iU paired with Dodd. ^ - S »4t^i ' ' -i ; " 
 
 T -— In the accompanying pages we give a complete verlatm report of the mag- 
 ftiJlo«nt ipeeeh delivered hj Mr. Blake in opposition to the Bill. 
 
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 . The followltogril • vtriattm report of the 
 powerfal and brlllUmt speech delivered on 
 St. F«tzlok'a night, the 17th Much, 1884, by 
 the Hon. Edirud Blake, leulerof theLlberel 
 Oppofittion In the Oanadian Hooae o< Oom> 
 moDB, (gainst the Bill to Incorporate the 
 Orange Association In the Oomlnton of 
 Cuiada. Mr, Blak^ who, on lUlngr, was re- 
 celTed with enthnslaatlo applause, said :— 
 
 TTpon this qaestlon parties are dlTlded. It Is 
 well known that the ranks of bon. gentlemen 
 opposite are divided and It Is known that the 
 JLlberal party does not think, or speak, or act, 
 as a unit on this qnestion. I asi not speak- 
 ing ; I do not piopoBO to epeak, this evening in 
 any shape or sense as leader of the Liberal 
 party, but to speak onl; in my individual ca- 
 pacity as a member of Parliament ; I am not 
 speaking for any one bat myself. Althoagh I 
 gave a silent vote on the last occasion, and al- 
 thoagh bat for what has occurred siace the last 
 occasion, I would have repeated tlrat 
 silent vote, I feU bound on this 
 occi'ion to express my views upon the 
 qaestlon before up. The action ot m3 si If, and 
 the action of thoie members of the Liberal 
 parly who voted sg^lnst this Bill, have been 
 misrepresented, se lously mlBrepre^ented, dur- 
 ing the reoe«s, and. indeed, an alleged party 
 action has been stated, which did not In fact 
 exist A iw itical course has been taken by the 
 promoters of this bill, which I pr pose to 
 develop before I aio dowD, and which, I think, 
 fomlGnes, of itself, ample just! flea ion for my 
 d^partina from the intention I had to have re- 
 peated at this time. If there was no reason 
 •gainst It, the sl'ent vote which I gave before. 
 But I do not conceal from myself, irresptotive 
 of those clrcumstaDcep, that there are import- 
 ant qaestion| at stske upon this occasion ; 
 and my opinlmi is tlMt a temperate dlsooMiffli 
 of those qaestions is no evil, but rather a good. 
 Ei>n. gentlemen opposite wLo have 
 at,ip9:rt«d the bill, and hoo. gentlemen 
 have opposeit the bill, are. 
 tbam, . apparently 1 <teirmia 
 
 cppoalta who 
 many of 
 
 that there should not ooetir tUat dlsonsaion, bat 
 it is as well that we should understand where 
 we stand. It is well that the reasons why we 
 act on one side or the other should be made 
 known. It is well that the objections and 
 cUfficultiM which some of us may have Ehould 
 be stated, in order that they may be answered, 
 and, it possible, removed Hence, i^ becomes 
 necessary for myself, and perhaps for eihers 
 who may have voted for the leasons which I 
 am about to describe, as icflaenoing the vota I 
 gave, and which I am about to repeat— it is 
 we 1 that we Ehould state those reasons, in 
 view of the character of the attack that has 
 been made upon those who voted against the 
 bill last s SEioo. The first mlsrepressntation to 
 which I wish to refer is one which was ma 'e 
 I thick, by t>ie hon. member for South Leeds 
 (Mr. Taylor) at the Orasge gati^ericg a^ Brook- 
 ville, in which he said :— 
 
 " The ODn<i of defeat rests primarily upon the 
 Reformers, who, wbi'e prot< s-ilng lo oe Pro- 
 testant -tad Prutesiant Keformers, decided in 
 CAQcus to oppose tbe measure. " 
 
 Nnw, the hon. member for South Leeds eonld 
 not know that to be true, because he was not 
 at the caucus, and it happens to be entirely un- 
 true, 
 
 a3 o:hcbbtsd AonDR ako«s tss {jbbbals ^ 
 
 There was no caucus of the Liberal party at 
 wLich this qu9Sti on wa<i tou had apo7 ; there 
 was no nceetlng or gathering, formal or infor- 
 mal, at which it was touched upon, and there 
 was no deoifiiou or arrangement between the 
 members of the rarty as to the way thei shonld 
 vote. There was no oocoarted action of any 
 kind or daccrlption* On the contrary, to t£;e 
 few gentlemen who happ ned to sp|»oaoli m» 
 on the rubjact, I stid I tnoughi it wasA Bnttor 
 in which each man must deMde for himself, 
 that I did not oonctive it wooll be a party qneir- 
 t Ion on the other side ol the House, «nd that I 
 did not eoQoalve it was nec s ss ar ily a >st^ 
 queat'on on our aide, and I depreeated all part j 
 ao ion upon it. 1 bat was th* advice I gave and 
 wbiob, so far aa I know, was acted on ; and 
 until the vote was giver, I had not mysrif any 
 ttkw, with the esooption (^ perhaps, tix or 
 
«S&xtgemLmskeB.'sA the ascst, wbo Sui7n&T« 
 ■poken to me, of what were the ■entiments of 
 the gentlemen with whom I nsnally act. Yet, 
 Sir, #e find hon. gentlemen, high In the oonfl- 
 denoe of the Oitmge order and members of 
 thlc Parliament, declaring that there was a 
 oanone of the Protestant Liberals, who 
 decided to oppose the measure. I com 
 plsin of that. Sir. I think I have reason to com. 
 plain of snch statements being made with a 
 ▼lew to Infloenclng persons of the same relir 
 glons faith that I am, against ns. (Loud 
 applanse). 
 
 I am about to state my own views frankly on 
 this qnestioo. I dare say they will not please 
 extreme men on either side, bat I hope that to 
 some moderate men those views may be ac- 
 ceptable. In the first place, the hon. member 
 fbr Cardwell (Mr. White) alleges that this bill 
 is rimiii^y to Other bills, upon the constitutional 
 RTdnnd which we have dealt with. 1 think 
 there Is a very marked dlstlnotlon, on the con- 
 stitutional ground, between this bill and the 
 other bills, and I adverted to it this very alter- 
 noon. I pointed out that I did not myself oon- 
 om' in all the reasoningi or in the result of all 
 the reasoning, in the case In the Prlw Council 
 to which allusion was made this afternoon ; bat 
 it seemed to follow from that decision that a 
 difficulty and doubt subsisted as to the relative 
 powers of the Local and the Dominion Parlia- 
 ment in certain cases in which there had been, 
 at any rate, a corporation created by the Legis- 
 lature of the old Province of Canada, which 
 ■ought modification. I did not believe the true 
 eolation was alleged, but there was a selatlon. 
 Now, Bir, how far have we gone ? How far have 
 I, at any rate, assented to our going ? Thus far 
 —that since thaft decision had taken place, 
 wherever there was a Local Legislature at- 
 tempting to carry out the wishes of the corpora- 
 ton In each Province, on a Qaesllun affecting 
 p rop erty and civil rights, I said i thought it 
 was not unreasonable thatj^. considering that 
 doubt and difficulty, we shoc^ use what power 
 we might have— which Is undecided. In my 
 Judgment— to Implement th^^lshes of the 
 Looal Legislatures, and to eonflrm, In efltet, 
 their legislation. This is the rule that I have 
 laid down for myself in tms class of oases. I 
 did not intend to give my ascent to any bill 
 which acts upon other principles. Perceiving 
 that the earlier of the two bills, which came 
 on this afternoon, came entirely within that 
 prlnelple, I pointed out that 1 obtested to It. 
 The sicond bill seemed to me to ecnne 
 quite within tJiat principle, and, thrre- 
 ton, firom my point of view* T saw 
 ao . ot^eetion, \ though I sympathise, as 
 the hon. member from Quebec wlU 
 liave obMfredt with his general view as to our 
 
 thing that we shoald not interfere, bat aet for 
 the purpose of Implementing or oomplement- 
 Ing local legislatioa. - r- 
 
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 Now, with reference to this particular meaih ' 
 ure, there can be no doubt whatever that the 
 general question of the incorporation of the so- 
 ciety for the purpose which its promoters ask 
 its incorporation— which, as they say, is merely 
 in order that they may have a oorporate entity 
 enabling them lo hold real property— is one of 
 civil rights and property. It is perfectly clear, 
 therefore,that this is within the control and the 
 exclusive control of the Looal LeglsUtore. The 
 report of the Minister of Justice (Sir Johniu 
 Macdonald) upon the Orange bill of 1873, befors ' 
 the Ontario Leglslataxe, which was reserved* • 
 reads thos:— , ,,. ? . 
 
 "If these Acts shoald again be passed, the '-^ 
 Lieutenant-Gtovernor should consider himself 
 r>onnd to deal with them at once and not ask 
 Tour » xcellency to interfore in matters of Pro- 
 vincial concern, and solely and entirely with- 
 in t^e Jurisdiction and competence of the Legis- 
 lature of the Province." -J 
 
 That was a perfectly eorrect statement. It U. 
 true it applied to Provincial incorporation, bat 
 it was a perfectly correct statement that this^^ 
 proposed Incorporation was net merely within, ^ , 
 but solely and exclusively within, the oompe- "; 
 tenoe of the Province. There have been Acta '^ 
 passed, as we know, in reveral of the Legisla- 
 tures granting the Order Incorporation. Th« ' 
 Order has been Incorporated In Manitoba,' 
 in Nova Scotia, in New Brunswick— In 
 three at least of the Provinces. And 
 we know also that it is not t>ecause theee 
 incorporations are deficient for the purpose lor 
 which ihey were made, that the applicants ; 
 come here. They do not come here because 
 they want more power In Nova Scotia, Mani- 
 toba, or New Brunswick ; not at all. The pre^ 
 ent Incorporation is adequate for all the pur- 
 poses they want, only they cannot get Incor- 
 porations in enough Pro vinoes- that Is the ^ 
 question. 
 
 PBavnoiAi. BioHTi or liqi LAnoa. 
 
 This case Is quits different Arom the class ol.. 
 cases in which I am willing that Domlnloik , 
 legislation should Intervene, to clear up any,... 
 doubts in the decision to which I have alluded j ^^j 
 it is not to complement such leglslaUoo, but it^v,,^ 
 is because legislation cannot be obtained la .' , 
 some Provinces that the parties comf here. It 
 is not to oocflrm, not to complete, the legls> 
 latlon of any Province In regard to which dif- 
 ficn ty had arlaea onder our eomplste system ; ~ 
 but It is to coerce PTovinoes into acc«'tln(,^* 
 legislation wtiloh the Province would not otheiw ^-^ 
 wise pass. I wish to make gocd the prouosl- ^ , 
 
 AotB^ ^l^'^ ^ thooght it not an unreasonable i Uons I adTVioa as I proceed, and 1 wlli:do thlf j^^ 
 
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 hr qnotiog extraets. i find the GftvaA Stexetary 
 of the order (Mr. Keyei said this >* .w • :/ 
 
 ** Bll's have been passed ^y five of the Prc- 
 vlseial iiegislatures iDoorporatInK our assrcla- 
 tioa; buKhrmgh no fault of onre, inlbreeof 
 tbeae provinces, Ontario, Manitoba and Prince 
 Eidward Islind, toe bills have never become 
 law. Hnder tbese clroamstaucee, and In order 
 to gpttle the qnestiOD, we bave appealed to the 
 Parliament of Canada for the passage of a gen- 
 eral AQt of incorporation for our society in the 
 Dominion." 
 
 There yea see it is not to supplement, to make 
 gCKxl and perfect local Icsislation : but is it be* 
 eanse looiVl legislation cannot be obtained, that 
 they come here to obtain that which they can- 
 not get in the proper qaarter. 
 
 Mr. BoTirell— Have you the date of that re- 
 
 Mr. Blake»No; but I remember the period ; 
 it was suortly before the last apnlicatlon to 
 Parliament, Since that time, the MaQitoba 
 Act has been paraed. Fears were entertained at 
 that time that the Manitoba Act would be dis- 
 aUowed ; I believe it was vetoed by the then 
 Government. Then I have a repoit firom the 
 Secretary oi a country lodge, as late as 18SL 
 He says t''' . 
 
 " We must not permit any political feeling m 
 this matter, as it is very important to our in- 
 stitution to have a Dominion Act of incc^iKtr- 
 ation. 
 
 " Without such Act, on? noble brethren in 
 the Province of Quebec will be without one, 
 as you all know it is no use for them to ask for 
 Incorporation in their Provincial I^egislature, 
 where Proiestants are in t he minority." 
 
 There you see,Mr. Speaker ..once aiain,tha( It is 
 because incorporation oazmot be obtained In a 
 particular Province or in particular Provinces, 
 that they come here, and not bsoause there is 
 some difficulty or defect in the Provincial legis- 
 latlop which they want us here to heal. This 
 view is not a view which is hejd by those who 
 oppose this measure alone ; it was held by lead- 
 ing Orangemen of the order. Leadiug members 
 of the order, up to a comparatively short period 
 held the view that the measure ehcald not be 
 brought here ; that it was a matter ot Provin- 
 cial concern and should be diseussed elsewhere, 
 The hOD. member lor East HRstings (Mr, 
 White) who introduced the bill last seBsion, and 
 who has occupied a very high position In the 
 ordar, and who still holds a high iK^tion, 
 speaking in Winniiwg alter the defea.t of the 
 bill last session, says: 
 
 *' He, along with Brother Marshall and other 
 memhers of Uie order, hai asked that the In- 
 anri^ratlon Bill be not s^t lo the Houw of 
 Commons, as he thought it should be brought 
 otit In iheOotarlo Legislature ; and if defeated 
 thfre, they should wait till ibetr fr lends gained 
 power ; but in solte of all argument ou hlti pare, 
 b'«bad een lortyd to take the bill intott. 
 
 OHoe again, the hen. gei^eiiMia said, UM 
 speech at BrookvUle, after the sesston. ot Pat^* 
 liamemt : 
 
 " At the session of Parliament he fimiid hini« 
 sel t needing more assistance than ever bef oi a in. . 
 his He. 
 
 " Many of his friends were adverse to the bill 
 being given a secnnd reading; they wera 
 divided as to its effect ; and in ihls way h/%, 
 found himself assailed on all sides." 
 
 ■' Prominent Conservatives advised him to 
 
 withdraw his bilL" , -; , ^^ ^ > 
 
 Once, m;ain, at Hamilton, he uSA t 
 
 " He was willing to admit that the Orang^ii^ 
 men themselves were not as united in aatring-^- 
 for the bill as they might have been. They da 
 not act as unanimously as they should hava 
 done ; and there was no use in denying the fao%^' 
 that a certain portion ot their own orgaalJs*r 
 tioadidnostwantthetjiU^gowte to # ^BPfiod^. ' 
 readUig." ^ ^ ^ 
 
 Mr. Marsdian, a gentleman hoktlng talgh offiot . ^ 
 in the order, speaking at Winnipeg, said :— 
 
 " He had been opposed to sending the inecw>; 
 poration bill 10 the Dominion Honse, Tli^ bat> 
 tie had been coaunenced in Ontario, and should* 
 be f ought out there. " 
 
 These are statementsall made since the defeat 
 of the bill last session, and they sesm to indi> -'* 
 cate that, on the part of leading members of - * ' 
 the order itself, there was a strong feeling ad- 
 verse to the proprietv of introducing this bil- ' 
 here, and favorable to the view which I have ' ' 
 ventured to take in this House, that substan* "^ ' - 
 tially and essentially this la an attempt to ' »^' 
 make use of the power of this Parliament nnd^ - '" 
 the pretence that Dominion incorporation i« ' 
 really wanted and is realty needed, when the '* 
 reality of the case Is, that Provincial incorpo* '" 
 ration is all that is really, wanted and is really ^' 
 needed. ' 
 
 UBJUST riDBBAL ISTIB9BBIH0K. ] ' **' 
 
 And it is because the Provinces cannot be in* 
 duoed to grant the incorporation, or at ail 
 eventf. such is the case In some of them, il i^.,,.. . 
 proposed to use alleged '^-•mlnioa power to 
 force the measure on those localities that . 
 object to it. BythebilUitsilf andaa mash of . 
 the cDnstitntion of the order as we are ac- 
 quainted with, it is a Provincial organization, 
 with Provincial, oaunty, distriOh and private 
 lodges, and the local branches are to have tha , 
 right to bold property. I do not intend to dlc- 
 ousa the matters ot detaUto whiehthe hon. \^ ^ 
 member forHaron Mr. Cameron), allndfd as... ! 
 I learned from the speech of the hon. memlMr ,, ! 
 forCardwell (Mr. Wh te). and wbioh might ba 
 remedied in the Private Bills Committee, al- 
 though those obsarvations were very fit and 
 psoper, bacanse they piomt to tne esitntial 
 jooal chAiaoter of tha meassre, as deiUtag with 
 property and eivii rights ; yet they are mcA 
 fvta* totbe bUl a^ that stage. Tha qaeaUoa 
 with respect to the Mortmain Act shows whal 
 sortof ablUit isibia evan this is not fatal to 
 
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 berfor Card well proporly observed, thatpro» 
 vision might be Rtrnek ont In Private 
 BUla Committee. Bat I say that the 
 eassDoe of this bill is alleged by 
 the promoters to be the right to hold real 
 property. I say that the right to hold real 
 property Is, if there be anything, a Provincial 
 rlRht— a protoerty and civil right. I say that 
 we ahonld not strain oar Jarisdiction to 
 grasp th&t ri&ht In any case. [Cheers.] I say 
 that if we are to use oar Jarisdiction where we 
 have it, for we may have it In some cases, as in- 
 cidental to some classes of Domicion incorpo- 
 raticna. For instance, 1 have snpported, in tnls 
 House, as a necessary incident of railway com- 
 panies incorporated by us. the power of expro- 
 priating lands. It 's a necessary incident of 
 oar power to inooiporate certain classes ol rail- 
 ways, that we should have that power of ex- 
 propriation, and we ose that power beoaose 
 it belongs to as. But, I say, that 
 we should watch Jealoasly when it is pro- 
 posed to go bsyond the necessary inci- 
 dents of corporate rights, and when the whole 
 essence of the csrparation is, as it is claimau, 
 the right to hold real property, it should be a 
 very strong case which should lead us to inter- 
 fere with it. And when we are told that tbe 
 real reason they come here is not because the 
 Pxovlncial incorporation would not be ade- 
 quate, but because they cannot get enough 
 Provinces to agree to ircorporite them, that 
 should end the question of the propriety of our 
 Interference. I maintain ihat they should go 
 totheLegislatoreofQaebec for incorporation 
 In Quebec, and to the Leglslatare oi Ontario 
 for incorporation in Ontario, and as the hon. 
 member for East Hastings (M:r. White] has said 
 fight their battle there ; and if popular feeling 
 is ultimately with them, they will gel their 
 incorporatian, and if it should remain against 
 them, they must content tbemselves without it. 
 But It is not only upon this ground that I 
 personally am opposed to this act of incorpora- 
 tion. I entertala views on the point to which I 
 am about to address myself, which, I dare say, 
 are shared only by a small minority in this 
 House, but none the less do I entertsin them. 
 I am opposed to state recognition of secret so- 
 oietlM. (Loud applause.) I do not care how 
 good in their purposes, or what their objects 
 may be. I believe it is a mistake to lay down 
 the principle that any secret society should lie 
 Tcoognlxed by the State. 
 
 ..J.1---- 
 
 ■lOBn aOO»TII3 OOKTBABV TO CJLHADIAH LAW. 
 
 I think saoret and oath-bound societies are. 
 ■o far as that point may be brought fairly into 
 questton in this oaM— though I agree that we 
 Are to decide it upon our own notions of what 
 la right— I say that sooh societies are contrary 
 to Ui« spirit of English law as to reot^^aiaed so- 
 
 'eistissLt F~kB<^ ifls'eostraiT to'the Hoeow 
 criminal law. Now, the Quebec criminal law 
 is not to be modified by a private bill in this 
 House ; we have power to modify; or repeal, or 
 amend it, and an hon. gentleman has before as 
 a bin for its amendment, upon which I hops to 
 have the opportunity, if it comes to a eeoond 
 reading, of pointiag out what I understand are 
 the true principles of action in cases of that de- 
 scription ' but I scy that the Province of Que- 
 bec cannot! complain If we propose to amend or 
 modify any portion of the criminal law, 
 simply because that portion of the law is ex- 
 clusively Quebec law at this moment ; t.v we 
 have alone the power— they have not the 
 power to deal with it But the way to deal with 
 theoTiminallaw is to amend or repeal it by a 
 general Act, and having amended or repealed 
 it to such an extent, if you think flt, as wilf 
 make this a legal soolety, as would make it 
 legal to have suoh a society in the country, 
 then proceed to pass your private bill author- 
 izing that corporate entity to be created which 
 is no longer contrary to the law of the land. 
 It seems to me to ba unprecadanteii and 03r- 
 taiuly veryinconvenient that we should repeal 
 a general criminal law pro tanto by the 
 creation of a private corporation ; heoaose 
 nobody can doubt this private bill, by which 
 we set up the Orange society, by which we al- 
 low it to continue to extend the number of its 
 lodges, and so on ; by which we give it corpo- 
 ration and State recognition, by which we give 
 it power to hold property— nobody caa doubt, 1 
 say, that it comes within the criminal law 
 of Quebsc. Now that is no way to escape 
 from the operation of the criminal iaw [Cheers.] 
 A measuie might be brought down, as one was 
 brought down in the other Chambe <* last senlon 
 dealing with the criminal law on the general 
 principles on which it should be dealt with. I 
 quits agree in the view which I have expressed 
 in this House on previous occasions, that un- 
 less on tbe greatest pressure of obvious nec^- 
 sity, W3 should pass common laws for all parts 
 of the Dominion, in rispect to those common 
 interests with which we are charged. I con- 
 ceive it to be an anomaly— perhaps lustlfled in 
 special oircumstanoes, and only to be Justified 
 by special and obvious olrcum tancea 
 —that there should be one criminal ' 
 law for one part of the Dominion, 
 and another criminal law for another part, and 
 therefore I thtnk it flitting that a law should b* / 
 brought down on the subject of secret my ctiev, 
 making Buoti portions of the Quebec law as it 
 may be deemed flt to retain on . the Statute 
 Book, general, and modifying, in the aena« 
 which I shall take another opportunity of point*^ 
 ing out, such parts as are not deemed fittob«' 
 retained. Bat it is patting the cart before thp . 
 horse to legalise, by a private bill, and vote oat '^ 
 of the operation of the suDsisting crimlual law 
 
 ■'ft'- 
 
# : 
 
 rp 
 
 (»M InstituCon. Itoarlaw MhoaldMrametided^ 
 flnt on general piinoipies, and then if yon And 
 *^ tb« inslltallon H one which you can legally In- 
 ** oorporale, proceed to give n incorp ration. 
 * Mow,' as I said, I am not in fayor Of State recog- 
 '^'' nttlon of any secret socletleti. I have never 
 '^Joined one; though many of my best friends 
 ■' are members of many secret societies which 
 -' Me, as this professes t3 be, benevo- 
 '- lent— secret societies which do not med- 
 ' die at all with political topics — searet 
 -'■ EOcietles whose real a';tion, so far as one of the 
 ' public can know, is not discrepant with, and 
 ' does not go beyond the avowed purposes of the 
 "^ aesoclation. But I believe the tendency to 
 ' secresy itself to be injurious. (He?r, h^ir.) I 
 believe it brings with it the possibility of evil ; I 
 ^ believe that it involves a certain amount of sac- 
 :' riflce of indivldualty and independence, and 
 g'ves very great facilities for the misleading of 
 members bv designing leaders— very great and 
 *\ mischievous facilities for that purpose. That is 
 ^' my general proposition with reference to secret 
 -> societies, a point on which, I dare say, as I said 
 before, 1 am in a small minority ; for I suppoee 
 ' the vast bulk of at least the Protestant mem- 
 bers of this Hoese belon:? to one or other of 
 these societiesi and I do not wish to be under' 
 ■tood as saying that these mischievous tenden- 
 cies are carried out in msmy of those societies, 
 the operations of wbich, so f^ as I know, are 
 benevolenti 
 
 n^i^hr ' IHl IVn-a CF BKOBKOT. 
 
 -V ' 
 
 fittt these things are to be dealt with on gen- 
 eral principles, and I mainiain that secrecy is 
 in] itself a bad thlog; aad if societies 
 ^lipi benevolent, they are benevolent 
 In spite of and not because of this element of 
 secrecy. Now, there are, of course, three atti- 
 tudes that the State can take towards these so- 
 cieties, that is, suppression, recognition or neu- 
 trality. Aud I maintain that unless a society 
 be one for an obviously bad p irpose, in this age 
 smd under our circumstances, the only course 
 to take Is not to suppress, not to recognize, bat 
 to occupy a neutral position with reference to 
 them ; not to interfere one way or the other, 
 not to give State recognition, not to attempt 
 What is perhaps iu most cases a fruitless at- 
 tempi->the attempt to suppresa at all. Those 
 Who talk of the ueneflts of secret societies 
 have, I think, read the history of early and of 
 later reriods, and of very late periods especial- 
 ly, of the United Kingdom and of the States, 
 after a fashion in which I have not read it. I 
 believe that a great deal of the trouble, social 
 and political, that has occurred is due to secret 
 •ocdetles (applause): and I think that we 
 who hall from one or other of the 
 quarters ef the United Kingdom, we who 
 are donbly interested in the peace, 
 lotMpenty and contentment of eaoL one of the 
 
 
 'tliMitrSKiai'sKine? 
 from early days what a banefal inflae&ee liava 
 been secret societies upon that part of th< 
 United Kingdom which, unfortunately, hai 
 given so much cause for trouble and hamilla* 
 tion, and difficulty, to the Parliament of Bug* 
 land and to the English people throaghout the 
 world. When yon remember the Blbbon so- 
 dety, the Phoenir society, the Fenian soolety, 
 all the other socieiies to which I have referred, 
 you may see yery easily what Immease posd- ' 
 bllities of evil there are in the attribute of s» 
 crecy. Now, Sir this Is a view which is shared 
 by many who have thought on this subject. I 
 met, the other day, in a book which Mr. A. Id 
 Sullivan has not long since written, an obaer> 
 vation of his which struck me as being so 
 pregnant that I will trouble the House with it* 
 He says : 
 
 " I h9d not studied in vain the history of se- 
 cret oath bountl associations. I regarded them 
 with horror. I knew all that could ba said aa 
 to their advantages in revolutionizing a cou'^- 
 iry, butevenin tbeflrmeet and best of handa 
 tbey nad a direct tendency to demoral'zarion, 
 and were often, on the whole, more perilous to 
 8!x:iety than open tyraimy." [Cheers]. ; ^,,,^ 
 
 That is the statement of a' very eminent man 
 who was actively engaged in an agitation for 
 whst he believes, and what many of us believe^ / 
 would be the amelioration of the Irish people, 
 fie saw what an important agency these 
 societies would be ; but he saw also firom a sad 
 personal experience, and from his own obser* 
 vation, what evil and demorsillzlng teadenoiea 
 t|iey have. The difficulty as to State 
 recognition is this—it 1» essential ; yon can- 
 not get rid of it— it is in the circumstance 
 that the soeiety is secret, and how lar, being 
 secret, it may depart from it professed and 
 avowed objects ; how far, being secret. It may 
 go, in what direction it may travel : how far* 
 beluga religious and benevolent, it maybe- 
 come a pDliticai tooiety and not benevolent or 
 religious ; how far, being loyal, it may go In^ 
 the opposite direction. As we know professed- 
 ly loyal societies have gone in days gone by- 
 how far this may be the case yon cannot detsr> 
 mine ; and, therefore, I say that State recognl*''^ ■ 
 tion ought not to be given to secret societies^ 
 You cannot tell what sort of tynnny may be 
 exercised by them. It is in the nature of these 
 societies to become tyrannical and despotlow- 
 [ Hear, heart. Openness and public discuss! on%:^ 
 are the great guarantees of order, &reedosa,( 
 fairness and moderation. It is ia~ 
 private gatherings of men all of 
 one turn, all of one thought, all of 
 one opinion, that bitterness and mtsrepresentas^"' 
 tion and malignity revel and hold high carni- 
 val. It isjnst there that yon art/ sure to have 
 the very worst of that description^ of difficulty 
 which exists too finely and mlly even in all our 
 pabUo life, and which la tempered only in so 
 
f-^* 
 
 4tf tte world, mad of men of difTtrent oplnioi^ 
 '. . II m»y be that in opproMWd oountrlee, deaptAl- 
 .remUj coyerned, secret societies are a melan- 
 
 oholjr necessity. It Is possible ; I do not admit 
 -^ it; but It may be so, It may be the only refciKe 
 I of Uiose ooantrles which are aspirmg to fr^ 
 ^; dom. Bat that is not the condition of the 
 V Paopleof this oonnbry. (Api^ans .) There is 
 1 XMrthlng here that we want, there is no ame- 
 
 Uoratlon of our oondiiion th«it we desire, that 
 ^ we are stot free to propose in public gathering, 
 % upon which we are not free to engage in pabllo 
 I discussion. If we believe that those of a paa*- 
 ;; ticular creed amongst us entertain sentiment^s 
 „;;; not merely erroneous in point of dozmatic re- 
 ^ lii^on, which has nothing to do with the quM- 
 ^ turn, but sentiments hostile to the constitution 
 or dasgeroas to social order, we have a right to 
 ^ lay so, a right to r^ilst them, a right to chal- 
 ^; lenge their opinions, and to ohaUenge them to 
 J- eoepress their opinions. But we have no rlghtr 
 j; because we have no necessity, to engage in 8e< 
 ." eret societies, which, as I have said, are the 
 I frightful mother of malignity, misrepresenta- 
 tion and bigotry. 
 
 j-i .'^Z v;^ WHAT TBI OBASCW BILI. nAHfl. 
 
 % Use bill, however, goes much farther than 
 . ,> fltrnply giving the right to hold property. As I 
 .' liave said, it gives corporate State recognition. 
 . 5« It gives a corporate existence. For this pur> 
 h pose, it invokes the Int«rpretation Act; and 
 • Ml* last clause gives this society power 
 ('^to carry on its work. It is true, the 
 ^ in«amble of the bill h's been alttted. 
 - lAst session it said that the society 
 e wanted power to carry on Its work ; this year it 
 n does not say so ; but the clauses, so far as I un- 
 > derstand them, are the fame ; and the prsam- 
 . Ue does not give the pow(>r, but the clauses do. 
 ,\ Sholoterpretatton Act glvw power which, per- 
 ..; faetly legitimate, in fact, absolutely essential 
 vi to an ordinary bosiness ootporation, are pow- 
 Pi: crs which yet may be open to soae mlsooncep- 
 ~i tton in the case of m secret society. 
 . 'imch as this, for the propagation of 
 .•'OiAnion. There Is m power on the part of 
 C| Um OMdority over the minority. While 
 ^ that is necessary in the case of an ordinary 
 oorpoiaiion, in the case of a society Hire this, 
 Jor the propagation of oplmon, a claase of that 
 Uon is likely to enable the majority to 
 tyranny over the minority. There is 
 «]«o given freedom from iDdlvidual responsi- 
 bility, which is ^im proper in the case of or- 
 dinary business oorpora41ons ; but once again, 
 peeollar force is given to this provision 
 la ttw case of this organlsatton, 
 Which we Incorporate aooordlng to the 
 rolee aad oonstltatlan la the schedule, and to 
 whtehwearetoglv^power to alter its consti- 
 tatlon as It pleases hereaAer. Of coarse, I know 
 u tka i»1tlaiMa that this m^y be 
 
 OomBiIUJg^lmtlt la neMMMy ttt 
 refer to it. We are asked to inoorporate an inr 
 sii tution. with power to alter its ooostitution aa 
 It pleases and to give whatever powers it pleases 
 to its offloets afterwards : but we do not know 
 what those alterations may be, as the v^ of 
 secr^y conceals its acfai, and there Is to be no 
 individual responsibility lor them. Now, my 
 hon. friend from Huron alluded to a point 
 which met with some cries of denial at first, 
 but I did not observe, when he came to be an- 
 swered, that bis proposition waa seriously chal* 
 lenged. He alluded to the proposition that the 
 purposes of this society were iMioUy politioaL 
 I am not going to discuss how the Orange society 
 works in the other Provinces of the Doix^nion 
 I do not know how it works in the other Pro- 
 vinces ; I do not know how far it is true to the 
 professed objects or the institution, or how far 
 it goes beyond them : I do not know whether 
 they are objects peculiarly p'lltieal or no ; but 
 I think I speak of what I do know, when I lay 
 that my hon. friend's observation as to Ontario 
 is perfectly correct ; and I think the clroum- 
 ststnces that, aftsr being met with those criea 
 of denial when an answer was attemptsd to 
 be made to his argument. Is sufficient proof oC 
 that. 
 
 Mr. White[BUistlngs].— Ee said that Orange* 
 men were expelled for voting for theBeform 
 party. 
 
 Mr. Blake— I do not know how that may be ; 
 but I shall furnish the hon. gentleman some 
 information on that p:int before I am done. 
 [Hear, hear]. I maintain that the order is po- 
 litical in Ontario, and I say that the objections 
 to State recognition of secret societies are 
 doubly strong— in point of fact, they receive 
 their chief vitality when they are applied to 
 secret political organixations. There, it aky- 
 where, it is In open diseassion only that 
 there is safety, in open attack and defence, in 
 public charges and public answers. Why, 
 many of us believe, and, I am sure, most of us 
 would gladiy agree -If it were praotiCAbla ; I do 
 not think it is— many of us believe thM the 
 greatest boon would be conferred upon the 
 pabllo it you could abolish private canvassing, 
 if you could arrange that the mode of canvass- 
 ing would be to meet the electors of both sides 
 openly at open public meetings and there atow 
 your principles and define your poaitions. 
 Why ? Because we know that a private canvass 
 gives an opportunity for statements whieh snit 
 the political oonoplexlon of the person address 
 ed ; because we know it gives an opportonM./ 
 for private statements of the political faith of 
 the candidates and lor private assault apon tha 
 poittloal faith and staarttBff of » c^pooiht, 
 and It is in every way otOsctionab!*. 
 
 FOBuorrr taa wimkn or wtawoam, 
 I baiirrf mrtmit that pnldloiiy la ttt» vary 
 
hxetkth of freedom in politics (loud applanse}^, 
 and I haTe not besltated to declare that, thoagn 
 1 Toted for the ballot as essential to freedom, 
 I was nerer able to reo3ncile myself to the 
 Idea th:.t w9 should always be obliged to poll 
 our votes secretly, because I believe It would 
 be a very great advance If the day should come 
 when we could believe that to all our people an 
 open vote would be a free vote. It Is only be- 
 cause there are canes where an o^mx vote is not 
 a f^ree vote, that I yielded to the ballot as a 
 necessity, and I'D order that the votes might be 
 rree. Apart from that, I balleve the efidbt of 
 the ballot itself to be injurious rather than ad' 
 vantageouB. To bear out what X hive said 
 with reference to secret political orgaaizatioup, 
 I will give you an instance in my own career. 
 The first time I entered public life, la 18t7, 1 
 was contesting two counties, one for the Lo^ai 
 and one for this House. They were from 203 to 
 259 miles apart, and I had to run from one to 
 the other in the course of my canvasa At a 
 certain point, shortly beiure I left the 
 South Riding of Bruce to go down 
 to West Durham, I found that a secret 
 canvass was being made again et me, 
 promoted by this religious and benevolent 
 assoelatiou. One was a cry to the eflect that 
 my father was the man who had shot Col. 
 Moody in 18^ ; the oiher was a personal cry 
 that I myself was a Roman Catholic. iHear 
 hear.j 
 
 TOBY TACTICS AND PRIVATE CABVA8SIN0. 
 
 Having been informed, beyond » particle of 
 doubt, that these statements were being circu- 
 lated at the iMt meeting to the WesL Riding on 
 oehalfof the Government, knowing there were 
 men in the House who were circulating these 
 st3ri68, 1, without repeatln r them, called u^iOn 
 thosewhohad made them, called upon any- 
 body to come forward and sLate anything dero- 
 gatory either to my lather or to myself, and I 
 would answer then and there. But none oi 
 them would come forward. I called on tbem 
 three times at a public meeting ; but although 
 the circulators of these calamDies were p esent 
 they would not come forward. In the West 
 Riding of Durham, the same private cfinvasB 
 was going on, the kame course was taken, the 
 same precise calumnies were being circulated, 
 and when I came to thar rldlnjf I was asked 
 how about this and how ab ut that r but I de- 
 clined to deny thlnffs whieh no man would 
 ▼antnre publicly to state. That u tite evil of a 
 private oanvasp, and Mipeoiall.v nt a private 
 canvass conducted throueb the tneoinm of a 
 ■aerat loolety. Do I objert to this society be- 
 oavM it Is ft poilttoiU on^aofcatiot! 7 Net at nil. 
 I approve of political wganiTiatlons. I 
 believe in political organisitin^g which 
 are public, whtoh are avowed or- 
 CMalsatiODs, and are not afraid iodeo1atet^era• 
 MlVMMmeii; but I do not bfelieve in secret 
 
 political organizations or political organlBft> 
 tions, secret or otherwise, which act under the 
 guise of religion and philanthropy. I do not 
 object to this society becanse the majority of it 
 are opposed to me 1 a political opinion. That la 
 no reason for objecting to it. They have as 
 good a right to their o/inions as I have to 
 mine, and their right to hold theirs is as dear 
 aa mine is to hold mine ; holding min« by 
 the same tenure as they hold theirs, and as I 
 would not part, for any consideration, with the 
 free r'ght to hold mlt. e, I hold their right equi^ 
 lydear. But if that political orcanizstion la 
 opposed to me, I want to meet them as such, ' 
 and not as members of a religious and ciiarlt- 
 able society. [Applause.] Our reilgioas opinion 
 sbould be held entirely separate from our poli- 
 tical leanines. No greater calamity can aflbct 
 a commur Ity than when the cleavage of politi- 
 cal parties Is colncldeiit with the cleavage of re- 
 ligious boclles. That is a grea calamity and 
 misfortune. I am anxious that whatever our 
 creed or religions opinion? may be, we shouM 
 fe 1 that they have nothing whatever to do 
 with our political opinions, and that we ghoald 
 agree or differ on political question* entirely 
 Irrespective of the faith we may happen to 
 hold on religious questions. [Oheers.] 
 
 POLITIOa ASD BILimON. 
 
 The more you set up, as a combination, 
 a great Protestant society, which Is 
 also a great rolitlcal associallon, the more 
 you make colndde&t, or strive to make 
 coincident, the line of division between the r^ 
 UgiouH end political convictions of the people, 
 and act di{ect^y in the tee' h of what I believe 
 to be lor the benefit oi the State, Our political 
 differences are bitter enough, without Intro- 
 ducing Into thom rellgirus dlfTe'enccs, and if 
 the odium thwioglum, which is known to be 
 so bitter, is to ba accentuated by poUUcal dif- 
 ferences, it win bee. me lutoierable. (ApplauM). 
 Let us endeavor not to make ccincldent Ibe 
 line between political and religious opinion, 
 yet this saciet>, which, under the guise of reli- 
 gion and benevolence, is In Ontari j largely and 
 chiefly political In Its power and efficacy, la 
 dole;; this very thing which I beileve to be for 
 the public evil and not for the public g ^ed. I 
 do uLt propose to refer, In snpport'Of my vlflW, 
 as to the political condition of this society In 
 Ontario, to anything very ancient. I do not 
 propose to refer even to things so 
 ancient as those to which the hon. member 
 for the West Kldiux cf Hnron [Mr. Cam- 
 eroo) rrferred. IL la enough f ^r me to refer to 
 quite recent transactions. The hon. member 
 for HRSttoK'i (Mr. White) made a speech In the 
 town of Wool^tock on the 12th July, and la 
 that epeech he gave some very amaslac 
 'kilo .Ions to the seeret history of the ^ondnot of 
 thii bll. In the course of these statementc, 
 
'io> 
 
 iMtookalliM irtatoli I ITA^ to iKJist est, sod 
 proved what I have declared with reference to 
 thlBsooiety being really and eabiiantlally a 
 political organization : 
 
 " The bill and ita requirements were pnt be- 
 fore tbe people oi the Dom aion, bat, before 
 the second reading came oo, unforionately 
 mistakes were made. He was not going to nud 
 a great deal of fau't with the Boman Catholics, 
 or with the Ref jrmera ; but, bo far as our own 
 people were concurned, as Conservatives and 
 Or»xigemea, they were not an anxious as they 
 shoal i have l)een. He would say to them, so 
 far as the R*»forirer8cf Canada are concerned, 
 they Khould nOi forget the tacttba' nlue-teaths 
 of tbe members ot the Orange society iu tbe 
 Provliice of Ontario belonged to the Conserva- 
 tive part;. ." 
 
 Mr. Wbite [Hastings]— Suppose they do. 
 
 Mr. Blake— Wer, suppose they do. I am sor- 
 ry for it, but I do suppose it. I am merely 
 showing that this is a political organization. 
 
 Mr. Farrow— That does not prove it. 
 
 Mr. Blake— If that does not prove It to the 
 hon. member for Huron, I despair of proving 
 it to him. I do not address the remainder of 
 these remarks to the hon. gentleman : 
 
 " Ue thonght, injustice, according to Reform 
 
 firlnciples, they should have pass d o ^er any 
 itile wrongs which they mUht have Buttered In 
 the p ist, and have voted for the Orange Incor- 
 poration bill. He wished it had been so, and, if 
 they had done it, ha was s tl^iled that at the 
 next election the Orangemen would have Ivld- 
 ed, and have gone in more for men add meM- 
 ores and not so strongiy for party." 
 <* And not so strongly for party." That is the 
 hon. gentleman's desc: iption of the party char- 
 acter of the Orange orgaslzation in Ontario, 
 that they have in the past gone very strong 
 for party, and that in the future they might 
 have mended their ways and gone more for 
 men and measures. And that is not a party or- 
 ganization ! 
 
 Mr. White Hastings]. Those are good words. 
 
 Mr. Blake. They are very good words. I 
 wish they would be made good :— 
 
 ' Mr. Bunting went to Ottawa ; he worked 
 da ' and night for the bill ; he told the French- 
 men If they did not pass the measure tbey 
 would be doing an act of great injaolloe. He 
 SDoke to 81r Hector Lauievin, to Plr John A. 
 Macdooald, and otber members of tbe Cabinet. 
 on the subject. He referred them to the general 
 support which the CoDservailve party liad hI- 
 ways received at the hands of the Orange- 
 men." 
 
 •• He (Mr. White] thanked Mr. Bunting for 
 the noble assistance he save him durtne thnt 
 time of trial, aa^intaQoe which they hoped 
 would yet result In trtumpn. Id conversation, 
 along with twenty other gentlemen, with HIr 
 Hector Laugevln. Mr BamlDg «aid : ' HIr Hec- 
 tor, we most have Inoorporaiton.' What wss 
 the reply ? Blr Hector said : ■ hd far a« incor- 
 poration is concerned, I personally wish ynu to 
 have it, bat I am opposad toail secret kooietiei', 
 teoaoae my Cnuroh is opposed to 
 them. I like to see the Con- 
 imrvtttlve parJy prosperous, but 1 like 
 thepzoaperllyof nay nharch better than th*t 
 of the Conservative party. My blPho(>t and 
 priests tell na, the members of the Chmch, 
 BOt to rtM tor a&d sapport any such societies. ' 
 Ms. Banting, la r^J MUd: 'That la 
 
 a gfeat inlBtaKB, ibr tlMra are to mm an Mlth 
 more anxious to do Justice to ail parties, and 
 lofiveyuur Church any inoorporailon it u^ny 
 requ'i e for its benefit, thcm the Orangemen.' In 
 his [3klr. White'el opinion, Blr Hector Langevin 
 would find out t. at he had commuted a great 
 nlBt tke ; for ,if ever he obtained the leadersnipof 
 any Government in this country, it would be 
 impossible for him to hold it without tbe a sist- 
 ance and cc-operation of the Orange Society." 
 
 " Iheir?," says the hon. gentleman, warming 
 into enthusiasm towards the peroration : 
 
 ' '''heirs was a great organization ; let it be 
 go'd, prudeoi ana cautious ; and he said as a 
 Oonservative, remember the next general elec- 
 tion, if we do cot (succeed in getting justice be- 
 forH that time. Judge each man by bis deeds. ) 
 They should take a leaf out of ArchbUhop 
 Lyccb'sbook. TheOracge society were In a 
 poeltloQ to rule the whole country if they weie 
 only true to tiiemselves." 
 
 Ihen, Sir, the hon. gentleman also delivered an 
 oration at Hamilton. Three cheers were given 
 for Sir John at a particular period of the meet- 
 ing, and the hon. gentleman followed up tha 
 cheers by saying :— 
 
 " He " (that Is Rir John) " was as true and aa 
 consistent a friend to the Orange bill as any 
 member in tbe House, There was a proposi- 
 tion made that the bill should be withdrawn, 
 or at least a bill granted to all the different 
 Provincee, with the exception of the Province 
 of Quebec. Blr John said to h m, ' Mr. White, 
 don'i accept that, for if you do it will onlv br'ng . 
 disgrace on your society, lietter have the bill 
 carried for tne whole Dominion, but don't dis- 
 grace yourselves by desertlrg the worth V m«n- 
 bers of your order in Iks Province of Quebec.' 
 Those weie good words,and he was satisfied that 
 nothing Ic the world would have given Hir John 
 MacdouMld greater pleasure than in handing 
 the Incorporation bill to tbe Governor for his 
 sanction, because Sir John was satisfied in hia 
 own mind tbat cine-tenths of theOrange mem- 
 bers belonged to the Conservative party*" js 
 Why, I see the hon. member is amosed. I 
 thonght I would amuw him. 
 
 Mr. White [Easting]. That spaeoh of mine, 
 which he is reading, is the best part ot the hon. 
 gentleman's speech. 
 
 Mr. Blake. My proofii are always the beat 
 part of my speecher, and this is nur proof : 
 [Lacghterj. 
 
 " Supposing Sir Hector Langevin were the 
 leaderof AKreat party, and In Tit ranks there 
 waiasoclt^ty whhh wasas true to him as the 
 Orange society has besn toHir John Maodonald« 
 he vponld go lo Mir Jr hn and say : * It is nece»> 
 sary, lu the interests of our party, that Ibis si- 
 clety, which is loval to the Queen, to the Con- 
 stitution and to tbn country, abould r>sve an 
 Act of Incorporation.' Uir John would have 
 answered: * Yes. with all my heart you shall 
 have It.' Tbe Prime Mhlsterwas leading a 
 party that was fai^rand Jast, while Blr sector 
 LanKevtn was leading a party that was bound 
 baud and foot to the Church of Itome, wbloli 
 poesefis-d a grHt;Ring dlppo*ition, taking every- 
 tnlng and giving noihlug." 
 
 We.l, then, tbe hon. gentleman had oeeaslon 
 to speak of the Minister of Customs, and, after 
 giving hlta a very grett laodatlon for the mod* 
 in which ba axeouted his cffloe, ba lakl :<- 
 
 "Orangemen had looked forward and #xprcted 
 him to speak on the second reading ot the bill, 
 and, In not doing so, he [Mr. Whltej ihooght 1m 
 
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 bmA mads a gnu mistake. Tfa^y were prona of 
 him wben he Ktood up in tbe Commons Cham- 
 ber andgft Kiel exr^e led frtm It; when he 
 to k t.b« (tep of bringing the flrrt Cow in oner, 
 Mr. Speaker Anglin. to the bar of the BooRe to 
 an wer lor his violation of the law which he 
 he peel to r af-s— tbe Icde* endence of Par lament 
 Act. He fifr. Woitf ] did nn know why the Min- 
 ister of «>nfttomB did not address the Hoas«(ii 
 theBe::ond7eadingof the bill, but he waR con- 
 fident that Mr. Bowell woald yet retrieve the 
 lost gronnd, and stand before them as he had 
 In the past, worthy and an honored mpmber of 
 thesoctet^!. It he had made a mistake, ihey 
 most not be too uncharitable with him. they 
 mnst bear patiently with him, and he was con- 
 fident that, if the time oame again, and the 
 priv'lege was allowed to Mr- Bowell, he would 
 stand up ard speak tor the Orange loeorpnra- 
 Uon bill, even If he lost his «eat la the Cabinet." 
 
 Well, Bir, so far for thD hon. gentleman, the 
 
 member of Hastings. Bnt there are some other 
 
 recent proofs of the political charaoter of this 
 
 religions and t>eneyolent organization, so far as 
 
 it Is managed in Ontario. Brother Marshal], to 
 
 whom I already- alladed, who cceapies a high 
 
 position in the order, and who was with the 
 
 hon. gentleman at Wincipsg, said :— 
 
 " The qnestion was aeked how they always 
 TOted «ory. and the answer was because that 
 party had befriended them." 
 
 You see tbe statenent li " they always voted 
 Tory," bat they are not a political organiza- 
 tion ! At the Grand Lodge meeting at St. 
 Oatharlnes, the grand master, Mr. Merrick, 
 Who is also a member of the loeal Leglslatare, 
 ■aid'— 
 
 *' I hope it will teach ns a 1esK>n for our future 
 oonduct not to trust to mere political party a<t 
 such, but f) support and woik with our best 
 enerries for those who will support and work 
 lor us; and then, no ooubt, we will be able to 
 ■ay, wiih the grand master of New hoath 
 Wales:— 
 
 " * In oouneetlon with the reoent Parliamen- 
 tary elections, we find that in every locality 
 throughout the various electorates, where a 
 lodge was in operation the chosen candidate of 
 tbe lodge received the greater number of 
 ▼otea.'" 
 
 Bat it is not a political organization t Thee, 
 Mr. Johnston, at the same meeting, said : 
 
 " They are endeavoring to make the ateooia- 
 tlonlessof a political orgaoizatlon, and more 
 of a religlouB and benevolent association." 
 
 Mr. White (Hastings). How would that suit 
 your 
 
 Mr. Blake— That wotild mlt me very well, but 
 I do not perceive that the hon. gentleman Is a 
 dolnc of it. Sir. Then there was a grand meet- 
 ing of the Triennial CoGnoll in England, at 
 whloh Canadian delfgatee were present, includ- 
 ing Mr. Marshall and Mr. Bennett Hpeecbes 
 were made by Mr. Bennett and others, and they 
 Indioatod the oonditinn of the order In another 
 QOlony, and so far are not nnlntere«tlnf. Mr. 
 Neal*', who rppresented New Zealand, Sooth 
 Australia sod Qoeentl^Dd, spoke, and said : 
 
 "The la'it general '•Ifct'on wan the vandest 
 tTlo»*»p'i f >r Ora^ireliirn eve"- wltn«>«<>ed In « w 
 Boath NV.tieN. ^I'e gutpfd no iotn than tweoty- 
 •tKiu Mats in the Coionia: Parliament ; and a 
 
 very large nimber & the other members fren* 
 returned through the Orange vote, 'and only 
 eight Romanists succeeded In gaining admia* 
 6ion." 
 
 That was the statement which theseOana^an 
 delegates heard, and which is the condition of 
 things, and the way the order is worked In New 
 South Wales. At that meeting Mr. Bennett 
 was present repiesen*.ing Ontario, and he made 
 this statement : 
 
 " I may also tell you that we have In our 
 country aa Orange paper, and we have found it 
 to have a beneflotal and magical efiTect, became 
 divided as the Protes i- nts are in the country 
 into two political partes, each ot these parties 
 bidding for the Romanist vr le, so that the or- 
 gans oi these political parties dare not, for fear 
 of oflending the Roman Caihollcs, say anything 
 in favor of Orangeism. Having a paper of our 
 own, we not only get all the ( 'range news from 
 all parts of the world, but have an organ, 
 not only to put forth our views to the 
 country, but to repel all attacks that may 
 be made ou us by the Roman Catholic and Je- 
 suit press of the country." 
 
 A roLinoAL CBsaMUiinov. 
 
 So that you find, Sir, that the Order is orcan> 
 ized. and that here in Ontario, at the present 
 day, by the confession of Its leading men, 
 though it comes here claiming lincorporatlon 
 as a religious and benevolent a'soolatioo, the 
 guise in which it appeals to its friends, the 
 voice with which it speaks to those whom It 
 expects to support it, are political. They say 
 they are a political organization. Tbey 
 vote almost unitedly one way ; they are a 
 party political organization. Nar, Sir, is it to 
 be wondered at, for we all know that in both 
 the great branches from which the order 
 springs, the Irish Grand Lodge and the Eng- 
 lish Grand Lodge, the order was for a great 
 many years, and I believe is still, political. I 
 do not intend myself to attempt any statement 
 of the origin, and still less of the progress and 
 work of the Irish lodges ; but I intend to read a 
 brief extract from a letter written by Sir Fran- 
 cis Hincks. a few years ago, in which he eayi : 
 
 " I have read in many newspapers, as well aa 
 in the sermon of the Kev. Mr. Ooudlet, a >lml- 
 lar fxprfSfllon of opinion; that the cause of 
 oflnsnce to Irish Catholics la the celebration of 
 theannlversary of the battle of the Boyne. I 
 believe that those who entertain ibis opinion 
 are under a coin plele delusion, from which It is 
 uioet desirable tiiai they shonld be frsed. Irish 
 Roman Catholics would never have resented 
 tbe oelebraLlon of an ordinary vlotory, battna 
 battle of the Boyne was theflrst of a rertesof 
 viotorles which led to the complete nubjuzatton 
 of C sit hollo Ireland to Protectant Great Britain, 
 and tne effeft of the subjngatioa was that a 
 Protestant minority, settled chiefly in <> '^ of 
 the fbur ProvlDCoa of Ireland, was enal.' l to 
 raleaRom»n Gsthoiic maiurUy in th.< Miree 
 othpr Pivivlucfs, with a nd of lrf)n. during the 
 elgiil*tenlh century, (flhaiue. nhame^l 
 
 " 1 h» motto of the Prmegianl mtoorlty for 
 jrears l>efore theOranre loditrN c^me Into exist- 
 ence, WDS ' ProteMiant Aacttndeiicy,' and tblfl 
 was malnt'>laed bv pen ii l»w«. ever auiellora* 
 linn of wD'cd laws wss rent twl by Orangemea 
 With all the Ti^or for which they have ever 
 
m 
 
 been distingnisbed. When It is borne in mind 
 that, for netrly a centary after the Battle of tue 
 Boyne, m Roman Cathollo could either be 
 elected or vot<^ fen- a member of Par lament, 
 that no Roman Caihollo could ba a lawyer or a 
 soiicitor, that no Rome n Catholic conid keep 
 arm£>, that his children could not be educated, 
 aod that his cier^y were prrscilbed, that no Ro- 
 man Catholic could own a horse worth over £5; 
 when it ia further homo in mlnU that eveiy 
 amelioration of these penal laws was gradrxilly 
 extorted from the ProteBtaatmlu-riiy, which 
 was alone represented la the Irish Parhameat, 
 by the Inauence of English atatesmen, who. 
 differing upon r ther questions, werj nearly ail 
 fiayarable to the gradual rei^eal of the penal 
 Statutes ; when, I bay, all this ift con- 
 sidered, it is not difficult to understand 
 th'i hatred that la felt by Irish Caihollos 
 to an ijjstltutlon ^ hore distinguishing principle 
 ie • Trotestant asOiUdenoy,' and whose mem- 
 bors habitually proclaim their adherence to this 
 principle by their flags and party tunes—' Pro- 
 iefltant Boys' and • Croppies lie down.' " r^i^i^s 
 of shamej. 
 
 Sir Ftanois Hlncks goes on to point 'out 
 the continued political operations of the 
 Oransremen. with reference to Catholic eman> 
 olpatlon, and with reference to church dleestal)- 
 lishment, showing their active operation as a 
 political body up to a comparatively recent pe- 
 riod. He proceeds to point out that the Orange 
 organization has existed in the Province of Up- 
 per Canada, that there they were opposed to 
 certain reforms, the promoters of which they 
 were pleased to call disloyal ; and he points out 
 that they there also were a political organiza- 
 tion. So, sir, with reference to the Bnglish 
 lodgea. you will find that at a very early day in 
 the enquiry that was made as to the Orange 
 institution in Great Britain acd Ireland, the 
 £eputy Qrand Secretary was asked some ques- 
 tions not yery long after the order had been 
 really instituted, aud he said, speaking of lis 
 true character :— 
 
 IHTOLKB41)0l 07 OBAHOIISK. 
 
 489. It is Stated here, " as part of a grand 
 Conaervatlve body, extending over the whole 
 klnsdom.and Lavlug its tiead lo the metropolis, 
 the value of our provincial esta> llshments is 
 iuimenm;" win you state what is mea t by 
 the SKtvautage ol having that general a«- 
 ■oclatlon all over the couutry, the head 
 Of the bodybPlng In the metropolis; did you 
 mean by the CiuHarvatlve body, the Loyal Or- 
 ange Instltntiou ?— No, the Inslllutlon that is 
 known by the name of the Conservative body 
 or club. 
 
 470. This Is tuned nnder the iwnotlon of the 
 trandmasterof the empire, His Royal High- 
 Bess the DnUe of furaberlaud ? Yes, to it Is ; 
 bot I should not hesitate to my It ha<l refer- 
 ence to Confervatlve association*! naore thfin 
 Drang*, but I consider the one as Interwoven 
 with the other. 
 
 471. Do yon mean that commonly called the 
 OarltoDClabr-Yas. 
 
 47i Will you K'Hto what Is meant bvlhls: 
 "Lastly, iteoRblus mcu pjSiesHiuq: weaHh and 
 
 Ktronaire in their command to dlitlnffutsh the 
 »e support of cnn<itltuilOna1 p.lnolpTes, to re- 
 ward merit and hont'sty wheunvor U tuffers 
 oppress loi pnd (Jlwlicai;" liy " U," do yon 
 ro««u the L.o> al Or -.oge Fusiltatton ?'>I should 
 lather say, taken by surprise aN I am, thai >i 
 BiBit mean the Conaervatlve InsUUitlf^ui 4 
 
 have always ooniddered the two to be so IntOBv 
 woven, with a difTerenee of name, that it is of 
 
 littie consequence. 
 
 'IS. You coneiiier the Loyal Orange Airsocia- 
 tipn of the same nature and identifled with 
 that called the Carlton Club ?— Yes, I shonid 
 consider so, with this distinction, ttiat the 
 Orange instivation is a religious Institution, 
 and the Carl'' Ji Club does nat profess to be so. 
 With rtspect to a person beiog a member ct 
 the Carlton Club, if, as a gentleman of soma 
 rank and bituation in life, he is eligible, they 
 never inquire I l>elieve into his religion, which 
 13 no exclusion ; whl'st I hft\e no reserve In 
 say'ng religion is the first principle we look to 
 In the Orange last! tut on ; w* exoiude Papists, 
 for instance, and we exolnd -> Jews. 
 
 474. Do you exclude Unitarians ?— I rather 
 think we should. 
 
 473. Do you not confine it altogether to titosa 
 who are members of the Church of England? 
 —No, we include Protestant Dissenters : we 
 have a great number ol Protestant Dissenters 
 among ns. 
 
 476. Are you to be understood to say, that 
 you believe the Carlton Clnb and the Orange in- 
 stitnllon are generally interwoven in th^lr 
 views, but you consider the Carlton Club more 
 political and the Orange Institution more r«- 
 liglous ?— Yes. 
 
 There, I think. Sir, that pretty effectually 
 proves that in the opinion of the Depaty GKrand 
 Secretary, the Orange institution and the Can- 
 ton Club were institutions of different names, 
 but having pretty much the same object. 1 hat 
 is also pi^oved, practically, by the papers which 
 were produced at that time, \mong8t others, 
 was the report o^ the Grand Secretary, in igSS, 
 in which he says : 
 
 4. Perhaps the way of all others, in whiefa 
 Orangelbm cau be turned to the best accouut, 
 or can be rend red avaiiable to beneHcial ob- 
 jects. Is by a practical ob^eivance of i.slunda- 
 mental priactples, when the exeouUve feels a 
 mcesslty for mnking an appeal to ihu 8sn>«e of 
 the nail ;n. if, however, by aa abandonment, 
 or by a compromise of those tenets, for the 
 maintenance of which they profess to vssem- 
 ble. Its members act so In'Hjnsisitntly hs to 
 countenance those candidates who avow the'r 
 hostilliyto the Prott'Siant church and a Iree 
 conHtliutlon, their continuance with us mrst 
 prove ruinous to our oausfe. So obvious will 
 this be t>i the leai>t cultlVHttd mind as to need 
 no argument in support of the fact 
 
 6. since the mania or reform It may not be 
 foreign to the pnrn -fe to oDserve, that uo small 
 portion of the brethren tavesucR Into the sift 
 captivity of Its delurioi). Uen«e it m«ynotbe 
 Hnperfluous to add, from rece ent^tious tothe 
 D.G.K both orally and lo wrl Ing, that, in oIb- < 
 regard of the "oftl' gat Ion " which la so much 
 thtilr proud but emp«.y bjsst, u nuroofrofor- j 
 ang( men have bento w«'d their suffrage h on per- 
 rons well known to be oppo-u d o the 
 •BtKtbllshmeittsot thelan'', and unftvorubl' o 
 the existence of th ir own tMdy. Mo at varl> 
 nnce 1« micli or^diict, not i eieiy with the spirit 
 but with ih« lettf^r of the law-* by which 
 their movemenfta ought to be guided— «o eon« 
 trury was it to the vo!«t«>, no Ics^ iiom feeling 
 than from honir, which they are bound tu 
 have given— as to call for and demand their 
 dlBmi<i<4al fr Mju a society, whose lu?#re«t ther 
 had b-trayed and whose safety thev hnd en- 
 danse ed. Asmen, th« Ir tndlipniHble ileht to 
 lexprolRe the freedom ('f election would ii«v£ r Im ^ 
 questioned; bui an members of an UiNtttntion ! 
 wbo assooiate for the pnrnoKeN or lovalty and 
 Cor Um la^uidJatiun oX anon a liberalism of sen- 
 
18 
 
 timcnt. tbey ought to be restrained in so 
 •Bomalond a eorrae, which ]■ oalcuiat* d to OPBt 
 a Bu*plcioa oq ibe in egrity of, to tho ertail- 
 vo»uio( H dbfcradatiou wl!b a mixture of oou> 
 teoipt on, all who btlot g to it. 
 
 6. In llinetration of tue al>ove, the D. G. S. 
 has to cffer Hn extract of » letter that he ie- 
 oeivcd from 'he 1). br. M. of Bocndale soon after 
 tbe eltcllou, tban which uoitiing can more 
 strongly Fbowi be justness of the rentarks ho 
 had pre'vlcoely Fniiortb, In coridtnar'!.tlcu of 
 H> vile a dtpaiiure frcna the pure essence oi 
 kound OrargeisnQ, as therein is reported to him 
 thus offiataly by that fnnctionary. "vlz :— 
 
 7. •• No 'Icubt i ou have heard ot the triumph," 
 ■ays the writer, " we' have gained over tne 
 Whig candidate, by the election of John En- 
 twisile, K8q.,ot Foxh'>ie8. as the representa- 
 tive of this borough. Yet after obtaining tbe 
 victory, I am not altogether Eatistled, as three 
 ot oui members voted for the Whig party, con- 
 trary to tuo principles of our loyal ln^tltution. 
 The names of the persons wno have gone 
 against us ara Rlci-ard SlmpsoD, of warrant 68 ; 
 ->ame8\*hittle8,266; and John Crossley, 302. Tlie 
 brethren of my district ca'I aloud for the ex- 
 puUion of these olTendera For Croseley I feel 
 stroni^l ", HS ha was compelled, by his master, 
 to vote contrary to his wishes. 1 hope, i here- 
 fore, you will take his case into your kind con- 
 •Ideratlon. ai I belitfve him to be r ally a true 
 Orangeman. I shall feel obliged by your advice 
 in what manner I am toatt under thcisacir- 
 cumetB^rces. At the ensuing meeting of the 
 Grand Lodge,! hope ^ on will my this case before 
 Its dignit 'ti<?p. lu the mean time 1 shall await 
 your ansr.ej with impiitienoe." 
 
 8. Much credit is du9 to the D. G. M. of Roch- 
 dale for hlfl prompt report of the8o«tielinqu nts, 
 as well as I ho brethren of the disttict lor their 
 )net reprehension of char ac ers so unworthy of 
 their fellowship. Other a. -counts of a similar, 
 though o' Us? specific.color have been transmit- 
 tFd t J the iD.G.H., wbos best atteaiion to them 
 tihall be especially given on his approaching 
 tour of geD^ral inspection. With the n^noes 
 of the districts most dis effected h« is well ac- 
 quainted, and those Masters who shall appear 
 t<> have connived at, nay, not to have used 
 strcng eflorts to prevent thete offerees, may 
 exneoi noon to be Fuperceded lu 'heir com- 
 mand. Bnon a desertion from principle on tbe 
 part of the brcthc hood, and such a derelic- 
 tion of duty on t e part of their ofHcers, at a 
 
 i coDjuctnre of peril too like the present, when 
 the aliar and the Fcep^re are alike in danger, 
 can no loagei-be (buffered topa^s with impunity 
 As an example, then, to deter ra' ber than to 
 
 i punish, let tie two chief transgressor^j stand 
 ezpellfd, andtheone so unduly influenced be 
 in pendcd. 
 
 11. The D.G.S. has now to no'lce a eommnni- 
 cation more in unison with the feellngi of Or- 
 angeism tban the last, reflecting EOlesfl honor 
 on tbe D.G.M. o! Barnsiey tban uptm the Incl- 
 viduals, lo a man, over whose proceedings that 
 functionary h"*s been Invested with a supTin- 
 tvndeiioe. Prior to the late eiectlons.tbe ctllcor, 
 parading 1)1h f(irceH, in a b ief harangue analo- 
 Ktzed the rndtments lu which tbny bad lieen 
 more tban tiaUlt onaily instructed Mince their 
 enrolment in our socIhI ban's. Hy the ImpUet*, 
 BH well as bythewritien laws, he remtndrd 
 them their action* oaght to l)e governed on 
 thf'se occasions, which was a theorem not to 
 be lefuted. llenoe, while thel- cordm support 
 wan rue to oaudluiites chertablcg sentiment « 
 roniteulal with Cotw-rvfttlv© doetrUies, tbey 
 Wire bound to wl uold it fron ahplrants enter- 
 lalntng idtHRai^favorROle tol(gUlrn«teiitR*Kn«. 
 InU« d, it wa!< tbsolnU !y tm t>ratlv« on thf >• 
 •«»» u ui<ginie 1 to utvhoid t)erB«'H who 
 were re*< lv<'d on repilrlnp, ln«i»'ad jf ofd*>K- 
 lro> tog oar v«n«iable monamiinUi ol anU4uity 
 
 'V 
 
 _. nprlghfeeona attempts to !«▼»! tfawn with 
 the dust. The consequenos of this Ingsnioac 
 step was, that the whole of the district, wi^h 
 ihree hearty cheers, declared their readiness 
 to V >te in aooordancs wlih the preeepts, in a 
 virtual sense, thus enj >ln€d on them. 8uch of 
 the membars as had no frrnchise to exercise 
 would most cheerlnlly, they said, yield their 
 assistance in any way best calculated to pro> 
 mote the good cause. 
 
 Such was the course of conduct poraued in 
 1835 by the Loyal Orange Association of Great 
 Britain. With respect to this measure now be- 
 fore the House ; after its defeat last Session, a 
 first there was a disposition on the part of tbe 
 promoters to blame the Roman Oatholio Con- 
 servative members who opposed the Dill, and 
 to cleal rather lightly with Protestant Reform- 
 ers. I might refer to a speech which the hon. 
 Qieml>erfor East Hastings [Mr. White] deliv- 
 ered in Ottawa, which the hon. member for 
 Montmagny [Mr. Landry] read in this House, 
 and which is reported in Hansard of 1883. I 
 refer also to a speech delivered by tbe hon. 
 mem Iter for Ea&t Hastings at Winnipeg, when 
 he said :— 
 
 "At the first reading, the Roman Cathalio 
 s ctlon of the House had expressed considera- 
 ble sympathy, but had been compelled to op- 
 pose it, owiUi, no doubt, to instructions receiv- 
 ed from th ) bishops and prlsls.No country could 
 afford to submit to the di tates of bi^hODS, 
 pa»st9. or ministers of any denomination. The 
 Reformers taid very little in the matter. The 
 three Keiorm representatives from Manitoba 
 actt.-4 nobly, but tbe rest were undecided as to 
 iheaction they would take. He was advised 
 to c nsn t Mr. Blake, but refused, r% that gen- 
 tleman was an Ultramontane Protestant. 
 
 " Many of the friends o( the Order did not «%ot 
 as they sbould have done. They forgot ih<it 
 they owed tbetr seatit to Orangemen, and were 
 airatd that they would t>e killed if they t^upport- 
 ed it, and he told him thu they would die any- 
 way. 
 
 " Tba Confervatlve party had not been aa 
 true to the cause as they might, but his ad- 
 vice wou d be to test them again; and it the 
 bill was defeated three times he would advocate 
 the ballot box." 
 
 There you see, Mr. Speaker, the dispiisltion to 
 which I refer, to blame tho<ie Rjman Catholic 
 m'.mbers who voted against the bill, and to 
 deal rather 11 htly, as the hon. gentleman did 
 at Ottawa, with Frotestant lieformers. [Ap- 
 plausr.] Then Major White said at Wlnnl- 
 peg:— 
 
 " 1 he association has not the iufluenoe it 
 onght »o have, becausa the memt)era wer** not 
 true to each other. The brethren sbould see to 
 it that In all municipal and leglslatlv bndl*s 
 they Ua I men who wunkt truly reprsseui tbea. 
 In tbe iiafct they bad taken the bro .d vi^w that 
 n mi«n'H religion should not be a bar to bis polu 
 ttoal prafennrut; but tbeonndaotuftheKomaa 
 Catlioiic members of tue House demoBMraied 
 that tbey could tmt represent Protestants, mupb 
 efes Orangemen." 
 
 There agaba.you see tbe s«me disposition- 41 
 disp xition to blame the Bomnn Catbolte OcO' 
 servatlve membtrs for not voting for the till, 
 '.0 deolar«* it was a measure Which tbey sbooMI 
 have aapp^ted, and to threaten tLem wttlv 
 
«■ 
 
 7141 
 
 ^pai matiera. [Chemrs.] 
 
 Mr. White. We will grant them absolntlcm 
 before next eleetlon. 
 
 Mr. Blaka I am glad the hon gentleman 
 baa the frankness and manliness to avow It. 
 The offlolal organ of the Orange bcdy says : 
 
 " The Wgotry displayed or. Monday by every 
 French atid Irish Koman Catholic member ot 
 the flonse of Common haB, however, opened 
 onr eves, and In future we snal I know how to 
 act. As we said, alt^oagh the Bsformers acted 
 foolishly and Ullberaily, still we think, under 
 the |)resent state of Canadian politics, an ex- 
 case may be found for their action, hut none 
 •whatever can ba oflfered Jor the course por- 
 ened by the Couservatlve Roman Catholics, 
 ana upon their shoulders. In the greatest mea- 
 soie, must rest the onus of our dafeat." 
 
 There again, you see the first line taken by the 
 promoters of the bill— they were prepared to 
 charge the Roman Catholics, whether Conser- 
 -vativesor Reformers, and partlcnlarly Conser- 
 vatives, with the cause of the defeat of the bill- 
 The Sentinel »ays : 
 
 " For years p^st the Orarge men of the Dom- 
 Inlnn have, un«ier various political pretexts, 
 and to meei toe esio.encies ot political partleti, 
 been Induced to support Roman Cathiillcs »t 
 the polls ; but the measure of bUoted intoler- 
 ance with which our Uoeraliiy was mft In the 
 votenponoar bill, prtclu'ies any possibility of 
 this mistake again cccurrlng." 
 
 The Sentinel goes on to say, with respect to 
 theoonrae of the leader of the Conservative 
 party :— 
 
 " The leader of the Conservative party has 
 been charged with IneinoerUy In h's effirts to 
 have the bl 1 passed, and while we believe that 
 personally he has acted with the greatest sin- 
 cerity towards ui?, and ha^ used all hl«lnflu-nce 
 to obtain for us the redress we southt, btlll we 
 cannot close our eyes to the fact tnat It Is the 
 flret measure Introduced sines 1873,w th his ap- 
 proval and sympathy, which has received sno h 
 a weak sapporu" 
 
 oaTBAOizmo thi boman GaTHo;.ios. 
 
 Now, sir. that was the flrat start. That was 
 the way the promoters of this bill began to 
 oondnot the political campaign towards pro- 
 curing a snccessfal reading of the Orange Bill. 
 Alter the attack they were honest enongh to 
 aay that they had not much f o expect from the 
 Reformera. They did say that they h^d a right to 
 expect from he Conservative Roman Catho- 
 lics their support of the bill, and they showed 
 the true price! plea of their leading men, In 
 the obaervatlona I have J oat now read, aa to the 
 oatraolam they propose to pronounce on Re- 
 man Oathoiloa generally. In conaequesce of 
 (he oourae of the Roman Catholic Conaerva> 
 Uvea with reference to the bill. I have said that 
 in Ontario it li a political organization, and I 
 aay thai it snbordinatea all other eoDSld«ra> 
 tione— its leadern cause it to snOdrdinate al 
 other consldemt'ons to the {wlitical and party 
 oonalderation. That la proved by a coune 
 Which WM puraued shortly afterwarda. 
 
 changed, and they 
 wou'd not do us 
 
 Their tactics w«re 
 seem to think it 
 
 blame the Roman Catholic Tories for opposing 
 the bill, and they must, throw the odium on the 
 Protestant Liberals, ard on me particularly, aa 
 an Ultramontana Protestant. It would not do to 
 go on saying that the Roman Catholic Conser- 
 vatives had done wrong, and that the / must 
 not return Roman Catholics to Parliament, 
 ana the hon. geuiieman did not wait until the 
 next election to gram absolution. Ee granted 
 absolution at once, and he turned the condem- 
 nation upon us. whom, for a lit Jc space of 
 time, he was Just enough to say he had no right 
 to expect mt:ch from. Ar.4 why was this 
 done ? 
 
 Mr. White (Hastings). Read what I have 
 said. 
 
 Mr. Blake. I have read what the hon, gentle- 
 man Eald— la he not satlsflea ? l cannot read 
 all his speeches, but I will gratify him. Ihsre 
 was a meeting In Ottawa at which an address 
 was presented to him, and the adiress contain' 
 ed the following naragraph :— 
 
 " From the proceedings in Parliament on the 
 Orange Incorp )ratlon Bill, we have learned a 
 bitter, but salutary lesson, and one that will 
 bear fruit In due season. While we disclaim 
 an intoiorant hp rit, we declate that henceforth 
 the Roman Catholics must be prepared to reap 
 as they have sown, and ihit If we are such dis- 
 turbers of the paace as they declare us to be, 
 we wlh for toe future abstain from voting for 
 them, acd so deprive them of the power to 
 mortify us by refusing to grant to us the same 
 rights that we have always cheerfully aocoraed 
 to them." 
 
 The hoD, gentleman's answer was as follows : 
 
 " Many Coofervatlve members nad asked 
 and begged of him not to ruin ti.em, hat he 
 toldtheui he would standby the order first. 
 Another mistake was thai of assist ing to elect 
 a Frenchman In Rassell and tn IrislJi Roman 
 Catholic [Vfr. ijaokervlile] In Ottawa city, and 
 Naidhe w^is now ashpmed of hla actloi »; ha 
 hoped the Orangomen would f irglve him for 
 asfclng them 10 voto for Ba<9kervllie. There are 
 very few Hawkinses. One R >mtn CathoUo 
 memb!?r of the House whose name he did not 
 wish 10 m»'ntlOD, said to him privately : • How 
 can we vo'e toi th's bill when the priest says 
 he has power from the Popa to djimn those of 
 his constltuena who dare vote for a oandi- 
 dttte for parllainen'ary honors who would sup- 
 port such a ni>^>«Rnre.' If the Conservatives 
 would not stand true to us, then 1 t us be Re- 
 formers. He likened Ihem. at the present dav, 
 »s being between the devil and the deep sea— 
 the Roman Catholics and the Reformera." 
 
 Mr. White (Renfrew). One word; I believe 
 the hon. gent.eman la reading from the Ottawa 
 Free Prett. 
 
 Mr. Blake. I am reading from Banaard. I 
 do not know whore It was taken from, bat it 
 was read In the House and the hon. gentleman 
 did not repudiate It. 
 
 " He kindly praised the Reformers who iutv 
 ported the HIU. He beiieved Mr. Blake had 
 made a mistake in voting agalaftt the second 
 reading. It w «. at that time, wiihi^j hlsgraap 
 to have the united Orange vote of Ontariu" • 
 
tm 
 
 Wf^m^Str, u I have said, the Tory po^t<sIaiiB ■ 
 t^iro lead and direct, and control the bnlfi: of 
 the Orangemen of Ontario, believed it wonld 
 not do to continue the battle with their cwn 
 alliefs ; and as politics are the main ingredient 
 m their view, as it is for the propagation of 
 their own party politics that they work the or- 
 der, tbey decided on taking another coarse, and 
 the flxht which existed against the Roman 
 Oathollo Conservatives wa^ pat to one side and 
 tiie flght was turned against us. Sir, it reminds 
 me of the story of the Irish duel. The first Min- 
 ister with the hon. Minister of Castoms on one 
 side, and the hon. Minister of Fublio Works 
 and the hon. Minister of Inland R^venne on 
 the other, met with hostile Intent. [Laughter]. 
 They met to fl&ht the battle to the bitter end 
 and the poor innocent fellow who la taking his 
 breaklast upstairs, away by himself is aston- 
 ished by a bullet coming through the floor and 
 ■triklng him in the leg. fie asks the waiter 
 wliat was going on, and he replies, sure it is 
 only Morlarty and 0'?uOle fighting a duel, bat 
 thank God they have fired in the air. [Loud 
 langhur.} The gentleman upstairs with 
 the bullet in his ieg did ^lot 
 tliank Providence at all. This duel 
 between the First Mmlster and the Minister of 
 Customs on the one hand, and the Minister of 
 Public Works and the Minister of Inland Re- 
 venue on the other : this great demonstra lien 
 of hostility of voting squarely agaiust one an- 
 other ; all this fire and fury and blood and thun- 
 der ; all tbia threatening and Eiaugbter ended by 
 both combatants firing in the air, and hitting 
 the poor fellow up stairs who had nothing to 
 do with the row- Now, 8ir, I do not propose 
 to bel hit without protest. (Qreat cheering. ) 
 As I have said, they have changed their ground. 
 Tney have determined that tiiey will not fight 
 with one another but with us, and what is the 
 present argument ? Ihe present argument U 
 chat tbla bill Is a contest between the Roman* 
 .Catholics and the Protestant?, and that all true 
 Protestants must unite in supporting the bill 
 against the Roman Catholics. That Is the ar- 
 gument ; that is the proposition. Yoa oannot 
 get out of it. And If we do not agree to that 
 prepositior, we are to be told that in our reli- 
 gious associations amongst those with whom 
 we confer, and co-operate in religious work- 
 that we are nut true Protestants, because we 
 have not gone against the Roman Catholics by 
 voting for carrying this measure. I have made 
 that statetuent, and with re erence to that 
 stntpment as with refe ence to the others, I 
 produce the proo^ (Loud Applause). In No- 
 vember, it$82, a lodge meeting was held at 
 Clover Hali, and an address was delivered by a 
 great man In the order. > he lata looai member 
 ' for Bonth Bimeoe (Mr> ParkhiU^ He ipoki as 
 
 ly, there is as maoh need of Oi «ngeism, both in 
 Ireland and Canada, at the present moment, am 
 the. e ever was. True, we may not have to fight, 
 as our forefathers fought, but we must ail, 
 whether Grits or Tories, bury our political feel- 
 ings and go unittid to the poUa in defence of oar 
 Protestant principles." 
 
 PSOnSTANVB CHITIHa kQAtakt OkTHOUaU^. 
 
 What is nls proposition ? I am to be told, 
 being a Reformer, that I must bury my politi- 
 cal feelings and ]oin with my frieB4, Mr Park- 
 hiU, whom I have the pleasure of knowing* 
 and whom I should not euspect, from h'l ap- 
 pearance, of poEsessing such bloodthirsty prin- 
 ciples—we are to unite against the Roman Ca- 
 tholics. At Rosemoant, on the 23th December, 
 1882, the hon. member for South Slmcoe spoke 
 at a lodge meeti ug. We are told that ^-5J^i s tuA 
 
 " Colonel Tyrwhitt, M.P., was warmly re- 
 ceived, and made a good, practical, Protestant 
 speech, in the course of which he referred to 
 ihe utter want of practical principle in the Ro- 
 man Catholic el€ct:rate. ,, The only prkic^p.e 
 they held was allegiance to their Church, and 
 to its interests; on such matters Roman Catho- 
 lic representatives were a imit In the Hon»<) of 
 Commons. They even had an Irish Catholic 
 party In the House of Commons last Session, 
 who met dally to consider their interests. 
 Wblle ail this was going on, he was sorry to ad- 
 mit that Orange and Protestant representativea 
 were dlvldsd He counselled organization and 
 uniiy en the part of all Protestants irrespective 
 of politics in order to stem the aggressive 
 march of the Papacy in this oar beloved Domi- 
 nion." 
 
 Now, this is not old. I am not revivlxig the 
 buried fires of old days. This is reported on th* 
 4th oi January, 1883. and the speech was deli- 
 vered on the 29lh of DEcember, 1882. Then, in 
 the Stntinel of I3th July, 1883, theae remarka 
 are made: 
 
 " Mr. Blake Is the most prominent man in 
 the House who voied against the bill. He is, at 
 least by profession, the Protestant of Protest- 
 antf, from who no s Jch a vote was not expected. 
 * * * He 18, above all. by virtue of his Jead- 
 ersMlp of the Opposition, the member of the 
 K<ideral Parliament whoiievote against iuoor- 
 poradon iuflaenced the largest number of bis 
 coljeagues lo vote as th»y did to violation of 
 the rights of large numbers of t.elr conoUtu- 
 ■■ nts • • But, Mr. BiaB>e, by his vote, ihvew 
 his infiaence In thoHou^e »g..iDst the bill, and, 
 uudoubicdly, then by secured its defeat. He 
 stulttfiid hts advocacy of Ontario's rights, and 
 he made plain the hollow inslucerliy of hie 
 principles. Mis pabidon in the House, his pro- 
 fessions of Protestantism, his advocacy of On- 
 tario's rights, made him a prirainent target for 
 thecens-re of Orangemen, beauseof a vote, 
 which, it he we^'e true to his principles aud 
 profesbions, he would certainly have never 
 given." 
 
 Once again yon ree the a»eition that this 
 is a question between Protestant And Cattioilc, 
 and that a man who prosetses Proteatant prln- 
 clples is losinoere If he votes sg Inst this bill. 
 There waaalM» lodge reeolatiun reported in 
 the Sentinel 
 
 " We are not surprised at Roman Catliollp 
 I uemben who pat loUgion bcl^re party ; l»at we 
 
wKiO preferred party beCoie te^^yn." 
 
 There again this is made a religioat gneiflon. 
 (Hear, hear). We are told tbat we y :ted for onr 
 party and agalntt oar principles. Tli^tChnreh- 
 ill lodge passed a resoluti'n whicb wasifiirtic- 
 ularly directed against the humole Individual 
 who now addresses you : 
 
 "We psrtlcnlarly condemn the action of the 
 Hon. £dwafd X ake, who, by voting for the bill 
 a!> one reading and against it at the uext,8howed 
 that hM was rxiora anziosas to embarrass his pcii- 
 tlcai o»tponenta tdan to do Justice to a large 
 body of bis fellow Protectants; and that we 
 onnsider such a trifling with the Question an 
 insnlt to onr order, and that in being guilty of 
 it.tbe said Hon. Edward Blake has proved him- 
 seif unworthy cl tibe name he bears as an nlira 
 Protestant, a; d also of the high position he oo- 
 onples &H leader of one ot the so-called great 
 poilticatpartieaof this country." 
 
 Once again, you observe that my innosest 
 conduct, for which I did not think 1 was to be 
 blamed, in giving to this bUl what I have given 
 to every bill brouttht into this House since I 
 have been in PHrllameBt, and what 1 propose 
 to give to almost every conceivable blU, the 
 oourtesy of % first reading, and the opportunity 
 of discussion on the second reading, I am told 
 Is trifling. Hon. gentlemen oppoeite, members 
 ot the order,oalled upon us not to be so unjnst as 
 tovoteagainstthe first reading. They point- 
 ed out that the first reading was not on the 
 merit of the bill,but that it gave an opportunl'y 
 for discussion. I thought tbey were right, and 
 I accepted their view ; but Churchill lodge 
 blames me, and various members of the order 
 aay that I was wrong. Then, Sir, the hon. 
 member for Brookville (Mr. Wood) is reported 
 to have said : 
 
 " No doubt there is danger in the air, and 
 the Orangemen of Ontario should became the 
 Ultramontane Protestant party in Ontario in 
 contradistinction to the Soman CathoUo Ultra- 
 montanes of Quebec." 
 
 Then the hon. member for East Hastlngi 
 [BCr. White], himself, at Woodstock, said : 
 
 " The day wrs not far distant. It we did not 
 show more P'uck and courage la opposing the 
 growing Inflaenco of the Papacy in <hl8 Pro- 
 vince, whsn we shonid be obliged lo fight, not 
 •8 Conservatives or Rsforrrers, but as Ptotest- 
 ante, to free ourselves irom the trammels 
 which Rumn'8 agents sought to place on us and 
 our institutions." 
 
 Mr. Marahal at Winnipeg said : 
 
 " The bin of Incorporation waa not defeated 
 by the Roman Cathollos.but by the Protestants. 
 who were pandering to the Roman Catholic 
 vote. He hoped Hrotber White would nev^r 
 aik a Catholio member t^ nnnport the bill, as 
 he con dexpfct no rupport irom them ; and if 
 hedld, h« givr them credit Ijr mim honesty 
 than politioians gent- rally possessec'." 
 
 And I perceive that only the other day, on the 
 llth March, a special meeting of the Middlesex 
 County lodge WM held, at which iV WM re- 
 
 die sex of the Loyal Orange Association is of { 
 opinion that while those who last year voted ] 
 Jor our Incorporation did but their duty in hav- ; 
 iDfTRhowr tLeir willingness to accord us vhosc 
 ) ' .'^ts which w©, as Orangemen, are ever ready 
 jxtend to alt sections of Iter MsJ-Bty's loyal 
 tubjeots we have iio wonls tx> sufficiently ex- 
 press our strong condemnation of the course of 
 those Protestant representa ives, especially 
 from Pr^iest&iit Ontario wbo from poll l?al 
 spleen voted lo deny us (their Protestant fellow- 
 clvizens) those rlgbts which they are al-vaya 
 T-llUng sycopharji'y to grant to Roman Catho- 
 lic: ; Kesoljcd, further, that we, the reprasen- 
 tatl/es of the urangemen of the county nt Mid- 
 dlesex, will not be satisfied until our full right* 
 in the matter of incorporation a-e properly ac- 
 corded to us, our motto being 'No surrender 
 and no compromise,' and that a c(H>y of the re« 
 solutions be sent to the public press." 
 
 Now, Sir, I tnink I have shown to you that, 
 as I have said, the line of attack was altered— 
 that the line of attack upon their party friesda, 
 and upon their opponent!, who, they laid, 
 ought to support the measure, and who should 
 be ostracised for not supporting It, they are 
 obliged to abandon in order to represent this as a 
 case in which all Protestants ought to combine 
 and in which no man of true Protestant prin- 
 ciples could have given, or could repeat a vote 
 against the second reading of this bilL 
 
 BlLI6Ivt78 WAR. 
 
 WeU. that may bo true ; but if it be true I ask 
 this House, without distinction of creea or 
 party. If It is not a serious state of things. I 
 ask if it be not a serious state of things that re- 
 ligious war is to oe raieed in this country ; be- 
 cause that is what it is. [Applause]. If it be 
 the case that, as a matter of fact, this is an is- 
 sue raised bfifore ns, in which all Protestants 
 are to be on one side, end all Roman Catholio* 
 on the other, and in which I, a firm Protestaatii 
 am to be told that I am untru| 
 to my profession of religion, to miE 
 Protestant principles, if 1 do not vote with 
 the Orangemen for that bill, Is not that a 8erl# 
 ous state of things ? And if this be true, I say 
 that every true lover of this country must de- 
 plore such a state of things, and must forboda 
 the greatest evil to hi4 country from its exist- 
 ence. (Cheers). Now, Sir, I deny entirely that 
 tbat is a neceoBity. I deny that there ought to 
 exist such »n Issue ; and I tell the hon. gentle* 
 man opposite that no matter what his threat* 
 may be, no matter whether he raaysay tha^ 
 my speech does me harm or good,> he will 
 neither seduce, nor threaten, nor drive m* into 
 any such issue on any such light or any anefy 
 profesulons. In furtherance of this same plan, 
 this attempt to produce a rellgiou* prejudice 
 agRlnst those who oppose this bill, the hon. 
 gentleman and others are declaring that I ana 
 controlled by the A^rchblahop of Toronto. , .■) 
 
 Mr, White (Habtlngs— So you are. 
 "^ Mr. Blake-I tell the hon. gentleman th*t h* 
 ■tates that which is not the tmtb (Lsod api 
 
93 
 
 |>lftni«). NotwlthstftnOlng that I am relltyed 
 from ihe necessity of proving my case as to his 
 itatement, ^y his own »t«temeut In (his 
 ' Hoosd. I proceed to give the evidence of that as 
 I have given the evidence of otuer thliigs. He 
 ■aid: 
 
 **He(Mr. MowRt] was controlled byAroh- 
 blnbop Lycob, and tbey must come to the oon- 
 cl'biion ibat be, too, oontroUea Mr. Blake. No 
 donbt orders went . from tbe Palace at Toronto, 
 acd the great Beform gentlemen had to obey." 
 
 I determined, as soon as I saw tbls statement 
 cf tbe hon. gentleman, that I would meet him 
 bere, face to face, and have this oat with him, 
 and have It oat with him I will. This is not all. 
 The Bev. Brother Wright, at a meeting in 
 . Leeds, said : 
 
 " Tbe Oranftemen were not defeated In JE^r> 
 llament solely by the Roman Catholics, bat 
 through tbe Instromentalltly of Outarin politi- 
 cians who considered the smiles of Borne of 
 S greater va'ne than the approbation of their 
 ellow Protestants. Tne bill was defeated be- 
 cause Arcbblsbop Lynoi said, no. Christopher 
 Fraser repeated, no; and Edward Blake bowed 
 his bead and wnispered." 
 
 He voted no the last tlme^bnt I trust the hon. 
 gentleman will admit that his negative this 
 night was not given in a whisper. 
 
 Mr. White [Hastings] I drove you to It. 
 
 Mr. Blake— You drove me to it! Manage 
 your own drove. At Winnip^, again, the hon. 
 gentleman oaid : 
 
 " Unfortunately Archbishop Lynch had 
 Mowat bound band and foot, and it was even 
 hinted he was getting a hard hold on Mr. Blake. 
 Let US hope our own leader will keep the spirits 
 clear." [Laagbter]. 
 
 An hon. gentleman— He has no confidence in 
 the breed. 
 
 ABOHBIdBOP LTNCI ABO MB. BLAKI . 
 
 Mr. Blake. My hon. friend says he has no 
 coDfldence in tbe breed. Now, I have had tue 
 honor of the acquaintance, for a considerable 
 time, of His Grace the Archbishop of Toronto, 
 and I hope, being both of us Irishmen, I may 
 even call myself his friend. (Gheersi. I have 
 never, either directly or indirectly, through 
 others or myself, by speech or writing, or in 
 any way, had the slightest communication 
 with Archbishop Lynch on any one political 
 topic, of any description whatever— not this 
 One only, but any political topic of any descrip* 
 tiOD. For augbt I know, unless ne 
 may have given public utterance to the con- 
 trary, that prelate may entertain tbe same 
 view with reference *>o the Orange Blil as I ob« 
 •erve the hon. member for Hastings has said 
 Archbishop Taohe has, viz., that he was in favor 
 of its beicg passsd But I s%y that to tbls, as in 
 all other particulars, I have acted entirely upon 
 my ovrn Judgment and wholly frej from every 
 —I will not saydiotaUon or control— but at- 
 Umfik Hi dl^aUoa ok eontrol, hint 
 
 or mggeitionf knowledge or Informal 
 tiou, as to what the oninionf 
 of that prelate or of any other prelate or digni- 
 tary or persoui' o{ the Roman Catholic laith 
 might beon the subject [Loud applause] I 
 have action convletions which 1 have entev* 
 tainedever since I came into public life, on 
 convictions which I was known to have enter- 
 tained in the Legislature, and to have expressed 
 whrai the question was likely to have come up 
 in the House, with reference to another seeret 
 organization— convictions hostila to tbe 
 incorporation of secret corporations, hostile to 
 the incorpcvatlon of the Orange socitey. 
 [Cheers]. It is perfectly true that 
 I am, as the hon gentleman says> 
 • Protestant, as it is also true— I snopose that 
 is the me.'uiing of his phrase ultramontane— 
 that I am of that school of thought which is 
 most opposed to what I believe to be the dog* 
 matlc errors of the Church of Borne. That li 
 perfectly true. I protest against those errors, 
 but I am a substantial advocate of religious 
 freedom and equality ,and the full rights of con- 
 science, and aa the Ontario leaders of the 
 Orange Society declare that that Province is 
 ruled by the Roman Ctetholie clergy, itiled ik>- 
 lltlcally, and that it must be freed from the 
 domination of the Roman OathoUc clergy by 
 subverting Mowat, I notice they have some* 
 times said a word with reference to the oondnot 
 of the Province of Quebec, and as to its rule: 
 I desire here to advert to this matter, speaking 
 with the same plainness of speech which 1 have 
 used this evening, though I may psrhaps of • 
 fend some of those who may have listened 
 with approval to some things I have hitherto 
 said— I say I do not find this pretension to be 
 the exclusive standard-bearers of Protestant 
 principles and to lay down a rule and 
 measure with which, imless all Pro* 
 testants comply, they are untme to their 
 principles, to be the proper attribute of this as> 
 so. iation, Judged by its leaders in Ontario. I 
 have spoken of Quebec. 
 
 TBI LIBIBAb PABTf Ol QUIllO. 
 
 Now, in that Province there have been, for ft 
 long time, some y ersons— some parsons only, I 
 am glad to say— who have striven to create that 
 rsffime in favor of their own party, who 
 have insisted on extreme pretensions as to the 
 rights of the clergy to use their Influence in the 
 elections ; who have sought to drag the clergy 
 into the political arena ; who have sought to 
 pervert" certain general language whloh 
 was used by the authorities of 
 the cburch fronn its tnt sense 
 and to turn it to the oondemnation of one po- 
 litical party ; who have eought to maintain yte 
 view that the clergy should refuse the rights of 
 the oharoh to persons on aoeonnto their votes, 
 who have ionght to repeal the law as to ondiM 
 infloeaoea. aa far aa it atoettd Uie eleig r a B * 
 
*i 
 
 18) 
 
 •ft 
 
 t''-- 
 
 M lh»T0 can be no doabt that tbess eflforti oa tlie 
 - :; part of some personalin Qaebeo met,in the past, 
 rf with a measuie of sacoess. Pressure was used 
 I in several counties against the candidates oi 
 ••" one political party, as Liberal Catholics, and 
 ■; the struggle was severe and resulted 
 . In a great weakening of that party, from wliich 
 ° It has not even yet recovered. The members of 
 ■ that party appealed,under these cireumstancfis, 
 to three tribunals; th»y appealed to public 
 -' opinion, to the courts of the land, and to the 
 highest authority in ihelr own church. They 
 fought a lOBK and arduous fight, which reached 
 its climax, perhaps, in from 1875 to 1881. PubUc 
 opinion, one of the tribunals to which 
 they appealed, was roused to a con- 
 siderable degree in the Province of 
 I" Quebec, and many Protestants there even 
 changed their political views and left the party 
 with which they had usually acted, because 
 they felt this pressure was a pressure inconsist- 
 ent with the proper use of religion and the 
 proper use of the cnurch ; they appealed also 
 to the lawl and the law was vindi- 
 cated in several cases ; they appealed also to 
 the highest authorities in the church, and 
 ^ those authorities also interfered. We know 
 well, for it is public to us what was done. We 
 know that, in 1876, an instruction was sent out 
 from the Supreme Congregation of the Holy 
 Odce in these words ; 
 
 The bishops of Canada must understand that 
 the Holy Bee recognizes the extreme gravity of 
 the facts reported by them, and ihat It in pir- 
 tioularly deplored that the authority of the 
 clergy and of the holy ministry fihould euffar 
 thereby. It is, therefore, necessary, to repair 
 the great damage done, to root up the evil. The 
 cause of these serious inconveniences is to be 
 found in the divisions that exist among bish- 
 <^ on political subjects, as well as upon other 
 questions that attract attention in Canada Ht 
 present. To puf an end to these regrettable dis- 
 ■ensions. It will be necessary that the bishops, 
 acting in consort with Mgr. the Apostolic 
 Delegate sent to Canada, should agree 
 together to determine what line of 
 action is to be followed by one and 
 ail of them with reference to the several polit- 
 ical parties. Another cause of the same incon- 
 venience is to be found in the want of prudence 
 on the part of some of the clergy who Interfere 
 in political matters. The pioper remedy lor 
 this excess of zeal Is to recall to the memory of 
 the bishops what had already been recommend- 
 by this Supreme Congregation on 
 
 ■! 
 
 i. 
 
 , */?^*^ - '"^y^ 
 
 
 .^ 
 
 Wit : what measures mtuAloiitiSt^nTikinllf 
 to the Catholics, who by reason of alleged in- 
 terference by the clergy in po itlcal election:^ 
 have recourse io a civil tribunal, a general rule 
 cannot be laid down for the bishops to follow* 
 and it will consequently belong to him, whose 
 office it is, to provide in each case, a rule tori 
 the conscience of the person who takes such re-' 
 course. Let the bishops then take the neces- 
 sary steps to save the honor of the derg'^, 1 
 taking care especially to prevent as much aa I 
 possible that ecclesiastical persons should not • 
 be obliged to appear before lay judges. The ] 
 bishops should be exhorted to observe, f 
 in political affairs, the greatest re- | 
 serve; considering particularly the danger 
 ot provokins a war against the 
 Church by the Protestants, who are already 
 showing unquietness and irritation to- 
 wards the clergy, underpretenoe thai the latter J 
 exercise undue Influence at political elections, l 
 The clergy should never call any persons by i 
 name from the puipit, especially if it Is to oast 
 diecredlt upon them in connection with elec- 
 tions ; they should never make use of theeccles- 
 iasnoal ministry's influence to forward particu- 
 lar ends, unless the candidates might become 
 hurtful to the real interests of the Church. 
 
 Now, Sir, that wc.% followed up by the pastor- < 
 al letter and cirenlar tLat were issued alter the 
 arrival of the Delegate Apostolic, and after an 
 understanding had been reached with him in 
 
 '*"• . , , . I 
 
 The gravity of the events that have sneeeeded • 
 each other since the last general elections, and 
 the numerous and divers diflJonlties that have 
 arisen therefrom, make it a duty on our part to 
 briefly recall, my dear brethren, the prlnclpleis 
 and rules which govern our conduct, and 
 which are given us, up to the present, in our 
 councils, our circulars and our pastorals, and 
 notably !n that of the 2and of September, 1875. 
 
 ThP ninth decree of the fortieth council lu 
 1863 states our obligations as electors:—" Let 
 the pastors instruct the faithful with care upon 
 tbelr duties at elections ; let them be given to 
 understand that the sanae law that confers upon 
 citizens their right to exercise their suffrage, 
 also imposes upon them the serious obligation 
 of ezerclsiuG: this suffrage when it is neocMary 
 and always according to the dictates of their 
 conscience in the eyes of God and for the good 
 of religion and the country ; consequently the 
 electors are always obliged, before Gk>d, to give 
 their support to the candidate whom they Judge 
 to be truly honest and able to discharge the 
 important duties conflded to his care, which 
 consist of watching the interests ot religion 
 and of the state and to work falthfally in this 
 direction. | 
 
 Then, after pointing out what had been done j 
 in 1833 and 1875, and giving a warning against j 
 
 the pastoral | 
 goes on to say :— \ 
 
 -T-^--^ 
 
 gi to them _ - _ „_.„ 
 
 Wednesday, the 29th of J uiy, 1874, which was the doctrines CatTiotJco-Xiberale*, 
 to the effect that upon the ocoa>ion of political ' 
 elections they restrict themhwlves in giving ad- 
 vice to electors to those rules decreed la their 
 lirovlnclal council of 1868. 
 
 It must be added that the Church in condemn- 
 ing liberalism do<»s not intend ta strike at all 
 and every political party which may happen lo 
 call itseii Uberal, since the decislous uf the 
 f /huroh refer to certain errors opposed to the 
 Oatholic doctrine, and not at any particnlar 
 party: and oonsaquently those do wrung who, 
 Without any other eTonndp, say that one ot the 
 political partic of Canada is condemned by tue 
 Church— that is, the party calling itself Ite- 
 formers— who, heretofore, have been sapporttd 
 hf even bishops. In flne.with reference to what 
 regards the principal object under discus8ion,to 
 
 Unfortunately, and against our intention, I 
 some have thought ihey saw In these docn- ] 
 mentti an aband 'nment of the domain of prin- \ 
 clples to descend to the sphere of party politics 
 and ot persons. We have endeavored to teach 
 you the real doctrine on the constitution a-'d 
 rights ot the Church, on the rights and duties 
 of the clsrgy in society, on the obligations of 
 the Catholic preso, and on the sauenty of an 
 oath ; such was our only end ; such is still our 
 intenilon ; and, by so doing, we but follow the 
 example of the Holy See, which, by 
 condemnins the errors of Catholic | 
 liberalism, has abstained from slgnaUng 
 out any person or political party. There does 
 

 ^- .1—1 n o^lx^i •■ *r i~.- r- -, 'jpj^_ 
 
 ^ps 
 
 not ezlgt, in taiSIf, 7 Ilieir-^GinSIIloVHeeiPf 8W^^ 
 demnlng any poililcalipartyNrhateTer ; mil con- 
 demnatlonv coming, so far, irom this venera- 
 ble SGurge, have reference solely to the Catholic 
 Liberals and to their principles ; and it is in 
 th^s Fiensa that the brief addressed in Septem- 
 
 ber. 1876, to one of us, should be understood. 
 Kollowln<! the example of the Holy Pontifi and 
 the wise order of the FortietblConncll, we leave 
 it to the conscience ct every one to Judge, with 
 GkMl's help, who are the men reached by this 
 oondcmnailon, without regard to the political 
 party to which they may belong. 
 
 Now, Sir, at the same time, as I have said, a 
 circular letter was issued to the olergj, froTO. 
 which I will read an extract or two : 
 
 In analyzing the ninth decree of the Foiti- 
 eth Ck}nncll. and the eighteenth of the Fif- 
 teenth Council, we find that the clergy mi-'st 
 conflLeitself to instruct the people upon their 
 duties and electoral obligations, which are as 
 follows : 
 
 1st.— To vote when sufficient reasons exist to 
 do so. 2nd— To vote according to conscience 
 and in the eyes of God, by giving his vote to a 
 candidate whom he Judges to be really honest 
 and capable of luifllling his duties, which is to 
 keep a watohfal eye upon the interests of re- 
 ligion and of the State. 3rd— Not to sell his 
 \ot«. 4th— To avoid intemperance, calumny 
 and perjury. 
 
 Another passage reads thus : 
 
 When you have thus explained to the peo- 
 ple the principles which should guide ihem, 
 leave it to the conscience of each one to apply 
 It to person, and to parties ; and when a peni- 
 tent tells you that he has conscientiously voted 
 in the eyes of Uod, do not doubt his good faith, 
 but put ttiis weil-known maxim tu practcc: 
 Cfredendum est posnitenti tarn pro se quam 
 contra se dicenti. 'x'hen again, sir, he says :— 
 
 The decree of ttie Fortieth Council lo: bids yon 
 implicitly to teach, fiom the pulpit or else- 
 wnere, that it is a sin to vote for such a candi- 
 date or for such poUiioal party ; and a fortiori 
 you are not to Announce that you will refuse 
 the sacraments for such a cause. 
 
 ivever give your personal opinion from the 
 pulpit. 
 
 DO not scnist at any political assembly , and 
 do not make any public dlsouurse on such mat- 
 te^.i without the pet mission of your ordinary. 
 
 If you havetherigdtta vote you can do so, 
 but let 1* be wtth prudence and without osten- 
 tation. It is desirable that yor should chooc^e 
 ttiH mi 8t opportuLe time to cast your vote and 
 not wait until the lust moment when the ex- 
 ciementisat its height.; do not remain near 
 tbe pi ca where the election takes place. 
 To 1ho£3 who waut to consuit you privately an- 
 swer them with prudence, remain calm.wlthont 
 enterini; iutodiscDSSloDS that migbt oompro- 
 m'sey our character,bf cause yna know the most 
 innocent anl true remarks are ousnohocca- 
 8 ODs likely to be wrongly Interpreted, 
 wrongly understood and wrongly report- 
 *.4. jDven in the event ot extraordinary 
 '^oltement prudence should dictate that 
 ' ou^ ehould merely state that what you 
 (aid in the pulpit should suffice for their guid- 
 ance. 
 
 »HI O&TH^LIO OBUBOH. ; 
 
 Well, Bir, these documents to which I have 
 referred contain, I m»y say, some iDjunclions 
 la which I think the pastors of the Boman 
 Catholic Church set an admirable example to 
 the payors of the other churches; I mean par- 
 ticularly those it Junctions against selling t^ 
 
 aga^at intemperance, against ealsmmy sad 
 against peijury. Then we go further. I do not 
 confine myeelf wholly to the statements made 
 by these ecclesiastical dignitaries. About the 
 same time, a discussion was raised In this Par- 
 liament, and I wish to show that the views 
 which are reprehended by these documents are 
 views svhich are not held byall Boman Catholics 
 even of the Conservative party. On the 11th 
 February, I think, in the year 1877, Senator 
 Masson, then a member of this iHonse, used 
 these expressions : 
 
 " Now, sir, the hon. gentleman ^says in his 
 letter that the party with which I act was con- 
 trolled by a power which declared that free 
 thought was a cardinal sin. Well, sir, I say 
 that this is no more nor less than a slander on 
 the Conservative party ; and as a Conservative 
 and an Ultramontane, as I am called by hoiL 
 gentlemen on the other side of the Hons?, 
 from the Province of Quebec, as the leader 
 of the Ultramontanes, I say that the 
 Conservatives of the Province of Quebec, 
 and I speak advisedly, are ready to give to the 
 clergy of the Province, on religions questions, 
 that submission and that coaAnence which, a > 
 cording to our creed, we are obliged to give 
 them ; r^arding questions relating to the ma- 
 terial progress of the country, snd the political 
 affairs of the country, we are ready and shall 
 always be ready to give to the opinion of these 
 gentlemen that respect to which they are en- 
 titled, owing to their high Intelligence, their 
 erreat virtue and their disinterestedness ; bat we 
 are not ready to give any more." 
 
 Well, the matter was not finally settled. Not- 
 withstanding what had been said, the discus* 
 sion went on. Still the quMtion was raised, 
 and raised in pretty Infiuential quarters, on the 
 part of the Conservative party in Quebec, with 
 reference to the law as to undue influence, and 
 1 felt it my duty— thinking the question might 
 become a serious one, and desirous to place nly- 
 self on record, and as I might by my voice in- 
 fluence my fellow coimtrymen— to speak upon 
 the subject myself, and|I didlso at the village of 
 Teeswater, in the year 1877 : 
 
 " Another demand of a very different charac- 
 ter has been made from very high quarters, 
 namely, that we should alter the law as to un- 
 due influence. Now. the basis ol our represen- 
 tative institutions is that our elections shs^I be 
 ftee. Each of us is called on to surrender hia 
 share of control over the common affairs to 
 the majority, upon the ground that this sur- 
 render is necessary, for so only can we reach a 
 decision ; but also on the hypothesis, without 
 v^hichthe demand would be quite unjustifi- 
 able, that, all having a common interebt, and 
 each man speaking £reely for himself, the 
 view of the majority is more likely to be 
 sound— is more likely accurately to represent 
 what WJUld be beneficial to the eommimity 
 than the view of the minority. This Is the 
 ground-work. Now, that ground-work 
 wholly fjails if the vote be not the 
 expre»eion of the voter's own opinion, but the 
 expression of somebody else's opinion dlftet- 
 ent from his. I Hear hear] If, instead of ita 
 being his opinion, It be the opinion of his em- 
 ployer, his landlord, his creditor, or his minl- 
 ter, why, it is not his vote at all, it is somebody 
 else's, and we have not submitted ourselves to 
 the free yoloe of our fellow eoontrymen, but 
 
 # 
 
m 
 
 ',-ii^~\ 
 
 ponibiy to tbe'VoiiBe of i f«ry i&alL^gaiiiority . 
 who have determined what the voice of the 
 largtr numbc r Is to be. Thss the whole basis 
 ofocr representative in stltntions wonid be de- 
 stroyed if we permitted the opinions tf our em- 
 ployer-, creditors, landlords or ministers 
 to be forcibly substituted ror onr own- fHear, 
 hear.] For this reason, besides thepenalties which 
 are enacted against the exercise of undne in- 
 flaenoii, we have declared that the vote of any 
 man so unduly influenced shall be null and 
 void, and that elections carried by such undue 
 influences shall be annulled. I cannot, if a 
 landlord, say to my tenant, ' Now, tenant, I 
 •hall tmn yon out at the end of your term if 
 you do not vote for my candidate.' Though I 
 may have a legal right to turn him oat at the 
 end ot the term, yet I cannot give the intima- 
 tion that I will, on this ground, exercise this 
 right. If I do, the vote is annulled as not free. 
 I cannot, if a creditor, say to my debtor, - 1 
 will exact that debt at once if you do not vo te 
 aa I wish,' though I may have a legal 
 right to exact my debt. I cannot, if 
 an employer, say to my employee, ' You 
 , shall leave my employment at the end 
 of the current term unless you vote with 
 me,' though the law may not oblige me to re- 
 tain him in my service. It has been found ne- 
 cessary in all these cases to prevent the rela- 
 tions to which I have referred from being made 
 the means of unduly influencing tbe vote, in 
 order that tals great cardinal principle of oar 
 Constitntion— the freedom of each man to vote 
 according to his own opinion— may be preserv- 
 ed intact. [Sear, hear] Tine. tiie landlord, and 
 the creditor, and the employer have each the 
 right to speak and persuade by aiguments ; and 
 the confidence placed in them may be such that 
 the voter's opinion may be changed ; bat be- 
 tween the argament, the persuasion, th« coufl- 
 dence which may couduoe to a change in the 
 mind and opinion of the voter, and that 
 ' coercion which oomnels him to vote contrary 
 to his mind on the threat ot some loss or pen- 
 alty, there is a broad and palpable distinction, 
 and that is the distinction which the Uw lays 
 down. Now, if there be a form of religion un- 
 der which the minister is supposed to have the 
 power, by granting or refusing certain rites, or 
 by making certain declarations to aflTect the 
 ■tate of th« voter after death, is it not perfectly 
 obvious that the threat of such results to the 
 voter onlehs he votes in accordance with the 
 opinion of the minlNter, might be infinitely 
 more potent than any of the other threats 
 which I have nanaed->the exaction of a debt, 
 the ejection of a tenant, or ihe djscharge of an 
 employe? fHear, hear]. And would not such 
 a threat be obnoxious t j Jast the same objec- 
 tion?" 
 
 PBUOXPLIS—THBIB 
 
 OHBIinAM 
 
 ▲HD POLITIOMi 
 
 TBUl B1LATICII8. 
 
 ** 1 am far indeed from implying that politics 
 Bhonld not be handled on Christian principles. 
 Whatever difSculties and differeucA there may 
 be AS to Christian dogma, there is, fortnnatoly, 
 very little dlflTerence concerning Christian 
 morals, ffe are, fortunately, all united in this 
 country in the theoretical recognition— however 
 £ar we mur fall in the practical obsei vance— of 
 the great doctrines of Christian morality which 
 are handed down to us in tne Gospels ; and I be- 
 lieve it is on the basis of those doctrines 
 that the politics of the country should 
 be carried on. (Hear, hear, and loud 
 cheers.) l/im indeed would be our hopes, end 
 dark our expectations for the future, if they 
 did not embrace the cominK of that glorious 
 day when those principles shall be tru.y. fully 
 and iHraetsoally recognised— if we di . not looic 
 forward to the fuuiiment of promises that ' the 
 
 doms of the Lord ;' and that * pation shall iMt 
 make war against nation, nniOier shall *th^ 
 learn war any xiiore ;' if we did not watch for 
 the time when the human law of selMnterest 
 and hate shall be superseded by the Divine law 
 of self-sacriflce and love. Bat while we hope 
 and strive for the accompiishmeot of 
 these things, we mast not forget the les- 
 sons of the Great Teacher and Ex- 
 emplar. When interrogated upon secular 
 things— whea asked as to rendering tribute to 
 C'cesar, He saia, ' Bender unto Caesar the 
 things that are C8e''ar'e, and to God the thiogs 
 which are GkMl's.' He laid down the principle, 
 and He left the people— the qaeristCH-to make 
 the application. So again when He wcs called 
 upon to settle a dispato between two brothers 
 about an inheritance. He said : * Man, who 
 made Me a Judge «r divider over yon?' 
 Bach wae the view He took as the duty of a 
 mintster, as to the work of the palpit ; and 
 while I do not hesitate to say that to 
 all ministers I would freely accord the 
 right as citizens of voting, of express- 
 ing their opinions, of arguing and per- 
 suading and influsnoing if they please, my own 
 opinion is that the pastor of a flock divided on 
 politics will oe much more likely to retain the 
 tuUest confidence of all the members of that 
 flock, and so to discharge efltetually his great 
 task, if he abstains from active interference in 
 those political affairs on which there is and will 
 be greaii dlvlsiou of opinion among them. 
 [Hear, hear, and loud cheers.] But, Sir, it has 
 been araued in some qoarters that the free ex- 
 ercise of one form of leiigion amongst ns is im- 
 va! red by this law. That would, indeed, if true, 
 be a serious thing. But, if it were trne, 
 we would still be bonnd, in my 
 opinion, to preserve the ftindamental principle 
 of the freedom of the elector. (Bear, hear, and 
 cheers.) Mo man, any article of whose creed, 
 should make him a siave, would be fit to con- 
 trol either his own destiny or that of free men. 
 A slave himrolf ,he would be bat a proper instm- 
 ment to make slaves of others. Bach an article 
 of religion would, in a word, be inconsistent 
 with free institutions, beoaase it would not 
 permit that libertv of opinion in the individual, 
 which is their very base and corner stone.(Hear 
 hear, and cheers ) But we are not confronted 
 with that difflculty. The public and deliberato 
 utterances of high dignitaries in more than 
 one Province of Canada have shown that the 
 asaertioa is unfounded, and have recognized 
 the right of every elector to vote according to 
 his consoicnoe ; and the recent statement -com- 
 municated to tee public through liord Denbigh 
 —of the head of that Church, shows that tne 
 United Kingdom, where the law as to undue in- 
 fluence IS precisely the same as ours, is 
 perhaps the only country in Europd where 
 the professors of that religion are iree to 
 practice it. If this be the case in the 
 United Kingdom, it is so here, and it is not trne 
 that there is any form of religion, the free and 
 full exercise ot which is impaired by the pre- 
 servation of the great principle to which I have 
 referred. I trust, then, that the ill-advised pre- 
 tensions which have been set up will be 
 abandoned ; but should they be pressed, I take 
 the opportunity of declaring that for myself, 
 whatever be the consequence, I shall stand by 
 the principle which I have laid down— [loud 
 oheerF]— and shall struggle to preserve— so far 
 as my feeble powers permit— to each one of my 
 feilow-conntrymen, whatever his creed, 
 the same full and ample measure of civil 
 (reedom which he now enjoys under those 
 laws which enable him and me, though we 
 may be of diverse faiths, to meet here on the 
 same platform, and here to differ or agree ao- 
 eordtng to our own political convictions. Mid 
 
 kingdooui of this world ibaUbtwjMtheUM-lhotaoooidinstowtf fldUvor tti,edi»>. 
 
at 
 
 l^ig m fartber commnnicatlon dealing with 
 
 biepetwo Kibjeota to wbioh'l have referred, 
 
 and from it I will trouble the HonBewlth a 
 
 very brief extract. It is a commimioation 
 
 from the Prefect of the Saored Gongregation. 
 
 Cardinal Bimeonl : 
 
 It has oome to the knowledge of the Sacred 
 Congregation of the Propaganda thatin^onr 
 province certain membera ot the clergy and of 
 Che secular body oontinue to interfere too mach 
 m political elecUons, by using either the pulpit, 
 thepapersor other publications. It has also 
 come to the knowledge of the aforesaid Sacred 
 Congregation that certain suffiragans of Your 
 Grace <a« actually seeking to have Parliament 
 effect a modUicatlon in the election laws rela- 
 tively to what is called *' undue influence." 
 
 Andithat, so far as I know, was the flna* set- 
 tlement of that controversy, so far as concern- 
 ed the views of the highest authorities of the 
 Church, repeated after an Interval of years. 
 During that controversy, on 20th January, in 
 the year 1876, the Archbishop of Toronto ad- 
 dressed a public letter to my hon. friend tha 
 member for East York [Mr. Mackenrie], which, 
 dealing as it does with this subject, may aj^ro- 
 priatelyberMUiatthistime. It is as follows :— 
 
 LIVTIB FBOU AB0HBI8HOP LTXOH. 
 
 >* ToBOSTO, 20th January, 1876. } 
 
 " Hon. A. MACKBNznB, ^ . 
 
 •< Premier of the l)ominion of Canada. 
 
 Hon. AHd Dsab Sib.-I think this is an op- 
 portune time to inform you and your Govern- 
 ment that priests in our Archdiocese are strict- 
 iv forbidden to make the altar or pulpit of 
 their churches the tribune of polittoal har- 
 angues for or against any Party or candidate for 
 elecUOQ ; or to threaten any spiritual disability 
 tat voting wl'h either psrty. 
 
 •• Priests may, of cocrse, instruct their people 
 on the conscieptioui obligation of voting for 
 the candidate whom they Judge will best pro- 
 mote the interest ' of the country ; of taking no 
 bribes: and of conducting themseives at the 
 •lecUons in a 107al and peacefW manner ; but 
 thev are not to say to the people, firom the altar, 
 that they aie to vote for this candidate and re- 
 ject the other. 
 
 "It would be very imprudent in a priest, 
 whose congregation is composed of Liberals 
 and Conservatives, xo become a warm partizan 
 of either poUtioal party. 
 
 " It would neutralize his influence for good 
 In too many instances, and a priest requires all 
 be possesses to forward the interests oi his whole 
 oongregation. 
 
 " It Is true that a priest. In his ordination, 
 does not renounce his rights of citizenship, nor 
 does he receive authoriiy to impose on his con- 
 gregation his own particular views ol politics. 
 
 ♦• The Catholic ChuToh asks no epecial favor 
 Irom any party. Her existence is independent 
 of both. She a«ks only that her peoole be put 
 nnder no unjust restraint or bar It i^ irue 
 that the old legislaUon of jflngland made the 
 Catholic religion a bar to paiitical and almost 
 •odal exiitenoe; and though wia^ ooimollB 
 
 'mSWpfSrSP&^^Gmau SSd Parllamanta, j^ 
 some of the Froteatant populace, and an co» 
 oaslonal statesman in his individnal ofpaolty. 
 so long educated in the traditions of the past, 
 retain a deep-rooted prrjudice and suspicion not 
 easily conquered. That the Catholic reiigicm 
 should not be a bar to preferi^ent, ard 
 that the Catholic Church is inimical 
 to free Institutions and unfavorable to 
 State rights. This is still a reproducUonoftba 
 old Pagan cry : " The Christians to the befsta,' 
 or the old Jewish accusation : ' We have 
 found this man perverting our nation and for« 
 bidding to give tribute to Cseaar.' 
 
 '* The Catholic Church asks only liberty to co 
 good, and to be untrammelled by unjust law 
 in the exercise of her divine rights. I migli r- 
 here remark, that when in a free country, > e- 
 ligious and saeredtrights are brought into tli > 
 arena of politics, then the Catholics have t«j> 
 lollow tham to the polls and contend there f ii 
 their right, as in the case of education. Wn 
 believe that parents have a right to eda. 
 cate their children as th»y pleasa. 'Train 
 up a child in the way it should go and whun 
 he is old he will not depart from iU' Hence, 
 when the Catholics of Liower Canada conceded 
 the rights of separate education to the Protes- 
 tant minority of Lower Canada, the Catholic 
 minority of Upper Canada claimed the eame 
 right, but had to contend for this right at the 
 elections, and thus religions questions are drag- 
 ged out of their sphere. The oaiholic does cot 
 permit nis religion to hinder the progress of tie 
 country, or the peaceful exercise of a diflerenfc 
 religion to his neighbors. When his religions 
 principles are safe, the Catholic, under the im- 
 pression that party government is a leaser ev i '. 
 gives his support to that which he thinks wi'l 
 perform its duties for the grsator good of tie 
 coantry and the happiness of the people. 
 " X am. Honorable Sir, 
 
 ', Your very obedient servant, 
 - «* John JosBa?H Lynch, 
 
 •• Archbishop of Toronto. 
 
 As I have said, there was a long and bit if 
 controversy in the Province of Q,ueb£o wui: 
 some who strove to use the power of the 
 Church in the way to which I have refen^^'* 
 That long and bitter controversy was a cirj • 
 troversy in which my friends, the puberals cf 
 Lower Canada, w«re the oppressed party, th i 
 party which was being oppressed byit, whlcl. 
 was suffaring from it, in the coastituenoles , 
 and though they have received justice at lar. 
 in tne particular to which I have relerred. it is 
 useless to disguise the fact thit so long a con- 
 flict, waged in that manner, and with these 
 weapons, has a permanent weakening efleot 
 (hear, hear). But I want to know where; 
 in all that time, were he Or ange Tory leaders 
 ol Ontario ? 1 want to know whether they were 
 helping in the cause which Las thus been vludl. 
 cated in the end 7 I want to know whethei 
 they were expressing and actively manifesting 
 their sympathy with thoee who were struggling 
 for the rights which ha e at lei gth been ac- 
 corded ihem ? It Is not so ; It Is known not to 
 be so. [Applause]. It Is true that many of the 
 Protestants of Quebec came to the assistance of 
 the Lib«rals of Quebec in that ttniggh , but the 
 Orange Tory Leaders of Ontario were unfllKf - 
 
 ing in their support and in their ooaaort \».ia 
 th« very, members who were wsging that e&a' 
 
w 
 
 Broteny 'Sfi^SiSl^ the '({nefiee IdberaLB.!" 
 
 Why f kg^mse '^JSS "WSS^ nnltod in 
 political bond* with __ those members; 
 beoanse ihey rejeiced in their snooees at the 
 polls, altiumgh that snceess was purchased 
 irom thorn with whom they professed to be in 
 sympathy. [Cheers.1 They were kept in place 
 and power by means of that partnership, and 
 therefore they were untrue to the principles 
 which they professed, and which they are now 
 saying they wish to be incorporated, in order to 
 promote. 
 
 POLinos um bbusion. 
 
 I have declared my views on this subject, and I 
 have cothing to recall in regard to them. I 
 have Bhbwn where I am to be found in case 
 any confllc*; may arise in which any 
 church, whether Boman Catholic or Episco- 
 palian, or Preabyterian, or what you will, 
 ahai 1 strive to encroaob on what I believe to be 
 tbejust domain of the State. Loud applause). 
 I believe, if you commit to any church abso- 
 lute power and control over faith and morals, 
 and if , at the same time, you commit to ihat 
 church absolute power to determine what is 
 comprised within faith and morals, yon con- 
 cede necessarily to that church absolute power 
 altogether ; «nd I believe, tberefore. that it is 
 quite necessary to consider that there may be a 
 point at which we may be called on toc3n- 
 aider what the tenets of the church 
 in iliat particular point of view are. I have 
 shown that the struggle was worked out within 
 that church; that those rights on which the 
 Liberiils of Lower Canada insisted have been 
 vindicated and the electors have a right to vote 
 as free men. But should such a struggle recur, 
 which Qod forbid ; should I, Judging from th < 
 past, hope for any awi^tance. could the Libera^ 
 party Ic ok with hr pe for any assistance from the 
 Orange Xoryleaders ofOntario ? Nc ; because they 
 ^' have not received it in the past and whattver 
 their views, they subordinated them altogether 
 to sarty politics, which led them to r. Jolce In 
 the triumphs of those wbo were perpetuating 
 principles directly opposed to their own (hear, 
 hMX). There are some other reasons which lead 
 me to think that this society in Ontarii is not 
 a beneficial on& Its leaders claim a monopoly, 
 not merely of tzue Protestantism, but aleu of 
 loyalty (load laogbter;. The hon. member for 
 Sast Hastings (Mr, White), at Wlnnip^, • aid 
 
 •' One of his reasons was, that with three 
 others, he h»d opposed the OcstlgHu resalullon, 
 which was a direct insult to the '^oiner Coun- 
 try, and to every loyal citizen in the cmu^ry, 
 fSMpt parly leaders nn boih vldeH and mem- 
 IMM WTO were pandering to the Catholic vote, 
 aura not OQ^ meralMr of the Orange society said, 
 well done." tLs»aghter). 
 
 ^TaBBwnil aiBtCs9Wm *i^J****'P* w i^^wWt w 
 
 " Ton are no doubt aware that • most Ungn- 
 IttF eombinatifin was formed at ^e last Ses- 
 
 sion \o defeat thefiffiS^^e had the astonn^s^ 
 spectaele of ProtMtant Liberalism and pitra- 
 montanism in alliance to d(.!f^t it. idheraH 
 l»m, because of the loyalty of Orangem«D, and-- 
 Ultramontanfsm, because of the advanced 
 
 testantism of tne Orange order." 
 
 OBAMOI IiOTALTT. 
 
 ^icttl 
 
 Ji; 
 
 ■'^f'C^ 
 
 There you have iW Sir. laid down as a rule, 
 'hat because Orangemen axe loyal, and lojadty^ 
 is so oden^ive to others that ihey must be put 
 down by force. [Applause]. I maintain that 
 that Is an ofi'ensive statement, and that a secret 
 socletv which devotes Itself to the propagation 
 of such opinions as these, as to the loyalty of 
 others, is one which does not deserve favor or 
 State recognition. [Lrond cheers]. There is 
 another reason. They claim that their object 
 is to advance ProtesteELtlsm, and they claim to 
 advance it, by assertions with reference to the 
 Boman Catholic Church, which I believe 
 to be baseless. [Applause]. And here again 
 I do not propose to deal with dog' 
 matic assertions. I do not pr :>po8e to deal with 
 assertions with respect to rellgioa, as to whe- 
 ther certain views are right or wrong, for we 
 have nothing to do with them. But we have to 
 do with their views as to the tenets of that 
 Church, as theyafTect the political condition 
 and social order of the countiy. Those things 
 are material to us, and it is well that we 
 should know what is advanced in the name of 
 Protestantism, or with a view of promoting it, 
 by the leaders of the Orange Society la On- 
 tario. 
 
 0BAN61 mSBIPBlflHTATICS, 
 
 In the Sentinel of 31't September. 188", there 
 is th!t followicg, which is headed ** Allegiance 
 'o Rome only ": 
 
 " We have always contended the Bomish 
 Church teaches Us followers to be disloyal to 
 every Stats wherein it exists, xo recognize the 
 authority of no temporal Wovernment, and to 
 own allegiance only to the Papacy." 
 
 On April aeth, 1883. the same paper said : ? 
 
 " It Is hardly necessary to sav t* at ©very true 
 member of the Church must vleld to the Pope, 
 the Infallible head of the Church, unquestion- 
 ing obedience In liiorals, doamntio faith or be- 
 lief, and also conduct in civil afraiic." 
 
 " Nc member of the ohurch can dispute the 
 rightof theheadof it to decide Infallibly and 
 dogmatlciilly ail queHtiona atfeollng temporal 
 power In Oovernruents, anv more than he can 
 that of the lalth and oalief put forth In her 
 teaohlnga 
 
 " The people in Amerisa are governed by oon- 
 stttntlons which leuve tothempetves the power 
 of determining the character aiid stiuoture of 
 Government. 
 
 " Thena coustifutfons are, thereftwe. Inimical 
 totheChnrch of Rome, In her oolninn. and are 
 only tolernted because they cannoi be destoyed. 
 As she is at war with ©very form of govern-- 
 m#at Bot |»rf»ficril»d by herBell, H wf aid b« hmf 
 duty to destroy thes** onnstUutlonp.tf she oooMlk 
 uay, she would be guilty, nndi-r h^^r leaol:lin|iPs 
 if she bad the power, and did not destroy theaau 
 
52S 
 
 '^ n is uiJeeBsary to keep cbiiBtantly before Vbel soelal ordet ind safety-lrhioix ue d^ribveiiva 
 mindof theOrangejmd Protestant pabllo of j to everytldB«whlcli we, In Canadar-and 1 da 
 
 iB still true to her 
 
 the Dominion that Rome 
 ntotto, temper eadem. 
 
 ** She is the same to*day that she wm a hun- 
 dred >eara ago, planning, scbemlng, and con- 
 tinning to subva*! the best liberties and freest 
 lUBtitutlons of every State in Christendom." 
 These are the statements repe<»ted OTer and 
 over again a% ;o the politic il attitude of the 
 Ghnroh of Bome, and all true Protestants are 
 called upon to occupy an inimical position on 
 the ground,' first of all, that tbe adherents of 
 tbat church do not owe civil allegiance to the 
 Queen of "this Dominion and tbe Constitu- 
 tion of this country ; second, that 
 they owe it to a foreign power; and 
 third, that that power is inimical 
 to free institations. and that Its efTorts are di 
 rected to subvert tbem as far as possible. Tha 
 Is tbe attitude with respect to the Church of 
 Bome and its adberents in Canada to-day. So 
 late as the 19th February, 18S4, at a meeting of 
 the Grand Lodge of Ontario West, the Grand 
 Master—while this Parliament was in Session, 
 while this bill was on the order paper— referred 
 to the unfortanate affair in Newfoundland, and 
 Mdd: 
 
 " Brethren, It is the old story. It has been 
 told in Ireland a thousand times. It has been 
 told in Fort Garry .Montreal and Newfoundland, 
 and shows to us as plainly as the sun at noon- 
 day that when Bomantsm has the ascendency 
 Protestants have no rights and are only toler- 
 ated, and that the teachings of Kome are tbe 
 same to-day as they were la '98— that to break 
 faith with heretics is no sin, and that killing 
 la no nuudsr.") Laughter.) 
 I • m^'M9^i m ■ * J'#t-- ■■ ^-y i 
 
 I hen, Sir, in the same speech, he quotes 
 provingly from a weekly Journal thes ■> words 
 
 "It«.e, the Orange bod V in >elaud) is act- 
 ing strictly in self defence IT ♦'verybody who 
 has read Irish history, or v ao listens t j Fenian 
 harangues, must know that rrom the moment 
 when power passed into the bands of Irish Ca- 
 tbolies no man of British blood or Protestant 
 religion would ever dwell in safety on the soil 
 oflraland." 
 
 Commentiag on that statement he says : 
 
 " Thia statement, coming from a gentleman 
 yrhn on more than one occasion has spoken in 
 no fMendly terms concerning our order, shows 
 that the thinking Protestants of this country 
 arebeooming alive to the necessity of having a 
 Protestant secret snokty to counterso). the in- 
 flu«nce of the gigantic secret society of Ro> 
 ■nanism.'* 
 
 not put the Catholic below the Protestant— 
 whlo): we, as a united people in Canada hold 
 most dear. I say that ix you tell me that tha 
 adherputs of the Roman Catholic faith In civil 
 matters do not owe allegiance to the Crown 
 and the Constitution, but owe tbem to a 
 foreign power, then, I say, that they 
 are cot true subleots to the Queen, tbat 
 they are aliens in the middle of the 
 land'-'I say that you cannot trust them. I 
 agree with ibosa hon. gentlemen who some- 
 tlmm say certain thin{rs:n:itll, they give abso- 
 luti(m before the election— I i^ree with him 
 that if these are the tenets, I can well tmder- 
 stand their hostility, from a political p(Ant of 
 view, to the Roman Catholic religion. It they 
 believe that that Church is hostUe to, and de- 
 f ires the subversion of our free iustitutlons, at 
 our Constitution, I can understand their h08tll> 
 ity going far beyond dogmatic difference of re- 
 ligion ; i can understand that the whole Instl- 
 tu ion is one with reference to which no al- 
 liance Is to be kept. If it Is their qplnlon, and 
 if it be the case, that a Roman (^hollo be- 
 lieves that no faith need be kept 
 with a heretic, that the killing of a heretic is 
 no murdar, then social order and safety are 
 at risk and we cannot possibly remain at ease 
 If such doctrines as theie are true All thoee 
 who honestly believe these opinions to be true 
 of the Roman Catholic talth or of the adherents 
 of that faith, could not possibly, if they are 
 lovers oi our Constltutiou and our institutions, 
 honestly co-operato with it In politics. It la 
 Impossible, Sir. that an honest belief in these 
 ihlngSt as the active tenets of that 
 church, could oonsis^i with political etvopera- 
 tion with those who ro believe. [Loud oheerlcg.1 
 On the other hand, all jovers ot tree lastltu- 
 tions should combme against the evU whleh 
 &P-4 would be wrone;hti the pressing evil and dan- 
 ger to our institutions which woulJ exist, if 
 such indeed were the tenets held by such 4 
 large pro -ortion of the citizens of this oonntry. 
 the question, then. In a serious one* We have it 
 here ; we have hsd it within the last few 
 mou' hs ; we have tt stated as a doctrine of to» 
 day, and the hon. gentleman nods assent to it, 
 as the fbollng an Orangeman holds with re* 
 ference to bis Roman Catholic fellow oHlsen*. 
 Now, Sir. 1 believe it is untrue, (Tremendou 
 cheering.) 
 
 .1 
 
 ) 
 
 oiAara rALiiHooDi,. 
 
 Now those are ntntements with wkloh we have 
 to deal to-day. If thoHe views b» correct, if that 
 be a correci 8t-iteiL.ent of the Lenets of that 
 Ohnrob, then it drws not merely hold erroneoas 
 views in matters of doRma. Tbo hon. member 
 forHoohelaga (Mr. DoNjardlns) and m5iM*H. do 
 not agree In our religious vlewN, nnd unfortu- 
 nately we do not agree in politics, butour differ- 
 enoeln religion (ln<-s not make thftdifTeieDoe in 
 our polUlcal alle>;lance Our ditlerenoe* in 
 rellg'on are qoe««tion« between ne and 
 our ooDRclenc**, bswpen us and our God, 1o 
 be dU|:><>«fl<l of lndlvl(lu«lty by ««Hch of us. 
 £at Ui'a athtr }« nomfthlritfdlfiRrent. It gr*» 
 far beyond that. We have hern m statement of 
 ▼l»i«i hostile to the Throne, h(Nittle to fr<>e ib- 
 ■tltaUoDs, bortUt to oar OonsUtLUon, hostUe to 
 
 m BLiKi'B nwim m oramlrC 
 
 I bf Ileve that the Church of Rome holds nmy 
 rellKfousdr>ctrlnesaDddrgmRs oi the gravest 
 erroi ; I am extiemely opposed to them* 
 
 Mr. White, (Hastings)- Yon bdtove too mtwh; 
 that is th(b troubh : 
 
 Mr. Blake. Well, perhaps I believe too mncb, 
 I will not ««y ibut the hon. gentleman believes 
 all he says ; I hope he does. I have endeavored, 
 In my own poor way, and to the beet of my 
 hnrabi*' pblllty, to promote the upread of thoea 
 Froteatan* principles of dogmatic rellgion,thoeo 
 views of the Uospel ard of the Bible, In whleh 
 I agree. I am doing what 1 cau in that direo* 
 tion, and have been for yearf ; 1 Ms not mooh, 
 but I have done what I couJd. I believe tlMH 
 a most potent pnwer in thot dlreotioa 
 la a greater uuIoq among tb# Prot^ 
 tant den-inl nations, and I hava always 
 been d*'»-troaa of seeing such a union aooom* 
 pushed fortHel«etterwlyancement of theCiloe- 
 |ief, a>^oriTlng lo our views of it. i rfjotoe to 
 Nee tbe evtdanoe of a tendency toward tbat 
 union, in the existence or those organlasilona in 
 whleh ministers and pe *pie of varimn daaoali* 
 
M' 
 
 wnHwtp«ninaMjli.ci3i«f.(Uid in wHiOi point 
 tbey annMb I rejoio* to ■•• Brutg^lloftl AlU- 
 •noM, xoong Men's Christian Associations, 
 and Mialsterlal Asso^atloni, saoh as the one 
 that exMs in my own city. I have worked with 
 Orangemen in the Synod of Cburohmen 
 of my church and elsewhere; they have sym* 
 
 athlced with me and I have sympathized with 
 em ; I care not for onr dlfterences In potitios ; 
 they have never made the shake of our hands 
 less warm, or our co-operation in the work of 
 onr ehnroh less earucAt ; and it pains me that 
 hoti. gentlemen opposite should seek an occa- 
 sion ot this kino to raise a wall of division, 
 even among tnose engaged in church work, by 
 casting these calumnies against me, and by de- 
 olaring that my Protestant principles are aban- 
 doned, because I cannot, in my conscience, 
 support a bill for the incorporation of a society 
 which propagates opinions like these. [Cheers.J 
 I know that I shall be misrepresented and mis- 
 anderstood, and that men shail be misled, in my 
 jfrovln<» and elsewhere, as to wh':it I have said 
 o>night. I cannot help it; Xfdt it borne in 
 i.pon me, and I had to aay it. I say that men 
 will be misled by designing imliticians, who 
 sre using the cloak of religion and the cloak of 
 cliarity to promote partv politics. [Applause.] 
 «f we could forget our dlirerences and agree to 
 Jingle in all religious works, irrespective of 
 aur nttth, as Gad be thanked, allhongh we differ 
 in religion, we may agree in works of charity, 
 It would be a blessed achievement. 
 
 CALUTtMlAXlMB TWM OBUBOH. 
 
 Bat t<Hti^ what are yon 'icing? Ton 
 are promoting these calumnies in re- 
 ference to another church {hear, hear] ; 
 yon are coming forward and de~ 
 cinrlng that the tenets of this church, which 
 son do not hold, are detestable, and that every 
 true Protestant munt take the name position. 
 Itiia(K>nrBeof whichlhope jou will repent 
 before yon are many years older. Now, I am 
 Huxlous for a Protestant ascendency of one 
 kind— for tne spread of those things which I 
 believe to be true ; bot I am anxious that 
 there should be no Protestant nsoendeney of 
 tbe material kind to which the leaders of the 
 Orange Toy partv refer, when they speak of 
 Protestant ascendency, whlon existed in the 
 past in Ireland, and to which they look 
 forward with such longing eyes. I am not 
 anxious lor taat kind of Protestant ascend- 
 ency ; and in my desire to promote my dog- 
 matic .'ftdtb, I do not countenance such wea- 
 pons as the hon. geutiemaa and other Orange 
 leaders use [g^-est cheering]. My belief Is that 
 my Oathollo fellow sublMts do ttcknow edge al- 
 if glance to. and feel a loyalty to, tbe free insti- 
 tniions of this country [prolonged cheers]. My 
 belief is that they do not think that to break 
 faith with A beretlo Is no sin, and to kill him 
 vo murder {cheers and cheers]. I have not for- 
 gotten the declaration mAde against such 
 calumnies as this by the IrUh preUtes 
 HS long ago aa the %th January. 
 iKiS, which contains many statements of 
 futth and doctrine, as to wbtoh Protestants 
 and Roman Oatholics ar^ aa wide as the poles 
 asuxMler. But It contains two statements 
 which touched onr noclat and political system, 
 and oar relations to each oiber as citizess of 
 one common oouutry. as <^oUows : 
 
 or anflithBr fMBlm p£[s«% ^^i^ 1^^ {^ ,- 
 tentate, hath, or ought to have, any temporal 
 or civil Jorisalotlon, power, superiority or pr»« 
 eminence, directly or indirectly wlUiin the 
 realm ; and this without any mental reservi^ 
 tioa or dispensation." -" " 
 
 Tbe prelates go on to aay : 
 
 " Aiter this full, explicit and sworoTdeelini- 
 tion, we are utterly at loss to conceive on what 
 possible ground we could be 1 ostly charted with 
 oearing towards our most Gracious Sovereign 
 only a divided all^lanoe.'* 
 
 And with refercQoj 
 chaise they say this : 
 
 to the other iBialtIng 
 
 nn eomnoa aid 
 
 Dsomw 
 okobobv ~ 
 
 if 
 
 OAn'>I.IG 
 
 " The Catholics of Ireland not only do not be- 
 lieve, but they declare on oath, that they detest 
 as unchristian and impious the belief that H is 
 lawful to murder ur destroy any person or per- 
 sons whatever under the pretense ot their being 
 heretics; and ialso, the principle that no faith 
 is to be kept with heretics." [Oheef ]. 
 
 There you find distinct statements which con- 
 tradict all^attons which ought not to have 
 been made, and which there ought not therefore 
 to have Been necessity for coutradlcting ; and 
 yet, blr, we flac' not tea years ago, not five 
 years ago, not one year ago. but within the 
 past few days, tbe most offensive of these 
 allegations repeated, which I have shown 
 would be subversive or the free institutions 
 of our oonntn, if true. [Loud applause.] 
 JNow, I am not prepared to mark as murderers, 
 is treacherous and disloyal, nearly one-half of 
 my fellow citizens, f Hear, near.] I (!o not be- 
 lieve the cause j[ true religion, or of the ad- 
 vancement of the Qospel, the cause of the good 
 Government ot this Dominion, will be pro- 
 moted by the tstate recognition of this secret 
 society, organlKtd and led as it is, in Ontario, 
 devoted to tbe propagation of views suck as 
 those which I liave ( xposed. [Cheers.] I do not 
 attach myself, in the discordant dissolution 
 of parties that belong to this bill, any 
 particular signlfioanoe to the qoestion. I 
 uave viewed it from another aspect alto- 
 gether ; I have been anxious that we should 
 understand whai tbe real merits of the oontro- 
 vtsrsy are ; and in my[statement of what my ob- 
 jections are.I have endeavored to saitaln them, 
 not by stale and musty authorities, but by re- 
 cent and autbf Qtlc utterances. [Hear, hear.] 
 bat, perhaps, I am wrong ; I dare say I may 
 be mure bitterly misrepresented than ever be- 
 fore by the Orange Tory leaders; 
 and as to the Tory Roman Catholic 
 leaders, they too, the temporary 
 sirnggle between them and their Orange allies 
 being ended, will regard me still more distaste- 
 fully, beoaose I have necessarily exposed how 
 false and unnatural is theconJaocMon of the 
 twa It will be an ample reward to ine if I 
 have sncoeeded in explaining to moderate men 
 on botu sides the views I hold, and tu pointing 
 out what the t> ue t>ath of duty is In a commun- 
 ity of cUvene races and or«^^ds like ours, where 
 we nniBt oombinn flr,Tftne»»H in the assertion or 
 our owu rights with fullnens In the reo<^n!tlon 
 •f the rights of others; where we must eul- 
 tivatn TTiodeiatlon and forbearance, and avoid 
 misrepresentation calumny and abuse ; where 
 wt) must hold to au ample acknowledgment <tf 
 oaoh m«n'8 indlvldaal rtghtfl and conauleooe in 
 relifiOQs matters, and give citlseoship to all 
 in oTvil mi^tert, it we would make erf Canada a 
 grsat and Area oonatry, Inbabitad by • uippy 
 st^uDtted paopls. 
 
 ** P»a Irish Oatt»ltes swe a r , that tee Cat hoHee 
 OCImlMMl (to not ballsvs that ths Poja of Bran* 
 
 Mr. Blaks then resumed his SMit MBld 
 fsot stcnrm of apptaufi, whicb so&oiili 
 wide ttuongh Uks PMllamsat bnlWini, 
 
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