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THE

CANADIAN CATTLE AGITATION.

MR. GARDNER'S POLICY DENOUNCED.

PLAIN SPEAKING

FARMERS

PUBLIC MEETING IN TOWN HALL,

DUNDEE,
ON 1st AUGUST, 1893,

(REPRINTED FROM THE DUNDEE COURIER./

DUNDEE:
W. & D. C. Thomson, "Dundef Courier" and "Dundee Weekly News" Offices.

i"893.

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IHE CANADIAN CATTLE ACUTA I ION.

ENTHUSIASTIC MEETING IN DUNDEE.

MR. GARDNER DENOUNCED.

IMMEDIATE ACTION DEMANDi'D.

PROTESTS AGAINST PROTECTION.

A meeting of fnimors ami others interested was
held in the Town Hftll, Dundee, on Tuesday, for
the i)ur])ose of prote^^ting af;ainst the attituile of
the IJonrd of Agriculture refu.iiiig to witlidraw
tlie reHtrictions imposed on the im])ortation of
Canadian cattle. Due notice had been given of
the gathering, and interest continued to grow in
it since the recent visit of a deputatioM to
London. Never l)efore has a larger or mii-e en-
thusiastin meeting of fanners heen held in the city.
Lord Provost Mathewson presided, and among
those present were :— ]iailie I'erric, ]!ailie
M'Kinnon, Itailie Stuart, Treasurer Will-lioi',
Captain Clayhills Hendeiaoii, R. S., InverHOwrie ;
ex-Lord I'rovost Hunter, e.\-Lord Dean of
(juild M'(j!rady, ex-l*iovost ISallinKall, Ulr .rohn
Alexander, JSalllndarK ; iMr W. V. Jiell, l!ains of
Claverhuuse ; Mr Andrew Hutclie.son ; Mr \\'m.
Smith, Ualzeonlie ; ;\Ir Kohert Anderson, }!al-
brogio ; Mr David Rliichell, Kinnaird ; iMr I'.eid,
Kilmundie, (ilamis; i\Ir W. C. Duncan, IJalkemhack ;
Mr William Fcnton, Templeton ; Mr I'eter Fenton,
Dronlcy ; Mr Thomas Myles, Newtyle ; Mr T. S.
Thorns, Henvie ; Mr James Falconer, Lundie ; i\Ir
John Sturrock, Arhroatli ; Mr James lieiry, Dun-
dee ; Mr David Kitchie, liidsiiandie ; Mr David
Forsyth, Lundie ; Mr I'eter Nicoll, North Auchray ;
Mr Alexander IJell, Davidatiin ; Mr John Hunter,
AVester Davidston ; Mr Thomas Galloway, ('airnie,
Glencarse ; IMr W'jlliam Stnith, Lundii- Castle ; Mi
George Young, I'anlatliy ; Mr ^^tewnrt Tiunliull,
Camno ; Mr James IJell, Gilchorn ; Mr John
Lowdon, Newton, Aucliterhouse ; Mr F. M.
Uatchelor, Craigie ; Mr John tJranl, Craig Mills ;
Mr J. G. Soutar, AVesthall ; Mr John Scott, ULiins
of Keithick, Coupar Angus; Mr \\ ni. Anderson,
St Andrews ; Mr I'eter MTntyre, Denlind ; Mr
James Mitchell, cake merchant ; Mr Wm,
Dott ; Mr Jas. Slidders ; Mr W. U. I'aton,
Monorgan, Longfoigan ; Mr R. Lumsden,
Craigie; Mr Henry I'rain, Castle Huntly ;
Mr Alex. Johnstone, Castle JIains ; i\lr Davicl
Nicoll, Strathmartine Castle ; Mr A. ]!. ^\■ataon,
Kirkton of Lundie; Mr Alex. Kay, \\S., I.oehee;
Mr A. H. lirown, grain merchant, Dundee; Mr
M(dlison, North Mains of I'aldovan ; Mr .1. Adam,
Uraidieston ; Mr J. M. Duncan, Dutnlee ; Mi
Guthrie Uatchelor, Craigie; Mr A. M. I'rain,
Rawes; Mr W. Hunter, V.S., Dundee; Mr W.
Bell, Ualnuith ; Mr Alex, liatchelor, Milton of
Finavon ; Colonel F. Stewart Sandeman ; Captain
Cappon ; Mr W. M'Kenzie, IJroughty Ferry; Mr i
Thomas Robertson, Hatton Farm ; ex-Bailie Speed,
Dundee ; Mr H. D. M'Combie, Milton of Kemnay,
Aberdeen ; Mr Wm. Tiiomson, jun. ; Mr 1>, C.
Thomson ; Mr H. Bain, Dundee ; Mr David
Bruce, Dundee ; Mr James Graham, Mains of |
Baldovan, Dundee ; Mr John Hanniug, manager of i

the -Vnnandale Dairy Company ; Mr Alex. Bell,

Cransley ; JMr Alex. Anderson, lierryhill ; Mr

j .\ndrew Whitton of Couston ; Mr J. T. Inglia,

I Dundee ; Mr T. M. Nicoll, Littleton ; Rlr George

I ('owe, Balhouaie ; Mr L. Thomson, Charleston;

Mr James Ritchie, liallindean ; Mr Jos. Reid,

ICilniundie ; Mr James Kydd, Scryne ; Colonel

Dickson, I'aidiridc ; Mr Rcliert strachan. West

I'ilniore ; IMr Andrew Bruce, Jonlanstone ; Mr

I'atrick Hunier, Wateryhutts ; Mr James Falconer,

Clushmill ; Mr Joseph J. Barrie, Dundee; Rlr

Andrew Dudgeon, JJnndee ; Mr R. Anderson,

Miildlehank ; Mr Wm. Millar Keillor, Newtyle;

Mr Fenlon, Hill ; Mr Fraser, lialmachio,

, Arbroath; Jas. Watson, Dundee ; Dr Thornton,

iiC.

I.OCAI. MKSiniCllS ANM) TlIK (iCESTION.

The Loiil) I'liovosr at the outset intimated an
apology for absence from Mr Wacldell, dairyman,
whom they had expected to take part in the pro-
ceedings. He then read a letter he had received
Ironi Sir .lulin Leng, in which that gentleman said
he was in entire sympathy with the resolutions to
be propose ', and was to take the earliest possible
opportunity of bringing the case they jtresented
against the Slaughtering Order before tno House
ol Commons. He should endeavour to make or
take the opportunity on Thursday. It coidd be
done in two ways, either by moving the adjourn-
ment of the House on a question of urgency, or by
dealing with Item 10, Clause II., on the Vote on
Account for Board ot Agriculture. He hail appriseil
all the members who had hitherto acted together
on the subject of his intentions, and he counted on
their support irresjiective of party.

Next the Lord I'rovost read the following exti act
from a letter Sir John Rigby had sent to a friend
in I" rfarshire :— ■

1 Jiiu surry tli.it nntliing can ii« yut be ilono in tlio matter
of (jMnailiaii o.ittle. 1 liavo tlirougliout pressed on the
Minister nf Agrkultuiu the iniportiinue of tliu nuestion,
and urged tlie viuws of tliu KorfaisliirH farmers, but have
not been able to induce liiiii to tiike tlie same view of tin-
f;ict« ns prevails in Korfiirsliiie.

CANADA INJUUKO AH WELL AS SCOTLAND.

Captain Clayhili.s Hkndkuson moved —

Tliat this meeting prntests against the continuance
of tlie lentrictiiina mi tlie importation uf cattle from
(Jaiiaiiii, being uf opinion— Ist, that neither was tlieir
imimsition noc is their cuntinu.ince waiianted by the cir-
cumstiinces of the eases im which they Here founded, as it
has not been jaoveil that contagious pleuin-pneimionia
has ever existed in Canada, or been found in this country
118 having been eoinniunicuted by Canadian animals; L'd,
that, therefore, a great injustice has l)ee!i done to Canada
and the agriculturists and general community of this
country by the injurious and uncalled for interference
with an imjiortant and growing industry vitally atfecting
the moat supply of the country.

He said he should like first of all to direct their
attention to the fact that in this resolution there
was not one contentious word. They did not wish,
and he was perfectly certain nobody in tho room

yo /2 J

The Canadian Cattle Aijitalion.

wiMhcil, the imiiortation uf Canmlian cattle, if it
could bi! proved that coiitaHiou.s iilburo-pncuinoniii
existed in L'linadif, or had been iiitiodiiced by cattle
coining from tba country after being landed liete.
That waH borne. iiit by Mr (Miaplin. Mr (Jbajdin
said, " If the facts were a.t stated, and as he himself
iinderMtood t u'm — namely, that tliu disease had
been iiscertained Co be contagious pleuru-iineumonia
that bad been found amongst the Oanailiau catth-,
and that it bail nut been contracteil uinoe tlieir
arrival in this eountrv, then it was of immense im-
portance that the Hianghter of all animals from
Canada should be pre.-sed on the lioaril of Agricul-
ture with all the force and weiglit the t'ounoil
coald comnianil." He (Captain Henderson) was
certain everybody in the room would agree witli
that, and would consider it was necessary that all
Canadian cattle should be .slaughtered on their
arrival to er .arc the health of their own herds
if pleuro had beeti found. After the pro-
hibition was put on in November last
year a large number of cattle were landed from
CaTiada in the country, and, as far ns he was aware,
there was not one single case of pleuro pneumonia
amongst these animals. Since the cattle trade
had been resumed this spring about 4O,00U
animals had been landed at the various poits
of (ireat ISritain, and as had been clearly brought out
by the deputation when they waited upon MrCiirilner
recently — he forgot the gentleman wlio made the
statement — he thought it was Mr Anilrew Ilutohe-
son — out of the 40,000 animals landed only one ca e
of suspected pleuro had been discovered. When this
was stated, Ulr (Jardncr curtly interjected that there
were two more, or that there were three, or some-
thing like that. When Mr Hutcheson again le-
ferred to the fact that there had oidy been one
case, Mr Gardner again jerked out that he hal
before informed the deputation that there were
three cases. He (Captain Henderson) had care-
fully read Mr (lardner's leply, and in it he never
explained, and never said anything about the two
other ca.ses referred to. He (Captain Henderson)
had carefully read everi'thing that had been s.iid
since, and he knew of nothing that could
justify the short, jerky sentence, "There are two
more." He thought Mr Gardner shouhl have been
more courteous to tliem. He had made promises
to them on every occasion. He himself was a
member of the first deputation, and he heard his
promises made with crocodile tears that he
was obliged to impose the restrictions on all
Canadian cattle. AVhat had these crocodile
tears brought ? Promises ! Promises ! I'romises I
Nothing. AVhat explanation had been given '!
None. Not one iota of satisfaction hac' been
given to any one of the gentlemen who attended
on any one of these deputations, nor to the vast
mass of Scottish cattle-feeders who were inteiested
in the subject. All that they got was promises day
after day. Dr Farquharson, Jlr ISnchanan, Sir .John
Leng, and others had questioned Air Gardner in the
House. Although

TEN MONTHa HAD NOW I'A.SSED

not one syllable of explanation had been given.
Thoy had had contradictions, bat they had had no
explanations. He thought the words of Sir Charles
Tupper, if carefully read by those who were in-
terested in the matter, were a convincing proof
that there was no pleuro in Canada. Krom the
history they had had of the cases which happened
in November last, he felt sure that no
pleuro- pneumonia was introduced by Cana-
dian cattle. (Hear, hear.) There were
many others in this district, in the immediate
district, where the first act of this curious drama
took place, who, for many reasons, did not believe
that pleuro was then introduced into the country.
First of all, their iSouttish veterinarians, whom

they declined to think were second to any
veterinarians In any part of the country, and whom
they declined to think were inferior to the advisi^rs
of the Hoard of Agriculture, had over and over
again reiterated that this was not contagious
pie iro. Therefore, as Scotchmen, it was their
boundtui duty to remonstrate with the Minister of
Agriculture till they got these restrictions removed.
Notonlydicl they place their trust in the talented men
who had spoken on the subject -I'rofessor Williams
anil several others — but they hail the evidence of a
very great scii^ntist who declared this was not con-
tagious iileuro. Then^ was one thing in connection
with the ca.se to which they strongly objected. The
Minister of Agriculture would not allow them tu
have a look at the lungs, or to inspect the cattle,
or do anythinir Not oidy so, but thu Minister of
Agriculture was questioned in the House of
Commons the other day — ho thought by Sir John
Leng — as to the fact of Sir t/'harlcs Tujipei having
offered to pay the expense of any vet irinary
surgeons who might go to Camilla to examine ijito
the (juestion of pleuro there. MrGardner's reply was
that he had not been ollicially informed. Yet they
had Sir Charles Topper's own words that he had
actually made this otfer to the Minister of Agri-
culture. If he did not individually make it tuhim,
it was made at a public meeting in the West-
minster I'li'-je Hotel previous to the deputation
waiting on Mr Gardner. Then there was another
question which boie on this matter. Mr Gardner
made the statt.nent in one of his speeches that Ire-
land was a part of the United Kingdom as far as the
administration of the Contagious Diseases Cattle
Act went. Thereupon ho (Captain Henderson)
wrote to Sir .lohn Leng asking the que.-ition if Ire-
land was under tlic administration of the Con-
tagious Diseases Cattle Act. Sir John Leng wrote
saying no, and he (Captain Henderson) said no.
(Applause.) So far as the adraiiustration of the
Cattle Diseases Act was concerned, Ireland was a
foreign country— as much a foreign country as
('aiiada. (Hear, hear.) The Contagious Diseases
Animals Act in Ireland was in the liands of the
Lord-Lieutenant and the Privy (,'ouiicil, and Mr
Ciardner could not lift his finger in regard to its
operations across the (Jhannel. He might

MCHKDL'LE IKKLANI),

and prevent cattle from being landed in this
country from Ireland in the same way as was being
done just now with Canadian cattle, but that was
all he could do. Another question had cropped up
in the course of a conversation he bad the other
day. lie had been informed that they were to have
cheap cattle from ICngland. ."^ome breeders in
England considered that they had more cattle than
tliey wanted. Yes, but why was it ? IJccause tlicy
hail not a blade of grass — not one blade of grass
had they got in Kngland — to feed them, and they
were only too g!ad, therefore, to get rid of their
cattle ; they were only too glad to drive them north
here. (Applause.) AVhen they had blades of grass
and plenty of roots they kept them for their own
benefit. In all the circumstances, he had much
pleasure in moving the resolution which stood in
his name. (Loud applause.)

IMr R. Andkkn m, IJalhrogic, seconded. He
could not understand, he said, how Mr (Tardner
was not convinceil before this of the failure of
saying pleuro-pneumonia existed among Canadian
cattle. (.Applause.) Ue had had Canadian cattle
every year since they were imported into (Masgow,
and he had not yet had a Canadian bullock but
wont away on his own feet, and that was a thing
which could not be said of Knglish, Irish, or even
Scottish cattle. They were the hardiest cattle they
had ever got to feed, and it was hard to them in
Forfarshire and in Perthshire that they could not
get free trade in cattle. As well x^ut a tax on

The Oanmlian Cuttle Agitation.

wlip»t M on cattle— (ftpplBUMi;)— for tlifv Imd
inoru noeil ul' n tax on wlirat tlinii '>ii cattli'.
("Hear, liuar," anil appUuHe.) tie had niuoli
picaituru in hcocimiIimk iIuh ri'Holution. (ApplauHu. )

Tlic motion waa ]iut to tlio inurtini;. ami tliviu
being 11(1 oppiiHition, it waH '.num'inooHly oarrii'tl.

Mr John Alkxandkii, liallimlaiK, moved —

Tliiit tliix iiit'eUnx in nt iiplnlon — Ut, tliiit tliv ulffut
(if tlieM lUHtiiutldhn if niiilntainol wll! lie tn in-
ci(!iiHe iiiHti'iul (if (iiiiiininli (liti link I'l tic illHHoiiiinii'
tion uf (llHOiiNe t'lroUKli tliti tsxcltiHiitn nf (JjiiiiMliitii cuttln,
wliioli HiB tlie liiulMiieHl tliiit can bn liii|i(ii'tu(l; iinil, Jil,
that tli<< iut«ruHl4 (if C'Hnalii iind of tliii cdiintiy il(Miia'i(j
tliat tlicau iV'trlotldiiH nlidiild bit at (Mivh rMUmved, and
free entry and dlHtrllmtion alivu tlirnuglidiit the country
again alluwe I tu uattlu fmni (jana(bi.

The rt'Holution, he tliouglit, wam ho phtin tliat it
required not two wonln from liim. He had to hav,
however, tliat he cordiilly agreed with almost
every word that fell from hix i<allant neighbour
Captain Clay hllla Henderaon. (Hear, hear.) In
m way could Mr Gardner or bin lioard of Agricul-
ture justify the action they bad taken. He aaid
that not only in regard to the lecent action of kill-
ing nearly 40,0<X), but also in reference to putting on
the rostrictloni) originally. To hia mind there waa

NO CASK OK rl.Kl'ltO-l'NKUMONIA

proved aa atfecting any one of tlie Canadian cattle
introduced by the two .ibipa which ariived at
Dundee laot Ni-ason. TlieHe ca.sex were disputed by
the beat veteiinary tkill tliey hail in .Scotland, and
declared not to be contagidUM plcum. (AppbuiHe.)
In face of that, ami in face that the trade would be
8top]ied for tlic aeaaon, Mr (iarilner, tlirdiigli a
very extreme act of folly, Bclicduled (.'anaila wiien
there waa not the alightu.st material cause lor fear,
13ut it was not the fact only of auhe<lidlug Canada.
Where, he aaked any Keiitlemeii^favdurablo or un-
favourable tu these rustriotioiiH — could they find
cattle as healthy na Canadian cattle? Let tliein go
through the whole universe and he would defy tliem
to find any place so free from disease of any kind in
cattle as in Canada. Ireland of late years — the
only place before the introduction of Canadians to
which they could resort — bad rather decreased in
its supply of store cattle, and at the same time
Ireland was a country, not, he believed, the worst
under the sun, but certainly one of the worst—
(hear, hear) — in regard to disease. He thought it
sheer folly on the part of any Government or any
Department of a Government to schedule a coun-
try so clean as Canada, and to allow cattle — he
supposed they could not prevent it — to come in
from Ireland. If they were restricted to Ireland
for their (mttle they were certain to have disease,
and disease of an infectious kind called pleuro.
Only the other day they had in Dundee a case of
undoubted pleuro. Did that case come from
Canada? No. If the Harbour of Dundee had
been open at this time for Canadian cattle it was
very possible that this case of contagious pleuro in
the city would never have happened, as it
was more than likely that the dairyman
would have gone to the depot and purchased a
Canadian cow. But he was obliged to go to the
Dundee Cattle Maiket and buy a cow imported, as
he understood, from Dublin. He thought that fact
proved up to the hilt the statement in the resolu-
tion that instead of tending to dimiiush the risk of
disease in this country the policy of the lioard of
Agriculture actually bad a tendency the other
way. With respect to the second part of the re-
solution, if they were to be precluded from getting
cattle from the best known regions he did not
know bow agriculture was to go on in this country.
For any Government — for a Government called a
Liberal Government, at any rate — to practically
adopt what he would call veiled I'rotection was an
action they ought to have no sympathy with, and
he WM very glad to be present to move that resolu-

tion, because he thought it was high timn that
every one, bo he Liberal or Tory, sliould let the
(jovornment know that they were not for I'rotection
in any Hhai)e or form. ("Hear, hoar, and ap-
plaus(>.) If they were to have

KKKK TIIADK ALL ItOUNIl,

and only restriction of the agricultural interests
and the cattle trade, better far open the whole ports
to all the world than have anything to do with
Htich a thing. They did not wish to impoit dlaeaso,
but they must have cattle in some way, and surely
let them have cattle from the country freest in the
world from disease, namely, Canada. (I^ioud ap-
plause.)

Mr I'eter Fent(ni, Droidey, formally seconded
the resolution, which was carried by acclamation.

I\Ir W.M. SMITH, liab.eordie, moved the third
resolution aa followj ; —

That this meeting' is iif opinion- 'st, that the linpiiai-
tion and uoiitiniiniice (if the restriutidns were due
entirely tu tlie iiiiiitaken and dispute I di.igiiiMi s and cdiii'/te
of prouedme >if the veterinary adviser, (if the Kiiard (if
Agi icultiiie, whdse invustigatiuns iire uimdiicted in seurel,
and me nut nubject td review; and 2d, that in the
Hiiard of Agricnltnie is pi'ai:tiually it« Pieaidunt for the
time tieing, and a-s liy the Coiitaf/idiiH DiHeaseii (Animals)
Act it is pMivided ihat tin- lioard sliall allow the iiii|Hirt<'-
tion (if cat.le from any ediiiitiy if it is wtintled that that
uiin bo dune s i lui In altdrd leas liable h einity aifainnt the
ini|idilati(iii Iheivfiiiiii iiT diseased auiiii ils, while it d(i()s
not iiu'scribe any particular means by which the Hoard is
td bi! satistled, the decisidtiH in regard td Nuspt-oted cases o(
infectioMH or cunt 'gioiis disease should nut, as hitlierto,
le-t «dlely with tlio lidard's (iresent veterinary aiiviners
witlioiit the right of appeal, but thai tlie I'le-ident slrmld
avail hiniself uf the liest skill and advice tu he had eivlicr
in this Ul' other cuiintrier'.

In submitting the lesolution Mr Smith remarked
that tbcre was an old saying that "Codlins the
friend not Bhort." He stood there to tell them
tliat Gardner was the enemy, not Chaplin.
("Hiai, hear," and applause.) Captain Clay ^lills
Henderson had pointed out that Mr (iardner's
excuse "as always " I cannot help you, sir. I have
an Act of Parliament to administer. If you want
anything else you must come not to me, but go to
the House of Commons." His (Mr Smith's) pocket
was very well filled with letters from members of
Parliament all to the same tune. Mr Gardner was
very anxious and very sorry, but ho could not help
himself. (Laughter.) This was a law-abiding
country ; Mr Gardner was a public servant
— he supposed he had got a salary of
several thousands a year — (laughter) — and
be must obey the law. (Renewed laughter.)
Now t'lis had been Mr Gardner's way from the be-
ginning. He (Mr Smith) disputed it, and he would
prove to them that Mr Garilner was talkinu' non-
sense, and that the member for the county, from
whom they had a letter, and other members of
Parliament who had been writing letters, were also
talking nonsense. (Great laughter and apjilause.)
Mr Gardner said to the last deputation that he was
not only bound to administer this Act as he did
administer it, but that if any of these Scottish
farmers were in his place then that Scottish fanner
would be obliged when the responsibilities of office
fell upon liiin to administer the Act as he himself
did. He (Mr Smith) sliouhl lik"! to think of Mr
Alexander or Mr Hutohcson doing as Mr Gardner
did. (Laugliter.) These gentlemen had not had
the chance, but Mr Gardner whs not always Pre-
sident of the Board of Agriculture. Not long ago
that place was filled by another man named
Chaplin. How did it happen that, while Mr Gaid-
ner was stopping and annihilating this trade fur
the time being because his veterinary surgeons
had reported there wi. re three suspicious cases of
pleuro, Mr Chaplin, under the same Act in 18'JO,
though there were reported to him four oases, did
not close the trade ? (Loud applause.) He sub-
mitted that he had proved that Gardner was th«

The Uamulian Cattle Agitation.

eiiomy, not Ch»i)lln. (KoncwedapplaiiKf.) The
fnct wai that Mr (Janliior had iluiio- ho ih<l not
know whether hu hail ht'oii forcu<l to do it liy
polilioal rraaotiH— (hi'nr, hcAr)-'ur whethiM' he waH
Himply leaving too much to IiIh nllioinlN-lxit, liow-
uver it ini)(lit have ooino, Mr Ounlnor hail done
what Mr L'hapliri would have vurv much liked to
do, but dare not. (ApplauMp.) The roHolution
liofore them referred to the I'reitidvnt of th<i Hoard
of Agrioulturo taking advice outMidit hin own
veterinary HUrgconK. The laHt time he (Mr Smith)
wan ill that hall he ventured to give Mt Ciirdner
Home advice, and he would now point out that if
that advice had been taken they iiliould not now have
been iliHCUHHing whether the pleuro found in tliuxe
animaU was

t'ONTAQIOUH on TIIR IlKVRnHK.

Ho suggested that inHtead of killing the cattle Mr
Gardner Khould adopt (piarantine. The thing ooiilil
bo done with perfect iiafety, and, iiiHtend of killing
the cattle, if Mr Gardner had plnced the inoHt of
them ill iHolation it could have lieon Hettled ere
now whether there was oontagiouH pleuro in theKe
CanHiliiin cattle or not. What whk Mr Ganlner'N
annwer to thiH argument ? He said, " My veteriiiary
Murgeonn have iiuch experience--(laughtei) — their
judgment m beyond the judgment of all other
veterinary HurgeoiiH." He (Mr .Smith) juHt aakeil
them to exhmine the Htatemeiit about experience.
Ah he understood it, experience meant that if a,
man went to miirket and did a certain Mtiolte of
buHinesB, and found it did nut pay, lie would
hy-nnd-by give it up. What experience liad tiieHe
vutorinary nurgcons of Mr Gardner'H? A lung was
Ment up to them, and, of oourxe, liefnre they could
have the lung the bcaxt muHt lie killed. They
looked at the lung, and they said, ''Oli, it in cuii-
tagiouH pleuro,'' and they ordereil all the cuttle in
contact with the beast to he killed. They migiit be
right or they might be wrong — he was not cayinx
they were wrong, and he wax certainly not to Hay
they were right^(lauglitor)— but he wa.s ximply
to submit that they were not infallible.
(Loud applause.) They might err, and, HU|ipo4ing
they did err, how was their error to bo discovered ?
(Hear, hear ) Dead cattle, like dead men, told no
tales, and so far as he could see they would go on
throughout their natural lives killing cattle like
Samson of old, killing them by the thouMands, and
thoy would never discover wliether this test of
theirs was a true test or not. (Applause.) He
stood there to plead in much the same words as ho
had always pleaded on that ({uestion. Some people
swore by one set of veterinary surgeons, and others
by another set, but he belicvud in the injunction of
Holy Writ, "Swear not at all." (Laughter.) He
was not prei)arcd to place the trade of this country
at the mere}' of three veterinary surgPoiiH, and
what he maintained was that their test ."hould be
tested. Mr Gardner got the report that there was
one case of pleuro, or there were tliree cases — it
was not very clear which, as there was a certain
mystery about the matter— (laughter) — and he
seemed to rest his case on one animal that came by
the steamer I^ake Winnipeg. He had alread}'
told theiA what Mr Chaplin did. Rlr Chaplin
did not order the trade to be stopped ;
he did not sluuglitcr a great many cattle, but what
happened ? The cattle which were associated with
those four cattle that were said to be diseased
were spread all over Scotland and part of England.
After those four cases were reported to Mr Chaplin
there were in Mr Chaplin's time some quarter of a
million cattle landed from Canada. They went all
over the country, and yet no man could say there was
any pleuro brought to Scotland or England by this
quarter of a million cattle. They could not even
say there was the slightest suspicion that any beast
in Scotland or England wai ever injured in the

romotrit degree by thoiio cattle. .SuppoNo Mr
(iardncr ha** been I'renident he would have stoppoil
the cattle t.,tiln there and then. I have tn say to
you, then, ooiitinued Mr .Smith, that Uardiier is
our enemy in this business. I am sorry to make
such a strong statement against suoh a courteous
gentleman. He is a very approaohable man —
(laughter)— and I think that is an excellent
qunlity in a public man in Great liritain. His
ear seems to be as open to the cry of the
hiimldu tenant farmer from Scotland as it is to any
of his own class in Ijondim, but courtesy is not
everything in huniness. (Hear, hear.) I hold
that Mr (iardner has vrrcd in this business, and
eireil exceedingly, and so long as he stands to his
error wo must flglit him. (Loud appl.iuse.) And
what is more, gentlemen, we will lieat him. (lie-
newed aiiplau.se.) Proceeding, Mr Smith said Mr
( iardner s [I'llicy would .'oon lanil him in trouble.
He wouM be in trouble with the Canadian Govern-
ment, and, what was more, ho would get into
trouble with the ('anadian people. In Canaila
there was a certain pnr,.y rising — growing, ho
uiidurHtoiid -which was in favour of dissolving the
link that jniiied the colony to the mother country.
Hi! was told that if one went into a farmer's house
ill (.'aiiada he would tiiul the father and the mother
loyal to Great Britain, hut the son and the
daughter were nut so sure. That was

A BAD SIGN,

and he maintained that Mr Gardner liy his policy
was jilaying into the hands of that party in
Canada which wanted to dissolve the connection
between ('aiiada and Groat liritain. (Appl.iuse.)
It was said that history was apt to repeat itself.
They read that about a hundred years ago, through
the ohstiii.'icy of an old King, tnu peo]ilc of tliesu
islands loit a great inhoritance in the United
States, and apparently our successors were to read
inaiiother page of liistory that a hundied years later,
towards the end of the nineteenth century, in tliesu
days of popular government, not throu);h the
obstinacy of an old King, but through the obstinacy
of iin old veterinary surgeon — (great laughter) —
the same calamity happened again. He could not
believe that folly would be allowed to spread so
far. A great Parliamentary leader onco said this
country was not governed by justice or by common-
sense, "but by tlio Houso of Commons. (Laughter.)
Now, that saying was true to this hour.
The question had been asked in connection
with the cattle trade — " AVhy not schedule
Ireland ?" Tliere was this difference be-
tween ^leland and Canada, supposing there was
no technical difticulty, as he believed, there was.
Ireland had 103 members in the House of Commons,
and Canaila had not any. If Canada had had 103
members in the House of Commons, ho did not
believe the cattle trade would have been stopped.
But Mr Gardner would get into trouble on this side
of the Atlantic as well as the other side. The class
which suiiported him was not predominant in the
House of Commons. One hundred and three
members were a strong support ; they were de-
scribed iis anti-this or anti-that — (laughter)— but in
the matter of the cattle trade they were all anti-
Canadians. (Renewed laughter.) The groat
majority of tlie members of I'arliament who actively
supported Mr Gardner wore strong for Protection
in other matters besides the cattle trade, but there
was in the House of Commons a representation of
the great commercial spirit of the age, and that re-
presentation was too .strong for the Protectionists
pure and simple. Until now, however, that
representation had not boon sufficiently educated
to understand this question, and he suspected
that was what they had got to do. They had to
fight Mr Gardner — he would not be persuaded —
and the way they could force him was to appeal

Tlu Cuiyidian OntUc Aiiitatien.

from till! rcprrMt'iiUtivi'ii of tlin KiitfliHli fiki'iiirr<< to
tlia ropri-Hi'titativi'M of tlio KiiKlixli tuwiix. 'I'lioy
ooiilil i'n<ily hIiow tlii'iii their liitcruittx wvi'u the
HKinn AH tlioHP of thu farmiaH of Hoothiixl ; ami hi*
Iwlicvnil, if thoy Aiipciileil tu thuHi* iiivii with thu
foioo uf uiitorpriHO iiHimlly aHHooiatuil witi' tho iiniiif
of Soothiiicl, their appeal wmilil not Ih' in vain.
(Loud applnuHo.)

Mr Andiikw WiirrroN of ('"iintoii Hocoiiduil. lie
hail much pIraNiirr, he Kiii<l, in Hcconiliii); the
roRohitioii HO eloi|in'ntly inixh^ hy I\lr Smith ; ami
in iloinx HO he felt it wotiM he lueHumplion for him
to aihl a Hiniflu wont to what he hail mu well naid.
(ApplaiiHu.)

TIiIm revolution waH aUo unnnimouNly carried.

THK WAY Tf) I'llAtrriOAL AC'llON.

Mr W, K. liKlL, llarnM uf ClavcrhuUHu, pro-
poHcd ; —

'I'lmt thin mni'tiiiK, lu-InK of (jjiiiiion tliiit tliu uii'iiibnin
iif I'lirliniiiimt iiiu iml HiittluUinMy aciiniilntiil with
thii uiriMiiiii'tiiniMiPi wIjIi'Ii led to the retiii tioii" IjeliiK
iiiipiMed itiiil ciintiinunl, jt|i|ii'MVVH nt wliiit Iiiih ImiII (Imiii
In fill wind iiiK tu I'licli uf tliiKi' iiieiiilM'iK riipiei "f llie
ntJltenient by >tir ('lilirle^ Tllpliel. Ili)(ll (:iilllllli'<i<iollel fill
Ciiniiilii, imute to nienibern of ''iiliainent lUiil piirtiim
intorunti'd in thu tniiln priilliiiiiiiii,,' tu tliu iiiterviuw »illi
tile I'ruKlilent of the lloiiril of AKi'loiiltiiiu on tin' i:illi
July liiitt, iind ninolven that lopien of thin ami thu foii"
gciinx irHoliitioiin lie al'o foiHardi'il to tliese Kentluniuii,
nnil that tliuy )i« re<|iiuiit«»l to uxuit their iiilliiuiuu to have
thu rentriitionii iiiinieilialely reiiiovuil, anil to Hiippoil tlie
forthuoiiiinK motion in fjoiiiiiiittei, ■" '^-ipplv of «hii;h
nutiiie hun been K'^en liy sir John l.uiik', Mr TarkiT
Hniith, ami Mr Win. Whituhin.

He did not intend, he Haid, to dctnin tliein many
minutes after the eloquent Hpeeches they had heard
that day. The roHoIiition lie Hiilimitti'd huh the
only one pointing to the way in which they were to
get redresH on thiH queHtion. Mr (iardner was
not their (iovernment, and, if they went hnck a
long way, they ruled him, and hi' felt the only
course now left open was for them to approach
mcmherM of Parliament and ted them they
really were in earnest. (Api)lauHe.) He was cnn-
vinocd in hin own mind th(\t their mcmherH of I'ar-
liament ni.ly required a littl tcking up, because,
with very few exceptions, I. were pledged to the
policy of Free Trade, and tli^y could not fail to
see tliot this was neither more nor less than I'rotec-
tlon. There was an umhrella spread over it to
quieten it down, but there were as many holes
in the umhrella as allowed them to see
through it. (Applause.) The pretences [lut forth
for the stopping of thio trade would not hold
water, and ho failed to see how any
Government could, on a mere pretext,
stop such an important trade, considering the
largo number of cattle imported, and the trifl-
ing signs of disease displayed by them. (Applause.)
But there was no use beating about the bush — the
Irishmen were mastersof the situation. (Applause.)
They might keep it in the backgroir I. but it would
come to the front, and it would 1j en when the
question came to be voted on in tli' use of Com-
mons on Thursday. He was glad iiieir friend Mr
Alexander was there to-day. He had a certain
influence with the Member for Forfarshire —
(laughter) — and he advised him to tell Mr Rigby that
he would have nothing more to do with him unless
he came forward and supported the views expressed
at that meeting. (Applause.) In the latter part
of the resolution there was mention made of Sir
.Tohu Long and Mr Parker Smith and Mr W.
Whitelaw bringing forward the matter ; and to Sir
John Leng in particular the thanks of the com-
munity was due for the manner in which he had
kept the question alive in Parliament. (Applause.)

Mr Wji. Millar, Kiellor, Newtylc, seconded.
He hoped their meetiug that day would have the

effect of making thuir I'arliameiitary roptoitonta-
tives take

MDItK I.NTKHKHT IN THK MAITKIl
than some of them had apparently been doing. H
they did no, not oliiy the junlioi' but the neoeiMitiei)
of their demands oeing coinidied with would he
recognined. (Applause,) He Imped in his fiiithur
endeavoiir'< Sir .Fiihii Long would receive nuch sup-
port as Would Induee the lloiird of Agriculture to
relax the reHtrietioiiH, which were alike prejiidieial
lo ;he farinint{ in'eiestH as well as to thu interuHts
of the (general public. (I.ouil appluuse.)

(!olonel DlcKSdN, I'aiibride, then said— My Lord
Provost, I should like to auk a question. It is
currently reported, and it is believed, that thu
member who advised Mr (Gardner on this ijiios-
tiiiii was our member for the countv, .\m Mr ifohn
Alexander is herr, perhaps he will be able to say
whether that is true or nut? ((ireat laughter and
apiilause, )

The Loltn PltovnsT said he thought from thu
letter read that day from Sir .fohn Higby, these
remark were quite uncalled for, Tliey must
remei .her that Sir .fidiii Uigby is a member of the
(Iovernment, and certain etiquette was required on
the pait uf Sir tlolin, who, in every way, had
been tiyiiig to do his duty to the fi^rmeri of Furfar-
sliire in this matter. (Hear, hear.)

Mr Smith of lial/eordio said os to the remark
their friend ('olniiel Dickson had made '.e mea"t to
say that , Sir ilohh had advised Mr (inrdner on the
question of law. Sir .fohn was not a judge of
pleiiro, (l.nugliter.) He was no authority what-
ever ; every in.iii in the room wii« u greater autho-
rity tliiiii Sir .lohn. (Renewed laughter,) What ho
advised Mr (iardner about was the lettei of the law,
but It was for Mr (jardiier todeterniinu whether he
was satistied that the case was one of picuro or not.
The blame, if hlume there was, rested on (Gardner's
shoulders and no others. (Applause,)

Mr Andiikw Hit(JMKson rose to support the
motion. He could, he Si.id, bear testimony that
when in London Mr Alexander spoke very forcibly
to Sir John Kigby on this subject, telling him hu

NKKD NOT SHOW HIM KACtt
in Forfarshire again so long us the restrictions were
maintained. (Applause.) Tliat was a pretty
strong statement for Sir John Kigby 's (-'hairman of
Committee to make to Sir Jolm, but Mr Alexander
gave it him very heavily and very plainly. (Ap-
plause.) Mr .Smith's opinion was the proper -juu,
that Sir John Kigby had only tu interpret the law
to Mr Gardner. He thought they would uU agree
with him that the trade was condemned on in.sulll-
cient evidence, because condemned on miserable
microscopic evidence. They weie unable to say for
weeks tliat the case was unc of pleuro. If
they looked at the lung that came to
Dundee last week, any of them could at
once say it was contagious pleuro ; hut here
they had cattle coming across the Atlantic, and
they took three or four weeks to tell them whether
it was ))leui'o or not, and at last they had to send
the lung for reference to the microscope. There
had been a lot said about the Irish questiou and
about Irish cattle being mixed up with this one of
the Canadians, but that could not be helped. The
trades were somewhat antagonistic. If the
Canadian cattle trade were not blocked much less
could be got for the Irish cattle. He was speaking
the other day to an Irish dealer in Messrs Mac-
donald & Fraser's Auction Mart in Perth. This
was before they went to London, and he was asked
if there was any prospect of the restrictions being
renewed. He (Mr H.) replied that he hoped there
was, whereupon the Irishman answered — "Faith,
and I don't, for it puts £2 per head on each beast I
sell in the autumn if we don't get them from
Canada." That showed the view which the Irish

A Warning to Mr. Gardner.

furmpr and thi» IrUli ilo»l»r mnNt t«l<n ut the qiu'.-
lion. III' IicIIi'VimI tliii lii'irijciH u\ the I'liiiiitiy wiri'
iuoklnx nt tlii>t i|iii'Ktiiiii frmn

TOO NAIIIIOW A VIKW,

for if he ■|i<ike from liin own iiciNonnI |iiir»c at the
tnumcnt Im woulil go in fur tli« ilntim i/iio. Hut
wlint woulil l)u tin: coimuiiuciioe? 'I'lii'y wonlil
hi iiig till- cuttle iniirkit to lliuluvflot Kriiin't{r<'W-
IliK- ill' hikil Iti'cii otfcrril '2'2» |i(M' i|iinitt'i Hint
liny for Kr'""! »■>'' >t woulil not pay uiiy man lo
row it nt that IlKurc, Im ciiroil uot what countiy
in H('lcott>il ; mid In' |iro|ilieNii-il thut, without
CaiimliaiiH, Ihi'lr cnttlchri'i'iliiiK ami cnttlufeuiliiiK
wuulil in two ycarit' tiinrho hrouglittoHuchnlowHtnti'
that till' Innilof liiM frirml ('apt. ClayliilU lli'iKltrnon
anil the other proprii'torH wiuili) nut he worth
a rap. (Lnugliter.) It wiih not worth much nt
preHeiit, hut it woulil he worth Ii'hh if tlieHe leHtrio-
tionri vontinui'il. lie wnH ^\ai\ to hcc the meeting
WUH HO iiiinnimoUM ami no well nttenileil, altliouKh
In liclieveil that hut tor the feeing niiiikol in l-'ife
tliiit liny they woulil hav liiiil a hntje repri'Henta-
tion of 1 iiu HgrioulturlHtN tu Hupiiori them. iiuw-

over, thpy munt prR away ami xhow they min not
MntUlliMl. Kotori'iioe hinl heeii innilo to IriUinl,
nil I the Aot Oil wliirh Mr iinnlner pror«uilnil Hall
thnt III' WAH to Bee there wnH " rtaHonahln Heoiirity
fur tliu niliniHHion of Mtme cattle, " That ilnl not
mean they were to xIauKhler -lO.iMHi cattle in onler
tu Kut a HUHpiciouK luiiK ; they woulil kd^ a auipioi-
oiiii lung iiu mattor what country the cattle woru
from, If it iiiennt tintt they inunt be perfectly
clunn there wnn no une fur the Act at all. (Ap-
plaiiMo.)

The ruHolutioii wnw then put to the meeting, anil
W'lH corilinlly anil heartily mloptuil.

The Uilili I'KiiVDK'r Hnlil thin wah n iiueiiliuii in
whieh not only tlioy. the farrnern of I'orfarHliIro,
well' inleriHteil, hut nlno one in which the com-
iniinity of Duiiilee wan ooncerneil. Tliuy hnil hail
much Kooil RiienkiiiK on thin matlei, which he
hoped would ilii Kood in furtherini{ ilie ohject they
had in vu'W. (Applnu^<c.)

On the motion ol ex-I.oid I'lOVOHt Hunter, a
hiarly vote of thankH wan awarded the I^iid
TroMiHl for pri'Hidin|{, nnd tin- nieptiiiK, which wnH uf
an I'UthUHUVitio oh dCter tliruughuut, tlivn eiidutl.

A WARNING TO MR. GARDNER.

If Mr Durdiior is wise on his own liehulf j
fts wi'll iiH 1)11 lioliiilf of till) MiliiHtry witli
whit'Ii lie is cimiiuctud, lio will nut iioglect
tlio lossdii taught liim by the iigitiitiun
which is buiiig so briskly comluctcil
nil over Scotlmul Hguiiist the uiiwiir-
riiiitiiblo I'csti'iclions ho hits iniposud
upon the iiiiportntioii of Ciiiuuliivn cuttle.

Since AboriloLMi
there has been
of expostulation
policy which Mr
MoetiiiL's have

opened the campaign
a steadfast outpour

fiBoinst the Protective

(lardner lias enforced.

now been held in
Aberdeen, Liiurencokirk, IJrechin, Arbroath,
and Dundee, and next week Forfar, Cufiar
Fife, and a number of other agricultural
centres will formally join in the protest
that is being so firmly ofTered. In
Dundee yesterday there was some
very plain speaking. The farmers
who addressed the meeting evidently had
the subject thoroughly at heart, and in
unmistakable as well as in eloijuent
language they expressed their determina-
tion not to submit to the griev-
ances which had been unnecessarily
imposed upon tliem. Mr .John Alexander,
Ballindarg, who is a steadfast and con-
scientious friend of the present Ministry,
Btated the case manfully and forcibly. He
showed that no Government which prac-
tically adopted a system of veiled Pro-

tection was entitled to the sympathy
of the farmers in tliis |iart of
the ('iiuntry, and ho urged upon
those present to lot the Oovernment know
that they were not for Protection in any
shaiie or form. Cuming as they did from
one of the strong. ist supporters of the
present Government, these words ought to
have a beneficial effect upon Mr
Gardner. By the shilly - shallying

policy which was so fully exposed by Mr
Smith, Captain Clayhills- Henderson, Mr
Hutchesoii, and the other speakers, Mr
(•ardner has not only injured the agricul-
tural industry of this country, but is also
materially weakening the iniiuonce of the
Ministry. Unless lie is prepared to resile
from the illogical and, therefore, untenable
position he now persists in occupying. Her
Maiesty's Ministers will lose the majority of
their supporters in rural districts. This
question of interference with the
free importation of healthy cattle
is one which affects the whole rural
population. By the prohibitory Order
heavy losses are caused to farmers,
who will consequently be unable to pay fair
rates of wages to their employes. Plough-
men as well as farmers will, in these
circumstances, undoubtedly unite to
overthrow the authors of a system
of Protection, which cannot possibly be

A Warning to Mr, Oardncr,

justified. If Mr Gardner does not appre-
hend the inevitable rcBults of hia policy, he
may rest assured that his colleagues are not
equally obtuse. He is, at the present
moment, a thorn in their flesh, and they
are scarcely likely to be grateful to him
for the troubles into which he has pre-
cipitated them. In his own interests, then,
as well as in the interests of his colleagues,
Mr Gardner ought to think twice before per-
sisting in a course so detrimental to the
prospects of the agricultural classes.

There are some who still contend that Mr
Gardner is obliged to adopt the view of the
Board of Agriculture's veterinary surgeons.
This hallucination should not exist after the
• roceedings of yesterday. Experienced
agriculturists such as Mr Whitton, Couston ;
Mr Anderson, Balbrogie ; Mr Peter Fenton,
Dronley ; Mr Bell, Barns of Claverhouse ; and
Mr Wm. Millar, Keillor, were able to testify
that Canadian cattle are the healthiest obtain-
able at the present time. As Mr Hutcheson
said, no farmer requires a microscope before
he can say whether a diseased lung is really
affected by contagious pleuro-pneumonia.
Practical experience is a far better test
than any microscope, and when over a
million cattle have been imported
from Canada without bringing contagious
pleuro-pneumonia to Great Britain, no
further demonstration of the healthy
character of the animals from the Dominion
is required. Apart from these con-

siderations, however, there is the fact
that Mr Gardner's veterinary advisers have
in the past committed serious blunders.
Without referring again to the mistakes
made in the cases of the horses Maccash,
Cedric, and Knight Templar, and without
alluding to the alleged discovery of
Texan fever, it is sufficient to remind
the public that it was these same veterinary
surgeons who in 1890 reported to Mr
Chaplin that pleuro-pneumonia had been
discovered in Canadian cattle. Mr Chaplin
on that occasion did not schedule
Canada, nor did he order the
slaughter of the animals that had
been in contact with the cattle declared
to have been aff'ected. Yet there was no
outbreak of the disease, so that clearly iho
verdict of the veterinary surgeons
upon the lungs submitted to them
was totally inaccurate. In the face
of these facts, it is impossible for
any sane man to contend that the advice
of these advisers must be accepted. For
some reason or other it has pleased Mr
Gardner to take refuge behind his veterinary
advisers, but by doing so he is weaken-
ing rather than strengthening his position.
It can be proved beyond dispute that
Canada is free from pleuro-pneumonia, and
as they are fully conscious of this the agri-
culturists of Scotland are warranted in em-
phatically declining to tolerate the present
restrictions. — (Daiuiee Courier, 2nd August.)

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