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Mr.' Speaker, I um Bure that uelther you iior any other member of this EIouho oxpected llwit ' such a Hmall cause would {iroduce such a i big effect. At first I felt disposed to stand as a defender of the geutlemau who sent the report to tbe Free i'rcts, but I feel | DOW rather disposed to vote for the expul-l slou of any member of the press gallery If the shortest newspaper report forces us to ; listen to such a long page from the history | of this country, and to such a complete auto- biography as wu have been subjected to. In a general way I fully partake of the ylew expressed by the right bon. Prime Minister and the hon. leader of the opposi- tion, that every speech which Is uttered not only in this House, but on every public platform In the country, should be faith- fully and correctly reported by the represen- tatives of the press, whatever may be the political shade of either the speaker or the reporter. If there is anything wanting in the political life of this country, it is accur- acy and Independence in the reports and ar- ticles that appear In the public preas. But In the present instance, let us look at the sentence which was objected to by the hoD. leader of the opposition : *[^ "^i^. •i^MiiMMIttliiilUttllvMS^'t' ^''*''V'r''J~'^^ , C60 He (Sir Charles Tupper) attacked the French In a moat bitter way, but aald he did not include all French Canadian!. The bon. gentleman has thought proper to give these words an Interpretation which, if correct, would lead me to agree with hiui that the reporter had misquoted the hon. gentleman. But there Is a slight distinc- tion to be made, which la very important under the circumstances, and which the hon. gentleman did not make. The report did not say that Sir Charles Tupper attacked the French Canadians In a most bitter way, but said be did not include the whole of them. It stated that be attacked the 'French' in a most bitter way, but said he did not include all French Canadians. Now what do I find in Hansard ? Speaking of the hon. Minister of Public Works (JUr. TarteK whom the hon. ji;*^ntlemau lias thought proper to attack to-day, not know- ing, I am sure, that that bon. gentleman is now lying in bis bed and Is therefore not able to be here to defend himself, the hon. gentleman said : I need not say to the House that the Mlnlsleri of Public Works (Mr. Tarte) is the person toi whom I allude. I draw attention to the facti that be had just come from France, s. country^ that unhappily at this moment la In the moat bitter antagonism against England. Ho had just' come from that country which daily, through Its press, and through its public men, is declaring the most eutbusiastic sympathy with the Boers. He bad just come from a country that Is de- nouncing Bngland, that is gloating over every misfortune to our arms and rejoicing at every triumph of the enemy. It appears to me that the hrm. gentleman (Mr. Tarte) became Imbued with the atmosphere by which he was surround- ed, and so let us hear his first declaration after his arrival lu Canada. Again, the bon. goutleinau, referring to nn Incident wliicli 1 shall have another oppor- tunity to speak about, said : We haye witnessed the hon. member for La- belle (Mr. Bourassa) taking the very course I ■peak of. He took, apparently, a very indn- pendent, high-handed and dignified course. No doubt, he illil HO under the direction of the members of this govornment, under the direction, as 1 'believe, I do not hesitate to say, of the Min- ister of Public Works, and In order to strengthen the ii'ronch position— not the Canadian French poritlon, but the French position— he had taken, and to prevent anything being done to ahow sym- pathy with Great Britain in the struggle with the Boers In which she la now engaged. Mr. Speaker, I ask any man of good faith in tbla House If these words wblcli I have just quoted are not to the eflfect that Mr. Tarte, having been in France, broucht to this country the fwliiigs of the Frencii peo- ple against Ureal Hritaiii. I am uot liei-o lo defend the MInlHte? of Tubllc "'orkw. wlio, when lie is In the House, Is quite nblo to reply to the hon. loader of the opposition. Nor am I going to defend myself as to my personal relations with the Minister of Tnb- Itc Works. I shall have an opportunity on I the proper occasion of placing before the I House the whole course which I thought I proper in my conscience to take blnce last I session, and 1 will tlien deal with the large I and the small luclih'iits connected with my ; n'sl^natUm. my cnnipnigu in the coimty of I Labelle, and my re-entrance into the House. I If I needed to borrow reasons from auy- i body to defend my course, I might adopt j the words in which the hon. leader of the opposition to-day tendered such kind absolu- \ tion to the hon. member for West York (Mr. ! Wallace). Itut I will not use them ; I shall ' have a better defence. ! But the point I want to make is this, tliat I the hon. leader of the opposition, uiisquot- j Ing facts and forgetting dates, has tried to 1 prove that the position taken by the Minis- !, ter of Public Works and by the lion, niem- tlicr for Lapralrie and NaplervllU- (.Mr. Monet), and by myself was the position of Frenchmen anrnment-an uufortuunte I Incident which, for tlie sake of the pence of Kiirope and the peace of the whole world, was settled In the proper way, thanks to the I good spirit and the courtesy of the French i goveriiMient of the time. I refer to the 1 Fashoda Incident, which was made, so much I of by the jingo element of England and the i Jingo element of (Janada and to which the ; Tories of England and the Tories of Can- ada resorted so freely in their appeals to the fn untie sentiment of the lower sort of I electors. I Fortunately, broad minded journalists in both countries oudeavoured to restoi-e feel- ings of reconciliation between the people of France and Eiiglaml. and that reconcllln- tion was eft'ected, thanks to the broad polioy of Lord Salisbtiry li\ Enjilaud and tlic wise. IntellifLcent policy of Mr. Deloasse In I'l-anco. Tlifiofort- ti> siiy that iUo sojourn of the hon. .Minister of E'nblic Works In France was the moans of causint; discord and antago- nism Ixtwecii I'reii h ai"' lOnjjllsli in ('ana- da Is utterly false anil not borne out by any words that may liave fallen from tlie lips of tliat ifenlleman whom tlie lion, leader of the opijositldii lias thonjrlit proper to attack In this debate. I never try to Judge the In tentions of any man ; anil as a youiiii mem- ber of pai'liament I would not attempt to belittle tlie Intentions and i)urposes of the hon. irt'nlleman. Hut. as a matter of fact, tlie words that lie uttereil the otlier day, a r6sumC' of which was sent to the Winnipej; Frir l'r<.s.i, and tliosc lie has uttered to day are Just of a dmraeter to prejudice peojle who do not know tliorouKhly the feelings of the French Canadliins of the province of Quebec aiul to misrepre- sent tlie real intentions of those wh<), on the present occasion, have not thouglil proper to go ns far as the nuijority "' the peo|)Ie of tills country, or speaking for myself, as far as the f?overnnient of tiip coiuitry has tlioiu^lit proper to Ro He has no rliclit to attempt, as he has done, to prove that otir foelin,u;s correspond with tliose of the Frencii |ieo]iie of France; and I take this occiisiou to mak(> a state- ment ^vllil•ll Is nothlnt; new but which, striimrc to sa.\-, has to ii<' re|)eated often though it omilit to be well known to this country, it would lie one of tlie );rrealest mistakes made by pnlilic man in (Canada and a misi;iki' that miirlit b'» the cause of preat misfortniie, to tliink that tlie feeliiisrs which exist between Fri>nch ('anadlans and EtiKllsli Catiadians in Canada are the sanx; ns tliosc wiiii'h exist liciwccii tiie jieoide of France and the people fif Fiitfhind. I ilo not say liiis because 1 am asliaiiieii of my oriciu or of the country from whicli my anccs- toi's came, who were tlrst loy.al siibj(>cts of the klnn of I'liince and ;irterwards biH-ame as loyal sulijects of the Uiiitr of Knvrland. 1 plory in my l'"rench orlirin. 1 have no reason to lie asliamed of tiie peofile who live in old France ; but it is utterly false for anv one to comiiare the dilVerences that may oxiBt betwi-eii the lOimllsli ami IVencli In Europe to tiiose tliat may exist between Eutjilsli aii«l I''rench ('aiiadlans. 1 do not wish to tit) at lenvrth Into litis matter but may take another occasion to do so. As regards the hon. gentleman (Sir Char- les Tupper). who went over the whole story of his life in order to prove that he Is not H fanatic or a bigot, let me here say that I do not believe he Is either. I 1 elleve that the hon. gentleman, whatever may have been his political faults in the past, on •which I am not called to pass judgment to- day, Is a broad-minded man In those mat- ters. But unfortunately cireumutances have placed him at the hea^' of a party which has based its success too often upon reli- gious and natiomil cries. Some hon. .MEM15KU.S. No. no. Some lion. MEMHKIts. Hear, hear. .Mr. H()FU.VSS.\. 1 am not going either to say Some hon. MH.MHEKS. Take it back. Mr. ItoFU.ASS.V. No, I shall not. 1 will prove it. Some hon. MK.MHKUS. Hear. hear. Some hon. .MFMllFUS. Take it back. Mr. BOUU.VSS.V. I am not going to say now An hon. .M1;MHKK. Be a gentleman. Mr. B(.»FK.\SSA. I am not going to say tliat the (Jonservative party has had In the past, or has In tlie present, a monopoly of those apiieals to I'ellgions and ntitlonal pre- judices. I am free to admit that In some Instances, unfortunately, some groups of IJberjils alsr) hjive .appealed to national and religious prejudices. I know that in the (.'oiiservative party there have been in the past, 'as there .-ire In the present, among 'loth English and I'n-nch members of that party, men of good will and broad minds who would be ashamed to apjieal to those preju- di<'es ; but there is at the same time an el»»- ment in that party that has very often for- ced tlie ieailers of that party to make de- clarations which, left to themselves, they woidd never have ma<1e. Hut docs that ex- cuse them V I must say that tiie hon. geu- tieman lilms(>lf. w lio leads the opposition, wliatever may he the iliffeii'Ui'es between us, is after all one of liie most remarkable ligiiri's in r'aiiiida. lie was one of the foun- ders of confederation, he has been on<> of the noted ptiblic men. not only of Canada, luit of the British Empire, and I am proud to say it ; but it Is most unfortunate that that lion, gentleman, for the imrjiose of secur- ing votes, lelt himself compelled to use such language as has been (juoted to-day and to make such appeals as he was obliged to re- sort to in the city of Winnipeg. The hon. gentleman has tried to ';.>, .iid not for tlie tlrst time, to explain tl. spet'ch he made In Winnipeg. I tpiite agree that he migiit have told the peoiile of Winnipeg that they could just as safely put their conlldence In him as in Sir Wilfrid Lanrler, that they could Just as well rely on the po- licy of the Conservative party to settle the school (lucstlon as on that of the Liberal party ; btit I ask, what was the use of his appealing to the people of Winnipeg on this ground -' I a Protestant and he (Blr Wilfrid Lanrier) a (Catholic' ? IIow did •hat religious difference affect the question? What did It matter, as regards the policy of either party, If Sir Charlen Tupper was UlUiBttJ an EugUab Protestaut and Sir Wilfrid Lau- rler a French Catbollo ? We know that one word or two, fullinjj at a particular mo- ment from the lips of a man occupying the position whlcli the hon. gentleman then held, are more pregnant and more effective for evil than ii whole tirade of religlouH ap- peals by smaller men. It has been said, Mr. Speaker, tliat during the eh. 's of ISiMJ the French Liberal party resorted to racial and disloyal ap- peals. Some bon. MIOMHIOKS. Hear, hear. Mr. BOUU.VSSA. It lias l)eeu stated that during the elections of tS'.Ki all the French Catholics in tlie province of Quebec, sun- porting tlie I. literal party, appealetl to the French electorate in this way : IMit into power Sir Wilfrid Laurier, a Frendimaii and a Uonum Catholic, and he will certain ly settle the question better tlian Sir Oliar- les Tupper couid. an KiiKlisliinan and i Pro- testant. Well, during tlie elections of \HW I looked after my election. I went througli some of tlie surroundinir counties and 1 n-ad a good many newspaper articles. Of co\n'se, some of those articles bad a belli- cose tone, fully equal to that of the news- pjiper articles supporting' bou. u'eutli'inen opposite. But I tliink it would 1>e cliildlsb fov real statesmen to come liere and fro tluough all tlie columns of newspapers t<- try to i)rove that one party or tlie other lieid feelings that the i)eo|)l(> really never enter- tained and v-lilcb were really never giv(!U utterance to by tin- leadlntr men ol' either party. Sir, what was Ibe argument of the French Liberal candidates of the province of Que- bec as lo the school question. When the IMII came up for tin* second reading in 189(1 and the leader of the opposition of that day, fol- Idwed by the large nm.lority of bis party, voted ngninst the second reading, bon. gen- tlemen opposite knew, and their news- ptiperx knew, and their stump speakers knew, that the French Liberals had nt)t voted with tlie intention of appealing to the racial and religious feelings of Quebec. I am not here to pass Judgment on the con- duet of either of the great political parties at that time. I was not a member of this House then. 1 may say that If I refrain from passing judgment, it is not because I am afraid to do so. but because It la useless. I Dm merely pointing out that the position taken by the French lilbernls of Quebec was not a |»osltion that was supposed to bring them Into favour with their country- inou and co-rellglonlsls. But they gave that vote, and In the campaign that followed, this was their general argument, through- out the province of Quebec : The Conserva- tives have been In power for six years since this Question arose. During that time they did nothing until the very last session of parliament, when so short a time remained that they could not hope to secure the pns- ; sage of the measure they proposed. They did this In spite of the notice and advice that had been given them as soon as In ; 1895 by the then Minister of Agriculture, I Mr. Angers, wlio thought lit to leave the I cabinet on that ground. He told them that whatever might be their good will. If they waited until the last session of the parliament, they would not be able to settle the (luestlon. Still, they waited until the last session, and liad only three months be- I fore the time of the expiry of parliament. , They knew that their Bill could not pass. ; The policy of tlie Liberal jiarty was dlffer- ', ent. Instead of trying to take legal means i that could not ap|)ly, they wanted to try by j conciliation to bring the Manitoba people ' to settle by tliemselves this question which I they themselves bad brought into the poU- j tlcal arena. That was the difference be- tween tlie two parties. And I say that if ! the i)rovince of Quebec voted in favour of the Jjiberals on the scliool question. It was because the feeling prevailed In that province, and has always [ire vailed, that, as so often expressed by tlu> Liberal leader, an ounce of conciliation is liet- ter than a pound of coercion. Whatever may have been the local feeling in one part of the province or the other, the broad line that dirterentiated the two parties through- out the province was that one tried to setth? the s(;liool question by law, while the other tried to settle it by conciliation. That was the real dltl'eronc?. And, speaking of racial and religious ap- peals, when we came back to this House and this governniy entered into negotiations and when the Roman (Catholic supporters of this government, anxious to see that question settled, anxious to see i)eac(> established, not only in Mani- toba, but in their own province, took steps to that end. wliiit did we s»'e V 'I'lipse mem- bers sent, as it was tlielr right to send, a jietitlon lo 111*! head of the Cbureli. asking liiin to siMid to this country a representative of bis high nioriil authority- not to do any- thing against the civil authority of this country, not to do anytliing .against the power of the Crown, but simply to settle with tlie least friction the religious differ- ences that had existed between a certain l)ortlon of the clergy of the province of Quebec and a i>ortlon of the laity. And what was the spectacle that we saw In this House ? We saw members, and parti- cularly the lion, member to whom the leader of the opposition (Sir Charles Tupper) has, this afternoon, tendered so kind a hand, tell- ing the people that the Liberal government had ai)pealed to the Pope of Rome to assist them in ruling this country. Sir. If ever a strong apiteal to religious feeling was u\adc In this House, since I became a member of It at least. It was In this effort to fasten a charge of disloyalty \ipon the lilbernl party nud the [.iheral uovernment, because the Catholic inembei-H of the party thought proper, without asking the permission of the hoii. uipnil)er for West York (Mr. Wal- lace), to use the liberty guaranteed under Britlsli rule to citizens of all creeds and nationalities to take the proper moans es- tablished l)y their Church to settle a (pies- tion of religious differenc-e. There was another question which the hou. gentle...,,!!, thought proper to bring into the dificussion. He speaks of a brochure that was distributed in 180U concerning the three ii-'Mions of dollar.^ which appeared in the budget of the Conservative government for buying guns, carbines and otlier weapons. Sir, iiuowlng as you do. the feelings that I entertain on tlie (luesliou of war in general, you will not be suriirlsed to hear me say that, if all the words contained in that broctiure are not riglit. at least the spirit is not wrong, from my point of view. Sir, the lion, gentleman tried to say that the Liberals who issued that l)rocliure in the province of Quebec entertained disloyal feelings toward England liecause tliey saw In tiie buying of these wi^apons an effort on tlie part of tiie Conservative government to bring Canada iutf> such relations witli Great Britain as would force Canada to act with England in all lier wars. I have never read the brochure referred to ; I did not have it distributed in my county. Tiic posi- tion I took In my loiuity was tliis : I am opposed to mlUtarlsiii for (^"iiiiada. I con- Isider Canada a pac-ilic country, a country liappily situated far from the rivalries whicli always threatened to destroy the peace of JOurope and bring into armed con- Ulct tlie great powers of the world. It is fortunate for us tliat oiu- country i.s so situated, tiiat we may inx ite the peaceful people of all nationalities to come and s(>ttle here. I was in favour of tiie policy of conciliation, not only for the races that live in Canada, but also for the nations of the wide world. Therefore, I did not tiiink proper to approve of a policy that meant that we were going to war. I am speaking now of my personal position. Hut certainly, when that lirocliure was written and circu- lated and when the general elections came on, there was never any Idea generally propounded In tills country, either by one party or the other, that Canada was to be an armeil natifiu. Therefore, I say, that !t was proper, at least It was open, for any candidate, either fJlieral or ConservHtive. to declare himself oiiposed to any military preparations for this country, to declare himself oppostid to any policy that would bring Canada Into closer relationship with Great Britain, so far as military operations were concerned— and for any candidate tak- ing such a position did not lay himself open to a justifiable accusation of disloyalty to Great Britain. I am not going to discuss that point now, because we sliall have another occasion to discuss it at length, along with the oth>r points that have been mentioned. 1 mere- ly want t(i say that times change, and wlieu we wish to criticise members' words and acts we must place ourselves a: the time when they spoke and acted. I say that at the time that bro<'hure was written and puliUshed nolxnly could accuse any man of disloyalty to England because he was op- posed to Canada preparing for war. Times liave changed, as we have often been told l)y hou. gentlemen opposite, ar.d at tiie pre- sent time 11 dlO'i'rent sjiirlt has developed in this country. .\t that time It was per- fectly legitimate -1 do not say to use all the words tliat may have been used iu that brochure— l)ut to entertain tiiose ideas ana to speak upon tiiose Issuer. Now, 1 have spoken at ;imch greater length tlian I iiad intended, but 1 iiave been compelled to do so by the leugthy remarks of the hoii. gentleman himself. But to sum up my argument, let me say that the lion, gentleman has no right, l)a.sed upon any- thing wiiich may have iieen said by hon. gentlemen on tills side, to accuse of dis- loyalty any French Canadian Britlsli sub- jects in this country. We liave a right to understand and to Interpret the constitu- tion of (ills country according to our Judg- ment, and we have a right to do so with- out being charged with disloyalty. We have a right to Interpret the British con- stitution, and the ('anadian constitution, according to our Judgment, without laying ourselves open to the charge of disloyalty because our Interpretation differs from that of thi> Tory party. There was no occasion for charging us with entertaiulng different viiMvs from tiiose our words express, there was no occasion at all for insinuating that we were acting as Frenchmen In sympathy with France, Instead of as British subjects. I say that the lion, gentleman opposite iiaving uttered those words, that 1 have (pioted, lit> cannot now (iimpliiiii If the press of tlie country Interpret his words as an attemiit to raise the race and religious cry In (^annda.