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Mr. lU.AKK I ngre,,. with a j,'no.l .leal „f « hat hash,.on .sai.l I.y th,. hon. un-mU-v wh,> ha.. i„.st tak.n h,.s soat (Mr. Ivo.s). 1 thh.k .s..na .•onfuiiou (^MMts as to the matter, hfca.i..,. it has lioen anpar- Jilt y eonsi.lfro,! tiiat a proewMling whicii is iViscl on the one .statut^: is to he .hipen.lent in i.art on the provi.sious of anothei- .statute. Tiie tn.tli is the prr.pnsetl legLslation whidi hius l.een di.seu.s.se,!' an,i which w.,,,1,1 relieve th.e |,nu. the .Ministe,' ti-oni tlie unnlioiis distinetion wiih whieh lie is »t present .nve..t,.,M,y, Making the rule ea,st iron" IS legislation whulr as I iinder.st m„1 it, woulil apply only (., one set (,f .lillieulties, namely, to the . iltkultiesarisingfromnavigation. Miit the Fi.sherv Aet IS another statute, with another .set of i.rohi bitions,an.lital»ore.servesil.sowne.xe tion power to the Minister; ami. therefore, tl,e pro.u*,lings in tlus ease, as I m.,lerstoo,l them, having he.., taken only m,,]..,. the A.H witji respeet to navigal.le rivers, ,t is oesi.Ie the question to attempt to ■ liseuss whether these proeee.lings are justiliahle nii.lerthe liv.r La I lave sueli as it is, a„d sifeh ! as I should pi.lge It IS likely to he, is hein-r at this I nine suhstantially impeded, for the uses b. wS , tlu. , V idenee that theiv had heen. of late years at all 1 ;;;;■'''«; '"'.V «';'''t impairment of the eon.lithm. It is :pufe.tly ol,viou.s that the efle.'t of sawdust will "F"-, ''1 v..ry mueh on the eharaeter of the stream. wH , II- ■'"■'■ "^ •^"'^''''' *'"■'' *'*''• if ^-" 'l«'^l I and uithout .sinimsities, no ,loul,t the sawdu.st will slKgi.sh, and partieularly when it is .Vtidal river J I .m s on Nv hieh the sawdust will he deposited, hailotte (.Mr. (;ilImor),that the sawdust keeps I l"^tii,gall the tune; l.utihere may he e.m.side'?- ahle deposits of sawdust inthe.se hays ami deep he't;;","'- '1 ^'l?„--''™«" ''"Ptl. of the river maj "aintained. There is, of eour.se, no ohjeet, for I poses of nav^ation, in having deep holes in a si^ Iv t I =''"1'"",^'1 P'""t- '^^ if the sawdust «ini.l\_hlls up the holes and leave the na .i.,:,l.l, peet oy tlii' two MiirisltTM. tliut tlicrc wiih no pDMiint he iiii>,'lit )«■, Imt on tlio foniial represeiitft- gri'iit piililic iiittjii'st inipviillfil liy tli»' 1 iiiitiimiiiin' tioii of rlic iiiorit iiii|iiii tiiiit 111:111 in the MiniKt.iy III tho pruHtn' time. (if,tln) ht:ite of tiling!* v\ liieli iins 1 next to the I'rinie Minister. Il vvii^ on the I Itii l)ueu continuing htv some time, wilile it would | of Fehniii'.y, IHS7, ihiit Sir Chaiiew 'rni>|>er tele- ai)iicai' that '.ery weriouw ineonvenienee woul 1 | gnqihed to the pix-Nent lion, nietnlier, tlien the can- result, even if tliedestnie'.ion of the entire liniilier- | (lidalea'jtively canvaHsingfol' Alliert (Mr. Weldon), as follows "1 iiitiMid to .xiibiiiit to tiiy colldaKiKN 11 proiMisiiI to ron- hiiliiiiitc tliu blanch riulwayn with main linii, hy which Kri'aler lu'onoin.y in iiiliniiiistrafioii will brctVectcU, and lliut-h grt'iitcr utility lo tliu coniitry scoiireil." 'riiiiik of it ! The .Minister who had hoen in eliavge (tf the Depurtmenl of Kail\vay.s for a long time, and who wa.s then, .1 think, .Minister ofl'inanee, aixl who tlu'refoie had a long exjieriepee in tl'.e two l)e|)iirtmentn which iiiosi speeially lilted him to deal witii a matter of this Kind -liin ex|ierience in the |)epailiiient of Kailways having given him a knowledge of th(' re(|iiireirients of the railways of the country, and 'iIh knowledge of the l'"iiiauce Department having instructed him in regard to the attention to lie paid to the liiiances of the country- that Minister, with all that exjierienee, and with all that inliiience, iiad come it is true at a late jieriod, it is true at a critical ]icriod, it is true at a period which perhaps did not fit him for calm coii.sideration of all the fiscal and eeimomical i|iiestionH which were involved, at a jieriod when hi.s judgment might peihajis, to a certain extent, be I oiiscnred iiy otiiei' and poliliciil considerations had i come to this conclusion, that the consolidation of tile lirancli railways with the main line of the In- tercolonial woiilil at once elVect greatei' economy in i the administration of tlu^ whole and much greater ' i^tility to the country ; and he hail also conic to the conclii.sion that it was his duty to siiliniit to his col- leagucH a pro|iosition to accoiii)ilish that result. He ohtained from the peoph ilia' measure of power ichich li(^ desired the .Vdniinistration to secure - whether l»y these or simihir devices it is not material now to consider hut he came to this Parliament hacked liy my lion, friends o|i|iosite. many of whom, no douht, received telegrams, the lion, memlier for .Mhert (Mr. Weldon) amongst them. I eamiot doulit that Sir Charles 'rup]ier siilimitted that proposal to the (iovernmcnt. I cannot douht that the niemher for .Alliert pressed upon him to jiress upon them that t!ie pi-ojio.sal should lie carrii.-.' out. 1 rannol doulit that Sir ( 'liarles Tiipper did '; he could and who could do more '' to hriiij; oont the redemjition of the promise which had so siic- eessTiilly redeeuuMl the County of .Mliert. folk (Mr. niarlroiil niiisl rememi.er that the policy i -Mf. I'.I,.\KK. He had iKit time eiiongh ! He of the (iovernmcnt according to a slatement made i Iffl 'H'* ""i'^'t' '^'"l the country, and the lion, mem- '.yavcry imiiortant niemlier of the Covernment I ''i'"' fo'' -^^'fi'MMi-. W iddoii) tells us thai foi four before the last electi.m, so far from parting w ilh j y^^'* I"' l^s b*'*'" hiboring m that tiehl which Sir these (iovernnunt railways in the Maritime Pro- ("liailes Tupper deserted. viiices, was to increase tlieiii by the purchase of 1 Mr. IU,AKK. Well, for three years. I lecoin- ilie properties of private corporations, in order as ! mend the lion, member for Albert, wh» now for Sir Charles Tapper said in a telegram whii^li 1 read the tirst tiiiu^ bring.s this matter before Parliament, to continue laboring, with the assurance that it will not be until the time, or about the time shortly ing business would not result, from a seviie course being taken in this regard. Ali I ask now is, that as we lia\e net had an opportunity of fully dis- cussing this (|Uestion, which we had reason to expect would be given to us by the (Iovernmcnt P.iil on thu paper st^inding in thi! name of the Min- ister of .Marine, wliiidi, we understand, will not now lie proceeded with, tlicri' shall be given a very careful reconsideration of tlu^ loiidition of atlairs with respect tothe.se rivers on which the lion, the Minister is at pi .sent enfoieing the iirohibition ; and that unless it be made upon that reionsidi'ia- tion absolutely [ilain tlia, such an important inter- est as the navigation interest is about (o tie seriously interfered with by the conf inuatioii of the system, a stay of thene vigorous proceedings should take jilace in the instance which his given rise to this discussion. ORDNANCK LANDS. Mr. HLAKK. 1 think 1 know something about the claim. The claim aro.se out of the ^.tiplllation of the original cession, v\hich was iiarlly statutory, of this land along the canal by which it was alleged to be on the eoiiilitiou that there should be jio buildings erected on il.anil that it should licfoi' the u.se of tlu^canal only, and there is an allegation that there has been a forfeiture of the allciration by the erection of building.s. I think t hose buihlings were ereclci! by sipiatteis. It would lie important to know how much of this is for law costs, and how much for conimissioii on sale ot lands, ami who is the seller of the lands ami what is the rate of eon iiissioii '! Mr. BLAKI'',. Is there not a iiuestion as to the deposit on the Logan farm, wliiili the auctioneer retained. .Mr. HL.XKK. What are we giviiiL; commission for if the auctioneer retains the ••<7.tX«t or .^M.tKHI '; Mr. l'.L.\KI''. I thin': the claim, however, ex- tends to a iiortion that surrounds the bywasli as well as to the other juirtion. THK RAILWAY (H'KSTIOX. Mr. IJLAKK. My lion, frieml from North Xor- to the Uou.se, tliat they might both be run with greater economy and with greater advantage to the pulilic service. It is true, that policy has not yet preceding the general election, that he may expect lie(Mi eti'ected ; but we have no doubt w hatever that to reap a harvest as the result of his labors. I do although .Sir ( liarles is 110 longer there, his spirit I not supiiose that he will be now coulented ; I still prevails, and that w'.hin a reasonable time, before the next election, the telegram will again materialise. .Mr. liL.MvK. Proiiowds of this kind have accomplished I'ertain iiids on former occasions. There was a former iccasion when this subject was liroiight forward, not on the suggestion