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Les diagrammes suivants illustrent la mdthode. 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 Hav lengl men allov MON / f- / V \J Young Men's Association of St. Pawn's CnuROH, Montreal, Having found that Mr. Ramsay's paper, read before our Association, was reported at length in the Legal News, it has seemed advisable to secure its circulation among our members and thair friends, and the Editor and Publishers of that journal have kindly allowed thoir report to be printed off in pamphlet form for that purpose. W. Geo. Beers, Prandcnt. Alex. McFeb, /Stwctary. Montreal, 26 •:' I *(■ ,>iv TREATIES AFFROTINO THE BOUNDARIES AND THE FISHEKIES OF CANADA. (From The Lenal Newt, Montreal.) At II recent meetinjr of tlie Young Men's Association of St. Paul's Church, a i)ai)or witli this title was read by Mr. R. A. Ramsay, advocate. While it was preparey had ^ ibility, ts h and If the is will that ascer- y pro- had Lord not as )resent ,how- ortant" lelieu, 45° on I. /. : Amer- is. It Jnited s and 2i I 'huU. %^ .VjwWiV'i <^ '^ ^ Jay, and on the side of England hy a Mr. Oswald, apparently a man of no merit in English p tion we will return to, for from it the long continued Maine boundary dispute arose) ; then along those highlands to the Connecti- cut, then along the line 45° to the St. Law- rence, then by the river and lakes to Lake Sui^erior, and tlien (aiiother disputed part) by aTake which the treaty called Long Lake., but which no one in the country had^ever heard of, to the Lake of the Woods and its N.W. angle, and then (another error) duo west until the line should strike the Missis- sippi, and then down the Mississii)pi to the soa. West of the Mississipiw was Louisiana, then, and until 1800, Spanish territory. This last line to the Mississippi was soon found to be an impossible one, for no line west from the Lake of the Woods could strike the Mississippi, which was much to the south. Now consider this treaty, and what by it England threw away. The old limit of Can- ada was down to the Ohio- There was little settlement on that river at this time, but the colonists of Virginia claimed it as theirs. It might have been right to cede the Ohio coun- try, but why the west? And why carry the line up to the north at the Lake of the' Woods? All that western country was occu-' pied by the posts of th(» ('anadian fur traders.' and royal military forts were at Sandusky, Detroit, Michilimakiiiac and other points.' These had never Ixion captured, or attempted' by tlie revolutionary forces. Th(! boumlary,' if given at the latitude of the head of Lak^ Erie, would have l)eon extremely lilieral.p Where it was placied was without reason, un-! just to the Canadian traders, ami entirely* duo to apathy and ignorance on the Britishr side. While we find long discussions onf other parts of the treaty, some trivial, t\m books do not give a trace of eflbrt to retain! these lands, which now form so many fertile states. The boundary aroused mucli indig-j nation in Canada, and partly on this account^ the western posts were not given up to the 5 United States for several years. I Next, in 1794, came Jay's treaty of amity" and com.merce. By it the boundary in the|; north-west was to a certain extent settled.|i By this time the fact that the Mississii)pii_ could never be reached by a line west from) the Lake of the Woods had been ascertained,! and it was settled that the line of 49°, which; was known to be about the latitude of Lake< of the Woods, should, whether nortli or south t of its N. W. angle, be the boundary ; and Great Britain gave up all the posts whicii her Canadian authorities had held (of course without right, but as a sort of protest) since the peace of I'aris. Jay's treaty also provided for the unfortu- nate St. Croix River competition. Commis- sioners were appointed to decimi to his hospitable en- tertainers, which his friend Mr- Webster should press; for when the result of the Ashburton Treaty was published it was found that Lord Ashburton had on every point yielded to the overpowering will of his adversary, and that the treaty well merited the term "Ashburton Capitulation 'jA' which Lord Palmers t on app lied to it. From him, however, the expression came "with bad grace when it was remembered how he had passed a golden chance a few years before. By the treaty Lord Ashburton had settled the Maine (piestion. But how ? By an aban- donment of the greater and best part of the disputed territory. It was called a compro- mise, but, Mr. Dent has said, it bore a striking: resemblance to the immortal Irishman's reciprocity, which was all on one side. True the United States took 5000 square miles less than then (tlaimod by Maine, ])U' the relinquishe«l part was for most partHterili waste. Lord Ashburton gave up a territor) of much greater area, in great part fertile an( well timbered. It included the valley oftht Aroostrlant liscovcry. Ho found a lottor fi uin lU^iij. ''niiiUlin to tli(» ("onitti do Voi^'Iuuih, writloii Ivitliiii a HiW dayH a 0oj tjic Higiu'turo of tlio Ijiijiiniil ti^nty of 1783 tit I'uriH lH»tW(fOn tiOn^ltunrand lior rovolt(Hl colonioH. In tliiu U will 1)0 ronu'nib(^rod, Vranklin was a (;liii'f iict'jr. No nian know Ijotlor than ho tho V)ro(;iH(» intontioiiH of tho partioH. It had <)oon for tliin roason that, as a|i|H>arH, tho (Dointo dc! Vor^iciiiU'H, thcui rrinio Minis- lA!r of l'"ran(;o, had writt^^ui to 1'>anklin, on- rlo^ig a tua]) of Auiuric^a, and ankud him to i uark ujion it tlu! uoiindnry lino as juHt sottlod <()r tho IT. S. The KHtor found by Mr. Si)ark8 l.vaH Franklin's roply, roturninj; tho map, svith tho romark that ho had marked with a ' Ui'iiiu/ T'd linr tho lindtM of tho U. S. as 1, &c., B. Fbanklin. aftor tho oxocution of tho treaty, an thi n ', tvnd iwn to iry so e map thoir rated, She t pow- Re- ces of igland n, but ig her ;d line )aniel I in his came left plana- ?ht of upon lat red |ify its way saw, hich now HOiirrh wa« made for it a]W tho treaty by un ofllcial wwit by the Britinh (ntvorn- ineiit. Whoii ho tufiior placo anothor map hiul, jih wo road in Mr. Ookor'w IvHtkN, Imhiu HuhHtitutod for it, and tliin Hhowod no daii^nrouH rod lino, Hiich as Mr. SpuritH ha on(» to Hiipintrt wh.'it had \nwu t]w .Vmori(;an chiirn. It waH a myHtoriouH matU^r. Tho (juoHti(»n which at onco occtirred wan this— Whoso intorcst was it that Spark's map sliould (Usapixiar ? What tlioniotivo? And yot was tho onttnprino a judicious one, when Mr. Sparks' copy was on record in Wasliin«ton ? Was not tlio mani- pulator of tho inpJiH indiscreet in ids zoal? Anotiior matter < i oundary was settled, of less confleipionce at 'iiat time, for there were no troubles there t'aen, and ye^ It wps again one where ' ,d Ashburtoi yielded every mile of c* untry in 'ipputo. By tho treaty of Ghent in 1814 con. laiiisioners were to trace tho boundary ad dijcribed in the treaty of Paris of 1783 Irom Ljdi-T Superior to the Luke of the Woods. Thoy met; th > " disagreed. The British claimed that the line should start from the extreme west end of Lake Superior, at Fond du Lac. now Duluth,and so up to the Lake of the Woods. The Americans claimed the lina by the linages. From 1820, when the commissioners were on the ground, until Lord Ashburton came to Washington, the matter was unsettled. He settled it. He gave away the whole, and there is the boundary on the map, following the through portage route to the North West, and not far from our Pacific Railway. Such was his treaty. Yet Lord Ashburton was, tb judge by his letters in Croker'e books, ratlior pleased with his own exploits and charmed with Webster. He had no resentment towards the man wlio had deceived him. He was too good-natured. On the contrary, he sent him his portrait, and was pleased to have Mr. Webster name one of his children after him. Before leaving the Ashburton treaty we must note that the line of 49°, which, as we have seen, was under Jay's treaty the bound- ary from Lake of the Woods to the Mississ- ippi was now continued as the boundary to the Rocky Mountains. The Ashburton tn>aty w«w Homowhat en- couraging for further Orog'.'i- As ulroady Htattul tho line had h)'on dotlni^l at tho lino of 49" to tlii^ Rocky Mountains. Beyond it was not dolhuvl. Tho country wjis in gnMt part wildornitHH. Thoro woro Hritish sottlonuMitH at V'ancouvor iHland. All d,r fight." After much corresponden** Mr. '*a(;ken- ham, the British embassador at Washington, was authorised to treat, and he did so on the plan (jf Lord Ashburton, — to give all avay. He tlrst took tho pains to uacertain — for ho was a sportsman — that while the Columbia was full of 3almoi', those fish of tho west were so absurd in Iheir habits as to decline to be cauglit in the true si^rtsmaidike way — they absolutely refused to rise to the gaudy lly. Ergo, tl.ii salmon were worth little, the river nothing, and the whole ridiculous country less, and the sooner given away the better. The Americans offered, as in Maine, to yield some- thing. "We will take the line of 4.)" from tho mountains to tho sea, and, to show our good nature, we will not mind about the tip of Vancouver Island, which that line would cut ofi". You may have that." With profound thanks Mr. Pack^nham accepted the conces- sion and concluded the Oregon treaty of 1840. After this treaty the boundary along the line of 49°, from the Pacific to the summit of the Rocky Mountains, was laid down by boundaiy marks. 10 if . Now, one would have thought that all ""^"■the boundaries were settled. But no, from P J^^the Oregon treaty came the San Juan d's- ni lit pute. The treaty declared that the boundary after reaching the sea in 49° should go through 'the middle of the channel between main- land and Vancouver Island out to sea. There Ivi .'Ms a group of islands in this arm of the sea, 1 Fuca's Straits, the main one San Juan. Be- sides several minor channels it turned out ■''^' there were two main channels, the Haro and the Rosario. The Haro further out and thus ( giving the islands to the United States and bringing the line near the British town of '^' Victoria on Vancouver, — the Rosario nearer . ^ mainland. The United States claimed the Haro and the British the Rosario, as the true **^' channel meant by the treaty. While corres- \ pondence was going on, a fire-eating general of the Ui-ited States, Harney by name, took possession of the island of San Juan. British war ships were sent out to attend to the mat- ter which had at once a dark look. Again General Scott, for a second time a iieace- niaker, appeared and arranged pending the settlement for a joint occupation of the island by troops of each side. This continued until tl'=o dispute was, with many others, settled by the treaty of Washington of 1871, and within our own time. It was referred to the Emperor of Germany as arbitrator. He deiiided for tlie Haro channel and for the United States, and again the United States got the better of England and has a boundary within sight of Victoria. None can, however, find fault with the decision of the Emperor. England agreed to accoi)t his decision, and he gave it, and at once England withdrew her giirrisdu. Where the British envoys at Washington erred— but then tiiey followed the previous disputes— was in allow.' nj^ the question to turn on this: whether the Haro or Rosario was the true channel ; for then^ was a third, intermediate, the Douglas, which more than either had claim to be most fair to both sides and to suit the reciuirements of the Oregon treaty. By the treaty of Washington it was provi- ded that the boundary from the Lake of the Woods to the Rocky Mountains should be marked out by a joint commission, and this was soon after done along the line of 49°, and i^vi « He )(j :NVi HO i;-li It] I ilA: •Ik Vc'i 'W: f Ire r JjW brought into prominent notice on the maps the curious notch in British territory which the possession of the United States to the N.W. angle of the Lake of Woods, as defined by former surveys, gives them. Thus ends our hasty review of the bound- ary questions under the various treaties. The retrospect is not a i)leasant one. With regard to each treaty the Canadian feeling has been that on each England was too yielding ; the value of the territory was not appreciated; and her diplomatists were outmanoeuvred on every occasion. But all is past and the situa- tion must be accepted. The boundary from Atlantic to Pacific is conclusively settled and at least no source of trouble can now arise on that ground. Let us pass to what is still an oi)en ques- don, and to the other branch of our subject for to-night. The Fisheries. Before discussing the Canadian fisheries in relation to the treaties, it will be proper to take a glance at the nature of those fisheries themselves. The main fishery of America is of course the cod fishery of the banks of Newfoundland. This, as well as all open sea fishing, is free to all nations. It is not our exclusive property, nor is the fishing generally over the Gulf of St Lawrence, nor, in fact, anywhere except within three miles of shore, — which is, by the law of nations, the territorial possession of each i)eople. Within that distance no foreigner can come to fish imless by treaty right or license from the nation of the shore. This is universal law. Now for the deep sea fishing with any profit, there are reciuired two things. TheJirM is the ability to get fresh bait. The bait used consists mainly of a small fish called caplin, of squid and some others. It should bo fresh. Fishing schooners from l? ranee or the United States cannot bring bait with them which will be of use. These bait fishes are in-shore fish, and it may be said generally that they are only found within the three-mile limit. Thus fishing vessels coming to the banks must first go in-shore to catch or buy a stock of fresh bait, and this must be obtained not too far from the bank fishing grounds. Without the 11 ly profit, rs< is tlie consists of squid Fisliing )d States ill be of [isli, and re only Thus lUst first of fresh too far ,hout the right to got bait in-shoro, tho bank fishery, which is, as stated, oi^en to all, is nearly valueless. The second thing required for suc- cessful bank fishing, is the liberty to cure the fish on shore, and pack them for transport to the vessel's homo. At sea, naturally, the process of drying and curing cannot be carried on. The fish are merely split and cleaned and salted to preserve them. What is required is that the vessel should go in-shore, land her fish, which are spread upon frames to dry. It has been found that the climate of the coaats of Newfoundland and the Gulf is more favorable than any other for the suc- cessful open-air drying of fish. Thus, in order to make her catch useful, a vessel must have the privilege of going in-shore to dry her fish on land, else she might almost as well have remained at home. Again tho bankers, as cod fishing vessels of the banks are called, often require to run in-shore to refit damages, get water, and buy stores, salt and provisions. For these reasons the privi- lege of coming within the three-mile limit and of going ashore is invaluable to the foreign cod fishers, and yet by our rights, wo are entitled to exclude them and to preserve these privileges for our own hardy fisher- men. In addition, it must be noted that tlu^ waters of the tliree-mile limit teem with fish which fretjuent, not the deej) waters, but those shallower and warmer limits. Hero are the halibut, and, oftene" than elsewhere, the mackerel and liorring, and many others in abundance. Thi right to fish witliin the throe-mile limit is thr 8 itself a valuable right belonging to the people of tho shore. Now while all the world has the right to fish upon tho banks andoix3n sea, the use of tho three-mile limit is practi- cally limited, outside our own i)eoplo, to the tishermen of France and the United States, because thess are the only nations with whom wo have treati&s permitting tiie use of the inshore fisheries and of the shore itself. A large part of the fish catch goes to Spain and Roman Catholic countries, and yet no Spanish or other vessels come; for, while they could use the open sea, they have not the needed i)rivileges of the shore. Although France and her rights are not strictly within the limits of my subject, it seems yet proper to say some words on those rights, which were grant«.om 1854 until 1805 the Reciprocity treaty continued in force, and no further difficulties appear to have arisen on questions connected with the fisheries ; but in that year, 1865, the United States informed the British Gov- ernment that at the expiration of 12 months the Reciprocity treaty was to terminate. I] jl h Si ill I 'li 1 H Eflforts were made by England towards a renewal of the treaty, but these, from various reasons, proving unsuccessful.the treaty came to an end ou the 17th of March, 1866 ; and as a consequence the American privileges under it lapsed, and reverted to those of the con- vention of 1818. In the meantime a notice had been issued by the Canadian Government warning the American fishermen that their right to fish in British waters would cease on the above date, and it became necessary to consider what measures should be adopted for the pro- taction of British rights. Eventually it was decided that American fishermen should be allowed during the year 1866, to fish in all Canadian waters upon the payment of a nominal license fee, to be exacted as a formal recognition of right. This system, after being maintained for four years, was discontinued, owing to the neglect of American fishermen to provide themselves with licenses, and in 1870 it became neces- sary to take strict measures for the enforce- ment of British rights. The result of these measures was the capture and forfeiture of several American vessels for infringing the provisions of the convention of 1818, both by fishing within British waters, and by frequenting Canadian ports for objects not permitted by the conven- tion. The difficulties caused by these events subsequently led to the re-opening of negotia- tions for the settlement of questions con- nected with the fisheries, and they formed part of the matters decided by the treaty of Washington of 1871. In that general settlement of disputes the American fishermen obtained the use of the inshore fisheries all along the British coasts of Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, New Bruns- wick, and Quebec, with right to land and cure fish at any place so long as they did not interfere with private rights. The English fishermen obtained the right to fish on the American coast down to the line 39°, i.e. the Delaware, — a barren privilege — and recipro- cal free trade in fish and fish oil was agreed to. T/.e latter was a valuable privilege for the Canadian fishermen, as it gave them the American market for the results of their toils. The treaty was for ten years, pltis two years, from notice from either side of desire to can- cel. It was, of course, known that the Cana- dian fisheries, given up for ten years pto two, as the minimum time under the treaty, were much more valuable than the rights grant- ed to Canadians, and, as we all remember, the Halifax Commission was appointed to deter- mine upon a sum to be paid by the United States for the surj)lus value of privileges. After a long examination the arbitrators awarded to Canada the sum of $5,500,000, which, after some shabby demur and shame- ful charges against the distinguished Belgian ambassador, M. Delfosse, who was the um- pire, was ultimately paid. The treaty, in its fishery clauses, went into operation 1st July, 1873, and continues at pre- sent in force. During these years there has been rest. No seizures of interlopingAmerican schooners, no disputes on the headland ques- tion, and this might have continued, but that the United States, acting on the dictation of the American fishing interests, which desire to keep Canadian fish and oil from their market, have given the notice prescribed by the treaty to terminate it, and it expires on 1st July of this year. Then all the rights granted by the treaty of Washington in 1871 end, and the rights of the Americans go back to the re- strictions of the convention of 1818, with all its attendant difficulties. The Americans will have no right to fish within the threo-mile limit, except on the part of Newfoundland, already described, viz., from the Rameau Islands on the south coast to the Quirpon Islaftds at the north end, part of Labrador and the Magdalen Islands; and the only place for landing to cure fish will be the small part of Newfoundland coas< on the south from Cape Hay to the Rameau Islands, and a part of Labrador. Then revives, of course, the great headland question, which slept dur- ing the period of the Reciprocity treaty, as well as that of Washington. All this will be upon us very soon. July is not far away. Yet it is difficult to prophesy what will occur. A new treaty is in every way desirable, and yet we must see to it that it is not to be a treaty of sacrifice. It will doubtless be found that our government and that in England, are already in correspondence with Waal prem tiie p thing view been arran recipi of tlK trade. In treaty been preser States from f beyon term that tl by Ca twelve be cal 15 July is •ophesy )ry way lat it is (ubtless that in cewith Washington on the matter ; for though our premier has recently spoken strongly against tlie propriety and possibility of doing any- thing towards a new reciiirocity treaty, in view of tlie numerous n;fusals whi(^h have been given, that does not preclude some arrangement of the flsherios independent of reciprocity in general, as well as inde|X)n(lent of the present reciprocity in tlie fish and oil trade. In the opinion of many a new fishery treaty is merely a matter of price. It lias been said tbat the notice to terminate the present treaty has been given by the United States in order to prevent tlie Halifax award from forming the basis for annual payments beyond the twelve years provided as a fixed term b^ the treaty. They feared, it is said, that the award of $5,500,000 would be claimed by Canada as the fixed basis of value of twelve years' privileges, and that they would be called upon to pay one-twelfth of that sum per annum for the future. It is well known tiiat the United States have always, wrongly we confidently think, contended that the pward was excessive, and in that view a desire to obtain, if ixMsible, a new measure of value, is not unreasonable. While we cannot predict any particular course, we can feel confident, I think, that the times have greatly changed since the days of Oswald in Paris, in 1783, of Lord Ashburton in 1842, and Mr. Packenham in 1840, at Wash- ington, and that wo will hear of no more satTi- fices in ignorance of the values of colonial rights. We live in different days, and, within recent years the point of view from which Canada is regarded in England has changed, information is more exact and general, and full value will be had for those possessions, — those valuable possessions, in connection with our fisheries, in which our American neighbours wish so much to share. ' *?> V. I I , ^ \m M'^yj^