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THIRD SESSION-ELEVENTH PARLIAMENT. 
 
 SPEKCH 
 
 DKLIVEIiKD nv 
 
 HON. CHARLES MURPHY 
 
 ON THK 
 
 MOTION FOR A FURTHER JNVESTJGATION INTO THE 
 
 PRINTING BUREAU 
 
 OTTAWA, T|-I-;SI)AV. APRIL -jr,. vmi. 
 
 St?, ^>?-^^J'^^, ^" RPHY (SPcrotary of 
 Ht«t,0 Mr. Speaker, althouah <iprin? has 
 arrived for tl.e rest of the world the winter 
 „„ /u*"^""**"?* '"'^'"s s*''" to ''»np heavy 
 N^^?K *^^ "'^'i'V''" '«' East HasfiiiKs (Mr 
 nhril 7h \ " ^ ;'V'>' '"■ l'^"'"tted to coin a 
 phrase that would describe that hon "en- 
 .„ ,1"f J/?ent political condition I would 
 8a> tnat it has been one of proiressive dis- 
 appointment. A few weeks a?o the re- 
 ports in certain iiewspapc.-s credited the 
 Hon. senth-maii with heinjr sorelv disap- 
 pomt.-d at that time on account of the 
 lact that a certain asitation which wa=i 
 then said to be on foot had not focused 
 m his immediate vicinitv and did not re- 
 sult in an exchanac of positions between 
 tiimsilf aiid the hon. the leader of the 
 opposition A short time later the hon 
 ffcntleman s reputation as a parliamentary 
 wit was rudely shattered by a little 7x9 
 story which was told at his expense bv 
 /« ^^I'-me^h^r for North Cape Breton 
 (Mr McKenzie), and now. Sir. it falls to 
 my lot to further increase his disappoint- 
 ment by declining to accept the niotion 
 which he has just presented to the House 
 
 In passing, J might .^^ay that the ordin- 
 ary courtesy extended to a minister whose 
 department is to be jilaccd under review 
 was not, it appears to m,-, extended on ' 
 this occasion, because I was no*, furnished 
 with a copy of the hon. aentlema.n'* motion 
 until late this mornin;,'. However I am 
 38C5-1 
 
 willinc to treat that as an oversight and 1 
 tound no complaint upon it. 
 
 Mr N(3RTHRUP. Then why mention 
 It? Did I understand the mini.^ter to sav 
 ihat he was not informed? 
 
 Mr. MIUIPHY. I say that I did not -et 
 a copy of the hon. gentleman's motion 
 until late this morning. 
 
 Mr. NORTHRUP. It was not drawn 
 until this mornine. 
 
 Mr. BORDEN (Halifax). .As I un.hr- 
 
 stond It the rule is that siir-h a motion 
 
 IS generally sent on the morning of the 
 day It is to Tie moved. 
 
 . Mr. JIURPHY. I merely mentiorod the 
 incident because I have seen on otli, . occa- 
 sions that the niotion was forwarded 
 tarlicr. 
 
 Mr. NORTHRUP. I notified the chief 
 winp of the ojiposition several days ago 
 and told him such a question was to be 
 brought up and that is the usual custom. 
 
 Mr. MURPHY. I am not raisin- anv 
 objection to the notice; 1 merely " men- 
 tioned that the copy of thi' motion was 
 not sent. 
 
 Mr. BORDEN (Halifax). The practice is 
 to give notice that a motion is intended 
 to be made and to send a copy of the 
 motion some time in the forenoon of tJie 
 ilay on which the motion is moved I 
 
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 complaint «bout that 
 
 never hoard any 
 practice before. 
 
 Mr. MURPHY. The motion, as it reach- 
 ed mv, is somewhat wider in iti term* 
 ttian the nolice given by the hon. member 
 to a geittlruian on thi« sidt- of the House 
 who transmitted it to me. But, bu that a^ 
 it may, let us look at the motion ol the 
 hon. gentleman and consider it for a tew 
 moments. In the flret puragrujih tlic liuii. 
 gentleman pro|iu8t'd ' that a itoyal Com- 
 mission be appointed to make inquiry into 
 the management of the Printing Bureau 
 for such time past as the commissioners 
 may consider in the public interest.' 
 
 i\(nv, Mr. Speaker, the inquiry which has 
 t't.-ca condiictid into the managemint of the 
 i'riiiliiig Bun au covers about twenty-five 
 > iJiTS, and the motion made by my hon. 
 friend, as well as his speech in support of 
 it, totally ignore both the period of time 
 covered by that Investigation and the re- 
 [x>rt made as a result of it, so far as the 
 !liidin(;s of that repi^rt are directed to cor- 
 ri ct the abuses tliat were discovered dur- 
 ing the eoursi- of the investigation. The 
 lirst paragraph of this motion proceeds: 
 ' NVith instructions to inquire fully into the 
 causes of the want of system therein.' 
 Wliy. Mr. Speaker, that is precisely what 
 hu.^ lieen done; that is precisely the work I 
 and the experts whom I engaged to assist 
 me put in a great many montlis at doing; 
 and the rtsult of that work is spread upon 
 tl!'.' paires of this report which has been be- 
 f'lre parliament and the country since last 
 NoveTiber. Then, this paragraph furthei 
 
 Croceeds : ' And to report wiio i„ to 
 lame therefore, and what safeguards 
 are to be provided to protect the coun- 
 try for the futute.' Mr. Speaker, all 
 or that has been done in the most 
 minute detail. A great deal of that 
 <l; tail is set forth in the report which was 
 presenttd to parliament in November last; 
 and for his onn purposes my hon. friend 
 chooses to iffnorc that report and the work 
 which it indicates was done before the re- 
 port was in shape to present to parliament. 
 In fact, the motion of the hon. gentleman, 
 and the speech which he has made in sup- 
 port of it, go to the extent of treating the 
 report and the investigation as two things 
 that never happened. Now, it is taxing the 
 cridulity of this House and carrying ab- 
 surdity to its extremest length to ask the 
 H'luse to accept any such proposition as 
 thiit which the hon. gentleman lays before 
 it in this motion. 
 
 The second paragraph of the motion 
 begins in these terms: 'And that said 
 commissioners be further instructed to 
 investigate how far other departments 
 have violated the law by usurping 
 the powers of the Printing' Bureau in 
 the matter of printing.' Now, Mr. Speaker, 
 
 ai a matter of fact e powera of the Print- 
 ing Bureau were uiorped by other 
 d partments; but ,. printing wat done 
 througli other department*, the reason for 
 tliat printing having bt:en done under the 
 Jireetion of another department rather than 
 under that of the Printing Bureau was eli- 
 cited in tlie course of Ue investigation, 
 and ai>propriate remedies were applied to 
 prevent that being done in tihe future. So 
 that, as in the case of the first paragraph, 
 this clause in the i«eeoiid is absolutely un- 
 neciRsary, because it deals with matters 
 which have been thoroughly investigated. 
 This parasiraph proceeds further: 'Or by 
 sending in reiiuisitions for supplies in con- 
 travcnti(in of ,the statute and regulations 
 ill that lielialf.' Here again, a full inves- 
 li'.'Jition has been made, and where any Ir- 
 r> iriilarity has beui found to exist with re- 
 riird to th. se requisitions, that irregularity 
 iifis bei II |aMmi)t!y stopped. Now, Sir. let 
 n;(: point out to you and to the House that 
 tlii-* s fond paragraph of the hon. gentle- 
 man's njotlon eovi rs the most ordinary mat- 
 iaw {if everynJay departmental routine. 
 To adopt this paragraph, I submit, would 
 be to establish a precedent whereby par- 
 liament would he substituted for all the 
 <! larlments. Governmental responsibility 
 would cease 
 
 Mr. TAYLOR (Leeds). And time it did. 
 
 Mr. MURPHY. My hon. friend from 
 Leeds says it is time it did. I would j-ist 
 say that the country has a different opin- 
 ion, and that is the reason my lion, friend 
 is on that side of the House and we are on 
 this side. I was propi eding to say that gov- 
 ernmental responsibility would cease and 
 li gialation would be rendered impossible by 
 the mass of detail which is now looked after 
 by the several departments, and which 
 would inevitably be transferred to parlia- 
 ment if the principle laid down in this 
 second paragraph of the hon. gentleman's 
 motion were once adopted. Briefly— and I 
 desire in this respect to follow the example 
 set by the hon. gentleman, as far as it is 
 possible for me to do so— let me sav that in 
 my judgment this motion should be re- 
 jected for the very simple reason that the 
 affairs of the Printing Bureau have been in- 
 vfRtieated, not once, but twice— first, by 
 the responsible minister who is charged 
 with that duty, and, secondly, by our hon. 
 friends opposite in the Public Accounts 
 Committee. It is true, that the investiga- 
 tion conducted by our hon. friends in the 
 Public Accounts Committee was abandoned. 
 Of late hon, gentlemen opposite have mani- 
 fe.sted a strange desire to abandon in the 
 committee investigations for which they 
 have pressed in tliis House; but in this 
 particular instance the fact that they 
 did choose to abandon the investiga- 
 
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 tion in the Public AceounU Commit- 
 lie li not my fault, and certainly U 
 not the fault of the government. 
 Wliotever blame or dUadvantage may 
 •tiaci) to hon. gentlemen opposite for 
 having adopted that course, i» a mat- 
 tir which concern* them un<l with which I 
 am not called upon to deal. Now, Mr 
 Speaker, all the fuctii relating to the man- 
 uKtiiient and the conduc^ of the business 
 uftiiirs of the Printing Bureau were given 
 to piirhunient and the country in November 
 last. I oasi-rt now, from my place in this 
 Houa... tlmt so far i<s the Printing Bur. au 
 is eoncriied, there is nothing left to in- 
 yestigate, an.l I further express my 
 belief that tliat is the opinion of Wii 
 country us a whole. To admit that there 
 i» at the present time any ground for the 
 motion iiiiiUe l.y the lion, gentleman would 
 IK- to adiiiit his contention that the inv.-ti- 
 ptioii conducted at intervals during the 
 liisl two y.ars and a half was partial and 
 incomplete Mr. Speaker, I do net admit 
 anything of the kind. 
 
 Mr. XORTHRUP. Did not the hon. gen- 
 til man hims. If promise to refer this report 
 of his to a committee? 
 
 Mr. MURPHY. No. What I did promise, 
 luid what I still intend to do, was to refer 
 those portions of the report which relate 
 to certain phases of the printing of par- 
 iJament to a special committee, and to 
 ask that committee to deal with the 
 recommendations in the report, which 
 suggest means for improving the faci. 
 iiV^*«K parliamentary printing and 
 
 for the smoother running of business 
 gineraliy between parliament and the Bur- 
 eau. I was observing that the investiga- 
 'l!!."„u:"5 • *** ^""''^ ^^'' " complete and a 
 J think I may say 
 
 searching inve 
 without egotis- 
 searching inve 
 any departmt 
 ing my first s 
 the hon. men; 
 Foster) describe 
 
 lore thorough or 
 
 •s ever held into 
 
 ijvernment. Dur- 
 
 ^s House I heard 
 
 ..lorth Toronto (Mr. 
 
 lii me course of a debate 
 
 i„ ..1 • u iT ; ; " kuuiac oi a aeoaie 
 
 in which he took part, how closely he had 
 applied himself to the business of the De- 
 partment of Marine and Fisheries when he 
 was first appointed to take charge of it 1 
 listened to the hon. gentleman with a good 
 deal of attention on that occasion, because 
 it happened that just at that particular time 
 I was very busily engaged with the Print- 
 ing Bureau. Again I hope I am not open 
 to the charge of egotism if I say that I have 
 never worked harder in my life than I have 
 worked during the last two years in en- 
 deavouring to bring about reforms in this 
 department, and to make it all that it 
 should be all that its importance calls for 
 because the Department of Public Print- 
 '"?i an-j^Statinnery, or, as it is commonly 
 ''3^5' H ^'"''"* Bureau, occup.ies a very 
 
 uni(|ue and important relation towards the 
 other .k'partnients of the «ovemmenl and 
 towards PBrtm..,ent itself. Parliament and 
 all the de; artMunts have to do with the 
 I'riMtiiig Burciu. If th« Printing Hur.au 
 IS ti..t run prop.Tly. if its work is not turn.d 
 "Ut as It should I,,., if the purchases are not 
 iiiH.lv and gi)o.|!t aupplitd to the several de- 
 partm.nts as they ought to be. then not 
 til.' Printing Bur. au alone, but ev.ry olher 
 .1. purtiii.'nt of 111.' government surfers For 
 that r.ason it struck ni.' that I eould not 
 .1» any mure UM-iul ».rvici. than d.vot. my 
 tune and energy t-war.ls bringing about ri' 
 form in that e.^tablishment. That I at- 
 tempted to .1,, an.l that I niaiiitain I have 
 done, an.l I assert, without f.^ar of ^^•.■.•.«s- 
 ful contradiction, t-hat the Printinc Bureau 
 18 as u,ll managed as any department ..f 
 government in this country. Dominion or 
 prov»ncial. 
 
 When an hon. gentU'inaii proposes at 
 
 t ...s stage that a third inv.stivatlon 
 
 should be undertaken, and uh.n 1,.,. chooses 
 
 to Ignore all that has I.,,.,, done li,. re- 
 
 minU me of the Jrishnian who rushed 
 
 hreathlessly into a railway station too late 
 
 t.> eatch hi.s train. A bystander said to 
 
 tiiiii: \ou did not run fast engouh Oh 
 
 yea. he said, I ran fast enous-di. but I di,i 
 
 !i".i' S''if°°" enough. That is the trouble 
 
 with the hon. gentleman. He started about 
 
 two anil a half years too late. As I have 
 
 pointe.1 out. th.' investigation I conducted 
 
 was be.'un in Novemb.r. 1008. If th,. hon. 
 
 gentleman haii before that date niov.d the 
 
 resolution which he ha.s presented to-day 
 
 or some other such resolution, there would 
 
 be some justification for his action but 
 
 there is absolutely none now. 
 
 ^^•u".°?^¥ (Halifax). I would like to 
 say that I did move a resolution including 
 these several departments, and the right 
 hon. the Prime Minister relused it. and his 
 followers voted it down. 
 
 M' MURPHY. I am'referrin- particu- 
 larly to my hon. friend from Hastings (Mr 
 Northrup). No doubt my hon. fri.nd the 
 leader of the opposition moved the resolu- 
 tion to which he refers, but he must have 
 moved It previous to th(« time 1 liad the 
 honour of taking my seat in this House, 
 because no such resolution has been moved 
 since I have been a member. 
 
 . Mr. BORDEN (Halifax). My hon. friend 
 IS mistaken The resolution I refer to was 
 moved before he came into the House in 
 1908, but a similar resolution was also 
 moved by the hon. member for St. Annj 
 (Mr. Doherty) after the Secretary of State 
 had occupied his seat in this House. It 
 was not confined to any one department. 
 Mr. MURPHY. I must take isSue with 
 my hon. friend when he says that a reso- 
 lution calling for an investigation into the 
 
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 19^'' .^fd"**"*?^- i ''««« the inquiry in 
 i»uo. and continued it nt .mnh j7™' *" 
 as my other dutiea u/^-.i ■ ^'^ .intervals 
 carry it on Th.. i„ ""''' P^'™'* me to 
 
 two %'.„:"■ and why'"o^..rjJt:''?^.'^ °^"' i 
 honesty was not 8.^,m.r T>»'dthrite'8 dis- 
 set out in he rl^rt r '''*7;"-d i" ai.o 
 ^'o wao d..;ails!"but I do"not"thri^f"-" 
 necessary on the present Occasion '"'' '* '' 
 
 th^'woK"hSi„"?j^^^'er *»••-' 
 
 ■ster has suppresserl in T,' ^ ''°"- °"n- • 
 
 iiever been charged with .^''i?^"'*''" ^aa 
 ttoat which. I Tav 8«. T'? V^"*^ " 
 to mv 1<J i_ '^ *^ unluckily, fell 
 depaTtnJ? '" «°""««on with ' thT^ 
 
 cidlntT political forf,fn"^ ""["'^'y --^ 
 
 Should he'"cr'or"h"^.-^'j\.3 
 
 liv to .l.t ^. ' hu-ineM transacted from 
 
 thou«,nds of thCs ^lonf ^n"''' '■'"?'"' 
 wit" this imv V«M ? '" connection 
 iM,rt K„ ;'"'' ''y do not appear in the tf- 
 
 I TBason that the dutv of fh« L '"' **"• 
 
 I - Hansard ' of ,000, , Jos $8?^ ft'f 
 
 ladded-''""'* "'*' "8»" hon. K.,„t,em.„ 
 
 i of' c:SkV.'"tV',4\*''rnt''i»n°' 'J' Parliament 
 that in a thin, which i.fL'^"!'""'/'"'"". 
 charged «rith tfre adminilf JH„„''"'y^«'' »!«»• 
 proper discharge of "hat duVrk'"'' *"" ^^» 
 
 ' Ponsible to th« people. ""'' *•"•' ■'» res- 
 
 'ssi£SsB.s.S'„^s 
 
 ''.V Todd in his work o?,^ T'* Particularly 
 ernment in EnS 1^'''^'^"'"^ eov 
 m of that work To^^ si^s.^ '""" '' P"«^« 
 
 p"ib'lV'f„^..fAVht-; tlPr/d'^ "« '- 
 department of tfie «tatp U-l i*'''S^ "> 3"^ 
 that the House of Com,;„,„^^'"'*u" '» true 
 «)ntrol and suwrvis^n T"' *'"«'" '« have 
 n.ent ite funcHon, ^e °thos77f T'l '*?""'- 
 not of administration control and 
 
 v«nWnTreS-"biifJ7h*'* "'fh, great ad- 
 the ^^uti?r^ver"f„p^*P|:r.?'t''° "hich 
 on. But beyond tha"tL'i:°j;HKH* J»"'«d 
 
 the details of the AdminL "l^'ntage iu 
 country. ■aminietration of the 
 
 And the samp author in «). 
 unie. at page 419, sayi; *''" '*"'^' ^ol- 
 
 «ru 
 
Tb* latrulo* of parliam*nUrr oommiltvM 
 into ■•tUrt which iwrtaia to the jdriadic- 
 *ioii ol tb* tSMOtiro ■OTfrninvBt i* rauallr 
 to bo doprfcattd a* it tvixla luarilably to 
 oTorthrow all (tnuiii* rvopunnibilitjr. 
 
 Nuw, the priiipipla laid duwn bv tb« right 
 hon. Prime Miniater. luittained by tbH au- 
 thor whuiii I havf ju4t <|Uotuil unti approveU 
 by this Huusf, liaa bvoii uppliud by nit' 
 tu the Printing Bureau. And «till, it aeenu, 
 our friendi oppuaite Hfe nut lutiiUcd. 
 However, that ii not tu Iw wondiTcd ut 
 Hon. gentlemen opposite will bu {uuiid to br 
 conaistent chiefly in their inconiiiHti'iicy. 
 Speaking in the debate in lOUt), the hon. 
 member (or Wc»t Kliiin (Mr. Crothrrs), 
 referring to the Depart iiient of Marine and 
 Fisheries, said: 
 
 It woald be nnreaKonnblo to find fault with 
 tho ninivter or the goTirntnent if the minis- 
 ter, on asrertainInK tli>- wrnnK-doinir. or at 
 the time when he >lioulil hav« aoci-rtainiHl it 
 with nrdiiiar." vigiliinci.. had diDmiicMl the 
 wrong-do«r sud Duuixhnl liim a.o the law pro- 
 vides. 
 
 Ami yet, in the prestenL instance, for hav- 
 ing dona tlie very thing that llie huii. 
 member for West Klgiii indicated, the gov- 
 feinment is now brought tu buuk by the 
 hon. member for Eaut Hustings (Mr. Nortli- 
 rup), who I have no doubt will expect liij 
 political friends and associates to support 
 him in presenting this motion. I do not know 
 whether it is too much to expect, but. 
 having regard to consi.ttency I might be 
 pardoned for saying that the hon. member 
 for West Elgin at least should oppofe the 
 motion of the hon. member for East Has- 
 tings, and vote with this side of the House 
 because, in the present cas<>, I have fol- 
 lowed precisely the line he laid down in 
 1909 when discussing the affairs of the 
 Department of Marine and Fi?' "lies. 
 
 Let me run over some of citations 
 
 made by the hon. inemt .or East 
 
 Hastings in support of this m< a. and deal 
 
 briefly with certain arguments that he ad- 
 vanced in presenting them to the House. 
 Let me premise by pointing out that every- 
 thing the hon. gentleman has mentioned 
 in support of his motion has been taken 
 from the report wnich is before parliamont 
 or from the evidence adduced before tlie 
 Public Accounts Committee. 
 
 Mr. NORTHRUP. Quite incorrect. 
 
 Mr. MITRPHY. The hon. gentloiniin lias 
 announced nothing new. 1 made very full 
 notes of what he said. He did not menticm 
 n single thing with which 1 was not i 
 fectly familiar by reason of the facts oiivi- 
 ted in the inquiry into tho Department of 
 Printing and Station.iry. And, so far ns 
 that department is concerned, be did not 
 cite a single case requiring attention that 
 had not been attended to as a result of the 
 inquiry I conducted, beginning nearly two 
 
 years and a half ago. Into the affairs of that 
 department. At the outset, the hon. gentle- 
 ni >n propounded a question tu the right hon 
 Pr iiiu Miniater. He cited a number of 
 (li .'lis of eimimission and omission on th* 
 I :irt of oflleials in the Printing Hureau, anil 
 askcil the Prime Minister whether, if he 
 ['■mill prove tliese thiiigs, the Priiiie Min- 
 iKlrr wuulii grant an inquiry. Mr. .■Speaker, 
 tin- hon. "C'ltleman merely made n ■•iim- 
 nuiry of what I had brought out in tliiit 
 invi'Stigution. Ev^-ry word uttere.l was 
 t ui\ budiiy frem the report which has been 
 t foro parliament since NovemU'r last. I 
 cliullen:;e him or any other hon. u'entleniiui 
 on that aide to dispute my statement. 
 
 Mr. NORTHRtlP. Has the hon. geutli 
 man (Mr. Murphy) ever heard of the 
 .\uditor General's Report? I quoted very 
 fully from that. 
 
 Mr. MURPHY. 1 will 
 Auditor General's Report. 
 
 come to the 
 
 Mr. NORTHRL'P. The hon. gentleman 
 sliould nA make the itateuient he is mak- 
 ing. 
 
 JVIr. MURPHY. In making that state- 
 ment, I am supported by the fuels. J am 
 I'untining myself to Uie list of deeds of 
 commission and omission which was cited 
 by the hon. member at the beginning of 
 111.-) >>pi'ecli, when he propounded a ques- 
 tion to the Prime Minister, and asked him 
 to aay whether, if these things were proven, 
 he, the Prime Minister, would grunt an 
 inquiry. Ttiat is what I am dealing with, 
 and I repeat, in regard to that, that every 
 word uttered by the hon. member wu.-t found 
 in the rejmrt which has been before par- 
 iiument since November last. Therrfore. 
 how ridiculous it is on the ])art of the 
 hon. member to cite matters which uri' now 
 ancient history, to ri.'ie in this House ami 
 propound sucli a question to the Prime Min- 
 ister as if wliat he proposed to cite was 
 the result of lubours of his own and to ask 
 whether, in the event of bis being able to 
 prove the.ie things an inquiry would be 
 giunted. Why, all these things were proven 
 ill the course of my investigation. Tht,t is 
 the only way the hon. gentleman ki.^^w 
 about thciii. Nivi r by any industry or assi- 
 duity of his own could he have found them 
 out. He comes here and poses before you 
 ai.d the House, and cravely asks if an in- 
 quiry will lie cranted on these thinis being 
 pniven. Why, ,'^ir, not only have theso things 
 b>'en discovered, but the people L'uilty of 
 tliem have been [lunished, and the wrong 
 prnc ces that, prevailed in connection with 
 tlien. nave been stopped. There is absolutely 
 no support for the position taken by the hon. 
 member this afternoon except that indicate d 
 by the newspapers that support him namely. 
 
Ce> 
 
 Wr *inc.. the (arti were ma.le public b» 
 
 »orthTXpoe whiS,?*"' r"""""' 
 of Bh,.*!)!! .u '. "'• '"*' reiiiarki proved 
 
 wt •!:.(. ■ Uiem»<j)vi'g th«. riirht to 
 
 •on that thi. niko. -j- T *' '"e •■•«- 
 »:«• to ui^l«;Ld'*"P"'"J«'"'- *«re from 
 
 done otherwTae Stn k/*''..*'1*J' P""*'"!? 
 Bureau waVdu«.„^i.'^'*'"£'' *''* Printing 
 puraued p^inci Jm •'!« 'neffoctive .nelhod" 
 whom my hon ?r L^ " i*^" K''""«'«>en on 
 Jiance to make a 1'''"','''' %l "'"''»' "- 
 inatance a«8i„st th/mL'" ^'"' P'*"'"* i 
 PrintinR Bureau Tak^^T/T?* °' ^^e 
 Interior Department I ''""""ce, the 
 
 itH immiKr«,K^?I InwlSr n7"'' 
 ture is reauiri><i <» . '"""''•'^""oii litera- 
 
 i.ot turn^^out wi hin t^V. *'""y- " " "• 
 
 rr?^ »" v^rpa^^^ji'^S,?:: 
 
 «rth> PrinUnl*^'"^ *?»f ""' attended to 
 
 blamed True H i. . ^"*^ """W be 
 Kn« Ih • • ■ " '* contrary to the Ap» 
 
 « srh^is -if '«" &3 »'<■■ 
 
 wtUi certain reMoui adducad bv ihl hn- 
 oourM of hia obaervat \ ih- Til' :?• 
 
 irintiuB Bureau, Jt would In- »urDHiin» il 
 
 l^eat \xZi\i .*ny tim"e ' b'u?'?' ha*.° n "'' 
 been completely atopped ' •"• ""* 
 
 HV-^-eS\T&t^oTh'„t'^ 
 
 cally known among printerraa » L*""''"'* 
 
 That aubject also fa dealt with in . '''''^- 
 
 tract from the report "upon it Atpal « 
 
 tion u^n t'b'ru?>t ?; ^^fin'.„■rt^ort■ 
 
 l,m!l?n ♦hu'" <'°":'<'"inp what has been 
 
WwtmJnit^r th** two psp<>rt«, to whom I 
 h»vf Juit reterrtd, prwewl In their recom- 
 mrruiationi lu »et out on page 41 o( th« rr- 
 port: 
 
 (Unr4> « diflrrsnt r»m«Jr mii^t hm xpitltwl, and 
 in nur opinion it i« adTiMbl*. in th* intcrMta 
 noi only of tb» proper nmnagvmpnt of th« 
 Pr>BtiM BarMQ, bat of tb« nnHiiiet of tb* 
 priMliBi biHMBt** ut pnrllanMnt and of a)l 
 tb* Arpartmrata of th» internmi-iif, that 
 tbara iboakl ba mbm bndj, buraan, eommittaa, 
 or eommiaatoB obargad with tha followinn 
 dntiaai- 
 
 I. SaprrriaioB of tha matarial to ba ineladad 
 in dapartmantal raporta. 
 
 t. BapvmaieB of oopy for raporta an4 (xtbat 
 pabliaatioBi. 
 
 I. SaparTiaioB of tha tranalalion of all r» 
 porta BBd pnblicatloBa. 
 
 Now, Mr. BpeakiT. n» you will obiMTve, 
 this niattvr mentioivcd dy thf hun. nifni>H>r 
 In support of hi* motion, ii om- thut '.» 
 very particularly dealt with in thin r«|M>rt. 
 The remedy that U hrre pn-ncrlbid (or th' 
 evil is otie which is desfrvins; of the Bcriu\is 
 considtrution of this Hou»>-. nrielly, whnt 
 is here propoard ia that there should he 
 established, between the Printing^ Bureau, 
 on the one hand, and parliament and the 
 departments on the other hand, a clearin^r 
 house to which all copy (ron> parliament, 
 and the different departments should be 
 sent. In that bureau, committee, or, for 
 the sake of more apt illustration, clearing 
 house, an I prefer to call it. there would be 
 a corps of officials especially skilled in 
 dcalinK with work of that class. If copy 
 was nut in . ropor condition to be sent to 
 the Bureau it would be sent back to the 
 department from which it came in order to 
 have the ntct-ggary corrections made. Such 
 a bureau or clearing house would also per- 
 forai another very necpssary function, if 
 proi erly manned, and then' would be no 
 trdublc in havinqr it properly manned. If 
 th' ofhcials now doing work of this char- 
 act- r in tlie different departments and in 
 the ofllces of parliament were all assembled 
 in such a bureau they would perform an- 
 other necessary work namely that of super- 
 Tising translations from one official Inn- 
 guaL'e to another. If that were drme the 
 work of these departments and parliament 
 would, in my opinion, not onlv he very 
 much simplified, but there vouki also be a 
 very great savins fo the country ami the 
 standard of our official publications would 
 be materially raised. 
 
 That, Sir, is one of the matters which I 
 shall ask the special joint committee, that I 
 hope this parliament will later appoint, to 
 deal with particularly- In this regard 
 misht I also point out that the experts 
 whom I have mentioned make another 
 recommendation dealing with this very evil 
 and, as a r?medy within the Bureau itself, 
 they augtrost the appointment of an officer 
 who would have charge ot composition— 
 
 the umptridler of compo«itlim, f belleife. 
 he i» cBileO I may Mjr. Sir, that such an 
 oiileer has twen appointed. 
 
 Mr. BEID (Orenvllle). Who is ttf 
 
 Mr. MURPHY. Mr. ! M. Draper. 
 
 Mr. KEID (Qrenvillc). Was he an oiB> 
 I'iul of the departments 
 
 Mr. MUhPHY. An ofRclal ol the depart- 
 ment and one of the must capable offlcials 
 <m|il»yid therein. He has been appointed 
 comptroller of com|K)sition no that there 
 il^u another recumnienUiition of the ex- 
 > ert.-t has lieen acti;d upon and effect xlven 
 !o it. My lion, friend quoted some nieterial 
 ■rnt Irem the Department of Militia and De- 
 fence nnd founded some argument upon 
 the cimdiliuM of the copy as « further rea- 
 -on why his motion should he adopted. If 
 my iiieniMry serves me r./irectly, the copy 
 |.) which hi' referred was cony furnished for 
 I lie puhlioatiiin known as t)ie Klnff's Hi'ku- 
 iations. l{ei.'ardinij the printinK of that 
 vi>; '"le a difference of opinion arose tlur- 
 if •, ■ " inquiry between tiie former Supir- 
 int< -ident of Printing, Mr. McMahon, and 
 :;ie ^I'titUmiin who had charge of this out- 
 •lide work -Mr. Cook It appeared from 
 l!ie evidence that Mr. Cook had sent this 
 work to li' done at an outside offlce, a. id a 
 .;reat many of the difHcuiti.'* encountered 
 in connection with the prii'tini,' of the vol- 
 iin>e were due to the work hiivins been sent 
 outside. Tlie former Superintendent of 
 Printing contt nded that it could have bi-en 
 ''.one just as well in the Bureau, and cited 
 ill support of lii.4 contentioi< the fact that 
 the French edition of the l>ef)k wiis being 
 printed in the Bureau nt Die time that 
 work was ?iven out. 
 
 Mr. REID (GrVnvillc). Who sent i' .? 
 
 Mr. MURPHY. Mr. Cook «o thii f 
 t!u ri' is any fault to be foun 1 in tha te- 
 •-'urJ it i.-* a matter for \vl i'h .\fr. '"'jok was 
 ii'Sponsiiile. The had copy 1 <. a'^tiTwords 
 «iis nicn'ioned, the changes !*• ' were made 
 i'l ponii' ction ■ ..': the work ••.' ! tht- re- 
 •iiiltinK incrcii»<! •; he cost wtr (xplaini d 
 by the Departm . , >f Militia and Defenee 
 .I'uJ it \va-< simply one of those occurrences 
 that are hound to happen in eonneetion 
 vith a publication of that character. 
 
 Now, my hon. friend made a refcrenee to 
 i tlie letting of a contract for a pulilioation 
 e.'illed Farm Weeds by Mr. Cm.k, nnd faM 
 tliat after tlie contract had Se-n mn'le n- 
 fther official went around the different 
 'Ificis in the United States and Canada, 
 .Tnd got prices to lay before the minister. 
 Inadvertently my hon. friend quoted the 
 wrong publication. It was not Farm Weeds, 
 hut another publication called Farm 
 Grasses. In connection with that transac- 
 tion it might be well for r ■ > to give the 
 House somewhat full detai.^, so that hon. 
 
C4 
 
 member* may appreciate ezaetiy what kind 
 ?' • K'ntleman Mr. Cook i.. and Xt 
 trouble auch a gentleman can ia^forthe 
 
 wmlho'L'''? *'^•^'" " department' « 
 ♦^ ; ? f? °* ?' •*"»^ interest to the House 
 
 the hon. member for East Hastinm imd 
 possibly one or two of his assoeiit^' w- 
 J:^^^/'':!' political MuWm/'^^^ 
 now that the bottom has dropped ouTof 
 the anti-reciprocity league. 
 
 so^ajp"^'" (Grenville). Who are the as- 
 
 thu';i„h Y^^^- ^ ''«"«« the course of 
 this debate will reveal who they are. Now 
 
 Fi;m''wi!f- ^^'"^rt' » P-blication called 
 AeAcuI^,r 1 'J""''* ''y ♦''* Department of 
 Apneulture and supposed to be printed at 
 the PnntjnB Bureau; at least, the work 
 was sent to the Bureau to be excZ? 
 The arrangement in connection with that 
 P»^l«=«tion was that the litho^raphins was 
 to be done by the Toronto LithShTne 
 Company and the printing and bl^d^^ £f 
 the Printing Bureau. When the book wal 
 jssued an early copy was sent ?o my of^c^ 
 and in lookiii- through it I noticed tha»Th» 
 imprint of the King's Printer which ^I 
 ^"PPOfJ to appear „„ ^y^^ first pa^e of all I 
 official publications, was absent I made 
 inquiry about that and was told that it was 
 an oversiBht and that care would Se taken 
 to see hat it did not occur again So that 
 at the time the book was issu^ I wm asafn 
 given the impression that the woric^id 
 l«ni,'^°°n P*'""y ^y the Toronto Litho- 
 
 puhllS":,""" "" "»••'"" -111. thf. 
 publication called 'Farm GTassp.' ll "^" 
 
 s'er?h/t r trr"- "°'^-"" -"fuHj 
 
 see inat at the beginning the work «,«= 
 started properly, i insisidthri 'tenders 
 
 S th.t*thf« »*'*" r «**«" •nd owr 
 again tJiat there was only one firm in thi> 
 
 country that could do thit work. Withoat 
 
 my knowledge or approval Mr Cook went 
 
 gave the contract for that work to thA 
 Toronto Lithographing Company O^ the 
 26th March. 1910, I made inquire ai to Se 
 
 I had asked, and to that inquiry I received 
 no n-ply. Two weeks later I inquired alain 
 
 kV^'v •^'- ^°''''' "ceompZled by* the 
 hl7 ' ^"i'**'' ''"'»« to my office. Cook 
 had some figures which he said had b«n 
 supplied by the Toronto LithogJaphta^ 
 
 as°'"therJ:^^ ^^'^'^ I *''"'»''«' toSdef ' 
 as there were no other prices, produced 
 
 |ftr;£-Vr^4^;^d^-^u^- 
 
 ^rrtgJS;^^nna^ l^TllS.' I^/IL Te^ 
 
 ex'cTlv what'''"'"*"'*'*"^ Company,''but just 
 ^^„'» ? ??"*i "° P*"°n seemed to know To 
 protect the department and my °elf I ihen 
 
 s'^a? niVh^'n'h ™"J°.^"'»°^«Ph^"«Comp*^ny 
 an offl J»i ^ ^^'"* "» •"» indefinite way that 
 
 ness and had made some arraneenient wit 
 them regarding the paper, and that .^h 
 had done so without any authority fh! 
 department and its head'^ wou d no? rec 
 °e5»« any transaction that might hrve bLen 
 entered into by him. Some weeks liter Mr 
 «°'' "^S'" '°'"1« 1>« appearance!^ mv 
 °fflp««°d produced a typewritten shwt^J 
 7»''«'», he had placed a list of aUeg^d ten- 
 i''a that he had receivwl for thifwork 
 I demanded that I would be show^ the 
 invitations to tender and the repHes He 
 did not have either invitations or replies 
 
 and h"e sa^S' h^ K^T ^' «°' these pS 
 them l,hln ^^ ^^^ ^"""^ "°»nd and got 
 them verba ly. Not to make the narralivs 
 too long, the fact is that Mr Cook had 
 given that contract to the Torontn TifW 
 
 ..mi' } L ^ H'l P«d these vigils to mv 
 
 onto Lithographing Company to the Prinl 
 
 act u» ^o'fh °^' «"'». 'notwithstanding that 
 act up to the end of April he continued 
 to act towards me as if nothing at a had 
 been done in connection witg Uat con- 
 tract, and as if he had bona fide got these 
 
 lniT.m «""i""y o' which he produced 
 m my office. As I was still in doubt as to 
 
 MiaaHHa 
 
the ftrange proceeding that wai being car- 
 ried on, I made further inquiry, and later 
 on I tonnd that a number of the firms 
 whose names appeared on Coolc's list had 
 not only not submitted tenders but had not 
 been asked to tender. Finally to get a ro- 
 cord of the transaction I wrote to all the 
 firms asking them to let me know just 
 what had transpired between them and Mr. 
 Cook. One of the firms to which I wrote, 
 and the name of which appeared on the 
 summary of tenders, was the Mortimer 
 Company, of Ottawa. When the firm re- 
 ceived my letter. Mr. William Mortimer 
 went to the Printing Bureau and there saw 
 Mr. Cook and produced my letter of in- 
 quiry. Mr. Cook told him that was all 
 rii;ht, and said he would go into the King's 
 Printer with him, but later he said that Mr. 
 Mortimer should not come in but should 
 wait for his return. Mr. Cook went into the 
 office of the King's Printer alone, 
 and later returned with two letters 
 which he had presented to the Kins'-" 
 Print'r for si«rnature. Although both 
 of these letteri< were written in tho 
 middle of June, both were dated back '. > tli.- 
 22nd of April, the day on which Cook had 
 obtained the alleeed tender from the Morti- 
 mer Company. The.«p letters he handed Mr. 
 Mortimer, the one asking the firm to submit 
 ft tf'nder for the lithographing work in con- 
 m I tion with ' Farm Gra.sses,' and the other 
 a.skintr them to submit a price per pound 
 at whie'i tliev would be prepared to supply 
 the naper. Now, "the cirnimstances under 
 which the firm did hard in the alleged 
 tender are set out in tb* letter which was 
 read this afternoon by the hon. member 
 for Hastinsrs, and at this stage I need not 
 further refer to it. Then Cook carried out 
 R similar performance with the Toronto 
 Litho<rraj)liina Conmany. Mr. Sneaker, wlint 
 will you and this House think of a man, 
 who. havitie uiven a contract to the Toronto 
 Lithoeraphine Onmpany on the 23th of 
 February. 19] 0. wrote that company on the 
 nth of .Tune. 1910. datine the letter" back to 
 the 28th of February, and goinir through the 
 solemn faree of askine the cnnpany which 
 he knew bad been doing the work thrnush 
 the month of March nnil part of the month 
 of April to submit a tender for the litho- 
 crapbintr and for the paper. With the 
 letter that he sent that company on the 
 nth of .Tune, he, without the knowledge of 
 the King's Printer, sent the following letter 
 as well: 
 
 Ottawa, June 11, 1910. 
 Gpiitlen;en,— The enclosed letter is purely 
 fiirnial, bein« simply to place on file the facts 
 concerning my subniissicn of the 'Farm 
 Grass' (Irawinif and the specifications for 
 printinj? and paper for same. The matter is 
 n<iB- being taken up by our minister, and T 
 hope in the course of a few days to be able 
 
 to inform yon as to whether you are the *nc- 
 cesafol tenderer or not. 
 
 Yours truly, 
 
 H. E. COOK. 
 For Supt. Printing. 
 
 Imagine a man writing such a letter as 
 that on the Uth of June, 1910, when he had 
 given the firm a contract lor the work on 
 the 28th of February, 1910; when he had 
 received letter after letter throughout the 
 month of March from that firm showing the 
 progress that they had made on the work; 
 when he had gone to that firm and taken 
 the copy away from them, and made an 
 arrangement with them to return it so 
 that they might proceed with the work. 
 
 I leave you. Sir, and this House, to 
 characterize conduct of that kind as it 
 oucht to be characterized. But it will 
 probaibly be illuminating if I direct the 
 attention of the House to one or two other 
 letters written by the same gentleman to 
 other firms with whom he had the same 
 kind of dealings. One of the firms from 
 whom he got a price was the firm of Stahl 
 ift Jaeger, of New York. It appears that 
 when he visited them, they gave him cer- 
 tain specimens of their work, and on the 
 2-tth of May they wrote to him this letter: 
 
 Dear Sir,— We gave yon our estimate April 
 20 for furnishin;; ynnr coloured plate, will 
 you kindly advii^e n.s if the contract has been 
 given out. We gove you a sheet of Vaees, 
 .specimen of our printing, will yon kindly re- 
 turn same to us and tblige. 
 
 Yours very truly, 
 
 STAHL & JAEGER. 
 
 To that letter Mr. Cook sent this reply: 
 
 Ottawa, May 25, 1910. 
 Gentlemen, — I bey to acknowledge the re- 
 ceipt of your letter of ypsterday re coloured 
 platee, fur whicli I have your eatimate. 
 
 In reply, I have to say that owing to the 
 death of King Edward, which has caused a 
 lot of extra work, and the absence from the 
 city of our minister, the Secretary of Slate, 
 the oontract has not yet been awarded. As 
 siM'n as the successful tenderer is known yon 
 will be adWsed of the fact. Regarding yonr 
 specimens, I will have to ask you to let them 
 remain with me until the matter of the con- 
 tract is settled, when they will be returned 
 to you. 
 
 Yours very truly, 
 
 E. E. COOK, 
 For Supt. of Printing. 
 
 On the nth of June, 1910, he also wrote 
 Stahl & Jaeuer one of the stock letters 
 which he sent to the other firms from whom 
 he had received the prices which he set 
 out in the summary, produced to me 
 as a set of tenders which he had received 
 for this work. .\11 the prices were received 
 in practically the same way. and they were 
 all of the character of that described in the 
 
'<^4 
 
 10 
 
 ett«r from the Mortimer Company which 
 
 ^IJ^""- °'^'"''" '*^ Halting? read IhU 
 afternoon Now, Sir, when the hor mero- 
 
 tl, fif?"J»ttd indignation, ' Is it^Mibfe 
 jeiier? Certainly it ig. There was nn»h 
 
 flrm =L T •. .^*'*''> ^e members of the 
 firm and I got together and compared notw 
 
 ^ceiv^d^ h".';^ """" "^au-?^" had"Se^' 
 ahout tt af all uu A I'^^^S remarkable 
 thP fi™ » M /?* t*"* ''^^ represented to 
 the firm by Mr. Cook, in his great solicitude 
 
 ^rZ^"^' °>i"i»ter-andTereTs'S 
 f. ♦., ri^°"*^ *•'** the statement made 
 wal hS""/ ^'^^ ''« that the min^ste? 
 ar„t''Th'lL« o^r cV^^;^S "ale^°"r"- 
 colleagues who are listening to Z now Zl 
 
 ?h. iif /*'?* it for the first ti^that Is 
 the ooaitract was over ss nnn ♦!, „• • .^ 
 
 ZIl * ""'*'■ *° ""^'^t his minister if you 
 
 ' ard\Tve JI to r" "'^ ,*° ^'"« *hat K 
 'iu mve It to me to place on file as T liiii 
 
 Mr Wm' m\^"' ^« evidence given by 
 The hon. member for Hastinoo i„ ♦». 
 
 June, 1910 or if ha v.^a I ^^- *"*' 
 
 then he had'supp'^ss'ed' ,ta? hl^The"''- 
 done. Well Mr H„„ri !i "'"^ heen 
 
 hon. friend's purpo^ to deal wi^ ♦?'' 
 
 many davs and n „»,♦. ° !' ^ 'P**"* too 
 to allow 7t To be led 5" «'' P'«P«»«on. 
 and while it mav sf.if A "'^ ^'"'h way; 
 hoTi triJ^A I ^ "'t the purpose of mv 
 
 .i^i» S!^°?*. ■"*°P*'^ ■* different timM 
 thi oSJSf.'j*' two year, to effect reforms In 
 
 uarean. to improve its relstioaa witli tK 
 other departmenU. and to •ecnrTthl iirluJ 
 publication of the annual rSl hr Slrlt 
 ment, are indicated in the wrrSioSSni 
 forming appendix 1 to this report. 
 
 as^ih^^^i^n <^'?".^i"«)-. I would like to 
 nlrt }.« J. , .i:""",!'**' J"«t .there, if the 
 w%^^3 'f„"'-'^'"fu''" *"y reference to any 
 Tn^ ?;^„^ "* >*"' ""y °' commissions, 
 and 80 on. previous to his taking charw 
 of the department; in other wo^s wS 
 there any evidence of wrongdoing durine 
 'h« time the Hon. Mr. Scott wm mSf 
 of the department and Mr. Dawson 1^ 
 in charge of the department? 
 
 Mr. MimPHY. I can only say that the 
 practices of which the late Superintendent 
 of Stationery wa« withovrt doubt guilty, 
 
 a vear ^r^'r' ^"'^ '°i * E^'^'X^ <>' «t leaTi 
 a year or a year and a half prior to mv 
 entering the department. ^ 
 
 nn^I, ♦^^i'^v<^'"?."'"'«>- By that do 1 
 back onrl. *"* ^^^ '^onst^oing extended 
 .„ »K "v'^ * 5'^'.°' * y*"" »"<* a half prior 
 «o the hon. minister taking charge of the 
 department, and that it did^ot rlllv take 
 place during the time that Mr. Daweon 
 was in charge of the dspartment? "*~° 
 
 ci^'- J^^^^^^T-. I '^^^ that I cannot 
 VJu^ ^j"l- ^"^"^ ^«fi""e information 
 so lar as dates are concerned. The onlv 
 way m which we could arrive at a know^ 
 ^ge as to when these practices started 
 was to trace back the beginnings of the 
 dealings with those firms in New York 
 
 wHh ♦.,"™^''y'"t*^'y ^^* dishonest relations 
 wiOi the late Superintendent of Stationery 
 and those dealings began about a year or 
 
 Serartm'i" '"" """' *° ""^ ^^^^^""^ ">« 
 
 kn^w i?^P (Grenville). I would like to 
 be ,n,^o ^^'"'"'"r' '" the investigation 
 in^^Sl ;• "^ xPy '^"^^ to prove that dur- 
 ng the time Mr. Dawson was ,„ charge 
 of the department there was any commis- 
 sion paid or any crookedness of anv kind. 
 
 I ^ ^ u; ]^URPHY. Dr. Dawson w*as un- 
 [doubtedly m charge during the year or 
 the year and a half that those dishonest 
 relations existed between the late Super- 
 intendent of Stationery and certain New 
 York iirms. 
 
 . Mr. REID (Grenville). There was noth- 
 ing prior to the one-and-a-half year 
 
 Mr MUHPHY. I am not prepared to 
 say that there was not prior to the year and 
 
 %\s^ ■ ■ .."«*JR^*it^ 
 
 jUj^j^jgjjjg 
 
11 
 
 est 
 
 Mr. BEID (Grenville). Did the miniater 
 not go bsck as far as necessary to find out? 
 
 Mr. MURPHY. I went back for 25 years 
 and further, and the only date I am in a 
 positiod to give my hon. friend and thu 
 House with regard to the dishonest dealings 
 that undoubtedly took place, is the date 1 
 have mentioned— about a ytar and a half 
 prior to my entering the department. Just 
 when my hon. friend last interrupted I was 
 drawing attention to the tact that in my 
 report and the appendix attached to it, 
 covering some ten and one-third pages, are 
 to be fuund in a general way the indications 
 of what was going on from time to time in 
 connection with this investigation. I have 
 under my hand the reports from the late 
 Superintendent of Stationery, furnished me 
 at different times within the same period, 
 in reply to inquiries I made as to his deal- 
 ings with these firms. These would also 
 indicate what was 'going on, so that it was 
 a very unfounded assumption on the part 
 of the hon. member for bastings (Mr. North- 
 rup) when he said that either nothing was 
 done between these dates, or that if any- 
 thing was done, it had been suppressed. 
 
 Then he made a much more remarkable 
 statement. He said that my investigation 
 had revealed that there was a shortage, but 
 that there was nothing to show that a single 
 head had fallen on account of it. Now, I 
 take it that an hon. gentleman occupying a 
 seat in this House does not make a state- 
 ment of that kind unless he is prepared to 
 substantiate it; and if he does make it 
 without being able to substantiate it, then 
 I submit he has done something which no 
 hon. gentleman ought to do. That is pre- 
 cisely the position in which the hon. gentle- 
 man put himself this afternoon. What are 
 the facts? There were shortages and heads 
 did fall. It might be alleged that it would 
 be impossible for members of this House 
 to know what has been done in the way of 
 disciplining the staff down there if there 
 was no information outside of what might 
 have been furnished within the Printing 
 Bureau itself. In such a case, an hon. gen- 
 tleman might very easily be mistaken, and 
 I would understand his making a statement 
 in good faith such as was made by the hon. 
 member for Hastings this afternoon. But 
 unfortunately my hon. friend has no such 
 excuse, because the facts appear in a docu- 
 ment which is a document of record in this 
 House. No later than the 12th of this 
 month, a return was brought down in re- 
 sponse to an order secured by the hon. 
 member for Frontenac (Mr. Edwards), 
 showing the number of dismissals made 
 from the Printing Bureau. That document 
 was available to the hon. member for Hast- 
 ings just as it is to any other hon. member. 
 Yet in face of the fact that this document. 
 
 I on record in thia parliament, reveals, not 
 I that one, but that a dozen or more heads 
 fell, the hon. gentleman has the hardihood 
 to get up and make the statement that not 
 one head fell as a stricture on my conduct 
 in connection with this investigation. What 
 j does this return 8ho,w? It shows, first of all, 
 that the late Superintendent of Printing had 
 to retire. 
 
 I An hon. MEMBER. What was his name? 
 
 j Mr. MURPHY. I may tell my hon. 
 friend from Grenville that his name was 
 Mr. McMahon. . 
 
 Mr. BEID (Grenville). I did not ask hia 
 name. 
 
 Mr. TAYLOR (Leeds). He was superan- 
 nuated; his head did not fall. 
 
 Mr. MURPHY. He had to retire. He 
 resigned and was superannuated. 
 
 Mr. REID (Grenville). If that gentle- 
 man did wrong, why did the minister super- 
 annuate him? 
 
 Mr. MURPHY. In reply, I would say 
 that if my hon. friend means that he did 
 wrong in the sense of being dishonest, I 
 say no. 
 
 Mr. REID (Grenville). Then he should 
 not have been superannuated. 
 
 Mr. MURPHY. He was superannuated 
 because it was proved that he was not com- 
 petent for the office, and it was in the in- 
 terest of the public service that he should 
 be superannuated. But there were the fol- 
 lowing dismissals; Edward Auger, J. G. A 
 Harwood 
 
 Mr. REID (Grenville). 
 positions? 
 
 Mr. MURPHY. That does not appear in 
 the return. It was not called for. Only 
 the name and date of dismissal was asked. 
 J. G. A. Harwood, falsifying entries; John 
 E. Bailey, loss of time, usury; Arthur 
 Simard, intemperance; Charles Lacroix, in- 
 temperance; Alex. Baker, jr., intemperance; 
 John Gooiien, incompetence, untruthful- 
 ness, neglect of duty and responsibility for 
 shortage of goods in his charge. The very 
 matter mentioned by the hon. member for 
 Hastings this afternoon. 
 
 Mr. REID (Grenville). Have you the 
 dates of their appointments? 
 
 Mr. MURPHY. 'No, the order did not 
 call for that. The other names are : Thomas 
 Murphy, intemperance; Walter Kane, in- 
 temperance; R. E. Cook, disobeying in- 
 structions, waste of public moneys, placing 
 of orders outside of Bureau without secur- 
 ing competitive prices, and for untruthful- 
 
 What were their 
 
M 
 
 new and incompetence; Ore* Burn« ir, 
 temperance; Amtide Parent, fnteap'er'inw' 
 nl2^"iM *^ "»* «" ">"« di«mi.Ml, ?^: 
 
 toUet paper, bought in the United 8tLte« 
 
 i«^t''o^l^^^'1F^^^^^^^ 
 b'^^'f^-^S'^-ortC 
 
 must con^eV't^aT'Ut'rrti T'' ' 
 oiate it this afternoon I thouBhtTW^T" 
 
 Foj.t:r was sent to the penitentinrisa 
 ^ouJ^T "'." ♦" *^« distant N W M 
 
 £>:i^l^?rttr^tt^^r 
 
 ^"?on/h; e^^t^o^Va^ f^Sl S^vL^ 
 
 thp'e proved to he in t^ " '."^?stipation 
 M«y lor It. He only mentioned that in- 1 
 
 S.^ffiisi^^ei^tisr^r't^ 
 
 oVtfco^itt-^LnorS^t*/--^^ 
 l^rS^'f'^, ^*ca"rYh''-thUT Sr: 
 
 i.Teh^C^--«-^-,X^^ 
 bl thi''h?n '"'^^J: ">« """"on" asktd 
 Borden) Th.^'^K'"^" '"' Halifax (Mr. 
 Hn--.'".^:v * '*""• wntleman inquired 
 "e7 TWO**"** '"!e.'*° *»>*« contract bi^: 
 
 the aggnranpp nt «K« «m • i .; " ^ have 
 thing of the k°nd h J'5"»'^*''"« ^^at no- 
 facts were brought t^ligh? fc h''""** ^* 
 
 ShS3Se?^--"^ 
 
 the chief usurer M^^Bane'yTd'r' *^' 
 --d for his practil'^'^.?;: ^at^^nnt- 
 
 wl^ch'irsu'ch"?unim''"f'^ •« "^ ''-«*-" 
 -n only "ot.e?v"eXTr"b oS^^/*]?'/ 
 
 Shr*,;rn°/ed'^tr"hr3 ^ °'^""'»» ^ 
 
 the county Thleh^he'reTreseX^rrn "I 
 conceive that it i..^..iT ^ cannot 
 
 purpose than to be Itj^'T ""7 "'^er 
 
 lines and on the hi "'""^ "'^ «'<^e 
 
 election ttn,e°" H^^ refrrredT"a'°"^ ■"' 
 
 French Tf»»rJ^ because it was not in 
 
 u 
 
 [ i ^g i lBWUM tSBiSiiBrv-.- 
 
18 
 
 other employee who questioned him abrat 
 it waa « man he did not like who was 
 making himself offlcious in and about the 
 Bureau, and he answered as he did simply 
 because he did not recognize the right of 
 this man to question him; and a'idfd uni.- 
 servedly, that, of course, the notice applied 
 to him as to otherit, and he felt himaelf 
 bound by it. And I may say for the benefit 
 of the hon. member from East Hastings 
 . and of any other hon. gentleman who might 
 be disposed to raise such a question that 
 the French Canadian employees in the 
 Printing Bureau will compare very favour- 
 ably indeed with any other class who work 
 ir. that institution. 
 
 The hon. gentleman also quoted some 
 evidence given in the report tending to 
 show that political pull existed in the 
 Printing Bureau. He referred to a ques- 
 tion and answer appearing at i)8ge 237 in 
 which the names of three employees are 
 given and an expression of opinion is 
 given by the witness that these men pre- 
 sumed a cood deal upon political pnll. 
 Thn: r-as a mere expression of opinion, be- 
 cause as a matter of fact, there is no such 
 thine as political pull in vogue in the 
 Printing Bureau. 
 
 Some hon. MEMBERS. Oh, oh. 
 
 Mr. MURPHY. I make that assertion 
 with the knowledge that, not one but sev- 
 eral of my hon. friends on the oppo'^Ite side 
 of the House know that it is perfectly true, 
 they having had personal experience in 
 that regard since I assumed charge of the 
 Printing Bureau. Then the hon. gentleman 
 proceeded to read the repcii of Mr. E G 
 O'Connor regarding the lithographic room 
 and Mr. Cook's connection with it, and 
 said that if Mr. Cook was to blame some 
 one above was responsible, and no one 
 had bet^n punished. There again he is 
 incorrect. The man above nfr. Cook was 
 responsible, and he was punished. I gave 
 his name a few minutes ago. the latt- 
 Superint«ndent of Printing, Mr. McMahon. 
 But there is this to be said in this con- 
 nection— that Mr. Cook, on his own admis- 
 sion repeated, not once but several times 
 in the evidence, ignored the Superintend- 
 ent of Printing and professed to deal with 
 the King's Printer direct, althouah the 
 Superintendent of Printing was, by Mr. 
 Cook's own acknowledgment, his superior 
 officer. When that sort of a relation existed 
 in an establishment of this kind, it is not 
 surprising that iiTegularities happened, and 
 that Mr. Cook did some of the things tliat 
 have been already communicated to the 
 House and others of which I will tell the 
 House before I take my seat. But, Sir, in 
 this connection my hon. friend should have 
 read further, and he should have had the 
 fairness to tell the House that in the same 
 report from which he quoted, that of Mr. 
 
 E. G. O'Connor appearing at pages 147-8-9-BO 
 of the report, it is stated by Mr. O'Cnnnur 
 that the practices therein disclosed for 
 which Mr. Cjok above all other ollicials in 
 the Bureau wag chiefly re.sponsiblc. had 
 been stopped, as renoried at tlie <op of page 
 160. 
 
 These absurd prices appear to bare been 
 paid for • rs without protest by Mr. Cuok 
 or any oti.er oflioial until I railed attentiou 
 to it durins my inquiry, and. by yonr au- 
 thority, had it stopped. 
 
 Then my hon. friend (Mr. Northrup) 
 dilated at considerable leneth upon the 
 list of purchases to be found in the 
 Auditor General's Report and referred to 
 the evidence given in the Public Accounts 
 Committee in connection with several of 
 these purchases. It is true these purchases 
 are extensive, but they are not Bureau 
 purchases— that is, not in the sense that 
 th( -e goods ere intended for the Bureau. 
 The Bureau, as ia well known, makes pur- 
 chases for all the depatiments of govern- 
 ment and for parliament as wsll. My hon. 
 friend vMr. Nwthrup) did not allege that 
 mythin^? wrong was shown in connection 
 with the se purchases. He rather dwelt upon 
 the number of them and expressed the view 
 that all these goods could not have been 
 required. No evidence was given to that 
 effect, so I fail to see in what regard the 
 citation of these purchases assists in any 
 particular the position taken by my hon. 
 friend. 
 
 The hon. gentleman also referred to a 
 return that has been more or less discussed, 
 which was prepared in response to an order 
 passed at the instance of the hon. member 
 for E^st Lambton (Mr. Arm.strong). In 
 connection with that return he chose to 
 animadvert aomewhat severely upon the 
 i)ona tides of the present under Secretary 
 of State, Mr. Mulvey, and having given his 
 version of how that return had been pre- 
 pared stated that if Mr. Mulvey hid been 
 honest and intelligent he would not have 
 prepared it in the manner dwcribed by my 
 hon. friend. I hold no brief for Mr. Mul- 
 vey. Mr. Mulvey's character is such thut 
 it is not necessary for any hon. gentleman 
 to hold a brief for him, but I may say that 
 there is no man m.,re honest and there are 
 few men as intelligent and zealous in the 
 service of Canada as Mr. Mulvey. That is 
 a reputation which he did not need to come 
 to Ottawa to make; he enjoyed it while in 
 the service of the Ontario government, both 
 under the Rosa administration and under 
 the present Whitney administration. Hav- 
 ing said that much in reference lo Mr. 
 Mulvey, let me say further that this return 
 was asked lor in the Public Accounts Com- 
 mittee. When it was asked for, I informed 
 the hon. member for East Hastings (Mr. 
 Northrup), and I think one other hon. gen- 
 
14 
 
 i 
 
 Ii*-.™1° *?" "V^ '•'*'• preseut. pouiblv the 
 
 sr,^tLniSTenr/ht%>' ^\ 
 
 ^.Sf r Ser„Tf\?„' 'Ui^L.^ :r/^ Sn^'' 'l -, Cook-In-con-niT.I^n- 
 whohadthe^epaper.mhandonthemo,^ Bureau I »?n^\ '"'''* '?.*•'* ^'*°"°? 
 injf of the nieetinsr referred to. th«t T r.^ini. .11?'V\ J *i» "* yo" indulgence and 
 
 tn.«.!^f"*' °' •?"* importance and a« it 
 linM"i" *'« better tHan any other ex- 
 ample I can (rfve what kind of methoda 
 were p^,nued by Mr. Cook in oonneXn 
 
 inff of the nieetinsr referred to, that I point- 
 ed out the kvH that the papers produced 
 wero not the return of which we were 
 spealtinj? Ag the return could not be found, 
 certain drafts were produced from the de- 
 partment and these drafu were used in 
 place of the oriRinal return for the purpoue 
 of exanijninB the witnesses. In that way 
 these drafts became exhibits in that 
 committee. It has since transpired that 
 what we thought were drafts were in 
 reality the original return, and they 
 nave, in consequence, been a matter 
 of record in the Public AccounU 
 committee since January 20 last. What 
 the member for East Hastings (Mr. North- 
 run) complained of waa that while the 
 order of the House asked for a return show- 
 ing the printing, advertising ajid litho- 
 graphing done outside the Bureau, Mr 
 Mulvey m having the return made up ex- 
 cluded the cost of paper, that being a mat- 
 ter which in his judgment did rot enter 
 into the Mtum, having regard to the terms 
 cf the order. That was discussed in the 
 rublio Accounts Committee. Mr. Mulvt-y'g 
 view regarding it was fully and frankly 
 .stated and it is not necessary to go further 
 into It now. But as tl.e hon. member for 
 North Toronto (Mr. Foster) inquired this 
 afternoon whether the return on its face 
 showed that the cost of paper had been 
 excluded, and he was informed in reply by 
 JiiH ^^?" ™f'"ber for East Hastings that it 
 did not, let me correct that statement by 
 informing you. Sir, and the House, that 
 while one of the two documents now 
 
 m»fo '^ -li ^^% ^"^"° Accounts Com- 
 mittee, neither of which it so happens was 
 ever brought down to the House, although 
 L iZ p" M. *¥* impression when we met 
 i?,fi^ "^ ■." |^"°«nts Committee, and so 
 stated, would show only the cost of printing 
 lithographing and advertisin"- anothe? 
 shows ^.-^eo fically the cost of the p^pel as' 
 I '. .^ "" the information that was 
 Z^.t± .-K^^ ."-!, "Stained bv a^ hZ 
 
 that of the HousT wh^ri S'SrCoo'k'^ 
 KnT^7"of^the-RtSjt" "'-" *» ^•- 
 
 ?o"f. ^''^^/J'ih' P^^'H- ^^'■'"hav" 
 
 fnTcf^^tLr "^'^— ^ 
 
 P^ntf?U ^^^.J^-ny^^,^^ . 
 
 fh?fI?f*M'.f"* '''""* ^e rfa.ted?-A. Thae i. 
 the fact all the same. I maT mxv fkU ?.. i. 
 
 U^h"„f^Sf'"'i"r**y '••oolleotion of the facts 
 
 hr,^r *.^" .^v?*° J™.""-. *t all. -.^i'tZ 
 
 gentleman who desires to have econrsp to I ho~,^'.r"'»,""i""i™*" "rasinesB at all. and that 
 these two documents. My hon lend r^fer- the S.S?r^^"Vi"/ '^^^ *» "- ° aW 
 which Mr " V^T"""" .» connection witL Ped. thTBr,^®^ ^t Zbllrtin/^ "^""^ 
 which Mr. Cook obtained considerable aTd'^I!^.'?.^ ''^ ^^^V^^ "'""'difflcn'^^ 
 
 Uify ^7:iu^ ^4"tro^pt^e£i- 
 did not otject. I did not intfid to ilv^kj 
 
 ■^r?£«r-^'n.,-£th^e^?h1 
 
 Mr. Cook.-I had not been 
 
 which Mr. Cook 
 
 fiSsThUt '.f^^ Kive" ZT«l 
 
 them he would not have referred tT. ♦h^ 
 question at all. He spoklof an"rder giv^n 
 HoS: ^arhad'h:''^^;'''^'.' -"d to'lI*Ihe 
 practiU^„X^l1.VK-''C^^^^^^^ 
 
 onacertainoccasi^.^i^ey«--,J^.^.^££|^^^^^^ 
 
If 
 
 tioDM) the vatttHr to Mr. ParmelM. I wai 
 
 coinff *o Toronto in otnnHstion with other 
 work, and I dropped off from ona train In 
 the other— ^ 
 
 Gentlwnen in the habit ot travellin); be- 
 tween Toronto and Ottawa will notice what 
 a direct route Mr. Cook followed: 
 
 — nn<! 1 dropped off me train to the other 
 and visited the 'Reporter' office to see what 
 thny had there. I had not been ni-ar th m 
 bef re or broached the in»bier+, not did I 
 know that there was such a thins when I 
 WHS (.n my h' lidajs long before. I foand tha* 
 tlitv had the same power preM as we had. a 
 folding mnohine, a trimmer, and ererything 
 thmt y M necpsaary to dn the work. 
 
 Q. T' le has been further 'videnco givin 
 here by Mr. Parmehe, corrobcrated by an- 
 other witness, that rn one cerasion in tlis 
 room, when this particular order was under 
 disousoiic n, you nientioned that when the 
 proofs of the work came to the Bnrean. you 
 s.aw that it was not bein;; dene oy the (i'ln- 
 an. qHe 'Reporter,' but by the Ottawa 'Kree 
 Press,' and that y< n did m i mak" any m<>n- 
 timi of the mnt'er bicanse yon did not want 
 to biiiiff Mr. N' rm.Tn Smith down about yonr 
 ears or somethiPK to that effect P— A That is 
 prartically right. When the first proofs oarre 
 here, the manager of the 'Free Press,' .Mr. 
 Barker, t'ld me that he had made arrange- 
 ment-s with Mr. Britton to do the work. .Ifter 
 thinking the thing over. I thought, well, so 
 long as they did it, we had a hard and fast 
 price fixed. I did not knew just exactly whn; 
 tn do. and T let the matter go. 
 
 Q. You did not report it to Mr. Parmelee? 
 — A. No, I did not. I thonght that so long 
 as we got the work, and got it at a reas>.aable 
 price, I did n<it want to incur the displeasure 
 of the 'I'ree Press.' 
 
 Q. You were aware that the 'Free Presa' 
 was not doing it for the price you had fi.\ipd 
 for the Gananoque 'Eoporter ?— A. No. I 
 asked Mr. Barker afterwards what he was 
 doing it for. He said there was not much 
 margin in it for them, ho was kicking at 
 what they had to do it for. As a matter of 
 fact, he told me that they were doing it for 
 something in the neighbourhood of $200 loss 
 than the Oanano(^ue 'Reporter' got it for. 
 
 So that as a business transaction the Bureau 
 could have paid what the 'Free Press' 
 charged for it?— A.. I do not know. We were 
 paying for that work the ordinary rate the 
 Immigration Department had been paying 
 right along, and it was a prejtty close price. 
 
 I might interject here that that statement 
 is absolutely untrue as are most of Mr. 
 Cook's statements. 
 
 Q. But not «o close that the 'Free Press' wis 
 not able to shave it off a couple of hundred 
 dollars?— A. I aaked Mr. Barker how he could 
 account for that. He said : ' We are dead, 
 we are dormant, and it is a filler; th is 
 not much in it, but' it is better than nov..inR 
 —better than having our presses standing.' 
 I made up my mind that if we had paniplilets 
 of that kind in the future, it would be a 
 bidding proposition. I know that prices vary 
 according to the amount of work in offices at 
 times. You will get high tenders at certain 
 
 timet and low tendera at others. It depend* 
 on hnw busy they are. 
 
 Q. After the work waa completed, the 
 Oananoque 'Reporter' rendered their aecoant, 
 did they not?— A. Ye«. 
 
 Q. And it was presente<I to you in due 
 course, and vouched for by you.'— .\. Yee. 
 We had a complete delivery of the work, 
 and we put through i. account for it. 
 
 Q. And to that aceonnt von attached this 
 certificate: 'Rxamined, prices fair and iust. 
 (Sgd.) R. E. Co.,k?'-A. Yes. 
 
 Q. When you put that on the account ren- 
 '!ered by ihe titinanoque 'Reporter,' ym kne^v 
 as you have iust explained, tliat tho work 
 was done in the Ottawa 'Free Press office?— 
 A. ^ 1'^. I must admit that I was aware of 
 It at t time. 
 
 The fflcct of that eviaence was to leave 
 mu under the impression that this gentle- 
 man knew nothing about the Ottawa * Free 
 1 rta.i ' having done that work until the 
 proofs came to him {»oin the ' Free Press ' 
 otliee; yet he admitted that when he certi- 
 tied the account as (air and just he i'ad 
 knowledge that the ' Free Press ' had done 
 that work for «200 le.ss than ho had certi- 
 litd the Gananoque ' Keportt r ' account for 
 and he explained that by saying that he 
 thought that was the best thing to do. 
 
 But, there is another chapter of this 
 transaction that has come to hand since 
 t 111 w. report was printed. You will observe 
 in the evidence given by this worthy gentle- 
 man, upon whom the hon. member for 
 Hastings places such reliance, that he 
 mentions an interview that occurred with 
 Jlr. Barker of the ' Free Press '. After this 
 report was printed and circulated the at- 
 tention of Mr. Barker was drawn to the 
 evidence given by Mr. Cook. After Mr 
 Barker had read that evidence he came 
 down to my office to explain that Cook's 
 version was absolutely fal.se from beginning 
 to end. He further explained that Cook 
 • u l'*" °* "" »"anged a price of $1,160 
 with the Gananoque ' Reporter,' that later 
 on Cook had arranged a second price of 
 $950 with him, and not only arranwd that, 
 . lu^^"*'' arranged that the proprietor 
 of the Gananoque ' Reporter ' was to come 
 to Ottawa, get the copy from the Bureau 
 and go up to the ' Free Press ' office 
 with it; later still that when the proprietor 
 of the Gananoque ' Reporter ' came to Ot- 
 tawa, Cook actually telephoned, and made 
 arrangements for him to go up; that later 
 still, when the Ottawa ' Free Press ' in- 
 quired as to how they were to be paid 
 this worthy gentleman told them to ren- 
 der their account to the Gananoque ' Re- 
 porter,' and that he would notify them 
 when the cheque was issued from the 
 Bureau to the Gananoque ' Reporter.' He 
 also directed them to send the proofs to 
 him while the work was in progress. This 
 was such an astounding statement, in view 
 of the evidence given by this genUeman 
 
I ' 
 
 16 
 
 who ii now regarded as one of the new 
 propi o( the Con»ervative party 
 
 An hon. MEMBER. Order. 
 
 Mr MURPHY. Ye.. a,y hon. friend 
 may well call order '. but he should ad- 
 (Jresg his remarks to his own friends This 
 was such an astounding statement that I 
 asked l(ir. Barker if ho would put It in 
 writing; he did so, and 1 have here the fol- 
 lowing letter which I shall read to the 
 House: 
 
 Ottawa, Febrnary S, 1911. 
 Hon. Chas. Mnrphy, M. P.. 
 
 Secretary of State. 
 Ottawa. 
 Dear Sir,— My attention has recently been 
 railed to certain statements in the pnbliahnl 
 report of the Printing Bnrean inquiry which 
 I desire to correct. The statemenU referred 
 to were made by Mr. B. E. Cook in hisex- 
 planation of the way in which he gave an 
 order for the printing of 100,000 pamphlets 
 to the Gananoqne 'Reporter'. The facts for 
 ,'^ I «»n Touch are as follow: 
 About the middle ot Januarr ISlA t ..«» 
 to the Printing Bureau and iJteJ'iewii Mr 
 Cook on busineae. In answer to my inquirV 
 
 h2 'tt " T'^'"'^ "''•'' "»•' "y work ^ild 
 be sent outejde for some time, but that an 
 
 -^i?'*K°'n""-** P'SPhlets had been pla4d 
 with the Oananoqne •Reporter.' and that ther 
 h.T,"?'»iI° * P<»'t»on to handle it aa they 
 nad not the necessary p ant. He added that 
 If I, on behalf of tSe "^Ottawa 'FiSs Prei. ' 
 would quote a low onoui^h price on the work 
 he would advise Mr. Britton, the proprietor 
 Zi)\l «».n«°<"l"« .'Reporter.' to give it to us, 
 and that if our price was not satisfactory Mr 
 
 Montreal. He said he weuld prefer to have 
 t done ,n Ottawa, as in that case he could 
 look after it and see that it was properly 
 
 n^SfAM^"; ^^ ^''•^'' ^^"^^ «"« » sample 
 pamph et from a prior edition, and asked me 
 
 i^low fi nre""'"' " '* ^'- ^""°° ''«<' 
 Aft" \trnring the co«t of the work I again 
 went to the Bureau and told Mr. Cook our 
 price would be $950.00. He said he thought 
 this would be satisfactory, and that he would 
 ndvise Mr. Britton when he came to OtUwa 
 for the copy to leave the work with us. On 
 ;h,"f"\7 R-A'"*' Mr- Cook telephone me 
 that Mr Bntton was on his way up to our 
 office with the copy, and that everythiijg wSs 
 satisfactory. TIpon Mr. Britten's arrffal" 
 our office he stated that Mr. Cook had eent 
 him up and I irave him a written quotation 
 
 ir^'oT " * ^''^" *"""* °^" '"™ 
 
 v!^ r]!,v''!7?'"'' T" '° P"*"" I telephoned 
 Mr. took as to where the prv, -vere tn ha 
 ^nt and be told me to seSd^, J^te him 
 1 n*s was done. 
 
 When I inquired from Mr. Cook as to the 
 manner in which payment would be made, he 
 told me to send our account to Mr. Britton 
 and that the latter would send this aconnt 
 to the Bureau. He further informed me that 
 he would notify me when a cheque was for- 
 war ?d from the Bnrean to Mr. Britton, and 
 adv sd me to draw on the latter at sight. 
 
 Tears truly, 
 (Signtd) A. H. BARXZR. 
 SapariateMtaat Printiag. 
 Ottawa Frae Praaa. I4mlt«l. 
 
 1 do not wish to characterize. In language 
 that would be either harsh or unparliamwj. 
 tary. the conduct of any roan, but. Sir I 
 ._ ave it to you. and the House to say whe- 
 ther or not Mr. Cook was treated harshly 
 or t«>o leniently when he merely lost his 
 position m the Printing Bureau. I am still 
 
 all the facts elicited, delay having been 
 caused in getting some of them owing to 
 1 J2a'^^'^u°^ Mr Barker from the city. 
 I intend to hand the matter over to the 
 Department of Justice. 
 
 I d ) not wish to weary the House. I have 
 been obliged to go into these matters in soma 
 detail but the balance of the speech of my 
 hon. friend does not, it seems to me. call 
 for any special comment at this late hour. 
 f:L •..'". °°* particular address himself 
 especially to me, and asked me to give 
 him my opinion of the fact \vi- |60,000 
 had been expended for type*.-...,. Md 
 typewriter supplies. He asked me if I 
 did not consider that a little too high. Cer- 
 
 iT^-i ^^'''■i??'*.' ^°- That also i! i mal 
 ter dealt with in the report, and it is 
 because of the opinion that I hold in regard 
 to that, that the purchase of these supplies 
 has been stopped, and that the Bureau 
 since the investigation, has not purchased 
 any supplies except those that were urgently 
 required and which they had not in stock 
 tfJow. my hon friend read a large list of 
 fh f K^i*'.! «''^t'°naries. and other goods 
 that had been supplied to the various de- 
 partments, and he seemed to find fault with 
 that. Again. I have only to make this ob- 
 servation that it is not the business of the 
 ijureau to determine what narliament or 
 or that department requires for its 
 usi. The Bureau's business is to purchase 
 goods when they receive requisitions for 
 these goods properly vouched for. and pro- 
 perly signed, either from parliament or a 
 department. As my hon. friend has chosen 
 to treat the inwestigation that was held 
 t'y me, and which is still going on, as 
 
 InH^i K* u^^K ^"* °«^" happened, 
 and as he has chosen to disregard this re- 
 port of nearly 600 pages, and to treat it 
 merely as somethint *hich can be used to 
 liolster up his motion, and to serve no 
 other purpose whatever, let me. Mr 
 Speaker, draw your attention, and the at^ 
 tention of the House to some of the changes 
 that have been introduced into the Printing 
 Bureau in consequence of that investiga- 
 tion, and by reason of the recommenda- 
 tions made by the experts who assisted at 
 that investigation. 
 
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 r«fr,. *i™»«'Jy^ Mtimd thrangbout th« 
 buikUiif bm b«tn MMmblid ia^e roomi 
 
 w« aiorM dcpartnMnt bu bMn Mpvktad 
 from tbe pureeing depwimen? .nl uKn 
 «S-^{ # .l^'"' itorekeeper who i. Inde- 
 wpei have been ordered and in»talled- 
 tnr,f'2« •'io^k. hareTen orS 
 «« wVih'f^ .'"** "?•••.*" intended to do 
 t„ tlu. '.^ "** ^««>«'"«« that were found 
 to exl.t In connection with the attendance 
 
 i^A ^ """h' ?' »•"•" »»«• have been 
 _^i, .K°' \°*i ' <*°« '<»™ eatablialied In 
 which the whole clerical atafi has b«en ac- 
 bommodated; the stationery storeroom has 
 been made secure so that no one can have 
 access thereto alter office hours; a woman's 
 ,'unch room establUhed; a chief electrician 
 has been appointed; a loose leaf and office 
 dtvice expert has been appointed; it has 
 been arranged that all correspondence shall 
 f»^*''J'*?u»'' ^^^ 'i"'*'* Printer's office in- 
 stead of through those of various officials 
 as formerly; additional ruling machines 
 „f^*. u """l^ed: a controller of com- 
 f^ V"? ^'^ ^^^ appointed; a purchasing 
 agent has been appomted in order to keep 
 tie stores department separate and di^ 
 tinct from the printing departmept; the 
 
 S,ViHiniS? K""''-»il''"'' ""* corridors of the 
 building have been cleaned and painted- 
 an in ei.-'al telephone system has been in' 
 fn? r.'f^np '"'^™ methods of requisitioning 
 for supplies on purchasing agent and on 
 stores clwkfrorn the prirting division have 
 been mtroducpd, an officer has been an- 
 pomted to watch work jackets for the pS?: 
 poM of expediting work and to check over- 
 
 tem has been introduced and ita in- 
 stallation is in progres? in the leveral 
 branches of the Bureau where it U e^cct^ 
 
 rii^„ 4^1'°P'''l''* '"hin a month; ar- 
 rangements have been made to lessen rush 
 orders from the departments so that they 
 may be dealt with in a businesslike way a 
 register of correspondence has been estab- 
 l.shed;inotype cleaners have been appo nt- 
 ed so tha the half hour lost each day by 
 
 mav?T, ^J*" 'k "'^''^i'^S *^" machines 
 may in future be saved; a lithograph »x. 
 
 I ^nl kV >«» "PPo nt«l to sapnTiM copy 
 •^t by departmenU and to ob«ck Htbi 
 S^S-!"'*^'"'' "eouato; tbe pnetice ol 
 Mcmiag adTaaoe pricea in all litbograpbio 
 *S^" been eatablUbed; a new"timp 
 emboeeing machine baa been orderedTa 
 mechanical aaperlntendent has been ap. 
 pointed; an internal fire brigade has been 
 organised among the employed ", Ihe 
 protection of the building and the valuaS! 
 P«»Pfrty atored therein The atock re! 
 
 hT^TT *',*'°- ««?."e'nen and from a nwi 
 n!^°.l*''*'.^'"^^'"'*'<' Hessians who aup. 
 port them, has been reduced by over $100\. 
 000. -The order in council that requisitions 
 shall be made by the Deputy Minister or 
 by an offlcial oppointed by order in coun- 
 cil has been strictly enforced; a system 
 of checking has been introduced into the 
 stores branch which prevents stores being 
 handed out without entry: the inwa?l 
 checking of goods hae Un improved 
 and a receiving jlerk appointed: weekly 
 meetings of chief officials have been estab'^ 
 ished. and w-eekly reporU of these meet- 
 ings sent to the Secretary of State; a cata^ 
 logue of oose leaf devices and instruction^ 
 for ordering the same have been prepared 
 or use in all the departments; a newXk 
 1st is bring prepared. Then, Sir. in addi- 
 i»°J\,^ Ku'^. reforms which are some only 
 Of those that have been introduced, the ex- 
 perts who assisted in the investigation of 
 the Bureau have visited the establishment 
 at least once a month since this report wa^ 
 preseiUod to see that their recommendatio" 
 have been put in force, and to make such 
 further investigations as they think neces- 
 sa,>. Now, Mr. Speaker, not further to 
 ake up the time of the House, I will mere- 
 1> .''ay that on account of what we have 
 Uone, on account of what we are still do- 
 , '!■-', on account of what we further intend 
 to do. I must ask the House in view of 
 the results of my investigation, of the re- 
 forms that have been introduced and of 
 th,. saving that has already been effected to 
 he country, to reject the motion proposed 
 by the hon. member for Hastings as it is 
 both unnecessary and impracticable in the 
 form in which he has presented it 
 
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