IMAGE EVALUATION TEST TARGET (MT-3) 1.0 M i^lM |2.5 :!r 1^ illl2.o 1.25 1.4 — 6" 18 1.6 Photographic Sciences Corporation 33 WEST MAIN STREET WEBSTER, N.Y. 14580 (716) 872-4503 V qv n>^ ^^ n I submitted my financial stater-ent in 1873. Then, Sir, my woik was a Vv^ry easy one indeed. Hon. members oi; the opposite benches were pleased, on that occasion, to compliment me on that state- ment, but I felt that I had earned no compliment ; that if that speech was ac- ceptable to the House at that time, it was because of the satisfactory statements I was able to make with reference to the condition of the Dominion and of the finances of the Dominion, Then, Sir, I was able to point to steady and increasing surpluses and revenue, and that in the face of a steady reduction of taxation. Then, Sir, J was able to point, with some degree of confidence, to the prospective expenditu-es of the Dominion, extending over ten years. To-day I cannot speak of it with the same confidence. Then the consti-uction of the Pacific Eailway was under regulations that confined and limited the liabilitie.^; of the Dominion to $30,000,000. To-day I am not in a iwsition to say what expenditure oi res- pousibilitiea we may have to incur vith reference to that great undertaking. There has been a change in the policy. But it will become the duty of the Gov- ernment and of Parliament to consider, while wo have not the limit to our liabi- lities that we had— our money liability being then $30,000,000, with 60,000,000 acres of land— whether we cannot, by some means, construct that great work largely out of the 200,000,000 acres of land lying within the wheat area of that magnificent country. Then, Sir, I could point with pride, and with satisfaction, to the increased capital of our banks and the large dividend they paid. To-day I regret to say that we must point to depreciated values, and to small dividends. Then I could point to the general prosperity of the country. To-day wo must all admit that it is greatly depressed. Then I could point with satisfaction to the various manu- facturing industries that were in opera- tion throughout the length and breadth of the Dominion, remunerative to the men who had invested their capital in them, and giving employment to tens of thousands. To-day many of the furnaces are cold, the machinery in many cases is idle, and those establishments that are in operation are only employed half time, and ai-e scarcely paying the interest on the money invested. Then, Sir, we could point to t.ie agrieultiuiil interest as uiost prosperous, with a Batiafactory home markflt and MtUrfiotorT pricen nhtVMd. To-day thny havA a Hmit«a market, with lov: pricca, and iinything but a BHtisfac- tory market ahroiid. Tlmn, 8ir, wo couUl point to a vory viiluublo and oxtenaivu West India trade ; to-day it does not exiKt. Then, Hir, we coidd point to ii protlUible and direct ti".\ trade, that hiw Inion do- mornlized and doatroyod. Th(>n every- thing appeared to be proHiwrous ; to-duy, though it I'Mka gluomy, I hope thf.ro iH a silver lining to the cloud, that wo may yet see ilhuniiiating the whole of the Dominion, and changing our present po- sition to one of happineHH and prosiwrity. Mr. Ohainniui, there has been, und very naturally so, a good deal of interest and anxiety manifeatod on the part of tiie frienda of tho National I'olicy, as it is called, in regard to its early introduction. I can quite understand that, because be- lieving us they do, and as a majority of this House do, that that policy is calcu- lated to bring prosperity to the country, it was but natural that they should be anxious for its introduction, and tliat not a day sliould be lost. And it is satisfac- tory to know that, great and ditlicult as is the ve&ponsibility which rests upon me here, I may trust that the {jroposition I am about to submit will be sustained, not only by a majority of this House, but by an overwhelming majority iu the country, ^t was natural, tlieretore, Mr. Chairman, lat the friends of this policy bliould be anxious for its introduction, and it was pleasing and satisfactory to Bee that even the Opposition vied with the friends of the Government in that anxiety. It is most encourag- ing to me, because, of course, all Oppositions are jwtriotic, and certainly a patriotic Opposition, anxious for the in- troduction of this measure, could not have desired that a bad measure, and one not calculated to benetit the country should be forced hastily upon it. There- fore, I take it for granted that, in addi- tion to the support from the gentlemen behind me, we shall have the supj)ort of gentlemen opposite to our policy and the propositions we are about to submit. But, perhaps, it will not be out of place for mo to offer a few remarks in justifi- cation of the apparent delay that has taken place. It will be remembered that the Government was only formed on tliC 1^ \j6wuvi:. an criticinwl. 'ihiif, louti, as tlio proHfMWtim showH, waa offHrcl to the highest hidfler, anfl tendt'ra wore aaked lip to 3 o'clock, on the flth Deceinhor. At that hoiir, owing to a varioty of cir- citmHtances — and among thorn I may name the suapflnsion, on that chiy, of the W^'Ht of England Bunk, and the antici- pated 8iiH]>enHion of that l.atik fur HoycrnI daya previous, which led to the demand from the country Vianka on the hanka in London, for gohl tr. Htrengthen their poHition, and phicci' wvural of theae London institntiona in aiich a poHition that they conid not tender, although thev had intended to do HO at an earlier period — ahoiit XI, 700,000 only were tendered for, out of the £3,000,000 ; and it was then statrd that the loan would bo kept open till tlie fol- lowing Monday, at 3 o'clock. On that day, it waf announced tliat the balance of the lot>,n had been taken, an'l I was in a position to make my arrangements to leave on tho 12th, having made provision to meet our maturing indel)tednoss ; and on the 13th of that month the first in- Btalment on that loan was paid into tho hands of our agents. Now, Mr. Speaker, if there should be any further criticism in this TTouse, or elsewhere, with refer- ence to my absence from this country ; if it should be said by any lion, gen- tleman in this House that tho time se- lected for placing that loan on the market was an unfavourable one ; if it should be said that it was the most unfavourable time, looking at the condition of the London money market, in which any of the Dominion loans had been floated ; if it is said that that loan should have been floated in May or June, when money was bringing but two per cent, instead of six per cent, and seven per cent. — the rate when it was negotiated ; if such should be said, or any reflections be made with reference to my absence in England, I will ask my hon. friend — my predecessor — to make my defence. Then, Sir, after my return to Canada, it became necessary that we should consider the whole ques- tion of the tari£ It im not a question th«t can Vm settled in a day. Tt is not » question that can be settled intelligently in weeks, inde«*d it would hare iKHni well if we could havo had moi-o time to con* siller it than we have had, considering the magnitude and im|)ortJince of the work. 1 can ap|>eal to other Finance Ministers, and especially to my immediate IireclecesHor. who, in 1874, made several changes in the tarifl" of that ilay, to speak of the (lifflcultieH there are in making evon as few changes as wer«) then made. But if wo undermke, as the [iresent (lovernnient have undertaken, to n ad just and reor- ganize, and, T may say. make an entii-ely now tariff", having for its objcet not only the realization of li, 000,000 more revenue than will be collected this year, liiit, in addition to providing for that deficiency, to adjust tho tariff with a view of giving effc'ct to what has been, ami is to-day, declared to bo tho j)olicy of the maiority of this IIouso — I mean tho protection of the industries of the coun- try — the magnitude of the undertaking will be tho l»etter apj)reciated. Sir, we have invited gentlemen from all partfl of tlio Dominion, and representing all in- terests in the Dominion, to assist us in the readjustment of the tariff", because wo did not feel. — though perhaps we possess an average intelligence in ordinary Gov- ernment matters, — we did not feel that wo knew everything. We did not feel that we were prepared, without advice and assistance from men of experience with reference to these matters, to readjust and make a judicious tariff. We, thoreforo, invited those who were interested in the general interests of the country, or interested in any special interests. Gentlemen who took an opposita view, met us and fliscussed these questions, and I may say that, down to as late a period as yester- day, though the propositions are sub- mitted to-day, we were favoured with the co-operation and opinion of gentle- men who represent their particular or general views with reference to the great questions we have under considera- tion. We have laboured zealously and arduously, and I trust it will be found successfully ; and we are now about to submit our views for the consideration of this House. I think we may appeal with some degree of confidence to gentle- men in. opposition, in approval of the early peHoii nt whici) fhln Uriff In Wnf Ir- tnxluciNl, w!i«>n I cull tu tho iiiiixU of thonw hon. n»>nlli'n»'n that tln'ir (lovnrnnient wnH furmi>t ipeech until tht> Mtli of April, thin \mt\f^ ,the Htli of March. Wli«n wti Hiihniit to this House thi» rcHult of o'lr delilnMu- tions, you will nil un(i«tiHttinnt of tho c:)nhidi)rutiun that numt nt'ctwHiirily hiivti bi'on givt'n to thnm. I truHt ihiit thin Ifouim and tho country will fcol that w« lmv« pro- iientt'd our views at as early a |«Miod um l>oiiNi)iln, taking uU these facts into con- sideration. Now, Mr. CJiaiiman, I dcsiro to call tho attention of the Hoiimo in tho first placo to tho Ki^tiniutoH. I will not occupy your attention with Mio ox- [)enditure for tho years 1877-78. That 8 hofoi-o you in the Puhlio Accounts. Rut I desire to call tin* attcuit'on of the House, in tho first placo, to a fow facts with reforonco to tho oxpoiidituros for this year It will ho borno in niiml. Sir, that in tho Estimates sulmiittod by our prodt'ccshorH last year of tho income and expenditure of tli(< pivHont year, tho esti- mated income oicooded slif^'htly the esti- mated expenditure. Tho estimated expenditure in round numbers was $23,000,000. It will bo found the expen- diture of this year will exceo,UOO. Tho Supplonnntary Estimatos that I will submit to tho Ifouso in a fow days will be for Dominion Lands, $7,000; Po'sL Office Department, $20,000 ; Public Works, revenue, that is railroad, $180,000 in excess of the estimates, notwithstand- ing tho efforts that have boon made, and are being made, and will continue to be made, by tho hon. the Minister of Public Works to reduce that expenditure. For Customs, in addition to the estimates of last year, a subsequent estimate of $17,740 will be required for the oxi)onses of collecting revenue ; Mounted Police, $40,000 ; Indians under treaty arrange- ment, $44,674 ; Ocean and River Ser- vice, $19,770 ; Public Works and Build ings, $116,386; Militia (special), $20,261. This is in connection with the troubles that occurred in Montreal. The Paris Exhibition, $25,000 ; Charges of Managoiucnt, which were omitted in the RstfmktM of lait ymr, $76,000, knd N*hich was in connwtion with the r»» demption of tho dent of $7,500,000 ; Klotition «)xpviuioi, Id aiidition to thA votf that WM nUMk, 100,000 ; Peniten- tiarie.s, $12.J^00 ; Sundry Minor Kx- |M'ns«'s, $l(t,000, nutking altogether, $654,424 ; lew Public Work* revote, carried over to \m ex[ionded next year, $l63,()()0;on other services, $7R,000, making a total of $238,000, and leavinij tho su|)plenientary eHtimHt««d ex|)endU tur«>, ever and above tint estimates of last year, $41'i 124. This, a.lded to the estl- fiiat»!S, makes the total estimttt<«(| oxjM'n- dituro of $24,085,424. Kstiamted revenue for tho prrsent year, taking th« tii-st six months us our guide, and it is a very fair guide, untler ordiiuiry circum- stances, will be ^21,<>20,0(>0. Now, Mr. Chairman, it will a|)pear from the returns that will be laiil on tho table of tho House, that in tho last three or four weeks a very large sum has been collected on Customs and ICxcise. This arises from tho »n- ticipated changes ia tho tariff. Hut, taking, as pi-eviously stated, tho first six months as a criterion, tho estimated revenue will bo .J2l,62l),()00, leaving a deficiency of $2,400,000. This ia not very encouraging for the present year. Last year, as yju see by the Public Accounts, tho deficiency was between $1,100,000 and $1,200,000. Notwith- Htamli:"; all the etlbrts that havt) been made, the saving that will be nnido in tliH Agricultural Department, the saving that will be made by the Minister of Public Works in connection with tho railways, and the savings that have been made by tho removal and disnus.sal of Hupornumorary employes in the different Departments — notwithstanding all this, there will still bo a doticioncy of $2,400,000. Now, I will call the attention of tho Houso for a few moments to the Estimates of next year. .., those are before the House, I can deal more intelligently with thom and call attention to the increase and decrease under these estimates. In tho interest on the public debt, you will find that there is a very considerable increase. The increased in- terest is payable in England, in conse- quence of the last loan. Tho estimated amount for the new loan placed ill iMt yenr'ii ErtisittM whm #n04 000 ChArKCM of ManM(t««tnrnt, »Mi(i in Kng Una |«(),(K)0, letM MvinKii |6,6«M) ; toUl iriiirwuMfl in thw CJmmw of Mmmgn inmit, |A3,600. There ia iin nii.uunt, miiUr this ImwI t}i«t in |mviiliiit in cionnfotion with fh« iiMl*>ni|ificm of thn ilnht of ««,000,00(>, on fhi. l*t JumiHty n«xt, iinil thJM oorn*Mpoiiilii(l with thn it«m oniitf.'.l litnt yvuv, in n)iiiu«.lioii with th« ...|,.„i|.tioi» ot |7,ftU0,(i('U in Jikiiiiiiry liiMt. Mk. (!AI{T\VHU»HT: I um vmv •orry to ilimioncerw the hon. g«n. tlenmn, tinlfHM with hiM ptTmiH^ion. If Miy niHnioiy MnvfH m\ it nmy Inlfiimt the lIoiiHo to know cxmlly how ihiMo two heavy ihiiiKL'H on thn ihdit which he |>iti,()(K) Woi.id have to ho met, even Mhoiiiii the $860,000 eHlimated aH properly Ijehm^ing to next year'H roveniio, be phiced to tlie credit of tho current year. lie con- tinued : In my opening re-narkM, I re- ferred to tho dirtieully with which we have to gra|)plo. Wo uiuHt, if we nu'»«t the expenditure of next year, our intor- CHt, the charj(eH upon our revenue, and the necessary expenditiuo wiiich the country hns a right to expect, ask from this I!)U8o tho authority to rttceivo a revenue from tlie custoniH ef i8-J,00(),()()() more than received this jear. We have also, in arranging for the levying of that duty, to consiihu- how it can host \m imposed to encourage the industries of the country. It would he well, before I enter upon the considemtiou of this part of the (piestion to ask ourselves what an; tho circumstan- ces that have led to tho reduction of revenue und to the present deprcs,wd condition of the country 1 With reference to the reduction of the revenue, I have heard it remarked that it is strange that that reduction of late years has been so great. Perhaps there is as much prosperity here as in many other parts of tho world ; then why was there such a faliiiig oil in OUT reveaue coDipttiwd witl iiic rttvmntHi of th«» TTnltid itettf and Cirrnt ItritHin t When w«t i«xiiinln« th«t mw, w« MM'tTtMin tfn> fttet thnt nfiirly kII the revettue colliTttHl in Kn^hiud and tt IntKn |)urtion of tha n>vi«nii" of th« Unitml IHtiiti'iii in fntni «jM!«riHn dutitni, ■md, thirte'l. It in entabliithed by !oni|Mi. rutive NtutementN that the gnodN 1 fwrted into the l)ominion have t|eereuii<>d in value to the extent of 'M\ to 40 |kt cent, and the dutieit tm thoNe importii iM'ing levied hirtfelv on the ml rtjitmin principle, there Iihn be»m a falling off in the revenues of the Dominion in a con-e*. pondiim proportii a. In the pir,;HMi. tiorm I am ul>out to make, it will bo Mhown— and I state thin fact in oriler that the Houte nuiy perfectly understand th« nature and extent of those propositiona — that on many articles on which we protKMte an increase of duty, 'IT, |)er cent., levied on the value, will not bring more jwr yard than we received ovi a If) per cent, tariff in 187:J. W tir of revenue .ity in 187.3. It is important to bear this fact in mind ; l-ecause, while it may be tlumght on tho other side of the Atlantic, and by our neighboui-s, that we are increasing largely our taxation, and imposing increased duties on the products of other countrioa, it is wtdl to make it understood that, if our duties had been specitic, we should have been receiving the same amount of reveni>.> as in 1873. There are other difficulties: the volume of imports has not much diminished. Regarding the matter as I do, I think it is to be re- gretted that the volume of imports haa not been materially reduced. I look u|)on the large imports, ever since the Dominion was organ ir-d, showing a large balance of trade against it, as one of the causes of tho troubles with which wo iiuv« to contend — one of the diUicaltiss ^•* It lionr fittty, If |wwriM*, te ffimt>Aj. Thujr hitvA \>*-«n clwrrimiiig to ft wrtain MUmt, hut »r»» «till vnry Urf(n, •howin< dlntinetlr »ml cl«M4rly, In my Jiiiliimimt, th»t th«3r cMiKhl atilt to Iki fur- thnr iliminUhiHl. I kiinw thMr* bp» hon. K«f>t'«*»n«n l>"i*i •ntl i»lii«wh«irt', vr»jo •nlwrtHin th* opinion th»t tht. b«liinc« l^ctwi'wn th»< im|M)HN nnri ««|iortH ! not « cori^ct n..M|« of jiiiiniry. I knov that opinirn i« «nti'rt«inml ityhon. Kftntleni^n Op|MMit««. Hut Itut UN, juitt fur » fhW mf»ni«»nt»i. ttirn our nttrtntion to th« con- dition vhii'h KntfUncj oociipirn to-iJHT, RH comnnriwl with th»' TTnitwl HtHli«N. From lSfl7 to 1 H73. tln« SnhuK-n of trwl«> flKHinxt KnffliHul nn)ount«H|, in thn uviTajre, to XnO.Onn.noO Nterling. It. in qtiitn trim that (liffprnnrw wtvn mot hy in»i»n'«t, tho nliiH in its favour, and the doprcHsion in the other hy the larjije deficiency. Under these circumstanceH, it appears tome we should turn our attention to the hest means of redi.eing the volume of our imports fmm all parts of the world. Tjet mo refer to some circumstanceR that led to the present deproHsion in the levo- nue. During and after the war in the Uni!»d States, it is well understood that that country lost a large po»'tion of its export trade, ai.d its manufacturing indus- tries were to a certain extent paralyzed ; and it was onlv al)Out 1872 or 1873 that they really commenced to restore thoir manufacturing industries, and endeavour- ed to find an extended market elsewhere T.Tlnf M WD «tA a^tmpAA* ttint grtmi roiinlry, wt> were lookwl u[H)n a* « iltair^ uhlii murkiit for th»ir aurpluN |>rtMl'>>t% unci mir Ami^itwn n^iffhlmnm, nlwart c'>ni|Mit«>nt to iudRw of th«ir own lnt«rMit« •ind M« wi*>!y in rKfiinl tu th«n>, ptjt forth mrwrr effort to obtain aerem to our market. It U wpII known hv the term xliiughterniarket what they have hMQ doiiig for the last four or Ave yenrii In Canada ; that In «»nler to And an outlet lor their MurpluN mannfnrtureH, they have l»e«n wilting to wnd them into thia coun^'T itt any price that *oiild l»e » little )>elow that of the ranndian manu- facturer. It \n w,>|| known aiKo that thev have had their iigentn in r very part of the Dominion »<'eking purchaoers for their surplus, and that t»',*e ajrenta have l)een enabled, under our existing lawn, to enter those goo in the place oi' puirhiise. It ii* well known, moreover, thai the Unit»d States novernment, In order to encourage sprvial it.terests in that country, granted a Imuntv ufton certain manufnctureM, „nd h ^pivo to thera the exclimi-'e maikf-t of the Dominion, and, under those circumstances we have lost a \ci . important trade, itoMesned previous to 1873. In addition to the loHfi of the West India trade, 1)V the rejMml of the 10 per cent, duty on tea, we lost the dirive from thn tin|Hiitii from furtvi^ti r<(imtrt«>ii a lur^tir |M)t'ti( ii of thti #J,UO(l,0(MI w«( r«<.juin« tluui *<• .1 .11 mcatvn (rom th«) Morhi't' < 'oiitidy. I li«> licvaauch wi*l \m> Uh' < li.rt, bui 1 thiitk tlint ill iiiHlcirii^ Mtuli it i.ii< nn'iit tiin- try ihiit nwi'ivw our niitiintl prtxIuirM without liny tMXHtum, ^vitrytlung wtt h«ve to B«ni(i to h«ir — K|>Hrt from our >|H)Nir,ionM l)«>roru Dit th^^y touch nioru hvuvily thu in ^ n'tM frwt : for«d fntc. W« iiiiv«) ho|»)rtanM lo utMui oar tndt with t»i-. Hriliiih »nMibln, with Nouth AiiMTJ.a, Hnd that w« ■huuld WH-uir, if iK)iwib|i>, thfl ailmiaaion of our »in\m into rrancc* at thu aanm mtn of duty aa ia • l.argnd-ifion Hritiah-bidltkhifM. Turning tbt'ii ■ttt«nti '.h'« aubjnct, th'iy l^'"l Ilia K«M'il«»nr> Ui n|i|N)int Hir AI.XHiidnr (Jalt, on« of the ablnat atatwi. ni«'n in tho Dominion -a xtmtlomar, wh'Nia ••xpon"n.i. Ill ,, „!...» loM with tho HiianuiaiJo and comnion^o caiirot b« aur- paiwod i>y any, aa a dologata to confor with tho (iovornmi>nt of H|Htin, and with the aiithoritjoB in the Brit'sli Weat India I»tlaiulM, ami aNNOciat«Nl with him Colonel Hornanl, aa 'iNaiatant commiaaioiior. I think that this tioitae wil> atiatiin the action of tho Oovernmont in thia mv^ter. Thoaogentlonn.n wont to Mailrid, •.*.(.»» approval of tho Uritiah author . a, to make arraiigomonta with the Hpaniah Uovornment to opon up a trade with the H|»aniah VVoht Indioa. Tho iiapiia on thia :niiijuct wo would glaiily lay tiofore tliti Hoim" but kit thia timo it would not be oxpedien^ to do so. In viaiting Kngland, my colloaguoB aiitliorizod me to com- muiii aU- with tho Imperial Uovernment and aHcortain if aomo arraiigementa miglit not bo made, through their Aliniati'r in i'aria, for tho admiaHion of our ahipa at two francH |H!r ton, the aamo ah paid by th« Itritiah builder. Finding my time waa limited and that it wis neces- aary to return immediately, I atatod to tho Sccretaiy of State for tho Colonies the iiaturo of tho duties impowd ujion me by the Government. 1 asked his pi-rmission to charge Sir Alexaudor Gait with thin duty also. It was agroeil to, and he has made some progress in those negotiations. I trust Iwfore oiig to be able to submit the whole cor- rcHpondonce with reference to this matter for the information of the House. But, Sir, we des'red not only to extend our trade with those countries, wo felt that it was necessary to protect ourselves in other directions. We found, Sir, »s I stated before, that it was important to encour- age tho exportation of our manufactures to foreign countries, aad jn ure pr pared now to tiAj that the policy of the Gov- ernment is to give every nianufueturer in the Dominion of Canada a drawbuck on the duties they may pay upon goods UHed in the manufactures of the Domin- ion exported. Wo found also, Bir, as I have aiready pointed out, that under the bounty system of some foreign countries, our sugar-retining trade, and other interests, were materially affected. Well, Sir, the Government have decided to ask this House to impose countervail- ing dtities under such circumstances. I trust that this proposition will receive the support of both sides of the House, because some six months since, when the deputation of sugar refinei-s in London waited upon Mr. Gladstone and Sir Stafford Northcote, both af them being gentlemen representing Free-trade views, they declared, in the most emphatic terms, that when a Government came in and thu" interfered with the legitimate trade of t. e country they were prepared to impose countervailing duties. To make this matter plain, and place it beyond difpute, the Govemmen t propose to ask the House tor autliority to collect on all such articles an ad valorem duty, on their value iriespective of drawbacks. My col- leagues say explain it. For instance, a cent and a quarter drawback i)er pound is grar.t'd on cut nails exported to the Domiiion of Canada ; the duty will be calculated on the value of the nails, irre- spective of that drawback. Now a bounty is given on sugar in excess of the duty which is paid by the sugar refiners ; the Government will exact an ad valorem duty, on the value of that sugar irrespec- tive of the drawback. I may also state, Mr. Chairman, that another i-eason why I think our American nei:^hbours should not object to the imposition of the duties wo propose is this : It is a fact, though not generally known, that the average percentage of revenue that is imi)osed on all imports intotheDominionof Canada, at the present time, taking the returns lor last year as our criterion is 13| per cent. The amount of duty collected on the imports from Great Britain is a fraction under 17| per cent. ; while the amount of duty collected on the imports froiii the t-' iiitcu otates ' ?, a iraction under 10 per cent. If our friends across the border will not give us the Recipro- city Treaty again, they cannot find any- tliing to'objoct Ho in the imposition" of these duties, if they bear a little mora heavily on the articles imported fmm that country than they desire. When I state that the imports entered for con- sumption from Great Britain amounted in 1878 to $37,431,000, and in 1873 to $03,000,000, or nearly double ; the im- ports in 1877 S from the United States were $48,631,739. and for 1873-'4 $54,283,07*3, it will be seen there has been a slight falling-off; while, from England, it has Ijeen about one-half, under the operation of the present tariff. But, Sir, the House is more interested in the nature of the proposals wp are about to submit than in the statements I have just made. Before I come to that, Sir, it is the first opportunity that has been afforded me of saying a few words to my hon. friend my immediate predecessor. I know this subject is not of such importance as to justify me, at this time, in occupying niiich of the time of the House, but I must take this opportunity of thanking my hon. fi-iend the member for Cumber- laud, who, in my absence, so eloquently defended my policy of 1873, who so ably met the statements made by my hon. predecessor. I recollect that, on a similar occasion, perhaps the first in which he bad addressed the House as Finance Minister, he regretted that there had not been on the floor of the House a gentle- man who had been a Finance Minister belonging to the other side. I felt, Sir, after readin., the speech of my hon. friend from Cumberland (Mr. Tu))per), that if it had been in the j)ower of my hon. friend from Centi-e Huron (Mr. Cartwright) to have translated my hon. friend to Fredericton, and brought me back, he would have willingly made the exchange. I think so. But what did my hon. friend (Mr. Cartwright) do when he visited my constituents last sum- mer 1 He, no doubt, desired to enlighten them. But I may be pardoned in say- ing I judged that one of his objects was to secure the defeat of some of the candi- dates, ra^ self amongst the nimiber. I recollect that he referi-ed to the fact — and he .s]ioke of it as my crowning offence — that 1. as Fiaanee Miuisitcr, in 1873, had brought uown Supplementary Esti- mates $800,000 or $900,000 in excess of the estimated receipts. I recollect the manner in whicli ho dwelt upon this; the ■trong way in which ho endeavou'-eil to impreaa on the minil of my constituencf what u ^roat offender I had been, amJ that thifl was iry crowning offence. Sir, he might have told that immense gather- ing that I, at the time, stated that the fistimates wJ who lave u riglit to expect it. I fear that I may weary tho ]):iticuce of the Jloiiso, but really the importaiico of the subject ia «uch tha), if I am tediaua, you will pardon rue, for I de.siro to bo hh clear as poss'ible. The tariif i« ia a somewhat voluminous form, and I can only give extracts from it in order to show the general changus wo liavo made. Si.ll, I have classed them under different heads in order the more intelligently to explain it to the liouse, and I exi>ect that to-morrow morning hon. members will have tho resolutions in printed form. Mr. MACKENZIE : AVe shall keep very quiet. iln. TILLEY : T hope you will. I propose to deal lirst with cotton goods, and I may say here, before reading the Bchedulo I have Ixjfore me, that the prin- ciple tho Government has adopted with respect to many of these articles, is this : That where there are certain gi-adea or descriptions of manufactures, the policy of the CJovernment is this : To select for a higher rate of duty those that are man\i- factured, or can be manufactured, in tho country, and to leave those that are not made in tho country, or likely to bo made in the country, — such as printed cot- tons, — at a lower rate of duty. It is dilEcult, in some descriptions of goods, to do here, and cert,ain portions that are not made hero, and a li'.ie can be clearly and distinctly di-awn. Tho proposition of the Government with reference to these goods, is as follows : — Cotton wool, cotton waste, free ; and 1 may state, for tho ir.forniation of hon. men)bers, they must not suj)|t0He that the free goods named hero are all that are in the list ; but, in order to bring it intelli- gently under the particular class of which 1 am speaking, where a pu'tlon is free and a portion paying duty, I introduce the free goods with that list, but it is eeparate and distinct by itself. Bleached or luibleaclied cottons, sheetings, drills, ticks, cotton and Canton flannel.?, nob stained or printed, one cent, per sijuare yard, and i.j per cent, ad valornm. Now upon the question of under-valua- tion I .'Jiay say a few words. One of tho great diflicnlticH that was pointed out to tho Government by every delegation waa tho unuer-valuatiop of goods, and I timy Ktate hero that tho Govern- ment will ask you for a, vote of money to enable them to overcome thia ditliculty, and they will also ask yon for power and authority, Ruch as the United Htates lias, and exercises to-tlay, to fix through their officers, tho valuo of the goods in t.io country from whence they are imported. The great difficulty I have pointed out is stated on all hands ; it makes but little difference what the rate of duty you impose, unless you prevent tho under valuation. Now, wa l)ropooe a])pointing additional officora, whose specijil business it will bo to ascertain, in the different coun- tries, what the value of tho gocds are in that country or the city from whence they are imi)orted| and to impose the duty on those values, and to collect them. But, notwithstanding that, there will be a difficulty, and to obviate that difliculty, and to reach certain special classes of goods, it has l)een considered desirable, v.'ith these par- ticuhir industries, to place on them, both a s[)ecific and ad valorem duty. Under these circumstances, we have decided that, in resijcct to this class of goods, Ic. iwr yard, and in per cent, ad valorem should be imposed. On all cotton sheeting, drill- ings, bed-tiekings, plaids, cotton and Canton flsinnels, tickings and drills, dyed or coloured, pantaloon stuff and goods of that description. 2c. per square yard, and 15 per cent, ad valorem. These are articles, tho value of which is well k..own in the trade, and wo impose si)eciiic and ad vidorem duties. Mu. MACKENZIE : Can the hon. gentleman give us tho values of thosa two classes ] Mr TILLEY : I have the ratea here, and shall be able to inform the House when wo come to them. On all cotton batting, wai'ps, carpetings, knitting cotton, and ot'ier cotton yarns, under No. 40, not bleached, dyed or coloured, 2c. per yard, and 15 per cent. uaI valorem ; on tho same, if bleaclied, dyed or coloured, 3o. per pound, and 1.') per cent, ad valorem; on cotton warp, on denims, lo, per yard, and 15 per cent, ad J I you coun- I gocda y from , and lea, Olid banding and to reach I, it hua eso par- II, both if So. vaiorem; on cotton bigH, L'c. jicr poiiiul, and 15 |»or cent. «,/ valorem ; on •cotton Khirts and (Irawcra, woven or niotlo witli cotton, 30 i)or cent, ad mlo- r«m ; cotton sewing tLreadH, ll!.V ner cont. ; on sjjooIh, 20 jwr cent. ; on ,ill «k)thln.^» wado witlj cotton, or of whicJi cotton is a component part, 30 per cent. ; on all nmnufacturos of cotton, not clsewlioro KiK-citicd, and wLich come mainly from England, and wliicli wo do ncc nu>ke in this country, 20 per cent. I may stjite here, at the outset, tl)at it Is the intention of the; Goverum'ent to in- crease the 17i per cent, list, aa a whole, to 20 per cent., being goods that Will yi(.ld, notwithstanding the articles tliat uro taken out of the !ist, an increa.so of, jierhaps, %':750,00O out of the $2,000,000 required. We now come to silk.i : Silks, raw, or, if reeled from the cocoon, not inanufacturtKl from bilk yarns, l."i per c(ml. ad valvrem; sewing silk and .alk twist, 25 per cent.; on silk velvets and manufactures, of whidi Gilk is a component part, not elsewliore speciiied, ZO per cent, ad valorem. Ne.xt in tlie list are leather manuf^ictures : On sole leather, tanned or rough and uadre^.ied, and on morocco, 10 per cent, ad valorem; on sole and toclting l(>ather, tanned, and on all upper leatJier, not otiiorwiso specified, 15 j)er cent «eeih(.-a, 25 per «!ut. ad vwhwem ; on Btone, rougl), freestone, sandstone and other stones, excepting marble, per ton ot 13 cubic feet, $1 ; on curb stone, in the rough, |1.50 per ton; on water Itniestono, $1 per fon ; on dr.;K3ed free- stone, building stono and all manufac- tures of stone, 20 p(,-r cent, ad valorem; slate for roofing or slate-slabs, Kfpiuroand not specially staU'd, 20 {xsr cent, ad vol- orem ; scIuhjI and writing slates, 25 per cent. ; slate mantels, .30 per cent. ; brickn for l.iiihling, 20 per cent. ; fire bricks or tiles for stoves and ftrnaces, 20 percent.; hydraulic or water lime, ground, includ- ing barrels, 40 eente per barrel ; lloman cement, 20 )ier cent, ad valorem ; drain pi{)es, 20 per cent., ad valorem. Now I eonie to another item that i.s, in some re- spects, in the same position as cotton goods, that is, et-itlienware and stone- ware, brown and coloured, and Rocking- ham waie. That is an article made ex- tensively in tlie Dominion of Canada. It is a coarse ware, but is manufactured extensively iu this country, and all we require can be produced in the Dominion. It is projmsed to eelect those articles that wo can produce, and to impose a duty of 25 per cent, en earthenware and stoneware, and on O.C.- ware, an ad valorem duty of 30 jTer cent., wliile all otiier cliina and porce- lain, and imports of that kind, come under the ctitegory of uiienumerated arti- cl(;s at 20 [ler cent. Gypsu.n, nnground, free ; gypsum, or plaster of Pari.^, ground, 20 {)er cent, ad valorem. Now I come to cx)al and We propo.se that anthracite should pay a duty of 50c. ton ; bituminous coal, 60c, per coke, coal per ton and coke, 50c. per ton—meaning » short ton of 2,000 pound.s. In deal- ing with tliis matter, the Govern- menC had to consider wliat, in tlieir judgment, would give barely the market of the Dominion to the coal deposits of Nova Scotia, because tliey are' jjiinci- pally there. We know that, upon this subject, there has bwiu some conflict of opinion ; but the judg.iient of the Gov- ern.nent is that, while th^ uA'erage im- port of coal into the Don,inion of Canada during the last few years has been from 800,000 to i)00,000 tons, and while the anthracite coal will continue to be largely imported, the Nova Scotia co.al will take the place of a i)art of it. In the estimates of the Government, out of the 800,000 or 900,000 tons now imi>orted probably there will still be 350,000 tou^ of anthracite, and perhaps 150,000 tons I 13 of bituiianoiis Htill importod, giving to tho Nova ticotiii coul tlio bulanco of 400,000 tons, with, of course, an adtli tic nal output, if, us wo exjHJct, our {)olicy is suecesaful, in conncquence of an increased «l,'>mand for coal to supply tlio growing mai ufactures of tlie country. I'ho next clans of articles proposed to l)o dealt with is bojks, pajwrs and manufac- tures of paj)er. We experienced some dilhc\ilty in deuling with this item, and we called to bjectionable and inferior books, where intellect has made the book valuable, a duty should not be placed upon the intellect, but the duty should bo coUectsd simply upon the value of the labour and the pa[)er. Upon British copyrighted books 6c. per pound and 12^ per cent, ml valorem, On bibles, prayer-books, vr cent. Musical itiHtrumonts : Organs with not, over two Hots of whiIh, a npccilio duty of $10 ; witli mora than two Hotsandnot moro than four, $15; with more than four and not inoro than Hix «ct«, $-0 ; all havinj^ ov«'r six sots of reeds, $'M), and in addition thonito 10 per cent, ad valorem on the fair market VaUie; Hquare jiianofortes, havinj^ not over Hcvcn octaves, $25 ; upright jtiaiiofortoH, $30 ; eoncflrt or grand pianofortes, $50, in aplication of heat from petroleum, whioh a|»|)ear8 to remove some of the difficuIticH that have been experienced in producing good imn be- fore, inasmuch as it removes the phon- jihorus and sulphur whioh rondereni('nt to this manufacture, or its production, have these industrien springing up all over tho Dominion and jiroducing tho most beneficial results. We find in every country, no matter what count>-y it is — take England for in- stance, take France or any other countrj that has risen to any position of wealth and commercial greatness — and you will find the iron interest is one of the most important of that country. I would also instance the United States. It may safely be said that it is the basis of every other industry. It is true we have not developed it to a great extent yet. Wo liuvo one establishment at present in oi)eration in Nova Scotia, but it will only produce one fourth of our present consumption. There is no rea- son why we should not supply the whole of tho trade in time. There is a great diversity of opinion as to how this pro- tection is to be afforded. It is now pro- posed to place a duty of $2 per ton on pig iron ; old and scrap, in blooms, slabs, hoops or billets, 12^ per cent, ad valorem ; in bars, rolled or hanmiered, including flats, rounds and squares, band and hoop, sheet, smoothed or polished, cjated or galvanized, and common or black, boiler and other plate, Canada plates or squares, nail and spike rods, and all other iron not otherwise lierein provided for, 17^ per cent, ad valorem ; on rolled round wire rods in coil, under half-inch in diameter, 10 per cent, ad valorem, ; on iron rails or rail- way bars for railways or tramways, 15 per cent, ad valorem; on railway fish plates, frogs, frog points, chairsand finger Oj - > ;; I ^tri.«. ..,., ,„.,,.....,.., ^ ,,,, -rOti and steel wii-e, not over No. 18 wire gauge, 25 per cent, ad valorem ; on tin l)liites, 10 i»er cent, ad valorem ; on cast- 14 lagH in (ho rough, 20 (wi- c»int. nj vnl- orarn ; on Htovi^d iiiui otiier finiMhtd oaHtin;,'H, LT) por c;Mit. ml val- orem; or car wlifols, LT) per cont. ad vafnrem ; on uull iioiis and niill oranltH, an.s ot •tool, or r{<'SHfmer in tho rouf,'l), 10 |.t cent, (id vd/oiein ; HoanileHH hoii.T tubin", drawn, 10 per cent, ud valorem ; on bed- Bteads and other iron furnitnre, and orna mentjil iron work, 25 ])cv cent, ad val- orem ; on hollow waro tinned, jjlazod or enunicUod, of cast or wronrrlit iron, 25 per cent, ad valorem ; on hanlware, viz. : buildcra', cabinet-makers', uphoisten is', carriagoniakers', gitddlcrs' and nnder- takers', 30 per cont. ad valorem.; bolta, nnts, washers and rivets, 30 per cent, ad valorem; tacks] bra, and in ingots, pigs piiites, littis, nxls, bolts, win-, aiul in slieets not pliniahed or coated, and for sheathing, 10 per cent, nd valorem- seamless tubing, drawn, 10 j)er cent. ad valorem ; rivets and liurrs, 30 per cent, ad valm-eni ; on all manufactures of cojjper, not otherwise herein jaovidod for, 30 per cont. ad valorem.; wire of brass or eopjier, 10 ptr cent, ail valorem; wire cloth, of brass or copper, 20 per cGwt. ad valorem ; brass, old and scrap,, and in bar,", bolts and sheets, rounder flit wire, Keandess diawn tubing, and tubing plain and faney, unfinished, 10 per cent, ad valorem ; on manufacturea of brass, not otherwise herein provided for, 30 jier cent, ad valorem ; church bells, free; yellow metal, in bolts, bars an4 for shoathing, free ; phosphor-bronzo, ia i)loeks, bars, shoots and wire, 10 per cent. ad valorem ; lead, old and .scrap, in pigs, blocks, bars and sheets, 10 per cent. ad valorem ; lead pipe, 20 por cent, ud valorem; load shot, 20 per cent, ad val- orem; all other manufactures of lead, not otherwise herein provided, 25 [lor cent, ad valorem; tin, in blocks, pigu and bars, and in plates and sheets, 10 per cent, ad v-dorem ; on tinware and japanned waro, and on stanii)ed ware, 25 per cent, ad val- orem ; zinc, in pigs, blocks and sheets, and on seamless-drawn tubing, 10 j»cr cent, ad valorem ; on manufactures of not elsewhere specified, 25 per cent. ai()[)<)sitioii for tlio con- iiidonilioii of tliiH Ifoiise, thut tho duty la tf) bo in)|K)Mi!d ko uh to «nconriir^o tho manuractiiro of tlii) coarwir dcMoription of woollcMH and lilimkciH in tlio Doini.iioii, Wo hiivc, nt the ureRont tiin«', a liirj;o product of wool shut out praeticailv of tho Amnvioaii nia'kot, or Hold thoro at a v»;ry low prioo on aoroiuit of tho liitdi duty inipoHtnl. TIio Uovcinniont Mt if th«y foidd Hocuro ii r^'iidy and f,"5od homo niiukct for this im|)oi-tant product, thoy worn bound to do it, and they ask tho IIouHo to HUHtuin thoin in this pro- position. Wool, nnmanufacturwl, liuir of the alpaca, goat and othor likoaninials, and wool waHto, free ; on inanufacturcH oonipoHod wholly or in part of wool, worscud, tho hair of tho alpaca, goat, or other liko animalH, viz : — Whawlw, blan- kots and Hunneis of every dcHcriptiou ; olothH, ilocskiuH, cassiniercH, twcods, coatingH, overcoatings, cloukingH, felt cloth of every description, hor.se-collar cloth, yarn, knitting-yarn, fingering- yarn, wonlndyarn, under number 30, knitt'd goods, viz. shiits, drawers, and honiory of every dn- Bcription, 7^c. per pound, and, in addition theivto, 20 per cent, ad valo- rem ; on clothing, ready-made, and wear- ing apparel of every descri|)tion, com- posed wliolly or in part of wool, woisted, the hair of tho alpaca, goat, or other liko animals, mado up or manufactured, wholly or in part, by the tailor, seamstrer-is or manufacturer, cxceiU knit goodn, 10c. per pound, and, in addition tli(!r<-to, 'JO por cent, ml valorem ; on all manufac- tures composed, wliolly or in part, of wool, worsted, the hair of tho alpaca, goat, or other lihj animals, not hei-ein otherwise provided for, 20 per cent, ad valorem; on treble ingrain, thret.'-ply and two-ply carpets, composed wholly of wool, lOo. per square yard, and, in addi- tion thereto, 20 per cent, ud valorem ; on two-ply and three-ply ingrain carpets, of which tho warp is composed wholly of cotton, Oc. i)er square yard, and in addi- tion thereto, 20 per ctjnt. ad valorem ; oil cloth for floors, Btiimjjed, painted or printed, 25 per cent, ud valorem ; jute, aumanufautuied, free, and jnt<» bails, jute, manufactures of 20 per cent, ad valorem ; flajT, fibre, scutclied, le. per pound ; flax. flbro, hacklwl, 2o. [mr [lound ; flax tow, Hcut(!he(l or green, Je. per pound. Bread- Nt'drs: viz., barley. If).-, per bushel; buckwheat, lOo. i)er bushel ; Indian corn, 7^0. per \\\\.A\<\ ; oats, jOe. per bushel; rye, lOe. per busliel ; wheat, 150. [ler bushel; peas, l(!o. per bushel; Ix-ans, Ifte. per bushel ; buck wheat, weal and flour, |e. ]ior pound ; Indian meal, 40i!. )ior barrel ; oat mcul, ^e. per pound ; rye flour, ftOc. per barrel ;" wheat flour, 60c, per barnd ; rice, le. por poiuvl ; i-ico ami sago flour, 2e. per pound ; barley malt, 2o. per pound ; flax Ht-ed, lOe. per bushel. l)airy produce — IJutter, 4e. [ler pound ; cheese, 3c. per pound. It is proposed to iniposo 40e. per barrel onnpples; th"y now pay 10 per cent. t)n e(aid)i'rries, plums and quinces, 30e. per bushel ; poaches, 40o. per b.shol ; cherries and currants, lo. per quart ; goosel terries, filberts, ras|)l>errics nncl strawberries, 2c. jier quart; grajtos, Ic. per pound ; hops, Gc. per pound, instead of 5c. ; honey., 3e. yox pound. Meats- fresh or salted, on tho actual weight ni» received in Canada, le. j)er pound. At present the duty is collected on 185 pounds to tlio barrel in the United States, whi(;h, when it readies here, tiy tho effect of tho salting, weighs ui)t.o 200' poimds. Tho duty now, therefore, ac- cording to tho old tari/r weight, will b(» Ic. per pound ; bacon and hams, 2c. per ])Ound ; meats not elsewhere snecitied, 2c. per pound. On lard, which' is now eliarged at ono cent, it is proposed to make tho duty Ue. per pound; tried lard, 2c. instead of Ic. ; trees, slirubs, 20|>er cent ; seeds for field and garden, 15 percent. Seed in small pa])or pa reels— there isa largo quantity brought from the United States put up in small papers at vast labour, the paper for which wo tav 20 per cent, and printingin same proportion it is proposed t« place them under a tarirt of 25 per cent; potatoes, lOc. per bushel ; tomatoes, 30c. per bushel. All otlier vegetables now 10 per «cut. 20 pel- cent ml valorem. Manures, of all kinds, free. We now como to the proposition in regard to .spirits and wines. Spirits and strong waters not havinw been sweetened or mixed with any article^ so tliat the degree of strength thereof cannot be ascertained by Sykes' hydrom- eter, and so on in proportion for an/ 10 greater ur Ixu HtreiiKth thiui pt-uui, uml for every grt'Htor or \vhu quiintity Uiaii » gallon, viz : — Alcuhul, nim, whinki-y, Geneva f{iii hikI uiioniiiii<>riitriiil ^MiHon, iiwU'iul of $l.'20. OI>jet;tii)ii was takfii t-o tho proi>oHitiun niiwlo l>y my lion, prcdo- cessor, txj nmko tli« incrciiMn on bniiidy per gallon the Hume iih on K>n and wlimky, it IH now propoMtHi that brandy hIiuII bo increaHod '25i'., or ijl.tf) [Mir gallon ; and that old Tuin gin b« charged $1..'(2.^ per gallcu. I may hoi'ti Htate that tho" pro (tOHitiun which tho Government will Hubmit with ref'oronc(» to tlio cxciso, in an increaHO of lOtr. p«!r gallon on exci8n fipiritH, leaving tobacco wIuto it i« at prt'Hont, except the Canada twist, made from Canadian leaf, which will bo ri'duccd from 10c. to 4c. per pound. Jt wa.s Hnggested to the Gov(!rmn»uit that this might Iks met in another way, by imposing a small «luty on the imported leaf, in addition to tho excise duty ; but in the United States they have reduced tho excise duty OQ tobacco to 1 Gc. If we pro|)oso to in- ureuBe ours beyond 20c. it would encour age smuggling, and we would lose legiti- mate business and revenue. It was decided not to impose an additional duty upon the imported tobacco leaf, but to meet it in this way, reducing the tobacco manufacture from the loaf of our own growth to 4c, per pound. A rt^solutio i will bo submitted to reduce the duty on malt from 2c. to Ic. per j)ound. It is estimated that the increased 10c. a gal- lon on spirits will give over and above what we lose on malt, $100,000 additional excise duty. The (Jovernmeni consid- ered that it would be wise to encourage, if stimulants are to bo used at all, the use of malt litjviorH in preference to spirits. Sjtlrits and strong waters sweet- ened or mixed, so that the degree of strength cannot be ascertained, namely, rum, shrub, cordials, er cent, ig over a addition, ted under more than by Sykes' for duty, Wines ng winfiB, Cin, strav- ind cur- per cent. Btrengtli , iiupurtcd [iiort and o contain Imperisal gallon, nnil W pir nnt. nt ittlorein. Whs'n ciiiilaiiiing over 'JG pr '•out. and not«t\ii' lU |NT emit. 4t)c. |kt Imperial );!illon ; when contiuiiing over 31 and not «iver .'Ml per cent., ftBc. per Imperial pt' Ion ; when containing over 'M\ and not over 40 |>er cent., 70c. per Imperial gallon, and in addition tu tho altovo niHscilir duty, :10 jwr rent, nil vaUrrfin. Malt liipu)rH, whiiu import4>d in iKit- ilt'B, nix (puiitM and twelve |»iut Init- ilestoconHtitutuan lm|K>rial gallon, «'ili be charge«l 18c. jn-r gallon. VVIien im- ported in canliH or otherwiso than in liot- lIcH, lOe. per lmp(*rial gillon. OIIh, lard, 20 per cent, ail vnhyrnn ; lioHeed or fhiXHOcd, 2^ per. cent. ; iieatHfoot, 'JO per cent.; tidlow, per pound, one cent. After Recess. Mk. TIIjLKY remnned his remarks, Haying: At six o'clock I wan proceeding 10 explain the propoHitionn which the < Jo v- «Tnment propoHo to Huhmit to tho con- «ideration of the House. I take up the ttnbject whore 1 left off. The next arH- ont $11. The repres»mtativeI, | c.ru ; yfllow, cuitiltt, mil! wliit*», |)fiifi?iriit«'r «'.'ut. ad mtortiii, ; sJan li, Innliiilin^ f.uirui coki nUnh tir (lour, «ml 111! |iiii|>,eiiiti(>iM i.f, 'J r. jmh- iminiil, M A* inHttfiir ; mmhij'o |*..r ii'ii|w, |()|i<>r o«nt. ; for ull oUu-r |)iir|MmtH iniumli c-tiui-d in H,r Doiuinioii, RUoiti'tiii«'H, rniiul to tho duty |wi rejjar.icd like »il| othor urticli's oxportod, hII (liitifH hf.iiii^ ri'tii;ncd to th(« hnildfr An Itov. MKMBKl{: WJmt h.\^>^ of ahi|i.s? _ Mil. Tir.r.KY : All sizes and descrip- tiouH. This extends to all parts of the Dominion. Wo pioposo 10 per cent, duty on all foieijru vessels seek inj; rPjfiH- trHtioit in tho Dominion. Ah regards tiif> piopose.l duty on Ht:n;ur and molasses, if 1 (xrupv the att^MUion of tho Houso for u few TiionientH, I am sum yon will pardon nu), for it is ono of the most diliieult que.stions with which any Uovemment can possihiy ha\o to deal. We know tiioro has heeii great dissatisfaction in the United Htattis ad to the mode of levyinij the duty thero ; it ha.-i l.een pnie'y Bpccific, levied upon Dutch sUindard, tw«) doljara and (ivo cents for all lielow numher sovon, till it reached a duty of livo centH per jiound wpecilie. Dissalisf action arising fioni (hat system has been ajipaivnt in that country. Notwitiistanding that, bov- «ral eommission.s havo been ap- jK)intev>ing the iliity Ikim been «uide. Thern m-ems no probability of their arriving mI any other emicluNit/n (hnii u niM'cMtlo duly. I will Hiiy, lor the Inforinntlon of hon. meiubcrH who may not |iuv« Htudi-d this .puKlion, that (ho riUo of duty iuipoM-d in tho Unitctl KtatoH in under thn Duteh dtandaril. From No. 7 down they pay the lowent duty. It '""* ' « f 'iiiid the vniy bent,— ulmodt pure Hiigar, amounting to 90 per cent., or even above that, had I u admitted at » h)W rate of duty. Under these eireum- Htanees (he rcJin. r would recive a draw- back «»f three »loll:".s per 100 lb.H. on which he had paid but *li.I.1. Thi» piiiieipleof Kpocilicduty is found to work ihjmioiisly iu many reNjMCtM, but Htilk ('oiigiess has not repeab'd or changfil it, Theio have been very strong argument* "Had iu that coiintiy in favour of ml valorfin duly, and iu the Dominion lul well. 1 do not hesit.jao to Hiiy that many of tiie argumentH am most cogent in many respects. Mr. \\\'\U takes tho line that the ml lahtrvni principle is tho proper ono. I may say that, alter invoH- tigating thi.s matter, if you adopt tim ad valorem duty at all, it can best bo done in «h" manner which wo pioposo to do it in this ciist*. There is a uudo in V. hich you can l»'Mt certain claHscH of sugar by imaiis of an instrument, tho pulari- Kco|H'. It is ii.sed satisfactorily for the purpose of teii ing all the classeH of sugar below number !», or in fai;t below number 1.3, especially the low class of sugar, but fails when applied to the yellow relined sugars hugely niixed with glucoHO. (jentlcmen who were interested in the importing ef (hut class of .sugar wore in favour of nd valorem duties. I might Kay if they appli.«d o.d valorem iluties solely they would iitul that the vW'st India sugar of .v bright good charac- ter, would be met by this yellow relined (ulultciated article, in appoaninco better than tho WeH„ Jadia sugiirs. Under these ciicu instances, seeing the ditliculty on both sidcM i-.lu. .Ii'ik.m.u.. :_ ; .• ._ iispcilio duty, and the dilticulty in aj)- pl} "le ad valorem principle," tho lat- t» k» irpurt on il t'lnl>wiNt«» itliNtiuitliiiK ■••••(•niljr he- >'« to tliia •I nitxiii «if '!<'. TliiTo ai'iivitig h6 a •tJH'cilio iiinittlon of not lmv« tlio into of I KtiitoH iir From No. «Iuty. U it,— ultnost ioi'c«Mit.,or lilti'd at » ivi> II (|rnw« DO 1I,H. on .15. Till* ml to work , l)\v roliiiL'cl !i,'luCOHO. estcd in ii,'iir woro liitioM. I ■ valorem that the jil flmmc- w rctincd ICO hettei Under difficulty iiiipOSiQg ty in ap- I, tlio iat- iitr hnvJMK, I ndmit, Homn iiihiiutiixn, _ •till, lixdiitg that tlmt ikrtiulo (unm innnd «om|u>trd Nti('ct>N«fiilly with our ini|K>r- tatiuu of |{orton« of mij^ar and n»(Iiuht tinio thn hi{Jin»'ni wnrn anxioiiM to continuo It *t No, i;l, whiUt tim iiiiporl«'rH di'xircd it at a liltto hiK'lu>r. Wo hiivtf niado a uonipniiniHo Mid put it nt No. M. On all nugar ahovo No. 1 (, Dutch Htandard in colutn-, lo. per pouml, »nd :tri piT cfMit. (ill va/ormn. Th»t fovcn-il all n^finrd Hupir. On iniKur equal to No. 0, And not htilow No. 14, tliioflrpiarlorH of u cent. rir pound, and JJO jK'r ccr.t. ml mlorein. call atli'ution to the fitct that tho dif- forenco to tho rolinoisj ih fi per cant., tliHt all below No. U have an W v.tlorfin duty of .10 per ci'iit., and all abovo No. 11 an ad vnt. On hugar Ih.Iow No, 0, half tt cent, per pound, and ;!() |mm' 0(-nt (III viilurein, provided that the ml 9aloretn duty nhall he lovieil andcolloctod on sugar and nielado, when iui|H)rt4!d direct from tlio country «»f growth and production, ufiun tho fair market value thereof, at the i)laee of piirchaae, w'th- out any addition for tho cost of liogH- heads, or other pack.-igcH or chargcia, not including exjwrt duty, and expeuHe.s prior to Hhipuiont ; anything contaimul in section 34 of tho Act 40th Vic , chap, 10, to tho contrary notwithstanding. It meana this, that all Hugar inn>orteddirect from tho West Indie.s to the Dominion ahall piiv no duty upon packages and onlinary chargoH. Wo ha\(- addi-d 11 vet per cent, to thn pro,sont duty of 25 per cent. Sugar, not imported direct, will pay a duty on th«3 packages, giving additional eucour- ugen)ont to our direct West India trade, Syrupa, cane juice, rotineil gyrup, sugar- house Hyriip, syruj) of sugar, syrup of inolansos or sorghum, five-eighths of Ic, jwr pound ad valorem. Melado, coucen- 'uMiiCU niciaiio, coiiotttitialeii cano juice, concentrated tnohiasea, concentrated beet- root Ju!c««, nnit hmt y^ar, m nhown in tho r«turu» made, that thU altering of tlo duties will yield |J()0,()()() |..,„ t|,(„ umler tho eKinling taiilf, through having the duty on |Mickage»t ren>ltt.!d. Mnlimm, if umd for rellning, clarifying ir rectify. ing pur|rt)Ho prei>ared, from tho statements I made in the early |iart of tho day, to hear that tho (•overnment pro- pose to tt.sk Parliament to reimpose a duty of 10 per cent, on tea coming from tho United States, I nuvy ho pardoned for saying that I think it was a great mis- take on tiio part of my prednces.sor in standing so firmly and refusing to re-im- poiso itiis aiiditional ciuty on tea^ and 1 hcliovo that this llou,so i? prepared for a I 30 ot iliMt tlfltWen. It u Dtir Islatttioii U) anIc IVNrliMB«iit to n^im\Hmn • IpKiilii) Hiul rir/ miottm (tii»y, iiiati'iKl uf tlM Bw c>(ilU>«tilii« k, tutti 'da. on );ri>t'ti uikI .Fuiutn, uixl III |iit •nit. «.(/ ittliirrm. Tim ri'Mtilt of uiii' policy in lliitt frt'rtiti', ?o Noiiif cxttat, tin- t«iiiii>, i(,iy |l(ll>,(l(l(>, tu (lio v,mt of tlif till, wltfii itii|ioiti><| ilirirf, In Ii>nh tliitii if iHiiiKlit in Nt'W York. Cipflti', Knitii, ".'«•. |M>r |ioimil ; ro.ihtc.l or unmiul, kimI iill iiiiieu tioim oraiul nuUtitiiUH for, ',U\ |»i>r |M»iirul. i'ocott |«w(t« eiiulfliix-oliiti', luitHWirotfiii'il, UO jHir cc'tit. till vitltirrin ; nnoii \u\hU<, chofoliit«>, iiiiii oilier iiU'i'iuatiouH of <'ufoa. wlii'ii v-oiitiiiriiii^ Noj^iir, Ic. tMr ci'rit «»/ vulorem. Now, Mr. Chiiiriimn, f Iihvi' not taken »ij» t'ViTV iirtii'ht on wliji-li w»' iiropoxo to ciamjjo tlio riiui of dnly. una, in onli-r timt tlio Hon o and tlio country nmy not Ik( Ii'd iiMtruy, I hlmli read tiio frro list, lu'cuHNc, nnl<>HN I do ho, it may l.o HU|i|ioHm«>nt of utin-k ; uncrer ; antimony ; aMlu-M, pot, |>« uri and Modii ;a|)|>artl, wciuing and tttiu-r appaicl, or liouHolioiil j'fl«ctM, not n»'rchan ,;'o!daferclin, cut-gut HtringH for rauHicul in.strumcntH, citrons and rinds for candy ; clothing, lieingdonatioiiR for charit4iblo pur|)0Hea ; coin.s, gold and silver, eicept United States Kilvcr coin ; communion plate, cotton waste and cotton wool ; diamonds unset, including black iliamom's ; «lyeing or tinting articles >n a ci'iuttf Htitte ; t-asms, grus." und pulp for tho Dianufacture oi' paper, vegetable ilbro for manufacturing purpcses, (ish- Uiit, ftuli iiook«, linM, flMltin({ tackUi, giiming nmi, |{u!tl ti<«t«ni' moulda, gnat* and K''*^''* Wl^tl > f*"^ ■" "'illtotttrlM t>in|NMiM; gnveU, guan<> .hhi otN? Ul^ Uisil or vegi table ii anurett, gum*, gum arabie, hendtwk Uuk, iiem|) undr<>HN<<«i, IddeM mw, horwit liair, imiia rubU>r, imlign, iMinglikMit, glue, ivory, iron muNtN for Nhi|>N or bargiH, iron cablen and cliainn r\er one liali inch tn length, Nhackteii or unNhiK-kled ; jute, lii|uorti«, riM)tN, lenionn and linds of lemoni for candying ; log* roinid, and unmanufactu;'i'd tin.ber not otherwise provided for ; lumber, plank and b'lards sawn, or Inu wood, p Ui\\ pine , HpaiiiHli cedar, oak, hickory and white W(M>i) not shaped, planed or other- wiK4f manufailurcd , lo<^oiuotivcH, fmawn ,1'rV baggage pasjdng from one countrj into nnotiter, manilla graxs, mica, minenU specimens, uuhIcIs of invention and other improvements in the arts \ Iceland mosa, lioisoH, cattle, carriages, harness, under regnlations to be provided liy tlio Mini» ter of Customs; nutchinery for worstoU ami ottiMi mills of kinds that am not manufactured in Canada, ('rhere is aa exci'ption made in this case, becauHO we ha\e no cotton nuuhinery in lli« country, and not likely to have ; therefore, la order to encourage thii* industry, it in profHised to ;uako them fr lllllllCMNt'ti, l»>»«'r, iiiiliffo, llliMtM for firi'"« ; l«»K" tin.U'r not iiImt, pliuilr wooil, p UiU hickory iiiiii ;ired, for iditions of « and other H bft^gage , vcrdigrie, ilebono nn- iiHtc in the I'Ht landed ; on all tbn J 1 «4i*ft{(<« wn I ritiMwn to miik«>, and tlioy • i.l li«ifi»rnhtlly rtHnl, no donht, fViiio thi* (UiMr, IhiI I hitvM di>iiU with thn Urgnr «iiii Miorn itn|)(»rt«nt un*Hi. It »p|MtAiii to R>«, Mr. CMMirni*D, und t Uiiiik ihn lliMiHH will Hiirm with tm, thMttho (lovcrnnirnthnvrf «!nd»tivoimH|,— wliolhcr Hiui'i!n»(fully or not to 0*1 ry out, lliM policy tlint wi« wcru |dod)(«*rfy d«» pri'NMod cimdition. Wo Iihvo oi; Icuvourcd not to injun.' tho lunilHir intcrcnl, bccnuMn Uioy now havtt a vory impot-tiuit urticli' UMiHition iji aim) to )m) Hubmitted In thu 1 Iouhv, which you will find in the KHtimateH to extend a tole;4niph down tlie St. Liiwronce. 'I'hiM propoaitioik waa Hubinitttid to the {leople of tliu Dominion by an able and ex|M-rienced gentiemiin, a nieml>or ot (hia llou.se. 1 need not iiitmo iii.ii, be- cauHO the iiit 1 of our Nhipping, and of humanity. It is in the intci- etjt of every industry that ex|»ortJ' loy article from this country to tho old world, beoaiiao an e,x|>etidituro of thin kind will hmIuco tito into of chargeN in tho ahapo of iuHurancu aiul other charges on tho Hhipping, and that ia inoro absolutuly in tho interest of Ihu exiturtur tiiaii in lliu in- terest of tho owner of tho ship. But wliilo w^ have been looking around to nm wh«t Q*w aadM of luxation migbl \^^ uwliceea made by n\y pi'edecessoi" alPjcling tho policy of tlio Government of vvliich I had tlie honour of being Finance Minister up to 1873. I did make some reference t,01)2. There was a good deal of discussion in 1874, between my lion, friend the member for Cumber* huid, and the then Finanoe Minister, as to the auiouat collected in that year, and that properly lielonged to it, or rather collect(;d in that }e!ir, and properly be- longing to the year following. I want to call the atU'ution of ibis House te) the statement made by my predecessor iheother night. Wh;it w.is it J He .said that the members <>!' tiie(rovernm.'nt and Finance Minister had not ko])t their couikscI, as he said they ought to hav€ kept it, the IMiblic were madn aware of tho intentions of tho (iovei'iiment, and the j-i'.sult waa that, within one month, tho total amount collected in February, 1874, was liut lialf tlie aiuounfc collected in Fi'bniaiy, 1S79. I want that to be borne in mind. 1 estimated that .H:8ri(),000 of tho receipts of tliis year belonged ju'operly to the ii(!xt year. Tlie extra reveuuo of this year is, according to hi^ own statement, doulile what it waa in 1873-74. If that be tho case, an of the levenue of 1873-74 properly credited to 1874-75. Mij. CAllTWIllGHT : The hon. gen- tlouian has quoted n;o incorrectly, and, if ho will allow me, I will tell him what 21 I (lid say. I niado no reference to Feb- uary, 1H74. The lelerence I umdo was totheiirHt twenty daya ot Apiil, l874, whicli is quit.? a different thiny. AlK. TILLFiY : Well. I am very much ohhsed to the hon. Ki'»t!enian for cor- recting vne. Taking his proposition as from the Mth April, 1874, it gave only $1 000,000 ill excess, while lie stated in' Ftihruary, of this year, it was $2,000,000, instead of Sl,n<»0,000. Now, Bupi)0se, for the sake of argument, that the receipts in April. 1S74, were $2,000,000, I have estimated that t,h(! statement I have submitted hero that $3r)0,000 Excise, and!ii!r)()0,0(l0 Customs, both properly and fairly belong to next year. I also stated that, probably, wo would have cidlected. before the hscnl year is dosed, $150,000, as extra duties resulting from change in taritf. That will make $1,000,000. Suppose we re- ceive no in'ire this year than we did m 1874? If they received $1,000,000 in excess of what belonged to roveiuie, it would have left $23,205,09 J as the receipts for that year. , . , „ Mu. CART WRIGHT : No ; decidedly not. , ^ , Mu. TILLEY : My case does not de- pend solely upon this point. 1 know it is but an estimate, and may vary to the extent of $200,000, $300,000, or $400,000. But I have sutKcient to make out a case, even if that should be granted. The expenditure for chat year was $23,31(),31G, as shown by the Public Accounts. If the late Government re- reived, at that time, only half what wo have raised at present, or suppose they received as much as we have received at the present time, belonging to next year, then you have the sum of e-2a.205,092, against an ex])en(Uture of ;?2J,31b,,ilO. B'ut suppose our calculations are not correct, what should iiroperly be deducted from that expenditure, in order to show whether the statement I made was cor- rect or not ? It is well known our esti- mates of income were always under the mark from 1809 to 1873. There was not, during one of those years, a tune when the estimate of income was not lar below what was received, and our esti- n-ate of expenditure greatly in excess ot our actual expenditure. In order to Bhow the unfairness of the statement ot the hon. member, ho speaks of the ex- penditure of $300,000 or $400,000 added to the expenditure of Prince M ,vunl Island ; but he, in no way referred to tho r.;venue derived from the Island. l.ct ,is go a liUle further, in order, Sir, to swell the exi)ondituro of that year to tho largest possible anioant, and to justify the'' Government in placing in Uis Ex cellenc)'s speech the statement that it was necessary, in order to make up tho .lehcl.mcy of that year, that increased taxation should then be imposod—m order to place the Government that hatl preceded them in the position of being responsible for the increased charges, items were placed under tho head of ex- i.einlituie that ought never to have been placed there at all. This matter haa been discussed over and over again, and, when his hon. friend the member for Cumherland was sjieaking the other night, I could not help feeling it was n crreat privilege for hon. members to wear their hair, in the House, and ho could not help thinking the late Finance Minister would have been very glad if the rim of his hat had been broader than it was when his hon. friend was bringing the matter home to him. My lion, fiiend from Cumberland said the late Finance Minister had charged $546,000 to ir.coino that should have been chargeil to tho construction of the intercolonial Rail- road. And my hon. colleague said ho had indisputable evidence that it was pointed out to the Finance Minister, by one of his officials, that the charge was improperly entered. The loader of tho Op[iosition afterwards took exception to the matter ; but I happen to have before me what will settle the question. I iiold in BJy hand a return laid before Parliament, through the Minister of Pub- lic Works, a statement of the number of miles of the Intercolonial Railway in operation on the 1st July, 1873, 1874, 1875, 187G and 1877, also showing the cost of operating the same, signed by Mr, Brydges, and laid on tho table of the Hou.se, in accordance with tho re- quest of some hon. member. T find the expenditure for working the railway for 1873-4 is $1,301,550. In the Public Accounts it stands $1,847,178. Now, I ask, Mr. Speaker, whether there can be anything more decisive, or more d(dl!ilte,thtn that statoment,HhQwing_th.at $540,000 has been charged as expenditure 35 $400,000 'riiico Ed \f, referred ho Island, er, Sir, to ear to tho to justify n riis Ex- iit tlmt ib iko up tho increased 1 posed — in ,t that ha<1 n of being i charges, head of ex have been matter has a^nin, and, neinber for the other ng it was n era to wear couhl not !e Minister if the rim than it was ringing the hon. fiiend ite Finance lO to income •ged to tho lonial Rail- igue said he hat it was Minister, by ; charge was mder of tho exception to have before [ueation. I 1 laid before istcrof Pub le number of Railway in 1873, 1874, showing the , signed by the table of with the re- . I find the 13 railway for the Public ,178. Now, ler there can fii, or more ,Hl'.owing that .3 expenditure against income that ought to have V)een charged against tho construction of that ro;i(l ? Now, [ think, that is unanswer- able. Tliero is an olHcial document, signed by Mr. Brydges, and laid on the table of tiie House dy tho late leader of the Government, Now, Sir, I hold that that item ehould never have been entered under that head of expenditure, and 1 hold, therefore, that it should never have been charged against our Government. It ought not to hiwe been charged in that account, as against revenue, but as against capital. Tiiero seenuid, as I stated bbfore, a great anxiety on the jiart of hon. gentlemen, to swell the expendi- ture of that year. I find charged to management $00,000, or thereabouts, commission on the loan I negotiated in 1873. This item iiad never appeared be- fore, and had never appeared since, under that head. Then there was $41,000, the sinking fund paid in July, 1873; that I did not tiike into account, because it was due the previous year, 1872. I could not have foreseen when I made my statement, that gentle- men opposite were coming into j)ower, and that they were going to dissolve tlie House, and that they were to have a Session in the autumn. I could not, therefore, be expected to make provision in the Estimates for expenditures for legis- lation, excfjpt what we were cognisant of. 1 find $200,000 added to legislative expenses as the result of the autumn Session and the election afterwards. Mr. MACKENZIE : It was not us that called that Session. Mh. TILLEY : But I am speaking now in juslitication of my estimates sub- mitted. It was not possible for me, at to the time, to foresee thai tluvt Session was be called, tiiat hon. gentlemen would dis- solve tlie llousoandgotjtliecountry. Then we find refunded duties charged against us of $G'J,OOU that ouglit not to have been paid, and wouKI not liave been paid had we remained in power. Tliese items amounted, together, to$l) 16,000, and were to be deducted. This would reduce the expenditure to $22,400,316. Now, he Ciiuie to anotiier question, that of the loan. His predecessor, in reference to tiiat loan, the four per cents luiguaran- teed, produced but X86, and he made a calculation, if I recollect rii^ht, that guar- anteed debentures of four per cents were 104J. When I first floated the guar- anteed loan of XI, 800,000, I could not see wlu .e guaranteed loan should not biing in proportion as much as consols. But in discussing this matter willi public men, they said that no guaranteed loan that had over been given by Great Biitain, for any country, has ever pro- diiccid anything like the same returns as any ordinary Government loan. When I was in Loiuloii, in November, I found, to my amazement, that these bonds, four per cent, guaranteed, were bringing a much lower price than "they had ever been quoted before. I asked Sir John Hose, the agents and o^her gentlemen, how it was that these guaranteed loans were at present quoted and sold so low — one gentleman telling me he had been glad to take three per cent, premium for them, with almost five weeks' interest that had acciued. What was the anwer ] It was one that required some explanation. It «va8 ; Oh, they are fioater-.. I said, what are floaters 1 He said ihey are termed floaters because, when interest is low, worth say two per cent., the guaranteed securities of this and other countries are bought^ by money brokers and men with limited means, because these securities bear four per cent. They lodge them with the Bank of England and other banks, and get the money at two percent. The result is, that while money is very cheap there is a demand for them for chat particular purpose ; but at that time, after the failure of the Glasgow Bank, and when rumours were afloat of other failures of banks in the west of England and elsewhere, when every dank in tiio city was fortifying its position and using every pound availal)le for the purpose of strengthening their reserves, the rate of interest had gone up, and the banks were demanding the money they had advanced on these floater'i, and consequently they were forced into the market to be realised on, and these cir- cumstances brought the price down, and placed them in the position in which they were when I was compelled to make that loan ; a scate of things entirely diff-irent from that of the June previous, when these securities were at the highest point, and when it would have been wise for the Finance Minister of the day to take advantage of the position. Tiie hon. gentleman said, the other night, that he 21 bad lost his election because he wn« look- ing after the interests of his own party. It appears to me, and this opinion is en- tertained also by the country, that if lie had been floating a loan at that time in- stead of looking after the interests of the party, he would have realised much more than I was able to realise under the cir- cumstances referred to. Sir, it was i)o- cause these guaranteed securities were then at that figure that I was unable to realise a higher rate, and I miiy say it •was remarkalile, considering that I w-as endeavouring to make good what ought to have been done by my predecessors under more favourable circumstances, that party feeling and party prejudices allowed them to go so far when tlicy ought to have been anxious that 1 should have the greatest success, inasmuch as they were deeply intorested in the result ; but their policy and llieir conduct was censurable, and I met with opportitiou when I ought to have had their support, as I -was placed in that position by them, not by my own choice. The late Minis- ter of Finance says the unguaranteed 4 per cents, brought only 86 pounds on the hundred. They brought, taking into account the value of the guaranteed securities, about 90| ; that is what they realised. T have in my hand a letter from Barings and Glynn, stating that there never was a time when previous Do- minion loans were placed on the market BO unfavourable as then. They were put up to competition, at all events they were oflered to the highest bidder. The lion, gentleman asked me, the other day, if I knew how much had been taken by the agents, and how much by the Bank of Montreal. 1 said J. did not know, except in conversation with the directors and the Mana«jer of tiiu Bank of Montreal how much they had taken, or whether the agents had taken any at ail or not. Ho said I ought to have known. It is remarkable the hon. member this Session a.sked for information that he refused to give wlien he was in the Government. Mr. CARTWRIGHT : I have, on all occasions, stated exactly what the agents had done. "What I refused to give, be- cause 1 had not the information, were the names of the other parties, not the agents, who had subscribed to the loan. Mr. TILTjEY : Oq the day on which the tenders wore submitted, I saw four schedules brought in numbering from one down to eighty. I do not suppose, if I had examined them, I would have known if the Bank of Montreal had tendered, h.id the manager not told me that they were going to tender, as their tenders were probably made through a broker. The hon. gentleman said he knew if I had named the price and had £3,000,000 oHcred, and I had£5,000,0(i0 tenilered, and I had to sit down and de- cide who should receive thts £.3,000,000, I would perhaps know too. That was not necessary. All that I required to know was that the amount was taken above the uuiiiraum given in the pros- pectus. Tiie hon. gentleman opposite was somewhat severe on me because T took a stop which I believe iiineteen- twentieths of the people of this country will justify, anil that step was with reference to the payments of llio revenues received by the Collectors of Customs and InlanJ Revenue into the banks ujion which the cheques for those duties were drawn. I do not recollect, at this monienr, that a bank manager approached me on this subject, but members of the House came and jjointed out the ditli- ciilty. I do not wish to say anything that would affect the position of the biuiks ; on the contrary, I believe the suspicion with reference to their stand- \u'i was with.)ut cause. From the ob,ser- vation that I had given to the matter, the banks, as a whole, are sound, but tliere was an anxiety with reference to tlio deposits, and men everywhere, owing to various causes, were withdrawing from the banks their deposits, much to the injury of the business of the country. Wlien these gentlemen stud to me duties amounting to .-j;5,000,000 or $4,000,000 —the amount was $4,700,000,— will be paid in during the next three weeks, and it' these choques for this money go to the Bank of Montreal, and that Bank should demand from the others specie for them, you will add to the com- mercial embarrassment and gi'eatly injure the business community. In accordance with these representations, 1 afforded facilities for persons trans- acting business throughout the Do- muiion, not to give encouragement to take goods out of bond, because it was known on the 17th September that thi» a: I Bnw four il)ering from not Hupposo, would huvp [ontrcal liad not told me (ler, as tlieir le through a lan said he •ice anil had [1 £5,000,000 own and de- £3,000,000, . That was required to t was taken in the proa- nan opposite le because T ve nineteen- tliis covnitry [) was with tlie reveiuies of (Just urns the banks those duties led, at this r approached inbers of tiie ut the diffi- ay anything ntion of the ; l)elieve the their stand- jm the obser- 1 lh« matter, ! sound, but reference to wliere, owing Llrawing from much to the the country, to me duties ■ $4,000,000 lOO,— will be se weeks, and tnoney go to d that Bank ers specie for the com - lud gr-eatly uunity. lu )resentations, ersons trans- ut the Do- ragement to ?au8e it was ber that this policy would be adopted. The people were prepared for the change lujcause they had contidonce in the declarations made by the party leaders, and, therefore, went forward, as every member of this House would have doue were ho m busi- ness, anticipating the increased duties, and taking out of bond everything they could; ib, therefore, became a question whether we would increase the existing en'bairassments or remove them as far as possible. We did not soy to our col- i lectors deposit your money in such and such a bank, been use the directors and managers are our political supporters. We saie utterly impiactic- able to do it were we not spending that large sum, thus indirectly lienefitting the manufacturing industries of Great Britain. In opening up that great North- West, we expect to provide a com- fortable home for the sur))lus population of Great Britain. We will thus reiieve Great Britain of its surplus population, and plant them where they will still be subjects of England, purchasing of her manufactures $9.25 per head per annum, against $2.50 if they removed to the "United States and became aliens. CJreat Britain has a great interest in this work, and in the development of this great re- gion. Will it be said that the increase of wealth and population resulting from the tilling of our western ter- ritory with millions of settlers, will not be a source of strength to the mother land 1 We have only to point to the fact that a tew months ago, when there was a y)ossibility of trouble between the Mother Country and Kussia, Canada was prepared to send 10,000 men, and back them by tens of thousands more, to fight for the old flag under which we Rro proud to live. TnBt«ad of tlu-re being any feeling in England against us, although there are some Free- trade men who care not about the colonies, the heart of the people is with \is. They know that this money is ro- ipiired for the development of our countrv, and for opening up new chan- nels of trade between the Old World and the New, and to enable Clanadians to compete with tlie manufacturers south of the line 45 The sympathies of the English people will be with us, instead of adverse, as has been desired by hon. gentlemen in Opposition. With refer- ence to the United State^ I was a mem- ber of the Oovei nnr.-nt of New Bruns- wick when the unfortunate struggle between the North and South was at its height, and I then acted upon the prin- ciph', a principle 1 still hold to, that a Oaimdian statesman, who does not, in dealing with our American neighbours, duly consider their feelings, does not act in the interests of Canada ; but he is not expected in any way to sacrifice the in- terests he is specially charged to protect. In the United States, the presa differs in o])inion witii respect to this tariff. The Government, after refraining for twelve years from imposing duties on articles imported fioiu the United States that were free uiuler the Reciprocity Treaty, only now propose to reimpose them, though the United States Gov.'rnment restored tlio duty on our natural productions immedi- ately on the abrogation of the Treaty. This proposition Vjeing accompanied with the declaration that we are prepared to meet them half way in the reduction or removal of duties, was cdculated to prevent unkind criticism, and such has beeii the case. Goods imiiorted from the United States will pay a larger share of the duties than goods from Great Britain. I have statements hern that will bear out this assertion. The member for North Oxford (Mr. Oliver) observed that I stated that we expected to receive $2,000,000 from the United States. What I said was that we expected to obtain this amount altogether, the larger portion from the goods imported from the United States. I did not enter into the question as to whether the producer or consumer would pay it. 29 Under those circumHtanceii, T tliink there cunaot l)« uiiy unkind fcclitij^ towiinls Caniula hy thn ix-oplo of t)i«> Unitrd BtiitcH. 1 hi-e 11 inwlciiite iifriodioiil, ])uhli8hed tht^ivi, renuuks thiit tho Cunuiliiiii (Jovornm«'nf, should have ap- proaclifd th«i Unitod StutrH Govt'iiiUHMit oti thiH (|UfHtioii, Iwforo throwinj? dowti the gauntlet. Wo have twice Mpinouched tliein on thin Hulijett, and our jnoiMisi- tioriH havo hecMi rejt-eted; a. id the jdcHcnt Goveiiuneut have decide.! to wait till they iimko tho advance, and show that they are piepated to meet uh in a HImtuI spirit, I now come to some of the general olijectiouH that h.ivo heen offered to tho measure Huhniitted to the IJouhc. Hon. nienihers on the Oppoisilion Mid(! havo read letters di.sapproving of some ofthose projjositions. All I can sav is that, if any hon. nu-mber supposed that such a complete revolution in turilF ar- rangenients as this taritl" effects could Ije made without elicitinj^ some complaints, he must have been very sanguine. All I can say is that it will he shown, l)y the amendments that I propose, that we havo not nuule any very radical change of principle, and that, though gentlemen ■will ask for changes hoie and reductions there, and make complaints as to certain details, taking tho Dominion as a whole, I have reason to feel that the niajoiity of the country is with us in those projjo- sitions. Mr. MACKENZIE : No. Mr. TILLEY : We will .see. Whi.t are the general objections (o tho tariff? My predecessor and the hon. member for West Middlesex (Me.ssrs. Cartwright and Ross) com])lained that one etl'ect would be to make people look to the Gorernment and Parliament for relief. I was not surprised to hear my predecessor make that statement, because I think he distinctly assertf I that it was impossible for the Government to do anything more than they had done for the relief of the people by legislation ; but I was sur- prised to hear it from the member for West Middlesex. I thought 1 had fol- lowed him the last eight orten years in the consideration of a question in which this Dominion is greatly interested. I had ■watched him as, si'^p l)y step, he went on advocating such measures as he felt were necessary for the relief of tho peoi)le from the vice of intemperance, and that he took the proun.-l that Parllnment wnn the place to come to, as shown iiy the reform consummated in tho Act jmimed last .Session. Did my ears deceive mo whon my ho 1. friend dec-hired that it would bo a ci'lamity if the people were taught to look to tho Parlianu!nt and Govern- nuMit for relief from the great evils that existed in the land, when it was mainly to that source that he had educated tho people to look 1 T havo a wcrd to say in answer to the ai-guments of my hon. friend from North Norfolk (Mr Charl- ton). p]xtract8 were read from his speech, the other night, and nothing that I could say would be so effectual as (o read the speeches he nmde on former occasions. In answer to the hon. mem- ber for Oxford, did he not move for a Committee to eiKpiire into the expedi- ency of protecting the industries of the country 1 I think, when I was Finance Minister before, that he was one of the warmest advocates of Protection that I knew in Parliament. The hrm. member for North O.xford, with Mr. Joly and tho late member for Wateiloo, and others, pressed ujjon me and upon Par- liament the |)roposltion to admit the pro- duction of beetroot sugar, for ten years, frtio of any excise duty, giving tho pro- ilucer a protection equal to 3c. per })ound. This was the most thorough protective proposition made in Parlia- ment, and the member for North Norfolk also joined in tho demand. We have heanl complaints about tho promises made by gentlemen on this side to tho electors at tho last -general election. These statements are made to destroy the effect of the elections of 17th Sep- tember last. What did they say 1 That men were not bought by money, but by promises, and an lion, gentleman on the OpI)osition side has stated that there never was an election in Canada where there was so little money spent as in that one. Then, for the first time, we were befoi'o the country with a square issue, which was not money nor office, but a great question of principle. I know that many who supported me formerly then voted against me, because they had been told that, if tl)eysup|)ortod the Conserva- tive party, their flonr wnsdd cowt a d(jllar a barrel more, and their coal cost more also, as the result of increased taxation ; and the manufactui-ers wera M tnVl hy th«* hon, |^«ntUmPn on the othor Bid** tlmt tlioy would iff't no Iticrenned yirotflctidii. I claim Uiiit l>«)th xi'lcn womi diacusHinu prinriplfH tlmt iiivcilviMl, no doiiJit, iiitJividiial intt'ri'HtH ; mid I woiiM ank if it was not th« liiijlu'st trihnti^ tlmt could ho Jiuiil t') tin* lu'opl.* of tho Dominion to hhv tlmt, on tlio I7tli Sep- tenilit-r, tlu'V laid HHiil(< nil |mrty qufH- tions. iind voted for tln'if princi|il<'H liy an ovtTwli.'linin'J! m ijority. NiistiiuiiiK tho nirr\ who hiivi- Huhuiittt'd this policy to PiirliMtncnt. We am tol I that thin ia a Hfctional policy, that it is coins; to soptiratH thi' pwplf, that tho (}i>vt>rn- imtnt or tho Financi* Minister was Hiniplv a ^omniittno appointed to leccivo projio- HJMons from the men who ramo to Ottawa. I can only say that, if we ac- cepted tilt propositions from all partH of tho Dominion, tho tariff wouM have been a cpieer mixture iiuleed, hecauso w(- naturally had conflictiii)^ interests to deal with. But th« Go\'einment, in view of its respoTisihilities, as ropresontini; On- tario, Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, and the North-West, had to consider and decide as to what was in the interest of ih- whole Dominion, nnd what misjlit meet, fairly and justly, tho interest of the whole country. Tf we had come down with a proi)Osition directly in tho interest of one Province, no matter how preat it miirht he, had w^ taken propositions en hhc from Ontario for exam])le, the other Provinces would have <;rounds for com- plaint. Our scheme is not for a section, but for the interest of the whoh) country. A great deal has been said about the ))Oor man by hon. gontlemeii oi)posite. Sir, if these ^Topositioiia are successful, the laboniinp man will derive the "great- est benefit from them. If they are now idle, what is the advantas;e of their living in a chea]) country 1 Do yon want him to be idle! No; you wish to ge him something to do. When our friends on the o'iher side of the Atlantic under- staxia our sch(!mo, and see that, inste.id of sending hundreds of thousands of jieople out of this country, it is to keep them in it, under the sovereignty and power of England, they will lieartily ap- j)rcvu of it. Tiie hon. nuuiibci for North Oxford (Mr. Oliver) said that I had stated that, had I been in otlice in 1874, I WQuld not Iiava distuibed the rate of 15 nflr e*>nt. T did ««t "o. W« lntimnte exi)en.litureH of the governmeni of this country migltt have been kept with- in A2'J,.'S()0,(t()0, or an avenig » for those four years. The Kstimates I submitted to Parliament a few days since prove that. T did Htate this: tiiat, had «»o Ir-en iu power, we would not have asked to disturb the I.") per cent. list. Wo would have taken tho money «Hitot other articles that woidud8 occui)" with reference to the li<,n. riu'rrilM.i- f..r Worth OvfnnI »Vi'Im nucIi h ilcrj. iiit«.n»Mt — our imtivf wo.ji. Un inm Hiiiil tho im- position of ft ,|„ty ti|K)ri wluuit, iH-caiiHc wo ImvH II Nuipliin, will j{iv<» no iM-ni'Ht to tlm wli.-at >;rowr-f, aii.l Mtili my lion, fn«ui, it niakt'H III) (liM'fiPiico whether you piit u duty n|i(iit it or not. Mr. OLIVKU: VVc have no ^iirpluH of wool. \V«, iinjiort .'$,000,000 pouuiU more tjiun we export. Mr. TILLKY : Yen, wo import more than we e.Kport, hut tho wool we grow unfortunately, In not, iiml cannot he, used for tho kiml of niainifa. tiin-H that aro now made in the country. We are making this propoMition to encourage the manufacture of good, strong, coarse cloths and hhinkets, to take the place of shoddy, liy which he is cheated ol his hard eurninga, for when he has a suit of it on, if he goes out to work in the rain, ho comes homo with his kii"es out ol his pants. We proposo to have manufac- tured liero what we want for our own UHo, and what wc nuve been taking from the United State.s. We will try tlio ex- periment, and if wo are to take the United >States as a proof of our [losition, some twelve yocU-s ago they im^ osed Mc. a pound on all woollen goods inpoited. I)ei-idi!s 20 or .'10 per cent, w/ mlor,'.m and what was the etlcct I Woollen gooils there, to-day, are cheaper, unquestion- ably, by 12A to 25 per cent., than they were at that time. TJiat will be the cflect in this country ; it will give the poor man a cheaper and l)etter article than lie lia.s now. It may bo, as the hon. gentleman stated, that on account of the competition, the manuCaciurer will derive no [irotit, but, at any rate, the people will get u good and cheap irtido, in place of a rotten, worth. loss one. Now it is said that the china the rich man uses, pays a duty of 20 per cent., while the common earthenware pays more. We have several Li>-,i,'o establishments engaged in tho manufacture of earthen- ware ; there is one in Montre;il tnauuf.ic- ! tiiring $7,000 per month. In tho Pro- vince of New Brunswick there is one for stoneware ; but if we have no more, this tftiiil' will cauae others to be estublishoU, • )n thfwe two ArtirlAN that w« can pro- 'ou can tind the material. Mil. iMACKKNZIK: Wher« is the clay ] Mr. TILLFCY: Thero is plenty of it ; if not in the West, then in the Kast, and wo will 1)0 happy to reciprocate in pro ducts. Then we come to glasswure. Ihero are certain classes of common glassware that we do make, and wo have iiiipoHed an additional duty on it, ami it is l)eiievod tiiat com|)etition will produce an article which can be fiirnisheil to the consumer as cheap as it is at present. Then we come to i)ian(m. It is said that it is not proper to make a piano costing S- pay a higher duty than one costing i!?"'00 or «()00. It is impossible, lu a proposition of this kind, to regulate a scale to bear equally all around, but we impose duty on the.so articles with a view of encouraging the iiuhistries that wo have in this country. They can make all, or nearly all, that we require, pro- vidiiig that they have tho market largely to themselves, and the pioper duty is paid upon tho.se articles when imported ; tlierofore, it was considered advisable to imjiose a specific and n./ luduniu duty. Then then? lias been a good deal said i"l)ouL books. Hnglish books, it is said, pay a higlicr duty, and that tho cheaper books pay ]e;ss when tho iluty is paid by the pound. We kn .w that a great many of the cheajier books, when they paid 5 per cent., paid less in pro|)orti'jn than the others, because you had io pay for the binding. lUit as I stated in the out.set, it was for the [lurpose of saving a valuable and expensive book, that, trom the ability that had been displayed by Its author, and the price ho had fixed upon it, which made it higher '' i, ordinary imblications, wo thought h specific duty should be imposed, instead of an lid valorem. It was for the pur- pose, also, of removing the anomaly that exitsed up to tho present time, whereby we impose 171 per cent, on -wser f,nd we admitted 'books, printed paper and binding at 5 per cent. That was an in- justice to our own printers and our own It Mr«r mukfTH, »nd thU «rnpo«Uion in rniul« to n-mov.' tint HUoUMily, My h..t.. fiii-iMl. the l.=>'K'' "»■ ^''" <>!'!-'"»i"'''. "» bin »i»'.H-li. llw othfi- ni«lit. |.uuil.'.l. I.H ho li.iH .l(.f.« on othfli- .HViwuMm. U) Uif Ui>itiMl Htat.'». to Hhow th.' •'Il.'ot hat Proti'ction hrt.l hiul n|».n th- .•niiim|Mr.. of th.it country ; that it Imi .l.Htn..v.'.l, to Rotntuin «xt.mt, thw fonun«n;.- of that country ; that in, that it h.ul .lunu.iHhHl the tonin.K« of i»"it .•oui.iry. Di.l niy hon Irifii'l iroclU'C't iit tht. tinif, thi.i, Wl.ii,. w.. vv,M.:ia.)l.tiu« .il.rot..rliv.. j.olu7 with r.l.Mi, <• to vmioim otli.r uuIuh- trie., on th« qufHtion of h»''|;1"!'K. ;*•" „ropo«« innr.im-.l f.u'iliii.'". lakm«th.. SHmlnit-uH it .•xisl.-.l in 1H(.3 l.ut ■hipping f.-ll otV 400,000 toUM tlm to low- InB voar. That wan th« r.-Hult ol-tli.< di*HcultifH that PxiHtfd in that oountiy ; ■hipH w.>r« Htl.«T d.'Htioyml, or thev •werv HgiHtwed luulor th.- natn.-H ..f BritiHh Hul.j.'ctH. Hut n\y »';"'•. <'•;'■"• will Hay Una it was th.» high .lutioH that were irnpom-.l upon the art icIoh that entorcl int.) tlio ooiiHtruction of Hhipn, that canml the .lin.inntion. Now, tlmt wan not the only .litliou.ty that oxiHt.-. during th.' war, au.l th.-re is no doui.t that i.i Oroat Britain tho eoystruj-tu.n of iron HhipH, vshi.h laivo largely taken he pUtce <,f wooilon vosmO-, hail a good d.-a to do with it ; and then' is no douLt hat the duty that wan iu.pos.Ml upon the mate- rials that 1-der.d into the oonHtruction ol United HtateH vohsHh, had a good deal to do with nniking then, more . xj-enHivo than the «hiim of other count, u-s, and lun.co th.. tonnntjo f.^U otl'. Hut n.y hon. irien.l shouUl laive reinei..b.'.v.l that in the K0).oMtion the CJovennnH.t has made we pn.tect the HhipUnhler ni g.v- i„K hi.u cl.eai.er n.at.rial ; w. .■nal.lo him to la.il.l eh.'aper than ,et..re, an. therefore, the very dilUculty that .-x.Hte.l in the United States has l..H>n avoid.Ml l.y thin pn.position. The hon. nie.n her tor West '-iddlesex (Mi-. Kosh) tool" so.ne plausible p..iuts in his spot-ch. lean nuite imagine him on the stump ; 1 do not wond.r that ho succeed.;.! in getting a seat in Parlia.nent, because he can take a point and present it in a plausible kind of way. HcHay^i the Gov.uument have brought down a proposition to give d,-aw1.acks upon the ships built through- out th« Dominion; but he says, what ,,, ,hcv .loina for th. 1ncomntlT«. 1 My ,„,„. ,„,.nd th.a.ght. no do«.bt. h« WM ,„„king « IHdnt that wo.d.l tak.» in hin :.. :Lti'tu..ney, but had h« ^»r«otto,^ ,.,l that h.H b,...n .h.n« by ;h« »«-"^' ,„..„tofth« Domi....... a...i »;y ";•""!' ",„n.ent.,f ohl fanada.byth..Uovrn. „;.,,„, of NovK He,.th» .in.l ..ther l'rovu.c.|- i„ th.' .•..nHtrn.th.n ..f railwayn I U th..re any oth.^r in.luKl.y in th.H |)om n- i.,n that han renivo.! th.- Ham« .Ur.«t Hupp..rt f....n Government 1 Mv b«a tVi'.nd tlM.ught he was making «,K)int, an. In hi« «.-ction .'f tl mnlr, they .lo „.;t own .hi|m. but if there IH .i ra.lroad lh„i paM..H within a mdo of h.H cmnty, „r ihl.t i-asseH thn.ugh it, that railroad l.nH r.'c.-ived uwiKtan.v in.m t\w o d Gov- ,.,„n...nt of Cuunhi. or fr.m. the Province .,rth.tari.., in excesH an.l bcyoml any- thing that has ever be.-n given to any ..th.T industry, and p.operly h.). I now ...,meto an important .pu'sti.m, that i(i, ,1,„ s.iKar .pi.'Htum. I niust my I waH a littl.. ama/,-d at the statement ma.le by „,V ia-.>.lee.-MHor the oth.'r n.ght. I may ,„;,,' h.n-e heard him distinctly but I ,l,.,„.ht he Ht:.t..d wo wouhl lose .«il,()U(t,Oi)0 by .air proposed change ot duties on sugar. Mk CMlfWlUtiin : I Hinted the p,.,.pl.<.r Canada would lose more than i5tl,rs the propositi..n that he lai.l upon th." table, with r.fe.vnce to sugar, and the ren.onstraiic. that was ...ade, and 1 aiipeal to menibei-s who we.e in the House at the ti.ne, to boar me out in the Htatement, that his fust p.-opoHitun- was in the inteivst of refill. ng ot sugar ; but di.l not that hon. genthman come .lowii aft.'iwards by way of eiiouraging retinii.g in this Domii.i..n, f^^l^'^^^ t per cent otf th.- spetntlc .luty 1 If J mn conv.^t, the hon. gentleman ca.ne down an.l made that .•e.luctioii with the view of continuing in existence the sugar retiu.a-i.'s of the country. It appears to me that he was pretending to give them som.-thi.g, while he was ref.ising to counteract the elTect of the b.-uii^y givcQ in the Unite.l States, preten.lii.g to give something to them, when there was no- « Iking In It wh»t«TMr t or •U* h« "•• !m^ch in •ccor.f.nc. with t.>.i o « w. that in no lnciT«w, »«•««••««' '* }" ■*«|"" dUtlnctIv t»..U, wl...n M.H.UH ,xii> mvovU.l mat it i.m-iK«ly ^»'""' " whm in tJ.ut IlovoNu. 14. w„ «iv. 5 p- n.«t. morn a.Ulitionul to llK, r«tinor, \t Jh proUjc- tion BguinHt ihiH undue "l-'-.l^"."- ' ' ;hi.-h I.UK a..lroy.Hl KUgar •;•«""»« f" the luHt two y.Min. in thiH country In L our vropoHition. Th.-ro m onlv 6 lu;. cent diflerencfi on HUgi" IH OUIV " I" ' .ihovt) Ko. 14. rent uiuun'ii"' *"» ""n*" , • S?oK.n. g.mtl.mun HayH that the ...uplo ofCHnuaaVK««1.0()0..)0<.hyU. Have „ade Hon.o culcuhaunm on t uh nudto, may Ik, entirely wronK, but I w.U «. e yoitheroHultof th..n.. '»•' -f;,;*"'^ the revenue hiHt y.iir wan f '2.9 0,000 Mu CAKTWiUOUT : I uaid nothing "^S.'SrLEY:Iunaor.tcK>ahim sav that the revenue waH «J,J0O,("iu, a the rc.ei,tH, unaer thin ta.it . wouh he $1,900,000, which wouUl he a Iohh ol Mr. CAimVUlOHT : T w.l tell the hon. g..ntlenmn what I naul, and what I tht Ae niUBt h..ve unaerKtood^ I ha the puhlic returns in my hand, trom which I W.U. reading. I -ad to am then what ho m.iHt know-and it .h Seetly abHurd for him to ..ffcct ignor- Elthat we got 12,500,000 last year TL^ revenue, and hy his preHcnt texes it would cost the country g'> O^O 000 if that sugar was brought m J:fhe 'same quantities ana the H.,ne values as now ; but if. as is l>robable the sugar is manufacturea in th- -vrntry tlie total revenue would be $1,900,UU, or *^ M^ TIJLLEY : I understood him to Bay rc'venue, but that '^n«*'«'^" ^^ J"!' Sse very well, because it emiblei^ me o ^e my statement, which is directly f;;osite' Now, I bave^made up he e t . T XUlnlr JrUl he the result, under thU tariff of nM.1 jrwr. •• wH^l^nHl w« lm|«rt«J 106.240>0 Hm. Ub Im. in to U n.«n..a. And th.r^ b another jKilnt, with nf-r-noe to tl... .ad« i„ the Unlti-a Htat.-. and in hnglanO. Una..rtheo|.^rathmuf the law we now a»k the Parlia««'«''>t to m.^iov... thor« will ».« little r.»lni-d Hugar .>.•« »»«» th.« United States, but, un. er U« o,j«o... '....J „how...lthat ««.»5:«3.«44 were l.n.a on .ngar im.H.rtea ana .on.un.ea h.Hl yrar, .« ag«inHl»«.'i9:M»'"» for the next ye.»r, Ih,. ditre,e,u-e in lavou.' <.f th. ...mHun.er heii.u #:J40.000 in addition to th-^ hen. - ,i,l ...inf.rr.Ml .m th., count.y by ro- ,l„.,,ieH. a..a the en.j.U.yment g.v,... to the imople and Cunadian veH-eln. Mr. Tilley the., nuul th.. following Htate.nent, Hhowing the in.,..rtH fr.m. (Wt .•.ta.n una the U,>i..aStateK. for IS78. and th« ,„.<,,,o„...l .ncreamHl d..ty .... the Han... :-- Ag.i.M.ltu.-.U im,.lc...<'»t« /."...< 5"at Britain. #9,592 ; f.om the UniUHl HlaU'ij, «l'lo ()'',;. 7 A i>er c«mt.. incnwHe ; ani- fn a^'fr...;! (5reat Britai.. S-^i''^ *./-'" t runite.1 8t.ites ri3«.Ol5. K i-er ,..„t. i...Te.vHe ; b.-eadstuflH from he^ Britain Z'lXM'i, f'C"* the United Htates, #13,350,777 15 l«'r cent, n- c,e..He ; carri.ig.)S from Ore.a t.un m l.W, fnm. United Htates «B3,504. 7* *; cent. inc.*..He ; clocks from Great Ilritai.. »7,420. fro... Umt.,.! Htates #59.7.0, 17J l>"^ «-•"»*• "rr;;S anth...cite, from Great Britain #7,503, from United Htates #1.408,523, increase 50c. nor ton ; bitun.i.ious coal •on. Great Britain #323,055, f.-om United Sfites #1,169,731, increase 50c. por ton; copper mauufacturea trom Gre.tt Biitain |8,G37, .md fro.n United States #15,884, 12^ pr cent, increase ; cotton manufactures Hj^ifio and ad valorem from Great B. tain 4(1 "03 830, fi-om United Stiites ft'>'472'l84, 10 per cent, increase; ll^Je^'lLthenwar^^^^^^^^ #40,000, from Un.tea States #40.000, io per cent, increase ; dried fr^^t from Great Britain #166,018, from Un.ted States, #261,000, 7i ^r .<;«"%>"«7J«V green fruit from Great Bnta.n#134 460, from United SUtes #333,334, 10 per M «§■!. lnoi«M« ; furnliu.* fiom Onm% Brluln 113,301, mad fmto Unlud 8t«l«« I5H7.J70. 171 ptrwnt I'W'J:"^/. f" "' titrtw from (»w»t nriuln |l 1,1 1-», from UBit*Hl HutM |73.8J;$, lii !•«•" «»»*• iMffMMi Indl* ru»)».«r «oo.U from OrtAl BriUiii «'K1.()79, from ih.i Uint«.l BUIM «92,'Jin. iiior«.»<.« 7* jmr ««iil. ; looomollve m».!hia«rv fiom (»rinit BriUin $l57,ft07, from tU« ITiiitiMl HUt«« i507,70ft. incrtniw 7J |M»r cut. ; lubmK, tAokit, lUiiU, -«|'ik«-», >«.>wiii« m.i.;hit>.w fromilnnit Hriluiu »l3S,80tJ, from Uir. Uiiit.'.l Hlal.i« «J79,ll3, iiv-rmK^ rij p«r turnt. ; glaMW.in., comuiou, fro'» bre.a llrlUln •37,R4 1, from t,h« lTml.«.l 8Ute» $20«,413, incr.M».t 10 ,wr c«ut. ; do., rtiw* »ail.l- flnt', cahit.nltimki'rH* mi'l curriiig" w.irn an.l .•iill.My, montly from Kiixluri-l, [.ay but '2\ ad valorem, from Oront BritrtUi IflO.'jrt, from tli.t Ui»il«il Stjitim 11 7;tl 70fl, ii\»'r ooiit. ; liinl from Ureat Hriuiii Sl.ti.'^l, from »,ho Uuitcd Si:itnH $210,902, im'r.Mi^« 75 pr oent. : »"»<'ou 'nul ImmH from (Jrotit Britain !?l,Oll, from iho Unito.l Htutt-n $200 003, lOi) jMjr cotit. imn-OiW.) ; Miuall oruailn .mil i.uum from droat Britain f'J.GOS, froi-i tho Uiiitod HtatoH ftftl)322, iucrwiso 7 J p"r oi-iit. ; lj.).)k8 from Oroat li.iiaiti f3'0,()«H.«v«rX,»? ^I.f?lV Iron nhii'i from Omul BrlUln, f54«,«H3, fn.mih.. amt«dSut.»i |ni,'254, •milt* 10 p«r emit ; w.n.lhn K«'^* /'^"" J*',*!!! Hritun «2.7fl5,l31, ftpom the anll^ State, «73.H07, ^^^T^Jk^J^^^ do from Qtmi Brltun •1,756,000, firoa UnitiKl BUM •7M'""'A'»T*'RStK wtit do. flner from Or«*t BrtUltt iZin'ortH, from UniUKl SUtM lO'J.OMj i»cn.:u.«74 rr cent.; »'»*"''"^- .^^^ .... .rsent woollen, from ^^re-'L, ""J'!'. 11 107,000 from United Stata* 1103,087, increase HJ lM.r cent. ;ootlon « .odn frooi Great Brit'i.U2.H35,2t'J. from United Slates «l.022.7S2, Inoreiweai P*"" ««"»•# earthenwar. froni ( ruat BrlUlj «:».1(»,II00, from tiie United HtAte* ftl.\0O0. iaerease 2^ r"" '-"'"t. ; Imott !„o.U from Grea Britain «90rt.237.rom United Stales «fj.45l», incre.wo 3i lH)f cent The whole vaUie of the imporU from tlreat Britain, here '•;f'':r"'[^;». « il7 •>83 321, and from iho United ftatw*. X)H'r,(»«'flyi. In this way it U expected lo iiicrease llie r.,venue from arLiuhm on tlie first page largely imported from tlio United Slates, «l,027,fiOO ; on merchan- aise received principally from Groat Britain, i|!i0.5,000 ; on smaller arti" es and imports from other ^•'""'^'•'"!' "IJ''"''. tho 2,V per cent, incrcaw, «750,UUU , from Jilk goods §1.^.0.000 ; spirits and wines, Customs, «l I '.000 ; ^xose sp.nta .^lOO.OOO ; making a total of !?-,t)l i.nuu. Then de.lucting the reductions on sugar, !B2r,0,000 ; tea, 90,000. With regard to the tea, it will now be largely nupoitoa fn.in Kngland and fro.n China and Japan, in.stead of fro.n the United State.. If live or Hix establishmentB monopoliK* the whole of tho business of the Domm- I woul.l ask if it woul.l not b« these establish monta ion, nreferable that v^-...^ - - HhouUl be locat.Ml in Oana.la instead of New York or Bostoni Tlie ro luction on iJe: would amount to «10.V).)0 and the amount on drawbacks %. 100,000. living a total of «540,'M)0, whicii would CeabaUncoof$2,l0.^600.i8 the ex- pected result of this tanflf. The hon. gentleman then proceeded to United States 3,913 tons; I™'" ^^^^^^^J | J^«JJ^. ^•"'''' ''* Britain ;f5y(,823, from tue ^■'■"";' i "^^"'j „„«.««« ner oound, chttugwd K> States $90,901, increase $2; bar, steel, 1 Caudlea, paraEne. per pou I 30 ol aajr |«. Mp«rn *0'l oth«r», •io«p* M\nw, IS fw •Ml. B«bl»lt maUi, 10 p«« «Mi MttlbitM or »U ktiwlf. IS pM omU. Obarkml ana «trl|M4iMrtlB(i >«• P^ '•'*• and It 9*1* «'«nl. OotMin •In- k o» i«ft»««i •nd »*H »w»M. » P"* Drlwl »pi.l«« p«' poiiwl, Ifl. AH «♦•»•» 4rl«lu»h ol illh ot oomm'm, l«» l»" Mat IroBMiil iit«"il wIm. »> p<»»o«ill. Iron .»«lliiK* of »ll Win.U, 15 !»•• f«"- CiKUlroii, uiu, wnUir nn.l «dw«ir pip«, 38 P«» Rollo, 25 por «:<)nl. P»ltit« mill colour* Kround In oil or Othor liiiuld, i5 p.irrimntout3, crud.) chloride of Hmo, cream of tarUr in cryHtJiU, oto., froo. He now came to the alditionivl rov- oimo oxpctod from various iirtiolns iw foUowH -.—From agrici.Uur.il itiiplomorits, nothing ; animals, $25,000, broadstuff^, $250,000 ; o.irriagos, nothing ; clocks, $5,000 additional ; anthracila co.il, $175,000 ; bituminous, $100,000; «-ot- t-jn, spi'citic and (k/ vUorern, $100,01)0; driod fruits, $30,000; gas fixtures, $5,000 ; locomotives, $20,000 ; ticks, «te., $30,000 ; glaaaware, coarse, $15,000 ; gla«WM*» ftw, 19,000 iboUa*.-* and •Ml \mooa, $38,000 ; book., $55.000 } guntiowaw', ^. $10.000 1 b^Mwl cai*, 137.500 ; BMirtilo »nd i«i»*»to» ■»•;*'»•• $15,(K)0; ooppMT b»rn, 10,000; fur«, ,«»,uif»ctur«.l, Ifi.OOO ; pig »r;m, $flO,000; lr.m bwi^ $300,000, wo-dUn g.K.d«. $iM'>.(M)0;.iikg.KKU, •[j;.;><»j •piiiU. and wltiMi, r„-.»..ms 110,000; •plriti., «xeli« $100,000; dutlw from other countri.* and ailvaiMW* of Si l>«r cant. lnK"<"»«. d^ftO.OOO. Mr. tilUj Huld that tlnmn lnor«MWi w«r« nwjwaiiHry to miitt th." ..xi»'mUtun«of th« country, and Huch b. .u4 ."*^.»py, th..y had l^a urrang.«lHoa^tod.-v-lo|. thn Indu-itrlat of t.ho Doiininon. ri>" majoiity of th« iwoi.ln ImIm . Uhal with .Mu-rgxtic and «nt.n|)iwitig AiiMTioan -.nauufttcturer* ,u;ro*« th« \'um, t!anadian mauufaoUirur* coulil not |»roHiM!r un'l«r a low tariff. It wiiM Haiil that w« w«r« adoj)ting a policy ai varianco with that of (ir«at Bntam. No mai» '-ould Hay what th« iH)lioy of Gro.it Britain would Iw Hvn ym% h.mce. A vory Migmticant annwor wart giv«n by tho MiniHt. , of Fonugn AHairi» whon r€h oontly io..oivmg a d.jtiitation, which ankod whiahor sonui innu«nc« could not bo broiiglit to b.Mir on thoso fontign coun- tries adopting protectivi) mmwunm with a view to indue.) thoin to chaiig" their poUoy. Thn answur wiw that Groat Britain had nothing to give. Its free tra.h> policy fiirnish.-d it with nothing to uivo. Caua-la, howovor, was now m a position to go to Paris and Hay that }♦■ had something to give in ri-tu.n for con- c(«ssioiis grantHd. The samo loinark ajv. plio.l to Sp.iin an.l tho Uuito'l States aa w.'ll. It was said that a protective policy had proiluooil Hociaiism and an ir- r.' liHiiiiabl.) paper cu*- cy. Without entering into the menu, of the question, lie would ask wh tt pirty in the United Scales favounMl an irredeemable paper currency. Tlio Protectionists and the Ile|)ublicans opposed it. V/ith respect t ) 8 sialism which it was h aid Protec- tion would introduce into Oanala, it orig- inated in Germany, which was a Fi-ee- trilo country, though now becoming Pro- tectionist. What caused the strikes m liiiglanll They ware due to foreign countries, under protective tariSs, being nble to Eend their manufactures mfcn England, which was followjJ by EuglUo 86 manufacturcw annotincing that they ZHt,.aucothcwug.softhen-handH or Sey could not compete with fomgiierB K^reat Britain adoptcl a differen V,olicy-^lH. did not «ay ^.hether it would or not- it would have Bomething o ofler Sher nations to ir.duco them to admit its mamifactures at lower duties. At all Tent ?tt« Government felt they were altL in this question in th. nten-sts of r.Sa which looked to the Govem- ^Tnttd to Parliament to legislate in its Sten-Hts. It was all very well to make Sis a cheap country to ^^^rioTt^^ people had no employment, loy P"^«« We useless. If ^e desire the Do- minion to become what we expect to see it, we most not only bring people into it but retain those already hero, eucl. ot whom, according to the calculations of hon gentlemen opposite, was worth $1,000. At a subsequent stage the liouse would enter into the details of the proposals, which . uld then be discussed inore fully, but he was satished that to- duv the people of the country were in favour of the National Policy. Hon. gentlemen opposite said the sun was shining on their side. If it were so, let them bask in it, but they on the Minis- terial benches believed that the Policy submitted would promote prosperity and happiness to the country.