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THE FINANCES OF CANADA. 0^^^

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BUDGET SPEECH

DIMTIRID IN TRI

or COMMONS OF CAN-AD-a

On Friday, 14th March, i8yg,

BT TBI

HON. S. L. TILLEY,

Minister of Finance.

Mr. TILLEY : Mr. Chairman, it is
only recently, Sir, that I have quite real-
ized the great changes that have taken
place throughout the Dominion of Ca-
nada since I lust had the honour of a
Beat in Parliament. To-day, I fully
realize them, and the increased difliculties
devolving upon me, as Finance MiniKter,
compared with the position of affairs wh(>n
I submitted my financial stater-ent in
1873. Then, Sir, my woik was a Vv^ry easy
one indeed. Hon. members oi; the
opposite benches were pleased, on that
occasion, to compliment me on that state-
ment, but I felt that I had earned no
compliment ; that if that speech was ac-
ceptable to the House at that time, it
was because of the satisfactory statements
I was able to make with reference to the
condition of the Dominion and of the
finances of the Dominion, Then, Sir, I
was able to point to steady and increasing
surpluses and revenue, and that in the
face of a steady reduction of taxation.
Then, Sir, J was able to point, with some
degree of confidence, to the prospective
expenditu-es of the Dominion, extending
over ten years. To-day I cannot speak
of it with the same confidence. Then
the consti-uction of the Pacific Eailway
was under regulations that confined and
limited the liabilitie.^; of the Dominion to
$30,000,000. To-day I am not in a
iwsition to say what expenditure oi res-
pousibilitiea we may have to incur vith

reference to that great undertaking.
There has been a change in the policy.
But it will become the duty of the Gov-
ernment and of Parliament to consider,
while wo have not the limit to our liabi-
lities that we had— our money liability
being then $30,000,000, with 60,000,000
acres of land— whether we cannot, by
some means, construct that great work
largely out of the 200,000,000 acres of
land lying within the wheat area
of that magnificent country. Then,
Sir, I could point with pride, and
with satisfaction, to the increased capital
of our banks and the large dividend they
paid. To-day I regret to say that we
must point to depreciated values, and to
small dividends. Then I could point to
the general prosperity of the country.
To-day wo must all admit that it is
greatly depressed. Then I could point
with satisfaction to the various manu-
facturing industries that were in opera-
tion throughout the length and breadth
of the Dominion, remunerative to the
men who had invested their capital in
them, and giving employment to tens of
thousands. To-day many of the furnaces
are cold, the machinery in many cases
is idle, and those establishments that are
in operation are only employed half time,
and ai-e scarcely paying the interest on
the money invested. Then, Sir, we could
point to t.ie agrieultiuiil interest as uiost
prosperous, with a Batiafactory home

markflt and MtUrfiotorT pricen nhtVMd.
To-day thny havA a Hmit«a market, with
lov: pricca, and iinything but a BHtisfac-
tory market ahroiid. Tlmn, 8ir, wo couUl
point to a vory viiluublo and oxtenaivu
West India trade ; to-day it does not exiKt.
Then, Hir, we coidd point to ii protlUible
and direct ti".\ trade, that hiw Inion do-
mornlized and doatroyod. Th(>n every-
thing appeared to be proHiwrous ; to-duy,
though it I'Mka gluomy, I hope thf.ro iH a
silver lining to the cloud, that wo may
yet see ilhuniiiating the whole of the
Dominion, and changing our present po-
sition to one of happineHH and prosiwrity.

Mr. Ohainniui, there has been, und very
naturally so, a good deal of interest and
anxiety manifeatod on the part of tiie
frienda of tho National I'olicy, as it is
called, in regard to its early introduction.
I can quite understand that, because be-
lieving us they do, and as a majority of
this House do, that that policy is calcu-
lated to bring prosperity to the country,
it was but natural that they should be
anxious for its introduction, and tliat not
a day sliould be lost. And it is satisfac-
tory to know that, great and ditlicult as
is the ve&ponsibility which rests upon
me here, I may trust that the {jroposition
I am about to submit will be sustained,
not only by a majority of this House,
but by an overwhelming majority iu the
country, ^t was natural, tlieretore, Mr.
Chairman, lat the friends of this policy
bliould be anxious for its introduction,
and it was pleasing and satisfactory to
Bee that even the Opposition vied with
the friends of the Government in
that anxiety. It is most encourag-
ing to me, because, of course, all
Oppositions are jwtriotic, and certainly a
patriotic Opposition, anxious for the in-
troduction of this measure, could not
have desired that a bad measure, and one
not calculated to benetit the country
should be forced hastily upon it. There-
fore, I take it for granted that, in addi-
tion to the support from the gentlemen
behind me, we shall have the supj)ort of
gentlemen opposite to our policy and the
propositions we are about to submit.

But, perhaps, it will not be out of place
for mo to offer a few remarks in justifi-
cation of the apparent delay that has
taken place. It will be remembered
that the Government was only formed on
tliC 1^

\j6wuvi:. a<jiii.s

plaoa in' awaiting thn arrival in Oanada
ot an hon. member, who, I am
hatislied, ii one whom, whatever th«
political opinions of gentlemen of thia
House may be, all wotdd havu b««a
unxi'iim t^j see connulted before the Gov-
ernment was termed — I mean the Min-
istjr of Militia. The Government, there-
fore, wiiH not completed till the lUth
October. The members of the Govern-
ment had to return for reelection, and
those elections, though they were hasten-
ed with all possible rapidity, because we
felt there wus a great deal cC work to be
done, were not over until the early part
ofNovoml)er, when wo returned to the
(Jity of Ottawa. And wliat did we find 1
As Minister of Finance, I cannot say I
found the finances in tl e most satis-
factory condition. [ found, Sir, that we
had maturing in Loudon, between the
early part ot November and the Ist of
January, an indebtedness of $15,500,000
with nothing to meet it but the prospeo
tive payment of the Fishery Award. On
this side of the Atlantic we had in the
various banks of the Dominion some-
thing like $5,000,000, and between that
date und the Ist of January, with the
subsidy of the Provinces and payments to
contractors who were confhucting public
works, something like $3,000,000 had to
be paid ; and then, considering the posi-
tion the banks were in all over the
Dominion, the uncertainty as to what
might transpire, it wivs just possible that
a reduction iu the reserves might take
place, and that meant a dciiiand on the
Dominion Treasury. Every dollar we
found it necessary to take from the banks
at the time was embarrassing, and was
reluctantly withdiawn. But it was in-
evitable that tiie Finance Minister should
proceed to London, with the least possible
delay, that arrangements might be made
to sustain the credit and the honour of
the Dominion, Well, Sir, in order
to avoid that, feeling the importance of
every member of the Government being
at his post in order to prepare
measures lor the meeting of Parliament,
a cable message was sent to our agents
on the othe" side to ask if the visit of
the Finance Minister to London ould
not be avoided. The answer was " No ;
his presence here is absolutely necessary."
Under these circumstances, I proceeded
tv xiondon, aixu a. plncvu a lutia uf

jeS.noO.OOO Bterling upon th« market
there.

Wliile reft'rring to that, it mij(ht
not be ont of pkce to offwr a few ohnor-
vationii in reference to that loan, an it
hail lte«>n criticinwl. 'ihiif, louti, as tlio
proHfMWtim showH, waa offHrcl to the
highest hidfler, anfl tendt'ra wore aaked
lip to 3 o'clock, on the flth Deceinhor.
At that hoiir, owing to a varioty of cir-
citmHtances — and among thorn I may
name the suapflnsion, on that chiy, of the
W^'Ht of England Bunk, and the antici-
pated 8iiH]>enHion of that l.atik fur HoycrnI
daya previous, which led to the demand
from the country Vianka on the
hanka in London, for gohl tr. Htrengthen
their poHition, and phicci' wvural of
theae London institntiona in aiich a
poHition that they conid not
tender, although thev had intended to do
HO at an earlier period — ahoiit XI, 700,000
only were tendered for, out of the
£3,000,000 ; and it was then statrd that
the loan would bo kept open till tlie fol-
lowing Monday, at 3 o'clock. On that
day, it waf announced tliat the balance of
the lot>,n had been taken, an'l I was in a
position to make my arrangements to
leave on tho 12th, having made provision
to meet our maturing indel)tednoss ; and
on the 13th of that month the first in-
Btalment on that loan was paid into tho
hands of our agents. Now, Mr. Speaker,
if there should be any further criticism
in this TTouse, or elsewhere, with refer-
ence to my absence from this country ; if
it should be said by any lion, gen-
tleman in this House that tho time se-
lected for placing that loan on the market
was an unfavourable one ; if it should be
said that it was the most unfavourable
time, looking at the condition of the
London money market, in which any of
the Dominion loans had been floated ; if
it is said that that loan should have been
floated in May or June, when money was
bringing but two per cent, instead of six
per cent, and seven per cent. — the rate
when it was negotiated ; if such should be
said, or any reflections be made with
reference to my absence in England, I
will ask my hon. friend — my predecessor
— to make my defence.

Then, Sir, after my return to
Canada, it became necessary that
we should consider the whole ques-
tion of the tari£ It im not a question

th«t can Vm settled in a day. Tt is not »
question that can be settled intelligently
in weeks, inde«*d it would hare iKHni well
if we could havo had moi-o time to con*
siller it than we have had, considering
the magnitude and im|)ortJince of the
work. 1 can ap|>eal to other Finance
Ministers, and especially to my immediate
IireclecesHor. who, in 1874, made several
changes in the tarifl" of that ilay, to speak
of the (lifflcultieH there are in making evon
as few changes as wer«) then made. But if
wo undermke, as the [iresent (lovernnient
have undertaken, to n ad just and reor-
ganize, and, T may say. make an entii-ely
now tariff", having for its objcet not only
the realization of li, 000,000 more
revenue than will be collected this year,
liiit, in addition to providing for that
deficiency, to adjust tho tariff with a
view of giving effc'ct to what has been,
ami is to-day, declared to bo tho j)olicy of
the maiority of this IIouso — I mean tho
protection of the industries of the coun-
try — the magnitude of the undertaking
will be tho l»etter apj)reciated. Sir, we
have invited gentlemen from all partfl of
tlio Dominion, and representing all in-
terests in the Dominion, to assist us in
the readjustment of the tariff", because wo
did not feel. — though perhaps we possess
an average intelligence in ordinary Gov-
ernment matters, — we did not feel
that wo knew everything. We did
not feel that we were prepared,
without advice and assistance from men
of experience with reference to
these matters, to readjust and make a
judicious tariff. We, thoreforo, invited
those who were interested in the general
interests of the country, or interested in
any special interests. Gentlemen who
took an opposita view, met us and
fliscussed these questions, and I may say
that, down to as late a period as yester-
day, though the propositions are sub-
mitted to-day, we were favoured with
the co-operation and opinion of gentle-
men who represent their particular or
general views with reference to the
great questions we have under considera-
tion. We have laboured zealously and
arduously, and I trust it will be found
successfully ; and we are now about to
submit our views for the consideration
of this House. I think we may appeal
with some degree of confidence to gentle-
men in. opposition, in approval of the early

peHoii nt whici) fhln Uriff In Wnf Ir-
tnxluciNl, w!i«>n I cull tu tho iiiiixU
of thonw hon. n»>nlli'n»'n that tln'ir
(lovnrnnient wnH furmi>t
ipeech until tht> Mtli of April, thin \mt\f^
,the Htli of March. Wli«n wti Hiihniit to
this House thi» rcHult of o'lr delilnMu-
tions, you will nil un(i«tiHttinnt of tho c:)nhidi)rutiun that
numt nt'ctwHiirily hiivti bi'on givt'n
to thnm. I truHt ihiit thin Ifouim and
tho country will fcol that w« lmv« pro-
iientt'd our views at as early a |«Miod um
l>oiiNi)iln, taking uU these facts into con-
sideration.

Now, Mr. CJiaiiman, I dcsiro to
call tho attention of the Hoiimo in
tho first placo to tho Ki^tiniutoH. I will
not occupy your attention with Mio ox-

[)enditure for tho years 1877-78. That
8 hofoi-o you in the Puhlio Accounts.
Rut I desire to call tin* attcuit'on of the
House, in tho first placo, to a fow facts
with reforonco to tho oxpoiidituros for
this year It will ho borno in niiml. Sir,
that in tho Estimates sulmiittod by our
prodt'ccshorH last year of tho income and
expenditure of tli(< pivHont year, tho esti-
mated income oicooded slif^'htly the esti-
mated expenditure. Tho estimated
expenditure in round numbers was
$23,000,000. It will bo found the expen-
diture of this year will exceo<l .f 24.00i>,UOO.
Tho Supplonnntary Estimatos that
I will submit to tho Ifouso in a fow
days will be for Dominion Lands, $7,000;
Po'sL Office Department, $20,000 ; Public
Works, revenue, that is railroad, $180,000
in excess of the estimates, notwithstand-
ing tho efforts that have boon made, and
are being made, and will continue to be
made, by tho hon. the Minister of Public
Works to reduce that expenditure. For
Customs, in addition to the estimates
of last year, a subsequent estimate of
$17,740 will be required for the oxi)onses
of collecting revenue ; Mounted Police,
$40,000 ; Indians under treaty arrange-
ment, $44,674 ; Ocean and River Ser-
vice, $19,770 ; Public Works and Build
ings, $116,386; Militia (special),
$20,261. This is in connection with the
troubles that occurred in Montreal.
The Paris Exhibition, $25,000 ; Charges
of Managoiucnt, which were omitted in

the RstfmktM of lait ymr, $76,000, knd
N*hich was in connwtion with the r»»
demption of tho dent of $7,500,000 ;
Klotition «)xpviuioi, Id aiidition to thA
votf that WM nUMk, 100,000 ; Peniten-
tiarie.s, $12.J^00 ; Sundry Minor Kx-
|M'ns«'s, $l(t,000, nutking altogether,
$654,424 ; lew Public Work* revote,
carried over to \m ex[ionded next year,
$l63,()()0;on other services, $7R,000,
making a total of $238,000, and leavinij
tho su|)plenientary eHtimHt««d ex|)endU
tur«>, ever and above tint estimates of last
year, $41'i 124. This, a.lded to the estl-
fiiat»!S, makes the total estimttt<«(| oxjM'n-
dituro of $24,085,424. Kstiamted
revenue for tho prrsent year, taking th«
tii-st six months us our guide, and it is a
very fair guide, untler ordiiuiry circum-
stances, will be ^21,<>20,0(>0. Now, Mr.
Chairman, it will a|)pear from the
returns that will be laiil on tho table of
tho House, that in tho last three
or four weeks a very large sum
has been collected on Customs and
ICxcise. This arises from tho »n-
ticipated changes ia tho tariff. Hut,
taking, as pi-eviously stated, tho first six
months as a criterion, tho estimated
revenue will bo .J2l,62l),()00, leaving a
deficiency of $2,400,000. This ia not
very encouraging for the present year.
Last year, as yju see by the Public
Accounts, tho deficiency was between
$1,100,000 and $1,200,000. Notwith-
Htamli:"; all the etlbrts that havt) been
made, the saving that will be nnido in
tliH Agricultural Department, the saving
that will be made by the Minister of
Public Works in connection with tho
railways, and the savings that have been
made by tho removal and disnus.sal of
Hupornumorary employes in the different
Departments — notwithstanding all this,
there will still bo a doticioncy of
$2,400,000.

Now, I will call the attention
of tho Houso for a few moments to
the Estimates of next year. .., those
are before the House, I can deal more
intelligently with thom and call attention
to the increase and decrease under these
estimates. In tho interest on the public
debt, you will find that there is a very
considerable increase. The increased in-
terest is payable in England, in conse-
quence of the last loan. Tho estimated
amount for the new loan placed

ill iMt yenr'ii ErtisittM whm #n04 000
ChArKCM of ManM(t««tnrnt, »Mi(i in Kng
Una |«(),(K)0, letM MvinKii |6,6«M) ;
toUl iriiirwuMfl in thw CJmmw of Mmmgn
inmit, |A3,600. There ia iin nii.uunt,
miiUr this ImwI t}i«t in |mviiliiit
in cionnfotion with fh« iiMl*>ni|ificm of thn
ilnht of ««,000,00(>, on fhi. l*t JumiHty
n«xt, iinil thJM oorn*Mpoiiilii(l with thn
it«m oniitf.'.l litnt yvuv, in n)iiiu«.lioii
with th« ...|,.„i|.tioi» ot |7,ftU0,(i('U in
Jikiiiiiiry liiMt.

Mk. (!AI{T\VHU»HT: I um vmv
•orry to ilimioncerw the hon. g«n.
tlenmn, tinlfHM with hiM ptTmiH^ion. If
Miy niHnioiy MnvfH m\ it nmy Inlfiimt
the lIoiiHo to know cxmlly how ihiMo
two heavy ihiiiKL'H on thn ihdit which he
|>iti<l,unil in uhoiit to pay, hii<'«nicfiin'i|,
I wouhl jiiHt Ml.^^.<Ht that lio ahoiihl
ni»'nlion that to the II(»uh«.

Mr. 'I'lIJ^KY eontinuin)^, w«nt into un
eluljoiato Btatwint'nt of th« i'HtiniHt<'«l
expenditure for IH7l)h() Hhewing u nist
deoniMe of if^tl.iyi. H<. also went
into the oljligation« to In- met, mul
proved that a deficiency of 61,<)0(>,()(K)
Woi.id have to ho met, even Mhoiiiii the
$860,000 eHlimated aH properly Ijehm^ing
to next year'H roveniio, be phiced to tlie
credit of tho current year. lie con-
tinued : In my opening re-narkM, I re-
ferred to tho dirtieully with which we
have to gra|)plo. Wo uiuHt, if we nu'»«t
the expenditure of next year, our intor-
CHt, the charj(eH upon our revenue, and
the necessary expenditiuo wiiich the
country hns a right to expect, ask from
this I!)U8o tho authority to rttceivo a
revenue from tlie custoniH ef i8-J,00(),()()()
more than received this jear.
We have also, in arranging for
the levying of that duty, to consiihu-
how it can host \m imposed to encourage
the industries of the country.

It would he well, before I enter upon the
considemtiou of this part of the (piestion
to ask ourselves what an; tho circumstan-
ces that have led to tho reduction of
revenue und to the present deprcs,wd
condition of the country 1 With
reference to the reduction of the revenue,
I have heard it remarked that it is
strange that that reduction of late years
has been so great. Perhaps there is as
much prosperity here as in many other
parts of tho world ; then why was there
such a faliiiig oil in OUT reveaue coDipttiwd

witl iiic rttvmntHi of th«» TTnltid itettf
and Cirrnt ItritHin t When w«t i«xiiinln«
th«t mw, w« MM'tTtMin tfn> fttet thnt nfiirly
kII the revettue colliTttHl in Kn^hiud and
tt IntKn |)urtion of tha n>vi«nii" of th«
Unitml IHtiiti'iii in fntni «jM!«riHn dutitni,
■md, thi<ri<for«, th(^ dei ii'tiM. ii ilm vahi*
of imiiortN diMMi not, in \\umx lonntrimi,
materially affect the revHnufl, wheri»iMi in
the Dominion the dutieii are piineipulljr
ml viihtrtiin, and, therefore, larnely iifrected
liy fhe decreaiMt in the value of g«XMl«
iin|M>rte'l. It in entabliithed by !oni|Mi.
rutive NtutementN that the gnodN 1 fwrted
into the l)ominion have t|eereuii<>d in
value to the extent of 'M\ to 40 |kt
cent, and the dutieit tm thoNe importii
iM'ing levied hirtfelv on the ml rtjitmin
principle, there Iihn be»m a falling off in
the revenues of the Dominion in a con-e*.
pondiim proportii a. In the pir,;HMi.
tiorm I am ul>out to make, it will bo
Mhown— and I state thin fact in
oriler that the Houte nuiy perfectly
understand th« nature and extent
of those propositiona — that on many
articles on which we protKMte an
increase of duty, 'IT, |)er cent., levied on
the value, will not bring more jwr yard
than we received ovi a If) per cent, tariff

in 187:J. W
ti<m, take 10.
1873 at 81 a k,
it would h.
cloth is von
and it would i
cent, to produce
received from the mm.

b'- vav of iilustra-

cloth, valued in

"ty coIle(,i,ed on

The Hamo

'. per yard,

of 28 |H>r

of revenue

.ity in 187.3.

It is important to bear this fact in mind ;
l-ecause, while it may be tlumght on tho
other side of the Atlantic, and by our
neighboui-s, that we are increasing largely
our taxation, and imposing increased
duties on the products of other countrioa,
it is wtdl to make it understood that, if
our duties had been specitic, we should
have been receiving the same amount of
reveni>.> as in 1873. There are other
difficulties: the volume of imports has
not much diminished. Regarding the
matter as I do, I think it is to be re-
gretted that the volume of imports haa
not been materially reduced. I look
u|)on the large imports, ever since the
Dominion was organ ir-d, showing a large
balance of trade against it, as one of the
causes of tho troubles with which wo
iiuv« to contend — one of the diUicaltiss

^•* It lionr fittty, If |wwriM*, te ffimt>Aj.
Thujr hitvA \>*-«n clwrrimiiig to ft wrtain
MUmt, hut »r»» «till vnry Urf(n, •howin<
dlntinetlr »ml cl«M4rly, In my Jiiiliimimt,
th»t th«3r cMiKhl atilt to Iki fur-
thnr iliminUhiHl. I kiinw thMr* bp»
hon. K«f>t'«*»n«n l>"i*i •ntl i»lii«wh«irt',
vr»jo •nlwrtHin th* opinion th»t tht.
b«liinc« l^ctwi'wn th»< im|M)HN nnri ««|iortH
! not « cori^ct n..M|« of jii<l((inK of th«
condition of a «?«>iiniry. I knov that
opinirn i« «nti'rt«inml ityhon. Kftntleni^n

Op|MMit««. Hut Itut UN, juitt fur » fhW

mf»ni«»nt»i. ttirn our nttrtntion to th« con-
dition vhii'h KntfUncj oociipirn to-iJHT, RH
comnnriwl with th»' TTnitwl HtHli«N. From
lSfl7 to 1 H73. tln« SnhuK-n of trwl«> flKHinxt
KnffliHul nn)ount«H|, in thn uviTajre, to
XnO.Onn.noO Nterling. It. in qtiitn trim
that (liffprnnrw wtvn mot hy in»i»n'«t,
tho n<turn!i from hnr v M««iH, unil in
varioun wiiyii, • an «'xt«'nt larKPly co '
tflrltnlnni'inar it. or Ii'Hvinjj a iMiliuicn in
favour of FJnKlnn<l. Hv tlif) laNt ii»turn I
hiivo, wh!"h fovi<ni <•"' y<Mir IH77, tlio
baliinro o» tnul« n^jnin'tt h«r in wliown to Im
XI 40.000,000 iitflrlinK, or $700,000,000
l^r ypiif. Thft hiilnnoo "f tradf aj^iinnt
the TTnitfrl StatoH in 1H72 waH
fllfi. 000,000 ; in 1873 it wan rcduoml to
$Ofi, 000,000 ; but iHHt u'alt'ndar ynar
Hhowpd that halanre in favour of t»'«
United StatM had r.'afhod 1.300,(100,000
a year. T think, thon. without i-ntorinx
Into a dincunmon hero of Fr«'o 'i'rad« and
Prot<»ction, bo fur as it afP'-'ts KuKJiind
and the ITnit^-d ScatiH, wo may fairly con-
clude that the proRppritv of the one
country, at this motnont, in o'KiHf'd in a
grpat measuro hy the hirjro HurI>liiH in its
favour, and the doprcHsion in the other
hy the larjije deficiency. Under these
circumstanceH, it appears tome we should
turn our attention to the hest means
of redi.eing the volume of our imports
fmm all parts of the world.

Tjet mo refer to some circumstanceR that
led to the present deproHsion in the levo-
nue. During and after the war in the
Uni!»d States, it is well understood that
that country lost a large po»'tion of its
export trade, ai.d its manufacturing indus-
tries were to a certain extent paralyzed ;
and it was onlv al)Out 1872 or 1873 that
they really commenced to restore thoir
manufacturing industries, and endeavour-
ed to find an extended market elsewhere

T.Tlnf M WD «tA a^tmpAA* ttint grtmi
roiinlry, wt> were lookwl u[H)n a* « iltair^
uhlii murkiit for th»ir aurpluN |>rtMl'>>t%
unci mir Ami^itwn n^iffhlmnm, nlwart
c'>ni|Mit«>nt to iudRw of th«ir own lnt«rMit«
•ind M« wi*>!y in rKfiinl tu th«n>, ptjt
forth mrwrr effort to obtain aerem to our
market. It U wpII known hv the term
xliiughterniarket what they have hMQ
doiiig for the last four or Ave yenrii In
Canada ; that In «»nler to And an outlet
lor their MurpluN mannfnrtureH, they
have l»e«n wilting to wnd them into thia
coun^'T itt any price that *oiild l»e »
little )>elow that of the ranndian manu-
facturer. It \n w,>|| known aiKo that
thev have had their iigentn in r very part
of the Dominion »<'eking purchaoers for
their surplus, and that t»',*e ajrenta
have l)een enabled, under our existing
lawn, to enter those goo in the place
oi' puirhiise. It ii* well known, moreover,
thai the Unit»d States novernment, In
order to encourage sprvial it.terests in
that country, granted a Imuntv ufton
certain manufnctureM, „nd h ^pivo to thera
the exclimi-'e maikf-t of the Dominion,
and, under those circumstances we have
lost a \ci . important trade, itoMesned
previous to 1873. In addition to
the loHfi of the West India trade,
1)V the rejMml of the 10 per
cent, duty on tea, we lost the
dir<K't tea tnule, and all the advan-
tages rcHulting from it. ..v its transfer
f<om the Dominion to New York and
Boston. Unil,.r all those circumstances,
and with the high duty imposed by the
United States on the agricultural' pro-
ducts of vho Dominion, bv which wo are,
to a great extent, excluded from them,
while the manufactures of that country
are forced into our market, we could not
exi)ect proBperity or success in the Domi-
nion, so long as that state of things cen-
tiniied. These are some of the difficulties
which have led to our present state of
affairs.

Now, afte.' having made these few
remarks on that head, T desire to call
the attention of the ITpuse to the
remedy. I know this is a difficult ques-
tion — that it is the opinion of some
hon. members, that no matter what
proposition you may make, .-,• what
legiSttttioa yott iutroduce, it Q«Quot''iiu-

pmT«* or Inr mum th» pnwp*rit7 ^ ^•'
etmntry. 'lti« Ooftmin^ut Mii«rt«ln «
tlitfMrvnt opinion. t mmy My, nt iLm
oulMH, it would h«vfl bm u much mur«
•KTWNibtn if wr oouUl hMv« met

Uin ItuUMI Withv it til« IWCOMltj

of int'iofiiifd tMiAtiun. Hut in tbn
imiMitiuioii of th« clutitM WM «ro now nLoiii
to Mk thi« Houiw to im|)OMi, it may l<<^
fttid we iihiili r«.t>ive from thn tin|Hiitii
from furtvi^ti r<(imtrt«>ii a lur^tir |M)t'ti( ii of
thti #J,UO(l,0(MI w«( r«<.juin« tluui *<• .1 .11
mcatvn (rom th«) Morhi't' < 'oiitidy. I li«>
licvaauch wi*l \m> Uh' < li.rt, bui 1 thiitk
tlint ill iiiHlcirii^ Mtuli it i.ii< nn'iit tiin-
try ihiit nwi'ivw our niitiintl prtxIuirM
without liny tMXHtum, ^vitrytlung wtt
h«ve to B«ni(i to h«ir — K|>Hrt from our
><fttlonal ftniliugN, I Uiiiik 'hiH Hoiihu will
Ik •' object if, in tlxi pri>|H)Nir,ionM l)«>roru
Dit th^^y touch nioru hvuvily thu in ^ n'tM
frwt : for«<ign counlru-ii than from our
Fttthorlnnd. I liuvu thin to Nuy to oar
AnoirirHU frittmU: In IHOfi thoy Hhrogiitt*il
tli« H«t'i|ir«x'ity I'rBHty, uiiii from Unit dny
to th« |iri)H(ui* tt largo (turtion of thn im-
: rtM from that country into thu Domin-
ion havd lioen admitt<>d fntc. W« iiiiv«)
ho|»)<l, but ho|M)d in vnin, thiit by tlio
adoption of that policy we would load our
AniHrican friendit to treat uit in a nioro
liltoral spirit with r«)gar<l to tho Hamo
articloH. Woll, id'tcr havim; waited
twolvo yearH for tho cjnHidoration of tluH
mibjoct, tho Gttvornmont r<'<juiring more
revenuo, liuvo detoriuincd to awk thin
liouNe to impoHo upon tho pro<luctH of
the United IStalcH that have been frtio,
■uch a duty aa may soeni consiHtent with
oiir jKwition. liut the Uovornmeat
couple wi'h the propoHal, in order to
Hhow that we approach this quoHtion
with no unfriendly spirit, a reaulu-
tion that will bo laid on the table
containing a propoHition to this ett'ect :
That, an to articloH named, which are
the natural products of tho country,
iiicluding lumber, if the United StatoH
take off the dutioH in part or in whole,
wo are prepared to meet them with equal
concedHions. The Govn-nment lieliove in
a recipr'jcity tarifF, yet may diHcuHH Free-
trado or Protection, but the question of
to-day is — Shall we have a reciprocity
tariff, or a one-sided tariff 1
Xhs GuVwuiiitsub

liropvus

UI uo

tb«

utur^ W* Imd Boi hma long

MlviMn or Hit l&s«<UMi9y

w« imUtd tiMi H VM of ilM

utmoat im|i(>rtanM lo utMui oar tndt

with t»i-. Hriliiih »nMibln, with Nouth
AiiMTJ.a, Hnd that w« ■huuld WH-uir, if
iK)iwib|i>, thfl ailmiaaion of our »in\m into
rrancc* at thu aanm mtn of duty aa ia
• l.argnd-ifion Hritiah-bidltkhifM. Turning
tbt'ii ■ttt«nti<m t«> '.h'« aubjnct, th'iy
l^'"l Ilia K«M'il«»nr> Ui n|i|N)int Hir
AI.XHiidnr (Jalt, on« of the ablnat atatwi.
ni«'n in tho Dominion -a xtmtlomar, wh'Nia
••xpon"n.i. Ill ,, „!...» loM with tho Hiianui<a
ot thm ciiuiiti V, nil.) wIkmo knowiiHli^o of
ita t>aiJo and comnion^o caiirot b« aur-
paiwod i>y any, aa a dologata to confor
with tho (iovornmi>nt of H|Htin, and with
the aiithoritjoB in the Brit'sli Weat India
I»tlaiulM, ami aNNOciat«Nl with him Colonel
Hornanl, aa 'iNaiatant commiaaioiior. I
think that this tioitae wil> atiatiin the
action of tho Oovernmont in thia mv^ter.
Thoaogentlonn.n wont to Mailrid, •.*.(.»»
approval of tho Uritiah author . a, to
make arraiigomonta with the Hpaniah
Uovornment to opon up a trade with the
H|»aniah VVoht Indioa. Tho iiapiia on
thia :niiijuct wo would glaiily lay tiofore
tliti Hoim" but kit thia timo it would not be
oxpedien^ to do so. In viaiting Kngland,
my colloaguoB aiitliorizod me to com-
muiii aU- with tho Imperial Uovernment
and aHcortain if aomo arraiigementa miglit
not bo made, through their Aliniati'r in
i'aria, for tho admiaHion of our ahipa at
two francH |H!r ton, the aamo ah paid by
th« Itritiah builder. Finding my time
waa limited and that it wis neces-
aary to return immediately, I atatod to
tho Sccretaiy of State for tho Colonies
the iiaturo of tho duties impowd ujion
me by the Government. 1 asked his
pi-rmission to charge Sir Alexaudor
Gait with thin duty also. It was
agroeil to, and he has made some progress
in those negotiations. I trust Iwfore
oiig to be able to submit the whole cor-
rcHpondonce with reference to this matter
for the information of the House. But,
Sir, we des'red not only to extend our
trade with those countries, wo felt that it
was necessary to protect ourselves in other
directions. We found, Sir, »s I stated
before, that it was important to encour-
age tho exportation of our manufactures
to foreign countries, aad jn ure pr pared

now to tiAj that the policy of the Gov-
ernment is to give every nianufueturer in
the Dominion of Canada a drawbuck on
the duties they may pay upon goods UHed
in the manufactures of the Domin-
ion exported. Wo found also, Bir,
as I have aiready pointed out, that
under the bounty system of some foreign
countries, our sugar-retining trade, and
other interests, were materially affected.
Well, Sir, the Government have decided
to ask this House to impose countervail-
ing dtities under such circumstances.
I trust that this proposition will receive
the support of both sides of the House,
because some six months since, when the
deputation of sugar refinei-s in London
waited upon Mr. Gladstone and Sir
Stafford Northcote, both af them being
gentlemen representing Free-trade views,
they declared, in the most emphatic terms,
that when a Government came in and
thu" interfered with the legitimate trade
of t. e country they were prepared to
impose countervailing duties. To make
this matter plain, and place it beyond
difpute, the Govemmen t propose to ask
the House tor autliority to collect on all
such articles an ad valorem duty, on their
value iriespective of drawbacks. My col-
leagues say explain it. For instance, a
cent and a quarter drawback i)er pound
is grar.t'd on cut nails exported to the
Domiiion of Canada ; the duty will be
calculated on the value of the nails, irre-
spective of that drawback. Now a
bounty is given on sugar in excess of the
duty which is paid by the sugar refiners ;
the Government will exact an ad valorem
duty, on the value of that sugar irrespec-
tive of the drawback. I may also state,
Mr. Chairman, that another i-eason why
I think our American nei:^hbours should
not object to the imposition of the duties
wo propose is this : It is a fact, though
not generally known, that the average
percentage of revenue that is imi)osed on
all imports intotheDominionof Canada, at
the present time, taking the returns lor
last year as our criterion is 13| per
cent. The amount of duty collected on
the imports from Great Britain is a
fraction under 17| per cent. ; while the
amount of duty collected on the imports
froiii the t-' iiitcu otates ' ?, a iraction
under 10 per cent. If our friends across
the border will not give us the Recipro-
city Treaty again, they cannot find any-

tliing to'objoct Ho in the imposition" of
these duties, if they bear a little mora
heavily on the articles imported fmm
that country than they desire. When I
state that the imports entered for con-
sumption from Great Britain amounted
in 1878 to $37,431,000, and in 1873 to
$03,000,000, or nearly double ; the im-
ports in 1877 S from the United States
were $48,631,739. and for 1873-'4
$54,283,07*3, it will be seen there has
been a slight falling-off; while, from
England, it has Ijeen about one-half,
under the operation of the present tariff.
But, Sir, the House is more interested
in the nature of the proposals wp are
about to submit than in the statements I
have just made. Before I come to that,
Sir, it is the first opportunity that has
been afforded me of saying a few words
to my hon. friend my immediate
predecessor. I know this subject is not
of such importance as to justify me, at
this time, in occupying niiich of the
time of the House, but I must
take this opportunity of thanking
my hon. fi-iend the member for Cumber-
laud, who, in my absence, so eloquently
defended my policy of 1873, who so ably
met the statements made by my hon.
predecessor. I recollect that, on a similar
occasion, perhaps the first in which he
bad addressed the House as Finance
Minister, he regretted that there had not
been on the floor of the House a gentle-
man who had been a Finance Minister
belonging to the other side. I felt, Sir,
after readin., the speech of my hon.
friend from Cumberland (Mr. Tu))per),
that if it had been in the j)ower of my
hon. friend from Centi-e Huron (Mr.
Cartwright) to have translated my hon.
friend to Fredericton, and brought me
back, he would have willingly made the
exchange. I think so. But what did
my hon. friend (Mr. Cartwright) do
when he visited my constituents last sum-
mer 1 He, no doubt, desired to enlighten
them. But I may be pardoned in say-
ing I judged that one of his objects was
to secure the defeat of some of the candi-
dates, ra^ self amongst the nimiber. I
recollect that he referi-ed to the fact — and
he .s]ioke of it as my crowning offence —
that 1. as Fiaanee Miuisitcr, in 1873,
had brought uown Supplementary Esti-
mates $800,000 or $900,000 in excess of
the estimated receipts. I recollect the

manner in whicli ho dwelt upon this; the
■trong way in which ho endeavou'-eil to
impreaa on the minil of my constituencf
what u ^roat offender I had been, amJ
that thifl was iry crowning offence. Sir,
he might have told that immense gather-
ing that I, at the time, stated that the
fistimates w<!re then, as they were oa
previous years, largely in excess
of Uie sum that woulu probably
l»e expended. Ife might have told
them that it was probable the re-
ceipts w nld bo am|)le to cover the ex-
penditure, and that I stated that should
not such be the cose, the $800,000, the
anticipated surplus of the then current
year, would be amply sufficient to meet
the deficiency. He might have said that.
lie might, -Sir, have gone on and told
them, " though Mr. Tilley has been such a
blunderer, I, the Minister of Finance,
have, for four years in succession, had
a large deficiency. I made no pro-
vision for it." He might have pointed to
the fact that, when the late Government
were in power, they had a surplus of
$10,000,000, which the deficiencies under
the present Government during the last
fon- years had reduced to $3,000,000,
their deficiency being $7,000,000 during
the last four years, — taking the whole
six years about $5,000,000. But, I
will say this, because I do not want
to decry the credit or the standing of the
Dominion : that we are in a position to
■tate that, taking the whole twelve years
into account since the organization of
this Dominion ; taking our surplus of
twelve years ; taking the amount of
$500,000, which had been charged im
properly to income, that ought to have
l'«en charged to railways, and adding the
$4,500,000 received from the fishery
award, and deducting the deficiency, it
will be shown there has been a surplus
<jvfir and above the expenditure amounting
to $10,000,000, or nearly so, which shows,
despite what has occuri-ed during the last
three or four years, tlu.t this Dominion
has life and vitality if its affairs are pro-
peiiy administered. 1 will go, if my
hon. friend will permit me, in imagina-
tion with him to his constituency on the
17th of September. I will meet him there,
on his return from Kingston, whero he
was engaged ia a work to him. nndnuht.
a labour of love.

Some Hon. GENTLEMEN : Succcs.?-
ful labour.

Mit. TILLEY : Wliore he found that,
for the first time in his public life, th»
constituency that had stood by him — no
matter what side of politics ho was on-
had deserted him, and T can see him as he
receives his telegraams later on, finding
that one friend after another has fallen,
and that the Government is in a terrible
minority — I can imagine. Sir. that I can
see him pacing the floor, greatly agitated,
and saying : " Well, this is terrible ; this
is hard." I can see him a little after with
his countenance somewhat more placid
and resigned. I can hear him exclaim-
ing, as he has been thinking over the de-
ficiencies for the last four years, and tho
condition of the finances, — I can hear
him say aloud : " Well, terrible, terrible
as has been the judgment, looking at it
in the light in which I judged my
j)olitical opponents, the verdict in
just !" Now, Sir, we may have 80.ne other
opportunities of considering the pjiat, but
the country is looking to the future ; in
looking for something more than badin-
age or recrimination between the two
sides of the House, and asking : What
are you going to give us as a remedy for
all the evils existing 1 The anxiety of
tho Opposition for this remedy appears
so great. The leading organ cries : " Let
us have it now !" and it is echoed
from hill-top to valley. They wanted it
"now " ; they could not wait a day for it ;
they were so anxious to get it, I hope it
will be pleasing to them and to the.
whole country.

I may say, at the outset that,,
in considering this question of the
tariff and protection to our indus-
tries, tho Government considered how
they could best discharge their duty to-
the Dominion ; how they could best ao-
complish the object the country desired
to see accomplished. We might obtain
two railiion dollars by the imj)osition of
duties upon certain articles, and appear
to give protection, but in reality give
none whatever. We might obtain a re-
venue from the increased duties, but not
place it in such a position as to give real
encouragement and protection to the in-
dustr'os we desire to protect. And,
therefore, Sir, in arriving at the conclu-
sions at which we have arrived, and
Vr'i,i.?n are to be aubmittcd to the House
we submit them wioh the full conviction
that they ^vill be effective in their
o

character, and give timplo pro-
tection to all who are tiueking it., ai>J who
lave u riglit to expect it. I
fear that I may weary tho ]):iticuce of
the Jloiiso, but really the importaiico of
the subject ia «uch tha), if I am tediaua,
you will pardon rue, for I de.siro to bo hh
clear as poss'ible. The tariif i« ia a
somewhat voluminous form, and I can
only give extracts from it in order to
show the general changus wo liavo made.
Si.ll, I have classed them under different
heads in order the more intelligently to
explain it to the liouse, and I exi>ect that
to-morrow morning hon. members will
have tho resolutions in printed form.

Mr. MACKENZIE : AVe shall keep
very quiet.

iln. TILLEY : T hope you will. I
propose to deal lirst with cotton goods,
and I may say here, before reading the
Bchedulo I have Ixjfore me, that the prin-
ciple tho Government has adopted with
respect to many of these articles, is this :
That where there are certain gi-adea or
descriptions of manufactures, the policy
of the CJovernment is this : To select for
a higher rate of duty those that are man\i-
factured, or can be manufactured, in tho
country, and to leave those that are not
made in tho country, or likely to bo
made in the country, — such as printed cot-
tons, — at a lower rate of duty. It is
dilEcult, in some descriptions of goods, to
<lraw the line and make distinction.
With reference to cotton goods wo have
but little ditliculty in doing it. There are
ccrtiiin portions m,>do here, and cert,ain
portions that are not made hero, and a
li'.ie can be clearly and distinctly di-awn.
Tho proposition of the Government with
reference to these goods, is as follows : —
Cotton wool, cotton waste, free ; and 1
may state, for tho ir.forniation of hon.
men)bers, they must not suj)|t0He that the
free goods named hero are all that are in
the list ; but, in order to bring it intelli-
gently under the particular class of which
1 am speaking, where a pu'tlon is free
and a portion paying duty, I introduce
the free goods with that list, but it is
eeparate and distinct by itself. Bleached
or luibleaclied cottons, sheetings, drills,
ticks, cotton and Canton flannel.?, nob
stained or printed, one cent, per sijuare
yard, and i.j per cent, ad valornm.

Now upon the question of under-valua-
tion I .'Jiay say a few words. One of tho

great diflicnlticH that was pointed out to
tho Government by every delegation waa
tho unuer-valuatiop of goods, and I
timy Ktate hero that tho Govern-
ment will ask you for a, vote of
money to enable them to overcome thia
ditliculty, and they will also ask yon for
power and authority, Ruch as the United
Htates lias, and exercises to-tlay, to fix
through their officers, tho valuo of
the goods in t.io country from whence
they are imported. The great difficulty
I have pointed out is stated on all hands ;
it makes but little difference what the
rate of duty you impose, unless you
prevent tho under valuation. Now, wa
l)ropooe a])pointing additional officora,
whose specijil business it will bo to
ascertain, in the different coun-
tries, what the value of tho gocds
are in that country or the city from
whence they are imi)orted| and
to impose the duty on those values, and
to collect them. But, notwithstanding
that, there will be a difficulty, and to
obviate that difliculty, and to reach
certain special classes of goods, it has
l)een considered desirable, v.'ith these par-
ticuhir industries, to place on them, both
a s[)ecific and ad valorem duty.

Under these circumstances, we have
decided that, in resijcct to this
class of goods, Ic. iwr yard, and
in per cent, ad valorem should be
imposed. On all cotton sheeting, drill-
ings, bed-tiekings, plaids, cotton and
Canton flsinnels, tickings and drills, dyed
or coloured, pantaloon stuff and goods of
that description. 2c. per square yard,
and 15 per cent, ad valorem. These are
articles, tho value of which is well
k..own in the trade, and wo impose
si)eciiic and ad vidorem duties.

Mu. MACKENZIE : Can the hon.
gentleman give us tho values of thosa
two classes ]

Mr TILLEY : I have the ratea
here, and shall be able to inform
the House when wo come to them.
On all cotton batting, wai'ps, carpetings,
knitting cotton, and ot'ier cotton yarns,
under No. 40, not bleached, dyed or
coloured, 2c. per yard, and 15 per
cent. uaI valorem ; on tho same, if
bleaclied, dyed or coloured, 3o.
per pound, and 1.') per cent, ad valorem;
on cotton warp, on denims, lo,
per yard, and 15 per cent, ad

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vaiorem; on cotton bigH, L'c. jicr
poiiiul, and 15 |»or cent. «,/ valorem ; on
•cotton Khirts and (Irawcra, woven or
niotlo witli cotton, 30 i)or cent, ad mlo-
r«m ; cotton sewing tLreadH, ll!.V ner
cont. ; on sjjooIh, 20 jwr cent. ; on ,ill
«k)thln.^» wado witlj cotton, or of
whicJi cotton is a component part, 30
per cent. ; on all nmnufacturos of cotton,
not clsewlioro KiK-citicd, and wLich come
mainly from England, and wliicli wo do
ncc nu>ke in this country, 20 per cent.
I may stjite here, at the outset, tl)at it Is
the intention of the; Goverum'ent to in-
crease the 17i per cent, list, aa a
whole, to 20 per cent., being
goods that Will yi(.ld, notwithstanding
the articles tliat uro taken out of the
!ist, an increa.so of, jierhaps, %':750,00O
out of the $2,000,000 required.

We now come to silk.i : Silks, raw,
or, if reeled from the cocoon, not
inanufacturtKl from bilk yarns, l."i
per c(ml. ad valvrem; sewing silk
and .alk twist, 25 per cent.;
on silk velvets and manufactures,
of whidi Gilk is a component part,
not elsewliore speciiied, ZO per cent, ad
valorem. Ne.xt in tlie list are leather
manuf^ictures : On sole leather, tanned
or rough and uadre^.ied, and on morocco,
10 per cent, ad valorem; on sole and
toclting l(>ather, tanned, and on all upper
leatJier, not otiiorwiso specified, 15 j)er
cent «</ valorem ; on the sa/ue dressed
and harness, 20 ])er cent, ad valorem ; on
patent and enamelled leather, 20 per
cent. ; on all other kather and skins,
tanned, not otherwise herein provided for,
«nd on leatlier belting, boots and slioesi
und on other manufaetuies not otherwise
provided fur, now I7i percent., will be
ii.J per cent. ; gloves "of leather, 25 per
cent ; leather board, 3 ceais per pound.
Marble in sto. ., or inarblo iu block,
rough on two sidea, when n..t specially
shaped, containing 15 cubic feet, or ui)
^vards, 10 per cent. ; slabs, sawn on not
more than two sides, 15 percent. ; planks
and ehvbs, sawn on more than
two sides, 20 per cent.; on
finished marble, mantels of mar-
ble, and imitation marble, nut elsewhere
6}>eeih(.-a, 25 per «!ut. ad vwhwem ; on
Btone, rougl), freestone, sandstone and
other stones, excepting marble, per ton
ot 13 cubic feet, $1 ; on curb stone, in
the rough, |1.50 per ton; on water

Itniestono, $1 per fon ; on dr.;K3ed free-
stone, building stono and all manufac-
tures of stone, 20 p(,-r cent, ad valorem;
slate for roofing or slate-slabs, Kfpiuroand
not specially staU'd, 20 {xsr cent, ad vol-
orem ; scIuhjI and writing slates, 25 per
cent. ; slate mantels, .30 per cent. ; brickn
for l.iiihling, 20 per cent. ; fire bricks or
tiles for stoves and ftrnaces, 20 percent.;
hydraulic or water lime, ground, includ-
ing barrels, 40 eente per barrel ; lloman
cement, 20 )ier cent, ad valorem ; drain
pi{)es, 20 per cent., ad valorem. Now I
eonie to another item that i.s, in some re-
spects, in the same position as cotton
goods, that is, et-itlienware and stone-
ware, brown and coloured, and Rocking-
ham waie. That is an article made ex-
tensively in tlie Dominion of Canada. It
is a coarse ware, but is manufactured
extensively iu this country, and all
we require can be produced in the
Dominion. It is projmsed to eelect
those articles that wo can produce, and
to impose a duty of 25 per cent, en
earthenware and stoneware, and on O.C.-
ware, an ad valorem duty of 30 jTer
cent., wliile all otiier cliina and porce-
lain, and imports of that kind, come
under the ctitegory of uiienumerated arti-
cl(;s at 20 [ler cent. Gypsu.n, nnground,
free ; gypsum, or plaster of Pari.^, ground,
20 {)er cent, ad valorem.

Now I come to cx)al and
We propo.se that anthracite
should pay a duty of 50c.
ton ; bituminous coal, 60c, per

coke,
coal
per

ton

and coke, 50c. per ton—meaning »
short ton of 2,000 pound.s. In deal-
ing with tliis matter, the Govern-
menC had to consider wliat, in tlieir
judgment, would give barely the market
of the Dominion to the coal deposits of
Nova Scotia, because tliey are' jjiinci-
pally there. We know that, upon this
subject, there has bwiu some conflict of
opinion ; but the judg.iient of the Gov-
ern.nent is that, while th^ uA'erage im-
port of coal into the Don,inion of Canada
during the last few years has been from
800,000 to i)00,000 tons, and while the
anthracite coal will continue to be
largely imported, the Nova Scotia co.al
will take the place of a i)art of it. In the
estimates of the Government, out of the
800,000 or 900,000 tons now imi>orted
probably there will still be 350,000 tou^
of anthracite, and perhaps 150,000 tons

of bituiianoiis Htill importod, giving to
tho Nova ticotiii coul tlio bulanco of
400,000 tons, with, of course, an adtli
tic nal output, if, us wo exjHJct, our {)olicy
is suecesaful, in conncquence of an
increased «l,'>mand for coal to supply tlio
growing mai ufactures of tlie country.
I'ho next clans of articles proposed to l)o
dealt with is bojks, pajwrs and manufac-
tures of paj)er. We experienced some
dilhc\ilty in deuling with this item, and
we called to <mr assistqnce gentlemen who
know the tvadt thoroughly, who are
ucquuinteil with the interests on both
sides, and undcn.tand tho matter from
their own buaincHS point ot view, and
after conferring with them, the Govern-
ment decided npon the following
propositions : — Hooks, printed periodicals,
pamphlets, bound or ii' sheets, not being
foreign reprints of Britiah copyrighted
works, nor blank account books, copy
books, Bibles, prayer books, psalm
books or hynni books, six cents
per pound. The Government adopted
this principle, which is in operation in
every country, I believe, except the
United States, that tho higher class
and better class of books which cost a
higher price than the '>bjectionable and
inferior books, where intellect has made
the book valuable, a duty should not be
placed upon the intellect, but the duty
should bo coUectsd simply upon the
value of the labour and the pa[)er.
Upon British copyrighted books 6c.
per pound and 12^ per cent, ml valorem,
On bibles, prayer-books, <kc., 5 per cent.,
as at present. On books and pamphlets
imported through the post-office, for
every two ounces in weight and fraction
thereof, Ic. A great many books are
sent through the post-office from the
United States and elsewhere into tlio
Dominion of Canada, and the Customs
authorities have experienced great
difficulty in regaid to them, but under
this proposition it is not necessary to
know the value, but simply the weight.
Newspapers imported through the
post-office free, blank books, 20
per cent, ad valorevi ; printed bill
heads, cheques, receipts, drafts, posters,
labels, advertising matter, &c., 30 per
«f/ valnre.M : advertisinsr p9.mphlets<, $1
per hundred ; printed music, bound, or
in sheet, 6c. per pound ; playing cards,
30 per cent. ; engravings, printn, &c., 20

per cent. ; maps and charts, 20 per cen,k. ;
articles not H|)ecitied, 20 per cent. ; on
pulps for pa]!or niakei-s, 10 jwr cent. ;
mill and stiaw board, 10 percent.; en-
velopes, tkc, 25 i)er cent. ; paper hang-
ings and wall paper, 25 |K;r cent. ;
|)rintirig materials and presses, 15 per
cent. ; printing typ»;, 20 jmm' cent. ; typo
metal, 10 i)er cent. ; type, old, and tit
only to bo re-manulacturod, free; eii-
gi.ived plates, 30 per cent. ; electrotypes,
ic, 10 [Kir cent.

I now submit the proi)Osition with
ref('rcnce to carriages, furniture
and wooden ware : — Railway carriages,
cars, waggons, .sleighs, wheelbar-
rows and like vehicles, 25 |)0i cent, ad
valorem ; hou.sehold or cabinet furniture
of all kinds, not otherwise named,
35 per cent. Some hon. membero
may ask why tho rate of duty
on this description of manufacturo
is 5 per cent, higher than that in
some others! Marble slabs ard cabinet-
maker's hardware pay a high duty, and
the same may bo said of other articles
used by the manufacturers, such as var-
nish. On clocks the Government pro-
pose a like duty. On examination it was
found that clocks are manufactured, and
extensively too, in the Dominion, as the
duty on the material which enters
into tho manufacture of these clocks
has l)een increased, the Government
felt it right to ask the House
to agree to this proposition. I was
under the impression that clocks were an
article on which it would not be wise to
impose a duty, as with any protection wo
might give them, we could not compete
successfully with our American neigh
hours. But I found in that bu.sy city of
Hamilton, which is represented by nearly
every article in the schedule before me,
there is a clock-making industry .success
fully established, and producing a very
nice article, in a birds-eye maple frame,
for seventy cents, and they have orders
from England for 6,000 or 7,000 of these
clocks. Picture frames, mouldings, «tc.,
2fi per cent. ; billiard tables with pockets,
4| feet by 9 feet, $-;i2.50 ; and with refer-
ence to these articles and the smaller class
of organs and pianos, 1 may say tliat the
Government have decided, after careful
consideration, to impose a specific duty
and an ad valorem duty, — billiard tables
with pockets, 5 feet by 10 feet, $25 ; 5^

var-

was

foetby 11 foet, |35 ; foet by 12 foot,
$40 ; in addition to an «</ valorem duty
of 10 ]>vr cent. Musical itiHtrumonts :
Organs with not, over two Hots of whiIh, a
npccilio duty of $10 ; witli mora than two
Hotsandnot moro than four, $15; with
more than four and not inoro than Hix
«ct«, $-0 ; all havinj^ ov«'r six sots of
reeds, $'M), and in addition thonito 10 per
cent, ad valorem on the fair market VaUie;
Hquare jiianofortes, havinj^ not over Hcvcn
octaves, $25 ; upright jtiaiiofortoH, $30 ;
eoncflrt or grand pianofortes, $50, in a<l-
dition to ten per cent, ad valorem on the
fair nmik'.'t value. Agricultu'al iniph-
ments, not otlierwise specified, 25 p<!r
cent. ; woodeuware pails, tubs, churns,
brooms, brushes, Ac, not other wise
npecifled, 25 per cent. ; co'ks, and manu-
facture of corkwood, 20 per cent. ; eork-
irood and bark, unmanufactured, free.

We now eomo to glass manufactures,
and hero the same principle is intended
to apply as that which I pointed out in
reference to cotton and earthenware.
We have selected for a liigher rate of
duty the de8cri])tion of glassware that
can be made in tho Dominion. On
pressed glass bottles, vials of every de-
scription, 30 per cent. ; carboys and demi-
johns, 30 per cent. ; telegraph and
lightning-rod insulators, 30 per cent. ;
lamps, globes, etc., 30 per cent. ; orna-
mental, stained, and tinted glass, and
glass windows, 30 per cent. ; common
and colourless window glass, and glass
painted, enamelled and engra"ed, 20 j)cr
<!ent. ; and all other glass, not otherwise
specified, the non-enumerated rate of 20
])er cent,

Tho next class of articles is metal.
Tlio first it<!m is pig iron. In deal-
ing with this question, the Govern-
raent had to take into consideration the
important iron interest of the Dominion.
It is quite true tliat a very largo dejiosit
of iron is found in the Province of Nova
Scotia. Adjacen*^. to it are immense beds
of coal, inexhaustible, and no doubt
for the Province of Nova Scotia this in-
terest is a very important one, but it is
not confined to Nova Scotia. We find,
on examining the geological reports and
the reports of the officials who have been
eharged with the enquiring into the
extent of our iron deposits, that in
«very Province of the Dominion tJicie
Are largo deposits of iron. From the

west we liavo had specimens of Iron buL-
mitted to us of the most vahuiblo charac
t<i, ma<le liy tlm a|>plication of heat
from petroleum, whioh a|»|)ear8 to remove
some of the difficuIticH that have been
experienced in producing good imn be-
fore, inasmuch as it removes the phon-
jihorus and sulphur whioh rondere<l that
iron to a great extent valueless. If thii
1)0 HO, we nniy reasonably expect that in
the western part of our Dominion, in
Nova Scotia, in the valley of tho Ottawa,
in the Provinces of Quebec and New
IJrunswick, wo may, by giving some en-
counig(>ni('nt to this manufacture, or
its production, have these industrien
springing up all over tho Dominion and
jiroducing tho most beneficial results.
We find in every country, no matter
what count>-y it is — take England for in-
stance, take France or any other countrj
that has risen to any position of wealth
and commercial greatness — and you will
find the iron interest is one of the
most important of that country. I
would also instance the United States.
It may safely be said that it is the basis
of every other industry. It is true we
have not developed it to a great extent
yet. Wo liuvo one establishment at
present in oi)eration in Nova Scotia, but
it will only produce one fourth of our
present consumption. There is no rea-
son why we should not supply the whole
of tho trade in time. There is a great
diversity of opinion as to how this pro-
tection is to be afforded. It is now pro-
posed to place a duty of $2 per ton on
pig iron ; old and scrap, in blooms,
slabs, hoops or billets, 12^ per
cent, ad valorem ; in bars, rolled or
hanmiered, including flats, rounds and
squares, band and hoop, sheet, smoothed
or polished, cjated or galvanized, and
common or black, boiler and other plate,
Canada plates or squares, nail and spike
rods, and all other iron not otherwise
lierein provided for, 17^ per cent, ad
valorem ; on rolled round wire rods in
coil, under half-inch in diameter, 10 per
cent, ad valorem, ; on iron rails or rail-
way bars for railways or tramways, 15
per cent, ad valorem; on railway fish
plates, frogs, frog points, chairsand finger

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and steel wii-e, not over No. 18 wire
gauge, 25 per cent, ad valorem ; on tin
l)liites, 10 i»er cent, ad valorem ; on cast-

lagH in (ho rough, 20 (wi- c»int. nj vnl-
orarn ; on Htovi^d iiiui otiier finiMhtd
oaHtin;,'H, LT) por c;Mit. ml val-
orem; or car wlifols, LT) per cont.
ad vafnrem ; on uull iioiis and niill
oranltH, an<l on wrocj^lif. foixiii;<H for
mills niul looniotives, op partM Ui-ti-oF,
woixhinj; 'Jf) poundri or niorft, 20 por
cent, ad ■mlurein ; on l(x;oiiiotivo ongiiu-ji,
and on Htationary or otlu«i Hlciiin <-n;,'incs
and hoilors, and ou other machiiiorv coin-
ponod of iron, or of whidi iron in the

oomponont part of chief vaino, 25 p('r
cent, ad jnlarem ; lodoniotivo t.vr(>.s ot
•tool, or r{<'SHfmer in tho rouf,'l), 10 |.t
cent, (id vd/oiein ; HoanileHH hoii.T tubin",
drawn, 10 per cent, ud valorem ; on bed-
Bteads and other iron furnitnre, and orna
mentjil iron work, 25 ])cv cent, ad val-
orem ; on hollow waro tinned, jjlazod or
enunicUod, of cast or wronrrlit iron, 25
per cent, ad valorem ; on hanlware, viz. :
buildcra', cabinet-makers', uphoisten is',
carriagoniakers', gitddlcrs' and nnder-
takers', 30 per cont. ad valorem.;
bolta, nnts, washers and rivets,
30 per cent, ad valorem; tacks]
bra<ls and sprigs, :?0 per cent, ail valorem;
horseshoes and horse-shoo nails, iron
wire nails, called " Points de Paris," .']0
per cont. ad valorem; iron and .steel
Bcrew.s, commonly called " wood-sorews,"
35 per Cent, ad valorem ; scales, balances
and weighing beams, 30 per
cent, ad valorem; chain cables,
over ^ inch in diameter, shackled or
Bwivellcd, or otherwise, 5 per cent, ad
valorem ; anchors, iron masts and wire
riggi'J,?, when used for siii])8 or other
vessels, free ; nails untl spikes, cnt, ^c.
per ponnd und 10 per cent, ad valorem;
nails and spikes, wrought and pros.sed,
whether galvanised or not, '] of a cent
per pound, and 10 per c{'nt. ad valorem;
composition naiis and spikes and sheath-
ing nail-), 20 'per cont. ad valorem ; on
sowing machines, whole and on " iieads,"
or parts of heads of sewing machines, $2
each ; and in addition thereto, 20 per
per cent, ad valorem; machinery for
cotton and worsted mills, not made in
the country, free ; steel, in ingots, bars,
coils, sheets and steel wire, 10 per cont.
ad valorem ; edged tools of all kinds, in-
cluding axes, scythes and saws ; carpen-
ters', coopers', cabinet-makers', and all
other mechanics' tooli, shovels, snados
hoeH, hay, manufe, t.nd potato forks,'

rnkcH and rako t»'eth, and Bteol skatos,
;iO per er nt. ad vulnrem ; on cutlery, and
on other maniifdctnrerH of steel, and of
iron and sto«'l, not otherwiso heifin pro-
viiled for, 20 per Cinf. ail valorem; on
knife bladiH, in tho rough, or bhulos
niihaiulled, and for use by makera of
pliiteii ware, 10 per cent. a<l valorem,'
copper, old and hi!ra|>, and in ingots,
pigs piiites, littis, nxls, bolts, win-, aiul
in slieets not pliniahed or coated, and
for sheathing, 10 per cent, nd valorem-
seamless tubing, drawn, 10 j)er cent.
ad valorem ; rivets and liurrs, 30 per
cent, ad valm-eni ; on all manufactures of
cojjper, not otherwise herein jaovidod
for, 30 per cont. ad valorem.; wire of
brass or eopjier, 10 ptr cent, ail valorem;
wire cloth, of brass or copper, 20 per
cGwt. ad valorem ; brass, old and scrap,,
and in bar,", bolts and sheets, rounder
flit wire, Keandess diawn tubing, and
tubing plain and faney, unfinished, 10
per cent, ad valorem ; on manufacturea
of brass, not otherwise herein provided
for, 30 jier cent, ad valorem ; church bells,
free; yellow metal, in bolts, bars an4
for shoathing, free ; phosphor-bronzo, ia
i)loeks, bars, shoots and wire, 10 per cent.
ad valorem ; lead, old and .scrap, in pigs,
blocks, bars and sheets, 10 per cent.
ad valorem ; lead pipe, 20 por cent, ud
valorem; load shot, 20 per cent, ad val-
orem; all other manufactures of lead, not
otherwise herein provided, 25 [lor cent, ad
valorem; tin, in blocks, pigu and bars,
and in plates and sheets, 10 per cent, ad
v-dorem ; on tinware and japanned waro,
and on stanii)ed ware, 25 per cent, ad val-
orem ; zinc, in pigs, blocks and sheets,
and on seamless-drawn tubing, 10 j»cr
cent, ad valorem ; on manufactures of
not elsewhere specified, 25 per cent. a<l
valorem; silver and gilt electro-plated
ware, 30 per cent, ad valorem ; German
silver in sheets, 10 per cent. a<I valorem ;
jewellery, watches, and manufactures of
gold and silver, 20 per cent, a.l valorem ;
Jewellery is considered, likesilk, a luxury,
and hati it not boon for the circamstancea
(ifTecting this article, it would have
bF.en a subject for increased taxation-
It appears that, even at 17^ per cent.,
we only imported last year about
$240,000 worth, and the inducement ia
so great to smuggle, that tho Govern-
mf'nt {iropose w leave the.se articles in
the uncnumerated list of 20 per cent.

Hlui

W« now como to wool and woollen
goods. IiitliiHCiiHO, Mi-.CImirniiu), woltavo
BO arranKod our j>i()[)<)sitioii for tlio con-
iiidonilioii of tliiH Ifoiise, thut tho duty
la tf) bo in)|K)Mi!d ko uh to «nconriir^o tho
manuractiiro of tlii) coarwir dcMoription of
woollcMH and lilimkciH in tlio Doini.iioii,
Wo hiivc, nt the ureRont tiin«', a liirj;o
product of wool shut out praeticailv of
tho Amnvioaii nia'kot, or Hold thoro at
a v»;ry low prioo on aoroiuit of tho liitdi
duty inipoHtnl. TIio Uovcinniont Mt
if th«y foidd Hocuro ii r^'iidy and f,"5od
homo niiukct for this im|)oi-tant product,
thoy worn bound to do it, and they ask
tho IIouHo to HUHtuin thoin in this pro-
position. Wool, nnmanufacturwl, liuir
of the alpaca, goat and othor likoaninials,
and wool waHto, free ; on inanufacturcH
oonipoHod wholly or in part of wool,
worscud, tho hair of tho alpaca, goat, or
other liko animalH, viz : — Whawlw, blan-
kots and Hunneis of every dcHcriptiou ;
olothH, ilocskiuH, cassiniercH, twcods,
coatingH, overcoatings, cloukingH, felt
cloth of every description, hor.se-collar
cloth, yarn, knitting-yarn, fingering-
yarn, wonlndyarn, under number
30, knitt'd goods, viz. shiits,
drawers, and honiory of every dn-
Bcription, 7^c. per pound, and, in
addition theivto, 20 per cent, ad valo-
rem ; on clothing, ready-made, and wear-
ing apparel of every descri|)tion, com-
posed wliolly or in part of wool, woisted,
the hair of tho alpaca, goat, or other liko
animals, mado up or manufactured, wholly
or in part, by the tailor, seamstrer-is or
manufacturer, cxceiU knit goodn, 10c.
per pound, and, in addition tli(!r<-to, 'JO
por cent, ml valorem ; on all manufac-
tures composed, wliolly or in part, of
wool, worsted, the hair of tho alpaca,
goat, or other lihj animals, not hei-ein
otherwise provided for, 20 per cent, ad
valorem; on treble ingrain, thret.'-ply
and two-ply carpets, composed wholly of
wool, lOo. per square yard, and, in addi-
tion thereto, 20 per cent, ud valorem ; on
two-ply and three-ply ingrain carpets, of
which tho warp is composed wholly of
cotton, Oc. i)er square yard, and in addi-
tion thereto, 20 per ctjnt. ad valorem ;
oil cloth for floors, Btiimjjed, painted or
printed, 25 per cent, ud valorem ; jute,
aumanufautuied, free, and jnt<» bails, jute,
manufactures of 20 per cent, ad valorem ;
flajT, fibre, scutclied, le. per pound ; flax.

flbro, hacklwl, 2o. [mr [lound ; flax tow,
Hcut(!he(l or green, Je. per pound. Bread-
Nt'drs: viz., barley. If).-, per bushel;
buckwheat, lOo. i)er bushel ; Indian
corn, 7^0. per \\\\.A\<\ ; oats, jOe. per
bushel; rye, lOe. per busliel ; wheat, 150.
[ler bushel; peas, l(!o. per bushel;
Ix-ans, Ifte. per bushel ; buck wheat, weal
and flour, |e. ]ior pound ; Indian meal,
40i!. )ior barrel ; oat mcul, ^e. per pound ;
rye flour, ftOc. per barrel ;" wheat flour,
60c, per barnd ; rice, le. por poiuvl ; i-ico
ami sago flour, 2e. per pound ; barley
malt, 2o. per pound ; flax Ht-ed, lOe. per
bushel. l)airy produce — IJutter, 4e. [ler
pound ; cheese, 3c. per pound. It is
proposed to iniposo 40e. per barrel
onnpples; th"y now pay 10 per cent.
t)n e(aid)i'rries, plums and quinces, 30e.
per bushel ; poaches, 40o. per b.shol ;
cherries and currants, lo. per quart ;
goosel terries, filberts, ras|)l>errics nncl
strawberries, 2c. jier quart; grajtos, Ic.
per pound ; hops, Gc. per pound, instead
of 5c. ; honey., 3e. yox pound. Meats-
fresh or salted, on tho actual weight ni»
received in Canada, le. j)er pound. At
present the duty is collected on 185
pounds to tlio barrel in the United
States, whi(;h, when it readies here, tiy
tho effect of tho salting, weighs ui)t.o 200'
poimds. Tho duty now, therefore, ac-
cording to tho old tari/r weight, will b(»
Ic. per pound ; bacon and hams, 2c. per
])Ound ; meats not elsewhere snecitied,
2c. per pound. On lard, which' is now
eliarged at ono cent, it is proposed to
make tho duty Ue. per pound; tried
lard, 2c. instead of Ic. ; trees, slirubs,
20|>er cent ; seeds for field and garden, 15
percent. Seed in small pa])or pa reels— there
isa largo quantity brought from the United
States put up in small papers at vast
labour, the paper for which wo tav 20 per

cent, and printingin same proportion it

is proposed t« place them under a tarirt of
25 per cent; potatoes, lOc. per bushel ;
tomatoes, 30c. per bushel. All
otlier vegetables now 10 per «cut.
20 pel- cent ml valorem. Manures,
of all kinds, free.

We now como to the proposition
in regard to .spirits and wines.
Spirits and strong waters not havinw
been sweetened or mixed with any article^
so tliat the degree of strength thereof
cannot be ascertained by Sykes' hydrom-
eter, and so on in proportion for an/

greater ur Ixu HtreiiKth thiui pt-uui, uml
for every grt'Htor or \vhu quiintity Uiaii »
gallon, viz : — Alcuhul, nim, whinki-y,
Geneva f{iii hikI uiioniiiii<>riit<!d mticli'H of
that kimi, $l.;)2^ |M'r liii|i<>riiil ^MiHon,
iiwU'iul of $l.'20. OI>jet;tii)ii was takfii
t-o tho proi>oHitiun niiwlo l>y my lion, prcdo-
cessor, txj nmko tli« incrciiMn on bniiidy
per gallon the Hume iih on K>n and wlimky,
it IH now propoMtHi that brandy hIiuII bo
increaHod '25i'., or ijl.tf) [Mir gallon ; and
that old Tuin gin b« charged $1..'(2.^ per
gallcu. I may hoi'ti Htate that tho" pro
(tOHitiun which tho Government will
Hubmit with ref'oronc(» to tlio cxciso, in an
increaHO of lOtr. p«!r gallon on exci8n
fipiritH, leaving tobacco wIuto it i« at
prt'Hont, except the Canada twist,
made from Canadian leaf, which
will bo ri'duccd from 10c. to 4c.
per pound. Jt wa.s Hnggested to
the Gov(!rmn»uit that this might Iks met
in another way, by imposing a small
«luty on the imported leaf, in addition to
tho excise duty ; but in the United
States they have reduced tho excise duty
OQ tobacco to 1 Gc. If we pro|)oso to in-
ureuBe ours beyond 20c. it would encour
age smuggling, and we would lose legiti-
mate business and revenue. It was
decided not to impose an additional duty
upon the imported tobacco leaf, but to
meet it in this way, reducing the tobacco
manufacture from the loaf of our own
growth to 4c, per pound. A rt^solutio i
will bo submitted to reduce the duty on
malt from 2c. to Ic. per j)ound. It is
estimated that the increased 10c. a gal-
lon on spirits will give over and above
what we lose on malt, $100,000 additional
excise duty. The (Jovernmeni consid-
ered that it would be wise to encourage,
if stimulants are to bo used at all, the
use of malt litjviorH in preference to
spirits. Sjtlrits and strong waters sweet-
ened or mixed, so that the degree of
strength cannot be ascertained, namely,
rum, shrub, cordials, <fec., $1.90 per gal-
lon. Spirits or strong waters, imported
in Canada, mixed with any ingredients,
although coming under tho denomi-
nation of proprietary medicine", tinctures,
essences, extracts, or any other denomi-
nation, are, nevertheless, deemed spirits
jsnd Rtrnng wat-Ts, and suVycct to duty
ufl such, of $1.90 per gallon ; cologne
water and perfumed sj)irits, in bottles
or flasks, not weighing over

four ounces each, 40 ))er oenk.
WiueH and fermenttxl liquoni. I may
Ntate, at this sUige of the pr(M;eeft
ings, the reHSons that have ititluenced th«t
Oovi'i-nment to submit the pro(K)ficd
scale of duty on wines. Ont; of tho pro
posals, submitted to the (lovernment of
France, through Hir A. T. (»alt, was that
wo would pliicti a duty on French winoit,
at the same rate precisely as that charged
in Fngland, namely, 'Jf^c. per gallon, or
Is. sterling. These negotiations, though
iu)t dosed, we may hope, at no distant
day, will bo siicceHsfully ainingod. Them
has Ik-cii a diHiciilty U-tweeit Hpuin and
Knglatid with reference to rates of duties
imposed by (fitsat Uritain on wines. The
pro|H)sition I am now about to make
will, if we arrange with Spain and
France, meet the circiiuiMtances of the
case by the withdrawal of the .'30 per
cent, ail valorem duty imposed, leaving
it 2i3c. per gallon, 'it) tK-grees of proof,
and increased in proportion to strength,
the sanu; as in England. On champagne,
the Government ask the House to im
(K)se an additional duty. The duty, aa it
now stands, is lower than that ex
acted on many of the necessaries of
life, and lower than that imposed on the
cheaper kinds of wines ; and, in order
to equalise the rate of duty collected on
wines, there is no reason why champagne
or sparkliug wines should bo exempted
from a fair contribution to tho revenue
of the Dominion. Champagne and all
sparkling wines in bottles containing
each not more than a (jiiart, $3 {)er dozen
bottles ; on bottlesconttiining not more than
one pint. $1.50 per doze ; contitining a
half pint each or less, THc. per dozen,
and to it is added a duty of 30 yter cent.
'mI valorem. Jlottles containing over a
quart each, will bo charged in addition,
$3 per dozen. Liquors imported under
the name of wine, containing more than
40 per cent, strength of |)roof by Sykes'
hydrometer shall be rated for duty,
as non-enumerated spirits. Wines
of all kinds, except sparkling wines,
including gi'igcr, orange, lemon, strav-
berry, raspberry, elder, and cur-
rant wines, containing 2G per cent,
or less of spirits of the strengtli
of prooi by Sykes' liydroitictcr, imported
in wood or in bottles, six quart and
twelve pint bottles to be held to contain
an Imperial gallon, 25c. per Imperial

ter oeni
I may

procond
lU'iired thit

|)ro|K)Hcd
f tho |iro
rntiioitt of
, wuM that
ich winoK,
at cliargeii
^ullon, or
iH, though

to (llHtUUt

[c.l. Them
'^paiii and
s of dtitioN
iiu'H. Tho

tu luakti
^piiin and
•cs of the
lio .'JO per
d, leaving

of proof,

Htrongth,
iiuHpagne,
sHo to im-
hity, as it

that 631-
HHurius of
led on the
, in order
)llected on
hdinpogne*

exempted
3 revenue
I uud all
containing
])er dozen
more than
nttiining a
jer dozen,

\>er cent,
ig over a

addition,
ted under
more than
by Sykes'
for duty,
Wines
ng winfiB,
Cin, strav-
ind cur-
per cent.
Btrengtli
, iiupurtcd
[iiort and
o contain

Imperisal

gallon, nnil W pir nnt. nt ittlorein.
Whs'n ciiiilaiiiing over 'JG pr '•out. and
not«t\ii' lU |NT emit. 4t)c. |kt Imperial
);!illon ; when contiuiiing over 31 and not
«iver .'Ml per cent., ftBc. per Imperial pt'
Ion ; when containing over 'M\ and not
over 40 |>er cent., 70c. per Imperial
gallon, and in addition tu tho altovo
niHscilir duty, :10 jwr rent, nil vaUrrfin.
Malt liipu)rH, whiiu import4>d in iKit-
ilt'B, nix (puiitM and twelve |»iut Init-
ilestoconHtitutuan lm|K>rial gallon, «'ili
be charge«l 18c. jn-r gallon. VVIien im-
ported in canliH or otherwiso than in liot-
lIcH, lOe. per lmp(*rial gillon. OIIh,
lard, 20 per cent, ail vnhyrnn ; lioHeed
or fhiXHOcd, 2^ per. cent. ; iieatHfoot, 'JO
per cent.; tidlow, per pound, one cent.

After Recess.

Mk. TIIjLKY remnned his remarks,
Haying: At six o'clock I wan proceeding
10 explain the propoHitionn which the < Jo v-
«Tnment propoHo to Huhmit to tho con-
«ideration of the House. I take up the
ttnbject whore 1 left off. The next arH-
<lt.* are gun|M)wder and other explosivoH,
gun, rifle and sporting iK)W«h!r in kej.H,
half or quarter kegs and HnniU paekaj/cH,
.'■(C. per jtound ; on cannon an<i musket
|K)wder, in kcigs and barrels, 4<r. ; on
tanister powder in pound and half-pound
luckagcB and tins, l.^c. ; blasting
|)0wder, 3c. ; on giant powder, dyna-
mite and other explosives, with niti-o-
f^lycerino as a constituent, 5c. per jioMiui,
and, in addition 20 j)er cent, ad xnlorem ;
nitro-glycerine 10c. per lb., and 20 per
eent. (id valorem ; salt, except i!nporte<l
from the United Kingdom or any British
|)OBReR8ion, or for the use of the sea and
gidf fisheries, which shall be free in balk,
He. per 100 i)Ouads ; on barrels, bags and
other packages, 12c. per 100 pounds ; chc-
niiculs, medicines, paints and oils, 20 per
«ent. ; acid, suliduiric, ^c. as at present ;
acetic, per Imperial gallon, 12 cents ; mu-
riatic and nitric, ad valorem, 20 per
cent. ; oxalic, free ; saltpetre, 20 p<!r
cent, ad valortTn; essential oils for man-
ofacturing, 20 per cent. ; essences of ap-
ple, pear, pineapple, raspberry, straw-
berry, vanilla, and other fruits, ."ILSO
j)or gallon, and al valorem of 20 jmr
< ent. 'i'his is to cover tho .spirit duty.
</oal tar and coal pitch, 10 })er cer.t. ad
vahrern ; varnish, bright and black, for
Hhi|)buiJder.s' use, free; all other not
3

eUnwhero Hjiecificd, 'JO centa per Inilterial
gallon, unti 20 |)or cent, ad valorem.
('olours — bichromate of potash, blu' ,
Mack, Rcarlot, and maronc,
pulp, Purin green, Prussian hlti
satin and tine -washed white, ul-
tnimarino and untlK^r raw, free ; added
to this class, that were formerly dutiable,
are Prussian Idue, and one or two other
colours ; paints not el.si'whert* specitie*!,
JO per cent., ad ralorein ; putty, 2ft per
cent.; ochres, dry or unground, washed
or ur. washed, not calcined, 10 |mt
cent. ; spirits of turpentine, 20 jter
cent., ad valorvm, C!oal oils and
their products remain as they lae ; cod
liver, medicated. 20 per cent., ad vaiorem .
s|iorm oil, 20 (tor cent. ; neatsfoot, olive
or salad, Hcmamo seed, 20 per cent.
(ul valorem ; sulphate of quinine,
20 |)er cent, ml valorem ; opium
crude, 20 per cent, ad vtlorem ; pro-
pared for smoking, and all preparations
of, $5 per pound, the cost being al>ont
$11. The repres»mtative<j of British
('olumbia will be interested in this duty.
P(!rfuni'-ry, including preparations for
the toilet, huir oils, powder, pomatum,
and other perfumery preparations for the
hair, mouth or skin, 30 per cent. ; po-
mades, French orflover odours, preserved
in fat oil tor conserving tho odours of
flowers which do not b<!ar the heat of
distillation, imi)ort<-d in tins of tiot less
than 10 pounds each, ad valorem, 16 per
cent. ; medicines, or any medicinal prepa-
rations of which the recipe is kept a secret,
or tho irgredicnts a secret, recommended
by a bill or label, for the relief or cure of
any disorder, in liquid form 50 per cent. ;
and all others, 25 per cent., as at present.
These medicines are at present often the
cover for spirits, introduced under their
nai.:o — (the duty was former 1} 25 per
cent.); artificial fiowers, 30 per cent. <«/
valoiem ; leathers, ostrich and vulture,
undresseil, 15 per cent. ; dressed, 25 per
cent. ; furs, hatters', not in the skin,
free; skins of all ki'ids, not dressed, free;
dressed. 15 per cent, ad valorem; furs,
viz., cajis, hats, muffs, tii)i)eta, capes,
coats, as maniifactured in cloaks, tkc, 25
])ercent. ; candles, tallow, 2c. per pound;
paratHne, wax, 4 cents ; all others,
•-«? valnmn, 20 jior cent, j Tjidia rubber
and guttapercha, unmanufactured, free;
boots, shoes and other m.inufucturea
of India rubber and gutta percha,

30 p«r o«»itt. ii'/ vilitrttiti; nonp, rommnti,
brown, not |M'ifiitnc|, jdr |k»iiii>I, | c.ru ;
yfllow, cuitiltt, mil! wliit*», |)fiifi?iriit«'r «'.'ut. ad mtortiii, ; sJan li,
Innliiilin^ f.uirui coki nUnh tir (lour,
«ml 111! |iiii|>,eiiiti(>iM i.f, 'J r. jmh- iminiil,
M A* inHttfiir ; mmhij'o |*..r ii'ii|w, |()|i<>r
o«nt. ; for ull oUu-r |)iir|Mmt<H, 'JO |mt
ocnt. T rimj Imto h\mU', that, at llic
oii«<niiis{ of my nmukH, i ii.f..|ici| ton
piopoMitiori of thn tl.)voriimn:it lo treut
all iirli<!l<>H iniumli c-tiui-d in H,r Doiuinioii,
RU<lox|>oiti'<lfioiii it, ill tliim way : ihcr..
■hull Im) h ih.iwltack oil tlio iiiiitoiinJH
iiMi'il ill iiiiiiinf.|i>tiii«'H, rniiul to tho duty
|wi<I, on (lift #ivi«li'iir« of thitir oxpoi tatioii.
J'hf luojpohilion \h to tinat ii(«w viwhcIh of
nvwry ilm-iiptioti uh iiii tixjiort, duty
Paifl OM «i.nliiji,'o to \m tiin excoptioii.
ror, if Wi. ullow » (Iniwliuclc on it, u«)
nli'ill rloMo HI* iho fstal.li.shintiitfi iiuuii-
tiiiiKMJ now l.y tlio Riipply for KJiips.
It it* proposoil to inureiiHo tlio fluty on
oor(la!,'o to 10 jM^r rent., which duty hhips
would hive to pay ; hut iron in pig, holts
and III. iniH, on puyiti;;? <IiiLy mid hcinj^
u«.'d in vohsd'h, would have tho duty
paid hiuk. iw.. prarti.-ally, Hhips will !,(>
rejjar.icd like »il| othor urticli's oxportod,
hII (liitifH hf.iiii^ ri'tii;ncd to th(« hnildfr
An Itov. MKMBKl{: WJmt h.\^>^ of
ahi|i.s?

_ Mil. Tir.r.KY : All sizes and descrip-
tiouH. This extends to all parts of the
Dominion. Wo pioposo 10 per cent,
duty on all foieijru vessels seek inj; rPjfiH-
trHtioit in tho Dominion.

Ah regards tiif> piopose.l duty
on Ht:n;ur and molasses, if 1 (xrupv
the att^MUion of tho Houso for u
few TiionientH, I am sum yon will pardon
nu), for it is ono of the most diliieult
que.stions with which any Uovemment
can possihiy ha\o to deal. We know
tiioro has heeii great dissatisfaction in the
United Htattis ad to the mode of levyinij
the duty thero ; it ha.-i l.een pnie'y
Bpccific, levied upon Dutch sUindard, tw«)
doljara and (ivo cents for all lielow
numher sovon, till it reached a duty
of livo centH per jiound wpecilie.
Dissalisf action arising fioni (hat
system has been ajipaivnt in that
country. Notwitiistanding that, bov-
«ral eommission.s havo been ap-
jK)inte<l to treat this question, and t.'iat
Mr. WellR, onn of tho ablest men in the
United iState.'*.. has been askrtd by the

«iij{ir rellm-M mid iiii{MtitorM tu ._. , ,^
it, tiiid that II yi-ry nbh* mid flHlxirNt*
re|M)ie wiiH Nubmittod ; nolwiihultuiding
that a pro|w,hitiwii hitM b* en leeenlly be-
foro <ongreM with rebueneo to thia
•[iieHtlon, no ehmiKu in tim nnHJ.. of
h>v>ing the iliity Ikim been «uide. Thern
m-ems no probability of their arriving mI
any other emicluNit/n (hnii u niM'cMtlo
duly. I will Hiiy, lor the Inforinntlon of
hon. meiubcrH who may not |iuv«
Htudi-d this .puKlion, that (ho riUo of
duty iuipoM-d in tho Unitctl KtatoH in
under thn Duteh dtandaril. From No.
7 down they pay the lowent duty. It

'""* ' « f 'iiiid the vniy bent,— ulmodt

pure Hiigar, amounting to 90 per cent., or

even above that, had I u admitted at »

h)W rate of duty. Under these eireum-
Htanees (he rcJin. r would recive a draw-
back «»f three »loll:".s per 100 lb.H. on
which he had paid but *li.I.1. Thi»
piiiieipleof Kpocilicduty is found to work
ihjmioiisly iu many reNjMCtM, but Htilk
('oiigiess has not repeab'd or changfil it,
Theio have been very strong argument*
"Had iu that coiintiy in favour of
ml valorfin duly, and iu the Dominion lul
well. 1 do not hesit.jao to Hiiy that
many of tiie argumentH am most cogent
in many respects. Mr. \\\'\U takes tho
line that the ml lahtrvni principle is tho
proper ono. I may say that, alter invoH-
tigating thi.s matter, if you adopt tim
ad valorem duty at all, it can best bo
done in «h" manner which wo pioposo to
do it in this ciist*. There is a uudo in
V. hich you can l»'Mt certain claHscH of sugar
by imaiis of an instrument, tho pulari-
Kco|H'. It is ii.sed satisfactorily for the
purpose of teii ing all the classeH of sugar
below number !», or in fai;t below number
1.3, especially the low class of sugar, but
fails when applied to the yellow relined
sugars hugely niixed with glucoHO.
(jentlcmen who were interested in
the importing ef (hut class of .sugar wore
in favour of nd valorem duties. I
might Kay if they appli.«d o.d valorem
iluties solely they would iitul that the
vW'st India sugar of .v bright good charac-
ter, would be met by this yellow relined
(ulultciated article, in appoaninco better
than tho WeH„ Jadia sugiirs. Under
these ciicu instances, seeing the ditliculty
on both sidcM i-.lu. .Ii'ik.m.u.. :_ ; .• ._

iispcilio duty, and the dilticulty in aj)-
pl} "le ad valorem principle," tho lat-

t»

k» irpurt on
il t'lnl>wiNt«»
itliNtiuitliiiK
■••••(•niljr he-
>'« to tliia
•I nitxiii «if
'!<'. TliiTo
ai'iivitig h6

a •tJH'cilio
iiinittlon of

not lmv«
tlio into of

I KtiitoH iir
From No.
«Iuty. U

it,— ultnost
ioi'c«Mit.,or
lilti'd at »

ivi> II (|rnw«
DO 1I,H. on
.15. Till*
ml to work
, l)<it Htilk

Imngotl it,
iii°;^iini(;iita
(iivonr of
[iiiiiiiioti lut

Hiiy that
io8t oo;^t'tit
* tiikcM tho
|il»» IH tlio
Itir itivoH-
lulojit tlio

II licsfc 1)0
[»i()[i()so to

iiixlo in
['Hof Hdgar
10 pulari-
\y for the
H of Ktignr
sv iMiiuber
iiigar, hut
>\v roliiiL'cl

!i,'luCOHO.

estcd in
ii,'iir woro
liitioM. I
■ valorem
that the
jil flmmc-
w rctincd
ICO hettei
Under
difficulty

iiiipOSiQg

ty in ap-
I, tlio iat-

iitr hnvJMK, I ndmit, Homn iiihiiutiixn, _
•till, lixdiitg that tlmt ikrtiulo (unm innnd
«om|u>trd Nti('ct>N«fiilly with our ini|K>r-
tatiuu of |{o<ii| grnc-cr'M itupu, llm (iovi<rri.
inrnt hat It ftkllun luck on th« itroituiiition
•ul.ii.itti'il in |N(5H, vi/: » uiix«h| duty,
•IM-tifld and inl mLmnn, thi-ro hait Inhiu
nnturaily a din'orvuco of opinion iM'twron
tho int|H>rton« of mij^ar and n»(Iiu<rH, in
mftinTictt to thn |Kiint nt whi h additiunal
duty Hhould tako | la<'<«. At thn pri'Hi>ht
tinio thn hi{<lnT rato of duty took plucti
»t or hImivo No, 13, Tlio rt>Jin»'ni wnrn
anxioiiM to continuo It *t No, i;l, whiUt
tim iiiiporl«'rH di'xircd it at a liltto hiK'lu>r.
Wo hiivtf niado a uonipniiniHo Mid put it
nt No. M. On all nugar ahovo No. 1 (,
Dutch Htandard in colutn-, lo. per pouml,
»nd :tri piT cfMit. (ill va/ormn.
Th»t fovcn-il all n^finrd Hupir.
On iniKur equal to No. 0, And not
htilow No. 14, tliioflrpiarlorH of u cent.

rir pound, and JJO jK'r ccr.t. ml mlorein.
call atli'ution to the fitct that tho dif-
forenco to tho rolinoisj ih fi per cant.,
tliHt all below No. U have an
W v.tlorfin duty of .10 per ci'iit.,
and all abovo No. 11 an ad v<ihrf.in
duty of 3.') per writ,, j,{iviiig to tho re-
finorH 5 per c«.>nt. On hugar Ih.Iow No,
0, half tt cent, per pound, and ;!() |mm'
0(-nt (III viilurein, provided that the ml
9aloretn duty nhall he lovieil andcolloctod
on sugar and nielado, when iui|H)rt4!d
direct from tlio country «»f growth and
production, ufiun tho fair market value
thereof, at the i)laee of piirchaae, w'th-
out any addition for tho cost of liogH-
heads, or other pack.-igcH or chargcia, not
including exjwrt duty, and expeuHe.s
prior to Hhipuiont ; anything contaimul
in section 34 of tho Act 40th Vic , chap,
10, to tho contrary notwithstanding. It
meana this, that all Hugar inn>orteddirect
from tho West Indie.s to the Dominion
ahall piiv no duty upon packages and
onlinary chargoH. Wo ha\(- addi-d 11 vet
per cent, to thn pro,sont duty of
25 per cent. Sugar, not imported
direct, will pay a duty on th«3
packages, giving additional eucour-
ugen)ont to our direct West India trade,
Syrupa, cane juice, rotineil gyrup, sugar-
house Hyriip, syruj) of sugar, syrup of
inolansos or sorghum, five-eighths of Ic,
jwr pound ad valorem. Melado, coucen-
'uMiiCU niciaiio, coiiotttitialeii cano juice,
concentrated tnohiasea, concentrated beet-

root Ju!c««, nn<l rouentc, ikrM eigliibl of
lo. (Mir (Kjund, and 30 |irr rani ad miAk
rtin. It U «atiinMt«i(l, UkUtg thn NUK»r
that wai« lm|iort(>it hmt y^ar, m nhown in
tho r«turu» made, that thU altering of
tlo duties will yield |J()0,()()() |..,„ t|,(„
umler tho eKinling taiilf, through having
the duty on |Mickage»t ren>ltt.!d. Mnlimm,
if umd for rellning, clarifying ir rectify.
ing pur|rt)H<M, or for ihe nutiiufaeturo of
Hugar, when imjKirted dlret t from tho
I country of growth and production, 2.5
JNir cei,t. lid valorem. Molaftxeii for tho
•tame puipoHCM, whin not imporfed direct
frmu the country of growth and pnaluc.
tion, 30 ]mr rent. Thia w Ut cn-
counigo the import»»tion of nio
lawk'H direct. I cannot M(<e why
there wttH HUch an extraordinary dis-
crcjiiiniy in the value of molnHMm iin|M)rt.
ed .nto the dill'erent rrovineiH, in 1«7H.
It was, perhaps, owing, to nonie extent,
to thn fuet that thu very hiaekeht and
nifmt inferior deseription of molatMeM, tha
refa.se wa-, sent into thJH eountry hy
New York and l)o!-t.)n refluerH, and it it
to prevent, as nnieli m |KWHihlo, tho im-
portation of Nuch inolaHseH that a diMtinc-
tion is* nuule. MolaMseH, if not so ii-ied
when imported iVuta fiuni the
country of griwth und production, 1ft
per cunt. The same, when not impottetl
direct from the country of growtli and
producfioii, 20 per cent, TliLs will ha a
loMs to the reveuuo of something liko
eyO.UOO or IJKIO.OOO; hut Wo will bo
ahio to make that up, ami more, from
additional taxation imposi'd on other
artiel.s. Sugar candy, iuown or whit- ,
and confectionery, lo. per jioimd, and 35
per cent, mi vatornm. (Vahtih"!, or grapo
sugar, to ho classfd and rateil for duty tm
sugar, according to grade, hy Dutch
standard, in colour, (Jluco.so syrup 35
per cent. <i(/ valortrm.

Wo now couu', Mr, Chairman, to tho
article of tea. The J louse will prohahly
l>o prei>ared, from tho statements
I made in the early |iart of tho
day, to hear that tho (•overnment pro-
pose to tt.sk Parliament to reimpose a duty
of 10 per cent, on tea coming from tho
United States, I nuvy ho pardoned for
saying that I think it was a great mis-
take on tiio part of my prednces.sor in
standing so firmly and refusing to re-im-
poiso itiis aiiditional ciuty on tea^ and 1
hcliovo that this llou,so i? prepared for a

ot iliMt tlfltWen. It u Dtir
Islatttioii U) anIc IVNrliMB«iit to n^im\Hmn
• IpKiilii) Hiul rir/ miottm (tii»y, iiiati'iKl uf
tlM Bw c>(ilU>«ti<ii. A
•|»wifi« duty (if 'Ji'. |iii" iHMiml ori l>lii« k,
tutti 'da. on );ri>t'ti uikI .Fuiutn, uixl III |iit
•nit. «.(/ ittliirrm. Tim ri'Mtilt of uiii'
policy in lliitt <iii«u'tioti v/ill Im* to i|)>
frt'rtiti', ?o Noiiif cxttat, tin- t«<vi>iiiii>, i(,iy
|l(ll>,(l(l(>, tu (lio v,mt of tlif till, wltfii
itii|ioiti><| ilirirf, In Ii>nh tliitii if iHiiiKlit in
Nt'W York. Cipflti', Knitii, ".'«•. |M>r
|ioimil ; ro.ihtc.l or unmiul, kimI iill iiiiieu
tioim oraiul nuUtitiiUH for, ',U\ |»i>r |M»iirul.
i'ocott |«w(t« eiiulfliix-oliiti', luitHWirotfiii'il,
UO jHir cc'tit. till vitltirrin ; nnoii \u\hU<,
chofoliit«>, iiiiii oilier iiU'i'iuatiouH of
<'ufoa. wlii'ii v-oiitiiiriiii^ Noj^iir, Ic. tM<r
|K)iinil ittiil Urt iK>r ci'rit «»/ vulorem.

Now, Mr. Chiiiriimn, f Iihvi' not taken
»ij» t'ViTV iirtii'ht on wliji-li w»' iiropoxo to
ciamjjo tlio riiui of dnly. una, in onli-r
timt tlio Hon o and tlio country nmy
not Ik( Ii'd iiMtruy, I hlmli read tiio frro
list, lu'cuHNc, nnl<>HN I do ho, it may l.o
HU|i|ioH<i| tlial all tlu! artich's that I i. tvo
not inontioni-d am in tlio frt-o lint.
Animal!! for tlio ini|)rovi>m«>nt of utin-k ;
uncrer ; antimony ; aMlu-M, pot, |>« uri and
Modii ;a|)|>artl, wciuing and tttiu-r appaicl,
or liouHolioiil j'fl«ctM, not n»'rchan<lino ;
nravnic ; artidcH for tlu) uho <if ilm Oo-
vernor-Oonural, foreign toiiMulH, army
»nd navy, army clotliin^f, nmNical iiiMtrn
intintH. military HtorcH, I'fc. ; Immlioo rt-t'dH,
no furtlior manuitiL'tun'd than cut into
HuitalilulcngtiiH for walking HtickH ; cancH,
inHtickHfor nndm-lhw, parawU and Hun-
HliadcH ; l)anilioo, iininanufactured ; bar-
rclH for (Canadian n;annfacturos, exported
and fdI<Hl with ilomoHtic jiotroleiim and ro-
tunu'd ; Ik-IIh for chnrchcH, biKmiith, bono
dust, Iwno ash for tli manufucturo f)t ma-
nure, hrumidc, bulli<-> ,;'o!daf<r. silver ; bi
clironuito of potaih, aui in;;)' laden wit)
uiercliandiw, cu' • r ( ; of .oins and
motlclH, canvaH for tho manufucturo of
floorcloth, guttn j>erclin, cut-gut HtringH
for rauHicul in.strumcntH, citrons and
rinds for candy ; clothing, lieingdonatioiiR
for charit4iblo pur|)0Hea ; coin.s, gold and
silver, eicept United States Kilvcr coin ;
communion plate, cotton waste and
cotton wool ; diamonds unset, including
black iliamom's ; «lyeing or tinting articles
>n a ci'iuttf Htitte ; t-asms, grus." und pulp
for tho Dianufacture oi' paper, vegetable
ilbro for manufacturing purpcses, (ish-

Uiit, ftuli iiook«, linM, flMltin({ tackUi,
giiming nmi, |{u!tl ti<«t«ni' moulda, gnat*
and K''*^''* Wl^tl > f*"^ ■" "'illtotttrlM
t>in|NMiM; gnveU, guan<> .hhi otN? Ul^
Uisil or vegi table ii anurett, gum*, gum
arabie, hendtwk Uuk, iiem|) undr<>HN<<«i,
IddeM mw, horwit liair, imiia rubU>r, imlign,
iMinglikMit, glue, ivory, iron muNtN for
Nhi|>N or bargiH, iron cablen and cliainn
r\er one liali inch tn length, Nhackteii or
unNhiK-kled ; jute, lii|uorti«, riM)tN, lenionn
and linds of lemoni for candying ; log*
roinid, and unmanufactu;'i'd tin.ber not
otherwise provided for ; lumber, plank
and b'lards sawn, or Inu wood, p Ui\\
pine , HpaiiiHli cedar, oak, hickory and
white W(M>i) not shaped, planed or other-
wiK4f manufailurcd , lo<^oiuotivcH, fmawn
,1'rV baggage pasjdng from one countrj
into nnotiter, manilla graxs, mica, minenU
specimens, uuhIcIs of invention and other
improvements in the arts \ Iceland mosa,
lioisoH, cattle, carriages, harness, under
regnlations to be provided liy tlio Mini»
ter of Customs; nutchinery for worstoU
ami ottiMi mills of kinds that am not
manufactured in Canada, ('rhere is aa
exci'ption made in this case, becauHO we
ha\e no cotton nuuhinery in lli« country,
and not likely to have ; therefore, la
order to encourage thii* industry, it in
profHised to ;uako them fr<Hi.) Nitrato of
Mxla, nut galls, newspapers, co<!oanut oil,
jialm oil, pt\lm leaf oil, carliolio oils, used
in the manufacture of wooden pavement ;
wood for l)uilding and railroad purnosMi,
oxalic acid, mother of pearl unmunufoc
tured, philosophical instrumento and
apparatus, including globes, ^hea
imported for tho use of college*,
stdiools, scientific aiul liti-rary socic
ties ; phosphorus, pitch pine, plaster of
Paris, pummice and pummice stone, pro
cipita^c of copper, rags of cotton, paper
\vaHte, and waste of any kind for th»«
manufacture of paper ; itisin, rhubarb
root, suifron and suH'ron flower, nkinii
undr».'ssed, silicate of Hoda, sidphur
in roll and flour, impico, tanner's
baik, tobjicco uni. .aifactured, for
excise jiurposes, untlcr conditions of
Act 31 V^ict. cha|) 31 ; tortoise and other
shcU.s, turpentine, truvidler's baggage
under regulations, blue vitriol, verdigriu,
vegetable fibres, whiting, whalebone niK
niaiiufatlurcd, whaio oil in cask in the
condition in which it was first landed ;
W(X)I. I have not touched npon all tba

itinU t««kt«,
oiililx, grt'HM

8 OlMff

> lllllllCMNt'ti,

l»>»«'r, iiiiliffo,

llliMtM for
firi<l ilittinii
Nhit('kto<i or
iK)tN, li'inonn

<•>'"« ; l«»K"
tin.U'r not
iiImt, pliuilr
wooil, p UiU
hickory iiiiii
;<l or otliiT

DUO «!oinitrr
icii, rniiu'ml
iti iktui other
••■IiikI nioHa,
IX •<, iiiuier
I liio Miniif
for worHt4;<2
Iiiit itni not
I'hiTi) irt lift

Im'CIIUHO wc

lio country,
lon^furn, m
iiHtry, it in
NHrutfl of
j<,'ounut oil,
oils, used
|)uv(nn«mt ;
(I piiriMMitMl,
uniiiuitufoc
ninnlfl and
»OH, whoft
oollcgen,
riiry Nociiv
, planter of
Htuno, prcv
-ton, ympcr
ml for thtt
I, rhubart
)w»r, nkinii
I, HulphuF
i, tanner's
>ired, for
iditions of
« and other
H bft^gage
, vcrdigrie,
ilebono nn-
iiHtc in the
I'Ht landed ;
on all tbn

«4i*ft{(<« wn I ritiMwn to miik«>, and tlioy
• i.l li«ifi»rnhtlly rtHnl, no donht, fViiio thi*
(UiMr, IhiI I hitvM di>iiU with thn Urgnr
«iiii Miorn itn|)(»rt«nt un*Hi.

It »p|MtAiii to R>«, Mr. CMMirni*D, und t
Uiiiik ihn lliMiHH will Hiirm with tm,
thMttho (lovcrnnirnthnvrf «!nd»tivoimH|,—
wliolhcr Hiui'i!n»(fully or not to

0*1 ry out, lliM policy tlint wi« wcru
|dod)(«*<l to iniiiiM;urato, W«« Uwn tin-
d«AV(MitiMi to niMi t nvcry iHwuitili- -nt<>rf<i«t

tint niniing, th<t nmnuriicturiii^, and Im
Agriculturnl int«<riwtH. Wo 1ihv« cudcu^
fouri-d to KNitiNt our Hliipoini< und iliip-
Jiuddin^ inlorcHt, wliuh w in a \'>y d«»
pri'NMod cimdition. Wo Iihvo oi; Icuvourcd
not to injun.' tho lunilHir intcrcnl, bccnuMn
Uioy now havtt a vory impot-tiuit urticli'
UMi<d liy their (Mioplo ut. uliuut tho vumo
rate of duty they luid it before I r»d«r
to |M)rk. Thoy have ten at a chi»i|M*r
prire than before ; they have nioiiuiNeii
i;heii|ier. TheNo urticleH enter hugely
into cotmiiiuption with tliein. They have,
an have every other cIunh of ex|H)rtt5rii in
Uio Dominion, many advanta^en under
the propoHitioiiH tluit wo Hie ab<ntt to
Hubmit that thny diil not enjoy before.
In tho inU'rext of lumlierinen and of coin
inurce generally, tho proHent (Jovern-
iiinnt, iiH well aa our predtwotHoiH, have
ox|Hmded larj^e nuiiih of money for the
improvement ''f the navigation of our
rivei* and of our coaHt, by tho erection
of lighthoimeH, and in their maintenancr.
'I'hiv, of courwe, ia an advantage to the
ahippiiiK interesta aa well. A pro|H>Hition
iji aim) to )m) Hubmitted In thu 1 Iouhv, which
you will find in the KHtimateH to extend
a tole;4niph down tlie St. Liiwronce.
'I'hiM propoaitioik waa Hubinitttid to the
{leople of tliu Dominion by an able
and ex|M-rienced gentiemiin, a nieml>or ot
(hia llou.se. 1 need not iiitmo iii.ii, be-
cauHO the iiit<!ieHt he has taken i.H well
known. Thin proponition is in the intiu-
oHt of eommurce, ai> 1 of our Nhipping,
and of humanity. It is in the intci-
etjt of every industry that ex|»ortJ' loy
article from this country to tho old
world, beoaiiao an e,x|>etidituro of thin
kind will hmIuco tito into of chargeN in
tho ahapo of iuHurancu aiul other charges
on tho Hhipping, and that ia
inoro absolutuly in tho interest
of Ihu exiturtur tiiaii in lliu in-
terest of tho owner of tho ship.
But wliilo w^ have been looking around

to nm wh«t Q*w aadM of luxation migbl
\^^ uw<l iti nkbf ttdUUional ntvanit*—
atkd jTOtt will olMwrr** 84t, that, by thi*HA
ItroMidtioiw, «• ara raimrting Ut no mw
nt'iilM of tftjMtion— it waa auiumitad thai
th«i «hippin)( intitnmt might fairly eontri
bote tow.irdii the maiiilei'.tn(!«i of tha
lighta. In olden timet* they rid oontri
biittf. In atiuui of tb« INovineea, li«<foni
thn Union, wo obtainml a aulUeinnt
iimouiit from the nhipping to maintain
th<<Ne lighlrt, anil thi^ luvupitalM for aiek
and diMibled aeaninn , but wtd thought it
duNirable to gi /« thv «jwnem of ahipping
and the ex|i<)rter<t, and, indcinl, the im-
portera, and Uio omniertwof lh« country,
lh» ailvantago of fitv li^u. In our
|M>lic<y, aa jtut pro|)ouiHlo(|, w« havi' dealt
with the Mgiicultural in treat, the tTiintng
interent, the Hhi|ipiuj,' i.iUuett, indiiw;tly
with the luiiitjeriiig intereat, and
with vfiry many int^tVMtN, without
ti.iu'hiiig heavilv at all upon any
other intereat ; and it dixa appear to '.no.
Sir, that We havu now arrived at tho tiiuo
when it iNtcomea nflceawiry for thia coun-
try, for thia Parliament to <l«cid« whether
we are *o remain in tho poaition we now
occupy, with a certainty that, within
two years, with tho existing lawa upon
our a*atuto-l)ook, almoat i^vi'ty manuf*"
turing industry in the country
lib dosed up, and tho muiuty invested in
it lost. The time haa arrive!, 1
think, when it lieeoineH our duty to
decide whether the thousands of men
throughout the length ami breadth of thia
country who are uuemph)yed, 'hall seiik
emplo) iiient in another coutttry, or shall
tind it ill this Duminion ; the tiiiio haa
arriveil when we ar»» t(» decide whether
we will bo simply hewera of wood
and ilrawera of watcu- ; whether wo
will be simply agriculturists rais-
ing wheat, and lumberiiien producing
more luiidair than wo can use, or Drout
Britain ami the United Stul-es will take
from us at rennmerativc prices ; whether
we will confine our attention to tho
tisherics and certain other small in-
dustries, and ceaso to be what we have
been, and not rise to bo what I believe
we are destined to be undcM* wise and ju-
dicious higislation, — or whether wo will
inauguiate a policy that will, by its pro-
viHiuiin, May to tile iiidu»tl'ie« of the
country, wn will give you sutliciont pro-
tection ; we will give you ii Jmarkijt for

whiit you can piocliice ; wn will nay that,
■whilo our noiitliboiiiH 'uiilil up u Cliincsc
wall, wo will impost) u reaHonablo duty
on their i)ro<hictH coiiiiiii; into this
country ; nt nil cvonts, we will miiititain
for our agricultural and otiicr produc-
tions, larji!<!ly, tho market of our own Do-
minion. The time ha.i cerbiinly arrived
whi'u wo must consider whether we will
allow mattera to remain as thoy are, with
the rcHult of heiiig an unim-
jiortant and uninteresting portion of Her
Alaje.sty'3 DominiouH, or will rise to the
position, which, 1 believe Providence ha.H
destined us to occui)y, by means which, I
believe, though I may bo ovt-r Ha!)gu-
ine, which viy colleagucH believe, though
they may bo over Banguino, which
the country believes .ire calcu-
lated to bring prosperity and happiness
to the people, to give enijiloyment to the
thousands who aro uniniployed, and to
make this a groat and prosperous country,
as we uU di;siro and hope it will be.

Mil. MACKENZIE : Will the hon.
gentleman give us an esiinuito of the
revenue of the coming year 1 We have
heard nothing of that.

Mn. TILI.EY : I am very much
ob'iged to my hon. friend. I was not
tivarotliat I had passed it over. I have
hei-e a comparative Btatemeut, which I
will read : —

Oruiixal

KST.'MATE,

1878-T;).

Canals imd
niinni- I'lih-
lic- Works.

Rftihviivs. . . .

Post (iniw..

Hill stamps..

Intt'i-i'st on'
Invostminfs

Mi.sctillancoiis

Excisi; (1870-
80)

ISTS-TO.

415. noo

1.481.01)0

l.'2/<0,liOO

jtJo.iiiiO

CuO,c\nu
Oi)0,()ij()

LSTO-SO.

4,CM,000.

Car'd./oru-ard 4,C1 4,000 1 4,,'J89,000

'ir)0,n(ii)
1,5110,000

1, '.Mil, 1100

:iOi),ooo

700,000
G0o,ooa

4,050,000

KitriVATB,

1878-7!)

Rrc't./orwarJ.

ExcIhc T'itiv-^
cniioof this!
yiuri i)|lo( i-
«tlinl878-!)

Exciao (1878-
7'J)

LcHs ICxiise
of 1H7!»-H0
lit old rates
coll c c toil
tliis ytur.,

C u B t o m 8

(i8Vy-So). .
Customs Ui!V-
(^nueof tliis
) car tdl-
Icctcd ill
1878-7;)....

C n K t o in n

(1878-7'J.).

Ij s 8 Cus-

t O 111 8 of

lSVl)-80 col-
lected this
ycttf

4,1! 14,000

S,') 8,000

6,213,400

322,000

14,000.000

C00,0C0

1878-79.

4,589,000

1870-80.

4,G60,00C

4,072,000

4,891,400

14,300,OflO

1 2,(i40,000

fiOO.OOO
'■ :12,140,000

121 ,020)400 24,122,000

Mu. MACKENZfE: What I desired
was rather an estimate of the produoti
expect 'd under the proposed fiacal
chungi'H.

Mil. TILl.l'JY : 1 thouglit that would
be better e.xjilained as we camo to th»
items. I may state, however, that w»
estiniiite an increase from the ofXiratioa
of < Ills new tariU" of ^.■2,200,00). The
Gc ernmenc have been exceedinglj
an.xiou.s, luavy as tiie imposition of soma
of the ta.\es arr, that in the future wo
shall have no deticits. The credit of th»
co.intiv ro(iuires, and we believe th»
countiywiJl justify us in collecting sueh
a revenue as will meet llio njquiremtntB
of the country.

■

1879-80.

4,060,000

4,972,000

l'l,300,OflO

2^M 22,000

t I desired
10 produotn
aed fiacal

Lliat would
.1110 to tb»
r, tliafc W9
of)oratioa
0(^0. The
xcecdiiigly
oil of soma
flit me we
edit of iix9
elievo th»
ictiiig Kufh
luinimcn.tiB

ADDENDUM.

jrOUSK OF tX)MMONS, MAKCn liGm, 187!).

Ma. TILLEY : When fmbrnitting, for
thoconsi(hMivtion of thi.s House, the propo-
uiti'diH of llio Uoverniuent reliitive to tiio
proposed changes in the tariff, I ft-lt
the (piestiou was ono of such nnii^nituch)
^nd iinportanco, that I might justly he
pardoned if I did not occupy tho attention
of tho House, on that occasion, with
references that had l>eea made by n\y
pi'edecessoi" alPjcling tho policy of tlio
Government of vvliich I had tlie honour
of being Finance Minister up to 1873. I
did make some reference t<J remarks
that had been made by that hun.
gentleman in speechea at 8t. John and
elsewhere, and I made them, Sir,I tliink,
in a parliamentary spirit, as I trust I I
will ever make my remarks to this |
Ifouw!, or any other assembly of tho i
kind. I felt I had made them in a man- i
luer such a:-i would produce a re-
Bj)()nHO from tlie hon geiitleman
in a corresixindirig spiiit. I rei);ret that
tlio lion, member (h'd not meet me
exactly in that spirit, and if, in tho course
of tliO jvmarks I make this evening,
though tlity will bo perfectly jiailiainent-
ary, still, if I should be a little more
pointed in my remarks, and a little more
energetic in tlie way I acUb-css my-
fielf to him, I trust the House
will j'ardou mo. In tlio iJrst ])lace, 1
have but little to say to tho hon.
gentleman alter what was said by iiiy
coUeaguo the hon. lueiuber for Cum-
l)( rlaiid. I think that many of tl.e
fallaeii n:i Btat(!iiientR, tliat many of the
Bt.iteinents that are not Ijorne out by the
public reeords of the llou.se of Oommous,
were answered lao/uptly, fully ana .satis-
factory liy my hon friend. IJut
Btili, Sir, there is a matter that doea not
ap|iear to 1m ijuito setlh'd, a;id which I
would like to have settled. It it^ Mr.
Sjieak'M", wliether the statement I sub-
mitted, ill 187.'}, in r(;ference to the ex-
penditute ami incojiao of 1873-74,
whether the proposition.^ [ made wore of
the outrageous and unjustifiable nature
that iiad bei;n Bintod liy the hon.
gentleman. If we take his Btatcment us

reliable in every respect, I havo com-
mitted !i grave offence ; J. liave nindo
pro[iosition.s, us far us expei.diture was
concerned, far in excess of any reaaonabla
expectation. Ihit I tliink, ^ir, I will be
able to show that, had tho Government,
ol wliioh I had the lionour of being ft
member at that time, remained in power,
I think 1 shall be able to show, from tho
public records, and from tho statements
he and his colleagues have submitted to
the House of Commons, that, with the
tiuiff in existence in 1872, without any
increase, it would havo been sulliciout
to meet the expenditure.

Mr. OARTWKKJHT: No.

Mil. TILLEY: Well, let us come to
tho law and tlie testimony. I find, Mr.
Hpeaker, that the revenue received for
1873-74 was .'$24,20r>,01)2. There was a
good deal of discussion in 1874, between
my lion, friend the member for Cumber*
huid, and the then Finanoe Minister, as
to the auiouat collected in that year, and
that properly lielonged to it, or rather
collect(;d in that }e!ir, and properly be-
longing to the year following. I want to
call the atU'ution of ibis House te) the
statement made by my predecessor iheother
night. Wh;it w.is it J He .said that the
members <>!' tiie(rovernm.'nt and Finance
Minister had not ko])t their couikscI, as
he said they ought to hav€ kept it, the
IMiblic were madn aware of tho intentions
of tho (iovei'iiment, and the j-i'.sult waa
that, within one month, tho total amount
collected in February, 1874, was liut
lialf tlie aiuounfc collected in Fi'bniaiy,
1S79. I want that to be borne in mind.
1 estimated that .H:8ri(),000 of tho receipts
of tliis year belonged ju'operly to the
ii(!xt year. Tlie extra reveuuo of this
year is, according to hi^ own statement,
doulile what it waa in 1873-74. If that
be tho case, an<l my estiuiat n correct,
tliere could not liav'e been §1_. Ji),()0(> of
the levenue of 1873-74 properly credited
to 1874-75.

Mij. CAllTWIllGHT : The hon. gen-
tlouian has quoted n;o incorrectly, and,
if ho will allow me, I will tell him what

I (lid say. I niado no reference to Feb-
uary, 1H74. The lelerence I umdo was
totheiirHt twenty daya ot Apiil, l874,
whicli is quit.? a different thiny.

AlK. TILLFiY : Well. I am very much
ohhsed to the hon. Ki'»t!enian for cor-
recting vne. Taking his proposition as
from the Mth April, 1874, it gave only
$1 000,000 ill excess, while lie stated
in' Ftihruary, of this year, it was
$2,000,000, instead of Sl,n<»0,000. Now,
Bupi)0se, for the sake of argument,
that the receipts in April. 1S74, were
$2,000,000, I have estimated that t,h(!
statement I have submitted hero that
$3r)0,000 Excise, and!ii!r)()0,0(l0 Customs,
both properly and fairly belong to next
year. I also stated that, probably, wo
would have cidlected. before the hscnl
year is dosed, $150,000, as extra duties
resulting from change in taritf. That
will make $1,000,000. Suppose we re-
ceive no in'ire this year than we did m
1874? If they received $1,000,000 in
excess of what belonged to roveiuie, it
would have left $23,205,09 J as the
receipts for that year. , . , „

Mu. CART WRIGHT : No ; decidedly

not. , ^ ,

Mu. TILLEY : My case does not de-
pend solely upon this point. 1 know
it is but an estimate, and may vary to the
extent of $200,000, $300,000, or
$400,000. But I have sutKcient to make
out a case, even if that should be granted.
The expenditure for chat year was
$23,31(),31G, as shown by the Public
Accounts. If the late Government re-
reived, at that time, only half what wo
have raised at present, or suppose they
received as much as we have received at
the present time, belonging to next year,
then you have the sum of e-2a.205,092,
against an ex])en(Uture of ;?2J,31b,,ilO.
B'ut suppose our calculations are not
correct, what should iiroperly be deducted
from that expenditure, in order to show
whether the statement I made was cor-
rect or not ? It is well known our esti-
mates of income were always under the
mark from 1809 to 1873. There was
not, during one of those years, a tune
when the estimate of income was not lar
below what was received, and our esti-
n-ate of expenditure greatly in excess ot
our actual expenditure. In order to
Bhow the unfairness of the statement ot
the hon. member, ho speaks of the ex-

penditure of $300,000 or $400,000
added to the expenditure of Prince M
,vunl Island ; but he, in no way referred
to tho r.;venue derived from the Island.
l.ct ,is go a liUle further, in order, Sir, to
swell the exi)ondituro of that year to tho
largest possible anioant, and to justify
the'' Government in placing in Uis Ex
cellenc)'s speech the statement that it
was necessary, in order to make up tho
.lehcl.mcy of that year, that increased
taxation should then be imposod—m
order to place the Government that hatl
preceded them in the position of being
responsible for the increased charges,
items were placed under tho head of ex-
i.einlituie that ought never to have been
placed there at all. This matter haa
been discussed over and over again, and,
when his hon. friend the member for
Cumherland was sjieaking the other
night, I could not help feeling it was n
crreat privilege for hon. members to wear
their hair, in the House, and ho could not
help thinking the late Finance Minister
would have been very glad if the rim
of his hat had been broader than it was
when his hon. friend was bringing the
matter home to him. My lion, fiiend
from Cumberland said the late Finance
Minister had charged $546,000 to ir.coino
that should have been chargeil to tho
construction of the intercolonial Rail-
road. And my hon. colleague said ho
had indisputable evidence that it was
pointed out to the Finance Minister, by
one of his officials, that the charge was
improperly entered. The loader of tho
Op[iosition afterwards took exception to
the matter ; but I happen to have before
me what will settle the question. I
iiold in BJy hand a return laid before
Parliament, through the Minister of Pub-
lic Works, a statement of the number of
miles of the Intercolonial Railway in
operation on the 1st July, 1873, 1874,
1875, 187G and 1877, also showing the
cost of operating the same, signed by
Mr, Brydges, and laid on tho table of
the Hou.se, in accordance with tho re-
quest of some hon. member. T find the
expenditure for working the railway for
1873-4 is $1,301,550. In the Public
Accounts it stands $1,847,178. Now,
I ask, Mr. Speaker, whether there can
be anything more decisive, or more
d(dl!ilte,thtn that statoment,HhQwing_th.at
$540,000 has been charged as expenditure

$400,000
'riiico Ed
\f, referred
ho Island,
er, Sir, to
ear to tho

to justify
n riis Ex-
iit tlmt ib
iko up tho

increased
1 posed — in
,t that ha<1
n of being
i charges,
head of ex

have been
matter has
a^nin, and,
neinber for
the other
ng it was n
era to wear

couhl not
!e Minister

if the rim
than it was
ringing the
hon. fiiend
ite Finance
lO to income
•ged to tho
lonial Rail-
igue said he
hat it was
Minister, by
; charge was
mder of tho
exception to

have before
[ueation. I

1 laid before
istcrof Pub
le number of

Railway in
1873, 1874,
showing the
, signed by
the table of
with the re-
. I find the
13 railway for
the Public
,178. Now,
ler there can
fii, or more
,Hl'.owing that
.3 expenditure

against income that ought to have V)een
charged against tho construction of that
ro;i(l ? Now, [ think, that is unanswer-
able. Tliero is an olHcial document,
signed by Mr. Brydges, and laid on the
table of tiie House dy tho late leader of
the Government, Now, Sir, I hold that
that item ehould never have been entered
under that head of expenditure, and 1
hold, therefore, that it should never have
been charged against our Government.
It ought not to hiwe been charged in
that account, as against revenue, but as
against capital. Tiiero seenuid, as I
stated bbfore, a great anxiety on the jiart
of hon. gentlemen, to swell the expendi-
ture of that year. I find charged to
management $00,000, or thereabouts,
commission on the loan I negotiated in
1873. This item iiad never appeared be-
fore, and had never appeared
since, under that head. Then there was
$41,000, the sinking fund paid in July,
1873; that I did not tiike into account,
because it was due the previous year,
1872. I could not have foreseen
when I made my statement, that gentle-
men opposite were coming into j)ower,
and that they were going to dissolve tlie
House, and that they were to have a
Session in the autumn. I could not,
therefore, be expected to make provision
in the Estimates for expenditures for legis-
lation, excfjpt what we were cognisant
of. 1 find $200,000 added to legislative
expenses as the result of the autumn
Session and the election afterwards.

Mr. MACKENZIE : It was not us
that called that Session.

Mh. TILLEY : But I am speaking
now in juslitication of my estimates sub-
mitted. It was not possible for me, at
to the time, to foresee thai tluvt Session was
be called, tiiat hon. gentlemen would dis-
solve tlie llousoandgotjtliecountry. Then
we find refunded duties charged against
us of $G'J,OOU that ouglit not to have been
paid, and wouKI not liave been paid had
we remained in power. Tliese items
amounted, together, to$l) 16,000, and were
to be deducted. This would reduce the
expenditure to $22,400,316. Now, he
Ciiuie to anotiier question, that of the
loan. His predecessor, in reference to
tiiat loan, the four per cents luiguaran-
teed, produced but X86, and he made a
calculation, if I recollect rii^ht, that guar-
anteed debentures of four per cents were

104J. When I first floated the guar-
anteed loan of XI, 800,000, I could not
see wlu .e guaranteed loan should not
biing in proportion as much as consols.
But in discussing this matter willi public
men, they said that no guaranteed loan
that had over been given by Great
Biitain, for any country, has ever pro-
diiccid anything like the same returns as
any ordinary Government loan. When
I was in Loiuloii, in November, I found,
to my amazement, that these bonds, four
per cent, guaranteed, were bringing a
much lower price than "they had ever
been quoted before. I asked Sir John
Hose, the agents and o^her gentlemen,
how it was that these guaranteed loans
were at present quoted and sold so low —
one gentleman telling me he had been
glad to take three per cent, premium for
them, with almost five weeks' interest
that had acciued. What was the
anwer ] It was one that required
some explanation. It «va8 ; Oh,
they are fioater-.. I said, what are
floaters 1 He said ihey are termed floaters
because, when interest is low, worth say
two per cent., the guaranteed securities of
this and other countries are bought^ by
money brokers and men with limited
means, because these securities bear four
per cent. They lodge them with the
Bank of England and other banks, and
get the money at two percent. The result
is, that while money is very cheap there
is a demand for them for chat particular
purpose ; but at that time, after the failure
of the Glasgow Bank, and when rumours
were afloat of other failures of banks in
the west of England and elsewhere, when
every dank in tiio city was fortifying its
position and using every pound availal)le
for the purpose of strengthening their
reserves, the rate of interest had gone up,
and the banks were demanding the money
they had advanced on these floater'i, and
consequently they were forced into the
market to be realised on, and these cir-
cumstances brought the price down, and
placed them in the position in which they
were when I was compelled to make that
loan ; a scate of things entirely diff-irent
from that of the June previous, when
these securities were at the highest point,
and when it would have been wise for
the Finance Minister of the day to take
advantage of the position. Tiie hon.
gentleman said, the other night, that he

bad lost his election because he wn« look-
ing after the interests of his own party. It
appears to me, and this opinion is en-
tertained also by the country, that if lie
had been floating a loan at that time in-
stead of looking after the interests of the
party, he would have realised much more
than I was able to realise under the cir-
cumstances referred to. Sir, it was i)o-
cause these guaranteed securities were
then at that figure that I was unable to
realise a higher rate, and I miiy say it
•was remarkalile, considering that I w-as
endeavouring to make good what ought
to have been done by my predecessors
under more favourable circumstances,
that party feeling and party prejudices
allowed them to go so far when tlicy
ought to have been anxious that 1 should
have the greatest success, inasmuch as
they were deeply intorested in the result ;
but their policy and llieir conduct was
censurable, and I met with opportitiou
when I ought to have had their support,
as I -was placed in that position by them,
not by my own choice. The late Minis-
ter of Finance says the unguaranteed 4
per cents, brought only 86 pounds on the
hundred. They brought, taking into
account the value of the guaranteed
securities, about 90| ; that is what they
realised. T have in my hand a letter
from Barings and Glynn, stating that there
never was a time when previous Do-
minion loans were placed on the market
BO unfavourable as then. They were
put up to competition, at all events they
were oflered to the highest bidder. The
lion, gentleman asked me, the other day,
if I knew how much had been taken by
the agents, and how much by the Bank
of Montreal. 1 said J. did not
know, except in conversation with
the directors and the Mana«jer of tiiu
Bank of Montreal how much they
had taken, or whether the agents
had taken any at ail or not. Ho said I
ought to have known. It is remarkable
the hon. member this Session a.sked for
information that he refused to give wlien
he was in the Government.

Mr. CARTWRIGHT : I have, on all
occasions, stated exactly what the agents
had done. "What I refused to give, be-
cause 1 had not the information, were the
names of the other parties, not the agents,
who had subscribed to the loan.

Mr. TILTjEY : Oq the day on which

the tenders wore submitted, I saw four
schedules brought in numbering from
one down to eighty. I do not suppose,
if I had examined them, I would have
known if the Bank of Montreal had
tendered, h.id the manager not told me
that they were going to tender, as their
tenders were probably made through a
broker. The hon. gentleman said he
knew if I had named the price and had
£3,000,000 oHcred, and I had£5,000,0(i0
tenilered, and I had to sit down and de-
cide who should receive thts £.3,000,000,
I would perhaps know too. That was
not necessary. All that I required to
know was that the amount was taken
above the uuiiiraum given in the pros-
pectus. Tiie hon. gentleman opposite
was somewhat severe on me because T
took a stop which I believe iiineteen-
twentieths of the people of this country
will justify, anil that step was with
reference to the payments of llio revenues
received by the Collectors of Customs
and InlanJ Revenue into the banks
ujion which the cheques for those duties
were drawn. I do not recollect, at this
monienr, that a bank manager approached
me on this subject, but members of the
House came and jjointed out the ditli-
ciilty. I do not wish to say anything
that would affect the position of the
biuiks ; on the contrary, I believe the
suspicion with reference to their stand-
\u'i was with.)ut cause. From the ob,ser-
vation that I had given to the matter,
the banks, as a whole, are sound, but
tliere was an anxiety with reference to
tlio deposits, and men everywhere, owing
to various causes, were withdrawing from
the banks their deposits, much to the
injury of the business of the country.
Wlien these gentlemen stud to me duties
amounting to .-j;5,000,000 or $4,000,000
—the amount was $4,700,000,— will be
paid in during the next three weeks, and
it' these choques for this money go to
the Bank of Montreal, and that Bank
should demand from the others specie for
them, you will add to the com-
mercial embarrassment and gi'eatly
injure the business community. In
accordance with these representations,
1 afforded facilities for persons trans-
acting business throughout the Do-
muiion, not to give encouragement to
take goods out of bond, because it was
known on the 17th September that thi»

I Bnw four
il)ering from

not Hupposo,

would huvp
[ontrcal liad
not told me
(ler, as tlieir
le through a
lan said he
•ice anil had
[1 £5,000,000
own and de-

£3,000,000,
. That was

required to
t was taken
in the proa-
nan opposite
le because T
ve nineteen-

tliis covnitry
[) was with

tlie reveiuies

of (Just urns
the banks

those duties
led, at this
r approached
inbers of tiie
ut the diffi-
ay anything
ntion of the
; l)elieve the

their stand-
jm the obser-
1 lh« matter,
! sound, but

reference to
wliere, owing
Llrawing from
much to the
the country,
to me duties
■ $4,000,000
lOO,— will be
se weeks, and
tnoney go to
d that Bank
ers specie for
the com -
lud gr-eatly
uunity. lu
)resentations,
ersons trans-
ut the Do-
ragement to
?au8e it was
ber that this

policy would be adopted. The people
were prepared for the change lujcause

they had contidonce in the declarations
made by the party leaders, and, therefore,
went forward, as every member of this
House would have doue were ho m busi-
ness, anticipating the increased duties,
and taking out of bond everything they
could; ib, therefore, became a question
whether we would increase the existing
en'bairassments or remove them as far
as possible. We did not soy to our col- i
lectors deposit your money in such and
such a bank, been use the directors and
managers are our political supporters.
We sai<l, wlmtever cheques you receive
drawn on dilferent banks, deposit in those
blinks to the credit of the Government.
If we had placed §800,000 or §1)00,000
in a bank, half ot which was without
iutenist aP<l halt at four per cent., and it
was found that that bank was using its
influence in every shape and form in
controlling and corrupting ce istituencies
in the interests of this Government, then
I could imagine how hon. gentle-
men ojiposiio might, with reason
and with great ])ower and effect, point to
the coirupt and dishonourable conduct of
the Government. Now, Mr. JSpeaker, I
desiie to ell'er a few remarks in reference
to statements made by hon. gentl^^men
opposite ; but, before doing so, I come to
a point tliat wa? refdrred to by an hon.
member from the Eastei-n townships, who
made such an admirable si)eech this
afternoon on the (piestion of taxation.
The people are told that tliis Govern-
ment are levying ne*' and heavy taxes on
the iteople. Did I not .state in my speech
the other night that these were neces-
sary because of the decreased value of
goods, adiled to the depression in trade,
that we wanted to-day, only the average
of the money received from Customs m
1874-75 1 Wearenotaskingas much as
they received at that time, but we find that
tliere will be, this ytar, a deficiency of
§2,400,000, and it is a questior. whether
we will meet the matter boldly, saying
tliat this amount must be collected, and
.Mir credit maintained, or make an open
declaration that we are prepared tor an-
other deficit of two and a-half million
<lollars. Suppose our friends opposite
v,-ero in power to-day, they cnuld not pro-
vide tor this deficiency in any other way
tlian by asking Parliament to impose

additional taxes. There is a Blmple wajT
of dohig that, by adding to the 17^ per
cent, list 5 ])er cent. As we received
S7.000.000 last year from goods paying
174 per cent., the 5 \wr cent additional
would give $2,000,000 more. It would
be a simple way of obtaining it It
would not require many deputations or
much calcul.ition, and the Finance Min-
ister would not be under the necessity
of giving extended explanations as to the
mode of levying it. That was the way
our friends (lid before to the extent of 2^
per cent. Suppose they doubled it now,
what would be the effect 1 We
hear a great deal said now about
interfering with the industries of
Great Britain ; on the other hand,
we are in toto insulting the United
States, because we are imposing new
duties upon them. It appeara to me,
viewing it in a patriotic light, we ought
not to create, by anything we say
in this House, any unpleasant feeling,
either in Great Britain or the United
States, especially when it is notvraiTanted
by the ])roposition8 submitted to Parlia-
ment. Supposing 5 per cent, additional
was added to the H^ per cent, list, what
would be the effect ? T said the other
night that the average duty collected on
goods from Great Britain was 17^ per
cent., and on those from the United
States only 1 per cent, and if our friends
opposite had been in power and had not
imposed duties to encourage protection, be-
cause that would be at variance with their
principles, they would put 5 per cent, upon
the 17^ per cent, list, which would give an
increased advantage to the United States
instead of diminishing it. Still we hear
from the other side, "Oh! this ^ will
create an unfriendly feeling in Great
Britain towards Canada."

Mk. MACKENZIE : You have no
right to make a proposition for us, and
then proceed to demolish it.

Mr. TILLEY : I beg the hon. gentle-
man's pardon for supposing they would
be consistent. I was supposing that
they could not levy a duty to protect our
native industries. If the hon. gentle-
man says I am doing his party an in-
justice by supposing that they would be
consistent, I am willing to take it all
back. A word or two as to the effect
our proposition will have on the manu-
factm-ing industries of Great Britain.

We nre called upon at this time, Hnd
hiive lipen ever siiiccs Coiiifilfiation, U)
ask for a larger amount of monwy than
wo would have required under oth< r cir-
curastHncoH, because we luiv(! Hjient, Hince
Confederation, larj^e huiuh in the im-
proved iiiivigation of the St. Lawrence,
the construction of ruilways, theconstruc-
lion of the Intercolonial Kiiilwiiy.and now
the Pacific Railway. It is (juito true
that the propoHition I Hulaiiit will impose
on, ard prohibly proiluce, somcthiiiji like
$"50,000 from" the imports of (Jreiit
Britain. But our friends at home slioiUd
bear in mind that we are euiriigi'd in a
work in whieli they are deeply intfrestcd
themselves. Every million doUurs we
Bp<^nd for the ini|trovenif t of our navi-
gation, whether in building lighthouses,
in the estaMishment of telegnijih stations,
in the deepening and enlarging of ennuis,
or in the construction of railways,
enables us to jiut the i)roducts of Great
Britain into the Dominion, and into our
great North-West, which we ar(^ going to
people with millions, at a much lower
rate than we otherwise could. The ex-
penditijre of this li-rge sum will
operate indirectly to tlie benetit
of the manufacturing industries of Great
Britain; it would i>e utterly impiactic-
able to do it were we not spending that
large sum, thus indirectly lienefitting the
manufacturing industries of Great
Britain. In opening up that great
North- West, we expect to provide a com-
fortable home for the sur))lus population
of Great Britain. We will thus reiieve
Great Britain of its surplus population,
and plant them where they will still be
subjects of England, purchasing of her
manufactures $9.25 per head per annum,
against $2.50 if they removed to the
"United States and became aliens. CJreat
Britain has a great interest in this work,
and in the development of this great re-
gion. Will it be said that the increase
of wealth and population resulting from
the tilling of our western ter-
ritory with millions of settlers, will not
be a source of strength to the
mother land 1 We have only to
point to the fact that a tew months ago,
when there was a y)ossibility of trouble
between the Mother Country and Kussia,
Canada was prepared to send 10,000
men, and back them by tens of thousands
more, to fight for the old flag under

which we Rro proud to live. TnBt«ad of

tlu-re being any feeling in England
against us, although there are some Free-
trade men who care not about the
colonies, the heart of the people is with
\is. They know that this money is ro-
ipiired for the development of our
countrv, and for opening up new chan-
nels of trade between the Old World and
the New, and to enable Clanadians to
compete with tlie manufacturers south of
the line 45 The sympathies of the
English people will be with us, instead
of adverse, as has been desired by hon.
gentlemen in Opposition. With refer-
ence to the United State^ I was a mem-
ber of the Oovei nnr.-nt of New Bruns-
wick when the unfortunate struggle
between the North and South was at its
height, and I then acted upon the prin-
ciph', a principle 1 still hold to, that a
Oaimdian statesman, who does not, in
dealing with our American neighbours,
duly consider their feelings, does not act
in the interests of Canada ; but he is not
expected in any way to sacrifice the in-
terests he is specially charged to protect.
In the United States, the presa
differs in o])inion witii respect to
this tariff. The Government, after
refraining for twelve years from
imposing duties on articles imported
fioiu the United States that were free
uiuler the Reciprocity Treaty, only now
propose to reimpose them, though the
United States Gov.'rnment restored tlio
duty on our natural productions immedi-
ately on the abrogation of the Treaty.
This proposition Vjeing accompanied with
the declaration that we are prepared to
meet them half way in the reduction or
removal of duties, was cdculated
to prevent unkind criticism, and
such has beeii the case. Goods
imiiorted from the United States
will pay a larger share of the duties
than goods from Great Britain. I have
statements hern that will bear out this
assertion. The member for North
Oxford (Mr. Oliver) observed that I
stated that we expected to receive
$2,000,000 from the United States.
What I said was that we expected to
obtain this amount altogether, the larger
portion from the goods imported
from the United States. I did
not enter into the question as to whether
the producer or consumer would pay it.

Under those circumHtanceii, T tliink there
cunaot l)« uiiy unkind fcclitij^ towiinls
Caniula hy thn ix-oplo of t)i«> Unitrd
BtiitcH. 1 hi-e 11 inwlciiite iifriodioiil,
])uhli8hed tht^ivi, renuuks thiit tho
Cunuiliiiii (Jovornm«'nf, should have ap-
proaclifd th«i Unitod StutrH Govt'iiiUHMit
oti thiH (|UfHtioii, Iwforo throwinj? dowti
the gauntlet. Wo have twice Mpinouched
tliein on thin Hulijett, and our jnoiMisi-
tioriH havo hecMi rejt-eted; a. id the jdcHcnt
Goveiiuneut have decide.! to wait till
they iimko tho advance, and show that
they are piepated to meet uh in a HImtuI
spirit, I now come to some of the
general olijectiouH that h.ivo heen offered
to tho measure Huhniitted to the IJouhc.
Hon. nienihers on the Oppoisilion Mid(!
havo read letters di.sapproving of some
ofthose projjositions. All I can sav is
that, if any hon. nu-mber supposed that
such a complete revolution in turilF ar-
rangenients as this taritl" effects could Ije
made without elicitinj^ some complaints,
he must have been very sanguine. All
I can say is that it will he shown, l)y the
amendments that I propose, that we
havo not nuule any very radical change
of principle, and that, though gentlemen
■will ask for changes hoie and reductions
there, and make complaints as to certain
details, taking tho Dominion as a whole,
I have reason to feel that the niajoiity of
the country is with us in those projjo-
sitions.

Mr. MACKENZIE : No.

Mr. TILLEY : We will .see. Whi.t
are the general objections (o tho tariff?
My predecessor and the hon. member for
West Middlesex (Me.ssrs. Cartwright
and Ross) com])lained that one etl'ect
would be to make people look to the
Gorernment and Parliament for relief. I
was not surprised to hear my predecessor
make that statement, because I think he
distinctly assertf I that it was impossible
for the Government to do anything more
than they had done for the relief of the
people by legislation ; but I was sur-
prised to hear it from the member for
West Middlesex. I thought 1 had fol-
lowed him the last eight orten years in the
consideration of a question in which this
Dominion is greatly interested. I had
■watched him as, si'^p l)y step, he went on
advocating such measures as he felt were
necessary for the relief of tho peoi)le from
the vice of intemperance, and that he

took the proun.-l that Parllnment wnn the
place to come to, as shown iiy the reform
consummated in tho Act jmimed last
.Session. Did my ears deceive mo whon
my ho 1. friend dec-hired that it would bo
a ci'lamity if the people were taught to
look to tho Parlianu!nt and Govern-
nuMit for relief from the great evils that
existed in the land, when it was mainly
to that source that he had educated tho
people to look 1 T havo a wcrd to say in
answer to the ai-guments of my hon.
friend from North Norfolk (Mr Charl-
ton). p]xtract8 were read from his
speech, the other night, and nothing
that I could say would be so effectual as
(o read the speeches he nmde on former
occasions. In answer to the hon. mem-
ber for Oxford, did he not move for a
Committee to eiKpiire into the expedi-
ency of protecting the industries of the
country 1 I think, when I was Finance
Minister before, that he was one of the
warmest advocates of Protection that I
knew in Parliament. The hrm. member
for North O.xford, with Mr. Joly and
tho late member for Wateiloo, and
others, pressed ujjon me and upon Par-
liament the |)roposltion to admit the pro-
duction of beetroot sugar, for ten years,
frtio of any excise duty, giving tho pro-
ilucer a protection equal to 3c. per
})ound. This was the most thorough
protective proposition made in Parlia-
ment, and the member for North Norfolk
also joined in tho demand. We have
heanl complaints about tho promises
made by gentlemen on this side to tho
electors at tho last -general election.
These statements are made to destroy
the effect of the elections of 17th Sep-
tember last. What did they say 1 That
men were not bought by money, but by
promises, and an lion, gentleman on the
OpI)osition side has stated that there
never was an election in Canada where
there was so little money spent as in that
one. Then, for the first time, we were
befoi'o the country with a square issue,
which was not money nor office, but a
great question of principle. I know that
many who supported me formerly then
voted against me, because they had been
told that, if tl)eysup|)ortod the Conserva-
tive party, their flonr wnsdd cowt a
d(jllar a barrel more, and their coal cost
more also, as the result of increased
taxation ; and the manufactui-ers wera

tnVl hy th«* hon, |^«ntUmPn on the othor
Bid** tlmt tlioy would iff't no Iticrenned
yirotflctidii. I claim Uiiit l>«)th xi'lcn womi
diacusHinu prinriplfH tlmt iiivcilviMl, no
doiiJit, iiitJividiial intt'ri'HtH ; mid I woiiM
ank if it was not th« liiijlu'st trihnti^ tlmt
could ho Jiuiil t') tin* lu'opl.* of tho
Dominion to hhv tlmt, on tlio I7tli Sep-
tenilit-r, tlu'V laid HHiil(< nil |mrty qufH-
tions. iind voted for tln'if princi|il<'H liy
an ovtTwli.'linin'J! m ijority. NiistiiuiiiK
tho nirr\ who hiivi- Huhuiittt'd this policy
to PiirliMtncnt. We am tol I that thin ia
a Hfctional policy, that it is coins; to
soptiratH thi' pwplf, that tho (}i>vt>rn-
imtnt or tho Financi* Minister was Hiniplv
a ^omniittno appointed to leccivo projio-
HJMons from the men who ramo to
Ottawa. I can only say that, if we ac-
cepted tilt propositions from all partH of
tho Dominion, tho tariff wouM have been
a cpieer mixture iiuleed, hecauso w(-
naturally had conflictiii)^ interests to deal
with. But th« Go\'einment, in view of
its respoTisihilities, as ropresontini; On-
tario, Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova
Scotia, Prince Edward Island, and the
North-West, had to consider and decide
as to what was in the interest of ih-
whole Dominion, nnd what misjlit meet,
fairly and justly, tho interest of the
whole country. Tf we had come down
with a proi)Osition directly in tho interest
of one Province, no matter how preat it
miirht he, had w^ taken propositions en
hhc from Ontario for exam])le, the other
Provinces would have <;rounds for com-
plaint. Our scheme is not for a section,
but for the interest of the whoh) country.
A great deal has been said about the
))Oor man by hon. gontlemeii oi)posite.
Sir, if these ^Topositioiia are successful,
the laboniinp man will derive the "great-
est benefit from them. If they are now
idle, what is the advantas;e of their
living in a chea]) country 1 Do yon want
him to be idle! No; you wish to ge
him something to do. When our friends
on the o'iher side of the Atlantic under-
staxia our sch(!mo, and see that, inste.id
of sending hundreds of thousands of
jieople out of this country, it is to keep
them in it, under the sovereignty and
power of England, they will lieartily ap-
j)rcvu of it. Tiie hon. nuuiibci for North
Oxford (Mr. Oliver) said that I had
stated that, had I been in otlice in 1874,
I WQuld not Iiava distuibed the rate of 15

nflr e*>nt. T did ««t "o. W« lntimnte<i,
in I87:<, that thoro would probably b« a
,.j,,,„„o ill the tarit! tho next HeMHion,
which then, however, wo did not iiotnl.
Then we had an ample revenue for (Mir pur-
p,.He, to meet(he^l2J.r)0(».(W»0 that ought
to have been expnmU'd, and no more. ^ I
stated tliat, for the yearH IS7;J to 1878.
th'> exi)en.litureH of the governmeni of
this country migltt have been kept with-
in A2'J,.'S()0,(t()0, or an avenig » for those
four years. The Kstimates I submitted
to Parliament a few days since prove
that. T did Htate this: tiiat, had «»o
Ir-en iu power, we would not have asked
to disturb the I.") per cent. list. Wo
would have taken tho money «Hitot other
articles that woid<l have afforded enconr-
a'lement to the industries of the country.
Ami now, if we ask something mote than
\1\ per cent., it is because w.' are under
thepainful necessity of having!?'i,00(»,()()0
more of money than \1\ per cent, yields,
not because it is our desire or our wish
to increase taxation. But we come b.i.k
to the poor man. I stated, for the pur
pose of showing the position our fVi(>ud8
occui)" with reference to the <piestion()f
the jioor man, that it w.is unjust, to him
to levy 5c. on a pound of tea, whirli cost
Itjc, vvhen a man who bought 4<»c.or 5()o.
ten paid the same duty. And I say so
still, and it is consistent with the propo-
sitions now before the House. I sa (• it
was \infair to make a man who bought a
gallon of wine costing but r)()o. pay 7'Je.
duty, while a gaUon costing $4 or ^5
paid the same duty. Then tluu'e i' the
question of pi"tioli-nm. Hon. gentlemeti
opimsile thou<;ht it proper to impose 75
per cent, on it. Hon. membeis say :
" Under these circumstances, yon are
taxing tho poor man. and letting off tho
rich." In the case of tea there is no
remedy— you must ])ay it ; but, iu tho
case of woollen goods and cotton
goods, what is our object '? I stated
\t distinctly, that wheu_ we could
not n.anufaetnre an attide in tho
country, there was no reason why
we should exact from the Eng-
lish mr.nutacturers a high rate of duty,
and make our people jiay it. But \»o
impose a duty upon coarser material, lor
^.„P. vcjisnuK. ' Take woollen goods as an
illustration ; tho coarse article can be
manufactured in the country, and will not
only ^ivo cu'iployment to nia:iuractui'cr.s,

v«

Hit it will nflora K murkft for t, ,
urtirln, in whirli th.> li<,n. riu'rrilM.i- f..r
Worth OvfnnI »Vi'Im nucIi h ilcrj. iiit«.n»Mt
— our imtivf wo.ji. Un inm Hiiiil tho im-
position of ft ,|„ty ti|K)ri wluuit, iH-caiiHc
wo ImvH II Nuipliin, will j{iv<» no iM-ni'Ht
to tlm wli.-at >;rowr-f, aii.l Mtili my lion,
fn«ui<l in ovnllowiiij^ with 8vrri|niiliifM
for th.( limn who Iiiih n flock of Hlif.p
UI")n th« hilk Wo havo a sur|.luH of
wheat, and, aroording to his <lo«tiiiii>, it
niakt'H III) (liM'fiPiico whether you piit u
duty n|i(iit it or not.

Mr. OLIVKU: VVc have no ^iirpluH
of wool. \V«, iinjiort .'$,000,000 pouuiU
more tjiun we export.

Mr. TILLKY : Yen, wo import more
than we e.Kport, hut tho wool we grow
unfortunately, In not, iiml cannot he,
used for tho kiml of niainifa. tiin-H that
aro now made in the country. We are
making this propoMition to encourage the
manufacture of good, strong, coarse
cloths and hhinkets, to take the place of
shoddy, liy which he is cheated ol his
hard eurninga, for when he has a suit of
it on, if he goes out to work in the rain,
ho comes homo with his kii"es out ol his
pants. We proposo to have manufac-
tured liero what we want for our own
UHo, and what wc nuve been taking from
the United State.s. We will try tlio ex-
periment, and if wo are to take the
United >States as a proof of our [losition,
some twelve yocU-s ago they im^ osed Mc.
a pound on all woollen goods inpoited.
I)ei-idi!s 20 or .'10 per cent, w/ mlor,'.m
and what was the etlcct I Woollen gooils
there, to-day, are cheaper, unquestion-
ably, by 12A to 25 per cent., than they
were at that time. TJiat will be the
cflect in this country ; it will give the
poor man a cheaper and l)etter article
than lie lia.s now. It may bo, as the
hon. gentleman stated, that on account
of the competition, the manuCaciurer will
derive no [irotit, but, at any rate, the
people will get u good and cheap irtido,
in place of a rotten, worth. loss one. Now
it is said that the china the rich man
uses, pays a duty of 20 per cent., while
the common earthenware pays more.
We have several Li>-,i,'o establishments
engaged in tho manufacture of earthen-
ware ; there is one in Montre;il tnauuf.ic- !
tiiring $7,000 per month. In tho Pro-
vince of New Brunswick there is one for
stoneware ; but if we have no more, this
tftiiil' will cauae others to be estublishoU,

• )n thfwe two ArtirlAN that w« can pro-
<luce, we are nuking encouragonient ; w«
ask it because it will givf* «inploym«»nt
to tho iH'opIo Thiit in Hti article that
does not ie.piire millioiiH of dolUrs to lj«
invented in it, and you will have them
in every part of the country, wherovor
>'ou can tind the material.

Mil. iMACKKNZIK: Wher« is the
clay ]

Mr. TILLFCY: Thero is plenty of it ;
if not in the West, then in the Kast, and
wo will 1)0 happy to reciprocate in pro
ducts. Then we come to glasswure.
Ihero are certain classes of common
glassware that we do make, and wo have
iiiipoHed an additional duty on it, ami it
is l)eiievod tiiat com|)etition will produce
an article which can be fiirnisheil to the
consumer as cheap as it is at present.
Then we come to i)ian(m. It is said that
it is not proper to make a piano costing
S- pay a higher duty than one costing
i!?"'00 or «()00. It is impossible, lu a
proposition of this kind, to regulate a
scale to bear equally all around, but we
impose duty on the.so articles with a view
of encouraging the iiuhistries that wo
have in this country. They can make
all, or nearly all, that we require, pro-
vidiiig that they have tho market largely
to themselves, and the pioper duty is
paid upon tho.se articles when imported ;
tlierofore, it was considered advisable to
imjiose a specific and n./ luduniu duty.
Then then? lias been a good deal said
i"l)ouL books. Hnglish books, it is said,
pay a higlicr duty, and that tho cheaper
books pay ]e;ss when tho iluty is paid by
the pound. We kn .w that a great many
of the cheajier books, when they paid 5
per cent., paid less in pro|)orti'jn than
the others, because you had io pay
for the binding. lUit as I stated in the
out.set, it was for the [lurpose of saving a
valuable and expensive book, that, trom
the ability that had been displayed by
Its author, and the price ho had fixed
upon it, which made it higher '' i,
ordinary imblications, wo thought h
specific duty should be imposed, instead
of an lid valorem. It was for the pur-
pose, also, of removing the anomaly that
exitsed up to tho present time, whereby
we impose 171 per cent, on -wser f,nd
we admitted 'books, printed paper and
binding at 5 per cent. That was an in-
justice to our own printers and our own

Mr«r mukfTH, »nd thU «rnpo«Uion in
rniul« to n-mov.' tint HUoUMily, My h..t..
fiii-iMl. the l.=>'K'' "»■ ^''" <>!'!-'"»i"'''. "»
bin »i»'.H-li. llw othfi- ni«lit. |.uuil.'.l. I.H
ho li.iH .l(.f.« on othfli- .HViwuMm. U) Uif
Ui>itiMl Htat.'». to Hhow th.' •'Il.'ot hat
Proti'ction hrt.l hiul n|».n th- .•niiim|Mr..
of th.it country ; that it Imi .l.Htn..v.'.l, to
Rotntuin «xt.mt, thw fonun«n;.- of that
country ; that in, that it h.ul .lunu.iHhHl
the tonin.K« of i»"it .•oui.iry. Di.l niy
hon Irifii'l iroclU'C't iit tht. tinif, thi.i,
Wl.ii,. w.. vv,M.:ia.)l.tiu« .il.rot..rliv.. j.olu7

with r.l.Mi, <• to vmioim otli.r uuIuh-
trie., on th« qufHtion of h»''|;1"!'K. ;*•"
„ropo«« innr.im-.l f.u'iliii.'". lakm«th..

SHmlnit-uH it .•xisl.-.l in 1H(.3 l.ut
■hipping f.-ll otV 400,000 toUM tlm to low-
InB voar. That wan th« r.-Hult ol-tli.<
di*HcultifH that PxiHtfd in that oountiy ;
■hipH w.>r« Htl.«T d.'Htioyml, or thev
•werv HgiHtwed luulor th.- natn.-H ..f
BritiHh Hul.j.'ctH. Hut n\y »';"'•. <'•;'■"•
will Hay Una it was th.» high .lutioH that
were irnpom-.l upon the art icIoh that
entorcl int.) tlio ooiiHtruction of Hhipn,
that canml the .lin.inntion. Now, tlmt
wan not the only .litliou.ty that oxiHt.-.
during th.' war, au.l th.-re is no doui.t
that i.i Oroat Britain tho eoystruj-tu.n of
iron HhipH, vshi.h laivo largely taken he
pUtce <,f wooilon vosmO-, hail a good d.-a
to do with it ; and then' is no douLt hat
the duty that wan iu.pos.Ml upon the mate-
rials that 1-der.d into the oonHtruction ol
United HtateH vohsHh, had a good deal to
do with nniking then, more . xj-enHivo
than the «hiim of other count, u-s, and
lun.co th.. tonnntjo f.^U otl'. Hut n.y hon.
irien.l shouUl laive reinei..b.'.v.l that in
the K0).oMtion the CJovennnH.t has
made we pn.tect the HhipUnhler ni g.v-
i„K hi.u cl.eai.er n.at.rial ; w. .■nal.lo
him to la.il.l eh.'aper than ,et..re, an.
therefore, the very dilUculty that .-x.Hte.l
in the United States has l..H>n avoid.Ml l.y
thin pn.position. The hon. nie.n her tor
West '-iddlesex (Mi-. Kosh) tool" so.ne
plausible p..iuts in his spot-ch. lean
nuite imagine him on the stump ; 1 do
not wond.r that ho succeed.;.! in getting
a seat in Parlia.nent, because he can take
a point and present it in a plausible kind
of way. HcHay^i the Gov.uument have
brought down a proposition to give
d,-aw1.acks upon the ships built through-
out th« Dominion; but he says, what

,,, ,hcv .loina for th. 1ncomntlT«. 1 My
,„,„. ,„,.nd th.a.ght. no do«.bt. h« WM
,„„king « IHdnt that wo.d.l tak.» in hin
:.. :Lti'tu..ney, but had h« ^»r«otto,^
,.,l that h.H b,...n .h.n« by ;h« »«-"^'

,„..„tofth« Domi....... a...i »;y ";•""!'

",„n.ent.,f ohl fanada.byth..Uovrn.
„;.,,„, of NovK He,.th» .in.l ..ther l'rovu.c.|-
i„ th.' .•..nHtrn.th.n ..f railwayn I U
th..re any oth.^r in.luKl.y in th.H |)om n-
i.,n that han renivo.! th.- Ham« .Ur.«t
Hupp..rt f....n Government 1 Mv b«a
tVi'.nd tlM.ught he was making «,K)int,

an. In hi« «.-ction .'f tl mnlr, they .lo

„.;t own .hi|m. but if there IH .i ra.lroad
lh„i paM..H within a mdo of h.H cmnty,
„r ihl.t i-asseH thn.ugh it, that railroad
l.nH r.'c.-ived uwiKtan.v in.m t\w o d Gov-
,.,„n...nt of Cuunhi. or fr.m. the Province

.,rth.tari.., in excesH an.l bcyoml any-
thing that has ever be.-n given to any
..th.T industry, and p.operly h.). I now
...,meto an important .pu'sti.m, that i(i,
,1,„ s.iKar .pi.'Htum. I niust my I waH a
littl.. ama/,-d at the statement ma.le by
„,V ia-.>.lee.-MHor the oth.'r n.ght. I may
,„;,,' h.n-e heard him distinctly but I
,l,.,„.ht he Ht:.t..d wo wouhl lose
.«il,()U(t,Oi)0 by .air proposed change ot
duties on sugar.

Mk CMlfWlUtiin : I Hinted the
p,.,.pl.<.r Canada would lose more than
i5tl,<llt(),000. „ ,

M„. 'IIIJ-EY : Tt seems, Mr. Speaker,
that 1 have not been mistaken. I had
not the honour of a scat ui the House
when n.y hon. friend was Min.st.'i- of
Finance, but I ..■collect s.-eing in tl.o
,,aip<>rs the propositi..n that he lai.l upon
th." table, with r.fe.vnce to sugar, and
the ren.onstraiic. that was ...ade, and 1
aiipeal to menibei-s who we.e in the
House at the ti.ne, to boar me out in the
Htatement, that his fust p.-opoHitun- was
in the inteivst of refill. ng ot sugar ;
but di.l not that hon. genthman come
.lowii aft.'iwards by way of eiiouraging
retinii.g in this Domii.i..n, f^^l^'^^^ t
per cent otf th.- spetntlc .luty 1 If J mn
conv.^t, the hon. gentleman ca.ne down
an.l made that .•e.luctioii with the view
of continuing in existence the sugar
retiu.a-i.'s of the country. It appears to
me that he was pretending to give them
som.-thi.g, while he was ref.ising to
counteract the elTect of the b.-uii^y givcQ
in the Unite.l States, preten.lii.g to give
something to them, when there was no-

Iking In It wh»t«TMr t or •U* h« "••
!m^ch in •ccor.f.nc. with t.>.i o « w.

that in no lnciT«w, »«•««••««' '* }" ■*«|""
dUtlnctIv t»..U, wl...n M.H.UH ,xii> mvovU.l

mat it i.m-iK«ly ^»'""' " whm in tJ.ut

IlovoNu. 14. w„ «iv. 5 p- n.«t. morn
a.Ulitionul to llK, r«tinor, \t Jh proUjc-
tion BguinHt ihiH undue "l-'-.l^"."- ' '

;hi.-h I.UK a..lroy.Hl KUgar •;•«""»« f"
the luHt two y.Min. in thiH country In
L our vropoHition. Th.-ro m onlv 6 lu;.
cent diflerencfi on HUgi"

IH OUIV " I" '

.ihovt) Ko. 14.

rent uiuun'ii"' *"» ""n*" , •

S?oK.n. g.mtl.mun HayH that the ...uplo

ofCHnuaaVK««1.0()0..)0<.hyU. Have
„ade Hon.o culcuhaunm on t uh nudto,
may Ik, entirely wronK, but I w.U «. e
yoitheroHultof th..n.. '»•' -f;,;*"'^
the revenue hiHt y.iir wan f '2.9 0,000
Mu CAKTWiUOUT : I uaid nothing

"^S.'SrLEY:Iunaor.tcK>ahim
sav that the revenue waH «J,J0O,("iu,
a the rc.ei,tH, unaer thin ta.it . wouh
he $1,900,000, which wouUl he a Iohh ol

Mr. CAimVUlOHT : T w.l tell the
hon. g..ntlenmn what I naul, and what I
tht Ae niUBt h..ve unaerKtood^ I ha
the puhlic returns in my hand, trom
which I W.U. reading. I -ad to am
then what ho m.iHt know-and it .h
Seetly abHurd for him to ..ffcct ignor-
Elthat we got 12,500,000 last year
TL^ revenue, and hy his preHcnt
texes it would cost the country
g'> O^O 000 if that sugar was brought m
J:fhe 'same quantities ana the H.,ne
values as now ; but if. as is l>robable the
sugar is manufacturea in th- -vrntry
tlie total revenue would be $1,900,UU, or

*^ M^ TIJLLEY : I understood him to
Bay rc'venue, but that '^n«*'«'^" ^^ J"!'
Sse very well, because it emiblei^ me o
^e my statement, which is directly
f;;osite' Now, I bave^made up he e

t . T XUlnlr

JrUl he the result, under

thU tariff of nM.1 jrwr. •• wH^l^nHl

w« lm|«rt«J 106.240>0 Hm. Ub

Im. in to U n.«n..a. And th.r^ b
another jKilnt, with nf-r-noe to tl... .ad«
i„ the Unlti-a Htat.-. and in hnglanO.
Una..rtheo|.^rathmuf the law we now
a»k the Parlia««'«''>t to m.^iov... thor«

will ».« little r.»lni-d Hugar .>.•« »»«»

th.« United States, but, un. er U« o,j«<r«.
tiu.m. we will have large importn fl..m
Knglatul. Mr. Tilh-y .hen dw.lt ..n
olh... branrheH of the M.gar .,u.Ht>o... '....J
„how...lthat ««.»5:«3.«44 were l.n.a on
.ngar im.H.rtea ana .on.un.ea h.Hl yrar,
.« ag«inHl»«.'i9:M»'"» for the next ye.»r,

Ih,. ditre,e,u-e in lavou.' <.f th. ...mHun.er
heii.u #:J40.000 in addition to th-^ hen. -
,i,l ...inf.rr.Ml .m th., count.y by ro-
,l„.,,ieH. a..a the en.j.U.yment g.v,... to
the imople and Cunadian veH-eln. Mr.
Tilley the., nuul th.. following Htate.nent,
Hhowing the in.,..rtH fr.m. (Wt .•.ta.n
una the U,>i..aStateK. for IS78. and th«
,„.<,,,o„...l .ncreamHl d..ty .... the Han... :--
Ag.i.M.ltu.-.U im,.lc...<'»t« /."...< 5"at
Britain. #9,592 ; f.om the UniUHl HlaU'ij,
«l'lo ()'',;. 7 A i>er c«mt.. incnwHe ; ani-
fn a^'fr...;! (5reat Britai.. S-^i''^ *./-'"
t runite.1 8t.ites ri3«.Ol5. K i-er
,..„t. i...Te.vHe ; b.-eadstuflH from he^
Britain Z'lXM'i, f'C"* the United
Htates, #13,350,777 15 l«'r cent, n-
c,e..He ; carri.ig.)S from Ore.a t.un
m l.W, fnm. United Htates «B3,504. 7*
*; cent. inc.*..He ; clocks from Great
Ilritai.. »7,420. fro... Umt.,.! Htates

#59.7.0, 17J l>"^ «-•"»*• "rr;;S

anth...cite, from Great Britain #7,503,
from United Htates #1.408,523, increase
50c. nor ton ; bitun.i.ious coal
•on. Great Britain #323,055, f.-om
United Sfites #1,169,731, increase
50c. por ton; copper mauufacturea
trom Gre.tt Biitain |8,G37, .md fro.n
United States #15,884, 12^ pr cent,
increase ; cotton manufactures Hj^ifio
and ad valorem from Great B. tain
4(1 "03 830, fi-om United Stiites
ft'>'472'l84, 10 per cent, increase;
ll^Je^'lLthenwar^^^^^^^^
#40,000, from Un.tea States #40.000,
io per cent, increase ; dried fr^^t from
Great Britain #166,018, from Un.ted

States, #261,000, 7i ^r .<;«"%>"«7J«V
green fruit from Great Bnta.n#134 460,
from United SUtes #333,334, 10 per

«§■!. lnoi«M« ; furnliu.* fiom Onm%
Brluln 113,301, mad fmto Unlud 8t«l««
I5H7.J70. 171 ptrwnt I'W'J:"^/. f" "'
titrtw from (»w»t nriuln |l 1,1 1-», from
UBit*Hl HutM |73.8J;$, lii !•«•" «»»*•
iMffMMi Indl* ru»)».«r «oo.U from
OrtAl BriUiii «'K1.()79, from ih.i Uint«.l
BUIM «92,'Jin. iiior«.»<.« 7* jmr ««iil. ;
looomollve m».!hia«rv fiom (»rinit BriUin
$l57,ft07, from tU« ITiiitiMl HUt««
i507,70ft. incrtniw 7J |M»r cut. ; lubmK,
tAokit, lUiiU, -«|'ik«-», >«.>wiii« m.i.;hit>.w
fromilnnit Hriluiu »l3S,80tJ, from Uir.
Uiiit.'.l Hlal.i« «J79,ll3, iiv-rmK^ rij
p«r turnt. ; glaMW.in., comuiou, fro'»
bre.a llrlUln •37,R4 1, from t,h« lTml.«.l
8Ute» $20«,413, incr.M».t 10 ,wr c«ut. ;
do., rtiw* <ni'ility, from Clniat llriUuv
|14W,7'J4, froMi tliM UuiUnl HUUw
$2l'y,743, iuortHiH.) '2\ l»«r wiit. ; >»ail.l-
flnt', cahit.nltimki'rH* mi'l curriiig" w.irn
an.l .•iill.My, montly from Kiixluri-l, [.ay
but '2\ ad valorem, from Oront BritrtUi
IflO.'jrt, from tli.t Ui»il«il Stjitim
11 7;tl 70fl, ii\<Miij{.< l<) i>»'r ooiit. ; liinl
from Ureat Hriuiii Sl.ti.'^l, from »,ho
Uuitcd Si:itnH $210,902, im'r.Mi^« 75 pr
oent. : »"»<'ou 'nul ImmH from (Jrotit
Britain !?l,Oll, from iho Unito.l Htutt-n
$200 003, lOi) jMjr cotit. imn-OiW.) ; Miuall
oruailn .mil i.uum from droat Britain
f'J.GOS, froi-i tho Uiiitod HtatoH
ftftl)322, iucrwiso 7 J p"r oi-iit. ;
lj.).)k8 from Oroat li.iiaiti f3'0,()<jl),
from tint IJnito.l HtatoM «l.*l,4m),
moro than douhUMl ; l.ilUar.l tahloH
from Groat Britain S^f); from tho
Unito.1 StatoH $11,129, 17^ pr cont.
incH'asH; hrooiim and »)rufhos froni
Great Britain «20,319, fro.a tlio Unitud
States 122,707, incnnwo 7^ per cent.;
tfunpowd-r and oxplosivoH from Cheat
Britain !5!20,319, from tho United States
$90,000 intrroaH 7 A per cent.; hats,
cap8, from Grout Britain «368,000, from
tho United HtatoH ^675,600, increase 7^
per cent. ; coppcsr und brass from Great
Britain $70,33«, ^oiu the United States
824,195, 10 per cent, increase. The im-
ports of the foliowinj; articles are greater
from Great BriUiin tlian from the United
States : manufactures of furs from Great
Britain $129,187, from tho United States
8G7.892, increase 7^ per cent.; pig iroi

rata, MiKMM, biiut.,^**-. f'"",;ir;

BriUln •l,«04,ftlU. from ih« UnU«l

HUU»i|322.rt>«H.«v«rX,»? ^I.f?lV
Iron nhii'i from Omul BrlUln, f54«,«H3,
fn.mih.. amt«dSut.»i |ni,'254, •milt*

10 p«r emit ; w.n.lhn K«'^* /'^"" J*',*!!!
Hritun «2.7fl5,l31, ftpom the anll^

State, «73.H07, ^^^T^Jk^J^^^

do from Qtmi Brltun •1,756,000, firoa

UnitiKl BUM •7M'""'A'»T*'RStK
wtit do. flner from Or«*t BrtUltt
iZin'ortH, from UniUKl SUtM lO'J.OMj
i»cn.:u.«74 rr cent.; »'»*"''"^- .^^^
.... .rsent woollen, from ^^re-'L, ""J'!'.
11 107,000 from United Stata* 1103,087,
increase HJ lM.r cent. ;ootlon « .odn frooi
Great Brit'i.U2.H35,2t'J. from United
Slates «l.022.7S2, Inoreiweai P*"" ««"»•#
earthenwar. froni ( ruat BrlUlj
«:».1(»,II00, from tiie United HtAte*
ftl.\0O0. iaerease 2^ r"" '-"'"t. ; Imott
!„o.U from Grea Britain «90rt.237.rom
United Stales «fj.45l», incre.wo 3i lH)f
cent The whole vaUie of the imporU
from tlreat Britain, here '•;f'':r"'[^;». «
il7 •>83 321, and from iho United ftatw*.
X)H'r,(»«'flyi. In this way it U expected
lo iiicrease llie r.,venue from arLiuhm on
tlie first page largely imported from tlio
United Slates, «l,027,fiOO ; on merchan-
aise received principally from Groat
Britain, i|!i0.5,000 ; on smaller arti" es
and imports from other ^•'""'^'•'"!' "IJ''"''.
tho 2,V per cent, incrcaw, «750,UUU ,
from Jilk goods §1.^.0.000 ; spirits and
wines, Customs, «l I '.000 ; ^xose sp.nta
.^lOO.OOO ; making a total of !?-,t)l i.nuu.
Then de.lucting the reductions on sugar,
!B2r,0,000 ; tea, 90,000. With regard to
the tea, it will now be largely nupoitoa
fn.in Kngland and fro.n China and
Japan, in.stead of fro.n the United State..
If live or Hix establishmentB monopoliK*
the whole of tho business of the Domm-
I woul.l ask if it woul.l not b«
these establish monta

ion,

nreferable that v^-...^ - -
HhouUl be locat.Ml in Oana.la instead of
New York or Bostoni Tlie ro luction on
iJe: would amount to «10.V).)0 and
the amount on drawbacks %. 100,000.
living a total of «540,'M)0, whicii would
CeabaUncoof$2,l0.^600.i8 the ex-
pected result of this tanflf.

The hon. gentleman then proceeded to

United States 3,913 tons; I™'" ^^^^^^^J | J^«JJ^. ^•"'''' ''*

Britain ;f5y(,823, from tue ^■'■"";' i "^^"'j „„«.««« ner oound, chttugwd K>

States $90,901, increase $2; bar, steel, 1 Caudlea, paraEne. per pou

aajr

|«. Mp«rn *0'l oth«r», •io«p* M\nw, IS fw

•Ml.

B«bl»lt maUi, 10 p«« «Mi
MttlbitM or »U ktiwlf. IS pM omU.
Obarkml ana «trl|M4iMrtlB(i >«• P^ '•'*•
and It 9*1* «'«nl.
OotMin •In- k o» i«ft»««i •nd »*H »w»M. » P"*

Drlwl »pi.l«« p«' poiiwl, Ifl. AH «♦•»•»
4rl«<l fruit, in p«r omI.

lUu, uittm ana bowMto, l» V** *:•«»»• .

lUtUr* |>lu»h ol illh ot oomm'm, l«» l»"
Mat

IroBMiil iit«"il wIm. »> p<»»o«ill.

Iron .»«lliiK* of »ll Win.U, 15 !»•• f«"-

CiKUlroii, uiu, wnUir nn.l «dw«ir pip«, 38 P«»

Rollo<l txmin* wi'l «h»nn«l*, »niili» •ml ift^,
IS por <«ir»t. . f

Iron brlilKH* hikI "tn <:tur»l Iron work, iMM
Utl "loorn fi.r *kfu<l rttt'l Vi»uU«i, 15 P" "•«»*•

Wiro-v»ork w»r<)« au'l looWn of nil klodi,
p«r c«nt.

Lwwl plpo AttJ «hnt. 2S per cent.

Olov.mi»t»«l rnltU of Iwithor, 15 prtroMl.

Oil iilotli, 111 por o«m»..

Plp<) oiKrtim »«'! Hiitrt or iM»rU of loM
roetlN for c;Hl»in<!t orniinK, 21 P"r cunt.

Piipor piil|>, 25 por «:<)nl.

P»ltit« mill colour* Kround In oil or
Othor liiiuld, i5 p.ir<!.int.

Whito *a'l rud loud, dry, and bUiauth, B por

*°Pap«r hanKlngc ojd p»por caiondorod, 32 J
par cent.

Lead nonclU, 25 per cent.

Rolled Hilvor, 10 pur toot. , . ,

Pruri.'IU and lotton knlttlnsn foi boot*,
■aoeM and nlove*. 10 pur <;ont.

Boiip, p«rfutaed, ;io por c.mt.

WluoH to pay iid.litlonni for oiicli dogrnu of
BtronntU ovor 26 per <«nt. of proof eplrlte, la-
■toudof 6u. for ovory live .logroos or 1o»h,

8c.
Colo«no water, etc., per nallon, $1.90 and :iO

por cfut. . . 1 II

Ht«cl Innots, brtm, colU and ihorU, railway
barn, IIhIi pliite«, after January Ut 1881, 10 por

aiuioio «yrup, per pound, Ja an 1 35 por

Foil for bootH, shoot and glore lining*, 10

'"BarytoM, l>rimntout3, crud.) chloride of Hmo,
cream of tarUr in cryHtJiU, oto., froo.

He now came to the alditionivl rov-
oimo oxpctod from various iirtiolns iw
foUowH -.—From agrici.Uur.il itiiplomorits,
nothing ; animals, $25,000, broadstuff^,
$250,000 ; o.irriagos, nothing ; clocks,
$5,000 additional ; anthracila co.il,
$175,000 ; bituminous, $100,000; «-ot-
t-jn, spi'citic and (k/ vUorern, $100,01)0;
driod fruits, $30,000; gas fixtures,
$5,000 ; locomotives, $20,000 ; ticks,
«te., $30,000 ; glaaaware, coarse, $15,000 ;

gla«WM*» ftw, 19,000 iboUa*.-* and

•Ml \mooa, $38,000 ; book., $55.000 }
guntiowaw', ^. $10.000 1 b^Mwl cai*,
137.500 ; BMirtilo »nd i«i»*»to» ■»•;*'»••
$15,(K)0; ooppMT b»rn, 10,000; fur«,
,«»,uif»ctur«.l, Ifi.OOO ; pig »r;m,
$flO,000; lr.m bwi^ $300,000, wo-dUn

g.K.d«. $iM'>.(M)0;.iikg.KKU, •[j;.;><»j

•piiiU. and wltiMi, r„-.»..ms 110,000;
•plriti., «xeli« $100,000; dutlw from
other countri.* and ailvaiMW* of Si l>«r
cant. lnK"<"»«. d^ftO.OOO. Mr. tilUj
Huld that tlnmn lnor«MWi w«r« nwjwaiiHry
to miitt th." ..xi»'mUtun«of th« country,

and Huch b. .u4 ."*^.»py, th..y had l^a

urrang.«lHoa^tod.-v-lo|. thn Indu-itrlat
of t.ho Doiininon. ri>" majoiity of th«
iwoi.ln ImIm . Uhal with .Mu-rgxtic and
«nt.n|)iwitig AiiMTioan -.nauufttcturer*
,u;ro*« th« \'um, t!anadian mauufaoUirur*
coulil not |»roHiM!r un'l«r a low tariff. It
wiiM Haiil that w« w«r« adoj)ting a policy
ai varianco with that of (ir«at Bntam.
No mai» '-ould Hay what th« iH)lioy of
Gro.it Britain would Iw Hvn ym% h.mce.
A vory Migmticant annwor wart giv«n by
tho MiniHt. , of Fonugn AHairi» whon r€h
oontly io..oivmg a d.jtiitation, which
ankod whiahor sonui innu«nc« could not
bo broiiglit to b.Mir on thoso fontign coun-
tries adopting protectivi) mmwunm with a
view to indue.) thoin to chaiig" their
poUoy. Thn answur wiw that Groat
Britain had nothing to give. Its free
tra.h> policy fiirnish.-d it with nothing to
uivo. Caua-la, howovor, was now m a
position to go to Paris and Hay that }♦■
had something to give in ri-tu.n for con-
c(«ssioiis grantHd. The samo loinark ajv.
plio.l to Sp.iin an.l tho Uuito'l States aa
w.'ll. It was said that a protective
policy had proiluooil Hociaiism and an ir-
r.' liHiiiiabl.) paper cu*- cy. Without
entering into the menu, of the question,
lie would ask wh tt pirty in the United
Scales favounMl an irredeemable paper
currency. Tlio Protectionists and the
Ile|)ublicans opposed it. V/ith respect
t ) 8 sialism which it was h aid Protec-
tion would introduce into Oanala, it orig-
inated in Germany, which was a Fi-ee-
trilo country, though now becoming Pro-
tectionist. What caused the strikes m
liiiglanll They ware due to foreign
countries, under protective tariSs, being
nble to Eend their manufactures mfcn
England, which was followjJ by EuglUo

manufacturcw annotincing that they
ZHt,.aucothcwug.softhen-handH or
Sey could not compete with fomgiierB
K^reat Britain adoptcl a differen
V,olicy-^lH. did not «ay ^.hether it would
or not- it would have Bomething o ofler
Sher nations to ir.duco them to admit its
mamifactures at lower duties. At all
Tent ?tt« Government felt they were
altL in this question in th. nten-sts of
r.Sa which looked to the Govem-
^Tnttd to Parliament to legislate in its
Sten-Hts. It was all very well to make
Sis a cheap country to ^^^rioTt^^
people had no employment, loy P"^««
We useless. If ^e desire the Do-
minion to become what we expect to see

it, we most not only bring people into
it but retain those already hero, eucl. ot
whom, according to the calculations of
hon gentlemen opposite, was worth
$1,000. At a subsequent stage the
liouse would enter into the details of the
proposals, which . uld then be discussed
inore fully, but he was satished that to-
duv the people of the country were in
favour of the National Policy. Hon.
gentlemen opposite said the sun was
shining on their side. If it were so, let
them bask in it, but they on the Minis-
terial benches believed that the Policy
submitted would promote prosperity and
happiness to the country.