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All other original copies are filmed beginning on the first page with a printed or illustrated impres- sion, and ending on the )iou of this kind ; without hav- luK ol>lij;iHl ua to listen once more to tlio passionate appeals to racial and religitiiis prejudices such as we have heard lu this debate. I linve always bwu of the opin- ion that tills wan not lilie place to di.«- cuss rcllt?lous matters. And I have always thought, as n citizen of the province of liue- bec, and as a true friend, I ti'ust, to the n^ln orlty In Manitoba, that many of the discus slons that were heard dnrliiK the last Par- liament should never have taken place. lu this I do not wish to speak for only one side of politic*. I hope this Is tue last time thai this qnefitlon will conn* before us a.s a I'olltlcal question. We have heard the hon. member for Beauhairnols (Mr. HetK(>rou), the 'lupposed leader of the province of (Quebec '»u the Conservative side. Hut, unfortunate- ly. his Intention expressed lu the end of hli second, or, we nniy say, his third speech, 1b not at all In accord with the beginning of his speech, and therefore I tlud only one explanation of all his speeches, and of the position hi) has taken yentcnlay :iud to- day ; It is. t^hat nmber>' of the Ontario wing who rode the Pivjtestflut horse. The hon. member for Henuharnols has thought propcf to ride both horees at the same time. I acknowledge that the hon. member has mnny of the qualities of a political clown, though he has not nmny qualities to HHNurc hlni any other position In the political arena. Hut this time he has falle«l cviMi In thivt 1 suppose he w:i.t afraid that his friend and collcMgiie the hon, mem- ber for West York would forget to ride tbe rrolcstani hinse, and he would show bini sfune movements of that animal to be prac- tlcod next time In Ontario. If anything In to Ih- gatiion'd from the long »pe<»ch, divltifld into tlnce parts, of tlte hon. member for Heauhiirn lis, It was that the fiiberal party has deceived (he 'Catholic electorate of tbe Dominion, that they had deceived the Pro- testant electorate of the Dominion and that they had deceived the I'ope. 1 do not think it Is necessary to argne these points at any \f' i i %■ length. B'ut, as for the first, I will say fonjto discuss religions questions at all, and es- myselif, as a Liberal of the province oftj peeially such religious questions as interests Quebec and a Roman Catholic, I can speakn only the laymen and clergy of one particular for the people of Quebec as well as can thej faith. Sir, we have a right, as British sub- bon. member for Beauharnols— and, I think, much better— and I can say that tlie Catho- lics of Quol)ec have not been deceived. We do not say that the settlement achieved by the right hon. Premier and his colleagues Is a full and complete settlement. When we consider that such a question as the Manitoba school quesbtou had been treu'ted on most unsound principles for five years, had been so handled as to develop racial and religious passions, we could not expect It to be settled altogother satisfactorily in the first instance. Tlie Government coming into power had to settle the question so as to do substantial Justice to everybody, and not deceive anybody, and this has been achieved. I do not want to enter again upon the quarrels of the past. 1 think we have already had too many divisions be- tween the two parties on this question. I do not pretend that all the members of the Conservative party were deceitful in their policy 01 this question. As to the hon. leader of the Oppoeitlou (Sir Charles Tupper), 1, a young man, do not wish to be under- stood as having said that he had pursued a deceitful course In this matter. I bellev jects, to go where we like to settle ma.tters of our own church. In saying I'hat. I know 1 have not only the approval of Catholics but of independent Protestants in this House who wish this country to be free to every- boily, of whatever creetl or nationality. During long (iebtitos In this Uout;e we often boast about our country, about its size, its resources and Its splendid growth. Everything we say should convince us that there is room for all kinds of people, but there is no room for national prejudices, no room for naiTow views or for that kind of politics that the hon. member for West York has tried to Impose on this House and this country for many yoara, and lh«t, misled, 1 am sorry to say, by the example of the hon. member for Beauharnols, he has tried to impose on us again. The con- duct of the hon. member for Beauharnols, the stand he has taken upon the question, would make me ashamed of my province, but that I know that the feelings expressed by him are not the ftn^lings of the pe«:)ple In the province of Quebec. air, 1 do not often trouMe this House with the local politics of Quebec, but I think I the hon. leader of the Opposition and sorael may say that the province of Que4)ec Is Just members of his party were sincere. But lias liberal and Just as Brltlslj as any other believe that, by reason of the elements Inl pi-ovince In the Dominion of Canada, and his own party In different provinces of the! we Intoud to keep her so. W( say that In Dominion, the hon. gentleman could not pos-| rlils ntatter the province of Quebt"; has not sibly have settled this question, if the hon, gentleman were not still in political life, I think that he, as well as Sir Mackenzie Bowell, could tell, with regard to this ques- tion, that it was Impossible for him to achieve success, because he was In the mklst of a nest of traitors. Supposing even that the <.*onservatlve party had been returned to power, and had sought to carry out their policy of putting into force remedial legis- lation, 1 believe that with the elements In their own party, fAud with the condition of I not have seitleil tlie school questlop, even after the RenuHllal BUI was passed. But these are things of the past, !>nd we must fac^e the question as it stai'ds to-duy. The first duty of the present (lovernment on coming Into power was to calm national and religious prejudices, before they attempted to do anything else— and in tliat they suc- ceeded. There was also one spw-ial (lucstlon to be considered, and that was the situation of the Oatliolk? LUbenahi of th(> pi\>vlnce of Quel»ec. The lender of the Liberal party, because of his attitude upon this question. had been represented In the province of Quobec as a traitor to hi« race and religion been deceived, and her people have given proofs of it time after time since the gen- eral electlo! s. 1 will not attempt to answer the ridiculous accusation that the Catholic Lll)eriils of the House of Commnos and of tile Senate have tried to deceive the Poi?e. The hoai. mvinljer for Beauharnols trpoke of tlie Pope hi such « way as to please the nit»mber for W^est York (Mr. Wallace), but he nHi»t uot think that the members of this House are so Ignorant or so prejudiced as not to know better the character of Pope public sentiment in the country, they could Leo XIII. Many Protestant countries are proud to e.itertaiu cordial relations wltih the Pope. There are good Protes'tauts In this House, niiid there are also good Catholics, but I do not think there Is a Protestant In this House that woiihl accuse Blfimarck, the late Iron Chancellor of Qerusaiiy, of having betrayed the Pi-otestaut hiteresta ot Germamy In favour of the Catholic minority of that Empire. When a dispute arose betiween (Jepmawy ami the Kingdom of Spain upon a point of deep Interest to the (lorinau i)'>o)»le, to whinn dUI Prince Bis- marck tupply to obtain a settleiuont of the question V He npplitnl to Pope Leo XHL and wliwi Judgment was i-endered agalnut "Sir, 1 do not Intend lo bring up In thlsftteiinnmy In favour of Spain, did you hear Chamber ditflcultles tliat arose between tJiel the olllclal press of (Jeniiany crying out Catholic clergy and the Liberals of the pro-lagailiii*t the xIvcIsUhi, ami ondea' ourliig to vince of Quebec. This Is no place to dl8-le.\clie the feelings of the Protestanta against cuss such questions. This Is not the placet tbu Holy See because the decision had b«en .^ rendered in favour of a CitboUc country and i against a I'rotestant country '*. No, Sir. ' Tliere ia fluffiolent breadtli of mind In Ger- many and Ir^ many «r countries ; there i8 sufficient ibreadli. of mind in this country to enable the Protectants to realize tlie bane- j flceut effect of the Papacy in this world. I do not say tl.^Jt tae Pope should interfere between Catihollos or Protestants in crivil matters, uor has he attempted to do so. Sir, one of the great stait^uieu of France, one of ihe greatest philosophers of thin century, who was a devoted Protestant aod at one time Pri-me Miaipl?r of his country, Guizot, satd ooce that the Catholic Church was a srreat school of "eepect. Let not my Protestant fellow-countryinen fear be- cause we Catholics desire to exercise the right of going to the head of our church to settle dlfflcuifciee that may arise among ourselves. I^et not our Protestant frieoids to this House be uneasy. The more we are atta^'hed to the Holy See as Cathoiics, the greater our respect for the rules of our church, the deeper will be our attaohmeut, let me assure our Protestant friends, to the political authority of this Dmpire, the deeper will l>e our attadimBUt to tlie civil rights of Canada ajud of Great Britain. The hon. member for East Grey (Mr. Spreule) made us a very fine oCPer, as he often does. When- ever we have dihlouity with our priests he suggests that we should send them to jail. Mr. SPUOULK. I w^isli euvi?:iaticaHy to contradljt that, aud I am surprised that the hon. gentleman should attempt to oiisrepre- Bent what I did say. I said that In case of interference on the part of the priesthood with the political or civil rlglits of the peo- ple, we have lawj upoai our statute-booli punishing ."suCh interference, and I aslted why the Prime Minister did not invoke that Claw. Mr. BOTIIIASSA. Well, the toon, gentle- man has oxiplalne<1 himself much better on th'is occasion rtian he diil l>ef()ro. Ho iias simply said In fifty words what I made him say in ten. Sir, what is tliat interference whicli tlie clergy of guebiH- iiave been aooiis- ed of exori^ 'ng during the last election? Cer- tain t»ishop8 of tlie province of Quebec and some members of the r-lergy, tooli n certain stand in tiie last eloctJoii. and licld that «''a- ithoilc voters could not vote f(ir lilliernl can- didates. They iMised tJieir interference upmninion of Canada to do any tiling contrary to the sovereignty of the British Empire, or that would bring them into conflict in any way with their Protestant fellow-citizens. -Mr. BERGERON. Will you read the letter ? Mr. BOURASSA. I have only the French text of the letter, but I will read the para- graph, and afterwards give the translation : MaintenaDt que, en vertu de la decision rficents du Conseil priv^ de la Reiae en Angleterre, le gouvernement Mdfiral est certaln-jment pourvu de rautorltfi requlae pour trailer cette trda grave question, U y a lieu d'eip6rer qu'elte trouvera enfin cette heureuse •olutiou que r6clament ot lea droits les inieux '^tablla et le bien de la religion et de I'Btat. , Now that, iu virtue of the recent decision of the Queen's Privy Council In England, the Fed- eral Qovernment Is certainly pi-ovlded with the requisite authority to treat this very Important question, there Is reason to hope that a solution will Anally be found which will be In accord- ance with well-eetabllshed rights, as well as with the welfare of religion and of the state. A difference of opinion wus manifested among the members of the clergy In Que- bec as to tlio appHcallon to be given to that deoiAlon of the Privy Ooim<3ll. All that the Catholics of Que*)ec were askwl to do was to vote for me«i who would put in force tiie Judgment of th.- Pri^y Council. But we Liberals claimed the right to decide for ourselves as to what means should be taken to Aiivply that Judgment, and to secure to the minority the rlglits which we believed they liatl been deprived of. We claimed that liberty then, and we claim it now. I must apologize to the House if 1 touch ui>ou certain points that are periia.iw not inter- esting to all tiie meiivbeiis of the House, but 1 do w> In order to 'explain wliat was our position. Wo have now tlio pi-oof tJiat our coiiteation was gi>od, l»erause in tlie fucy- cilcal to which the member for Heanharnols has rHfeci-ed. it is stated in plain terms tliat we are at perfect lihertv in respect to tlie means to lie taken to prcK'ure a sotllemeut of that question. Mr. BERGERON. Is thnt settlement ac- cepted by the encyclical ? Mr. BOURASSA. Tlie hon. member for Beauhamols Ims treate^l that settlement with great severity. He has been more Catholic than the Pope. But I doirbt his since rlty, Mr. BERGERON. That is not an an- swer. I want to know from my hon. friend Whether that settlement has been P Sl*?Att. /"^''** ^^"«^ ^^ »^* Jl *^2F^^^^:^ ??*"* settlement tias be«i teraaed by the Pope to almost ttoe »att« HJrtrtt as was exprea«od a moment wo. by the Prtme Minteter -wten he said tn«t he knew the aettlement \«fa8 mot a oer- fect cme. bot that It was a settlement as rw- as the Intervention of this Parliament Mr. BBEGERON. No^t at all. show the hon. gentleman — . I want to Sooae ihon. MBMBEBS. Order ; order. aiSL^fP^^^^^ '^^« ^'^- gentleman allows me to^ intewopt him. I want to remind hto t6at His Holiness the Pope, In the encyclical wMch he has Just menW^ed «ay» that the settlement wilcSi h^ hS come to is ineffecWve and unacoeptatole. The SOLICITOR GENERAL. He notWng of the sort. • says Mr. . BOUKA88A. The hon. gentleman S?f '^.";\«'«>3^e"cal with a lf5?e "S »i^^„ 4 5°».^®xv'*y« *•»»* *'il8 settlement was Inspired by the false disposition of this Qorernment, of the Prime Mlnlste? and of ^L^}^J^ of Canada, he hi flatly contm- dlcttng the words of the Pope, because the Pope says that this settlement' was Tn^ired by a spirit of Justice. I do not wish to ^nn.*.*'*'?:* ^y '•«"«f*°"« Winclples or my national at^nchment In this tiouse or on the platform, but I say to the hon. member for B«iuharnois *hat when the Roman cSthoUc Ohnrcu 18 not satisfied with what hS iSS wlf and be heard as well as that hon. mem- ber. I am a Arm believer In the Catholic Church and In the destiny of my race be^ cause I know that In America under our ?ii*^ role tbere Is freedom for every creed eJrL^ ^ ?/ chnrcb, and If I am a fltm belieTer in the future of my race It to becanse the poIltlCB and policy afflmed Iw the hon. member f©r Beanbamols and tbe lldes and poUtlcs that are going to prevail In this country. I believe flmjiy that ihi» school question wUl be settled, and settled on account of the position taken by this Government, a jMwltlon which has been met by the good-will of the Qreenway QoTem- ment, which has given moare since this Gov- wament came Into power than during the Whole time when hon. gentlemen opposite were In office. 1 hope this to the laS^we Shall hear of this question, not because we are afraid of it or afraid of the position tha* we and this Government have taken. We are able to meet hon. gentlemen opposite in the ivroTince of Quebec, and there are mem. hers from the English provinces who are ao^ meet the hon. member for West York and ;he hon. member for Bast Grey on their uo-popery platform. I trust that so long 18 this party n 1q power questions of ma \ ind will l>e me* in tihe same way. I think hon. gentlemen opposite Include men of goi d-wlll, and I know that there are bon meml ers sitting noit far from the hon. mein^ ber f r B^uharnols and the hon. member for \\ est York who are also desirous that this qii estlon should be settled In a Just man- ^'akJfJ^'^L^'^f^ '^'^ appeal" J'^^e tiio«e made luring tho last day or two will never be rep lated In Parliament. I thank tho hon. memb, rs for the kind aitenUon to wWch they h ive listened to my remarks ; I had no intent )n of speaking so long, but I think I had ti express the views of my feiloiw- thTiUSoV" *'^ '""'^""'' °' "^^'"^ ^^