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P..: " mil.V NHWS '• STKA.M JOB OFFICE, CAKTERBITRV .STREET. ..if/'- ■ liyiffiir*!! II •" ' r » . f 1 H FOR REFERENCE AClUlt i.^C NOT ro MK TAKIA r UOM Till KOOM Adte Tlnirsda the Refo>-n woce of |Finance, t mink at ] ,/ welcome ; greeted, th I nnd aroun( j siastic maf ; ingtohcm I visitors oj I produced , citizens. ble impre; i were brou; kenzie an them, and our city ar hand the feaiing i J dially re h fair heari I large nua i Rink, and I Messrs. M i Hon. Mr. drove to tl ed with en l being pres 1 A large pi side oppos ing, a greii body of th One the pi niimbers o Carleton, sides reprc of the Pro form and t , gentlemen of Custor Anglin, J. Brydges, Messrs, t George G. S. Baker, '' Hamm, lit J. Harriso George F. Wetmore, : Timothy ; Clerk, P. i I '^ ■^L4^g|i«iiijlff^ ■ ^^ it^n i^ r-^, 1 ildto fn Hon, Messrs MACKENZIE and CAI1TWRI6IIT, AND THEIR. REPLY. Tlnirsday -.viis a day of great interest to I Ihc RefoTi Party in this city. The pre- j sence of the Premier and Minister of iFinance, the very large gathering at the iBink at 10 a. m., and the enthuHiastic ,/ welcome with which they were there greeted, their visit to points of interest in and aroimd the city, tlie largo and enthu- siastic mass-meeting at tlie Bink last cveu- ; ing to hear the opinions of the distinguished ' visitors on the public topics of the day, produced a favorable impression on our citizens. We are sensible that the favora- ble impression was mutual, that all who were brought in contact with Messrs. Mac- kenzie and Cartwi-ight were pleased with them, and the interest they manifested in ' our city and its industries, and on the other hand the visitors leave the city with a feoling that they have been cor- dially received, and have had a fair hearing. Yesterday morning a large number of citizens gathered at the Rink, and at ten in the morning the Hon. Messrs. Maclcenzie and Cartwright, with Hon. Mr. Burpee and C. W. Weldon.Esq., drove to the Eink, where they were receiv- ed with enthusiasm, the City Cornet Band being present to do honor to the occasion. A large platform had been erected on the side opposite to the entrance of the build- ing, a grefit portion of the remainder of the body of the Eink being filled with seats. One the platform and front seats were large numbers of citizens, with delegations from Carleton, Portland and Indiantown, be- sides representatives from various sections of the Province. Among those on the plat- form and adjoining seats were the following gentlemen : Hon. Isaac Burpee, Minister of Customs; Senator Lewin, Hon. Mr. Anglin, J. S. Boies DeVeber, M. P., C. J. Brydges, Esq., C. W. Weldon, Esq., Messrs. Chas. Burpee, M. P., Sunbury ; George G. King, Queens County; George S. Baker, Stephen E. Stevens, Matthias Hamm, Robert Robinson, Arthur McLean, J. Harrison, Henry Maher, Uriah Drake, George F. Harding, D. W. Clerk, E. J. Wetmore, Robert Coleman, C. J. Cain, Timothy Cusack, S. P. Osgood, Charles Clerk, P. Gleeson, John Cochran, J. R. Rigby, S. Strang, Alex. McDermott, B. Coholan, Geo. F. Fleming, Dr. Alward, Silas Alward, A. A. Stockton, Wni. Eldei, M. P, P., Wilham Lawlor, R. C. Dunn,M. D. Austin, George E. Snider, A. G. Blaks- lee, J. \V. Lawrence, John Livingston, Ed- ward Willis, M. P. P., Geo, H. Lawrence, W. M. McLean, John Melick, Robert Car- son, I. Allen Jack, William Jack, E. R. Moore, R, P. Butler, W. W. McFeters, J. V. Troop, Charles Law ton, Dr. Travers, John Clark, Esq., Robt. Blair, Esq., J. Travis, Esq., Rev.Mr. Hartley and others. A. Chipman Smith, Esq., chairman, on behalf of the citizens read the following address of welcome : To TUB HoNOKABiR Albxandbr Mackenzib, Tub MIKR, AND TUB HONORABl/B R. J. CARTWKIOIIT, FiSANXB Ml.VISTBR OF TUB DOMINION OK CANADA : The Liberals of New Brunswick bid you welcomo to the City of .Saint John. Fo. nsarly five years, the Government, of whicli you are distinguished ornaments, has administered With great successs and ability the affairs of the Dominion of Canada. Notwithstanding,' the creat depression of trade and commerce throughout the world and the conse- quent shrinkage in values, your Government by judicious management and strict economy and a correct fiscal policy has been enabled to maintain the credit of the country both at liome and abroad. The wise administration of the Finances of the country, by which the >;eneral rate of Interest •n the Public Debt of Canada has been materially de- creased, must be a subject of great gratification to all. The prudent foresight exhibited in the manage- ment of the Public Works of the Dominion so as not unduly to press upon the tax-payers of tha country in a season of uncxainjiled depression, while at the same time not neglectiiigthe necessary development of the Dominion, must inspire confidence in your conduct of public affairs. The Policy of your C4overiiment, while it com- mnnds the enlightened and general approbation of Canadians throughout all the Provinces, is especi- iillv worthy of commendation and support at the hands of fhe people of the Maritime Provinces. The impartial and statesman-like manner in which your Government has protected our interests i" the most conclusive refutation of the charges of the Opposi- tion that you are hostile to the Maritime Provinces. We bid you welcome to our Province and give you tlie heiirtiest assurance that your Government will be handsomely sustained throughout this Province at the approaching General Election, » A. Chipman Smith, Chairman to General "Committea W. A. LOCKIURT, , General Secretary. St. John, N. B., 224 August, 1878. 'h «*m-~,jAiJt*^i ■t««»"-»*i«««*'0— >*<)r^!(5 it^f^rm-i-^' f HON. MR. MACKENZIE'S SPEECH. 'Ihi; Hon. Mr. iMiickcii/Jt.', mi rising In ri'|>l\ to tin address, wan rrcuivinl with clioers. lli^ nniii : Mr. .Smith and |,'cntlonicn u( St. .Inhn; it is with im Kniiill ;:nitifieatioii tlmt I iitii hIjIo ti (lay, ii.s (nio nf thi' Cii- nadiiui Miiiistor.i, ti) mud uitli mi miiny Ui'f()rim:rn (if tlio i;itj' "f Hi. .hjliii, nil my Nisli to tlic.-, Miu, 1 thinl<, have doiiu ns no more (lian justico in > icditini; us with doinj,' .justi<'e to the I'rovinees, witliout rc;j;ard to sectional interests. ((Jlieers.) Ah iihscr>ers of nations and events, we cannot hut be struel< witli tlie nict that their iirosperily larffely dc- ncnda on eonimerce, iiiid that unless tliey arc I'os- iesscd of ;{tcat tradiii); ad\anta^'es they cannot '.: nie lo mahituiii a riM'.lry with iiiovo favored nations. To enlti>'ate Canadiiin eoiiiinerce, therefore, is the sure road to iirojiicrity, not hiritiiiie I'ro\ - inees, hut tj the whole of the Uoniinion. Therefore, il' we setin to fa\or the .Maritiiiie l'lOvinee^^ it is he- cause we may I'c the lietti^r enabled t" carry on for- eign comiueree- not that we may soeurc tlielr!,'<)od will alone. (Cheers.) We have loii;i inolesied Liberal o|)iiiioiis, and lia\e ilone so under jiecnlijr diflicnltics, hut I will sjieak iif that more fully this evening;, merely saying,'' here that aiiar' from these there are others which have caused the (Jovcrnnienl no little anxiety. , Mr. Mackenzie then referred t > the I'liited States, : w ith a frontier extencVin^' thou.sands iy stdo with her, rocoive the .|us" reward of eiitcriirise and dclcrminalion. (Henr ! hear ! ami loud cheers ) I'ublic men are always cbarL,'eil with lusim; thrir puljlie influoiiee ;ur parly jiurposcs I beliovc that ■ no parliamentary system of (iivcriimenl can be car- ried on successfully in this country, e.\eepl by party adininistration. The same views liave bccM expres- sed by such Kreat parliaiiKMitary leaders as .Sir Jvobl. I'eel, Lord Melbourne and Lord Beaconslleld. It is a subtcrfuice to tell Omt a ^^ovcrnnient can lie car- ried on e.xeept by party. 1 1 is essential for us in Canada either to have a Ijibcial or a Tory party ifov ' eriiiiU' the conntrv. A )inie (iovernmcnt is only attainable by lucans of parli and a properly ortraii- i/.cd Oppoiation. 1 liailwKli pletusiire that part n*' your address to which yoi; ay that you intend to support the Ctovernnioiit ai. the aiiproachinu' u'eiicral election. (Cheers.) 1 would be uiiw. Hnt these troubles lia< " a!l passed awa v , and wo have now proBperitv ■ ■ our own hands. If vve con- duct the (fovernnK.t of the eou'itry on a sound liasis, a »a.-' amount of the pro.^- perity which the mother country Jiossesscs will bo ours, and we shall hand down to our child- ren a heritaye and to less favored nations an e.x- aniiile of the bcnetits and blessings of Helf-;;ovcrii- nient and of a .sound (lolitieal system. (Cheers.) In closinj,'- my reply to your very kind address, I have to express my extreme «ratifieatioii at the re- ception We have everywhere met with in the liowcr Provinces, if J may except one place where a corlaiii number of i>ooplo, opposed to the (iovernmeiil, en- deavored to make themselves cons)iicuou-i hy vio- lence. 1 do not, sir, anticipate anythin;; of that kind in this community (hoar, hear), nor do I be- lieve that if it were 'lossihle for my own political friends to adopt sueli tactics, though 1 am sure it is not, I do not believe anytluni; is more conducive to the prosperity of a )i()litical party than perfect fair- ness and justice in discussiii'j- imblic alfaiis (hear, !iear,aiid cheers). The tidintrs from the Kiist and the West, from the South to the North, are all of a most favorable character, as re^'ards ilio iierman- cnce of the Liberal [larty in Canada. (ClieerH.) I thank you most sincerely. Sir. Smith and tjentlenicn of the committee, for your kind address and I shall continue us long as I live to remember your kind- ness and by my public acts, to jfive such confidence as it is possible for me to urive, to those who support our.admiiiisiratinn and I express the hope that vvi^ shall not do anything,' which will cause you toici,'!et the course you l.ave taken to-day (r,oud aiiplaiisc ) HON„ MR. CARTWRIGHTS SPEECH, rin chairman liieii called on Mr. r.irtwn^lil, who ro^e amid loud ilieers. He said that his lion, friend the rrcmier had tlu' advantajre of him ilk liaviuy; cfM.ii visited this city and Province, while this was his (Mr. CarlwriKht's) first visit to the ^'aritinle Provinces. He regretted that his official du'jes iirevented his nejrlectiii),' this task so Ion;;, ina.suiucli as ho had always felt that in a ])ermanent eonfeilcratioii, the western provinces and the east- ern provinces tliould come to understand each I'thcr better, should Know each other's wants and desires and should be able to acipiaint Ihcniselves with each ntlier. They had said with truth thai their party baa come into olHce at a period of very ijreat eoniuiereial depression. He could not pre- tend that thirteen men in a Uovornnient did notli- in;; in five years to which objection would be raispjl, but he cojisidered that they did nothiny: for wliieU good reiwions could not be ^i von, and "they d>l iipthiny for acjiiial advantage to themselves or I for Bcclloual puriioseo. tiifortuiKitely the Guvcrii- menl liad not boeii able t'l sen thu way olcnr to innkii t^Ncrv iimu rich by (louMinir bis taxus ;thc»'bavoii(il Mreii tilt' way I'Iciii' tn tii\ llio piior mnn'o brcii add euor- iii"iiHly 111 the iMirddiic (if the I'-'jiitry ! Mr. Curl- \\ri;;bt Hat down alter lieiiin' 'tiudly aiiiUi'uded. Mr. .SiuiDi [imiiii-cd throe iboers for vlie viaitnrs, vibii b \n re ijiviMi «ilb a will, and a hearty "li|L;er" lolldwed 'I'he luectinj: then liroKe M|i. Afterwards a njnnber o| leading,' ^jentlenien were lidioilined id JItsHrs. MaeUeuzie and C'artwn),dit. The li-'iid liatt. I3and, the Carletoii Serenade Itund, as well an thi! City Coinet Hand were prc«en1, and jila.Ned a few airii before and after Ibe nioetiny riie erowdn of l■iti/.ell^ Iheii ilispelsed the Hands leadin',' the wa> and pla,sin};' se\eral liv(dy niarehes on their way up t'lwn. In the aH\;rnooM Messrs. Mat^ken/.ie anil Cart- wri;fhl vi.sited tlio Ueforin party's t'onmiitleeKooins in the L'ily Ihill, Carleton, where a liir!,'o mnnber liad assembled. I'pon their nrri\al they were very lieartily urcvred. The .Ministers were aeeoinpaiiied bvl.be Hon. Isaac llnrpee, .Minister of Customs, and C. W. ^\eld;3,000,(X)() or f-l.OIXI,- 000 real estate is duo tn his mistakes; the lau^fiiibh- ed lumber trade is bis error, and a number of other depressed industries are very ^jeiierously e;uit on lii« shoulders, but the people know the cause of this. However, be hoped to be able to revisit the l'ro\in- ces airaiii and, after the wiuiu reception accoriled to him here to-day and elsewhere, it would he Ids en- deavor to eome again and make himself more fiilh ac<|uaiiitcd with the Provinces. He tliauked the people for their hearty reception, and on takini; bis seat be was loudly applauded. Hon. Mr. Burpee was called for, and in response he said he was ijlad to see such a jjraud reception, and hoped it represented a victory soon to take place. Cheers rent the air and Mr. licVeber wa; biou;ilit forward. He niailo a brief i.peech, and was followed by .Mr. Weldon, who also made a few ap- propriate remarks. MASS MEETING AT THE RINK. I'l'dbably llio oramlcst political ina.'js- iiiectiiig ever hold in this e'ity was that i:unvfiu!(l at the Liiiik last evening. Near- ly every section of the Province anil every 3lia(.le of political opinion was represented. Tile atten(lanc(? eoiild not have been les.s than 7,000 or 8,000 jiersons, among whom was a sprinkling of the fair sex. Every available neai within hearing distance was (iceupied long before the sjieechcs began, and thoae who canio after that tilled every avenue, in front, side and rear of the plat- form, nntil the speaker.*; were fenced in witli a "( 'hineae wall" of human being.s. ,\mong thoHp seated on the platform were the following ladies and gentlemen — Sir A. .J. Smith, John J. Fraser, C. .1. Brydge.s, K. Willis, :M. P. P., Chas. Burpee, Dr. .Sharp, CI. G. King, VV. Dell Porlcy, W. H. White. Dr. Alward, M. J.indsay, W^ H. Kourkc, (ien. Warner, (Jornian Stceves, C. F. Clinch, S. Alwanl, Clias.A. Stockton, flenry Jack, William Davidson, W. A. Adams, Dr. PSa.xter, Henry J. Leonard, A. !.. Palmer, Dr. Travers,' M. Hamm, Oilbert Bent, Henry IJannoy, Jas. McMillan, M. W. Maher, Frank Woods, M. P. P., H. K. Uanney, K. J. Wetmoiv, T. {.'usick, .1. Alfred Clarke, il. C. Scovil, (a'o. Blake, ]•'. W. Wisdom. C. C. IJerry- n.au, John l"'arris, \L 11. Me Alpine, A. Stirling, W. 11. Olne, P. T. A. Seott, P. 'r. Babbit, J. !'. Jar vis, Joiin Magee, Hon. Isaac Burjiee, ,1.S. B. DoN'ebcr, Morri.-i liobinson, N. Shaw, John A. \\ *ight, D, .r. Purdy, P. W. Thome, K. J. Frost, I!. Blair, James Milligan, (leorgo Patterson, T. Otty Crookshank, J. \'^. Troop, Alex. DiifT, (Jeorgo Fleming, Hon. W. E. Pcrley, Hon. J. D. Lewin, Hon. S. L. Tillcy, James O-vba I 6 I I Vornon, (ico. Morrison, jr., J. Hnlloch, Dr. I'eters, Ilov. E. J. Jlonpor, T. ('DUghlan, Judue VVattcrs, i). W. Woldon, K. Mai- Bhall, M.IM'., K. Millignn, W.Soara, Frank (JcillinH, J. W. Lawrence, J. H. Jlamm, \V. A. (^uinton, Slierifl" Jlanling, Adam Young, J. ('. Kergugon, II. I'. Mo- (Hvern, Thomas Murray, John TuukiT, Charles Bur[ieo, jr.. Coroner Ivigby, .J.I'.C. Burpee, Captain .fonea, K. ('. Jones, Jlank Montreal, W. A. Lockhart, F. P. Tliomp- son, M.IM'., (Jeorgo Phillips, John Lock- hart, J, M. J). Keator, E. \\. Cregory, Wil- liam Jack, I). J. McLaughlin, E. 11. Moore, Henry Mahcr, Iloland Hill, Jeremiah Har- rison, J, L. Dunn, John Wallace, i\Ll*., J, V. Thurgar, Ilev. Henry Pope, Ilov. J)r. Maclise, Henry Vaughan, iJov. John Col- lins, l{ev. Mr. Cha|tp(,il, John Frederick- son, A. (}. iiowes, J. 11. lluel, J. Morris Robinson, Bank N.S., Henry J. Thome, II. C. Thome, W. Watson Allan, W. II. Har- rison, Richard Thonip.son, W, H. Beer, Dr. Caldwell, J. S. H. DeVel)er, D. Nagy, S. (Strang, S. K. Thompson, T. W. Daniel, I). McLellan, M. P. P., 1!. J. Flaiierty. X. Perry, Alex. Lockhart, Dudne Breeze, E. J. Wetmore, Dr. .Sheflield, S. DeVenne, C. E. Burnhani, .Joshua Turner, S. L. Peters, I). I{. Munro, A. K. Killam, M. P. P., I. Allen .Tack, Georgo Harding, L. Alm3n, M. D. Austin, Henry Melick, (Jeorgo E. McLaughlin, Henry (torrie. Alderman Wil- SOU; IJ. ('arson, .James Holly, Moses Law- rence, C, .1. Burpee, Alox. Christie, Wm. M. McLean, John Taploy, Hon. John Mc- Millan, John V. Ellis, .lames Domvillc, Esq., Tiios. Koohan, Hugh McCafferty, S. F. Mathews, James flegan, (leorgo Hegan, Wm. I'ugsley, .Saml. Walsn, Thomas iS. Weeks, R. ruddiufctoii, William Banney, David Douglas, (Amherst), John Anderson, .L R. Stone, (J. Rix Price, Sheriff Temple, (York), J. H. Cother, T. H. Hall, W, A. Moore, (Jeo. W. the (Government that this com- mercial diiprcssion iiad overspread the land, liut on the other hand his colleagues in Ui)position have been endeavoring to make people believe that but for the advent of the Liberal Government to power there would be no shadow of depression cast over till! country, 'i'hey have led the peo- ple, or tried to lead the people to believe that the administration could remove or jtrevent tlie depression coming l)y merely passing some acts of I'arliament. Now I (juite admit it is possible by acts of Par- liament to remove the money from one class of the connnunity and ])lace it in the pockets of another class ot the com- munity. I admit it is quite possible to impose a system of taxation which will benefit a community of small number, but will seriously injure the vast mass of the people who, in this country, are the taxpayers of the community, and I know, too, tiiat the class which would be benefit- ted by this species of class legislation which is advocated under the name of Protection, are perhaps the most powerful individuals in the community. I know it is possible to get political support from that class who have so much to gain bj protection, while those who would have to bear the burden of taxation have only their votes to give in support of a really national policy. Now, sir, what is the National Policy, so called. No policy can be called thor- oughly national which proposes to protect a certain class of the community, and leave all the others unprotected, and this is pre- cisely what a system of protection means. It is a system which in the course of a few years will ensu'-e a much larger percentage of poverty than exists at the present time. It is a system which would build up a few great firms or individuals in some particu- lar manufacturing business and make them millionaires, but for ever> dollar that is added to the coffers of the rich manufac- turer there are two dollars extracted from those who earn their bread by the sweat of their brow. (Cheers.) 1 1 have the pleasure to-night of doingwhat I did some weeks ago at Toronto, of ad- dressint; i)rincit>ally a city audience, and I am glad to hav) tho privilege because it mmmiammmmr^ «au 8 ' in ill Ihv citii;H wluiri! the lioroHy of protoi'- tioii liaH cliicfly taken root, iunl I know I am uddri'sfin^ intelligent working men, many of whom lias-i' bfcn led to hclicvc tliat a Myotcin ot' ])roti immciliatc rHtaMisJinuuit of Inrgo inanu- tarturioH and that that would iifoes.sarilv i'i'i|uir(^ a largiu' nunilxT of nu'chanicH, arti- •HUiiM and liiboi'iiM, in uriltT li» carry on thoHe works, and it is perhaiw (|nitc true tnnt for a tinii< a niaiinfactnivr hertt and thori' woidd hi' ahlo to employ, .soino few additional hands, Imt, a.-i I pointed out at ^..TuEyjito,'*''' ^*""''l '"^ '' hcnt.'tit of ho tem- pi- •ar>^'i uharautcr, a licnelitof sneh doubt- nil utility, that no nation or p('o|ile who have studied the jjolitu.d history of the World would ilream for a moment of suh- jmittiiii^ !<• bo odious a syHtem. W'e ha\e fortunately on l!iis eontiiieiit two systems of jjovernu'ciit. In the Uni- ted State.s they hiv\«' a system lil'i our own almost iiurely demoeratie, hut we have an old I'lnglish ('(ui.Mlitutioi lovim.; pef)]j|e, \\u have tiiose who nnderstand the policy of their Mother I'ountiy, who l;now what it is that has maile I'liiglam' great and ])o\verfnl as a uommercial, manufacturing and indus- trial people, and it is our clear duty to fol- low in the wake of the iMuther l.,;vnd,whcn we are able to point to such magnitieent re- sults as the natural result of their policy. In the United States, it is true, tlu'V base no aristocracy, no privilegOil class in the eyes of the law. but they have a worse sys- tem of class h'gislation. 'I'lu^y have made it a regular part of tiuii political system to prot -ct cta'tain classes. The Mdollen ami cotton and the iron interests will all e.ombino and they will together prey upon the laboring and fanning classes, for it is only those who labor wlio are the real pro- ijucers of wealth and it is only to thorn that any country i:an look for the umoi'nt of realized wealth in any (jonimunity. Mow, sir, we will supjiosc; that our oppo- nents, the I'roteoticnists, arc to succeed at this election, and that they will impose a protective taritl'. We will suppose that, stimnlated by the certainty of greater gains for a time, the manufacturers of var- ious articles will commence building new works, and knowing that they will have a profit far exceeding what the present tarifl' gives t\iem, if they have twenty or tv/cnty- live per cent., they know a few years will cover their utmost expenmethini;' like four per I (lit. upon their capital. W'e know in the iron districts there are over a hundred milliiiii/ of capital invested, which is yielding no revenue at all ; We know that the I'nited Stat-s < iipitalistM have so lost faith in l.lie paying Mowers of the manufacturing interest that they have withdrawn thi'ir cajiital from it, and no better profif I'an be liad of that I'u.in the lact liiat within the last twelve luontli •. the United States (lovernmeiit iiave been able to s -11 at jiar over a hundred millidiH of National lour i)ercent. st(ieiwi'*l'hiHi'ould not have bciin doi e a few year^igo, and the ile|)ressi(ui which iio\» evists in that couii- tr)' is no'v ccmsiilerably intensified by the lirotectioM theory upon which the nation was ]iressed, and, at the ^lame time, sir, we lind that the l'niteower, that wo should adopt the retrogressive policy of the United States. (Cheers.) I might say, sir, that it is, after all, if we examined the utterances of vari- ous gentlemen, a policy of deception. W'e tind that those who can make protection in the far W'est are not willing to make the same protection speeches in th(i far Kast. None of your Opposition orators will go to Western Ontario and advocate a duty on coal, but they lind that an admirable weapon of otifcnceagainsttheAdmiuistration inNova Scotia. 'N'ou will tind none of your Oppo- sition orators in the W^.st who do not ad- vocate the iihposition of a duty upon Hour and grains in order to protect the Western farmer, but 1 have not heard since I have I «J! bui'ii in ti>u Kaiilt-ni l'io\ iiiucN ii hiiiglii uiiu of tln! (*iipi)fiiti()ii iKioplc iidviiiiiUin;,' a «lut.y .III lloiir luiil ^^ liciit ill l\i\n (jiiurtiT. Atiil wv liiiil \h\ 'I'lii'iicr, u few il.iVH iiL,'(i ill < 'ii|iii llrutiin, ilt.'cliuiiiL! tint it. duty on (liiiir wiiiild III' (if III) i:t vaWv t\\(: iiric(;(it fliat ai'tii'li! '! 'I'luiii why din'M lie and t)llii;i» X<> to till) W'futurn fiiinn'ia iiiid induco tluMii to }{iv(i tlu'ir vott'H to .Miipiicrt a pro- tiictivij jiolicy on tlie j^inunrl that it will lioinilit tlifir i'ltercHt ? (Cjuhtn.) Dr. Tiipiii'i' with lijji iiHiavl iiij,'i'nuiiy jinvv. niVHt^lf as an antiimitv for a ttfato- i:K'iit li(! niadu that im duty iiii|ii)sc'.d on llonr would raiso it.s prioe in Llui MiHt, and hr iff ijuitc ri;.dit in '^ivin'/, nii/ a.s an author- ity for that Htatt'iiu'iit f.o far hh it wtiit.iiut iiko l»r. TiijiiiKr hi^ ')top[)nl Hiiort without tiniHhin;^ t!nj (pio^atioi). (Chociu ) It is truu J Haid it wan impossililo in the natural operation of tiio lawM of trade that wc could increase tlie jiriee of any article of prodnetioii of which the ceuntry iiroduecd a HurpluH. Wo liave an idtiinate market oi trade across the Atlantic, and we have tlie moan of trauMportiiif,' our iiniduco to Liver- poo, any other port jiid na cheaply as they can from New York, and wliatever prodi ce comca in at the west cud of the country, beyond our own oonnumption, pasHCK o\it at the east end, and is carried to Kuropc. Hut wliile that it; true, it is also tint! that a luty, but Ih? moment tlicy found that the iloimc wau determined to repeal it, the love of oliioo was mole than the love of country, and they wheeled into line at once, and no mail of the Opposition sho\»'ed more alac- rity in lining thi.i than .Mr, 'i'illey and his colleagues. Ih.t, now Sir, it Kcema wo havo all this re-enacted and tliu people of thia count i')[ar(! appealed to to assist tiiem in their determination. HuL I nnderstand from the public newspapers that tlu^ policy was i-'omewhat unpopular in St. .lohn, and I nnder.stand that .Mr. Moyd, who is the Aeciiueheur ( luneral to .Mr. 'I'illey ([.augh- ter) telegraphed to Sir .John Macdonalil to ask him if it wan proposcil to increase all tile duties, and Sir •lohn Macdonald, with a want of tact which amused mc, for tlu^ro appears to bo very little attempt on hi^ part to get nnind tlii! corner as carefully as usual, i\t once telegra|ihed back that he had no intention to increase the duty but only to rcailjust the tanli' Now, sir, was it not his policy in the lastses.sion, and particu- larly dill he not last session vote forprotcc- ti(m on every motion made because he saw it v,as a step in the right direction, and lu^ woiihlget it by nd bye if he took it piece- iiK al. 15ut he speaks of a readjustment. \\ hat di.cs tlu! Oppi.jition mean if it only means to readjugt "'o duties from time to time as the necessities of commerce may point out? Mvevy .Ministry has to do that, and every tarill' requires more or less re- vision in that sense in a few years. But if by the term readjustment it is meant to increase the duty uiion every article manu- factured in this Trovincc, tlicn I say tiiat IS the very essence of I'rotection, and it is that kind of protection which will be, fatal to the true prosiKM-ity of this <.'ouiitry. Yon ha\e been told continually by the ()|)position press that it was protection tiuit gave i'lngland her predominance in manufactures and her dominion on the Hea. >,ow sir, the reverse is the fact ; why at the time Lord Melbourne suceeed- eil to power laigland was reduced to the most absolute state iif degradation in eoii- nect'on with her labor market that could be conceived, and you have only to read Lord Macaulay's Letters and >liss Mar- tineau's and .-Vubrey's History of England to see this. ^Viththe corn laws in cxiatence and the stagnation of her manufaotorios through this evil policy nifist of her pfi|iu- lation \\as living in a state of comparative starvation, and when Sir IJoberfc I'cel. met by the impulse of the nation, by the tremendous pressure which a united people can force upon any (ioveriiment, he was compelled to yield; and at tlis mo- ment there is ntit a statesman that em be named in England, either 'J'ory or Whig, who would lor a, moment return to that .'itate which brought ruin and desolation for a time upon the various parts of the I ■ »liU„KMt.J-JW«J' < i»«^ *' IMM ■iiillMIW *10 h ii Motherland. (Hi'ar, licar.) I will not take u[t any more of your time in tUalinc; v.ith tliis subject. It i.s quite tiuc that ]irf)tt'olion nf any i;l;ias of people v.ho lire iDoiliicin^j; a thiu)^' in tliis country, will raise the value to the maker, and therefore it is tipially tiue that it must raise the price to the consumer, and if we at (ireRcnt pay .^l.lT.j for every dollar's worth (if cotton floods that is hought in Am(!rica or l']ngiand, ami if 10 cents more is ini- pi/sed on it it ^\ill raise the price by 10 cents to the consumer, and until n)anufac- tories are built uji in the country surtieient t(M!over the entire Ujaiiufaeture recjuired of that article, thi.s jjrice must continue to be paid by ever; producer in the country; and ^(1 it in with every other article tliat can be named ; and when any protec- tionist tries to i-onvince you that he can at once |ir(.tect certain interests and not in- ciease the tax, he tills you what is a matter of pnnf, and it if almost an insult to the intelligence of the people to ask them to believe tiiat the iiiiposition of high duti'js iloes not mean higher ' rices. If it does not mean higher price .en it is no bciu'lit to the manufacturer , ul if it means higher prices it means not merely that but ;i gradual fitop|)age of revenue, and I be- lieve it is utterlj' impossible to continue a sy.-1- wc are responsible because Mf were in oiHce sev(ni or eight months out ef the twelve, but you ■will all readily undei.stiiiul that the Finaiuu; Minister in power this year l:aa to ))reparo the estimates, and he is rcsjionsible for those estimates, bveause he knows and must know that the money he asks for is required for public services; but a larger sum was requircil i'^nwas stated by j\Ir. Tilley. Let me give you one cxam])le. Vou are awara the hire ( lovernraent commenced a road from Fort N.'illiani to \Vinni|)eg, an ordinary macadam /ed road. The vote taken in 1873-4 was !?I!;S,000, but be- fore we assumed ofiiee, within the first four months of the linancial year they had drawn by sjjecial warrant S45,000 more than their estimate in the Spring of the year, ai..'' I found myself compelled to provide before the close of that calendar year the sum of SHo.OOO more to pay outstanding liabilities, and wo found that Mithin the two years afterwards over !3G0,000 of additional obligations had stdl to be i)aid ; but assuming even that what was paid in the year 1873 wc found Mr. Tilley's estimate for that sei'viee was as nearly as pr jsible .$200,000 less- than the amount which was required. In other words he asked $198,000 and he Client !«400,- 000. ^ take another plan. In the spring of the year 1874 I had the same service ad- vertised to be done by contract, and for two years we ♦•arried on the same service .-it an expense of ,$76,000 per ar.nu!;^, I desire to call your attention to another matter. Mr. Tilley on a recent occasion called your attention to a statement Avhieh he made respecting revenue and expendi- ture upon our i)ublic M'orka, that is iqion our Canals, Slidep and Hooms, and Itail- ways, and he said the cost of maintenance and collecting the revenue from the Public Works for the years ]S7'2-3-4 was .$4,.S4r), - ()84. The lievenue for the same period was .$4,038,279, and the annual average defiei- eney was $102,408. Now he gave cor- I 11 rcctly tlio lievtniuo wlieu lie stated it at S.t,038,271», Imt ho uiulerstateil the fcx- pondituro for tlie year by a very laryc amount. Instead of .*!4,.s45,tJS4 the tjtal expenilitiiri! for tlicse ',i yearti was $4,81)1,- .'{OS. OS, and instead of tlie average do- lioicney hc-inf,' .•?10-_>,4t;8 itwas $L'84,000, and he stated the annual h>ss to he §002, 74'-' when it is S(;u;'),74r). But Mr. 'l'illey,with an iiii^enuity which wouhl ho very eredita- l.22, with 294 miles of rai'way open. J am giving the railways alone at this mo- ment. Jn 1872-;Uheex])enditurevvas.^l,OI 1,- 81)2.(i0, with SH4 miles of road open. In 1873-4 itwas!$l,847,l>25,\\ith,')71niilesopcn. These were the three years which Mr. Tilley took, and he instituted a compari- son. In our first year we had 44.1 miles open, and our expenditure was .$1,581,!).'!4. In the S(h;oiu1 year our expenditure was .'ii;l,4i)7, 128, and tiu; mileage o[)(;n for the year was 748. fn )S7ti we hal per nile, with 44.'> miles o|)en ; our next year it was •'?2,001..'>7, and in the last financial year, !?2,000.'2,'i ; and taking their last three years and our last three years togetluif their average per mile for working the r jad is .?3,;J44, while our average is §2,518. Let nic take another criterion still. Vou are aware that the true test of the cost of working a railway is the amount it cost per train mile. We run so many miles of trains, and every year there is a correct ac- count kept of the train miles accomplished during that year. Well, sir, in this year it cost §1.02 for eveiy train mile upon the road. In our last linaneial year it vusl 82 cent.s per train mile. 1 will leave you to say whether you consider that Htatement of Mr. Tilley's was an ingenious one, and I leave you to decide who it is that lia.i worked the road cheapest during that time Mr. Tilley adopted anot^'cr method. He said in their time the (ioverument worked th« railways with an aildition of only 14 per cent, te their actual revenu' as the ex- penditure. He is incorrect even in tliat ti> some extent. lie said it took 47 l)er cent, more than its income to work the road. Let sue give' you liie income from year to year tluriiig the last (i years, ami you will see how tlie reveiiui! (leidiiied as We ac(!iunulatt'il uii])rolit,ibli' road. I'.e- sides the ;i7."> mili'ii north of Moncton, evi'i\- mile of which is through an uniiaying coun- try, we have also the I'. K. I. road to work a road which was jiartly built at first and which reijuiri'd considtMable oMtlay on cap- ital account, and is now an exjien- sive road with a eom])araiivcly light trafliu. We had '200 miles <">f that road to work in addition with an aniiuaj loss varying from .SdO.OOU to §!)0,()00; but our revenue during Mr. Tilley's last year wa.s .S2,408 jier mile, while in our lirst year it had declined as we liegaii to open the northern roail. \Ve had then 44.") iiiilea .against Mr. Tilley's 371 miles and our revenue declined to §2,032 per mile. In the second year aftttr we had the entire northern line opened, we had 748 miles in operation and tiie revenue declined again in consequence to §1,331 per mile, and in the last tiuaneial year there was a slight in- crease of some .§.'iO, the mileage being 1)44 miles, and the revenue §l,3(il. The aver- age earnings ))er mile was necessarily much higher during the year 1871 to 1873 and 1874 because it was chiefly between twt) cities and through a populous country. The revenue during these years averaged ■§2,240, while during three year.s with the new and unproductive road it only averag- ed .§1,57;'). 1 am glad to say that the ex- penditure and the revenue is likely for the futuri to come soincwliat more closely to a paying rate than what it has been for all time up to the present since it was opened. \N'ith regard to the lUher public work.^, Mr. Tilley has pointed out how much more; prosjierous tliey \\ere in their ex[)enditure than we. Let me readtiieexpe iditurediiring tlieyearsin question. Vouareawarethat tiie depression which has overspread the coun- try has necessarily decreased tiie revenue of all our public works as well as else- where. The revenue in 1871-2 on our (/.iiial system was §470,000. In '72-3 it was §488,000. Ill '73-4 it reached the .naxi- inum of §41)1),000. In '74-.5, the first year of the depression, it had declined to §432,- 000. In '75-0 §380,000, and in '70-7 it began slowly lo recover, having reached §390,000. ^7,()0I) ; in '7:5-4 it ■.v.iii •^lli!,(K)(). 'I'his wiw the highe,-t I'.xpcriiiitni'e in tlie late ( Ji)vei'iiineiit. Now in our lir.st year it was !:i;;i!r.),0O(), heini: ij;l)i,(K)0 less tliau their last year. In oiii' seeond year it was .■?:{'.((;, (tIJO, and in our la!>t !!: aueial year s.'iKI.OOU, ;;lie\\in;; a sttady deerease in expeudituie over thai period. 1 mention these facts to enable you to have an intellii,'ent peree|ition of the in- aeeiinu'V of the slatenittnts made by Air. 'i'llli'V in rci^ard to the reveinu,' and expen- ditui'e on J\il)lie Works. I do not nay that Mi. 'j'ilhy iMteiitionally cooked hJH lignrf.'! ill order lo kIiow yon iio\»- tliia can he in;ido to ;ippear to our dis- advantage, hut 1 ilo .'Say that if he had tried to do it hi; could not lia\e saiceeeded lic'tter. (Laughter). Of course I assume it was all an accident. Now, sir, there hi another item of very great eonsoqnenee in connection with our I'uhlic Work,') which will bear a few words. You are aware tl;at during tlu' last year.'; there has been very nearly 44 millions of public money "a worth of con- tracts given out by the late and prcHcnt (loverninent. Sir .John Macdonald, in 1870, at a time when recklessness of state- ment was commenced by the Op]jositii]ii leaders, declared that during our own pre- sent Government it was iinp'ossible for any Conservative to get a contract, no matter whether he was the lowest or not, ami if he was the lowest some hocus-pocus was resorted to to enable the (ioverninent to leieh a friend of the (loverninent, and to him the contract would be given. A statement so extraordinary at once challenged my attention, and witliin a few weeks 1 produced evidence at a public meeting, and I shewed that during their last '.i years of otlice they had given over i.'0 millions worth of contracts, and less tliaii 7 millions of them, or about one- third, had reached the lowest tenderers; and 1 shewed that durii'g our 'A years we had given a little over U) millions wnn-th of contraeiis, and 10 of them reached the lowest tendevcrs. Nay more. Sir, I adopt- ed another plan. Up to my time it was the practice for the Minister of Public AVorks to open all tenders himself. In or- der to be thoroughly aciiuainted with even the names of tenderers I declined myself from the day I went into oilice to opcnan^^ tender, and they were opened by the Chief I'higiueei or Deputy Minister, and then made out a list l)(;ginning with tl.e lowest and a letter of the alphabet being put op- poute to each one from the lowest to the Highest. We begin at the lowi^st, and if he is able to furnish the security he is tak- en, and if not we pass on to the next. Another system I adopted, I found there were a lot of speculative contractors who would put in at a figure .-.Inost certain to be low and then endeavor to trade this olf, and failinj.' this to throw it up. I re quired a deposit to be made w ith ever\' tender in every important work. Then t\u'. lowest was nscertaine 1 and he was ' iinini'.inicated with and if he refiisul to go on with his tendi^r he being the louci.t, his deposit was forfeited. Let me nu^ntioii one eircumstance about tills. Sir.lohn Macdonald last session said lie had no doubt, if the nanica of tho par- ties who had forfeited deposits were looked at, they would be found to be (Conserva- tives. Now, sir, thei(! were four forfeits ot ."irl.OOO each ; three of them turned out )i:ilitical friends tf my own, and OH') onb; a Conservative. After tlu? teuiler would bo let and tlie con- tract given, we reijuired the contractor not to furnish the names of two of his neiglibors from whom nothing could be collected, but an absolute deposit of cash bonds or securities of some kind that we Could use for tin." pur[)ose?of indemnifying the (ioverninent in case of failure. I have a statement ^^hich shows that under the
, 5r)2, thus showing an economical administration that has never been in operation before. Let me give you an illus- tration. A few months ago one of the (loatractors failed in his contract on the Lachine Canal. We had a deposit of cash of §14,000. Then; was a percontage un- jiaid to him upon his contract. We found that there was $20,000 owing to the work- men on the contract. Unless we had taken this protection these men would not have got a dollar of their wages and there would have been universal distrcs? among them; but, sir, 1 was able, with (he deposit in my hands, to see every man of them jiaid to the last farthing of his wages (cheers.), and have a balance over to indemnify the (iovcrnmcnt for the loss in reletting that contract. That would have beeu impossi- ble under the old regime. I give this is an instance of what may be accomplished by a careful contract system. As regards the Pacific Itailway, tho road from Fort William to Selkirk was '2'2S miles and nearly on all of it we have been able to build as good a road as the Intercolonial, with the exception of the bridges, they .pOfUl^i- 13 inforni- nt that over and •ontrarts years is conomical liccii ill an illiis- cl' tin- on the t of cash age un- r'<; I'oniid 10 n'ork- ivd taken not liavo ve would tlieiii ; it in my l)aid to (cliecrs.), nii'y the ;tint; tliat impossi- lis IS an ihed by a tim road i2S miles n able to colonial, es, they being of wood instead of iron; and yet un- der our system it will only cost .*i24,000, while the Intercolonial cost !ji4!),000 ))er mile. It may be said tliat the Intercoloni- al crosses the mouths of a great many riv- ers, but why does it cross tiie mouths of any rivers at all? Tlie lion, ^;eutleman said that it was in order to >,'ratify a ijolitical necessity and to meet a demand niade by the majority afraiiiht it tliat the favorable road down the valley of the St. John was sacridoed, and the result was not merely giving a loii^^i r road, but perhaps tlie most expensive; road to be found upon the Continent. lie saw that his name had been used in recent tli.i- cussions, and Mr. Tilley had said lie never intimated or brouyht forward any resolu- tion in favor of the Soutlicrn road, and an- other gentleman stated that what lu^ did say was in favor of -the Northern road, but this was an old and exiilodod slander. In the debate on Confederation \n\ said he was favorable to the .Southern road be- cause he had only the survey ot Major llobinaon, l)ut after other surveys had been held he wanted the best route to the ocean, the one that would necessitate the least expense in building, and the one most profitable when it was built, and that was clearly down the Valley of tiie St. .John. The lion, gentleman presumed be was violating no cimtidence in stating that when leading the Ontario Opposition he had interviews with two members of the late (Tovernmcnt upon this subject, viz. : ilr. Tilley and Mr. MaoDougall, who was an ardent. advocate Oi tlio St. tlohii ^'alley route, and who said that to ado[)t tlie Northern route would be to throw eight millions into the sea, and yet he himself was guilty of throwing that money into the sea. It was no secret that Sir John M;ic- Donald, Mr. Tilley, Mr. Howland and Mr. Campbell were all in favor of the short and cheap route down the Valley of the .St. John, and it was equally true that Sir Geo. Carticr had dominated the Cabinet and forced his opinion uuon them all. Those gentlemen and Mr. Tilley sent for him to his own house and asked him if he was jircparod with the Ontario Opposition to back him np,aiul he had told them that he was and that al- most the entire Ontario vote would suj)- port any CJovernment or any motion for se- curing the most advantageous road. lie had been attacked for not having exert'jd himself, but it was his duty as leader of the Opjjoaition to take the course most con- sistent with public interests, and the peo- ple of Ontarif. were liiiown to bo in favor (if the best, shortest and clieapest route to the ocean. The hon. gentleman then said be had re- ceived a cordial invitation from one or two gentlemen in the audience to speak on tlie subject of steel rails. There was no sub- ject he was more willing to speak upon, and he thought it was to be extremely re- gretted that Mr. Tilley should the other eviming have acted so uiiwortliily of him- self as to insinuate that he or some of his relatives had an improper connection with this transaction. It was true ho did not insinuate, but where there was a ground for suspicion, suspicions would be enter- tained, and how much more manly would it have been for Mr. 'I'illey to make a charge boldly. lie li.ad recently comiielled two of his tradu- cers in a couib of law to apologise publicly for their slanders; and ho v/ould promise Mr. Tilley that if he would [)ut his charges into such language a.s Would be specific, he would give him an oijportunity of doing so al.so. Tiie lion, gpiitleman, Mr. Tilley, had stated the stock charge oi the Opposition that ho had made a contract with a titni of which his brother was a ijartner. The hon. gentleman then read from Mr. Tilley's Institute speech, as reported in tlio Datli/ Sun, as foUow's : — "Ami iimv [ i;aiiK! to thj steel rail piiroliases of Mr. ilut'kciizio, I do not approve of ciilliiiK poli- liiMl opi)i)iK;iili! "thioves, win luivu iHliuritoil pre- datory instincts from their ancestors," or " a (Iniulcn <;re\v, but pro|)ose to deal witli imblic meii as they oU'.;ht to he dealt witli. No man shotdd liiflitly malic a charife of dishonesty aifaiust a puh- lic man. In the purchase of sti,>el rai!:< that were not wanted Mr. .Maciceiizie committed a (jreat error iu jndirmeiil, and lost from one and arpmrter totwo millions l)y the tniusaetioii. When transactions of this kind are manaf^ed in such a way as to be open to suspicion, tlvjy will be suajiected. I must say that tlie irivin;;(itdnly six day's notice for tenders li.i- 50,000 tons of rails, necessarily excites suspiciouN, ami these are iucieased by llie coiuiexion which • .Mr. Macl;enzie's 1n-otiicr lias with the linn that fjets Ihr I'ontniet. Hut I do not iiisiiitiate, of course, that tlierc was anything' wrou'.^ in the transaction. (l.auarhter and applause. ) It was a ^reat error in jud;;nieii'. lhou),'h, to buy on a falliu',' market and without tlic authority of [Parliament. It has been said that the late (iovernmeiit jjaid a higher )irice for rail^, but that is luit the <|uestion. What we want to know is ; Was tliat tlie best time to buy '' It w,i\v not 'he best. But there have been other losses besides the bii; jiriie and the loss of interest. 'lY find a place lor some of the rails they were put on the Pictou Hailuay, after it had been ottered to a company, who therefore i,'0t .'s-ids.OOO additional value. Mr. iMackenzio did not manifest so'uid judgment, discretion of economy in this transaction, or ill undertaking.; to liuild tlie Canada Paeiiiu as a (;o\eriimeiit work, audi iiope public opinion will force the Goserinuent before Ion;; to band the road over to a eoin] any for coni|)letlou." I propo.sa to deal first witli the implied accusation, and I say tliat in the transac- tion there is no possible ground for such a suspicion, and no man knew it bet- ter than Mr. Tilley. He knew the rails were bought liy [uililic tender; Mr. Sand- ford Fleming had pressed him to get the rails ovin' as soon as possible, and they all considered at the time that the market was then as low as it was likely to go, and no one could foresee the revolution in the price which stu;ceeded in the course of a couple of years. It had been advertised in New York and Montreal i)apers with and !• days' notice, but after communica- mmmttmmttmKKtr 14 i Hi i ting witli two ii^'oiits in Montreal, wlio wished to cdiiiiminiciito'witli tliuir princi- l)als, tlio tiin(3 wan enlarged lo (i weeks, and the tenders wore rfjgularly received to- wards the latter end of Nov. IST'l, one half to be delivered in '75 and the otiier half in '7l). They aceepted the lowest tender.and the .average price delivered in Montreal in 8r)4.()0 the most favorable purchase that had ever been made \\\) to th:i.t time in any country, Mr. 'J'illey had said ids brother was interested in one of the lirms that had a contract, ])iitthat lirni, Cooper, Fairnson & Co., were not contractors, but merely agents for the Mersey Steel Comi)any, ami as soon as these gentlemen had intimated their intiwition of acting as agents for a government contract, he of his own motion had withdrawn from tiie hrnt. He main- tai'ied that if he had l)eon a member of a tlrm of coutractors be had a peifect rii;ht to l)e, and no suspicion could possibly attach to him, unless Mr. Tillcy Mas pi-e- pared to [irove that tlic tenders were not fairly opened or fairly given. His l)rother liad a perfect right to be a member of a firm of coutractors, or still miro to be a member of a firm which merely acted aj agent for the contractors, ))ut in point of fact be was neither one or the other. It is quite true liii name was ri'gistcred at Montreal as one of the firm at the time the tender was made, but it is al- so true as stated in Cooper.Fairman & Co's. letter, that be had rc.'lired from the finii, and it was the fault of bis solicitor that bis name was not oil the register. (Cheers.) liut in any case I maintain that the trans- action was a perfectly fair one, nnd no blame can be attached to the Government, my brother, or myself. But it was said by Mr, Tilley that some of these rails were laid on the Fietou Branch, which line was to be handed over to a firm of contractors for buibling the Eastern Extension. You will laugh when yon hear the names of the contractors so favored — and at the idea that the Government had any motive for favor- ing them. Sir Hugh Allan was the i)re6i- dent, and J. G. Abbott, who sent along the other ten thousand, and his brother were the rest of the company so favored by us. Yet Mr. Tilley accuses me of layinj; these rails on the Pictou road. He ought to know that the greater part of the Pictou roav' was not laid with steel rails at all. Ho ought to know that only 37 nules were so laid, and of that cnly 15 miles were laid after the de- livery of steel rails in any part of Canada — of this importation one ship-load went to this road — and it shows how careless Mr. Tilley is in his statements. In the first place 1 had no motive whatever to lay steel rails except for the purpose of putting the road in a position to enable' it to carry on the ordinary trafiic, and in the second place we bad laid no steel rails where we coidd possibly avoid it — and there are now llii miles of this road which are in a poor con- dition for want of rails — now, sir, Mr. Tilley in his speecli referred to a number <»f matters in connection with the Canada I'acitic Itailway, and attacks our ])olicy in connection with it. My jiolicy was laid down in Parliament, as may W, found by reference to the Ilansaid. I opjiosed the extravagant bargain made by IIk; lati^ (Jovernment with British t'oluni- bia, and assuming that Jlr. Tilley statement that J bought the steid rails too soon to b(! true, (which 1 utterly deny) i»'- eanse afterwards there bai)i)(;ned to be a reduction in priw, this is not to bo attribu- ted to our extravagance, but more to caus- ses affecting the market. Now, sir, I will say that when Mr. Tilley eaid, as he did, that we had spent §10,000,000 and had scar- cely a mile of mad laid, be wasactingon in- formation ^vholly inaccurate. I state this in bis presence — giving turn the liberty to correct the error into which lie has fal- len. At present we have 22.S miles of the main lino nearly completed, and wehnveal- so the 88 miles of the Pembina Branch nearly liuished — and before the cud of the year we expect to have 302 miles laid on tlie Pacitic Kailway, and ou that road will be laid more than (jne half of the steel rails purchased by us — and very nearly 4000 tons of these rails will be laid on this road and the Intercolonial before the end of this present year. I say that our policy rcspcctihg the Pacilic Kailway was one forced upon us by the late Ciovernment : they had entered into an engagement to build 2600 miles of railway ivithin ten years, in an luicxplored section of the coun- try. I say that this is one of the greatest acts of mal-administration that can bo con- ceived, and I don't see how any Govern- ment could undertake sucli an obligation. It has cost us in surveys alone about .'$3,- 056,000, and the work has now only begun. Our policy now is that we will go on with the work as far as we can without increasing the burthen of taxation, but wo will not bring the whole county into finan- cial ruin by completing the contract with British Columbia unless the time is extend- ed — but ii they give us the lime we hope in the end to say that wo will be able to accomplish it— 1 proposed in 1874 to build the road either by contract or under tlu' provisions of an act which provided for a certain fixed amount jier mile, we propose to ask tenders for the building of the whob; road under the act, at .S10,00b and 50,000 acres of land per mile. If we receive; such tenders well and good — but if we do not wo must then consider what is our next best course. I believe in keeping faith i; our next wlicri! it can bo kept — and what do we lind tlie ()()i>oKition doing — Wo lind Sir J. A. Mai'donald in tlu:ir gr-iat organ, tho Toronto Jfrt//, declaring that if the jicoplo ofBritisli (.'ulunil)ia do not .support the oppowition llioy will I'ort'i'it all claim on (lie Corwerva- tivo I'arly in getting the ro-'-d luiiltat all. Mr. Tilli'y said that if wo did not allow thoni thi.s Kailway when they lamc into (Confederation wc would have had to allow them S30,0fi0,0f)0 of debt. Think of it, $.'50,000,000 of doht to a county whose pop- ulation con.si.sts of 10,000 whites and 40,000 indian.s. Mr. Tilley hero informs mo that he has been misroported. AVelll will give him the beiietit of the correction, I am .iiraid it will not help him much. }Ie .said ' that when we got 1,000,000 in tlie North West there would 30,000,000 of debt, lie said he would give five millions more and have the «ork done, but let lain state to night what was Sir Hugh Allen's report A\lien ho came l^ack from lOngland, and show if he got any sujiport there. [Here (liero- was an interru])tiou and calls of "time''] (ientlemen who lall lime mu.«t understand [ mu.st take my own time, I have came here for the purpd.^eof speaking upon these questions, and I have yielded three-(juarters of my tiuu; already to gratify the friends of }ilr. Tilley ami Mr. King.and 1 .say emphatically that it is no use of ask- ing me to stop or to attemf)t to i)ut mc down until I am ready. (Loud cheers.) No'.\-, sii-, with regard to Mr. Tilley, he has a pecular faculty in reading iigures to suit himaelf both ways He accuses me of having lost a large amount of monej' in the purchase of the steel rails for tlic I'acitic iJailway, aiul yet he assures us that oidy a snuill sum additional is necessary to get us out of the scrape, lie says we have lost a million and a li.ilf in the purchase of these rails. We nnglit have sulhced with eight ())■ ten tons less — but we will contrast our purchases witli some made under his ad- ministration, (Further cries for "Tilley.") Now I wdll speak as long as I like if I have to stand Jicre till daylight. If the Conser- vatives intend to ]iursue the same tactics liere that they did at < 'harlottetown and Toronto they will lind it to their disadvan- tage. I am not to be put down, and I wish that distinctly understood. At the time that wc were Inlying there rails at ^M a ton we were receiving rails bought by them without any tender at ^^S5 a ton, ;iud on these rails they were also paying a. broker in London a heavy commission, and this broker cheated the (lovernnient l)y .some £8 or €10 i)er ton. Since we -went into power wc have entered proceedings against the broker, and we have recovered a judg- ment against the broker, and th(;re is .i^lO.OOO yet to come, hut I ))resuinc we were cheated in the execution. These are the facts connected with the steel I'ails ^vitll both administrations. I don t insinuate anything against Mr. Tilley in saying what 1 do, but I do s.ay that he made a most improvident purchase wdicn he bought for Jii-St") rails which we bought for !$r)4. Now let me deal with one or two of what are called the recent scan- dals. Mr. King lias grown clo(]Ucut o.tT what he calls the. K;iuiinisti(juia -lob and ( 'anada Central matter, and lie says that we have made more scandals in live yc^ar.s than even the old (iovcrnment ever m tlie Com- pany wliich belonged to the (Jovermnent. We found that the Comi)any had advanced money to assist the member for Toronto West in gaining hi.s election, had assisted ^Sir Francis Hincks in gaining liis election, liad contributed to a testimonial to another of Mr. Tilley's colleagues, and has yl,oO() worth of stock in the pa])er whicii was the organ of the party. 1 refused to take less than a million dollars, and I got it (great applause), and we made the Comi)any dis- gorge in addition other money wliicli they illegally got. Messrs. Tilley and King hivl better devote a little time to the explana- tion of these matters if they can. Now then 1 come to the secret service fund. As Mr. lillcy had said that where ground for suspicion existed, there suspi- cion was sure to be entertained, I will take him as my authority. What do we tind? We find that the late Gov- ernment voted themselve.« nearly .'ii!200,000 for vliich seemed to render sueli a fitepdesiraldc. I rojilicd, "Wfll, these circumstances liiivc ceased to exist, and now I have not the most remote idea of .'.cccptiii)^ it." On Friday, tlic day after my return to Ottawa, I mot the Governor Ociieral in his office and said t» him, "I hear you came very near making me a — MMt^iau^- 17 Lieutonaiit (iuvei-imr in mv alisence." Ho suid yvn, iiiid thou I i-tplied that uinlci' prcHunt cireuinstai'icfH I coillii not tliiiik iif acctptiiiif Ihi; offlco. The iiiiit ter iifMM- Wiis iiifUtiiiiK^d ;iff;uii t(i nil' or hy me until the niciniiiig' after Sir John A. .Muidnnald iiniiiiunr- i;il tci I'arlianioiit that lio iiittmh'd to ri'sli;n, and it was thicc (lays hufurc that Lhat I said in Parliament 1 «(iMld lid down with mv<(illca«-ueH. 'Hw day after lu' made that aiinonniemonl HirJohii said to me that he woulil make the ai)|iointnu-nt, and so fai' I'l'im me sittiu',' in rarllumeiit with the eonunissioii in m.\ poikut, 1 dec^lare most solemidv that the mat- tc-r was never broached to me until the inornini,' uft,('r Sir John ainioiuieeil his irtunlion to resiifi;." I'lirliauioiit liad iii'-t at tin; time, and tliero was a niotioii of want 0,(K)0 tt> New iJrunswiek in lieu of thi! export duties, if you read my speeches you will lind that i always point- ed out that the export duty never exceeded ?!;(;0,00() a ^■car, and that the real point was to increase th(! subsidy to N. \'. 1 was willing t#give the ^inO^OOO. but all I wish- ed to do was simiily to show that 1 under- stood Mhat the real object was, and I stated at the same time that I did not op- pose tin; motitm (cheers). Does Mr. King think that he will make himself strong by such misreprentations as these. I am not conscious that I ever showed any hostility to any part of the i)/)minion, and certainly if any ])lae(! was treated fairly it was the (■ity and County of St. dohn. The ordy< costly work of defenci; which wt have un- dertaken has been to defend the harbor of this city -when we came in we found the work on the proper terminus for freight was not being proceeded with, and we went on with the work (cheers.) Mr- Hoyd says wo sent only .'?"J0,000 to your re- lief at your great iire. This was the money of the Oominion of Canada, and there were tires in St.Hyacinthe and .St,Johns,(,>uebce, etpially as disastrous to the people of those placi's as yours was to you, and yet we did not contribute any thing to their relief. AVe have been accused of dilatorincss in pro- ceeding with the public buildings here, but we have to proceed carefully in such mat- ters, and it is only lately that we have been able to settle the contra-'ts— we would liki; to get along faster, but we are getting along as fast as possible -(cries for '"Tilley") "■I can assure you 1 am as anxious to elosi; as yon are —I ask you, in c.jnclusion, t*> re- member that come what may, I am deter- mined to allow no slandrous tongues to ag- sail my ciiaructer with impunity — (great cheering). As to your representative, the Minister of Cnstoms, who has been my col- league ill the Government for the past four years, I may say that I can bear cheerfnl testimony to his great industry and ability, and it would be well for those who under- rate him of they pos.sessed his administra- tive (.apacity — (great cheers.) Of Mr. Dp- "•"•"*•» jsumm 18 )i I Vobor I iiiuHt nay Uiat I always found him H most i)ain8takiiif,' and careful loproHeLta- tivi', coiistiiiit in Iijh att(!ndan(!e »pf)n his pii))lii' diiti<'s, and iin(! wlio is hiokcd upon witli tii(! iitniHst favor by tlK)H(> \\honi he int'ftK in I'arlJHincnt (choi'is.) Both tlicsc ifontlcincn and their associate Mr. VVeldon, are well titted to give yr,ii a true and wortiiy lepivsentation in tlie next i'arlianient (eiieers). 'Die lari.'-e pitherin^; In'io to- niplit show tlie K'eat interest whieli yon feel in tlie (|nestions to he de( ided in the eon)inj^ elections — and wiien you come to letnrn yfun- verdict I hojjeyou wille.xchide those who liave so j^reatly abused their pow- i.'r when tliey hadit.aiid if 1 shall again be entrusted with tlie administration of alfairs, I assure yon I will disciiarge my duty to tlie best of my ability and with integrity. 1 am indebted to the iK.'ople t)f the Mari- time Provinces lor thi; support they have hitherto giviplHliir to be f. W<' liavu ovorniufnt of iorcsts of tliii on law,wiiicli ind wo ha\i- ■ or sixty of |)arty. As iiavo to say isure several 5ir .lolin took )t pass it he- ■ganl to the wy i)assot. John in been gross- ._ ly attacked by the Oppo-'ition party. Mr. Tilley and Mr. King are in the niid«t of their own conHtituency, and have the jibojile to rnet't with every week. There are two points of surpassing interest upon whiiiii tiie ((uestions of tWs couiiug election should be based. The first is. what is the i)est trade jioliey for t'anada to adopt while this gri^at di;pres- uou of trade is spreading itself over ahuost a" larts of the globe, in order to give the cdui, 'y proxpcri' , and enable the work- ing nian to make ootli ends mcle out to liim an honest and comfortable living for his family '.' ( Ainilause). The other is of almost eipial merit -who shall practically i)e your rulers for the next five years? 1 hav(! little or no sympathy with those who tell you that it makes but little dilFerence who shall rule you, and that one set of men are as good as another. Now, who are the men you have trusted for and during the period of four or live years to -ui oflice of iiigh trust' My hou. friend aud myself. Now, sir, KS to the. lir.st point, our policy has been fully declan;d time and again. \ye have set; our faces against that very fooliyii doctrine that a ahoit cut to richet' was to double and treble the taxes of this country, to give the (iovernniiuit prosperity by ta.xing tlu; poor man. We have, as well as others, studied the policy of tiie United .States. We don't want to imitate the folly of theirs there. We see by their ablest men that tiiat foolish jiolicy had causeii their capital to be wasted, their commerce to be amiihilated aud all the evils that have bt^en brought about upon the people of that country. We have no uesire to bring such evil upon our own welfare!, U[jon the people over whom wc may he called upon to rule, and for whom we are responsible. No doubt you have in St. John many able men to instruct you on all these (juestions, therefore I will not touch upon them any farther. My task is rendered necessary, but to some degree un- pleasant, by the course pursued by Mr. Tilley. In a speech on a former occasion you will note that Mr. Tilley has attacked us i;u all points ; he has criticised our finan- cial administration from point to point ; lie has taken upon himself to dis))ute tin; correctness of our mode of keeping the public accounts, and has treated very un- fairly the Minister and myself. Now, sir, J propose looking into the course he pur- AWkid when in power. I have been of the opinion that if we erreas(!('. from $13,600,000 to $23,600, ()0f% and wc find more than that behind, for w<; find the Dominion was com- mitt<:d to all sorts of indelinite liabilities. He did not aiipreciate tlic i)osition because he had not studied it out. It was certain that there would be a considerable deticit, and the only way to avert it was by a heavy ta.\ation. Not only did the late Govern- ment run up the expenditure to the figures I have nam'!d, but from Mr. Tilley's own statement in his budget sjieech In 1873, he expected to add to the puldic ex- penditure after 1873 no less a sum than ?:i,367,O0O for interest and sinking fund alone. I think we have a right to com- plain of the state in which we find the ])ublie finances. But that is not all. We lind that Mr. Tilley has under-esti- mated our liabilities. So far from being but .'iit)0,000.00(), which he said they were, if they liad been carried out according to the estimates which he brought down they would have been JjOO.OOO.OOO.which would have invijved a further charge of $5,000,- 000 for interest alone, besides a variety of other charges, making SI, 200 000 addi- tional. Now, for a Government that had raised our expenditures as 1 have shown, and had left us liable for heavy liabilities by entering into heavy engagements, to ])retend that they had left nothing behind for their successors to ([uail at, is to trifle with the meaning of words, and I say they should not continue to trifle with It Inures which aVe on record on the books of Parliament. If the finance Minister of 1878 has a deficit, it is because the Fi- nance Minister of 1873 violated every rule of common sense and common prudence, and acted contrary to all rules which should guide a Finance ^Minister in man- aging the financial affairs of the country. (Cheers.) But I must now recapitulate the several blunders of ]\lr. Tilley's ad- iniuistrati'ni; first, because he has chal- / 20 il l»'n>{c,'i'ni(' ill iiotprovidiiig hy taxation lortluMlt licit which liin own nicasurcs eii- tadcd. I snpposi' Mr. 'i'illey might .set i\[> the )il('a of "limited liability' in that he u.iM only one of live, and if hi; .set up siieh a plei I am dispufied to admit it. lint beiiif^ tin,' {'"inance Mininter he ought eertainly to have ;:uarded his eolleagnes in the (iovorn- iiiciit from falling into the iiarticular errors whi(!li I have jiointed out. Tho bargain with l!ritiwh ( 'oluinbia wa.s a groi-s ctrror in indgment, and for this error, one so great that members of (loverninent have retired fi()!n tlu; Government for lo-se causes, Mr. TiUey as l''iiiaiu:e Minister is chielly le- sponsible. And as to the mistake in refer- ence to the intlatioJi preceding 187;5, J •idmit that this was also an error in jud;^- nicnt, and one in which olher.s besides Mr. 'I'llli'V had fallen. Mnt remember that Mr. Tilley and hi.s frimds were then old and ex|)erienc('d statesmen, and they had been warned again and again about this, and I say this was a grave error in judgment. Having been many years Minister of C'lis- toms he knew from the previous history Hf our trade that a period of depression Mas to be expected, and he should have provided for it. I>ut Mr. lilley had no iears, and he took occasion, after having liointed out thi; amount he thought would be necessary to carry out the projects wlncli he contemplated, to ])icturo what wouM be the future history of our coun- try after the Pacific Itailway had been completed. He saw .as in a vision our great Northwest colonized and pouring money into our treasury, and Ontario doub- ling and trebling its trade. But he seem- ed to have an idea that it might be possi- ble his \ision might notbe fullilled. He said that .sujipose our iioiiulation should not in- cr(;,ise beyond that of the last ten years, and that our trade should only increase in tin; same ra'.io, a proposition* barely suppo- s.ible, our importations then stood at •5128, - 000.(M)0, ;4 to 18(iti tho im[)orth were al- most stationary: while from the last threo yearH tluiy had iiicier d frfjtn •'<74, (MM), 1)0(1 to.5l_'«,()(M),(M)1), at winch ;ium they were in I87M. and that it would not be wi^t; to rec(^in on any leiigthciicd p"rinin-wick, who are taxed more )Kr head th.". 11 ill the other I'rovinceH, can easily aw , and my friend Mr. I)ur[iee will sh()W yo.i how you would lose on that operation. On tho contrary you paymoic in additional taxatioii than you gain by the assumption of the debt. lUit while I am on the point 1 m.ay take the oeca.iion to call your attention to a misrepresentation of a speech I made, in which it was said that 1 was opposed to the payment to New Brunswick of the .*;ir)0,000 in lieu of the (;xport dutj', Ihit it i.s not true. I stated I wa.s opposed to tho assumption of tho Provincial debts ; ami it was by supprei<,s- ing [lart of a sentence that 1 was made to appear to oppose the sub.sidy, ! hold that the cost of ^layiiig this ."j!l.')(),0()0 to New Brunswick will e(|ual (lu; amount received by flu; country from tho Treaty of Washington, alter (hiducting tin; share that Newfouiidlaud will have to re- ceive. Now, then, as to the question of the admission of Prince Edward Island, Under the terms made W(; now i^ay to tho J.slund the sum of $'820,000 per year, while we re<'eive from the Island in revenue about 5''420,000 — which means a dead loss to the country of $400,000 a year, or §4 a- year for every man, woman and child in the Island. Tin; jx-ople ihcn; were right in making tlu; bi'st bargain they could, and ill getting what they could when c(nii- ing into the union, but I leave it to Mr. Tilley and his colleagues to explain what the state of tho country must have betjn when the people of the Island said that unless you pay us cent for c ent for every Jj j I 151 I wtro al- last throe ■l,(MM),(MHI licy wrrt' (' \\'\M'. to I of proH- iiijoyiiiK. ily at liiK xi\\M Dw iy you net; ' tnistako. i|ii('iiti esentation was saiil nt to Now cii of thi! 1 stated on ui tho .sii])pi'eys- is iiKulo to ! hold sloO.OOO [ual . .Mr. Tilley went to England to ne- gotiate a loan, !)ne half of which had been negotiated by Sir John Hose in 18GS. The negotiation of an imperial guarantee i per cent, loan is a vciry easy transaction. Sir John Hose had, however, negotiated a mix- ed loan, and he had the five per cent, at '.K), being the full market value, and the 4 per cent, at 110. Mr. Tilley negotiated his at 1 04, and it was at a time when Canada was in a much better position than it was when Sir John I\ose (loatcl hie loan. Circum- stances may have been against Mr. Tilley, but whether it was ill-luck or mismanage- ment, it is certain that he got .i^li less in lS7;i than was got in IStiS unibu- less favor- able circumstances, and Mr. Tilley will do well to explain why he did not do better. There has beenagooddcalof capital made out of the amendment 1 moved in refer- ence to the route of the lnt(}rcolonial • IJailway. It is true 1 did carry the reso- lution by an overwhelming majority, that it was inexpedient to open n\) the north- ern route, 'I'he ([uestion was a debatable one, but I held that the House was not o.» HulVicimitly inforiuuil <>ii llii- niilijecl. ^■lnl will liiiil that oiu^ ^n^iit iir;;iiiiiont iiNt'd I13' tli«i Into (idvurninunt, in fiivor of tlu* nortlieni roiitt!, wiis that tht! Iin]i(;rinl (iovorniiioiit WKiiItl iif)t, f(»r military jxu- HiiiiH, ;{i\'iiiet of far more iini)ortauee than tlie iiitere.stn of your eoiiatitnciK^y, and he did not etiooxe, as (lid Mr. I'etcr Mitchell, to make tho adojjtion of sueh a route as would have been to the best inter(!st of thia ooiistitucney of such iinuortanoe as to resign his neat in the ( 'aiiinet if such a route were not adoptc^d. I (1 real chcei-H.) I had thou-ht that w!ie;i Mr. Tilley came forward .i;,'aiii into jiiiblio life he would txpre.ss himself uiton tran>iac- tioiiii tliat he was familiar witii, but I am afrfiid that Im liai in his vice-reyal situa- ticn fallen from <,'raee. I tind, however, that he han learnt nothini,' and forgotten nothing. I had hoped that he would be ready to expre.ss hia condemnation of the Hcandiils which have come to light. It may be he finds it impossible to expres.s his real sentiments, but he owes it to hi.s con- stituents to state what those sentiments are. I have read with great interest in several Opposition papers of the west a kind of thanksgiving about Mr. TiUey's return to public life, and they said he was honest and sober and conscientious. Now, sir, heaven forbid that 1 should tic- tract from Mr. Tilley's good character and his qualities as a btatesman and jiolitician. I am prepared to say they are right in say- ing 80. Mr. Tilley is a moral man, and I now ask him to state his real opinion in reference to the sale of the Pacille Jiailway Charter. (f!reat applau.se.) Does he tbinli with Dr. Tupper that the transaction is justifiable? Does be think that if the money was necessary for carry- ing on the election it should be ebtained by any means? I -would like to know what he thinks of the revelations eonnect- rd with the Northern lUilway ? This is a point alfectinR his own honor, as he was the man who brought down the i)roposition ut that time to accept $500,000 in lieu of their indebtedness to the Dominion, where- as we now liave got a million from the company. 1 trust he was not aware of these transactions, and I believe, until ho states to the contrary, that he did not know, s of thiin. If ht> diii not know then ha knows now, and whta he knows them now why will 111" Htipport Hitch n party of corrup- tion ? I want to ask him if hn is not acting as a Hort of moral decoy duck in this lonstitiKincy ? 8ir John Hald our (to- vcrnment was of "all sorts," alluding to a kind of drink sold in London taverns, and on that i>oint I (lo not deny his right to sjieak as an authority (great laughter). I will H(iy that If our Oovernment is ouo of all sorts, that of Sir.lohn and Tilley reprc- s(!nts two Horti", the stronger and baser be- ing represented by Sir John, and the weaker but j.urer sort being represented by my friend, Mr. Tilley (laughter). Of couri«; 1 uge these words entii cly inararliain''ntary or Pickwickian senHC, (l-aughter.) It re- minds mc of a story of aomothing that oc-, currtMl while I was at college, yenia ago.in the old country, when it used to be part of the disciiiline that the undergraduatc3 Hhonld attend ehn))el at certain times. Two of the students had been negligent of their duty in this resjject, ami they rejoived a hint of severe penalties if they did not at- tend to thia duty. Well, suro enough, on the next occasion they were in their places nnil >V(!re very attentive in the study of their prayer-books, so much so as to excite the susnicioufl of a Doctor who sat behind tliem, and who had a poor opinion of under- graduate [liety. He took it into his head to examine the prayer-books of the pious pair, and he found that while the covers of the books were all right, the inside hiid been excavated, and the contents of the books had been replaced with a couple of rascally French novels. Sir John seems to have a hint from these gentlemen, for we have at one eml of the Dominion the sober Mr. Tilley, and at the other end the highly respectable Mr. (libbs, — furnishing excel- lent covers for the Cabinet, and between these pious covers we find Sir John A.Mac- (lonald and Hector liangevin. (Laughter.) Mr. Tilley applies the averages in financial matters, while Sir John does the same in moral matters. Sir John says 1 mot- ing social reftjrmH, for he deserves credit for it; but 1 do say to Mr. Tilley that, trusted as he is by his countrymen, he ought to consider whether, by his practice as tlioa ho ht'in n()\f »f lorniji- in in nut (luck in :l our (}<>- (iiii(; to li 'eriiH, and liglit to ;htei). I t in olio of l<'y rciprt- haBcr l)e- nnd th(! ;H(;nted l»y Of ( (tUW iam'-ntary r.) It re- 5 that oc-. lais afjo.in be part of rgraav(t them in thcii' hour of iii-i-d, but I H;iy that what lie docs now he do«>N Heri(iU!)U , and lie Hhould liesi- tate before puttiuu "i his lot with iiit'ii wlio do not reprnt of tncirevil deedH, but vvoiild n-pi'Ut their ini(|iiitv tiKain if they had tlif ehaiicc. I Hay that XIr. Tilley, whatt.vir he iloeu, should be very (onHibilitv.' i have to ask you, sir, and this intelligent I'lulience, whether yon approve of thoHe acts which drove these men from poM er I have to ask you, sir, and this intelligent audience, whether you mot- rveq credit, [•illey that, rynien, he practice ^■"^