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It has been the policy of the United States to prevent, as much an possible, the uie of spirituous liquors among the natives. The interests of Her Majesty's Government are believed to be identical with those of the United States in this respect. As complaints of this nature have been frequently made to the Government of the United States, and it has become satisfied that they are well founded, I have been instructed tc make this practice the subject of a friendly remonstrance to Her Majesty's Government, and request it to co-operate with the Govern- ment of the United States in the repression of tiie evil, by issuing suitable instructions to the Hudson's Bay Company, or in such other manner as may best accomplish the desired result. I have the honour, therefore, to ask your Lordship to lay this remonstrance before the proper department of Her Majesty's Govemmeut, and to request its co-operation in a measure dictated by policy, as well as demanded by humanity. I enclose a copy of a letter to the Secretary ot State of the United States, accompanying my instructions on this subject, and I have, &c. (signed) Ahhott Lawrtnce. Enclosure in No. I. Mr. iSiMy to Mr. Clayton. House of Representatives, Sir, Washington, 8 December 1840. Tbbbi exists on our north-western boundary a state of things which calls imperatively for the interference of the Government. I refer to the immense amount of spirituous liquor which is imported by the Hudson's Bay Company annually, not only for their trade in the Briliih possessions, hut which is furnished to the Indians who keside and hunt wiihin the limits uf the United States. That this evil exists to a very great extent, and renders null all the efforts of our Government to prevent the introduction of ardent spirits into the Indian country, is a fact which can be established by incontestable testimony, and has been already made the subject of memorials to the proper department. My object in making the conmiunication which I have now the honour to address you is, to ascertain whether there would be any impropriety in having the matter brought to the notice of the British Govern- ment, in the shape of a friendly remonstrance from you to the Minister of that Power. I know of no other way to acc.miplish the proposed end, which is the repression of an evil of great magnitude, threatening the peace of our north-western frontier. I have, 8(c. (signed) Htnry W. SibUy. o-«5— <3)- No. 2. t APPENDIX TO REPORT FROM THE App€wU«. Mc ^^^ ViMMUt JVritaMntM to Mr. Lmpme$. Kr, Fordgu Oflke, 11 April isao. J SID. not fkil to nfar to Bar M^|Mty's Piinei|Ml Smntatj of 8t«l* fbr tU ColooiM yoor letter of ^ ISth of Pebrury but, remonstnting ffmH tiie pnctioe ulqnd to b« puMod by tho HndMn's B«y Compuv, of Aimwhiiig annMlly to tbt lodhiw who TMid« and hwit within tho limiU ot the United Sutet, huge quuititiflB oTepiritiioiie lignon ; end I heve now the honour to tranemit to yon herewith e copy f e letter wUeh bri Gny hee reoetfod ftwn Sir Job Pdly, the GoTeroor of the Hudion ■ Bey Compem/ In that letter. Sir John Peily itetee that epirita are ocver ^teo to the Indiana by the Hodaoa'a Bay Company in the way of trade, either on the frootiera or in any other part of the terriloriea of the CompanT. Sir John Felly etataa, however, that peraona reeiding at Red River Settlement and at Pembina, within the American Aootier, carry on an extenaive and illicit traSc in fwra with the Indians reaidine within the terriloriea of the Hadaon'a Bay Compeny, and that mat qnantiriet of ■piritaonaliquora are eold to the Indiana in the coune of that traffic ; and Sir John Pdly adds, that although the Hudion'a Bay Company employ all the, meana in thar power to auppreaa thia traffic, their eflforte have been in a Seat measare defimted by the encouragement which it receives on Uie American side of e border. I am, Ac. (signed) PalfMnUm. Enclosure in No. 3. Sir /oAn PeOy to Earl Ony. Hudson's Bay House, London, My Lord. 9 March i860. I UAVB the honour to acknowledge the receipt of Mr. Under Secretary Hawes' letter of the 6Ui instant, accompanied by the copy of a letter from the office of the Skretary of Sute for Foreiffn Affairs, enclosing a remonstnnce from the Oovemment of the United States gainst the |>ractice alleged to be pursued by Uie Hudson's Bay Company of furnishing large quantities of spirituous liquors to the Indians on the north-western m>ntier of those 8tc*«s. Mr. Hawea adds a request on the pert of your Lordship that I would make a report to you on the allegations (contained in tnose papers. To the allegations contained in this remonstrance, and in the letter of Mr.'Sibley, on which it appears to be founded, I have no hesitation in giving the meet unqualified denial. Spirits are never |(iven to the Indians by the Hudson's Bay Company in trade, either on the frontiers or in any other part of their territories. The average quantity of sinrits annually supplied to each of the frontier posts, according to the best information to which I have access at present, does not exceed twenty gallons. A small portion of this not very extravagant supply, rendered harmless by dilution, is given to the Indians as a " regale " when they bring the produce of their hunts to the station, in conformity with a custom of long standing, which it has been found impossible to discontinue without altogether abandoning the fur trade in a large district of country. Whether this can endanger the peace of the frontier, I leave your Lordship to judge. Far be it from me, however, to say that spints are not used, and that in large quantities, in tradinir with the Indians on the frontiers. The Hudson's Bay Company are well aware that ail illicit traffic in furs is carried on to a great extent within the Company'a territories by persons residing, some at Ited River Settlement, and others at Pembina, within the American frontier ; that the article chiefly used by those persons in this traffic is spirits, and that the furs so procured invariably find their way to the fur-traders at St. Peter's. This is the evil which endangers the jieace of the frontier, if it be endangered, and which the Hudiion's Bay Company are using every means in their power to suppress ; but their efforts towards this end have been in a great measure neutralized by the encouragement given to it from the American side of the border. Tuc American Government, I am aware, has established stringent reenlations against the use of spirits in the Indian trade, but it is a well-known fact that those regulations are evaded, and that spirits are even clandestinely introduced into the Company's territories by citizens of the United States. In a country situated as these frontier districts ar<> it is not an easy matter to give effect to rcgukitions or laws, to the breach of which there is so strong^ a ieni|itution in the eain to which it leads ; but I can confidently assure your Lordsihip of tlic readiness of the Hudson's Bay Company to use the most strenuous exertions to carry out any measures which Her Majesty's Government and the Government of the United iStuttis may agree upon as best adapted to repress the evil in question. I am not sorry, my Lord, that this subject nas been brought under your Lordship's notice, as it affords me an op|K)rtunity of correcting the erroneous statements which have been made in Parliament, and promulgated through the press, respecting the quantities of spirits imported into their territories by the Hudsoas Bay Company. Your SELECT COMMITTEE ON THE HUDSON'S BAY COMPANY. Yoar Lonbhip will prolMbly be turprited Wi.«. ? inform von that, from the year 1842 to 1849 inclnaive, th* avcntg* quantity annually impoHad by the Company into th" whole of the ttrritoriaa under their oontral, to the eatt uid weat of the Rocky Mountaitia, U only 4,S96A gallona ; a quantitv wUeh, if dbtributed only to the men employed in the aenrice in daUy allowancea, woula amount to lata than two taUe-apoonfiila to each man. It ia to be obaerved, too, that out of the aboTe-mentiond quantiiy the troopa stationed at Red River Settleoient in 1846, 1847, and 1848 (whoae conaumption in daily rations alone waa upwarda of 4,ft00 gallona) bad to be supplied, and abo the corps of pentionera who suc- ceeded then. There cannot, therefore, nave been much left for the demoraliiation of the nativea. I have, Ice. (signed) /. X. Ptlly. Appendix, No.