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J. M. Provincial Secretary's Office, Toronto, February 19th, 1894. GIBSON, Secretary. Mr. Preston. (51) f July Aug. Nov. Sept. Nov. Dec. it Nov. RETURN, Giving report of the Senate of the University of Toronto, respecting the Biological Build- ings and the evidence on which it is based ; also, correspondence regarding the pro- posed Park Hospital Scheme, and correspondence with reference to Medical Education in Ontario and the relation of tho University thereto. SCHEDULE. April 13 ( 4 2G i » 28 a 13 i k 14 1 i 6 July 4 27 Aug. 17 22 June 24 Aug. 22 Nov. 30 Sept. 9 Nov. 11 Dec. 23 " 9 1888. Feb. 23 March 7 " 21 11 9 June 23 July 4 Oct. 12 Sept. 28 Oct. 20 22 23 27 2ft 30 19 1889. Dec. 26 March 20 May 3 April 18 Oct. 17 " 25 " 26 Nov. 6 W. B. Geikie to Hon. Mr. Roas W. B. Geikie to Vice-Chancellor and Members of Uenate Hon. G. VV. Ross to Dr. Geikie W. B. Geikie to Hon. G. W. Ross W. B. Geikie to Hon. O Mowat Circular re Proposed New Teaching Medical Faculty . . , Trinity Medical School to Committee of Senate Hon. (i. W. Ross to Hon. 0. Mowat Hon. G. W. Rosa to Prof. Ramsey Wright Order in Council approving Statute passed 24th June Statute CLXXIII. University of Toronto Order in Council approving teaching staff Report, Hon. G. W. Roas to Lieutenant-Governor re teaching staff. Order in Council approving Statute of September 9th Statute 175, University of Toronto 176, " Oruer in Council approving Statutes 179-81 Statutes 179-180-181, University of Toronto Report of the Trustees of the University of Toronto Order in Council approving plans for building " Statute 184 Statute 184, University of Toronto W. B. Geikie to Hon. G. W. Roas Hon. G. W. Ross to Dr. Geikie Order in C(>uncil approving Statutes Statutes l',.o, 196, 197, University of Toronto Hon. G. W. Roas to Dr. A. H. Wright Dr. A. H. Wright to G. W. Ross Hon. G. W. Ross to Dr. A. H. Wright Order in Council Dr. A. H. Wright to Hon. G. W. Ross Hon. G. W. Uosa to Dr. A. H. Wright Statute 198, University of Toronto Orders in Council . Stivtute 204, University of Toronto . J. E. B. Smith to Hon. G. W. Ross Hon. G. W. Ross to J. E. B. 8mith. J. E. B. Smith to Hon. G. W. Ross Hon. G. W. Ross to Wm. Mulock . . Page. 6 7 7 8 8 9 10 11 11 12 12 13 15 17 17 17 18 18 19-20 20 21 21 21 22 22 22 23 24 24 24 25 ii5 25 26 26 26 27 27 27 28 28 28 SCH EDI' lK.—r!oiUinwd. Nov. 8 Dec. Nov. 22 Uoc. S) Nov. 22 (Jnlers in C'lmiioil. Stiitutcs 112, ll.'t, I'liivur-sity of Ti>ronto. Order in Council Statutes 20'.l, 210, University of Toronto. 1890. Nov. 12 ')r(ler in 24 Hon. G. ('ouncil \V. Ho8s to Prof. U. Riuiisey Wright, 1891 1 Jim. 12 i i Mi 4 • 27 1 4 27 1 t 28 t 4 2! I ( i 2", 4<. .VI Fel). 2 May 1 April 10 May 27 n 28 J line 28 Aug. (> Sept. Hi Oct. 2 1-22 1892 March 9 .\ pril 27 tfc 8 May 11 i( 11 ,Iune 4 ( t iO ki 17 July 14 June 2-9 July 14 June 10 July 16 June 10 July 14 A ug. 24 Stpt. 30 March 30 1893 \. Feb. 24 March 30 April 7 1892. May 11 *' 13 Menioramluni from Hon. (i . VV. Koas for Mi. Langton Mr. H. H. Jwirigton to Hon. G. W. Ross Hon. (i. \V. Ross to J. E. h. Smith Mr. H H. Langton Mr. Lniij,'ton to Hon. G. W. Ro.s.s Hon. G. \V. Ross to Mr. Langton J. E. H. Smith to Hon. G. \V. Ross, enclosing statement of account Hon. G. W. Ross to J. E. H. Smith J. E. 1$. Smith to Hon. (!. W. Ros.s Order in Coiuiril Statute 233. University of Toronto D. A. O'Sullivan to H5 m 73 73 81 84 85 87 87 89 89 9(5 97 103 109 123 130 40 40 47 47 48 49 49 49 50 50 51 52 53 55 55 57 58 58 69 59 61 61 62 64 64 65 [Copy. 60 Maitland St., April 13tb, 1887. To the Hon. Mr. Ross, Minister of Education. Dkah Sir,— I herewith enclosf a pHper to which I respeotfully ask your mrnest attention, bh from an experiencii as ii Medical teacher of thirty-one years, I reijard as very important. We went over all tht) (ground in our conversation the other day, hut the points are put togetlier and appear to me to be very strong. We, as a body (Trinity Medical School), will feel much aggrieved if the |)Ower to create now teaching Medical power be given in the Act- -for even if n^t carried out in the meantime it will lead to constant intriguing and planning and everlasting hot water— besides destroying our affiliation. Faithfully yours, («g*l-) W. H. OEIKIE. To the Vice -Chancellor and members of the Senate of the Universiti, of Toronto : Gentlemen, — At a meeting of the corporation of Trinity Medical School lield a few days since, the report of the Committt.'e of the Senate of the University of Toronto, was, in accordance with the letter of the Registrar, (Mr. Baker) accompanying it, laid before the corporation for consideration. Tlie report was very carefully gone over, section by section, and after mature delibe- ration regarding the scheme proposed in it the following conclusions were readied : 1. The proposal to form a new medical college to be called the University of Toronto Medical College, which shall be the Medioa.! Faculiy of the University of Toronto, is contrary to the policy of the Provincial University as established in 18.'i3, and would practically destroy its character as a F rovinrial Univemilf/ so far as regards medical educa- tion, and would reduce it to the rank of ow, amongst seveial, rnin/irting U hirer sifies. II The scheme submitted is also in the opinion of the corporation directly opposed to the Government scheme of college federation, winch does not contemplate the amalga- mation of the several federating colleges, but carefully preserves their identity, and secures self government to each — whereas the afliliation of several medical colleges with the University as at present, and for many years past, Ik in harmony with the college federa- tion scheme, and this corporation cannot understand why there should now, in the depart- ment of medicine, be any departure from that policy, HI. That even if, as is not the case, the proposed .scheme were practicable in all other respects, it has no satisfactory financial basis to rest upon — medical professors require to be ade(iuately remunerated if they are to 1)0 expected to devote their chief energies to the duties of th»'ir respective chairs, and thin would not he the casf! uiidtir the proposed plan, since it does not cot\ torn plate any prn vision tor professors' salarifs beyond tin; fees obtained from students. In the opinion of the corporation, so long as medical education is dependent for it.s support upon these fees alone, the present system is the best which can be devisi d, as it is eminently successful, does the country credit at home and abroad, and costs it nothing. IV. The scheme as set tbrth in the report would not promote the interests of medi- cal education in this Province — it would not tend to decrease, and would to a certainty increase the number of medical schools, while on the other hand the present system gives a healthy stimulus to exertion — encourages competition amongst the medical schools — be- gets an earnest desire on the part of the respective governing bodies of these, to be first our in efficiency and equipment— and a praiseworthy effort to educate men well, and thua tit tlietu for Buccess in their profession. This healthy rivalry between schools cannot injure the profession or the public, and beiietits both, where, as iu Ontario, all students wherever educated have to be examined by the Medical Councils' Examiners before being licensed to practise. Experience has clearly shown that the institutions removed from competition, the teaching is not as a general rule progressive, nor is the management always characterized by energy and etBciency. For the reasons above given, the corporation of Trinity Medical School is not willing to suspend its charter and onter into the scheme proposed in the Hepoit. Signed by order, and on behalf of the corporation of Trinity Medical School. (Sgd.) WALTER B. GKIKIE, Dean. Toronto, April 6th, 1887. No teachtT, etc., in col lege to be a innin- bor excitpt bh a reprcHcnta- tivo iif his college. No to icher, professor, or lecturer of any of the affiliated medical colleges or bodies shall hold a seat in the Senate of the University, except as a representative of the college or body to which he belongs ; The above is cut from the Ontario M«rdical Act, into which it was introduced for the express purpose, which it has served admirably of pre- venting the I ossibility of any one body or school acquiring by the election of a number of its acting staff to the Medical Oouncil an undue influence on that body. But for this clause some bodies would have had several such me:ubers,and suspicion and heartburning and wrangling would have prevailed. Such has not been the case. A similar danger will exist in the Senate unless a similar clause is added to guard against its occurrence. As a matter of fact for years past on the Senate; this very state of things has existed — as many as four or five of one stah being members, and one only (the reprfisentative) representing his own school. This has acted powerfully in keeping students from going up for their degrees to Toronto University — for it haa long been feared by can- didates (without foundation as I believe), that all might not have equal justice done them. The above clause would completely meet this danger. Private. [Copy.] TouoNTO, 26th April, 1887. My Dear Dr. Geikie, — \ our note and enclosure reached me when I was too busy to reply. The session is now over and our docisions have become law. T hope nothing has passed that will prejudice any of the Medical Schools situated in Toronto. Yours truly, (Sgd.) GEO. W. ROSS. Dr. Geikie, 60 Maitland St., Toronto. [Copy. I Tkinitv Mbdioal Hciiooi-, April 28th., 1887. The lion. The Minuter of Ktiuattion . Okar Sir,— Inotyour not») iimrknd " privalH " to-day. Our niiHoiiH for opposing thi- idfii of a Toronto lJniv<>r«ity tciuhiu)? Mcdiciil Faculty worn protty fully Kivon in the printtid circular Hunt you. AiiothiT iiiij^ht hHV«i iHcn addod, that Huch a Faculty would not do anythinj,' to tmmi thn standard of nwdical education which very properly is tlio work of tho Mcdlical Council a body couiposod of medical men ("xcluHivoly, and very anxiouH to do its lull duty in this and t'vtyiiine out of ».'v('ry hundnd of our jicoplo in Oiitaiio would Ixi a niont rmphutic " no," wen" thiH (lUCHtion put to fhein. 'J AlHliation with 'ho IVovincial IJnivcrHity haH hev('ry nicdicul Hchool whiih lias applied fnr, and obtained it. The present charters of some of them were framed for the very purpose of necuring thia piivihfge in perpotuity, so thvt they have come to regard it in the light of a veHted right. Under the exi.>iting University law, iilliliation.i iiduiit of heing indolinitely (extended, and the iuiluemt" of tlu? Proviuci.il University i: *horel)y largely iiiereaned ; hut, lei a t»!aching faculty Ixt estahlished as the " Medical Fioalty of the University of Toronto," and at once the alKliation of all nie.iioal schools is virtually at an end. The new teaching Faculty would, as a matter of course, do its best to attract as many Htndent.^ as possible — in other words, it .vouhl exert evry inlluence in its power to belittle, to deplete, ami if possible cripple other medical schools, which, however ably conducted, however widespread their name nnd fame, could not boast of being eonducted under Government auspices, Is it desirable to bring auch a statis of things about ? 3. It may be asked whether, even with such a new teaching body established, other achools less highly favored might not continue their respective alHIiations with the University? The answer is "no," for as the proposed n(fw Faculty would also bo the University Medical Examiners, what students from other schools could be induced to present themselves for examination before a Faculty bitterly hostile to every school other than their own ? With alHliation destroyed the University of Toronto, so far us medical education goes, would at once cease to be Provincial, 4. Would it be seemly or just in our Legislature to destroy at a blow — by retaining a few words in an Act — this vested rigi t of alHIiation, so long and so highly appreciated 1 I greatly mistake if any Ontario Legislature would conaent to auch a thing being done. 5. The existing Medical Schools, after many years of ill-remunerative toil, have been steadily improving year by year in attendance and equipment. The members of the Faculty of Trinity Medical School alone have 8|)ent, out of their own pockets, ten thou- sand duUara within a ahort time, in increasing the efficiency of their School. And other schools have been working in the same spirit, ao that to-day, medical education in Ontario is second to none in the world, as is proved by our atudents holding their own in Great Britain or wherever else they go. And the schools themselves are stronger and better to day, than they ever have been before. With such a record of successful work, universally admitted, and just at present, when a fuller appreciation of their great eflforts is giving rise to redoubled energy towards improvement from year to year, regardless of expense, and all this without a farthing's cost to the country, would it, I ask, be either wise or fair, or would it not be rather the very reverse of wisdom or fairn' ss to have sot up in our mids* a Government teacl 'ng Institution, which could only live at all, by doing injury to schools which have worked.. ^ nobly and so well during many a long year 1 I believe our Provincial Government is quite incapable of knowingly inflicting serious injury upon our Incorporated Schools of Medicine, when hearty acknowledgment of great services rendered by these, would appear rather to be called for. 10 I am very sanguine that the injurious tendency of netting up Government competition with our present successful systflm of medical education, only requires to be pointed out, in order to have it promptly set aside. ci i • u If it be thought wise and desirable to establish a teaching Law Faculty in the University, by all means let it be done, but I think I have shown that it would be neither the one nor the other to set a new medical school agoing. Let the Senate assimilate the Medical Curriculum of the Uiiiversity to that of the Medical Oouncii, and continue as heretofore to examine in medicine, and crowds of the students from -very affiliated school will be only too happy to present themselves as candidates for graduation. WALTER B. GEIKIE. Toronto, April 14th, 1887. REPLY OF THE CORPOR.\TIOX OF TRINITY MEDICAL SCHOOL TO A REPORT OF A COMMITTEE OF THE SENATE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO, PROPOSING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A MEW MEDICAL COLLEGE IN CONNECTION WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO. To the Vice-Chancellor and Members of the Senate of the University of Toronto : — Gkntlemen, — At a meeting of the corporation of Trinity Medical School, held a few days since, the report of the Committee ot the Senate of the University of Toronto was, inaccoidance with the lette: of the registrar (Mr. Baker) accompanying it, kid before the corporation for consideration. The report was very carefully gone over, section by section, and after umtiirn deliber- ation regiirding the scheme propobed in it the following conclusions were reached : — 1. The proposal to form a new medical college to be called the " University of Toronto Medical College," which shall be the " Medical Faculty" of the " University of Toioiito,'' is cuntrary to the policy of the Provincial University, as established in 1853, and would practiea'ly destroy its character as a Provincial University, so far a.s regards niPilic&I education, and would reduce it to the rank of onf Order in Council approved bv His Honour tiik Lieutenant-! Jovernor, TUB 30th DAY OP Novemiier; A. D. 1887. Upon the recommendation of the Honorable, the Minister of Education, the Com- mittee of Council advise, that the following Statutes of the Senate of the University of Toronto be approved of by Your Honor. Statute CLXX v.— Of the committee of the Faculty of Medicine, (passed 9th Sep- tember, 1887). Statute CLXXVI. — Rfspecting chemistry in curriculum of Faculty of Medicine, (passed Uth November, 1887). Certified, The Honorable, The Minister of Education. J. LONSDALE CAPREOL, Assistant Clerk, Executive Council Ontario. UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO. Statute CLXXV. Of the Committee on the Faculty of Medicine. Passed September !Hh, 1SS7. By the Senate of the University of Toronto, be it enacted : That there be annually appointed a standing committee consisting of nine members of the Senate, to be called the committee on the Faculty of Medicine, whose duty it shall be to regulate the administration of all matters pertaining to the teaching Faculty of Medicine. That the first committee under the provisions of this statute be forthwith appointed (Sgd). Countersigned. (Sgd). JAMES BREBNER, Registrar. 2—51 WILLIAM MULOCK, Vice-Chanceilor. 18 UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO. Statute CLXXVI. Respkctino Chemistry in the Curriculum of tub Faculty ok Medicine. Passed November 11th, 1887. By the Senate of the University of Toronto, be it enacted : That the Statute relating to the Medical Curriculum be amended as follows : 1. On pajje 6 under the heading of Second Examination (2) (c) for •' Physiological Oheinistry " substitute " ChemiHtry applied to Medicine." 2. On the same page under the haad of Fourth Examination erase (2) " of practical instruction in Ohemiatry in its application to Hygiene and Forensic Medicine" and num- ber the succeeding paragraphs accordingly. 3. On page 8, under the head of subjects of the second examination add " (6) Chemistry applied to Medicine." 4. On the same page under the head of subjects of the fourth examination, omit " (8) Practical Examination in Chemistry in its application to Forensic Medicine and Hygiene." 5. On the same page under the head of primary examination, paragraph (4) erase " Physiological " and insert " Chemistry applied to Medicine." 6. On the same page, line three from the bottom erase " Physiological." 7. On page 11, under the head of Fourth Examination, erase " 7 Practical Exami- nation in Cliemistry in relation to Medical Jurisprudence and Sanitary Science 25," and in the line below ior 850 subhtitute 825. (Sgd). WM. MULOOK, Vice-Chancellor. Countersigned, JAMES BREBNER, Registrar. JLS.} Copy of an Order in Council approved by His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor the 23rd day of December, A.D. 1887. Upon the recommendation of the Honourable the Minister of Education, the Com- mittee of Council advise that the following Statutes of the Senate of the University of Toronto be approved by Your Honor. Statute OLXXIX.— Respecting Physiology in the Medical Curriculum, fDassed December 9th, 1887). Statute CLXXX. — Respecting equivalent Examinations in the Faculties of Arts and Medicine, (passed December 9th, 1887). Statute CLX XXI.— Respecting admission to the Faculty of Medicine at later stages than Matriculation, (passed 9th December, 1887). Certified, The Honorable, The Minister of Education. J. LONSDALE CAPREOL, Assistant Clerk, Executive Council, Ontario. I 19 CIMB. ), 1887. jws : 'hysiological of practical " and num- i add "(6) lation, omit edicine and h (4) erase ical Exami- ce 25," and icellor. 'GOVEBNOU 1, the Com- niversity of in, (passed )f Arts and le at later )ntario. UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO. Statutk CLXXIX. Passed, Deoe.mber 9th, 1887. By the Senate of the University of Toronto, be it enacted : That the curriculum of the F'aculty of Medicine is hereby amended by the substitu- tion of the words " elements of human physiology " for the words " physiology of diges- tion, circulation, and respiration," line 5 from the botiom of page 7, and line 5 from the top of page 11. UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO. Statute CLXXX. Passed, December 9th, 1887. By the Senate of the University of Toronto, be it enacted : 1. That the following examinations and courses of lectures and of practical instruc- tion in the Faculty of Arts shall be held equivalent to the examinations and courses of instruction in the Faculty of Medicine hereinafter mentioned, (1) The Second Year Honor Course and examinations in Biology in the Faculty of Arts shall be equivalent (a) to First Year Cc^urse and examination in Physiology, and (6) elements of Botany and Zoology to First Year and Primary Courses and examinations in the Faculty of Medicine. (2) The Second Year Ho;.or Course and examinations in Chemistry and Pass Physics of the Second Year Honor Course in Natural Sciences in the Faculty of Arts shall be equivalent to the First Year's Primary Course and examinations in Inorganic Chemistry and Natural Philosophy in the Faculty of Medicine. (3) The Third Year Honor Course and examinations in Chemistry in the Faculty of Arts shall be equivalent to the Second Year and Primary Courses, and examinations in Chemistry (with the exception of Chemistry applied to Medicine) in the Faculty of Medicine. (4) The Fourth Year Honor Course and examinations in Physiology and Normal Histology in the Faculty of Arts shall be equivalent to the Second Year and Primary courses and examinations in Physiology and Normal Histology. (5) Attendance at the Fourth Year Honor Course in Physiological Chemistry in the Faculty of Arts shall be equivalent to attendance at the Course of Chemistry applied to Medicine of the Second Year in the Faculty of Medicine but the examination in Physiological Chemistry of the Fourth Year in the Faculty of Arts shall not be equiva- lent to the examination in Chemistry applied to Medicine of the Second Year in the Faculty of Medicine. 2. That graduates or undergraduates in the Faculty of Arts who are in a position to avail themselves of the above privileges, but who desire to compete for scholarships or medals in the Faculty of Medicine shall be required to submit to the annual examin- ations in the latter faculty, that students however who do not desire to compete for scholarships or medals shall be allowed the sime rank in honors in the Faculty of Medicine as they have obtained in the equivalent examinations in the Faculty of Arts. '.0 IJN1VE1{SITY OF TORONTO. Statltk CLXXXI. Paasf.d, Dec.emh-r nth, 18S7. cet By the Senate of the UniverHity of Toronto, hv. it enacted : 1. That in addition to tho modo hcrotoibre provided, whereby candidates may pro- v;r>*'d to thi! dt'ftrff! of M.I5., cmdidates may under special circumstaticeH and on the recoinmcndiition of th<' Oommitte on the K.tculty of Mt-dicine he allowed to present them- selvea for exitmination for such d'^gree or any intermediate examination. 2. That the Committee shall have power to allow to any applicant desirous of pre- senting himself for any of the examinations in the Faculty of Medicine (except the tirst examination) any examinations whijli he may have passed in any other University or School of iMfdicine upon production of proper certidcateS shewing his standing in such University or School of Medicine. 3. That all applications under the provisions of this Statute shall stand referred to the said Committee. [Copy.] Buksak's Office, Toronto, 23rd Fel)., 1888. • Sir, — The Board of Trustees of the University of Toronto beg respectfully to report : That the present Ool!t'f;e buildings not affording the necssary accommodation for the proper teaching of crrtain branches of Science, and the Board having come to the con- clusion that the erection of a new buUdin:.,' for such pur|)ose is a matter of pressing necessity, caused plans to be prepared for such new buihling and find that the cost there- of will amount to (845,200) forty-tive thousand two hundred dollars. Toward this amount the Board has at its disposal out of unexpended income, fifteen thousand live hundred dollars, leaving about thirty thousand dollars to be provided out of capital. The Bnard would respectfully urge that the sum of twenty thousand dollars and any further payments made by the GovermnHut for the .stone building property in the Park be applied towards the proposed work, and that the balance required, if any, be taken out of capital, and that the capital fund so diminished be restored out of income from the University Fund. The plans of the proposed building are herewith submitted. I have the honor to be, Sir, Your obedient pervant, rSgd.) J. E BERKELEY SMITH, Bursar. To the Hon. Geo. W. Ross, M.P. P., etc., etc., etc., Minister of Education, Toronto. ^87. 8 may pro- ne! on the iHtmt them- lus of pre- )t the tirHt iversity or ig in .such referred to \ 21 OOI'V OK AN OUUKK IN CoUNClL APPROVKI) ilV IIl8 lIoNOK IIIK LlKUTKNANT-GuV RHS'OH TIIK 7tII KAY OK MaHCH, A.D, 1H88. The Oonmiittpo of (Council have had undfc considpratioii thf rcfjort of the Honorable the Minister of Kducation, dated tlie iOth dny of February, 18H8, wherein he atatcH that on the 23rd ihiy of tin- said month of I'VWrnary, the Hoiinl of I'l ustees of the Univtirsity of Toronto approved of certain plann for the erection of a new building for the purpose of affording the necessary accommodation for the proper teaching of certain branches of science and that the Board further report that the said building will cost $45,200, but that towards this amount th(^ Board haa at its disposal out of the unexpended income $15,500. The Board recommends that the balance requiied over and above the said sum of $15,500 be taken out of capital and that that fund so diminished bo recouped out of income from the University Fund. The Committee concur in the recommendation of the B lard of Trustees of the said University and advise that the same be approved of by your honor. Certified. (Sgd.) LONSDALE CAPRKOL, Assistant Clerk, Executive Council. 1888. f to report : on for the ;o the con- )f pressing cost there- )nie, fifteen oviiled out ira an d any 1 the Park ', be taken come from Copy of an Order in Council Approved bv His Honor the Lieutenant-Govkrnor THE 2l8T T)Av op March, A.D. 1888. Upon the recommendation of the Honorable the Minister of Education, the Com- mittee of Council advise that the following Statute of the Senate of the University of Toronto be ap|)roved of by your honor : — Statute CLXXX I v.— Respecting the degree of M.D. (passed March 9th, 1888.) Certif -^d. J. LONSDALE CAPREOL, A.^siatant Clerk, Executive Council. The Honorable The Minister of Education. UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO. Statute CLXXXIV. ^IITH, Bursar. Passed March 9th, 18S8. By the Senate of the University of Toronto, be it enacted : That the writing of a Thesis shall not be required of any candidate for the degree of M.D., provided that he shall have been engaged in the practice of medicine for a i)eriod of three years ; and any time spent in post graduate study at any British, foreign or Canadian University shall be regarded as equivalent to time spent in the practice of medicine. 22 I The lion. Mr. Hohh, MiniHtfirof Kducation, lloLVUoot) Villa, B2 Maiti.ani) Htuekt, TouoNTO, S.'ird Juno, 1888. Dkau Hik, — I was deli^llt«>(l to hear from ii friond who wiia proHont and hoard your recPiit Hpwch at th«< Ontario Mndical AHHociation that you oxpr«'«8od yournolf to thft ellVct that th») GovcminHit wurn prepared to aid in the (lireclion of the higher niedioal (ducation now in demand, and which we have been keeping up %vith, and doing our heat for yeaiH to advance, at our own e.xpeime aa a coUege. PhyHioiogical and chemical apparatim is very expensive, and when you are dnviaing liberal things don't forgot " Trinity Medical College," the medical institution to which the largest number of our Ontario young nion come for their education for the medical profesHion. Faithfully yours, W. B. OKI K IE. i [Copy.] (Personal.) My deab Db. Gkikir. Toronto, Uh July, 1888. I am glad that you appreciate my ellortu to promote the higher education of the medical profession ; and am glad also to know that we have in Trinity University a valuable coadjutor. Yours truly, (Sgd) GEO. W, ROSS. Dr. Gkikik, .'32 Maitland St , Toronto. Ooi'y OF AN Ordkk in Council Appkovei) hy Hi.s Honor the Lieutena.nt Governor^ THE 12tii Day of Octohku, A. D. 1888. Upon the recommendation of the Honorable the Minister of Education, the Commit- tee of Council advise that the following Statutes of the Senate of the University of Toronto be approved of by Your Honor : — Statute OXCV. — Respecting fees for Practical Chemistry in Faculty of Medicine. Passed 28th September, 1888. Statute OXCVl. — Respecting fee for change of faculty. Passed 28th September. 1888. Statute OXCVII. — Respecting a chair in Medical Psychology in Faculty of Medicine. Passed 28th September, 1888. Certified, The Honorable The Minister of Education. (Sgd.) J. LONSDALE CAPREOL, Assistant Oltrk, Executive Council. 1 2;{ e, 1888. il honrd your urmtlf to th« ghor niHdical )ing our best are dHviain^ ion to which ' the medical i {TNIVKRSITY OK TOiioNTO. Statutk OXCV. PttHntU S-ptnnh^r -Hlh, ISSS. Ukbi'kctinu the Kkkh voh Pua(;ticai, (Jiikmihtiiy in tiik Faculty ok Mkukink. By the Honate of the (Ni verity of Toronto, be it enacted : That thh fees for Practiciil Chemintry and ChemiHtry applied to Medicine in the Faculty of Medicine Hhall bo fivedollarH for each course of lectures. (Sgd.) WM. MULOOK, Vice-Chancellor. A true copy, II. H. fjANQTON, Hegiatrar. SIKIE. ^, 1888. itiun of the Jniversity a ROSS. r Governor^ ;he Commit- y o( Toronto f Medicine. September, )f Medicine. » Council. UNIVKHSITY OF TORONTO. Statutk CXOVI. Rkspkctinc tiik Fkk kok Ciianqk of Faculty. faaml September 2Sth, 1888. Hy the Senate of the University of Toronto, be it enacted : That no fee Hhall hereafter be ohargod for changin},' from the Faculty of Arts to that of Medicine. (Sgd.) WM. MULOCK, Vice-Ohancellor. A true copy, H. H. Lanoton, Registrar. UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO- Statute CXCVII. Respectino a Ohair of Medical Psychology in the Faculty of Medicine. Parsed Feiilember 28th, 1888. By the Senate of the UniverHity of Toronto, be it enacted • 1. A Chair in Medical Psycholay that balance and from what account it was transferred. Return statement. Yours truly. 4 E. B. Smith, Esq., 1 20 Simcoe Street, Toronto. («gd-) GEO. W. ROSS. I [Copy.] University and Colleges, Burssar's Ofpick, 120 SiMcoK St., Toronto, 2nd February, 1891. My Dear Sir, — In answer to your letter of the 30fIedical Faculty id faculty, that it Lecturer, be Dear Sir, — In accordance with your request 1 have perused the open letter addressed by Dr. Geikie to the Honorable Attorney-General, on the subject of " Medical Education in Ontario." In reply I must invite your attention to the broader questions which it involves. In the remodelling of King's College, whereby the provincial endowments for higher education were transferred from the control of a single denomination, and placed on the just basis of a national system in which all citizens enjoy perfect equality, the Faculties of Law and Medicine were abolished. This revolution had already been effected when I entered on my duties as a Professor, in 1853 ; but the incidents connected with it were fresh in the memory of all, and the chief actors were prominent members of the community. I had the privilege of enjoying intimate intercourse with the Honorable Robert Baldwin, and was admitted to much friendly communication with the Honorable Chancellor Blake, and with other public men conversant with the political life of the time. From the information communicated to me by them I was left in no doubt that the abolition of the Medical Faculty was largely due to the antagonism between the late Dr. Rolph and certain professional rivals ; the Honorable Dr. Rolph being, at the time of its abolition, a member of the Government. I was subsequently confirmed in my belief of the influence so exercised, by approaches made to me from the same quarter, with a view to the restoration of the Medical Faculty. Fresh as I then was from Edinburgh, and familiar with the relations of the Science Departments to other branches of instruction in that University, I was strongly impressed with the beneficial influence which an efficient Medical Faculty exerts in stimulating and fostering all Departments of Science. It was, therefore with mingled surprise and regret that I learned of the abolition of the Medical Faculty at the very time that steps were being taken to establish Professorships in Science, and give to it some due share in the prescribed requirements of a liberal education. The results abundantly confirmed my apprehensions. The Department of 42 Natural iristory exercised slight influence on the studies of the undergraduates; and the entire scientific work played a very subordinate part in undergraduate studies. The counter-revolution which the ristoration of the :\Iedical Faculty effected is already abundantly apparent. The Department of Natural History has expanded into an etiicicnt school of Biology, with its related branches of Physiology, Histology and Botany, ollering to the students in Arts ample facilities, and holding out strong incentives to a thorough devotion to their studj. The Department of Chemistry has in like manner entirely outgrown the limited aims of earlier years ; and the needful steps are being taken for providing an adequate building, with the appliances for carrying on laboratory and other work, not less important to many of the students in Arts than to those in the Faculty of Medicine. The necessity for similar provisions for the I'epartmrnt of Geology is now urgently pressed on the attention of the University authorities ; and action is only delayed till funds are available for the purpose. The important of Chemistry to the medical student is universally recognized. The novel bearings of Biology, in all its branches of research on the transformation of the practice of medicine from empirical routine, to an intelligent scientific application of well- determined remedial measures to specific diseases, are now widely familiar. But even Geology has its branch of Paheontology to which the attention of the medical student is wisely directed ; Psychology, though mainly prosecuted as a branch of philosophy, has its important bearings on abnormal cerebral action on hypnotism, and many forms of mental aberation ; while physics has now 'ts special experime>ital lectures, including the study of electricity and magnetism to meet the requirements of the extended medical cur- riculum. In all this, instead of the work of arts students being impeded, the necessary development of the various science departments has largely added to the facilities for their study. In this healthful expansion every true friend of higher education in Ontario has an interest, and no class of students enjoy such important practical results as those in arts, the science teachers in your collegiate institutes and high schools, the land surveyors, mining engineers, the chemical analysts and druggists, the electricians, and all to whom practical scientific training is of value. Yet £,11 this Dr. (Jeikie calls upon you to reduce to the restricted and inadequate scale ol' earlier years, assumed to comprehend a suffi- ciency for students in arts, on the plea t'lat " it is not the duty of the state to use public funds of any kind in educating students for a special profession any more than for any other calling by which people earn their living." What then are we to think of our Pro- vincial Agricultural College for the Foientific education of farmers, or our Normal Schools and School of Pedagogy for teachers, or our School of Practical Science for land survey- ors, civil engineers, chemical analysts, architects, etc., or a subsidised school of the fine arts, or a Canadian Literary Institute 1 Is all special professional training, with the one exception of medicine, deserving of aid and encouragement from the state, or is it not rather beyond all controversy that there-is no other department of professional training — not even that of the teacher — in which every member of the community has so keen a personal interest as that of medicine'! I will only say in die words of Dr. Geikio, "our Province is inhabited by sensible people who can see and judge of such matters for them- selves. Dr. Geikie next proceeds to advance charges of gross abuse, and shameful misappro- priation of University funds. 1. The Legislature having voted 8160,000 in aid of the restoration of the University buildings, after the disastrous fire of February 1-ith, 1890, Dr. Geikie says : — " It may ap|)ear incredible, but it is nevertheless true, that at this very time, or almost immediately afterwards, other exten ive and very costlv buildings were contracted for and pushed as rapidly forward as possible.. ..Most unquestionably the Legislature of Ontario, which had hastened to vote $160,000 to aid in repairing the damage done by the fire, had no idea that the most of the sum so pr>)iuptly and liberally voted would be at once tpent in a way which was never for a moment intended, viz., on dissecting-rooms, etc." It is scarcely possible to ;haracterize in too strong language the reckless conduct of a person in Dr. Geikie's position making to the Atiorney-General a charge against the 43 nclergraduates ; aduatp studies. ulty effected is expanded into Histology and ling out strong Chemistry has nd the needful appliances for he students in r provisions for the University pose. (Cognized. The rmation of the )lication of well- liar. But even dical student is philosophy, has many forms of i, including the ded medical cur- id, the necessary ;he facilities for Ontario has an 3 those in arts, land surveyors, nd all to whom on you to reduce prehend a suffi- ite to use public re than for any ihink of our Pro- ' Normal Schools for land survey- hool of the fine ng, with the one tate, or is it not jsional training — y has so keen a Dr. Geikio, " our matters for thera- amefiil raisappro- : the University ikio says ;— " It ticne, or almost re contracted for le Legislature of he damage done 1 liberally voted ntended, viz., on kless conduct of a large against the authorities of the Univernity, which ho admits to be, to all appcsarance, incredil)lp, and yet which he obviously never troubles himself to authenticate, while pleil^^ing his word for its truth. The facts, which he might have readilv ascertained on eni[uiry, are these : The plans for the extension of the l)iolo,t,'ical building were completed in Novoinl>er of the year previous to the fire ; the contracts for the building were accepted, and the re(nusite funds appropriated by the Board of Trustees immediately thereafter, ami the building was rtlreaily in progress and tlie foundations well advanced before the tiro occurred. It is scarcely necessary, therefore, to add that not a single dollar of the money voted by the Legislature has been spent for this, for any other purpose than the restoration of the buildings destroyed by the fire. 2. Again, Dr. Geikie asserts that the biological buildings of the University are really an addition for the accommodation of the Medical Faculty ; that their extension " was manifestly intended for medical teaching purposes ; " and that " they are to all intents and purposes medical school buildings." To this I shall offer ao vague reply, but a definite statement; ui Tacts. In the east wing, first completed, there are, according to the architect's report, about 16,C00 square feet of floor space. Of this fully 12,000 square feet — or three fourths of the whole building — are entirely devoted to the u.se and purposes of the students in arts. The lecture room and the elementary laboratory, which are the only rooms that the medical students share, with those of the Faculty of Arts, have an area of about 4,000 square feet. But both lecture room and laboratory would require to be of the present dimensions if the Medical Faculty were abolished. Of the thirty-eight working places in the elementary laboratory nearly all are occupied every day by the First and Second Years' practical classes of the Arts Faculty, each class num- bering over thirty students. The same places are used at other hours for the practical classes in Biology and Histology of the Medical Curriculum; but the latter classes are under the charge of instructors paid exclusively from the resources of the medical students' fees I cannot imagine that any disinterested and impartial enquirer will see the slightest impropriety in tlie facilities provided by the University for its arts' students being also made available, within such restrictions, to the students in its Medical Faculty. 3. Next turning to the later extension of the biological building, which Dr. Geikie affirms to have been erected from funds obtained on false pretenses, and to be " to all intents and purposes medical school buildings," the simple fact is that the transfer of the teaching of natural history or biology, in all its branches, to th« new building, which for the first time supplied needful appliances in other respects, rendered the removal of the museum to the same building imperative. The addition of this as part of the original plan was contemplated from the first, and would have been no less indispen sible had no Medical Faculty existed. So far, then, from the later extension of the building being for purely medical purpose.^, the whole main southern range was originally designed, and is now appropriated for the accommodation of the museum. Had it been possible to complete the entire building at once, the whole contents of the museum would have been safely disposed in their new apartments before the calamitous fire of 1890. But although senous damage was then done to the collection, much of the valuable con- tents were rescued ; and, with the gifts already received from many liberal benefactors, in addition to further promise of valuable contributions, it is confidently anticipated that the npw Biological Museum, rearranged on the plan now in vogue in the great German Universities, will not only be one of the most important educational museums on this continent, and therefore alike helpful to arts and medical students, but that it will also prove a popular and attractive feature of the Provincial University for the general ^a- iC. So far, therefore, it is obvious that one main portion of the newer building was designed and is appropriated for other than medical purposes. In a further portion of it temporary accommodation has been provided for th" Departments of Geology and Mineralogy, until a more adequate structure can be erected ; and in so far as certain portions of the building are set apart for the Medical Faculty, a report was obtained from the Architect specifying their estimated cost, and on the basis thus furnished, an annual rent of $1,200 is charged to the Medical Faculty, in accordance with the report of a joint committee of the Board of Trustees and the Senate as what in their estimation 44 "would 1)0 a just and adequate allowance" as interest for the cost of erection. In addition to this the University is credited with a further sum estimated at $1,000 to accrue to it as " proportion of expenses of maintenanco and repairs of Biological and Chemical huildins;H, to be refunded out of Medical Faculty funds." With those facts before you 1 leave you to form your own estimate of tlie value to be attached to Dr. Geikie's statement of what even he acknowledges to '• appear incredible," but which he gives you his solemn assurance " is ncveitheloss true." I observe that the letter is .signed by its author in his otliciu'. capacity as " Dean of Trinity Medical College," and that he professes to speak in the name of the Faculty. " To the Government and to the Legif- Ittture," he saya, "we continue to look for redress." Although I have only now obtained sight of the letter, on its being forwarded by you to me with the re(iuest for a reply to its grave charges, including that of fradulcnt misappropriation of public funds, obtained on false pretenses ; yet I observe by the dite that the letter has been in circulation unchallenged for upwards of two months. Can it be possible that the respectable body of medical gentlemen constituting the Faculty of Trinity College are willing to .share the responsibility of such reckless and unfounded assertions as I have quoted from the letter addressed by their Dean to the .\ttorney-General 1 One further point remains to be noted. Under a University Statute, confirmed by the Lieutenant-Governor in Council, all fees paid by medical students are apportioned to the Medical Faculty. In the interpretation of this Statute, fees paid by students for Physiology, Chemistry and Biology, have been treated as " fees paid by medical students, ' and this Dr. Geikie denounces as "an abuse worthy of Ottawa." In reality out of this fund, derived entirely from fees paid by the students in the Medical Faculty, thej following expenses are met, viz., the instruction in Practical Chemistry for medica students in their first year ; . the special Medical Chemistry for students of the second year; the Zoology for those of the first year , and the Histology for those of the second year ; ali this being instruction specially designed and adapted for medical students On the other hand the medic»l fund has not hitherto been charged with any payment for the medical students who avail themselves of the didactic lectures in Physiology ; nor for such lectures in Chemistry, apart from laboratory work, as they share in common with Arts students ; as these lectures involve no more than the occupation by the medical student than a seat in the lecture room, and lead to no addition to the cost which the University would have to incur for the students in arts, if no Mudical Faculty were in existence. Again, out of the same medical fund, derived exclusively from the fees of the medical students, such charges are met as those incurred in the purchise of microscopes and other instruments for scientific research, and for furthering the experimental basis of Pharmacology an i Therapeutics. The restoration of the Medical Faculty has largely increased the amount of work devolving on the Science Professors, but none of the fees accrue to themselves in remuneration for the great addition to their labor and responsibili- ties. It is the source on which they draw for the purpose of extending and elevating the teaching of Medical Science. For example, on the recommendation of the Medical Faculty, the Senate has approved of the appropriation out of their fund oE $1,000 to defray the expens*^ of a practical course of Bicteriology. to be give;! during the current year by Professor Ramsay Wright, after his ordinary duties are over Tiiis course of post gradu- ate instruction in one of the most important branches of Medicil Science will occupy the greater part of each day throughout the nioath devotel to it, and wiU be avail- able to all inemb ;rs of the m'^dicil profession. The appropriation abjv^ named is required solely for needfu' appliances for the cjurse. The services of the Profes.sDr are voluntarily given, wit lout remuneration. That some readjustment of some of the arrangements heretofore adopted in reference to the special medical fund, may commend itself to your judgment, under present cir- cumstances, is possible. But the devotion of fees piid by medical students for instru- ments and other appliances indispensable for the furtherance of scientific research in its special application to mediciu(;, or for sujh courses of lectures as those of the Professor of Biologv — though his salary is derived solely from the University endowni'^nt, and not i I 45 srection. In it 81,000 to ological and those facts ached to Dr. jut which he tter is signed and that he to the Legii-- low obtained 'or a reply to ids, obtained n circulation iBctable body ling to share )ted from the confirmed by pportioned to r students for cal students, ' ty out of this Faculty, thej for medica af the second of the second itudents On fment for the logy ; nor for 3omraon with the medical ost which the ulty were in le fees of the f microscopes ental basis of has largely )ne of the fees d responsibili- elevating the the Medical ,000 to defray rrent year by of post gradu- 3 will occupy wi'l be avail- )w, namel is the Prof ess ir d in reference er present cir- nts for instru- research in its the Professor m'^iit, and not from the nifdical fund— to form the requisite means for such postgraduate work as T have described, can scarcely suggest to any unbiased mind the idea of a inisuppropriatif/ii of University revenue. It is inevitable when any great public iuiprovement on existing systems is iriaugu rated, that the old Kphesian cry of " our cruft is in danger," should anew be heard. The old profitable venture is not only claimed to be a vested interest, but is unblusliinglv maintained to be ample for all n »juirements, if not, indeed, incapable of improvement. Dr. Geikie repeatedly refers to "our self-supporting Medical Colleges," c mfidently affirms that they satisfy all re(iuirement8 of m('(lical education, and, as he takes on him- ,self to say, " as is al)undantly proved, do the work as well as it can be done " — '• provide and equip every building ihey n(|uire at their own cost, which answer perfectly all the purposes of the highest and best medical education given in any part of the Empire." I accept these, and similar statements of Dr. (leikie, as made in good faith. Miirvellous as they are, I assume that he believes them all. But, if so, they show how little conception the Dean of Trinity College lias of the requirements of a well-etjuipped Medical School. I have repeatedly had letters from old students who, after beginning their medical studies at one or other of the Toronto Medical Schools, have gone to one of the great schools of Europe, and their expressions relative to the contrast between the inadequate and petty provisions in the little buildings alongside of our Toronto General Hospital ; and the ample appliances they found available for them at Edinburgh, London, Paris or Berlin would furnish an amusing commentary on Dr. Geikie's self-complacent estimate of his school. Why, sir, the Edinburgh Hospital, with its clinical lecture rooms, opera- ting theatres, etc., covers a larger area than many Canadian villages; and alongside of it stands the amply equipped University buildings devoted to the departments of Science and Medicine, including Biology, Physiology, and all the branches of science which now contribute so largely to the transformation of medicine into scientific instead of mere empirical treatment of disease. In truth the great evil of the multiplication of such " self-supporting medical schools is that their pecuniary interests are in conflict with the necessary expansion to embrace the important new applications of modern science. Dr. Geikie sfieaks of the University of Toronto as a keen competitor with such schools for students ; but the entire record of the University in its efforts to set a higher standard for its medical degrees proves that it voluntarily adopted and adhered to requirements which greatly reduced the number of candidates willing to encounter the severe conditions it imposed. At the late meeting of the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario, Dr. Bergin, as convener, presented the report of a committee appointed the previous year " to communicate with the authorities of the Canadian and English universities and medical colleges, and obtain their views as to the necessity, if any, for a higher standard of preliminary and medical education," Important changes, based on this report were sought to be introduced into the curriculum ; and on the persistent urgency of Dr. Geikie and others to defer ita discussions, and to adjourn all consideration of its recommendations, Dr. Bergin, the originator and active promotor of this effort at elevating the standard of medical education in Ontario ; after urging that whether designed or not, the postponing consideration of the report, as proposed, till next session would be to kill it for years to come, is further reported as saying : " I feel that we have too many medical schools ; and I feel that all the opposition that we have attempts to advance the interests of the medical professioa of this country comes from the schools ; and if they desire it, and continue in this course the result will be that the profession will as one man rise up and demand that the school men be excluded from this council because of their opposition to every advance in medical and preliminary education." When, in 1887, the Legislature restored to the University of Toronto its Medical Faculty, its authorities were most anxious to prevent, if possible, the multiplication of schools; and it is important that you should know that precisely the same invitation to co-operate in the revival of the Medical Faculty was extended to the Trinity and to the Toronto Medical School. Dr. Geikie refers to such a combination of forces as was thereby aimed at for the creation of one efficient medical school, as an attempt at the impossible ; and in doing so incidentally admits the fact that such a union was freely off"ered to him 4G atid hiH colleagues Addressing the Attorney-General, he says : "You spoak of ' union colleges; ' and this was suggested in 1887 ; but medical colleges large enough to require the serviced of a complete staff of professors and other teachers, can no more be rolled together than can large congregations, or public schools ; and it is never wise to attempt the impossible." The remark only furninhes another proof of Dr. Geikie's failure to comprehend the condition and requirements of a thoroughly equij-ped medical school. In reality the united school would have been small in comparison with any of the great schools of Kuiope. That of Edinburgh, for example, numbers fully 2,000 medical students. The co-operation of the ablest men in both schools, superadded to the resources of the University and its efficient staff of instructors in science, would have hastened the develop- ment of what, unless the Legislature of Ontario yield to the misrepresentations of interested and unscrupulous defamers, and strangle it in its cradle, is destined I confidently believe, to become one of the greatest medical schools on this continent. How far the proposition for united action on this new and comprehensive basis was fully considered and dealt with by the members of the Faculty of Trinity Medical College I have no means of determining ; but of Dr. Geikie's action, and of the motives that guided him, we are left in no doubt. In his letter to the Globe, of date March 23rd, 1887, he says : " I think it will be ample time to give the subject full consideration when we learn that the Government of Ontario, with the cordial support of our Provincial Legislature, has fully decided to create, equip, and endow liberally, a ne v^ medical teaching body ; and to provide for it a stafi of the best teachers the country can furnish, each of whom shall have a salary secured to him of not less than $2,000 a year for each of the principal chairs ; and a suitable retiring aUowance when, from age or ill-health, he is no longer able to discharge his duties. Till this is done the project is a mere ' castle in the air.' When it has assumed this tangible form I am quite sure ' Trinity Medical School ' will accord to it a piost careful and respectful consideration." I leave. Sir, to yourself and to the Attorney-General, to judge how far this avowal of the Dean of Trinity Medical School in 1887, harmonizes with the " disinterested " protest of the same person in 1891, against the application by the state of public funds of any kind in promoting medical education. It is sufficient for me to invite your attention to the evidence I have adduced to show that while by the co-operation of the instructors of the University Medical Faculty with the professors and lecturers in Arts and Science, enormous advantages are secured to the medical students of Ontario ; and they have for the first time opportunities placed within their reach that heretofore had to be sought in British or Foreign schools ; yet so far as the instruction pertains to strictly medical subjects it constitutes no charge on the funds of the University. I have the honor to be, Dear Sir, Yours respectfully, (Sgd.) DANIEL WILSON. University of Toronto, February 22nd, 1892. nmtteri higher there ii any fea Sir Da] Copy c mittee < on the Sti The He TW 1. offered fees, bu [Copy.] Personal. ) Toronto, 9th March, 1892. My Dear Sir Daniel, — Each member of the House was furnished with a copy of your very satisfactory letter in reply to Dr. Geikie. For the present I think that will be sufficient. Is would be useful for me, however, to have, say twenty-five copies at my disposal as an answer to those who make inquiries by letter with regard to University 2. as an oi Practic remainc 3. form pa 4. previous of the c is exen 47 ak of ' union igh to require lore be rolled 86 to attempt ie's failure to ledical school. y of the great dical students, sources of the sd the develop- esentations of I I confidently live basis was [edical College motives that March 23rd, ieration when ur Provincial idical teaching irnish, each of >r each of the alth, he is no ' castle in the ;dical School ' ,r this avowal disinterested " public funds of your attention ;he instructors ts and Science, they have for o be sought in trictly medical WIISON. arch, 1892. I with a copy of think that will ve copies at my d to University matters. 1 am sorry to say that I do not like the tone of the House on the question of higher education, either as it afTects our High Schools or the University. Still I think there is no danger of an attack which we cannot very successfully parry, nor is there any fear of criticism that will be injurious to either of these interests. Sir Daniel Wilson, Knight, Toronto. Yours truly, (Sgd.) GEO. W. ROSS. Copy of an Ordbr in Council approved by His Honor the Lieutenant-Govbrnor, THE 27th day of April, A.D. 1892. TJpon the recommendation of the Honorable the Minister of Education, the Com- mittee of Council advise that the following Statute of the University of Toronto, passed on the 8th day of April instant, be approved of by Your Honor. Statute OOLXIV., as to Medical Fees. Certified, (Sgd.) J. LONSDALE CAPREOL. Assistant Clerk, Executive Council. The Honorable the Minister of Education. UNIVEESITY OF TORONTO. Statute OOLXIV. Statute as to Medical Fees. Passed April 8th, 1892. The Senate of the University of Toronto, enacts as follows : 1. The fees for a Matriculated Student in Medicine, comprising all the instruction offered in any one year of his course, including any Laboratory Practical Instruction fees, but not including Laboratory s'jpply charges, shall be : For the first year $75 00 For the second year 75 00 For the third year 85 00 For tlje fourth year 85 00 2. So much of the fee as equals the amount which would be payable by such student as an occasional student in Arts for attendance on courses in Arts, including Laboratory Practical Instruction fees, shall be credited to and form part of the fees in Arts, and the remainder only of the fee shall be credited to and form part of the fees in Medicine. 3. The Laboratory supply charges payable by such student shall be credited to and form part of the fees in Arts. 4. The fee for a Matriculated Student in Medicine, who (by reason of his having previously, as a Matriculated Student in Arts, taken a course or partial course in Arts of the character and duration required from him as a Matriculated Student in Medicine) is exempt from taking such course or partial course as a Matriculated Student in 4H Medicinfi, Mlmll be the fee prescrihed l.y the first sfiction, Iran ho much thereof hh wou1 [Copy.] Hon. G. W. Ross, LL D., Minister of Education, Toronto. Univkusity ok Toronto, HegiHtrar's OiKce, Mfty 11 til, 18y statute 273, and that the said reports he transmitted to the Lieutenant (Governor in Council with this recom- mendation." The following resolution was al.'^o adopted at the same meeting of the Senate : "That in order to carry out the recent arrangc^nuuits uncier whicli the f(ies of medical students for instruction in Arts subjects are payable into the general funds, out of which funds the instruction is to be {)rovided, it is necessary that the following oilices be created : a temporary Lecturer and Demonstnitor in Chemistiy, with a salary at th.s rate of S«')0() a year, pending re-arrungements to he made on the occupancy of the ntsw chemical building, and a tempoiary assistant Demonstrator in Hioloyy with a salary not exceeding .Sf)00 per annum, and that the Senate recommend to the (iovernment the creation of these otllces and the appointment of incumbents, such appointments to take etloct from the Ist October next. Note, — The reports Noa. 2 and 3 above mentioned follow Order in Council dated 1 tth July, 1892, approving of same. I have the honor to he, Sir, Yotir obedient servant. (Sgd.) JAMES BUEBNER. the recoi i Copy op an Ordeu in Council Aj'puovku nv His Honor the Liijutenant-Governor, THE 14th Day ok July, A.D., 1892. Upon the recommendation of the Honorable the Minister of Education, the Com- mittee of Council advise that the following reports of the Standing Committee of the University of Toronto, on the Medical Faculty be approved by Your Honor, upon the terms spcicified therein, and pursuant to sections 10 and 11 of Statute 173, as amended by Statute 273. 1. Report dated 3rd May, 1892, and adopted May 13th, 1892. 2. Report dated 2nd June, 1892, and adopted 3rd June, 1892. 3. Report dated 9th June, 1892, and adopted 10th June, 1892. Certified, (Sgd.) J. LONSDALE OAPREOL, Assistant Clerk, Executive Council. The Honorable The Minister of Education, Toronto. NoTB.— The above first mentioned report dated 3rd May, 18U2, lias teen laid upon tiie Table of the House. I 7 th, 1892. ' Committoo on il Faculty, viz : B Senate at tli« ominnnd to the mondod by tho .■Jrd, 1892, and niiin.led liy tlut :ir(l, 1892, and upon tho torniH •J7;J, and that ith this recoiii- S(!nat«j ; ( ftx'H of medical H, out of which licoH l)e created : rate of SftOO a riuiical t)uildin<{, exceedini^ iSftOO reatinn of thewo oct from the 1 8t n Council dated HEHNER. NANT-GOVERNOR, fttion, the Coin- immittee of the lonor, upon the 17.3, as amended PREOL, :ecutive Council. Table of the Houhb. 51 UNIVKHSFTY OF TOllONTO. The Committee on the Medical Faculty hog to report with reference to the otHuea the recomn»endations lor which were poHtjiotied in their >,mii( ral report on le or^aiii/.a- tion and aim) on certain other pointH connected with the re-orguni/.ation aH followH : - I. PRorKMHOR ON Anatomy and Lk(;tijkkr on Anatomy. We have to rejiort that ProfeHHor RichardHon hai Hi^nitled hia option to takort and that coimi'i|uently the Lecturer will take the duty of lecturing to the first and Hccond year atudienta, being that firstly mentioned in the I ith clause. 2. Dkmonsthator of Patiioi.oov. PurHuant to the report we have consulted Prof. J. Oaven, who recommends Dr. Ceorge Acheson for this a|)|pointment. In this recommendation we concur. 3. Dkmonhtrator in chakok ok tiik Univkrhity iroMiMTAL Clinical Laiioratorv, Clinical Laboratories for each of the two Medical Schools are being provided by the Hospital. Ry another report to \»' presented to the Scmate, we are HUggesting that the UnivcTsity Laboratory whould be placed in change of the University Hlall" and connected with the Pathological Department. This view iH also presented by Prof. Caven who ■trongly recommends for that post, Dr John Amyot. It would be premature to com- plete the arrangements in this regard at this moment, l)ut we concur in the view that at the proper time this ))ost should be created, and Dr. Amyot appointed to it. We defer the consideration of the (|ue8tion of recommemlation. 4. Assistant Dkmonstrators in Anatomy. Pursuant to the report we have consulted Prof. Primrose who has expressed the strong opinion that (ive assistant Demonstrators will be found adeijuato to the work, and under the special circumstances which ex' t will produce better results than a larger number. Professor Primrose takes the full responsibility of proposing that no more than five assistants should be present be appointed, and he recommends as most eligible for the post, the following gentlemen: — Dr, Fere, Dr. Starr, Dr. Thistle, Dr. F. W. Oano, Dr. A. R. Gordon. We are of opinion that the views of Professor Primrose who is responsible for the conduct of this branch of the work should have weight and we recommend that five only out of the nine assistant Demonstrators suggested by the report should at present be appointed, and we concur iti Professor Primrose's recommendation as to the nominees. 5. Lecturkr in To.xicoLO(jy. ^ We recommend that Professor Ellis be appointed temporary Lecturer in Toxicology, the permanent arrangements for which subject are pursuant to the report postponed till after the completion of the chemical building. aj G. Medical Jukisprudknck and Legal Lecturer. We recommend that Professor David Mills, Q.O., be appointed Legal Lecturer on Jurisprudence. (Sgd.) EDWARD BLAKE. Registrar's Office, June 2nd, 1892. 52 The Committee on the Medical Faculty beg to report as follows : — 1. We recommend Dr. Hertram Spencer, of Toionto, as nominee for the office of Medical Lecturer in Medical Jurisprudence. 2. We recommend that all tho appointments in the Medical Faculty take effect from 22nd August, A D., 1892, being the period of expiration of five years from the date of the first appointments. 3. We recommend that this report with our report ou the subject of appointments be transmitted to the GoAernment as embodyint^ the recommendations of the Senate on the appointments. 4. We beg to transmit a letter from W. S. Lee, Esq., Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Hospital, to our uiinute on Clinical Facilities. 5. We beg to transmit a letter from Prof. Adam H. Wright the Secretary to the Medical Faculty in reference to the allowance to Prof. Primrose, for the services this year as Demonstrator in Anatomy and we recommend in pursuance thereof that one himdred dollars ($ IOC) be so allowed and that the Board c" Trustees be requested to direct the payment thereof out of the Medical Faculty funds available for the purpose. 0. We beg to transmit a letter from Professor John Caven and Professor Primrose, requesting for the reasons therein given that payment of their guaranteed stipend of $1,500 a year be made monthly, and we recommend that in case they are appointed on the terms of our report, by the Government, paym'^nt be made as requested out of Medi- cal Faculty funds available for the purpose, the first payment to be made for the period from 22nd August to .30th September, on the 1st day of October, and the subsequent payments on the first day of each month, and that the Board of Trustees be requested to direct the payments accordingly. All which is respectfully submitted. (Sgd.) EDWARD BLAKE, Acting Chairman. Kegistrar's Office, June 9th, 1892. By Thi accordin for : Cei Of havi] In in In In In In ia In Adopted, June 10th, 1892. Copy of an Order in Council Approved by His Honor the LiEUTENANT-GtvEnNOR, THE 14th Day of July, AD. 1892. Upon the recommendation of the Honorable the Minister of E lucation the Commit- tee of Council advise that the following Satute of the Senate of the University of Toronto, passed 10th June, 1802, be approved of by Your Honor : Statute COLXXV. — Respecting a Cui-rlculum in Medicine. Certified, The Honorable The Minister of Kducalion, (Sgd.) J. LONSDALE OAPREOL, Assistant Clerk, Executive Council. 63 e for the office of ,y take effect from I from the date of of appointments of the Senate on of the Board of Secretary to the • the services this thereof that one be reqnested to or the purpose. rofessor Primrose, nteed stipend of are appointed on ated out of Medi- ade for the period d the subsequent Bs be requested to BLAKE, iting Chairman. UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO. Statute 275. 'ENANT-G'IVBHNOR, ition the Coiiimit- '^ersity of Toronto, lEOL, Executive Council. Respecting a Curriculum in Medicine. Passed June 10th, 1892. By the Senate of the University of Toronto, be it enacted : That the requirements for certi6cates for the various examinations now in force according to the Curriculum in Medicine be repealed md the following substituted there- for : Certificates are required for the different examinations. First Examination. Of having attended In Anatomy a course of at least 50 lectures. In Physiology a course of at least 50 lectures and demonstrations. In Inorganic Chemistry a '^carse of at least 50 lectures. In Physics a course of at ! -st 25 lectures and demonstrations. In Biology a course of at least 40 lectures. In Practical Chemistry a cour.se of at least 50 hours. la Practical Biology a course of at least 50 hours. In Practical Anatomy a course of instructiou during six months. SECONn Examination. Of having attended In Anatomy a second course of at least 50 lectures. In Physiology a second course of at least 50 lectures and demonstrations. In Inorganic Chemistry a second course of at least 50 lectures. In Materia Medica and Elementary Therapeutics a second course of at least 50 lec- tures. In Embryology and Histology a course of laboratory instruction of at least 50 hours. ^ In Anatomy a second course of instruction during six months. In Pharmacy a course of instruction during three months. Third Examination. Of having attended In Medicine a course of at least 50 lectures. In Clinical Medicine a course of at least 50 lectures. In Surgery a course of at least 50 lecturer. In Olinical Surgery a course of at least 50 lectures. In Materia Medica and Thera|)eut)cs a course of at least 50 lectures. In Obstetrics a course of at 'east 50 lectures. In Pathology a course of at least 50 lectures. In Practical Pathology a course of at least 50 hours. S FouKTH Examination. (1) Of having attended In Medicine a second course of at least 50 lectures. In Clinical Medicine a second course of at least 50 lectures. In Surgery a second course of at least 50 lectures. In Olinical Surgery a second course of at least 50 .'ectures. In Pathology a second coutse of at least 50 lectures. 54 In Practical Pathology a second course of at least 50 hours. In Medical Jurisprudence and Lexicology a second course of at least 50 lectures. In GyniL'cology a second course of at least 50 lectijrea In IFygiene a second course of at least 25 lectures. In Medical Psychology a second course of at least 12 lectures. In Topographical Anatomy a second course of at least 50 hours. (2) Of having conducted at least six labors. (3) Of proficiency in vaccination. (Note in respect to 2 and 3 certificates will be received from any registered practitioner,) (i) Of attendance for eighteen months in the wards of a Public Hospital having not less than 100 beds. (5) Of attendance for twelve months on the out-practice of a Hospital or Dispensary or with a regular practitioner. (6) Of having attended 12 autopsies. That the subjects of the different examinations now in force according to the Curri- culum in Medicine be repealed and the following substituted therefor : Subjects of the different examinations : First Examination. 1. Anatomy. 2. Physiology. 3. Biology. 4. Inorganic Chemistry. 5. Physics. Second Examination. K 1 Coun Copy 1. Elements of Organic Chemistry. 2, Practical Chemistry, inclusive of Chemistry applied to Physiology. 3 Anatomy. 4. Physiology. 5 Embryciogy and Histology. 6. Materia Medica and Pharmacy. Third Examination. 1. Medicine. 2. Surgery. 3. General Pathology, including morbid anatomy and the mode of conducting autopsies. 4. Obstetrics. 5. Clinical Examinations in Medicine and Surgery. 6. Therapeutics. Fourth Examination. 1. Medicine. 2. Surgery. 3. Obstetrics and Diseases of Women and Children. 4. Hygiene. 5. Medical Psychology. 6. Clinical Examinations in Medicine and Surgery. 7. General and Special Pathology. 8. Medical Jurisprudence. 9. Therapeutics. 10. Topographical Anatomy. mitte Toroi Medi Secre ast 50 lectures. »red practitioner,) %\ having not less or Dispensary or ling to the Curri- y- e of conducting 55 Primary Examination. 1. Anatomy. 2. Physiology. 3. Biology. 4. Embryology and Histology. 5. Chemistry (Inorganic and Organic Chemistry applied to Physiology). 6. Materia Medica and Pharmacy. Final Examination. 1. Medicine. 2. Clinical Medicine. ? Surgery. 4. Clinical Surgery. 5. Obstetrics and Diseases of Women and Children. 6. Therapeutics. 7. Medical Jurisprudence. 8. General and Special Pathology and Pathological Histology. 9. Hygiene. 10. Mental Diseases. 11. Topographical Anatomy. Wherever possible, Practical as well as Written examinations will be required. Countersigned, (Sgd.) Jas. Brbbner, Vice-Ohancellor, (L.S.) (Sgd.) WM. MULOCK. Copy of an Order in Council Approved by His Honor the Lieutenant-Govbrnoh, THE 16th Day of July, A.D. 1892. Upon the recommendation of the Honorable the Minister of Education, the Com- mittee of Council advise that the following Statute of the Senate of the University of Toronto, passed 10th June, 1892, be approved of by Your Honor : Statute CCLXXIII. — Amending Statute No. 173, respecting Teaching Faculty in Medicine. Certified, (Sgd.) J. LONSDALE CAPREOL, Assistant Clerk, Executive Council. UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO. Statute 273. Amending Statute 173, Pasred June 10th, 1892. By the Senate of the University of Toronto, be it enacted : 1. Iv amendment of section 5 of the said statute it shall not be necessary that the Secretary o' the Medical Faculty be a Member of the Board of Management. 2. Section 7 of the said Statute is repealed and the following substituted : The Teaching Faculty in Medicine shall consist of the following : A. Inspectors not forming part of the sta ff in Arts. 'fi • y' !■' ' .rl s\ m Ml 50 I— Anatomy. 1. Professor of Anatomy. 2. Associate Professor and Demonstrator of Anatomy. 3. Lecturer in Anatomy. 4. Assistant Demonstrators in Anatomy (Maximum number 9). II. — Surgery. 5. Professor of Surgery. 6. Professor of Clinical Surgery. 7. Professor of Clinical Suigery. 8. Associate Professor of Surgery and Clinical Surgery. III. — Pathology. 9. Professor of Pathology. 10. Demonstrator of Pathology. IV. — Medicine. 11. Professor of Medicine and Clinical Medicine. 12. Associate Professor of Medicine and Clinical Medicine, 13. Lecturer in Clinical Medicine. V. — Pharmacology and Therapeutics. 14. Professor of Pharmacology and Therapeutics. 15. Demonstrator of Materia Medica and Elementary Therapeutics. VI. — Gynecology and Obstetrics. 16. — Professor of Gynecology. 17. — Professor of Obstetrics, VII. — Opthalmology, Otology, Laryngology and Rhinology 18. Professor of Opthalmology and Otology. 19. Clinical Lecturer in Otology. 20. Clinical Lecturer in Laryngology and Rhinology. 21. Professor of Hygiene. VIII. — Hygiensi. IX.— Toxicology. 22. Lecturer in Toxicology. X. — Medical Jurisprudence. 23. Medical Lecturer. 24. Legal Lecturer. B. Instructors forming part of the Staff in Arts. I. — Biology. 1. Professor of General Biology. 2. Professor of Physiology and Lecturer in Arts. 3. Demonstrator. 4. Fellow. 5. Professor of Olieniistry. 6 Demonstrator. 57 II. — Chemistry. III. — Physics. 7. Professor of Physics. 8. Lecturer. 0. I. Such other Professors, Lecturers, Demonstrators and Instructors as may from time to time be appointed. Besides the teaching Faculty in Medicine provide 1 OoP" OF AN OrDKR in COUNCIL APPROVED BY HiS HONOB THE LlEUTENANT-GoVERNOR, THE 24tii day of AudUST, A.D. 1892. The Oommittee of Council have had under consideration the report of the Honor- able the Minister of Education, dated 18tb August, inst, wherein he states : 1. That the sura of twenty thousand dollars authorized by Order in Council of 29th April, 1?91 (ratified by the Legislative Assembly at its last session) to be expended for a gymnasium and students' union and Convocation Hall for the University of Toronto, has so fair remained unexpended. 2. That the trustees of the University have received tenders for the erection of the building according to plans submitted, estimated to cost in all thirty-one thousand eight hundred and ninety-two dollars (3 1,81' 2.) 3. That it appears from the reports of the said trustees that by a modification of the plans originally approved, the trustees will be able to proceed with the erection of the said building and pay any charges in excess of the sum of twenty thousand dollars ($20,000) approved by the Legislature, out of moneys now subscribed fpr this purpose and accruing rents. The Minister recommends that the said plans as so modified be approved of. The committee advise that the said plans modified as aforesaid, be approved by your honor, and that the trustees be authorized to expend out of the permanent fund of the said University the said sum of twenty thousand dollars ($20,000) as approved by the Legislative Assembly, and no more. Certified. (Sgd.) J. LONSDALE CAPREOL, Assistant Clerk, Executive Council. Copy of an Order in Council Approved by His Honor the Lieutenant-Governor THE 30th day of September, A.D. 1892. Having regard to the report of the standing committee on the Faculty of Medicine on the subject of re-organization, dat«d the 3rd day of May, 1892, a copy of which is sub- mitted herewith, and subject to the conditions as to tenure of office and emoluments in this said report mentioned, and upon the recommendation of the Honorable the Minister of Education, the Committee of Council advise that the following persons be appointed to the teaching stafi" of the said Medical Faculty of the University of Toronto, namely : 1. J. H. Richardson, M.D., M.R.C.S., to be Professor of Anatomy. 2. Alexander Primrose, M.D., to be Associate Professor and Demonstrator of Anatomy. 3. H. Wilberforce Aikins, B.A.M.B., to be Lecturer on Anatomy. 4. W. T. Aikins, M.D., LL.D. to be Professor of Surgery. 5. L. McFarlane, M.B., to be Professor of Clinical Surgery. 6. Irving H. Cameron, M.B., to be Professor of Clinical Surgery. 7. George A. Peters, M.B,, to be Associate Professor of Surgery and Clinical Surgery. 8. John Oaven, M.D., CM., L.R.C.P., to be Professor of Pathology. 9. J. E. Graham, M.D,, L.R.C.P., to be Professor of Medicine and Clinical Medicine. 10. A. McPhedran, M.D., to be Associate Professor of \tedicine and Clinical Medicine. 11. W. P. Caven, M.D., to be Lecturer in Clinical Medicine. 12. J. M. McCallum, M.D., to be Professor of Pharmacology and Therapeutics. 13. O. R. Aviaon, M.D., to be Demonstrator ot Materia Medica and Elementary The- rapeutics. 14. Uzziel Ogden, M.D., to be Professor of Gyniccology. In IG 17 18 and B IS 2C 21 25 23 'J after I '"a The I 1 Medic Copy I mittee Toron S TheK T B 1. alread; MedicE year as 2. examii ANT-GOVKRNOR, of the Honor- louncil of 29th sxpended for a )f Toronto, has erection of the thousand eight ification of the erection of the ousand dollars ir this purpose ved of. e approved by nanent fund of as approved by 59 15. Adam H. Wright, B.A., M.B., to be Professor of Obstetrics. 16. R A. Reeve, B.A., M. D., to be Professor of Ophthalmology and Otology. 17. G. H. Biirnham, M.D., to be Clinical Lecturer in Ophthalmology. 18. George R. McDonagh, M.D., L.R.C.P., to be Clinical Lecturer in Laryngology and Rhinology. 19. W. Oldwright, M.A., M.D, to be Professor of Hygiene. 20. W. 11. Ellis, M.A., M.D., to be temporary Lecturer in Toxicology. 21. Bertram Spencer, M.B., to be a Medical Lecturer. 22. The Honorable David Mills, LL.B,, to be a Legal Lecturer 23. Daniel Clark, M.D., to be extramural ProfesEor of Medical Psychology. The Committee fnrther advise that the said appointments do take effect from and after the 22nd day of August last. Certified, (Sgd.) J. LONSDALE OAPREOL, Assistant Clerk, Executive Council. The Honorable, The Minister of Education. Note. — The above-mentioned Report of the standing comniittee on the Faculty of Medicine was laid upon the table of the House, 1893. tive Council. lANT-GoVEBNOR ;y of Medicine if which is sub- luments in this he Minister of e appointed to >, namely : or of Anatomy. inical Surgery. nical Medicine, tiical Medicine. apeutics. lementary The- m M Copy of an Order in Council Approved by His Honor the Lieutenant Governor THE 30th day of March, A.D. 1893. Upon the recommendation of the Honorable the Minister of Education, the Com- mittee of Council advise that the following Statutes of the Senate of the University of Toronto be approved of by Your Honor. Statute 284. — Respecting the Curriculum in Medicine, (passed 24th February, 1893). Certified, The Honorable, The Minister of Education. J. LONSDALE CAPREOL, Assistant Clerk, Executive Council. UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO. Statute 284. Respecting the Curriculum ih Medicine. Passed February 24th, 1893. By the Senate of the University of Toronto, be it enacted : 1. That students of the present Fourth year in the Faculty of Medicine who have already taken the examination in Topographical Anatomy, Therapeutics, Ob-ntetrics and Medical Jurisprudence be exempted from examination in the same subjects in the Fourth year as demanded by the present Curriculum. 2. That the present Third year be allowed to elect to take the Third and Fourth year examinations as amended. 4i !^! 60 SuBJBOTB OF Third Examination. 1. Medicine and Cliir'oal Medicine. 2. Surgery and Olinical iSurgery. 3. General Pathology. 4. ObatetricB (Physiological). 5. Therapeutics. 6. Topographical Anatomy. Subjects of the Fourth Examination. 1. Medicine and Clinical Medicine. 2. Surgery and Clinical Swrgery. 3. Obstetrics (Pathological) and diseases of women and children. 4. Hygiene. 5. General and special Pathology. 6. Medical Jurisprudence. 7. Medical Psychology. 3, That in awarding the Faculty and Starr medals the comparative value of the various subjects be estimated according to the following schedules : First Examination-. Anatomy 200 Physiology 200 Biology 200 Chemistry 200 Physics '. 100 Total 900 Second ExA'iiNArioN. Anatomy 300 Physiology . . 300 Embryology ar, 1 Histology 200 Chemistry 200 Mrtteria Medica and Pharmacy 100 Total 1,100 Third Examination. Medicine and Clinical Medicine 200 Surgery and Clinical Surgery 200 Topographical Anatomy 100 Obstetrics (Physiological) 100 Therapeutics TOO General Pathology 100 Total 800 I ;« 61 Fourth Examination. Medicine and Clinicul Medicine 200 Surgery and Clinical Surgery 200 Oh8tetric8 ( Pathological) and diseHseH of women and children 200 Medical Jurisprudence 100 Hygiene 100 Pathology 150 Medical Psychology 50 Total l.OOa 4. That to the list of the subjects one which the Starr medals are awarded there be added Embryology of the Second and Pathology of the Fourth examination. Countersigned. Vice-Chancellor, (Sgd) JAMES 15REBNF.R, (Sgd.) \VM. MULOCK. Registrar. \re value of the 200 200 200 200 100 900 . 300 . 300 . 200 . 200 . 100 1,100 200 200 100 100 TOO 100 800 Univbrsity op Toronto, Registrar's Ofkice, March 30, 1893. Hon. J. M. GiHSON, Provincial Secretary, Toronto. Sir, — I am instructed by the Council of the University of Toronto to transmit the following report to you for the Government. The Council recommend that there be separate representation of the Arts and Medical Faculties, according to the following scheme : (1) Three representatives of the Arts Faculty to be elected by the Arts Faculty in rotation according to seniority. (2) Two representatives of the Medical Faculty, one of whom shall be the dean for the time being, the other chosen E. H. C. by election, such representation to exist during the lite of the Senate, and ir such election members of the Faculty who are also members of the Faculty of Arts shall not be eligible for appointments. 1 have the honor to be, Sir, Your obedient servant, (Sgd.) JAMES BREBNER. I • Toronto, 7th Apiil, 1893. Mv De'K SiR; — I am directed by the Honourable the Minister of Education to acknowledge the receipt of your letter of the 30th ultimo, covering a copy of a report of the University of Toronto respecting separate representation of the Arts and Medical Faculties on the University Council. Yours truly, (Sgd.) HENRY R. ALLEY. James Bkebner, Esq., Registrar University, City. r.2 EXTHACTS FKOM THE MiNUTKS OK THE SeNATK OK THE UNIVERSITY OP TOKONTO. April 2!), 1892. Enfiuiries madn by Mr. Houston : T. Has the former sito of Wycliffe CoIIoro or the land lying between that site and College stre((t, or any portion of either, been leased or sold for hospital purposed. II. If so, to whom has the land been conveyed? When was the conveyance exe- cuted ? Wliat is the consideration in the deed of conveyance ? III. What is the Bursar's estinmte of the |>rescnt value of the land so conveyed. Answers to the above ((uestions as given in a copy of the Minutes of the Board of Trustees, furnished by the Huraar and certified by him. University Park Lots 7. 10. " 8. 9. The Bursar reports as follows : 1. That on the tenth March, 1887, the following Board Minute appears : Letter from the Minister of Education was read at the meeting of the Board of Trustees, asking Board to defer consideration of application of parties to lease lots on College street in front of Wycliffe College. 2. That on the 4th January, 1890, lots 8 and 9, fronting on College street, were leased to the trustees of the Park Hospital for 999 }t!ar«, for the said hospital and edu- cational purposes only, yielding and paying therefor yearly during the said term by way of rent such moneys as the Senate may from time to time require to be paid by students for the privilege of attending said Hospital for educational purposes, on the following conditions : (a) That the said hereafter demised lands (8 and 9), and also certain other lands, formerly leased by the Bursar to the P. E. Div. School Corporation, being lots numbers 7 and 10, according to a plan of a sub-division of part of the University Park, filed in the Registry Office of the City of Toronto ad Plan D. 18, which said k.iso and the term thereby demised have been assigned to the said the trustees of the Park Hosjntal, should be held and used by the said the Park Hospital Trustees only for hospital purposes and for such educational purposes in connection therewith and with the medicil facuky of the University of Toronto, as the Senate of the said University may from time to time, in that behalf, determine. (6) That Her Majesty, for and on behalf of and as trustee for the said University of Toronto, may from time to time erect and maintain on said lands, notwithstanding the estate therein of the Park Hospital Trustees, such building or buildings as may be deemed necessary by the Senate of the University of Toronto for educational pui-po ses in con- nection with the said hospital, and for such purposes may use, occupy and enjoy the same. (c) That no building or buildings shall at any time hereafter be erected by the lessees upon the said demised or other lands without the approval fir-st had and obtained of the Senate of the University of Toronto. ((I) That the successors of the trustees of the said the Park Hospital Trustees shall from time to time be appointed by the Senate of the University of Toronto in accordance with the provisions of such statute or statutes as the Senate may from time to time encact. :U i 6:i TOKONTO. \pril '2<), 1892. I that site and nirpoaed. lonvoyance exe- 80 conveyed. jf the Board of Bars ; if the Board of to lease lota on ege street, were ospital and edu- lid term by way )aid by studenta n the following lin other lands, y lots numbers 7 Park, tiled in the ) and the term Hospital, should al purposes and edicil faculty of am time to time, aid University of withstanding the ! may be deemed »u"'poaes in con- pv and enjoy the )e erected by the bad and obtained tal Trustees shall nto in accordance rom time to time 3. The Bursar reports that on the fourth day of January, 1890, the following papeni, viz.: Lease of lots 8 and '.» to the Iruotet's of the Park Hospital, and lease of limd on south side lloskin avenue, to Protestant-Kpiscopal Divinity Hchool or Wycliffti OoUoge, were presented to him for execution, and asuignnient of lease of lots 7 and 10 by the Protestant-Episcopiii Divinity School Corporation to trustees of Park Hospital for assent by the solicitor for the University, who stated that he came at the request of the Vice- Chancellor, That the papers referred to had previously received the approval of the Minister of Education as si^nitied by the usual memo., as follows : Approved, (Sgd.) GEO. W. ROSS, Minister of Education. That thereon the Bursar executed them, and after entering the fact of their execution in the " Sual Book " they were taken away by the solicitor. 4. That the duplicate original of lease of lots 8 and 9 to the trustees of the Park Hos- pital was returned to the Bursar by the Solicitor on the 23rd day of October, A.D. 1891. That lease of land on south side of Hoskin avenue to Prote.ttant- Episcopal Divinity School Corporation was returned to the Bursar on the 28th April, 1892. 5. That the arrangements which resulted in the execution of these papers were never submitted to the Board for its consideration. 6. That on the 9th January, 1890, the following appears on the Minutes of the Board. " University Park. | Lots 8 and 9, '• Lease to Paik Hospital. — Approved. " 7 " 10. j Assignment of lease of Protestant- | Episcopal Divinity School to Park - Approved. Hospital Trustees. ) Land south of Hoskin avenue. Lease to Wycliffe College of one acre. — Approved." 7. That the documents themselves were not then or at any time submitted to the Board. With regard to the value of lots 8 and 9 the Bursar cannot undertake to mak'i an estimate of the present value of the property. ToaoNTO, 10th May, 1892. The Bursar, Simcoe street, Toronto. Sir, — I beg to enclose you a copy of eight questions relating to the addition to the Biological Building, to put at the Senate meeting on Friday next. May 1 beg that you will move the Board to supply me, in so far as it can do so, with the replies ac its earliest convenience, and in time for the meeting. Yours truly. (Enclosed.) (Sgd. J.\MES BEEBNER. (]\ (11 Qufttlimn bfi Mr. Mi'Linn : 1. liaH the Httontion of thti Stumtc or thf Moani of TrusUteH been ciillod to tho printed lett.'t of Dr. W. 15. Ooiki.-, of Nov.-ml.- r :»r(l, IH'.M,* in which lio Htatds that the addition to tho I'.iologirnl Huildinj,', .mmnonly known m i\w Mum-inn Wini{, coniprimm a Modiciil School Huilding, including (li8H(ctin« ronnm ahove and viitH for pri'serving aniitotnical niHtcrial iiclow, and with cIuhh rooniH lor othtT nifdical work hetweon, that tbounh nianift'htly inUuidcd lor medical toachinj; purpoacH, this wan, during conHtruction, a carefully kept Hecret ; and that it iti a tact rcHtinj,' on undouhtiid authority, that even t!'.t (lovornnmnt as such, knew nothing of thime purposes till Home months age, when the buildingH were <*xainine(l after completion ( 2. Whh the Senate or the Hoard conHulted before couHlruction on the Hubject of the designed use of the building,' W'-n; the plans submitted to either the Senate or Hoard 1 Was either the Senate or the Hoard asked to iipprove ot tin- designtsd use I ;}. Did the Senate or the Hoard approve of the plans ! Did the Hoard transmit the plans for the approval of the Senate, or the («overnment, or both ? 4. Did the plans prepared by the University Architect, and submitted to the Hoard or Senate or (iovernment contain any indication of the designed use '! 5. If not, why did not the University Architect insert such indication I 6. What action, if any, did the Senat(! or Hoaid lake, and what information was laid before th(! Hoard or Senate on the occasion of any ajiion '( 7. Was the Hoard, when it took action, aware of the designed use ? 8. If the Hoard was not aware of the designed use, who is responsible for the pre paration of the plans and the proceedings which resulted in the erection of the building. by tl] tivc iniiiii be se [Oopy.l ToKONTo, 11th May, 1892. My Dkak Sill, — I notice in the repoiL .;f the last meeting of the Senate a refer- ence to the lease of certain lands on Oollege avenue to the Park Hospital Trust. Wh >i\ that lease was approved it was on the representation that the matter was one of great urgency and that upon the promptness with which action was taken depended the gift of .$100,000 from the late Senator Macdonald who wan then lying at the point of death, and also because I was led to believe the terms of the proposed lease hid been previously' agreed to by the Trustees of the University. If in approving of such lease etlect was given to the transfer of property which the Trustees did not intend to transfer, 1 shall ri one of groaD ided the gift lint of death, jn previously' perty which i^ed, to con- involved, to n-ation of all idice to any r any repro- ve ROSS. Oopy of the regoliition paBHod by tho Kxuuutivn Oommittee of University College Alumni Association, mentioned in the minuten of the Semite for May l.'Uh, 1H92 : "That in view of the serioiiH (Inaiiciiil Iosh to the IJiiiveiHity, which has been occiiHioni'd by tho alienation of lots H and 9 on (.'ollege street to the I'urk liospitai TruHlees, the Kxccu- tivo OoHUiiittee of the UniverHity College Alumni Association n ([uest the SHiiale to take immediate Ht.'|m to secure the n'storation of the property, and that copies of the rosclution bo sent to the Senate and Minister of Education." EXTKACTS I'KOM TIIR .\ri\(rrKH OP TIIK SkNATE OF TIIK UnIVKRhITY OP ToHONTO Enquiries hi/ ,]fr. Hounlon : May 13th, 1892 1 . Where are the meetings of the Trustoes of the Park 1 lospital held ? 2. Is the University lUirKar the Secretary of the Ifospital Hoard ( 3. Is the University Solicitor the Solicitor of tho I'ark 1 lospital ! 4. Who are tho Park Hospital TrusteeH ] f). Is the becjuest of ;ft)0,000 to the Par . Hospital by tho late Senator Macdonald charged on his real estate I 1 )id he die within nix months of the date of his will ? Is the beiiuest valid or void under th(^ Mortmain Acts 1 These (Miquiries were sent to the Hursiir and to the Solicitor of tin.' University, whose replies are as follows : — Jamks Hukhnku, Esc] , Assistant- Itegistrar, University of Toronto. Dear Sih, — In reply to your letter of the 19ih inst , enclo.sing copy of i|U(',slions relat- ing to tho Park Hoi?pital, to be put at the Senate meeting, and asked for replies to (juestions 1, 2, and 4, I beg to transmit herewith the answers of the Hoard to the ([uestions d(!signated. In the same connection I he^^ to stkt.^, lor tho information of the Senate, that at tho meeting of the Hoard yesterday there was read the following copy of a minute rf the Park Hospital trustees passed at a meeting of the trustees on tho 7th inst. " Moved by Dr. Hoskin and resolved, That a commitleo consisting of the chairman and Dr. Hoskin be and hereby Hre appointfld to confer with the Minister of Education and the trustees of the Univfirsity and the Senate to se(i whether arrangements can be made for the substitution, for Park Hospital purposes, of other lands in litiu of a portion of the lots in front of WyclifTo College." The Board, at their meeting yesterday, appointelic, to whom it was intended to appeal for assistance, might erroneously assume that the hospital was to be of a quasi-private character, and this view I made known to Senator Macdonald. On the 15th of November, 1H87, he wrote, informing me of his havi-'g concluded to abandon his own wish in regard to the name of the institution, but which change would not affect his original offer of $40,000 towards the proposed hospital, and enclosing a draft agreement showing his original views. This letter, with the draft agreement, I submitted to the University Board of Trustees at their meeting held on the 18th of November, 1887, and the following minutes of the Board set forth the action of the Board in regard thereto : " On motion of Mr. Hoskin, seconded by Mr. Justice Patterson, the following reso- lution was unanimously ado;'*:ed : " Resolved — That the Trustees of the University of Toronto gratefully acknowledge on behalf of the citizens of Toronto, as well as the University, the gift of $40,000 from the Honorable John Macdonald as a generous contribution towards the extension of hospital accommodation, the necessity for which is a consequence of the growth of this city, the advancement of medical science and the promotion of thorough and practical medical education. " The Trustees concur with Mr. Macdonald in the hope that the project thus initi- ated will result in the establishment of an institution which will from the first be worthy of its location in the city of Toronto, and equal in all respects to the best institutions on this continent. They share his confidence that there will he found among our citizens both the ability and the will to contribute the remainder of the funds necessary to suc- cessfully accomplish his benevolent and patriotic object, and they agree with him that the amount provide d for the building and equipment of the hospital should be at the least $150,000. " To provide for the erection and management of the hospital the trustees propose to act upon a suggestion of Mr, Macdonald by arranging for the appointment of a commit- tee of citizens in whom, as a corporation, the property shall be vested, and subject to whose control the work of the hospital shall be carried on. " The Trustees desire to convey to Mr. Macdonald the assurance of their sincere hope that although the generous motive to secure the successes of the institution has led him to withdraw his original suggestion that his daughter's name should be associated with it, he may have the gratification of seeing her earnest wish fulfilled by the hospital not only proving in an eminent degree a blessing to the afflicted, but also materially contributing to the advancement of medical science. "Ordered that the draft agreement and letter above set forth be filed in this office until the Hospital Trustees have completed their work of organization, and thereupon the agreement and letter be placed in their custody, and form part of the records jhowing the history and origin of the proposed hospital." From the perusal of the draft agreement and letter and the resolution in question, the Senate will understand that the iJoard of Trustees accepted Mr, Macdonald's pro- posed gift on the terms, amongst others, that the University was to provide the site, and agreed, as suggested by him, to arrange for the appointment of a committee of citizens, in whom, as a corporation, the property should be vested, etc. At this stage, one of the questions to determine was the name. A member of the Board suggested that of " The Park Hospital," because of the proposed location. This seemed to meet with general approval and shortly thereafter the un lertaking of the Board, to being incc These TrJ Frank Sm| The Hon. Boyd, Ge^ Daniel W Mulock. Gzowski, I mai the followl " Thf| Senate of statutes lit FronJ control ovi and in thi if the Trv On t Trustees, others the "Mo take the c "Mo Smith be " Mo Mulock b " Mo permanent " INIo urer of th " Mo aid and tl Iha^ origin of ' it was en I Whe Senator ' remonsta • particula amongst that the : 1 wi been iuf( other pM to satistj about tl examini Bro' "ly f. ■:.(■ .'^ -ri:,,- i.o ■ m ver progress 75 cal science in ■ a site for tlie an of the Ijuil- Je called " The Uees, carefully whom it was ital was to be onald. concluded to change would ilosing a draft iity Board of )wing minutes oil owing reso- acknowledge N0,000 from extension of rowth of this and practical set thus initi- rst be worthy istitutions on ; our citizens Jsary to suc- ith him that at the least 58 propose to >f a commit- 1 subject to heir sincere tion has led iciated with tal not only iontributing n this office Jreupon the bowing the n question, •naid's pro- if^ site, and citizens, in ber of the ion. This ■ng of tha Hon. John Macdonald, The IfoD. " mry Cawthra, Jamos Orowther, i'Ju'. 9 O'lvPefe, The Hon. J. A. ski 3. Osier, Donald McKav, H. ( pbell, A. B. Loe, and W. Board, to arrange for incorporation, was made good by a number of prominent citizens bf'ing incorporated und^r the General Act for the purpose of carrying out the project. These Trustees were the following, namely — The Frank Smith, William Christie, George Gooderliain, The Hon. C. S. Patterson, James Scott, John Iloskii Boyd, George A. Cox, Larratt W. Smith, Col. G/o Daniel Wilson, The Hon. W. G. Falconbridge, A Mulock. Eight of the number, namely — Mess^-h C.^'ibtie, Patterson, Hoskin, Smitli. Gzowaki, Wilson, Campbell and my.self, being al.; m.'m .n-s of the Univernity Board. I may here s^ate that the declaration of i \cor! .-ation contained, amongst others, the following provision : — "The successors of the said Trustees shai : -.i time to time be appointed by the Senate of the University ol' Toronto in accordance with the provision.s of such statute or statutes as the Senate may from time to time enact." From the quoted provision of the charter the Senate will observe that it has full control over the personnel from time to time composing the Board of Hospital Tiustee?, and in this way can always secure effict being given to its views, almost as completely as if the Trustees were a mere committee of the Senate. On the first of December, 1887, was held the tirst meeting of the Board of Hospital Trustees, fifteen members of the board being present, and the minutes show amongst others the following proceedings : — "Moved by Mr. Hoskin, seconded ^y Hon. John Macdonald, that Geo. A, Cox do take the chair." Carried. " Moved by Mr. Hoskin, seconded by Hon. John Macdonald, that J. E. Berkeley Smith be Secretary." Carried. " Moved by Hon. John Macdonald, seconded by Mr. Hoskin, that Mr. William Mulock be the permanent chairman of this board." Carried unanimously. "Moved by Mr. Hoskin, seconded by Mr. Campl)ell, that Mr. Berkeley Smith be permanent secretary of tins board." Carried. " Moved by Mr. Hoskin, seconded by Mr. McKay, that Mr. James Scott be Treas- urer of this Board." Carried. " Moved by Mr. Hoskin, seconded by Mr. Osier, that Dr. Wilson, Senator Macdon- ald and the chairman, be a committee to prepare prospectus for the public." I have given the foregoing particulars that the Senate may know the history of the origin of the Park Hospital Trust, its organization and its object, and the extent to which it was endorsed by the University Board. When the resolution of the University Board, connected with the pioposed gift of Senator Macdonald was given to the press, there arose in various influential quarters remonstances against the establishment of a hospital in the park. At this period no particular spot in the park had been decided upon, but there was a very general outcry amongst the residents of the Park and vicinity against the proposal. The result was that the movement was for the time paralyzed. 1 was extremely desirous that the hospital scheme should injure no one, and having been informed that hospitals were found in cloj^e proximity to valuable residential and other properties in cities in the United States, I determined tovisit these places in order to satisfy myself as to whether such objections were well founded, and accordingly I did about the end of December, 1887, in company with others, make such inspection, examining some twenty leading hospitals with their surroundings in Boston, New York, Bro' ' lyn, Philadelphia and Baltimore, and came to the conclusion that there was no sv- uial ground for any such objection. This view I communicated to various f- ' g persons, but without the desired eifect of wholly lemoving the objections, which i iu .', iay were at that time also entertained by a few of the hospital trustees, one member ,;f i;,, far as to inform me that 1 intended to endeavoi' to secure the passage of a r?f some special ronsidoralion in n^ard to the College Street lots. I have not had an opportunity i)f refresliiii-; my memory 1)> reading the correspondence on the suliji'ct, so that I speak sul'joct to correetion as to the 1 :iecis(^ riature of the contention, l)ut it was one that the University Board was not pre- pared to assent to. The issue, however, so far as the University l5oard was concerned, was terminated hy a connnunicalion from, I think, the .Minister of Education to the Hoard, requesting the Board not to lease these lots, or to some such eH'ect. I do not speak with positiveness as to the tenor of this letter, not having 8ducational pur- poses connected with the University. The price pUced by Wyclille on their property was $60,00(1. Mr. Macdonald was unwilling to purchase at this price. Hence another considerable delay. The proposal as to the site 111. ally selected was known to many prominent University men, and 1 am not ».ware of liaving ever heard one objection to it. Un the contrary, during the very con- siderable delay that occurred before it was acted upon, I was urged by more than any prominent member of the University Board to press ir, to a completion. This 1 could not do, for the reason that the Wycliff'e authorities and Mr. Macdonald had not agreed as to price. It was well known at the Univcjrsity Board that this offer of WyclilFe's was open for acceptance, and the delay was at times referred to, and [ think always with regret. During this period the attitude of the University Board towards the proposal was one of general approval. There was no action for the Board to take, as everything de- pended on Senator Macdonald and WycliHe coining to an agreement. Thus matters remained until I received an intimation that Scmator Macdonald was 8eriov>.sly ill, and desired to see nie. Accordingly, the next morning b dug the 1st of January, 1890, I called upon him and was shown to his bed-room. He there informed me that he had been dangerously ill, and though then apparently better, that, he was in a most precarious state of health, that during the crisis through which he had been pass- ing, his mind had continually dwelt upon his uncompleted promise made to his dying daughter, to contribute towards the founding of a hospital, the share in his estate which she would have received if she hud survived him, and he had concluded to agree to the price placed on Wyclille College property rather than risk further delay, and as soon as he felt able he would endeavor to place the 8-10,000 forthwith at the disposal of the Trust, when he hoped I would press the matter to a conclusion without further delay. He reminded ine that he intended, as he had often told me before, to increase the amount by his will, and impressed me with the intensity of iiis anxiety for the eirliest possible completion of the purchase, and with th^; danger arising from delay, concluding his reftsrence to the condition of his health by informing nie, to use almost his own words, thftt he f to whom soon as h I would He tliat ove ih( re b(^ Thu not a iiH appoarec versiiv a I h( IHDO, w funeral ( aid's soi the son I was out consequi finances to ass I in possi'ile That da him the the ftino ter wou 77 inforniallv old Wydifl'e lit^ic Hiiy that 'gc Strt'«'t lots, tandinj,' at the III in ri attitude of was pf posed leasehold pro- site by contri- )ollei;e Street, •ovided in its y in the intcr- ard to the two ceded that an i by the Uni- ■ased any pm- it it would be iicational pui-- acdonald was 10 proposal as and I am not the very con- 3r(! than any is 1 could not aijfreed as to fe's was open ifith regret, proposal was verythiiig de- icdonald was g the 1st of ere informed ir. he was in id been pasis- to his dyins; estaie which ajijree to the d as soon as of the Trust, ay. increase the the earliest ', concluding s own words. that lie felt that there was a very narrow border land separatine; him from his danj^bler, to whom on her d«ath bed he had niade the promise in qu<8tioii. I assured him that as soon as he advised me that tlie cash payment of .•iition of certain pro- perty wbich has b. -n under negotiati)n for that purpose, the property being what is com- monly known as Wycliife College property, north of College ctreet, and the iota between that property and College Street. I accordingly instructed our solicitor to place himself in communication with the solicitor for Wycliil'e College people and the bursar of the University, with a view to completing ai i .ngements. That on Saturday the 4th instant, the solicitor informed me that he iiud all the neces.sary papers completed for tiio transfer to the Park Trust, of the Wycliil'e College property and the lots in question, and that the matter only now remained to be closid by the foi'ual execution of the papers and payment of the purchase money. Accordingly I attended on the Minister of Education, who with me, attended at the solicitor's office, examined tin; various documents, and signified his approval thereto by the necessary endorsement thereon. Thereupon 1 notified Mr. James Scott, Treasurer of this Trust, who having also approved of the proceedings, accompanied 7S I Mh' k ilicitoM, tliM MiniHtcr of K(lu( ition ivud myself, to tlio warnliDUHn of the llonor.ilil,. .loliii MucfJonuM, utnl Jicn* w« received i>.t tho IiiiikIh of liis hou, J. 1\ Miiciloiiiild, n «rli.M|U(i for !3llO,(»()(), to 1m' iipplicd on acco'int of tlxi iiurcliiisn luoiioy, ??20,000 to he piid OJi 'ir Ixffore tlie lut of May next. TliiH oh('i|iie I cridoised to tl»(< order of tlie noiniiiiun Hmk, to l.o pl.iced there to the credit of this Trust, and delivered it to our TreuHnivr, M'. Hcolt, who iiniiiediivtely opened an account in th« Imiik in (jiestioii. and deposited tlie same there. Iniini^diately thereafter, Mr, Scott, Mr, Macdonahl and '.'VHelf, toj^ether with Mr, HoyleH, Holicitor for Wyclilln Oolh^^e, proceeded to (!olonol (J/owski's residence, whtue tlio ni cessary papers to he executeij hy Wyclifle C'olie^e (Jorporatioii were ho executed, and the 1^10,000 paid ovtir to ( olonel (i/owski. On Monday thereafter I notilied tlie Hecre- tary to call a niei'tinK of the Park Hospital TrustiMss witli a view to my reportinj^ the wholrt of thes** proueedini{s to the lioard, which I now therefor do, an(l trust that tho course which F have taken may meet witli ratilication at tho hands of tlie Hoard, In explanation of my not havin;,' ci)nHult<'(l the Hoard at every Htatjo in these details, I hej» to state tfiat the course pursued was adopted in consiMjuonco of tho views entertained hy the few persons whose ahsoluto concurrence was necessary, namely, that there was danger of tho matter receivini,' puhlicity which mif^ht, perhaps, endanj»er the carryini,' out of the scheme, or at least delay it ; and such delay, owin;{ to Si iiator Macdonald's (h^iicate heiilth, mi^ht defeat tho undertakiu;^'. Under these circumstances I did not venture to aKKume the responsihility of takint; any course that mi;,dit lead to such (h'foat, and there- fore nlFer this as my explanation for not having,' ohtained previous authority for«ni'ry step taken. Herewith I enclose assi^nmer''. of lease from Wyclilh^ College to your Hoard of Trus- tees. Also lease from the hursar o the Hoard of Trustees of the College Street lots. Also agreement hetween Wyclill'e Colege and your Hoard, covering certain details still to he cairied out in connection with the transfer, and would ask that the seal of your Board he affixed to the.se documents, and that they he duly executed and delivered. I have the honor to he Your ohedient servant, (Sgd.) W. MULOOK. Dated at Toronto, (his 7th day of January, A, D. 1890. The report of the Chairman was adopted. The memhers present at this meeting were Sir Daniel Wilson, Dr. Hoskin, Larratt W. Smith, James Scott, and myself, all memhers of the University Board as well, Tho solicitor and secretary were also puscmt. Tho Board then adopted my report and passed the following resolution and minutes : — Moved hy Dr. Smith, seconded hy Dr. Iloskin, "That tho seal, the impression of which is in the margin of this resolution, he the corporate seal of the Trustees of the Park Hospital." Carried. Moved by James Scott, Esq., seconded hy Sir Daniel Wilson, " That the President of the Park Hospital Trustees Vje authorized to affix tho seal of this corporation to the agreement for the purchase of the leasehold property and buildings thereon of WycliHe College or the Protestant Episcopal Divinity School Corporation, and also to the assign- ment to the Park Hospital Trustees of the leasehold premises and buildings thereof as aforesaid, and also to the lease from the Crown to the Park Hospital Trustees of lots 8 and 9, according to plan ' D 18 ' registered in the registry office for the city of Toronto," Carried. " In pursuance of the foregoing resolution the President affixed the corporate seal to the necessary papers." Therefore the Board passed the following resolution : — Moved by Sir Daniel Wilson, seconded by Dr. Larratt W. Smith, "That the Trus- tees of the Park Hospital thankfully acknowledge the receipt of $40,C00 from the Honor- ahle John of hospit-i science initiated respects U pate a re an early < niellt, he city, ill t blessing t( At t the Univi course, an endorseil Two Univtfrsit Larratt \ said Unise uiinutt! of tilt' llotioniMi) Macdotmid, u )00 to 1)(. |, ii,| Hill Doiiiiiiiiui our Trcuaiirir, mid deposited lior wiili Mr, iico, whf'm tlio nxfcuUfd, and lii'd the Hccn ■ rnportinx t^'"' truHt tliat tho t' lliii Hoard. it)H(! dotailw, I 8 tfiitcrtiiined lat tliori! was carryiiii,' out lald'H d(!licatn ot voiiture to at, and tliorc- for (U'cry Htep oard of Trug- Htrt'ot lotB. II df!tailu still Heal of your livcred. )K. kin, Larratt H well. Tho t and passed iif>rcssion of istees of the •le President ation to the of Wyclilfe ) the uHsign- a thereof as es of lots 8 )f Toronto." rporate seal It the Trus- the Honor- { at'li' John MacduiiuUl, \mim IiIh tnuiiiticent gitt towardii ihe exteUHioa and iiii|novtMiient of liof^pital acooimiiodation in thn (Jity of Toronto, ami for the furtheraiioH of medical Hcii!U'«i The TnihtefH concur with .Mr. Maocjonald in the hope that the project thus iiiitiiitcd will leHuli in the t-Htabli^hnii'iil of an iiiHtitution which will prove equal in all respects to the best institution of the kind on this contintMit. They conlidfntly antioi- pate a ready response from a f^t-ncrous public, whereby thti proposed institulion shall, at an early date, be thoroughly etiuippi'd for the carrying on of tne object of its estal)lish- lilt lit, fueling assured that situate, as it will It., in the heart ol this great and growing city, in the chiet Province in our Dominion, it will prove through long generations a blessing to our people." Carried. At this mitetiiig, in addition to the formal approval of my scheme, one memlier of ihe University Hoard (also member of our Senate), sjioke in the warmest terms of my course, and as a University man thanked me for what I had done, and his remarks were entlorHeil by all present. Two days later, namely, on tho Oth of Janumy, IS'JO, was held a meeting of the University Hoard of Trustees, at which were present, Sir Daniel Wilson, Dr. Koskin, Liirratt W. Smith, James Scott, Sir Casinir (izowski, Mr. Christie, and myself, wlum tho said Uiiise and othiir ilocuinents were unani.nously approved of. The following ii tho minute of the Board : " University Park, lots 8 and 9, lease to Park Ilo.spital Trustees." Approved. " University lots 7 and 10, assignment of lease ProtostantEpiHcopal Divinity School to Park Hospital Trustees." Approved. " t,and south of Hoskin Avenue, lease to Wycliffe Oollege, one aore " Approved. It may bo observed that live of the Trustees present at thi.i meeting were present at tho mooting of the Park Hospital Trustees, when my report was read and approved of, and I was directed to execute the papers. I now bog to direct the attention of tho Senate to some of the pro . 'sion^ of the lease, which, f think, show that tho interests of tho University have boon carefully con- sidered. The lease provides that " These two lots (along with the VVycliire Oollege lotsj), 81 lid be held for hospital purposes and for such educational purposes in connection thei ewitli and with tho Medical Faculty of tho University of Toronto as the Senate of the Siiid University may from time to time in that behalf determine. " That Her Majesty, for and on behalf of and as trustee for the said University of Toronto, may from time to time erect and maintain on said lands, notwithstanding the estate therein of the Park Hospital Trustees, such buildinei; or ouildings as may be deemed necessary by the Senate of tho University of TorontK i'ot '"'uocifcional purposes in connection with the said Hospital, and for such purposes may uso, occupy, v-nd enjoy the same." " That no building or buildings shall at any time heri"it'tt:r be erected •) tie Lessees upon the said demised lands or other lands, without th • aj iiro/al Hrst [v\:\ t. id obtained of the Senate of the University of Toronto." "That the successors of the Trustees of the said P.i.k Hospital shill from time to time be appointed by the Senate of the University of Tor(t,'t, the advancement of education in its broadest sense. I am, Yours respectfully, ToHONK., ;ilst May, 180i'. WM. MULOCK, Vice- Chan eel lor. P. 8. — t wrote the foregoing letter for submission to you in connection with the motion of Mr. Houston toucliing the Park Hospital, not btung then aware that he had lecently given notice of motion for to-night, in regard to the addition to the IJiological Building. Thanking him for affording me (his opportunity of addressing you on the latter (|uestion as well, I would say tlu\t I understand the following points are sought to be made in connection with the latter matter. 1st. That the rough sketch plan of March, ISSD, showed proposed accommodation tor the Department of Minerp.iogy and (Jeology, whilst the new plans, approved of in October tlK^reafter, made no provision tlnTefor. It is (piite correct that there was a change in the proposed use to which the building was to by he woukl be able to relii;vo the University of the whole or nearly the whole of the expense of the Depirtment. He 6—51 ij 82 told me hf! intended to esta})li8h a Scliool of Mines, to nmko provision therein for Miner- alogy and As.saying, and to transfer Mineralogy and Assaying from the University to the school, and to that extent, at least, to relieve the University of any expense in respect to Mineralogy and Assaying. As to (Jeology, he indicated a course which, if adopted, would also relieve the University of any expense in connection with Geology. Whilst, therefore, I have no actual recollection of having given inHtructions for the ahandonnn^nt of the original idea of providing for Mineralogy and (Jeology in the pro- posed addition, \ have not the slightest iloubt that J did so, in consequence of the Minis- ter's intentions in regard thereto. 2nd. The next point is, I understand, the {.-nission from the plans of names showini; that it was projiosed to use the top flat for dis.seetingroom, bone-rootn, and to make other provision in the building for nii/'tliig the recpiirements of the Medical Faculty. It is (juite correct that no such names appeared on tlu! plans, and were omitted by my instructions, and for the reasons stated by the architect in his answer, set forth as follows, and what I have below added. His explanation is as follows : " I was inHtruct<;d not to put names in the rooms used for anatomical purposes because, as \ understood, of tiie possibility of objection being made by residents in th<' neighborhood, such po.ssibility being indicated by the opposition to the proposal to convert Wycliffe College old building into an hospital." When, in November, 1887, we gave to the public full i)articulars as to the proposed hospital scheme, I did not expect opposition thereto in the interest of a rival school, but I soon learned that. Dr. Geikie was busying himself against it, even going so far as to seek to interfere with Senator Macdonald's own intentions, and this J know both from what th(^ Senator told me and from what 1 myself learned during a discussion on the subject between ilie Senator and Dr. (Jeikie in my presence. From various circumstances, I was compelled to come to the conclusion that he was stirring up oppo.sition to the ho.spital. Wh(!n, thiTcfore, it was po.ssibie to raise so much oppo.sition to tlu! Hospital Scheme, I felt that were Dr. ( ieikie to be aware that it was in contemplation to provide any accom- modation for the Medical Faculty, he would seize holo of the dissecting-room feature and use it with the public with increased elFect. I h;id already seen the Hospiiai Scheme 'wrought to a standstill, and for no valid sound reason, and feared the same result in regan^ to the proposal touching the .Medical Faculty, if we followed the course pursued in n gard to the Hospital, by making it public. For y(ars we had encountered Dr. Geikie's ccntinued opposition to our efforts to advance the cause cf Medical Science. I regarded tJio action of the Legislature and the Senate in re-establisidng the Faculty of IMedicine as carrying with it the obligation to provide facilities for tli^, maintenance of the Faculty so brought into existence. I never imagined that the ground would bi^ taken that no assistance was to l)e given to Medical Science, and certaiidy in University circles such an attitude was never assumed until after the completion of the building in (juestion. During the whole period, therefore, whilst 1 was engage(' in giving much time and anxious consideraiion to the carrying out of what I believed to be the policy of the Uni- versity, to place the Medical Faculty on such a footing as would enable it to fulfil tin; object which the Senate had in view when establishing it, it never occurred to mo that there existed, and I do not think that there did exist in University circles, any opposition to such policy. ()n the contrary, .so fully did I feel that the University policy was to give reisonable aid to Medical Science that on more than one public occasion I did, in addressing olHcial University meetings, refer with approval to such policy, believing that in doing so 1 was but voicing the general .sentiments of the; University authorities on the subject. Therefore, in observing caution in tiie carrying out of the work in (piestion, my Hole object was ^o protect the University from hostile or adver.s(« iiction from without, not expecting an ..t^'ck from within, where I believed we were all of one mind in favor of the policy and the special undertaking in question. As tol was an aft] cerned, thl Believing order to itl contentioif ions than A tnl P. S. HouKionVl given noil Thanking! as well, 1 connectioi First for the d. October t in the pr^ doubt th( The the (lepar versity oi he intent Assaying and to thi and A' the top Hit for dessocting room, bone room e';c., and to make other provision in the building for nn'eting the reciuirements of the Medical Faculty. It is (juite correct that no such names appeared on the plans, and were omitted by my instructions, and tor the reason stated by the Architect in his answer set forth as fol- lows, and what 1 l.ave below added. His explanation is as follows : I was instructed not to put names in the rooms used for anatomical purposes because as 1 understood, of the possibility of objection being made t)y residents in the neighbour- hood, such possibility being indicated by the opposition to the proposal to covert Wyclifie College old building into an hos])ital. When in November hSST, we gave to the public, the full particulars as to the pro- posed hospital scheme, I did not exp(^ct opposition th''ret<> in the interest of a rival school, but I soon learned that Dr. (Jiukie was busying himself against it, even going so fir as to seek to inte: fere with Senator Macdonald's own intentions and this I know both from what the Senator told me and from what f myself learned during a discussion on the subject between the Senator and Dr. Ueikie in my presence. From various circumstances 1 was compelled to come to the conclusion that he was stirring up opposition to the hospital. 84 Wlicn therefore it wjih possible to raise so much op|)ositipii to the hospital scheme, 1 felt tliat wen; Dr. Geikie to be aware that it was iti coiiteiiipiation to |)rovide any aceommod ttion for the Medical Faculty, he would seize hold of tha dissecting toom feature and use it with the public witli increased ( (feet, 1 had air(^\dyseen the hospital sch(ime brouj^lit to a standstill anrl lor no valid sound reason, and fean d the same result in regard to tlie proposal touchinj,' ilie .Medical Faculty if wf followed th"i Profes- •f- Wright assisted the architect in the preparation of the plans and that Prof. Wright is in no way responsible far any ([ueKtiim of policy in connection therewith, such as the assignment of accommodation for mediciil reaching purpo.^es, the omission of name.s from the plans indicating liie purposes for which certain uf the loonis were intended, or the like. f am, Yours respectfnlly, (Sgd.) W. MITLOCK. E.XTUACT KUOM 'llIK .MiXUTKS 01' lilH SlCVATK OF TIIK fjNIVKIiSITY OK ToHoNTO. June .'.rd, 1^92. Moved by Mr. Houston, s(!ConJed by J'rof. Loudon that a special Committee con- sisting of Prof. (Tiilbraith, Mr. Ay les worth, Dr. McLaren, Or Oameron and Mr. iiouston Ite appointed with instructions to in(iuiro into and re])ort on the conveyance of two lots on College .street, to the Trustees of the propos'd Park Hospital, as set forth in the Bursar's report laid before the Senate at its me. ting li^ld on the 29th April, nit., and also to report wlietlier it is expedient to take any steps ^'^il;h a view to the restoration of the said lots io the control of the University. Mov( (1 in amendment by Chancellor Boyd, seconded by Prof. Cameron, the words after that be left out and the following inserted th it 'le referred to a special committee con'istingof the ('hancellor, the Vice-Chancellor Mess, fr-ilbiaith, Cameron, McLaren, Ayh)8wu;'th and Houston to report as to the 1" steps to be taken with nierence to the Park Hospital scheme in its connection wit' ae University. With the conHent of the seconder and leave from the Semite, Chan, i d withdrew this motion. It was tlien moved in amendment to the nmia motion by Dr. Burwash, seconded by Father Teefy, to leave out all the words alt»'r ttt and to insert the following. The Senate has heard witli great satisfaction the ' . inatious made by Mr. Mulock, touching the establishnunt of the Park Hospital an'' addition to the Biological Laboratory and desires to place upon record appreciatio . his action in connection therewith, and its continued conHdence in him as Vice Ohii ei.or of the University. Moved in amendment to the amendment by Mr. Houston, seconded by Prof, (lal- braith. That all the words after "that" ^vh re it first occurs in the amendment be omitted and the following inserted instead thcr of, " While there is no reason to doubt that the Vice-Ohancellor in his action with respect to the lease of the College St. lots to the Park Hospital Trustees and the erection of the addition to the Biological Build- ing was actuated by a desire to promote the interests of the University, this Senate cannot approve of his conduct in neglecting t nsult it on such important matters of academic polii-y. The amendment to th.e amendment was rejected on the following division ; — Ykas. — Prof. Gidbraitli, .Mr. Kmbree, Prof. Hutton, Dr. Ogden, Prof. Loudon, Mr. Houston and filr. McLean. Nays.— Dr. O'Sullivan. Dr. Willmott, The President ; Dr. W. T. Aikens, Prof, R, R. Wright, Mr. Barwick, Dr. McFarlane, Dr. Dewart, Dr. Burwash, Judge Dean, Mr. Mansh, Dr. L. Sntith, Prof. Cameron, Mr Moss, Mr. McMurchy, Justice Falconbridge, Prof. Baker, Mr. King, Mr, Creelman, Dr. Carman, Chan, Boyd, Justice NtcLennan, Father McBrady, Mr. Mills, Mr, Hoyles, Dr. Sheraton, Dr, A. FL Wright, Dr. lleynar, Father Teefy. Tlio amendment was adopted on a division. The main motion as amended was adopted on the following division : — Yeas.— Dr. O'Sullivan, Dr, Willmott, T'he President ; Dr. W. T. Aikens, Prof. R. R. Wright, Mr. liarwick, Dr. McFarlane, Dr. Dewart, Dr. Burwash, Judge Doan, .Mr, ■.t^t-v; :■:?*«;: 80 i;i' % Marsh, Dr. Smith, Prof. Cameron, Mr. M088. McMurchy, Justice Falconbridge, Prof. Baker, Mr. Kins,, Mr. Creelmiin. Chun Boyd, Justice McLennan, Dr. Carman, .Mr. Mills, Father Mclirady, Mr. A. H. Wright, Mr. Hoyles, Dr. Shoraton, Dr. Reynar, Father Teefy. Nay«.— Prof. Ga.l)raith, Mr. Embree, Mr. Houston, Prof. Hutton, Dr. Ogdeu and Prof. TiOiulon. Mr. Ilnuslon then withdrew his motion respecting the Biological Building. The Senate then adjourned. Minute of S.'|>tcmher 30th, 1892. Among correspondence read was a letter fr.im Mr. Dale, Secretary, of the Alumni Association, enclosing a resolution pas.sed by tht^ Alumni Association respecting the ap- pointment of a committee of the Senate to confer with the Committee of the Park Hos- pital Trusteea and Board of Trustees respecting the Park Hospital scheme. The Vice Chancellor asked leave to introduce the following resolution, That it be referred to a committee of Senate composed of Rev. Dr. Burwash, Mr. Hnyles, Rev. Father Teefy, Dr. Caven, Dr. W. T. Aikens, The President ; Dr, Willmolt and Mr. Justice Falconbridge, to consider and report upon any or all matters connected with the erection of the Biological Buildings and the establishment of the Park Hospital, and to make such recommendations touching the same as to the committee may seem proper and that Dr. Burwash be convenor. Objection having been taken it was withdrawn. With the unanminous consent of the Senate on motion of the Vice-Ohancellor the following resolution was adopted, "That it be referred to a Committee of nine members to enquire into and report upon any or all matters connected with the erection of the Biological Buildings and the establishment of the Park Hospital and to make .such recommendation.s touching the same as to the committee may seem proper. Jt was moved by Mr. King that Dr. Burwash, Mr. Hoyles, Rev. Father Teefy, Dr. Caven, Dr. W. T. Aikins, the President, Dr. Willmott, Mr, Justice Falcoubridge and Mr. Houston do constitute the said Committee. It was moved by the President that the Committee be chosen one by one. • It was mov( d tiiat Dr. Burwash be a member of the Committee. — Carried. It was moved that Mr. Hoyles be a member of the Committee. — Carried. It was moved that Father Teefy be a member of the Committee. — Carried. It was moved that Principal Oaven be a member of the Committe. — Carried. It was moved that Dr. W. T. Aikins be a member of the Committee.- -Carried. Moved in amendment by the President that Prof. Cameron's name be substituted for that of Dr. Aikins. — Lo.st on a division. The original motion w;is then adopted. It was moved that the President he a member of the Committee. — Carried. It was moved tiiat Or Willmott be a member of the Committee. — Carried. Moved in Hmendment by tiic President that Mr. Ayieaworth's name bo substituted for that of Dr. VV^illmott.— Lost on a division. Moved in amendment by the President that Prof. Cameron's name be substituted for that of Dr. Willmott. — Lost on a division. The original motion was then adopted It was moved that Mr, Justice Falcoubridge be a member ot the Committee. — Carried. Jt was moved that Mr. Houston be a member of the Committee. -Carried. Moved in amendment by Mr. Moss that Dr. McLaren's name be substituted for that of Mr. Houston. Sir of the A J. Brkd Th and Dr. mittees lots an< view o the dilli toward early d Y the ei schem Bioloj produ by tl Tiust build mattt tract! of wl 87 ''ridge, Prof, m, .M r. Mills, ynar, Father • Ogderi and the Alumni ting th(; ap- Park IIos- Tliat it he fiyles, Rev. •t and Mr. f'd with the itai, and to proper and icellor the e members on of the make .such her Teefy, Icou bridge e. id. d. -■d. irried. ibstituted T'lo amendment waa carried on the following division : Yeas.— Mr. Moss, Prof, liaker, Mr. Hoyle.s, Dr. Willmott, Dr. BurwoHh, Dr. Rey- nar, Dr. |{urn.s. Dr. McFarlane, Dr. Adam Wright, Mr. King, Dr. VV. H. 13. .\ikins. Nay.s.— :\rr. Embree, Prof, [ftitton, Dr. Carmen, Prof. (Tall)raith, Dr. Elli.s, The President. The Vice Chancellor, Messrs. Houston and Dyer did not vote. Agreed that Dr. Biirwash he the Convenor. It was moved by the Vice Chancellor, seconded by Mr. Hoyles, that Mr. Houston be added to the Committee for all purposes except to vote. This motion was withdrawn. Moved by the President that Prof. G M.rr^n'i, Mr. Aylesworth, Dr. McLaren, Dr. Cameron and Mr. Houston be a Committt:- < cnfer with the Committees appointed by the University lioard of Trustees and the Pnr : Hospital Trustees with regard to the tesolution of the Alumni Association. For this another resolution was .substituted. rt was moved by th(> Vive Chancellor, seconded by Mr. Hoyles, that the Committee already appointed be increased to ten and that Mr. Houston be added to it. — Carried, Ordered that Mr. Dales communication with the appended resolution be transmitted to the Special Committee with power to confer with the other Committees. University College, 11th June, 1892. Sir, — I am directed to re(^ueat that you will coniinunieate the tbllowing resolution of the Alumi Association to the Senate at its next nif^eting. Zours very truly, J. Bkkbner, Esy , Registrar University, Toronto. (Sgd.) WILLIAM DALE, Secretary Association. That in view of the Park Hospital Trustees having appointed the Vice Chancellor and Dr. Hoakin, and the University Trustees the Ohancellor and Prof. Loudon, Com- mittees, to meet with a Committee of the Senate about th(! lease of the College street lots and about the present unsatisfactory position of the Park Hospital scheme, and in view of the expre.ssed desire of the Minister of Education to facilitate a s(3ttlement of the difficulties in question, this Association expresses the hope that the steps so taken towards arranging for a conference on this imi)ortant matters will be followed at any early day by corresponding action on the part of the Senate. bstituted bstituted •Carried, uted for Your Committee to whom it was referred to enquire into matters connected with the erection of the biological buildings and the establishment of the Park Hospital scheme beg to report as follows : That in order exhaustively to deal with the subject of the reference regarding the Biological building your (Committee, in adiUtion to examining witnesses, caused to be produced before them all the various sketch and other plans which had been prepared by the architect iii connection with such wing : also the minute books of the Board of Tiustees and orders in council creating the board, and also personally examined the building. The desire of your Committee to make a thorough investigatifMi into the matters referred necessarily involved the expenditure of several day's labor, with pro- tracted night sessions by men who owed duties to the State, to the various institutions of which they were ollicers, and to their own affairs. HH Your conin.ittro tind thtit in 1H87 the SenatP CHUljliHliw a teachin-j; faculty in medicine. A fioition of ilie instruction was fiiven in the building of the olil Toronto School of Medicine; neiif tiu! (;.ner«i HoHpitai, and another portion in the University >>iiii(liii;:H and in tlie School ot Science in tlie Queen's i^urk. This arrnnf,'enienl involved arwit practical dilHculties in rh« way ol the successful carrying on of the work of the Medical faculty. At tiie same lime a similar ditUculrv ronlronied the Arts .students in hiolo^y, inasmuch as those who desired to study anatomy practically were obliged to attend at the huildin- near the hospital for thut i>urpo9o. Theemharrassment arising from tliis situation appears to have given rise to the idea of ined building. By instructions of the Vice-Chancellor, Prof. Wright requested the architect to prepare sketch plans to .«ee how those various objects could be attained, and rough sketches dated March, IH.jO, were sent by the architect to the Board, and were submitted to the board, the Vice-Ohanceller being absent They were murely tentative, and were not Bp])roved of nor acted on by the Hoard. The Vice-Chancellor was in Ottawa attending to Parliamentary duties, aed it was some time alter this that he learned that the sketches had Ijeen submitted to the l>oard. These sketch plans made provision fo;- a museum, a lecture room and a dissecting room, although not so specifically designated, subsequently, in cunsecjuence of a proposition for the transfer mineralogy with assaying to a .School of Minos, it became unnecessary in the opinion of the Vice Chancellor, to make provision for these subjfjots, and the details of the plans were varied l)y regard being had to geology ordy. In October, 188f, the architect completed his plans for tlie new building, which made provision for a museum and a lecture room, to bo used in common for geology and medicine, with an attic Hat which, at a cost of abf)ut §3,.")00, was made available fo'* dis.secting room and " bone room%" this it'^sm of .$.'}, ."iOO including tne cost of a hoist con- necting the attic v.'ith the basement, and covering the cost of linishing concrete instead of wood, the space in the basement where the material is stored. The Vice-Chancellor had requested Prof, llimsay Wright when the plans were com- pleted to attend before the Board with them, and to give all explanations in regard thereto, and accordingly Prof. Wright attended the Hoard at their meeting of October 3rd, 1889, for that express purpose, the Vice-Chincellor not being present at that stage of the proceedings. Your Committee tind that there is no evidence that at any time was there! The oj ing hil of thij ad vail ditlici: the ail east ^| to thi the r J these \mt il devel M!l l>in« farulfcy ill he ol.l Toronto file IJiiivcr.sity the sucopssfiil iiiil'ir (litiluulrv ntudy iinatoiiiy Mt p'irpos(!. rise to tJip idoa jioJoa[ical IjuiM- 311 (If'Hij,'nf!tI for avo occurod to be ooniJucti'd « .sulij.ct into 1 at least one ire room tho'n rt'(|uinniu'nts. sion has been ■ovifl(! for the it so je place anxious tlmt y, which was the Uiologicil anatomy anj avini,' tlio cost iVriijht to con- tlcr professor to the Vice- ineralogy and '■ architect to d, and rough 3re submitted ive, and were IS in Ottawa learned that 1 a disHectin" a proposition unnecessary ots, and the IJing, which geojorry and ivailable fo-- a hoist con- 'HHe instead 13 were com- ^3 in regard ; of October t that stage ny time was tliere any niistateinent or misrepresentation to any p irty as to the character of the building. The only ell'ort which we have found at the avoidai'ce of pul)licity in regard to this build- ing had n^lcrence to the dissecting room feature; of the structure, and that the sole ol)joct of this efi'ort was to prevent rt^sidents in the immediate vicinity from opposing the work. Your (/i.mmittee find that the medical faculty is being ehirgod a icntul for all advantages it derives from liaving the partial use of a portion of the building ; that the (Hlliculties and embarrassment already referred to experienced by both the meJi ;al and the arts faculty are now obviated, to the great advantage and bfiicfit of tlie University. Vour Committee find that the proceedings connected with the construction of the east wing of the Biological Building in iSfSS were similur to tiiosii followed with regird to the building now under consideration, and it does not appear that any (question as to the regularity of the metliods adopted was raised in the Senate. In making the.se lindings your L'ouimittf^e do not desin; to be considered as in the slightest degree (|uestioning the wisdom of the change of policy whereby matters such as thes(! in cjuestion ar(; now referred to and from the suliject of discussion in the Senate, but it is to i)e borne in mind chat the present system has been the rosult of gradual development, and was not in operation at the time of the events hereinb.'.fore set forth. Tliis (Committee is not to be lield as expresKing approval of secrecy practised in regard to any of the purposes of the buildings, but deem it their duty to express their conviction that that in carrying the work to compleiion tlie Vico-Chancelior was animated solely liy an earnest desire for the best interests of the University, and that his conduct throughout was disinterested and hoiiorablt>. With regard to the other Vjranch of the reference, viz , the hospital scheme, the Oominittee feel that in view of the great advantage accruing to the Univ(!isity from the estal)lishment of a prosperous medical faculty, the succuildingand the Fark Hospital lie adopted. Moved in amendment by Mr. Houston, .seconded by Prof. (Jalbraith ; That, in view of the fact tliat some members of the Committee who have not had an opportunity to read over the report of tlie evidence taken l)y the (,'ommittei!, dissent both from the general tenor of the report and from some of tlie specific statements contained in it, the consideration of the report be deferred to enal)le theiu to lay their objections before the Senate in a regular form. On motion of Dr. Dewart the 11 o'clock rule was suspended. Prof. Galbraith asked permission of the mover and the Senate to withdraw as seconder to Mr. Houston's motion, which, being granted, the main motion was put and declared carried. Evnn:NOp: taken before the select committee to whom was REFERRED THE QUESTION.S CONNECTED WITH THE EliECTION OF THE BlOLOtHCAL BUILDING AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PAlilv HOSPITAL. October 10, 1892, The Vick-Ohanckllor's Statement. T may say, Mr. Chairman and "entlemen, that luring the course of tiie various dis- cussions that took j)lace touchin<{ confederation, it was made manif<'st to me that one of the main influences to bring about this result was the prospect of this University going liberally into science. During the years covered by the various negotiations that culini- r. fi' 00 nated in confwlcration, witli raro i'X(T|itionH I niysolf spoke morn or Ichh oh lit'luilf of tlii^ UiiivwrHity, not iilwayH luiviiif,' PX|.rcHH instriuaioiiH. The Kcnuti' ajiprovi'd ^jc-nHrally of tlif propdHitiori of foiifcdorati.i?!, and liavin-,' that sonicwiiat general autliorit.y to inoinotc that end, I, informally perhaps, l)ut coiitinuouHly ventured to represeiit UnivtTHity opinion in rrganl to tliat ineiiHure. I knew well Ihat the indit of the Wniveraity was pledj^ed to pruniote the HcienceHido of tlie UniverHify, alth(iu;,'li there had heen no formal I'ond ;,'ivon or written ohii^ation of any kind, yt^t tiie digcusHion had lieen allowtul to ko oti on that line, and the division of the UnivfTHity ourriculuni indidated that the University wuh eoinniitted to that position. The Act of Confederation it'^elf cast certain duties upon thn I niversity, and tlio very clause of CIh! lJniv«rmty Aet which oast upon the University the obligation of teac.iiin^' science also cast upon the University the ol)lij,'ation of estahlishing and mainlaininf,' the teacliiiiK faculty in medicine, the sanio 8< t of words in tlu; sanin sentence placi d to these suhjects which are suppOHed to lie peculiarly arts sulijects and those which are sujiposed to lie medical. Therefore I drew lio distinction in my mind lietweeii tht! claims of medical and otlier science upon this Univeisity, liein^ of the opinion that they ranked pari /intiNU upon the resources of tins University. Such was, I helievci, the j^enc^ral drift of opinion, as far as 1 could judge, in University circles. In connection with Confederation the Senate was authorized to cstalil'sli a medical factdty. In times past the University had had a medical faculty, and we called tliis the restonition of the faculty. The old faculty, I have understood under the old law, had the same pusition as the arts faci.lty, and with its ntvival, 1 assumed, under the Act, it ought to he put in that position. When the Medical Faculty was revived the only huiidinft where it could carry on its work was over near the Hospital, and part of the scheme in the currijulum and for teachinfj necessitated tlie students of the (earlier years takinjif part or their work, more purticulaily their sciences work, over ht^rc! at the same time that tlii'y were rtupiired to do part of their work in the huilding near tlu^ Hospital. T\\o. facidty was estahiisln^d in 1887, and during the succeeding session it hecanni manifest to me, from reports made, that there were practiciil dilliculties in the way (.f that work lieitig satisfactorily carried on. I need not elaboi'ate upon that. These two points w«ir(! a mile or two apart. Jn tlie first year, and I think the second year, di-sectini,' is to lie doii«v That is a l)ranch of work involving a good deal of daily altendanct; in a (iissecting room. This Senate also had been extrennily anxious tliat medical students should be trained biologically. For i-ev(iral years prior to our establishing tlu; Medical Faculty we had endeavorcul to impress upon medical education a scientific cliaracter by incorporating biology in our curriculum, but we had no medical faculty, and the attempt, 1 think, was a failure;, resulting simply in preventing men coming up to our (^xatuinalion, and we I'aihid to impress our influence in that din ction upon medical education iu Ontario. So that when in conse(|uence of that failure largely, and in consequence of our liaving failed to aflect the system of medical education in this dirc^ction, th(! UniviTsity n'stored its nie fruity opinion li(! HiMcncHHido t ol)li{{ation oC III' division of HiiiL position, and tlu) very •n of teacliin;^' i»ituinin<,' tlif aced to thesi! are HuppoHud iiH of nitdical ! law, had th(! the Act, it lid carry on uin and for work, nioro iiii'cd to do al)lish(!d in ports nmd(\ rily carried apart, in * l)!anch of "donate also '•"lly, For to impress iiiriouluai, in^' simply •■ inlluciico ^||U(>nce of of nu'dical ' with the to its aim "ly mind, iculties in ii' dissect- id{!avor('d ci'oss city idcavored ^'as spent II Carlton K' trouble r railway was still ■''tu(i(!nt.s students vo years. At the smie time, or ih. n iltoii's, <|ie east.eily win« of the l5iolM!.i,; il LiUoratory hat! l.cen erected. I think it was l.e^un in IHHH and opriird in l8f<'.J. (Keliruary, 1888, (icf^iin.) At all cveiitH we liad had .nme experience of the attempt to I'arry on the work at these two points. This cuHterly wjn^ was but part of tiie buildiiij,' li was not a com- plete liuildini,', for (I ere was no |iro\ision maiie for the Museum. The olijccts in the .Museum were up to tills lime in the main building', occupyint* a considerable amount of space, and according to tim plan fif the east wini,' it was intentU'd in the near luture to exti-nd that wint,' westerly, makiui,' proviKJon for the Museum. I'li'is we had two thing's to areomplish tlie iMusiam to complete the i;iolo;,'ical, and it was in my mind to endeavor to provide facilities for more of the lirs'. and second year work in lueiliciue beinj{ conducutd over here. I was also awam that a few of our sludt-nt.s, a nieie handful, l)Ut still some, takinj^ l!ioloL;y in the Arts course, were advi.sed to take Human Anatomy. I think it occupies a place in our curriculum as well, and I liad leanuMl that some of the honor students in hioiof-y in the fourth year had to tak(^ their Anatomy over at the Toronto School of Medi.ine in the east end. Iiiolojjieal students, I pnsunu-, liecauseof sentinnuit or of inconvenience, had not always had Human Anatomy, but I think Prof. Ramsay Wright impiesFi (1 it upon me that it IJiological students wt^re willm;,' to do so, it would be much mere to their advantajje to do Human Anatomy ihan that of the lower animals, and 1 can remember liim j^ivinj; me some reasons for that opinion. Kor example ; that tiufre were j,'r(!ater fivilities for instruction in Huuuiti Anatomy, n>or(! tc^xt books on thc^ subject, more plat< s, via., of th(j sul'ject of i'iolof^y, and l)einj» myself (uiamorffd, it b<^iuj» a i,'reat subject of ^^idwini,' importance and use, i was in favor of putting,' into the hands of studtmta in Arts facilities for doini; their Anatomy Kurllier, I rej:;arded liiolojjy as taujjht liere as not altogether satisfactory to me, as we had but on> Tor ext( nsions. Abuut that, tiim^ the Minister learned from me that it would be necessary to (extend our buildings I It^ft an outliiK* of tJK! programme to Prof. Wright, re(|uesting him to put himself in communica- tiini witii \\\v .irchitect to sketch out what was ultimately arrived at. During tin' early part of the year 1 was down discharging my parliamentary duties at Ottawa. 1 have turned up the votes and proceedings to see when Parliament begun and find it l»egan in January .'Jlst and continued some three months or more. During ,m^ K IMAGE EVALUATION TEST TARGET (MT-3) 1.0 1.1 11.25 ■50 Ui Uii |2.2 lU .o^ MB £ li£ 12.0 I; I NUu IE U 11.6 Photographic Sdences Corporation -^"^^ 23 WeST MAIN STREET WEBSTER, N.Y. I4SM (716) •72-4503 '^ 92 the whole (if that period with exception oi' a day ocuisioiiallj', perhaps a Ritunlay at mrH intervalH I was in Ottawit. So tliat I r^aliy hid very littlt^ communion with any of the University autliorities tonchinj; these matters durini,' this period. I cannot Hpeak from nn niory now, l)ut Pr.if. Wright or the architect iiis pointed out to me the various sta!,'<'s of incuhation that lluso plans underwent. Prof. Wriuht failed to ^ecure the co-operation of Piof. Pi'ly from what i learned afterwards, some of it, indeed, to-night. Qlkstion. — By whom nas ordered a change of plan from the sketch plans to the final ones 1 il 1^ THE VICE-CHANCELLOR'S STATEMENT (Continued). As to the next question, the departure from the sketch plans or th^i adoption of dif- ferent )ilan8, I can only speak from explanations I liave received of the vaiiations in detail of these plans — whilst taking responsibility for the change, I do not profess to give a critical explanation as to what the changes were. The original sketch plans had accommodation for minerology and geology, and my reason *or the abandonment of the provision for their subjects is this. I have staled already in the post-script to my letter to the Senate substantially the reason which I am now about to advance. The Minister informed me of liis intention to erect a sciiool of m'nes in Toronto in proximity to this University. He told me that he would relieve this University of all exjiense in connec- tion with assaying and minerology, and he made a further suggestion with reference to the matter, but it was of a confidential charucter with regard to geology, and he told me we need not go to any expense with regard to assaying and minerology. As I said, then, I have tried to jiiace the interview before Professor Ramsay Wright and myself, for I do not think I ever gave directions to the architect. But I cannot remember it. But on asking him about it he tells me that 1 had that interview and gave him the instructions ihit the Minister intended to save the University any expense for minerology, and for that reason he did not make any provision in the plans for a mincirological laboratory and for assaying I felt that comparatively little space would be recjuired for a professor of geology. It bag been stattid that this remark was made by the Minister anterior time. That that was 93 turday at rare •i'li any of tlui )t Hjioak from variouH sta^'cs unwilling to tfiti arcliitf!,t l)Ut niodiciiic, 'fill, that pr... t, but I have "1(1 not niako to avoid any ling for which y '>ut nieroly 1 of structures ' g<'t a acconi- to ascertain kvern prepared hniitted to the ing when they in regard to ote time after from Toronto, ng this wholu ifli these mat hich has been ! from what I li plans to the jption of dif. vaiiations in ot profess to 3h plans had inient of the to my letter The Minister :imity to this 'e in connec- erence to the 1 told me we mid, then, J ilf, for I do it. But on instructions 'gy, and for moratory and 'geology. It hat that was not so I may say that in the interview I pointed out to the Minister that if he removed minerology from this University he would endanger the $3,000 a year wiiich the City of Toronto hag to pay us. As you are aware according to an agreement between the City and this University and confirmed by Act of I'arliament, the City promised to endow a chair in geology and minerology or such other subject as might be agreed upon ; and when the Minister suggested to me this change I pointful out that to do so without the consent of the City would lose the money in ([uestion. I'mt he said he woald arrange with tlie City to take another department. I mentioned that now because nome person, criticising this in the press, suggested sometiiing very different. I do not remember any further details ; I car scarcely remember anything further about it other than what the records show. Prof. WiUGHT. — As far as my recollection goes, it was in early summer, 1889. Mr. HoL'.sTON. — You have only the Ministisr's verbal statement 'i (to the Vice-Chan cellor). Vice-Chancei.lor. — As far as I am concerned, that is all I have. Mr. Houston. — Nothing of all this was communicated to the Senate t ViCK CiiANCELLOJ{. — Nothing, as far as I know. At all events I was not desirous that it should be known that w« were going to have a dissecting-room in the neighbor hood, but I did not wish that it should be withheld from anyone in authority — from any one in the University — but simply from tiie troublesome public. Dr. Cavk.n. — Was provision for the dissecting room a part of the original sketch plans \ Vice Chancellok. — jNfy instructions to Prof. Wright were that there should be such provision. Whether the plans provided for it or not can bo seen from the plans them- selves I su{)pos>'d I was voicing the entire University opinion, and perhaps in helping it on by not asking too many of our friends to keep a secret. I never discussed the details of the plana with anyone. The plans were there for anyone at tiie Board to look at. Mr. Houston. — Was the (jroverninent made aware at any time between March and October, 1889, that provision was intended to be made for dissecting in the building I Vice CiiAXCicLi.OR. — I do not think that I had any interview with any member of the Government with the exception of the Minister of Education. It was my universal practice tc have communication with the Minister of Education only, and I have never discussed details with the Minister further than I have told you. I drew no distinction between medical science and other science. Chaikman. — Were these plans in any way submitted to the Government ? Vice CiiAXCEL'.ou. — I cannot say how that was. When the plans were made I was away in Ottawa attending to my Parliamentary duties. Father Teefy. — Was not accommodation given to Arts too ! Vice Chancellor. — It was to give it to them too. There were only two or three a year, however, and we would not h/ive erected a dissecting-room merely for Art students, though facilities for any subject often cause its development. Facilities sometimes have to go iu advance of the demand. 94 ■I . I Presiuknt. — Oould the trustees know of the provision for anatomy if there was no indication on the plan ? On Ai KM AN. — That would have to lie answered by some one present at the Board, when the plans were suhmitted. Vice Chancellor. — The plans were laid upon the table. Presidknt — Anatomy was not mentioned on the plans. Dr. Maclarkn. — The Vice-Chancellor does not speak from personal knowledge whi m upon the Boaid. Presiuent. — The Vice-Chancellor explained to the trustfes in November, 1889 that anatomy was provided for? Did he explain to his colleagues of the intention to provide for anatomy 1 Vick-Chancellor. — The minutes of the Board are in the hand-writinji; of Sir Daniel Wilson. I attended very often to mtke out clieijues after the meeting. If 1 liad been there at first I would have signed my own h;ind-writing. The Minutes are in the hand writing of Sir Danii^l, and it is fair to assume that I did not take any part in the meeting of that day. At no lime, so far as I am aware, were the details of these plans subjects of discussion by the Board in ray pre.sence. And further, no one asked me to t xplain anything about them. Had he done so, I would have cheerfully and unreservedly told him ail about it. I had no aim or oV'ject in concealing anything from tlie Board, tliough I would not wihh every person to be taken into confidence al)out this matter. I had no idea that any membt r oi' the Board would object to provision for a diisecting room. Dr. Maclaren' — Did the Board of Trustees at any meeting of trustees or individual trustees qu'-stion the Vice-Ohancellor as to the use oi any of the rooms, which were not named on the plan i Vice Ohancellou. — No person ever asked me, and the architect, so far as I am con- cerned, was absolutely free to take the Board into his confidence. Ho was instructed to withhold information only from the genera, public. ibMUi-^^r. HoYLKs — Did you give Mr. Dick any personal instruction about withholding this information ? Vicb-Chancellor — It was through Prof. Ramsay Wright, so far as I r»'member. ^^.^Mr. lloYLEs. — Have you any personal recollection of being present when the plans were up for discussion ? Vice-Chancellor. — I have no recollection whatever. fi^Dr. WiLLMOTT. — It was your impression that it was the duty of the Board of Trus. tees to erect this building ? Vice-Chanoellor. — I did not look upon the Senate as taking pirt in this. Tid not look uj)on the Senate as the governing body as to property. |Mr. HoLSTON. — The Order in Council provides facilities for the Science Departments of the Univeriity. You understood the Government to know that that included provi- sion for medical education I jjJIjViCB-CiiANCBLLOu. — I considered Medical Science as a branch of .science, but canno say how the Government viewed it. Until these troubles began 1 did not think that the Government had any objection to this policy. I have heard it suggested, but it came to me as a great surprise. 95 f thore was no at tlie Board, iiowledge wIkm l>er, 1889 that tion to provide of .Sir Daniel I liad been in the hand 1 tlie meeting plana subjects ine to ( xplain 'P.servedly told Board, th(jugh '. I had no i;,' ro(jni. f^ or individual liioh were not ir as I am con- i instructed to It withholding remember, hen the plans oard of Trus- liis. rid not Bepartmouts eluded provi- !f, but canno link that the H it came to Mr. Houston.— The Board of rrustees, March 19th, requested to know how the capital should be replaced. On March 20th the appropriation was made. At whose instance did the Minister get this order passed ' ViCE-CnANCKLi.oii. — Meeting of March 19th and the Order in Council of March 20th were not known to me at that time, and my knowledge was entirely after the event. I had no conversation with th»> Minister with rei'ard to appropr ition or Orders in Council than I have referred ta .Vbouttlie l)eginnia,' of 1889 we discussed the propo.sitions to extend our work, and no doubt contemplated the advance of money by Order in Council or by whatever authority was necessary. Mr Houston.— This is all you know 1 ViceChancklloii. — It was juat a conversation between the Minister and myself. Pbesiuknt. — When you talked with the Minister there were no plans given? ViCB CnAXCKLLOK — ^I had no definite policy in my own mind then, as far as I remember, it was simply to extend our science work, to equip us in science. I'uKSiDKNT. — Did you submit the tinal plans to the Government '{ ViCE-CnANCELr,OR. — They went to the Board on the 3rd October. I made no per- sonal explanation ■ibout them. Never went into personal explanation with the Minister about the plans, either preliminary or tinal, I never went over them and was not fami- liar with the details. Prof. Ramsay Wright had elaborated the plans for the east wing successfully, etc. I gave him instructions to look after the matter. Pkksident. — You had no conversation with the Minister with regard to any of these plans 1 Vice CiiANnELhoii — I think I met once Prof. Wright with a bundle of these plans under his arm and 1 think he and the Minister wont otf, but I never went into the plans with them. I tUink the Minister was taking lunch with me at the Toronto Club and Prof. Wright came down there with a bundle of plans with him. He had some conversa- tion with the Minister. I had scarcely more conversation with the Minister than any other memV)er of the club. We have been together. I had never seen those plans in my life and could not explain plans that I had never seen. PiiEbiDENT. — Were the plans explained by Prof. Wright in your presence 1 Vice-Ohancellor. — I do not remember any conversation between the Minister and Prof. Wright. Mr. Houston. — A limited number of persons were made acquainted with the fact that provision was to l>e made for dissection. Will you tell us then 1 ViuK-CHANCEhLOR. — [ am aware that I made that statement. Mr. HousTOv. — You said not everyone was taken into confidence. Vice Chancellor. — I did hesitate, I presume, to discuss it with people who would be too gossipy. Mr. Houston. — Who were such persons] YiCe Chancellor. — I don't recall such. My instructions were to Prof. Wright I may have talked to others, but Prof. Wright is the one I entrusted to accomplish this end. Chairman. — Did you consider the casual meeting with Prof. Wright and the Minis- ter as a foi mal explanation of the pUns for the benefit of the Government ! 06 m VicK-('iiANCKi,LOR. — 1 do not know what Prof. Wrifjlit wanted with the Minister Pkesidknt. — I think we should not j/o furtlier into that. In the absence of Mr. KosH, w(! cannot go further, as Mr. liosa is much intereHttd. ("iiAiKMAN — As a member of this Committfe I wish to know. Any Government would r((|uire Hn explanation ot the pliiii.s. This is why I asked the question. Did he supfuiHO in this casual interview that iv formal explanation of the plans was being made 1 Mr. HoYLKS. — Should we not get simply at the facta of an explanation? ViCK OnANC'KLi.oR. — The reading was casual as far as I was concerned. W"? three did not meet there by appointment to liiscuas the plans. THE BIJU.SAR: Dr. Maci.akkn. — In whose handwriting is the name " Vice-Chancellor" in the min" utesof Oct. :?r'l, 1889? Bursar. — It is in my handwriting. Sir Daniel Wilson omitted it and I added it. Dr. Maclaren. — Do you recollect when the V, C. came in 1 Bursar. — Do not know the precise time but it was after the Board had commenced. Don't know just what part he took in the proceedings. Vice-Chancellok. — I do not think Sir Daniel Wilson ever remained in the chair when I was present for even a part of a meeting. Pke.sident. — Did this question come up at the beginning or the end — the ijuestion about the plans ? Bursar. — It was at the end. Dr. Maci.kahn — Do you remember any di£cu.>-sion of these plans at either of these meetings of the Board ? B'"{SAR — ^I do not remember particularly. I thought the building was for science teaching. Did not ask any questions, thought I understood for what purpose the build- ing was being put up. Do not think medicine was evei mentioned. Mr. Houston. — What members of the Board weie present ? * BURSAH. — Presidknt.— Did you think that Sir Daniel Wilson understooJ that anatomy was provided for ? Bursar. — I cannot say. President. — Did you think chat Dr. Hoskin knew? Buhsar— Cannot say. You will have to ask him. The change in the roof was spoken of by Col. (Jzowski, I did not know that the room in question was a dissecting room. Do not know when Col. Gzowski, Mr. Christie or Mr. Scott know about it They seemed to understand the purpose of the building. They did not see the term *' anatomy " or dissecting-room that I remember. Mr. Houston. — What members were not present ? Bursar.— The Chancellor, Mr. Campbell and Dr. Larratt W. Smith. President. --Do yon know who submitted the plans tc the Government? Bursar. — I do not, did not do it myself. M for inf 97 fhe Minister, labsence of Afi-. ly (jovernmeiit jition. Did hfi M being made ? |n? led. W- three •n the uinr d I added it. 'nt about the Vice Chancellor's communication nor to the Vice-Chancellor about the President's proposal. I did not learn from Mr. Ross himself anything about this. Dr. Maclarkn. — Tell us what passed from the Vice-ChanccUor through you to the architect about these plans. Prof. Wright. — The first rough sketches prepared by myself included merely provis- ion for the museum and for the medical classes of the first and second years, it included a lecture room with provision for a dissecting room and store rooms for anatomical material. The dissecting room was roughly sketched out over the lecture room as it is in the plan. The store rooms were provided in the basement but I think partly underneath the lecture room. The museum was sketched out very much after the arrangement of the old museum in the main building here, that is it was a long room 75x50 feet running clear up to the roof with a gallery somewhat in the position that the gallery held in the old museum in the main building.only somewhat further from the floor, and also consider- able wider. The first idea I had was that the museum should be lighted from the roof. After conversat on with vari nis experts afterwards I found that that plan of lighing from the roof war. Adam nmrose was )een instru- lepartment, had been in and partly nonstrator ? he was the Pkfsipent. — Were these men, Urs. Primrose and Wright, consulttd us to the niuend«d (October 3, 188'J) plans? Prof. VVnifiiiT. — 1 cannot answer. Prkhidknt. — In pre|)iiring thfSH plans were you asked by the Vice-Chancellor to keep the whole mutter as to provision for anatoiny a secret / i'rof. Witi'JiiT.— Tlif Vice Cliaiucllor HtHtt'd that at a meeting of the Senate, w..en I apprcacbcil otbfrn on the aiiHtniiiiciil parts I enjoined secrecy. PuKt-iiiKNi.- Till building is designed for a museum and for medical purposes, in- cluding Hmitomy. |)id you keep s<*cret the; fact that tiie provision for both medical and mut-eum purposiH weie being provided for? Prof. WuKiiiT. — As I was asked to keep the matter asecret I did so. I am naturally reticent. VicK-CjiANCELLdU — Which part were you asked to keep secret I Prof. WiiKiiiT.— [ am not sure that there was any restriction as to any one part You have explained ihiit the 8 that Mr. Jiank rooms, eat anvtl>>»>~ — o him ? ination of a le Order in ite meeting ^ 'lim the ^n as con- another, ke to say 1 and the at would *>« space museum Mr. HousTOW.— How many pprsoni knew of the intention to teach primiary medi- cine in the huihling 1 Prof. Wright. — I have mentioned the persons whom I conversed with — Drs. Adam Wright, Prin.rose and Pike, I think that would he all (all as far as) I com- municated with, apart from the Vice-Ohancellor and the architect. Prrrident. — When were the amended plans commenced 1 VVhen did you take them up ? Prof. Wkiout. — Probably a month or so after the first. In the plans there was a lecture room for Prof. Chapman in Geology. Mr. Koss asked this at the meeting down at the Club, Prbsidknt. — Have you forgotten that he was going to dispens*? with geology t Prof. Wriqht. — It was the Minister's desire to divide the department and make the more practical aspects go to the School of Mines and the other aHpect to be taken in the University. There is a lecture room in the amended plans. It is a common lecture room. It WHS available for either anatomy or geology. Dr. WiLLMOTT. — The Minister generally approved of the sketch draft plan 1 Prof. Wrioht. — Yes ; »nd the other plans were a|)proved in a month or two later, and the Minister approved these latter plans at the nieeting in the Club. President.— The Minister did not ask, and you did nut tell him, that the building was designed partly tor medical purposes 1 Prof. Wright. — No, but my impression was that Mr. Ross knew that the building was to l>e u.sed for the convenience of medical students, that the primary teaching should be done in this building. President. — When did Mr. Ross express any surprise in regard to the fact that pro- vision had been made for this purpose ? Prof. Wright. — I was in Germany. I was not in Toronto during the summer of 1890 and winter of '90-91, and the building was then going on. Mr. HoYLGS. — Did you instruct the architect not to put any names on these rooms ? Prof Whioht. — No. The question came up as to whether the name dissecting room should be written across the plan, and the Vice-Uhancellor and my.self and Mr. Diok, though the architect has no recollection of this, met iu the Vice Chancellor's office. I thought of putting Anatomical Laboratory, but considered that this expression might be misleading ; then my impression is that the architect suggested that the rooms be left blanic, and the Vice-Ohancellor approved of it. President. — Did it occur to you that the trustees and Govern ent and others might not fully understand these plans f Did you not think they uiight misunder- stand it 1 Prof. Wright. — I did not think it my duty to offer any information that I was not asked for. It seemed to me, and it seems to me now, a very proper addition to the Biological Building, because at that time iu Cambridge a similar building and a similar combination was being made. President. — Were you not solicitous about such a method as keeping; this secret 1 Prof. WnioiiT. — The only person with whom I felt at all embarrassed in con versa" tion upon this matter was the late President, though I had a vague idea that he knew the medical students were to be accommodated there in some way. 102 Mr. IIuTi,B8.— Did you think that to call thiH an aildition to the ■oi«nce departmont of thfl UnivcrHity wan a fair description ? Prof. WRionx.— I would not have styled it thus, though I thought it a very fitting addition and a dfsirable privilege for the une of biological students. But the provision would not liavn been on such an t-xtcnHivo Hcale except for the niodical ntudenta. FacilitioH of thiH kind were very deHirablc;. Mr. Houston. — Did you not recognize a very groat distinction hetwoon Toronto and CJainhridge Universities? They have plenty of money, and we have a very limited capital. Prof. Whioiit. — f did not consider that : it did not occur to me. Dr. Maci.ahen. — Did any trustee except the Vice-Ohancellor ask you for particulars about these plans 1 Prof. Wkioht. — No ; not even the President. Dr. Maclarbn. — Did you think that calling that went wing one of the science departments of the University would bo a fair and correct name for it ' Prof. VV RIGHT. — Yes ; it could be still called one of the science departments of the University. Prksidrnt. — Did you think the Senate or the Government would by that term understand that anatomy and medical teaching are included in the phrase 1 Prof. Wrioiit. — I myself regard anatomy as one of the sciences, but it is possible that they might not so regard it. Prksident. — When it was decided to leave out provision for mineralogy and geology, except a lecture room, was there any proposition to provide for chemistry 1 Prof. Wright. — None whatever. Chairman. — All through it was distinctly understood that the lecture room was to be available for geology purposes as well as anatomical or medical purposes 1 Prof. Wright. — Yes. Presidbnt. — Are there any other rooms beside this of this particular form of room ? Designed in that style 1 Prof. Wright. — I do not think there are with such a high-pitched floor. Pro- fessor Oroft's old room was very steep — the architect can tell us the pitch. The west lecture room is very suitable for anatomy but not unsuitable fr ->ther purposes. That was the special design. The flat room would not be so suitable for anatomy. .The room can be used by students in geology. I remember saying to the Vice-chancellor that a second lecture room might eventually be necessary for biology. Prof. Chapman was not consulted as to the plan. Presidbnt. — The men in Arts do not like to lecture in a room with such a high pitch. Dr. Maclaren. — In McGill College in the Redpath Building there is a steep room for Arts purposes. Mr. Houston. — Why was not Prof. Chapman consulted? This matter interested his department very much. I'rof. Whight. — I refer you to the Vioft-Chnncellor. I knewj ■poke Pill mineral! consult r Prj that anj Di| any ■' I knew well !ie would object to any division of hiH departniont lucli aa Mr. Rom ■poke of. PRKHIOKNT. — [n thH preparation of that plan on which are ahown rooma for mineralogy and geology, waH I'rof. Wright inatruoted by the Vice ChancoUor not to consult Prof. Chapman? Prof. WiuanT. — I do not think ho. Hut the plans are tentative, and I do not know that any definite reason was aHsigned. Dr. Cavan. — Prof. Wright intended to appropriate much Hpaco without giving any details, and thus I'rof. Chapman was not consulted. Was it not necessary to con- sult him ? Mr. Houston. — The question as to space in the building should have bnon referred to him. He has as much space, but it is very inconvenient. Prof. Wrioiit. — That difficulty would have been avoided by consulting him. Father Tkkpy. — Was it understood in a general way that on the renewing of the Medical Faculty : was it understood by the Uovernment and by Mr. Koss that pro- vision would be made for the first and second years 1 Prof. Wrkiut. — It was my impression, but it seems to have been erroneous. Dr. Maclahrn. — Your communication with them was on the idea that they were favorable to this policy t October Uth, 1892. The Committee and isLr. Hoyles all present, except Honorable Justice Falconbridge. The Vice-chancellor, the Bursar, the Architect and Professor liamsay Wright, also in attendance. Mr. ARCHITECT DICK'S Examination: Mr. Dick — The only additional document that could be found in the rough sketch, which was the first crude idea, dated March 12, 1889 ; and then on March 15th a second sketch was prepared with some slight modifications. Dr. Caven. — Was it at the instance of Prof. Ramsay Wright that the first sketch (March 12) was made? Mr. Dick. — It was. Mr. Houston. — You suy in your letter to the Senate that you generally got your instructions from Prof. Wright. Did he order you not to put the names on ? Mr. Dick. — I think it was he. The only documentary evidence I have is an entry in my dairy on December 26th : " Arranged titles, etc., with Prof. Wright." Prbsidbnt. — What was the reason assigned at the time for omitting names ? Mr. Dick. — I have no specific recollection, and can state only general impressions. It was the desire not to let the fact become public, that the work of dissection was to be carried on. A good deal of opposition had been raised to turning old Wycliffe College intc a hospital. Prbsident. — To whom did you understand these plans were to be submitted. Mr. Dick — To the board of trustees. 104 President. — Both plans ? Mr. Dick. — Yes, all the plans. President. — What necessitj was there t Did it not occur to you that there was no necessity to conceal it from the Board 1 Mr. Dick.— I ha * not the slightest idea but that the Board of Trustees knew all about it. I never doubted for a moment The instruction I received from Prof. Wright and occasionally perhaps from the Vice-Ohancellor, was to keep it from the public. Ohairman. — Referring to your letter in which you speak of changes in the plans. Did you intend to imply that the Board had discussed the use of the rooms and that they suggested a chango 1 Mr. Dtck. — I thought it only right to say that the plans were laid before the Board. Dr. Oaven. — Was there direct communication with the Board t Mr. Dick. — It was through the agent already name-^, *hat is, the instruc'ions about changes in the height of the rooms, etc. It was the ViceOhancellor's suggestion that I reported it to the Board. Vicb-Ohancellor. — Did ever anything that occurred between you and me give jou to undrstand that you were to withhold any information from the Board or from anyone in authority 1 Mr. Dick. — No, sir. ViCE-CHANrKLLOR. — If I did give you instructions, what was their aim ", Mr. Dick- ""■ was to keep the general public from the fact, as I have already said, Mr. Houston. — Did anyl ody else than the Vice-Chancellor ever suggest that this ';:«''rrmation should be kept from persons not in sympathy with the University, members ■y. tbt:» faculty, etc. ? Mr. Dick. — I have no recollection of such. !No one asked me to keep it a secret ii\ T. (he President, faculty, etc. If any one on the Board, or anyone in authority, had oome to me and asked me about the matter I would have explained to him. Dr. Maclaren. — How wpre the wishes of the Trustees conveyed to you as to changes ? Mr. Dick. — My knowledge on that point is not clear. Dr. Maclahen. — Were you at any meeting of the Board of Trustee where the plans were discussed 1 Mr. Dick. — No, sir. Dr. Maclaren. — Did you receive any letter from the Bursar on the subject 1 Mr. Dick — I cannot find any except that authorizing the acceptance of the tenders. Had no communication with Col. Gzowski as far as lean recollect. Dr. Maclaren. — How u':<\ the suggestions of the Board as to the skylights, etc., come to you ? Mr. Dick. — Have no recollections how the information came from the Board. Professor Wright. — 1 was present and took pirt in this Board meeting when the plans were submiltcd, and the only remark that was made wi'^h regard to the plans was one by Col. Gzowski, in which he suggested that the top part of the building might be treated in an economical manner, and it was this which was reported to the architect. Vici Frbi dissectini 105 iere was no knew all Irof. Wright |ublic. the plans. \d that they the Board. ions about eation that egive son om anyone 76 already that this , members ' a secret "ty, had changes 1 be plans 'ject ? tenders. 8, etc., m the s was ;ht be ;t. Vice-Chancbllor. — I was not present at that Board meeting. President. — At that Board meeting was any question asked as to anv room being a dissecting room 1 Professor Wright. — There were no questions asked and no hints given as to the use of the building. President. — Oould this order be given by the Board without them knowing it was for a dissecting room 1 Prof. Wright. — They would likely know something as to the uses of the roomi President. — Oould the suggestions have been given by the Board without any know- ledge of the real object of the room 1 The Chairman disallowed the question. Lr. W. T. AiKBNS. — It was a very wise suggestion if they had known it to be used as a dissecting-room. Prof. Wright. — To the best of my belief the suggestion was made by Ool. Gzowski entirely on economical grounds from an inspection of the architect's plans. He spoke of a great deal of expensive stone-work which might be saved by the change. President. — Who instructed you to prepare the October, 1889, plans? Mr. Dick. — I cannot answer that positively ; it is a matter of mere recollection. I am only supposing that I got instructions from Prof. Wright as in the first case. President. — Did Prof. Wright then instruct you to prepare the October plans 1 Mr. Dick. — In the absence of any letter from the Bursar I am led to think so. President. — Do you remember if any instructions were given you to omit the pro- vision of mineralogy and geology ? Mr. Dick. — I do not think any instruction came to me from the Board, that is from the Bursar. As far as I know they were not received from the Bursar and musit have been verbal. President. — With whom did you consult in the preparation of the March and October plans. Mr. Dick. — Mostly with Professor Ramsay Wright. President. — Any other ? Mr. Dick. — The only other person was Dr. Adam Wright on one occasion, and I cannot recall what was then done. President. — With whom did you consult about t\'d October plans 1 Mr. Dick. — The final plans were the regular development of the first crude ones, and the only persons I remember consulting with were Prof, Wright, Dr. Adam Wright on one occasion, u id possibly with the Vice-Chancelior on some occasion. President. — Did you consult at all Dr. Primrose t Mr. Dick. — I do not think I became acquainted with him until we came to fitting of the building, after the building itself was erected. 106 Prkhjdrnt. — You have heard that no explanation of the medical feature was given to the Trustees by the Vice-Chancellor or Prof. Wright ? Mr. Dick. — Yes. Presidknt. — Without such explanation would it be possible for you, Mr. Dick, to know that these plana were intended for medical teaching purposes 1 Mr. Dick. — No, I don't think so. President. — Did you ever hear about the plans being submitted to the Government ? Mr. Dick.— No, I think not. President. — Were you present at the interviev? described last night between the Minister, the Vice-Chancellor and Prof. Wright 1 Mr. Dick, — I was not ; did not hear of it until last night. President. — You never heard anything about an interview between the Vice-Chan- cellor and Mr. Ross with regard to these plans 1 Mr. Dick. — Not to the best of my recollection. Prkbident. — Was secrecy as to the medical features of the origi- J March plans enjoined on you 1 Mr. Dick. — I have a general recollection that nothing as to the medical feature of the plans was to leak out to the general public. President. — Could you state the floor-space devoted to medical purposes in the March and in the October plans ? The Architect promised to calculate. Dr. Caven. — Will you state was there any increase in expense in connection with the change from the March to the October plans ? What increase of cost was involved t Mr. Dick.— First plan (estimate) $60,000 ; second, $68,000 ; increase, $8,000. President. — What would be the cost of the museum without the dissecting room above 1 Mr. Dick. — I sent a calculation to the Chancellor on April 14th, 1891, of the building : Lecture room (and basement under) $16,323 Museum 24,1 11 The remainder 24,565 $64,999 In the museum the cost of the dissecting room is not counted in. Dr. Maclarkn. — When you were asked about instructions for seer sy as to the medical features of the building, did your answer refer only to the dissecting room or to everything about medicine 1 Mr. Dick. — The only thing I had in my mind was the dissecting room ; it was the dissecting room feature of the building. President. — But you omitted the Dimes in the plaus of b )t.h parts. ViCB $60,000. Mr. Vici and roofej Mr. Vic^ any facilil 107 Government ? between the e Vice-Chan- March plana »1 feature of in the March ectiou with ivolved 1 3,000. cting room '91, of the 3 1 5 ts to the 'om or to waa the Vick-Chancellor.— The estimate according to the sketch-plans of March was $60,000. Was that the result of accurate calculation ? Mr. Dick. — It was an approximate estimate not accurately calculated. Vicb-Chancellor.— It cost about $66,000. Simply for a musei.m with its basement and roofed in a reasonable way what would it have cost t Mr. Dick. — I would have to guess at that ; it would require time to answer. Vice CnANCELLOR. — Assuming that the building was completed as it is now, except any facilities in it for dissection, elevation, provision for storing anatomical material in basement, what would have been the cost 1 Mr. Dick.— It would be about $3,500 less, assuming that the bulk of the building remained unchanged. Dr. WiLLMOTT. — Is the third part in the above estimate (" Rest of the building") common to the rauseu-n and the medical portion of the building? Is it common to the lecture room and the museum ? Mr. DioK. — The basement under the museum was treated as common property. President — The October plans were for the museum and the medical faculty only. If these arrangements were omitted and also the extra cost, what would have been the cost for museum purposes 1 Mr. Dick. — I cannot answer that now. Mr. Houston. — Then every part of the building west of the old building, with the exception of an ante-room to the lecture room and the use of the lecture room and the museum, was to be used for medical purposes 1 Mr. Dice. — Tea ; I think that is correct. The museum would include part of the basement and the room, and the same might be remarked about the other rooms. Viob-Chanckllor. — If you took from the building in question the museum and its appurtenances, what part h^-e you left for the medical faculty 1 Mr. Dice. — You would get only a fragment of a building, and would require time for calculation. Pbebidbnt. — In each case we require the amount of floor-space. Mr. Houston. — When asked to prepare these plana by Prof. Wright, waa it repre- sented that a considerable portion was to be used for medical purposes purely 1 Mr. Dick. — Yes ; the un-named portion, lecture room to be used in common. The building was partly medical with the Mr. Houston. — At what periods in the construction of the building did you learn that Prof. Chapman was expected to occupy a portion of it for mineralogical as well as for geological teaching t Mr. Dick. — After the building had been completed and was ready for occupation or almost ready for occupation. Mr. Houston. — When Prof. Chapman understood that he was to be moved into these quarters, was the construction so far advanced that an expert in his line could not give suggestions to have the place made satisfactory to him 1 Mr. Dick — The building was advanced aud could not be changed to suit a professor of mineralogy and geology. 108 Pbksidknt. — Was the muBeam intended, in the October plana, partially for a geological mnBeum at present utilized 1 Prof. Wright. — No; it is a biological mnsenm. Dr. WiLLMOTT. — There was not room for geological specimens also t Prof. Wright. — No ; Prof. Chapman's leaving the building would not change the arrangements. Mr. Houston. — You got your instructions from Prof. Ramsey Wright generally t Was the eastern wing carried out in that manner 1 Mr. Dick. — Yes. Dr. AiKENs. — Did the trustees invite the architect at any time 1 Mr. Dick. — No ; nor was I asked to go before them with re£;ard to the eastern wing until the opening of the tenders. Professor asked leave to make a statement. Prof. Wright. — I wish to qualify a statement made last night with regard to the time at which I asked for Dr. Primrose's assistance. In endeavoring to recall the circumstances to my memory and on speaking with Dr. Primrose I find that he was not consulted by me with regard to the allocation places or the sizes of these rooms for anatomical purposes, but that he was consulted only with regard to the fixtures, etc. It was only in ':his that I asked for his expert assistance. He was con- sulted in the preparation neither of the March or Or;tober plans, but only after the build- ing was in progress or up. Dr. Adam Wright furnished the size and number and the char- acter of the rooms that would be required to conduct primary teaching in medicine, speaking from his experience in the Toronto School of Medicine building. He may have consulted Dr. Primrose, but I do not know. THE BURSAR.— Re-examined. Dr. Maclarkn. —Does the statement furnished by you to the Registrar giving extracts from the Dunutes of the Board of Trustees commencing February 23rd, 1888, and ending with February 14th, 1889, contain all the references, in the minutes, to the erection of the Biological Building No. 1 (eastern wing) 1 Bursar. — Yes ; I think it does. Dr. Maclaren. — I do not find here any reference to the Senate on the subject. Are you aware or did you communicate with the Senate 1 Bursar. — I think not. Dr. Maclaren. — Are you aware of this subject ever having been communicated to the Senate by any other person 1 Bursar. — No. President. — Examine the October plans and see if you cm find any indications that certain rooms were to be used for medical purposes 1 Bui tion? Bursar (having examined the plans). — I see none. President. — Were there any letters before the Board that would supply such informa- Bubsar. — L think not. 10» for a geological lot changfl the ight generally ? le eastern wing »rd to the time king with Dr. n places or the with regard to He was con- fter the build- * and the char- icine, speaking ave consulted iving extracts 3, and ending ection of the ubject. Are icated to the ioations tliat ich informa- Pbbsident. — Were there any letters or explanation offered by you in sending the plans to the Government ? Bursar. — No ; I do not recollect that I sent tho plans to the Government. President. — Wasany communication made to the Board as to the October plans not providing for mineralogy ? Buksar. — I do not recollect any. Dr. AiKENS, — Did the Senate ever ask for the plan or for any information about the Biological Building No. 1 ? Bursar. — I think not. October 12th, 1892. Present : Justice Falconbridge (Chairman), President Loudon, Chancellor Burwash, Dr. W. T. Aikens, Dr. Maclaren, Dr. Willmott, Mr. Houston, Father Teefy and Mr. Hoyles. The ViceOhancellor, Mr. W. Christie, Dr. A. H. "Wright, Dr. Primrose, Dr. A: B. Macallum and Prof. Ramsay Wright in attendance. MR. WILLIAM CHRISTIE : Chairman. — You have been for some time a member of the Board of Trustees 1 Mr. Christie — Yps ; I was not piesent during the last portion of 1889, being in Europe. I left early in the spring and returned about the first Monday or Tuesday in September. Was present, as appears from the minutes, at the meeting in October, when these plans came u|). Was present at the meeting on April 11th, 1889, when the Order in Council was received. This appears from the minutes, but I cannot remember the occasions. ' President. — Do you remember the Order in Council which was received (April 1 1th) 1 Mr. Christie. — I am afraid I cannot remember it. Don't remember what took place on April 11th. President. — At the meeting of April 11th, Sir Daniel Wilson made an entry of a resolution requesting the Minister to explain how the capital would be replaced 1 Mr. Christie. — I remember that it came up sometime, but my memory is rather hazy. Do not remember the attitude of the Board with regard to that Order in Oouncil, On general principles we would want to know how the capioal would be replaced. Chairman. — You cannot recall anything not found in the minutes about these meetings 1 Mr. Christie. — No. President. — You will understand that this question ordered by the Board to be put to the Government was asking how a deficit would be supplied. Would the Board have mad<> that enquiry if the Board h^d asked the Government to pass the Order in Council 1 Do } ou know who asked the Minister to pass this Order in Oouncil 1 Mr. Christie. — No, I have no idea of protesting against the action of the Board. If I had dissented strongly I would have had it recorded. I thought one duty was to see to the investment of the money of the University and to sae as to paying it out, but any question was beyond my knowledge or ability. 110 The ViceOiiancellor. — The Board was created, I think, in 1878, (but may be in error about the year), by Order in Council, and wa8 called a Fioard of Management, and that is all it ever was in fact. Its powers and duties are described in that Order in Council and when produced will there appear, but for the information of the Committee I may say, that Mr, Christie is ([uite correct in saying that their powers were those of a businf'Hs board. The constitution of the Board was changed once or twice by the addi- tion of nienil)pr8 to it, and the name was changed to that of Board of Trustees, but as far as I renipuiber it was never appointed to determine University policy, as to what direction the University would reach out. Chairman. — That was your view Mr. Christie ? Mr. Christie — That was my iow ; I would never care to take a position which would require me to saj as to University management or policy. Mr. Houston. — In the letter from the Board to the Minister of Education there appears tlm hi ntence : " Tht* Board recognizes the desirableness of erecting, as soon as can i-alely lie done, an p.ddition to the new Science Building already in progress with a view to accoiiiniodiile (Jpology and other departments, and for which plans have been sub- mitted, prepand by the UniverHity Architect, at an estimated cost of $60,000." Did the Board take dimply a biisinenH view of this ? Mr. Christir. — It was purely the financia' aspect, knowing where the funds would come from. Chairman. — Have you any independent recollection of the meeting of October 3rd? Mr. Christie. — I have not. It was three years ago and I cannot remember it. President — On that occasion, Mr. Christie, the.^e (March) plans were laid before you, in which the full object of the building doe.s not appear. You will find a large num- ber of blanks there. Mr. Christie. — I cannot say if I saw them or not, but would not have known if they were suitable or not. I would have to take the advice of others. President. — Were you aware that there were provisions for dissecting ? Mi. Christie. — I understood it was for a Biological Building, and would assume that it would not be complete without it. President.— Were you aware that there were provisions for human anatomy and other purely medical objects 1 Mr. Christie — I do not think I ever knew the exact work to be done there, and so am not sure of that. I would assume that the dissecting of the human body would be a necessary part of biological teaching. President.— We were told by previous witnesses that no explanations were given as to purely medical teaching. Could you tell from an inspection of these plans that there was any such provision ? Mr. Christie.— I would have to examine them carefully ; but I cannot tell what the building Vas to be for. Chairman.— You have indicated that you had devoted some attention to the teaching of Biology. Would you be concerneil to know, in view of what you understood your functions were, about a dissecting-room ? Mr. Ohristik. — No, that was not my duty. I would be incompetent. Mr. Houston.— You then think the Senate should be the body to look after this matter. Mr. Dr. on one Ill (but may be in ^nageraent, and that Order in the Cononiittee were thoso of a 36 by the addi- ;ee8, but as far y, as to what Josition which ucation there "g. as soon as ogress with a lave been sub- 00." Did the e funds would October 3rd 1 ember it. f laid before a large num- ave known if »^ouId assume anatomy and there, and so y would be a 8 were given IS that there 3t tell what ition to the understood »k after this Mr. Christie. — I do not know who should do it. I only know it was not my business. Dr. Maclaukn.— Do you remember Prof. Ramsay Wright being before the Board on one occasion when the plans were there ? Mr. Chkistib. — I remember Prof. Wright being there but cannot say if the plans were there or not. Dr. Maclaurn. — Do you remember an occasion on which a question arose as to whether tho building could be cheapened by lowering walls, dispensing with stonework, etc. 1 Mr. (JiiRisTiE. — I remember it came up sometime, but cannot say if it was when he was there. Dr. Mac'Laren. — Do you remember any members of the Board who took part in that discussion or had something to do in that event, of the Board determining the cheapening . referred to? Mr. Christie. — No, 1 don't. I remember Col. Gzowski's suggestion. Mr. HoYLES. — I see, Mr, Christie, that in the letter of October 3rd it is stated that the purposes for which the building is to be used have necessitated that part of it should be higher than the rest. Do you remember just what the uses were 1 Mr. OiiRiSTiB. — I really don't remember. Vice-Chancellor. — Mr. Christie, you did not concern yourself as to the purposes of the building. Mr. Chrutib. — I gave little care to it. It seemed to be a necessity of the College, Vice-Cuancellob. — As a member of the Board your attitude as to the policy involved in the work, was that you were not to trouble as to the wisdom of the enterprise. You did not deem it a part of your duty, and did not make any enquiry. Mr. Chhistik. — That is the case. Mr. Houston. — On April 11th the Board instructed the Bursar to ask the Miaiater how the money should be raised. Have yon any recollection as to any conclusion that had been arrived at as tu this. Mr. Christie. — No ; I do not remember that the Minister furnished any statement. Mr. Houston. — As a member of the Board which adopted these plans you had not that information as far as you remember 1 Mr. Christie. — No ; I was away very much. Chancellor Burwash. — You will notice, Mr. Christie, the upper story of the building and the height above the contiguous parts. The extreme height is referred to in the letter of Mr. Dick laid before the Board : " The purposes for which the building — higher than the present building." The Board returned ,the plan to Mr. Dick, indicating that this height could be avoided by substituting skylights, etc., without interfering with the purpose for which it would be used. Mr. Christie. — I do not know and cannot say about the other members of the Board. I had but little idea of what was roqaired and no knowledge of details. PROFESSOR RAMSEY WRIGHT.— recalled : Dr. WiLLMOTT. — It came out last evening that you (Prof. W.) were present at the October 3rd, 1889 meeting when the plans were discussed. Who requested you to go Prof. Wright. — I think the Vice-Chancellor requested me. 112 Dr. WiLLMOTT. — Were you present for the purpose of explaining the plans if anyone requested it ? Prof. Wbioht. — Yes ; certainly. There no explanations requested at all. The only remark made was by Col. Gzowski as to the stonework on the upper story, Dr. WiLLiiOTT.— Did you take the plans with you or were they there t Prof. Wrioht. — I think they were theie then. 1 was not present when the plans were discussed. Mr. Houston. — Did you volunteer any in.ormation as to the plans 1 Prof. Wrioht. — None. Went to answer any questions and presumed that the Board would understand that, but did not make any statement. I was there a very short time. DR. ADAM WRIGHT : Mr. Houston. — You have been quite intimate with the whole scheme of this Bio- logical Building from its inception 1 Dr. Wright. — Yes, I have known a good deal about it. Mr. Houston.— How soon did you become aware it was to be for the teaching of medicine 1 Dr. Wrioht. — 1 understood in the winter of 1888 and 1889, as nearly as I can recollect, that there was to bn some provision for the teaching of human anatomy. Mr. Houston. — The matter came before the Board in March, 1889, with the sketch plans, it was sometime prior to that you heard of it 1 Dr. Wright. — Yes. Mr. Houston. — That was before any plans were sketched in any wayl Dr. Wright. — As far as I know, am not sure about that. Mr. Houston. — You thought it a reasonable thing that when a building was to be put up for museum purposes, you thought it should be extended for medical teach- ing? Dr. Wright. — I was always in favor of that. Mr. Houston. — If the museum had had to be made for that eastern wing, might a dissecting-room have been provided for otherwise at just as small expense? Dr. Wright. — My idea was that when the museum was to be there the attic cou Id be used for anatomy, and I do not know of any cheaper plan. Mr. Houston. — Some separate building could have been put up at a little cost. Dr. Wright. — I think it might have been more expensive. Mr. Houston. — After the plans were being matured you were aware that they were being prepared ? Dr. Wright. — Yes ; I saw them more than once or twice, the March and also the October plans. Mr. Houston. — Do you know of your knowledge how many persona were aware of the provision made by the architect for medical teaching in these plans 1 Dr. Wright. — No. if anyone The only the plans the Board ihort time. this Bio- ^eaching of y as I can omy. the sketch mg was to ical teach- ing, might attic cou Id )le coat. they were ad also the e aware of 113 Mr. Houston. — Could you name any whom you know were aware ? Dr. Wright.— Prof. Wright, the architect, the Vice-Uhi.ncellor, Dr. PrimroHe and myself. Mr. Houston. — You knew that there was a policy of secrecy maintained and deter- mined throughout the whole matter? Dr. Wbiqht. — I was asked not to let it be generally known. I was to let no one know. Dr. I'rimrose learned it from me. Dr. AiKKNs — When did you see Dr. Primrose 1 Dr. Wright. — Some time when the plans were being drawn. I really did not know very much about J isaecting rooms, ttnd recoraraended that Dr. Primrose be con- sulted. Told Prof. Wright this ; it was my suggestion. Mr. Houston. — By whom were you requested to be secret 1 Dr. Wkight. — The Vice Chancellor. Mr. Houston. — You don't know of any others whokne>v at that time 1 Dr. Wright. — At that time, no, Mr. Houston. — How soon was it before it began to be noised abroad ? Dr. Wright — I think in 1890 when the buildings were nearly completed. Mr. Houston. — Then, up to that point, the policy of secrecy was successful 1 Di". Wright. — Yes; I think so. Mr. HoYLEs. — Some gentlemen here have said that they considered facilities for human anatomy desirable for the Biological building. Dr. Wright. — Yes, it is recognized in all modern Universities. It is a part of.the recognized system of biology. Mr. HoYLES. — Why do you think it was more economical to do it as it was done ? Dr. Wkight. — The separate building would be a very expensive affair to provide and maintain. I do not see any cheaper way than this. I had not the faintest idea that there would be opposition when it became known. Dr. McLaren. — -When you spoke of secrecy was the request made as to medical teaching generally or as to the dissecting-room ? Dr. Wright. — It applied to the dissecting-room only and not to the other features for medical teaching. Chairman. — Why did you tell Dr. Primrose 1 Dr. Wright. — He had such good knowledge of teaching and of preparing speci- mens, that I thought he would be of far more use to Prot. Wright than I would. Chair-MAN. — Were you present at the public meeting that was held about the opening of the Biological Building 1 (No. 1 ). Dr. Wright. — Yes, in December 1888, in the old part of the building, (No. 1). Chairman. — Was the Vice-Chancellor there ? Dr. Wright. — Yes. 8—51 Chairman. — Do you remember the Minister of Education being there] Dr. Wrkiiit — Yes, I remembei the MiniHter was there. I was delighted with him as he di'iivered an admirable addresH. It was in f.he direction that hi.s Government was proud of fverything ho saw, and his Government was working on the lines of assisting scientific nudicine, He referred to other institutionH, saying that the Government was doing for the human family what they were doing for cattle at Guelph. His remarks on the subject was improssed on my mind by the remarks of Prof. Vaughn afterwards, who said how delightt-d he was at the broad liberality of the Minister. Mr. Houston. — This speech of Mr. Ross's was made in the old Biology Building before anythmg was said or projected about the new building or extension. Dr. Wrujht.— It was in December, 1888. Mr. Houston. — What Mr. Ross then said did not imply that he would approve of the policy pursued in the new building. Dr. Wkioiit. — I do not know as to what he would say as to details. Don't know definitely what -he meant. Mr. HoL'.sTON. — That was before any plana were submitted ] Dr. Wright. — Yes. Mr. Houston. — Did you understand that Mr. Ross said the policy of the Minister of Education was to aid Medical Education by providing out of the capital ? Dr. Wright. — Oh no. I* Presidknt. — Are you able to form an estimate, or have you any knowledge at the relative cost of the two parts of the building into which it would be di vided, if you left out the museum on the one hand, and the rest of the building on the other ? Dr. Wright. — I remember only seeiug the report to the Senate. • President. — Are you aware that during the building of the extension that Mr. Ross denied in the House that the public moneys were being spent for medical teaching^ Dr. Wright. — I think I heard something of that sort ; yes. That was from hear- say J don't remember exactly what was said. President. — Had you any reasons for believing that Mr. Ross did not know of the dissecting-room feature during the 'jrection of the building? Dr. Wright. — I don't know when he knew it. President. — Had you any reasons for believing he did not know ? Dr. Wright. — I do not know that I had any reasons, and was not told when he received his information ; J cannot answer that question. President. — When did you first hear that the Government had discovered [he ex- istence of the dissecting-room feature? Dr. Wright. — I cannot answer that exactly. I fancy it was about the time the building was completed that the members of the Government learned all details, but I know very little about it. Did not hear anything about it except by rumor. President. — From whom did you learn the fact that the Government had made the discovery? Dr. Wright. — I cannot say. I learned it from the ordinary rumor. ed with him rnment was of assiHting 'niiiont wan remarks on •wards, who ;y Building iip|)rov« of Don't know he Minister ledge at the ded, if you her ? on that Mr. il teaching? 1 from hear- know of the d when he red ;Se ex- he time the tails, but I < had made 115 PitEBiDENT. — When you learned this fact did you take any Bteps to inform or con- sult them ? Dr. WnfGHT. — No. Prksidknt. — Were you ever asked during the conntruction what wouM be done when the Government discovered the dissecting room I Dr. Wright. — I think not. Prksidknt. — Were you ever warned that there would be ditliculty when the (iov- ernment found out 1 Dr. Wright. — 1 cannot state specifically. I paid little attention to the (tovern- ment. I nlways feared there would be some trouble but it was in another line. I had heard warnings that when it was found out there might be trouble, but I always feared it from the residents in the park going to the Government and making mischief. Mr. HoYi.KS. — Your warnings then were about the inhabitants of the Park, and not the Government ? Dr. Wright. — Yes. President. — Were you over warned that there would be trouble! Dr. Wright —I heard rumors that there "Mild be trouble. It was when the buil- ding was about completfd. DR. ALEXANDER PRIMROSE: President. — When were you first consulted in regard to these plans ? Dr. Primrose. — I cannot say. President. — Were you consulted as to the sketch plans ? Dr. Primrose. — I could not say as to the date. I was consulted as to the plpns for the building before they were completed. President. — By whom ? Dr. Primrose. — Prof. Ramsay Wright. President. —On what points did you give advice 1 Dr. Primrose. — With regard to the manner in which various rooms could be used for anatomical purposes, as to the arrangements, etc, How the rooms were to be used. President. — Was secrecy enjoined when you were consulted about this matter 1 Dr. Primrose. — Yes ; I wjub asked to say nothing about it. President. — To whom did you understand that the knowledge of this scheme was confided 1 Dr. Primrose. — I do nofknow at all, President. — Had you, before the erection of the building was started, any reason to think Dr. Macallum knew ? Dr. Primrose. — No ; I think not. Do not quite understand the question. There was a time when I was in doubt as to who knew it and who did not, but I think that was after the building was completed. It was after building was completed and rumors ■were flying. ihi Phkridknt. — Dill you hhIc Dr. Macallum if hf knew the HL'oret ? Dr. PitiMRnsK. — No ; 1 think not. No; I cnrt«iuly did not, ax I promised to Hay nothing tiliout it PiiKHipKNT — You are (juite sure you did not pump him in any way '( Dr. pKriMitOHK — I ronifimbftr nothing about it. I mentioned nothing about it. I'uKHiDENT.— Did you ever approach him on the matter before the erection of the building? The Ohairnian disallowed the question. Mr. HoYLES. — We have been told by mi)re than one gentleman that in their opinion it was desirable to provide facilities for teaching human anatomy in the depttrtment of biology. Do you agree with tint ? Dr. Primuosk — I agree with chat. Human anatomy is taught in connection with biology. Mr. HovLEH. — Are such facilities considered suitable und ap,jropriate in most modern universities in connection with biological science ? Dr. Phimkohb. — Yes ; in good universities. Mr. Houston. — Do you think it should be done on so extensive a scale as it is done here ? Was it necessary ? Dr. Phimkose — I think it might have been more so. Mr, Houston. — You think then that viewing human anatomy as a part of biological teaching it was ([uite reasonable to go to the expense we did ? Dr. Primrose — I can hardly express an opinion on that. Mr. Houston. — For the arts teachin<» of biology do you think it necessary that we should go to such expense in providing such extensive arrangement for anatomy ? Dr Primrose. — I have no experience ia arts teaching. Phk.sident. — Do you know in what part of the arts course human anatomy is required 1 Dr. Piumrose. — In the natural science course. I unlerstand in the fourth year, but not exclusively in that year. President. — Have you any information as to the number of students taking anat- omy in the fourth year in the arts course 1 Dr. Primrose. — Last year there were only two or three. Prof. Wright says two. President. — Do you think it advisable then to go .to this expense for the education of these two ? Dr. Primrose. — I think there are indie ttions of increasing numbers this year. I'residest. — But the dissecting room planned there was not mainly for the purpose of teaching these students, but for the purpose of teaching medical students. Was that the main ol ject 1 Dr. Primrose. — I don't know that I can fairly answer that question. I was ques- tioned in regard to it. Prks omy there Dr in all. PuEH Dr. Mr. dents i»ow >rui8e(l to Hay Ijout it. •iL'tion of the tlioir opinion 'purtinent of nectioii with tit« in most as it is done of biological uiy that we 9:ny ? anatomy is fourth year, taking anat- says two. »e education I year. the purpose Was that I was q ues- in all 117 Pkkhidbnt. — Do you know how many pun^iy modical Htudunis an- now lakinj^ anat- oi«y there ? Dk I'himhosk.— This your I tliink there is an averaj,'o of (I.") in hoth years— 130 Pkrhidknt. — Have you any information as to how many there were last yearl l»r. riiiMKOHK. — More than ir<'J. Mr. llovf.KH, — You think that tliero are indications of an incroasfii lumb-r of stu- dents now ( We wore told before that increased facilities often lead to increaned num- bers. Do you agree with that I Dr, Pkimhobk. — Yes ; the prospects are that there will be an increased number. VirK (hiANCKLf.oit. — I would like your opinion as an expert on this. I was told that it was desirable if possible to encourage biological stuilcnts to take liiinian anat- omy in the earlier years as well as in the fourth year. Do you concur in that opinion 1 Dr. Pklmkuhk. — Certainly ; 1 quite concur in it. VicK-CnANCELLOR. — Prof. Wright told me it would be better for stude:it8 if possible to study anatomy with reference to the human system than to the lower orders. I'rof. WiiKHiT, — I think I said that the study of physiology could bo better carried out after a thorough study in human anatomy on account of the great advances which have been made in that as con)pared with the lower formtt. ViCB CiiANCELLOK. — You have heard what Prof. Wright has said. Do you agree with him 1 Dr. PRiMROSii. — Yes ; quite. VicK-CiiANCKLLOR. — So you think it desirable that human anatomy be atiorded to students in biology. Dr. Primrose. — Ye.s. Prof. RAMSAY WRIGHT— recalled : Mr. Houston. — Is any dissecting carried on in the eastern wing 1 Prof. Wkight. — Certainly. Mr. HouBTON. — ^Is there any special room 1 Prof. Wriobt. — No. Mr. Houston. — In what room do you do it 1 Prof. WuioHT. — Today we had it in the Botanical room. Mr. Houston. — If you have any accommodation at all in the eastern room would it not be as well to dissect the human form there 1 Prof. Wright. — X think not. Mr. Houston. — Would it not have been possible to carry on such dissectior? for biological purposes, on the human body as would be necessary, without buildii.^ thib addition ) Prof. Wright. — I think the ViceChancellor considered it desirable to make facili- ties for the medical students of the first two years as well as students in biology. And it is certainly the case that their numbers will be on the increase. 118 Mr. HousTON.—Might not the dissection of the human body for comparative anatomy be carried in the eastern wing f Prof. Wright.— I should not recommend to introduce human anatomy into the rooms intended for th j kinds of dissection carried on there, Dr. A. B. MACALLTJM : President. — During the erection and before the completion of the building, did the Minister of Education send for you 1 Dr. Macallum. — I think the building was up ; just about finished. Prkbidknt. — What was his object in sending for you ? Dr. Macallum. — I can hardly know — (aaswer interrupted). Members objected to the question. President, — What did the Minister say to you 1 The chairman disallowed the question. President. — Did you give the Minister any information ? Dr. Macallum. — Yes ; not on the point he called for. President. — Was this information in answer to questions by the Minister f Dr. Macallum. — Yes. President. — What was the substance of the information 1 Question disallowed by the chairman. President, — Are you aware, Dr. Macallum, that Mr, Ross was not cogaizant of the existence of a dissecting room about this time 1 The chairman disallowed the question. President. — Do you know that Mr. Ross had discovered thai there was to be a dissecting room ] Disallowed by the chairman, , President. — Did you tell Dr. Adam Wright that the L- aster had made the dis- covery that there was to be a dissecting room 1 Question disallowed by the chairman. President. — Have you had uuy conversation with the Vice-Chancellor with regard to the attitude of the Government on this question 1 Dr, Macallum. — Yes. President, — Will you tell the substance of the converdatiou ? Dr, Macallum. — It was to this eflfect — I can give only the substance : The Vice- Ohancellor pressed me to tell him what I knew about the source of the Gcivernment'a information, I told him I had none. President. — Information with regard to what? Dr. Macallum. — The dissecting room. fe anatomy ly into the [ilding, did Jbjected to r? Jgnizant of as to be a ie the dis- ith regard The Vice- ernment'g 119 President. — You told him you had no information 1 Macalldm. — No information except with regard to certain statements made to him, and the inferences drawn. Then I was pressed to give these statements. President.— His object then was to find out from you how the Government bad obtained their information about the dissecting room. Dr. Macallum.— That is what I believe. President. — Have you ever heard anything about any interview between the Min- ister and the Vice-Chancellor with regard to these plans? (referring to the evidence given the night before). Dr. Macallum.— Yes. Chairman. — From whom t Dr. Macallum. — In conversation with Mr. Dick. President. — What did Mr. Dick say to you 1 The chairman disallowed the question. President.— (To Prof. Wright) When did you first hear that the Government had discovered the dissecting room feature in the buildings ? Did you hear that the Govern- ment had objected to the dissecting room feature of the building 1 Prof. Wright. — Yes. President. — When did you first hear that ? Prof. Wright. — In the early winter of 1891, whilst I was abroad. PaEsiDENT. — Could you tell us the source of your information 1 Prof. Wright. — Yes ; the late President, Sir Daniel Wilson. President. — Can you give us the substance of the communication ? Oan you pro- duce the letter 1 Prof. Wright. — No. Mr. Houston. — What stage would the building be in at the time of this commu- nication 1 Prof. Wright. — I cannot say ; the architect can best tell. President — Was anything ever said about the School of Mines project after Sir Daniel's communication to you ? Had you any conversation with Sir Daniel afterwards about this School of Mines ? Prof. Wright. — He spoke comparatively recently about it. President. — Was there, before the completion of the Biological building (No. 2), anything said about it by Sir Daniel Wilson 1 Prof. Wright. — He made no further statement about the School of Mines until in conversation with him comparatively recently he referred to the fact that the Min- ister had the project of a School of Mines at that particular time. President. — What became of the scheme I Prof. Wright. — I did not mention it to anyone else as the communication was confidential. The President did not speak of the scheme to me until recently, until he recalled the circumstance that the Minister had had a project of s\ich. 120 Pkksidknt. — Prof. Cliapman's subsequent (his presents occupation of the building had nothing to do with that sohtiue. You told us that in the summer of 1889 the Minister told jou he had the scheme for a School of Mines. Afterwards Prof. Chap- man occupied a portion of the building as it is now. Had this occupation anything to do witli the original scheme of tiie Minister I Prof. WiiiGiiT. — I cannot understand the question. Pkesident. — Is the present occupation by Prof. Chapman of his present rooms any- thing to do with the fcrmer scheme? Have you, with the pi esent arrangement in the building, a remnant, a part of the Minister's original scheme of a School of Mines 1 Prof. WmciiiT. — The original scheme was to take over Mineralogy from the Uni- versity aiid to make provision for Prof. Chapman in the building. Phksidkx'I'. — Now we find Prof. Chapman using the lecture room and a room oil it. Is his occupation a carrying out partially of the Minister's scheme, and has it been so pro- posed by the Minister 1 Prof Wright, — Do you mean: Did the Minister understand that Prof. Chapman was to occupy his lecture room from the time these plans were drawn 1 Is that equivalent to the question you asked 1 PiiEsiDKNT. — Yes, that would be equivalent to it. Prof. Wright. — That is already contained in my evidence taken the other night. President. — In your way of stating the question there is no reference to the fact that he had a scheme of doing something else. Prof. Wright. — My knowledge of that was from other sources, and 1 did not ques- tion the Minister as to the scheme. Dr. AiKiNs. — When this communication between you and the Government took place was it not about the time the Government had been belabored by Dr. Geikie 1 Dr. Mac'allum. — I cannot .say anything about that; he has belaboied them pretty often. He " belabored " them, if that is the proper word, from July 1890, that is, rumours were going al)0ut that he was " on the war-path " then, and for about ten months or a year after that. 1 can give no evidence on that point. Mr. HoYLES — Y'^ou are Lecturer in human physiology, are you not? Dr. Macallijm. — Yes. Mr. HoYLEs. — What is the relationship between anatomy and biology ? Dr. Macallum. — It is regarded as a part of biology. Mr. HoYLES. — And it is considered desirable to have facilities for teaching human anatomy as far as regards biological science. Dr. Macallum.— I have always contended for that. Mr. HoYLES. — And that is the way it is regarded in all modern universities. Dr. Macallum. — Well, in what I regard as modern. Mr. HoYLES, — For instance, in the University of Cambridge J Dr. Macallum. — Yes. Mr. HoYLES.— Then you consider it a valuable part of biological science 1 Dr. Macallum. — I think a modern university should teach the subject. building 1889 the of. Chap- anything )oms any- nt in the s? the Ufii- Dom off it. n so pro- Chapman quivalent aight. the fact not ques- lent took kie-i m pretty , rumours ths or a human 121 Mr. H0YLE8.— Then you think it desirrthle in a modern university that facilities should be given for the study of human anatomy in connection with biological science 1 Dr. Macallum. — Yes. Mr. HovLES. — Is there any reason wliy human physiology should be represented in arts and human anatomy not 1 Dr. Macallum.— No reason except policy and want of funds. As far as propriety, one might as well be represented as the other. Mr. Houston. — Dr. Macallum, you are not professor of liumin physiology '( Dr Macallum. — I am professor of physiology. I do not know that there is such a •ubject as human physiology. Mr. Houston. — You deal entirely with animal physiology — all kinds of animals including human [ibysiology ? Dr. Macallum. — Yes. Mr. Houston. — You would consider biolojjy to include human anatomy 1 Dr. Macallum. — Yes. Mr. Houston. — A good luboratory for dissecting bodies other than human might po.ssibly be made suitable for the dissection of human bodies on a limited scale? Dr. Macallum. — 1 hat touches on a difficulty in the law. I am not fully conversant with all the requirements of an anatomical laboratory, but the legal side of the question is the strongest objection. Mr. Houston. — Are there any mechanical difficulties in the way ? Dr. Macallum. — I am not sure that there are, and would not say anything on that point. Mr. HoYLES. — You heard Prof. Wright say that there were many objections to com- bining the dissecting of human anatomy with other anatomy 1 Dr. Macallum. — My reasons are different from his, though 1 take the same position. We would have to have another member of the staff". There are many other reasons. VicE-OnANCELLorr — Will you fix the date when you said I had an interview with you? Dr. Macallum — I have no recollection as to the exact date. It was in 1891, daring Prof. Wright's absence in Germany. ViCE-CnANCELLOR. — I shall give my version of that interview ; At the time that Dr. Macallum refers to, the dissecting had been in use for that session. During Professor Wright's absence, trouble had been made I think with the Government (I have reason to believe so) about the work we were engaged in doing. Some person, or persons, had been stirring up mischief and, to use a vulgar expression, loading the Govern- ment up against this arrangement, and I desired to obtain statistics from Dr. Macallum as to the connection between source of the leading universities of the old world — their connection with medical science. Professor Wright was away and therefore I called upon Dr. Macallum, and Dr. Macallum informed me who it was that had gone to the Govern- ment to poison their minds against the University being connected with medicine. He gave me the name of the person who told him that he had been to the Government, and Dr. Macallum is quite in error when he said 1 inquired of him the source of the Govern- ment's knowledge as to the dissecting room. What I did ask him was who was instigat- ing the Government against us It was not to seek information as to who told the Govern- ment about it, but who was inciting both the Government, and I think Dr. Geikie, at all «vents, was inciting the Government. Prk&ident. — Did this interview that you refer to between you and the Vice-Ohan- cellor take place when ho went to consult you about statistics 1 Dr. Macallum. — No ; there is a mistake there. Vick-Ohancbllok. — You brought them to me you remember. Dr. Macallum. — Yes; but the interview in question took place in the Biological Departrannt. There were two interviews on the subject altogether. President.— Did you state to the Vice-Chancellor that any one had been poisoning the mind of the Government? Dr. Macallum. — I did not use the word "poison " I repeat, I wag asked as to how the Government knew and I said I had certain ideas about it. I was pressed to give them. President. — Did you inform the Vice-Chancellor that any one had poisoned the mind of the Government ? Dr. Macallum. — I did not use the word "poisoned " at all. 1 told him I knew the Government knew about the dissecting room. President. — Did you tell him that some one had gone to them to inform them t Dr. Macallum. — I did not say that any one had gone, but that some one had an interview on that question. Phesidbnt. — Who was the individual ? Dr. Macallum. — It was yourself. Professor Loudon. President. — Did you not know that the Government had come to me as I publicly stated before the Vice-Chancellor and 45 members of the Senate on June 3rd last. The chairman disallowed the question. President. — Did Mr. Mulock tell you that somebody had incited the Government against the dissecting room feature ? Dr. Macallum. — No ; he simply wanted to know how the Government got their infor- mation. President. — Did he say to you that some person had been loading up the Govern- ment against the movement 1 Dr. Macallum. — No ; he did not say that. President. — Did he indicate to you the.t that I had been making trouble with the Government 1 Dr. Macallum. — He did not say that ; he simply wanted to find out. President. — In the subsequent interview did he say I had been going to the Govern- ment 1 Dr. Macallum, — In the subsequent interview ho made some such remark. President. — Do you remember the remark I made to you 1 Dr. Macallum. — Yes. President. — Did I tell you that the Government had come to me in regard to the matter t Question disallowed. U:i ice-Ohan- President.— Did I not tell you that I was astounded to learn that the Government did not know that there was a dissecting room there. Question disallowed by the chairman. President. — (To the Vice-Chancellor) did you ever mention ray name iu this con- nection to any one else but Dr. Macallum. Vice-Ohancblloh. — I may have mrntioned that you had gone to the Government. I had other sources besides Dr. Macallum. Moved by Mr. Houston, that the inquiry into the circumstances connected with the erection of the addition to the Biological building be adjournel until an opportunity is afforded of getting a statement from the Minister of Education as to his relation to the scheme in its various stages, and more especially as to the time when he became aware that provision was to be made in the building for the dissection of human bodies and the teaching of primary anatomy for medical purposes. Lost on the following division : Yeas— The President, Mr. Houston. Nays— Chancellor Burwash, Mr. Hoy las, Dr. W. T. Aikini, Dr. Willmott, Rev. Father Teefy, Dr. Maclaren. Moved by Mr. Houston, that the next meeting be in the Burnr's office on Friday at 4 p.m. Carried. Moved by Mr. Hoyles, that Chancellor Burwash, Dr. Maclaren and the Chairman be a Committee to draft a report and submit at next meeting. Carried, the President dis- senting on the ground that the evidence was not complete. Dr. Maclaren moved adjournment. Carried. Oct. 14th, 1892. The members of the Committee all present. The Vice-Chancellor, Prof. Ramsiy Wright and Prof. Pike, iu attendance. A copy of the Order in Council re th"? constitution and jurisdiction of the Board of Trustees was read, The Chairman stated that a report had been drafted by the sub-committee. The President objected to the report being read until all the evidence was in. Mr. Houston desired the presence of Prof. Chapman before the report was made. The President moved, That before reporting on the question of the erection of the Biological Building No. 2, the Minister of Education, Hon. G, W. Ross, be invited to give evidence on the siibjxt of the information furnished and the knowledge he had in the matter Hnd also upon the following statements made by him in a letter dated March 11th, 1890, to Dr. Geikie and printed in a Return to an Order of the Legislative As- sembly of April 29, 1891 : (1) "No part of the income of the University is used for the maintenance of the Medical Faculty or the erection of buildings for the accommodation of the medical students." (2) " As the Government does not now given any aid to the Medical Faculty or the University of Toronto, either by the piyment of the salaries of the professors or in providing for its buildings or their equipment independent medical colleges can have no claims for puViIic airl. Ilappi'y for Ontario the various Icarrifd profeFsions ))iovide for their own education, and tlie disjiosal of public moneys for s-uch a pirpose as you HUgf^i st is, therefore, unnecessary." Lost on followinfj division : Ykas. — The President. Mr. Houston, 2. Nays. — Principal Oaven, Chancellor Burwash, Dr. Aikins, Dr. Willmott, Father Teefy, Mr. Hoyles and Dr. Maclaien, 7. Tiie President moved, That the Hon. Edward Ulake, Chancellor of the Luiversity, be invited to attend before the Comniittee for the purpose of being examined on his knowledge of matters jiertainina; to (he Biological Building and on the following state- ments, one puV)licly made by him in his commencement address of Junt; 10th, 1892, and the other read l)y him before the Senate in June, 1891, the V. 0. being in the chair. (1) As to the teaching faculty in medicine, the University posssesscd, even some years ago, oV)vious and great advantages in connection with its general departments, lor example, biology, chemistry and physics, for giving instruction of the most valu- able kind at the cheapest rate to those intending to enter that noble profession. The great development during the last generation of these sciences, thei/ increa-iing imp)rtrtnce and the improved methods of practical instruction demanded, for the purposes of general education, a larue increase in these facilities. To the advanta^'es so existing and created, it was obvious that students in medicine should have free acci ss on at lerst as favourable terms as those oil'ered to any other students. And this impregnable position gave the Uni- versity a commsmding place, enabling her to offer, in connection with the medical faculty, substantial and indeed unrivalled inducements to intending students The medical faculty was organized, the arrangements as to fees were made, and the addition to the Biological Building was put under contract, at a time when circumstances did not yet allow me to participate actively in the details of University manarement ; and, though informed and interested as to the general principles of action, I had no cognizance of these deuils. But, not very long after I hst addressed you, some of the University authoritie.-i were in- formed by members of the government that they had not, till a short time before, been made aware of the object of part of the addition to the Biological Building, or understood the working of the arrangements as to fees. In the course of the discussions which ensued members of the Government stated that their understanding and intpntion, policy and pledges, as signified in their minutes and resolutions, and declared in the Assembly, were that the medical faculty should involve no substantial charge on the resoures of the Uni- versity of Toronto ; that the addition to the Biological Building was proposed and sanc- tioned for the science departments of the University exclusively and not for the medical teachini; of anatomy ; and that no part of the endowment funds or fees of the University, except such as arose out of the medical teaching, were to be applied towards the expanses of the establishment of the medical faculty. They pointed, as supporting their view as to the building, to th'^ minutes and to the resolutio-i of the Assembly authorizing a building expenditure of 660,000 out of the endowment for the pur()oses of the science departments of the University, and to the abience of any indication on the plans of an intentiion to provide for the medical teaching of anatomy. They pointed, as supporting their views as to the fees, to the minute of 2'2nd August, 1887, providing for the appointment of the medical faculty, which directs : That the bursar of the University of Toronto shall keep, in a separate book ])rovided for the purpose, an account of all receipts and expenditures whatsoever, having reference to the said medical faculty, and that in no case shall he certify to the payment of any ox])en3e whatever in- curred on account of the said medical faciUty from any of the trust fuixls, endowment or other fees received by the Univoisity of Toronto, except such as arise frfini the establishment of the medical faculty. They declined the view that the inclusion of certain arts professors in the list of the members of the medical faculty juslided the appropriation of fees for tuition in those arts subjects to medical faculty purposes. And they referred on both questions to their public 12" pledges anH declarations in the Assenihly. Tliey stateil that they had lately ascertained that the addition to the Biological Building wa^ designed, not wholly for the science pur- poses of the University, Imt partly for the niedic-il teaching of anatomy ; and that they had lately understood that exaininatijn and dej;ree fees and tuition foes, for services rendered at the expense of aits or general funds, were heing put to the credit of the medi- cal faculty fundf. They added that the action taken in these matters, being in contra- vention of their iinderatnnding and intention, p)licy and pledges, could not be maintained and that the existing arrangements must be modified ; and they requested U3 to devise some plan under which the addition "o the biological building should, according to the authority for its construction, be devoted exclusively to the science purposes of the Uni- versity, and some arrangement under which the general or arts funds should receive the fees referred to These positions of the Uovernme t appeared unassailable. It seemed clearly our duty to endeavor to meet their views. And, indeed, a large part of the time of some of us has bi-en ever since devoted to efforts to disentangle, with the least possible disturbance of existing arrangements, and the least damage to the imp triant interests con- cerned, the complications in which thest! questions had become involved. My own sympathies have always been strongly in fivor of th'i establishnent of a m-ilictl faculty on a tirm and etHcient footiiia; with tli*i iminediat' full use of all faoiiities p )ssessed, or which could, without great added cost, bj provide(l V)y the University in connection with its general departments. My individual view has aLso been in favour of an eff')rt to obtain public; sanction to the application, as soon as public opinion on the one hand and our prior obligations on the other hand, would allow, of University funds, particularly towards the dwelopmeat of the preventive and hygienic departments of medicine, and of other scientifii; branches, such as anatomy and |»athology, which, rrquiring the whole time and enerj;y of the in- structors, cannot be efficiently taught on the modest scale of payment possible in the ctse of men whose professorial work is compatible with or helpful to their professional advance- ment. But I i.ave alwiys recognized these two positions : first, th it our primary duty and our solemn obligition was to plaje on a fair foiting of efficiency the general depart ments, and this all the more urgently of late inview of the precise obligations of the Con- federation Act, of its effect on the University and on University Oollege, and of the increase 1 inad'^quioy of oiu' tutorial strength to dMl with our enlarged clissus; and secondly, that in tiiis, as in all other respects, we must deal frankly and loyally with the public authorities whom ws serve ; and must endeavor to e.Kecute the declared public will. As I said in Convocition this day eigiit years ago : 'file ijraduates elect a part of tlio Senate ; Oonvo^ation lias been establishoirt of the Senate ; the Govern- iiiei t o.Verci.si s its judginoiit as to whether tiie statutes i)f the Senate are good or not, and witli- out the assent of ttie E.Kocutivo Coimcil they are iuoporative. The (inveraiiient appoints the profess(U'.s, .-lud eoutr.ils iind decides on the wisdom of the financial scheuies with reference to the endowment which may be i)roi)iised friim time to time. This is a [)ublic institutii .., maintained out of pubtio funds f(U' public pur|Mises, and tlio essential condition upon which it can continue is that it be under the control of the resjK.uaible (loveriiment of the day through the media to which 1 have referred. It was the duty of those entrusted with the man.igeuient of the institution loyally to carry out tha public policy, loj-ally to endeavor to give effect to the public will, and that has been their effort. Therefore 1 thought and think tha^., in respect to the application of University funds especially to medical education, our duty is to endeavor to mould public opinion, to press our views on the Executive, the l.,egislature, and the intelligent masses of the c )iumnnity : to urge on them the position, which I have so often reiterated, that the professions exist for the public, not the public for the professions ; and to instil into their minds the idea that it IS of the greatest and most direct public importance that medical educition in Ontario should be improved, and that its improvement is a fitting function of this University. Thus may we expect that l.y .,he time, I hope not very remote, at which the revival of pros- perity in Toronto shall so increase our incotue as t > enable us to act, public opinion may be ri, e for the allowance of our action, ileantime I felt that it was our plain duty to endeavor 126 so to chango the arrangements us to meet the views on which the Executive and Legislature had given the University power to act, and in pursuance of which they understoud it had been acting. This was a work of much difticulty and complication ; but I rejoice to say that it has been accomplished. The examination and degree fees have been restored to the general funds, the medical faculty, as was right, receiving the established payments for such examinations a." are conducten by members of the statF. Long continued attempts at other and k'ss satisfactory solution.^ having failed, a comprehensive scheme of tuition fee.s lias been I'dopted for all occasional students, basi d on the numbers of lectures taken, and having just relation tc the very moderate fees charged for general or matriculated .students TJiis scheme applies to all medical students, from whatever quirter, taking arts subjects ; and under it the general funds, which are to provide the accommodation anl the instruction, will be cri'dired with the receipts. As to the Biological Building addition, it was found impossible to adapt it Batisfactnrily to the permanent purpo.se.s of either the chemical or the geogical departments ; and, indeed, I was very anxious to reach some solution le.s8 disturbing than such a change. We eventually succeeded in arranging that a substantial rental and the expenses of maintenance and repairs should be paid out of the medical faculty funds for the accoinmodation they are recci in;; in this building, for ex- clusively medical teaching purposes ; thus, as nearly as possible under the circumstances, conforming to the policy and undcrstai; ig of the public authorities. I need not say that these changes involved a considerable draft on tlie resources of the medical faculty, and intensilied the difficulties of that through leorganization of the faculty wliich we have within a few weeks been called upon to effect. But, after careful and prolong! d considera- tion, we have been able to devi.«t' a plan which has received the all but unanimous ap- proval of the Senate, which has been cordially accepted by the great bulk of the faculty, and which I am confident has given enormous additional strength and efficiency to the department. Our best thanks are due to the many eminent practitioners, who have agreed, in order to to secure this result, to accept scanty and inadequate compensations ; and who, animated by a spirit and devotion deserving of the highest praise, have deter- mined to make the medical faculty of the University of Toronto a great and triumphant success. The future is theirs ! With the unrivalled advantages in the scientific depart- ments which we have in possession and prospect ; with the admirable system we have just inaugurated ; with our excellent accommodation for anatomical and pathological teaching; with the strong stafl" now in charge; with those improvrd arrangements for clinical facilities at the hospital which we have been laboring, I hope successfully, to eftect, I am confident that we shall still further swell our already ir ..easing numbers, still further demonstrate our absolute and relative effioiency, and make the medical faculty of the University one of the greatest blessings to the Province and one of the strongest props to the institution. Its success wiil measurably improve the emoluments of those of its teachers who are practitioners ; and its proved advantages will give in the future another title to call for fair recognition of any claim for such assistance as I have indicated, to whatever extent the replenished condition of our treasury may at the time allow. (2) "The President, the Vice Chancellor and I were asked to meet the Executive Gov- ernment. Amongst other things we were told thatthe Government had just heard of the fact that a large part of addition to the Biological Building was designed mainly for tlie study of Human Anatomy by the Medical students; and of the fact that it contained dissecting rooms for the use of Medical students ; that the Government had not understood this previously ; that the Government had acted thoroughout in relation to University afTairs in the view that the creation of the Medical faculty should not impose any appreciable extra burden on the resouices of the University for the training special to that branch ; that this was their avowed policy ; that in their opinion a change ought to be made in the existing plans." Lost on the following division : Yeas. — The President, Principal Oaven, Mr. Houston, Mr. Hoyles. — 4. Navs. — Chancellor Burwasb, Dr. Willmott, Father Teefy, Dr. Aikins, Dr. Mac- Laren. — 5. 127 PROFESSOR RAMSAY WRIGHT.— Recalled. Prksidbnt. —When I say human anatomy, T mean practical human anatomy. How many universities do yoii think in France, Germany, England and America are there where biology is xtudied 1 Is there a lar;,'e number ? Prof. Wrkjiit. — I cannot say how many. Phksident— Is practical human anatomy in French, German, English and Ameri- can Universities considered to be a part of an ordinary biological course of study in arts t Prof. Wriout. — In the most advanced of Universities. President. — Name some Universities which make it a part of the bioloa;icil work Prof. Wrioht — Cambridg(3, and I think the University of Pennsylvania. Prbsidevt— How long is it since thit has been the case in Pennsylvania 1 Prof. WRUiHT. — Some years. President. — Was practical human anatomy exacted last year, or in the fourth year, of any student in the biological arts course] Prof. Wrujut. — Two students took advantage. President. — Was it exacted ! Prof. Wright. — It was not specifically exacted by the University curriculum 1 President. — It was not exacted of them ? Prof. Wrioiit. — Not specifically exacted. President. — Is it (practical human anatomy) or has it been required by the curri- culum of any of the biulogical students in arts 1 Prof. Wriuiit. — It has not been specifically required. President. — Is it required at all by the curriculum 1 Prof. Wrioiit. — -Anatomy is required. President. — Is practical human anatomy required"} Prof. Wrkjiit. — Practical human anatomy is not specified as the kind of anatomy required. President. — Has a practical examination on the subject been necessary for biolo- gical students in arts 1 Prof Wrkjiit. — No practical examination has been held in the fourth year. The laboratory work does. President. — So tar as the arts students then are concerned the dissecting room has not been required for the work laid down in the curriculum. Prof. Wright. — It has been an advantage to the students to avail themselves of the facilities ofiered by it. Vice Chancellor. — I think Prof. Ramsay Wright that you told me that you would be glad to have your students do human anatomy in the dissecting room. Prof. Wright. — Oh certainly. I would regard it as important that there should be facilities for it. VickChancku-oh. — I think you told me that you liatl oont students to the medical dinsfctin^ roomH to do it. I'rof. Wrhiiit. — Yes. VicK CiiANCKLLoa. — And \ think you told me at the saino time we were contom- platiii<{ plans for this building. Prof. WRKiiiT. — Yes. Viok-Chancki.i.ou. — And you impreaseil it upon me that it would be of advantage that lacilitifs should be given to students who wish to do their anatomy. Prof. Wrioht. — Yes, it is very advantageous to have such facilities. Prbsidknt. — rf it is advantageous why have you not taken steps to make it compulsory ? Prof. VVrioht. — I have had it in my mind. Pke.sii)ENT. — But nothing ha" '/een done. Prof. Wrujiit. — Anatomy is included in the work of the fourth year, but it is not s|tecified what particular animal should be dissected. We hive been constantly improv- ing our work in the department, and we have privileges of improving it farther. Mr. Houston. — What number of students did you Hay took it last year 1 Prof. Wright. — Two. President. — What proportion of honor students in the fourth year would this be — of those taking biolojjy I Prof. Wrkwit — The whole of them. Professor Wright wished to correct his evidence as given at pa,>e 46, f lot. In making that answer to Father Teefy's question I did not understand the full bearing of the ijiipstion. My intention was to repeat the statement which I had made previously that during the preparation of the plans it was my improHsion that Mr. Ross undi rstood that facilities were being provided for the completion of the first and second year teaching in the University group of buildings. PROF. W. H. PIKE. Presioent — You remember that in the spring of 1889 (Mirch 20) an Order in Oouiicil for $(30,000 was passed for the purpose of erectinLj buildi'igs for the scientific departments of the Univer-nty. Shortly after that you had an interview with the Vice- Chaticellor with regard to the purpose for which thit mmey wis to 1)^ spent. Will you state the suhstui.-e of that interview in question 1 Prof. PvKE — I had an interview with the Vice Chanopllor at a meeting of the Sen- ate, of wliich 1 was then a member. As far as 1 remember the interview, it consisted in my comnuini ;ating to Mr. Mulock that I had received information from the Minister of Education that $60,000 had been set aside for the .special purpose of building a chemical laboratory. I stated that I was greatly surprised that I had not been informed of this, and I asked Mr. Mulock if he understood that to be the case. All of that was written on a piece or pnpcr at a meeting of the Senate and handed by me to him. No reply was given during the meeting of the Senate, and after the meeting I again verbally pressed this inquiry. The exact nature of the reply I got I do not remember, but I considered it very ofl'ensive, and after some hot words 1 remember the Vice Chancellor informed me, first, that the Minister knew nothing of what he was talking about , >ind second, he sug- gested that i should supply the funds. There the interview terminated. ho meaical ■e contrni- ad vantage o make it it it is not y iiuprov- ler. Id this be b. 1 the full had made Mr. Rosa ind second Order in I seientitic the Vice- Will you tf the S(Mi- onsisted in ^linister of a chemical ed of this, as written reply was ly pressed Qsidered it jrmed me, id, he sug- 129 Mr, HouBton moved, That this Committee has been appointed "To inquire and report upon any or all matters connocted with the erection of the Biological Building" ; that one of such niatters is the (juestion whether it was a proper and justitiable expendi- ture of University funds to provide therewith accommodation for the dissection of human bodies for medical teaching purposes, and also for the teaching of anatomy and other sub- jects of the first two years of a medical school course ; that the order passed by the Lieuten- ant-Governor in Council on tha 20th of iMaich, 1889, appropriating $60,000 out of the " permanent funds " belonging to the University endowment, for the .erection of the addi- tion to the Biological Building, recites that the money is to be spent in providing " better facilities for the science department of the said University " ; that attempti have been made to justify the devotion of a larjje portion of the said building to medical Umching purposes by so defining the term " scientific department " in the above order as to make it include the medical teaching of anatomy and the subject of primary medicine ; that in view of these attempts it is necessary, to the proper carrying out of this inquiry, to obtain from members of the Executive (,'ouncil who wore piosent at the meeting which passed the order of the 20th March, 1889, appropriating $60,003 for the erection of the said Biological Building, and those present at the meeting which passed the order of the 8th November, 1889, approving of the plans for the same buihling, an authoritative statement of the intention of the Council as to the kind of science to be taught in the proposed building ; and that the Executive Council be invited to furnish siich a statement for the information of the Oommiltee. I^ost on the following division : Ykas. — The President, Mr, Ifouston. Nays. — Principal Caven, Chancellor Burwash, Father Teefy, Dr. Willmott, Dr. W. T. Aikins, Mr. Hoyles, Dr. Maclaren. Mr. Houston moved, That Prof. Chapman and Dr. Ferguson be asked to attend thia Committee. Lost. The President moved, That before reporting on the erection of the Biological Build- ing, the members of the Executive Council who passed the Order in Oounoil for the expen- diture for the said building for science purposes, and who approved of the plans and secured the sanction jf the Legislative Assembly, be invited to attend to state what information was furnished them and what knowledge they possessed as to the designs of the plans submitted to them. Dr. Willmott moved in amendment, That in the opinion of this Committee it is not expedient for them to in([uiie in any way into the discharge of their duties by the mem- bers of the Executive Government of this Province. Carried unanimously. On the ground that this motion was not an amendment to his, the President again moved his motion. The Chairman ruled it out. The Chairman presented the draft report. Mr. Hoyles moved. That this Committee adjourn in order to give members an oppor- tunity 10 peruse the evidence and consider the report. Lost on division : Yeas. — The President, Mr. Houston, Mr. Hoyles. — 3. Nays. — Dr. Willmott, Principal Caven, Father Teefy, Dr. Aikins, Dr. Maclaren. — 5. The report was then considered paragraph by paragraph. Principal Caven moved that the following be substituted on page 16 : " The Committee is not to be held as expressing approval of any secrecy practiced in regard to any of the purposes of the building." Carried on the following division : Yeas. — President, Dr. Caven, Dr. Willmott, Dr. Aikins, Mr. Hoyles, Mr. Houston. —6. j^AYS. — Chancellor Burwash, Dr. Maclaren. — 2. Dr. Aikins movad that the drafted report be adopted as the report of the Oommittee, Carried. 9—61 180 Tn purauanco of hin promiiiA to supply information aaknd for by the Preaid«nt on Ootobnr 1 Itli, tlin architect gavo tlie followini; careful luoaHuroiuenta : Tlio tigurea reprimnnt Ncjuaro foot of floor area. Skktcii 13, Marou 19, 1889. Space devoted to Musouin 9,360 " Geology and Mineralogy 4,109 " Medical Department 8,444 Mezzanine, unappropriated 612 (^^aretttkor'u house, boiler room, etc., common to ail departments . . . 3,576 26,100 Space included in Medical department as above, but intended alio to be UHed for Geology and Mineralogy 2,393 Working duawinob of Builuings as oahribd got. Space devoted to Museum 8,612 " Medical Department 14,042 Space common to both departments " 305 Ii6,049 I have kept my notes and shall be glad to give fuller details if it is necessary. 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