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Les diagrammes suivants illustrent la mdthode. 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 MICROCOPY RESOLUTION TEST CHART (ANSI and ISO TEST CHART No. 2) I 4.5 110 m [3.6 14.0 2.5 2.2 2£ 1.8 ^ ylPPI-IED IN/HGE Inc ^S 1653 Eos! Moin SIfeel ~«S Rochester. New York 14609 USA ^S ("6" 482 - 0.00 - Phone ^= (716) 288 - 5989 - Fox CLAIMS /d\ OF EDWARD QUIJVN, LUMBERER, pon mmm mim m mnmmT, m mm sdstimed w thi ST. lilEICE TERRIIORT. QUEBEC- PRINTED BY AUGUSTIN COTfi & c«. 1658. ''i^&-- X , i Quebec^ \ 1858. Sir, J beg leave respectfully to lay before you the accompa- nying statement respecting my claims against the Government for indemnity and request for the same a perusal at your hands. I have the fumor to be, Sir, Your obedient humble servant, EDWARD QUINN. Statement 0/ the claims of Edward Quinn, Lumberer, for indemnity against the Government for losses sustained in the St. Maurice territory. In venturing to Jay before the honorable members of the Provincial Parliament, and the public, a statement of my claims against the Government of this Province for losses sustaiiiid by me in lumbering operations on the river St. Maurice and its tributaries, and other just claims indirectly connected therewith, I am impelled by the thorough con- viction which I entertain of the attention and justice which a plain and simple recital of these claims will receive at their hands, and will endeavour to submit the same in as concise manner as possible. The grounds upon which they are made are not only of a private but also of a public nature, inasmuch as the great improvements made by me have had' the effect of opening up one of the most important tracts of country in the province and thereby greatly enhancing the value of the government domain, and materially increasing the revenue thereof. I am desirous of being understood tha*, until I commenced lumbering on the St. Maurice, little or nothing was known of the vast resources of thai country, and if the Territory has of late been brought into public notice it is mainly due, as is well known, to the deter- mined perseverance with which I commenced and conti- nued my operations therein, and contrary to the advice of many practical men who would have dissuaded me from the enterprise, and to my endless struggles against the al- most insuperable obstacles which I had to encounter in opening it up. I will, however, submit my case to your consideration, trusting that, under our present system of Goveiament the just claims of an individual for losses sustained in confer- ring a public benefit on the Province will be fairly, and impartially considered, and that when the facts are fully known that I will obtain ample and full redresa of the grievance of which I now complain. EDWARD QUINN. In the winter of 1850-51 my brother, who was connected with me 1.1 business at tKit time, and myself were engaged m getting out Lumber in the Township of Shawanagan, near Three Rivers, having reason to believe from report that large quantities of timber and of good quality was to be had on the river St. Maurice and its tributaries. In the month of February, 1851, we equipped and sent to the woods at considerable expense an exploring party, all of whom were well acquainted with Timber hunting in the upper province, and in whose knowledge we had full confi- dence, with instructions that when they got a certain dis- tance up the river, say about 130 miles, they wore to separate, part of them to goon either side of the St. Maurice and explore the rivers Vermillion, and Tranche, the former ni which enters into the St. Maurice about 126 miles north of Three Rivers, and the latter eight miles further up the St. Mau- rice. This was done for the purpose of getting a correct and reliable report as to the quantity and quality of the Timber as well as to the prospect of bringing it down the rivers. The report having been thus obtained, and being of a very encouraging nature, we were tempted to embark in the Lumber business on the St. Maurice with all the means at our disposal. We were worth on that £15,000, indepea- dant of all liabilities, with almost ui.baunded credit. On the strength of the above report, we applied in the usual way lor limits, according to the then existing timber regulations, at the same time making tiie necessary deposit of money with the crown timber agent of the district, and for which we never got credit in any shape. In the following summer we open... roads &,.. and in short .pared nocxponso i^ n,aki^ preparat,on. lor carrying on an extensive business; eneou- agement being held out that the Government were about to improve the nver in such manner that the Timber would ccme down in safety. wuum With the view of being prepared when the improvements should be oven partially made, we eoileeted and forwarded a enormous expense all descriptions of supplies. Some Idea may be formed of the diffieulty of gett ng up Ze supphes-in the state the riv.. and Ter'ritory'was at the time-when ,t is known that the transport alone from Three Rivers eost l^d. per lb. avoir du poids, for every pound that wem there for all the iron work, ehains, grindstones anu all materials as well as pork, flour, &c. ; added to this, we were ob iged, owing to the many portages, to have all our pork and flour unpacked, the pork put into half barrels, and the flour into bags, so as to be carried on men's back., large quantities of which were destroyed on the journey. We con- cluded that the loss occasioned thereby was equal to at least another 1 Jd. per pound, thus making the whole of our supplies cost 3d. per pound for land and river carriage from lliree Rivers to our chantiers. Even under these disadvantageous circumstances we forwarded pretty large supplies for the first winter's opera- tions; not that we expected to make money that season, but for the purpose of obtaining and maintaining a footing in he "Territory," and while we did not expeft any l^Z from the Government, by way of encouraging an underta- king oi this nature, surrounded as it was with difficulties and great risk, even from the most favorable point of view and when a considerable amount of money was to be ex- nlt'^ '? \'^'''"'' ^"'°"^'' ''' inhabitants, the greater number of whom were hitherto unprofitably employed, and While, as I stated above, we expected no favors from the Go- vernment, it never entered into our mind that we would not get justice from what we considered a paternal and w-rr.- uiblo Government freely chosen by a Iree people. How' far we were justified in our honest confidence will be seen by the sequel. Well, we headed in with all our meana to that howling wilderness, and commenced making timber at a distance of over 100 miles from any inhabitant, without roads., un- less those made by ourselves ; we went in not as squatters or trespassers but in accordance with the laws of our rounln/. and in conformity with the Crown Timber regulations in force all over the province at the time. We made timber that winter, and owing to the roughness of the river, no im- provements having been mpde except towards its mouth, we lost £1750 on that season's operations, which in part might have been expectc '■ ; but we did not calcu- late upon so heavy a losg. This was rather serious, but still we persevered hoping that we would ultimately succeed, the government having appropriated large sums of money for the improvement of the river. Thus fairly into it, any person acquainted with the lumber business can see that it was impossible for us to retrace our steps, without an almost entire sacrifice of the whole of the stock and materials at the chanliers, amounting at this stage ol the proceedings to over £3,000, as the freight and expenses down would have cost as much as to king them up. The report of timber being in abundance, and of good quality, spread far and wide, and people from diflerent parts of the country were applying for timber berths ; this we en- couraged, looking upon it as advantageous to us in assisting in making and keeping roads, and encouraging the Govern- ment in making the improvements. Our timber coming to market in the spring of 1853, and being of superior quality, at once established the character of the " Territory," and increased in the public mind -> 8 desire for berths upon which to make Umber. Application land^ " ^r"^ '" *^ that extent that the Crown Lands office seemed to be overwhelmed with them, and in consequence the ordinary way of granting iicens s up n cfd'frtn"'nT'"'''^°P '"' the Government having de- cided to sell the unoccupied limits by public auction A survey or exploration of the « Territory 'Moorplaclw ^Z'Z'r^'^r''^''''' theexteland bol7a;ie3 of each hmit were shown. AH this was done with the under- standmg that the rights of the parties operating in the Ter ntory would be respected. Certain limits were^a^L ted Ind reserved to each party carrying on actual operations Such fthrctZT.^'n"""^'^ entirely at the discretion of the Crown Lands Department, without much respect or sTrvationT f S T'u "^^'^-"^ -PP-- that these re- vTh the ; 'b , •'"' '^°"^^ ^' ^^^^ ^" accordance the til T T^'''°"' ^ ^^'^^ ^" °^«' ^he Province at the time the applications were made, and previous to the outlay by those parties of large sums of money in improve- ments thereon ; but such was not the case. ^ The name of the St. Maurice territory having spread all over the Province and part of the United'^States.Y^eat ru^ was madeinthemonthofOctober, 1852,fromm;ny%?r^^^ m ts thQrem. In the heat of this excitement the sale of xmits took place, and such a sale I believe never ws be fore seen m this country; fabulous prices were paid in the twen vl""t Tf ""^' '' "^"^^ - -« hu'ndred and twenty to one hundred and eighty pounds was paid for the H^-t h? ,' "°"^P^"^^«" «t the sale that the number of a mu hr'etaTdV' ^^ mentioned and away it wen^wi hout much reg-ard to where situated, or to the price to be paid whrt'o re? 1" ''' """^^ ^^^^ P^^^ ^'' ^'-^^ -r'e no tWcrsiol'""'^' ''''''' ^" ''' "^- -- -P« ^- "P ^or ^% /i 9 .%' The sale over, the purchasers were notified that they were to pay into the hands of the agent the following day one year's rent on each limit, together with £10 additional, for the purpose of creating a fund for making roads. Many parties who bought limits that day never saw them since, nor never worked them. The parties in whose favor the reservations were made were now called upon to pay £10. on each limit to the road fund. This was not so urreasonable as the next de- mand. The agent informed me that the annual ground rents on our limits were not to be computed according to the Crown Timber regulations in force at the time we entered upon the limits, and in good faith made heavy outlay thereon, but on the average of the recent sale ; and, be it borne in mind, that the regulations referred to were in force all over the Province at the time, and remain still the same, with the ex- ception of the St. Maurice territory, and tY owing to the mode adopted of selling by auction, and parties bidding who never intended to work the limits, we had no alternative but to comply with this unreasonable demand. We might either do so or loose all that we had spent in improvements, as well as all the stock, and materials then on the grounds, amounting in value to several thousand pounds. The sale thus over, and the money paid in, amounting to ^ (the road tax alone amounted to over jQ^Kj^the Crown Timber agent at Three Rivers commenced to open road in that vicinity, by an extension of certain roads leading from the Town of Three Rivers and adjacent to the St. Maurice, which were to be still further extended as the resources of the Territory became developed, and the reve- nues accruing therefrom increased. The crown timber agent above mentioned, notified us that certain roads were to be cut by contract, and expressed a desire that we should ten- der for them. We declined to do so, unless a road were opened through from " Batiscan " towards the "Tuque," and if that were to be done, we would tender, this being the 10 co^d^^^^^^^^^ -ttWnt, whence we having such a road was, that itT.'ih u! ^^^^^^^^ge in could be travelled a mo^^el LTin Jhff ^ "J"^"^"^ later in the spring, than bv thpT u ^"' ^"^ ^ '"«""' % brother, wlth^hom /had buV" *'' '"^^ «^- ^---«- >i-,wentto Three H "erLnl s vTe CrZ" t"\"^ " ^''^ there on the subject, and arranged wihlimfl'lh '^-'"^ of a Winter road, from the rear of t^e Bat ,^ ^ '""^"^ to some point on the St Manril k ? ^^^''''^" settlements, and « La Tuque," for'^W^lT ' ''^''" ''^^ " ^^' J^^ver," rate of £12 10s. pe ^ f th ""''^ *° ^^^ P^^ ^' ^^- -dsin the neigrbr;i:Jo^^Cnt°^--uttingt only £10 per mile but ihp ,li^ ^'^ ^'^'^ ge«ing stood when it is Inol^ Lt^rrL" '"" "^" '^ ""^- are contiguous to settlemltl I ' "'''" ^^'^^ ^^i^ers cattle could be eas lytr^;^^^^^^^^ ^Pf - ^or men and from Batiscan to the S Mau/i J '"' l""' ''^"^ »« ^^ «»t wilderness. We did not exn f '"^"^ '^'°"^^^ ^ ^^^^^^^css this rate without considlb2^!n ^'', '^^°"^^ ^'"'^ ^^^'k at that the advantasesTf w '^P?^*^°^^«- S^^^'^^c thought densely settled efuntryoZd^ "''' '^^''^^ ^--- pensate for any differfn Zt ^^uX IT'' '""^ ^^"^■ tual cost, and price stipulated for ''^"^^" '^^ -* As soon as this work was amused f™' u- v middle o( November we imm„/ .1 , ' """"^ »'"'"' "10 with a number of tt;IL,Tefw^''<'r''='''=''''^°^ with Horses and aUnecZnTl '''''; '''''~"'^' "■«"*" ge. through before rtev'S snow S ^''"^T^ '" might be made available L fZI,?^ ' '° "^ "«> '»a hundred miles north of tS Rivt' tZ' °P™<'^ "f "»» aeommunicaUon from the settlern.:t t'ZZ^ 11 district, a distance of aboui which, up to the present day, v, as one penny. enty-five miles, and for have not received as much The road now cut and fit for travel, immecMately became the thoroughfare to the upper St. Maurice. We deemed it then lime to make a demand for payment ; we did so and were put off from time to time, by the Crown Timber agent. At last we sent in a petition to the Honorable the Commis- sioner of Crown Lands, setting forth our claim. The Crown Timber agent was written to by the Department, to report on the subject. He sent in his report, in which he admitted that the road was of great public benefit and utility, and made with his knowledge and consent, but denied having made the agreement for £12 10s. per mile. This part of the report being a denial of the agreement very naturally surprised and disappointed us. We saw we were completely deceived, having no written agreement with the agent, nor deeming it necessary at the time to have any ; in fact, we could not at that time realize what could be the reason of this breach of faith. However, we subsequently learned the cause. It appeared that the agent being only a short time in office did not understand his business, and it was only long after the road was completed and being used, that we found that he was not authorised to make such an agreement, and although the agent told us that he was constrained by a person over him in authority in the Crown Lands Depart- ment to send in his Report, couched in such language as not to be an acknowledgement that he had made the above agreement with us, he never yet attempted to deny in pri- vate having made such agreement. The Honorable Mr. Morin was Commissioner at the time this work was done, and him, while in that capacity, we petitioned to order us to be paid. He, the Honorable Mr. Morin, did not hesitate to say that he believed we had made the road in good faith with the agent for the price above mentioned, and stated that while he so believed, it was hard for him to do any 12 .tir.if/,.!™:;!';: „f„n '"' ">" -- ™- "- -"- lain mo.oy, at hiXDol? f Tl ""'' """ ""'"' "■"= «"" of which he thought rwo„H',°°"f°"'P°'P°=-) P"' office as Commissioner of CmwL r ^ , . "'*'«'""' «» -io» o„ our affair, audi i.ritl^.htir'"* ^"^ in couside.,i„urh:;reTgrd^zttf " ""^ r^"''^ and ourselves, and for whi.i, '^ between the agent Pa«icu.aHy, as s^l^Lt „? aru'uf 7' " '■ -""»- mumcalion with the settlemcnV. ^ P""'"* ""o™- »«Ppliesfo,ourcfe„jr »">=°™we could derive 'ed, .he timbersStd ' ™'ot .f-! *^' T"^" ''""^ ='"' «'a,e„sforaJlouro„Uay a? I ^""^ amply „mu. had at a convenieut d Snce 3,?"'°"'"%"™ "> ^» main roads in differeni Hi,! , T "'"• "''' 0P=ned 'imber on our Itato ' hh 1^"°' ""°°«'' "«' 'Wckest ofthe it ofl. ^"'' "* ""' «™ of taking the whole of good'li^LsfbutSa"! r'^ ^° "'=°' '" ™* in men,, for immedia Ifn 1?.*? f °°"'''' '° *»''PP°'«- Snperintenden, of plr wX Mr T " ""''"==' '"' men on ,„ our most convenienUimi,^ ?T°°' """' "' roads made at great evnlr, J ' '' advantage of our ".a. Winter .^oUTuZTiZ TT^Z''"' ^'^'^^ ni )st convenient timber «n^ V . ' ^ '"^'^^^ ^^ our to do so. We appL to the D '7°^ ^ '^"^^ '^^ ^""^-"^^ some indemnity ?oou.thfr*'"'"' "^P"'^^^^ ^«rks for f!^e use of our rLdl whirw/^tltTh^"^^' ^^ ^^^ ^' I'ng out said timber. The sToeTnt ^ P^''^"''^ °^''^'^- the Department for hisrepor on h '"'' ^''^'^" ^"^^ i>e had taJcen away ove 3 oOo"it "^"T' '''^P°'^^^ '^^' / over J,000 pieces and recommended that 13 we should be allowed seventy four pounds ! (£74,) ! or equal to about 5d. per piece, while we, by a mistake of our men, no lines being run, having made some 300, or 400 pieces on Messrs. Baptist & Go's limit, were obliged to pay 6s. per piece, and that, too, at a distance of 30 miles further up the river, and where, owing to the increased difficulty of getting up supplies for men and horses, the timber taken off our lower limit by the government was worth— piece for piece— at least double that taken by us from Messrs. Bap- tist & Go's. We refused to receive this small allowance when offered to us, and it was only our poverty, caused by other and greater misfortunes, connected with the St. Mau- rice « Territory," that compelled us about a year after to accept of it, and when despairing of any redress to our just claims. It may be said that the government had a legal right to take this timber for public purposes. That we do not deny ; but while we admit such right, we at the same time presume the right of individuals who suffer there- by, to a reasonable indemnity. It will be admitted that it is a hardship for individuals who, it is publicly known, have lost so much in opening up a new country for the purpose of taking out lumber, and just when they have got all things ready for so doing, the government employees step in and take it away from them without, I may say, any indemnity. During the winter now spoken of we had about 260 men in the woods, over 100 horses and 22 yoke of oxen, besides not less than one hundred men and one hundred horses, the greater part of the winter, taking supplies to the works. In full confidence that the government improvements would be in an efficient state in the ensuing spring, we got out a considerable quantity of timber that winter, between 400,000 and 600,000 cubic foot, a large part of which was contracted for at 9id. per foot ; but in consequence of the public improvements not being as expected in an efficient state, our timber in passing over the falls received such se- rious damage that a large portion of it was destroyed and 14 ring .ha nigh,, S a la ge ;1° LTlt' """^ ""7 ''"■ limber went adrift. owing ?eofthe way tiu- t of our I conse- ipletely itement . Mau- lowing 00 10 ) 15 In the summer of 1854, and frequently since, I memorial- ised the government for some indemnity for my loss. This gave umbrage to certain officials, whose duty it was to pro- tect the property of the lumberers from injury, and whose conduct was reflected on by the statement of facts which I had made, so that from that time they have written and spoken all manner of things to prejudice my case in the eyes of the Government, and to stifle all impartial enquiry, and in which I regret to say they have so far succeeded by means of unfavorable reports, and partial and unfair state- ments, that, although the foregoing claims have been so long before the Crown Lands Department, up to the present hour no relief has been granted. I would beg leave to call your attention to the annexed affidavits, and other vouchers in support of my claim for indemnity for the loss and destruction of my timber in the spring of 1854, and also the correspondence which called them forth. The respectability of the vouchers accompanying this correspondence cannot be questioned, as the parties from whom they emanate are all well known here, and are principally at the head of the lumber trade of this Province. All my other claims can be equally well supported. Now, all I ask, and what I believe I have a right to expect' is a searching, and impartial enquiry into the whole matter. Since writing the above J have received a letter from the Honorable L. V. Sicotte, Commissionner of Crown Lands, Informing me that my case has been under the considera- tion of His Excellency the Governor in Council, and that it has been decided that I am not entitled to any indemnity, but that the amount due by me for slide dues for the year in question, namely £125 4s. 6d. shall not be exacted. J can- not say if the Honorable Commissioner has himself taken communication of all the documents relative to my case ; but I fear that he has allowed himself to be swayed by the terms of former reports, and is loath to undo the acts of his predecessors. 16 vernrnent employees, I suZZffe'LlTu'''^ """^ five hundred dollars in settlememof ^""^ '""^ «^ $45,762, and that allowancer.r!? ■ ""V'''' ^^"^"^ °^ Booth, when it is publillv kn ^;'^"f '°" °^«lide dues for- on the river St^^^ll-^Z"! "' ''l "'"'^ ^' '^' «'^d- year, and that none of the tlh " '^"° ^^"^^^^ "^^« ^^at the report of the su^t n^^^^^^^^^^^ ^'f '''""' '^^ rice, 1854. °^ ^"^^^° ^orks, St. Man- f the people, that they stigation into this mat- • hereafter that the pub- 11 my means, and thai rnment has not deal which I had a right to he grievances of which vant. DWARD QUI.VN. PROVmCE OF CANADA, District of Three Rivers. On this twenty-second day of June, in the vearnf and appeared befbre me, the undersigL Majesty 8 Justices of the IVnce fo?the DistMctof Three R.vers, who. being duly sworn on the fln^v Evangelists doth depose'and Jay, that durinV u e years one thousand eight hundred and fifty fh re e and one thousand eight hundred and fifty- bur hS w lliam Quinn Lumber merchants, of the city of Quebec aforesaid, in the capacity of a foreman ir con Juct and superintend the wo?ks and o S,n. then carried on by the said Messrs 0„ I .n the St. Maurice Vafley, on Timbc lin L b a?c j above the place called the '« Grande MereFal^" on the St. Maurice River. That in the spring of the year one thousand eight hundred and fiftv-four this deponent was entrusted with the dutv J 7' • down the said St. Maurice 1 iv r! thefvhoL or H,; timber manufactured by the said Messr Q in„ Z ring the previous winter in their CV^anticrsheZ^ no raed and mentioned, the said timber consist n. of a great cuanfty of square white and red pine th^ber And this deponent further saith that in the sprint a i foresaid, tns deponent caused to be put afloat fnto the said St. Maurice River, all the timber maniifer tured in the CA«n//er aforesaid, of which hTwaf a foreman above the said Grand; Mere fallfand iiti mediately proceeded down to the said G mldTfl W nis said timber, for the purpose of being there to nas*? thew^oeofhissaid timber, through the Govern ,"!!::? f^^'!'? ,f that place, when the said Sr Tr,.u,a rcucn there. lliat this deponent, with hU men, arrived at the said slides in sufficient S to ■-iflfc- \^ I conduct hff the timl.Pr in *»,„ • i t^aused tho booms and ...1^^,^:; r,-Vtz : ';:;e'd" "- "•"' venti", .1,.' .inlwrr'^„"'„ r;;''S'''' '"^ p'"- "Iretclled, and timt l>ercoivinr.hi „ ' "'"' ""' skill and „l.ili,y of hcDerZ „ M?''°'''"J T""" "^ slides nml lioums mPT n "'""'«* »f«lie "aid men working Hi 'hir„,d ['?;'' "^'"'""■' »'"""' in .in,e .o pre™,. |,i', L,"^:; . a ',■;':.' i^'''"? '"«". mg over the Falk tJ.:. , *" "^^ "mber ironi go- 8t?etch them hi,,: f , Ifi^^r'" ^"''"'^^-'•«d to leave w.ns give, hm to do - V^^^"^ of men, if deponent oftled toThe said i '. !."'"' u"'' *''^* **»'» number of „ien to nah . i '"^^ ^^' *^'' n««'^««a»-y booms, but that to aid n ""n "^ '"''*''' ^^'^ ««'d ponent,thathe J tn'U e kn whi?"'T'''^^ *'''«^«- would not allo^ any per.; „'.,/' ? '^" ^"1'"^^'^' ""d That theconseq, L' ci of tl e aid iT'* 1 ^""• ther stretchin. th^ boon, h n:^r .' auS^^ ponent to do so, Avas that the ont -i ?"«"'»f '"« de- berofthisdeponent^smttetSL^^^^^^^^^ passed over the said Grande AJere Fa '*?'"?' breakmg almost evorv stick AuAtW, a * ^bereby ther saith, that had thi pers^nsln .w ^^^?'T'^^^' booms of the snid Grande SlereP^n'^'f •"* ^^"^ ^^^^ tent well to discharge he.-rdu V f.w.' ."?^ ^^^'"P'^- ed from them the salf] ^l^ ^' r^"^"*' *^ ^^ ^^P^^t^ have surtered any mltiafd^e"^""'" ^-'^^ -t And fui;ther, this deponent saith «\* j. . edhi,r„,.cg„i„,depo,r:"Si'd"'irr:tx\tr Takenand sworn before me. the 1 day and year, and at the place first I 9Dove mentioned. } F. X. 1 A Tit KT •". J Jf IT Toronto, gGth March, 1857. i"' Sir, «f 51'' 1^^ respectfully to call your attention to the petition of Mr Edward Quinn. presented to the Governs (feneral and referred to you on the subject of certain claim^ to wh ch TJmK ^'' himself to be entitled for losses suffered 7ih]s Timber on the nver St. Maurice, and for payment for certa n injprovements made by him in taking rSaJs for the IJe hos^hom ^« ^^°" d »ake the libert| to recimmend^ h": he should ge a remission of the Crown dues on the timber brought bv him to market, for which he has given a b^nd as a small indemnity for his loss. He was one of the first pioneers of that country, and spent large sums which have involved him in difficulties which he his not beTn able 'o overcome, though that section of country has much bene. fitted in consequence. We would also sfiggest that the re. maining part ol his claim should be referred to some person ?heTeJr ' ""^^ '°"^^ ^'^' the witnesses and^report <,;n„°.^f'!^ ^^ consider his case worthy of the favorable deci- sion of the government, and shall feel obliged by its receiviSL your attentive consideration. ^ ^ receiving We have the honor to be, Sir, Yotir obedient servants, C. ALLEYN, M. P. P. ?'5;-^???l^®'i°^«'MP-P-J- M. Penes. J. ElieJThibaudeau, « E. Benjamin, L. L. Desaulniers, J. B. Daoust, J. B. Guevremont, J. Leboutillier, T. Fortier, W. Baby, N. Casault, J. O'FarreU, 6. H. Simard, F. Evanturci, M <( it It ft «f tt (t tf t( D. Roblin. Jas. Ross, T. K. Chrysler, J. M. Daly, John Egan, W. L. Felton, J. Gill, W. Rhodes, David E. Price, John Supple, M. P. P. (( tc tl tt it (( ft tt It t( p 11 Ni. ' P. H. McCina, '* A. Cook, " J. Bureau. J. E, IWfrtt*, T. LoraM*»j» Agar YeOkiagt J. PouIi«H^ ConmiiMiiMiw of Cfown Ltinds, > T«roi}to. J M. p. p. CROWN LANDS DEPARtMENX, toronto, 26th Api-ll 1857. In order to enablft me to lay the petition sttbtnitted hv yourself and others in favor of'^Mr. ^uinh, Wore Ilfs Ex c^llency the Governor General in Co^hcil/it C?d WdSil Table to have a statement, more explicit t'han a«v thiL vo rendered by him, of the amount of damaVes Sned^A.^lJ would be impossible for u.e to bring aS under cohsldti wf;'''^ ^ '"1 ^^T 'i"*'«''«" as ta^lready been^^^^^^^^^^ w^h? '''^'''"''l. ^"'^ '■^j^'^^^'^' "»l«s« it can^be presented J^uh^some new faet or information to warrant ifs'^cdn Tide- k. submitting any such further inferniation, you shonH observe, too, that the extravagance of some ofSe^s^^teS h, .^tofore advanced by the Messrs. Quinn, tend rathS to damage than sustain, their claim, inaluch as h becomes necessary to refute them in the departmental report suTh for instance, ^3 ,tte« the Crown dues have been ?hargeron iaJn^lv'!;'''''"^*^^^^^^' ^hichisnot the fact, a^he? o^?a;edV therS!^' ^ith.th...cta^.,u,„,,, ^btai^.^: ;r»ld I.U., Sill b.., lb. .4«i«» »« ^™ S^. { "• '!;'*"■ S «* ■■••• rouohem hw.untD aJeZi , vTd n d ^^oo^^by the affidaWto »«doUi* H Thi, might be done by producing fho b 1! of sale, with affidavit, ,«id accompani. 1 bv the flpecificnr.uu of ar.y such woald thus be proved. Another statemo, • of tfie averW value of snmlarT.mber, in an uninjured .state, al the /arS Z^l J'1"{;P''' y "!*'t""''^^'^ ^y *''« ™°'^ '^^'iable authorities, would then alTord the means of determining the los upon the ac ual quantity rendered liable to tlie Crown Dues With such statements I will be prepared to bring the mat- teragam under the notice of the Executive, witii the view of obtammg ^„r Mr. Quinn such relief as tht' premises may warrant, but Withunt pledging myself as to w/mt course His fcxoeti.^ncy m Council may take upon the subject. I have the honor to be, : ' Sir, 11 J u! ^°"' ^^^^ obiBtUent sjsrvam, , ' .11 J Ul •, . ...-..,.. .... ii, •■^D-jtJ/iniA isl-.t.-'llljl,- . (Signe<^,) (JOSEPH CAUqHON, ''' " Com. of Crown Lands. Chas. Alleyn, Esqr., M. P. P. .t^Qfonto. t No. 1. PROVINCE OF CANADA. ) District of Quebec. : I w.^l ;b s\!X aiii? (I)r>n;4iH) Personally came and apinjared "before me, one of Her Majesty's Justices of the Peace for the District of Quebec Edward Roche of the Citj. of Quebec, clerk, who being duly sworn, doth depose and py, tji^t the dQpqopnt waJ employed by Messrs. EdwardinS-tVillW qS in IsS and 1854 to superintend f6eir Lttmbferin^ operations on ^ I'r^^n !f\^r\r "^^^^ tributaries ; that ia.the month Of April oft854, they had oti the .bah^s of thd 'said riVer Pt it,8tnb)]taries a large gngtritity of square Timbel' mann, Sf.t^'l^^ -'S HM^^M ly?ng .t thrfollS iJlacesi Viz: Tftken from ttiy Stock BoSk:— At lirttl N# ^Sl!^.«J?Si/SJ'^ ^^a^b^_^l^3,pifec^,^t li^ ?u °]"^^,a,st8ideoftheSt. Maurice, and No one south avm«d about six.y-flva ffe. cu"i TfeLuw^K of Messrs. Edward and William Quinn to bring The Shp? m safety to market, but owing t?the inefficS state oTflfJ government works on the saiS River St! Maur i a laSe quantity of the Timber was lost, and the reminder vS much mjured and depreciated 'in quanthy Tverage anj value, and was only made saleable by being re-mfnufac for ZTT "''P'"''- ^^"^^ deponent has b^een eZloyed for several years as a culler and shipper of TimbT and fom«V"®'f''' knowledge of the business to enable hhn to make a close and accurate estimate of the IvemLcn wfh-Tr ^'^T^''^ Timber and of the quanthy tfereof m cubical feet, and deponent hath signed.^ (Signed,) Sworn before me, at Quebec.N this 7th day of May, 1857. (Signed) Ed. Gjcackkmeyer, J. P.j EDWARD ROCHE. No. 2. PROVINCE OF CANADA, ) District of Quebcc. j ies^vT?,?!/ "^""^^ \"^ appeared before me, one of Her Ma- Kr r^?.! ' °( *^ ^*^«' ^""^ ^^^ District of Quebec and sa? Th'„tT'''' ^^° Y'^S duly sworn, doth depose .imendan^inoile^^ftj^^^^^^^^^^ 81 rice and had a general knowledge of their operations on that river and Its tributaries. That at the chmtier undTr deponent a immediate superintendence, deponent had hauld SLL J"^ ?''''? ^'^''"^^ ^'^^ '^^ St. ]&aurice, thirteen hundred and sixty pieces of square Timber, of which about thirteen hundred pieces were white pine of an average of seventy-five ieet, the remainder red pine about forty to Ltv- two feet average, the latter including a few spars. ^ Ihat deponent is a competent judge of the average cubi- cal contents of square Timber, and from his many years experience as a Lumberer in the woods, and as a culler in ?.^ Vl^ f °f b^^'* to make an accurate estimate of the same. That deponent is aware that Messrs. Quinn had altogether m the spring of 1854, on the said river and its tributaries, about six thousand seven hundred pieces of white pine Timber, averaging at least 65 feet, sixty to se- venty per cent, of which was sixteen inches square and upwards, and about one hundred and thirty pieces of red pine Timber, averaging at least 40 feet, making in all about four hundred and forty thousand feet (440,000.) That the deponent IS aware that a large quantity of the Timber was lost, and the balance greatly depreciated in quamity average and vdue, in consequence of its having passed over the different falls on the river St. Maurice, owing to the tTereon ^°^ inefficient state of the public works That deponent, acting in his capacity of culler under the orders and superintendence of the then Supervisor of Cullers John Sharpies, Esquire, measured the whole of the Timber brought to market at Quebec, by the Messrs. Quinn in 1854, which only measured, after being collected and remanufac' Sl^'^^*^""?'"'^^ two hundred and thirty thousand, eight hundred and twenty three feet (230,823), white pine fpp "Jjinf ^'"i^''/"^ three thousand one hundred and seven leet (3 107) of red pine. Deponent also states that, on refer- ring to his book of that date, he finds that the dressing aione of said Timber, amounted to over five hundred and thmy-two pounds (£532). Deponent further states that this comprised all the Timber made available to the MessrL Quinn, except the following which they sold, viz :— To Board of works, for improvements on the Tn M • Jf?"""!^'.,^* pieces containing... 3,148 feet. To Messrs. Allan Gilmour & Co., to secure tlieir saw logs in the St. Maurice, 602 pieces ^''^tai^i^g 19,534 « To Messrs. Wm. Price St Co., at Batiscail, 136 pieces, containing 6,0S5 feet. this latter being part of the Timber, which went, adrift by the breaking of the booms at the mouth of the St. Maurice. Further deponent saith not, and hath signed. (Signed,) PETER GILCAN. Sworn before me, at Quebec, \ this 8th day of May, 1837. (Signed,) Ed. Glackemeyeb, J. P.^ ]Vo. 8. r PROVINCE OP CANADA, District or Quhjbec. Personally came and appeared before me, one of Her Ma- jesty's Justices of the Peace for the District of Quebec, James Hayes, carter, who being duly sworn doth depose and say. That he was in the employment of Messrs. Edward and William Quinn in the winter of 1853-54, at Devereux's Chantier, about two or three miles below the Tuque Falls on the river St. Maurice, being the lowest station where Timber was made for the said Messrsi Quinn during that season. In the beginning of May, 1854, after put- ting all the Timber produced at said chantier into the wateJ, the foreman, James Devereux, myself, and from twelve to fourteen other men proceeded in two canoes in advance of the timber, to the Grand Mere, for the purpose of being in readiness to pass it and all the rest of Messrs. Quinn's tim- ber made, at their several chantiers during the previous winter, through the slide at that place, and arived there in sufficient time to do so, but finding that the principal boom for preventing the tiralber going over the Falls was not stret- ched, the foreman, Devereux, in my hearing, offered to do so with his gang, but the person in charge of the Gove«i- ment Works (Letreal) would not allow him, saying that he understood his own business. The consequence of his not either stretching the boom himself, or allowing us to do so. was, that the eatire body of Messrs. Quinu's timber went over the Falls, thereby smashmg and breaking almost every stick, Deponent further states that shortly after ihe timber passed the Grand Mere he left for Three R,ivers, and further depo- nent saith not, ^ucui hath signed. (Signed,) JAMES HAYES. Sworn before me, at Quebec,^ this 12th day of May, 1857. (Signed,) D. Maouire, J. P, No. 4, PROVINCE OF CANADA, > DisxnicT OF Quebec. I Tersonally came and appeared before me, one of Her Ma- jesty's Justices of the Peace for the District of Quebec, Ro- derick McGillis, Lumber Broker, who being duly sworn, doth depose and aay, That ia the summer of 1854, at the request of Messrs. Edward and William Quinn, who were at that time extensively engaged in Lumbering operations on the River St. Maurice, deponent proceeded to the cove of Messrs. Edward and William Quinn, at Point Levy, for the purpose of examining and estimating the extent of the damage sustained on a large quantity of White and Red pine timber brought down by them, and then lying in their cove. Deponent states that he has been brought up in a lumbering district in Canada West, has been a lumberer himself, and brought a considerable quantity of Timber to the Quebec market, holds a Commission as a Culler in Quebec from the year 1827, and has been chiefly engaged in the lumber bu- siness ever since, had charge of the management of coves for more than twenty years, and that during the whole of the deponent's experience he had never seen Timber so bro- ken and destroyed by falls and rocks as the lot above refer- red to. Deponent further states that, judging from the ori- ginal size of the Timber, (in spots where it remained unin- jured) deponent has no hesitation in saying that, to put the said Timber in shipping order, from the manner in which 24 it was broken, bruised and destroyed, would diminish the quantity by thirty-five to forty per cent from the original measurement, and in addition reduce materially the cubic average per stick, and consequently its value per cubic foot, and further deponent saith not, and hath signed. (Signed,) Sworn before me, at Quebec,") this 12th day of May, 1857. | (Signed,) f- Ed. Glackemeteb, J. P. j No. 5. R. McGILLIS. Quebec, llth May 1857. Sib, With respect to your letter of this day requesting me to give my opinion as to the general appearance of the Tim- ber you brought down frcTi the St. Maurice in the year 1854, all I can say is, that I had frequently an opportunity of seeing the Timber before and after being put in shipping order, and that during my experience I have never seen so rnuch bruised and broken Timber in one Raft, many of the pieces being unfit for any manufacturing purpose, being split from one end to the other, and many broken in two and three pieces, leaving the Timber, I should say, depre- ciated in value fully the half, besides the great loss sus- tamed m redressing it previous to being able to offer it for sale. I am Sir, Your obedient servant, (Signed,) McLEAN STEWART. Edward Quinn, Esqr. ) Quebec. j 25 the inal ibic bot, to m- sar ity ing so the ng wo re- is- for . No. 6. Quebec, 22nd March,. 1854. Mr. Edward Quinn, of Quebec, sells, and Gillespies £( Co., of Quebec, buy, seventy-five thousand feet of White Pine Timber from the River St. Maurice, to be at least equal in quality to the lot purchased from him last seajon, to average sixty cubic feet, in shipping order, at eight pence currency per foot, measured as customary in Quebec ; also, seventy-five thousand feet of White Pine board timber, each stick to be at least sixteen inches square, or upwards, in shipping order (wane not objectionable) at nine pence half- penny per foot, currency, string measure. All the above timber to be delivered in Quebec, not later than the month of June next, in good shipping order, nnd payment to be made as follows, viz. : — One third in cash, one third by purchaser's note at sixty days date, and one third by pur- chasers note at ninety days date, from the time seller is ready to commence deliver}' of the Timber, provided that all the Timber so paid for shall have arrived in Quebec, and be held subject to the order of the purchasers. (Signed,) EDWARD QUINN per WILLIAM QUINN, Broker. GILLESPIES & CO. No. 7. Quebec, 7th May, 1867. Dear Sib, of to As desired by you, we enclose copy of contract note Timber purchased from you in March 1854, and beg state the following facts connected with said Timber : We were particularly anxious to receive the full quan- tity of board Timber, 16 inches and upwards, contracted for, say 75,000 feet, and relying upon your being able to bring the whole to market, we had actually sold the whole of both descriptions in England, to be shipped during the summer of 1854. The quantity delivered by you was as follows : 1040 pes. 16 inches and upwards, 55,3 17. 2. 9, avge. 634 fe^^* ^^^^ 2a pieces, first clause of contract^ 75,000.8.10, avge. 60 feet. Shewine a deficiency in the quantity of board Timber of 19,633 ieet. This you informed us at the time was owing to your ha- ving lost a large portion of your stuff in the St. Maurice, owing to the incomplete and defective nature of the Govern- ment works in that river, and that the Timber you had sue- eeeded in bringing to marfc&t was so broken and bruised that it had to be redressed on arriving in Quebec, thereby causing considerable loss in quantilyj and rediaction in ave- rage, which accounted f