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The reason is plainly this, as we are free from the rites of the^ Mosaic dispensation, I concluded, that it would afford little edification to my congregation or fa- mily, and be of little service in my private stu- dies, to pry into all the circumstances of Israeli- tish females during their confinement. I there- fore seldom read such passages. This accounts for the above \Qxi not occurrino. to me, wheu \'\v)ri(ing those letters. ^^" 1 li have no intention of following you in all your wanderings, which would lead to a real wild- goose-chase, which few would be willing to fol- low. I shall, therefore, review the first section of your reply to my letters, as a specimen of what might be done, and then clear up the leading to- t '.S.i8fc.j pies which you have laboured so hard to darken. You, p. 74, give the following quotation from my letters, " Any special purpose of mercy and grace, toward man in general or lue church in particular, is in scripture language termed a covenant; and the revelation of such a purpose is called making a covenant. Hence, the word, as found in the sacred records, is of greater extent than in other books. It includes not only agreement by mutual consent, but like- wise any arrangement by decree, command, promise, or even testament. Inattention to this has given rise to much needless controver- sy. The system of ordinances given to the church of Israel, is by Moses called the cove- nant; by Paul in his epistle to the Galatians, the law ; and in the epistle to -the Hebrews, ac- cording to our version, sometimes covenant, and sometimes testament. The terra in the o- riginal is the same." You add, " If the same original term is render- ed indifferently covenant and testamenf^ why do you say in stating what it includes, or even testament? Was it because you did not know that the two words, being indifferently the translation of the fiame Greek word, in the same epistle, from the same pen, in reference to the same transaction, must in those writings be synonymous ? or was it because you were a- fraid others would know it, and then look into Heb. ix. 16, 17. and see your view of a Qoxi-i nant completely overthrown by the apostiVT Or even testament, as if it was a great wonder the word covenant should ever mean testament, and therefore we should seldom meet with it in that sense. No\r the word testament, as used among men, comes much nearer the sciiptuie f> odom, u rained fire and brimstone. from heaven. Agm.i the day" that Pilate sent our Lord to Herod, t is M, The same da,, Pilate and H^rodn^ere made friends. You refer in the -'""^f^f '«"'*'' Jer xxxiv. 18, 19. 1 remark here, that the co- %enant mentioned by Jeremiah is the only one, which I recollect, having a ratification sacrifice, and it was worst kept of any on/.«''?//- , >,°^ Sinaic covenant will be considered in its proper place. 1 1 is certainly no ordinary effort ot ge- nius, to bring the testament mentioned by the - MJt a ratifi- •^v. 6. for hat chap- sacrifice ..A fV nnvpnnnt mentioned by Jeremiati m^Kwmm. i 8 to bear on the same subject. This is sufficient to shew what light the essay can cast upon the subject, and so I shall return to review the long quotation given above. The reader has it before him in its connected form. I shall now consider every part of it. ic /®" ^J' " '^*h® ^^^ original term is ren- •Mered indifferently covenant and testament, " why do you say, in stating what it includes, " or even testament V I said, that the term is sometimes rendered co- venant, and sometimes testament; this no intelli- gent person can deny, that the term is rendered 60, indifferently, no intelligent person would as- sert. You justly remark, p. 85. that *« True ca- nons of criticism ever tend to precision." It IS a pity that you never made use of those canons^ It you know them. Your remarks are thrown before the reader in such a jumbled manner, that the reader must be at a loss to know what yoa intend. Do you grant or deny my assertion? Your words do neither, but instead of this make a supposition, that the terms covenant and testa- ment are used indifferently. The translators were too well acquainted with the use of terms, to be guilty of such a blunder. You ask, « Why did you say-even testament?" My reason waf^, that the reader might pay particular attention to this meaning of the term, as it is very uncom- mon You proceed, " Was it because you did not know that the two words, being indiiTer/ ently the translation of the same Greek word, m the same epi ^tle, from the same pen, in re- ference to the same transaction, must in those writings be synonymous?" I really did not Know that covenant and testament were indiP ^ — ,^j ^^..^ „iicii ^uu iuiorm me oi it».fc ..i... ' ) 9 ^0 not believe it, for I hav^ shewed above they are «o essentially different, that none would use them indifferently, unless one whose «PP«^t«;y was to let nfurnished. You add, "Or was it « because you were afraid others would know it, "and then look into Heb. ix. 16, 17. and see «' vour view of a covenant completely over- .' thrown by the .pestle?" If I wanted to hava my readers'kept in the dark, 1 took a very un- common way of accomplishing it. But b; t'vik- ing into the text referred to, my v.ew is no-wise overthrown, but confirmed. If you mean the English term covenant, the apostle is not rea- soning concerning such. As has been shewed a- bove, covenants are offeree while men I've. If you intend the term in the ori^^nal, then the text proves that it means or includes even a testa- ment. You add, " Or even testament, as if it •« were a great wonder the word covenant shoud .'ever mean testament, and therefore we should ' seldom meet with it in that sense. The word covenant never means testament, but the Hebrew term berith frequently means covenant, and sometimes, but very rarely, testament. 1 he co- venants mentioned in scripture, are many in number, and various in tlieir natures, as every one who reads his bible may observe : whereas »U the Testaments on record amount only to two, the former of which was never confirmed by ttie death of the testator, and therefore is superseded I bv the latter. We have, therefore, but one in- stance in the whole scriptures, of a testament confirmed by the death of the testator. You proceed, " Now the word testament, as used a- « mong men, comes much nearer the scripture ••covenant than the word covenant itseli, m it« .. ™„„ oooonfnfion." I take vour me&nmK I iti 10 to be, that the term testament would be a better translation of the Hebrew term berith, than thft term covenant. This I question. Jacob and Laban made a beriih, was it a covenant or a tes- tament? Abraham and Abimelech made likewise la berith, and the reader may judge whether they made a covenant or testament. Do you sup- pose, that the Gibeonites sent to Joshua to ad- vise him to make his testament? You proceed, "Allowing a covenant might be revealed in the form of a promii^e, command " &c., still it is of no force till ratified." 1 would have thought no christian could have made such assertions. What ! is not faithful i> he thai hafhpromised, sufficient ground of confidence for a christian? and is not this saith the Lord, enough to enforce a command ? But you add, ** The very design of making a covenant, is to " bind forcibly by the covenrnt ; therefore what " has no force to bind is not a covenant." God made a covenant with Noah ; pray, Sir, who is td be bound forcibly ? Is God to be bound forci- bly not to send another flood ? Or was Noah bound forcibly not to suffer another flood? Who is now bound forcibly by this covenant? But perhaps you reckon this a testament. If so God is the testator ; and you know a testament IS of no force while the testator liveth. When will this testament be of force? Some of our readers will jtill be disposed, after all you have said, to prefer my account, and think it was a re- ; velation of God's gracious purpose not to send another flood. You say farther, " It is impos- ** sible to separate the divine covenants from the * oonfirming victim." You, p. 3. of your es- say, give an enumeration of aii the divine cove- Daats you could recollect. Consider them affain. ) and 6 eonn help cone diffe ther< .c^r **dc viev Yoi ««ol pec liev pre wo I si nai \ ) u .n^ see if thev tre al!, or ho«'«*«"•' «'h«n will the covenant be confirmed and of force » h«f;ff I ^."^ °° ' *'" ^ «""' y"""- book, ever hear of a he.ler making a covenant, or even a tes' is lament. But allowing for once that this heifer made a testament, it adds not a little to the won- der, that she made a part of it about fourteen years after she was divided in the midst. I have Darned the heifer only because you say testator, perhaps the other animals have as good a claims » ^ If I have injured them, you will do them justice no doubt, when you write again. This is a fair specimen of what might be done, were I to review the whole of your performance : but I fear, if I had patience to proceed, few would have patience enough to read, and even you would be very tired^before you would come 4o the end. 1 shall therefore make a few remarks on some of the leading topics. Your plan through the remaining part of what you say concerning the covenants, is to jumble them all together, and if you can find one of them come to an end, then conclude they are all ^nded. I shall therefore make some remarks on them. 1. Each covenant which I mentioned in my former letters, has a definite privilege attached to it. The covenant with Noah you call ' a cove- nant of safety ' properly enough. The first co- venant with Abraham, conferred on him and his seed a right to the land of Canaan ; the second, the privilege in your own words, of having Je- hovah for their God ; the Mosaic covenant gave the church a system of laws and ordinances^ This covenant was more complex than any of the former ; it contained a body of laws, a system of ordinances, a formal covenant, and partici- pated of the nature of a testament, and is ther€P« fore called by each of these names. The kingly- dignity conferred on David, and continued ki 1) u ^ i H kU Imc, |£| distinct from each of the former cov«« ^. All these were in full force, when David ras king. Israel had possess^ion of the land of Canaan, had Jehovah for tlieir God, the law of Ifloses in force, and David for their king. Not one of these covenants interfered with or super- seded another. 3. A new covenant was revealed by Jeremiah, which dittered from these, in that it was to su- persede, and when turned into a testament by the death of Christ, actually did supersede one, and but one. Both the prophet and apostle shew which it was, plainly mentioning the cove- pant made with Israel upon taking them out of Egypt. You needed not have been at so much pams to shew that this covenant is superseded, all christians will grant it; and you have done nothmg to shew that the relation between God and his church is dissolved. This is what you should have done, had you met my argument. Ihis leads naturally to enquire into the duration of these covenants. You say p. 76, '' As a linguist, a controver- ' siahsr, and a teacher of the scriptures, you are doubtless prepared to inform us what is the meaning of Gen. xvii. 8. The land of Canaan Jor an everlasting possession ? Yes, Sir, per- fectly prepared. You justly remark, p. I:g8. '* It IS mcumbent on those who write for the public •' to elucidate, not to darken." As vtu have succeeded to admiration in darkening the sub- ject, I shall endeavour to elucidate it. Then the reader has both before him, and may choose tor himself. You say, same section, p. 76. of the term everlasting, " In its literal sense,~itha8an end : in its spiritual sense-^it has no end '* \ 15 fi Now this is glaringly false ; for every one knowi that the literal meaning of the word everlasting Is, perpetual, without end. Again, this is leav- ing the reader completely in the dark, if it have an end, when is this end to come ? besides^ lite- ral and spiritual is no proper division of meah- ) jng; literal is opposed to figurative, and spiritual to carnal. That you should l>e at a loss re- gpecting the meaning of a Hebrew term, is nd matter of wonder or reflection, but that yaiBL should be so positive, in a matter you do QOt understand, is not quite so excusable. I remark, then, that the Hebrew terfn, rendef^ ed everlasting and for ever, just as it suits the idiom of the English language, is, in scrit)tnref^ Applied to durations of different lengths^ and meanSj 1. During natural life. Exod. xxi. 6. And he $haU serine him forever, Heb. to everlasting'. 1. Sam. xxvii. \2. Therefore he shall be my servant forever, to everlasting. 2. During the Mosaic dispensation. Exod. xl. 15. For their anointing shall surely he an everlasting priesthood. Heb. vii. \2. For the priesthood being changed, there is made ofne* cessity a change also of the law. This shews, that the Mosaic dispensation and the Aaronic priesthood were of equal duration. 3. During the political existence of Israel as a nation. Gen. xvii. 8. All the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession. This was tbn country given to Israel, while out of it they are strangers in a land not their own, and, in mf opinion, will continue so, till restored td their own. M- 4* Diino^ Kio ^1.,^ w^'—A! .^A!^^. Mff 4K^ WU%*a«u«*»A%#a* « i^! U stAie of this world. In this sense we read *Krw »««^»>^:~_ „i» ju_ j-. " o *^ I (( u h VI church, you cite only two texts of scripture. On the first of those, I make no remarks, the second vou introduce thus, " In Acts vii. 38. we read " of the church in the wilderness. This means '' the Jewish church. " It would have been a little more accurate, had you said the Israelitish church. You add, *' It was a visible, earthly, t " temporal model of the invisible, heavenly, eter- '' nal church above mentioned." Please inform me when you write next, of what service it is to give a visible model of an invisible church. It however answers your purpose, as it will prevent some of your renders from comparing the church and model. But as the model contained persons of all ages, from the infant on the breast to the hoary head, the church, if it answer to the model, must do the same. You add, " To this body, " the term church is applied but this once m the " whole bible." This is rather a rash assertion. The Greek term rendered church occurs, as often, at least, in the Greek versions of the Old Testament, as in the New: for instance, m^. Chron. xxx. it occurs four times ; v. 2. All the conqreqatic n (Greek, ekklesiu church) in Jerw mlem; v. 17. There were mam/ in ike congre- nation (church) that were not sanctified; v.^o. The whole assembly (church) took counsel to keep other seven days ; v. 25. All the congrega^^ Hon (church) of Judah. Accordingly, we find it so rendered in Psalm xxii.22. as cited by Paul, Heb. ii. 12. I will declare thy name unfv my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. Though you cannot read the Greek, yet you can consult Parkhurst ; and he would have afforded you sufficient information on this subject, as he takes eleven of his examples nf the meaning of the term (ekklesia) church ?' '■rj mm- [■1 .1 18 "When' ?hf Tf '"""t"*- u ^°" P'«<'««d and «ay. " whole £dv o7 .*},''"'■'''!, •^""^ "°* '"«'«' the " Christ it Z • ^''^ redeemed as united in " in he' wiw:r;r;s ^^r^' ^ ^'•"-'^ " l!o,r<...=, '*""*'™«ssj a particular socetv of be- '< rfne e^er i^*^ ""* of .spiritual darknesJby dl " united toEhr^^P^^y'"^ the divine word ; " "he worU^K t^' 'u " ^*«*« «f separation from " al Lhv. t'f^e gospel begets in the heart of •' i t„ r'' *"•* ""^ "instant habit of meet- ., ng together on the first day of the week " fn«llJ-fl S ™1' ""'^ «n ea''nest desire of mu- " whth rf '?"' ''y ""itedly observing all th^SL " s^Jv?" M ' T™™""^^'! his disciples to ob- •io you foun?2' T"" y°"' "Pon what authority church fnr ft ■' ""■""^^ definition of the term wl ^' u '* "^'■^es neither with the Ene-li«h rr7n^Lten'L^'f '^.^ ^^^ term eS:' allagee w»h fi''«*f churches, and see if they ■1 agree with the definition. You sav " NT,. . ;'f le society which does not answer this des evlTreZ't:'::'^ "«"«•' '-^-hureh." You how." - church „%*•"!, '^^f t'»« ^hen you say, " tl>e " are ever 'f^H *7 "'"u^'''^ "^ ^^^^^^ societies « ber Knt K ^ a church in the singular num- " thJ,; '•"^^henever two or more are referredT,. " a'rLrbir""^^ ^'""!f '^'^'^^^ - thTpiS prove thTs T mi^w' y?" *''°"^'''* " needless to / as^rtion ' S l^^i'""''"*^""'' '^^"y'"^' *''e ' oftiiemeaninrof /h ? ^''^'■' ?'"* "°"ther view renl mei^o7!hrf '"'"" ^''^P^^' *« **■« ''«'- luedniDg: 01 the lanffuae-e in whinh li^«r.u^. f23 iV'f- » I y # I t» f- '•> » ^frhal the spirit saith unto the churches ; to him that overcometh will I give <^c. Do you be- lieve that the Baptist churches of the present day are purer, than the christian churches of the Apostolic age? , ^ , j You proceed to review what I advanced con- cerning the continuation of the church, but, with no common degree of ingenuity, contrive to keep the subject in debate out of view, or rather shew plainly, that you do not understand it ; lor you ask, p. 81 . - Why is not tlie church of Scot- ia land a continuation of the Rome?" The very proposing of such a question is enough to ma^e the reader stare, and enquire, does he understand what he says? Did the church of Rome end at the commencement of the church ol ^cotland.^ if not, how could the one be a continuation ot the other? Your answer is of a piece with your question. You say, - Because their po^^y, their « laws, and their offices are different, Conti- nuation does not depend upon any or all ot these, but upon succession. From a person who could propose such a question, and give such an answer, accuracy on the point of continuation cannot be expected. You say, p. 86. " When you attempted to '' prove the continuation of the same church un- *' der the Jewish and christian dispensations 1 ^' should suppose your first attempt ought to be, , - to ascertain what is essentially necessary to '' constitute any body of people a church. it is a little surprising, that you should answer .i letter without reading it; and if you read it all, did you not see these words, p. 8. - By this co- - venantaiine of distinction was drawn between . ,. ^ a? f^.^?.>,>. w^Qrki^\a nnd the world f It has been shewed above, that the Greek term •■■a- ■ n I I J 22 ^\ 'f I rendered church, means an assembly, and amon^ christians, an assembly of God's people by pro- fession at least. Relation to God, is what is essential to consti- tute any body of people a church. This relati- on is in some saving, in others mer ly profession- al. This line is recognized in scripture. Is. Ixiii. 19. fFe are thine, thou never hearest rule over them, they were not called by thy name. You find feult with this line, because it does not an- swer your notion, and make a separation be- tween the righteous and the wicked. If you consult your bible, you will find, that in every age, and under each dispensation, there were wicked persons on the church's side of the line ; you will hardly deny, that there were such in the church in the wilderness, and, if you consult the second and third chapters of Revelations, it will be no easy matter for you to shew, that the church under the New Testament is free fsam them. You propose nine s ibjeets of eTiquiry in order to ascertain wheths r ihe ohrisUan church be a continuation of that which existed among the ^^ews, or a new and distinct one. Now the point which I maintain is, that the church under itie present dispensation, stands in the same relation to God, in which she stood under the former; and is to be considerec? the same society or b:/dy politic in every age from the days of Abraham. To this relation you pay no attention, though .stated with sufficient plainness in the ninth page of my former letters. This truth may be further confirmed and illustrated by considering what Paul says. Gal. iv. 1, 2, 3. '' Now, I say. That thejieir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all ; But is # .1 u:. wnder pointe( were < ments pares i of the and ui ed at persoi When you a door^ attenc certai Apos ham's Yo of the nant !^ay, *' fro chur II ant cent subi( argu pron bodi lege was |tov it m I A mer can j» 23 nnder tutors and governors until the time ap- pointed of the father. Even so we, when we Were children, were in bondage under the ele- ments of the world." Here the Apostle corn- wares the church under the tutors and governors of the old dispensation to an heir in his minority, and under the present, to the same having arriv- ed at majority; but still an heir, and the same uerson, though in different circumstances.— VVhen this heir's privileges are called in q«esl.oii you are for enquiring. Does he enf, the same door? does he keep the same servants? does he attend the same schoolmaster? &c I am for a.- certaininghis relation to the granter. This i>tlK. AiVostle'f way, for he says, " then are ye Abra- ham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. YouTLc'ond argument for the discontinuatum of the same churcl, is dra^n from the new cov.- nant recorded Jer. xxii. 31, 32,^3, 34. »o" .av " Here is a new covenant diherent in kind " Lm fhe Sinai covenant." Granting this, the church did not commence with the Smai cove- uant.nor end when " ^'»^ «"P«^f "Itt.t th contrive to say a good deal round about thi» subiec %ut keep at%ufficient distance from tlie aSment. 1 hold that the new covenant was "prSed, and the promiseperformed to the sa^e Ldy: according to your view^^^^^^^^^^^ wi: nCT p rform^d but Lt privilege is be- Jtowed upo^ another society or church to wh.ch if npver was uromised. , . AgaTn, you will not deny, that christians on- ioved this privilege from the very commence- S of the chriltian era, therefore to them ,t Lannot be new; but considering the church as ^'"°«1 from the days of Abraham, the m- i. ab±i.'r-,«*.ji j^-^" ■ ^wr iiiia't,i ii 24 1^ f f.' f I ) ^ troduction of Christianity was something nevr. You have not told vour readers how the Gen- tiles have a right to the privileges of the church of Israel. Paul, however, explains the matter, he informs us, that the Gentiles, in their heathen state, were aliens from the commonwealth of Is- rael, and strangers to the covenant of promise ; but by embracing Christianity, they became fel- low-citizens with the saints, and were of the housholdof God. Eph. ii. 11, 19. Again, he in- forms us, that they were grafted in among the natural branches, Rom. xi. 17. Your next argument is, if possible, more ab- surd. You say, " When the Messiah should •' ccme, he was to act as a purifier,'' and add, " When a church is so purified, it is not '' the same church.'' The clauses which 1 have omitted may have hidden the meaning of your words from yourself, and from some of your readers ; but what is given above, in your own words, contains your assertion. If this be true, a thing may be so purified, as not to be what it really is, but something else. Any further re- marks would be an insult to the reader. You, p. 96. quote these words from my letters, «' The spirit of inspiration denominates baptism « circumcision." You add, '' If this were not a *' direct falsehood charged on the spirit of inspi- *« ration, we might at once give up this part of *' the contest." Before you bring such a heavy charge against another, you should have exar mined the text cited. Paul says to the Colossi- ans, " Ye are circumcised," will you say, they were not ? He tells us, it was with the circum- cision of Christ, or, which is the same, christian circumcision. Will you tell what christian cir- <« ^ » ctimcjMnoii ia? they had it by baptism, What c«ii be plainer? , You add, " I have fally discussed the |>hfftse « made without hands." In the Greek, it is not a phrase but a word, and you have explained it as well as 6ould be expected of one who did not know this. If one were to explain the terms m»- dw and sUmd separately, woisid he give the meaning of the term ufider stand '^ The following quotations from two of tm Greek fathers, will shew how the term was iwed by those who spake that language, They will answer as a comment both on tte text, aiid the term made-without-hands, ■ Basil says, " A Jew does not delay cfrcu«M5i- a sion,--and doest thou put off the circnmoisiGrn '« made-withont-hands, which is performed m '« baptism.'* ChrysoStom says, «' But our cir- '« cumcision, I mean, the grace of baptism, one " that is in the beginning of his age, or &*ie t&at is '' in the middle of it, or one that is in his old age, " may receive this circumcision made-without- *' hands." Your's &c. _ ^ D. ROSS. /• LETTER II. &1R, 1 You, p. 97, begin to rerview my reasons for admityng infants into the church, and seem displeased with my pleading antiquity and pos- sesion of privUege. This is prudent in you, who cannot prove the existenee of a angle socie- ty which you ©all a chiistianchureh earlier than the eleve»th century. See Wall's Hfet. Inf. Bffip. ■ J- \f y i" 26 From my letters you dte ttee wo^^^'jj^j! .. certainly incumbent on those wno ..elude them, to ^^fw their author..ty. & principle 2 seem no^^^^^^^^ r^^CCuen'y 'mention, '. the qualifica tinder the former dispensation. ^nd when You make two ^"PP^f 1^' ^i^^^^^ ,r/.« nnn shew such restricting clauses m uu Lord^ Ltrent, as you have put into yoj ^t im alter the case. You ^e™ Xfi^^^^J^ute! and add. " I refer you ^r point blan^^J^X; .' divine authority, to Gal. iv. 30. va :;ri prr^h^tio^ThoZ prove is, t^^^^^^ fontsKot follow /eir pa-nts ; b^t in tlu te^^^^ it is the woman and her son. It was "'^ °du , 'then Oie unbelieving Jews were broken oft, the Children were b-l^- "^ -f .^^^^^^^^^^ sides, as you maintain that ^ne ^on « woman never v?as in, how ^^^s he cast out Von D 100. cite these words, At wiiat po «. rTod'vvas the church of God not the gospel " church?" You do not answer the question, f'^^Vorr.^^'^^^^^ " word'" Very far from it; our viewso the s^r ofthe IhuU under the old t^auient are very different. This you shew by ask>"f.. ^ .' you believe that the gospel P^^acted " t^^^l ..Lrness,^.^sexactlythesameast^^^^^^^^ <' to US?" 1 dobeheve it. me gusp^i i° ,v ' It is d ex- This xpect J this h that thori-' lifica- t have (hurch t, than L when n our ur's, it ►f this, jsitive, out the seems thatin- tiis text I same, off, the Is. Be- le bond It? hat po- gospel uestion, •al ques- [e on a v^s of the nent are ig, " Do I the wil- preached is essen- 27 tially the same in every age, Acts xv. 11. ^' We Se that, through the grace of our Lord Jesas Chrlt we shall be saved, even as they. T^ ti ^Lched to Abraham in these words. In lAalltna^^^^^ he Messed, is continued mder each dispensation,. though und^^^^^^^ new ^qlvLTthe new covenant was promised, and c.St as believers, and as believers on Y- T^- is an error of no «.«^f ,«^^f||L^^^^^^^^^ covenant is promised ^?^^^}lZ'^^^ believers, how is any "nj'^^]^^^^ J^wsTn these never ? When Paul addressed the J ews iii »„„st be b«f»^« I^J'X^eUing the words of our giving your «»r««^«'^^°'r/^here reasons influen- •''"^'^rrateiSs' Wy murhrve a foundation :: L truth ''What^^^^ nsist ? re it in %noiM brown irms in I which f com- ning." e who much ingular ^ument ke say »i ! of you it from 'he chil- itimate, rho told lommon ou pro- ill help (case in *" hand it will run thus : To the pure or believ- '* ing partner the impure or unbelieving partner *' is pure or holy. He is holy to his belie v- ** Ing partner i, e, as far as his relation to the be- ^* lieving partner is concerned, he is sanctified to ** and for the use of the believing partner." This is just what I mean, and what do you say to the contrary? You again cite the following words, *« The terra holy is applied to what was dedicat- " ed, or ought to be dedicated, to the Lord," and you ask, " Cannot you tell which? or were you <' afraid of inspection?" I was not very much afraid, providing the inspector had " an ounce of " common sense" ; and if you inspect Lev. xxvii. S2, 33. you will find both called holy. You proceed, and p. 110. referring to Rom. ix. "i, 8, you say, '' I challenge you to produce " a single passage in the new testament, where " the phrase The children of the promise iii- " eludes any but real believers." The passage quoted above will answer the purpose. Pleaj^e read the next verse and you will find these words, For this is the tfoord of promise. At this time will I come and Sara shall have a son. Abra- ham's children descended from Sara are the chil- dren of promise, and you will hardly say that they were all real believers ; they were all the fruit of this promise. You, p. 111. cite these words, *' Yourprinci- ^« pies place a barrier in the way of accomplish- ^ " inn: the promises made to Abraham and his « seed Christ," and you add, " All the promises <* you refer to relate to nations, and you suppose " that as nations include infants, the promises *' can never be fulfilled to them a« nations un- «» less infants are included in the promises, and <* regarded as members of the church. This is / ^*ii , ^^^IPK^ 3d ^1 1I> 11 )U y if II f ! i « the pith of your objection." So far, you are correct: but when you add, " Now, Sir, 1 ap- «* prehend the promises are to be accomplished '* individually, not nationally," we differ ; for I maintain that promises are to be accomplished just as they are made, such as respect individu- als are accomplished to individuals, and such as - respect nations, to nations. You, p, 115, 116. cite these words, *« Does not ** the spirit of inspiration call the children of be- ** lievers holy," and with great humility add '* So " are the children of unbelievers, just in the same *« sense." You forgot however to tell us where they are so called ; I regret this because I am unable to find the passage in which persons out of the church are called holy. You yourself likewise seem to reckon the term peculiar to members of the church, when you say, " See the '' address in the beginning of all the apostolical ** epistles." I have seen the address in several epistles, and find that the apostles style the ntem- bers of the church Hagioi, the very term ap- plied to children in the text to which I referred. Now as relation to God is implied in the term, I conclude that relation belongs to children. The nature of this relation will be shewn in its place. Connected with this, I referred to Paul's ad- dressto the churches of Ephesus and Colosse, and you, after some genteel scolding, say, *« Take your concordance and turn to the word " children, and you will find that, in the infalli- *' ble standard, it is as frequently applied to per- '* sons of twenty or thirty years old, as to those '' under that age." A concordance is very use- ful, but the question here may be decided by the words with which the term children is connected. n'^i. __i.1_ A tie apubiiu, i:*|. JU« VI* TC. UiUCiO Iw WliWa "p t" > j.j.vri>jv^ ou are , lap. plished ; for I plished iividu- such as ' oes not I of he- ld '* So 16 same 5 where se I am [>ns out rourself uliar to See the jstolieal several le ntem- irm ap- eferred. term, I n. The ts place, dl's ad- Colosse, ^, ^ay, he word Q infalli- l to per- to those ery use- d by the anected. > children; now, I reckon children of twenty or thirty years old, are brought up already. Again, he recommends admonition, and, if you consult Parkhurst, you will find, ihdii paideiai the term used by the apostle, means correction, chastise- ment ; I would suppose that it would be rather out of season to apply the rod of correction to a child twenty or thirty years old. You, p. 124. cite these words, ** Again, when ** your children survive infancy, your principles* *< cast impediments in the way of their instruc- •* tion, of which you are not aware," and p. 125. you give a very good illustration of my position, for you say, " Were you placed among the hea- ** then, you would have to lay aside the authorl- *« ty of Christ, except over yourself, till some <* choose to become converts ; for you wouKi not *« be so inconsistent as to urge the authority of *' Christ, or, which is the same thing, the sanc- " tion of his law, by which he maintains his au- *' thority, in his kingdom, as a reason why they " should repent and believe the gospel of the '* kingdom. Mark i. 15." Now, I ask you, is a christian parent among his children in this situa- tion ? The apostle thought othervvise. I asked formerly, were the children of chris- tians heathen or christian ; you however did vot answer this, but raised a huge mass of cavils. Now, Sir, if you answer that plain question, 1 shall answer every one of your cavils. I shall now conclude this letter with a few re- marks, which will in some degree dispel tiie cloud of darkness in which you have involved the subject. In many ordinances of religion, there are two parts, the one external and visible, the other in- ternal and invisible: these must be carefully dis- S2 &, /i i'r*! i ! I 1 tingnished. Under the old testament there were the circumcision of the flesh, and the circumci- sion of th3 heart ; in like manner, under the new testament, there are baptism with water, and bap- tism with the Holy Spirit: under each dispensa- tion, many had the former, who never attained the latter. When these two ordinances are com- pared, this distinction should be kept in view, and the circumcision of the flesh compared with baptism with water, and circumcision of the heart with baptism with the spirit. You have taken a contrary course ; in circumcision you consider nothing but the carnal part, and in bap- tism you keep your eye on the spiritual part. Now, the present controversy is concerning the external ordinance only. Agreeably to this, there is a two-fold relation to God recognized in scripture, the one merely professional, the other real and saving, Isa. Ixiii. 1% TVe are thine: thou never barest rule over them ; they were not called by thy name. None will suppose, that all the people of Israel stood in a saving relation to God in the days of Isaiah. The same is the case under the present dispensation. All the members of the i^even Asiatic ciiurches stood in external relation to Christ, and were called chris- tians after his name ; but can you suppose, they all stood m a saving relation to him ? There is a plain contrast between your address to Bap- tists and Christ's to the churches. You send all the Baptists to heaven, but Christ confines sal- vation to him that overcometh, and adds He thai hath an ear, lei him hear tthatthe Spirit saith unto the churches. Compare Rev. ii, iii. with your address, and admire your own faithfulness to your fellow-prof(6>ssors if you can. I may here answer one of your cavils, as a soecLmen af I \ ■--« 33 ewere jumci- le new dbap- pensa- tained B corn- view, d with Df the 1 have m you Q bap- I part, ng the > this, ized in > other thine : ?re not S that elation is the il the ood in chris- j, they lere is > Bap- md all es Sal- le thai I saith i. with [ulness I may ini>ii fvf ^ ft- what might be replied to them all. You, p. 1 19. say, *' If any of them perish, — Jehovah'sbeinga " God to a person is no security to him from ru- ** in." If you mean mere external relation, it is granted ; for Jehovah was the God of all Israel, yet many of them went to ruin. For a reply to the other part, " The everlasting covenant is *» broken," consider Rom. iii. 3, 4. and you will find, that the stability of God's covenant does not depend on the faith of any, neither can it be af- fected by their unbelief. You have recourse, on almost every occasion, to types, a subject which you do not understand. Undt ' the old testament, you find every thing typical, and under the new, you allow none. Now there are typical persons and. ordinances under the new testament, as well as under the old, though not so many ordinances. LTim. ir. 12. Be thou an example (^Gveek typos ix type) of the believers. Phil. iii. 17. As you have us for an ensample, (Greek typon type). When you find the dispensations of God towards his church denominated typical, you, from this con- sideration, attempt to deprive her of all reality and reduce her to a mere shadow. Would you do the same with respect to Timothy d^^^ the apostles? There are likewise typical ordinances under the new testament. The bread in the Lord's supper is a tyoe of the body of Christ broken for his people ; the wine is a type of his blood shed for the remission of sins. Again, there are several things connected with religion which cannot be represented by types, such as infinitude, immensity, eternity, therefore, when you speak of a period typically everlast- jug^, ^'uu use »v k Ui5 iV «T i.&iV&« iAX AAA^VS&A&a<«S 9ES=9Mifi *h, \ ^\t u attached. The rest of Israel in Canaan may re- present the rest of the church in heaven, but any limited duration cannot represent duration with- out end ; for how can what has an end, represent what has no end, and the very essence of which consists in having no end. Your manner of treating the scriptures de- serves severe animadversion. Some instances of this have been given, and I shall only add two out of many, as a specimen. You give an instance of your critical powers in the application of scriptures, p. 22, Your words are, ** The verb translated confirmed " Heb. vi. 17. is derived from the noun translat- " ed mediator, and that again from the noun " rendered middle. Christ as the ratification sa- «' orifice, was the confirmer, interposer, or medi- " ator between God and sinful man." Any per- son reading the above quotation, would suppose Paul was referring to the death of Christ in the text cited ; but notice his own words, God, will- ing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, con^ firmed it by an oath. Is the death of Christ and an oath the same ? Again, p. 81. speaking of the covenant of roy- alty, you say, " In examining this covenant, ** neither the token nor the confirming sacrifice " being given us, all we have to do with is the *' promise," What a pity that you did not give the inspired writer a friendly hint, and say, as there is neither token nor confirming sacrifice, this is no covenant, see my essay. Yet this is not quite so bad when taken by it- self, as when connected with what you say p. 75. *' Allowing a covenant might be revealed in the *' form of a promise, command, &o. gtiil It is of 35 the " no force till ratified." So you reduce the co- venant to the form of a promise, and then the promise is of no force I ! ! You, p. 93. say, ''As the blessinj^s of the " Abrahamic covenant did not run in the female " line, a token was given which was inapplicable 'Mo females." This reason for the nature of the token, I ques- tion. The first distinction in the line of the bless- ing had a respect to the female line, the son of the bond maid, and the son of the free woman ; and our Lord is the son of David, the son of Abraham in the line of the virgin Mary. You, p. 129. tell your readers of " A Baptist " minister in the United States, who, on a cer- '* tain occasion, advertised in a newspaper, twen- " ty dollars reward to any person who would " produce, from the new testament, any passage *' proving infant baptism. A certain minister *' gave the editor of the paper a passage which " was published. He then demanded his re- " ward. The Baptist replied he had not fulfilled " the condition. After going through the " regular process, the court brought in the ver- '' diet. The condition had not been fulfilled ; for " it was impossible a text could prove what was *' not mentioned in it." This story has strong marks of being a mere fabrication for the purpose of imposing on the thoughtless, I however shall give you another rather better authenticated. We are informed, Mat. xxii. 23, That the Sad- duoees, who say that there is no resurrection, neither angel nor spirit. Acts xxiii. 8. came to our Lord with a cavil, and our Lord cited the following words avS a refutation of their error, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of IsaaCy and the God of Jacob ; God is not th'i God of ll>. 36 vtilTf ' *"' Y "'^ii^in!,. What rerdict would you and your Aaifirican eo.irt bring in this case^ or rather future state of existence. If the orin- S^st T ""'°'r "^ *^"«' there are ^ny S.T "^'^ testament which need cor- tvhSfr'h"/^ ""5^ **"•"•" '■» y»"^ pamphlet to Tre o? 1!T P"!"* ""* 'Attention. Some of them fror? thrit""**"^' **' """''"^ '««"» the reader far liar facultv „r ' •**' y**" ^^-^ »° ^ave a pecu- liar faculty of running away from the point un- t mSX " r?'*'"°^ «'*' -hich^ has "ot forn^rLff /*'"*T *"'*= ^<»'- instance, in my Jormer letters, I produced Roir. xi IG J97 Z * Jevs sH^ ^ argument thus, '« When the " into their n^nr''^';'*''' ^^^^ '^'» ^ grafted ■ inio tneir own ohvo tree. Rnt it ^^^ grafted into t^ ^wn olT'TT^*"'^ T ^« '>^ ^>n your imnch^lo Jr J""^^ ^^"S" after it i.s, ^'tL 1!™^}V^^^, extinct, you e-ravelv ^av A ho period from the. hi.iu £r . P'^^^^V s^a>, ** birth nffcao« " "* AMimael to the* O'r.h of I..,,c, corresponded to the period from t would is case ? •rection le prin- emany ed cor- lilet (o >f them der far pecu- nt un- las not ,111 my 27. as lurcli, QU the rafted 'istian riJl be oKve ;s not 5 you ?fore, ona« hort. Yes, ^iiev- hose ' the you Gftd- o l)e it KS, the roiTi I ^ 37 •* the Sinai covenant to the birth of Christ. The ** period of Isaac's remaining on the breast, cor- ** responded to the period from the birlh of Christ ** to the famous day of Pentecost." &c. your letters. Now an ex- ternal ordinance, such as circumcision of the flesh, can be the token or seal of aa external re- lation ; it requires circumcision of the heart or baptism with the Spirit to form a saving relation. Now, it is the former of these which is the sub- ject of dispute, ajid to it I confined myself ; for I do not know that evangelical Baptists and evan- gelical Pe'^obaptists have any dispute concern- ing the necessity ob nature of baptism with the spirit generally called regeneration. If y®u enquire then what alK^antage has the church from this federal relation ? Paul answers the question, Rom. iii. 2. Mmh every way : chi^y, because that to them were committed the oracles of God, ix. 4. To whom pertainelh the adoption J and the glory y and the covenants^ and the giving of the law, and the service of Qod, and the promises. These are the privi- leges which the Jews lost, and which the ohris- tian church now enjoys. These are privileges peculiar to the church, yet many enjoy an exter- nal dispensation of them, who have no saving re- lation to God. Your's Ac. D. ROSS. f^ U-*!