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 rilOVlNCB OF CANADA, THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, AND THE 
 
 LEOISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF ONTARIO. 
 
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THE FOLLOWING COLLECTION 
 
 PUBLIC DOCUMENTS AND REPORTS 
 
 ON THE 8VUJECT OK THE 
 
 HUHON AND ONTARIO SHIP CANAL, 
 
 ' BXTlUCnO CBIirLY ntOM TUI JOVHNALH or TUB 
 
 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF CANADA, 
 
 or 7UZ 
 COMMONS OF THE DOMINION, 
 
 AND OF THE 
 
 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF ONTARIO, 
 
 IS RKSPECTFULLY DEDICATED TO 
 
 HIS EXCELLENCY BARON LISGAR, GOVERNOR-GENERAL, G.C.B. 
 
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 AND THE 
 
 PEOPLE OF THE DOMINION OF CANADA. 
 BY THEIR FAITHFUL SERVANT, 
 
 F. C. CAPREOL. 
 
THE HURON AND ONTARIO SHIP CANAL CO. 
 
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 lUAMWT, ID * M Vie. cir. U>; ui» t» Vw. o*r. U. 
 
 CAPITAL $40,000,000. 
 
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 FnEDERio C. Cai'RKOL, Eaquiro, Prosident. 
 W. J. Macdonkix, Esquire. 
 Honorable Donald McDonau), Senator. 
 Thomas R Fkiuiuson, Esquire, M.P.P. 
 Thomas Orahamk, Eaquiro, M.P.P. 
 Adam Chocks, Emiuire, Q.C. 
 Henky FoWLKll, Esquire. 
 
 John Hawkshaw, Esquire, C.E., F.R.S., Loudon, 
 A. M. Rrndel, Esquire, C.K, London. 
 
 William Sykes, Esquire, C.E., Toronto. 
 A. LuDERS Light, C.E, Woodstock. 
 
 Messrs. Crickmoue, Boyd & Stayner. 
 
ALCO. 
 
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 Tc//is Exeeiiency Baron Lisgar, Govtrnor-Gentral, G.C.U., G.C.?f,G.t 
 &c., &c., &c. 
 
 Toronto, the 31it JAnuary, 1871. 
 My Tx)IU), 
 
 In roiipmtAilly di-dlcAtlng to Your T.or(I«hip, and tho pAopIfl, tho following |mblio 
 document^, on tho •uhj<>ot of thn Hun>n and Ontario Hliip (>«nal, I am coniitrain«d to do 
 ' 10 from A fneling of duty I owe to ovttr 200,000 ixaitionuni, to thoHr- I rnpn^aont, and to 
 mytcif I could Hay nin< 1' inoro, hut I havo «!nd*>uvoun<d to Im) an hri>>f a« tMwnihlu, 
 
 Aa chiitf Kxocutivo ( irllcor of tho Huron and Ontario Ship (..'anal Company, om- 
 powcrml hy authority ol tho board undor thn Hnal of tho OumpAriy, I am in po»> 
 Muion of factfl, from thn opinionH of two nf tho moiit nminont engirii-««rH in tlie world, 
 Mr. John Hawksbaw and Mr. A. M. Uondull, baaed on tho ablu report, plauH and lurvo/ 
 of Mr. Wm. HylcPH, Hubniittcd to thorn, and I fearloNMly iwutert that tho IIURUN AND 
 Ontario Sim* Canal ih yuiTK i>RA(mrAui.i<:. 
 
 I am also in poaHesaioii of plan* which will Icmcu tho doop cutting in the ridge«, ono 
 hundred feot, Having, in tho «)x|MtiiHt) of con«tnintion, at luaitt $4,000,000. 
 
 Th« canal proper would b« but nixty mih'H. 
 
 It will aUo nave, in distance, over 800 mihrn, botwtion tho uppnr lukoH and Liverpool, 
 for vesaols of 1,200 tons bunion, via tho St. Lawrence, and a saving of timo viA the Krio 
 Danal and Now York of 14 to 10 days, and with tho preHcnt amount of freight, an annual 
 saving of £2,400,000 sterling, or al>out $12,000,000. 
 
 The canal can bo constructed in less than fivn years, all preliminaries 1)cing 
 arrangod, giving employment to many thou»and itersons. 
 
 The Huron and Ontario Ship Canal will secure to thn Dominion of (Janiula tlin fant 
 increasing carrying trade of the great West and the North WcRt, making Canada tho 
 star of attraction of the world for capitaliHtH, and emigrants seeking employment. 
 
 A bonus of 10,000,000 of acren of wild lands would have, and may yet, secure its 
 construction. 
 
 Opposition and difficulties I expected, as I did in the initiation of railroads in this 
 country ; but I overcame them, ami he is a bold man who will deny that tho construction 
 of railroads has not materially assisted in making Canada what she now is. 
 
 In the newspaper reports of tho 28th June, 1848, of a public meeting held in 
 Toronto, for the construction of the now calletl Northern Railroad, Mr. C. S. Ozowski, 
 in his speech on that occasion, stated that plank and macadamised roads would bo suffi- 
 cient for Canada for tho next 30 years, and that it was insanity and weakness in any ono 
 to think of railroads. At the same meeting, although others opposed me, I sturdily and 
 forcibly advocated railroa«ls. The result speaks for itself. 
 
 Quero t If Mr. GzoAvski so erred in his ju<lgment then, may it not be questioned 
 whether he, in connection with Mr. Laidlaw, one of his now railroad friends, and who 
 are both on the Canal Commission for Ontario, may not be equally in error on canal 
 matters at present. 
 
 I have never committed myself in speaking or writing against tho Ottawa Canal (and 
 refer any one to tho Honourable Mr. Skead, of Ottawa,) because the construction of that 
 work would not clash with the Huron and Ontario route. The former being a barge canal, 
 and the latter a ship canal. 
 
 I have, however, spoken against the enlargement and deepening of the Welland Canal, 
 and I do so still, in consequence of the difficulty in navigating the St. Clair Flats by 
 vessels drawing the necessary water. 
 
 The resources, however, of the Dominion can construct all, as well as make the 
 improvements in the St Lawrence River and her canals, to pass vessels of equal draft of 
 tho Huron and Ontario Ship Canal, viz., locks not to be less than 13 feet 6 inches on the 
 
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 lJiiit(«rStiiti"<, .11 ui'll III \i»ttt'i| tlix |triiii'i|Mtl t'omini>ri;iul citii'« in Kn^laiul aikI ihn 
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 oil tlio ('a|iitiil I'xiM'iiilnl i liiit I liiirnnl in Kii;(l.'inil (frmn MJirnce th>^ cnititAl niimt coini*) 
 tlint howi'vcr linlliiint the |ii'iiH|i<>t'tt niiiy In< nimlo to ii|)|M*ikr for n pnitltnlilo invi<«tmnnt, 
 Nui'li lm<l Im>«<ii tlix iliHiihtruiiA ri'^nltH fritiii iiivi«ttni(<iitM iiwulo in ('niiiiilii for tnihllc work)*, 
 
 1 foittiil it iiii'li't-t to |iii I witliiiiit II Imiiiih iN'in;; ^iiiinintct'il of 10,()00,(l()0 Acn'H of 
 
 tlin wihl IiuhU iif till' t'omitty, ll I i-imiIiI limo olittiiiii'il tlii« Ihhiuo, 1 hml Mrcur«'«l tlui 
 coiniNi'l itf till' iiiiMt rtninnit ini'ii in Kiiulniiil, ih i>n((iiut<<rit, tli«> mont ii'liiilil(< runtroctoM 
 in Kntfliiinl mil tlii< I iiiti'il Stati-i, ih \vi<]i n-* tli>< liMilin;; ciipiUiliHti of (iri'tit liritnin, for 
 nrgixiiitiiij; till' fliiiiiuiitl nrraiigi'iiinit^ loi xn ;;i'i>iit nml tiiu'fiil lUi «nti'r|>riMi<. 
 
 To ^iM< Voiii- K\t-(<lli'tii'y, ami tlui |iimi|iIi< nf tlio I)oiniiiiiiii, an iili>a of tlir rontiActor 
 I liml nci-iirt'il ill Kii;{l:uiil, liii coMtractii in imliii niul <>lM<w-|ior)', at tlio tinio I wiw ni'uo- 
 clntiii;{ with liiiii, r>M|iiir(>il Uil.DOO i iii|)Iii}oi'm hii liin monthly pay li»t, dinco whicii I 
 li),irn that 111' ami Mr. ilawk'ilMW \m'h> M'lit fur iiy tim I'anlui of Kp;ypt to cunnnlt on n 
 rnnal roiiiiiiiiniration with tlii> ii|ip('i- \ili>, u iliHtaiicu of 1,100 niili-M, at an I'Mtiinated coHt 
 of X17,O0(»,()(){) HtiTliiij;. 
 
 Till' ii'iiii'.si'iitativi'K i)f New lii'iiiiswii-k ami Xovft Scotia aro awaro of niy lU'itiro to 
 Ht'i) arconipliHlu >| tlm May Vi rtn Canal. 
 
 I wan alsii an lulvoralt' for tlio con.'^tnictiiin of tlio Sanlt Sto. Marin Canal, iliii'in{(, 
 nnd Hinci>, tlio lat<> Mc^'*!'*. Lifonlaino an>l llililwin adniiniNtrntion, ami I am Ntill of 
 opinion itji cDiiHtnu'tion (iii;;lit to ho ciiminiiu'cil iinnn'ilialf'ly, to complotn n linu of n Rhip 
 canal, tlirunj;,li Ilritish t< rritmy, frnni the Day nf Fnmly to the hcail of Lake Superior, 
 iiml liiiiilly on tn tho SiiHkairhi'w:in. Ami had I Iteen honoured hy living one of tlio 
 Caiiiil CdiiitniM.'.iDiiriM, 1 ain conlideiit I cuiild have Hii^^^'e.itcd a plan for obtaining the 
 capital ri'ipiiinl for all tlirso worh.s fur n ptTiod of yeais, without requiring the rctuni of 
 any of the piiiu-ipal. 
 
 Iloldin.;^ in yreat icHpect and ndniiiation the abilities of tlio Rev. Wm. Alorley 
 run.sliDii, I lU'siri', befurr clo.sin;.{, to ([iiole the words of hi.<4 lotter to me, on thu canal 
 project. 
 
 "Toronto, February 12, 1870. 
 
 " My Dr.Aii Siii, — I nin not aide to be present at tlio nioetini; to-nif{lit on the matter 
 wliieli you h;ivi' mo nuuli at heart, and moreover it in not my jirovinei.' to Hpeak to tlio 
 citizi'iiH of Toruito on purely setuliir (|iie?<tioii.s, which they underMtand much better 
 than 1. 
 
 " It is unite within my province, however, to watch the progress of your movement 
 with inti.rest, to conpatniate }ou niion your letennination to sec no hucIi thing us innn- 
 cible ditllculty, and very heartily to wish you siucess. 
 
 " It is for practical men to say whether the scheme is feasible. I think, at any rate, 
 you have e.-italilished a claim that it shall be well considered. If it shall be proved to bo 
 at onco possible and remunerative to the I'liture of the country, its encouragement becomes 
 both the truest patriotism and the Hoben'.^t wisdom. There aro times in the history of 
 a land in which goneious expenditure is economy, and in which parsimony is n ; the 
 fihailow of death ; and they are wise rulers who can tliscover this, and who aro c(jiial to 
 the hour. 
 
 " To mo who am unconnectetl with politics, and who look out, as from the ' loop- 
 liolos of retreiit,' upon the political aspect of the times, it docs appear that the next four 
 years are the years of opportunity for Canada. If thoy slip away without entorpriao, 
 unity and farsigiitedness on the part of her rulers and her people, she will have no such 
 chances again, if tho young Dominiun puts forth her power worthily, there may be an 
 empire in her loins. 
 
 " 1 am, dear Sir, 
 
 " Your* faithfully, 
 " F. C. Capreol, Esq." " W. MORLEY PUNSHON. 
 
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 I \)*y^ to a<t<l that thfl runal CommiMion, now Hitting, owx< lu origin to a •iiiKKKttioii 
 uf Rtinn ; and I thoii^^ht that, aft«r tho i(ri*at l(■n^th of tiniM I hn<i •'X|Hiiii!ml to proitioUi 
 thr canal intiir««t« of th« country, I hau a jiul rlaini to Ini ap|M»int«<<l ono uf it* niemlMri. 
 But I waa ntri with th« obbction that I wa« coinniittr<| to a itartiiulnr •'■hnnut, aiul wm 
 not in a |>o<ition to \h> an init>artl«| iuilur, whiln thu i<vi<nt Niiottr)')! thnt tlii< thri'«i (,'om- 
 miMionrra Mlmt^il for Ontario Iwitl all of them Iwcti o|irnly coniinittril nKaiixt thu mhomo 
 of which I am th« aitv(K-at«*. I'ndor the«fl circumntuncra, 1 apiical tu Vour JilweUeocy 
 and to thfl public wh«tli<*r I havn not a iuat right to tomplnin. 
 
 Not forgrtting my KratcHil arknowl«dginitnti« for tii<< cvrr rrndy a««>i4tancii gkfn m« 
 by McMrs. l&aty and iIarri«on, thn rcpr«HentativPi of Toronto, in tlir noniinion I'arlia* 
 inent, and thn many meml>er« of tho Kc>nato and ('•minioni in biingitiif ao promimmtly 
 before the Uovernmmt of tho Dominion the cmini iinmtion, iim wrll a« MrMrt. Lount 
 (of Himcoc), (Jrahanip (of York), and othflr«|of tho Ontario AuMniibl^, for tli«>ir efforta in 
 rndi^avouring to lighten my hurculcan tank to oNciconi)) tho oppn-titioii of tho Ontario 
 Lcgislatuti'. 
 
 I havo tho honour to bo, , 
 
 Your ExcolI«»nry'H 
 
 auil tho people'* 
 
 mont obdt. and humblo ^orvant, 
 
 FUKI). C. CAPUEOL 
 
EEPORT OF THE SELECT COMMITTEE 
 
 or THE LATB 
 
 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY, 9th JUNE, 1857. 
 
 The Select Committee to which w«g referred the Petition of Rowland Burr, of the 
 City of Toronto, on the subjedt of a Canal to connect the Georgian Bay, on Lake Haron^ 
 with the waters of Lake Ontario, at Toronto, hare the honor to report : — 
 
 That in obedience to the order of your Honourable House, and in compliance with 
 the prayer of the Petitioner, they have had Mr. Burr before them, and have obtained 
 from him such evidence, verbal and written, ai he was prepared to submit ; a portion of 
 which is hereto appended. 
 
 From Mr. Burr's testimony it appears that he has, with commendable zoal, and in 
 the exercise of a liberal public spirit, and at his own cost, within the month of May last, 
 caused a survey to be made, by a competent engineer, of so much of the country in the 
 line of the projected Canal as lies between Lakes Simcoe and Ontario, and is above the 
 level of the former. 
 
 From this survey, which is eight miles in length, and embraces the most important 
 difficulty to be overcome, it is found that the greatest depth of cutting to reach the level 
 of Lake Simcoe will not exceed 175 feet, that throughout the greater part of this distance 
 the depth will not average 40 feet, and that from the nature of the excavation, the cost 
 will be much h'ss than in ordinary heavy cuttings on the most important public works of 
 this and the adjoining county. 
 
 The magnitude of the obstacles to be surmounted in uniting the waters of Lakes 
 Huron and Ontario by a direct Canal communication, seems hitherto to have deterred 
 those most deeply interested from such a thorough investigation of the claims cf this pro- 
 ject upon public attention as to Your Committee it appears to merit. 
 
 The present outlets to the trade of the Up^er Lakes, through tiio Erie and Welland 
 Canals, are already found inadequate, notwithstanding that trade is yet in its infancy. 
 That sufficient iacilities can be afforded by any probable enlargement of both those works, 
 but few at all conversant with the interior of the resources of this vast continent, drained 
 by our unrivalled Lakes and Rivers, will assert. New channels, more direct, and less 
 dangerous and difficult, will be sought. Speed as well as safety is necessary to successful 
 competition with our neighbours in the carrying trade. The shortest route, and that 
 which presents the least interruption to the progress of vessels propelled by steam, or 
 otherwise, in passing from the safe navigation of the St. Lawrence and Lake Ontario to 
 the equally safe navigation of Lakes Huron, Michigan and Superior, Avill be fodnd by & 
 Canal crossing the neck of land between Toronto and Georgian Bay. The only obstacle 
 which may at all be considered of an extraordinary character, is the ridge dividing the 
 waters of Lake Simcoe from those of Lake Ontario. When the largest Canals did not ex- 
 ceed the dimensions necessary for the passage of boats carrying at most one or two hun- 
 dred tons burden, the depth of cut necessary to pass that ridge might well be considered 
 insurmountable ; but at this day when channels are required for vessels of the largest 
 class freighted for ocean voyages, and %vith the aid of science and »kill, reducing the la- 
 bor of years to the eflFort of days, your Committee submit that a depth of cut not exceed- 
 ing the greatest on this line cannot be looked upon as presenting an obstacle more formid- 
 able than the means in hand will justify. 
 
 Aside from the importance of the carrying trade of the North-western States of the 
 Union, which your Committee believe will, of itself, fully justify the construction of the 
 work in question, there are other and, in our view, more patriotic considerations, favoring 
 
 1 I 
 
9 
 
 3, 
 
 1857. 
 
 i Burr, of the 
 Lake Haron, 
 
 tpliance with 
 lave obtainad 
 a portion of 
 
 zoal, and in 
 
 of May last, 
 
 ountry in the 
 
 1 is above the 
 
 )8t important 
 >ach the level 
 this distance 
 tion, the cost 
 iblic works of 
 
 ;crs of Lakes 
 lavo deterred 
 s of this pro- 
 
 and Welland 
 I its infancy, 
 those works, 
 nent, drained 
 •ect, and less 
 
 to successful 
 ite, and that 
 by steam, or 
 e Ontario to 
 
 found by a 
 )nly obstacle 
 dividing the 
 s did not ex- 
 or two hun- 
 e considered 
 ' the largest 
 iicing the la- 
 1 not exceed- 
 nore formid- 
 
 States of the 
 ction of the 
 }ns, favoring 
 
 immediate and energetic action upon this subject It is hardly necessary to say yoar 
 Committee now allude to the extensive tract of country Ijing to tlie Nortli-wost of Iiiikes 
 Huron and Superior, and alwavs recognized as Canadian soil, as well ns to that portion 
 of our patrimony hitherto held hj the Hudson's Bay Company, 
 
 This extensive country, rich in mineral and agricultural wealth, will, by the opening 
 of the Toronto and Georgian Bay Canal, be at once fur more tliaii cIoiibltMl in value. In 
 this view of tiio subject alone, your Committee respectfully submit will ha found consid- 
 erations fully justifying the most libend effort on the part of the Govornmeut, and of your 
 Honorable House, for tlio construction of this work. 
 
 Should the system of granting public lands in aid of public works of a national char- 
 acter be continued, your Committee respectfully submit that no work yt^t projected in 
 Canada has cqu-al claims with the Toronto and Georgian Bay Canal, to a liberal grant. 
 
 All which is respectfully submitted. 
 
 Joseph Hautman, 
 
 CommitteeI Room, C/Mirman. 
 
 9th June, 1857. 
 
 KEPORT OF THE SELECT COMMITTEE 
 
 OF THE LATE 
 
 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY, 3r^ MAY, 1864. 
 
 The Select Committee appointed to consider the practicability and propriety of con- 
 itinw a Ship Canal between the Georcian Bay and Lake Ontario, via Lake Simcoe, 
 
 structing a Ship 
 
 liavo the honour to Report : — 
 
 That they have received evidence from various parties in reference to the practica- 
 bility and necessity of constructing the proposed Ship Canal, which is herewith submitted. 
 
 Your Committee also submit the evidence collected by a former Committee appointed 
 for the same pui-pose, and would recommend that the evidence Miould be printed. 
 
 The question of constructing this great public work has, for a long period, occupied 
 the serious attention of several Municipalities and other parties in the western portion of 
 this Province. 
 
 On referring to the Journals of your Honourable House, your Committee find that on 
 the 9th of June, 1857, the late Joseph Hartman, Esquire, M.P.P. for North York, pre- 
 sented a Report from t Select Committee appointed to inquire and report on this pro- 
 jected work. . 
 
 From that document, your Committee quote the following recommendations :— 
 
 "Aside from the importance of the carrying trade of the North-western States of the 
 Union, which your Committee believe will of itself justify the construction of the work 
 in question, there are other, and in our view, more patriotic considerations favoring im- 
 mediate and energetic action on this subject. , 
 
 " Should the system of granting public lands in aid of public works of a national 
 character be continued, your Committee respectfully submit that no work yet projected m 
 Canada has equal claims with the Toronto and Georgian Bay Canal, to a liberal grant. 
 
 Agreeing with these views, your Committee consider that the construction of such a 
 Canal is expedient on national and on Provincial grounds j they are convinced that as 
 an adjunct to the commerce of Canada and the Great West, its value has not been over- 
 stated, and they entertain the opinion that the engineering difficulties, which undeniably 
 ^xist, are by no means insurmountable. , 
 
 As a national work, the importance of the proposed Canal is obvious. 
 
 It is a necessary complement to the plans which, at an enormous cost, have enabled 
 
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 I'll 
 
 tho Britifil) Government to promote the means of travel nnd transportation over a large 
 part of tho Province. Tho oxLiting CnnaU, originally in advance of tho wants of the 
 time, are now deficient. 
 
 Tho progress of settlement westward, tho development of the vast mineral resources 
 which skirt the northern shores of Huron and Superior, and the certainty that at no dis- 
 tant day, the interests of civilization and commerce, will demand facilities for intorcouno 
 from tlio present terminus of lake navigation to the golden shores of tho Pacific, are cir- 
 cumstances which render tho Georgian Bay Canal a matter which tho Imperial authorities 
 will necessarily entertain with i^avor. 
 
 Over and above these consiflcrations, are others more strictly military and naval in 
 their character, l}ut of these it is not requisite, perhaps it is not prudent, for your Com- 
 mittee to speak at any length. 
 
 To tho Province tho project is scarcely loss than vital. Its geo^aphical position 
 points at Canada as the possessor of the first commercial advantages which arc to }>e found 
 in the interior of the American Continent. 
 
 Even now the produce and minerals of the North-west demand increased facilities for 
 reaching the seaboard, and the business men of Chicago and Oswego are of opinion that 
 a Ship Canal from tho Georgian Bay to Ontario presents attractions of which none else 
 can boast. 
 
 Your Committee need not i 'dulge in proj^hecy to prove that all arguments, based 
 upon previous commercial wants, are trivial indeed when placed in the balance against 
 tho wants which will bo experienced when a few more years shall have brought out, in a 
 greater degree, the resources of tho immense and fertile region of which this Canal will 
 be the natural outlet. 
 
 In this regard tho marvels of the past are the best index to the probabilities of the 
 future. 
 
 That there arc engiuce'rlng obstacles, it Avero folly to deny, Your Committee, how- 
 ever, without entering into details, may be permitted to repeat, that the evidence of com- 
 petent parties appears to demonstrate that nature presents no difiiculties along tho route 
 surveyed which science and perseverance may not overcome at a reasonable cost. 
 
 Your Committee also find that Petitions from several Municipal bodies, including tho 
 City of Toronto, the Counties of York and Peel, the County of Simcoe, tho Town of Bar- 
 rie and otiiers, have been presented to your Honourable House for a grant of ten millions 
 of acres of public lands to aid in tho construction of this Canal. 
 
 Your Committee, having a regard to tlie magnitude and importance of this work, 
 venture to indulge the 4iope tliat a gi-ant of land, commensurate with the greatness of tho 
 undertaking will be made to the Toronto and Georgian Bay Canal Company, incorporated 
 in 1856, as one of the best means of securing the construction of tho work, your Cfommit- 
 tee being persuaded tliat without some munificent inducement of this description, it were 
 useless to seek tho co-operation of the capitalists of the parent country, on whom mainly 
 the Province must rely for the practical execution of the enterprise. 
 
 Your Committee have to express their thanks to L. B. Crocker, Esquire, of Oswego ; 
 Col. R. B. Maso'i, Commissioner of the Illinois Central Railroad ; and William Bross, 
 Esquire, of ^the Press and Tribune, Chicago, for the very important statistics and useful in- 
 formation gratuitously imparted by them for the information of the Committee. 
 
 Your Committee cannot conclude this Report without expressing thtir appreciation 
 of the liberal spirit displayed by Mr. Kivas Tully, Civil Engineer, in presenting 1250 
 lithographs for the purpose of explaining the position and advantages of the Georgian Bay 
 Route ; also, for the zeal which he has manifested in preparing the necessary statistics, 
 which, in the opinion of your Committee, will be found valuable for future . reference, 
 clearly demonstrating not only the propriety of improving the present channels, but also 
 the necessity of constructing additional facilities of communication through this Province 
 for the vast and rapidly increasing trade of the West. 
 
 The whole respectfully submitted. 
 
 Thojus D. McConkey, 
 
 Chairman. 
 Committee Room, No. 16, 
 
 Tuesday, 31st May, 1864. ^ ' 
 
n over a large 
 ) wants of the 
 
 neral resources 
 that at no dis- 
 for intorcourso 
 ^acific, aro cir- 
 rial authorities 
 
 and naval in 
 for your €om- 
 
 )hicnl position 
 arc to 1)0 found 
 
 Ied fiicilitios for 
 f opinion thac 
 lich nunc else 
 
 jumcnts, hased 
 )alanco against 
 )Hj:;ht out, in a 
 his Canal will 
 
 ibiliLie.s of the 
 
 )mmittoe, how- 
 'idence of coni- 
 long the route 
 ) cost. 
 
 ), including tho 
 I Town of Bar- 
 of ten millions 
 
 of this work, 
 reatness of tho 
 y, incorporated 
 your Cfommit- 
 •iption, it were 
 . whom mainly 
 
 re, of Oswego ; 
 iVilliam Bross, 
 and useful in- 
 btee. 
 
 r appreciation 
 esenting 1250 
 I Georgian Bay 
 sary statistics, 
 lUre . reference, 
 anels, but also 
 I this Province 
 
 KEY, 
 
 Chamuan. 
 
 ' I ._ ' 
 
 SECOXID REPORT 
 
 OF THE 
 
 SELECT COMMITTEE 0F« THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, 
 
 ON THE 
 
 HURON AND ONTAIUO SHIP CANAL. 
 
 Committee Room, 
 Jiine lith, 18G9. 
 
 The Selbct CoMMirrEE to whom was referred the Petition of John Gordon and 
 twenty thousand others, of tho Province of Ontario, praying for tho construction of the 
 "Huron and Ontario Ship Canal," M'ith power to send for persons and papers, and to re- 
 port as to tho practicability and expediency of the worlv, have tho honor to report : 
 
 That this project has, for many years, engaged a large measure of public attention. 
 In 1855, surveys of the route were niado liy Mr. Kivas Tully, C. E , who reported favor- 
 ably thereon, and his report was confirmed by that of Col. K B. Mason, an eminent 
 American Engineer. In 1856, the Parliament of the late Province of Canada, incorpor- 
 ated i». Company with powers to construct the work. In 1857, a select Committee of the 
 Legislative Assembly of the late Province of Canada, was appointed to enquire into and 
 report on the projected work, and on the 0th June, of that year, the Committee, through 
 the late Joseph Hartman, Esq., M. P. P. for North York, reported strongly in favor of 
 the enterprise, and stated that no work yet projected in Canada has equal claims with 
 the proposed Canal to a liberal grant of land. In 18C4, a Select Committee of tho Leg- 
 islative Assembly of the late Province of Canada, was appointed to consider the practica- 
 bility and propriety of constructing this Canal, and on 31st May of that year, that Com- 
 mittee, by their Chairman, Thomas D. McConkey, Esq., M. P. P., reported, approving of 
 the report of the previous Committee, and stating that, to Canada the project is scarcely 
 less than vital, and having regard to the magnitude and importance of tho work, the 
 Committee Buggested that a grant of land commensurate with the importance of the un- 
 dertaking, should be made as one of the best means of securing tho construction of the 
 work. 
 
 Your Committee have to report that thoy have had submitted to them a largo body 
 of evidence in reference to the expediency and practicability, in an Engineering as well 
 as a financial point of view, of the projected Canal. 
 
 Your Committee have had under their consideration a full and comprehensive report 
 of 'Mr. William Sykes, C. E., the resident Engineer of the Canal Company, on the general 
 merits of the proposed Canal, containing a large amount of valuable commercial and 
 other statistics bearing on the subject, and a full description of tho Engineering features 
 of the work, and the prospects for traffic to render it remunerative. 
 
 Mr. Capreol, on l)ehalf of the Canal Company, submitted the proposal of a number 
 
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 of capitalists in the United States, to undertaks one half of the contract for the con- 
 struction, taking in payment one half of the capital Htock of tho Company — say twenty 
 millions of dollars — provided the remaining half bo undertaken by British or other con- 
 tractors, and that the Company be aided by the grant of ten millions acres of land. 
 
 Your Committee have had submitted to tliem Ictten. from Messieurs, John Hawk- 
 shaw and A. M. Rendel, eminent engineers of London, England, expressing their confi- 
 dence in the pngincering practicability of the work, and from Mr, Georgs Wythcs, a 
 prominent, and reputedly wealthy English contractor, offering to undertake the remain- 
 ing half of the contract for construction, on the basis of the proposal of the United 
 States capitalists already mentioned. 
 
 Your Committee have also hod submitted to them a number of letters from various 
 parties, i)rominent and well informed in matters of finance, expressing confidently the 
 opinion that, in the present state of the EngliHh i^oney market, the Stock of the Com- 
 pany would be readily taken up, provided that a g^ant of ten millions acres of land were 
 made to tlio Company, but, at the same time, unequivocally stating that, without such 
 grant, the floating of the Stock wonld be impossible at present 
 
 Your Committee had also important evidence from the Honourable Charles Tupper, 
 C.B., Walter Shanly, C.E., the Honourable John Ross, and the Honourable James 
 Skead, which is submitted herewith. 
 
 Your Committee beg to report that they have no doubt as to the expediency of the 
 proposed Canal. They are satisfied that, if constructed, it would bo of immense value 
 to the commercial and general interests of the Province of Ontario, and of the whole 
 Diminion of Canada. The interests of Ontario, would be greatly promoted by the local 
 expenditure, aud the development of the extensive region of unoccupied land North and 
 West of the Canal, and the interest of the Dominion, by the introduction into the coun- 
 try of the large amount of capital, estimated at forty millions of dollars, required for its 
 construction ; by the encouragement of immigration ; and by the completion of a most 
 important link in the chain of through communication between the Great West and the 
 Old World. The Canal, if constructed, as it would be wholly within British territory, 
 would be a most important key to the trade of the West, and greatly conduce to the 
 establishment and continuance of reciprocal trade between this Dominion and the United 
 States of America. 
 
 Independently of these important national, commercial and social consideration, it is 
 obvious to your Committee that a largo accession of revenue must accrue to the Dominion 
 Exchequer, from the construction of this work, as out of an expenditure of forty millions 
 of dollars, chiefly for imported labor, a large amount must flow into the public chest 
 through Customs and Excise. 
 
 The testimony adduced before your Committee has satisfied them that the work is 
 practicable in an engineering point of view, but that unless a liberal grant of land be given 
 in aid to the Company, the work, in the opinion of your Committee, cannot be accom- 
 plished. 
 
 The following statement of comparative distances by different routes, shows the great 
 .saving that will be effected by this Canal when constructed : — 
 
 ' f CHICAGO AND QUEBEC. , 
 
 Via Lake Erie, the Welland and St. Lawrence Canals 1,560 miles. 
 
 Via Huron, and Ontario Ship, and St. Lawrence Canals.... 1,180 " 
 
 Making a saving of 370 " 
 
 CHICAGO TO NEW YORK. 
 
 r/a Lake Erie and Erie Canal 1,504 « 
 
 Fi'a Lake Erie, Welland Canal and Oswego 1,500 " 
 
 Fta Huron and Ontario Canal and Oswego 1,225 " " 
 
 |i|ii 
 
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 met for the con- 
 ny — say twenty 
 •h or otlier con- 
 s of land, 
 rs, John Hawk- 
 »ing their confi- 
 nrg9 Wythes, a 
 ke tho remain- 
 of the Uj^itod 
 
 trs from various 
 confidently the 
 k of the Com- 
 38 of land were 
 \t, without such 
 
 IJharles Tupper, 
 lourable James 
 
 )edioncy of tho 
 immense value 
 d of the whole 
 ted by the local 
 land North and 
 1 into the coun- 
 required for its 
 3tion of a most 
 -t West and the 
 Iritish territory, 
 conduce to the 
 and the United 
 
 isideration, it is 
 o the Dominion 
 f forty millions 
 he public chest 
 
 hat the work is 
 if land be given 
 nnot be accom- 
 
 shows the great 
 
 ) miles. 
 ) " 
 
 CIIICAUO TO LIVERPOOL. 
 
 Via Missiasippi and New Orleans 6,000 miles. 
 
 Via Erie Canal and New York 4,000 " 
 
 Via Welland Canal and St. Lawrence 4,180 *' 
 
 Via Huron and Ontario Canal and St. Lawrence 3,730 " 
 
 And it is shewn, in tho Report of the Canal Company's Engineer, Mr. Sykes, that by the- 
 saving of transhipment, a cargo of 1,000 or 1,200 tons shipped at Chicago for Liverpool 
 Via the Huron and Ontario Canal, would, under ordinary circumstances, reach Liverpool 
 before a similar cargo, shipped at tho same time. Via fiuflalo and £.ie Canal, could reach 
 New York. 
 
 The relations of the proposed Canal to the North-Wtwt Territory, and the develop- 
 ment of that extensive and valuable portion of the Dominion, are also, in tho opinion uf 
 the Committee, additional reasons for tho undertaking of the work. Tlie necessity for its 
 use would also, it is believed, lead to an international system of Navigation Law Ixttwcon 
 this country and the United States, which would be equally iust to both, and largely 
 stimulate the important industrial Jirancli of ship-building in tiiis Dominion. By means 
 of its construction the river St. Lawrence, which is the natural highway between tho 
 Great West (now rapidly becoming the granary of the world) and the consumers of Ku- 
 rope, would be more used than at present. The consequence would be the necessary en- 
 largement of the St. Lawrence Canals and the acquisition to that noble river of the vast 
 trade which nature intended it to have, but which the energy of man has hitherto, to a 
 large extent, diverted through artificial channels in the neighbouring Republic. By 
 means of the improvements suggested in the navigation of tlie St. Lawrence, and an im- 
 proved system of International Navigation Law, Canada would share, to a large extent, 
 in tho carrying trade of the world, and onr Confederacy would be enriched by the stream 
 of trade which would pass through our territory on its way to the ocean. 
 
 The which is nevertheless respectfully submitted. 
 
 ' KOBT. A. Harrison, M.P., Toronto West, Ont., Chairman. 
 
 The Hon. Cius. CoNNELL, M. P., Carlton, N. B, 
 The Hon. Charles Tupper, M.P., Cumberland, N. S. 
 The Hon. J. H. Gray, M.P., St. John, N. B. 
 The Hon. J. G. Blanchet, M.P., Levis, P. Q. 
 James Metcalfe, M. P., York East, Ont. - 
 
 James Beaty, M.P., Toronto East, Ont. 
 . , V. Amos Wright, M.P., York West, Ont. 
 
 G. H. SiMARD, M. P., Quebec Centre, P. Q. 
 L. H. Masson, M.P., Soulanges, P. Q. 
 Thos. D. McConkey, M.P., Simcoe North, Ont. 
 J. P. Wells, M.P., York North, Ont. 
 W. C. Little, M.P., Simcoe South, Ont. 
 George Jackson, M.P., Grey, South, Ont. 
 Thomas R. Ferguson, M.P., Card well, Ont. 
 
 House op Commons, Committee Room, No. 8, 
 Ottowft, 15th June, 1869. 
 
 « 
 
REPORT OF THE SELECT COMMITTEE 
 
 OF THE I 
 
 • f 
 
 ' LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF ONTARIO, 
 
 , ON THE , , 
 
 HURON & ONTARIO SHIP CANAL. 
 
 Wednesday, 22nd December, 1869. * 
 
 Mr. LouNT, from the Select Committee to which was referred the Petition reUting 
 to the Huron and Ontano Ship Canal, presented its Report, whicli was road, {hut not per- 
 mitted to he moved for adoption, hij the Hon. J. Sandfield Macdonald.)| 
 
 TnvRHVAY, Juntuirtj 7th, IS7\. . 
 
 On motion of Mr. Lount, seconded by Mr, Grahaaib (York), 
 
 Ordered, That the evidence taken at the lost Session of this Parliament, before the 
 Select Committee appointed to inquire into the present position of the Huron and Ontario 
 Ship Canal, and into the practicability and advantage of the proposed work, and also the 
 Report of such Committee, be referred to the Committee on Printing. 
 
 Wednesday, January 18lh, 1871. 
 
 Mr. Scorr (Ottawa), from the Committee on Printing, presented their Third 
 Report, which was read as follows : — ^ 
 
 Your Committee recommend that the following docnmeuts be printed : — 
 ' • Report of the Huron and Ontario Ship Canal Committee of Session 1869 (with evi- 
 dence). — (Appendix No. 1.) 
 
 Report of Registrar General of Births, &c. — {Sessional Papers No. 27.) , 
 
 Resolved, That the House do concur in the Third Report of the Committee on 
 Printing. ^ 
 
10. 
 
 REPORT OF COMMITTEE 
 
 HURON AND ONTARIO SHIP CANAL 
 
 THE REPORT NOT ADOPTED BY THE HOUSE. 
 
 NAL. 
 
 ion relating 
 but not per- 
 
 , before the 
 md Ontario 
 nd also the 
 
 leir Third 
 
 (with evi- 
 
 tmittee on 
 
 (The following Rtport wot nevtt ad<^ted nor toncurrtd in by the Lej/islatvrt.) 
 
 To THE HONORAOLK TIIK LeOISLATIVB ASSEMBLY. ONTARIO : 
 
 Th« Select Committee appointed to enquire into the present position of the Huron 
 and Ontario Ship Canal, and also into thu practicability and advantage of the propoMHl 
 work hare the honor to Report — 
 
 That they have uzamined various witnesses and much documentary evidence, includ- 
 ing mapr, plans, drawings and estimates connected with the project, aubmitte<l for their 
 consideration, and from which it appears to your Committee that no insuperable obstruc- 
 tions present themselves in the way of opening canal communication between the waters 
 of Lakes Huron and Ontario, l)oyond a necessarj' grant of lauds required by the capi- 
 talists and contractors as a condition precedent to tlu> contract. 
 
 For testimony as to the practicability and advantage of the work, your Committee 
 have had before them th« various reports of former committees presented to fonner Legis- 
 latures with the evidence thereto appended, as well as the oral evidence of its most 
 energetic promoter F. C. Capreol, Esq., and that of R. A. Harrison, FiSq., Q.C., M.P., Ex- 
 Chairman of the Select Committee of the Dominion Parliament of last Session, who veri- 
 fied the documentary evidence then given jind now before your Committee. They hare 
 also had the evidence of Adam Crooks, Esq., Q.C., J. A. Donaldson, Esq., Emigration 
 Agent, Henry Graham, Merchant, and Wm. Sykes, Esq., resident Engineer of the Canal 
 Company, and have examined his scientific and exhaustive report, replete with informa- 
 tion and convincing proofs of the incalculable advantages to the commercial and general 
 interests of the country arising from the construction of the Canal. 
 
 Your Committee have also read letters from Messieurs John Hawkshaw, of London, 
 England, and A. Rendell, of the same place, who rank among the most eminent Engineers 
 of wie age, expressing their confidence in the practicability of the project, based upon said 
 report. Also letters from Mr. Wythes, a reimledly wealthy and extensive English con- 
 tractor, to the same effect. 
 
 From the evidence documentary and otherwise, before your Committee, so thoroughly 
 does the project seem to have been canvassed, and so sensible of its practicability and 
 advantages do all parties appear to be, that your Committee deem it unnecessary to con- 
 sume time in adding arguments or opinion to the foregone conclusion that the construc- 
 tion of the canal is quite practicable, and that it would be perhaps the most advantageous 
 vrork which could be undertaken for the Dominion. 
 
 Your Committee have been most careful in the investigation of the question of means 
 to meet the construction of so vast a work and have no hesitation in reporting that in the 
 event of Mr. Capreol being able to effect the land grant which he seeks, there is strong 
 evidence of his ability to provide the necessary means and skill to accomplish the work. 
 
 Mr. Capreol produced to your Committee a proposal from reliable capitalists of the 
 
United Stutt**, to lutdfrtiikn oiip half thu cnnlrnct, ttoci>|itit))( in payment ont>-half the 
 Coni|iiiiiy'» Stork nny #'2().000,000, jirovidnl n j^rant of I0.(i0(),(i0(» urn-H of land i)c 
 obtained in uiil, au<I provided iilao that blngliMh eapitalintit would undcrtuke the other 
 half. 
 
 lie aUo iiibinifted letteri from MeRsi-tt. Ilawkithiiw and Kendell, het'ore mentioned, 
 and from Mr. (Jeorge Wythes, the above named Knglinh lontraelor, prop<)ninj{ to under- 
 take the remaining hidf upon like ternm. AUo other oorreMpondenee with E:,gliih 
 Financial Firms, giving amturance of the easy Male of the Company 'm stock, in the event 
 of the land ^raiit ahov)' mentioned being made. 
 
 Amongfit other evidence submitted, your Committee would renpectfully direct th» 
 attention of your Honourable Houi-e, to the suggeMtioUH ol the Honourable Mr. Tupper, 
 M. P., in luH evitlence before the Select Committee of the Hou.><e of Commons, during 
 luHt SeHttion, an to the pro|)riety of the Legislature of Ontario and the Dominion Ctovern- 
 luent, granting renpectively 5,000,000 acres of land, »'ach to secure the accomplishment 
 of 8o ilesiralile a project. 
 
 Your Committee would also respectfully urge the privilege of referring to the vast 
 millions of lathis, and the immense forests of most valuable timber, the water powers 
 and mineials lying to the north of Lakes Huron and Superior, to the opening up and 
 populating of which thi^i Canal would be the most immediate means. 
 
 Also to till' still more vast expanse of newly acquired territory, for the settlement of 
 which the Dominion is making active exertion, and with which there arc, in the opinion 
 of Your Committee, no means of communication comparable with that created by the 
 proposed Canal. To tlu tact also, that unless some such highway of travel to the outer 
 world is furnished, tlicri,' can be but little doubt that the trade and commerce as they are 
 developed in that Tei ritory, will find their way through a foreign country, to the waters 
 of the Mississippi, jind thus [tass off from us forever. 
 
 Your Ciiii.mittee are unanimous in the opinion, that innumerable advantages would 
 result from the construction of the Canal, and that no better u.«!o could be made of the 
 lands of the Dominion, than in the encouragement and establishment of projects such as 
 that submittttl for their consideration. When the voluntary capital, the sympathy and 
 exertions of > utside people, are ottered for our acce])tttnce, upon terms so easy of fulfil- 
 ment, Your Comndttee can see no valid reason for their rejection. The fact that 
 840,000,000 are ol)tainable for expenditure amongst us in exchange of 10,000,000 acres 
 of our lands, impn .xse.s Your Committee as one of the most favorable po.ssible overtures. 
 "Were those lands a commodity, which, when paiii lor l)y a foieign people, could be re- 
 moved and leave our country territorially less and poorer, there might then be some 
 slight subject for debate as to their value, and as to whether or not 84,00 per acre were 
 too small a price. Hut when the converse is the fact ; when we not only receive the 
 moneys into the country, l)ut retain our lands, still an undetached portion of our terri- 
 tory ; when the exi)enditurp of those moneys, opens up a vast highway of commerce, and 
 attracts the trade and attention of nations ; when the ownership (d' the lands exchanged, 
 establi.shes an intense intere;,! on the j)art of tlio.se proprietors, in the development and 
 population of our cotuitry, even in the .selfish vit;w of eidiancing their own capital, by 
 the corresponding increase in the value of these lands ; when each thus interested, will 
 naturally wscome a voluntai y agent. ad\ ising emigration to our shoies ; when the thous- 
 ands immigrating, even to perform the necessary labours (»f the undertaking, will be so 
 many added to our population ; when we rctlect tiuit tiie wealth of a nation consists not 
 in its territorial extent alone, but in the <'ulture of its soil, tlu; development of its re- 
 sources, and the numbers of its producers and consumers ; and when we reflect that in 
 the land, in its present state, unpopulateil and unimproved, we have at best but imagi- 
 nary wealth and barren w„sto ; yo'ir Committee cannot divest themselves of the feeling 
 that under the proposed arrangement, there is much to gain and nothing to be lost. 
 That, therelty, in truth, the country would' have still its land ; would have the canal con- 
 structed, and would have the money spent chiefly in our midst, with all' the advantages 
 resulting therefrom. 
 
 That whilst in the earlier development of our country, it mighC have been pardon- 
 able to smile at the sincerity and ardour evinced by Mr. CapreoT, in the advocacy and 
 
orie-hHif the 
 '>* «>> land l)c 
 iki' thf other 
 
 ;•' rncntjotied, 
 
 iiiK tu undor- 
 
 -itli E.-.Klith 
 
 ill tlie event 
 
 y direct the 
 
 Hr. Tupper, 
 
 lions, during 
 
 lion ( Jovern- 
 
 'inplishmcnt 
 
 K tu the va«t 
 iviiter powers 
 ling up uod 
 
 ^♦'ttlement of 
 
 the opinion 
 
 ■eated by the 
 
 to the outer 
 
 AH they are 
 
 the waters 
 
 itages would 
 made of the 
 j<!cts uuch as 
 
 nipathy and 
 asy of fulfil- 
 10 fact that 
 00,000 acres 
 le overtures, 
 could be re- 
 len be some 
 ^r acre were 
 
 receive the 
 f our terri- 
 ninerce, and 
 •'xchaiiged, 
 jpuient and 
 
 capital, by 
 rested, will 
 
 1 the tliouB- 
 will be 80 
 
 ;oiisists not 
 It of its re- 
 lect that in 
 but imagi- 
 the feeling 
 to be lost, 
 canal con- 
 idvantages 
 
 en pardon- 
 '^ocacy and 
 
 promotion of so vant a projort, Your C(»mmittefl feol that uiidnr thfl prnsont light of 
 science, engiieeriiiK skill and open money market of the wftrld, added to th»i fact of Mr. 
 Capreol'H iiidomitulile etierny and iindinput.iMe Hnan ial iikill, there is miirh to hojw for. 
 And even were they ignorant ut' the fact, that in those earlier day», h« was instrumental 
 in surmounting dirtlcidlies, companitively greater thun the prenei"*, in the projection and 
 construction of our Hist and most remunerative railway, tliey would feel bound, from 
 facts before tliefn, to commend, in strongest terms, the invaluable agency of his efforta 
 and the indubitaltle feasibility of their realization. 
 
 Your (/'omniittee herewith nubmit the various evidence adduced before them, and 
 al)ovo referred to, which they woubl respectfully recommend to be printed -'iid flistribu- 
 ted for the more convenient use and information of Your Honourable House. 
 
 All which is respectfully submitted. 
 
 VVM. LOUNT, Ckairman. 
 Committee Uuom, 21«/ Dtctmbtr, 18G0. 
 
 Mr. Capreol addressed the Committee, stating that the ITiiron and Ontario Ship 
 Canal Company was and had been acting under the authority of Acts of the late Legis- 
 lature of Canada, 19 A 20 Vic, Cap. 118, and 29 Vic, Cap. 7H. That he saw by t!io 
 construction of the Canal, that it would be necessary to eidage the St. Lawrence Canal, to 
 improve the iSt. Lawrence rsaches and the construction of the Hiiy Verte ( 'mal so as to 
 effect an unrivalled water communication from the head of Luke Superior with the 
 Atlantic, for Vessels of 1200 Uma and upwards. That with our railroad facilities and a 
 free water communication halt" across tlie continent of British North Atnerica, the Dominion 
 of Canada must become the star of attraction for emigrants, whiKt at pr'-sent the United 
 States by its governmental liberality in land grants and other bonuses to enterprising 
 companies attracted the best classes of emigrants, and the wealth and industry from aU 
 parts of the world, giving and causing immediate emplovment in great public works. 
 That as the Chief Executive Officer of the (Company, he had, with tlie authority of his 
 colleagues, spent large sums of money in prosecuting the intentions of the Legislature in 
 their Acts granting to the Provincial Board of r)irectors, such powers. He was confident 
 that if the land asked for was granted, the work would be constructed and finished within 
 five years without taxation, fie had done everything possible thus far, not only in this 
 country but in the United States and in England, and from the position in which he was 
 placed, his valuable private and other connections had enabled him to enter such social 
 and business circles of society, amongst Peers, Capitalists, Engineers and Contractors that 
 the project of the Canal was now considered in Asia, America, Europe and Africa, as one 
 of the greatest wonders of the age. Mr. Hawkshaw and Mr. Rendell are constantly 
 receiving letters soliciting places upon the staff. In view of progress thus effected ; in 
 view of the labour with cost and trouble which he had expended, tlio maintenance of the 
 official staff and office, the journies here and there, added to the fact of jx-titions num- 
 bering over 200,000 inhabitants he thought the matter deserving of the liest attention of 
 Parliament. 
 
 Mr. Landi'V — I hope Mr. Capreol will continue the inve.stigation, and confine his 
 remarks to that. Has he any more con'espondence from those gentlemen in England, in 
 continuation of that which he has submitted to us, showing the present position of the 
 parties propo.sing to contract 1 
 
 IVilness—l was in hopes that Mr. Harrison would be here, and Mr. Crooks is also 
 engaged deeply in the courts at this moment He has valuable information to give, and 
 would he able to give evidence to verify what I have said. 
 
 Hon. Mr. Cameron again suggested that the object of the enquiry was to ascertain 
 the present position of the (!ompany. If he had not that now, it could stand over. 
 
 Mr. Capreol said it would now be his duty to lay before the Committee the estimates 
 and report prepared by Mr. William Sykes, which went to show tlio practicability of the 
 work. 
 
 (Report submitted.) 
 
 This had been read by the gentlemen in England, and confirmed, but had not been 
 printed in full. It was thought, by Mr. Hawkshaw, that it had better be delayed before 
 
puhlioAtinii, in cuiiMii|iiKniK »( lumin probahln ani*>iiilrii«Mitii iwinn nropitantl in thi* roi»> 
 p«ny. Thf Ki'titl«'iii»"ri iii KiikI»ii<I u|i|tn»vo wry \\m\\\y of thix K<'|N>rt, uiitl wurw v»rjr 
 much i)lfiM»'(l with Mr. SykfH. Tlit-y thiiilt it wmilil (»• » v<ry nrrnt Aii|iiii«itioii 
 
 Mr. htutltr- Kt'l'oni wi< k*> <*» ^'i ''^>*' pmiticiMlity "f tlit* «i'|i)>ni(', I «hoiiUI lik« to 
 Mk WitiiPM wliotlit-r ho hiu nnv oihir li-tti>r<4 >iiiiiiliii' to thtwc of Mr. lUwImhftw'a, thtt 
 i« * vttry itnportniit U<Uvr. Aiv >lH'r)> luiy imlifatioiiH iiimi thi< I'ompiuiy, thi> roiitrActing 
 party itt KtiKlnml, to Mhow whAl kiinl of liiii<l would Ik* MivupUiltl)', or Anything iti r»{#r- 
 enctt to thit locality. 
 
 Hon. Mr. (.'anuiitn — 1 NuppoNO ih«>ri' wnn iio iliMiUhMioii iw to wliMt iliMtnct tht> lumi 
 WM t<> c«im« from. 
 
 fyitnf.is— It wiu nil th<> north nhort' of l,»ki' Sii|H'rior nml Lake Miimii, tht< IIoIImmI 
 MarnhnM luid th** NottiiwikMk^ii Pittrirt. 
 
 A/r. /xiM'^/T - Th>*y ilo m t Niipp<>Ni< thiit tli4> ^'riiiit of ti-ii iiiilliotiM of ncru*, that i« 
 alludfil to, iit inttiiidt'd to lii< siirvt'\ii| laii<l t 
 
 lyUnfM — No; liiit it is iiUo iiiii|('i-<i<>oii tlmt thr ^^niiit ol ten inillioriM of land ia 
 iat«nd»«l to Im* a houiiM to thi< .NtorklioMoiH. Ah fat lus I liuvt) Itfttii able, (fl^iitUaicn, I 
 bnvo nct«<d in ii Htriiightforwni'd iimiiiifr, ami I liuvc relied Nolt>ly on my Ktruiglitfurwajiti- 
 neM to carry me through. I nni nrti an unginufir, Itut ineroly a gtMitleninn <>iigiigvd ia ihr 
 prumutiou of thiH work. 
 
 Mr. J/ounl—h wiw Htatod, hy Mr. ('rook«, that tin- Co .ipony would »'X|M>ct lui luldi 
 tioTuU grant or (iovfiiiiiient gunnuitef of hoiii*> r,niall amount of iuti-ri'Mt on a |)()rtion, My 
 untvfuurth ttf tli<* caitital. l>o yoii know aiiytliiiig of iIuh I 
 
 Mr. daprfol Xo. There i.s no nieiition of .siieh in the contract ; hut in the cvetit of 
 tho 8t. Lawrence Ciinals being deepened or improved by the tuuiiu company, it wiui men 
 tioned in muw convemationH, that a Ainnll .subsidy or guarantee for a numlHir of yean, 
 might be r»'i|uirHl. Thix, however, lian no (-unnectiun with the canal grunt of land. Mr. 
 Cruokit may have confuundi>d it with the other. 
 
 Mr. L<mnt-- Mr. t'aprnol in roference to tho letters you have produ«e«l from Loudon, of 
 tho Hon. Dr. Tupper to Sir John A. Macdonald, and the llun. John Saiidtiold Mocdunald, 
 relative to a minute in council, granting the land aaked for, that the capitalUtf would 
 ■end out at their own oxpen.s«, the engineers, M<>H,irK. llawkidiaw and Rendell, to turvay 
 tho route of the canal, and if the re[)ort of Mr. S} ko.H waa found tatiafatitory, tlioy would 
 at once proceed with the work, wa« it «o T 
 U'ltwss — AIoHi decidedly. 
 
 Mr. Lmni~'V\\v.\\ you believe that the capital of |40,UU0,00U would have Iteon 
 raised. 
 
 Wiine.vi — Certainly, preliminary arrangements were agreed upon, that the whole 
 capital stock ishuuld be taken at a certain rate, and the proceeds invested in the uamea of 
 three trustees, and traiLslorrud tu certain stocks ; that the invnstorH should receive a mioi- 
 mum dividend of 3 per cent, during construction, taking their eliiim of a larger dividend 
 when the canal was conifdeted. 
 
 Mr. Lmnt — Have you any objections to name the contractors for the wholo capital 
 stock \ 
 
 WitiifM — It would not be prudent, but I do state, that were I to mention the namoa, 
 there could be no iloubt of the party, even if the capital was 180,000,000, instead of 
 $40,000,000, there being on the r>th January, 1808, a surplus capital in England, of over 
 £56,000 000 Stg. seeking investment. 
 
 Mr. Lounl — Your company then would require the laud as tho work proceeds, namely, 
 as you spend a million of dollars, you n^^uire a million of acres of land, and so onl 
 
 lFilness—T\\At is the condition to the extent of 10,000,000 of acres. 1 will further 
 add that the locality ought to be determined unon, and the land vested in trustees in 
 this country. So that there would be three ifiuancial Trustees in Enfjlaud. and three 
 Trustees for the land in Canada. 
 
 Mr. Lounl — Have you any correspondence? It is stated in your report, that you had 
 interviews with American capitalists. Have you any letters i 
 
 Witness — Produced letters from the American capitalists, and Mr. Wythes of Eng- 
 land, contractors ; also from Messieurs Hawkshaw and Reudell, engineers, of EagUnd ; 
 
— ftUn friim arvtnU (itiHucml Anim of I.oikIoh, K.nt(lMn<i , aluo, Mr Hykt'n rf>tN>rt ; itlK», 
 Mr. ilArtniun'it ii'|M)rt or |,«<|{iiiliitivii Aw««nil>ly, IH07 ; liUo, Mr Mr«'i>iiki7« rupnrt of 
 LogiaUtive AtMniKly, IN)U 
 
 (Higfiftl) Frkk. r. Capiiioi.. 
 
 CiNMniUM Ko<»tii, aiW Ihr., IHOtf. 
 
 MUHOK AND ONTARKI SHIP ('ANAI.. 
 
 Thin < '(mimittM tiMa in riMtm l'\ nt !)..Vi A. M. 
 
 PrDHOtit Mr. Luiint, (('likiminti) ; lion. Mr. (^trnHmn, M«*«NrN. nHv«r, Fi»rgtHir>B, 
 Willi«m», (Ihirhatn); Swiiurtnn, (irnhiinii', (York) ; MoCall, (Norl'olk), mui liAudM. 
 
 Mr. (Jruokii wm uxniniiwij iim to the |>nM'liciil»ility of tbc work. !{•• naid Mr. Hyktm 
 liatl pn«M)i)t«<l A r<t|H>rt to Mr. ilawkvliAw aiuI Mr. Hi<n«li«ll, of KiikIaihI. AnituninK tlmt 
 Mr. HyktV data woru t'orrMi, tht'y liiwl cohm* to tliM i'oikIiimoii that thvrw wcn^ no I'liiti- 
 naurikiK difficultieM wliioli could not Im* niirmountitd. la u cotiviirMution, wliioh hi*, (Ntr. 
 Crwtkii), ha<l in tli«i mouth of May hiHt, with Mr. H«nd*'li, wiiil« in KiiKliwid, that ^mille- 
 man introduced tht* quriitioii of thn caiinl hiniMsIf Mr. Utindoll v/tw not uwunt that h«, 
 (Mr. Crookii), occupii'd the poitition of Frnvinional Dirwlor <tf tlin Tompany. In th« 
 cunvorMtioD, Mr. Ki>udvll Haid hn diil not m-c how th** |ioo|)i« of Ciuiiida won* no Mind a* 
 not to HCfi it wonhl h« to their ad vantage to ifivo AMNintiinrw to t|i)< ('itinnanv in the Hha))« 
 ot a Un<i grant. Mr. Uondrll'H )N>Hition tm un cn^inMor. wim oiii> of tho nighent. H« wiu 
 at that tinii) connocttMl with rxt«*nMiv«> railway oprriitionii in Knglund, Hh (Mr. (^rookii), 
 did not iwA Mr. Ilawk*huw poraonally, hut there wun no ipieiitidn an to hit )mun the for«- 
 nioat man in hi* pjoffMNJon at thf proHont day. II)! iiiul h.tcn conniu-tttd with a f^roat 
 many extennivi» worku, mon' particularly nucIi uh nderred to tlii> xnifnce of hydraulicM. 
 He waa apfMtintal to iiup«rinttMid liirgo workn in Holland, and h«> hud l>e« ii !*«>nt to initpect 
 the Suez (!unal, on niont than ono mTanion. Tht* la.<it ^''-'it work on wliiHi hi.-t opinion 
 had hefln aaked for, to detemiinn whether it whould l>«> uiidrrtaken or not, wa>< the pm- 
 jvcted tunnel acronK the ntraitn of Dover, which tomo Kiiricli en)(inecrs had Ixun trying; 
 to work up for Home time. He (Mr. C,) merely mentioned iIiIm to nIiow wh.it a large 
 authoiity Mr. Hawkshnw wan on i\\ientumH connected with en;^ineering. Mr. Ilawknhaw 
 had given hia opinion in favor of the practicahiiity of cniistnictinK the Huron and Onla- 
 rio Ship Canal. Now, with rcHjMM't to the prewont |»osition of thin ncheine, he wouhl nay 
 that every thing had Iw^en nccnmplif*hed, except the huildinf; up of a financial Htnictur*. 
 The fulleat potwihle information had lieen ohtained thni was iiece«w»ry lor any one to be 
 infomed upon with reference to the practicability of the work, and the advantages to be 
 derived from ita conHtrnction, and the nimple qucntioii now. v. an the one of wayn and 
 mfMna. Mr. William Freeland, referring to this qiie.xtion, Hai'l ther«i could l>e little diffi- 
 culty in obtaining the neceft««ry advance* from Knglish cnpitalii-lH. He !<poke with per- 
 fect confidence on the matter, and said, " Mr. fJrookn. there ciii lie no doubt, if you can 
 get a grant of ten millionH of ncrcH, you will .succeed. I»iit you muHt either have that or a 
 guarantee of Home kind. He (Mr. ('..) «nw Mr. Wytlics. mid he sniil th<' gigantic nature 
 of the enterprise was no obntacle - in fact, it was rather nn adviuitage, for capitiilistH did 
 not care to embark in small enterpriHcs. They wouM rather uniiertake one like tluH, in- 
 volving five or ten million.s Hterling, but there wiw a necessity for a land grant as well. 
 CapitaliHtt) did not care to enter upon a work on wluit was called " the merits of the 
 work" alone. It whh difficult for a jiovernment to construct railways on its own guaran- 
 tee. However clear the nierilH of '.lie work, a backiiif; of some kind was re({uirod. He 
 rofeiTod t(» the IlliiioiR (Jeiitral Hallway nm\ other <,'rt-at works, which had bec()me sue- 
 cesuful in congequence of having large tractH of land beside thei'- own niorits to fall back 
 on. liail way* had K'"""'" i"t" discredit in Kngland lat-ly. Chi itnlists had como to un- 
 derstand that ailway ticbenturea were not a charge on tiie property, but merely a lieu on 
 the eaniiugs or iucinin* of the railway. 
 
 Hon. Mr. Cameron wished to ki'iow if he had any liscussion respecting the value of 
 the ten millions of land, which the Company asked for. 
 
 Mr. Crooks Baid that he t'xplaine*! that the lands we e different from those granted to 
 the Illinois Central Railway Company. They wore vulnablo principally for the timber 
 •ad minerals. 
 
lion. Mr ('Mniornii aAiil lii* «ii|i|><>«i«i tlmn thnt ao lontf m lltn inillinn* of ftcrM w«r« 
 grantril, it dul not iimttrr ti rn|> when' tliry wi<ri' iiitiiatctl. 
 
 Mr. I'nxiki O, no ' tlnri' witiiM Im thu fiilli-«t iiiv(»«ti)(ittii)ii of tliK trMt. 
 
 lion. Mr. i'nmmm Ttn'ii it i« not niiTcly » tcti niilliim ucn<4 ki"*"^' y*'" ^i^t^^ ' 
 
 Mr. CriKilj nnu\ it woiilil Ih> ni><'i>i«iiitry for lli« rniiitl to t^ct further awlatuncit than 
 thiit. They woiiM ri'i|utti' Monii* ^oM'itiiiiiDl ^iiiirunici' of ti fiTtAtn otiinll mnount of 
 int<<ri>Rt on a itninll |iiitt »f tlic luintiil Day >>ui< toiittli i>|' it 'lliiii w.m ul>out the nxtant 
 of hi* (■otivcrtntinti miiIi the K''iii>*'i>it*ri In* >«|ioki' of. lie wiu not in Kn^lnml itt tlm lima 
 in th«* inli'D'Ht of tli<< nknul, iiml lie i-iirru'il no • iviliMitiaU from tlM< Conipnny. Ilia con 
 VttrtAtionit on thi* titlijiri, ui-ii' niiTcly inriilfritul m* it wi<ri' 
 
 Mr. Limnt l)iil you itiilnut)' in ymir convcnnliuni that tin* land* wtra iitUAttd on 
 th« north nhorfii of l.nki** Superior iiml Huron \ 
 
 Mr. ('rooh No, I kn<*w nothing uhoiit tln-in. 
 
 TIm CuiuiuittuM tti^uui ntiil at U).l^ A. M., till 'I'uvwUy UMik 
 
 foMMITTKIt. 
 
 Th« CominittrK mrt in room No. A, at 10 o'clock thi«« morning. 
 
 PrrKtMit - Mr. Liunt, (Cluiirniiui) ; llmi. Mr. I'liincron and McMrn. Wallis, Laudtr, 
 \\ illinniH, (Onrhntn) ; < iniliiini)-, (Vurk), Mays iind Coym-. 
 
 Mr. (7a|>n>ol mid tlu> <'om|mny hiul nothing to runciml, nml thny courted thn itrictaat 
 iiivcatijjfttion. 
 
 Mr. lliuriHoii. M. I'., wuMittllcd on. ||i> mu(; thtTM wum ii .S«di'rt Committee appointfld 
 hy thi' lloii.st' of ('iiiiiinoiH at Ottiiwu. last MfuMon, to inv*'Hti^iit*' into tli*t priicticahilitjr 
 and ««x|)fdnin (• of tln' wmk. Tin' < 'ominittic wuh loiiiposfil of ini'inlifrt from all parta 
 of tho Dominion 'I'Idw rrpuiti'd in tiivot of th»> Nrhctntt, and wi>r«> i|iiit<> iiniiniinou* in 
 di'claring their liflit-f in tin- |)romii4(>s made to tin- ('oni|)iitiy Ity canitaliMtM in (iiuiit iSritain 
 and tlui Uniti'd Stall's. Tliiit' war* no att>'iiipt iiiadr to liian tiic Coininittoo l)V undue 
 intlui^ncp, and hr did not ht'lii-vc tln'i<' wcic any of its nit'iiitu-rH who could Im) so influ 
 enc«>d. Thu tnfiiilH'rH from the Lowj'r IVovinci'M, sn-nicd to lako a very warm internil in 
 the scheme, and to ivptrd it aH a ^reat iiatiniial work. Tho Coniuiittee were not ap- 
 pointed to report p'spfctinj; a land ^'laiit, l»iit ihcy ciiiisidiTed that without nuch a grant, 
 the canal could not he con.itnicted. They believed that the wild landw of the country 
 could not be better employed. Tln-y considered that it wouhl be an immense benefit to 
 the whole Dominion, from the introduction of labour and capital, anil the improved 
 means of communication with tin West. Uy the term Western country, was meant not 
 only the Western States nf the mii^hboiirinf; liepuldic, but also the Red River Territory. 
 It was believed that without additional security, the canal could not be constructed. 
 There were othe'ouMi^ts for the produce of the Wesi, but they were not hO short or other- 
 wise so well titled, i.s this piojected canal would be. It wa.s found that the grain wan 
 injured in passinj,' through the Krie Canal. I>y the warm waters in that channel, but this 
 difficulty would l)e obviated in tin- (ieoijiian Hay Canal, for the waters fr»)m Lake Huron 
 would always bo cool. It was i iiisidercd l!:at the deepening of the St. Lawrence Canals, 
 would greatly benefit the Huron .iiid Ontario Can I, and without that, seagoing vessels 
 could not reach Lake Ontario. There was no evidence of mariners taken. His opinion 
 was that a grant of five millions of acres to the Company, with certain checks, could not 
 be better employed. What he meant by checks, was to grant the land as the canal 
 advanced. Mr. (apieol said it was not the intention of the Company to make the de- 
 mand for ten millions of acres without checks. They proposed to receive one million of 
 acres for every million of dollars expended. He me.int by that that the Company would 
 expect to receive one million of acres on the north shore of Lake Superior, as soon as 
 they should have expended a million of doUara, and so on, till the ^10,000,000 were 
 expended. 
 
 Mr. Harrison said, taking the experience of the United States — and they had been 
 most successful in the construction of their public works — the best way to build the 
 canal, was to grant the laud to the Cumpauy, and allow them to settle it themselvea. 
 
r AiTM w«r« 
 
 II w«nt I 
 tUnrn thtn 
 II umuunt i)f 
 lit tlir nxUlit 
 I At rlin tim* 
 y Ilia flon 
 
 e «itu»t«<l on 
 
 ftllU, I^ud«r, 
 
 tlitt itrictMt 
 
 t*>e A|)|H)iiiteH 
 pructicabilitjr 
 ntni ull part* 
 inaiiitnuuii in 
 
 iifut iirituiii 
 to«i hv iiniluf 
 1 Ih) do in flu 
 m iiitereil in 
 worn not »p- 
 Ruch A grant, 
 
 tho country 
 isfl benefit to 
 Ik' improved 
 nfl meant not 
 er Territory. 
 
 constructed, 
 lort or other- 
 iio grnin wan 
 iiiol, but this 
 
 Lake Huron 
 lence Canals, 
 i?()ing vessels 
 
 His opinion 
 ks, could not 
 
 as the canal 
 make the de- 
 ne niilliun of 
 iipany would 
 T, as soon a.s 
 •00,000 were 
 
 ley had been 
 
 to build the 
 
 b themselvM. 
 
 Tb« Comniitti^ wi*rp iinnnimoiia in »>xflfiMain(( ihia virw Thrre was i>vii?rne« laid b«for« 
 th'mio kht'w ihui It wtiiilil bf A jnooa comrnvrv-inl uivraimrnt Thi' ( oniniiltrn did nut 
 CO into thi* i|uralii>n of jurixlittion, «).* that L ' M not lay whrthrr thi* Itoniinion or 
 Ontario, ahoiild Krniit th«« Ini I 
 
 Hon Mr ('anu'ron aaketl if th«>r« wa« .</'> < biimpsKtic ii«i*d to n itluonci* th«« Com* 
 mitt«*r in I'avor of the ■rhenie ( 
 
 Mr. Hurriaoii aaid no chiiiiiptigrKf w\* ua«>d in thf foom. Mr Cnprcol invited lita 
 frirnda to dlink with lillii at otlM'.' timea; Mit he wna the kame ?' all tiniea The I'acili 
 tits for trana|Hirt fntiii the Nnitli Wiat, wnc no iiiore thnii aiilticient to loiet the require- 
 ments of the preaent day, uiid nut one letitli of the North Weat wiw yet aetthd Tho 
 Huron Canal, if conatriicted, wouhl an\e 37(> mileit Wtw^iP Chicago and l^ueber, and 
 would be much ohorter than the Krie route. The Cnniniittee examined H<>n Mr. Kkead, 
 who waa Hot in favor of thi< Mihenn, Imt the lino geiillituaii declared aa hia opiniuD, 
 that the Ottawa route wax impnutmilile ax a xhip <atuu. 
 
 Mr. I lonnldsv)! , Kmigraiit Agent, wa** in'.xl • xaiiiined. 
 
 He aaid the bulk of eniigraiitM who arrive bete. Were lalHiiirer* and mechanica, and 
 the coiiatriu'tion ol il>i» Canal would viiintintge eiui^^ration, aii<l i^ive I'Miploymeiit to all 
 that would cuine. He had luit tb<' Nli^bewt dniibl tlml pU'iit> of lulMjuiera loiild be ob- 
 tained to buihl the canal. The bulk of the emigranta who ariive here, buloiigetl lu a 
 data which would not be lit to work on farma ; but wmdd be well voilcd for canal 
 labourera, and their prelimiiiaiy training on >tui b a work a/t the pro|Miii'd canal, would tit 
 them to aettle the wild laiuU of the country. He believed the aiiiKiuin enw tit that public 
 works Were about to be ninNttiicted, xuiinilated iniiiiigiation more than the oiler of free 
 grants. Of cnurae, it would be better to tdlVr both iiidiicemeiitH. S<> far ax we know, 
 public (opinion waa atrongly in favour of theHilienu', and be had heard *'iit one expression 
 on the aubject of the ten million grant, that it ahouM be given to the ronipany. [t 
 wouhl be the meana of developiuK laiida w hiih are now U'veleaa, ami would bring a Urge 
 amount of capital and UNeful labour lo the country. 
 
 Mr. FurgUNon Huggefttod thai i|Ui'stionh of Huch importance shonid be -.ubmitted and 
 answered in writing, The Chairman and Mr. Lauib-r aiiio concurred. 
 
 The auggeatiou \«ai adoptid, and the Committee adjourned at lO.bi A M.. till half 
 past nine o'clock tomorrow morning. When Mr. Sykcs will be examim d. 
 
 I'KOCEKniNfiS IN Co.MMITTKK. 
 
 Tlie Select Committee *nppoiiite<l by the L.-gislnluie on this 8ubie(t, met iignln yes- 
 terday roriiing. Mr. I.oiint in the ('liair. (Imiiig the first part of thi- prMctedingH. but 
 being required at another Committee, Mr. (Irali.uiic tnok the Cliair. 
 
 Mr. (Jraliam of King Street, iiirnrintil tli.' (''>iniiiitTcc tli.tt. wImii in lioudon, Mr. 
 Eastman, a merchant, had iiifurmed biiu ilial tli<' inouey wa.- n aily tor ihiri tanal. They 
 only wanted a grant of land. As a merchant of this City, Mr, (Jiabam wa*, sure the 
 canal would do a {ileal deal of ;,'0(hI, and ibat the t'celin.a was generally in favor of the 
 work. Mr. Kastman, of LoikIom. was a ui.in of lar;."' wealtb and couucctiuim. He assured 
 him (Mr. (iraham) that the nmney wa.s Ivini.' idl'' in the \aults. and that they w;ere only 
 waiting for a grant to go on at once with the \vork,-<. Tin y did riot enter into a diHciiHsion 
 as to the amount of money that was in the vault.-*. .Mr. Kantinan was extensively engaged 
 in business, but he ha.s n<'>w retired, lb' i> a partner in the house of Uothchild. Mr. 
 Eastman was satisfied it would be a good .■<pc( illation. 
 
 Mr. Cameron wanted to know whether anything had been said about going on with 
 the matter without land. 
 
 Mr. (Jiaham said no, nothing of the kind had been said, it was only a casual conver- 
 sation. 
 
 Mr. W. Sykcs, Civil Engineer, banderl in a series of written answers to questions 
 that had been furnished to him, as follows : - 
 
 1. Have you examined the route of the proposed canal ( 
 
 Answer — Yes. 
 
 a. Will you describe its chiet characteristic features < 
 
An»uer — It ia iittended to coinitutnce at Lake Ontario, near the mouth of tlte River 
 Humber, and loUow thf valley of that river to tlie villagi- of Horwick, from which place 
 it will follow the eastern hruiu'h of that river to the towiuhip of King, then, by a large 
 excaviitioii, to the viilley of the iloiiiind River, which it is proponed to deopen and 
 •traighU-n. Lake Sinieoe will tlien he utilized for naviguhle purposes as far as Barrie, 
 from which point, to the NottawiiHugii River, another excavation of some importance 
 occurs. It is proponed to follow that river for fifteen mileH, deepening and straightening 
 the Hauie as fur as .lack's) hake, from which point an excavation will be mode to tlie mouth 
 of that river, to avoid a large tletoiir 
 
 3. Are you aware what haa been stated publicly in regard to the water supply '\ 
 Amwer—\ am. 
 
 4. What is your opinion a.s to the sutliciency of the supply of water 1 
 Anstvir — That it Ih largely in excess of the requirements of the canal 
 T). Have you estimated the cost of the construction of this canal 1 
 Answer — 1 have. 
 
 C. What is the estimated cost of its construction t 
 
 Anmer — About 30 millions of dollars, including right of way. 
 
 7. If the caiuil was constructed, could it pass a sufficient amount of freight to pay 
 expenses, and a reasonable dividend ? 
 
 Jnsircr — It could. 
 
 8. In arriving at the conclusion on the last cjuestion, have you estimated the cost of 
 maintenance and managemei'*^ ( 
 
 Answer — I iiave. 
 
 y. Will yo\i inform the Connnittee what is your estimatejof tolls for revenue and 
 dividend ? 
 
 Answer — My estimate of receipts and tolls are as follows : — 
 
 5, 1 75,000 tons at SO cents $4,220,000 
 
 Deduct cost of maintenance and management 175,500 
 
 ,, $4,044,500 
 
 10. Do you cou.si'ler this project to be complete in itself, or will improvements in 
 the St. Lawrence be nf ;essary to .supplement this undertaking] 
 
 Answer — To make this canal a commercial success it is absolutely necessary to give 
 :i similar capacity to the navigable canals and .shoals of the St. Lawrence. 
 
 11. On what grounds do you conceive there is a necessity for such a work as thist 
 Answer — On several, amongst others the manifest insufficiency of the present routes 
 
 to convey the produce of the west to the Atlantic cities and European ports. Alio, the 
 necessity of o])eniiig up to the world at large the vast timlter and mineral regions lying 
 on tlu! north shores of [jakes Huron antl Superior. Facilitating the construction of ship 
 building on a large scale in tlis aforementioned districts of Canada. Facilitating com- 
 mnnioation with uiir Noith-Wcst, formerly the Hudson Hay Territory. Securing to 
 Canada a lonj^ and imiiortaiit link in a future comnumication between Jiurope and Asia. 
 Giving to Canatla an iiuportant position in making arrangements with the neighbouring 
 Republic for reciprocal trade, and certaiidy ef securing peaceful relations with that Ke- 
 public. 
 
 12. What arc the chief .sources of traffic upon which you will depend t 
 
 Answer — On tlie I'uited States for grain, barrelled and cut meats, salt, mineral and 
 merchandise. From Canada chiefly lumljer and minerals, with returns of emigrants and 
 merchandise. 
 
 13. Can you disanguish what will be peculiarly from the United States, and what 
 is strictly Canadian t 
 
 Ariswer— 'My answer to the last question separates them generally. 
 
 14. From what sources did you derive your data for estimating the amounts of 
 traffic ? 
 
 Answer — From the reports of the Boards of Trade of the different cities of Chicago, 
 Milwaukee, Buffalo, and otiiors, and also from the traffic returns of the Saulte Ste. Marie, 
 the Welland, the Erie, the Oswego, and the St, Lawrence CanaU. 
 
of the River 
 which place 
 
 n, by A large 
 deepen and 
 
 ar as Barrie, 
 importance 
 
 itraightening 
 
 lu ilie mouth 
 
 lupply 1 
 
 reight to pay 
 d the cost of 
 revenue and 
 
 )00 
 500 
 
 500 
 roveraents in 
 
 isary to give 
 
 'k as this t 
 resent routes 
 8. Also, the 
 regions lying 
 ction of ship 
 litatiug coin- 
 Securing to 
 >e and Asia, 
 leighbouring 
 ith that Ke- 
 
 mineral and 
 migrants and 
 
 s, and what 
 
 e amounts of 
 
 I of Chicago, 
 a Ste. Marie, 
 
 Iff. What in the date to which you have brought this estimate t 
 Antu'tr — The year 1866 in most instances, in some only to the your 1866, in tumb«r 
 and staves through Buffalo only to the year 1862. 
 
 16. What was the population and proportionate area of land undor cultivation for 
 the districts which you took into account t 
 
 AntKer—'l\\e area of land which I estimate as tributary to this canal in the United 
 Statt amonntH to 614,548 square miles, say 394,310,720 acres. The population of which 
 area in IHOO amounted to 4,132,827, and tlio amount of land under cultivation attl at time 
 was 24,983,680 acres, being less than seven ])er cent, jf the total area. In addition to 
 this vast extent of country, there is our own North-West Territery, which is estimfw .. at 
 a much krger extent of valuable mineral and agricultural lands. 
 
 17. Have you estimated the comparative costs of fi-eight between this route ond 
 others now in existence t 
 
 Answer — I have. 
 
 18. What do you consider will be the advantage derived from the construction of 
 this canal 1 
 
 Answer — A reduction of 50 per cent, in freight, and a saving of time in the trans- 
 port of freight to nearly the same extent. 
 
 19. In estimating the cost of constructing this work, on what data have you pro- 
 ceeded ) 
 
 Answer—By first preparing plans and specifications of what works I conceived would 
 be adequate for the reiiuiremonts of this canal, then carefully calculating the quantitie* 
 of the same, aud bringing out the results at what I believed to be goo<l and sufiicient 
 rates. 
 
 20. Will you inform the Committee what are the chief items of your estimate ? 
 Anneer—Kartiivforkn, about 61,000,000 of cubic yanls, about 1,500,000 cubic yard« 
 
 of ptiddling, about 61 J miles of sloped protection and retaining piles, in deep excavation, 
 42 locks, 27 waste wiers, 4 x-ailway bridges, 24 other bridges, 35 miles of hydraulic main, 
 
 f)ermanent and temporary fencing, terminal harbours, and crib protections in Lake Simcoe, 
 and and severance damages, with culverts, flood off-lets, towing paths, wharves, work- 
 shops, ofiices, and other Morks of a minor character. 
 
 21. Can you givo the Committee any details showing the manner in which these 
 estimates have been arrived at 1 
 
 Answer — I can. My book of estimates is hero for the inspection of the Comnuttec. 
 
 22. Arc you aware that it has been stated that if this canal was filled with vessels 
 from stem to stern, and night and day, it could not pass sufficient freight to warrant the 
 expectation of a dividend ? • /.n i • u 
 
 Answer — I am aware of what has been so stated, viz : that if it was filled with ves- 
 sels from stem to stem, it would not pay. 
 
 23. What is your opinion regarding that statement 1 * •. 
 Answer— 'ThsX it is totally untrue, and has originated, in my opinion, in an error of 
 
 calculation, in a report made by M. P. Hayes, Esq., to the Board of Trade of Toronto, 
 which was received and adopted at the annual meeting of that Board, February 2/ th^ 
 1856, vide page 35, of that report. ,- 
 
 24. What is your estimate of the capacity of this canal ? ' 
 
 - Gnawer— My estimate of the actual capacity of the canal, is 19,008,000 tons iwr 
 year, but as the prospect of return freight are much more limited than freight going to 
 the Ejvst, I have teduced this estimate to 12,672,000 tons per year. 
 
 25. Can you indicate to the Committee, or in any way state that any official com- 
 munications have passed between any of the States Governments and the Government 
 of Canada 1 ^ . _,,. . . ^, 
 
 Answer—Yen. In 1863, a deputation was sent from the State of Illinois, to the 
 Governor General of the British Provinces, at Quebec, I presume this application is oa 
 record in the archives of the House. 
 
 (Signed) , , . ,^ WM. SYKES, 0. E. 
 
 Tdonto, Dee. Qth, 1869. , • — 
 
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 To Mr. Cttihcioii — Mr. Sykcfl explained tliat tlie lungth of canal would be 40 miles. 
 Tlie whole distaiico would be 97 milen from lake to luku. It wuuld take 42 houra to pasn 
 from Nottawasaagu Hay to the Humber — possibly less — by tugging, no long reaches or 
 hydraulic t)ower on the short reaches. There are 5G miles without a lock, there steam 
 tug8 would bo most available, and 8 miles an hour might be obtained ; in the canal about 
 4 miles an hour, or un the short roaches two miles an hour. Ho estimated 20 minutes 
 for paHsing (!ach lock. He stated the matter as if all were steamers, but if sailing vessels, 
 then 08 being towed, screw vessels could be used. He had seen hydraulic power applied 
 on a small scale, but it was coming into existence more generally, and was now in use in 
 Austria, and was being tried on the £rie Canal. There was no doubt as to its applicability, 
 hut screw vessels would soon be exclusively used. A screw vessel could come from 
 Chicago to the point of divergence in about thirty hours. From the point of divergence 
 to Coflingwood might be about 350 miles, from the same point to the foot of Lake Huron 
 •bout 600 miles. It would take 77 hours to go from the point of divergence to the head 
 of the Humber in Lake Ontario, and 00 hours from the point of divergence to the mouth 
 of the Welland on Lake Erie, which is about 000 miles. It would take 24 hours to pass 
 the Welland Canal. The distance from the point of divorgence to Sarnia ho was not ouite 
 sui-e about. A fcrew steamer should travel 375 miles in 35 or 3G hours. The Welland 
 Canal has 27 locks, and is 28 miles long. This canal has 42 Jocks. He gave twenty* 
 minutes to each lock. Each lock covered about 60 yards. He estimated the travelling at 
 the rate of two miles an hour through the 27 miles, which would make 13^ hours, and & 
 for the locks — in all 24 hours. The lake navigation should be at from 9 to 10 miles an 
 hour. The difference in distance would be 370 mil«s, and the difference of time 23 hours. 
 Mr. Cameron — If his figures were right, he made it 29 hours. 
 Mr. Sykes — It was 640 miles from Chicago to CoUingwood, and say 100 miles through 
 the ciinal, which would be traversed say in 122 hours. This was taking the lake naviga- 
 tion at 8 miles per hour. It is 980 miles from Chicago to the mouth of the Welland, 
 and 27 miles through the canal, which would be traversed in 146^ hours, making a differ- 
 ence of 24^ hours. The cost per dav of a vessel of 1,200 tons — a sailing vessel, would be 
 $72 per day, including insurance and 17 men employed upon the ship. The canal navi- 
 gation would be open for seven months, but these vessels could go anywhere, therefore 
 tlie estimates had been made on annual wages. The average insurance would be about 
 7 per cent. The general idea of the tolls, was that they should average 80 cents on the 
 gross ton, so that such a vessel would pay $960 ; such a vessel could not go thi-ough the 
 Welland. 
 
 Mr. Cameron — Yes, if the Welland were deepened. 
 Mr. Citpreol — And strike on St. Clair flats. 
 
 Mr. Cameron — The St. Clair flats have been deepened since this project was started. 
 Air. Syb's — Thought the tolls on the Welland, were 25 cents a ton, but they must 
 be increased if the canal were deepened. It costs now 1 cent per ton per mile, to bring 
 com from Chicago to Toronto. That, at least, is what it is done for, but it costs really 
 more. There are 33^ busliels in an American ton, and 37 bnshels in an British ton. 
 That 33 bushels would cost $6. He did not believe it could bo brought for half a dollar 
 a ton. 
 
 Mr. Hays — From Chicago to Sarnia, it costs a York shilling a bushel. 
 Mr. Sykes — From Chicago to CoUingwood, it would cost about $1 50 a ton. He 
 thought a good deal of gi*ain would be shipped from Canada by this canal, instead of by 
 rail. He did not think there would be much saving in going by rail, considering trans- 
 ference and other delays and costs. The canal was for the advantage of the Western 
 States and Canada ako. The introduction of grain from the West, would not lessen the 
 price of grain here, because it would mostly be exported. But if it wore cheapened, he 
 did not think the people would mind that. He did not think there would be anything 
 wrong in bringing American wheat to compete with our own. 
 
 Mr. Olirer — Did not see it in that light. It would not alter the price of grain. 
 Tlie Ameiicans can come to CoUingwood now. 
 
 Mr. Cameron was not sure whether the protection principle was right. He had 
 nerer satisfied himself what was the true principle. He did .not think Toronto would 
 
 be banefitt 
 if it went J 
 
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 houra to pnan 
 »g reaches or 
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 1 20 minutes 
 liling vessels, 
 •ower applied 
 low in use in 
 applicability, 
 d come from 
 )f divergence 
 Lake Huron 
 I to the head 
 So tlie mouth 
 lours to pass 
 ivas not (luito 
 The Welland 
 jave twenty, 
 travelling at 
 hours, and a 
 10 miles an 
 «e 23 hours. 
 
 iles through 
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 lel, would be 
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 le, therefore 
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 sents on the 
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 ■be benefitted by the canal when the cnnal waii finitthiul. It would rather be a detriment 
 I if it went to the Humber. 
 
 Mr. Caprtol — It might go to the Don. He did not know. That would depend upon 
 I the English Enfpneers. 
 
 The Committee then adjourned till 9.30 to-day. 
 
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 On tho arrival of Mr. Copreol from England on the 9th September, 18C8, there ap- 
 peared notices thereof in the Toronto newspapers of the 10th September, after the fol- 
 lowing manner : — 
 
 •'Arrival of the Canal King." — "Enthusiastic Reception." — " 10,000 Citizens Pre- 
 sent." — " Imposing Torch-light Procession." — " The Streets in a Blaze of Light." — Address 
 of Welcome. 
 
 At the St. Lawrence Hall a grand reception meeting took placv, when the Mayor 
 called upon Captain Dick to read the Address to Mr. Caprcol, wliich was as follows : — 
 
 To Frederic C. Capreol, of tlu City oj Toronto, Esquire, President of tfie Huron' and 
 
 Ontario ^hip Canal Company. 
 
 Sir, — It is with great pleasure that we, on behalf of your many friends, and tho 
 friends of the great undertaking in which you have so zealously labored, on the occasion 
 of your return among us, congratulate you on your safe arrival, and on the success which 
 has attended your eflbrts. Thesu efforts have been of so public a nature that we must be 
 excused if we speak only of them. 
 
 Our citizens, and the public at large, have long known you as one whoso best years 
 have been spent in aiding and promoting whatever miglit tend to the advancement and 
 prosperity of our young country. We are not insensible of the fact that but for your in- 
 domitable energy and zeal in tho past, the fertile country lying between this city and the 
 Northern Lakes would, in all liunian probability, have been for many years later left 
 without proper means of communication, and th.it its many resources must have found a 
 tardy means of egress to tlie profitable markets which the Northern Kailroad secured to 
 the now flourishing settlers of this wealthy district. 
 
 Great an enterprize as was the Northern Eaihvay at the time of its construction, the 
 Huron and Ontario Ship Canal is a work of much greater niaj^iitude and importance; 
 when constructed it must confer on Canada, and to some extent on the whole mercantile 
 world, advantages which but few undertaking.s of any age or country can equal. It will 
 couple the far West with tho seaboard, afford a highway from the interior of this vast 
 Continent to tho Atlantic, and form an important link in the great chain of communica- 
 tion which must, at no distant day, pass through British America from the Atlantic to 
 the Pacifie. 
 
 We are ])leased to learn that your negotiations in England, on behalf of this important 
 work, have been so far successful, that the most serious obstacles to the construction of 
 the Canal have been overcome. 
 
 We earnestly hope that a liberal policy on the part of our Governments will offord 
 the means of carrying on to completion the great project, which owes so much to your 
 indefatigable labors and perseverance, and bring witli it the full fruition of our warmest 
 hopes. 
 
 Thomas Dick, Chaimmn. 
 David Blain, Secretary. 
 
 Toronto, 9th September, 1868.