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Les diagrammes suivants illustrent la mdthode. errata d to e pelure, :on A n 1 2 3 32X 1 2 3 4 5 6 Hons^ of Commons IBebat^$ THIRD SESSION-EIGHTH PARLIAMENT / ' SI^EECEEES OF N. F. DAVIN, MP. ON DUTY ON AGRICULTURAL IMPLEMENTS OTTAWA, 30th MARCH and ()TU APRIL, 1898 I Weunksuay, 30th March, 1898. Mr. DAVIN moved : That good faith on the part of the present Government with the farmers of the North-west should compel them to place agricultural imple- ments on the free list. He said : This motiou Is one In which the farmers of the North-west Territories, and prottably more than the farmers of tlie North-west Territories, talie a deep interest. I wiah to say, first of all, that 1 approach this motion in the character of a protection- ist, -and 1 see no reason whatever why the strorigest protectionist In Canada should not vote for this motion. It is seconded by my hon. friend from South Leeds (Mr. Tay- lor). I want also to say, in order to meet some of my Independent friends on the other side and some of the Patrons ; this motiou iB not a vote of want of confidence In the Government. A vote of want of confidence in the Government Is taken on a motion to go Into comniHtee, or when you tra- verse some other motion of the Govern- ment. But this motion Is not a mo- tion, technically and In the proper sense, implying a want of confidence, so that there Is no reason why my hon. friend from Fron- tenac vMr. Rogei's) or any other independent gentleman should not vote for It when we come to a vote, whether to-day or to-morrow, I the next day or next weelv. Because the I time will conie, as the Greeks said of death, \ to-morrow, the next day, or the day after. , When we come to a vole I hope that we \ shall not see Ministers sliding up the gang- j way to interview the Patrons and the inde- 1 pemlent members. And if they do I I hope they won't succeed, as they suc- ! ceeded in 1896, and in 1897, and once I again this very session. It Is a hu- I raiUating spectacle. Once It was the ! Postmaster General who did this, another ! time It was the Minister of Agriculture, and I lately It was the Minister of Marine and Fisheries. Why,' Sir, I see the Postmaster General is at It again. Now, Sir, after the leader of the Opposition, I believe that I may say with truth that I have, at an earlier period than any other man in this House, advocated protection for the Domin- ion of Canada. I am a thcypough believer In protection. Now, let me explain what scleii.lflc proteotion Is. I understand that som • manufacturers throughout the coun- try, when they see In my name a motion like this, think that there is Inconsistency on my part, -or Inconsistency on Uie part of hon. gentlemen who might vote for me. Why, Sir, this motion says In tlie fli'st place that the Government, In order to keep good faith with the farmers of the Norih-west, should place agricultural Implements on the free list. If I prove that the Goveniment ' 5* . 'v 1 !) , ■ I promised the people of the Nortli-west, held out language to the people of the North- west that souuded as a promise, that they would get implemeuts ou tlic free list, is there auy mau listening to me who is not bound to vote for that motion ? Now, I want to explain what protection is. Pro- tection does not mean that we are bouiul to put a du.y on all articles that we manu- facture in Canada. What protection means is this : That in regard to any industry that will flourish naturally in Cauada, it is the duty of the Government to protect tliem from the foreigner until tliey get strong enough to fight linaidetl the world at large. The moment they get strong enough— pro- tection does not say that you are going to put high dutios on to keep outside competi- . tion away— to fight outside competition, then the " protection may be witlidrawn. In regard to this very article in this motion, what do ve find ? Why, -Mr. Speaker, the truth about it is tliis': The Conservative party has done a great work for Canada and for these manufactuivrs. Before the Conservative party oame into power in 1S78, the implement manufactu- rers were in a sickly, in a poverty-stricken, in a helpless position. But after tiie Con- servative party protected them, they not S'j' made implements as good as were de in auy other part of tlie world, tliey : key. I take no stock in that kind of state- ment. I am here to-day as a proiecUonJst and I move this motion and claim support tor it on three grounds. First and fore- most, is it to be tolerated for gue minute that the farmers of the Nortii-west shoald itave held out to them by members who are now sitting on the Treasury benches, that if they got into power they would put those implements on the free list, and that then tiiese imn. gentlemen can get into power, partly by the votes of tliose men, and when tliey cross over to the other side of the House, when tlie Minister of Tiade and Commerce, now leading tlie House, crosses to tlie other side, when the leader of the Government crosses from this to the other side, when they taste the sweets of office, they can turn round and, to use a vnigar illustration but a vei-y expressive one, make fat bacon at the whole North- west. Is it to be tolerated for a minute V Do you mean to say, Mr. Speaker, that I am Jiot bjund as a North-west member to express the opinions of the farmers of the North-west, most all of whom are protec- tionists V But whether protectionists or not, they claim to have their disappoint- ment, their indignation, their scorn, their contempt for men who behave in that way, expressed in this House, and expressed in .<»trong language. Now, I ask again : What uRt onlv made them (Cheaper— wliich is one I 's protection ? It is putting up a duty tbat of tlie 'ends protection aims at— but tliey hvlH enable the native manufacturer to grew rich, and they gre-w able to fight the i struggle on to strength, and wealth, and world in outside markets. My hon. friends on the opposite side of the House have again and again poiated out how these very manu- facturers we are dealing with now, are able to send their goods to Au.>tiialia, to the United States, to Great Piitain, and to compete with all-coiuers in tliose markets, and we rejoice at it. I do not mention that in envious tones, or with a view of doing any barm to these manufacturers. On the con- trary, I glory in it. because it is one of the results of a sound and wise policy on the part of the protectionist Government tli.at was in power for so long, and with such great and happy results from tiiis country. 1 take no stock iu what tlie Prime Miniver said on the 12th of October last in Montreal. It was like one of the extraoi-dlnary state- ments wft get from him fr. time to time. He said that the Liberal pt in 20 months had done more for the couUtry than tlie Conservative party had done In 20 years. Well, that was like some of the lioasts I met with in a very interesting book. 'Tartarin de Tarascon." When I read the extraordinary g,^sconadlng statements of the leader of the Government as to the giants he has fought and killed, and the great game he has brouglit down, I am reminded of the inco'oparable Taras- con who went out to fight great game and to shoot lions and panthars, but he only succeeded at last in bringing down a doii- power, as these very implement manufac- turera have progressed, and in doing that, not only give you good implements manu- factured within the country, but keep the prices of those implements in the country, give employment to men, and supply a home market for the farmers. One of our mottoes in 1878, was that the work- shop should be close to the farmer. I have here pamphlets that were circulated in 1878 ; I have the principles that were laid down then when we were asking to be re- turned to power. We wanted to pivtect the native manufacturer, not simply for the purposes of enriching him, but for the pur- pose of getting cheaper goods, goods manu- factured in this country. Increasing the home market, and thus adding to the wealth of the fanner, giving him not merely a market across the Atlantic and across the international boundary, but giving him a market at his own doors. Because my own language was that we wanted the factory near the farm, and our own tall chimneys darkening our own blue skies, the tall chimneys of the factories of Canada. Wha; hi^ppened : The Consei-va- tlve party were in power for eighteen years; and al you have to do Is to look over the T^ravle and Navigation Re^trms, to look over *he records of the Bureau of S'tatistlcs of Ontario, and to look over amythltjg that gives a record of the progress of "Cai»ada for those yei no count try in h Canada i der the b pai'ty. \ j«ervative Uie most professioi Avhich I < fiuke tiui' iug l)efor got Into i; jiUd auioi Jfirmers ( plemeu'ts near me i eijil conv whidi X said that 1S5U there ventlou in It was i of the Hoi not lay do programm came ther magnates i ada to cor of Canada would be the policy Liberal pai page 23 o said : 1 appear what has al that this CO cut-and-dric day remains Itself. This eral. a den and my frii leading the policy to be come from represented. Thus the pi tlon were The conve tlons, and will be fo volume, is That the I ask the words, be( profpobltlou cal proposi should tectlve t>rin the pubi'p That the Bound prlnc Government to keep the opolles, trus That to tl to the need government. N F those years to agree to this propositlou, that no counti'y on the face of the earth, no couu- try in liistory ever pi'ogressed more thau Canada did during those eighteen years un- der the benetlcient policy of the Conservative pai'ty. \A'e had a party opposing tihe Con- servative party, denouncing their policy in Uie most unmeasured terms, throwing out professions in resi)ect to other matters on which I 3. of which Mr., now Sir Wilfrid I.iiurier, said that since the great Liberal meeting of ]SoO there had never been such a grand cou- ventlou in the history of Canada. It was a very peculiar course the leader of the House took on that occasion. He did not lay down, as other leaders have done, a programme of his own. He said that he came there to learn ; that he invited the magnates of the Liberal party all over Can- ada to come there and confer on the state of Canada, and enunciate a policy that would be not the policy of the leader, but the policy of the combined wisdom of the Liberal party. Hon. gentlemen will find at page 23 of the report the hon. gentleman said : I appear before you now simply to confirm what has already been stated by Mr. Sutherland, that this convention Is not a convention to ratify cut-and-dried resolut'ons. but that the work to- day remains with the members of the convention Uself. This Is in every sense of the word a Lib- eral, a democratic convention. I am anxious, and my friends who are associated with me in leading the Liberal party are anxious, that in the policy to be adopted, all the suggestions should come from the people themselves, who are here reijresented. Thus the principle laid down at that conven- tion were the principles of the Liberal party. The convention passed a series of resolu- tions, and one of these resolutions, which win be found recorded at page 71 of the volume, Is es follows : That the customs tariff of the Dominion I ask the attention of the House to these words, because I am going to prove my proposition as I would prove a mathemati- cal proposition. should be based not, as now, upon the pro- tective principle, but upon the requirements of the pubJ'c service. That the existing tariff, founded upon an un- sound principle, and used, as it has been, by tho Government, as a corrupting agency wherewith to keep themselves In ofBce, has developed mon- opolies, trusts and combinations. That to that end, the tariff should be reduced to the needs of honest, economical and efficient government. N F D— 11 That It should be no adjusted as to make free, or to bear as lightly as possible upon the neces- saries of life, and should be so arranged as to promote freer trade with the whole world, more particularly with Great Britain and the United States. We denounce the principle of protection as radically unsound, and unjust to the masses of the people, and we declare our conviction that any tariff changes based on that principle must fall to afford any substantial relief from the burdens under which the country labours. It was put forward before the whole coun- try, and the whole country was called to witness, that if those hon. gentlemen got into power, they would eliminate, to use their own language, every shred of protec- tion from this tariff. What was the utter- juice of ^Ir., now Sir Wilfrid Laurier. He said, and his remarks will be found at page 32 : Gentlemen, you have nothing to expect from them. The hon. gentleman intended to say that the people had nothing to expect from the Conservatives, and that they had much to expect from the Liberals. The hon. gentle- man was here referring to the promise made by Sir John Thompson In respect to mould- ering branches. Again, the hon. gentleman said : Apart from the logic of ev<>nts, you have the word of Mr. Poster himself, who has declared again and again within the last few weeks that tariff reform would consist In this, that there might be a few changes here and there, but that the principle of protection In the National Pol- icy would be maintained. This simply means that the Government are going to scratch off the paint and put on a new coat of varnish, and call It tariff reform. The hon. gentleman here meant, of course, that he would not merely take oCC the var- nish or put on a new coat of paint, but he would tear down the scaffold and erect a new structure from foundation to roof. He continued : By virtue of what principle will you tax the farmer in order to give work to th© worklngmaa ? On what principle will you tax the worklngman In order to give better price to the farmer ? There Is not, I may say, a single province throughout the Dominion which clamours so much and so loudly to be freed from the incubus of the National Policy as Manitoba. » • • T submit to you that every cent that Is levied should be levied first and foremost upon the luxuries of the people. The Prime Minister came west. He spoke ill Winnipeg, Moosomin. Reglna, Moose Jaw.. Prince Albert, and I think at Edmonton— I forget whethei ".le spcke at Medicine Hat or not— and at every one of those places he spoke in the same vein. The hon. gentle- man had with him at one time the Minister of Marine and Fisheries and at another time the Minister of Agriculture, and the Minister of Agriculture In definite terms went Into the very grievances arising from the duty M m ' on agrlcult-jral InipleinentP. 1 will not read tlie siKH'clies (IclivertMl on those ditTcrt'iit or- tasious. hul I will maki' ii pn-sonl Min- ister of Agriculture at Moosoniin. a report of which will he found in the Moosomln " Spectator," October 4. 1S!)4. "'he lion, gentleman Is of course concerned with any agricultural problems that •require conshl- eratlon at the hands of the Cabinet, and I quote from his speech. He said : As a farmer he was not satisfied with the re- duction which had been made in the agricultural Implement duty. "What reduction was tliatV It was a re- duction made by the ex-Flnance Minister from 20 per cent to 15 per cent." This re- duction was made at ou(> fell swoop, to use ,' the sympathetic and eloquent language of / the lion, member for Eastern Assiniboia (Mr. Douglas), and the Conservative (Gov- ernment recognizing that as a luotectionlst Government it had a duty to iierform to the ,^ , farmers to protect them as well as the man- \'i ! ufacturers, and that the farmers of tli(> west and the farmers all over the country occupy a special position. Although it is ec(mo- •^ I mlcally unsound, there is a strong colour of reason for what tlie farmers declare— altliougli as I have said it is not scientili- cally correct—that agricultural impl(>ments are their raw material : iind recogni/.ing this, the hon. nienibei- for York. N.B.. when Finance Minister in 1894. reduced the duty on agricultural implements by ir» per cent. In Room No. Hi the agent of the Mass<^y- Karrls Company stated at a time when iron had $10 per ton duty on it as compared with $7 per ton now, that If the duty on agricul- tural implements was reduced as low as lo per cent and no lower, the Massey-llarrls Company and other manufacturers could do well. But now, at one fell swoop, to use the sympathetic language of the hon. mem- ber for East Assiniboia. this reduction to wiaich I have refern'd was made as low as 20 per cent. As a farmer, the Minister of Agriculture said : Because the United States Congress had made a standing offer of rei;lprocity in implements, and It was the duty of the Canadian Govern- ment to take advantage of that offer. Last year the farmers of western Canada imported $120,000 worth of American Implements, on which they paid $40,000 duty. Referring to the Massey- rtarris oombinaticn, he claimed that the fact that these people spoko of going to the States to fight the Yankees in their own market showed that Canadian manufacturers were able to get along without protection. Canadians were able to hold their own with the, Yankees in any walk of life If Massey-Harria got protection, why should not the farmcjrs ? As the Minister of Agriculture has Just come in, I beg to inform him that I have been quoting from a speech delivered by him at Moosomln in October, 1894. The far- mers flocked to hear and see these great Liberals, and what impression do you think. ' Mr. Speaker, was made on the farmers who 1 heard them V Sir. the imiiression was made that if the Liberals got into power the duty would be taken off these fanning imple- ments. But, Sir, the Liberals are not ready to take up their note offliand ; they allowed their bills to be dishonoured in the bank of ! public opinion, and is it to be tolerated for a minute that the indignation of the dis- appointed farmers of Canada shall not get expression in this l.'ouse V are the North- 1 Mr. BENNETT. Where west members to-day V Mr. DAVIN. 1 do not see many of them. My hon. friend from Saskatdiewan (Mr. Davis) and my hon. friend from T^isgar (Ml Hicliardsoni are here, but the hon. member for p]ast Assiniboia (Mr. Douglas) Is not here, and it is a pity, because 1 am' i going to quote some eloquent words fi'om 1 that hon. member. Now, a campaign sheet was issued by the Liberal party, and in that ! campaign sheet for the election of 1S9»» 1 iliey lield up as one •)f the 'uoniiities of the existing tariff the duty of 20 p t cent which was Imposed on farming iniple iients, mowing macliiiies. iVc Bur. Sir, the dut.v on these farm implements under a T^iberal GoveruLnent to-day is still 20 per cent. I WMiil do call attonrioii to tlie title page of this election pamphlet, because It Is very instructive. It was what Plato would < .ill .-.n esohMMc (iocitiiient. It was only inrend- : ed for the perusal of the jtolitical elect and those to whom they would think fit to show it. This Is the title : I !.)n:iiin!oii of Canada. Principle.s, Policy and i Platform of the Liberal Party. And it says : I This pamphlet is not for general distribution. (Signrd) ALEX. SMITH, ! Sec. of the Lib. Asociatlon. I And here is what this pamphlet set forth : I A reduction of the tariff as far as the interests ; of the revenue would permit, with a complete [ elimination of every feature of the tariff of a distinctive protective character. I And then we have the Conservative party j held up to opprobrium because of the duty I on farm Implements was 20 per cent. Let . me ask what impression was made on the : farmers by such u pamphlet as that ? Do 1 the farmers of this country deserve con- sideration at the hands of the Government ? : You must remember that the farmer— I do i not use this as the language of a dema- I gogue— the farmer is the most useful man in the community. He begins everything ; ! he lays the foundation of all our wealth ; !_and he works under specially bard condi- tions frequently, because owing to the pecu- liarity of his business, if he has to borrow money he has to borrow It at ii high rate of interest, and it is well known that the return for the farmer is very small com- pared with the return to the manufacturer and the hon. frl€ Frost) Ik in his 1) am told 34 per c Mr. D wond'.'r ; wlien yt Policy. Mr. DA and 1893 in this 1 was in c revision ( IMr. DA time .vou Mr. DA that pool pieces Ion knows V Norili-we: a dog and jtist as 1 (.Mr. D.iv nur now it was ii the tariff aneiuion I wan (Mr. of Diy lio ardsiMu t( hon. friei to it ; I , indeiiende of the so- of patron pendence tiou to tl ni>t care tliat come.' in the the slrai by tlie to criticlsi a man fro lower of stands up a cenain should tie nieur pay: course. I the ablliti ka Telle wan for the :il the west, ties are Sir. there members any twent if they w express il western c My hull. Davis I .^.'li this state discover loUowim III il Policy aud and t'le bijsiuess uiait. I do uot si-e my hon. friend from I.tH'ds and (Irenvllle (Mr. J'"i'osf» lici'i'. hut 1 iiMi told thill lit' is niiildiig in Ills bnsiuoss .'U pit cont protit, and I am told tliat Massoy-IIarris tV- Co. make 34 per cent. Mr. DAVIS (Saskatdiowau). It is a woiid'T yoa did not tiiid that out loU]H' ay:o ■when you wore suppoitiufr tli(> National Policy. Mr. DAVIX. 1 found it as early as 1,S!»2 and 1893, and in the latter year I moved in this House to lower tlic duties, and it was in couseiiuence of my action that the revision of the tariff took place in l.Sl)4. Mr. DAVIS (Saskatcliewau). Tliat is ilie time you voted against your ov.n motion. \ Mr. DAVIX. No. it was not. I thought that poor jolce of yours was ivnoeked to ' pieces lony a^o. My hon. friend (.Mr. Davis) knows wlial liapi>cns uiien out in tlie .Norlli-west a stone is tluuH' iiy any one at, a doy and llie 'do;; follows ii mcanin^iessly ;^ jusr as nioaniu.u'li'ssly as uiy lion, friend ; (.Mr. Davis) tries to iHte at an old chest-' ntit now. 1 say, .Mr. Spe:iker, tliat it was iu eonstMiucnee of my apt:ion that tlie tariff was rcvisi'd in l,Si»4. 1 call tlic attention of my liou. friend from Saskalclie- wan (Mr. Davisi to rliis ; I call tlie attention of my hon. friend from Lis^ar (.Mr. llieh- ards(cn) to ii ; 1 t-all the ailoiiition of juy hon. friend frcnn Fronte-iiac (Mr. Uofrc.-.si to it : I call the att(Mi!ion of any of the independent members. 1 call the attention of the so-calh-i Patrons, if, there is a shied of patronism, if there, is a shred of inde- pendence left In them ; I call ifheir atten- tion to the fact that a (.Jovernment does not care very much a'lKvut tlie ojipositioii that comes to lit from Hie straijiiit Oppot.htioii in the House, because the attaK'k of f^oiiositlon is (ii.scounted t.iiat it is its business ')l)iiK>si>. But the moment a man I'rom 'beliind tiH> (Jovernment. a fol- lower of tli(,> (.Jovcrnment ; the moinent he stands up and expre^ssns his opiivion that a certain course coiiitrary to their pol'icy should be taken, that moment the (lovern- nient pays attention to it. Although, o" <"ourse, 1 have a very fjreat resjiect for the ;ibilities of my hon. friend from Sas- katchewan (Mr. D.-ivis), and a wre.'it respect fur the ;il)illties of my lion, friends from tlie west, stiill 1 do not say tlnit tlieir aibili- ties are over|io\verin.n' and frisjantiic. But Sir. there is no't one of tliese western Diberal niemliers who cannot accoiuiplish more than any twenty men on this side of the Hmise if they will only stand up and fearlessly express the oiMiiiiinis of the jieople in tliat Avesrern country wlieiice they come. My lion, friend from Saskatchewan (Mr. Davis) said to me. why did 1 uot dii*cover litis state of tldn.irs V Well. Sir. If I did not discover it. bis friends, whom he is now i'ollowin,!;. dis(H>vored it. In the very pam the slra:i.u;lit by the 'l"act to criticise and pLlet to which I have referriMl they set Aut a coinjiarison between tlie farmer and the manufacturer to whicli I will call the atten- tion as very biterestinj;' and insitnictdvc. This is tlie ifiimphlet (m which the lif?ht was ' fought in file proviiu-e of Ontai'io and all over the country ; it is the proKranmie of the Liiieral party, and, under the heading j of •' ^Manufacturers' I'rolVts and Fannera' I Proltts." it says : The question is sometimes asked, ^vhy are farm lands decreasing in value ? They are decreasing for the same reason that other stocks decrease — because the profit, after the expense of working them is paid, is so small. Then it points out thai according to the cen- sus of ISDl the inanufacturers' prolVt was 3-t per cent on a capitjil invested of \$.T)3.0()0,- (Mjo ; whih» the farnu'rs" investment for tlie ye;ir 12. iiccordinji' to the Onitat'io Bureau of Industries, was .S!tV!t.(KMMHK». and the net" proceeds amoiinted to only .f114,<)0(>,fH)(». So tli.'it accordin.tt' to the ease made out by the caiiii>ai,u:n sheet of the l/rbcral party the farmer deserves s])ecial consideration at our hands. But what does the right hon. gen- tleman (Sir \Vilfri4, when we were about to legisliite : The produce of the farmer has been driven to the lowest point, but what he has. to buy Is soM- to him at an increased price, as compared with < he price in England. The farmer is bound by his circumstances to sell in the freest and cheap- est market ; so also ought he to be privileged to buy in the cheapest market, consistent only with the imposition of such duties as are necessary for raising the revenue of the country. That Is a proposition perfectly fair, perfectly just, perfectly equitable — so fair, so just, so reasonable and so equitable that the Government dare not attack It openly. And yet they cannot adopt it. Why ? Because they are chained and yoked to a system which is the reverse of just and fair and equit- able. These are t^he words of the right hon. gen- tleman who leads this House, and they ap- ply to the present Government. That is the sy.stem they are carrying out now. Jn the Railway Committee yesterday the Minister of Railways (.Mr. Biair^ declared that if the present tariff was noit high enough, he would be In favour of a tiariff — and he would intro- duce a Raiihvay Act to enalile him to bring tt in to force by Order in Council— iote4l as knock- ing off tho chains inid totters of the poor \orth-westeru fanner. We had anoither picture— a. picture of the man who fell among thieves, also the North-west farimn- ; and there was the (food Samaritan, Wilfrid Laurler, bending over iilm and pouring the cU of Joy and gladness into his w disappointment tliat Avas felt. I liave h(>re the opinion of Duncan ^Manshall, wlio gives the views of tiie P.itrons of Ontario, when Hhey saw tliis tariff: "It is dis.appolntlng to the farmers who liad Immmi jiromlsed sub- stantial changes from I lie party uoav in power," says Duncan Marshall, the well- known I'atron campaigner, Hon. gentlemen can find this in the "'Sun" ne\Aspaper of the 2t)tli of Apr.11. 1807. He goes on to mention a number of articles which tlie far- mer is interested in. on some of whi<>li the duty is higher to-day than it was inider the Conservative (rovernment. Xoav. my hon. friend from .Vlberta (Mr. Oliver* when he I made ids maiden speech 'in tliis House, re- i ferred to the promises that iiad l)ecn maecause he had i confidence that wlien Parliament nidt in i 1897 the Government would give the relief to | the farmer tliat lie sjvid they had promise lion member for Winnipeg said : He dealt with the tariiT first, and said that western members were disappointed with It. Why were they disappointwl Avith it ? Be- cause in that very city of Winnlpes the Prime ^[Ini.ster had promised, Avith regard to these very agricultural iinplcneuts. that the farmers of the North-west Avould get tliem on very different terms from those on which tiiey were getting tliem under the ConserA'atlve tariff. He dealt with the tariff first, and said that western members were disappointed with It. but lie was sorry to say that in their effort to re- iluce it. the vcstern men had a force against them which was not all party, and mentioned as Instances, .Mr, Frost, the implement man, That Is the hon. member for l^'cds and (Jrenvllle. demanding reduced rates on everything but his products, and the duties on them he would like increased. I'roiKibly that lion, gentleman li.id some secret promise. lu>causc in I lie contest at West 'i'oronto one of tlu' opponents of the present meniiiers declared that rbe duty of •JO per cent was not enough for Mr. Frost and .Massey & Harris, and tliat tlie (Jovern- meiit AA'oukl raise it. This is Avhat the hon. member for Winnipeg Aveiii on to say : Mr. Frost, the Implement man, demanding re- duced duties on evcrytlilng but his products, and the duties on them he would like to see In- creased ; also. Mr. Fraser, M.V. for Lambton, who l.s interested in the oil-producing works, wanted th° duties kept up on oil, and several (•thcr Liberals were likewise in their theoretical love of free trade, but did not want the duties on their owr iiarticular goods touched. As a matter of far :, the whole of the east Is against the Avest In the matter of protection. Tlien the lion, nieniber for Lisgar (Mr. Uichardson) spoke. Tliere ds a picture of tli.it lion, geiillemaii |»ablislied an lliis noAvs- p!il>er reiiort. and ,is T rcgjird my lion, friend as ;i liandscMiie man. I tliink he ought to sue for libel tlie iirtist wlio drcAV this picture of liim. but iirobaltly the artist iic<-urately de- picted the e.xiiression of sadness and gloom which tlien i-liaiiged the hon. gentleman's appearance, arising from the disappoint- ment he iijid e.\perien<'i>d in OttaAA'a. Here' is Avhal my lion, friend fivim LLsgar said : Mr. Ttichardson spoke of the dls.appolntment the tariff was to him. and said it was hard to get the duty on farmers' i-.isplements left alone, us the tendency In the caucus meetings was to increase them rather than decrease. But who does, not rememlier luw that duty was denonn<-e(l in the Liiieral campaign sheets and speeclies in IS!)." and 1.S!)i5. If my lion, friend liad supported me the last tiiiie I brouglit this matter up. that Avould not have In^en the temlency in the caaicus. and if he aaIII support me noAV. he will do a great deal to destroy that tendencv in the caucus of his iiarty. He Avill find that if he is true to himself and speaks out his mind, not merely in meetings when he goes home, but here. Avli'icli is tii(> jilace jibove all Avhere a member of Inrliamcirt ouglit to speak— Itecause. although there it; appropriateness in a inemiber of Pariiamcnt speaking to his constituents on the platfo,rm in hi» riding- and thr( Avhere lu that is ii —he Avlll the peop somethln accompli ing hard was a sei somethin I belie\'e they are that in I grasp of knoAV vei what a on a you rounding I see thf notizing friends. of the C society. flueuce is that one lower his so benuin isters. AA'h full of fir for Saska hon. frien las). Wh partly by professioi ciety, and thing is 11 I nndersi Crown Av consldera or come m have, so; Ottijiwa, t and hav leaders, 1 chorus, a I minuet. This is is rei)ortei The gre, against at suited. Tl brought d rule hal e or to go li tended to Well, I 1 hon. friei leader. I has said, ing at th Tarte rii presented picture ai medal, av it, haugii medal an consistent friend's h ♦•eds iind and thi-ouffh the press, there is no place where he Is so bound to speak out the truth that is In him as in this House of Commons —he will raise himself In the estimation of the people of the west, and he will effect somethinR. That Is the way I succeeded in aceomplishing what I did. It was by kick- ing hard from ytMir to year, and there never was a session in which 1 o\ig- las). Why, my hon. friend was, of courso. partly by circumstances and partly by his profession, kept away all liis life from so- ciety, and wo know very well that, wlion a thing is lutvel. its inii)ression is far greater. I understand that even Mini*?ters of the Crown who, wlien west, would not for any consideration have entered a dancing room, or come within the sound of a dancing Hddle. have, some of tliem. since arriving in Ottawa, taken lessons of a dancing master, and have become, ncft merel.v political leaders, but leaders in tlie terpiscliorean chorus, and gracefully bow and salute in the minuet. This is what my hon. friend from Lisgar is reported in his own paper as having said : Tho great rtifflculty members liatl to contend against at Ottawa was that they were not con- sulted. The Government made up its mind, and brought down Us measures, and members as a rule had either to sw.allow the entire programme or to go into opposition. This policy very often tended to rompromise the position of members. Well. I have consolation in store for my hon. friend. lie misunderstands his own leader. He has not read all that liis leader has said. On the 12th of October last, speak- ing at the gloriflcation of ^Ir. Tarte at the Tarte Club, at the same time that he was presented with the Tarte medal, of which a picture appeared in " La Patrie "—the Tarte medal, with the picture of Irael Tarte on it, hanging side by side with the Cobden medal and the star which emblazoned Ids consistent and proud bosom— my hon. fflend's le.ider said— and I cite this to show my hou. friend that he need not swallow alt the programme of the Government : j The Liberal party does not require of its mem- bers a blind support of any measure which seema { good to Its leaders. So that I bring my hon. friend some cou- , solation. lie will be able now to go back i to his constituents and tell them that one of those obscurantist Tories, on the other side of the House, who comes from the west, , called his attention to certain words of his right hon. leader which are an emblazon- I ment of liberty for the lilberals behind him. j My hon. friend will not, therefore, feel bound to swallow the whole progivimme of 1 the (Government ; he will not feel bound to I swallow the whole elei>hant, and do mortal ; Injury to his political digestion ; he will not ! be forced to say, with Ilosea Bigelow : A merciful Providence fashioned us holler I O' purpose that we might our principles swaller. i I have something further. Mr, )LIVBU. I rise to a (juesiion of ! prlvlh -0. T wish to state to the House that the ho itleman has distinctly and en- tirely oted my remarks in " Hansard." I Mr. i >.\ <. I will send for tiie •' Han- 1 sard " of llie second session of ISSXi. and hope to be able to sliow the hon. gentleman that 1 have not misquoted him, but tliat I have given him full credit for wliat he seaker. <»r to the lieflltli of tlie Liberals, it led •jiltsit omen '-to ii ^'ravey.-ird, Wednksdav, (ith April, 189S. Mr. DAVIX continuing his speech on the motiiou : That good faith on the part of the l>resent (lovernment Avlth the farmers of the North-west should compel them to place agricultural Implements on the free list, said : Mr. Speaker, six o'clock came the other day before I was Able to conclude my speech introducing the motion on the paper, and I have a few remarks to make to which I would ask the attention of hon. •members on both sides o the House. What I did up to six o'clock was this. I proved that in the Liberal Convention of 1893 a reduction of the tariff was promised on the lines of providing merely for the re- venue and of giving the North-west farm- ers and the farmers generally exceptional advantai?es, in case the Liberal party came into poiwer. i then proved that the leader of the Government T\'eBt west, accompanied 'by some of his colleagues, and that at Winnipeg, at Moosomin, at Regina, at Moose Jjiw, Edmonton and Prince Albert promises were made on the same lines, only more definite ; and I quoted a passage from a speech delivered by the Minister of Agri- culture which amounted to a definite pro- mise that If the Liberals came into power agricultural implements would be placed on the free list. Tliose words are in " Han- sard." I quoted also from the campaign sheet of 1895-9(], which I have here bound with other precious documents issued by the Liberal party, w'here they expressed an opinion adverse to the present tariff on agri- eultural Implements. I also showed from the " Farmer's Sun " that the farmers thi-oughout Canada were disappointed. I showed by quotations that the hon. member for Wliuiipf.g and the hon. member for Lls- gar stated openly and in public in Winnipeg, that they were disappointed ; and now I shall pmceed to quote statements made by iray hon. colleague the memtier for Eastern Assiuiiiboia (Mr. Douglas) to show that he w-as "also disappointed. In fact, he told the Government— what ? It Is a mosit extraor- dinary thing that with the tones of the Finance Minister's speech last night in his ears, knowing that nothing haa been done for the farmers or for the farmers of the North-west, the hon. member for Ea«teru Asslnll>ola ?i'ts complacently in his seat, liappy and simiUng. On that occasion to which I refer, however, he told the leader of the Government that his policy had not left his supporters In the west a leg to stand on. Lest th.at mere description shouhl 1)0 considered too vague, 1 will quote the language of my hon. friend, and I ask the attention of the Finance Minister to this statement, ])ecause some personal references are made bv the member for Eastern As- sinibola to that hon. gentleman. This Is v/hat the hon. member (Mr. Douglas) said at Wai>ella : The tariff had, In a word, been a disappoint- ment. The change was made on the basis of a 10 per cent reduction. We didn't get the changoa we wanted. He (Mr. Douglas) had done most of Ills talking on the subject, not on the floor of the House, but in committee. What committee ? If It was in committee, it was in Committee of the Whole, and was in public. But I think he refers to some secret conclave they had. I may tell the lion, member that it is not a parliamentary proceeding to conduct business that should l)e conducted on the floor of the House in camera and in secret with the Ministers. The Government must have a revenue, and he did not want any Administration to do that fo>' the farmers which we condemn them doing for the manufactures. He claimed that he made no promise of free Implements, &c. What he wanted was justice. So, when the hon. gentleman attends au open conference with his party he does so on a good Conservative's advice. iThat shows tlie modesty that may ibe In a bosom like that of my hon. friend. A TjO-tin writer penned that well-known and hackneyed line, which may ibe familiar to the hon. gentle- man : Tanteene anlmis coelestibus Ine ? Dwells such dire anger In celestial minds ? IIow can su''^- complacency as the following fill the bosom of a divine ? He had made the strongest speech he had made in the House on the excessive rates on implements, &c. He had told the Government he would rather kick them In their own shanty than outside. When Messrs. Fielding and Pat- erson met with these manufacturers they (the manufacturers) said, " You are making a gen- earal reduction of 2.j per cent ? If that Is so, we ask you for ar advance on the Implement duty to puc us on a fair basis," and to compro- mise the matter they had allowed them free raw material, and the machine men had promised to make a |5 reduction In the prices of machines. Do you see, Mr. Si>eaker, what is admitted ? The hon. gentleman has no confidence in tho Ministers, who, instead of giving a reduc- tion in the duty on agricultural Implements, have given faeturers. As soon I Sir Wilfrid It was gran come to U coal oil. " Sir, I wai the membe Htdud on, b( jieople, and meet them In the to tleman spo this langu The farm but justice, sent tariff, get speech t satlslicd wit be done unc was the Gf old tariff wf This was a was, upon Patrons of ] Now. twel never saw complacenc Minister, w perfect del I thouglit thing. No made, that made to c hon. gentlt cause iiny the interesi poor man. As soon a Premier ask He repeat This was i tJiey had m a single ai people. Agj eral reducti marked Imp argument b that they h from 35 to i But who 20 ? Not t Minister of Governmen He had be Now, thi interesting After thin he (Mr. Doug spectlug tht from the U from time Mr. Fielding could hi' h€ humouretl v you next Ai plied, " You hours," whe you in tweu IHPiP nes of the lisbt in his been done Qers of the 'or E^asteru bis seat, occasion to the leader cy had not t a leg to )tion shouhl I quote the 1 I ask the iter to this 1 references Eastern As- I. This is luglas) said I dlsappoint- le basis of a the changes Jone most of the floor of committee, le, and was >rs to BO me ray tell the pliamentary that should e House in inlstera. •evenue, and ti to do that them doing led that he I, &c. What attends aa be does so e. That in a bosom iOitln writer neyed line, ion. gentle- il minds ? e following ech be had ve rates on Government own shanty ig and Pat- s they (the king a gen- that is 80, ; implement to compro- em free raw promised to machines. admitted ? ence In the g a reduc- tnplementa, have given increased protection to the manu- facturers. As soon as he saw the new tariff he wrote to Sir Wilfrid Laurler, and aslted for an Interview. It was granted, and he told the Premier he had come to talk on agricultural implements and coal oil. He had said to Sir Wilfrid Laurler, " Sir, I want to tell you this, you haven't given the members from the North-west a leg to Pt west— at le l.resfnt- ill (iisappoiiiii not dolni^' uiirrTisoniil fecnnd pln( not expei't mntre. li tariff, and V 11 miipeg by which f the Winnipeg sady oorrespon- I do not know Sir, I am sori-y ne adolescence a bull. The mt me he loses he cannot help it— but the uio- me he lies like li iindeu no elr- th. So. Sir. I -west who road y friends in the lanitoba " Free anytliinj: about •s— if they read 1 different : the with great abil- whenever that n any paper, let 1 milestone, and in equation that he were to rise flaw in ; it is : tone ; misplaced imonstrated the 36 any relief ? refer, it seems, ech ; but I may iccurred in this I out any hope y that the pro- I see, by the of the Interior >t in his place, lether it is late f. This is too 1 exercltations. 1 at nine o'clock regard to the a pleasure's soft le never can heal. that he would ter things, only :o those terpsi- 1 but gleam )ndlke, and mark 3 hopes H adored. ■>n win lay down, ickenzle & Mann, K to his friends le by ,1 young ion. Minister of nuver, put the •iff of last ses- thc same thing ttention of the erce to it : pretty good free right is satiiifled Thus we have on the authority of ihe i Mipister of the Interior— I do not know whether It is a very good authority 'or not— that the Minister of Trade and Commerce : is satisfied with this tariff. Now, Sir, I hare demonstrated that hon. gentlemen op- ; posite on several occasions promised that they would, if they got into power, place agricultural implements on the free list. They have got into power, and I say that i good faith should compel them to do it. Are i we for one minute. Sir. to tolerate the spec- tacle we are confronted with on these front benches, of men who have got into jjower upon definite promises, and who. althougii they have had three sessions, have not yot , attempted to redeem a promise? They have ; betrayed the people to whom they made the ■ promises ; they have gone back on their promises. How well I remember how the ! stalwart form of the Postmaster General (]\fr. Mulock) used to vise on this side of the House, and how lie Avould denounce the least tax on the necessaries of life. Where .nre his sympathies now ? They have gone to his boots, as the " Sun " said. Then there is the Minister of Trade and Com- merce, who also denoimced all taxes on the necessaries of life, and we know what is now taking place. It is a thing not to be , tolerated for a moment ; and tlie fi.rmers of the North-west would hold me as false I to my duty to them if I did not put this i motion on the paper, declaring lliat good ', faitli should compel the Oovernmeut t9 place i agricultural implements on the free list. But before T sit down I have to say some- thing — ■ i Some hon. MEMBERS. Oh, oh. j Mr. DAVIN. I have to say something else— hon. gentlemen should let me finish tlie sentence; In the course of my remarks the last time, I referred to my hon. friend j from Alberta (Mr. Oliver). My hon. friend j evidently thought that I had done him some wrong, Ihoiigii certainly if I did. I did it | unwittingly, and my hon. friend sent m(> | the "Hansard." What I did was to take! a quotation from my hon. friend's speeeii i that li.ad ,ii)peared in the Medicine Hat I "News.," and I am free to confess that it j does not quite accord, as sometimes happens in a newspaper, with what was said ; but I am very glad that my hon. friend (.'alleo my attention to it. because I think what he said suits me almost better than what waK in tlie Medicine Hat " .\ews." My hoil. friend said : I will way furtlier, that the people of the North- woHt—at least that section of them I claim to re- l/res'.'iu- ari' sj-onld bo an Impossibility. They do not expect a I'evfslan of the tariff at a moment's notire. Kilt they do expect a revision of th(> tariff, and th<'y expect a thorough revision. That expectation is still unfulfilled : ^ They expect a revision of the tariff that will be in their Interest, and I have every confidence they will get that revision from the present Gov- ernm.ent, and they will get it in good time. My hon. friend is an instance of mis- placed confidence, because he has not got It yet. I wish turther to point this out, sir : the agricul- tural season in that country is very nearly over, the purchase of farm machinery for the season has been n^ide, and the reduction of the duty which will take effect during the coming winter will be just as beneficial to the people of the North-W(!St as if it were made now. Showing what my hon. friend expected, and it has not taken place yet, because im- plements are still at 20 per cent, as they were at that time. Why. Sir. the snows of 1896-97 are gone, and the snows of 1897- 98 are pretty well gone, and still what my hon. friend expected has not taken place. Now, Sir, the same person to whom I have already referred commented on a re- ference I made to my right hon. friend the leader of the Government. That reference, it seems, struck my friend as not in good taste because the right hon. leader of the House is poorly. I wish to read what I did say, because, of course, tlie papers only gave the briefest summary of my remarks. i could not expect them to do otherwise, because they have only a certain amount of space, and I might well be content with the space I got in most of them. They reported me as saying : Now the i)iopla wero rising against the Gov- ernn.'ent which did not keep its promises, and the colour of death was upon it. He had noticed that the peojilr of Hull named a street of their city I.airier Avenue, but following it up he found I he avenue led to a graveyard. What do you think the same writer led the people of Winnipeg and Manitoba to un- derstand from that 1 That I was speaking of tlie health of the Prime Minister. I, therefore, feel bound to read what I did say, and it will be seen that I was not think- ing of the health of the right hon. gentle- man at all, but of the healtli of the Govern- ment. This is what I said : I want to call the attention of my hon. friend who is now leading the House (Sir Richard Cart- wri,j,htl — and 1 am slad to see him leading It, because hr leads it with grace and dignity — I want to call his attention to \\hat he said in 1895 : " Till'? is net a case for half measures. You have in the faia of the Democratic party of the Unitod States a warning and an example of the (loiini which will ovoriaka any party thai alters with its convictions, mid after having placed It- self at the head of a great popular movement, will offer the people a stone Instead of bread." That was whnt the hon. Minister of Trade and Commerce said would be the fate of a party tliat did not keej) its promises, and it was because of hints thrown out here and there, which came to his ears and. no doubt, / I shocked his sense of principle and convic- tions as a free trader, that he held out this warning flag to his party. Gommeutlng ou this prophetic warning, 1 went on to say : That is the language which the hou. Minister of Trade and Comnierco used when spaaking oi the Liberal policy v.'Hh regard to the tariff. No"' Sir, these are weighty wcrds. and thoy feenx u be pro):ihetic as well as weighty, for alreiidy the indignation of this people of Canala this outraged and betrayed people, is rising iii-'ainst a Government that docs not regard its promises, its programmes or its professions. And, Sir, what I said in 1896 could be said with still more truth now, the pallor of death is already upon the faco of that moribund Ministry. It Is quite clear that I was speaking of the Ministry, and not at all of the right hon. gentleman who is leading it. Then 1 went on to make a perfectly clear and legitimate use of a circuDistauce, because, as Virgil says, there are tears in thnigs, and anothe ■ liatln peot says there is a prophetic element in the commonest events. 1 went on to say: I was wallvliig in tha city of Hull the other day. I found that they were changing the ;iame.s of rlie streets there, snd that in this re- baptizing of streets they cslled one avenue Lau- rier. I thought I would hpve the glory and priio ct walking down this new-i amed street. While passing along it I began to .liink how, when the late Emperor Napoleon cam? Into power, they changed the names of the streets in Paris, sub- stituting names that ran*? witii republica,alsm to t.hoHe that reminded pa.ssers-by of Napoleon and Louis Napoleon. And I remember when I went through those streets of Paris afterwards, the names significant of Napoleonlsm had been torn down, and the names substituted that were sig- nlileant of its decheance. I went along this street in Hull, called the Avenue Laurier, and do you know whither it led ' I hope it will not be injurious to your health Mr. Speaker, or to the healtli of the Liberals. It led—" absit omen " — to a graveyard. Is it not palpable, that the whole thing was a reference to the Government, and not to the leader of the Government, and that us-^ was made of the circumstance to shadow forth the decay and destruction of that Gov- ernment, of which my right hou. friend i.s the head. But what has been the result of the short report that appeared in the news- papers in Toronto ? A letter has come to me from a prominent man there, saying that he was very much impressed by what appeared in the papers, "Ijut still more by something that he, too, had noticed ; for but a few days before he had been up In that quarter of Toronto wh( i St. .Tamos Cemetery is, aud he sent me a map of that part, which I now hold in my hands. Here you have Piirliamont Street In one i)la('(', Wellsley Street in another. Amelia Stivoi and SackviUe Street, and there is St. .Fames Cemetery, and auother street leading Into It, which has been rebaptized Laurier Ave- nue. I need hardly say, that the coincidence is very peculiar. Sir, th«re Is not a man in the Libei-al ranks who would feel more sorry than I, if there was anything serious the matter with the right hon. leader of the House. Strong friends "of mine have, again and again, taken me to task for what they call a custom of mine, of saying nice things about my right hon. friend. Well, if I ever said nice things iibout him, it was because I felt them. I am glad now to kuow that there is nothing serious the matter with him. We know, from the papers, that it is nothing serious, and, therefore, I am free to-day. as I was when originally .speaking, to say. " absit omen.' There is a prophecy in things, as well as tears, and that prophecy seems to point to the destruction of that Government which has been false to all its promises, and which is falser to-day than we ever knew it to be before. The fuu that rose this morning and looked down on our fair Dominion, knew that we have, in the present Government, a more perjured Administration than we ever knew it to be before — false' to all its professions, false to all its programmes, and. with cynical disregard of its most cherished convictions. nalUng its flag to the mast of protection and striking at the poor man in his deposits, I in his newspaper, in the sugar that sweetens I his tea. And then, we have the Finance Minister, just as if he were cross-fish- ing a stream, winking pleasantly at Mr. Bertram and saying : Tinkering of the tariflf is a thing of the past ; aud then • winking, with equal gusto, at the free traders behind and saying : Never mind what we say to Bertram and tlie manufacturers, eternal vigilance is required of them ; that Is what they will have to pay, if thoy are going to keep their place in the world ; we must stick to free trade. We now know what tliey will do. We know very well that they have completely gone "back on all their professious ; we know, from the language of one Minister after another, what they propose to do. We have had the leader of that Government de- claring, with a curious cynicism that it pained me to see and that I did not think was possible in liim: " I do not mind wearing the clothes of my opponents, provided they tit me." I thought that was a wanton boast on the part of my right hon. friend, seeing tliat, in his habits of dissimulation he has a vast wardrobe :<11 his nwn. Mr. DAVIN. I do not think there is very much In what my hon. friend has said tlhat requires any extended remarks from me, be- cause It Is quite evident his intention Is to treat this serious motion of mine In favour of the farmers of the North-west as a farce. The hon. gentleman dwelt on my record. I do not ne.^d any defence, in the eyes of the farmers of the North-west, against any at- tacks by the hon. gentleman-. Five hundred members for Llagar. and his newspaper mul- tiplied a hundred fold, would not affect my position with the farmers r.f the North-west Territories. I ed In fifteei Mr, SOME Mr. DAVII I saw a you the stores or clearly not think It Is t will not met and might h But take t slon, In the and even spo friend the P( Why ? Becf tectlonlst, ai I went bad Moose Jaw- west a sylla twine. Bu friends in th the thing \v moment I b( cessary to d twine, I pre: it was in cc action that not in conse( of the I'ostn ernment did gentleman, will take th now and the that If they Government, What happe; moved the homesteads, the Governn Macdonald, that ever liv friend as ^ against it. lighting thai donaid was i his place, he against It th not prevent did the man Llsgar says. Sir, I divide Government succeeded in the Terr 1 tor homestead, second honu put .'?40(» int( of every hoi man, who b paper of his what he thl who only ci day, and wi here, putting you have rf my point. T Agriculture In the west. " 13 / !!• with the s. Strung igain, taken L custom of it my right nice things It them. 1 ; is nothing Icnow, from jrious, and, was when Ijslt omen.'' as well as to point to uent which . and which ew it to be lornlng and 1, knew that lent, a more ( ever knew professions. 5\'ith cynical convictions, protection lis deposits, at sweetens he Finance cross-tish- itly at Mr. of the tariff ;n • winking, ders behind we say to rs, eternal liat Is what re going to we must 11 do. We completely (sions ; we le ^rinister to do. We rnment de- m that it I not think nd wearing )vlded they niton boast end, seeing >n he has a ere is very s said that oni me. be- ntion is to in favour as H farce. • record, I \ves of the ist any at- 70 hundred ipaper mul- iilfecrt my North-west Territories, because that position is entrench- ed in fifteen years of faithful service. Mr. SOMERVILLE. Hear, hear. Mr. DAVIN. What animal Is that I hear 1 I saw a young Hon In the windotv of one of the stores on Sparks Street, but that voice Is clearly not the voice of a lion. I rather think it Is the voice of an animal which I will not mention, because he has long ears and might hear me. But take the session of 1891. In that ses- sion, In the matter of binder twine. I voted and even spoke against the motion of my hon. friend the Postmaster General (Mr. Mulock). Why ? Because I was. as I am now, a pro- tectionist, and up to that moment— nay, until I went back and met niy constituents at Moose Jaw— I had never heard In the North- west a syllable against the duty on binder twine. But after I went back and my friends in that country explained to me how the thing was, what did I do V From the moment I became convinced that it was ne- cessary to deal with the subject of l)inder twine, I pressed it on the Government, and it was in conseiiuence of my pressure and action that the duty was lowered. It v/as not in consequence of any action on the part of the I'ostmaster General, because the Gov- ernment did not care a snap for tliat hon. gentleman. If the hon. member for Lisgar will take the hint, let me impress on him now and the other members from the west, that If they will only exert pressure on this Government, we will get something done. What happened in the session of 1891 ? I moved the motion with regard to second homesteads, which I had been pressing on the Government ever since 1887. Sir John Macdonald. the most powerful politician that ever lived In Canada, and my personal friend as well as political leader, was against it, but that did not prevent my lighting that battle. When Sir John Mac- donald was ill, and Sir John Thompson took his place, he was also against it and spoke against It that session of 1891, but that did not prevent my pressing it on. But what did the man do, who, the lion, member for Lisgar says, went back on his own motion ? Sir, I divided the House and brought the Government majority down to 14 ; and I succeeded in obtaining for every farmer in the Territories who wanted it, a second homestead. I succeeded In enabling him to second liomostead his pre-emption, and thus put !)!40(> into his pocket and into the pockets of every homesteader in the west. Yet tliis man, who blows hot and cold in that news- paper of his own at Winnipeg, according to what he thinks suits his own purpose, and who only came Into the House the other (lay. and wlio wimples and wobbles around here, putting up bogus motions Mke the one you have read, he says I do not prove my point. Let me tell what the Minister of Agriculture (Mr. Fisher) said when he was in the west, and then Mr. RICHARDSON. I rise to a point of order. Is it in order for the hon. gentle- man to charactei'ize my motion as a bogus motion ? Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER. The expres- sion is. perhaps, not out of order, but I eeehes aC ihe lion. Minister of Trade and Com- merce, I think you will find it used. If not. I will fall back upon the word " gang " or " crow." Avlvich, I think, was a favourite expivsslon of his. If my hon. friend (Mr. Richardson'^ is through with the " Han- sard " containing Mr. Cleveland's motion, I M'ould like to sae it, as I cannot see it here. Mr. RICHARDSON. I will send the i on. gentleman the "Hansard." j Mr. DAVIN. Now, Mr. Speaker, what do I you think that farmers of the country have paid on agricultural implements on whicli i we here demand relief ? They have paid, according to the Trade and Navigation Re- I turns, $93,474. That is on agricultural Im- i plements, pure and simple. ■ Sir CHARLES HIBBERT TUPPER. Tliat is. if they pay the duty, as hon. j gentlemen opposite say. Mr. DAVIN. Yes, if they do. I am I arguing on the theory of hon. gentlemen opiK>si'ie. Here we have tiie item of " har- I vesters, self-biuding and without binders." i Tlie wiiole duty paid under this item for the I year ending 3()tii June last was $40,047, of which $25,980 was paid in the west. On iioeo the amount paid was $365, of which more than iialf was paid in the west. On horse-rakes, the duty Avas $2,7(50, of which $1,887 was paid in the west. On mowing machines the duty paid throughout Can- ada was $18,000, of which $8,700 was paid in the west. And so on. This shows that we in the west "are deeply interested in this matter. Now, in regard to the hon. gentleman's amendment, if he will tell me that there is any chance of its doing any good. I will help him. I will take it as an instalment. I do not refuse to vote for people on the opposite side, if I can help forward the end I am aiming at. The new members in this House must know that I have treated tlie Government side in a different way from what they have treated me. I have not shrunk from supporting them, if I could do anything for the farmers. Now, I will not cavil at the hon. gentleman's motion. If that will carry, if that motion that we will have 10 per cent Mr. RICHARDSON. Be reduced to 10 per cent, instead of 20 per cent. Mr. DAVIN. Well, I will vote for that motion, and next year, If the farmers are not content with that, and I do not think they should be with the promises they have from the Government, we can press further. But, with the hope of making some progress, I will vote for my hon. friend's motion, re- ducing it to 10 per cent, and I hope his own Government will now support him. Mr. DAVIN. It looks to me as If the amendment of my hon. friend from Llogar (Mr, Richardson) was made with a view of allowing a motion like this of the Finance Minister to come from the Treasury benches and so let them down easily. Before I speak on the question of adjournment, I call your attention to the fact that the motion is out of order and I ask your decision on It. I may say that if we are allowed a vote, and end the i on. ed to 10 per 15 r ^-J .- If my hon. friend (Mr. Richardson) wJll as- sure me there Is a chance that the Govern- ment win accept his proposition, I wll) vote for his amendment. Mr. SPEAKER. Would the hon. gentle- man (Mr. Davln) be kind enough to state his point of order. Mr. DAVIN. The point Is that a private member moves that a certain deflnite change be made in the tariff. It does not add to the burdens-of the people, I admit, and In that way It may be held to be In order. Mr. SPEAKER. If this motion of the , hon. member (Mr. Richardson) Is out of order, then the motion of the hon. member (Mr. Davln) would be out of order for the same reason. Sir CHARLES HIBBERT TUPPER. There seems to be a distinction, Mr. Speaker, between the two motions if my reading of the text of Dr. Bourinot's book be correct. There is a distinction between a motion for the removal of duty altogether, and a mo- tion to establish a certain fixed duty. At page 557 of Dr. Bourinot's book I find this in connection with the imposition of taxes : But it ia not regular to propose a new and dis- tinct tax, which is not a mere increase That of course does not apply. or diminution of a duty upon an article Iready recommended by Government for taxati^a. But any proposition for tbe repeal of a duty is al- ways in order. I understand the main motion is a recom- mendation for the repeal of a duty. The MINISTER OF TRADE AND COM- MERCE (Sir Richard Cartwrlght). No, It is simply a censure on the Government. Mr. SPEAKER. I do not think that either motion Is out of order. Mr. DAVIN. My hon. friend (Mr. Richard- son), amongst a number of statements he made about myself, quoted what he said last year and to which I did not think It worth while then to reply. He (Mr. Richard- son) said : Whon Mr. Cleveland's motion was put to place coal oil on the free list, the hon. gentleman (Mr. navin) voted against It. Now, Sir, there was no division whatever on Mr. Cleveland's motion. Mr. Cleveland, on Thursday, February 9th, 1893, moved : That iB it expedient to place coal oil on the treo list. And at six o'clock the debate terminated and there never was any division on it. I look In " Hansard " amongst the list of divi- sions, and there is no division whatever on the motion. Here is the " Hansard " of 1893 to prove it. This is Just a sample, Mr. Speaker, of the reckless statements made by the hon. gentleman (Mr. Richardson) here. There is not a shadow of foundation for the statement that I voted against Mr. Cleve- land's motion. If the motion of the Minister of Finance Is carried now. It will throw the matter over and we will never reach it again this session. I think it very desirable that we should have the opinion of this House as to how it regards the conduct of the Government in being false to its pledges on this matter of agricultural implements. Question, Mr. Speaker. House divided on amendment to amend- ment (Mr. Fielding) to adjourn the debate : YEAS : ^ Messieurs Bain, Hurley, Beith, Joly de Lotblnl6re Blair, (Sir Henri). Bostock, Lang, Bourassa, Legrls, Bourbonuais, Livingston, Brodeur, Logan, Burnett, Macdonell (Selkirk), Calvert, McGregor, Casey, McMillan, Champagne, Malouin, Charlton, Maxwell, Christie. Migtiauit, Davles (Sir Louis), Mulock, Edwards. Oliver, Brb, Faterson, Fielding, Proulx, Fisher, Rogers, Fitzpatrlck, Semple, Flint. Somerville, ' Praser (Guysborough), Sutherland, Gauthler, Talbot and Godbout, Tupper (Sir Charles Haley, Hibbert).— 46. .' NAYS : Messieurs Davln, Qulnn, Douglas, Richardson, Earle, Rocho, Guillet, Sproule, LaRlviere, Taylor, McNeill. Wallace, and Pope, AVilson.— 14. : 1 ^1 / 1 r Amendment to amendment agreed to, and debate adjourned.