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The following are copies of the Requisition and the Mayor's Proclamation call- ing the meeting : ir ' r I,; / , M.» . .-^y -;}■_■ ■•_■ ^v'' REQUISITION. UNIVERSITY REFORM. To His Worship, 0, JS. QildersJeeve, Mayor of Kingston. ' Kingston, 22nd Feb., 1861. Sir, — ^We, the undersigned, respectfully solicit your "Wor- ship to call a Public Meeting of the inhabitants of the City of Kingston, on an early day, to consider the question of Uni- versity and Collegiate Education, and whether the present sj'stem of localizing the same in Toronto, is consistent with the original intention of the Endowment, or conducive to the interests of the Province. We have the honor to be, Your Worship's most obedient humble servants, Hugh Fraser, Wm, Ferguson, James Moore, J. E. Clark, E. A, Burrowes, James ITope, John Frnser, A. Drummond, pamuel Chown, Alex. lioss, H. Cunningham, John Kerr, Geo. L. Mowat, Alex. Bruce, Aldermnn Allen, Alderman Livingston, Councillor Jjivingston, John M. Ilamiiton, John 3ha\v, Alex. Cownn, J. J. Burrowes, Alderman G. Davidson, F. J. George, ¥>. Chown, V). II. Ilnrdy, Joseph Bruce, H. Skinner, C. W. Jenkins, Alderman Bichardson, John Breden, Jiimes Gardiner, George T. Oliver, John Puff, Alex. Barn- ford, Thomas Radclilfe, Thomas J. Angel, John Jones, David Shaw, James Linton, John C, Jones, J. Cridiford, W. B. Fer* guson, A. McPher^on, Wm. Anglin, T. C. Jiudd, William Allen, Edward J. Barker, J. C. Clark, A. W. Murdoch, Johq ITenderson, Robert "Waddell, James Minnes, Pepry Pugan, Samuel Sleith, W. |Cirk, G. S. Ilobart, Robert White, John ICinnear, E. MaqEwen, George Walker, Charles Livingston, Wm. Martin, Charles Johnston, Miphael Doran, James Watt, Wm. Armstrong, J. O'Reilly, Joseph Skinner, J. McKay, Jr., Donald Urquhart, Joseph Fojc, George Clovers, John Creighr ton, Wm. Irving, David Cunningham, Samuel P. White, J. Meagher, John G. Deary, W. Ireland, Joseph Bruce, John Worswick, Gporge Chown, Henry Grimason, W. McMillan, p. WcYicar, C. Hooper, Thomas R\idd. .Ai 'i'l i-.i I ;•!. , ii.> I f'M * Tii (I- •• V. Mayor's Chambers, 1 City |iall, Kmgston. j "I will convene a Meeting in ])ursuance with the above Re- quisition, in the City n^ijJ, on Wednesday evening next, at 0J o'clock. p. S. GILDERSLIIEVE, Mayor* .,/ . 28th Febp^aby, 186^. ■.'?•.■>.-;■<■■'• V^\ V \vx:2X CiTir IIai.l, firri ^fARCii, 1861. The meeting was very largely attended, evincing great pub- lic interest in the important question of University Reform. It was, in fact, as stated in the Daily Whig, the most influ* (Pntial public meeting of the inhabitants that has ever been held in Kingston, and the greatest unanimity characterized the proceedings. Among those present, were observed the Honble. Alexander Campbell, M. L. C, Hon. John flamilton, M. L. 0., Mr. Kirkpatrick, Q. C, the Ven. Arch- deacon Stuart, Colonel Cameron, Drs. Stewart, Dickson, Yates, Fowler and Lavell, Wm. Ferguson, Esq., the Rev. Prinpipal Leitch, Rev. Dr. Ryerson, John Paton, Esq., the Rev. Mr. R,ogers, St. James', the Rev. A. Stewart, Rev. Dr. Machar, W. G, Hinds, IJsq., Bank of Upper Canada, Andrew Prummond, Esq., Montreal Bank, Rev. Dr. Gieun, Rev. Mr, Pollard, George Davidson, Esq., J, Creighton, Ksq., Rev. Mr. Jeffrey, H. Skinner, Esq., Shcritf Corbett, Rev. President Nellis, Professors George, Williamson, Mowat, Weir and Lawson, John Eraser, Esq., Chas. S. Ross, Esq., Commercial Bank, William Anglin, Esq,, J. O'Reilly, Esq., 8. Muckle- pton, Esq., 11. Skinner, Esq., John Rowlands, Esq., and inany other leading citizens, the City Hall being densely filled. The Mayor took the chair at 7 o'clock, and, having consti- tuted the meeting, said : Ladjes and Gentlemen, — In consequence of an urgent requisition which was received by me, as Mayor of this City, requesting me to convene a meeting in the City Hall, for the purpose of taking into consideration the subject of University Reform, J have taken the necessary steps for carrying this wish intQ effect; and J have no doubt that you will receive from gentleq^en who are now present a full exposition of that important question. THE V]SRY REV. PRINCIPAL LEITCH'S ADDRESS. The Rev. Principal Leitch rose to address the meeting. Dr. Leitch said — the resolution which I hold in my hand, reads thus : " That it is desirable that the system of higher educa- tion established in Upper Canada be rendered more national \n its efforts and results than it has hitherto been, and tb^t i • these objoctfl can be boat obtainod by means of coHoginte in* utitutions establislied in diUereiit parts of tlie Province; and that tho apportionment of the University endowment should be made so as to grant a fair share of public aid to such Cob leges." Tlio public feeling which has led Your Worship to call this meeting is ono that does the greatest credit, not only to Kingston, but to Canada at large. It indicates the growth of a national and patriotic spirit. It is naturally to bo expected, that in the early history of a country, embracing many nation- alities and creeds, local interests snould for a time predomi- nate over national, and that patriotic feelings should be kept in abeyance by those of a less generous kmd — by mere sec- tional feelings ; but a stranger on landing in Canada and mingling with the people is surprised and delighted to lind that the spirit of national unity has made such progress, and that the country has nearly outlived the period of individual and local grasping. Were it not for this rising spirit of nationality the spectacle of this large and influential meeting could not be presented this evening. And happy is it for a country when such a spirit arises. The growth of patriotism is like the development of a new moral sense, and practices that would be tolerated or winked at at an earlier period, are condemned as compromising the national honor. But the national spirit may be strong, and yet it may be long before it gains practical ascendancy over the local and the selfish. It must, generally, conquer every inch of ground before it can repose in triumph. There are usually four stages in the history of a new country before it achieves a complete nationality. The first is the reign of the individual, when some one possessed of great natural sagacity and adminis- trative ability virtually governs the country. But this narrow basis cannot last long, and the individual gives way to the reign of the family ; but the family compact can only be a very transitory stage. The sphere must still widen, and the family yields to some one dominant city, which, by its com- merce or its population, has gained an ascendancy. We are now passing through the last stage, when the purely local and selfish policy m forced to give way to the national and patriotic. I mention these stages of national development merely that the UuLvcrsity question may be more fully understood. Tliisi nuctitioii affords the best illustration of the contest between the good and the evil principle, between the national and the local, the philanthropic and the selfish. The munificent Uni- versity endowment was, originally, a royal grant of land, and vas a gift to the Province generally. There was no local restriction whatever ; but it had to pass through the ordeal of all the forms of local and sclf-aggiandizing power, so that the Province as a whole has never as yet come into possession of the gift. Act after Act has been passed by the Provincial Parliament to wrest it from the grasp of local power and consecrate it to its rightful purposes. But how- ever well intended these measures were, some sinister in(lu- ence always defeated their object. And this vast national endowment has been employed merely to aggrandise one city, and a very small section of the community. . , . . Some elementary explanations may be necessary to the full understanding of the question. Much confusion has arisen from not clearly distinguishing between a University and a College. Sometimes they are virtuall v identical, but, in this question, it is absolutely necessary to draw a clear line of distinction. When they are distinct bodies, the Univer- sity is simply the examining and certifying body — the certifi- cate being termed a degr( o. The College is the teaching body. In some cases it is of little consequence, though the University and the College should be one and the same body. In other cases it is of vital importance that they should be totally distinct. The point may be illustrated by the case of ordinary schools. If a man sets up a private school of his own, he is both teacher and examiner — College and University ; and no harm can result as long as parents can judge of the efficiency of his teaching. They are really his inspectors. But suppose the Corporation of Kingston agreed to support a certain number of schools, and to pay the school -": asters ac- cording to their ef&ciency, it would never do i » make a teacher his own inspector, or the inspector of the other teach- ers. The inspector must be a party wholly independent of the individual teachers. In the Universities of Scotland, the University of Dublin, and the Universities of Canada, the University and the College are practically the same, as, in most cases, they arc supported by llicir own private funds. 8 fiut wlieil Colleges form part of & national scbeine, supported by Btate endowment, it is absulutely necessary that the inspect* inj^, examining And certifying body should be independent of the Colleges, or, at least, if tne Colleges c»iO represented, they must be impartinJIy representcid. The University of London is a good illustration of the inspecting body being totally distilict from the teaching bodies or Colleges. If the inspecting body be also empowered to distribute the funds amongst the various teaching bodies, it is doubly important that it should be so dis- tinct as to be above all suspicion. The University needs ho imposing buildings. It can transact its business in an ordinary office. Special buildings £tre required only for ColkgeSi The University may meet at any distance from the Colleges. For example, if it was thought necessary, it would be quite possible to affiliate all the Colleges of Canada to the University of London. The examination papers eonld be sent out to Canftda^ and only one trustworthy persotl wcrtlld be required to see that the papers were fairly submitted to the students. The pftpers with the students* answers would be returned to the University of London, and degrees awarded according to merit; This plan, while costing only a merely nominal sura, would have given much greater satisfaction and security ibt impartiality than the plan adopted at Toronto. I do not mean to advocate such a scheme. I hope we will yet see a national uni- versity of our owil ; but I give this illustration to show the n. ! 3 of the functions of a university. The term degree when Used in connection with the University of Toronto requires some explanation. The natural meaning of the degree of M. A; Or B. A. is that it certifies that the party has gone through a college course of study^ and that he has creditably acquitted himself. It does not certify that he is more learned or wiser than men who have not received a college education^ Its essen- tial character is to certify the fact that h3 has received a college education. Tks non-natural sense of the term degree, as usra and acted tlpon at Toronto, is that it may apply to men who liever were within the walls of a college, or received anjr college training. The degree is there merely a certificate that he has passed an examination, not that he has received a college triin^ mg. This is a mere question of definition of terms, but the practical and moral question is. Has the University of Toronto implemented its engagement by giving degrees which cost lit- tie more than the paper, when it received ample funds to give the costly substance as well as the cheap symbol, the edu- cation as well as the certificate 1 Are not such degrees illegal by the statute ? The next term requiring definition is student. I was lone perplexed myself, and I Icnow many others who hare been similarly perplf»xed, as to the real state of the attendance of students. A flood of light is thrown on the matter by the mean- ing attached to the word student in the Toronto returns. Ac- cording to the natural meaning of the word, a student at a uni- versity is one who regularly attends classes during the day, and spends his nights in study. This is by no means the meaning of the word at Toronto. The student may never heair a single lecture, never perform a college exerciso. He may be all the year round a store-keeper in some distant town. He has only to put his name in the University books, go through an examina- tion, receive probably a sum of money in hand, called a scholar* ship, and he ranks as a student. If he is an indiifstrious y but there is no obligation whatever to submit to any college at- tendance or discipline. There is still another novel meaning attached to the word student. Br. Williamson, as part <^ the obligation of the college to the Corporation of Kingston, will deliver a short course of lectures on astronomy to the public^ and it is to be hoped that hundreds of the people will attend. Now if Queen's CcdUege imitate the example of Toronto you will be all returned as occasional students, our institution will be proved to be in a most flourishing condition ! The real test of the state of a University is the numb^ of honafide students going through a regular course of college instruction and pro- e> These figures shew you the noble endDWment originally conferred, not for the benefit of any class, but for the benefit of all classes. That capital if it had not been spent in build- ing would have represented an annual interest of $105,000. I presume that Dr. Leitch when speaking of jC20,000, meant £20,000 sterling, and the figures that I give you are the same* But unfortunately for the present generation and for succeed- ing generations, this large fund does not remain intact, a part is irretrieva;bly gone. It may give character to Toronto, and I acknowledge, that to a great extent, I sympatize with the V. 25 foeliog which induces mankind to embellish plac«8 of dwM* QatioQ, it is a feeling in which we acquiesce ; but with refer- ence to this fund and in this instance, one must acknowledge that the expenditure has been almost unwarrantable, and in- 4eed, but for certain sanctions pf Pailiament it would .have been wholly so. There ha^ been spent upon tl^e building ac- count up to the close of 1859, nearly $300,000, and. that money whiph belonged to the whole country, and which wat given for the benefit of the whole country, has been spent pn t,he University ot Toronto, T?hich may or may not give a higher education to those who frequent it. But it is not calculated to do good in the way that those who conferjred the endowment intended. X suppose that perhaps $10,000 more will be necessary. , The Museum and Library have been set down as requiring $10,000 more, which is gone^ That would reduce this capital to $1,170,000. I make allow* 9ince for contingencies, but as Dr. Leitch says, they hav^e a re- markable power of spending. I therefore reduce it to $1,150,000,. E^en that is a noble endowment still left at the disposal of Parliament for the purpose of higher edi^cation. That this is ample we ca.n judge for ours.elves, j^ 80^000 a year for the pur- pose of higher education. You , know the number of studenbi of Queen's College, and you know their attainments, and the income of that institution is only $11,000; and yet if that University has done for higher education what it haswitli $11,- 000, what naay not be done with $ 50,000. Victoria Coliege has al- so $11,000, Trinity College $12,000. Compare the magnificent, endowment of Toronto university with that of any of these Colleges, and compare the results. I have with that view drawn up a brief statement of the number of un ler-graduate^ and the expenditure in a variety of Colleges in Upper Canada^ l^ew York and Massachusetts. In Toronto University they return 190 students as University Students. Dr. Leitch ha» already explained the use of that p\rase.. It is certain that although they return that number, yet there are in the Colle^^ apparently but an average of 43. But, sir, take the whole ex- penditure. There are attending the University either actual students, or students from other Colleges, or persons who do not attend any College, 190, and they have a revenue of $53,658. But that does not give you so true a view as the other. ^ Leavej out Toronto University and take the teaching body^ University 26 ife >f: College, find ttey liave there an average of 48 studenfs ; an^ Ae revenue expended is nearly $40,000, and yet all that is irre- ^jpective of the immense sum devoted to the buildings. Ih Trinity College they educate 24 students at an expendi- ture of $12,000; in Queen's College 133 at an expense of $11,000; in Victoria College 169 students at an expense of $11,000. The number of students in M'Gill College is very farge, for they have all the Faculties there except Theology, *ntt they spent there in 1 859, $12,480. In Laval College in Quebec, belonging to the Boman Catholics, "where the educationi is jgood and the Professors men of great learning,^ the expense "Was $16,000. Now these are our own Universities, and the ^pebditure of iall of them is below one half, and some of them below one fourth that of University College. Take the system? in New York State, and we can always apply ourselves benefi- isaXly to the examples we find in the States in many respects, because they are a practical and economical people, and as a rule they see that they get value for their public money. In the'. State of New York, Columbia College, "with 153 students, ex- ])ended $58,607, of which $6,515 was earned in the shape oi fees; Union College (297 students) $23,317, fees $8,665; Hamilton College (134) $2 S348, fees $1^64 ;' Hobart (92> $10,479, fees $767 ; University of the eity of New York, with 574 students, (106 collegiate, 129 preparatory and 320 medical students, and 10 in schools of art) $13,049, fees $6,720 ; Madi- 102 students, $10,803. fees $2,246 ; Bochester, 147 stu- flon :>« dents, $13,507, fees, $4,749. * I have got the statistics of several other Colleges, all show- vbg the same comparative result. I will however adduce one' 6ther instance. Harvard University, near Boston, the oldest trni"9iBrBity on this Continent, and one of whose graduates we Bave the happiness of seeing here to-night in the person of the Yenerable Archdeacon, has upon its books 443 nnder-graduates 41id 453 professional students — students o£ law, medicine and tiieology. The total is 896 upon the books, educated at an ex- pense of $64,000. Their education is equal to that of Toronto College. I think, therefore, Mr. Chairman, it is beyond doubt flfat ^is endowment is most ample, estimating its comparative ainouiit with the instances I have given, and which are not «on- £ned to Canada but extend to other parts of the world. I will »ot^ sir, make any comment upon the manner in which this 27 i[«.rge endowment is expended, because there is another rcsolu* jtion which aims at that. But X will refer to it cursorily, and |;hat not with reference to the amount of extravagance and waste, but with reference to those points in my own resolution, that the entire expenditure of the national endowment Uirough Toronto University and College, does not reach the country at ]aree. Now the gross revenue of this University was $53,653, and the expenditure in the Bursar's Office is $8,186:68. I think it is a large sum ; you can judge for yourselves. Fpi: my part, $53,000 is not a sum to warrant eight thousand doln jiars expense in collecting it, even where the annual receipts in- clude considerable sums received on account of capital. Of University expenses the Bursar's office, including incidentalB| was put down at $8,J86 89 ; University officers, $3,026—? making $11,313 89. The twenty examiners were University^ officers, (but University College occupied their time chiefly, and nine of them were College Professors,) received $1,760, half of which should be charged to the University and half to the College, making $880 ; 66 scholarships (many only charged for a part of the year, but during that part) costing ^6,013, one- fourth of which should go to the University and three-fourths to the College, $1,503 ; and the prizes in the same proportions, $956, or $239 to the University — making the University ac- count $13>834 89. The College account would present ;— • proportion of examiners, $880 ; of scholarships, $4,510 ; of prizes, $717 ; 12 Professors, 132,480 ; servants, $8,397 ; sta- tionery and printing (including periodicals, $20,953 ; station- ery, 2,007 38 ; advertising, $57'i 33), $2,794 ; incidentals^ $1,313 54 ; resident and current expenses, $554 31 ; outfi^ und furnishings, $5,676 86, which, at 10 per cent, interest, would be $567— total, $39,232 85, Sundry items ;— Resi- dence for director of observatory, $4,340 ; cottages for observers cost $4,762 ; expended on grounds in 1859, $6,256 : fuel^ $1,860 ; observatory salaries (including $1,36U to Prof. King- ston, who gets a salary as a professor), $3,725 ; fuel for ob^ert- atory, $117 ; stationery, $83 ; incidentals of all kinds, $480, piakiugan expenditure upon the observatory of $4,411. From these charges against the observatory in Toronto the audience would be able to judge of the liberality of the proposal of Dr. Ijeitch and his coadjutors in assuming the management and, working of the obserratory here. (Applause.) From the ac« # ?''■ ( ji^nntt oi 1859 it appeared that there were charges in that yeaf igainst the museum of $3,980 ; library, $7,4o0 ; buildinn, 171,961 ; grounds, $6,256 ; museum fittings, $3,270. The totdl expenditures up to December 31, 1859, of capital in secu- rities, builditigs and library, were $1,117,729 ; and of income, 1^82,927, — shewing that everything is done on the most hand- tome and liberal scale, and thei result is 48 students are edu- cated. (Loud cheers.) I would now draw your attention to the buildihjgs. They have in England and Ireland several CoUe^i^ Established, whose relative cost will be given by some other gentleman. The building in Toronto will cost $350,000. The pollers at Belfast anfl Cork cost £34,000 and je32,000, to that you see this poor young country expends £80,000 wherei m Irdand or England, overflowing with wealth, they expend Only £32,000. ' Gentlemen, all this expenditure has had the dfect which it could not fkil to have, of exhausting all the funds the University had.' In the original Charter of the University as it now exists^ it was intended that there should be a surplus, ind I concur in Dr. X jcompete on fair grounds with University College, since it spends the whole of the University endowment, charges no fees for tuition, spends nearly $6,000 a year in scholarships, has a tutor at the public expense to prepare pupils for matri* iculation, and .^preparatory school at $23,200 a year pre' paring pimils. ^o\y paij they compete on these terms ? It }a impossible to suppose th^t men having due respect for themselves would achate or compete upon saoh terms as these, and ^hereforp has that system failed. 4-ud from these joauses tl)ie truth of the last position in |iiy resolution is mani- feat. The leading idea which aptuates me in the part which I p.m taking this qight is this, that the epdowment was in? tended for aj}. And I kqow of no betfer means than to as- pist the various Colleges which haye shewn the abililt^ and 'the inclination to assist thepiselves. (Cheers.) These are the phani^els wj^ioh the people thems^lyes prefer, •> Mr. Chairman and gentlemen, \ have done, an4 I will add lihis merely that I trust ij; will not be said that we aim at any thing like destruction, that we are governed by any influence likely to afiTect the existence of this large endowment, or the interests of Toronto University or College. We are not here for the purpose of aboHshjqg f oronto University or dimin- isl^ipg its infli^ence. We wish to increase it. Neither are we here for the purpose of destroying this munificent endow- ment, bat of seeiqg that it goes in the best channels to ac-r pomplish the purposes for which it was intended. Neither fure wehere for the purpose of destroying University College, ve are actuated by no illiberal principles towards that Col- )ege, we are anxious that it should be preserved, that its en? dowment shoul(l not tj® taken away. Every one ijvould be "^eady to give a share to University College. Dr. Cook ancl )r. Bjerson propose4 to give it twice as much as they asked jbr i^uy ot.her College, University College is national merely in name, because the nation prefers denon^i national Colleges. W h^t we ain^ at is this, not to destroy this College, but to perye the whole and make them useful. We desire that this pioney aho^ld not be used in such a manner as to destroy the CoIWes established in various parts of the country, which it YrU! qo i| this system is continued, l^hsX is the system whiQh hi ire wish to aittack, and not to attack either the tTniversit^ of University Colle^, but to serve them all. (Loud cheenng.)' Hon. Mr. Campbell concluded by moving the second reso- lution, given above. Alexander Cowan, Esq., seconded the reSolution,v^hich wasr put to the meeting by His Worship the Mayor, and umani- mously carried, with much applause. It* ('■ \v )f> : J! ..«♦■■ SPEECH Mr. Mayor,- .Tt. •Hi ■ ■ m OF THE REV. PliESIB'ENT NELLES/i VICTORIA COLLEGE, COBOURG. d; I feel some delicacy,- Sir, as I am not a citizen of Kingston, in addressing this audience, and only do so because of the kind and urgent reqnest of the fiends at whose desire this meeting has been called. Ihere is scarcely any need of words of mine, after the very able and convincing argu'raents to which you have already listened.' Nearly every aspect of the subject has been presented, and if any. came to the meeting under doubts, those doubts must have been very much modified. I am called upon to moVe the following Reso- lution : — 4i.f " That although the statute made provision that the tTniversity' Of Toronto" should be separated from University College, the two ^odiecrare now practically identical, so that the University does npt act as a check upon the College ; that in any reformatory measore fo maintain a unifora^ standard of education, and secure the efficiency 6f the Collegcis, there should be a central University Board; impar- tially constituted or equally connected with the aflSliated Colleges." We have^ Mr. Mayor, been very much misrepresented during the progress of this University Reform movement. And we have espe- cially been chained with selfish aims. Our motives have been vcaii; 3t I t ■ -I'm J>9f ned. I thiuk, sir, it ii % taflScient, reply to tay that what our opponents have to deal with is not so inach our motiva as our nua- auret. Let us grant that the motives of our adversaries are as pure as our own, and let us rest the question, not on motives which are known only to God, but on the character and tendency of the retpect- ive eyetetM. If a system bo oxcluHive and selfish in itself and in its effects, then no intentions, however pure, should redeem it from repro- bation. Now, sir, so far frorii our desiring anythiitg in itself narrow, onC'sided or sectional, we have from the very outset sought to discuss this question oh the broadest national grounds. We have not asked anything for ourselves that we have not at the same time demanded for all classes of the community. Indeed the main objection which we have urged against the Toronto system iH, that it is not broad enough ; that under the garb of a pretended nationality it is practi- cally serving the purpose of a party. What we complain of is the narrowntse of the so-called Provincial University, and its consequent inadequacy to meet the public wants. The tendency is nothing lest than that of centralising in one single College all the higher educa- tion of this great country. This resolution very properly refers to the injustice and impolicy of merging the University ol' loronto into University College. The University Act of 1853 was conceived, to some extent at least, in a liberal spirit, but the law (defective in itself) has not been liberally administered — wherever the blame may lie. The Univefrsity of Toronto has become University College, and Univei^ity College has become the University of Toronto, and, as matters now stand, the distinction only serves to double the drain on the endowment, without accomplishing the original design of affiliating the other Colleges. It is against this state of things that we protest, and, whatever the motives of its defenders, the scheme itself 18 eminently narrow and sectional. It is without a paralliel in any other civilised country. Is England satisfied with onesinglo College ? has she not several Universities and some eighty Colleges ? Neither can any precedent be found in Scotland or Ireland, if you pass to the Continent, in Prussia alone there are no less than six Universi- ties ; in Austria, ten ; and in the whole of Germany nearly thirty. IA New England you find a large number of Colleges, and Colleges certainly not inferior to University College, Toronto. In the little State of Connecticut there are three Universities, and you will not find, a single intelligent man in the State that would desire the abo- lition of any one of them. In Massachusetts there are three Univer- sities, each of which has its own peculiar foundation, and pcrfoms its bwn peculiar work, nor will any one say that the State is not the better for the existence of the three. Such is the example of other countries both in Europe and America ; but Canada, with an im- # m kiente territbir and rapidly indl'easiiiflr popuIaHon; it to be ItiatM Mi bne solitary College in Toronto ! With the British Mood flowing in our veins, in the possession bf British libcHy And law, endbwed with the energy of the Saxon intellect and inheriting the prieelbsi heirloom bf the Saxon literatutb and Ikhgitsffe; snrely the tiltib will bbine wheti the peojlle of Canada will reqUire nbt bniy bM but as the Colleges now established tihiong u8 i If these Collipges Vere not in oxistehce^ they Vbnld heM tb be created ; now that they are established bnd have boon in sticoefttful bperation for so itiahy yoars; it doe« sbetn inost ihipOlillc Mtid etbti snioidai tb dcstrby thbtn, or tb tindcrtnino them by means bf Me great monbpoly: If need be, let them all bb united under bne coin- mbh Senate ; wb nave hiade this propbStil ; but if it be nbt aooepted, thbn we muH cbhtihtie to struggle on in our inde(>bndent exiltonee •i distinct tJnivehBltibsi I cannot delay to poiiit but the manjr advantages of a iyfttetti Of diffnsioti ai opposed to that of cehtralisation. It encourages boMipe- titibn ; it provided for conflicting views tind interests ; it rbnderl ed- ucitioh iuOTb easily accetaible ; knd it tends in vaHbns ways tb pt6- ttbte the educatibn of a lar|^er humber. Hundreds of ^ohths have been educitted in Queen's College and Victoria College whb #buld btherwise hiive gfbwn iip in ignbivnce. This arises in pMtt frottl the very activitjr and zeal bf Chrilbtian donotninations, as well as from the natural bbniidcnco which our people repbse in their UnireMttibs; Ohe of the hiembers of thb {.egi^lktnre sMdto me tit Quebec : " Yba Methodists are bvery whcre.^' Sir, it is gbb« of roMoning Adoptod by th«t piiptr wen with wk«t appeared in the tame journal aizyeara t>tiore, when the preient University Act was beforo tho Legislature. Pefnnit roe to read the fbllpwing extracts from tho LeaJtr of 1 863 : ^' Ten y«arA henoe, itwilUeom oxtraordinnry thatonlightunod and ** liberal ttalesmen should a few years a^o havo attomptud to place "University odncation on a basis of centralization, wbiuh ovory one *^'wiU tiien admit to have been entirely unsuitod to the condition *' Md wants of society. It is now all but gonorally admitted that we ** eannoi centralize University education without practically with- ** holdinff its benefits from many who under a system of wise and gen- '^ •roueoitfusion would be enabled to avail themselves of its advantages, f* In aooordaoce with tho want felt and acknowledged, the Government " have proposed to themselves this much needed reform. So lon^as " the Univorsity of Toronto is based on tho principle of centralisa- 'Vtioo; so long as it remains a mammoth institution, gradually con- ** turning its own capital, and marching rapidly toward tho gaol of ** extinction ; it is impossible to look upon its position as satisfactory. ** Indeed it hat imbibed the principle of mortality, and presents be- *Vnea,th the hectic flush of apparent prosperity, symptoms of unmis- *' takeablo decay. An actuary would in a few minutes be able tor *i predict, with precise accuracy, the moment when the last sands ** wonld fall through tho glass — when tho last penny of capital would ** be abaorbed. The disease that preys on the vitals of tho institutioa ** points to a sure fatality. There is no time then to bo lost in ap- ** pljin^ ^0 remedy, if this educational fund, destined to benefit ** Gamidian youth, not only in the present but iA future generations, ** it not to bo engulphed by tho profligacy and ill-management of the ** pmaiog hour. Now is the time for committing it to an economi' **oal a iihe £0ader of 18£3< And I may iiiddthat this quotation, bendes '' *fl|f a viUnable testimony in favour of our present agitation, shows 8& s'tiTy clearly wltat conktruciiou was put upon Uio (si»liug Act>vbaii lit was passed. V" * ,. Attain, Sir, mnrk the injustice of the existing monopoly m favor^ fng the pruftironcus of one small portion of tliu community, at tha e](p«n9e of tho rest. A vcrv large number of the people of this coud* try have a deep and long-cliuritihcd conviction in favor of d«nomina* tional Colleges. Tl)cy have evinced, and are evincing, their vi«wa in the most nnmistnkoablo manner; they arc making groat facrifici(Qr. The oner dolWe theory can only provide for di^erences pf religipn by religious HidlfferoYice. Xpr is it any fail' reply, that the Professpr has np od- ^on tof tekch rfiKgipn, Hei T^i^y tern to the people, Can tfie public doubt which is the more liberal and the more practicable procedure? If there wepe up pther objection, this Toronto scheme shonld ba condemned for its simple impracthahility. As it does not prevail |n any other cquntfiy, so it >vill never prevail in Canf^da. One Col- lege may indeed grasp all the mon^y, but four-fifths of our youth wiU. ^0 elsewhere for education. So far as the experiment has been tried, no progress has been made lipward a successful centralization. We do not deny th^t University College has grown ; she might well, grow, she has been hired to grow, she has been coaxad to grow ; her roots have been nursed in the rich soil of $100,000 a year. And after all she has scarcely grpwn more rabidly than the several denom-. ^natioqal Colleges *, Colleges that have flourish ed in the rugged soil pf poverty, and \\x»X have been in m^ny ways injured by the unfair- vsc mac^e of the yery euc^pwment of which Univei-sity College has despoiled them, .fhcso dcnon^inational Colleges are far stronger. Sittd more populs^r than they woro seven year« ago, nor is there the remotest^ piohabiji^y that the general public will abandon these well- jjried institutions, ^nd h\\ in with the ambiguous and unreliable ex- periment now be^ng mad^ in University College. You have recently given new proof of vigorous growth in Qr.cen's Collie, by the c»-i tohlishix^ent of a Fiiculty pf Law, f^nd I wish you may every day \i»-^ pome stronger i^nd stronger, and that your nuqibei's may increase % jihousaod fold. Even the Baptists and Episcopal Methodists, tWo) phurches that appear no^ to sympathizie in the present movement,: ^ven these, by erecting se^iinaries on the denominational basisi, prot: piaim tho demand of those bodies for this kind of higher cducationif^ and den^onstrate the utter inadequacy and impracticability of the op- posite scheme, viewed as a scheme for the whole country. One of |wo things then ia certain, either these denominational inatitutiont itaustbecomprehdnided in the endowed collegiate system of the land, ^ else w? s^aU h<^vo pc>r]p9tuated in our n^idst the monst^us anon^ r ! 'I 1 I If i ! 'Sl m ■ilv of jDoe College employed to speud the endow went, 9,n4 several otncr Colleges to do the work of education. A kind of divisipn q( labor that may well startle all persons but those Toronto inpnopoV lists, who seem to think that a CoUegn is valuable and fapious in proportion . to its useless expenditure of public funds. 33ut, sir, this large and respectable raeeting affords ample evidence that such notions, jiowcyer they may suit the " benevolent " and "t patriotic?' purposes of TJniversity College, ^nd np favour in tha (cyea ojE the public ^Harge. ^r TJie Venerable Archideacon Stuart secopded the resolvir tion. I am exceedingly pleased, Mr. Chairman, to Bee so large an assembly here this evening to discuss the questiop. ol University Eeforra. The diffusion of a high literary and scientific education throughout this vast I'rovince is very dearto my own mind, having been a teacher of the first public Grammar School established in the city of Kingston. The Resolution was accordingly put to the Meeting, and parried with much applause. ^ ' "5^^ "'/r ..■:...■■ ... JSPEECn OF THOMAS KIRKPATRICK, ESQ,, Q. C, ^ fc. Chairtnan, Ladies and Gentlemen, — At this late pe- riod of the evening, I do pot intend to detain you long, 'y'ou have heard a good deal about Universities and C<3- leges, and you have heard advocated and spoken yery l^ighly of, the Common School system, of which the coup- try, mfij. be proud. But there is a connecting lipk hH-- tweeu thesie two w|iose claims have not been advocated. X meaii the Gi*ampaar Schools without which the University "vyQiild be useless. The resolution which I have in my han4 points to one or- two things, with reference to the effect of ceotralization on the Grammar Schools. It reads as follows : " Tlyit it appears from the evidence on the University question, that Upper Canada College, which seryes as 'a Grammar School to prepare students for Univereity College, Totorito-i-in short, a Toronto Union, Cominon and Gram- mar School, enjoyed during the three yeais preceding 1859, 5^ reveuue of twentV-five thousaud dollars more than the' gum received from the Grammar School tupd by the whiple p^yfepty-fiye Grarcpdiar Schools of Upper Capada japd tb?>l ))^,|/i)ie' priginal 4^s^ipation of t|ie epdowmont, the pity o^ QQ t 4 £^in'gsioD has aa equal ligh:. to a fair proportioti for thai znaintenance of a first-rato Grammar School with a suitable Btaff of teachers." , Ladies and Gentlemen, when I first read this resolution, I thought there was a mistake in it, and it was not until I re* ferred to the evidence given before Parliament last wlntei!, that I found it a fact, that, in the three years preceding 1869, Upper Canada College received jC76,000. You will say that this is an extraordinary fact ; that an attempt should be maide to draw all boys to Toronto to receive their eduoatioq. I have received Statistics of that School at Toronto. It contains pupils of all ages. The Upper Canada College hw 13 masters, who receive $15,254 per year. (Various other details were given.) Gentlemen, these facts are startling ones, that this money is spent in the education of a few favored ones at Toronto. What I argue, and- what the latter part of this resolution brings forward, is, that this is not the application of the fund which was originally intended. Perhaps a great m^ny mpy not know that as early as 1791, a large tract of land was set apart for the establishing of free Grammar Schools in those districts, in which they were called for, and in duo time, 9ther larger Seminaries. At the present day^ the system has been reversed, The Seminaries of a larger and more Comprehensive nature, have been favored, and fostered, but the Grammar Schools have not received that attention which they ought to have received. Very few of them receive an inqome larger than $700. Now, it is impossible for this sum to furnish a staff of masters to establish a good Grammar School. Grammar Schools are, therefore, obliged to impose heavy fees in order to furnish means to pay their masters. Thsit' was not intended in the original grant, and if. the ^uoD^^y squandered in Toronto had been devoted to the origt' mi] '' >tf ition, i believe that the Universities would now be in a Tore flourishing condition than they are. Now we are to see how we can mend that matter. I hope there will be Grammar School reform, as well as University refornv TJie Superintendent of education in Upper Canada, introd]a09d a Bill last year to secure this end,, and I hope he will neyer oea^e until he establishes the Grammar School on a pro^r and sure foundation. I will not detain you further to show ir ' I p< > ikiit All the exeftions I have been able to make, have beeti diluted to the improvement of the Grammar Schools of this t)lace. We are also endeavoring to create connecting links between the Cdmmon Schools in the Country^ and the Oitj -Oranlmar School. We are endeavofing to CRtablish Bursaries in the Grammar Schools, so that the Common Schools maj Jeledt their best pupils to compete for them. Another object •wbioU we have oeen endeavoring to effect id the establish- ment of one good school in this city. Dnion is strength. Divided we fall. Heretdfore we have had twd Grammar ^Schools, one in connection with the Univet-sity of Queen's Oollege, and the other the County Gramular School. If these two were united, and worked barmoniousl v, the caus€i Of edu- cation would be much better promoted. (Cheers.) '' COLONEii CAMERON'S SI^EECH. '■ ddldhel Cameron rose tu jnd the Resolution, tind spoke Its follows :— ^ In seconding this Resolution, Mr. Chairman, 1 will takd ihe libeHy of making one or twci remarks. I would be sorry 40 trespass du the patience df the meeting after so much has been said; but if I can redder one simple reasdn amongst ftll the strong ones already given; why this Endowment should be mdre geuerrilly diffused for the purposes of educa* tion throughdut thd Provinde, I trust ydu will pardon me; At the time it was granted, the whole, nearly 2d0,000 acresj iroald ndt have sold for much j it is probslble no man coilld then be ft)und that wduld value it at one quarter of its annual proceeds, abodt jCoOOO. (Hear^ hear;) It is the rapid progress «tf the general improvement of the country that has enhanded it» value. (Hear«) It is the toil of even the podr imniigrant in thiS back-woodsj clearing his farm ;--=the skilful industry of the mechanic ;--^the enterprisinsr character of the nierc'nant; — the improving spirit of oilr Legislation ; all the work of the people Slik&in every section of the Province; Every mile of Canal and BaJilrodd, 6v6ry mile of Maceidamized Road; whether made by>th©iQ<>Vernttient, the Municipalities, Joint Stock CorhlpatiJ imot ot^rWi^,—- all at the expense of t.he people ^eneralljr>— tsttd to enhimoe this Endowment, portions of which are sitn* rteiti'^veiy sectidtf of the Province. (Applause.) Why then Id la be nd de 41 ^li'>uld that ^ortio4 bf the people living al:itlut Tdtbnto i^Qno reap the beiiefit, while other edudational idstitutions in dther Sections of the Province, are equally deserving ? (Hear.) It appears to me this is a reason for a reform itl the appli- cation of this Endowment, and I believe that the sooner the jxlaintainers, the aiders and abettors of this mismanaged mon- opdly voluntarily submit to a fair distribution of its finandail redOurces to others having just claims, the more will they themselves benefit by it. (Cheers.) The Eesolutiou on being put to the meeting was U|]tu4« mously catried, with applause. r^ feEV. DR. RYERSON'S SPEECH. ■■ « . Dt. Byei^on was next called upon to address the meeting, atid was rebeived with great cheering. Mr. Mayor, Ladies and Gentlerrien. — ^I should very ill requite the bordiality which I have feceivedj should I deUdn you at this advanded period of the night. 1 may. Sir, cxAj gratulate this meeting, the City of Kingston and the Univer- bity of Queen's Cdllege, upon the accession of a gentleman to your community; at the nead df that institution, lioble In sentiment, of high scientific and literary attainments, with largeness of heart, Christian in bharacter, and philanmropi6 in spirit. (Loud cheering.) I may also refer to another gentleman whom I knew in the days df his jouth, and tQ Ivhom I have listened with surprise and admiration,- and oi^ ivhom I look as one of the future leading statesmen of thvt country; It is an honor to Kingston aba an honor to Can- ada to have such a man. Sir, I may be allowed a ^yersonaf reference in consequence of the allusions tiiat have been maqb this evening. It was intimated by Mr. Campbell that iSm first Charter of Toronto Uhiversity wits modified. As I have been referred to at that period (1828) when 25 yeani o; age, in the pamphlet I wrote on that subject, I rmj state t}ia£ I then maintained the views which I ti6w do. I d^d not wish to extinguish the Church of England, or depriye thect^ bf the means of educating their youth in their own way, but when the institution was mainfaaoed at the eqc^sm,^i^ oountiry, I lield that the Charter riiQu^d be rep^a, or at- tended. But I shall give exam|>Ies of thi9 in an intea^ei}' 42 I f! It % feply toa pamphlet lately published by Mr. Langton and Dr. Wilson, at the expense of the funds of the University. Without pretending to any more patriotism than others, 1 have sought the good of Upper Canada as a -whole. I have wished for the growth of edticational institutions in Kingstoii fmd other parts of Canada as well as in Toronto, that our country may ri^e to the grandeur which I believe to be des' lined tor it by the" will ot Providence. (Cheers.) Lord Macaulay, in a speech on Keform in Parliament irl 1880, mentioned what he called the *' bottomless pit of Chancery." I think all who have listened to Mr. Carapbell'3 statistics this evening, must be impressed that there has been a '• bottomless pit " of University expienditure at Toronto. (Cheers.) ■ I have been struck with the entire harmony between the views which have been maintained by the eloquent gentle- men who have spoken this evening and the fundamental principles of the system of public instruction in Upper Canada. ReferenCB has been made to the fact that the views put forth and the agitation carried on, are at variance with out •ystem of public instruction — that odr schools are non-deno- minational, but we advocate denominational Colleges. Now, there is this little defect in this view, which an inch of mind thidt can see, ot the half inch of heart that can feel, will not fiul to' detect, and that is, that what is accidental in the 'sys^ teija is mistaken for what is fundamental. The fundamental {nriDCiiples of the system of public instruction in this country JBire, 'first, the right and duty of every parent to provide for tb^ religious instruction of his own cnildren. That is embod- ied in the law, in the regulations, in the mode of administra- ting^ In the Common School system, it is proyided that no child shall be compelled, and that is the clause in every charter, to attend religious instruction contrary to the views of liisp^euts ; but that a parent shall have the right that such reiigio>:iS instruction shall be given to his children as he needs ;; and that each denomination is entitled to the school an hopr evetj" week for the purpose of receiving religions in- i^etrc^ £^ozfi'*the ]Paator of the denomination. I have ^on^ tttided from' the beginning, and I contend this day^ that I irduld rstber see any religious system of education in a coun^ ^41 TS try, than a system that did not recognise Christianity ai the 80ul of intellectual growth. That system is provided in this country, so that the duty of the parent and pastor may be discharged. But for the system to be harmonious and com- plete, it should be provided that in that branch of edacation which must be pursued by youth awav from their parents and pastors, provision should be made for their parental and f)astoral oversight. Is it so with a non-denominational Col* ege ? How can it be provided for otherwise, than by insti* tutions in harmony with the feelings and obligations of the parents ? If therefore one principle is to pervade the whole system, the College must provide for tne performance of those duties. The parent can perform these when the child is under his own eje, but can he do so when that child is separated from him by hundreds of miles, and at that period of life, too, when the mind is most susceptible of impressions? Is there to be a system maintained that ignores religious in* struction during the most eventful period of the youth of a country ? Another principle which lies at the foundation of our sys- tem of public instruction, is, that throughout the whole sys* tem their exists a connection between state aid and local effort, and in this the soul of public instruction consists. Not a common school is assisted, until a certain sum is raised by the section, and so it is with the Grammar Schools. The onljr exception to this principle is Upper Canada College and University College ; and whether these are beacons of warn^ ing or examples for imitation, you can all judge after tbe statements of Messrs. Campbell and Kirkpatrick. When the funds for the purpose of giving a higher education to youth are distributed to those who provide themselves with builds ngs, select the proper men as rrofessors and teachers,^ — is not that the true system of carrying out the higher education ofa country ? Has it not done good to the Church of England^ that these efforts have been put forth ? Has: it nofcditMie good to the Church of Scotland, and done good to themtd^ ligence, the piety and the patriotism of the people, of Coocda:? Has it not enlarged the feelings of the Methodists^ conceive and establish such an institution aayictbria:CoMege?c:'WlsSD Sir, the state is the equal friend and protector of adl,ih8irdct is that we may expect them all to ftonrish, 'becBo^e^mwi \§ i . h^' . : H' { 44 le^o^ bams« That k the very basis of our Cpmmon School pjMem. The mere fj^t of a school being non-denominational ot donomin^ional is accidental. The grants of these denom- ina^onal OoUeges are also prior to the establishment of Uni> ye^tj College at Toronto. Their history is old^r than the mpoppoly aji; Toronto. (Cheers.) It was on this account th^t tne Methodists were called on to establish Yictoria Col- legia. It is j)he desire to assimilate the whole system in Up- m Canada. To be sure, you cannot have a College in each Idi^ty, but ^a you co-operate in two small sections to estab- lish a large sphool, so in the case of two religious sections, you may coroperate and have a higher education given to ihMe who must leave the parental aoode. What would \i javidly if youth go away to ^ great distance, and receive a lioble educatioi), if they are all the time becoming morally Ifnined ? I have heard of clergymen who had sent their sons to a i):on-denon^inational College, s^y that they had been ruine^. We haye no reports ot the moral shipwrecks that Jiave resulted from this nqn-denomifiational svatem. We who are more advanced in life, know the difl&culty of resist- ing the temptations with which we are surrounded^ and how invLck more difficult must it he for youth, when passions are ^DOBt potent Is it right, then, to leaye them without reli- gious instfuction, without the most powerful religious infiu- pnHtB that can be thrown aroiind them ? (Cheers.) ^nd is titore a Christian parent in this assembly who \yoHl^ not ^tbe^ have a plain education for his child, with the prin^ples ol Chiristian ^uth iniitilled into his mii^d, than any atten^pt at jft tefined education, entirely destitute of those religious and iboral influei^pes that constitute the very basis of etociety. It lias biben said you haye sectarian and denominational inst^uc- Ition. What jaoea that imply ? and what do thepretenders fill luoh imply ? It is a denial of their faith. What is the Jjiskdry of a ooiintry, bvit the history of the religious denomi* qttibiii of that country ? What is the Christianity of a pBtmtt^^ laat the Christian denominations of that countir ? J^iii^ whttt mMd be the history of Canada without regard toi ~^ "ligknii detioipiDatioT^ ? Ko professed Christian can pre- tjC> do kf^ with 4^omina^onal instruction, witlk>ui "^poofei^caL If felkious instruction is sood on the S#l^fi«t||, ir it not good on the week-day ? Is it bipid to have \ 46 If 9 it % f iS a it e b- re i* f outH^under those influcDoes on the six days of the week, as well as on the seventh ? And every parent who desires his children to be imbued with these feelings, will feel the obli- gations on him to provide his children with those influences every day, every hour, whei> they are away from the protec- tion and sympathy of a mother's heart, and a parental fire- side. This is the very principle on which we proceed. And one word more. The British Government proceeded to es- tablish the Queen's University of Ireland ; but h^d they been actuated by a Toronto spirit, thev would have erected but one College there; yet they erected t^hree Colleges in different parts of !^eland. ]^ut while there was centralisation in the University authority, there was dispersion in the agencies of communicating the education. In the London University the words of the Chgiter are, '' to encourage all classes and denopaina^jons." And in France while there is one Univer- sity, jn Paris, there ftre thirty-six Colleges in different parts of the Empire. It h<^ been said if the state grant aid to denomino-tional Colleges, the Eoroan Catholics must get a share, or ^t would be an injustice. I think I mav appeal to the history of the past in proof that I am the last man to yield to unjust Boman Catholic pretensions ; but I hope I am the last man to do injustice to Boman Catholics or anv othe^ class pf citizens. If the Ron>an Catholics do the work done by PrptestaQji Colleges they are entitled to aid as well as others, ^t is better for the people to be educated in somd faith ^h&u in none ^t all. The principle on which the people of this country haye proceeded is, equal rights to all classes* We come out manly, and undeservedly, and boldly, and say, if the ]Soman Catholi(5& do the work prescribed by Provincial authority they should be assisted as well as any other bodies. That, Sir, is the true way to cherish equal rights of all classes, and to respect the true feelings and principles of all classes of the community. The history of our country shows that it is important that the men who take the lead in the legislation of our country should recogpise the equality of rights, and I was much pleased to see th^t my friend Mr. Cainpbell took ^uch a part. (Cheers.) It is our dutv to see that the men who are to be our future pastors, legislators, statesmen, lawt ^ers, physpiiuis, leading merchants and agrieolturalists; ^houiid be imbued with stropg Christian principles, withottt' w ' U ■; ' Mrhicb no country can ever prosper. I have strong hopes of the future which is before Upper Canada. (Cheers.) JBut if I should see a low standard of religious principles, an absence of all religious feeling, I should despair of the grandeur of its intellect or the prosperity of its government. (Cheers.) We should see that our youth be imbued with religious feelings. I rejoice to meet with you on this occasion, and I regard this as an indication that a brighter future awaits our country. I trust also we shall yet see our Grammar Schools placed upon a better footing ana better provided for. (Loud cheering.) DR. LAVELL'S MOTION, Dr. Lavell, — I beg to move '< That the evidence in the University question taken before a committee of the Legisla- tive Assembly last session, and since printed, affords ample evident , of extravagance and waste ot the public funds, and that this meeting use all means in its power to effect a re- form." It will be imprudent as well as presumptuous on my part, to make any remarks after you have listened to what Mr* Campbell has stated. One point should be carefully borne in mind, that up to the presen* moment neither of the political journals in Toronto have come out against this unparalled monopoly. This is one proof that there is something rotten in the system, and the sooner it is uprooted the better. The Resolution was seconded by John Paton, Esq., and carried, with applause. DR. DICKSON'S SPEECH. Dr. Dickson, — At this late hour of the evening, (eleven o'clock,) the patience of the audience being so much taxed, and the subject having been so thoroughly sifted, and the monopoly so thoroughly exposed, and the gross injustice in* flicted on the country made so manifest, I shall merely detain you by making reference to two points that have escaped the notice of the other speakers. For while they attempted to institute a comparison between the sums of monev expended upon University College and Queen's College, and^also a com- parison of the number of students, they haye failed to com* 47 irii tiWe the amount of work done. Instead of being inferioif t4» University College, Queen's College ia affording a more ex- tended education. If we inquire what are the oojecte which lead young men to a University in Canada, we find there are very few here indeed, who have £700 or £1000 to spare, and time to spend in sowing wild oats, "and then make up his mind what his special profession in life may be," as some d6 at the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge, as stated before the Parliamentary Committee by Professor Wilson, but that they may qualify themselves to enter the ranks oi some of the learned professions. University College^ however, has failed to give them pro- fessional traming, because they have abolished the Faculties of Law and Medicine, so that now Queen's College occupies a more noble position. She has all tne Faculties established, and she has a more complete curriculum. We have a com- plete staff of Professors m medicine^ and we confer a degree confirmed by the royal charter, which is better than a degree from the University, becp.use they give a degree for which they have not taught. The second point is with regard to the scholarships, which have beon stated, were thrown open to the country. Although this might appear to be really the case, yet, they have an cn- oumbrapce which has already proved an insuperable objec- tion with some, who telt disposed to compete for them. One of our students at Queen's Uollege, whose name I may men- tion, (Dr. Laidlaw,) passed through Toronto and came to Kingston to study with us. He went to Toronto for the pur- pose of competing for one of the University scholarships. He ■was asked, " where do you intend to procure your De- gree ?" He answered at Queen's College, Kingston* He was then informed he would not be allowed to compete unless he would procure his Degree in the Toronto University. He thought their Degree was not worth so much as a Degree from Queen's College. Why? Because Queen's College gives a Degree only in the departments in which she has a comj)etent staff of Professors to teach. He therefore, spurned the idea of competing under the prescribed conditions. (Cheers.) It is quite evident that this system is a most unjust one to other Universities, and may, in some instances, have the effect of enticing some of their most clever students from II Hi P 4« them, and I'oi'Onto UDiVersity may ibus gain kiirels hi hay' ing enrolled in their list of graduates, persons Iv^ho mat have never heard a lecture within the ivalls of Unitersity College. While th^y derive such enormous sums from the State they fail to fiive such an education as will c[ualify a man for any of the Teamed professions, law, medicine or theology. In Queen's College, we have these departments complete. We have a staff of Professors to teach the student, and t[ualify him for obtaining a degree. tVe not only have a degree in Law, but we qualify the student to take that degree. We have two Professors of Law, and also a Dean of Faculty, who are well known td you as able men in that profession, who de- liver courses of Lectures, so that Queen's College does not confer a paper Degree in a department which she does tot teach, but, one which possesses an intrinsic valtie. We a^e no degree but to those who are able to take h creditaoly. As, however, the evening is so far sptent, I will just merely move the resolution^ " That this meeting memorialise botih Houses Of Parlia- ment, in accordance ivith the resolutions already passed^" (Cheers.) The resolution was seconded by Sheriff Corbett/ and csif- ried, with applause. It was^moved by Hon. John Hamilton, seconded Ijy Win^ Ferguson, Esq., " That the thanks of this meeting bcf given to the Ma^or^ for liis conduct in the Chair, on the occasion, and that the proceedings of the meeting be made public through the press." Carried. Thr business of the meeting was th^s brought to a close/ amid great dhecringi lii li iix 40 . rj4o*AU\ aanr V * k U'l 10 Lti idtl \? ,'l .P rl^^i :■ RESOLUTIONS. Moved bv the Very Rev. Principal Lcitcb, Seoondea by John Fraser, Esq., 1. That it is desirable that the system of higher education established in Upper Oanada, be rendered mere national in its efforts and results than it has hitherto been, and that theso objects can best be attained by means of Collegiate Institu- tions established in different parts of the Province ; and that the apportionment of the University Endowment he made, so as to grant a fair share of public aid to such Colleges. Moved by the Hon. Alexander Campbell, M. Ij. C, Seoondea by Alexander Cowan, Esq., 2. That the University of Toronto, although monopolizing the ample national endowment granted for higher education, has hitherto fiailed to accomplish the object contemplated by its establishment ; that no chartered Colleges have been in- duced to affiliate themselves to it : that its benefits have been restricted chiefly to Toronto ana its neighborhood ; and that the entire expenditure of the national endowment through it and University College, does not reach the people at large, for whose benefit the endowment was intended. Moved by the Rev. President Nelles, Seconded by the Venerable Archdeacon Stuart : . 8. That although the Statute made provision that the Uni- versity of Toronto should be separated from University Col- lege, the two bodies are now practically identical, so that the University does not act as a cneck upon the College : that in any reformatory measure, to maintam a uniform standard of education, and secure the efficiency of the Colleges receiving « share of the endowment, there should be a central Univer- g 60 li'i V I fr! If sity Board, impartially constituted or totally unconneotedl with the affiliated Colleges. Moved by Thomas Kirkpatrick, Esq., Q. C, Seconded by Colonel Cameron : 4. That it appears from the evidence on the University Suestion, that Upper Canada College, which serves as a dammar School to prepare students for University College, Toronto — in short, a loronto Union, Common and^'Q.raiQr mar School, enjoyed during the three yeaia , last jw^Qej^i^g the year 1859, a revenue of twenty-five thousand dollars more than the whole sum received &om the Grammar Scbcol fund by the whole seventy-five Grammar Schools of Ufifler Canada ; and that by the original destination of ihe en* dowment, the city of Kingston has an equal right io la)^ proportion for the maintenance of a first-class Gsamnuur School with a suitable sta^ of teachers* Moved by Dr. Lavell, Seconded by John Paton, Esq., i.^ 5. That the evidence in the University question, taken be- fore a Committee of the Legislative Assembly last Session, tttrd since printed, affords ample evidence of extravaganoe and waste of the public funds, and that this fiieeting use all means in its power to efiEect a reform. Moved by Dr. Dicksoq, Seoonded by Sheriff Corbett, 6. That this Meeting memorialise both Houses of 'PaHia- ment, in accordance with the BesOlutions already passed. Moved by the Hon. John Hamilton, M. L. GL| Seconded by William Ferguson, Esq., 7. That the thanks of the Meeting be;giTen to the']tfayt)r for his conduct in the Chair on the occasion, and that the pro" eeedings of the Meeting be made public through the preM^ If, i W: m •-.u