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CONTENTS: [on. E. Blake, Concluding remarks on the Kiel Question 2 " *' Canadian Pacific Railway 8 }iR Richard Cartwright, Reply to Budget Speech 14 Senator Alexander, Public Affairs Generally 23 [r. Charlton, M.P., The Land Grrabbers , , 27 [r. Paterson, M.P, Record of the Government 48 \lYi. M. C. Cameron, lIl'.P., The Indian Departmental Frauds 50 Mr. McMullen, M.P., Superannuation Abuses 59 Mr. W. McCraney, M.P,, Expenses of Rideau Hall , 63 [r. Somehville, M.P. (Brant), Printing Scandals 65 •'INANCIAL AND STATISTICAL STATEMENT 72 nsdijSLir, 18S6. m Men should Deserve rather than Retain Public Confidence. The following were Mr. BLAKE'S concluding remarks in connection with his Speech on the execution of Louis Biel: " I know the atmosphere of prejudice and passion which surrounds this case ; I know how difficult it will be for years to come to penetrate that dense atmos- phere ; I know how many people of my own race and of my own creed entertain sentiments and feelings hostile to the conclubion to which I have been -driven ; I know that many whom I esteem and in whose judgment I have confidence, after examination of this case, have been unable to reach my own conclusion. I blame no one. Tkch has the right and duty to examine and judge for himself But cries have been raLsed on both sides which are potent, most potent in prevent- ing the public from coming to a just con- clusion ; yet we must not, by any such cries, bo deterred from doing our duty. I have been t^^hreatened more than once by hon. gentlemen opposite during this de- bate with political annihilation in conse- quence of the attitude of the Liberal party which they projected on this ques- tion ; and I so far agree with them as to admit that the vote I am about to give is an inexpedient vote, and that, if poli- tics wore a game, I should be making tt false move. I should be glad to be able to reach a conclusion diiierent from that which is said by hon. gentlemen opposite V) be likely to weaken my influence and imperil my position. But it can be said of none of us, least of all of the humble individual who now addresses yon, that his continued possession of a share of public confidence, of the lead of a party, or of a seat in Parliament, is essential or even highly important to the public interest ; while for all of us what is needful is not that we should retain, but that we should deserve the public con- fidence ; not that we should keep, bat that while we do keep we should honest I7 use, our seats in Parliament. To act otherwise would be to grasp at the shadow and to lose the substance ; prop ter vita/m vivendi perdere causae. We may be wrong — we must l»e true — we should be ready to close, but resolved to keep unstained our public careers. I am unable honestly to difier from the view that it is deeply to be regretted that this execution should have been allowed to take place, and therefore in favor of that view I must record my vote " EXTRACTS FROM THE SPEECH OF ON. EDWARD BLAKE, M. P„ ON THB lanadian Pacific Railway Resolutions, 29th ^r>RIL, 1886. Mr. BLAKE. Mr. Spejiker, I am rry that these proposals should k»ve 11 laid before the Hoase, but I oamiot ,y T ain surprisec!, for I never believed at the loan which the Government in- ted us to oontribtite to the Canadian acidc Railway would be paid in full. I red that their promises, which they e in 1884, would be broken. I sus- ted that preparations were being made r the breaking of them in 1886 ; and y foars of 1884 and my suspicions of 1 885 are realized to-night in 1886. The anadian Pacific Railway Company's Shareholders Have Paid J to that company $29,500,000 for their 5ck. At the recent prices of that stock, ►rices which prevailed within a iiorfc period, though they may t be the prices of the moment, it was ^ORTH IN THE MARKET ABOUT f43,S0O,0OO. That is an advance of [3,000,000 upon th«3 average price which le company themselveb realised for the tock. Thus, for each $100 which the lar.^liolders paid into the company they m get on the market $144 at recent lrioe», and in addition they have received Jery large dividends upon their invest- itait, from the time that investment \» as lade up to the present time. Only two years ago we loaned thu >mpany an enormous sum of money, Innit $80,000,000, the greater proportion which was practically loatted t/icm in order to secure their ovon dividends. That was the purpose of more than half the loan. They were to repay us this moneyj with interest at 5 percent. And now^ We are asked to give up our claim to the repayment of ten millions of this money, to add ten millions to our net d(ibt,to add over8400,000 a year to our interest charge in order to relieve thesa shareholders from the payment of that $400,000 a year, with which they are oneratod. It is proposed in effect to add $400,000 to the proJiUi of tfie shareholders of that coi/ipan>/, and t/te Uucpayers of CaiMda are asked to accoiih^ plish this result. The company in the announcement they made on the recent issue of the balance of t^Je $35,000,000 of their debenture debt, declared that they earned a net profit over the charges of 1100,000 last year. * Now, I should have been glad, could at all {xj.ssibly consiHtently the truth, to find inyself able to acknow- ledge to-night that in the forecists which the Government has made from time to time, when they were inviting this House to enter on the Canadian Pacific Railway policy, in the forecasts they made as to the results of that fiolicy, had )jeen accu- rate and that my own more gloomy views had tu^nec^^out to be incorrect * ♦ * In considering that subject, I wish to point out FIRST of all that the J/«m«* fixed * ♦ if I with BpBWfflfp^' mi"]pnjr- - 7ti ' W.V,ji!VV,v^ ' .^Hi-^y.f I ter$ pledged thtnutehu most ahaohttely to ih»JmalUy of the obHgatimu under the Ctknadiim Pacific Railway contract^ and arrangeroentB which they proposed to us ; SECONDLY, that they proniised ub as the r6gult of the *'itive Canadian Pacific Pail way policy which they pi-opowd in the 8pring of 1880, and enlarged in the winter of 1880-81, enormruB advantages from the rapid construction of the road through the great development by im- migration to the North-West, and the ivr troduciion in great numb&rs from ihs Old World of nno taxpayers into our Worth- Wef^t dominions ; NEXT that they de- clai-ed that the Canadian Pacific Railway policy which they proposed ko us would result in the very rapid sale of the Crown lands ; bo that every cent of our expen- diture in connection with the Canadian Pacifiic Railway, with the itterest, woiild be p*id to ns out of the sales of those lands, and no burden would he impoi'd on the country at all ; NEXT, that they I'oclarod that the railway com- pany would itself build branches all over the North-WeMm-Ai a. view to utilizing its land grant, and that as a resul* of the subsidy in land and money, which we gave in the year 1881, we would secure not merely the construction of the main line, but also the construction, free of cost to us, whether in land or in money, of the branches ai d feeders which were admitted then, as tliey are admitted now, to be absolutely essential to the develop- ment of the North- West; NEXT, that they declared that the raihcay company was going to do the immigration work which otherwise we wotiUl have to do, and 80 that a larju;e saving of expense would be obtained by the Government ; and FURTHER, that the monopoly which they proposed would not affect — could not affect — Manitoba, and would not injuriously affect the other Territories; and LASTLY, that thev would secui-e — and they professed they had secured — arrangements for fm'r rtfav and free com- petition b('tw*'en the aititicui eubtern por- tions of the Dominirm, notably the Prov- ince of Ontaro and the Provinceof Quebec, by the 'conditions which they imposed the Canadian Pacific Railway an to the I rates of freight to the neutral point, Dal- lander,fas between the roads, construotedl or projected in the Province of Ontario I and the Province of Quebec. Now, Sir, [ On all tlMjbe poicts the.forecaBtsI and pi^ges of hon. gentle- men have t been falsified by events. FIRST of all, as to the I FINALITY OF THE BAROAlJT. YoU recollecti that the subventions which we were ask- ed to give in the year 1881, were then I denominated by the Ministry as large, ample liberal, and the hon. gentleman | who now leads the House specially de- clared that they were so of set purpose, { in order to avoid what might otherwise happen — the company coming to us agaiu { Session after Session for further aids. They snid they want at once to make this] final, to get the business ended by giving! large and liberal subventions at first sol that there may be no further demands! upon Parliament. What they said I wanted, was, that the subventions should Ije so pared down that the Government would come to say, we did not give I them enough, and we must give them I more. In 1884, having made in 188l[ these final arrangements, the element ofl finality having been so specially dwelt! upon by the then Minister of Railways (Sir Charles Tupper) by the First Minister,! by the Minister of Public Works, as the great Joy of the occasion, as the thii^; upon which we should congratulate our- selves in 1881, in 188-i, they came to u$\ and asked us to lend %S0, 000,000 to maks \ the final agreement finally final. We were told then that it was a pro-| fi table 5 per cent, "invest ment. If I re- collect aright, the present Minister of tbel Intenor pointed out that there was i-eallyl a gain to be made, that it was a prudeotl investment ; we were bon-owing monfvl at 4 per cent, and were going to ^'»!)tl ii [ to the railway company at S per cent i| * * And 80 we were to lend the money [ necessaxy — a good investment, sure to bel returned with 5 per cent. — to put thel road in a first-class position ; and the ar-| rangmeent wai to he finally fiTial. Wp were also asked dnring the lion, and partly in a prorioua Sowion, engage for abont 912,000,000 more connection with the completion of the irork, in accordance with the enlarged leas — in connection with the aettlemenf fiih British Columbia in the wngt, and in >nneotion with the arrangements for inding an Atlantic port, and, alHO, for the elief of the Province of Quebec from its jntribution towards the extension ito that Province. We were told it all these arrangements were imple for these purposes, and tfut \ruiUy firuil arrang&nurUwas finally final for just one year. For, in the year 1 885, We were asked to add some millions more these eoHtem engagements, becsiuse they were found inadequate. We were ilHO asked to lower the rate of interest jn the loan from 5 per cent, to 4 per cent. The somewhat hard-headed and |cla%-handed views of hon. gentlemen [when they were persuading us to lend (the $30,000,000, had changed in the {course of twelve short months, and it was thought rather a mean tning to tusk the railway company for 6 per cent. They forgot that it was they who were I mean, for it was they who had made the bargain. * * We were also asked at that time, in 1885, to enlarge the borrowing powers of I the company to a considerable extent. We were told that further demands were made upon the company's rerfources, with the view of making the complete eqiiipment, and the admirable road, more complete and more admirable still ^ and a sum of $15,000,000 more was wanted. We re-adjusted the security system of the company, with the view of enabling it to get from the public $15,000,0( more money, which it did get, in order that its equipment might be made ample, and its construction periect. We were also then asked to impair our securities on which the interest had been lowered to 4 per cent — to impair them as to the, bnlk and as to the 110,000,000, roundly speakii g, which it ifl now prr>poaed to a^JuBt by theM reeolutiona. So that ovb PoaiTioir WAS THAT THl AttRAJfOlMSXT WHIGB WAS FINAL IN THB YIAB 1681, AND WHICH WAS MADE riNALLT FINAL IN THB YBAR 1884, WAS PBOFOSED TO BB ^ALTERBD AQAIN IN ORDER THAT IT MIOHT BB MADE FINALLY FINALLY FINAL IN THE YEAR 1885 IN THOSE VARIOUS MATTERS. But there was one thing, Sir, that we were not asked to do ; we were not asked to buy bttok our oum land 'jrant in order to fupply «| done, partly by the company, partly byl the GQvemmont, and in a still muchl shorter time, taken as whole, than wasi propostnl in the early part of 1880.1 They declared thati/w altered policy, with I the stimulus to be produced by the morcf rapid execution of the work, aud by thel great efi^orta and expenditure of the com • pany, which they were to make in thel immigration field, ■teoulJ. hare t/ui effect o/j largelij accelerating the xHtlemeiU of thA North- U'^eM beyond thfir former exj>ecta tions; that it would tend furtlier to bright- ea the pro8pele inflation, the unfortunate I results which have happened, and so forth: but they did all they cotdd to product; it A and they are mainly responsible for itA production and for the disaatroua reeuli^ which have ^/lowed from it. Tlieygave] official figures of these alleged vc suits of theirs. The official returns of I the actual immigmtion tb the North- 1 West, carrying on the official fig- ures from the year 1879, which 1 gave awhile ago, would give, for th« immigration to that countiy, up to the] ' ir 1 nn, 237,000 Mub, to whioh, if you idd 13,000 for natural inpraaM, you will jet a total of 260,<)00 M UuMe who ought [to be in the territory in the year 1885, I Ways excluding the Indians. Now, I im not speaking —it iji as well it should Jbe understood —of the estimates of the liion. Minister now the Minister of Bail- Iwiiys. We know what his estimatMB j-werfi. Why, 1 recollect one time when jhe told UH — I forget the iigures exactly, Ihui something eciuivtilent to about twice [the whole immigration which has taken I place from foreign parts, apart from the Iriiih immigration. a00 &0UL8 IN THE NoRTU-WeST IN THE Wear 1885. These otiicial i-etums gave 118 for the year 1881, in round numbers, 22,000 ; for 1882, 50,800; for year 1888, 42,800 ; and for 1884, 24,400— or a total ■of 148,000 immigrant settlers into that j country in four consecutive years, more than every white soul that tiiere iw to-day, I do not believe that there are many more than 12.>,000 whites in Manitoba and the North-West Territories at this time, only about two out of five of the le- sults oi the First Minister's statement of what ought to be there, only about one out of two of the Minister's statements of those who actually did settle there. * * We were abused for suggesting that these ee- tim>ites and these ofiicial returns did not irepresent, in the first case the probability, in the second case the actual fact We ■^oere told that v}i wire decrying tJte coun- try ; we were told that we were undereati- tncUing the proapecls ar^d the reauUa, in ordw to produce wil ^ecti ; btU to-day you find tki mhtitiiofik ulUgtthtt ehmngtd: to^y joa find tlie wiMifMU oi^gan of the (iovernment diaooMttng this rwf qntlaon ill very diff«r«iit laOguatfe. Iri the Mdtil newapaper of the fiik of this niooth is aa artiole upon the North* West, from whidi I quote an extract or two : " We have repeated boom estimatas and quoted boomater's figures" — Who made the boom estimates, and whoee were the Itoomster's figures t What the Toriee Say Now. "VVe have repeated boom estimates and quoted buom^^ten' figures about evurythiug until we hafe created in our minds the vis- ion of a region which does not exi«* any- where ou earth ; and now that it ban been Hhattered by the proaaic revelations of the census, we are weak enough to fuel sorry at being undeceived." * * * The Oountry was asked to embark on a scheme of rapid construction and enonuouH expenditure, with the promise of immediate and tangible results of the most valuable character, events have already shown hotu fahe toare the predic- tions and how untruHt'torthy tJie guides who led tJtA country into this enterprise after this fashion. Now, then let me take the next point : it is the promise that our lands would be settled fast, and that out of them every cent of our Canadian Pacific Railway obligations and interest would be met. * In 1880 the First Minister used these words : " For the purpose of relieving the people of Canada from the burden of taxation, whicd the work would otherwise entail, we have offered every second lot at an upset Erice so that the road may be eventuallv uilt without costing the people one single farthing which will not be recouped. • ♦ •• without adding to the burdens of the people or without causing any necessity for an in- crease of taxation. * * Again he says : " As the road progresses, the annual sale of lands wiU be more than sufficient to meet kll poaeible coat of the railway." Ni \i ▲gain 'The (MNMMda of th« mU of tko kadi will aoot our n gmn ntnU m t&t work pragtoHM, iaohidiwg oliaau for i&toroit.*' The hon. membor for OardwoU, (Mr. White), in an amcndmont to the motion of the hon. member for North Norfolk (Mr. Charlton), .in the mme Semion, moTod, and the Honm reeolved, at his instanoe : "That vhe polioj of the OoTemment for the diiposal of the public laod in Manitoba aod the North-Weit, is well calculated to pro. mote the rapid tettlementof that region, and to raise the moDeyi required for the con- ■truction of the Canadian Pacific Railway without further burdening the people, and that it deserree the rapport and approval of this House." Well, Sir, in the same Session the First Minister declared that we would sell, from 1880 to 1885 inclusive, 28,000 pre- emptions, and for the year 1885, 6,250 ; that we would make other sales, from 1880 to 1886, 14,000 in number, and in the year 1885, 3,125 in number. The results have been : Pre-emptions from 1880 to 1885, 15.275, of which I am afraid a great many will be cancelled or abandoned, instead of 28,000 ; and for the year 1885, 663 instead of 6,250. There were sales from 1880 to 1885, 9,634, in- stead of 14,000 ; and for the year 1885, 785 instead of 3,125. He estimated in the years 1885 to 1889, 40,625 pre-emp- tions and 20,313 sales. What are the Qstimates to-day, I wonder? We have Settled jtut 138 fi/)rnesteader$ up to the 3Ut December, on 400 miles of the forty-eight mile belt of the Canadian Pacifie Railway. In the same year, 1880, the First Min- ister estimated the cash proceeds of the lands actually to be received from that year to 1890 inclusive, at $88,600,000. The amount which was to be then due but not payable^ but still a mortgage on the lands, and as good as cash, bearing interest, was to be $32,700,000, or an aggregate of received and due of $71,- 300,000. He estimated the cost of anr vey and the administration of those lands at $2,400,000, and he brought down a hamdnome balance of net reauits of $68 1- 900fi00 before the year 1890. * * I deoki«d th«n that] calculations were wholly viai- onavy, and I begged the House not to | enter into large engagements ap<»i sooh calottlations. A few monius later oame the bargain with the Canadian Pacifio Railway and the Oovemmont then promited that the take of land tootUd recoup all our eivpenditure, and they per- suaded the House and the country to agree to the bargain upon that specifio pledge Well, Sir, we then declared that that pledge would bo broken ; we declared that the country would not be recouped otU o/ thote lands for the money which it wa^ expending, and was called upon to expend. You have, ,to day, the statement of tht^ Finance Minister, from which you cait judge whether our fortcaate or thoee of gentlemen opposite were the more correct * The delusions upon which hon. gentlemen opposite invited the House and the country to agree to their policy were kept up by them for years ♦ On 10th February, 1882, The First Minister made this statement : "We have ngt forgotton the promise madi by the Government thai they would maki, the land in that country recoup to the Domin'ion the 925, 000,000 tiuit we have promiied the Syndicate, and vhat the Dominion hat already tpejit, or w qmiding, on the Canadiau Pacific Railway. There is no reason in ihe world, as 1 have urged again and again, why the people of the older Provinc**** should put their bands in their pockets and settle tliat country and impruve it, and build railway.s at their expense. That country, which i^ going to reap the advantage of those railwayti snouid provide the cost of the improvements, and the North- West, I am happy to say, is so rich, and will be so sought for, that what; was a reasonable proposition at the beginning is now a certainty, namely, that it will be able to sell sufficient land, that while pre - serving the homesteading right, it wo tola be able to repay to those who mive contributed to the taxes necesscry in connection with building the road the mouey with interest added," * , # ♦ There I have the statement of the hon. gentleman that it was upcta the prcuautM^j U 9 msde this that we were to be recouped in cnah out uf the landB thut Pnrliauient, and after- wards the peoril).>, acoepted the bargain and trndonied tho policy — ou that pro* niise and on that promise only. "Who is bold enough to declare now that that promise has not been broken ? That policy which the ju'oplft they oonfeaH (•ndorH<^ on the understanding that ovprtually the country would pay the wholti of the expt-ns*> ( AgHin : On April 27th, iHKii, tJie Kirwt Minis- ter said : "It is safe, it is certain beyoud the possi- bility of doubt to say that every farthingand every cent and every dollar that has been or will be expended in building the Canadian Pacific Railway, not one (shilling (tf this burden will fall ou our shoultlers, or the generation that will succeed us. We will be free from tho whole amount of that debt." Again : " ^TW.OOo wa'i paid in in one day from the recent sales -this is a very sub^itantial com* menceracnt of the fund which is to pay off the $2rj,(MHVHM>. It will l>e put to the credit of the fund and invented at interest for the J)ur])ose of paying ufl' the whole of this !2.V)rtO,tHX>." * » • • Ajraiii : " By thu year then there will be 10) ,000,000 acres grauttd to colonization companies iinder plan iN'o. 1, which means the eventual pay- iiioiit uf Slu,(K)(>,(KX> into the Treasury." Aiid again : " That will be $10,iKX),00(», and with the j frales that will take place of railway lands in other portions, wewill have, either iu money, or in what Is as good &•? money, solid mortga- | j^es on every one of these colonization tracts an amount'equal to ^12,500,000 ; so that in one year we mav fairly say we have got half of the whole', $25,000,000." Where is it now ] Then on r2th April, 1882, Sir Charles Tupijer said : The lands have increased in value as to warrant us in the statement, and to war- rant the conviction .in the mind of every intelligent man, that at an early date we will not only have the $25,000,000 recouped to the Treasury, but we will go on ; and if we havt not wiped out oar otb«r reipontibil* itiet we will sooii be iu a oondition to wipe out the engagementA thrown upon us by the late QoTerament, as well as those incurred by our own in reference to the work." I think I have shown tho House what the situation was in IH82. Let me now come to 1883. In that year Sir Charles Tapper deolaied that our secured receipts from transactions already effected in the (hreo previous years, 1H8(>, '81 and '82, would be by 188r)atrifleover$lO,000,000, apart from all now tmnsaotionA such as I railway grants and further sales ; they were actual receipts to cou»e iu by the year 1885 from tho transuctiona already aQComplished in 1880-81-82. * ' The hon. gentlemun declared to the House and the ))eople that those enormous sums would be realized, and would go to a re- duction of the principal, and that the interest would bo paid also. Which has TURNED 01 T coKKEcT ? W^hat are the actvut of the lands of the Morch-Weet for these years during which hon. gen- tloinen declared go large a sum would bo realised as to recoup us pro tanto for the ex|)enditure on the Canadian Pacific Railway. And this is not an in- creasing ratio ; it included the boom, the speculative period, the period in which they sold in a day to speculators large quantities of land, in which they realised from colonization companies a consider- able sum, the colonization bubble, the speculative bubble, the town site bubble. Of latg years there has been a positive loss, and you can judge that from a statement of the annual receipts. In 1880 the gross receipts were $155,000; in 1881, $164,000 ; in 1882, $1,727,(»00; in 1883, #928,000 ; in 1884, i$788,000 ; and in 1885, $288,000; so that our over expenditure last year was over $223,000, apart from the cost of the land part of the Interior Department, which would show, if you added it, a to- tal deficit of about $300,000 for that year. * * * In 1883 the late Minister of Finance estimated our cash receipts from land in the North-Wesi for 1884, in round numbers, at $2,250,000; in 1 885, $2,000,- 000 ; in 188<>, $2,000,000 ; total $6,250,- 000, for those three years. We have ac- tually received in gross for 1884, $788,- 000; for 1885, $281S,000, or for those two years, $1,076,000, ♦ * In 1883 the Minister of llail- wavs estimated as the Q€U3h results of Oclonization Companies fcr four years, $2,562,000. The actual results were for the first of these years, $248,500; for 1884, $223,700; for 1886, $1,200, making a total of $503,400 for three out of those four years. I do not believe that the year 1886 will materially in- crease the receipts, and the result ' ther$' for9 will be about on«- fifth of the hon. gentle- t^where, and that relief has been sought It great expense by that Province by IHK FROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OP HUDSON • w KAiLW. Y. The success of the under- k'lig is said to be doubtful; but its |iic(»'.sH, though desired as a relief from jouopoly, would damage eastern oonnect- ans, and turn another way the course of [lade, so tliat many of the predictions \on. gentlemen have made as to the re- lults that would flow to Canada jiom the construction of the facifio Railway would not follow. Hsen, you find another evidence of the Inxiety lo obtain relief from monopoly in )i'> levival of the red rive r boats. They 1,1 ve been revived during the last year (irder to provide another outlet to the uth. Then, you tind the feeling of JueVANCE OF BEING LOCKED IN all along i Ime, Then, there is tfie other griev- n c, which I have pointed out before, aa fair proportionaU mileage rcU«$ to hce^ in Ontario, as compared with those to plat^ in Quebec. We do not find that that has been accomplished. A re- solution was passed by the Canadian Pacific Railway Company in fulfilment of the pledges given to Parliament. That re- solution seemed to be based on what were fair founds, that each local- ity would get under it a just charge, but we do not tind that any security had been taken or any anange- ment made from which these results are to flow. If I am rightly informed, it has been hinted that the policy of t/te Cana- dian Pacific liailway Company aa to its through traffic with the North- West is to make one rate for all pcints for Ontario and Montreal, so t/uit whether it is far- ther or nearer Callande'-, the same price is to ht; paid. I say the chaige ought to have regard for the Jieuti-al point to which freight is carried. * * GENERAL REVIEW. * * The policy of boom, thcpolicy of expe.nditure, the poli'^y of unprecedented rapid construction, has not [)roduced those tangibk; resultsi that were jiromised to us. It has been accompanied by a great increase of cost to this country without tlie return it wj4.v pledged to us would take place from th3 sales of lands, without the j»rospect of tiiat return, an«l without those ( her advantages it was said would ilow from it. We have paid for the Cinadian Pacilic Railway, inchiding wurveys and the Can- ada Central subsidy, abov.c i|()0,000,000 ; the company has realized from our lands, sites and bonuses about .$1,000,000 ; we are about to givo them fcr land merely, over .$10,000,000 ; thus their re- ceipts from public resources foot up to about $81,000,000, apart from 14,750,000 acres of land which are to remain with the com- pany, and $12,000,000 or $14,000,000 engaged in extension schemes. Besides these, the company has bor- rowed from the public, on debentures, #35,000,0{)0, making a total in cash and works of !H16,000,000 which the com- pany has received without touching |^ f 12 dollar of <^pital stock. Then there is the iHsue of capital stock to the amount of $05,000,000, for which the company received $29,500,000, making a total re- ceivfd of $1 15,500,000, which has been expended in some way, and the company is now asking to borrow something ap- pfoxinwting to $29,000,000 more, be- cause the borrowing power is to be $2 an acre on its remaining land grant, although out of that are to be paid tliose land grant l^onds which are outstanding. HOW MICH MOKK IS TO BK EXPENDED WE KNOW NOT. * * Where has all this Money gone ? An enormous sum has gone to divi- dend ; large sums have gone in needless, reckless, hasty and prenjature construc- tion. To dividends has gone, paid and secur- ed, about $21,000,000. * ' Under these circumstances, we find the Grovernni(>ut coming down to-day, with all their prowises as to the results of their land grant policy, alj their promises as to the result of their innnigration policy and their railway construction policy, falsified hy events, untfi an, empty exchequer, hav- ing ahiiibhned tli prot^fiect of recouping the people for the. expenditure on the Can- adian Pacijic Railvmi out of the North' We/n. The hon. gentleman sa^'s it is different from former ])ropositions and need not involve a great deal of discussion. True, we wen- told every cent of the loan would be repaid, and now we are aslced to compromise l»y accepting G6») cents cash and our own land for the balance : but still the lion, gentleman Bays the j>roposition vi an advantageous one. * * It is advantageous ; But the advantage is to the share- hold ers of the Canadian Pacific Railway, \»ecaTise you substitute for the charge ujion them and their enterprise of $400,- 000 -A year interest and the ultimate pay- ment of $10,000,000, the re-transfer to the country of the claim of the Canadian Pacific Railway to some 6,000,000 or 7,000,000 acres of land. The hon. gentle- man cannot sell hia landjtcst now, and he cannot give it away, he has he^en able to put no more than ld8 homesteaders on 400 miles of the forty-eight mile belt of the Canadian "Pacific Railway up to the .'Hst December last, and as he cannot sell the millions of acres and camwi give the land away, he must engage in some land operation, so he buys land back at $1.50 an acre, and says : ~ clearly ii\ the interests of that we need not debate it." '♦This is so the country, No ; the shareholders want a larger share of profits ; they want the $400,000 a year which otherwise they would have to pay, and the capital of which would have to be paid some day or other by them. * * I said I suspected this was contem- [)lated. The method which hon. gentle- men have pursued gave ground for sus- picion. When they wanted to pereuade us to lend tht Canadian Pacific Railway I Company $20,000,000, they offered us, I they said, undoubted security for the ; interest at 5 per cent. They got I the money on those terms and then asked us to reduced the rate to 4 per cent. T do not intend to enter upon some of the details upon which the hon. gentle- man said he would give explanations in the committee. It seems to me that tttr PR0r')SAL, in the condition of . lamls of the North- West, in the condi- tion which is proclaimed of this com- pany, that tht; people of Canada should retake six or seven millions of acres of this land of theirs at this price, and incur this increase in our net debt and this in- crease in our annual charge, IS ONE THAT OUGHT NOT TO COMMEND ITSELF TO THE HOUSE OR TO THE PEOPLE. There is one other topic not imme- diately connected with the other topics con- tained in these resolutions, though flow- ing, I judge, in the Minister's opinion, ^'Xj 13 (roMthem, to which I wish to address ayself for a moment or two before I sit lown. I refer to the iRemoval of the shareholders' dis- qualification for seats in Parliament. iDces the hon. gentleman think the lareholders of the Canadian Pacific |Eailway Company are not powerful enough in this House as it is 1 Does he Ithink it absolutely necessary to give jthem the additional power which would involved in the members of this I House being shareholders in this com- jpany 1 This has also been pressed for some ime past upon the Government by the [company. This company is going for laome years to come to have questions be- tween it and the country for 8eUlmnint,que8- Xtions connected with its tariff, very impor- Uant qicestions connected toith its capital J account ^qitestions connected with the mono- \poly policy, questions connected with the \«octen8ion policy, questions connected with I the grants ofvari&us kinds, and all titese [questions have to be settled, I hope, upon (just and equitable terms between the j country and the railway compiuay ; but they are not questions a just or «qmtable adjustment of which toill he facilitated or furthered by making this a Far- liam&nt of Canadian Pacific RaU- way shareholders. I do not believe that this is at oil a time to relax the stringency of the laws regulating the in- dependence of Parliament. If any change were proper to be made in those safe- guards, it would )je one to increase them very largely. Our institutions iii this regard are very much upon their trial; AND FOR >!¥ PART I SHALL NoT RECORD A \OTE TO DIMINISH INANYDEGEEE THE PRESENT SECURITIES FOR THE INDEPEN- DENCE OF PARLIAMENr BY A- GR BEING THAT THE SHAREHOL- DERS IN THIS GREAT CORPORA- TION, WHO WILL FOR MANY YEARS HAVE SO MUCH TO DO OF AN IMPORTANT AND VITAL CHARACTER WITH THE GOV- ERNMENT AND THE PEOPLE OF CANADA, SHALL SIT IN PARLIA- MENT AND VOTE UPON MATTERS IN WHICH THEY ARE SO MUCH CONCERNED. ■sKiMnaoB m EXTRACTS FROM THE SPEECH pP Sir Richard Cart^wrigh OS THE B tJ ID C3- E T, MARCH SOih, 1886. Sir RICHARD OARTWRIGHT, who was received witli cheers, said : Sir, had any gentleman told me nineteen years ago, much more, two or three and twenty yeai-s ago, when we were first dis- cussing this project, that in the nineteenth year of our Confederation the debt of Canada would be very nearly three times as much j>er head as the debt of the people -of the trnited States is to-day ; had any- botly told me that the necessary taxation of Canada would bo 50 per cent, greater tlirfin the necessary taxation of United States ; that in 1886, in the nineteenth -year of our Confederation, our total volume of trade would be $24,000,000 less than it was thirteen years ago, in 1873 ; that after having had possession of the North-West for fifteen years, after h.&y\x\^ expended 1100,000,000, or there- abouts, of tlie public funds, and a very large amount — how much I am un- able to state — but probably !$ 10,- 000,000 or $50,000,000 of the pri- vate means of the people of Canada, in endeavoring to develop and settle that coiiutrv, we should to-day (on the evidence! of the ""'^sus, returns placed in our hands by h utlemen ojiposite) after that huge .^/cnditure and after the lapse of fifteen years, we should scarce boast, from the Pacific Ocean to tlie confines of On- tario, of a poor 200,000 settlers there ; had anybody told me that starting with the advantages w© haj, after ninetoeii years, and after Importing at great cost to the people of this country, some, 900,.| 000 immigrants, as our records allege — I whether truly or falsely — the total white! population of Canada would, at the ex[ piration of those nineteen years, be scarce-l ly 1,000,000 more than it was in 1867, ll must confess I should have felt tempted I to entreat that person very harshly— almost as harshly as some hon. gentle-l men have occasionally felt disposed toj treat me, not for venturing on predictions,! but for calling attention to certain facts! as they actually existed. Sir, had any- 1 body made such a statement then, I would [ have pointed to the increase of Canad? I in the twenty years which elapsed before I Confederation. I would have pointed tol the increase of the United States in the I first twenty years of their existence, from I 1790 to 1810, when tbey, certainly umhsrl greater difficulties than we haA'e had tol contend with, made far greater progressl than has vmfortimately fallen to our lot. I 1 would also have pointed to the progress! of our sister colonies in other parts of Hcrj Majesty's dominions, and I should have! asked what reason then; was to suj)poKol that Canadians would have fled from theitl countrj' Hb if it were stricken with a pes-l tilence, or to suppose that our peoplt"! would have displayed so little prudence! and so little energy as to permit such a| state of atfairs to exist. * '' * You wiill find only too good reason to think that inj y 10 a great deal of thi» expenditare there has been Much Waste, Much Extrava- gance, and I fear in some cases down-right posi- tive corruption of ii very grave character. What we have to consider to-night are really the con8equence8,not so much of these pet- ty misdoings as of certain grave and long continued errors of policy. We have had to contend with errors in our fiscal policy, errors political and errors administrative; but although they have been of various sorts they all, I think, may be fairly traced to one source, and that is the de- ttrmination on the part of the hon. gen- tlemen opposite, at any cost, and at all hazards, without the slightest reference to the effects of their conduct on the fukuie of this country, to noaintain them- selves Hnd their friends in place and power. Now, Sir, I "ond all doubt, the wan who is cb" responsible is the Prime Minister, ^.id chielly responsible on this ground : That, perliaps, alone of all his present Cabinet he sees clearly •And understands wliat are likely to be the cousequenoes of the |tolicy he has adopted. As for hi.s colleagues, or, perhaps,! should more titly call them his subordinates, for (;olleaguefi in the proper sense, that lion, gentleman for a long time has had none — as for the ' hon. gentle- man's colU'agui's — for 1 will not quarrel about a word to-night — as for those gi-ntlenion, Sir, 1 think some leniency might brf shown. Reviewing their conduct, I ha^ e como to the cuiiclu- oiou tlmt a consiilerable proportion of them, at any rate, might be fairly de- scribed as having become moially and politically color blind. * * * Now, Sir, concealment, of i our actual position lias iKicome impossibl'', and we must co/isider what the facts are as revealed to us in thu Public Accounts. It is impossible, even for the Ministry or their 8up[)orters to deny that last year they bad a deHoit of at lea.st $2, •2-10,000. As the Minister candidly admitted about .*1,000,- 000 furth«r was borrowed from 1880, making the real deficit last year in reality $3,240,000. But what he did not tell vm was that in the capital account on the Intetvolonial Railway at least $387,000 were charged for items which have no business or place in capital account. * * ♦ If he chose to take to his credit $893,000 on account of Dominion lands,he should in all faimf ss have added $303,000 "^Mch you will find charged to capital account for expenditure on those identical Dom< inion lands. 'Now, Sir, in j)oint of fact, but for the expedient of borrowing from the i-evenue of the present year, the actual deficit ioT last year would have amounted to no less than $3,900,000 ; and even giving him credit tor the $1,700,000 which was expended in the North-West, there would still remain a deficit of $2,200,000 to be charged against last year. With respect to The Deficit for the Present Year, on the Isit March, we had a deficit of $4,716,000. The hon. gentleman tells us that since that time a very large amount ol' money, some $3,800,000, as I understood him, has been paid *by anticipation of. the revenue. Well, Sir, the hon. gentleman and the House know quite well that if you choose to anticipate by many millions the revenues which ar>> likely to accrue in the mcceeding three or four months, the result will not be to permanently help the revenue of this year, unle8,s, indeed, we perforin — by \\ay, I supjioso, of paying 18Sfi for what was lost for thf^ benefit of 1885 — the still fiirthei' act of robbing the revenue of 1887 for the benelit of the revenue of li^8G. T am not disposed to quarrel much with the estimate the hon. gentleman has made ot the expenditure for ISSO, and which he put in all, if I took it (lojvii corr.jctly, at :j>.'j8,.jOO,000. But, Sir, I am dis[)osed to enter a very sti'ong protest, indeed, against the absurd and unbusinesslike idea of charging !^.3,500,000 of thai expenditure to capital account. Whal-. does that $.'^,.500,000 represent '? I liad always .suppo.sed that every item in capita,l account, was 16 1' BuppoHed to represent some actual value — that at least we had a canal or a railway or something of that kind to show for it. Where have these $3,500,- 000 gone 1 Sir, they have all Been blown into gunpowder smoke, rendered necessary by the extreme Biisinanageinent of hon. (gentle- men op|.)oeite in dealing with the affairs of the North-West ; and it is utterly improper and absurd to put such an item, as the cost of suppressing the re- bellion, into the capital account of the Dominion of Canada. So, Sir, instead of admitting, as the hon. gentleman would desire us, that ho is justified in saying that he will close this year's ac- count with a deficit of $1,400,000 we find that we shall close the year 188G Mrith a true, genuine deficit of $4,900,- 000, if not more, according to the ttate- ment of the hon. Minister himself. He would not, indeed, tell us what he expected the Franchise Bill would cost, nor did I observe that he told us at all what would be the expense inflicted on this Dominion as the fruit of that great constitutional measure known — [ l>egthe hon. gentleman's pardon for naming him — as the McCarthy Act, as to which I fear, unless the information which has reached me is tfitirely erroneous, a sum of $300,000 or Thereabouts will represent what the country will have to pay for the constitutional opinion of the First Minis- ter endoi*sed by that of the hon. member for Simcoe. =; * * The Gross amount of Oana.dian indebtedness reaches $281,000,000, that there was in addition many million dollars of liabilities \inder the gaise of railway subsidies and ©tber claims incurred but not accrued, I think the House will see ihat there is a great deal in our present condition which calls for our most serious consideration. * * * I desire to call attention to the enor- mous proi>ortion which the fixed charges that we cannot possibly avoid now bear to the total income of Canada. We find, that for interest and subsidiw alone, we are called \i\yon to pay $1 5,400, I 000 a year ; we find that the Custom and Excise charges amount to $1,125,000; Indian grants reach no less a sum than $1,100,U0(». Thost ofiio^' ac4.;ounb I now involved an annual deficitof.f 1,000,- 1 000. ♦ '•• ■ Out ofanestimated revenue of some $27,200,000, probably $19,000,000 will have to be expended on charges like tliese before we will receive any money for the ordinary expenses of this country. And those honorable genilcmeu who recollect 0»€ boastful promises with which this National Policy was ushered in, those wlio recollect the still more ab- surd predictions which were indulged in as to what it would accomplish, will Know as well as 1 do how little dependence is to be placed on any of the calculatiouc which hon. gentlemen submit to the House on these occasijns. Whether we remember the declaration that we might expect, before the next four or tivo years, the sum of $58,000,000 from the sales of lands in the North- West, or whe^thtr we recollect the Declaration with which every hustings re-echoed in 1882, that when the people of Canada once confirmed the Na- tional Policy, hundreds of millions of foreign capital would ru^h in for the erection of manufactoiies through- out the length and brendth of this Do- minion ; whether we recollect the state- ment given on the highest authority that the Crooks Act was not worth the paper it was written on; whether we remember the declaration of the Minister of Public Works, that he and his colleagues had traversed the North - West from end to end six months before the rel)ellion, without being able to dis- cover one single person with a grievance; or whether we remember the statement of the Minister of Finance that ten years of assured and certain prosperity awaited this happy people— whether we take their declatations, in one shape or the other, 1 think we will say there is some ground 17 li, will know for hesitating to put implicit credence in any of the calculations that may l>e sub- mitted to us to-night. But three yciirs have elapsed dnce the then Minister of Finance (Sir Lt^onai'd Tilley) standing here, exulted and exulted with some ap- parent reason, in the fact that Canada was possessed of a surplus of $7,000,000. To day the Finance Minister (Mr. lIcLelan),if he chooses to state the ques- tion fairly and honestly, is obliged to ad- mit, on hia own showing, a deficit of near- ly $5,000,000. ♦ * * If my calculations be correct, and if he requires to raise, as I fear he will, a sum of 835,- 000,000 for the service of 1886-87, there will etill be a very considei-able deficit to be supplied for which his recent taxes will hiirdly make provision. * * * Tlie hen. gentleman poii oed to the increase of the saN-ings banks deposits, and said that was a proof of great prosperity. Post Office Savings Bank Deposits. Sir, I say that it is not a proof of great prosperity, but it proves that people are afraid to invest ; it is a proof that people are afraid to buy, aie afraid to build, are afraid to start new underlak: vga. * *= ♦ From the returns recently laid on the Table of this House that in the case of the post office savings bank there were in June, 1884, $13,179,000 on d^^wsit. Now, it is quite true there were a very laige number of depositors, numbering some 66,000, and as the hon. gentleman eon- tended, if you divide .$13,000,000 by (56,000, the average is a very small one. But that conceals a very transparent fal- lacy. When you come to analyze those returns, you find that $2,78i),000 of that amount was held by 2,476 persons who had an averaj.'e of $1,112 apiece; that ^3,119,000 was held by 5,000 peraons, with an average of $700 apiece, and that $8,200,000 was held by persons with an average of $400 and upwards apiece ; so that of these $13,000,000, $9,300,000, in average Hmounta of .$650 was held by one-fourth or rather less, of the whole depositors. And in the saioe way in the Government savings banks; out of $16,000,000, $9,000,000 were held by 4,000 people, ia sums of $2,100 and upwards, and $2,- 900,000 in sums of $700, and $1,600,- 000 in sums of $400 and upwards. The result of all that is plain and clear. The Go veniment of Canada has been charged 30 per cent, more than the current rates, for the benefit of persons who have no claim in an y shape or way tp have the i-est ot the community taxed for their exclusive benefit I am willing enough to concede to the Ministers the propriety, if they like,jOf granting to those who hold small snms of money, let us say below $300, the privilege of depositing in the Govern- ment savings bank and receiving interest at 4 per cent. But of this groBS amount of $80,000,000 it is quite clear that not 20 per cent, is held Vjy such {lersons. The vast bulk is held in sums largely in excess of $400 apiece by a class of the community not in auy way entitled to expect that the rest of the country should be taxed to enable them to obtain a of interest. high rate That the result of the New Tariff has been lai'gely to increase the cost of manufacturing, that it has diminishes! the number of the manufacturers' vay effect an ordinary poor man. Then their Custom tax amounts to£19,700,000, and their Excise to £27,000,000 tiiat class of taxation amounting in all to about oe*6,G00,000 which is the taxa- tion which the poor man may be said to bear. If hon. gentleman will divide that by 36,000,000, they will see that the total Customs and Excise of England amounts to exactly $0.24 pei' h^ad, while the total Customs and Excise of Canada, computing the population at 4,500,000 white people, will amount, according to the Minister's statement, to $27,500,000, giving a result of $6.10; so that the total per capita taxation which can witli any propriety be said to be paid by any ordinary wage-earner in Canada is almost precisely equal to that which is paid in England. * * * Then we will Take the Oaae of the United States, to which also the Minister of Finance re- ferred. Now here alone in one re-spect is the burden equal, because, as he fairly enough showed, the protective system of the United States is even heavier than ours ; but, in the United States, at this present moment, all the people of that country require to raise by taxation is bare- ly 1230,000,000. Their total expenditure, apart from the sum they applietl to the reduction of debt, was $260,000,000, of which about $30,000,000 was received froiii'' miscellaneous sources, similar to those which figure in the same manner in our accounts ; so that all they require to mise is $230,000,000, to be collected from a population 57,000,000 odd. The result of that is, that whereas we require to raise by taxes 827,500,000, lieing at the i-ftte of a little over $6 for every man, woman tvnd child in Canada, all the people in the United States require to raise is $4 ))er head ; so that the Btale- ment which I made while ago tliat the ne- cessary taxation of Canada is 50 per cent more than that of the TVnited States is simply and literally aoourate ; and 1 might add that a very much Uxger ]>orcentage of ch(' taxation of the United States is raised by internal taxes of the nature of Excise on spirits and tobacco than with us ; so that all the Americans require to raise by Customs duties is barely $118,000,000, being at the rate of a very little more than $2 per head, ad against $4.50 at least which we require to raise under our present system. * * Now, Sir, I have to say that our first duty, under the circumstance, is to do what l^e can to educate the people of Canada to a clear comprehension of the situation. I do not expect, Sir, any very great improve- ment until the members of the Cabinet, and the members of this House, are also taught to understand that they are triu»- teea of the people, and not entitled to make profits out of the pro])erty of their wards. Moreover, we have got to realize the insane foUy we have been committing in piling up tlm mountainous debt with- out having anything whatever to show for the expenditure, except a perfectly unproductive property, or woi-se than un- productive pro{)erty, as appears to be the case in some of those enterprises in wMch we have invested a gi'oat many millions of dollars. Nof*'^, the hon. Minister inti- mated to us that they were not going to do this thing any more. He tcdked of retrenchment ; he talked of paying off our debt; he talked of our having eni-' gaged in a triumphant war against natui^ —and he might have added against coiii-. mon sense ; and he talked of our ndif emerging in any worse condition thsA^ the Americans emerged from their gre^t civil war. Sir, I say that those hon."* gentlemen cannot do it. Those hon. geif- ^tr tm 20 c- tlemen are caught in their own precedents. Every unwise grant, every unwise piece of legislation, that haa been uoooeded, is of necessity the parent of roany more. You cannot escape the result of your own acts. Even if a miracle were to be wrought in your beliulf, even if the mem- bers of this Cabinet were to cease To hunger for Timber Limits, or railway subsidies for the bcLoiib of railways in whicli they are large proi)rie- tora ; if all these wondei fUl things were to occur, Jind if their supporters were to cease to be applicants for timber limits, coal areas, ranches, shares in colonization companies and railway subsidies for the benefit of themselves or their constituents — if all these things were to occur. What has been the action of the past three years ? In 1883 we granted sub- sidies to 11 different mil ways, involving appropriations of $2,250,000. * * ''' Jn 1884, we granted subsidies to twenty- six different railways, involving appro- priations to the extent of $8,000,- 000. In 1885 we granted subsidies to nineteen other railways, involving ap- propriations of $3,000,000 ; and I should not be surprised in spite of all the protes- tations of the Minister of Finance, to find tliat before this House rises this Session many other railway grants will have to be conceded to hungry supporters. * * * There is one factor which the Min- ister talked of, but did not talk enough. He has overlooked in his esti- mates for the future this important con- sideration, the fact that the income ot a very large portion of our people, I mean of the Agricultural portion of the paople haa of late years beeu very seriously diminished. We have not got absolutely perfect statistics, but I am correct in say- ing that, apart from what they i-aise for their own use, our farmers throughout the Dominion probably sell about $100,000,000 of produce, part for export and part for the I'emain- der of the population. Now, I am in the Judgment of the House whether I am II 't correct in saying that there haa been a reduction of probably 20 per cent, at It ist on the average value of thote farm products, and while the hon. gentle- man and his friends have been adding many millions to the taxation of those farmerh the reduction of prices to which I have alluded has reduced the selling value of those persons' produce by probably at least $20,000,000 a year. * '■''- '■^'- Now, to a certain extent, I fear we must make up our minds that a period of stagnation has arrived. It is quite clear that our farmers, in particular, are going to be exposed to an era of low prices, and are going to have to contend with a much more formidable competition than thty had to reckon on a few years ago. * * Sir, I am soiTy to have to say it, but I believe many of our people have forgotten the very A BrC of government ; they have been given over to a strong delusion, to believe a lie ; they have come to think that it is a veiy excellent thing to pile up a huge debt ; they have got to believe that the best way to enrich a country is to heap up taxes ; they have got to sup- pose that truth, honor — common decency I was going to say — are almost superflu- ous in the administration of our public affairs ; they have come to suppose that Plunging into Huge Enter- prises without counting the cost, or considering how they will affect the future of the country, is the best test and proof of high stotcsmanship. It has come to pass that to-day, however much we regret it, we are obliged to admit that ever second mem- ber of the Cabinet has been either the i*ecipient of a testimonal largely sub- scribed for by public contractors and pub- lic employes, or have received subsidies granted for the purpose of advancing lines in which they are large shareholders ; or that they have been participants, under the cloak of a special company created for that special end, in printing contracts- and other jobs which they could not have "t SI (indertaken in their own proper porsonn without piitting their seats in peril ; or that they iiave been recipients of timber Kmits ; and I am sorry to say, an the Oabim?t am, so are the majority of their uupportoni, and so are the majority of the prens that supports them both. Now there in some excuse |>erhap8 to be made fcr ordinary members of this House I believe a great many of thrtion of their supporters. If hon. gentlemen dis- [uite the statement as made by me, I will give a few words of an independent authority, which, on certain wcasions when it suits their turn, they quote with great respect : " Most of ui have learned pretty well to acquieace in the fact that the Dominion Gov- vemment is a government of corruption. Men, place?, Provinces, interests, churches, organizations of every kind, are bought in dilt'erent ways, some more coanely, some more aiibtly, in order to form the basis of a system which is administered, after its kind, with great ability, and is closely boimd up with personal ambition of its veteran chiof. 32 Oon-aption in not wholetomo : it does not become more wholeiume m it necomei more inveterate ; to tay uothiog of the debt which ia rolling up, it must deprare the political character of the people, lu, in fact, it in visibly doing, and in the end prove fatal to the ipfarlt, if not to the form, of representative institutions. Nor can the architect and manager of a corrupt system 1)e himself a CSuithani, tliou({li power, not lucre, may be hia personal object, and he may be in a cer- tain soDHe patriotic. That ho should have around him a ."warm of low political agents is an inevitable and a very noxious incident of his position." That is tlie language of a person who po80B, and whom hon. gentlemen are fond of quoting, tiH indepondent authority. The facts, 1 fear, are HubHtHntially true ; and although I hold that the spirit of the articlo is diistardly and the inference de- testable, inasmuch as it would lead us to acquiesce in this kind of thing instead of endeavoring to redress and reform it, I say there is no denying the serious nature of the charge, there is no d, nying there is too much foundation for that Indictment again&t our present Government , and our present system of Govern- ment. It is the existence of this temper in instructoi-s of the people, il is the existence of this temper in just sucli persons as the writer of this article, whoever be may be ; it is the ex- istence cf this temper in the pulpit and among respectable men, which goes a very long way to makii this corrupt system possible, and the presence of hon. gentle- men opposite as governors of this coun- try possible. ♦ ♦ ♦ I gpoak more in sorrow limn in anger; I know that many thingH I say are not pleasant for m<^ to say, and cannot ^ pleasant for any hon. gentleman to hear, hut I say things cannot go on in this way, there must bo a reFornxation or there is a risk of the total dissolution of our system. I }ioM, and I have always held, that there are ample materials, in spite of all tliat has been wasted and H(i|uandered, where- with to build up a powerful, indepon- dent nation in good time ; but although I know that there is enough of energy, enough of wealth atul popula- tion, and sui)erulniDdance of ter- ritory, for all these puriwses, 1 know also, if there be any truth in history, that none of these things will enable us to bulM up a nation, unless there is, behind and inspiring all those, true, honest andintelligentpublicopinion. That is what we lack ; that is what we require. Our laws may require amendment, and be amended ; but laws without character and without conscieace on the part of tho people will do very little indeed, if any» ponnanent, important good. What is needed is a tribunal of appeal, and that appeal can only be attained when a r«j80- lute, awakened public conscience will make it thoroughly impoBsible either for members of the Government or members of the House so to prostitute thou* great trusts, as those trusts have been prosti- tuted any time within the last seven years. (Loud and prolonged cheers). «v • .... ^ / Senator Alexander, A LIFE-LONG CONSERVATIVE. UPON PUBLIC QUESTIONS. WASTE AND MCKLESSNESS. A CONSRRVATrVB SENATOR VENTURES TO ADMONISH THK CONSEItVATIVaS ELECTORATE. Tlie Evils of Party irnder the Guidance of an Unscrupulous Leader. (From Ottawa Daily F^'c Premi, March 1, /■<<(''. The Hon. Sermtor ALEXANDER ob- served : As a citizen of this riaing country,! vonturo to warn them agaiuat the evils of luiKguideJ party spirit. Blind allegiance to \)HTty at this moment would imply igno- rance of passin/,' eventa. Party oombina- tiou for liigher objects and principles is ooramendable, but the acts and methods of the i)resent pai'ty in power, can not <'ntitle them to be classed in that cat«- ,1,'ory, but verify too truly the mnmorablo prophetic words of the illustrious VV^Hshington in his fai-owell address to 'lif> people of tho United States : - " That partisan combinations are likely to become engines by which cunning and \in- prbcipled men, will be enabled to subvert ihe power of the people, and use their posi- tion for their own selfish purposes and ends." The crying evil at this moment in public life is an unscrupulousness, that would not hesitate to do anything to I'e- tain power, Under Sir John Macdonald's ways and methods, now practised, with ;i lawyer's astuteness, our system of re- sponsible government, introduced by that Upright and distinguished states- man llobei-t Baldwin, has become " the mad- ness of the many for the gain of the few." Like Sir Robert Walpole of old, he has thoroughly corrupted the virtue of par- liament. He has sunk the standards of truth and honor, which ought to obtain and govern om- public life. The ruling article of faith at Ottawa is to hold oHicos at any cost and by any meansL Sir John magnanimouslj^ bribes the people with their own money, and distributes the public patronage with a lavish hand. Ho is an evpert at his traJe of teaching everyone to look for something, urid he is said to be very lavish in his promises, sometimes promising the same office to a multitude of applicants. The disappoint- ed must bide their time. Such a leader can always command popular domonstra- tion. Grateful recipients of past bountioH and eager expectants from every point in the compass flock to do him honor. His Blandishments of manner arc equal to every occasion, and thus it is that he has so long retained power, a popular man amongst men. But thoiightful men are becoming aware that all this dramatic performance may be accompanied by most reckless adminis- tration of our public affairs, and repre- hensible neglect of the public interests, and that tho greatest part of this colonial statesman's time is devoted to the thousand artifices by which he has kept his parliamentary majority together. It is now admitted on all hands that the rebellion in the North- West was caused and provoked by the most wanton neglect of duty and attention to the grievances of those half-breed fauiilies at Fort V,9x\- ton, and the ))resent government iS chargeable with all the loss of life — with the many millions of public exfienditure caused thereby — and with all the conse- quent evils arising from that outbreak. This trouble arose from the bad treat- ment by agents of the Ottawa govern- ■miiMiiMHm 24 meiit, some of -whom are irresponsilile men, recilosBly appointed to such posi- tions, as a reward for political services. WHAT A PUBLIC SCANDAL tliat .such a grave calamity should thus be brought upon the country. Then again behold the disastrous losses amiiig from the mad encouragement of those colonization companies by the gov- ernment, and those investments in North- west, land shares, which have brought many a household to want. And we shall have Sir John soon again coming to paC lirtinr-nt for more millions, with his A-isions of Japan and China trade to be carried over itearly 4,000 miles of road to Louis- hurit, after 7,000 miles of ocean ! I hope and trust that the officers and members of the Liberal-Conservative associations do n , with this Conservative Leader. • And what about those infamous gerry- mandering and franchise bills, simply designed by their author to snatch a fraud- ulent verdict from the electorate at the polls i Do the liberal- Conservative asaocintiony eu'lorse ench ways and methods of carrying out responsil'le gov- ernment? It would not be proper that 1 should be silent upon the Wasteful Expenditures of the (Gov- ernment, especially for partisan purposes and ob- jects, which very full details of which have been given very recently to the public by prominent members of the Commons. No one would object to a large increase of the pul)lic debt, where the gmnts are honestly and wisely a oted for the devel- opment of the country. But I do not believe in excessive payments upon con- tracts over and above the public tenders to enable such contractors to contribute largely towards the return of government candidates ut the eltctions. I do not believe in voting large amounts to certain localities for works of doubtful ret^uire- ment, in order to soften down in such districts, disaffection to the party in power — or in passing omnibus railway bills involving money votes and expendi- ture of many hundred thousand dollars in localities where there can be no traffic to sustain a railway— and suc'i pulilic money would therefore be wasted. I do not believe in superannuating large num- bers of of the Civil Service In the iull vigor of life. at enormous cost to the country for the sole purpose of providing for partisan followers, or in duplicating such positions of large emolument of those of the Speaker of the Commons and Chief Librarian for the same purpose. By such reckless and i^eprehensible expenditures they have liirge'y l>rought up the controllable ex- penditure from ^(5,500,000 in i878 to $13,000,000 in the brief period of 7 years — while it is acknowledged by their own organs that they have during that period added 8100,000,000 to the debt of the Dominion. But of all the public wrongs wliich have been done — of all the revel- ations which have yet been made — that showing the greatest depravity of purpose has been the distribution privately, with- out tenders, among partisan supporters of the government in parliament and out of pakliameut, of the valuable coal lands and timber limits in our JN ortli-West Territory at small nominal values. I believe it is not denied that one prominent partisan i$ follower had re-aold a timber limit or c<>al laud lease thus obtained for A clear gain of $80,000, Home say a much larger amount. Those enormities have been practised under re- gulations never submitted to parliament, but emanating from the Department of the Interior. It must rest with the country to deter- mine whether si^ch wrongs and methods of administering the government shall go on. With such public burdens already required, from profligate adoiinistration to be imposed, ranging up to a 35 per cent tariff — with ail the overstrained revenue collected, it would appear that we shall, notwithstanding, have a deficit this year of upwards of $5,000,000. It is for such prodigal management that the Conservatives praise their leader t If we desire that this Confederation should not break into fragments from political abuses and maladministrating, there must be less blind allegiance to party anal a more independent and enlightened exercise of the franchise at the polls. k Conservative Senator's Opinion on Sen J^EFORM. ATE Hox. Mr. ALEXANDER, at a late Session of the Senate, moved : " That an hiimble Address be presented to His Excellencv the Governor General, ex- pressing the opinion tnat it is not in the public interest that any more vacancies in the Senate, arising from death or any other cause, should be filled, until the people of the Dominion have had an opportunity, at the next general election, to express their views respecting the constitution of the Senate." He said : I believe I shall best con- sult the convenience and the ph-asure of the House by being as brief as I possibly can in bringing this motion to its notice. 1 am sure that the House will to-day discuss this important question from tlui standpoint that under the Confederation Act the Senate . of ■ the Dominion was designed to bo a high judicial body. Such was the purpose of the framers of the Confederation Act, designing it to be a safe-guard to prevent all maladminis- tration from either the one or the other of the two grejit political parties of the country. When the Senate acts; as a partisan body it fails to fulfil its mission to the country. As regarding the past appointments to this Chamber, every one must admit that those selected, have been prominent men of their re- spective districts. Had those very men been elected by the people, we should then have had the Senate in accord with public sentiment. I need not weary the House by going over ground which is familiar to every one. We all know how the Senate has become almost entire- ly composed of Conservative members. A Dignified Policy Advocated. It cannot be expected that the en- lightened people of a rising country such as this is will permit this peculiar state of thinj^B tc go on : and would it not be more dignified and more graceful for this august body to tnke the initiative to-day in aiding the people to have Par- liament framed and formed so aa to secure for them faithful, wise, and hon- est administration of their public afiiura. If ever there was a people upon earth that deserve to be well governed, it is the people of this Dominion^ What a ■— IW BB %$ bru{ht picture of human life we behold in the rural districts of the Province of Quebec — their beautiful jchurches, their frugal habits, and their happy content- ment ; and is the picture less bright in the other provinces, where we have as the result of untiring industry and energy, profusion of the jjroducts of the soil and a state of well-being. Then I •say, let us act worthy of ourselves and take the high patriotic ground that we invite the people of those beautiful pro- vinces to say how they desire the second Chamber to be constituted at the next general election. It is Surely no Honor to be a member of the Senate of the DominioQ unless we possess the esteem and respect of the country. Contrast the position of the Senate of the Domi- nion with that of the United States. The latter is regarded by their people as the most important of the two branches, whereas the Canadian Senate is never heard of in the columns of our public journals; and a large portion of the Dominion prees speak of this Chamber either as a nullity, or, as some f e ff local papers, say an expensive incubus. Is it not deeply to be regretted that the Can- adian Senate, composed to a large extent of most estimable men should have been so managed and led — shall I say for ten or fifteen yeara — as to deaden all public interest in the deliberations] I for one raise my humble voice, and I hope that the Senate to-day will echo that voice that there be no more vacancies filled upon the nominative principle. I earn estly hope that the House will confirm my humble motion before we rise, and then the next proceeding will be to draft an Address to His Excellency the Gov- ernor-General to be laid before the Throne, supplicating the Imperial Gov- ernment and parliament to amend the Confederation Act, declaring that future vacancies in the Senate of the Dominion shall be filled by popular election, as it was during the period from 1H56 to 1867, or by the Local Legislatures. The prin- ciple of election of members to the Upper House should never have been departed from. [Note — The resolution was not adopt- ed]. uaii w —V. s j.iii.-jenJ - SYisroi^xs OB^ MR, CHARLTON'S SPEECH IN THE House of Commons, Inr Support of Resolution Condemning the Government for granting to FRIENDS AND FAVORITES RAILWAY SUBSIDIES, COAL LAND LEASES, TIMBER LIMITS, ^ PASTURE LAND LEASES, COLONIZATION LAND GRANTS, MAT 4th, 1S86. {From the Official Report.) Mr. CHARLTON. In amendment to the motion to go into Committee of Supply, I shall move a resolution ex- pressing regret that the Independence of Parliament had been impaired by the conduct of the Government in various respects, in its administration of the pub- lic trusts of this countiy. The members of an administration are the stewards of the people and should discharge their trusts witli an eye to the interests of the •entire people, A.s agents it is dishonest for them to emb«!Kz]e or misappropriate public funds or public property. They should levy taxes only to such an extent as to furnish the means for the economi- cal and eOicient administration of the affairs of the country, and as custodians of our great public domain, they should honestly seek to advance the interests of dignified by the name of eagles, are gath- ered- These birds of prey are engaged in plunging their beaks into the treasury. They have squandered our money till to- day our net debt is not lftH8,when liabilities are funded, than $250,000,000 or twice as much per head as that of the United States, and our expenditure has run up* since 18G7 from $1 8,500,000, to ^85,000- 000, an increase in both debt and expen- diture of 250 per cent, while the popula- tion has increased 88 per cent. "While we- are called upon to meet a great deficit they have imposed upon the country a worse then useless measure for the purpose of securing control of the electoral lists so as to retain themselves in power at an annual cost to this sorely burdened country of from $500,000 to^ $760,000, They have spent millions in Railway subsidies granted mainly to theii* favorites. They have gi-anted pasture land leaaes at one cent an acre,, and timber limits at $5 a mile, to members of Parliament, their brothenj, their sons, their nephews, their cousins, I and faithful and deserving lories of every station and kind and degree have been the rocijiieuts of these favors of the Governu}«ut, granted at the expense of the public interest. Brazen dofence. All of these acts are defended. The I GovornmeDt party seem to assume that j the p((ople cannot be aroused, that they I consider public dishonesty no crime, and I that the Tory voter cannot be shocked by I any public crime that his Torj' leader can i commit. Perhaps this is the case is, God help our countvy. Certa that this is a critical period in the history of Canada, aud that the fate of the fu- ture trembles in the balance of the present. Did the j)rophetic eye of Solomon have our present Parliament in view, I wonder, where he penned thoso memorable words. " Such i» the way with the adulterons woman ; she eateth anO wipeth her mouth, and Huyelh I have doue no wickedness."- /'io». so-io ^fit is 19 :ed l»y or can ^fit is istory fu- the ye of ent iu thoso ruman ; ayelbX So it is with the men who stand up here boldly and defend their political crimes. Thoy will eat the substance of the nation, they will wipe their mouth and get up in the House of Commons and say, we have done no wickedness. They .^eem to imagine that the moral sense of the nation is dead and that the beaks of eagles may rend the prey with impunity. Mr. Speaker, will neither shame for the shameless confluct of the Government, nor care for our own. interests as a people, nor regard for the glorious past through which our ancestors have vindicated their right to be a free ])eople, nor hope for tiie future thai lies before us, rouse tha p9op]<' of C'anada from their apathy, and lead them to rebuke the men who have done despite to every jn-iDciplrt of justice and decency iu ad- ministering the public offices of this country. Mr. Mackenzie's Timber Policy. (ireat stress is laid upon the fact that be- tween 1874 and 1878 Mr. Mackenzie's Government granted a few licenses to cut timber without competition. The country was then new, competition could not be obtained, and licenses wei-e only gra.nted to parties who were pi-epared to erect mills and produce lumber for the settlers. This course was avowedly a tem[)orary one and the propriety of the principle of competition was fully recog- nized. Since 1S78 grants have not been con- iined to actual requirements. A specula- tive mania has been fostered, and per- mitted to run its course, and at least ten ] Orders in Council have been issued by j the present Government where one license has been gj-anted. The Reform Party did not ne^dect to n<.Lt friendb of the Government. Mtmhers of houtf. of C., 1683. 31 ObcarPultok, ex-M:P.~ Order in Council 60 miles, N. Saskatcbe- -vran, March 24, 1884. When I spoke in Milton, last January, I referred to Mr. Blain in this connection, and, according to the Mail, he denounced mb as a liar for haviog said that he ob- taint-d an Order in CJouncil. I find, however, as follows : David Blain, ei.M.P.— Application for self, March 12, 1886. Order in Council for self, 60 miles, Hun> t',>r'B Island, Aug, 1, 1886. License issued to Blain, Oct. 24, 1884. Recorded in Liber A, folio 127 and 128. U H. Massuk, M.P.— Order in Council for self, 50 miles, Lake Dauphin, Man., Feb. 3, 188',;. Here are seventeen niembei-s of the House of Commons who have Orders in Council —honest members of the House who have had the manliness to face the music ihemselves, who made application and ^ot their Orders in Council like little men. There are others who have used stool pigeons and obtained orders in other names. I have ti-aced one or two and I .im satisfied there are a good many more. We now come to — Mtnihen of Local Legislatures who have received Orders in Council for tfiefniselves : jT. Robillard, M.P.P.— Order in Council for self, 50 miles, Kee- watin, Aug. 24, 1883, Louis Dohamkl, M.P.P., Hull, Que, — Order in Council for self, Sturgeon River, ■(' miles, Mar. 18, 1880. (' W. M0NK,M.P.P,— Order in Council for self, 50 miles, Mani- t(.l>a, May 21, 1884. Louis Tkllikr, M.P,P., Quebec — Order in Council, 50 mile*, Dauphin Tiiver, Man. Henri Q, Malhiot, M,P.P., Quebec- Order in Council, 80 miles. West Shore lake, Winniiieg, H. MoNTPLAisiR, M.P.P., Quebec — ♦ Order in Council, 50 miles, Dec. 17, 1883, A. T. Ross, M.P.P., Cornwall- Order in Council, 50 miles, Kaewatin, for self and brother, Mar. 14, 1682. rheti there is a Ibng list. Memhen of th$ Ihuu of Convmont and SentUe vtho have applisdfcr litnitt mcceufidly on behalf of thwr fritndi, S. R. Hbsson, M.P.— Application for H. Symons (son-in-law), June 23, 1882. Order in Council to H. Symons, 60 milea, July 28^ 1882. Apphcation for James Robb (editor local paper). Order in Council to Jamea Robb, 60 miles, Nov. 22, 1882. Application for S. S, Fuller, Stratford, Apra 14, 1882. Order in Council to S. S. Fuller, 48 miles, Manitoba, Dec. 16, 1882, Application for J, Gray don Smith, Strat- ford, July 23, 1883, Order in Council to J. Gray don Smith, 60 miles, Keewatin, Aug. 11, 1883. Application for Wm. Morton, Wellesly, Ont, May 10, 1883. Order in Council to Wm. Morton, 60 miles. Sturgeon River, June 7, 1883. Application for James T. Woods, Stratford, March 15, 1883. Order in Council to James T. Woods, 50 miles, Keewatin, Aug. 11, 1883. C.H. Mackintosh, M, P. — Application for Henry Large (Ottawa), May 9, 1882. Order in Council to Henry Laige, 50 miles, Beaver River. Mr, MACKINTOSH. Was I a mem- ber of the House when I made that recommendation . Mr, CHARLTON. The application was dated 9th Mav, 1882. Mr. MACKINTOSH. I wa.s not even nominated then, I would not do it now. Mr. CHARLTON, I am quite will- ing to give the hon. gentleman ci'edit for having seen the error of his ways and turned to a better course. That is one of the most severe rebukes the Govern- ment have received tliis Session. Hector Cameron, M. P, — Promoted application of P. A. McLean (Toronto). Order in Council to P. A. McLean, 60 miles, Lake Winnipegoosis, Jan. 12, 1883. Promoted application of John Bain (Tor- onto), telegram, Dec, 22, 1883, Order in Council to John Bain, 50 miles, Manitoba , Dec, 21, 1883. Application for Wm. McKeniie (Kirkfield, Ont.), Feb. 6, 1883. HP 32 Ordn in Council to Wm,. Mcl{lenaie, 50 miles, Bed Deer Riyer, Feb 12, 188*. J. C. Pattbrson, M. p.— Application for Stephen Knight, Juno 8, 1880. Order in Council to Stephen Knight, 60 miles, April 17, 1882. L. McCALLnM, M. P. — Application, telegram for McDonald, Lati- mer et al, Dunnville, Jan. 15, 1883. Order in Council to A. McDonald, R. G. Latimer and Arch. McDonald, 50 miles, March 6, 1883. Care of coirespondence for John Murphy (Stromneas, Ont.,; April 7, 1884. Order in Council to John Murphy, 60 miles Buck liake Creek, May 15, 1884. Care of correspondence for W. II. Moii- Ugue, M.D. CWelLand), April 7, 1H84. Chrder in Council to W. H. Montague, M,D. 50 miles, Buck Lake Creek, May 15, 1884. C. C Colly, M. P.— Letter pronxot'.ng application of J. S. Mc- Ewan, Winnipeg, and asking that Order in Council notice be sent to him, Dec. 14, 1882. Order in Council to J S. McEwan, 60 mile*. Battle River, Dec. 26, 1882. Hon. J. Royal, M. P. — Application for Robert and Peter Qeorc;e. Order in Council to Rol^ert and Peter George, 50 miles, Jan. 29, 1883. Applications for Charles de Cazes and James Taillefor, July 15 and 31, and August 18, 1882. Mr. ROYAL. Wheie is tlie wrong? Mr. CHARLTON. I don't suppose the hon. gentleman sees it. J. C. Rykkrt, M. p.— Application for James Murray, (St. Cath- arines). Order in Council to James Murray, 50 miles. Swan River, July 5, 1882. Hon. JohnCostigan, M. P. — Applies for extension of Major John Lewis permit, Feb, 21, 1882. I'ermit extended. Application, permit to cut ties, telegram, Feb. 6, 1882, letter, May 15, 1882. Permit granted. Application for Hyp. Montplaisir, M. P., October 18, 1883- Order in Council to Hyp. Montplaisir, December 17, 1883, 50 miles. Rainy Lake. Hon. Geo. W. Howlan. — Application for E. J. Dwyer, Kingston, Apnl24, 1883. ' Order in Council to E. J. Dwyer, 50 miles, Swan Lake, June, 5, 1883. I believe that Dwyer is his wife's brother. Mr. BEROIN. I may as well give the bon. gentleman the information Uiat Mrs. Howlan's name was not Dwyer. Mr. 'CHARLTON. Was it MoOilrary '>. Mr. BERGIN. No. Mr. CHARLTON. Then I Buppose he had not that reason for making the appli- cation. I will hand in the dates of these applications, etc., to the Hanaard reixjrt- ers, without reading them all. Hon. Geo. W. Howlan — Application for Joseph McGilvary, (his brotW-in-law by marriage to his sLjter^ Kingston, April 24, 1883. Onier in Council to Joseph McGilvary, 50 miles, Swan Lake, June 4, 1883. Application for Hon. W. Muirhead, Jan. 11, 1884. Order in Council to Hon. W. liluirhead, 50 miles, Porcupine Hills, April 30, 1884. M. K. Dickinson, M.P.— Aj)plication for G. L. Dickinson (his son), May 16, 1882. ()rder in Council to G. L. Dickinson, 50 miles, Borens River, .luly 12, 1882. Application for W. B. Dickinson. Older : Council to W. B. Dickinson, 50 miles, y fv e River, Dec. 24, 18(^3. Applicion for J. J. Burrows (Winnipeg), 56 Islands, May 7, 1883. Order in Council to J. J. Burrows, 56 Is- lands, Lake Winnipeg, Oct. 27, 1883. John White, M. P.— Application for E. Rathbun. Order in Council to E. Rathbun, 60 miles, Smoky Lake. Application for Shell River Colonisation Co. Order in Council to Shell River Coloniza- tion Co., 48 mile*, Manitoba, Feb. 3, 1883. Care of application, E. A. de Bellefeuille, St. Eustache, Que. Order in Council to E. A. de Bellefeuille 50 raile^ N. Saskatchewan, April 30, 1884. Transfer of limit from self to Joseph Green (Hamilton). Order in Council to Joseph Green, 50 miles, Smoky Lake, April 30, 1884. Care application for James Elliott CRoblin, Oat.,) April 16, 1884. Order in CouncU to James Eillott, 60 miles N. Saskatchewan, April 30, 1884. Application for A. Forbes (Trenton), April 29, 1884. Order in Council to. A. Forbes, 50 miles, N. Saskatchewan, May 23, 1884. ti T. B. SPRotJLi, M. P. Application for G. 4 J. N. Andrews, May 4, 1882. _ Order in Council to Q. A J. N. Andrews, 60 miles, May 1 1, 1882. Application for John C. Sproule, Aug, 23, 1882. Order in Council to John C. Sproule, April 2, 1883. Mr. COOK. 'Who is John C. Sproule ] Mr. CHARLTON. He is his brother. Duncan MaoMillan, M. P. — Application for Thomas Wells, Ingersoll, letter, Nov. 27 ; telegram, Dec. 1, 1882. Order in Council to Thomas Wells, 50 miles, Red Deer River, Oct 3, 1883. Application for John Taylor (his partner), March 2, 1882. Order in Council to John Taylor, 50 miles, Red Deer River, Oct 3, 1882. Apphcation for Joseph G. Dawes, Oct. 10, 1882. Order in Council to Joseph G. Dawe?, 50 miles, Red Deer River, Feb. 12, 1883. Application for Wm. McKenzie, Aug. 4, 1883. Order in Council to Wm. McKenzie, 60 miles, in lieu of previous grant. Application for John G. McDonald (Hyde Park), April 16, 1884. Order in Council to John G. McDonald, 50 miles, Red Deer River, April 3, 1884. Application for Joseph G. Dawes, and directions to send survey instructions to him, Feb. 20,' 1883. Order in Council to Joseph G. Dawes, 60 miles Red Deer River, Aug. 4, 1883. Geo. p. Obton, M. P.— Application for George D. Farmer, (A-ncas- ter), Aug. 1, 1881. Order m Council to Geo. D. Farmer, 50 miles. Swan River, July 12, 1882. Application for James Reynolds (Elora). Order in Council to James Reynolds, 60 miles, N. Saskatchewan, May 10, 1882. Application for James Reynolds, April 27, 1883. Order in Council to James Reynolds, 50 miles, Nut Lake, May 4, 1883. Application for George D. Farmer. April 2, 1884. Order in Cou ncd t) George B. Farmer, 50 miles, Rainy Lake, April 29, 1884. Application for R. G. Brett, Feb. 4, 1884. Older in Council to R. G. Brett, 50 miles, Rainy Lake, AprU 29, 1884. J. B.Daodst, M.P.— Application forTheophile Viau, HuU, Que. Order in C-ouncil to Thiophile Viau, 60 mUes, Bainy Lake, May 23, 1884. P. Vanasisb, M. p.—' Application and recommending D. W. Smith as one of Iub supporters, July, 1882. Order in Council to w. D. Smitn (La Baie, Que.), 60 Mil'-s, Nov. 22, 1882. Application for J. M. Duguay. Order in Council for J. M. Du^ay, 60 miles, May 25, 1883. Hon. Mb. Popb, M. P;— Sends his Private Secretary, May 11, 1888, to enquire if the application of (his nephew) W. W. Bailey, of Cookshire, Que., has beea granted. Order in Council to W. W. Bailey, 60 miles. Salt River, Man., Jan. 6, 1883. Tgos. Scott, M. P. — Application for permit, for J. Q. Hargrave, to cut wood, by numerous letters and tele- grams. Permit to cut wood granted, Jan. 29, 1883. Hon. John Cabling, M.P. — Care of application, J. R. Menhenick. Order in Council to J. R. Menhenick, 60 miles. Alberta, May 10, 1883. Care of application, John Geary (London^. Order in Council to John Geary, 50 miles, Lake St. Anne. Apnl 26, 1883. Application, A. W. Porte (London), Aug. 24, 1888. Order in Council to A. W. Porte, 60 miles, Crooked Pine Creek, Oct. 27, 1883. Care of Application, W. T. R. Street (London). Order in Council to W. L. R. Street, 60 miles. Lake St. Anne, April 17, 1883. A. BoULTBEB, ex-M.P. — Application for Aaron Squires (Rat Port- age), July 12, 1883. Order in Council to Aaron Squires, 60 miles. Eagle Lake, Dec. 1, 1883. Application for W. E. Cornell (Toronto), March 5, 1884. Order in Council to W. E. Cornell, 60 miles. Rainy Lake, March, 1884. Application for E. J. Chauncey (Toronto), March 5, 1«84. Order in CouncU to E. J. Chauncey, 60 mile>s. Rainy Lake, March 20, 1884. Joseph Tasse, M.P. — Application /or Pierre Durocher, Hull, Que. Order in Council to Pierre Durocher, 60 miles. Pine Creek, Feb. 9, 1884. Care of application. Engine Lecourt, (Ot- tawa). Order in Council to Eugtee Lecour^ 60 miles. Hunter's Island, Oct. 37, 1888. Application for Raphael Lonston. Oraer in Council to Bapha^ Longton, 00 miles, Hunter's Island, Oct. 27, 1868, «■■■ 84 I F. E. KiLVBRT, M.P.— Appiicatiuu forH. D, Cameron, Himilton, May 17, 1883. Order in Council to H. P. Cameron, 60 miles, N. iSiskatchowan, May 30, 1883. Application for C. R. Smith and J. Muir. Oraer in Council to C, R. Smith and John | Muir, 50 miles, Kaewatin, Oct. 27, 1883. Appli'iation and care of correspondence for ttolwirt Evau?^ Hamilton. Or^er in Council to Robert Evans, 50 miles, Oleaifwater River, May 28, 1883. Case of application of W. E. Sandford, ^ Hamilton. Order in Council to W. C Sandford, 60 miles,* Smoky River, March 6, 1883. Application for James M. Lotteridge, Hamilton, May 17, 18S3. Order in Council to James M. Lotteridge, 60 miles, Clearwater River, May 30, 1883. H. A. Waud, M. p.— Application for Henry A. Reid. Order in Council to Henry A. Reid, 60 miles, Carrot River, March 24, 1884. Care of application for W. R. Smith, Port Hope. Order in Council to W. R. Smith, 60 miles, StutReon River, Nov. 8, 1883. Gare of application for Mr. Herman Clark. Order in .Council to Mr. Herman Clark, 60 miles, Carrot River, Mar. 24, 1884. John Bryaon, M. P.— Application for C. A. McCool, Mattawan, Feb. 6, 1884. Order in Council to C. A. McColl, 50 miles, White Mouth River, Feb. 25, 1684. Application for Michael Couchlin- Order in Council to Michael Coughlin, 60 miles, October 10, 1883. R. Tyrwhitt, M. p.— Application for Henry Grove (Lefroy), Mav 14 and September 7, 1884. Order in Council to Heniy drove, CO miles, Swan River, September 29, 1884. Hugo Krane, M. P.— Reference for Wm. Morton, (Welleslev, Ont ,; May 10, 1883. Order iu Council to Wm. Morton, 50 miles, Swau River, June 7, 1883. Dalton McCarthy, M. P.— Applice lion for John W. Astley, "an old friend of mine," p. lO'J. Order in Council to John J. Astley, 50 miles, Sandy Lake, Alberta, Majr 17, 1884. Letter of enquiry about his friend Kirk- land's application J July 21, 1883. Order in Coxmcil to A. S, K^rkland, (Dun- tiooa,) 60 miles, High Riyer, Aug. 29, 1SS3, SiB Aooi.i'HE Carok, M. p.— Application for Wm. Sharpies, Quebec (brother in law), March, 22, 1883. Says ; "Hurr}' up Order iu Council." O. C. to Wm. Sharpies, 50 miles, Red Deer River, March 17, 1883. John Uaqgaut, M. P.~ Application and plan sent. Order iu Council to Peter McLaren and others, 16 miles. Turtle Lake, May 20th, 1884. J. S. McCuAiti, EX-M. P.— Application for Edward Rathbun, March 7, 1882. Order in Council to "Edward Rathbun, 60 miles, Alberta, May 23, 1883. I believe tha hen. member for East Huron (Mr. I'arrow) was very indignant when, iu a speech 1 delivered, I coupled hiii name with tinbor trauaaction, and denied having his hands soiled at all. Thomaj Varrow, M. p.— Application for Joseph Leech (Bluevale, Ont.) received March 8, 1883. Order in Gouncil,to Joseph Leech,50 miles, Alberta, April 29, 1884. Care of application, Asher Farrow, (Blue- vale, Ont). Oi"der in Council to Asher Farrow,50 miles, Alberta, June 9, 1883. Application for Geo. Lesson (Brandon, Man.), May 26, 18P3. Order in Council to Geo. Lesson, 50 miles. Alberta, June 7, 1883. John Small, M. P. — Application for C. C. Small, hia brother, March 10, 1883. Order in Council to C. C. Small (Toronto) 50 miles, Hunter's Island, Aug. 11, 1883. AppUcaiion for John Giuty. Order in Council to John Qinty, 50 milen, Aug. 11, 1883. S. J. Dawson, M.P.— AppUcation for T. McRae (Port Arthur)) May 3, 1884. Order in Council to T. McRao, 50 miles, Rainy Lake, May 17, 1884. Hon. Tuos. White, M.P. — Recommendation for T. H. Schneider, Feb. 12, 1883. Order in Couucil to T. H. Schneider, 60 miles. Sir John A. Macdonald, M.P. — Recommendation for Onderdonk, contrac- tor, July 17, 1883, and orders license to issue immediately* 85 ThftBf are the sueoeasftil appHcatious matlrt by members of Parliament on be- half of their friendg and themstlve*. I filial! now read a list of applications for timber limita made by members of the Senate and the Houses of Commons for friends or themselves, and not granted, for the reason that the areas applied for were previously granted, or covered by pasture leases, etc. : — C. H. Mackintosh, M.P,— Application for W.Bradburg, Sept. 19,1888. J. 0. Patterson, M.P. — Application for Geo. Campbell, April 16, 1882 ; Matthew Campbell, May 13, 1882. Hector Cambron, M.P.-- Application for Masson, Boyd, Timber Limit and Cattle Ranche, March 11, 1882 ; James Anderson. L McCallum, M.P. — Application for Samuel McCallum, April ii, 1883. HrP. MONTPLAISIR, M.P.— Application for self, Oct. 1, 1883. Hon, Geo. W. Howlan— Amplication for G. R. Jones, Jan. 11, 1884 ; J. W. McKinnon, Jan. 11, 1884 ; T. D. Doran, April 24, 1883 ; self, Jan. 17, 1884. John White, M. P. — Application for Philip Star, Feb. 26, 1884 ; Henry Gill, July 11, 1883; NeQ McLeod, Curran & Co., Feb. 24, 1883. T. S. Sproulb, M. p.— Application for "R. J. Sproule, Aug. 23. 1882 ; Augustin & Kendall, Dec. 9, 1884 ; Neil Sirachan, March 9, 1883 ; Almond Graham, March 15, 1883 ; W. M. Glen, Oct 14, 1883 ; Matthew Spinks, Oct 16, 1883. Geo. T. Orton, M. P.— Application for self, Oct. 21, 1884"; Rey- nolds, Dobie & iforrow, Feb. 13, 1883 ; J. C. Morrow, Dec. 3, 1883 ; Jas. Reynolds, May 1, 1883. J. B. Daoust, ^f. P.— Application for G. Brown, May 22, 1884 ; ^elf, April 9, 1883 ; John Paisley, April 9, 1883. F. Vanasse, M. p. — Application for self, March 28, 1884 ; G. W. \VittiG, March 28, 1884 ; A. Charlebois, March 28, 1884. Thomas Scott, M. P. — Application for J. Q. RoWe, Oct, 2, 1882 ; Waller & Kelloch, Oct. 2, 1882 ; George Beers, Sept 12, 1862 | John W. goldeo^b and ThoB. Scott, Aiig. 18, 1882 ; W. B. Thl- baudeau. May 30, 1884 ; T. T. Murray, Feb. 13, 1883. Hon. John OARtma, M. P. Application for Wm. Hudiion.May 12,1898. A. BoUTiTBEE, EX-M. P. — Application for S. Hughe'« ; Ja«. A. Deacon, Aug. 6, 1884 ; D. E. Sprague, June 28, 1883. F. E. KlLVERT, M. P.— Application for James Walker, May 14, 1883 ; Goo. Roach, Aup. 9 ; Richard Guller, Aug. 9 ; W. W. DuBleld, Aug. 9 ; 8. Aikent, Aug. 9 ; Joseph Green, Aug. 9 ; Adam Brown, Aug. 9, 1883. H. A. Warp, M. P.— Application for Mr. Smith, Oct. 4. 1883 ; 2 others, names not given, Oct. 4, 1883. Geo. Guillbt, M. P.— Application for self, March 23, 1883. R. Tyrwhitt, M. p. — Application Tor Samuel Maneer, May 14j 1884. D ALTON McCarthy, M. P.— Application for Wesley Orr, Jan. 11, 1883 ; Ed. J . Walsh, Feb! 19, 1883 ; E. T. Walsh, May 4, 1883. Hugo Kranz, M. P, — Application for Otto J. Klotz, of Preston. S. J. Dawson, M. ? — Application for Thoraaa Marks, March \6, 1882 ; Walter Rosa, April 19, 1884. Jambs Beaty, M P.— Application forH. M. Wells, May 2, 188i ; O. M. WUfion, May 2, 1882. P. Valin, M. p.— Application for Ferdinand Sampson, April 26, 1882 ; Didas Dion, April 25, 1882 ; Prank Ross, April 25, 1882 ; D. C. Thompson, April 25, 1882 ; James G. Ross, April 26, 1882 ; William Sharpies, May 1, 1882. C. F. FEncusoft, M.P.— Application for E.Erratt 4 Co., May 12, 1882. D. B. WOODWORTH, M.P,— Application for C. Porter, Sept. 20, 1882. W H. McMillan, May 14. 1883. Jos. E. Eaton, Mav 14, 1883. D. H. McMillan, May 14, 1883. E. B. llariis, May 14, 1883. Robert Douix, ox-M P.- Applicution for self, June 26, 1882. Wm. Bannehman, ex-M.P. — Applieaiion for self, Dec. 4, 1882. Hon. G. E. Foster, M P.— Application for self, April 25, 1888. John Sadlgr, April 25th, 188«5. Henry Muirhead, April 25, 188$. 38 Joiw Poupo«E, ax-M.P.— Application for John G. Pouporo, April 56, 1883. Hon. M. A. GiRARi)— Application for fViends. Dahdy Bkroin, M. p. — Application for friendi, Grorok Taylob, M.P.— Application for a friend ; Townships 39, 40 and 41, Ranges 18, 19 and 20, west; Oct. 3, 1882. That is the liat of the members of Parlia- ment, brought down to February, 1885 — and including some members of the last Par-liament — nothing is known of the transactiong which have taken place since that time. Now I will read a summary of the results : — Number of members of Senate and House of Commons who received Orders in Council for Timber Limits to themeelves, 17. >i umber of members of Senate and House of Commons who secured Orders in Council for selves and for friends, 46. Total number of members of Senate and House of Commons who applied for lands for selves and friends, fi6. Total number of Orders in Council panged upon recommendation of members of the Senate and House of Commons, no far as made public by the records, 115. Number of applications made by members of the Senate and House of Commons, for timber lunds, and refused for tha reason that pasture leases, previous Orders in Coun- cil, Ac. covered the areas applied for, 86. Total number of timber limits applied for by members of the Senate and House of Commons for selves and friends, 201. Here is a list of deserving Tories, not members of the House of Commons or Senate, who have received in Orders in Council for themselves. Nicholas Flood Davin, Order in Council 50 miles, North Saskatch- ewan, Dee. 16, 1882. Edwabd Farrar, Toronto Mail. Order In Council, 60 mUes, North Saskatchewan, Dec. 15, 1882. Joseph Gibson, Tory candidate. South Oxford. Order in Council, 50 miles, Turtle Luke, April 25, 1882. R. S. Whitk, Editor Montreal Gat$Ue. Order in Council, *0 miles, Montagoo River, l4\/i9 Winnipeg, Frkd. W. Gibbs, son of Hon. O. W. Glbbs. Order in Couiioil, 40 miles, N. VV. T. Chas J. CAMfBBi.L, brother of Sir Alexander. Order in Council, 50 miles, Hunter's Island. CoL. Uatid TrsnAfg, defeated Tory candidate in North Norfolk. Order In Council, 50 milna, Dec. 6, 1883. J AUKS McKnight, defeated Tory candidate, local, North Norfolk. Order In (Council, 50 miles, Lake Mennitakie, Jan. 29, 1884. Wm. Wilson, defeated Tory candidate, local, Nor '1» Norfolk. Order in Council, 50 miles, Aug. 18, 1883. John Wilson, M. D , President Conservative Associafion, North Norfolk. Order in Council, 50 miles, Jan. 4, 1883. Alexandkr McColi,, expects to be Tory candi- date for South Norfolk. Order in Council, 50 miles, Dec. 6, 1883. Jas. Cbaic Uoyd (Simone), Tory election agent, 50 miles, Dec. 6, 1883. W. H. Teeter, North Norfolk, Tory leader. Order in Council, 50 miles. FimoKnicf Copk (Simcoe), Tory worker. Order in Council, 50 miles, Sept. 28, 1883. James Robb (Simooe), partnef Col. Tisdale, Tory. Core of Col. Tisdale. Order in Council, 50 miles. Alberta, April 29, 1884. Chas. p. Young (Vittoria), active Tory. Care of Col.Tisdalo. Order in Council, 50 miles. Alberta, April 30, 1884. R T, Livingstone (Simcoe), since appointed Judge of Norfolk. Order in Council, 50 miles, April 30, 1884. Mr. WHITE (Car dwell). Are you reading the list of those who have got timber limits 1 Mr, CHARLTON. Yes, but I would not have time, if I devoted to-day and to-morrow to it, to read the names of ul) who got timber limits much less those who applied. W. P. Paok Toronto- Older in Council April 4, 1883, 50 milles. Henry O'Brien, Toronto — Order in Council, 60 miles, Hunter's Island, Aug. 11, 1883. L. K. O'Bbien, Toronto- Order in Council, OO miles Hunter's Island, J Aug. 11, 1883. ' .87 nter'B lal&nd, J. 0. Jamimok, B«ll«ville— Order in Council, 60 miles, XUrch 10, 1883. Tho8. Shobtiss, Toronto-- Order in Council, 60 miles, Hunter's Island, Aug. 11, 1883. J, S. AiKiMB Son. of Qovoruer Aiking-- Ordei in Council, 60 niilos, Manitoba, Aug. 11, 1883. HtJOH Maodonald, Toronto — Order in Council, 60 milea, Hunter'i Island, Aug. 11, 1883. J, J. MAcnoNALD, Toronto, connected witb John Shields — Order in Council, 60 miles. Hunter's Island, Aug 11, 1883. MiCHAiL Starrs, Ottawa- Order in Council, 60 miles, April 30, 1883, Maiik Ahnoldi, Toronto, Tory lawyer- Order in Council, 60 miles, Hunter's Island, Aug. 11, 1883. Wm. Richardson, Seely Bay, ex-Tory M. P. P.— Order in Council, 60 miles, Sept. 2|, 1883. ROBBRT Etanb, Hamilton, Tqfy boss- Order in Council, 80 miles, May 28, 1883. Ondbroonk, contractor. — Order in Council for limit, 1,200 acres, July, 17, 1883. Sir John endorses his ap- plication, and directs that license shall issue without delay. Wm. Shiilds, Toronto, brother of John Shields- Order in Council, 60 miles, Nov. 29, 1883. Ja8. G. D. Black, Montreal, city treasurer- Order in Council 60 miles, Dec. 19, 1883. Peter McLaren, Ottawa — 50 miles, March 16, 1883. John M. Farrow, Bluevale, Ont. Order in Council, 50 miles, Juae 9, 1883. John Shields, Rat Portage, contractor, Ac- Order in Council, 50 miles, Dec. 21, 1883. H. M. Staunton, Rat Portage— Telegraph operator who stole the telegrams Mr. Mere- dith read in the House at Toronto. Order in Council, 60 miles. | Joseph Foster, Rat Portage assistant tele- gram purloiner — Order in Council, 50 miles. 7f. R. GouiN, Ottawa— 50 miles, Jan. 28, 1884. John H. Beatt, Toronto — 50 miles JanuaryQ, 1884. W. B. Scarth, Toronto- - Qrder in QonncU 50 miles, Sept. 11, 1889' Thomas Birkitt, Ottawa- Order in Council 60 miles, Jan. S3, 1884. John H. Beatt, Toronto. Cousin of M. P.-- Order in Council 60 miles, Deo. 0, 1883. C. R. Choroh, M. D., OtUwa— Order in Council 60 miles, July 7, 1883. T. G.BLAOKgTOCK, Toronto, defeated Tory candidate- Order in Council 60 miles, Dec. 6, 1883. Joseph S. Smith, Port Hope- Order in Council 50 miles, Dec. 1, 1883. Robert A. Bell, Toronto — Order in Council 50 miles. Red Deer Rivar, Jan. 11, 1883. Robert Skead, Ottawa, son of Senator — Order in Council 60 miles. Lake Winnipeg, Jan. 19, 1883. Edwabd McCtu-iivry, Ottawa. Order in Council, 50 miles. Lake Winnipeg, Feb. 2. 1883. George Skkad, Ottawa, son of Senator. Order in Council, 50 miles, Lake "Winnipeg, Jan. 29, 1883. Wm. Pratt, Ottawa. Order in Council 50 miles, Blood River, April 2, 1883. D O'Connor, Ottawa, Pres. Tory Assoc'n. Order in Council, 50 miles, English River, April 17, 1883. Henrt Lahob, Ottawa, friend of Mackintosh. Order in Council, 50 miles, Beaver River, May 23, 1883. Charles H. Carrier, Ottawa. Order in Council, 50 miles, North Saskat- chewan, July 29, 1882. P. McArthur, Winnipeg. Order in Council, 50 miles. Duck River, Nov. 23. 1883. K. N. Macdee, Montreal, fi-iendofC. C. Golbv, M. P. Order in Council, 50 miles, Buttle River, Feb. II, 1883. Peter Whrlan, Ottawa, Tory Alderman. Order in Council, 48 miles, May 12, 1882. P. A. McLean, Toronto, Old Kirk Tory. Order in Council, 50 mil«9, Lake Winnipe- goosis, Jan. 12, 1883 McLeod Stewart, Ottawa. Order in Qlouncil, 50 miles. North Saskat- chewan, May 23, 1883. H. K. EcAN, Ottawa. Order in Council, 50 miles, Manitoba, May 2S, 1883, ttmmm 38 PrakkJ. Olam, Winnipeg, Secretary Tory Assodlation. Order in Council, 50 miles, Sturgeon Bay, Dec. 4,1882. EpwABD D. Black, Monlreal. Order in Council, 50 miles, Warpath River. Nov. 22, 1882. P. B. NoRMAND, Three Rivers, Que., leading Tory. Order in Council, 50 mileB, Limestone Bay, May 6, 1882. Charles Maobe, Ottawa, leading Tory. Order in Council, 50 miles, March 4. 1882. James Murray, St. Catharnes, tesiimonlal subv nber. Ordei' ::. Council, 50 miles, Swan River, Julp 5, 1882. T, B. Vanassb, Three Rivers, Que., leading Tory. Order in Council, 50 miles,. Lake Winnipeg, May 1, 1.882. Fergus O'Connor, Billings' Bridge. Order in Council, 50 miles, English River, March 8, 1882. Jacob Erratt, Ottawa, Tory alderman. Order in Council. 50 miles. Lake Winnipeg, Nov. 24, 1882. John Riordan andCosgrave & Co. (Riordan of Mail). Order in Council, 50 miles. Jumping River. G. F. BRiSKBOis,Minnedosa, Man., Tory Regis- trar. V Order in Council, 50 miles, Vallov River, Man., Oct. 3, 1882. H. A. D. Armstrong, Civil Engineer, Tory. Order in Council, 50 miles. Red Deer River. Doc. 6, 1882. Thos. J. VV.\llace «l' Co., Woodbriilgft, Ont , supposed a brother of Wallace, M. P. Order in Council, 50 miles, Lake Winnipeg, April 6, 1882. R. G. W. McQuAiG, Ottawa, Tory, brother of ex-M. P. Oi-der m Council, 50 miles, Black River, Dec. 22. 1882. Alfred Watts, Brantford, — License, 20 miles, Manitoba, Jan. 10, 1881. Geo. a. Hughes, Montreal. Order in Council, 50 miles, Fisher River, March 14, 1882. H. V. Noel, Ottawa. Order in Council, 50 miles, Lake Winnipeg, Nov. 22, 1882. A. J. Christie, Ottawa. Order in Council, 00 miles, Manatagoo River, Dec. 21, 1882. J. W. Montague, Braeman, Ont. Order in Council, 50 miles, Manitoba, April 3, 1884. Thos. Higginson, Ottawa. Order in Council, 50 miles, High River, Alberta, Feb. It, 1884. Stewart Mulvey, Winnipeg, defeated Tory candidate. Order in Council, 50 miles, Shawendola Lake, April 30; 1884. W. H. Plummer. Sault Ste. Marie, defeated Tory candidate. Order'in Council, 33 miles, Lac des Mille Lacs, Oct. 9, 1884. H. H Smith, Peterborough. Ordpr in Council, 50 miles, Alberta, April 30, 1884. R. A. Morrow, Peterborough. Order in Council, 50 miles, "High River, May 23, 1884. C*PT. Alex. Bowie, Ottawa. Order in Council, 50 Miles, Lake Winnipeg, $5 bonus, June 4, 1883. G. R. KiNGSMiLL, Ottawa, immigration agent and Toronto Man employee. Order in Council, SO'miles, Lake Winnipeg, $1 bonus, Feb. 5, 1884'. N. F. Patterson, Port Perry, Ont., Tory ex- candidate. Order in Council, 50 miles. Lake of the Woods, Dec. 11, 188S. James Qotnn, Orillia, ex-Tory candidaie. Order in Council, 50 miles. Alberta, May 15, 1884. George Goodwin, Ottawa, Tory contractor. Order in Council, 50 miles, Winnipeg River, March 15, 1883. Alexander McInnes, Hamilton. Order in Council, 50 miles, English River, Feb. 9, 1885. J. W. McRae, Ottawa. Order in Council, 50 mile?, Kogasikok, Man. Apnl 1,1884. Henry BuLMER,jun.. Montreal. Order in Council, 50 miles, Keewatin, Dec. 1, 1883. "- T. W. Currier, Ottawa. Order in Council, 50 miles, Quetico River, Man., April 12, 1884. MICHAEL CouGULi.N, Ottawa. Order in Council, 50 miles, Winnipeg River, June 11, 1884. W. B. ScARTH, Toronto, Tory man-of-all-work. Order in Council, 50 miles. Hunter's Island, Au^. 1 1, 1883. :(ficeuse issued, Oct, 24, 1864, L. OnvBR, Barrie, Order in (council, 50 miles, Hunter's Island, August 11, 1883. WM cKay, Ottawa. Order in Council, 50 miles, Rainy Lake, Feb. 5, 1884. G. D'Arcy Boulton, Toronto, Tory lawyer. Order in Council, 50 miles, Red Deer River, April 1, 1884. John B. Spraoub, Winnipeg, Tory worker. Order in Council, 50 miles, Rainv Lake, Jan. 23, 1884. R. M. Cakroll, Ottawa, relative of [Ion. W. J. Howlan. Order in Council, 50 miles. Porcupine Hills, Jan. 23, 1884. John Stewart, Ottawa. Order in Council, 50 miles, Assinlboine Rivor, April 1, 1884. J. 8. McGr\cken, Ottawa. Order in Council, 50 miles, Lake Laurence, May 23, 1884. Tnos. BiRKETT, Ottawa. Order in Council, 50 miles. Sturgeon Lake, Man., Jan. 23, 1884. Wm. Wilson, Montreal. Order in Council, 50 miles, War Path River, Dec. 27, 1883. A. T. McCoRD, Toronto, lieutenant of A, Boultbee. Order in Council, 50 miles, Lac Seul, Keo- watin, March 14, 1882, Now, these are a portion only of the names. The total number of Orders in Council granting limits, to February, 1886,was560, BO far as I have examined the records. The number not giveu in foregoing list is 338, The total number of square milos granted to February, 1885, is 26,300, *nd the total number of acres, 16,192",200, making a quantity two-thirds as great as the total amount of the cultivated laud in the Dominion in 1881 ; and it is possible, if we had last year's record, from February, 1885, bo the present time, we would find the Government had issued Orders in Council covering an area of timber limits equal to the entire amount of cultivated land in the Dominion in 1881. Mr ORTON. How much money was received 1 Mr, CHARLTON. |5 a mile. An hon. MEMBER. How much did you expect to receive ? Mr CHARLTON. I can give yon a little correspondence, but I shall not read it hU. » * ♦ Here is a telegram from the hon. member for Lincoln (Mr, Rykert), dated Ottawa, 5th July, 1882 : '' Will yon please push through Order in Council for coal liceniei and that limit for Orr J" (Signed) "T. C. RVKERT." There is another letter from the hon. member for Lincoln urging that a certain supporter of my hon. friend for Monck, should receive timber limits ; Mr. James Mitchell, of Castorville, is anxious to get a limit to cut timber in the North-Weat. Mr. McCALLtTM. He is not in my county at all. Mr. CHARLTON. I aaid that Mr. James Mitchell, of Castorville, a friend and supporter of Mr. McCallum,is anxious to get a permit to cut timber in the North- West. Tho letter is signed, J. C. Rykert. Mr. McOALLUM. I have lots of fi lends in this country. Mr. BLAKE. Have they all got timber limits'? Mr. WHITE (Cardwell), No, nor harbor contracts either. Sir RICHARD CART WRIGHT. Is I it usual to get them at the price 1 Mr. CHARLTON. Mr. Pope, the Minister ot Agriculture, seuds his private secretary to obtain an answer to the tollowiaig memorandum to the Hon. D. L. Macpherson : — h " 1st. T. P. Buck applies for timber bert :*orcupi obtain it ? applie; irFort on Porcupine Hill near Fort McLeod. Can h " 2nd. H. Bailey ajiplies for a timber per- mit in the disputed territory. What answer can Mr. Pope give him 'I " 3rd. A. Herm'^ 4 Co., of Gait, ask a free grant of land on which to erect flouring mills. Would the Minister of Interior accord this ? " This was addressed to Mr. Lind.say Russell. We have here correspondence from Mr. McMillen with i-elation to J. G. Dawes ; correspondence from Dr. Orton, M. P., with an application for George D. Farmer ; correspoudonoefrom D, Macmiilan, M.P,, making an application for himself j 4D^ cofrefipondence from Thomas Scott, M. P., and Joseph Tasso, M. P., supporting George H. Bradbury, a stiong supporter of the Government ; correspondence from Adolphe Caron. M. P. : " Dear Mr MACPHERSON,~May I ask you to hurry up the granting of the license applied for by Mr. William Sharpies on the Red Deer River." And it was hun-ied up, and Mr Sharpies, who is a brother in-law of Sir Adolphe, got his license. Correspondence from S. R. Hesson, for his son-in-law, Mr Symons : " Some time ago I wrote you on behalf of Harry Symons, Esq, of Toronto, for timber limits on the Saskatchewan. Y^)ur reply was that a previous application was iv. for same. WiUyou now do me the favor of changing tha#^|pplication to Cedar Lake, as Mr. Symons is the only applicant now for that place. I hope you will enter his name at once, and, he will comi^lete the application forthwith. As Mr. S. is a particular friend of mine, I hope you will see to this at once." Mr. HES80N. Anything wrong about that ? • Mr. CHARLTON. I think not. I think that was very paternal. Here is also an application from Mr. Ilesson for Mr. James Robb, setting forth that he had been editor of a local paper, and that, if he got the limit, he woukl not be un- grateful. Here is an application from S. R. Hessoa for J. P. Woods ; an appli- cation from Mr. Hesson for J. Grayson Smith ; an application from T. N, Gibbs and S. B. Heason for T. H. Taller .; an application from Mr. H. Cameron for a reputed partner of his, Mr. William .Mackonzie. I shall not trouble the House witl^ any further reference to this cor- respondence, as the hour is growing late. Mr. HESSON. Give us a history from Michigan. Mr. CHARLTON. I might. People who obtain timber limits in Michigan pay tor them like honest men and obtain them in competition with other men, they will not get a paternal CJovernment to give them a limit for f 250 which they oan fieU tor $100,000. About Ranche Oompanies. Leas* 8 of Pasture Lands have been made without asking for competion at 1 cent per acre rent or* equal to 6 per cent on 1 6 cents an acre. These leases have been made to friends with no restric- tion except that not more than 100,000 acres should be leased to one party. A return recently brought down shows that on March 1st, 1886, 2,452,610 was under lease to 58 companies, 38 Companies with 1,592,290 acres had cattle on their holdings, 20 companies with 869,320 acres ha'i no cattle on their holdings. The total number of cattle sheep and horses upon these ranches was 63,714, or one I for each 38 acres, showing that leases had I been made far in advance of actual wants, as was only natural when it cost only one dollar ayeartohold 100 acres. From the vast area placed under lease, the Government has received a total revenue of only $66,255. Lands ought not to have been leased faster than required, and when leased should have been put up at auction and sold to the highest bidder. About Coal Land Leases. The policy with regard to coal land leases has been equally reprehensible. The returns brought down to February 1883 show that 449 applications were made. In the list of applications mem- bers of Parliament as figured as follows : ■J. C. Patterson, M.P. 4 Applications C. 0. Colby, M.P. 1^ « John Haggart,* M.P. (( A. Boultbee, M.P. it Thos Scott, M.P, « Hon T. N. Gibbs, M,P. i< Hector Cameron, M.P. >( J. G. Blanchet, M.P. (( Dalton McCaxihy ,M.P. <( J. C. Rykert. MP. << Robert Hay, M.P. <( ♦John Haffgart M.P. denied that ho had applied for a coal leaae. On tlie following day Mr. Charlton produced the oiflcial copy of hie letler of application to the Department dated Doc. 9, 1S8'2 npplyiug for a mining location. And tho copy of the reply of the Department addressed lo John Ha^gart. M.P.. acknowlodjjing receipt of applica- tion and dated uec. 15, 1883. See Hansard May «, 41 es. e been ion at 6 per B leases reatric- 100,000 •ty. A w9 that ,s under ies with a their 20 acres 3. The horses , or one ases had il wants, 3St only s. From jase, the revenue b not to required, )een put highest Lses. )al land bensible. ebraary 118 were |us mem- f;jllow8 : tjlications u (I It u it «t (< it ) -George Hubbard M.F. 1 Applicationa also Sir A. T. Gait ? " fion. John Norquav 2 " Nicholas Flood Davin 1 " Edward Farrar 1 " As the returns have not yet not been brought down later than 1888, I am unable to say what number of these applications were granted, but I say unhesitatingly that the principle was u vicious one beciuse the principle of competition was not introduced and the Government was i^arty to a plan for permitting its friends quietly to monop- olize the coal supply of the North "West to the lasting injury of the settler. / About Oclonization Land Grants- Mr. CHARLTON. Cominj: to other parts of the Government policy, 1 i-efer to colonization plan No. 1. That plan was adopted on 23rd December, 1881. It was adopted just upon the eve of a ■dissolution of this House. Whether it wasad.jpted expressly fo'" the purpose of attaching to the Gyvernment a large spec- ulative interest, I am unable to say, but whatever might have been the intention of the Government, tlie result was to attach to the interest of the Governmtmt a very groat and powerful speculative interest in land. The results, of course, o( these investments in colonization lands have not been as favorable as those who invested anticipated. This has been largely due, perhaps, to the fact that the Government granted these lands to spec- ulators. Nothing perhaps*^has had a more unfavorable influence upon the settlement of the North-West than thrf fact thiit the Government acted upon applications for blocks of laud which were to be given to speculators, if they confirmed to the con- ditions, at half the price the settler had , to pay for the land. The rush under this ! plan No 1 was something phenomenal. ! TJie on'er was issufid on the 2.3id of Dec- j ember, 1881. I see by returns that on I the Ist January, 1888, one year and eight | tlavs after the order had been issued, I after the colonization plan had been made, that the numl)er of applications made during that time was 251, and they covered 2,295 townsliips of land. The members who applied for colonization lands in that brief period were as follows : Robert Hay. M. P. applied for 6J Robert Hay M.P.. do 2 Roberfc Hay aud awociatAS do Robert Hay, do Col. Williams, M.P , do Geo. A. Drew, M.R, do C. H. Mackintosh, M. V. ass's do John While, M.P.; do do Geo. Guillet, M.P., dodo Geo. Guillet, M.P., do do C. F. Forguaoa, M.P., do Hugo Krantz, M.P. , do T Valin, M P., &G, Ross do Thos. Arkell, M. P ,& ass's do Wm. Elliott, M.P, do do M. H. bault, do 2 ,'i H 4 7 4 10 3 5 o o TowqahI{;i. do do do do do do do do do do d<> do do do do Mr GAULT. No, Sir, my name is found nowhere on the books. Mr. CHARI;TON. This is taken from the Sessional Papers of 1888, Volume 16, No. 12, Return No. 84. Mr. GAULT. |p&ver spent one cent, and had nothing to do with any territory in the North- West. I went up there to buy land, but I saw so much of it that I came away.* Mr. CHARLTON, applications. This refers to the I will read on : Robert DouU, M.P., app'd for 4 Towii.ship*. Geo. P. OrtoaM.P., do C. P.Ferguso'.M.P. 4 ass'sdo P. Valin, W.P., do .J . C. Patterson &. 'a«Bociates do 6 6 1 1 1 6 do do do do do do do J. S. McCuaig, M.P., do •r«mei< Boaty, M.P., do J. B Daouit, MP. do Clarke ^^ allac?, M.P. and asrtooiates, - - do (• do C. C. Colby, M P., & oth'rs do f> do Senator Almon acid others do 12^ do D. Macmillun, M.P., di 6 do Here are the names of twenty-one mem- of Parliament making apjdications for land to the Government, to be received on conditions so favorable that they ox- pect^-d to secure these lands at half price, or $1 an acre. In addition. Sir A. T. , •On Tuesdav, May llth. Mr. Oault said in his place in the House that ha found that he had made application for foaxe friends. ■Hn 42 Gait applied for fifty townships, and that gentleman was allowed $1,500 from the Trpasury of Canada to pay his expenses while he went to the North-VVest to select his land. Here are other names : Wm. Pharple*, applied for 2 Townbhipi, Robert Henry & others do 4 do H. Symmes, do 6 do D. Tisd le, do 6 do A. T. Drummond, d-* 17 do Thof. L iDg & Geo. Moberly, do 15 do A. VetfruBon, do 39 do D. Tisdale, do 6 do Now, Sir, the application s) made in the space of one year and eight days, covered 2,295 townships in the North-West ; and the eflfect, I repeat, of this scheme upon the elections of 1882, was ^ ery marketl indeed. Seeking Political Help of Spec- ulators. Every speculator who embarked in this speculation, coveriiMithis vast area, was a friend of the GovernOitfent ; it was in his interest that the Government should bo niaintain(!d, that the regulations by which he was to receive land at half price, should not be rescinded by another Gov- ernment adopting an honest policy ; and for that reason no more potent factor in the elections of 1 882 exerted its influence upon that result, than the policy of the Government with regard to the coloniza- tion plan No. l,so called. And the Govern- ment, now that the result has hardly been jis tliose gentlemen anticipated, is adopt- ing a plan to let then\ out as easily as pos- sible ; those who have taken blocks of townships and have made partial pay- ments, are to be permitted to consolidatt; their interest, to select such parts of the township as they may choose — and, of course, they will select the cream of the thing — and the jmyments made covering the whole tract aru permitted to be con- centrated upon the best portions of the township, and they will receive land in acxjordance with the payments made l>e it more or less, and their interests so far as the Government can care for them, will be carefully guarded. Members Invited to ask Favors In all these matters to which I have referred, members of this House have had the inside track. They have had the ear of the Government ; they have known what the Government plans were. They could go to the various Departments and lay their case before the Government, and they al- ways found in those Departments friends willing to oblige them. They were in point of fact invited to ask favors of the Government, and they never came to the- Government and asked a favor in vain. Mr. Speaker, I have approached this su'^ject with personal regret. Whether hon. gentlemen opposite will believe me or nob, it is not a task congenial to me to probe this matter and expose these irregularities on the part of the Govern- ment. The task has fallen upon me, and I have endeavoured to discharge it in a spirit of fairness and as temperately as pos.sible. No doubt many hon. gentle- men on the opposice side of the Houae^ probably all hon. gentlemen opposite, feel they have pursued a proper course in these matters, and do not see anything irregular in receiving bonuses Irom the Government for their private purpos'^s, — in receiving timber limits from the Government for themselves and their friends without the limits being put ip to comi>etitiiin, and in making .«1 00,000 out of $250 in one admitted case. They may have such peculiar views, about political and moral ethics as to see nothing wrong in these transactions. But I am Tumble to agree with them, and I conceive it to be a part of my duty as an independent member of Parliament who desires the good of his country to denounce such conduct. The whole sys- tem h subversive of the independence of Parliament. It is incompatible with a nice sense of political honor ; it is calcu- lated to control action and conciliate sup- port by the use of corrupt methods, and it is a system that should excite alarm in the breast of every member of this House and every citizen of Canada for the future of this country. I beg to move in amend- 43 ■ i^ ment thereto to leave out all the words after the word " that," and add the foL lowing instead thereof : — " The practice of members of the Honse ap- plying for and beooming penonally iotereated Id the diapoaal by the Crown of those pabiio rcMoroet, which, ar^dealt.with ky the £xeon» tivei or by Parliement on ite recommendation, hM grown to alarming proportions, is in it* natnre liable to abase, has in fact been abased, and should be cheeked, in order to avoid last* ing injory to the pnblio interest and to re^tore and maintain the independence of this Hotue.'* in vain. EXTKACTS FROM THE SPEECH OP Mr. Paterson, Esq., M.P., ON THE APRIL 2nd, 18S6. Mr. PATERSON (Bi-ant). It has been very pleasant to me to listen to ray lion. friend opposite (Hon. T. White), and to observe the righteous indignation which possessed him as he surveyed the late Fi- nance Minister (Sir Richard Cartwright). The hon. gentleman ruakea the mistake of supposing that he and his colleagues are the country. Now there never was a great- er mistake than that. There was a country here before the hon. gentlemen occupied seats on the Treasury benches. I think there was a country in many respects more prosperoub ohaa it has i)een since they have taken their places there, ard when I say that, I speak, of course, compara- tively. ♦ * * Sir, we believe that we have a country that should have taken leaps and bounds almost infinitely gi^eater than it has taken under them. Hon. gentlemen opposite think they have fulfilled all the duties of their position, that they deserve •redit for well managing the afifairs of this country, if they can prevent us going on the down grade — we, with millions and tens of millions of acres of land, inviting settlers of other countries ; we, who have spent two or three millions of money in inducing immigrants from other countries to come here ! After all this they point to the re^jult of their management for a period of six oi* seven years, and claim that we haveactually maintained our own natural increase in the country. What a great record ! how the gentlemen boast ! Well, they know they are not capable of much, and they are to be excused for boasting of little. * * * The Public Debt. I will not attempt to follow my hon. friend in all the statements he has made, but I will touch upon some points he has allitded to, and I think I shall be aVile to present another view of the question. He has touched upon public debt, has dwelt largely upon that, and has endeavored to controvert the position taken by the hon. member for South Huron. He speaks of our national debt as if it were not a matter of gi-eat consequence. He tolls us thac the in- terest upon our national debt ia uot a* i4 1 great deal more now thi^n it was 8ome years ago, and he claims that the reason why we are not paying much more interest now than we did a few years ago, is owing to the ex- tellent management of affairs by the pre- sent Government. They take to them- selves the whole credit of having reduced the rate of interest throughout the world. Yet, I suppose, hon. gentlemen opposite, although we might '^ -^se from some of their utterances diey lelgned ignorance, would not care really to admit such igno- rance as not to be cognizant of the fact that the rate of interest is low at the present time everywhere. While it must be admitted that su«b ■■»* *b"' case, they have the supreme eifrjnt^Kj to clsiiai ?t is ^ue to the action of the UC'»c _/.ient dur- ing recent years. v,hereb> a ICJ.;. an be placed on the n.cuoy nr^rket at «. .v. .''er rate of interest iv'^v.-- th.u "r'V th ; <»Jie -eight or ten years ago. I au^ no. O'-'ev- statiug their case. The Finance Mmisior when speaking on this subject, gave us distinctly to understand that it was due to that cause, and that cause alone ; that it was the management of the affairs of the country by hon. gentlemen opposite. * * * What is the national debt of Can- ada to-day 1 Wo have it in figures given to us by the Finance Minister, and I invite the attention of the House to them and through the House the attention of the country. Our gross debt on Ist March, 1886, was $281,314,532. But the Finance Minister told us we had Assets to the value of $72,791,837, leav- ing a net debt of ^208,522,605. Now, I make the per capita amount ^45. The hon. gentleman who preceded me said it was $40.70. We must have taken a little difierent basis for the calculation, I fancy. However, the net debt as given by the Finance Minister was •on Ist March, taking the population at 4,700,000 on which we shall both agree, was equal to about $45 per head. * * * Let me state the amount of debt thai th(s Government has placed upon the counties, and let the people realize the fact that, though they may not realize and fairly appreciate the burden on ac- count of the manner in which the taxes are collected, yet each riding has to pay annually the interest upon, as their share of the public burden, no less than $988,- 259. Let each riding in this country re- member that this is their share of the public debt, and when I am speaking of that I am speaking of the net debt, and I am for the moment granting, which I do not grant, that the $72,000,000 are all available and interest bearing assets, which is not the case ; buo to make my position perfectly impregnable, I take the net debt, giving credit for all assets avail- able and interest bearing, and each riding in the Dominion has a burden upon it, in addition to all other hardens imposed by the municipality itself, of $988,259. But there are some counties that have two ridings, and on each county large enough to be divided in two, the debt is $1,976,511, or nearly .'vo millions on every county of two rid- Jngs as their share of the Dominion debt, the interest on which has to be toiled for by the people year by year and paid by them into the public treasury. But some of our large counties are divided into three ridings, and on each of those count- ies — Simcoe, Huron, Bruce, York and others— there is a debt of $2,964,777. * ♦ ♦ Annual Expenditure. But what is the position of our finances, now with reference to our annual receipts and expenditures ] Why, Sir, we find from the PuVilic Accounts which are now before us, that we have for the fiscal year 1BS5, which is fully closed, an exi)enditure of over $35, ;00, 000, with receipts of less than $3? ,000 000. We have the fact that hon. gentle- men opposite were unable, with all the excessive taxation they have levied on the people of this country, to make both ends meet, and they stand in their places to-day confessing to a deficit of $2,240, 059. This, after all their boasts of their superior management; this, after the boasts of their surpluses ; this, after their claims, of being able so to regtilate the affairs and finances of the country la that deficits would be things which would no more be heard of in tne landi. -And do they say that this state of. things ia only for one year 1 No, I am sorry to say if we take the financial year of 1886, which is not fully completed, the estimate of the receipts and expenditures of that year was given to us by the Finance Minister himself, and what is the tale that they telll He says he estimates that our receipts will be $33,550,000, and that our expenditure will be $38,- 500,000. It is seven years since they last entered upon office, and our expenditure has run up from about $24,000,000, un- til the Finance Minister told us that at the close of 1886 it will amount to $38,- 000,000. ♦ * ♦ These are the Gentlemen who claimed that they had the power, and who made pledges to the people of this country, that they would govern Can- ada with less money than was required by the late Finance Minister, and they sit in their places to-day with almost every promise they made to the people of this country, violated; with almost every pledge broken, finable to point to scarce a single thing they have done which has really been in the interests of the country or for which they can claim the slightest credit. No, there they are; the country is rushing head- long into debt and they are unable to keep their expenditure within their income, but they leave us with their anticipated deficit this year amounting to $4,950,000 as stated by the Finance Minister himself. Oil, but he is going to ease us in thi8, and liow is he going to do it ? Well, he is just going to take $3,500,000 of this de- ficit and charge it to Capital Account, and he is thus going to reduce the deficit to ."$1,450,000. Will placing it to capital account pay it ? We gene- rally supposed that what is placed to lapital account is something for which we have assets to show ; but what assets ahU we have for this $3,500,000 1 A. paitiiUly blackened and ruined country, graved on the western prairie, tbe amoke^ of gun-powder, one or two knighthoods ;. and for this the people of the country ar^ to have $3,500,000 added to their debt, ♦ ♦ ♦ Immigration, I charge the Ministers of the day with having been utterly reckless in their expenditure of money for proiuoting Im-« Diigration ; I charge them with having squandered millions of the people's money without achieving any good result what- ever. In Canada, which ought to h» able to retain its own population within its borders, we find that daring the last six years, when we ought to have had a natural increase of 2 per cent, per annumi on a moderate estimate, we had only an increase of about 1 ^ per cent. ; and Uy achieve that result we spent, during those six years, f.2,403,266. ♦ * f In. answer to a question the other day,' the Minister of Agriculture stated that the population of Manitoba was now 125,000. Wf! learn, by actual count, that the three districts of the NortJi-West contain 48,363 souls ; so that the total population in Manitoba and the three districts of the North-W^est, including Indians, is 173,363. Now, according to the census of 1881, the population of that country was 122,400. What is the result 1 In five years the population of our whole North-West and the Province of Mani- toba has inoi-eased just 50,963 souls. That is the result of live years' labor ; that is the result of the expenditure of nearly two millions and a half of dollars to promote immigration ; that is the result of giving away Inns of millions of dollars to aid the Canadian Pacific Railway ; — a poor 50,9'a8 extra souls ab ive what were there in 1881 when the census was taken. * "^ * In 1880 the First Minister gave us 'a calculation of the settlers we might expect to go there. He gave us a table showing that there were to be 30,000 in 1881, and 5,000 addi- tional ir. each yeai* afterwards ; so that ])y the end of 1885 there would, accord- ing to his calculation, have gone into that 46 l!i country 200,000 souls. Now. those 200,000 souls — and it was a moderate estimate on his part — added ^o the 122,000 there, when tlie censuH was taken, would have made 322,000 souls, while we have actually only 173,363 there. The First Minister thought this estimate was under che mark, judging by the experience of the Western States, when he said that in 1885, 50,000 settlers wouldgointo thatcountry. Howmanyac- tually wentinl The Ministerof Agriculture gave us the figures the other day in reply to an hon. gentleman opposite him, and they were 7,240 souls. * * * State of Trade We have had statements made by the hon. gentleman who pre- ceded me, as well as by tho Finance Minister, with refei-ence to the state of trade. They have been forced to admit that it I3 not quite as satisfactory as it should be, but still, they say it is in a better condition than it was a few years ago. * * ♦ We have had some increasm, but the sum total of our exports shows that we were only able iu 1885 to export $3,181,500 worth, while in 1878 we ex- ported $4,127,755 worth. * * * The hon. gentleman who has preceded me, when he spoke before, pointed out that we were not exporting because our people were all manufacturing for the home mar- ket, but unfortunately that is not che cfcse. The Imports of those very articles which we are manu- facturing for the home market, have been greater in 1885 tha.i they were in 1878, which is proof positive that the manu- facturer of those goods has not the home market in 1885 to the same extent that he had in 1878. "^ * * Thf» Finance Min- ister dwelt upon the benelit; his taritt has, been to the farmers. There is an industry which concerns the fanners as well as the luanufacturers, to which I wish to refer. I mean the Flour Industry, which comes next in importance, and in the amount of oapit*l it employs and ui its output, to the saw milling industry. We used to liear moaning and wailing because American flour was consumed by Canadians, and the Government asked that a duty shoald be put on the American flour in order that our people should be compelled to buy Canadian flour made out of Canadian wheat. Have we accomplished that? In 1878 we im- ported of American flour 314,520 barrels. Then tho Government put on their tarifl' of 50 cents a barrel to prohibit that coming in, and, notwithstanding that in 1885 we imported 540,108 barrels of American flour, or 225,588 barrels more than in 1878. Was that to the benefit of the farmers 1 Did that benefit the Canadian millerl Then they were going to benefit; the coal industry. Let us take, fii"st, the importations of Goal and Ooke, and what do we find 1 In 1885, we im- ported 1,953,948 tons; in 1878, we im- ported 896,446 tons, making an increased import of coal in 1885 over 1878 of 1,057,502 tons; or, in other word3,wehaTe an increased irapox't of 118 per cent, on coal ill .1885 over 1878. In 1885 we find that Maritime Provinces exported 479,706 tons, and, in 1878, they exported 840,- 127 tons. Thun, we had an increased export of coal iu 1885 over 1878 of 139,- 579 tons to set off against the increased, import of 1,057,502 t^ns. In other words, our imports increased 118 per cent., while our exports increased but 41 pet cent. ; and thus it is they have bene- fitted our coal industry. Now, although this duty on flour and this duty on coal have failed to accomplish what hon, gentleman said they would, -^ they have not failed in one respect. They had given the Government an amount of revenue, for there was paid, by way of taxes on coal, in 1885, $1,072,161, and by way of duty on flour, iu 1885, $270, 054 ; or a total duty on flour and co}»l amounting to $1,342,215. Now, let these gentlemen, with their ^4,900,000 deficit, place the tarifi" as it was placed by the hon. member for South Huron (Sir 47 IRicbard Cartwright). If their flour and •coal dutieH were wiped out, we would have, instead of a deficit of $.'i,000,000 tor 1886, a deficit of $6,300,000. * *= "^ We have Been told time and again by these gentlemen that tilings are not dearer in Canada than they are in the neigh- lx>ring Repu])lic, that they ooat no more here than they do across the border. Tlrnt may be true. I am not in a position to say, or rather I will not assume to say, that it is not true, but I would lik« to risk tlie Minister of Customs one question. If he takes that position, if it be true that goods are as cheap in all lines in C!anada <\s they are in. the United States, how is it that some people are so silly as to go to all the expense, and risk, fine and imprisonment, in order to smuggl-i goodn which can be obtained just as cheaply in the country itself? Do they smuggle for the m 're fun of the thing] Do they risk incarceration in the gaols of the country, and the fines and imprison- ment which the Minister of Customs is so frequently imposing for that ? If not, what do they do it for 1 Is it just for the fun of being caught 1 It must be just l>ecause they like it. Everything is as cheap here as over there, and the men like to have the fun of the Minister catching them. That can be the only reason !**^"" to notice the Now, Ml'. Speaker, I come Concluding Remarks of the hon. gentleman who preceded Tne in his brief reply to statements that had been made l)y the hon. member for South Huron with reference to the corruption that prevailed amoiigst mom- iMjrsof Parliament and in the couutiy. And he attempted to defend it ; nay, he attempted, so far as the members were ooucemed, to say that no such thing ex- isted. Well, Sir, I hope and trust it is so, and that a future meeting of the com- mittee may wipe out that dread doubt that has entered into some people's minds that there has been traffic on the part of certain members of Parliament to a great- er extent than merely writing a letter for a friend to the Department of the Inter- ior. But, Sir, he attempted to defend the people of the country against the charges that, he said, were levied against them by the ex-Finance Minister, that they were morally and politically bliod, because they had seen tit, in 1878, to dis- possess him of office and to put them back in office, and he seemed to think it was jealousy on the part of the hon. member for South Huron, and that was the rea- son why he condemned the people of the country as unable to understand theii* own best interesta. He told us the j)eople saw that. But the people saw more than that, Mr. Speaker. The people saw, in 1878, when they did dis- possess that gentleman of power, they saw gentlemen claiming to be men whose words might be taken, whose promises might be relied upon, that if they were to put th it gentleman aijid his colleagues out of position and put them in their places, they wonld then better the condi- tion of every man, woman and child iu this country. The people took them at their word, a portion of the people believed them, and placed them in their position. But, to-day. Are those Gentlemen wiliing to rely upon the fulfilment of their prom- ises made to that electorate, in order to secure a return to power ? Did they, in 1882, rely upon them? We know what the people of the country know, and what thti people saw — that they could not trust themselves, oven at that early day, uf>ou the records they had made for themselves, and before they dared to appeal to the elec- torate they had to gerrymander, in the moat cowardly manner, in a manner that was unworthy of men who bear the name of Britons, they had to cut and carve in the constituencies of the great Province of Ontario, in order that Liberals might not be returned, and that they themselves, afraid to stand upon their own records, might thus secure a majority for them- selves. Not content with that. Sir, they stated to the people, already deceived by 48 I ! I them once : "Put us back again, Uid tkere are millions and tons of millions of capital waiting to be inyeHted in manu* facturing enterprises in this country." I aak them them to- Canadian tax- payers nineteoj cents per pound, was nol suitable to the l^idiun palate, the Indian^ II feeding always on buiralo meat ; when Lon^ Lodge ofTerod to accept hair a pound of steor boef, costing a Yoric sliilling a pound dead woigl)l, in place nt' a pound of bacon co!«iiD^ nineteen cents ; when Long liOdgu .^aid the bacon was "hurting his peoplu be- cause it was not their food," Mr. Dewdney said " the Indiana should eat the bacon oi; die, and bo d d to thom." This ^as not said in hasto, hut at Ins honor's leisure. Ho did not say it because his IVic-nd iho conlnn'tor, who happened to bo in a land syndicato with him, haci UO.OOO pounds or that bacon to dis- pose of, but becausoho wished to indoctrinate the savage with tht^iasiosoftheavoraKt.' while man." Oondemned by ftiends. The Ottawa Su.n, another paper uot un- friendly to this Adniiniatration^ speaking of the orticials in tho North- West, yay.s : " The country has been cursed with an un- scrupulous and tyrannical ollicialdoni, and to this cause may bo traced the origin of iho pn^sent trouble. .Junius tells us something about public men who suddenly became rich, which may be properly applied to Lieutenant- Governor Dowdney. That gentleman, when lie came to Ottawa in 1h72, was practically a pauper. To-day he is a wealthy man. He did not save his wealth out of his salary." Tlie attention of the Government 1, been drawn to the conduct of this man, to the actions of this man, yet up to this hour the first step has not been taken to remedy the wrong that is alleged to have been perjKstrated by him. . . Mr. Jackson, a member of the North- West Council, a life-long Conservative, a man who boasts that he has been an unswerving and faithful supporter of the First Minister of this Dominion fbr A period of twenty five years, in a speech delivered by him at Qu'Appelle in January last, thus speaks of Lieutenant-Governor Dewdney and the oflS.cial8 of the North- West Territory ; I have shown you that he (Dewdney) iiad neglected his duties, and prostituted his position as Indian Commissioner ; that he lias allowed people to starve to death. I can show you that ho said at Qu'Appelle Station that the Indians of the north might give trouble, but that he felt sure the Indians of Treaty No. 4 would give no trouble to the Government. If that is the fact, and if he allowed men, women and children to go to their death without a warning, that man was accessory before the fact." (Loud cheers.) The eyidence of Ohristian Mia- sionariea Mr. McDougall, oi\o of tho Methodist missionarieH, who has devoted hiti life to the service of elevating, educating, oiviIi« sing and christianising the Indianv, thns »peakti of the olliciala ; " Mr. McDougall points out the groat liifliiuliy of goviTning from Ottawa, and says tljat ' laws were enactnfl which could not bft enfor:«d ; fulhennore dimply unfit men were appointed to ollice wiiliout any knowledge of tiio nature of the work expected of them, the Iny the Indians iwe were universally ,.nowft lo be brutal wrcichtv such as I haw mentioned, and the priests lost their lives in attempting to save Ur^m from tho pent-up wratli of the savagcii." Mr. MITCHELL. Whose report ia that ] Mr. CAMERON (Huron). That of the Hon. Lawrence (Jlarko, formerly a membor of the North- West Council. He proceeds : " Let a conimissioner bo appointed or a commitleeof Parliament, and I pledge myself to show to the peo[»lt) of this Doiiimon such a picture fcf the facts as will raako tliem won- der how it is that rebellion did not break out years ago. Had not the Indians been re- strained by Iho j)riost8and ministers, the farm instructors and otho'- paid politicians appoint- ed over them would have been killed, long ago." Archbishop Tache, in his manifesto, speaking of the Indian troubles, says : " There were some well qualillnd men but important posts were assigned to men totally uuqualiliod for the position, while other per- sons perfectly apt have been dismissed or left aside because ten, fifteen, or twenty years previously they were political opponents." m ;mi 62 I I Mr. Jackson, in his speech at Qu'Appelle, from which I have just quoted, said : " A white man never believes in him (Dowdnoy). Tho Indian thinks of him as. a man who does not toll the truth to-day, but might to-morrow ; but that to-mori'ow never comes. (Laughter."') Tho Winnipeg Times, swaking of Lieu' tenant-Governor Dewdney, srad : " For the first time in tho history"~of the British nation the representative of the Queen is known to the savage as a liar." • ••••••»•• Driven to Insurrection. I Btiy it is a marvel to me, not that the Indians took up arms against the sove- reign power of this country, but the niar- veJ to mo is that long years ago the Indians did not protest in the only way known to them against the misconduct, nuiladministrntion, incapacity and cul- pable neglect of this Administration. . . An organ of the (jrovemment, three years ago, cali?:d public attention to the fact that one of the agents of this Administration was living on a reserve, beneath the shadow of the Methodist mission, in open adultery with two young s({uaws. Tho Government were aware of it, but the Government never moved, never en- quired, never in\'estigated, and up to this hour, this unworthy representative of Ottawa officialdom administers Indian affairs in that particular locality ... A young Englishman was i^rovided for in tho Indian service of the North-West Territo/ies, fludlieliihsbeenlivingthero for thi-ee or foui- years revelling in the sensual enjoyments of a western harem, plenti- fully .supplied with select cullings from the western ()rairie flo^vers. We send missionaries of the (Jro.ss to the Nor th- West to educatp and ele\'ate, to civilise and christianise the Indians. . . . The debaeing influence of the officials. We send uiiesionaries, oflicial mis- sionaries, to the North-West Territoiies and debase the virgin daughters of the wards of the nation, and yet we find peoplo expressing their sur- prise and astonishment that th6 Indians do not take kindly to the ways of modem civilisation, .^rnd that after the munificent donations which Parliament votes every year to feed, clothe and keep in comfort the wild Indians of the plains, they are still dissatisfied, still discontented, still rebellious. . . If you refer to one of the re- ports of one of the Departments brought down last year, you will find that 45 per cent of one class of officials in the North- West were under medical treatment for a peculiar kind of disease in one year. . . The Mail newspaper, of the SOth of January, 188G, publishes an interview with one of the missionaries employed by one of the leading churches of the Dominion. That missionary said : " I3ul what we want in our rejorves are married men as employees, ttn.t a lew imndred dollars expended in pulling up houses for them \\ould pay in the end. And, lei me say, get Christian men : Ihank God theie are such lobe found ; and don't employ a nian because some influeniiai man down east wanls to gel a situation for him. Again, put a sloj) to while men living with Indian women unle-ss they are lawfully married to iheui. Where are the young girls of 13 to IG ihat have been partly tauvernment with the Indians for a long numbei- of years, Mr. McDonald an Indian agent publishes a letter from Poundmaker, in which Poundmaker uses the following language : — " It is Poundmaker who takes the liberty of sending you a few lines. We entreat Your Honor to send him the grist mill with hcrse-powor you kindly presented him at Cypress. We' expected. it last, summer, but in vain." Poundmaker says further : " Let me have the 22 oxen you promised for my band." G. McPherson, Indian agent. Bays : " The clothing for the chiefs and- council- lors was good, except the trousers and shirts which were inforior and worn out in three or Tour days." J. W. Ilerchraer, Indian, speaking of the Ssateaux band under ^outh Quill, says : '■ Hunting having failed in their neiglibor- hood, the band have beyn obliged to sell most ol their horses to buy supplies, and are now miserably poor." Miserably poor ! With the munificent donation voted by Parliament, and ex- pended last year, of some $1,109,000. Miserably poor ! And why 1 Because this Ciovenimeut negligently and care- lessly permit their contractors to supply these Indians with an article of wearing apparel that lasts the Indians only three day* An inspector reports : " The ])0tal0ffs and barley received last spring were hair rotten." The same inspector again says ; " Tliat the councillor complains that the quality of the hats, trousers and shoos receiv- ed by him were inferior." Mr. Herchmer, .speajfing of the Sioux bands, says : "A great deal of sickness has visited them lately caused by the want of fresh meat." W. Pocklington, speaking of the Stoney Indians, says : " During last winter there was a great deal of distress amojig ihem for want of clothyig, many of them nbt having a blanket to cover their nakeilness." •••••••••• Wc promised, and were under obligations to supply the Indiana, just fresh from the plains, from which the buffalo had di8a]ipeared, -vvith fresh beef. But in- stead of fresh beef, we supplied them with salt pork, tho\igh we could get fresh beef at from 8 to 1 j cents per lb., and had to pay for the pork, some of which was rusted at that, from 20 to 25 cents per ib. . . Diesase and Death dealt out by the pound. Mr. Herchmer, says : "A great deal of sickness has visited them latelv aused by the want of fresh meat.* The Indians, under treaty 4,reoeived in 188'i-5, $15,290.92 worth of pork, and f I,2S8.45 woi-th of beef, althougli it is known that beef Is life to the Indian, while salt pork is disease and death to him." S4 This bountiful, humane and attentive Crovemment, whoso duty it was to look after the interest of the Indians, sup- plied them witli twnlve pounds of disease and death to one pound of life. . . Agent Herchmer, in his report dated 24:th J uly, 1885, speaking of the types of disease among the Indians, says : "To Ihesi* might be addod 1 tijiuk the sud- den change from fresh meat oii the jprairies to flour and bacon in comparative oonunemeni^" And again at page (11, he says : " A.t Onk Hiver, ele\on men have died out or 88 heads of famiUes, and seventeen child- ren under three years old. This is very dis- tressing and is hard to account for — the change of diet, owing to the failure of hunt- ing, and scrofula, being probably the cause." It is very distressing, the agent patheti- cally says, while all the time these very agents were doing what they knew they ought not to have done ; namely, supply- ing these men with salt pork at 20 to 26 cents per pound when tliey could have got fi-esh beef at from 8i to 15 cents per pound Distress and misery ever3rwhere. We have allowed them to be robbed, swindled and cheated out of what they were entitled to, by the agents and the middlemen, that we gave them little or no clothing, and, to cap the cli- max of our criminality, we have allowed them to be frozen and starved to death. Mr. McDonald, Indian agent, published a letter fi-om Poundmaker, dated 1 0th November, 1882, in which the old chief says : "There is to-day great distress in my band. Their rations are suspended now for il days, and, of course, everybody is busy roving about and hunting. It is impossible to work on an empty stomach." Commissioner McLeod, in hi.s repoi't for 1879, says : " I have experienced great dilTiculty (with the distress and suilering) applications for relief being constantly made to me by the &tarYing bands of Indians." Again the Commissioner says : <' A Stoney Indian and his family had been wi'hout food for many days." Superintendent Walsh, iu his report for 1880, says : " Hunger aud sufToring prevailed. In some places persons became so reduced as to be unable to help themselves. The want of food followed by disease caused an epidemic, which marked its results by the many graves DOW to be seen in Wood Mountain." Monuments of violated promises. t The breach of faith, the. violated prom- ises, the broken pledges, the fraud and misconduct of the officials, the lobbing and cheating all around, the negligence and incompetency of this administration, are all marked by the graves of the In- dians on the fcide of Wood Mountain. The Commissioner of Indian Affairs in the North- West Territories luxuriated in his comfortable quarters in Hegina, and the Indians whom we are bound to pio- tect might starve to death and free/e to death as far as he was concerned .... Mr. Jackson, in his speech to which I havo already referred, said : "Now, I charge that at Indian Head, in the winter of 1883, several of the Indians died of starvation. When I stated that fact, 1 knew it to be a fact. The Lieutenant-Governor in his reply to me, brings a lot of documents, and the report of Dr. Edwards says that live men starved to death. Mr. I/ewdney said there was as much provisions at Indian Head. I know they were there ; but his fiat had gone forth not to feed them so rauoL, that Pi-a-pot was a bad piece of muslin, and that they must cut down the rutioris. And now, instead of five dying, il is a matter of my own know- ledge, a matter I can prove on oath, that in- stead of live dying there, 10 per cent, of all thfi Indians on the Indian Head reserve died through starvation in six months (that is 2(i per cent, per annum), This policy of starvation was adopted by the Agent General of Indian Affairs six years ago. It is a cruel and atrocious policy, it is a policy that ought not to prevail in any civilised country Mr. PockUngton, in his i^eport, says : "In Janizary, while visiting the Piegan Re- serve, I received a letter from Lieut.-Col, McLeod that 7a Slonies were in Pincher llreek in a ittarving condition. I started fur their camp at once, and found them in reality 85 slarvinf?, except for assistance given them by Col. McLeod aad other residents." The Government directly to blame. The Indiaus of the Noi-fch-West Ter- litories ha\^e been subjected to the great- eat possible suffering, the Government have permitted them to freeze to death and starve to death, and that in the raJdst of plenty, and with the bountiful donations of this Pai'liament for feeding and clothing the Indians. Dr. Ed- wards, an employee of this Government, reported to Commissioner Dewdney, and so scandalous and outrageous was the nature of that report, that Lieutenant- Governor Dewdney suppressed the original report, and it has not seen the light of day to this hour. This scandal- ous state of affairs was well known to this Administration. I,hold in my hands part of a speech made by Lieutenant- Governor Dewdney to the North- West Council during its last Session, as report- in the Regina Leader of the 10th Dec- ember, 1884, in which he says : "Shortly after they had taken up their resi- dences on the reserve, heaiing that there was d great deal of sickness in their band, we in- structed Doctor Edwards, who was liien in our employ, to make an inspection of Pi-a-pot's people. In his report whicii I now have be- i fore me he states in these words, 'some of J these Indians have died of starvation this i winter. They were ill and could not eat the I i)acon and flour." " i ask you, Mr. Speaker, I ask this House of Oommous, I aak the people of this country, if it is not a scandalous out- mge that, right under the shadow of the vice-regal establishment at Regina, at Indian Head, on the borders of the Canadian Pacific Bailway, the Indians should have been allowed to starve to .foath during last winter, and that in the uii(ist of plenty, with the enormous sums voted by this Parliament for the purpose of feeding and clothing the Indians. . . . An investigation demanded. I challenge this Administration now to issue a commission to investigate the matter. Id apj^oint a commission of sensible and honest men to in vestigate this whole question, and I believe that every statement I have made upon this subjf'ot is capable of the clear- est possible proof. I say a Government whioli has so neglected the first duties of a Government towards it wards deserves condemnation, deserves the severest con- demnation at the hands of the people of this country. That is not all. I say further, that the Indians, f^s I have shown, have been robbed, defrauded and swindled, frozen to death and starved tc death, and yeb we expect them' to be peaceful, submissive, faithful and loyal subjects of the Queen. And that in the face of the statement of the Agent-Gen- eral for Indian Affairs made in 1880 and re-affirmed in 1885 that the |)olicy of this Administration was a policy of sub- mission by a policy of starvation ; and that in the face of the report of Agent Herchmer sent to the Department that a little starvation would do the Indians good , and that in the face of the declara- tion of Governor Dewdney that if they did not eat salt pork they might die and be damned to them. With this cruel and brutal treatment of the Indians, with this cruel and brutal report of agent Herchmer, and with the admission of Lieut.-Governor Dewdney, need anyone wonder that the Indians are dissatisfied and discontented , Waste of Indian Funds. Now, accoixiing to the Indian report for 1886, the Indian population of the North- West Territories resident on the reserves, nnmbered 12,102, and they had under cultivation 4,614 acres, and to half cultivate this land the Govern- ment charge the Indian account in three years with ^87,444 worth of agricultural implements and tools. . . Is it not the faot — I charge that it is the fact, and I chal- lenge them to a scrutiny. I challenge them to appoint a commission or a com- mittee of this House to enquire into the matter — is it not a fact that in one of the bands numl)ering 1,KjO families they are charged in one year with 1,160 hoes, and 56 the very next year this same brmd are charged with 63 ploughs, 63 harrows, 14*. scythes, and 140 hay forks; and ti: 3 following year this same band are charged with 1,014 additional hoes ? Is it not the fact — I charge that it is the fact — that one band received in one year 50 ploughs, 320 scythes, 320 hay forks, and the very next year this same band is charged with $2,20i) worth of ploughs, besides more scythes and hay forks, and $5,400 of implements iinder contract? Will any man tell me that these articles ever reached the Indians] . . . The Indian was robbed and the country m as robbed, and the only men who profited by it were the agents and tlie middlemen. . . I ask you, Sir, and 1 ask this House, when the Parliament of thif. country liberally donated $l,10i),000 to feed, clothe and supiwrt the Indians, why we should pay the sum of $3,030 as commission to I.G. Baker and ochors tor advances made by them? . . . Exiravagance of Officials. In the account for 1883, the enor- mous sum of $26,312 is charged to the Indian account for the travelling ex- penses of the agents appointed by this Government over the Indians in the North- West Territ/Dries. And recollect, we supply th(!S3 men Avith horses, buck- boards, sleighs, and camping outfits and everything required for travelling, and yet there is this enormous sum of .f 26,- 312 charged in one year for travelling expenses. 1 tell you, Sir, and I say it without fear of successful contradiction, that every agent in the service, from the Lieutenant-Groveraor down to the hum- blest farm instructor, can travel in the North- West Territories from the 1st Jan- uary to the 31st December, all the year round, and not spend $26,000. It is the cheapest country in the world to tra^ in. All you require is a few Indian pon- ies and a backboard, and in the case of these agents these tilings are supplied. Last year the expenditure on Indian ac- count was $1,109,604. Mr. Dewdney, in his report, says it cost $454,000 to feed and clothe the Indians. Will the hon. Minister explain to the House and the country what became of the otlier $645,000? The Indian account is charged with sums paid to Indians who were not in the band ; it is charged with sums paid to Indians who never were in the band ; it is charged with stims paid to Indians a'ter they wore dead and be- fore they were born, as the following statement made by Mr. McCoU in his re- port shows : " One of the councillors having two wives is representeii on the May sheet as receiving annuity in 1881, for a family of 11 including 2 infant children, whereas at the date of pay- ment, oniy 'ne of these children was born." How Oxen are paid for. Take the Indians under Treaty No. 4 . They are charged with seventy-one yoke of oxen iu three years. The Indiana under Treaty No. 6 are charged, in 1883, with 45 yoke of oxen; in 1884, forty- two; and in 1885, forty-two, or 130 yoke of oxen in three years. Now, Mr. Sjieaker, I ask you to tell me why the Indian account should be charged in three years with 130 yoke of oxen under this treaty, although this band of Indiaiis had not, so far as I am able to judge, a thousand acres under cultivation] It is nothing 1 ^ than a wilful waste of money. These 1 30 yoke of oxen cost the people of Canada $26,- 470 ; and many of the oxen were aged, crippled and unfit for work of any kind when delivered, so that in a year or so many of them died from old age, and such of them as did not die had to be sold or killed, as they , were unfit for work. Dewdney's Pickings. The Indian account was charged a year or two ago with still more curious items. Among them are a table cloth and a napkin for His Grace the Commis- sioner ot Indian AflEairs in the North- Wost, wasliing blankets, cotton, painting, varnishing and cleaning Government house carriage, kitchen utensils. Now, we pay Lieutenant-Governor Dewdney 57 *8 Lieutenant-Governor, $4,000 a year; we pay him further as commissioner, $3,- 200 a year ; and we pay him yearly for travelling expenses nearly $2,000 ; we aupply him with other contingencies re- quired for travelling, such as horses, ideighs, buckboards, ^c, and surely he ought to wash his own blankets and var- nish his own carriage, instead of charging these things to the Indian account. In 1882 the Indian accoant is charged for a horse for the commissioner, $160; repairs te harness, $18.25; sundry articles, of which the items are not given, $14G.45 ; sundriej again, $57.50 ; two other horses, $275 ; two other horses for the commis- sioner's interpreter, $165; two horses a- gain for commissioner, $340; two horses for Mr. Wadsworth, $110. So that Mr. Dewdney, in tliat year, got from the In- dian Department five horses for his own use that cost $775, every one of which was charged to the Inditui account. Why, in the name of common sense, should Commissioner Dewdney get out of the Indian fund five horses in one year, costing the people no less a sum than $775. Exorbitant Prices. In the following jear, I find charged to that account, one set of harness for the commissioner, $35 ; another horse for the commissioner, $150; washing the towels of the commissioner, $6 ; 2 wag- gons and harness for the two inspectors, $528. I would like to know what kind of waggons were tliose two that cost $5281 In that year again, there is charged to Indian account, one buck- board, $117; one waggon and harness, $100; and another buekboard, $115. In 1885, another buckboard is charged to Indian account at $125. In tlie report for 1886, the same account is charged with one mare for commissioner, $125; one pair of horses for Mr. McRae, $265; one buckboard for Mr. McRae, $90 ; one horse for Mr. McRae, $166; one sleigh for commissioner, $40. Why, every sin- gle thing is charged to the Indian account; yet Mr. Dewdney draws nearly $2,000 a jrear lor travelling expenses. In the same year, we paid $1,402 to Baker & Co., and others, for advances made, and this same year $20,150 was charged to Indian account for travelling expenses. Among some of the items not open to discussion are the following : — P. G. Williams, }»aif gar- den 8eeroken our solemn promises, that we have violated every line of ev^ry treaty that we made with the Indians, that we have permitted our agents and middlemen to rob and steal from the In- dians, that our agents have allowed those Indians to be frozen to death and starved to death, and thst in the midst of jJenty. «8 Seobible men, reanonable men foresaw I Ibtig ago what would be the inevitable 'lesttlt of the foolish and mad policy pur< ^sned by this Administration towards the 'Indians, the policy of submission by a 'poUcyJof starvation. . . The Superinten- 'dent General of Indian Afiauhs, in his teport for 1886, says : " The Indians who rebelled do not plead Sricvances in extenuation of their having one so." A^emanagements lead to rebel- lion. I know that the supporters of the Gov- ernment, in Parliament and out of Par- liament, and the preas 8Ui)porting Jion. gentleman opposite, and all those who clamored for the blood of Louis Riel, in order if possible to increase his crimin- ality, have declarwl that, had it not been for him, the Indians of the North-West would not have taken up arras. That is true in a seuHe and it is not true. It is true that the action of Louis Eiel was the spark which fired the train, but I say the combustible uiaterial was there all the same. It slumbered for seven yean*, but it only slumbered It is not true that the action of Louis lliel was the only or the main cause of the Indians joining their kindred, the half-breeds, in the recent insurrection in the North- West Territory, The Indian, on the whole, is a quiet, peaceable, law-abidinir, loyal subject of her M.ijesty the Queen, and it required a good deal more than the mad freaks of a lunatic to induce the In- dians to take up arms against the sover- eign power of til is Dominion. I say that every man not blinded by party preju- dice, every man whose eyes- are open, or who is willing to have his eyes opened and his ear8unstopj)od, must see that the policy, the avowed policy of the Adminis- tration and of their otticials in the North- West had a great deal to do, had every- thing to do, with the outbreak of the Indians, and that that policy would sooner or later eventuate in an armed in- surrectioix. The way to maintain the loyalty of the Indian is not by violating aolemn engagements, not by breaking^ every treaty entered into with the lUdian^ not; by nnfulillled prbmises i^ade by'^the Government, not by cheating, robbing and swindling the Indiuxis, not by otttel and harsh treatment, ' taot by death ftQtxt cold and starvation ; and of all (these things I charge that this Govemtnent through their agents have been guilty. Police bullets preferable to atar- yation. Mr. Jackson, in the speech from which we have already quoted, says : " I beard some of the men say, who took up arms against the police to protect themselves (it was said before some responsible citizens of Port Qu'Appelle) : ' We had to do it or starve to death, and we preferred to die by the police bullets rather than die by starvation." Instead of dealing fairly and honestly by tl».' Indians, as we ought to have done, in !ad of maintaining unbroken our treaty obligations with the Indians, we pursued, and we still pursue that mad and reckless and inhuman policy of sub- mission by starvation, . . The Minister of Justice told us not leng ago, in his speech in Parliament, tha<-. : " The man who undertakes in tlio Nortli- W(!st lo Incite the Indians to rise and conmiiL war and depredations on the setlltM-.'^ tiikfs hfs life in his hand, and if lie appeals to mo for mercy, he 'will get justice." That sentiment was \ ociferously cheered by hon. gentlemen on the other side of the House. I ;:gree with that sentiment. It commends itself to my judgment ; but I tell tlie Minister of Justice that if he is disposeti to mete out merited justice to those who, ly their misconduct, by their maladiiiiidstration, by their incompetency and by their criminal negh^ct. provoked the Indian upiising, the hon. gentleman will sit alone upon the Treasury benches. There is nothing that hon, gentlemen so much fear as justice, that justice they will receive at the hands of the people of this country, if not at the iiands of this Parliament Prom which E^T^AGaiS JBOM A Si^jp^BOH BY ME. McMULLEN, K. P.. ON THK ABUSES OF THK SUI>ElRj^.2SriSrUA.TION SYSTEM, APRIL 28tK 1S86, Mr, MoMULLEN. The Superannua- tion Act introduce by Sir Francis Hincks, in 1870, provided for a deduc- tion of 4 per cent, from all those Civil servants who received a salary ovei $600, and 2^ per cent, from those who received less than $600. The Act was amended by Sir Leonard Tilley, when Finance Minister, reducing the sum de- ducted from the salary of Civil servants over $G00 from 4 per cent, to 2 per cent-, and from below that from 2^ per cent, to 1^ per cent., so that the amount re- ceived from the Oivil Service has beenre- duo-ed onR-half ; while, on the other hand, owing to the abuses of the Act, the numVjrr placed on the list has been largely increased. The number super- annuated in the year 1885 was 49. The number on the list of superannuated offi- cers on the 30th of June, 1884, was 433, and the number on the Hat on the 30th of June, 1885, was 446. The average annual amount paid to those on the re tii-ed list in 1884, was $470, and the average annual amount ]>aid to those on the retired list in 1885, was .^433. The amount paid in during the year 1883-4, by those on the list of Civil Service officers, was ^51,882.21. Tli« entire Oivil Service, during the year 1884, paid in a sum sufficient to pay the 433 on the retired list $120 each, and the Dominion paid them $850 each. Tlie entire sum paid out during the year 1884, was $i;)2,r,92. 70, of which the Civil Service viii $51,882.21, and the net loss to the country, under the operation of the Act in that year, was $;140,810.49. The number on the superannuated list on the Ist of January, 1886, according to a return presented to the House, was 423. Twelve weregi'anted annuities, which, in all amounted to $4,792.47, or an aver- age of $399,37 each. The sum paid in by the Civil Service during the year 1884-85, was $52,701.38, and the sum paid out was $203,030.21, so that the Net loss to the country under the operation of the Act during the year 1884-85, was $150,934.88. The average amount diawn by each person on the superannuated list during the last year was $469. The Civil Service paid in during the year a sum sufficient to pay those on the retired lint $121 each, and the country paid them $348. The net loss to the country under the opera- tion of the Act for 1884-85, was $10,124.39 more than for the year 1883-84. The system of granting a gratuity to tho^e who are retired under the Act before serving ten years has been abused, as well as the system of {jrantinir annuities. In most cases the sum paid as gratuities is greatly in ex- cess of the amount the partie.s have paid into the fund. For instance, K. A. Adair :s.:-i'ved four and one quaiter years, paid into tht; fund $25.50, and got a, gratuity on retiring of i^l70. B. Biggs served two and three-quarter years, paid in .^17.19, and drew $114.58. \V. Villeneuve served two and one sixth years, paid in $6.18, and drew $50. S. Simard served six and one-half years, paid in $41.60, and drew out $276.25. D. 11. Bruce served nine and one-half yearS; paid in $66.97, and drew out as gratuity $446.50. 60 F. Revelj served six years, paid in $216, and got a gratuity of $900. J. W. Byan served eight and seven-twelfths jears, paid in $75.10, and drew out $500.70. D. S. Lowry served throe years, paid in $15, and when he retired got $100. Let us see what The Besult to the Oountry of the operation of the Act during the year 1885 has been. There were forty- nine retired, forty-one by annuities, and eight by gratuities. The salaries paid to those forty-nine amounted to $42,384.09 ; salariei^' paid to the twenty- five new ap- pointees amount to $15,768.75. The places yet vacant the Government intend undoubtedly to fill, because the returns laid before Parliament always, if an office is abolished, state so. Consequently, when not abolished, no doubt it ik the intention of the Government to fill the office. They have therefore twenty-four offices to fill, the cost of which will be $16,195 ; but, allowing that they have made a reduction in the matter of salar- ies for those twenty- four offices when they will be filled, proportionate with the reduction in the case of the twenty five officials who have been appointed, and which was 25 per cent, less than those who occupied the offices before — deduct- ing from the $16,195 25 per cent., or $4,048.75, those yet to be appointed will draw $12,146.75, making in all $27,910. The yearly allowance to those placed on the superannuation list last year is $18,- 362 62, the gratuities to those retired by fratuity is $2,568,03 which makes in all 48,838.65. The net loss to the country for those superannuated last year are $6,454.56. How extra pay is given. We find, on looking over the retamB| that in 1884 there were 140 clerks, in or around Ottawa, receiving an averaf^ salary of $1,349.66. The amount paid to those clerks for extra work daring the year — work, done after hours, owing to the increased duties devolving upon them, possibly through the fact that some were superannuated — amounted to $57,792, or $412.80 each. This makes the salary of each $1,762.42, averaging $6 a day; and their salaries at the end of ten ytara, with the statuary increase of $50 per annum, would be $1,850 each, exclusive of payments for extra work. In super- annuating those clerks, counting that they ai"e now ten years in the service, they will be entitled to an annuity of $750. Coming down to the present year, we find there have been eighty-one clerks in the Departments who have drawn $59,283.85 for extra service, or $7il each, and their ordinary salaries at^ounted to $1,698.83 each ; so that they got $137,605.61 of salary alto- gether. This makes the amount drawn during the last year for salary and extra services by those eighty-one clerks, $2,- 429.83 each. The total sum paid into the superannuation fund during the time they were in service, by those who were superannuated in 1884, was $10,048.86, or $240 each ; just about enough to pay one-half a year's allowance. The total number in the service eligible to be superannuated in 1884, and in a position to claim superannuation, was 1,753, and the total number now eligible to super- annuation is about 2,000. The System of Adding Years to the time of servioe of those who have been in the service has been followed persistently by the present Government. It is a most pernicious system. In 1884, Mr. Russell, Surveyor-General, was superannuated, after serving fifteen years. They added ten years to his time, and he is now drawing $1,550 a year, though in all the time he was in office he only paid into the fund $632.33, or not enough to pay one-half year's allowance. Mr. Riuwell, chief clerk, served twenty years, and had a salary of $2,250 ; ten years was added to the time when he was superannuated in 1884, and his retiring allowance is $1,671.24, though he paid in nothing to the txxnd. Mr. J. B.Spenoer, who filled the position of Collector of Customs, Winnipeg, was superannuated in 1882. His salary was $2,600, and he had paid into the fund in all $388.48, 61 and he now draws an annuity of $!,• 6G3.92. He ii) now- engaged in another btiaineas, while dmwing This handsome allowance from the resource.s of the Dominion. Mr. N. X. R08.S waa in the Customs De- partment getting a salary of 1 1,600 ; he was superannuated in 1884. He is now drawing an allowance of $1,1'J0 ; his successor gets $1,400 ; so that this office now costs the country $2,520, while be- fore the sui)erannuation of the man who occupied the position it only cost $l,GO0, so that the increase in that one case is $920 a year so long as the man lives. N. W. McLean, clerk of Private Bills, was superannuated last yea*-. His sal- ary was $1,400. He has a retiring allowance of ^016 ; the new appointee gets the same salary of $1,400 ; so that this office now costs the country $2,01 G. We have one man stepping around doing nothing, living comfortably and easy, while another man doos the work. Then there was also Mr. Whitcher, the Deputy Minister of Fisheries ; he was 8ui>eranua- ted with an allowance of ^1,008. It is not supposed that he was superannuated l>ecause he was inefficient or incapable to do the"Work ; another gentleman in the oflfice who was anxious to till the position got the office. Mr. Witcher is now re- ceiving liis annual allowance of $1,008, and the other man is drawing a salary of $3,200, so that the Deputy Minister of Fisheries is costinfj the country $4,208 a year. Another cjse is that of Mr. MacMieken, Assistant Eeceiver-General at Winnipeg. He was superannuated and gets |l,570.8O as his superannua- tion allowance. That gentleman ran for a constituency in Manitoba and was elected. He was also appointed Speaker of the Manitoba Legislature. He drew his retiring allowance of $1,579.80 from the Dominion Governornment, he drew his sessional allowance as a member in the Province of Manitoba, and he got his allowance as Speaker, so that he was Well remunerated for his services. Under the Mackenzie Government, in 1873-74» the receipts for superannuation were $31,020.18, and the expenditure was $64,442.84. In 1878- 79, the year they left office, the receijjts were $41,866, and the expenditure $106,588. 80 that the increase in five years, under the Mackenzie Government was $42,13.5.16, or an average annual increase of $8,429.03. Now, take the case of the present Government. When they came into power, the receipts were $41,856, and the expenditure was $106,- 588. In 1883-8 i, at the end of th- first five vears of their term of office, the 1-eceipts were $51,882.21, and the expen- diture was $192,692.70, an increase iu five years of $86,104.70, or an average increase of $17,220.94. Tlie present Government increased the annual expen- diture in the ^rst five year.^of their term $43,969.54 more th'in th^ pievivus Gov- ernment did in the same time ; so that at the end of their first live years of office a-, permanent increased annual charge had" been created of f5-i5,969.54 more than would have been had the Mackenzie Gov- ernment remained in power. Now, to give an idea of the operations of the Act, take the case of the Clerk of the House. The Clerk's salary i«« $3,400. We have a superannuated clerk drawing an allow- ance of $2, 'nO. 06. Then for 1 he po.sition of clerk in the House we are paying $5,- 779.96. We have a deputy-clerk whose salary is $2,400. We have a superannu- ated doputy — yes, two of them — one drawing an allowance of $1,548.92, and another drawing $400, so that these throe (leputie.s, one doing the work and two stp])ping around doing nothing, are costing" the country $4,3^3.92. Then for th(:' Clerk and deputy-clerk of this House, under the f)peration8 of This Pernicious System, the country is now paying $10,123.88 a year, and every out of those gentlemen were superaimuated by the present Gov- ernment. Mr. Ross, Middlesex, moved, in 18iS2, to provide for the abolition of 62 the piesent byscotn, and the Bubetitntion of h plan whereby a percentage of the salary of each Civil servant should be i^tained and placed to his credit ; and be payable to him, with interent, on his ijuitting the service, or his family in case of his death in the sorvice. Every member on the Reform side of the House voted for that measure, and everyone on the Government side of the House voted against it. There is no class of people in the Do- minion who are better paid for the ser- vices they perform than the Civil servants, and the Act hits been grossly abused. The Government have taken advantage of a clause in the Act, whereby they found it convenient to superannuate a number of civil servants, who were capable of performing the duties, because there were a number of others who were anxious to get the positions, and as they could Tiot very well put two in the same place, those who held the positions were superannuated and others were put in iheit places. Out of 42.'5 superannuated On the 1st .Tanuaiy, 1886, 342 were superannuated by tuo Macdonald Gov- ernment, and only 81 by the Mackenzie Government. The MacdoualdGovernment, During the first five years of their term of office, from 1878 to 1883, super- annuated 351. The Macdonald Government have super- annuated since they came into oiSce 453,of which we have on the list on the first of January 351. The Reform Gorvonment su- perannuated 2i>6, and on the first Janua- ry, 1880 there wei*e only 81 of those alive, which sliows conclusively that in the case of those superannuated by the Re- form Government the cause was ill health or old age, while in the other case it was evidently to make room for political friends. We are now paying, under that Act, 438 men a si a of over $203,000. They are going about oing nothing, and we are paying othe men salaries for doing the work. 'eturn, moved brought down this sion, showing the number of Civi rvants on the superannuation list on tie first of Janua- ry, 1880. It gives the names in full, the dates they were superannuated, the amounts they have drawn. Here are » few names : i ill ^li I 515 isi fit S'O'*' a s ai Is* Agnew, N :0(t, 1,1878..$ 14187 | 4,768 M Aaho, KD May I, 1883.. 4r>800 2,61S82 BtrU, R 8c>ptl,1879. 34323 4/215 76 Bonolt, W JulyJ. 1«79.. 239 11 3.'2200 Birch, C J, aisre 65 July 1,1872.. 112 00 10,207 28 Bramley.JC t.Nov 1, 1878 45190 8 034 ecl,1880.. 6ia5 fS 6,039 00 Fife, W G, a({e 69 Dec 1,1872.. 21197 10,773 00 Flanigan, Juo 8ept 1, 1881 . . 3.S7 «f. 4,60« 60 Fulvoye, Geo Jan 11, 1875.. 420 00 245/041 Hewott, TliOB Ap-1 1t1.S72.. 112 00 10,873 44 Hood, II A Au)f 1,1883.. .S49 29 1,438 66 Howard, C, uge 63.... May 1, 876., 16684 8,04864 Kelly, EC, age 60 July 1,1871.. 36 98 6.393 96 Kitnbor, K, ago 69. . . . May 1, 1876. . 275 71 11,187 20 M. Kimber performed the duties of Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod for a number of years. It appears that the air of Ottawa did not agree very well with his heulth. And he is how in Paris. He draws the money from Ca- nada and spends it over there. Then I find :— Kingston, OJ FeM, 1890.. fl40 00 $10,090 80 Lvngton, John Augl, 1878. . 847 00 2i,146 93 Leslie, Joseph Feb 13, 1S79. . 684 36 16,868 30 LinUsay, P ....Jan 1, 1S76.. 21«00 7.833 60 Maingay, WA Nov 1,1874.. 113 00 4,308 33 Moeditli.EA do 1,1,-78.. 63926 18,060 00 Murohased, $8,000 j for fuel und llight, $95,000; for salary of Governor- ICifneral and stafi", $1,125,340; for travel lling expenses of Governor-General and staff, $140,000 ; for contingencies, $238,- lOOO, making a total of $2,355,107, or Ian average of $140,000 i)er annum. Fully l?60,000 is wasted or plundered every jyiar in this way. Rideau Hail, furni- Itiue and grounds to-day would not bring JTioro than $75,000. A few items might |bo interesting to the tax-payers. In 11^79, $38,678.(59 was expended for ad- Iditions, repairs and maintenance of iRideau Hall ; $11,494.95 for furniture ; [garden and grounds, $4,076.62 ; fuel and llight, $7,723.06 ; contingencies, $18,- (744.92 ; traveling expenses, $8,943.38 ; Jovenior-General.indofficial8,$59,504.43. \h 1880, $48,525.57 waa expended for Editions, repairs and maintenance; $12,- 199.78 for furniture ; $4,612.41 for gar- Ven and grounds; $9,014.44 for fuel^and light; Governor-Genr.ral and officials, 161,508.27 ; for contingencies, $14,- P65.80 ; travelling expenses can't be found, but not loss than $10,000. In 1881, $11,076 was expended for addi- tions and repairs ; $508.20 for furniture ; $4,027.99, for garden and grounds ; $9,- 812.10 for fuel and light; Governor- General and oflicials, $61,541.63; for contingencies, !?14,124.60; travelling ex^ pentes can't be found, but will bo not leps than $10,000. In 1BB2, $17,742.39 was expended for additions, repairs and maintenance; $492.27, for furniture; $4,244.87, for garden and grounds ; $8,- 200, for fuel and light; Governor- General and officials, $61,516.43 ; for contingen- cies, $13,301.08 ; for travelling expenses, $11,135.82. In 1883, $24,104.71 for additions, repairs and maintenance ; $805.25 for furniture; $6,492 for gar- den and grounds ; $8,200 for fuel and light ; $59,849.97 for Governor General and otlicials ; $18,556.64 for contingencies of Governor- General's ofllce ; $10,849.87 travelling expenses. This is a sample of how the people's taxes are expended, and it might be interesting to have a few of the details of contingencies. In 1881, hardware, $1,412; cnrpets, $280; rent of pianos, $403.76 ; jobbers and laborers, $4,240.76 ; carpenters, $760 ; painting, $495 ; seeds and flower pots, $2 14 ; extra clerk, .fl,220. 1882, lumber, $1,490; hardware, $2,900 ; painting and glazing, $1,938 ; carpets, $368 ; gardening, labor- era and jobbers, $12,059. In 1883, hardware, $3,200; lumber, $1,800; painting, $5,500 ; rent of pianos, $384 ; linen, $575 ; gardeners, laborers, jobbers, forester, $17,200; billiard goods, $266; tennis balls, $75; flags, $58; garden seeds, $115 ; total maintenance for 1883, $31,222.86. 1884, hardware, $2,689; lumber, $1,187 ; rent of pianos and three H new ones, $2,890 ; dry goods, $845 ; carpetfl, $471 ; mattrHHH08, $192; car- penters, $4,'J59 ; laborers and gardeners, $9,000 ; charwoman, 1?870 ; painting, $6,1)40 ; plumbing, $187 ; crockery and glassware, $4.0r>.'' ; total maintenance for 1884, |35,r)07.9l. " A comparison between the expeudi- turos on account ol" Rideau Hall and the Governor-General and similar exi>endi- tures for the President of the United States ard the ofHcial resi- dwnce will prove instructive, and foi this purpose the United States estimates for the year 1884 are <,fiven. See '24ti Setsdon, J/7 (Joiigress, Vol. 17. United Staters estimates of appropria- tions for the liscal year ending Juno 30, 1884: President, |)t«r annum % 50,000 (K) Privato Seci-fHary, Assistant Sec- retary, Exoculivi? Clerks, Stenographers, Ttilograph Op- erators, SlewanI, Door Keeper, Ushers, Mfsseng(.'rs, Watch- men and Fireman $35,757 15 Contingent exponses, including stationery, record books, tele- grams, books for library, mis- cellaneous items, furniture and carjjets, care of oHict), carriage, horses and harness 1$ 8,000 00 I . Total ox iwnditure of ex^cuti\ r> proper $08,757 15 Grounds $17,500 17,500 00 R.^tpairs, fuel and furniture 33,000 '» yours, 8,250 00 Lighting 15.000 15,000 00 $65,500 $134,507 15 It will be seen by comparing the above account with tho liideau Hall expendi- ture that the average annual cost of main- taining Kideau Hall and paying tho Governor- General lias been over $5,000 gi-eaterthun the cost of payiii;,' the Presi- dent of the United States and maintain- ing thf* White House in 1 884. In mak- ing i\\v coniparifion we spread the expen- diture for furniture, which was made that year, over the period of four years. As new ftirniture is purcliased at the be- ginning of each Presidential term, and the entire amount charged in the account of 1884 fchould be spread over four years, making the proper proportioji for 1884 tho amount given in the above statement. When wo l)ear in mind that the Whit<; House expenditure is for a nation of 58,000,000 iieople, and the Rideau Hal! ex])enditure for a colony of l,r>00,000, furtlier comment will be unnecessary. KXTRACT8 FROM THE BPEECH OF James Somerville, M. P., (NORTH BRANT) ON PRINTING CONTRACT FRAUDS. Delivered in the Houh Commons of July 2nd, 1886. Mr. SOMERVILLE (Brant). I wish to call the attention of the Hr use to a matter which is of considerable import- tance, with regard to the public ex|>endi- tnre, and at this late stage of the Bession I will be as brief and as - concise as [)08- sible. I have given considerable attention to the question I am about to bring before the House, and I have iound that the following sums have been spent during the year for printing and adver- tising, outnido of the regular contracts, according to the Auditor General's re- ]X)rt — advertising, $54,079.85; printing pamphlets, maps, etc., for the Agricul- tural Department, 681,667.06 ; half the amount paid for the Rev. Mr. Bray's pamphlet, which was charged to Domin- ion landip, $2,500 ; paper uped in printing pamphletfl, $27,660.79 ; advertising and printing for Intercolonial Railway, $: 8,- 319; printing Civil Service list, $7,688.- 74 ; total amount expended, $201,916.44 altogether, outside of the sum paid to the contractors for the parliamentary and departmental printing The printing of the Civil Service list amounts to a large sum of money. The Government saw fit to purchase for the proprietor of the St. Hyacinthe Courier the type to'be used in the publication of those lists, at a cost of $3,931.12, which onp^t to have bef n cfiven to the regular coj iitor at much lower rates. The A ^r General called the attention of *' Under Secretary to the fact that ^ ^^7.34 were charged in excess Of the pr es which the regular Government coi^ tractors could have charged under their contract. But, contrary to the opinion expressed by the Anditor Gen- eral, that this amount should be deduct«d from the account rendered by the St. Hyacinthe Courier, the Treasury Board, after oousidering the matter, decided that the ruling of the Auditor General should be set aside, and that this money should be paid to that newspaper, in spite of the protest entered by the Auditor General. The report of the Chinese Commission was given to the Montreal Minerve, and was printed by that journal In the Supplementary Estimates I find the sum of $4,369.f)0 provided for the payment of that work. I believe an hen. member of this House (Mr. Tasse) is interested, i£ not directly, indirectly, in that news- paper, which is published in the city of Monti eal. The Minister of Militia has also his pets, and two years ago he pur- chased type for Mr. Foot©, of the Quebec ChronieU, for his use in printing the militia liHt. I find this year that the . militia list has again been issued in the same form, and, I suppose, by the same party. Furthermore, I observe, in ad- dition to publishing it in that 8ha{)e, the Minister of Militia has seen fit to publish the same list in his report. He has had the type re-set at Ottawa, and the list forms a large number of pages, and thus adds to the cost of the report. 1 can understand readily why he directed the work to be given to his friend in Quebec; That, I 8U])po8e, was to be considered as a legitimate perquisite, and it seems to have been not only nesessary that the in- fontfation should be thus printed in spec- ial form, but that the Minister should have it printed in Ottawa,and embodied in his annual report. I fail to see any nec^sity for extravagance of this kind 66 M ! tl I being perpetrated by the Goverigneht. A few words with reopect to tte adver- tiaing given by the Govemmeat to the newspapers. ^ny hon. member who gives the subject the slightest attention must come to the conclusion that a great deal of extravagance is indulged in by the Government in dispensing advertis- ing patronage to the Canadian newspiv pers. The advertising given out last year by the Government, according to the Auditor General, amounted to $54,07 9.- 85. I will give some of the items: Belleville Intelligencer, the organ of the Minister of Customs, $271,86; Berlin I^ewa, $232.82; Brockville T^'mes,$20G.- 80; Montreal Gazette, ^7 37.70; Montreal Herald, $246; Shareholder, $:i9.90; Star, $619.80; Quebec Chronicle, $808.- 31 ; Toronto Alail, $1,278.55 ; and other amounts in proportion, I suppose, to the importance and influence of the organs of the Government. In the city of Ottawa, I find that the Citizen got $515.17, and the Investig,paid the sum of $147.90. " Then the Regina Leader got $1,710.68, and I think I may refer to an account which was rendered by that journal. An hod. MEMBER. Who is thd ed- itor? Mr. SOMERVILLE (Brant). Mr. Nicholas Flood Davin is the editor, and he seems to be a particular favorite with the present Government. I find in the Auditor General's report page 367, that the Regina Leader rendered an account for the publication of mining regulations, and in ox. 3 cliarge which serves to make up the amount I mention, I see that the Queen's Printer has seen fit to raise the amount of the account which was rendered, that gentleman evi- dently thinking that the Rogina Leader man knew nothing about his own business, that he did not charge enough, and consequently he increased the price $31.93. I find that he dealt in the same liberal way with the Winnipeg Times, the account of that paper for publishing the raining regulations having been raised $35.78. Furthermore, I find that the Brandon Mail rendered an account for the same work, and that the Queen's Printer raised the number of lines which the proprietor^f that journal charged for and he was paid a larger sum than he demanded in the first place. I would just say, in connection with this matter, that I believe a vast amount of uioney is being squandered annually by this system of advertising. When they advertise for contracts to be let, the advertisements are distributed all over the Dominion, whether there is any chance or not cf the advertisements proving of any benefit to the Government or to the country. I think there is a f«^arful wa-ite of money in this regard, and it is evident that the money is spent more for the purpose of subsiding tho organs of the Government than benefiting the public service. Be- sides this amount of $54,(^79.85, which I have referred to as having been paid for advertising by the several Departments, I find that $28,319 was paid for adver- tising and printing for the Intercolonial Railway. This work was dispensed a- mong the organs of the Government in the Maritime Pravinoes principally, some of them receivirg very large amounts, footing up, in some cases to $1,000 for 47 la thd ed- it). Mr. ditor, and orite with ind in the 367, that a account ;gulations, 8 to make ) that the 1; to raise nt which man ovi- Rogina it his own e enough, the price 1 the same eg Times, pubhshing ing been I find that in account xe Queen's Lues which barged for a than ho I would lis raatter, f tiioney is his system vertise for I'tiaements ominion, ; cf the benefit to luntry. I of money it that the lurpose of ivemment ice. Be- , which I paid fOi artments, for adver- ercolcmial pensed a- nment in [ally, some aroounta, 1,000 for this work. Now, I wisli to draw the at- tention of the House to some facts in con- nection with the work which is given out by the Department of Agriculture. I find the following statement in the Ottawa Citizen of the 2 'ind April, head- ed "Facts about the Pamphlets." : The number of pubhcations issued and circulated by the Department of Agriculture in 1884 was, at all points, 2,597,579. The total cost of this service was, in the calendar year, $80,066.01 including paper and all charges for freight." By referring to ^he Auditor General's report, I find that the Ottawa Citizen made a. mistake of only $27,660,78. That can probably be easily accounted for by the fact that the Ottawa Citizen is one of the favorites of the Government and receives its proportion of patronage sometimes in a very liberal way. This year the proprietors of that paper ha*e j not been favored so extensively as in j former years, but they received an ad- ! vance, amounting to $1,600 for work which was not done, which was not de- livered, and of which no account can b?i given. In addition to that, they wex-e paid over $500 for advertising, amount- ing in the whole, to over $2,100 in the past year. I do not wonder so much at the Citizen's statement which I have read from that journal, and which I have ■conclusively firoven to be incorrect. It is evident that ic is the intention of the organs of the Grovernment, the Montreal Gazette, the Toronto ifail, and the Ottawa Citizen to nii«represent everything they possibly can with regard to this printing matter; but I feel it to be my duty, as a member of this House, to reveal thf fact.s in comectlon with the matter, so that the country will thoroughly understand them. Now, I wish to call the attention of the House to some of these jiublications, and to give some particulars as to the price at which th«5y have been printed, «nd the number of editions that have been published. I think it is important that the House phould be put in posses- sion of these facts, which I have gone to considerable trouble to collect ; and I wish to state here, from my experience in the newspaper and printing business, that I am positive the statements T am going to make are strictly true in every respect, and are incontrovertible. I ask the criticism of any gentleman in this House or out of it upon them, and I defy any contradiction of the figures I am about to give. Of the tenant farmt?;-' report, there were a large number of editions printed ; and in order to show how this patronage was dispen83d, I wish to state that the journal to which I shall refer first, the Hamilton Spectator, ia the property of a company composed of Messrs. Southam & Oar6y, and some other gentlemen, and that the same tinn own a job printing office connected with the Toronto Afail newspaper. I find that in July, 1883, that company received an order tor 50,000 copies of the tenant farmers' report, for which they were paid $3,l:H.40. In May, 1884, they received another order for 53,000 copies, for which they were paid $8,458 86. The Toronto Mail joh office, which is owned by the same company, also received an order in May, 1884, for 51,158 copies of the same publication, which cost $3, 126.04. Then I find that an account was rendered by the Spectator company, without any date, for 51,479 copies, for which they wore paid $2,979.99. I presume that the date was the same at which the other order was given to the same company for the same work. The Auditor General in his report, note^ that no date was attached to this account. Then, the same com- pany were favored with the publication of what is known as the CJuide Book. On the 26th of June, 1883, they delivered 54,00 J ei pies of tiiat book, for which they received $3,205.08. On 18th August, 1883, they had another order for 3 1 ,000 copies, for which they were paid $1,992.81 and I find that to this amoanl mu?.t be added $1,500, which they drew during the previous year on account, and which was referred to in the Auditor General's previous report. The total amount paid for this work, to the Spectator company, was $17,897.18 ; and they also received advertising, in addition, to the amount iJli/H'W "W^W^ 68 of $801.02 ; 80 that the total amount which went to the Hamilton Spfictator company during the lart year for print- ing and advertising, was $18,196.20. Now, I wish to go into some of the de- tails of this account. There was paid for composition, at 35 cents a thousand, on those orders, $747.04, which would have cost, at the contractors' price, 10 cents a thousand, $71.20 ; so that the excess paid to the Spectator company on composition, was $675.84. They were paid for press work, 20,865 tokens, at 30 cents., $6,- 269.50. They were allowed to charge for 20,865 tokens of 250 impressions each — because that is what a token means — when only 10,433 tokens were printed, which the conti actors would have done for 10 cents a token, amounting to $1,- 043.30; so that the excess paid to the Spectator company was $5,216.20 on press work alone. Now, I cannot see why those journals which are favored with the patronage of the Government should be allowed to charge for work which they do not perform. I see by the accounts which have been rendered that they are not only allowed to charge for double the amount of work they actually performed, but they are paid for it at 30 cents a token whereas the Government contractors are only allowed to charge 10 cents a t ken, which T consider is a gross outrage. For stitching, covering, fold- ing in maps, etc., the Spectator company charged .$10,425 for the tenant farmers' report and the guide book. This work could have been contracted for, at ordi- nary binder's rates, for say, $7 per 1,000, or $2,030, which shows an excess paid for binding to the Spectator company of $8,395. So that they received on these jobs a total excess of |l3,287.C4 over the regular prices on work which cost $17,- 897.18. It was not only necessary to feed the Hamilton Spectator at the rate of $18,000 a year, but this same tenant farmers' report was given to the. Montreal Herald ottice ; for I find that on the 19 th of February, 1884 — I believe that was before the hon. meml>er for Northumber- land (Mr. Mitchell) became proprietor of that journal — the Montreal Herald ^ received an order for 50,000 copies of this same pamphlet which was printed by the Hamilton Spectator, for which it wa» paid $2,767.20, at the same extravagant rates which were paid to the Hamilton Spsctator. I find that the Government not only dispenses this patronage to the journals which Bu^>port them, but they do not forget their other friends, for I find that the Allan Steamship Oomjmny^ which has recently been subsidized to the extent of $126,000 a yeat for carrying the mails — which is considered by those who know what that service is worth, to be double what ought to be paid for it — is favored by having its advertise- ments placed in these pamphlets free of charge. It is not in the interest of the country that the Allan line should be favored above all other steamship lines, by having their advertisements printed and circulated at the expense of the Gov- ernment. Now, I will devote a little attention to the patronage which has been given to the Montreal Gazette. 1 find the Gazette was favored with the printing of a pamphlet oii British Colum- bia during the past year, and published five, editions of that pamph let — a 32-page pamphlet, with cover and map. The- account was rendered 5th October, 1883, for 195,000 ; in Januarv, 1884, 140,000 ; in March, 1884, 54,000'; in April, 1884, 56,000 ; in June, 1884, 25,250 ; or, all told, in a little over eight months, five editions, amounting to 460,250 copies, at a cost ot $9,211.15. I find that the com- position of these pamphlets was paid for four times, although stereotype plates were used in the printing, and the com- position was paid for at the rate o* 35 cents per 1,000, which multii)lied by 4, makes the total amount paid at the rate of $1 40 per thousand, fourteen times more than the contractors' rate, 10 cents per thousand. I admit the amount paid for composition is not very much, because it was not a large pamphlet. It was composed of 82 pages and contains 185,000 eras, but still the difference paid the Montreal Gazette, as contrasted with the contractors' rates, amounted to $117.30. There was paid for press work 09 or, aM ^hs, five >pies, at »\3 com- |paid for plates B coiti- on 35 )lied by at the fourteen Irate, 10 amouDt much, Uet. It sontains paid with ited to im work for theae pamphlets, 11,046 tokeiu at 30 cents, $3,313.80, when only 5,523 tokens were actually printed, which the oodthu}- tor would have charged for at 10 cents per token, of $552.30, showing an over- charge of DO less tiian $2,761.50 on press work over and above what the contractors would have charged, qr five tiroes the •contractors' i)rice. Fot binding 400,250 copies, the price charged was $4,768.02, and the work could be done for $4 per thousand in any binderv, which would amount to $1,841, or an excess paid on binding of $2,927 02. The following are the overcharges to which I have just referred : — Excess paid on binding $2,927 02 «• " composilion.. 117 30 " " press work... 2,761 50 $r),805 82 Thus, on a work which cost, all told, *9,- 211.15, there is an overcharge of $5, 805.82 over and above the ordinary busi- ness profit. But thLs was not all the Montreal Gazette got during the past year, in the way of Government pap, as the Public Accounts reveal the follow- ing payments : — For pamphlftts for Immigration Dn-parUnent $9,211 15 Printing Geological Report 2,876 14 ■" reports on lossil pUnts 12G 45 '' proceedings Roval So- ciety • 5,321 2t) Advance for work in process. . 1,500 00 Advertising 737 70 $19,7?2 73 And I find there was an advance mado on the work in progress, and in this re- gard the Gazette is in the same position as the Ottawa Citizi'n. It is very con- venient fo)" the organs to have the Do- minion (xovornnient acting in the capacity of their banker. When hard up they draw on the (lovernment for sums rang- ing from $500 to $1,500. The Gazette drew for work in progress $1,500, and received for advertising $737.07, making a total of $19,772.73, for printing and advertising, as the total amount the 0azett4 received. It is said I have no right to put in this amount the sum paid for printing the proceedingB of the Boyal Society. True, that account, was not rendered in the name of "tlfe Oaiette, but the order was given to Daweon Bros., of Montreal, who get their printing done at tho Gazette office, and this report was printed there, because it bears the impiint Gazette. It must be admitted that the Gazette had to furnish the paper to print the book, and to pay for the binding ; and by the accounts rendered the Gov- ernment it is impos.sible to say how much was paid for binding and paper. Take off $1,772.73 for the paper which was used in the publishing of the book, and for the binding, and that is double the amount which might properly be allowed for it — the Montreal Gazette |)ocketed, during last year, $18,000 for printing and advertising. I do not know that the "exigencies of party" require that the Gazette should be paid this exorbitant sum for Government printing. It is not in the interest of the country or to the credit of the Government that they should pay these largo subsidies to the chief organs in Montreal and elsewhere. Fur- thermore, I believe there is an Act in force with regard lo the independence of Parliament, in which it is provided that no member of the House shall have any interest in a Government contract. I do not say that any member of the House is directly interested in the Gazette, but I believe it is the general opinion that a gentleman who occupies a seat here has some indirect interest in that pajjer. It does not add to the independence of Par- liament that by the organization of a company a member of this House can have an interest in Government patron- age, and that these exorbitant prices should be paid. Now, I find that the Quebec Chronicle ha.s been favored again. It was not sutticient that the hon. Min- ister of Militia should purchase type for Mr. J. J. Foote, of the Quebec Chronicle, to enable him to print Militia lists, but he was favored with four editions of the pamphlet, "What Farmers Say," from 10th April, 1883, to February, 1884. and the actual amount paid to the Quebec Chronicle was $3,780.46. The composi- iiiiMjiifT 70 I tion was paid for, considering the number of Aditions publiihed, at $1.1 3' instead of 10 cents, or 11 times the contractors' price. The press work was paid for at 30 cents instead of 10 cents, and for double the quantity of work actually performed It will be remembered that the Messrs. Stephenson, who are sons of a gentleman who now holds an office under the Dom- inion Government in the North- West, and who was at one time the member for Kent in this House, and a strong supporter of hon. gentlemen opposite, re- ceived the order for printing the C. P. R. Royal Commission report; that they never touched the work, never set a type in connection with the publication of that work, never read a proof, never handled the copy in any way what- ever ; but they were favored with the or- der for that work, and came to Ottawa and handed the work over to the Govern- ment contractors, who did it at their re- gular rateii, I suppose, or probably more than their regular rates, taking it second hand, and at any rate the Stephensons pocketed $3,000 in clear cash for this work which they never touched. It appears that the Government or the Minister of Agriculture deemed it was necessary, in the interest of his De- partment and in the interest of the coun- try at large, that this Government should publish a pamphlet in German, and they looked about to find some man who would undertake the work. It happened that thev struck Mr. H. W. Bennett, of the Prescott Messenger. I do not know how it came about that he was picked out among all the newspaper men of the country for the publication of a German pamphlet, for it must be obivious to the House that he was in no itay in a posi- tion to publish German work. It was stated in another place in this House that before he got this order he was inter- viewed, or he interviewed some member of the Government in regard to, this work, and he was promised the work if he would furnish his office with German type. It is well know to every member .of this House that Prescott is not in a German settlement, and that there are very few, if any, Germans within the reach of the circulation of the Prescott Messenger fOxiA. that no German work is re- quired to be printed in that neighborhood; and it seems strange that the Government should pitch upon Mr. H. W. Bennett ta do thich work ; but, at any rate, they did- and we find that he was favored with two orders for the guide book in German. In September, 1883, he received an order for 30,000 copies, for wliioh he was paid an advance of $879.70 previous to the delivery. For this order he was paid $4, 1 07.50. The composition was allowed at $1 per thousand. It is well known to every practical printer in the country that German composition is charged for at no greater prices than English com- position, and that a German newspaper man charges the same for the composi- tion in German as the proprietor of an English newspaper woidd charge for the composition in English, But we find that this favorite of the Government was allowed % 1 per thousand for composition, and wasallowed forpress work at 30 cents. In May, 1884, he got another order for 20,000 more of this pamphlet, for which he was paid |2,764.15,and for the composition again at f 1 per thousand, and the same for press work ; he was allowed to charge like all others, for double the amount of press work that he actually did. Well, after this matter came up in the Public Accounts Committee I received a letter from a German publishing house in the county of Waterloo. The proprietors of that journal asked me to send them a copy of this German pamphlet, and a copy of the account which was rendered to th Government. I complied with their request, because I wanted to have some one to back me up in the state- ments I was about to make to the Pub- lic Accounts Committee and to this House in regard to these printing accounts, and I received a letter from the publishers of that German newspaj)er, in which they say that "after a careful calculation the work can be done here for $1,800 ;" and the letter further says "that the foreman of another office in the same Tiwfi''' "mimm fiii jre are in the rescott kiaro- »rhood;. rnment inett ta ey did- i with erman. n order as paid to the as paidl allowed; known jountry gei for jh com- wspapor jotuposi- : of an for the we tind lent was position, 30 cents, rder for ;vhich he [position le same lo charge 71 I town also made an estimate and ho ur. rived a# the saiao ^gure." Ifow, it will be B«m, as I have 8«i4, that the total oost of this work was $6,871.6$. The sum this work would have cost if the order had been given to any German printer in this country would have been i^ 1,800, which shows that the excess paid'bn this iob was no less than |5,071.65. The ex- cess paid on this one pamphlet would buy a ateifkm .press, a steam ^giue, and *U tlui' type that would be requved to AuniJu tjbe offioe of the Prssoott Mmamgm, In giving this woilcto the Presoott JtUtwngtr the Government presented to the pro- prietor of that paper enough money to- buy his office and furnish it with all the material he requires in his business, to- gether with a power press and a steam- engine to drive it. . • . • |4 t i I OonpamtiTO Statemoato b«tw«8ii 1878, the last ftiU year of the Mi ^ k «m ia Qicfwwommt, aiid, tha latest returns dealing with the management of the aflUrs of the comitry by the present Administ ati(m. Public debt, 1878 i $174,957,268 •» " 1886. 281,314,632 Increase. $106,367,264 Public expenditure, 1878 123,503,168 % M 1886 36,037,060 Increase $1 1,423,902 Civil government, 1878 $ 823,869 •> M 1886 1,139,495 » r II II II Increase ^ $316,126 Salaries, public departments, Ottawa, 1878 $665,195 " '• " II 1885 922,904. Inci^ease $257,709 Immigration and Quarantine expenses, 1878 $180,691 " II II 1886 606,408 Increase c $826,717 •ContiBgencies, public departments, Ottawa, 1878.... $158,174 " 11 II If 1885 206,858 Increase $48,684 Number of employees, public dep'ts., Ottawa, 1878 ... . 812 " " " •• ft 1885.... 1,227 Increase.... ,., ,. yig Printing, advertising and paper for Immigration pur- poses, 1877-1878 ... . ' $17,406 do 1884-18P5 244,505 ' — — — — ..^^ Increase.... $227,099 Paid for travelling expen ^s and cab hire, 1885 $ 36,256 It newspaper adven •- 'ng, 1885 . . ,. 61,822 II legal expenses, 18S-) 57,692 II extra clerks, Ottawa, 1885..., 171660 Cost of Senate, 1867 to 1886 2 316*823 ir Of the ing with 9 present 06,367,264 ;l 1,423,902 $316,126 $257,709 $826,717 $48,684 716 $227,099