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I fiiksii JL.ISriD STI^.ikITS, »' -BY- gia^'o diaries ||i< A paper read tiBfarE the Saciety nn the Evenina, • Df IDth May, 1BB3, ''^ W 1 N N 1 !• E »1 : MANITOHA DAILY KUKK TUKSH. I88.S. S> 'tiJ^m,. / ■'.^■'> \ ir..H' .">». HUDSON'S BAY The Feasibility of tke Proposed Route Discussed. DateN and Facts From Actual Navlsators. 9Ir. Bell's Paper Read Before the ,r -.iffr Historical Society. . ,. . ■ ■ i 'v'. A' ':■ ^ • The regular meeting of the Historical and Scientific Society was held Thursday evening, with a good attendance. Rev. Professor Hart presided. At the usual meeting of the Executive Committee, Mr. J. M. MacGregor was proposed as a mem- Der, and afterwards duly elected. Mr. Chas. N. Bell was then called upon to read his paper upon the NAVIGATION OF HUDSON8 STRAITS. BAY AND This paper is a sequel to Mr. Bell's letter which appeared in the Free Press last Monday, and is as follows : Until a year or two ago, the general Sublic were under the impression that the [udson's Bay and Strait were navigated only by one or two vessels belonging to the Hudson's Bay Company, which carried the trading goods for their annual business from London to York Factory and other posts about the Bay, and returned with the previous year's yield of furs. Even the accounts of the voyages of these ves- sels were wrapped in an envelope of misty vagueness. Little or no information vas obtained through the medium of thepress, and the old books of Robson, Ellis, Dobbs, Hearne, Chappelle, Black and others, who had sailed in those waters, or written out the accounts of those who had from 173:^ to 1838, are too costly and rare to be found in ordinary libraries. The records of the Hudson's Bay Com- p"4ny could only be Inspected in London, and even the existence of those records was unknown, except to a very few, and that few seem to have kept their contents to themselves. Prof. Bell was readily and cheerfully supplied with valuable information by the Hudson's Bay Company's people, both in London and at the posts about the Bay, and he has presented it in his annual geo- logical reports. That a large number of whalingvessels seek the waters of the Hudson's Bay an- nually, and take out oil, whalebone, etc., to the ruling market value of $124,000 as an average season's "catch" (as we find by the U. S. Government fisheries returns for the past eleven years), seems to have passed unnoticed. An examination of the works of the old- time navigators, and a comparison of their statements on the subject of the naviga- tion of these seas with the statements of whalers who now pass each season there, may prove both interesting and instruc- tive. The extracts given in this letter are taken directly from the works quoted, and from manuscript copies of the original log-books of whaling vessels sailing from New Bedford, Mass., and New London, Conn. It must be borne in mind that all the vessels mentioned in this paperare sailing ships. More and more satisfactory evidence is being produced every year to prove that the navigation of the Hudson's Bay and Strait is not as formidable as we have been led to suppose. It is now almost considered as a fact that not only does the Bay itself not freeze over, but that the Strait, with its high tides and strong currents, remains open all winter as well. That vessels can leave York Factory un- til at least the first of November, is a fact that is proved bv whalers, whose state- ments are found herewith : Joseph Robson, in his book published 1752, and who lived at York Factory and Churchill from 1733 to 1736, and from 1744 to 1747, says : " As the Straits, then, are never frozen over, nor always unnavigable, even when there Is much ice in the Bay, I Imagine that a safe passage may be often found in the beginning or.June. The beginning of June seems to be the likeliest time in which to expect a free passage. I know that but a few years ago this voyage was thought very difficult and tedious ; that the Com- pany's ships almost always wintered In the Bay, and they allowed the captain. If he wintered safely, a gi'atuity of fifty guineas. But of late this gratuity is with- held from him and given only to those who go out and return tne same year, so that what was once represented as absolutely Impracticable is now very easily and speed- ily performed." Bylot, in 1615, entered the Hudson Strait on tne 27th May, according to Captain El- lis. To give some evidence from a people who certainly would not be prejudlcea In favor of a '^'Hudson's Bay route,' being practically utilised, but who would, most likely, dislike the Idea of a steamship Bay and Europe, It U the service between the i ■H')- VJ well to give some extracts from the log- books of whaling vessels sailing from New England ports. The evidence which I believe has not yet been published, was obtained bv a gentleman interested in the future of the Northwest, who sent a per- son last summer to New Bedford and New London, to inspect personally the logbooks of such whalesmen as he could find, who had an intimate knowledge of, and experience in, the Hudson's Bay and straits. By telegraphic advices received yester- day from Ottawa to the city press, it would appear that this, or similar evid- ence, is being presented to the House, embodied in a report. Capt. J. Tabor, of the ship Northern Light, sighted Resolution Island, at the extreme east of the straits, on the 14th July, 1882, meeting float-ice, which the ship passed through, and on the 31st July was m the Hudson's Bay and chased their first whale. The ship left the bay on the 10th Sept., and was through the straits into the Atlantic Ocean on the 18th. This ship again went to the bay in 1863, wintered there, and on the 15th May, 1864, the Log-Book says they began to get ready for whaling and cut loose from the shore ice in the harbor. They left the bay on the 20th Sept., 1864, thus showing over five months' work in the bay that sum- mer, and then leaving at an early date. The bark Andrews, from New Bedford, sighted the entrance to the strait 25th June, 1863, and had a good deal of work sailing through ice in the strait, wintered in the bay, and passed out 24th Sept., The ship Ansel Gibbs sighted Resolu- tion Island, bound in, 2l8t June, 1866, and with little trouble from ice was in the Bay 10th July. They prepared for wintering 24th September, and had cold weather soon after. They passed out of the Bay 11th February, 1867. The same vessel sighted Resolution Island on 28th July, 18^, and on 5th Au- gust was proceeding up the Bay, having seen little or no ice. They went into winter quarters 25th September, and went out next year in September without trouble from ice. The bark George and Mary, from New Bedford, sighted Resolution Island 15th July, 1879, and on the 19th Julj', four days after, was sailing up Hud- son 8 Bay, having seen no ice to speak of. They did not begin to prepare for winter until 15th September, and the log-book shows that on the 1st October the ther- mometer registered 20 degrees above zero, and on the Ist November 8 degrees below zero. On May 18th next they sawed the ship out of harbor ice, and on the 29th were sailing north. They went out in August. The Abbie Bradford, from New Bedford, was working through the Strait on the Slst June, 1878. Log- book says, no ice of any consequence m sight. On July 20th they spoke the Bark Nile, boiling their third whale of the trea- son. On October 27th log-book sayii, ther- mometer below zero, for the first time. No ice is mentioned on the outward voy- age, August 10th, 1879. In a conversation, Capt. Tabor, above mentioned, who made two whaling voya- ges to Hudson's Bay, said : "The entrance to the Bay can be made from the 1st to the 15th July, and steam- ers would have great advantages over sail- ing vessels, as they could steam inside of all obstructions from ice, water being bold close to shore, tides strong, say 6 to 7 miles, but quite regular." "There is no trouble about coming out, up to November 1st, and some seasons later. Hudson's Bay is open all winter, and what little ice makes on the shore breaks up with every gale of wind." Capt. St. Clair, or the ship A. Horton. New Bedford, said: ''I entered the Bay 13th June, 1877, and came out 25th Sep- tember, 1878. Ice did not appear until 12tn November, 1878," Capt. E. B. Fisher, who made eight voy- ages, covering some sixteen years, into Hudson's Bay, said :— 'A steamer can en- ter and go through the straits sooner than a sailing vessel. Whalers have never had any trouble in coming out. They leave just as soon as the summer whaling is over, and are always out, therefore, by the first of November. ' "Ships do come from Cumberland Inlet later than that, and it is farther north." "The only trouble is in the Hudson's Strait, and that is caused by the ice com- ing down from Fox's channel and lodging among the islands in the Strait, blocking up the narrowest part, which is midway of its length." "A steamer could crawl out by keeping close to the rocks inside of the ice, as there is always open water, more or less, be- tween the rocks and the great body of the ice. The tide runs six to seven miles an hour, and at every turn of the same, more or less breaking-up occurs, and a steamer could take advantage of all such chances, when a sailing vessel would be at a stand- still if the wind was ahead and blew any way fresh." "The Bay is open all winter, except a little ice makes near the shore, and that breaks up in every ^ale of wind." Many other captains of great experience in Hudson's Bay navigation, gave similar information and opinions to the above, and, without doubt, this testimony is the most valuable yet obtained. The evidence of the captains of the Hud- son's Bay vessels only covers the state of navigation in August, September and Oc- tober, and therefor* is not nearly as valu- able as the above. CaptainMcPherson, oftheOceanNymph, owned by the Hudson's Bay Company, told Prof. Bell, in 1880, when on the voya«e from York Factory to London, that tn« drift ice they passed on the 23rd September was much worse than any he saw on the outward voyage, that he had never seen ice on that part of the track before, and that he thought a steamer would be sure of a passage at any time, by going in close to the shore. Prof. Bell's words are : " This greatlr surprised me, as it did not appear at all formidable, compared with the continuous t ice I have passed through in a steamer go- ing from St. John's, Newfoundland.to Hal- ifax, when it covered the sea completely for the greater part of the distance. Charles Horetzky who lived at Moose Factory and is well known in Canada, in a letter to Col. Dennis dated 4th Nov. 1878, says that in 1875 the bark "Lady- Head" arrived at Moose Factory,in .Tames' Baj[, on the 20th September, and left again on the 13th October of the same year, and after meeting with an accident in the Bay, reached London in safety, af- ter a 29 days' voyage. He also saya: "By the way, reference has been made to the losses sustained by the Hudson's Bay Co. in the shipwreck of several of their ships. " They never, to the best of my knowl- edge, lost a ship of their own, excepting the "Prince Arthur" and the "Prince of Wales," in 1864, upon the Mansfield Is- land, at the entrance of Hudson's Bay. Both of these really fine vessels went ashore one lovely moonlight night at 10 o'clock. The weather was beautiful at the time and the ships were carrying stud- ding sails alow and aloft on both sides. A few hours previous to the accident the captains of the respective vessels had been interchanging visits, the sea being quiti. calm, sufficiently so at any rate for snip's boats. They were close to the island, consequently should have known danger. No lives were lost and a great noT-tion of the cargoes was saved. In ' umn of the same year (1864) the 8c> . ..mar- tin arrived at Moose Factory from Ifork, about the end of October, just in time to be hauled up out of the fast forming ice." All authorities agree in stating that the ice forms in James' Bay rather earlier than in the portions farther north on ac- count of the sh{|^lowness of the water there, and the ice remains fast for a greater length of time for the same reason. Capt. Ellis, when in search of a north- west passage in 1746, writes in his book that he wintered in the Hayes river at Fort Nelson (now York Factory,) the river freezing on the Slst October. It was quite clear and open, their ships floating on the 16th May of the next spring. Prof. Bell points out the fact that a harbor such as that of Churchill, on Hud- son's Bay, would have the advantage over Quebec or Montreal of connecting directly with the open sea, and hence in the autumn vessels would not be liable to be frozen in, as occasionally happens in the St. Lawrence. It seems to be the universal belief of sailors, who have a knowledge of the Hudson's Strait, that in May and June there is little or no ice there, but that towards the end of June and in July the ice from the far north comes down Fox's Channel, and as the general prevailing winds in those montns are from the northwest it makes it most difficult for sailing vessels to work up against both the head winds and ice. They become helpless as soon as they meet the ice and drift about with it, but steamers could run close into the shores, which show water in plenty, and be in no danger from tides or current. At every rush of the tide, which in the strait is fully thirty feet, the ice coming down Fox's Channel becomes broken up and separated, and steamers could pass through it and the islands which streten across the entrance to the Hudson s Eliis says: "If I have to give any di- rections for avoiding the thickest of the ice in these straits. It would be to keep near the north shore, for we always ob- served that side much the clearest, as not only the winds blow mostly from thence, but currents, too, come out of most of those large openings which are on that side." , ^ Lieut. Chappell, R. N., in command of H, M. S. Rosamond, visited the bay in 1814, and writes: "It is not to be expect- ed that ships, during their return to Eu- rope, will ever meet with loose ice; there- fore, as soon as our ship anchored on York Flats we undid all the preparatwns which had been made for manoeuvenng whilst among the ice." Prof. Hind refers to this same state raent of Chappell's and comments on it as follows: "This is a most important consideration in relation to the navigation of the Hud- son's Strait in the fall of the year. In fact it reduces ice precautions to the early or summer voyages only, and besides con- ferring unexpected safety upon the home- ward voyage it prolongs the season of navigation, so that steamers may remain at York Factory until the new ice begins to be formed about the harbor or mouth of Nelson River. The use of the magneto electric light on approaching either en- trance to the Straits, or the establishment of land signal stations there, provided with powerful electric lights, would greatly assist in promoting safe and speedy navigation during the long nights of the fall of the year, in June and part of July there is little or no night." Out of all the vessels belonging to the Hudson's Bay Company arriving at Yoi^ Factory between the years 1789 and 1880, a list of which was procured by Prof. Bell in London in 1880, not one arrived there before the 2nd August, and in many cases it was as late as the 28th of Sep- tember. ^ , The dates of sailing for England range, I find, all the way from the 25th August to the 7th October. , , ^. The list shows 133 visits of vessels <^the Hudson's Bay Co. from England to York Factory within the years 1789 and 1880. To show that the ships did not sulTer greatly as the result of the passages through the ice, it is well worth noticing that the names of some of the vessels ap- pear in the list over a score of times, and are presumably of the same vessels. Out of these 133 vessels, only the two men- tioned above were lost, and they through gross carelessness. By this accurate statement of the dates of arrivals and departures of the H.B.Co.'s vessels, we have a means of comparing the value of the evidence of their captains, regarding the length of the open seswon of 1 navigation with that of the whalesmen who nave pushed through the Strait at all dates between May and November. The ships of the Company appear only in Aug- ust, September and October. Those of others during parts of May, June, July, August, September, October and Novem- ber. Prof. Hind saj^s: "We do not know how many British whalers have been through the Strait into the Bay." The United States Government returns show that from 1861 to 1874 forty-nine voy- ages direct to Hudson's Bay were made by American whalers, and four vessels were lost. None of thfese four were lost in the Strait; all were lost in the northern part of the Bay. When it is remembered that by all sailors the scene of danger in tne whole passage from England to York is placed in the Strait, it is rather peculiar that no vessels have been lost there, and would lead one to conclude that the ice may delay sailing vessels, but is not ac- tually so dangerous as to destroy them. That some 730 vessels recorded as passing through the Strait into Hudson's Bay should get there without any serious damage is a point that is well worth considering. Prof. Hind in speaking of navigating the strait later than the 1st of October, says : " No ice interferes to prevent a passage. The only trouble is the passage bemg com- paratively narrow, the late season of the year renders it dangerous to a certain ex- tent on account of storms, but by means of the magneto-electric light and light- houses on two or three points in Hudson's Strait you would effectually provide against any mischance. "It appears certain that some of the popular impressions respecting the icy character of Hudson's Strait and Bay have arisen from the accounts which have been published from time to time of the climate and coast line of the Northern Labrador, which is not unfre- quently neared in entering the strait. But tne coast line of Northern Labrador is Ihe unfortunate recipient of the combined effects of no less than three separate Artie or sub- Artie ice streams." "These are the East Greenland ice stream, the Baffin's Bay and Davis' Strait ice streams, and the Hudson's Strait ice stream. All of these ice-encumbered cur- rents meet in the summer on the coast of Northern Labrador, and are the cause of its exceptionally cold climate." An objection to Hudson's Bay naviga- tion often advanced is that as the harbors at Ghui'chill and York are closed so early in the autumn, it makes the season of navigation extremely short in conse- quence. , To disprove this statement, it is only necessary to turn to the table showing the dates of the opening of Hayes River, at York Factory, for a term of 53 years end- ing 1880, given in Prof. Bell's geological report of 1880, and which was obtained at York by him from the records of the Fac- tory. Only once in 53 years did the river re- main closed until the end of May or first of June and in the winter of 1880-81 it did not freeze over at all. The average opening for 53 years is the I5th May. Once (in 1878) the river closed as early as the 3rd November, but the average closing is about the 20th November. About the Nelson Harbor, I will give the authority of Prof. Bell, that most of its estuary becomes dry at low tide, but a channel runs through its centre, as far as the head of tide water. Soundings made showed two fathoms. In continuation of the channel running down the estuary, a " lead" of deeper water extends out into the bay, forming the " York Roads," with excellent anchorage. The Churchill, unlike alUhe other rivers, has a deep, rocky and comparatively nar- row mouth, which can be entered wi^h ease and safety by the largest ships at all stages of the tide. It is a common belief apparently that the passage through the Strait is extreme- ly dangerous, and that few vessels ever find their way through, but where this report arises it is impossible to say, and those who credit the truth of such a statement are unable, I believe, to give any authority for making it. So far as I can find, from lists of vessels entering the Bay, works on the subject, and other sources, only one vessel ever tried the passage and failed to make it, and the captain of that ship was frightened by the iC6a When a Hudson's Bay Company's ship- captain says directly that he believes there is always plenty of open water along the shores of the Strait, it would S3em as if opponents of the "Hudson's Bay route" must look to other sources than the Hudson's Bay Company for their arguments, and it is difficult to say where they can get support for their statements. The substance of this paper, compiled as it is from the best authorities and most credible sources which are open to the writer, is laid before you, so that you may draw your own conclusions and inferences from the facts and statements submitted. . . ;« ,•(■', '11' i. ^U\- M, Mir . :, , sv . ' t ■ ( • i;u..'. ..^ ■,'.'•■'•• ■1,1 ■■ •■.■■•.•' '... .■■■'■ v' , . ,'.'" ' -•■*) »■ ' ' / <>.-.'■,' 4 ,' , ; . f', , ■ ' I".' ■! , - ' - , t 1 i'^: ;i. :l. . -. , • !♦»' "V .-* t Ibubsoii's :fi5a^ Country. « ]••> jI ■ tf^iM ItH Climate, 8oll« Timber, Minerals find Flsherlei^. To tlie Editor of the Frcss Press. I believe it to be the opinion of most people, even of those in ourown Dominion of Canada, that the territory in the neigh- borhood of the Hudson Bay is an arctic, sterile, unproductive, unorofltable coun- try, and entirely useless for any purpose but that of supplying a few furs for the trade of the Hudson Bay Company. Our ideas on this subject have generally been formed from fur traders' reports and cas- ual views of maps, which show us, only, bare stretches of paper crossed here arid there by a network of lines of latitude and longitude, occasional rivers and lake shores, and having a scattering of old Eng- lish and Indian names at irregular inter- vals. Hence we are apt to lose sight of the fact that the Hudson Bay itself extends between the olst and f53rd degrees of north latitude, is about 1,000 miles m length by (iOO in width, and has an area nearly equal to two-thirds the size of the Mediterran- ean Sea. The north of Scotland is as high as the 58th degrae, showing that 7 degrees length, at least of the Bay is in the same latitude as from the English Channel to the north of Scotland. If your readers only kept in their minds the very vague ideas they entertained of what this Province of Manitoba was like as short a distance of time back as ten years ago, I think most of them will re- member that Manitoba was then classed witb the Hudson Bay itself in being only fit for habitation by the Eskimo, Northern Indians and fur traders. We inhabitants of the Northwest are particularly interest- ed in the climate and resources of the Hudson Bay country. It is very clear to intelligent "men at this date that the em- ployes of the Hudson Bay Company arc the last people to whom we must look for practical information of the navigation of tho Hudson Bay and Strait, and the re- sources of its waters and surrounding ter- ritories, and it must be borne in mind that their forts or posts are nearly all, in that part of the country, close down to the bay, on the marshy ground that is generally to be found at tne outlets of the rivers on which they are built, and I will give evi- dence further on to show that these spots, as a ruie, are the coldest and bleakest in the territory. Joseph Robson, in his book nublished in 1752, shows conclusively that the Hudson's Bay Company people did not attempt to .lavigate except in very limited portions of the summer season, and that they even n those early (lays frowned upon every attempt made to open up trade in the vi- cinity of the bay, and as he was at Church- ill and York for several years dating from 1733, and made a number of private explor- ations (on account of which he fell under the great displeasure of the Governor), he knows well whereof he speaks. He writes of "gooseberries and black and red cur- rants growing near the sea, and marshes and low grounds full of good grass, and a patch of ground which, though exposed to the north and northeast winds, produces good radishes, coleworts, turnips, small carrots and lettuces and other salading. Blackberries also grow upon the beach. The cattle here would live and do well, if the same care was taken of them a? is gen- erally taken in England.'' Robson also states: "In summer when the wind is about west-south-west, it becomes sultry, and if it happens to blow fresh, it comes in hot gusts as if it blew from a fire, and the hardest gusts bring the greatest heats; but this is not the case when the wind blows from any other point." This was written as a proof that a gen- ial climate and hospitable region lay in that direction, for it must be explained that at that date nothing was known of the interior to the southwest of York Fac- tory, and the Company's governors would not allow explorations to oe made by their servants. Prof. Macoun to-day grows elo- quent on the subject of the Cininook and other warm winds, that range up to the north from Colorado and Mexico, spread- ing out as they advance, and these very warm air currents are without doubt those felt at York, and mentioned by Robson. I have mentioned to the people that the latitude of York Factory is the same as that of Perth in Scotland, and they ex- claimed, "Oh, but then see the inliuenc of the Gulf stream!" I submit the follow ing in answer: In speaking before the Railway Com mittee of the House of Commons of Can- ada in 1878, Prof. H. Y. Hind explained about those very warm currents of air of the Northwest, that "it may be briefly stated that it is the track of the aerial gulf stream of the Northwset which bears a similar relation to the atmosphere of that part of the North America, as does the gulf stream to the ocean on its coasts. It is influenced by the same unceasing power, namely the earth's rotation, and it sheds its climatic influence over the area it covers^." He also stated: "It can scarcely excite ;iJ surprise that there should be a large tract | with a good climate and great depth of drift clays in the vicinity of the valley of the Nelson River, for the following rea- sons; First, it is the lowest portion of the whole basin of Lake Winnipeg, and is constantly under the influence of the drainage waters from 300,000 square miles of land, lying altogether to tne south of the narrow depression, not, perhaps, more than forty miles broad, through wliich the Nelson River finds its way. The great thickness of drift clays upon several of the rivers, noticed by different observers, on the canoe route from York Factory to Norway House, must necessarily produce a good soil, and the two conditions, soil and a humid climate, concur to sustain an exceptionally fine forest growth for this region, and an abundance of animal life." According to Ballantyne, who wrote so many delightful books on the Northwest, the brigade of H. B. Co. boats leaves York Factory about the end of May, which shows that the rivers are open even in the cold border land of the Bay at that date, and a Rat Portage correspondent of a city paper has reported that this year the Lake of the Woods will not be open before the end of May. Mr. Jukes, who has spent this past win- ter as head of the surveying party for the Hudson Bay Railway Company at York Factory, in a letter to General Rosser, which was dated 8tli March, says that the water was dropping from the trees, the weather was quite mild, and the winter appeared to be breaking up. The ice in the Hudson Bay was such as not to inter- fere in the sliglitest with navigation. He was prosecuting his surveys and explora- tions with success, and had not been com- pelled through the severity of the weather to cease work a single day. In 1742 the Frenchman Joseph la France told Dobbs, the wri^^er, that when with- in a couple of days .v>;irney of York, com- ing down the Nc.^jn River, the Indians informed him that he would find cold weather at the sea, and he wDuld not be- lieve them, as everything was so pleasant looking and the trees were all in full bloom. This explains in some measure the state- ments made regarding the country about the Nelson River being under the influence of such a severe climate. The statements are made by persons who lived at the mouth of the river Extending through a period of oO years a record kept at the Albany river, James Bay, shows that the river is open, on an average, for fully six months of the year, and such is the case also in regard to the Hayes River at York Factory for .52 years, which has had an average of 6 months of open water. The Nelson is open for fully 7 months. In the winter of 1880, the Nel- son did not freeze across at all for some 40 miles above tide water. From an authentic record of the dates of opening and closing of Hayes River at York from the year 1K28 to 1880-1 compiled by William Wood, meteorologist at the fort, and a copy which I have, I find that the average closing was 20th November, and opening l.ith May. Capt. Ellis, who wintered at York Fac- tory with the "Dobbs Galley," and "Califor- nia"' in the years 1740 and 1747, when he was in search of a Northwest passage, says, in his book published in 1748, as fol- lows: "If the weather is cold they have an abundance of beaver skins to clothe them and many other conveniences that put tli«m in some measure at least on a level with those who live in a milder cli- mate. But what in this respect will appear much more extraordinary, I dare asoert, that people from Europe who have lived here for some years prefer it to all other places, and when they leave it and come home with the ships they grow tired of a more moderate climate." Arthur Dobbs, in a most valuable and voluminous work, entitled, "An account of the countries adjoining to Hud- son Bay, etc., published in Lon- don, 1744, writes that the "Hud- son Bay posts are all in the most exposed situations near the Bay, and that the general climate is as good as Southern Poland, nothing wanting to make it so but the building of convenient houses with stoves, such as are used in the same cli- mates in Europe. I copy also the following from his book, "the reason why the manner of living there at present appears to be so dismal to us in Britain is entirely owing to the mo- nopoly and avarice of the Hudson Bay Company, (not to give it a harsher name,) who, to deter others from trading there or makiug settlements, conceal all the advan- tages to be made in that country, and give out that the climate and country, and pas- sage hither, are much worse and more dangerous than they really are, and vastly worse than might be if those seas were more frequented, and proper settlements and improvements were made and proper situations chosen for that purpose. This they do that they may engross a ben- eflcial trade to themselves, and therefore, oblige their captains not to make any charts or journals that may discover those seas or coasts in order to prevent others from sailing to their factories. They also prevent their servants, from giving any account of the climate or countries adjac- ent that might be favorable and induce others to trade and settle there nor do they encourage their servants, cr eVen allow them, to make any Improvements without their factories, unless it be a turnip garden." And again he says:— "In the Intitude a« is a very great and bold inlet to this coun- try into which Capt. Davis sailed 10, and Capt. Weymouth, afterwards 30, leagues. The sea, inlet and coast were full of the finest cod that Davis ever saw. There were great numbers of all sorts of land and water fowl, and the country full of fine woods." The celebrated Capt. Gillam, wintered in James Bay in 1068, it was September before he gjot there, and h6 found that the Rupert River did not freeze until the 9th December, and in April next year the cold was almost over. In 1670 tne river froze over November 6th, and in the fol- ■b 3 lowing spring it was clear on the 20t April. Robson speaks of the lead and copper mines and says the Hudson Bay Com- Sany explained the possession by the In- ians of copper, by saying, that they had broken it oft from the cannon of some ves- sel wrecked on the coast,in some unknown place, not condescending to explain how cannon brass could be hammered into fine copper. ' Scores cf authorities and writers who are well known in British history as cele- brated, as well as clever and experienced \ navigators and adventurers, might be