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Les diagrammes suivants illustrent la m^thode. y errata id to nt ne pelure, ipon d 1 2 3 32X 1 2 3 4 5 6 SPEECH BY :re"v^. :E>i?,i2srcii^.ia^L o-iR.A.iq'rr TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ON The Relation OF OuEtrsUiivERsiT! TO THE Church. r TORONTO : Presbyterian Printing and Publishing Co., Ltd. 1892. K ^n^rmmmmmmmm^m V (\ The Relation of Queen's University TO THE Church. The following is the speech by Principal Grant to the General Assembly on Tune 14, 1892, in closing the debate on his motion to receive and adopt the report of Qaeen's College and University, and the action of the Assembly : — After expressing his regret that he would be obliged to trespass on the time of the Assembly on account of misapprehensions in some minds, he proceeded as follows : — The motion which I have submitted is the same in substance as that which every General Assembly since 1875 has passed. Mr. Clark has moved the following amendment : ** That the report of Queen's College be received and that a committee be named by the Moderator to examine into the whole relations of Qaeen's College to the Presbyterian Church in Canada, and, after conference with the trustees of Queen's College, to recommend some scheme whereby the appointment, control and removal of professors in the theological faculty of Queen's College, and also the direction and regulation of teaching of the theological department of that college, shall be vested in the General Assembly as fully and to the same extent as they now are vested in it in the cases of Knox and Montreal colleges, said com- mittee to report to next General Assembly." Let me call attention to three points connected with this amend- ment. Fiist, it in effect condemns the action of every General Assem- bly since the Union. Mr. Claikdoes not den*, this. His language is explicit. He has said that the action of all previous General Assemblies in this matter was " a solemn farce," and he added in his speech last Saturday, that it was " absurd," and even " perfectly absurd." He declared, too, that he desired to use courteous language. Admitting the desire, one can hardly help asking, what would discourteous lan- guage be ? Clearly, if this Assembly adopts the amendment it en- dorses the atta:k that has been made on the action of all previous assemblies. It is scarcely possible to conceive that we will do this^ for if we do nol respect ourselves other people will not respect us. Secondly, the amendment proposes to appoint a committee charged to recommend a scheme to next General Assembly, involv- ing not so much a change in the relations of Queen's to the Church as a definite change in the constitution of the University itself, a change that the Assembly has never once discussed and that hast. never been considered by the authorities of Queen's. The house has not been even asked to consider what the change would involve, and yet it is so revolutionary that it is simple truth to say that if it had been pressed as a condition of union there would have been no union. Everyone knew in 1874 that the authorities of Queen's would have been well pleased had the united Chur^ih assumed the responsibility of the whole University ; but no one dreamed of proposing to divide the University into two and to have the Principal and other professors in the theological department appointed by one body, and the profes- sors in the other faculties appointed by another body. That would amount to a chinge in the constitution of the University that no one who understands University life would advocate lightly or adopt without mature consideration. Thirdly, Mr. Clark admits: that his amendment is "illogical." That ought to be its sufficient condem- nation. He declares that the Assembly has no power to deal with our report and therefore that it is " illogical " to move that it be received. But, he entirely forgets that this is a union Church an! — as I showed on Saturday — that the relations of the various Colleges to the Assembly is distinctly set forth by actc of Pailiiment. He should read section 7 of the Act of Parliament which preceded the union. Here it is, in part : — •* As soon as the said union takes place the corporation of Knox College shall stand in the same relation to the Presbyterian Church of Canada in which it now stands to the C. P. Church And the corporation of Qaeen's College shall in like manner stand in the same relation to the Presbyterian Church of Canada in which it now stands to the Presbyterian Church of Canada in connection with the Church of Scotland, and all the powers, rights and privileges hitherto exercise 1 and enjoyed by the ministers and members of the Presbyterian Church of Canada in connection with the Church of Scotland as corporators of the said College and by the Synod of the said Presbyterian Church of Canada in connection with the Church of Scotland, in virtue of their relations respectively to Queen's College at Kingston, shall be exercised and enjoyed by the ministers and members of the Presbyterian Church in Canada and by the Supreme Court of the said Presbyterian Church in Canada ; provided always that the said united Church shill not be required to elect trustees for any Arts department in Qaeen's College aforesaid." The Act goes on to treat of the Presbyterian College of Montreal and the corporation of Morrin College in the same way. Language cannot be more explicit. Well, one of the rights and privileges of the Supreme Court of the Church was to deal with the annual report of Queen's. That right was not taken away, and theretore it remains. Apart from the one exception named in the Act, this Assembly is to take the same interest in Queen's that the old Synod took. The amendment is certainly ** illogical." Either the Assembly is free to deal with our report or it is not. If it is, Mr. Claik admits that he has no case. If it is not, how can he contend that the Assembly has o power to deal with the Constitution of Queen's ? The amendment then is admittedly " illogical." I have shewn that it is also opposed to the urbrtktn practice of the General Assembly since (he union and to the act of union, and that it has been moved without consideration of the views of the authorities of Queen's, without thought of the constitution and historical position of Queen's and without giving the Assembly any time to consider the questions and issues involved. I might rest here, but as misleading statements have been made, it is necessary to give a little more light. I pointed out on Saturday that Mr. Clark's method of action was contrary to Presbyterian order. I wish now to show that our action has always been in accordance with our forms of procedure. The legislation of 1S74, modifying the character of Queen's, was effected by authority of the Kirk prior to the union. There was a minoriiy in the C. P. Church opposed to undertaking the responsibility for and the support of the University. There was a strong sentiment in another of the negotiating Churches in sympathy with the minority. So strong was the feeling that the well-known proviso that I have quoted was inserted in the basis of union. Pro- fessor McLaren was right in telling us that the minority in the C. P. Church was small. But Dr. Laing drew his attention to the real point at issue when he pointed out that the old Kirk Synod was cer- tainly not responsible for that proviso, but that it was inserted in deference to the feelings that existed in the negotiating Churches. Our union was to be a union of peace and not a preparation for civil war. Professor McLaren is ir.clined to think that the University and the Kirk should not have sought for the legislation of 1874. He does not attach the importance to the Act of 1889 that Mr. Clark does, for he rightly sees that it was simply another step along the line taken in 1874. Now the only point in which that first legislation modified the charter was by giving the graduates a voice in the man- agement of the University, and I do not believe that university men anywhere or any considerable number of fair minded laymen would agree with him that it was wrong or unwise to give any representa- tion to the graduates. Professor McLaren rose to say that he had not meant to deny the right of representation to the graduates, and Principal Grant re- sumed : — I am very glad to hear it, It is well to know that we are at one on this point ; for the principle of representation is at the oasis of Presbyterianism, and to refuse it to the children of the university when they had become an important body and were doing more for their Alma Mater than any one else, would have been unworthy of our Church. Not in that way will generous youth be attracted to either Church or university. The best minds are drawn to the Church that acts out the highest principles, and they are rep fining and extending the power of the University Council, they pro- pose that the provision be abrogated." In presenting this report I spoke briefly on each section. Re- ferring to the paragraphs just quoted, Mr. Miiligan has cor- rectly stated that I took the position that tests thought necessary fifty years ago were now anachronisms ; and also that by " ex- tending the power" of the University Council it was meant that it should have some representation on the governing board. Such an extension followed legitimately from the legislation of 1874, which created the Council. One-half of the members of the Council were elected by the graduates and belonged to different denominations. They had proved themselves worthy of the trust reposed in them, and it was only right to give to such a Council the power ot elect- ing from their own number some to represent them on the Board of Trustees. What action did the Assembly of 1885 take on this re- port ? No question was asked with regard to Section IV., but a question was asked with regard to the merits of Section V., which dealt with what was then a burning question in Ontario— University Confederation, a scheme into which, we informed the Assembly, that we had declined to enter. This having been satisfactorily answered, a motion to adopt the report was offered by Mr. Miili- gan, and seconded by Hon. David Laird. Mr, Clark moved in amendment that it be " received," and took the same ground that he holds still, that the Assembly had no power to deal with our report. I remember very well the feeling excited by this motion. Mr. Laird remarked that it was too late to take such giound, that it r lould have been taken immediately after the union. Mr. Macdonnell ex- claimed that Mr. Clark might just as well move to abolish the union ! The Assembly divided, and Mr. Clark's amendment was defeated by an overwhelming majority. Note well, this action was taken by Mr. Clark before the legislation* of 1889 was obtained, though that is the ground that he now alleges to be his excuse for moving in the matter. He asked no question then about the legis- lation we proposed to get ; he found no fault with it ; he made no complaint that our report was too brief. Dr. Campbell has told you how keenly he felt, because no one in the Assembly apparently sympathized with his views. He then said to me : " I see that the Assembly takes no interest whatever in Queen's, when no one cares even to ask a question on so important a matter." My an- swer was to the effect that he misunderstood the Assembly ; that the great majority were friendly, but that it did not follow that they should oppose legislation which the trustees considered necessary to ncrease the efficiency and extend the usefulness of the College. 8 The report nf 1885 was adopted, but we delayed taking action until we had fully considered other suggested improve^, in which it is stated on the authority of a Toronto journal that two of our new trustees are Roman Catholics. The press is strong, but the laws of simple addition or of the mul- tiplication table are stronger. Four times one are only four. I have mentioned our four. How can even a newspaper squeez* in two additional units of any denomination? It is well to understand the position of the eld Synod, that "Queen's reported to, on this question of the appointment of professors of theology. The case of Morrin College in 1861 is very suggest- ive. Dr. Morrin himself appointed the first Principal and professor tE3 12 of theology in Morrin, and he named all the trustees save two. He then went to the Synod and asked it to accept the College as one of its training schools for ministers, and to accept the privilege of elect- ing two trustees. The Synod gratefully acceded to his wishes. This Church has gone farther. It has instructed its congregations in the Presbytery of Quebec to send their contributions to Morrin College. And last Saturday, half an hour before our report was read, Morrin College submitted its report, and a motion to receive and adopt it was unanimously agreed to, while from all quarters well-deserved testimony was paid to the memory of the noble man who was its Professor of Theology till his death. Now, I believe that the Church acted wisely in accepting Dr. Morrin's College under the constitution he designed for it, that the Assembly acted wisely in showing to the same Col- lege a further measure of good-will, and that we would do well to accept a similar gift from any patriotic Christian man — say in Van- couver or Victoria, but why should the gentleman, whose zeal for " the inalienable right of the Assembly " makes him lift up his testi- mony when Queen's is concerned, be dumb when the case of any other college comes before the house ? In a country so vast as this and in a Church composed of sections of somewhat different tra- ditions, tiiere must be reasonable forbearance with and trust in each other. We must, above all, remember that we are a Canadian and an historic Church, and that we must allow our institutions to de- velop in accordance with the genius and spirit of the past as well as the necessities of the present. Queen's is developing out of the rich and generous soil of Canadian Presbyterianism, in which it originated, into the great Christian University — for Christianity is wider than Presbyterianism — that its founders contemplated, a Christian University that students of all Churches a. f attracted to, that all denomination? who know anything of its work are proud of, a university that was a protest for freedom to begin with, that has done good work since, and that every broad-minded education- ist wishes to see prosper, because he knows weU that f ch a univer- sity may be even more needed in the not very distant future than it was needed in the past. These are days in which almost all Chris- tians are longing and praying for a greater measure of union than has yet been accomplished. We frankly acknowledge the members of other Churches as brethren. We do so practically in many ways. Is it not one good way to give them the share in the management of our University to which they are entitled ? Then, should union be accomplished, the other Churches will find that in this particular we have anticipated the formal act of union, and feel that they enter into the possession of what they already had in earnest. Moderator, I am anxious not to take up too mucli time, but I may recapitulate briefly before drawing my argument to i's conclusion. I have proved that Mr. Claik has taken a wrong course ; that he has not studied the Act of Union ; that he is apparently ignorant of what previous General Assemblies have done ; that he has not 13 but I acted in accordance with Presbyterian procedure ; and that he has forgotten that a university must develop in accordance with its fun- damental object and with the necessities of its growth. How wrong is the course that he has taken I may be allowed to show by putting myself in his place and asking, what I would do if con- vinced that there was something anomalous in the constitution or practice of Knox or Montreal Colleges. It is permissible to sup- pose that I might be so convinced. The best friends of either would hardly claim that it has attained to ideal excellence. I would need to be convinced in the next place that I was the right man to call attenv'on to the anomaly. In that case I am quite clear as to what I would not do. I would not write letters to thi public press of such a tone and of such a kind that the Chairman of the College Board referred to would feel compelled to denounce them as '• unTrien )ly " and filled with " unfair and misleading statements." Well, I do not think I would do that. In the next place, I would not publish abroad that because of this anomaly the College in question "had forfeited all claim to the liberality of the Church." We know what the efiect of such a statement is, no matter who makes it. We know how easy it is to stop men from giving money. There is evidently something wrong here, they say, and until it is cleared up to our satisfaction we shall button our pockets. And some people are not very anxious to have it cleared up. •' I did a great work last year," a brother once said to me ; "I induced seven congregations to withhold .heir contributions from the Bible Society." "Wonderful," I answered, " and now I will give you something greater to do this yeai." "What is that?" *• Induce one congregation to contribute to any good object." Yes ; Mr. Clark claims to be a friend of Queen's, but there are friends and friends, and they were friends of a different type who re- sponded to my appeals for buildings and endowment. If, however, I had taken the course that seems to me impossible, I hardly think that I would have come to this General Assembly and moved an amend- ment to the ordinary motion adopting the report of the College I had attacked ; or if I thought that consistency compelled me to do so, I should have been very thankful to have found a seconder. I have stated what I would not do. I would not take a course admirably calculated to defeat the end I professed to have in view. Bet I would possibly do something, because I agree with Professor McLaren that it is competent for the Church to ask from Parliament changes in the constitution of any college for which it is at all re- sponsible. He, I am sure, agrees with m; that Mr. Clark has taken the wrong way, an i that in the interest of truth, of good faith, of the honour and the peace of the Church, his amendment must be voted down. What i:hen, is the right way ? I tried hard during four years of anxious negotiations to find that out with regard to all the colleges. For it was not Queen's alone that stood in the way, prior to the 14 union. Montreal aud Knox were tqaally in the way. We Mari time Province men urged the three institutions to unite, in order that the ministers ot the Church might study together and so make •a truly united Church. We knew the dangers that threatened if this were not done. We were indifferent as to where the one college should be, whether in Montreal, Kingston or Toronto. The Church that I was contiec^ed with offered to send its money and its young men to any of these cities if one great institution were established. But not one of the three would yield an inch, though each was will- ing that the others should perform the happy despatch. It was easy then to unite. Montreal had only one building and no endow- ment. Queen's had, it is true, its University position and a modest endowment, t)ut little more. Knox had only its old building. Nothing, however, could be done. We had to take the colleges as they were or do without the union. We decided to take the col- leges and the union ; and from that day every sensible man knew that no college could be tampered with, save with its own consent. They all began at once to strengthen themselves, and their friends re- sponded to the appeals with extraordinary liberality. To suppose that we can do now with any of them what we could not do then is to suppose that a man who could not squeeze putty could squeeze the rock of Gibraltar. Does not this indicate the right way to take ? Instead of boasting that he consulted with uo one, let Mr. Clark remember that " in the multitude of counsellors there is safety." Let him consult at least with those who are nearest him and whose judgment he values most. If between them they can suggest any improvement in the con- stitution of Queen's, we are willing to listen to them. If the sug- gestions commend themselves to our judgment, we will submit them in our next report to the Assembly. If they do not, we will thank those who have interested themselves in our well being. If we reject anything reasonable, then its proposer can come to this Assembly with clean hands by petition or overture or through the lower courts. It may be objected that this method of procedure is tedious. It may take time to consider and thresh out proposals. What of that t The only '^eason that has been suggested tor taking immediate action is that I am not endowed with the gift of immortality. Queen's is all tight now, wt have been told. A certificate of orthodoxy has been- given to all its professors, without their asking for it. I do not offer such certificates to my brethren. To me every minister in this Church is esteemed orthodox, just as he is esteemed honest or pure, until he has been proved the reverse. But, when I die, it has been said that the Board of trustees may possibly look round and select the worst man in the Church to be my successor t Well, the trustees may err. Even a General Assembly may err. But, is it necessary to borrow trouble in that way ? Think of the good old man who testified that he bad endured many troubles and 16 evils during his life, but the worst of them had been those that never happened ! Fathers and brethren I hear the word of the Lord : " Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. The morrow shall take thought for the things of itself." Are there no evils to-day that we are called on to grapple with, alike as churchmen and as citizens? What does the census reveal? That there must be nearly 200,000 Presbyterians in Canada not con- nected with any Church. Is there not work enough for us there ? Does not that fact cry aloud ? It says, do nothing to break in upon your union of hearts ; let each man work along old lines or new lines, only let him work. What revelations have we had also during the past year of corruption among; our public men and of widespread corruption among the people ? Do not these revelations cry to us in tones loud enough to awake the most self satisfied ? Is not this their imperative command to every one who has ears to hear, forget part>, forget prejudice, forget tradition, and let good men of all de- nominations unite and in the name of God save the Church and the country. A vole was then taken on Mr. Clark's amendment to the motion of Principal Grant for the reception and adoption of the report. The amendment was rejected by a vote of 124 to 36. Dr. Moore, of Ottawa, then moved *' That the Assembly receive the report now presented, anl, further, the Assembly in adopting this report call attention of the governing body of Queen's University to the different relation in which its theological department stands to the General Assembly from that held by other theological colleges of the Church, and requests it, namely, the governing body of Queen's, to consider the same with the view of suggesting some modification by which, if possible, the difference may be removed ; the result of this consideration to be reported to next General Assembly." He said that under this motion the matter would be dispassionately con- sidered by the authorities of Queen's, and would be fairly reported upon at the next Assembly. Mr. T. A. Patterson, of Toronto, seconded the amendment. Prir.cipal Grant accepted this amendment. It was in the line of his speech. Besides he wanted to reciprocate the confidence of the Assembly, and the authorities of Queen's were never afraid to trust the Assembly or to consider anything that they were asked to consider. Dr. McRae said that if a Committee were appointed it should be to enquire not into one college only, but into.the relations of all the colleges to the Church. 16 President Forest introduced a resolution covering that suggestion, but as it opened up new matter its considi. ration was deferred until a future tinae. Rev, D. J. Macdonnell changed Dr. Moore's resolution to read as ■follows, in which form it was adopted, Dr. Moore withdrawing his and seconding Mr. Macdonnell's ; " That the Assembly receive the report now presented, and, further, the Assembly in adopting this report calls the attention of the governing body of Queen's University to the desirability of bringing the theological department of Queen's College into closer relations to the Church, and requests the Board to consider the same with the view of suggesting some modification by v^hich if possible this end may be secured." Ihat suggestion, deferred until a ition to read as 'ithdrawiog his sembly receive n adopting this en's University ent of Queen's ts the Buard to nodification by