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The idea had been tlirown out a few days ago that the Bill when introduced would act as a torpedo on his side of the house. He did not anticipate anything of the kind. His hon. friend from Ottawa had declared last night that the Minister of Militia was always audacious, semper aitdax ; he would remind his hon. friend of a quotation (he believed from Virgil,) audaces fortuna jz/w^— (laughter)— and he did not expect that this measure would upset the Government, as the militia mea- sure of 18G3 upset himself and his colleagues in that year. This measure he looked upon as necessary to complete our nati ;nal system, as a Confederation. As he had remarked on former occasions, we had in this Confederation three elements necessary to constitute a nation— the personal, territorial and maritime elements ; but when those three elements of national strength had been obtained there was still another necessary to crown the whole— the military element. (Hear, hear). No nation on earth could pretend to be a nation until it attained the military element, or the power of defence. He did not say 2 that we should have a military orgnnisation with a view to aggression ; we had sulHcient scope at home for our ambition. Our constitution allowed us to extend our Dominion from the Albntie to the Pacifie, and he was as desirous as any one could be that, with a view to this, we should as soon as possible acquire the Morlhwest Territory, and get Jiritisli Columbia brought into the Confederation. Now, with regard to the mea- sure he was about to introduce, he might say he had feit it a duty incumbent on him before submitting it"^ to the house, to make himself acquainted with the milil ia laws of Nova Scotiaand New Brunswick. New Brunswick, he supposed, contained a population of 300,000 and Nova Scotia 400,000, tipper Canada, he supposed, had now a population of between 1,G00,000 and' 1,700,000 and Quebec between 1,300,000 and 1,400.000. Although Ontario, and Quebec had thus by much the larger pro- portion of the inhabitants of the Dominion, still the Maritime Provinces furnished a very important element of defence in their sea-faring population. If we ever had a battle so fight there was no doubt that it would have to be fought to a large extent on the sea, and then, though Ontario and Quebec would have a greater number of men to send into tlie field in the shape of infantry, artillery and cavalry, still, in the matter of maritime defence^ the Maritime Provinces would take the first rank. After this preface, he was now prepared to approach the subject matter of the measure. As he had already said, he had considered not only the law of the late Province of Canada, but the militia laws of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia, and he might add Prince Edward Island, and Ik^ had given direc- tions that all those laws should be distributed in connection with this Bill. He had included those of Prince Kdward Island, because he hoped w(! might ere long welcome it as one ol the Provinces comprising this Union. In preparing this measure he had also had the advantage of the report made by the gallant Colonel at the head of the Militia of the Province of Canada, Colonel MacDougall, who had prepared in tin; shape of a Bill his views as to Militia organization of the country. He (Mr. Cartier) had had the benefit of those views to aid him in bringing this measue before the House. He might also say that he had derived some Ixmefit from the con- sideration of tlu^ measure which in 18()2 upset his government, (laughter). It was due to Col. Lysons and the gentlemen associated with him by His Excellency as a commission to report on t!ie militia laws, that he should say that the measure framed on their report had been a great help to him. (Laughter). The Bill which he had now the honour to introduce to the House divided the militia into active and reserve miiitia. Ihe active niilrtia was to bo composed of volnnteors, of the regnhir inilitia and of the marine militia. The reserve militi-i would bo eomposed of the men who would not be called to serve in any one of these eai)ae)lies. The militia in ijeneral would be composed of the male inhabitants of the Dominion between 18 and GO years of a-e, who would all be liable to be called out in ease of a /eiv/e en ma^se. Thr militia would bo divided into iour classes. The first would comprise! all male mhabitants betwe<'n th.« a-es of 18 and 30, unmarried or widowers without (children ; the 2nd class would comprise those froui 30 to -15 .mmarried or widowers without children : Hie Jrd class would comprise male inhabitants from 18 to 45 married or widov/ers havin,£? children ; the Ith class woulc? compris*.^ the very n'spc-clahle class consistino of male inhabi-l lants from 4o to (iO years of a-e. The Mill permitted the or-anL nation of volunteers as under the existin- lau-^. A c-ertainlime would be allowed within which volunteers mi-ht enrol them- selves and then if the number was not sullicient the bill pro- posed lor the bllm- up of service Companies, so that the number mnnn"'' . m"'" ^'V"''-'"^"^ "'^' Dominion should not be less than 40,000, win le at the same time the olllcers of the reserve MiHtia or such proportion of them as the Governor General micrht lix should hv. obtained to tmin alon- with the; service company men. If any re-imental division did not fur- iiisli Its lull quota of active service uicn by means of ^olunteerln,<,^ tlu'U the necessary number of s(>rvjce men should be drawn by ballot irom the regimental division. The B'di' provided that the Dominion should be divided into nine mi litmy districts, of which New Brunswick sho.dd form one and Nova Scotia one, while Quebec- should be divided into three, an( Ontario into four districts. At the head of each district there would be a District Dcjm.Iv Adjutant General With a sulhcent stall to help him ;o see that the militia laws wore properly carried out in his district. The Bill also pro'- vided thai the Dominion should be divid.xl into such number ol regimental divisions as may be thoucrht proper, with power to increase or a her them whenever circumstances ini-ht appear 'l'^f^^:^^^\: ,\i\^-\^on\dh.. determined that the Dominion should be divided into two hundred regimental divisions, then according to our present population, Ontario would have 88,' Quebec, GS, Nova Scotia 24, and New Brunswick 20 Besides the regimental divisions there would be a topographical coml pany division. The Bill provided for the! appdintment 7a heutenant-colonci and two majors for every regimental division with captains, leutenants, ensigns, and such non-commissioned oihcers as might be necessary. From the regimemal divisions would be furnislicd in umc of peace such sr-rvico eouipaiiies lo be trained as would make up llie nuruber of lime of ll!(> Fenian raid there Avere about 31,000 enrolled volunteers, but the numiicr had diminished since. Aecordinj^ \o the statistics he had received from New Brunswick, the number of vohuUcers there was about 2,000. As regarded \ova Scotia he had no accu- rate data. The j)resent measure was to some extent compul- fiory ; the volunteering system was left, but if, under that system, the numlicr was not bron£,dit up lo 40,000, then the ballot would be brourj^hl into requisition; so that each rciji- mental division should furnish its cjuola. 'J\) m-ke uo tTie number to 40,000, U|)per Canada would have to furnish 17 500 • Lower Canada 13,500 ; New lirmiswielc 4,000 : and Nova Scotja 5,000. Each reirimenlal division would furnish its quota, not accoidinir to its strength in pojjulation, but a(a:ordini( to Its actual strcn^lh on the roll of men enrolled for militia service. If the ballot should be necessary in any ycfiiniental division, ihe service company men would be selected,— 1st. from unmarried men belwccn the ages of IS and 30,'and if tjiese were not sudlcient, then from the unmarried jnen belwccn 30 and 45 ; next, from the married men between 18 and 45 ; lastly, although he suj)posed that would never be necessary^ Irom those beUvecMi 45 and (JO. As regarded iIk- organization ol the regimental divisions, the enrolment would be made by the Captain of each Company, with the help of the other othi-ers and non-conunissioned olhcers. The Captain wa.«i empowered lo call at (>very house, to make such inquiry with regard lo the militia men owing militia dulv, and to obtain such other information as wcmld cnabh' hiui to make out his rolls. This duly would not be repeated each year, but only each ahernate year. The cumbroiis syi^lem of calling upon the assessors in each umnicipality lo make the enrolment, had proved un.successful, the returns not being accurate. Under the existing system there was tlu^ inconvenience of three (>p(>ratioiis ; first, a relurn by ihe assessors; second, a drawing irom these returns by the Sheriffs in U))per Canada, and Reiris^ trars in Lower Canada, the a(;tive service battalions ; and third, the ^oing from house lo house by the captains of each company m the service battalion to enrol his men. Under this aw some fcO,000 or 90,000 men had been drawn, but no u.sc had ever been made of them. Another defect of the existing laws was that it did not provide machinery ibr showing Mdia^ was the strength of the non-service militia. Of all the pro- fit would )(• iiol CVS I rill ,M,ri,t J,,.. . ,.,'^ . •^*^'' "i"->t.iyjoai 't.a-n corps or company could drill on :rnv days beyond ih J m.t Nv ncl. un^l,, he agreeable ,<. then,, or' wl ^h S ^ not co.np.cl,cn..- .1, ,■ ii .. '"''^li?'' on Kngf ,Ki, as <.o,.,par^''.-ir 111 , ' " r:,::rT^'z\kl vessc]^ l,u w hat ln! xvas dclicicu j,, ^^.:,^ ^,,11,,,., , . ' and po,m<,d „,u ^vi,l, ,-osa„l ,0 E„.|a,„|. ,l,a, iC I |, ,■ navv- we li„cl (0,000 scalanng iiu-Ti lieiu mnsl Lc rtW.rdccl llu'iefnr Bd ,be caplaa,, in ,„a|,ing hi, enrolmc,,,, wo M I avo u' It has l>f( n staled m llie Lcnver Provhici's, in order to excite e projnd,c,.s o a portion „f,he inhahiiants, tl,a heir -Vini t'a uonid he hrottght „p ,0 defend „. here. AVcl'l ■ as » 'giLfed tite G seafaring incwi and sailors, \\o. would say llicv would not he obliged to imdortaki; any Military duly, l)(>canso llic best Iraininp tliry eoidd have was llicir actual ''Miployun'Ut on the sea or on our inland waters. This measure did not profess to organize the Marint; Militia. That was a matter left for regu- lation by the (Jovernor in Council. At the same time ample provision was given to eneouriige the organization of naval corps and companies. He believtid his Nova Scolia and New Brunswick friends would find that under the organization which he now submitted, they would be subjected so less arduous militia duties than they were now subjected to by their own laws. He was told that iheri' was a |)r{nision in the Nova Scotia Militia law which enal)lcd the (iovernor to order the whole population owing militia duly to drill any number of days in the year. IJy iIk; last order, if Ik; was <'or- roctly informed, tlu^ whole tuilitia men in \ova Scotia were obliged to undergo militia training during live days in the year. That is to say, between 35,000 an(i 10,000 men were called to do militia duty at great inconvenience. Under the present bill, Nova Scotia would only be re(|uircd to furnish 5,000 men for actual militia duty. Mr. Cartier thru explained that the division according to ages in the present bill, he had taken from the measure for reorganizing of tli(^ army which had recently passed the French chambers. Jle was satisfiyd that among the young men from IS to 30, they would lind a sufUcient number to comph^te the 10,000 men r(M|uired to drill, even supposing there should be no volunteer organization. The result would b(^ that (;very two years then* would be 10,000 young men disseminated amongst all jjortions of Canada, after having acqiured considerable familiarity with the use of arms, and whose training would be found viduable if necessity should ever again re(|nire them to be called out for actual service. As he had already stated, nol only the 10,000 active service men, with their oIFkuu-s, would be trained, hut all the ofllcers of the reserve militia would be required to drill with them, and would thus be better qualified I'or command, if in case of war or other emergency a greater number of the militia than those '10,000 should be' called out. If there were 200 regimental divisions, there would be thirty ollicers to each regiment, making the number of non-service olhcu^rs to be trained 0,000; if there were 300 regimental divisions th(> number would be 9,000, and so on. The active service men with their ollicers and llu; non- service ollicers would all be paid at the same rate for drill — 50 cents a day. The Hill of 181)2 was defeated because it was objected that it was too expensive, too large; and yet when the member for Cornwall introduced a )iieasurc, the first thing he r r aiskrd was an ii|)|»r(»pi-l:ili()ii of $2r)(),00() for tlu organi/.alion of voluiiliMTs — the Jaii^fst amoiinl \vlii(tli liad ever Ix'fii appropri- iilcdfor iiiilitiasci-vicc iiptoiliat time, in tlic following y(-'ar, the member for Cornwall inlrodueed a moastire providing lor a still larger organization and requiring still larger expenditure. Since then, very iiiueli larger exptMiditiires had hecome necessary lirst, to prevent a reenrrence of proce(;dings like the Si. Alhans' raid, and next, to meet the Fenians ; but he believed no portion of tin; inhabitants had grudg'd those •expenditures. 'J'he Kenian raid had given us, in a measure that education as lo the question of defence, which we had not when the Hill of 1802 was rejected, lie was bound here to pay a compliment and he did it with great pleasure to m\ olheer of the mililia, appointed by the member for Cornwall, he alluded to IJeiit. Colonel Powell. The (ixperience we had' Jiad of the services of that worthy oilieer had proved to him that no better appointmeni to the olliee of Deputy Adjutant-General of JMilitia could have been made. (IJcar.) He went on to express his opinion that the Imperial Government would be satisfied with the number which this bill provided should be trained for active service, lie then enlarged on what might be accomplished by our 700,()()() mililia men. Looking at the way in wlii(;h the four millions of Southern whiles are famishing, where 400,000 fighting men had delench'd their coinitry for four years against twenly-ibur millions of the; north who had put into the field during the war 2,()00,0()a men, we would be in a far better position to mc'ctthe diliiculty than the Southerners, if it should be our misfortune to face; an invasion even from the American nation, for wo woukl have 700,000 of our own Ih to bear arms besides having the whole power of England at our back and the sea op(;n to us, (Hear, hear.) In the present bill the •number of exemptions were very limited, only Judges and Clergy were not liable to bear arms, and one ortwootherdasses. As regarded Quakers, they woul .1 not be required to take part in anything connected with actual fighting. He went on to explain that his reason for taking the control of the Militia Department was because its duties wan-c arduous and he desired to engage in them, liesidcs, it was a diversity, and in his time he had occupied various important positions. He had had much lo do with their educational legislation ; with their railway legislation ; with the codification of the laws, and with the appointments lo the bench and bar, as was evidenced by the discussion last night. (Laughter.) Now, he assumed control of the Militia Department and hoped to give satisfaction in the discharge of its duties. (Hear and laughter.) Now he tame to the bill of costs— the " to be or not to be" he supposed, 8 of the whole schrmc, and as ho approached this jmrtion of" the subject, he warned hon. ^enlhinen not to place too much faith in newspaper statements concerning the expenses of the militia organi/alion. Before tjDiiiiij further he desired to call the attention of th(! member tor ('hafeauguay to another .idjject german to this — Inrtilication. That was a , it would tims bo seen, they had s|)e'it on an avcrag*' more than '{j)l,rj()0,- 000 a year on the mililia, aiui ihcrc was somcthini,' lo show to their credit on account o! this iaii,'e expenditure. The (iovern- nu'nt of ('aua(hi had in store, paid lor, '*,tr)7,()00 worth of pro- perty, and in the hands of the militia and volunteers they hiid fS2H,00a elothini,^ &c. 'J'hen they had the value of the drill- yheds in the two provinces, Upper and Lower (Canada, amount- ing;,' lo !g,8J,0()0. The value of their gim boats was «jf,3;3,000, inakin drill would he ,j5 160,000, and for ihcir horses c^ wo,dd ^- an expendmne ol' ^15,000. Wi.h regard to the lerv ee eorrnvani.s, ho ^vould not a.k an appropnation exceed- in ' he Vxpindiln;e i(>r eight day.' drill lor the Urst year. 1 e macU^ .Js cahndation on ^20,000 service- nrd.t.a .nen, aUnght dtv< makin-$il 28,000; and th.en there were 0,000 othces. tr he tended these shoidd receive ^,1 a day ; bnt, nltnnately, t was resolved to put all the olUeers on the r(>serve vohm eer Co on 50 cents par day, and co.isecpiently the expendUure nnlertds head ^v•onldl,e reduced. At $\ per f Y -.^ '' - g!I)00 olheers ^vould cost i^l8 000 ; bnt, as he said, the 'illownnec had been reduced one-hall. Z MACKENZlK--Svn-ely the hon. gentleman docs not i->nt n 000 ollicers to 20,000 men. . ^ [u^M CARTIKK sahl he alladed to ,he a< liv.^ and ser- vice militia n.en. By the Bill he introdncc. j! -Pl^'^ country divhled inio 200 battalions, ^v.th 30 (.lh(•el^ 1" •^^; ' SdiL, making G,000. The transport ol ^'''-;---- f 'j J fikincTthe ballot and unloreseen expenses, he s( t down at C 3 000 takin.^ the enrolment $32,000 ; and ih.s would be tnf cv^rv alt^-aate year by the -U^'-n oi <«vcn^ eornj^my division, Who would receive a sum to mak a ens s^ « ecm^d in- to ihV nuud.er of militiamen to b(> ein'O led. Aitti the liis "mohre t thMu>vernuuuit ^^ould have ol course better data U^rr For the Brigade Majors, the estunaled expense was *.?000 the sun. lormerlv voted for tins pnrpose by he I lo- fhrcecV Canada. being'$10,000. The.r lor Drdl Instructors, ^iHll^EN/lK'-That isnu>re than half as rrmch again '''hI^Mv' C AKTfEK replied that this was owing to die ex"a prov ;ion lor New BrLswick and Nova Scotm, and .dsc> UM ovide for the increasing population m Quebec and On- ar^ Mil ary stores, great Voats and accoutrements cam ^;t_^ O0(^lto,e,he?annnally. The whole --J-ce o - Srmcd und.-r hi^^ Bill came to an expense of ;bi^00,000 ad peiioimta Of eourse, he had not inchided any ^mZUdc' Dominion Parliament might choo.e to :;::;;;i:;e lor .inn sheds, lor the policy ';^;l>;;^-,;^q;^i ment ol Canada in that respeet ought to be ^"^ ^1^ ^ Ivould bcM-arried out. Now, in conclusion, hv would say h( r^falmost c^hainecl of coming before that great House ol CommZ, a.Kl asking so sm.U an amount ol money to enable ^''m"i[^IcKRN>^E--T1: hon^^^ i>- -, often sinned in that direction. (Laughter.) 12 Hon. Mr. C ARTIER knew lie liad been a sinner ; bnl tlioiifrlit for this measure, nl all events, lie deserved joraise. He thought ho would deserve credit for maintaining 40,000 men and 0,000 ollicers in a state; of elHcieney at the small eharge of ^900,000. The meml)cr for Chaieauguay was no doubt astonished (laughter) but that sum was all he (Mr. CartJer) meant to ask for. Mr. MACKENZIE — In oalculaling tho expenses last year, the lion, gentleman included the evpenditurc on gunboats — an item of iff, 153,000, and with the view api)ar('ntly that this pre- sent m(iasure should contrast as favourably as possible with that before in force, ho had omitted to include any expense under this head. Hon. Mr. CARTIER would exjilain gladly. Last year gun- boats liadjo be purchas(Hl ; heiifc the expf!nditure. Now the Government had two gunboats, and ntieded no vote of eonse- (juence for that service. IJesides, most of the expenditure for the gunboats would be providenl by the Imperial Government. In answer to Hon. JOHN SANDFIELD McDONALD. Hon. Mr. CARTIi'Ml said it was provided with regaia to the assembling of service comj)anies that it should be done by regulations enat^ted from time to time, to suit each district. He would add that perhaps the $000,000 asked for would not be spent, in this case, a portion mighjt l)e applied to the procuring of tents to shelter the service companies. From a statement of prices before him he found that the English prices for 200 regi- mental division tents, ollicers and privates, would aniountto $86,000. It was also ])rovided by the Hill that the Governor in Council should make regidations with regard to the carrying out of th(^ measure, and these regulations would be laid before Parliament during the first twenty or thirty days of the session. With regard to the enrolment in time of war, (!very one would be obliged to serve, with ttie privilege of securing a substitute : in time of peace every man will be obliged to servf-, but can supply a substitute or [);iv "^^30. In reply to Hon. Mr. "lOLTOX. Hon. Mr. CARTIER said that before the second reading, the correspondence respecting the organization of the Militia and Fortifications of tlie country would l)e lironght down to the House, as also tho laws of New Ijrunswi(tk, Nova Scotia and Canada, to assist in the discussion of this measure. In reply to Mr. JONES. Hon. Mr. CARTIER. said there was nolaw to compel young men educ;ited in the military schools to remain in the country. They were free to come and go when they wished, but the country woidd at all events have the honour of giving such as 13 (lid leave a good niililary edncalion. The young men in llic eiiuntry, he was liappy to say, were iired by niililary ardour. They knew that 5(),()6l) men iVoni Canada enrolled themselves in the Northern ranks during the war. Again ihey liad 150 young men who w -nt voluntarily and enrolled themselves in ihe Ponlifieal army. They went to fight against Garibaldi, who was nothing but an llalian Fenian — (loud laughlcr)— and went to uphold his Holiness, who was one ot'lhe staunehcsl opponents of Feniiuiism. lie (Mr. Cartier) knew this, for when an hon. gentleman (Mr. McGcc) and himself had the lionour of an audience with his Holiness, the first question he addressed to him (Mr. Cartier) was " My dear child, I iiope these Yankee Irish Fenians have ceased to trouble you." The whole Catholic Church, he might add, was opposed to Fenianism. (Cheers). Hon. J. S. McDonald allnded 1o the measure of ISG2 as showing the distaste of th(.' peoj)le of Canada to lieing coerced into military service. lU' i)eiieved that in the absence of danger the jjresent or any other measure introduced would be a dead letter as regarded die mass of the Militia ; but let •danger once arise, and every man in Canada would be j)rcpared to rush to arms in deience of his home and country. He alluded to the heartiness with which large appropriations for the defence of the country had l)cen carried in the House, and the unanimity with which this action of tiie representatives had been iegarde*d by the people. Tlie Minir;1{U' of Militia had drawn a glowing ])ictu.re of the valorous deeds which would be achieved by the 700,000 lighting men whom Canada could place in the field, but. he knew well that this iJill did nothing for the military training of this Ixxly of men, except the service men. He then alluded to the vioh;nt attacks made on him- self by Mr. Cartwright and other gentlemen on the opposite side, because of the alleged short-comings of his measure. The gentlemen drew their inspiration iVoin ;i Despatch from the €oionial OHice requiring Canada to maintain 50,000 men in a state of eilicient drill. Among others who made incessant attacks on him, because his patriotism did not reach that pitch, was the present Mlni-I<'r of Finance. He wished to know what these gentlemen would find it incumbent on them to say now, when under circumstanc(>s more menacing of danger, and with two other Provinces added 1o tlie Union, the Minister of Militia was now content with 10,000 men. (Hear, hear.) He proceeded to read passages from the Duke of Newcastle's Despatch, which, besides requiring 50,000 men, demanded that. we should set apart a ccriain sum of money for purposes of defence for five years beyond the domain of our ow'n Parlia- 14 rneiit and nnclcr llio fr>ntrol of llie Imperial Government. He r«'ferred lo llio prompt answer given by his government, that llio people of this country would adhere to the principle that when they raised money, they should have the disposal of it themselves, and that it was b(!yond the resources of this (country that 50,000 men shonkl be drilled in the manner proposed. He and llie honourable gentlemen who were his colleagnes had now the satisfaction of (inding that the j)rinciples they had laid down in regard to the number of men and the expense they would incur, and which met the hostility of the gentlemen opposite, were tlic very principh^s of the measure^ no\y submitted. (Hear, hear.) The Hill, from the explanations which had been given, Ik; thought should receive the support of the House. The only material difl(>renc(! between it and hist own measure was as to the machinery of enrolment, his measure in that respect did not cost the country anything, while by the present bill $,32,000 was asked for the enrolment by the captains. He did not know what tlu^ gentlemen who formed t!'> regular opposition might say of the bill, but to his '"vn mind the general outlines of it which had been submitted were satisfactory, it was in fact a carrying out of the measure of his (iNIr. Saiidliehl McDonald's) Government. He proceeded to refer to the great interest taken by Lord IVtonck in militia matters and tlu^ assistanc(! he had received from him in preparing his measure. He then exprn they made up their minds they were right Cand he well knew that Mr. Powell's business abilities fitted him for the ])()siti<)n), they should go ahead, and the day would come when th(>y would be compen- sated for the abuse which at the time they 'might receive. Mr. MACKENZIE said he had anticipated, from the known proclivities of the Minister of IMilitia, that he would have sub- mitted a very diU'erent lull from that whii-li had been actually j)resented to the House. As that honorable gentleman Jiad frequently declared that he never regretted anything he did, he had expected we would have had the famous Lysons bill presented again. He supposed the people generally would not be sorry that this expectation had not been realized. (Hear.) But taking a cursory view of the scheme as presented, he thought it was either too little or too much. It ap;,eared to hi)n that the sum of money to he appropriated was far more than enough to accomplish the results sought to be obtained. 15 The bill, therefore, was insuflicient as regarded what it would achieve ; or it was too dear for what we would get. He was glad, however, 1o infer from what had fallen from the Minister of Militia, that he had succeeded in satisfying the English Government, and also the Commander of our Militia, Col. Macdougall, who, it was rumoured, had prepared a bill very different from this in its character. He could not enter to-night into any discussion of details, until he had the bill before him, to contrast it with the present law ; but he would say that so far as the gentlemen on the side of the House with whom he. generally acted were concerned, the Minister of Militia would receive from them no factious opposition in this matter more than in any other matter; but thiit they would be prepared to support the Government in any Military expenditure which might be considered necessary, when the defejice of the coun- try and the honour of the emi)ire were concerned. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Mackenzie then referred to the diflerent treatment given by gentlemen opposite to the Government of the member for Corn- wall at the time when they laid down their policy on the (jues- tion of defence, in the Despatcii which had been alluded to, and which he characterized as the best written state paper which he had ever seen emanating from this country. He then referred to a remark of Mr. Cartier's as to the number of the .•seafaring population of Great Britain, and gave the correct figures, showing that Britain and her colonies, in the commerce and marine, had alloat on the sea a total of 432,000 men, and said that those figures were consoling when they read the taunt occasionally spoken of in the United States about the decadence of the British power. (Clieers). He closed by stating that he would embrace the opportunity allorded by the second reading of the Bill, to give at greater length his views on the measure and the question of defence generally. Hon. Mr. ])ORIO\ contrasted 'the features of this Bill with \\\e existing law introdu(;ed by tlie Government of which he was a member, and slated that this measure ])ut restric- tions to volunteering by confining the number of volunteers in any regimental division to the cjuota that division was required to furnish. Jn districts where the cfuola was not furnished by volunteering, resort would be had to the ballot. By this Bill therefore the compulsory system was substituted for the volun- teer syst(MU. He saw no good re ison for J^ueh a change, on the (contrary, he thought every encouiv gement should be given to volunteering. Hon. Mr. CARIMKR made some remarks in reply to obser- vations by previous speakers. He said althougii he and his friends had found fault with the short-comings of the member 1G for Cornwall, tlu\y had voted lor his in(3asurc. He hoped similar treat meiil would be accorded to the measure lie now jntrofluced, even by those who might be disposed to criticise some ol its features. Mr. CAUTVV'RKJIIT was as firmly convinced as ever that the conduct of Parliament in refusing the measure of 18G2 was unpatriotic and such as had injured the country. In reply to Mr. BLANCflET. Hon. Mr. CAllTIEIl said the volunteer service was reduced from five lo three years, with the j^rivilege of leaving on six months' notice, except when on actual service. They wouhl have no remuneration save thai of the feeling of honor conse- quent on the faithfnl discharge of their duly. The Governor had power to divide the country into geographical and regi- mental divisions. The battalions were to be formed of all the service and volunteer companies. The country was divided into 9 districts, these to be sub-divided into regimental divi- sions, and again into company divisions. It is proposed that Low(u- Canada be divided into three districts ; Ontario four districts, and New Brunswick and Nova Scotia one district each. He further explained that he intended to move the se- cond reading of the Bill for Easier Tuesday.