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The meeting was the iiaigest whiqh has taken place for years^ and among these present we observed the following Clergymen and Laity:-- * ' THE ioTU> BISHOP IW TH« XBAfB. ^ The Yen. tlie Archdeacon of EiMton, the HoQ.die Chief Juitice» Chief Justice Macaulay, Hon. Judg^ PrtpWyRon. John H/Cam^n. Rev. IIJ. 6rasett,Rev. R.Mitche]ie,Eev.T.B.FnUer» |t. D., Rev. 8. Oivlns, R. J>,, Rev, P. £. Blakei ^^ R. D., R«v. T, Green, Rev. B. Cronyn, Rev. W. Bettridge, Rev. S. B. Ardafh, Rev. Dr, Beaven, Vrovoet Whitaker, Profetaor Parry, Rev. Dr. Lett, Rev. Dr. Lundy, Rev. A. F. Atkinion, Rev. F. L. Otler, Rev. H. B. O^ler, Rev. A. Saneon, Rev. B. C. Hi)l| Rev. J. O* D. Mackensie. Rev. H. BreQt, Rev. A. Dixon, Rev. R. Mftcgeorge, Rev. £. StinMn, Rev. C. L. Ingles, Rev. H C. Cooper, Rev. W 8 Darling, Rev. D McNab, Rev R. ShankJin, Rev. W. Marsh, Rev. C. Biough, Hon. PB.De Blaquiere, Dr. Bumside, Hon. (fol. Allan, J. Arnold Esq., G. O. O'Brien, Esq., Dr. O'Brien, John Duggan, Esq., Dr. Mewburn, A. Dixon, Esq., Dr. Stratford, H. Rowsell, £sq.,T* P. Robarts, Esq., D.Crawforo, R. Cooper, T. W. Birchall, Dr. Mackelcan, H. Mortimer, Esq., J. H. Haggarty, Esq., Charles Magratb, S. Thomp* son. Esq , J. Robinson, Esq., George Duggan, W« M. Westmacott, Gamble, Louis Motfkt, J. W. Brent, Peter Peterson^ D. Boulton, George rAllen, Esq., E. T. Dartnell, W. Atkinson, S. B. Harman, H^ C. Baker, Esq, Rev. £. Baldwin, Rev A. townley. Rev J. G. Geddes, Dalton McCarthy, " The meeting baviiiff been opened with prayer, and the Lord bishop having taken the chiur, letters were read from Hon. Vice* Chancellor Spragge> Rev. £. Denroche, Rev.. S. S. $tft>ng, Rev. F. Evans, Rev. S. Armour, and the SeoTetar|r of the Nfipanee Branch of the Church Society, &o«, enclosing resolu- tioQS of the vestry of that place upon the question. The JLord Bishop of Toronto then ^ rose and spoke as follows :— RbV. GenITLVMBV, AMD OiNTLiMBN: TIlis special meeting of the Church Society has been summoned to take into consideratioo the 14th and l6th Victoria, chip. 175. entitled, " An Act to repeal so much ofan Act of the Parliament • v/ '■Hi ^-teKi^.--— ^iii 'l/ imT • •' \ ' ' "W k ■■-rS^^-p^ WPJ^E'^W" "^^"^'■*" n^TW*?^^ '^^.^^*^''7™''5^ ""*;** ■^^^•'^^■^^ -"Jf -f/^^MIf /"^'WS" f ^J^!;- of Gmt BritAin p tt u d in tht'dlsC ytv of th« rtiffi of King Otorgo tho Third, chftp. 31, •• r«UtM to RectoriM, tnd tht pitotntatioii of Incumbonti to the ttmt, and for othtr purpoMt connoctod with tho Roctoriat.** Whon thit Statutf poned the Logiilatura of tho Colony in Aofott, 1861 , 1 hipponod to bt abotnt ConArmiof , tnd know nothing of iti pvo? ifiont till my roturn : thii I vary much romti boesuM it would hovt boon my duty to potitSon against it, at not only invading tho prerogatiTO of tho Crown, and incontiatent with the mpeet diie to the National Chnrch, by ignoring the Bia^ in mat- iara in which he (k officially intereatad, bat aa introducing a mode of transacting feecleaiaatical busineaa unknown to the Church Catholic in any age or countnr. I had, narertheleaa. aome conao- lation in the nope that it Would not ba aanctiontd by the Jtnperi%l Government, and that ita refer- ence ^o England would be the laat we ahonld hear of it. In this I am disappointed; for while on a journey of Confirmation last summer I learned that the measure had been returned with the Queen's apnrobatiqn, and, having been proclaim- ed by His £xcellencjy the dovemor GeiDeral, in the usual manner, had become tha law of the Province. No copy of the Act has ever been officially sent to me, nor was it without soma difficulty that I procured one lata in September : and on the first assembling of the Society in Oc- tober steps were taken to conveaa tUa apecial meeting. ^ r^ What the motivea may have bean whieh ang* geated this Statnte in its preaant abiqpa, [ am un- able to conjectarer bat the graateat cqppooaDt of the Chareh coald acarealy hata daviaad a maaaora more pregnant with tfoablt and parpioity, •$ U already moamAilly proved by tisi bobimiiMs aiKl tonllietinf ackamaa aat alleat to artaBta ita ra- dniramanta. Let na then, iHy brethnn, aamasUy _^ « 'fs^W'*'.n W^- fnif thit Um IMtIm Spirit mtf praiid* «t our pntiBt dalibemtioiii, Mid oTci^niU tbtnr for IBDod. flbmiicli has Ura laid aboat the lUctoritt in in aaiHtiidly tpirit, and m Uttla in their dafirae*, that rarj law panons poaaatt any oorract know ladga raapactinf tham, while numbara concaita thain to ba a monatroua avili which ought aaaoon itjMaaibla to ba abated. Thia batnc the caaa, a iaw ramarka on their oiigini nimiDar, ind praient yaloa, noay not on the p i eaant oeeaaion oe onaaaaonabla. f or ware It generally known that landa equal in> quantity to the whole of the endowmenta attached to the Reetoriea migfat have been parchaaed for a tri* fling amount, even ao lata aa 1818, and that they comer on their Incumbenta no power beyond what a laaaa lor life givea to ita holder, we might reaaonaUy hope that the prejudicea and hoatiuty againat them would aoon paaa awa^, or become, too fteble to produce a renewed agitatioi^|/ - The number of Reetoriea eatabliahed iyrfljord iSaatoQ towai4a la^idoie of 1836 and beginninc of. lSa6> waa 07, but of theae only 44 were complat- ad before Hia Lordahip% departure : theae were endowed with landa amounting in all to 17,368 jicrea, glTlng an average of about 400 acrea to each Sactonr. Thirteen remained incompl^ The naeepary documanta were indeed prepared, but tha Govainor'a aigBiUiire waai for aoma caoaa, j^i^ t^f^^mA ^ th en l* *'-.■'■■.■ A ebUiderabla portion of the land which forma Iha endowment of the^Rectoriea waa aet aaide at ifae fiif^ a^Oaipeat of Upper Canada, during the tiapa pf OtMial Haldimand, Lord Dorcheeter, iiM Clfaaial#oiieoa, and the Tfmidnder waa made fq^ o^^liriy lUaarvaaL At that early period tha 1^1 IM CfawQ \mi acqnifad no money ini. Wli #Mikt"t«>wid gfitlaM all •Pif>««wS I J fQ9t|p||i4 it'^ mfira ^ovumI prices Ib ITW ^f ^iPQFMf Ptriifii wai d&Mred: for Sdioql 'VI ^"l ^ i "^T ^pr^' I ' > : Unas, and to rtelfttly tf 1#18 lindi night hKn b6tn purehcttd iatlM d^pt of MUitary and U. 9. rifhtf . tl «boat one thiUiiif ptr acr*— that is, • quaiititj of land aqoal to tha wliola apdowoMiit tf Ractoriai might bava baan obtainad lor laaa tbaa a tbonaand poanda. and) altboogb tba CoIobt baa graatly Vroaparcd amca tbat period, and landa ara mucb anbanoad in valoai tbia anm axeaada all tbat tba Ractoriaa can, witb any ploa of joatiea, b« aaid to bava coat tba public Sucb la tba tnia attimata ol tba proparty ba- longing to tba 44 Ractoriaa about wbicb ao mucb clamour baa baanrdiad. ' ^ '« Tbasa Ractoriaa ara acattarad oTar »a wbota Provinca of Upper Canada, an araaof mora tban 30,000 aquara miles. Some of tbam baling been more tbui balf a century in p oa s aa si oo of tba Cburcb, are mucb improTod, and bare cburcbes and bouaea built upon tbam. A few atill remain a wilderness, but tbe greater number bava bfen partially cleared at tba expense of tbe Incumbents and tbeir congregations^ If it be asked wby a matter of ao littla Value and importance could excite so much violence and obloquy, tbe answer la tbat to pull down tbe true Cburcb of- God— tba Cburcb of tba So* ▼ereign and of tbe Englisb Nation— iippaars to be tbe mvourite object of tba greater number of Protestant denoniinationa witb wbk^ wa a^ ant- rounded: and wbiia blind to {|ia . Inaiaaaiiii power of Romaniinn, they take ideligbt in ak^UMig and destroying ^ only Cburcb capable of^^tb- atandingtbat of Rom^"- No mattar bowpitiifbl tbe case may ba'» if it eiuii in any maiuiir ba^npi^ iiabed and workad tip Intd a grieya^a to damaga tba Cburcb of £Qglanja««-tba acknawMgid bolr yrark o| t^a ?rataalint f aiUM&tliay njoka ia its ' "^taibila^i^^ ilSS ^' ^^ ^^ *^ iu haying baaB mm #itbQ«rt aaSority. ^- i*MMi N% -Jiffli";;^'^-*^'; f- .■*: I. ■ iiia«lT«rttiic4 or toiiM A^t ctiM thcfrin- ' rmiiwl •▼idMM wm with- I MMtiYt •tettBtnt of thf ' Jwtict of Engkiid, Lord ^T--r — rr — r — r-— J to prooofinet thorn inTO« IHrbot tb« iiio«iii|it Uw WMUof 4oci^ wpplijdho olMiifrtd hit opUSm •ad.dMlarfd A?i?^^J<>**^»«*^*'»«n« fctal onor in MteMkbaiif tho Roctorioi nortd tho Hoom of AMtmUy in 1887 to oxamino thom cortftiHy, M "^JS •^#f ^«^y •" WM foniHl hoo^t •ndttiHtght, and it tomo aiiMndi tho Attmnbly M »nyio*«W« tho Hchts oequlrad aodor th? Pa* tont by which tho Roctoriot hava beon ondowotf, •nd eaooot th^fbro dthor inrite or sanction any . int^tronco withnkho rifhta thoa aatablishad.** fa raftrmico t^ tho pocoodingi Lord Olanotg in Wa dotpatch oC^the 26th of Daeom. 1887 iaya* "On tho.jMirt ol Har Majaatyli Govammant I cannot haaitata to avow onr antiM adoption ol tho nnncipla by /which thia raaolntion Waa die- toted." Wabayotharaforano nound whataver for a^prahondini a diffaront raaolt from any In- tura invaatigatifn than thatj arrived at by the Crown o«cori iki England and the Lagialature of tha Colony. / ^ From tho co)Uitution of tho Protaatant Sao ol Quebec |n 17»i to 1888 oarMimiooariea were att f **^'2?1*^ fha,.racommendation of tho Bishop. ?Ik /J?* W**™*^ frwt for ^aupport tUl ^^5-"l ^•^ Cdoniaa wu withdnVrn. «nd the Society for tho Propaaation of tha Ooa- Sel asanmod the support of tho Church In Canada, inca that thMttf Biahop under thair instruc ti^"»i th« OoTtraiMnt well kntw that •land todownMat of 400 acrtt in i'TSV"**^** unpw'ttctivt wMof littlt OM, till th« Bishop ttapiwd forward in bohalfof thaSo- my tot tht Piopafatkm of iha Ooapal in f o- rtifn Parti to topply tha itipand. In tact the rt- commandation or tha Bishop avao whan raquirad was daamad a matter of foim, for tha Government never stood in the way of his bomioations. not even with respect to the appointments of Arch- oeacona. Thus all saeh matters went on in the Jreatest harmony. Nor indeed in my simplicity Id I anticipate sny change in the mode of sp- ppintment, Qotwithstandiug this offensive 'law-- althoughameetittf of the Society was necessary ' to sanction its continaance. *• '^*i««t«fute under consideration aiiacta an en- tirel:jr different mode of fiUinf up vacanciea from the lormer practice, so thr aa the Rectories are concerned, but oilhrs no reason for the c hange, •nu* yet Its. provisions cannot be carried out without the assistance of the Propagation Society and the Bishop. * , Let us suppose that on creating tha RectoriM the Government had^nsisted on appointing with- °°L^*/*?"5*,. *** .^*** Bishop-their nominees, might indeed have been put in possession of the respective endowments, producing in soma cases if the Bu^op saw good reason;! to withhoirlbis consent, there would have been neither stipend nor institutton* for both must pass through him. So will it be now unless doe eira be taken to prevent it, for the Society cannivt poessM mora poweis than tha Crown from which it has been tranafarrad. ^ And though no such diAcultiea might occur, it ia weU to notice thaoi, in order to show tiia neeaiaity of adoifyting, not some wild tnd agitating th«>ry, but a practical and eqiiita- (f .•«> «k a- A* m, «» ■ V I bl« amui|tiiMiit From all this It tppaut that Ihapowtr of appointment hat ever been virtnally in the Biihop, and oi thia the Goyemment was fUtty aware, and therefore never questioned his recommendations. And who, it may he reasonably isked,is io well acquainted with the merits and demerits of his Clergy aa the Bishop, and who is prepared to mil with them so tenderly and consideratfl^. With no one else can the responsibility of ap- ' pointments be more safely lodged, for if the re* spoQsibflity be divided among many it ceases to^ be felt. Who can judge so accurately of the clainos of each individual Clergyman as the Bishop •—and who so anxious to give weight to the long tried and successful servicesof the aged Presbyter, or so ready to attend to the just expectations of the people^ when not irivoloas, but ol a substai). tial character. In fine; this Act surrenders the power of nomi- nating to the RectorieSi which was theoretically in the Crown, to a large public body, which from its nmbbers can have little or no feeling of indi- vidual responsibility; but as the Crown could not surrender more than it posseSsedi and never did or could act except through the Bishop, so must it be with the'Society, for it can no more dispense with the concurrence of the Bishop than the Crown could do.^ The Church patronage known in Europe, is either part of the prerogative of the Supreme Power, the Emperor, King, Prince, &c., or arises directly or indirectly from the estabUshment and endowment of a ^riah or Parishes, by individuali or small societies, inch as coUeees, corporationg of towns, &e., but the Act under donsideratioA is a Bovelty in the maiialenient of E^elekiastical aftifs, and fe^airee the spirit of love and ediiei- liatlM to britig it inl6 iHey operatido. tt tnusll not be IbMttfti that thM Recttftiea are ndt ye^ benefic«iiothe trnefiMinuii of thatjtirm, ndr 4 isa- [ I } • I f t wm muiy of Ihem be for a giwit nnmbor of yetn. Only one or two can et preMnt ftnpport tfie In- cmnbeot in eoBimoti decency and comfort. The wrt of tbe 44 matt depend, u they have alwaya done, on the Society >r the Propagation of the Uoroel for^eir nsaintenance, dispeiiied throueh the Biahop of the Dioceae. . Were the Rectonca rich or comfortable \ning§, there might perhapa, in thia calculating age» 1>e aomeahow of waaon for changing tbe manner of amomtmeat ; bat when there ia in truth little or ""og""! to give away, contention about the nomi- nation becomea miaeemly, and for the preaent in aoaie degree Indicrona. ^i'^'"*^J^'***J^ "PP^*^ **^ »^nje that I am pleading R>r myaelf, but there ia no one present more fi^ and independent in thia respect than I WL The appomtmenta to Pariahea and Missions hayeheen to me aa they must be toany one, an anziotM and onerooa duty; it ia a power not to be coveted by any who have experienced the many perplexitiea with^ which it ia accompanied. Moreover, I have had no relativea or friends to provida for,^«p to promote merely aa auch, and I fearleaaly chanenge any one to bring forward a !Sf !**!■**"? "^ «y^l*fterfing an applicant, except from long and faithful aervicea, superior acomrenwnta, or a neceaaary n^gaid to the peace and weUbemg of the Church. But even were I ?/ * ffwpMf d»poaition,aorromided with expec- tanti and flatterera and aufficiently weak to yield to nothing to give,and weie It otherwise my time la too abort to work much evil. A very few yeara at the nyet wiU terminate my laboura and aJpar* •te me from all earthly carea, and thia among the wrt^ltwoBM not. therefore, he«rorth my while r ^^V^ ** ^y ®^^ aceoobt tor any mrticukr »rff«if«d»ith ^^ -»...|y i^y tWt itatiite, but i «Aift£j.ji^~-^ f '^^ -bri •J2E-'' '*i" r 12 ...... in the varioui plant which our oblinnr, but, I fS^* 'neoMHterate friends, have withStliliciti- &»j "^ 't' *^ •dijpHon, it ia due to my funjction and character, ind tha , ^1 WP*»^ '^j*'*** I hope ever to maintain, tS ap- \ peal fronc and oppose any course which may in the shf htest depee infringe the undoubted richto It shall never be said that the first Bishop of To- Ik^!! P!'m '"***' J^***^*^ ^*"*^«^ remoUrance, ^ i fei2!?V***''* t^"^'^* •*«'^^»«^' ^^^ from a fiUse deUcacy he wasashamed to defend them. Jnall my appointments I have proceeded with- the jMt claims of my Elder Brethren, whohad served faithfully, ancf psying due reg^u-d to the uprightfeelinp and opinions of the people of the Farish, who being now called upon to assist iii the_mie to increased conwderafion. ^^ From theseremarks it appears obvious that the paetical opektionof the Act under conaideration! i»j|ny other *^^^ from the smalFTyalue of the endoS^its, b^ somewhat distant: and long before that period can^arrive the diviion of thS Diocese wKve the hands of three Bishops, underauch relations ob^ct of much solicitudixand envy. riSlvmli w8"^' diffiSlty has been to find Clergymen to fill vacanciaayand to meet appUca^ tions with promptness, and & tfaia not excepting that many of oor Musiona. Il^ve at this time » Recfor who baa resigned inorderto retire ona pension granted biift bv tha S. P. g\p. P. for long senricer bat, aitboufb i bare beek anxioarto l^eve h« foi^aoiiie^iiionths, Ihaveobt; been able ^ t^eifect itt for BO iettled ClefiymaTLXiaM d t o t ake U> — "— ^ ^* \ "^^^ ^ > MiC. ■ '- ■r---^;r ^;=^^ . ^ > ■^: vJ^tiw?^^'-?" 'ri*^ "• •<> Poo' that otfr. 1-wpectible famiiiM decline lo bring up their hippen. that w^ cannot, till after long del?ys, fift vecancieeoropennewMiwidni. '^*"y»» "" tki D?^!! *^? moment writing to the Society for the Propagation of the Gotpel in Foreign Partt Ufgmg upon them to aend me four or five ClewJ men to fiU^stationa of imporUnce. ^ th.ir*Mi«Sf *^';"^ ^•"'^•« ^o do more for their Mmittew, and to consider it a pleasure-ai It 1. wruinly their duty^to auniSrt Zm S decent comfort, our Studenti in Eity Would of'thT^iJ!"^ "*** Ptfwiiig and embiraiSnJ^nS Now 1?Tw"'^ ^/^r P'**™l»«y remedied! i»^?Z* " ^ ^»«We for a Parish to acquire a ju8t mfluence m the nomination of their Minieter Snf ?r'K 'Wlati<>n.. as the peace and cider of the Church render necesaary, tUt congregation Slfm- In? /?u*"' ^'**y to transfer his salaiy !^K?St <>"« o^ the remote settlements where the h5,v'i??*"K"P*4f™««"°« for fo^ ihf P^^"°f at the disiiosal of the Society .w;.?^ '''"*''* "^'^•^^•'^ept' way, but nm^ i!r?i."P^!! every :Christian who sinSrely midl» J^^iuw li!"!!^^ exertion . should be SiAtfi.S^ 7!^**^*''^«"* °^ each Rectory, r^fl^lr ^^ '^ congregation, avaUable for a comfortable income, that the support, it now re- quirpi from the fondsoffheChur™may Striven toAfoasionaleislavoaied. Andtb^S^fftJ fo^\:^''^^^^^» wiU enable uL to oiw chSfnirK"^ ^i?J^^? ^**^* incieaaingtS charge on the public fond. And it wouldlm S, '•rt^ . » T tilt Airthtr MlvMitaf* of littvinf tli« a^poiniiMnt M a inittw of ainicabk tnufMiMiit betWMn th« Biiiiop aod tho coKTNIittion, iBfUMi of placiiv in tkOMndi of eomiMimtiTottnofvra. Tbt liko iDodo of MttUaf tho Patrooito in t ffiaDdiyaad putorMl way, woaM oxtoiidloftll PariiliM lupportinff thair Miniitvn. lor whoii tlMy do to, and thairo art no valid objaetiooa or canonical impedioMntB. thoy bacont daiarvinf of a pnvailinf voico in tho appointmant. In ngud to an adviiory council to kafp tilt BiihonTm ofdar, it k hoped tiiat tlity will havt tbtir DoMii and Ghapttra^ thoir le^tiiiiatt ad* !o|ig btfort the PttroAagt oi this jpoor Chnrch can prodoct eithtr luipicion or inconvenienct* itiiiXoidfhip having lat down, Tha Rev. F. li. OsLXRt Ticar of Bond Head, roit and laid, that he had heard that nuionf plant were pot forward with a view to a lettlement of the matter now before then, and that circulara had been tent to tht Cleny and Laity in differ ent parti of the eonntrv embodying thett plant : he had not read any -of them, but beinp: tincerely detiroos to arrive at a tatitftjetory adjnttment of the qnestion, he camt there tqi prdpote a reto- Intion to the eflbet that the patrontfe thonld be vetted in the Lord Bishop dmingliitlncumbencyy as a mark of onr regardi affectien, and etteem. Thii reaolntion having been teconded by Alex. l>izon, Esq., and put firom the chairi The Eev. D. E. Blaxb taid, that ht btlievtd every Churchman- would unite io givioitbt Sktronage now placed at onr dispeaal to oorVen* iocamn. But alUiough antertainUig this ftdiingt he thought it would be wrong in prind* nit to vett it in him at ttated in the rttdutipn ' from "fe^ingt of regard^ettttm or afbclion.''^ If wt put tht question why wt thould ' he woi^ tay wtft not wAcient ^ , -^ , -I. ,.^ r « \ - xvinz-^^ , .^ i, '" '^ » «. • i -i A.., \ iiy ■hould do it on Udinr nd htAm ffoimdt* He inite afFvod witb hit Lofdibip IM it wm tn It on tht pwt of tbt Li^wton to tftko tM " ttom him, ImiI' ho. wif jdad to fiml that p codndRfd tli«t in Um di^wMl of tht pntronago iomt attontion ihoiil4 bt Mid to thowiihftoftho poopUu Ht wai no adyoeato ofthoTolnntary ayatMi^, liut ht wonM wish at all tu|Mi to conaolt their wieheeand promote thfm iJD any way by whieh the Biihop and the Laity mif ht be Kept in foil a|reemtnt It wae •rideat we mint look to tho Laity, mainly, for loppprty bat even io, he ttiOD|}it it wonid be wrong to deprive the Bishop of that power of appointment which he had so long ezeraied. The Rev. B. CmoirTif 9§AA, he wonld make a few remark! on the reeolntion now bilfore ^em« He thoiu^ht the patronage inight well remain with the Lwa Bishop during his meombeneyt for the reasons set fortn in the resointion, particnlariy as those reasons wont snpply beyond his Lordskip*-* Bat as Government had seen fit io place the pa* tronage in the Society i be most say it with graat ranet, he thought it would be only riij^htto leave it hereafter in its hands, but not thereby interfere ing wi0Hiis I«ordship for we all know and feel how much in debt we are to his Iioidship. In thus doing we conferred no favour upon him. He Mr. Cronyn for one> would be the last to interfere with his Lordship, but as the Socie^ had the power they ought to retain and eKareise it. In their hands it wasmixed patronage, anctaaG»> vemment had diere placed it, it would be w^ to retain it, vesting it in his Lordship during his ij[iisc<^paoy. Bfoving a genersl reeolation con< twiling the patronage to his soccesson^ would hot be as satismctiny as this resolution, which can notrsfsr to any other indifidua], and.he wbiild move an amepdioent, enablmg ^memto linune a % 'I »?9{g:W^f^7^-tor*^rJrI?:-«' i ■<, / » * i '- V- The Rev. F. Oslkb Mild, the reiolution u pro- kKMcd by him was written before he came to the meeting, and the wordinc of it wai intended to vest the patronase in his Lordship daring his in- cumbencv. In aU probability those who succeeded him would find the Diocese divided, andcpnse* quently the patronage small Therefore he felt strongly that the Bishops of the several divisions would be the fittest patrons, and that the lutura patronage should be in thi^in and their successors^ The Ref.H.J.GRASKTT suggested, that what- ever bye*law was now adopted conferring t^e patronage on his Lordship in furtherance of their present viewSf it would be competent to the Society to alter hereafter. The Rev. Mr. Crontn said, " from time to time" it would be open to them to do so^. ■ The Hon. P«t«e Db BLAquiSRS said, he rose in order to afford an explanation upon this ques- tion, which he believed it was not in the power of any other person present to afford, riamely in reference to the manner in which this Act passed the Legislature. Upon this point it was necessary 'there should be a Ml understanding. At that time his Lordship was not in the country. An Act was bnmght in for the purpose of putting an end to the existing manner of appointing to the Rectories, but though a laree body of the House of Assembly were preparecLto put an end to the power of appointment by the Crown, it waa found at the close of the discussion, that if the power was rescinded without providing a substi- tute there must be an end of the Rectoriea, with the incumbency of the existing pcissessors. He would not say it Was wise in the hon« member lor London to do as he did. It certainly was not the intentioB of the mover, who said it wai^ "»♦>»■ aAur whohadthe fiitare;p«»tn>na|^ }^J"^^^ beiagtopotwieBdtoappoiiitmei ' * '^ Thaa it was, that atlWlenly tad h A. / , iPw* ;*;«■■ :tl laatiiy, butathe \ ■ , . ■■■ . '■■ ^-y- ' :' ■■ ..■■■,;■ *, ' - " ■' ..'.-■■■'". '■ ' " 'I A, , |PH* Wi0T«d with ftM bartmtwtimi, At Ac$ WM nutad YMtliig tbe patrontm in the SoeittT, Md it would be for Jhtm to ramcdy th« tvU tepdtney of that Act He metatkmod tluf to ihow Alt twM- / ferrins thii witrofM^o wm not « dehbento Act. Tfaii it w«i important to know m discuaiing tbo q\ieation. It now remained for the 8ociet]r to ezpi«M their opinion upon the general prmciple involved. In hia opinion this Society WM not a fit receptacle for patronage. He wouJd not call j * in question the Act, but certainly the Church w«i indebted to the existence of the Society for lU preeent position, and thus has been forced on her an act diametricallyopposed to church principles. He thought were the Society to execute its powers it would do wiong, and were she not to repu- diate them, she would be wanting in her du- ty to the Church in Canada. He was^ prepa- red to suggest a mode to give effect to the prin- ciples on which it was founded, for be considered that the Society as now constituted could m po way afford to the Church any guarantee for the proper exercise of this patronage. In his opinion the objectionable point is, that it is a principle of pecuniary deposit by subscription which consti- ^ IBtes the right to vote in the disposal o[ this ^ patronage. Now this is a principle which should be repudiated in its disposal (hear, hear).^ We can not too soon disburden the Socie^ of what has been forced upon it by this Act, and it was^ fortunate that we had the power of doing so bow once and for ever (hear). A Reverend gentleman had stated thurlt was not proper to put forward . our feelings of wspect and esteem for his .I^W- shib as the ground on which a |pwat principle should be sustained. He concurred l;i that opinion, but be thought that the discobsion Of . the matter so iar righuy conducted would streng<|ten thp church, if tho nieans and opportunity now •«»«- odof dedarinff in whom dio patroiH^go immld wrt WHO i Mod , Mid t h at t h y tmU^ to carry J i^tk'a - 18^ W Hkitk viMTi, Mt hgr Hiy iMiparary «tp«dUent, bit b|r » ptraiMimit amuiffraieai. H« would •ogfMt tiiAt tb» SoeittyfhoQld fiur •▼«> ditbiii <«H 19 •♦c#< r»> ■.»>•. m The Chiiv Jvitic* o)mrfi tlui lUtvii of inrorporation layt thtt it molt be a b]r«-Uw. Hod. Mr. Ds BLAquiEi-*Theia a neoloUon adopted to-day might be aet aaide to-nonrow ; but he had hopea that when the qneatioii waa nit it would be put in a manner dipti^etly tianaMT- ring the tiifitot patronage now and for tfir to the Lord Biihop and hia attcceaaon. The LoBD BiBHor aaid he.liked the reeoliltioii if put in the way deaired by Mr. De Blaqoiere aa It affirmed a great and hign principle. The Rev. Mr. Crontn wished to know wUcb of Mr. 08ler*a resolutions was to be put, whether that peMonal to hii Lordship or that of the general nature, if the Utter he had aome ob- servations to make upon it. With reference to the queetion of principle h6 did not view it as did the hon. gentleman who thought it contrary to ail Church principle that the patronage should be in ilbisSociety. Not one-eight (^ the church potron- >lige at home was exercised by the Bishops, there- fore it could not be said it was opposed to the principles of the Church that lay patronage shoultt be exercised in it. We knew by our own Tempoialities Act that any one who built or en- [ dovred a Church in Canadut might bold the 4pii* tronage for ever. In this Societjr the annual pay- ment of £1 6s. would give the right to be an in- corporated member on ballotj ana he saw do ob- jection to the members retaining tbe patronage alter his Lordship's time. No doubt they wonid all^jsh to record their sense of his Lordship's services by placing the whole MrtionaipB of iM Dipcese in his hands, but bis Xord^p's aac** cessors would have tbe appointments toflltibi missions, though not to those 44 Ilsctoriot- Bk contended it was not inconsistont for laypnim lo Imld auch palronue. Good bat jMripen «t 1 from doinj soTv The great HookiBir#niol)>fi»] irom going soTv ine great ttoojEsirtncopfy ebtered the Church tnrougb lay patronage. Ni M would not intotff ro in wy wty with hii Lordihip bat ho thought that after him« tnd ho prayed ho miffht bo iparod many yoara over of , the Society ihottld retain the patronafe. Thia would not be deiofatory either'to the Church or the Society. Ao for the future, the lay element waa entering ■o rapidly into Church afikira that even if we could make a aucceaaful effort to exclude them we ought not, but ahould rather try to intereat them mora and mora in Church mattera. (Hear, hear.) He would iupport Mr. Otler'a reaoluUon particu- larly at the act aaya we may alter Our Bye-lawa j •• from time to time,'»- and the time mi^ht amve - when we ahould deem it neceiaary to change the diapooition thua made. •> The Rev 8. B. AaDAOH aaid that when he came up,from the circulara transmitted he thought Mveral Utopian achemea would be put forward. In hia locality the aeveral cler^ agreed aa to a ' courae, and he had no heaitaUon in sayinr the univeraal feeling waa that hia Lordship should ex* ° erciae the patronage. Hia panshionera were called togetner , and were unanimous, but as the Rer, Mr. Cronyn observed, the lay element ahould hare m due preponderance in the Church, it was conaiderad that the Biahop ahould have the ap- pointment to the vacancies, but in connexion with the congragation, the Rural Dean, the two aenior Clergymep, and the Churchwarden, the Bishop to be advised by thentf. This would satisfy the laity thqr had a. voice in the nomination, but he thought if the elective principle ia to be adopted it ahould be embodied in a bye-law.^ Hon. P. DmBLAqiTiBBE did not consider the nueation of lay participation at idl mingled up with the general subject, though when the lay voice (Ctmetobe teited bv aubacription it waa ibond to be orthddoz.4 (Hear, hear.) If the Biett iact of anh a cription w e ra aufficieat what MCttrity had they •gmtH their noinination being 31 *• ii ^-*. inAu«nc«d hj partiM without rtlidon* (Hmt, ' heir, hew.) At to the auettion of Uy patroiuigt M extrcbad in £nfland, he hopod to eea it tx* • ercieed in Canada by the lounding and endow* ment of Churchea, not the reatrietion of it to thoae who purchaee their right to vota by tha payment of £1 5a lubacription aonaally. (HftTi hear.) KuY, Mr. CaoMTM obaerved it wae not arary one who did ao could vote— that privilege waa confined to incorporated membera alone paying £1 58. or life membera giving 412 lOi. Thaaa were the parties elisible to become incorporated membera subject to ballot, and he did not conai- der they did so to buy a vote, but he trusted wara influenced by higher motives, by tha spirit of religion/and would be so as long as tha Society existed — (hear.) ' Hon. JuDOK Drapee aaid, in referanca to th4 auestion aa to a Bye-law. it waa competent to le Society to pass a resolution but not to maka a bye-law ; the latter could not be naaaad \inla8i upon due notice, given at one monthly laeetiDg to consider it at the next ; no notice had bean given of any action on this subject, aAd even if thara had been, th^ was not a monthly meeting. -. The Hon. the Chief Justice drew attention toth<« 12th rule of the constitution adopted in 1844,which still prevailed unleas it waa regularly altered. The SscEiTAEt read the rule aa it Uicn stood* and as lately altered and numberedlS in preaant year'a report He gave aa.a reaaon for the altar* ation that it gave membera at a diatanea timaly notice of propoaed change, and anaiUcd tham^V> azpreaa their opinion on the anbjaet Tha Hon. the C«ief Jwtice aiidl If thia If ptial priflcipta ware to ha 'wMid^ imoit dalibf ration uroold ha reiuiradi aaid thcrafcra tha mt»( I ; I ■■-^■■;.. """•litNiiiiSftl^iii * ■''W5 ru bt Cf adopt two rttolutiooft to twl ihta coiKiid«r tlio gootnd woald foff ttt a byt-law boiog mccoriMtco with the rMolytiont, notice 10 bt ftvon it onrt niMtinf i and conaidorad sub- toqmntly, and bo raad th« draft of a byo-Uw ac* conUogly which waa laid on the tablei Rer. W. BBTTmiDoa thought the thanka of thia meetiog ahoald be frankly offered to the Chief Juftiee for hie draft of bye-law ; we ahoold act with deliberation, not haftilT, and instead of driifing the clefgy and laity down here again at an early dajr* it woald be well to leave the pa- tronage vntil next annual meeting in the hindi of his Lordship, This would give them an oppor- tonity of conversing with many.' He thoo^ht the Hy element — and he was neither afraid nor •shamed to avow it, ought to have its weight. His friond on his left knew that in Southampton, in one of the Chnrches, the appointment of the ClergTBUMi was in the laitv alone ; trne. it was die BisIk>p disapproved ot tne manner of appoint- ment, yet at ^ time he was appointed^ to tho thmjmikwm were 42 candidates. Bdt the yestion of great importance to the Society wis, tphether or not its interest would be advanced if the lay elMDeikt were now introduced, and if oiemberi of the Church being communicanta had a vote in the uipointment ; he thought incrcisad intersat would arise if the laity were more con- Bttlted, and had more oppottunity of expraasinf their opinions, and it would be more aatiafactory to tba Chwch nt large. He was net desirous o^ takli^ tho patronage out of the hands of th« DSoceaaiii but be tnought it would be more sa« tiifiKt^ry lb delibarate between this and Jun*, upon itt indlit that aatson many woiild be io^ dueed to atta^t wbo at this season cannot come, -"^ - ^ler^iwd fWwr egpreasioo of opiiiion w«mAI b» thMi oblaiaedif the Chief J^f wmdA gilMUgt In -ii fcf Ml IlitlBtlOll. «ri l*\ "Jif* • >v| ,!/'■ "•y- Dr. MAOKBiiCAii iWi ^ I fKi yj Wli Ifm^jW fro« A dMiMb«» i» tttPMl tkit Mit itM ^ Mi it t w«r« ia«r>nipHt|l to k !• 0m ft Vy«-lAW, tl wottM b« ^it«r Ipi deftw tk« MMlioa t» wiollMr dm*. H« MhmA iHptly fp»m iimm of tho •MAkert OS ib« mIiImc «r raolvdiiiff tb« Laity, lie tboufflii iko tiet vu ooiDO vkoB tkry BiMt nora o# IMO N^lk Toico «■ iIm ttltetlM of tkoir Cl«rf 7 } tmnpit 1m luMttto tlit dMg«r of losing the •odotviDeiiti, jtt if tiity w«r«0li- tmlMd i»lo it vool^bo fo««d thfy wcrt «l«ftrly ioad«qaat« to th«i Aiwat waaU, tad trtll — M ■o to tli« ANtart. U Bishop said, as the non-attend- imee at this meeting of many bad been observed upon j he wished to cairtbe attention of the Bieeting to the fkct that to etery Clergyman in the Diocese had been sent copies of the, Act they were now discussingy not only for their own ;use, but also suflScient for their people, and if they did not now attend, that was no reason wUy they should keep the IHooese. longer agitated 'upon jthe snlileet. # V The Bev» 0r. Bkayan rxjise to a point of otder. Tliere were two resolotions under con- aideration. He would sdggest that the first ahould beput, and then they could difcnss the t OBOKAsDiraoAH, Jr., Esq., thought there was Qiueh feeling amongst the Laity, and a desire to haY» Lay iifineoee introduced. It would have ithe •ffrat of uniting the Clergyman and his ^ftMk.. H« hftd OQiiTeraed wMh manf on thA /^'■^fc-'*. ,^*^^vk-^^* ■Vjfi 3h US •ttljeet, tod tboQglit it ir^p not be m imdMf- rable mode to name a Cooimtttee, who woald Ihune bye-laws aecordingly^ aod report them at the next monihlj meetio4 in order to their being adopted at the follo#t9ir monthly meeting or in Jane. People were to blame for not aTaillng themtelTef of the present opportunity for diacni*^ fing it. It was $aid that the Laity were not tafflo«ently aware of it, and were this ao, it would be well t^ affoid them more opportunity There was at this meeting no opinion of the Ijaity. It was said they were unanimous in their approval of the course proposed. This was not s<^ There were many who he knew would npt desire to transfer the patronage beyond the present Diocesan, in whom ihey would place it not for the reason in the preamble alone but becafue doing so was also best calculated to pro* mote the interests of the Church. Hon. J. HiLTABD Gahbroit said that the observations of Mr. Dnggan arose from sngges - titms made by himself ; and as this meeting was not competent to go further than a resolution, it was as well people should know the deep respon- sibility thrown upon tbei%n firaming any byo- law wiiich/would give the Olty influence in the election, ahd as a bye-law canno^ be passed now, he thought it would be no harm to name a o6m- inittee tb prepare one, and report at the next meeting. In the meantime means might be faken to make these proceedings knu wn through the length and breadth of the land. Hd did not think the principle of Lay nomination was against the principles of the Church. At home, both in England and Ireland, Collegiate and eorporate vodles exerciied that power. With them tkey did to as a goiremhig body ; and thongli with ni the power wonHN in the body th^ piin- Mfto wis tM same. If iii o^ion sli to fthe fxerdieof thia poif »• ^onW not t bnt be matt rewTTe bit deeiaion to a fatare period. If tba J-aitj liadant more largely availed themseWetof tbu opportaaity for dito onion oa tba labjeet. tbey bad only theaitelTet to blame; Yet be at ooe wat Bot preptra^ to tay what bitahi- matedecitioa aroald ba, or wbat it woald not He eontideredlhe Act fortaoate. He waa bim- telf anhamhle intramleat in promoting the nat- tmgof in bated on a liiUe Bill wbicb bad teen latrodnced, and vhicb woald bave twept away tba Reetonetat they becameTacant(hear, bear.) Wban> the toggattion to refer it to a Committee wtt adopted, an amendment wat introdaead io .^^l ■ S T?^*2'**? ^^^ ^^ Rectory quettion in tba Coart of EquHy, in fbrtberance ^ which they might not be aware a Bill badi>een filed to abolitb Oiem aU. At that critical momeht there waa no time for deliberation, and when he eon* aiderad the ^aotaal ennttUation of the Honte. deficiMt . M It wat of infloential membara of the ^borekof Eoglandabletodojattiee totbechnreh. he tecared the patronise baiag matted mtlia Chw^ fiodety tt thaiSt g©;^ met, ha Mi Oial wbaa the time cama fbf ita Mo?al fron tha haada of GoTtramaat. witem mght «ma wha« th» Paw — t y>yfi| yt ^^ ^■■^ Ilf. '■n ■ ^ iiwwM w '- j wf ^i ii gi pq ilij, ^^ ■ 1 1 f I » I I I P I *«•■:,' ■ ^.X "-■■.^■' ■■«.■■■..■■■-■:. ■ tnkeftUWoMaiMidatlmiorcbtBiikop. (Hetr, htar.) H« ftlt, he rtpcfted, tbat in dolttg m k« 4id Im wif takioi^ from then the meaiit of doiaglhe ChiirishaD injury; endr' therefore, he WM deiiroiu of taking it out of their power » and plmoiBg it ia other and more friendly hande. That heing the case, every meant and eiBportii* Bity ahould he given t(V the whole Charoh, Lay ae ir«Uat Clerical, to proi|oanee an opinion npon the qaeation of iti aUimate diapoial. There thonld be no error, no mistake, in wh«t we do, and he woold aoggest the appointment' of a Committee to prepare a bye-law, and submit it to the eoasideration of the next general meeting, and to be pabliihed one, two, or three months beforehand^ so t^at all might know irhat was being done, and all express aii opinion upon the question,-' ■-■.;:':■/:. ■':,, , ■■ ■ •■^- ; * Thb Lobd Bishop rose to say he considered the course pursued by Mr. Cameron a ver^ right oiie. ^ The Ron ^ODQK Da APBR said hiB had prepar- ed a resolution which be thought would meet the views of all; and th« several proposers and seconders had spme convenaiion as to alterations and amalgamations so as to embody them. The Hon. the Chiev Justicb said he con* sidered that ample notice bsd been given of this m^ing. He had se^n it in remote parts of the Frovinqe, and he thought the sense of the^netl'- idf "seemed to be to vest the patronage, not only m the present but future incumbents of the See. He saw no necessity for a dels^ until June. Th]rmi| oannoc be said to have beeome law until the Proclamation of last September, which gave it^etfeet, lo that no time 1»1 been lost in con- Tening this meeting. If the deeislon of the IMet^ OB the question B«iir before them, were postpoBadnata Jane, and that in ^*^ *' * \- \ ri". — • mimm 28 . . TMeanej arow, there eoald be no legal inttitotioit o#a ptftor by toy bat tbe Ghoreb Society or aome one intraited by it, with the pttronnge. . Legal qaettioni also might arise, qnestions of title and rfght of ejectment/ for instance. If a ▼aoanoy were how filled by his Lordship, the qnestton might arise, how was the incnmbent appointed, whether by the Charoh Society or its nominee t The answer mast be — Na For any inconyenieDce and delay, they would there- fore be responsible as well as for any diTision wbi^ might be created. As to the interference of the laity, it was said they were not represent- ed h^i^. Were that fo whose faait was it ? hot he saw many here, and there was nothing to pre- sent their intending as well as the Clergy, many of whom had come from a distance. Same talk of not interfering with the rights of the Bishop, bat they were not free from being charged with inconsistency. (Hear.) They w^ald nominate three or four and let the Bishop chose therefrom. Now he wonld like to know w^p not this an interference, yet it it would have the| effect of creating among theni a warmer in- terlst, that might be a necessary reason for adopting it, but, for his part, he thought the great bulk of the people by whom the appoint- ment might be thus made, would much more . steadily support the pastor named and appointed by the Bishop, than one named by a ma- jority, of the laity against their individual wish. ( Hear, hear.) He had seen some strong exam- ples of the insufficiency of the Toluntary system in Canada. , Look to the Roman Cathottes, to the Methodists.— Do they consult the laky in ' nominating a pastor ? No. If any one denomi- ,Bation in Canada, more than another, fxereiaei that pfi wer it is the Chureh of Scotland, ti wit an undesirable state of thingt, and aa to tint w0i- eiency «f tbe tolmtary tystem, we had only to dhK'^' ^-V r ■*f<'*- ^k t '^ 3d % tarn to tlie BeighlMNiriiif 8UtM.wlif reb« htd le^ti it stated on good aathoritj ihtt, id the State of PeniylTaDiii the Imity of the Presbyterian body, ^ who were eonsalted in the eppointnient, did n<>t eoatribnte an average of more than $150 to the support of their clergy. (Hear, heiir.) Dr. l^ACKKLCAif said thai in latter jrears the income of the Chnrch Society diminished, in- stead of increasing with the wealth and popula* tioB of the province, and contended that if th«%^ lai^y had confidence in the Chnrch Society, a lav^ income would fall in to it. Now one 4ueans of effecting this was to continue the patfo* • nige in the laity as they must haVe a Toice. He was no friend to tbcTolontary system, but he would not say we may yet come to it« and he thought if an arrangement were entered into, to give them a voice in the nomination they would take a greater interest in the iSociety, see more of its practical benefits than now, and attend .more regularly the ministrations of the Chnrch. With these views he would suggest that the District 9rnnehes of the Churcb Society should have Uie nomination of candidates to the Bisho|ft. This would give the laity a voice in the nomi* nation, and check the election of clergy contrary ' to the spirit of the church. Thus would all be brought in harmony » and it must tend to extend the church more widely. But as this meeting was not competent to adopt any bye-law upon the subjecti there was no use in pressing it now. The Rev. J. G. Obdbbs said, it had been lately observed t6 him that the Church Society waa > losing the confidence of the people> bat heat once denied that such was the case, and to sus- tain this dehiai he opened the reportaand shewed there Irom that although at the close of the yearf report tbo Society was labouring under th« shook j^ven to it by the painltal irregalaiitiea of ft to^Mefetial tenrttt, iHU'tho report ib«wfd» r ■i) % ^^V^^ ■ 30 : (n iiii»y intUnoet, ft larg«r ftOioiiiit of tmbMrip* tioQ*! ft broth«r elergjiBfta bad made the ■ftme reoiftrkt. This •Uiteaieiit hftd been Made here, and hethnaght this oaght tobe eurreoted; and wbeA it it said the time named by the notica was not enfAeienC he certainly differed In opinlmi for he did* think ample time had been glYen to all. The aalileot had been mneh diecniied, there had been wriier upon writer open the aatjecft in tbe ouliimtte of the preta. He eame there prepared to aoi> in the matter, but he' was not proTiontly awar# thit this was no time to pass a bye-lftw.— His belief* however, waa that eyen if it were known we were oompetent to do so, no lai^er ipeeting of the clergy and laity than the peesent was likely to be got together. It wss contended that it wonld iocrcftse interest in the Society if it bftd this pfttrona^e, bot he wonld like to see the aabs^ptions of |he laity flow from some purer and holier motiv#~(hear)-^from a desire to pro- pagate religion $ to send missionaries to relieire the spiritiyd destitntion of the distant settlers, and not from a desire to grasp tha patronage of the Chnrch or exercise its power— (hear, hear^) 3'he ttev. Mr^ GaoNTN said he dissented from the resolntion as framed partly for the reasons •tread J explained and partly because it was eompetent to them to pass any bye-law they saw flt ** frwa time to time.**^ If we Anally disposed of H BOW we would be anticipating the wishes of the Society at a future day when there miji^t be «Md grounds for changing our opinioii. The \fieT. Mr. Creddes had. said that the Society waa not Ib SBjr hmgnisliing states Now if the popn- Ifttioii Inersftsed in ftsy gveftt n^iio so ought the ooogngfttlonjuidfliefbndst but be believid the iBula were ftt m stftnd, ftod this was not a satislhe- ft»lte of tbluga, It was wad this waa ossen^ Iho eiareiaa uf lay flion*^ iff 4ft lioiuf. Tko Gollefsf ia irtbuid hid an* *^N%, rm - ^.:- } SI d twiDeiits beHowfd vpon tbcn, t1i« Ualvtrtlty h«fi; ilt «ii4Awiii#Btt iod gr«flit patroaii la tbit inttinee the Go y grn— n t hid liaiided those cndowm^nlji tn w, and thtt helog the «••« be did nnt think it ineoMittent to eseteiie the pitroQAge with whieh the G«>TenHii«iit bed that etidoired m. He did not lee in what Hf pirtrDQ* /^ age differedf from these eatet he had ott<>d, aod MW DA argameat agaiiMt the Choreh Society re- taittiog ia its hands the patnmsgs eonflded to it. It wot tine now to introdaee the Ity element into the Chnreh. They mast in secalar matters work togethert and over spiiitntl matters teight . their Bishop Ions; preside. (Hear, hear.) En- dowments were the seenlar matters^ These Go- Temment bod provided for the Chnreh and with them he woold mainuin the taity had a right to interfiere, and the time was coming when they would. We Bhonld not therefore paiM- what woQld.be a vain resointion. The Reman Catho- lic Church did not allow lay interferenee in no- minations, bat if they had reason to be dissatis- ^ ^ fied they conld constrain their Bishop to nsmore the minister and he did so. Thns we behold the lay eleinent reoogniied in 'that iron boandv ohnroh, bat he would rather see it reoogniaed in the appointnient than In the removal or a minis- ter, (hear.) How do the Methodists act r Th0 OoofiBlrenoe appoints and^ that Conferenee was largely oomposed of their laity* He was not prapared to say how it would work with no. The sooner wis Introdnoe it into oar ieenlar af^ " fmrsiaoidcfthe Loid'swfOfkthr better would we he able todevote ounelTes to spiritual ofiain^ ^ The Rer. Dr. Ltmor madeoome o b o m i rtio Bi f iAidh wu aanot eiMkrliti iM^telngti^ The Rtt. J>v:. Lnt MM — ii yw> w as Whethe r the "•t^^ ltaff«afler Itt^GlrordhflocietybriB^^ WA6pi _^_j)„ ..r r ■ I-- ./ In all mtettngt iqob ■• tbit initniiDity wti de- tinblr. To t ecrtain extent It now tzitutd. nntnely, lo far tbat all agreed in eonflding to hit I«ofdfhip the exerelae of the patronage during hia time, and with one voice roae to ahow their retpeet to him. Bat ita after diipoa*! waa the knotty point. At to thia be woiild appeal to the meetiof, and.aab them would it not be better to let the firther diaenialon of the matter drop now, and he aineerely baped tbat for many a year it might |iot be neoeaaary to revive theqneation. Let Of when we go from tbia meeting be able to aay that there were no ditaenti^t voioea raiaed, and that we irere nnanimous in our deoiaion. \f tbia eoorae were approved of, let thia diaputed point drop with the ounaent of the propoaer and aecou^er, and a bye- law embod^ving the apirit of the reaolottona be prepared giving the patron* age to the Biabop for life which could be aub- roitted at the next monthly meeting, and in»dtfb time formally adopted. (Hear, bear.) The RsT. T. B/FiTLLBB aaid it would afford him much pleaaure to vote for the flrat reaoln- ^n, but be confeiaed be abould like Jo aee the queation fioally dispoaed of, aa he thought any poatponment on tbat point might hereafter be deemed in vidioua to hia Lordahip'a aueceaaor. la hia opinion the preaent waa the* time to aettle it.*- Aeeoi^ling to the conatitntion of the Society no By-law eould have effect, without the eon- aent oh the Biabop, and be did not think hia Ivordabip'a aueceaaor would be likely toeonaent to/a^By*law wbieh would take it Urom him* (KaM/baar.) He eoold not vote for Mr. DeBla« qai^ra^a rtaolutioii, for be thought the thne waa ' len wf muat call in the aaaiataiica of tba ft do not hold the poaition that wt Wiiap pariahea becama laity. no.ialergy to fill them. Look to ■fti^stitf Ikadftiiffi tw tlitt ^a f ^ffbtr at 4hr '\/ *^' MfbtT— VotMklvky it tMt, tat bMMM tta taMiac IbMilict !■ tta cMBtrv do aoi esooaraf* CtaiffnMtii Mttdy fo^ tta OUfriMl Protoiioik This wai Mt • profrr tttt* of itiingt. mM to iMMdy it wo «iMt eoU ia tlio MsittoMo of tta kOty. Let at I«nA to tlio ooodition of iIm Ckmnk tettaUniiod Hi»tM,miid«« God, its omitttaco Md MOtMt |»fotp«ity it ^o ta omitated to tli« liity. Md thero to woll tad it tan wotkiM ttal OM luUf iti pffwoot MOMtart lad bMM tara.i* ottar PffotMtwt dMMMiMtirM. Ttair loiiy tafo ft lijitinMiio Tuioo ift tta Choreli. ftftd oitaA wt Mt It tkofft, growlBff tnm ft niftll tagiaaiBf wft tavo no roftioft to ta ditooimgcd. At •vidwoo of tta fettiftf of tta Iftitv ift tta id- joont 8ifti«t»talnstftiiotdftClittm'in BftffUoi tta laooiitaMy of vhieii was Ifttoly iraoftatt ftft4 ft dokt lay 9wm tt ftOMOfttiftf to $9,000, A mtMtar of tta ooBftogfttioB uld to ftaottar ttat Uvoftld ta dMiroNt ttat tliofttir laeaoitaBt •tanldaoCoBtorwitli tooli ft debt aDon it, ftodv taptopotadtopftroootalfif bltfriottd woald a tta ottar. ttajMropoeal wftifteeed«fd tb tta debt pftid. Tbere wff otldcMt of tta boMflolftl workiag of tta toy eleoMat ia tta idiftotat 8t«te, ftod we ooald aot talp tkiakiiw difttif tta laity were aot ftllowed to aie their logitinftte lafloeaee tart tta eonieqaeaoet aitgkt ta dliftttroBt. Hob. Mr. Da BtAamitn taid thftt aothlac tad btt» ta hoped dropped by hit oa l o al att d to ofMitt dituaioik Thcro wat ft trtftl prtetlplt laTolf td la tht rttolatloB. ftad aay deolatioA ham that ta thoaghl wat to taa^^oidtd* 9t in»Mftowobteffvt oa <»f.P<*»«i i« ^^J^ (ial tta lay eltiaeat woatd, by taviag a iaioi 1*^ tta JMlaiaatloBlp 8ti«alati^ to itatawaaaeo— »oto aaskiaa ttaii htattif thftt ^ky dtMBt thoald ta logkhafttely dtawa ftavftk ItftpniirvlMtwiiliillMimir V *■ , * ■W"i '■ • 1 wktii nf temporil OTjirm aii^ tlial wmU h% %m Mtatiiv^ by k««*pii>fr (mh th**iii tb«* p(*w«r 14 ^^ appoint in pptriiniil > Citrm lit w«>ul I, bnvrwiv f fiif InMiniiiiiiy wnhdmw hi* rennluiinn, hut hit /■*iiii»ii WHS ihit th« Im cuofiriiivd uf its |in»> ^^iHf a-v. C. C. ItiifiiToii Mid Hiat if tile ffM»* liltQti cimid go f.HTih with thv f splonatitii nivM ^1 4l «rn«id he ■•ti^faeturv, •nii irtlitfrviMi it oiigkl t»f«|i|x«cd w« w M'd rr|iudiNte ilw Iny « Icinvsl. Ifaiiy renUood c««»d Ihs uffiCivd bj p«Miiif M tt^atf hv. wiiuld m^ go cvn* V , '^^. J.fl. Haoartv, R«>f|. Mtd, lie wwiM fcenfd " ... M« efnpbiffc nr»ev* pgtlNti thm iiriiieiple.-^ Wl^M hut theHij: elemfAt t«u(>c0pf«fM/iMl M* ^ ^.-j^ftliiiftii — if tritbdraftn it vonM !♦« 4KtmiMfi %!»§ f «mpbirtlepi!r. 'CR iMt l^itviety. l.iijmeo %afiM Wlr^'aXoicet being tncbrpnriit^d mrllibtra^tb W^ih the Gi>treriiin<*Dt liad viviti tli«* | itroinige^ i . ^t h >aa ih^^at*, ti«a«i|rtidf« fiMriaii. ^ Vbn «i^-«iti^i w, be It a**»«iNl 4u#* Tbr Bi^ waa then vottd IImmb fbt Clakv iM the Yen. Arabd««eeiia of MJimMm ftlM Ibfftli^ and the thmnka ofibe totod to bb^totdahift the IfVtr. j-;i,-»- > . 1 . iff'ia »' * V r »l5 ••*!^J m ' ^ . 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