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For several da3's the time of this House has been occupied in the discusMion of this most irnjiorlant subject, and 1 must say that I hail with pleasure the opportunity which is furninhcd rae to-daj' of submitting to Parliament and to the country the view which I have taken from the beginning; of the i^ow historical Kiel question, and the reasons which actuated me in the conduct which I considered it my duly to take in reference to it. Of all the charges that can bo levelled against a public man, of all the grave accusations which can bo brought against a public man in the discharge of his official duties, L think the mosit infamous is that of being a traitor to his countrj-, a traitor to his people. For weeks, nay, for months, my hon. colleagues and myself have been traduced before public opinion in our Pro\'iDce. Wo have been accused of being traitors to our blood and traitors to our Province. Sir, I wish to ask to day how came it that wo could have laid ourselves ojion to such a grave charge. I want to know how it is possible that men, who I'or years and j-ears have enjoyed the conlidenco of their countrymen, of the friends who support us in Parliament, should have rendered thomsolvos guilty of tho charge which has been brought ag'.insl us. Sir, under circum- stances of extreme ditficulty, knowing as we did know, and as it was our duly to know, what public opinion was in the Province oi' Quebec in regard to this question, we havo been charged with being traitors to our people and our Province, because we allowed tho law to take its course. We did so because we considered it our duty not to inter- fere with the carrying out of the sentence against Louis Riel. Mr. Speaker, I consider it my duly ; I consider, moreover, that I would not bo displaying that courage which every public man should possess in the performance of tho duties entrusted to him, if I were not to state, from my place, to Parliament and the country, that if similar circumstances should arise again to those which took placo last year, I should do exactly as I did on that occasion. I do not wish. Sir, to bo misunder- stood, I felt, and 1 feel to-day, more than I can oxpross, how painful was the duty which we were called upon to perform. I felt that it was not a light thing to sever those lies, political and social, which had bound me to those friends and countrymen who had entrusted me with their confidence and who withdrew it on that occasion. Hut I folt that it was my imperative duty to my own Province of Quebec, which I lovosomnch, to take the course I did ; and I say again, notwithstanding whut hon. gentle- men opposite may say, that if the same circumstances ehould aiise iigiiin, I would do exactly as I did before. Sir, J am glad to be able to say that since this debate com- monoed it has, with few exceptions, been conducted in i\ mani.or befitting the gravity oi tho question under discus- sion, and in a manner of which we havo no reason to bo ashamed. In doing my little share in this discussion, and in the presentation of my views, I hope I shall be able to follow that which has already been set by sovo'-al hon, gentlemen, and that I shall do so without injuring the feelings of those who differ vrith tne. S'r, I think 1 am expressing tho opinion of all my friends, which opinion has already been expressed by my hon. oolloaguo the Minister of Interior, in saying that we all fool proud in having as a member of this House, the hon. memner for Quebec iiust (Mr. Laurier),in view of the speech which ho mado last night, It was a speech of which I believe I am safe in saying any Parliament could bo proud, and in discussing tho question which to him, coming from tho Province of Quebec, as lo mo coming from tho tame Province, is one certainly which must have appealed to his feelings, as he showed it did during the delivery of that speech, — I say, ho has conducted tho discussion in such a way as I hope will have a bono- ficial efl'oct on the whole debate. I have said that I con- sidered it was ray bounden duty to my country, to my Prov- ince, to act as 1 havo acted as an advisor of the Grown. Mr, Speaker, as Miniwlers of the Crown, occupying, as wo do, the Treasury benches, we are here representing, not one individual Province but the whole Dominion of Canada. I deemed it was an obligation forus, occupying those positions, to maintain thoijeaceandoi-der in the Dominion, I considered it our duly lo maiutaiQ tho credit ofthis country at homo and abroad, I considered that was our duty as Ministovri of thu Crown, responsible for the peace of the citizens inhabiting this country. I say more. We know, from the public documents of this Parliament, how much treasure Canada has been investing for the purpose of bringing to our vast and fortilo prairies of the west, the population of tho over- crowdeil centres of Europe, It is necessary, if wo are to hold out inducements to immigrants to come to Canada and to settle in happy homos in our country, to show that Canada can protect those who entrust their future to bor care. It is necessary for us to show that, whether in tho extreme North- West or in the older Provinces, the Govern- ment of Canada is snfBciently strong to protect her people and to maintain law and order, ft was important from 'Vis' •*: •«"JV... 2 c ) lliut HtanJ|Miiiii thttt ilioro Hlioulii bo '.v> ancorUin Hdiiiid uboiit Iho lu'.iDii of tbo (iovornmoiit. It wan im|)oi'lant tliHt it fcliould bo known iibroiid, in thu old countrv and all (H'ur ('tti'iUda Ihiil thu I'oininion wus ittrong enougn, vant uh uru bur tonitorioH, to maintain, ah I have Htatod, law and order in overy poi tion of bor donininM. Wo bavo, inoi eovor, — und tliiit itt a mohl iin|iui'i.unt Icaturo, aH I undortttand it, in tiiu nroHcnl dol)ato — tbouMandt* of un Indian |>opuhilion in the Norlh-WeHt. I bolicvo cvory man who doBircH to »oe Cniiuda udvancinf; and piottpiirourt mu«l fool Ibal, having ac'(iuirod thoHo toiritoriuN which formerly wore tho unoou- toHled bomvH of tho indiunH, wo nhould bo truo and loyal to thoHo whom wo havo taken under O'lr j)rotoction. Wo huvo u lur^o number of Indiana in that territory who liHve a ri^ht to expect that they Hbull be Inyally and kindly Irciited, that tho trcatioM into which tlmy havo ontored with tho (iovernmont Bhiill bo Norupulonsly ca rriod out , but it is of tho greatest imiwrlanco that they nhould ii\tw it is possible to afford to Louis Kiel the sympathy which in some quarters it has boon attempted tc mako believe txistcd. When all the circum- Htai.rca of this outbreak are fully gone into, when we come to consider tho manner in which it was jireparcd and organise*!, when we come to consiiler the number of lives which it has cost tho Dominion, the treasuro that has been expended during tho revolt, L say it was time for us to consider whothiT tho most energetic possible moans should not bo taken to jirovont the recurrence in tho future of any such tioublus as we ha? iho ]iH|)erH wliich Imvo boon pmiluced, forminf^ purl of the uviilonco wiiioh bax boon tnkon in ihnt cane, that hit ohjoct wan to f,'et up in tlio Norlli-WoHt a war of extermination ? It wan liiH piirpOHO to get up a war the moHt hoirihlo ol nil wai-H, an Indian war, and nioru ortpu- h»re oecnrred. The pol'oe attacked us. We mi't them, Uo4 baa giron ub a rjotory. Tbirtj half- breeds and Ave Orei'S stood the liiiht aicaioit one hundred and tweutr men. Alter fighting during tbirt7-ei|{bt or fortj miautea the enemy took flight. " Bleis God with us for the aucce'i that he baa had the charity togivu ua. Rije up Face the police. IF possilile. if It la not done yet, tuke Port Rataille. Oeatroy it. Save all the proriiiiona and goodi, aud come and join n>. You are In aufflcient uumbers to send us a detachment forty or fifty atrong. " All that you do, do it for the sake of God Almighty, under the knep- ing uf Jesus Cbrmt, the Uoly Virgin, Kt. Joseph and 8t. Jean Baptiste. " (Signed) LOniS DAVID RIBL, Kzavtii" This letter shows what kind of a hero Louis David Riel was. Now, Sir, with your pertnission I shall read a letter which was addressed to me some time ago by His Grate Archbishop Grandin, and which I now read to the House with his permission. The letter is dated the 12th of July, 1885. To avoid reading tho original and translating it before the House, 1 have translated it myself, and I shall read to the House the translation 1 made. The original, however, is here, and can bo given to Uansard ; but so as not to inflict u])on the House the reading of the letter in French and English, I thought it might bo more convenient and more acceptable to the momberri if I read from the trans- lation : " HoNOBiiM AID DaiR Sir,— Aasuredly the troublea in the ^forth- Weat did not fail to worry you a great deal, and its geems to me that Your Honor must breathe more freely now that they are subdued. I fully shani ^our satisfaction. However, I must add that, as to me, it is tar from being -omplete. The rebellion has particularly wounded my heart; I baTesuGTered when I saw our good half-breeds— deceived and terrorised by a raiseralile maniac — despise our advice, mistrust our devotion, declare against the Government, against the Oharoli and against God. Above all, I have been painfally afected when, at the voice of that sort of po^^aessed man, I saw the Indians riae and go to the exteut of murdering persons who had never done them any wrong, who had never done them aught but kindness -persons who, like our dear miaaionaries, had saerifioed for them their very eiistenca. "The murders, tho almost entire destruction of our settlements, the ali^olutely complete dentruction of many otljers, the pover'.y, the uu- "asiness, the anguish of mind, the fear, the diacouragemenl among the vanqumhed, the hatred and despair among many— this, above all, ii what frigbtena me and cauiaii me almost to forget my personal disaatera No doubt every one suffers mure or less from thia uneaalness and llirsa aad forehodinga ; but It aeemi. to me that I sullir llierefroni more tlian any one." Here is aiiothor extract from that letter, which I bog al.so to read : *' I forward to the Mini iter o.' Jusitlte a p«titton In favor of the balf- lireeds oompromiHuU in ttiia lamentable reli-lllon, not that 1 a 'proved or it, f tr from this, but I puittive y know th.it tli>^se poi>r ret>ols have hi<>iug a iiiiiil and a griat ., saint. He spent in prayers both days and nights. He wonlil lait oft-'u and told everyone that his was .i truly Divine mission. He wound up by giving himself as a juau of Uod, and from that moment there wai nothing to hinder him. Knjjyiog a Divine authority, he was superior to tho clergy and to all rfligiona , these words wire always in his mouth, 'the will of God must be done.' Many of liis oonntrymeo were frightened at his excesses ; as the priests had dons, ihey wished to re- sist him, in the debatoa, he would conquer them with abuse, liej and threats , he caused iheni to be iDiprisoued, and even condi'mned tnem to death. Understanding that it wa% impossible to rerst him, many took refuge either in Prince Albert or in thj bush. When they returned they found themselves ruined as well as the otbersi. .So it is, lunorable and dear 8ir, that the greater part of tho prisoners at Regina are victims speoially of terrorism. They are m>re stupid than guilty, and, there- lore, 1 claim indulgence towards them. Wh>-n I asked this favor, I can say that I would be home up by all reaaonabie persona in the country, of all natioaali'.ies and of uU religious denominations " The Bishop goeg on to speak of the councillors who also were prisoners at iiegioa: " As regards the councillors of this new Mahdi, bow can they he jusli- fird. Alas! dear .Sir, these poor people have positively been chosea on eccount of their ignorance and nf their timorousneas ; iu the meetingi they dared not opru their mouths, resolutions were pressed in their naiiiei when they did not even know what was tho mattnr. To-day terror reigns amongst all the balflirecds of the district, nay, through all tha nations, although they praiae the noble conduct of General MIddleton, who — said to me poor mothers and the missionaries — acted more like a father thaa as a oonquorer." These letters go to sho V what kind of a man Riol was. It is almost impossible, the more ono goes into the history of this rebellion, the more ono roads thodocumonls and papers reletiiig '.o it, to I'nderstand how even an attempt could be made to convert Kiel into a, hero. Not only have we got these letters which I have road, but we have got letters which I will not read, becaurto they have been already sub- mitted to tho House, from I'^athers AndriS, Moulin, Vogro- ville, Ijecocq, and Prdre Pii^uet, who etat.^.i positively tha* the rebellion was entirely the work of lyouis Riol, and that he was perfectly sane. We have got, if it wore necessary to complete tho testimony adduced, evidence to show the disastrous plane entertained by Riol, ami to show that ho was perfectly capable, from the state of his mind, of carry- ing out his nefarious schemes. His own writing which ho published, his last will and testament, his letters to his mother and to his wife, hif. farewell letters, his retractation of his religious errors — all those go to show that he was really in a sarie state of mind and per- fectly accountable for tlio acts of which he was found guilty. We have also evidence to show what his intentions were, for he tried to induce tho Indians to join in his rebel- lion, and wo have an interview, which wan pnliliahod in the newspapers, establishing beyond the posi^ibility of doubt that ho had tried to ioduoe Crowfoot, ono of tho leaden of IndianH, torino in relxilllon. Wo have undoubted proof that ho tried to kindio an Indian war in 1870-80 i wo have aliio the ovideni'o of Father Andi4, which ORtubliMhoH beyond tlie poMaibiiity of diHOUiwiun, that the motivea ot liiul in the agitation wore iDtero«to! derogatory to the high character they deterr - ediy enjoy, or the responilble duties they unclertnok to perform lam not implying, then, any present doubt as to the Justice of the trial. For ail my en(|uirles, it may have been i erl'eotoMKew<, if we hnd not, hnving ro^Bi-d Rololy to our duty, ullowed (he Ihw lo take itH (lournu and the Hontenuo to be oxo('Ute day. True it in that (or the moment a portion of thut. public opinion Hcomud to diiiup- prove of the action of the (Jovernmont in thiH now liiNtorical Hid miillor. i^iit, .Sir, thut Hurpriftn luxted only for a riiument, und the reaction Um alrcmly hoI in ; vho rcnc tion \n growing Hlroiiger und Hlrongcr every diy, and 1 four not, when the lime uomen, to apuoul again lo thut public opinion upon the courHe which nus been followed by the (invornmont uiwn that mutter, and I know my Province HufHciontly well lo be j;erfoclly Hure thut the verdict will bo thai the Uovorrimeal did itH duty under moHt painful and diHtrcHHing circum»tunceB — did ite duty to the country, and that is whul we were put here to do. Sir, I wbh p \iied to Heo in tionio of the pupurH puhliHhed in this country, an uocu- oation of dinloyalty lovelletl aguinHttho Province of (Quebec. Mr. Speukor, those who havo read the history of our coun- try, tho8o who know tho biHtory of the Province of Quol)ec, know very well, (hut in 1812, after that Province, or Kroncl. Canada UH it wbh oiillod, had changed itH allegiance and bad pa8^cd fiom one tlag to another — that Province, French Canada, Htood l>v the Crown and resiMted all tho templing otfcrH which wore made to them by tho American Kepublio, to join in the fight againHl Kngland, in which they were told thoy would have an opiK)rtunity of revenge. Hir, I claim for that Province— and I bolievo I expreiinl on und 'itluigiDK t» Ihr miik King- dom, and that I will dnfdnd bar lu Ibe ulmuat nt mj (xiwar •||>liiat til tr«itoroni cimaplriteiaa, and *ll ktUmpU wbatarar wblcb ntjr bti in*da KKalntt liar pariuo, Uruwn »nd dlxnit; , tml thut I will tiia my iilnioil riiili'ikrori ti) diiclut* (iid tnkk* ItoowD lu Kar U*Jailjr, bar bvirt iir Miicuiiaiura, kll iraaaun or trtltoruut cuiiiplriiolri, And nttaniiita whiob I nball know to h^ iKkinit bar ur nnjr of tbam ; and all thIt I do iwaar without an; (jualilioatiuii, luautal ruaorratlon or lacrat raaorTStiuii." 1 believe tho hon. gentleman who ronresontH Mogantio ('Mr. Lungolier) stated ihat that outbreak wax not againnl the Crown but against the Government. That hon. gentlumun isu lawyer, and I have no manner of doubt that ho knows per- I'uctly well that tho Hritlsh North America Act, Rvcliun It, declares ; — "Tlia Riroiitlr* QoTxrnmant and authorltj of and ofar Canada ll harrhy daclarcd tu eoutlnua and ba rattad in the Qiieah.' Taking it whiohover way the hon. gentleman |ilcaHos, ho w.ll SCO ihot the stHlomonl — which, of course, 1 ^'uppose is properly reported (I know not whether such is thii I'HHo, and 1 wax not present at thut great meeting when tho hon. mombor lor (juubely did our duty towards ('anada and towai-ds tho Province of Quebec. Wo claim for our people, for those who are the descendants of the very men who opened up lo Christianity und civilisation ihis vast North American continent, otiual rights with tho people of other nationalitiew who innabit tho country. Upon that point we will never give in; I know, for one, I would not consent to give in upon any question of equality of rights with any other Province in the Dominion. In any case it is our interest to have a criminal law in this (country which applies equally to French and Kngiish, to .Scotch and Irish. There must be no law different for one man from thai which is applicable lo another; there must bo no criminal law which applies lo one nationality and does not apply lo another nationality. Wo wish to be one Canadian people, united, happy and law abiding, and it is only on that condition we can carry out, or attempt to carry out, what I believe is reserved for us to do upon this coulinonl, I, for one at least, can never agreo lo pressing upon the people of tho Province of (juebeo a feeling of Jingoism which would bo fatal to us. This feeling, if carried out, would mean iiiolution and the separation of the Province of (Quebec from the other Provinces, and it would arouse against the Province ot Quebec a hostile fooling from tho other component purls ol tho Dominion, in reading up this Riolcaso 1 also observed that some people supposed that the people of tho Province of (Quebec were not in sympathy with the ospirntions of tho people of the other Provinces. I can assure this House that they are completely mistaken, if they suppose for one moment that sound public opinion in our Province is not in sympathy with sound pablio opinion in other ProvincoM ; and thoy are also mistaken if they suppose for one momonl tiiat the people of the Province of Qaeoec are in sympathy with this Kiel movement. Tho other night the hon. mem- ber for Quebec East (Mr. Laurier) deniid, as I understood him, that it had been attempted to organise a Fronch Na- tional Party upon the iiiel question. Allow mo to quoto from the speech whioh the hon. gentleman delivered at tho meeting on the Champ do Mara, and from that speech and the speech of Mr. Morcior and other evidence 1 jwasess, 1 WAiil to kimw wliollier il i« (Mtntiblu lur llio lion. nioiiiUir lor (jiiet)«o Kant to l^iuiro lli« fkot (hut an •t(«m|i( wMmwIn li> or^MiiiHii a Kritni h NulioiiMl imiiy iti (ho I'rovmi'o of (jUflKic, ihttl ull iiHrly liiioN hIihuIiI 'liH«)i|M)Kr nt(iiiiiiiMl. Iluru m an «aira«'t of tlio i>|)uoi'h wliinh tl\u lion, incmlxir lor (jii«l>«o Ka«l ilujivoriHl lit tho mooting on tin- l'liam|) do MarH, aa r«purUt>l In Aa J'atrie utWih Novuml>cr, lHt4."i (tranalatlon) . " lUattlurlli llitr* will l)ii D«ith>r IJhtritIi nor OoMrr>*ti«M . only lilt (r'ftt b«ll»n«l |>«il/ eniiipuird of ili* iilll upon to iinkko *n hltluriaal •kuloli of ih* Kri«r*na« uf ih« I'ltirbr'-o'lt, h* minlii Mr ibm th«j hxl bmn >ho violimi kI »II kin !• of Kiturilona, snil ho Ixlia'na Ibai in auoh a aaaa iioiia uf Ilia II '*r»r« wiiiiM li*<» Iwa i»iail la i li luMariiig k mutkat id tiKhlcKUiial >lianiali'ai ipariilaiura." Mr. Muroior, who wuh alHO proitont on Iho lamo oocaaion, MtatftI (iraiiHlatioii) : " ill Iha fnoa nl thaaa erimai, of iliuM r»:ll0(l, whit la onr ilnly ' Wa tialiara «a Iiits ihrna tIjiiiKa to ilo la ordar to |i>inlab Iha olTandara : To liraak Ihi- alliaacK wlilrh u ir iiii iiiir national Inlaii'iti To unlla ' II >w K'ail t loal wta«ii I pronouuo* thii wunl I For tvri'Dljr jearipMl I hare luuihl u iinlta tka Tilal roicai of ib« nation. ' 1 liolii'vo, inoroovor, tha'. tllinHor- vulivuN which would ('oiii|)ONo Ihix now Lilicral party, ho was uoKurcd, Would ai'copt hiin art thoir luador. I n')licu that III mul(a (Mr. Doa- jardinrt), a C'onNorvativa at that time, and in making hix Htatotnunt about tho or^'uniHation of the Kioiiuh National party ho cortuiiily did not quote any of Mr. Mercior'a apeochoH, or tho HpoorhcH dulivuiud by any Lihorala on that ouoaaiou. I cannot hut ask niVNolt tho (|U0Htion, how it can bo poHHJblo that our poopio in tho i'rovinco of (juoboo Hhould bavo any admiration for Riot. As Ih woll known, oar poo- pio arn aincoro Cathulica ; thoy aro led tu lo and tho oluigy, and how could it bo poH^iblo that till) people ot the I'rovinco of Quobuc would havo huuh an adniiiatioii for that man. For hia own pur- pOHua he gave up hia ruligion ; for biH own purpoaoa ho waa ready to uive up hia own poopio ; and I aak again, how Ih it poaaibln that thia man could bua huro?Tlio loiter whioh [ read if MoiiHcigneur (iiandin nhowa what frightful deNlruciion, what mirior> bo had caiiaud to tlio poopio in tbal diHlriot. Anyone reading tho luttera which ray hon friond, tho mem bor from Monti eal Centre (Mr. Curraii), iiuotod tho other day, from tho papers publiahoU in tho rVo/tni/ci/ti'.m o/' Me J'aitK — 1 xay, for ono who hna read tsuoh papora, and Knowa anything of thejumilion of tho^- nonta for the purpoae of iiijuring me In my own Province, i refer lo that ofieii apokan of buni|Uot which 1 allundad in the city of Winnipeg. I wna auciMod ol having accepted a 10 day s crime. Th Amyol) who lo-day Ih'nks vory tliirnronlly of myaelf from what ho used to, hns dooiniHl it hia duty, in Jelivuring hi* Npeech tho othor ni^ht, to ruler to that li:tnquot, and lo aay thai 1 had gone up for the pnrpoHO of ilrinking champagne under tho gallows of Kiel. Well, Sir, Iho matter as I un- doratand il is very ainiplo and o:isily explained. 1 waa going up to Winnipeg, as is well known, for the purpoao of aottling tho claima arinin^r imt of the lobellion. I '>ople had travelled hundri'd.tand hiinliedsnf miles tovomel< 'iinip«g soaa to bo able to procure evidonce which it wat I'aary to procure and lo bavo tluir claims adjuhted. •vaa v«t thu very begiiiiiiiepurtmenl, and who hud created, as ho generally doea wherever lio goes, a moat favorable impression, had keen tendered a bani|uel by hia friends in Winnipeg. 1 wits invited to jiin that banquet. Now, Sir, I led Ottawa on t!io Slat of October. I knew when I left, aa a member of thb (rovernment, that Uiol waa not to hn execatod on tho 10th. '. knew tbal the meK waa abioluMly m (.esaary to lettle tbi> acoouDti lor the military A MAODO.HALD.' eipeditiun oauied bv the outbreak. " Voura faithfully. That shows, 8ir, that when I left it was decided in Council that unleaa tho medical roporla woro suoh aa to eatabliah that the mental atate of Louis Rid had changed for the worse ainco hia conviclion and aeotonco, the aoDteuce bhould be allowed lo bo carried out. Tho Order in Counoil of the 12lh ia not at all in contradiction lo this letter. The leltor bhows tbal it was decided to aend out medical moD, and it waa andorstood in Counoil that in consoqnenoe of that tho execution coald not take plaoo on tho 10th. The report of tlm miwHuhI mon i» iIhIoiI It^xni'i, the Hth, •lid It wm irii|K>MibUi t'ur it ti> ii'itoh huru uiitl tlin i>rilitr fur the •scuiiiion to Ih< hodI up on llio lUih. Tlint wmi phyaioAlly impla. Viei wim reapitixl bf lint ni«*{iHlr»tu uiilil thn Kllh, anl the Ordor in Council ol llio I !Ui WM thkt tliu law rtlKJulit tuku lu (lourHti. Thura- lorii 1 i;«iiij(it noo whiro thore i« utiy cuntriKlii'tlon, M Mimn hon. gian(|tioi. Wall, Nir, I iniml rti|Miat what I liav« alrotdr Nai>l, lliitt tlis l«w ramarki« 1 niada tlioro have IxHin piiblmliod, and I am iwrt'eotly rowly to ba judifad by my utloruncaa on lliul lu latiiiin , and 1 a«lc, 8ir, in il not (iiiito eiTidttnt tlial it wan lor Ibu |iur|MiMii of injiirln)( mo that tliiit ^'roat cry wiih ruined about (liia ban- quet at Winnipeg/ II il wvie witbin my knowlud^e that the asMculiou waa not to tnka plucu on the lOtb, what reuMoii had 1 to raluHU an invitation that waM c.onvuyotl to roo by the Liberal Connervutive AHHo<'iulion at Winnipjg, tho organiaation ul'oiir own (Hililical party, roinpoH«d of ^ontlo- men iu the Montidonoo ol tb>i loadurM ol that parly, and wliu Wore t«)Ddurinf( a bampiol to the lluu. Mr. While, and ware kind enough to invite niu/ It really iniulu nuditVorenc.o when 1 know that the execution wan not ibon tu take place; and tbu Htatement 1 made tliori) wu.i niinply wbut every loyal man In tliii« cnuiitry would muku, tliul I bad noHyinpatliy with rebela uiui lliitt 1 batod rubullion In il an iiUunince Ibnt l.uaa Kronub'Cuniidiun, < oiiiin^ Irom lliu I'lovitiio oft/uolH'i', •hunid nol have niiido '/ \» il itn utterance that my ptviplo would ret'UKO to allow mo to miiKu in iho city of Winnipu);, or in any other plai'o in tbiH Dominion, or oulHide ot thix IHiniiniun'/ Hut, Hir I wiih ul(n(^kod. Men iiltoin|)tod to make my ca^o ditt'uronl from tho ouhu of my coIIoh^uum, who, I rouat May, and I am proud to Huy, liuvo been Hr> jnyal to ine during tbo wbolo Iniuble. Tbo mon who altacked mo itaiil that wo bud given up llio rigbtb of our Provinuo, that we liad boon truiiorH to oar own poopio, and bad «ncri- Hcedtheni to tho inloreHtaol Orangeidm and I'rotoHtuntiHm. Well, bir, the rolurii my hon. friend pluuod on tho Tablo ay tor one, and do not wiih to Hit ilown at lli>i dinnur table ot any geiitlcnuin who would forco from Mill a pledge to dobowover Htnall a thing in oxchango tor liiit hoapilalily. 1 have bore comniii'iiraliotm wbii^h were Htmt to mo by Ibo organiarrH ol iIhh banqiiol, I Hbiill ruaii one nf tliein, an I do n il wunt to luke up tbo time of tbo IIoiiho by reading iboiii all, bill, if allowwl to dj no, nbatl bund them to llantard, no that they may appoar in ib« report of tho debate, aM il Ih ol nomu importance to niu ibai they Hhould appear. The pitpor 1 um about to road in a declara- tion Irom Mr. Scartli, who Ih wuII kimwii bore and bettrr known still in Toronto, and wIiuho lienor in almvo any mm- picion. Hi*i de<'larution runs an IoI'owd: — " I, Wlllioni Bain Soartb, of ttin eil; of Winiiip'ir In lli^ oiuntf of Brliilrk kDic<>i uf tl«> ('(iritiirrktlvti Aliuolxian, woiill mil \\»ir Ukxii |ilnu« Im'l ii not h)ll^n f'lr aa ururanct from tbt »U Sir A I*. I'urou iliat Uiul wuulil l.«nu." Mr, MILLS. II. ar. boar. .-ir AIM)L1'IIKC.\I!(JN; " 1. rimt (uoh r«poii i« unlrii*." Tbo hon. goiillomiin might niiy "hour, hour" now. Al- though an op|K>nenl of minu, ho muni be glad to hour that the character of one of bin colleaguea in tbo Houno uf Com- mons bati beon vindicated in n mutter uf thin kind— "3 TLat I tm thr Prfiident of !)<• WInnlppR Aat'CiatloD, and ir«i nhtirmaD ''ha Hiiiii|ii(illin|i Uutuniitlaii, «nd prtal'ltd «t lhi< uli b»a- iiiiet, kDa « a knowiedgs of th» fai'ti cnnni'oteil with thn ismp 4. Thikt on til* SOth ditjr of H«plflnil>ei tut, 1 inxnlinniMl to n lion Thoniti Whili*, who wai then in WiiinippK,, Ihitt tijn llunaerrklire Aataoriittton would like to i-nteilaln him at a banqiirt on bit relurn frum hit trip to .Utniiulia and the Norib-Wcit Territorire, and aiki-d hitn to let m« know whnn he wai llkiciatiom miftbt lie propirljr adrimiil. f>. That on or about lliv JUth of tlctolxir lafit pait, the ^aid lion Tboinat While telesritphed me that he would br in Wlnnl|>eK on Tiieidajr, the 3rd d»Ti)f Novpiiilier Uil pael. •). That on the rf oi-ipt ol iiaid teleKraph, I lafled the Aieociation tuzciher, and it wu then decided to Uoder a baoquel to the lion. .Mr Aljlie on the lOih daj of Norember, and ai it wa< reported thai dir A f liaron wai coining to Winni|w.(, it wai decidrd at auch iiireiinK to make it a lutminrt to the two Itiniater*. iSir A P. Oaror. ai'd the Hon Thomaa While, to take place OD the afjreiald d'.ia. 7 T. ut ilie following telegramt were ••Dt — "WiNNiraa, HoTimbcr Hrd, 1II8J. " Hon. TnoHia Whiti, Uanitou, Han. ■' Ooniervatlra AuociatlOD tend< r tuu and Hir A. P. Uaroa banquet Tueidar eTening, lOtb init Please wire aceepiance. (Signed) " W. B. 8CARTH." " Wmairia, Nurember 3, 1883. " Sir A. P. Oason, OtUwa, Ontario. " CanterTaliT* AiiooiatioD of Winnipeg tender jou and Mr. White banquet Tueadar crening lOib iaat. Wire wbetlmr vou will he hrre. (Signed) "W. U. bCAHTU" To which replies were recoivod as follows : — " Oiiioiuo, III , Norember B, I'BJ. "To CoN8EBi*Tiri AliociiTioN, Winnijieg. "Shall be in Winnipeg Haturday. Many tkanka tn the CoatefTatire Aii>ociatian of Winnipeg for the kindneii in tendeiing banquet to ni}- i«ll and colleague. (.Signed) "A. P OARON." " MoRDli, Norember 3, 1889. " To W. B. SSABTII " Pieate coDTejr to OonMrratite Aatoeiation mj grateful accaptanoe to propoied banquet on 10th init. ^ ^ (Signed) "7H0MA9 WIIITK.' "S. Tliat pr«p»rttiuni wcra at one* commanrrtl on the •trangth ol (Kill rapllri, and without any othtr uiurauM or oummuDlcationi to a»ld Minlitari, kiid without anj Interruption ooDtlaued up to the tlm* of th* •■id banqMt, iiotwIthitAudiDg ihe fact that It WH knowa before (aid b .nquet that Riel wa< rripita T. t. That I did not, nor, lo far ai I know, did aDT member of the banquet ooinmltte* or anj perion harlag anT control of the arranf(amrnta of the baoqtiet, ipeak to HIr K P. Uaron before iaiil banquet about whether Rial woulu be hanffnl or uot, nr leek lo obtain an; aaiarance froic 8lr A. P. Uaron .hat RieTwould be banged. 10 That I did not, nor, I bellere, dl 1 an; of the banquet cunmiltee or other peraon In chargj of acid banquet, hear or hare aoj aaturance from air 4. P. Uaron, before aald banquet took place, that Riel would be hanged. II That the quetUoi of the QoTarnment dealing with Kiel waa uientioneil bj aume meniberi of the laid oommittee at a meet- log held oil 'hfa erenlng nr the afternoon of the daj prerioua to the bb.iuiirt, and the uiilj atatement I then made waa that we might relj on Ilia law being oropetl; u'mlnlitervd, and could lafel; leara tha natter in tha hanaa of the leader of the Qarernment who bad for ao long a time proparljr and well admlnlatered tha aSaIra of 8tate. 13. No deputation, d<'tegation or bodj waa erer appuinled on behalf of tbn OunaerTatife Aiaociation to diaouaa the qnoatiou ot Riel witb Sir A. P. Oaron, and,ul couiie.no inch d! cuaniou took place. And I make tbia declaration coiiicipntlniiil; believing the lame to be true, and bj virtue of an Act paaaed in the 37lb year of Her Majeatj'a reign, cotltuled " Ar Act for tha luppreaiion ol Voluntary and extra-Judlcial Oatha." (Signed) "W. B. BOABTH. " Declared before me at the cltr of Winnipeg, \ in tlin county of Selkirk, tna SOth day of> NoTember, 1886. I (Signed) "A. D UoOlkioran, " Uoumitaloner for tftkiog Affidavita. " The followii g is Mr. Uilmour's deolaratioD : — " I, Thomr J Henry Oilmour, of the coonty of Sflkirk, lo the ProTinee of Manitoba, barrister-ln-law, do golemnly declare ai followi :— " I now am and aince before the 1st NoTemlwr instant 1 hare been the •ecretary of the Winnipeg Llberai-Oonavrrative Aasorialion. 1. I acted M ^rcvlary of the comniitlee appuiut^id by the said association to tender a ban(|iiet to Hir A. P. Uaron and the Hon. Thomas White at Winnipeg, on the 10th day of Norember, inat., andaa one of said committee 1 waa tr officio aeorttary of all the sub-committees appointed in ooouection With aaid banqi. .a. 3. In the aaid capacity of secretary I waa at all the meetings of iba banquet committee, and while arrangements were being made for said banquet, and for about twaire days prior to said lianquet, I came in daily contact witb the rarious members of the banquet com- mittee in connection with the arrangements for the banquet. 4. I met and conferied witb Sir A. P. Oaron prior to the banquet, and at no time did I ever hear any one speak to him that the btnqaet would not be held If Kiel was not executed, and I never beard Sir A. P. Oaron state or intimate, to myself or to anyone else, that Riol wonld be executed, and 1 never heard him give any assurance to that effect. On Monday afternoon, tb-t 9tb November— the day prior to the banquet — a meetirg of the banquet committee was held to make final arrangemsnta for the banqnet, aud I was present at this meeting and acted aa secretary to the oommittee, and at tola time I did not know, and to the best of my kiow- ledge none of the members of the committee knew, what action would be taken regarding the eincatlon of Riel : and an enquiry having been made by one of the members of the oommittee as to whether it was known whether Riel would be executed or not, Mr. W. B Hearth, the President of the said Association, who occupied the chair, then stated that all UonaerratiTes should be satisfied that the QoTornaeat would adopt a right coxrae, whatever might be done, and that ba thought this question should not in any way alfect our action oonoem '. n g the banquet, and up to the hour of the banquet, and until after it wai over, I had no intimation from any source wiiatuver regarding Kiel, further than that ha waa respited until the 16th November, and I do not believe aov mem- beir of the banquet committee or of the aasoeiation received any Intima- tion whatever at any time from Sir A. P. Oaron as to the course tdat the Qorernment would adopt in regard to Riel. " That the statement or report which I understand are in circulation in some quarters to the effect that the banquet would not have taken place had not iti aeauraaoe been given that Riel would be executed is without foundation and ii wholly nntrue, to the beat of my knowledge, the sole motive on the part of the Oonservatives being tha desire to honor two of their trusted leaderl; and I make tbia declaration con- scientiously believing the same to bs trne, and by virtne ot an Act passed in the 37th year of Her Majesty's reign, intituled : " An Act for the suppression of Voluntary and extra-Judicial Oaths." (Signed) " T. H. Q'' OR. " DecUred before me at the city of Winnipeg, ) in the county of Selkirk, this 30tb day of \ November, 1888. J " J. \r. S. Dadbt, Oommiuionerfor Uk < ." These declarations, which are also corroborated by >n I have received /rem my valued friend the Hon. me' - for Provenciier (Mr, Royal) at the time, and gever 'her letters from gentla^nen who saw me while I was in nni- peg, and who distinctly state that the report, whicn waa circulated with the intention of injurins me, WM altogether untrue. The letter to which I referred from Mr. Royal is in French, and reads as followi : — [rr(>iM/>i«aii.1 "St. DoNir.u-it, \fA.NiT»HA, <■ November .lOth, 1889 " .Mr i»Aa Bia AnoLriia,— I raotlTsdyonr letter of tha litb and I batten to stata that It is untrna that the Oonsarvative banqnet given at Winnipeg, only took piaoa after an intarriew which you and the Mlola- ter ot Interior had with a deputation, and during wbich interview yoa promised that Riel wnuld be bung. IrmT memory serves me right, you received yoar invitation to attand that banquet organised iu honor of Mr. White, at St. Paul, on your way to Winnipeg. (Signed) "J. ROYAL." It was also stated at some meeting that my own com- patriots, the French Oanadiana in Manitoba, hud refused to entertain me or to have any communication with me after the banquet had talten place. Here is another totter which I received from Mr. Boyal on this point : [ TVans/ad'ow. ] "St. Bo)iivt>;E, 3Tth Deoembar, 1885. " Prar 8iR,~Whtn you paid a visit to Mgr. Tach6, in November last, I am happv to state that not onlv His Lordship received you, but made you visit the institutions of St. Boniface in his own csrriaf^e. His Lord- ship accompanied yon, and after you had Mt St. Boniface, be took you to Winnipeg to visit tlie conveit of the Rev. Bisters of Joaus-Maria " I saw you on that O3oasioa ; tlis Superintendent of Education, Mr. Bernier, and Mr. Laririire, a member of the Provincial Ministry alio accompanied you. (Signed) "J. ROYAL." Now, these gentlemen who so kindly tendered me the hos- pitality of Winnipeg, and who were so good ms to accom- pany mo to the various institutions which make that city very interesting, showed me all these attentions after the celebrated banquet had taker place ; and I would like to know whether those men who take as great an interest in North- Western matters as any of the agitatoru who unsuc- cessful'y tried to get up a cry in Quebec against the Gov- ernment — I ask, is it possible to soppone, if my conduct had bMn 10 reprehensible as represented, that all these gentle- mou in Winnipeg wonld have shown me the kindness they did ? But the hon. gentleman, a few evenings ago, stated also that some telegrams had been sent by me to the right hot.\ the loader of the Qovernment.. I take a telegram, I do not know whether tbe hon. gentleman referred to this or not, but it if the telegram which appeared in his organ, and which was communicated through that journal to the press of tho country, — I take these telegrams as republished in the Mail. The hon. gentleman stated that, on November 8th, Sir A. P. Caron despatched the following telegram to Sir John Macdonald : — " People very mnch excited. I fear If tbe law it not allowed to take its course then will be mora trouble than anticipated. I can produce no evidence of thii, but know it to be a fact. ' ' I can tell the hon. gentleman that I never sent such a tele- gram. That telegram was never sent by me to Sir John Macdonald or to anybody else. The hon. gentleman, see- ing a contradiction of tbia having been sent by me, turned arouDd and said : No, it is not Sir A. P. Oaron who sent it to Sir John A. Macdonald, but it is Sir John A. Mac- donald who sent it to Sir A. P. G'aron. In any case I did not attach more importance to this statement than it deserved, but [ hope the denial which I give is emphatic enough to serve the purpose of preventing the circulation of such a rumor in the country. Now I come to reading tbe in- teresting letters which I stated I would read, from the member for Bellechasse (Mr, Amyot). I think he should not have stated, even being a bitter opponent of mine, what ho did publish, that I hmi attacked the 9th Battalion of Quebec. I will leave it to every hon. member of this Houiie if during the troubles, the unfortunate troubles in the North- West, I did not take every possible opportunity of expressing mv honest conviction that tho two French battalions which Trsnt to the front were equal to any battalions that were sent to the North- West. 1 ask tho hon. gentleman whether I did not on every occasion — little time as I had from the pressing occupations which required my continual attention at the Department — whether I did not, when any telegram or anything came to me which could be of any use to our volunteers, whom I admired so mnch during those trying times, take the first opportunity :l»4. '"T^'i^y'X' " 9 of monitoniriff il (o Iho HouHoand praiHin^ thoBe voluntoors W Ihoy ilo-i vod ti) bo pi'iiiHi'd ? U«\v is it pimhiblo th'.t I cnul'l lavii iiijini'd (Imi liiUalion wlii<'h tho hon. gon.l)- man iH ho anxinuM to dotbiiil, whun il in not iittui'k<>d ? Uow m it poH-iblo, in v'ow of tbo lottoix vhich I hohl from him, in which ho Hays: "Thiinka, many ihaakii, fur wimt you have Halrl of the 0th Battftllou." DnuH timl li)ok liko u letter uddroxHod tu u man who w»t< hnstilo to that battalion ? Dooh it look— joalotiH an tho mum- bor from BollochaNHO is ol bin battalion, and proporly so — liku a lottor which ho would havo addroNscd to mu if I had boon unjust to tho 9th Battalion ; but tosluy to roturn him thanks for having done ho. These lettorM wore very interoHting at the time, and thiy turn out very UHnful now. Hero is one, dated the 15th April, l>-iH5 : L Tyamlaiion. ] " Brorywherp was discovcrad Ihe friend!^ .laiid of the Ulniater and of ibv l3r|iartiiient, who eenmed to dib to bare done wonden in the fulfilmeut (if their duly.' ' He goes on again : " Thank you for what you bare iftid In th« House ahoiit thn 9th Battalion, t have a line battalion Thry are manly luMiers and 1 appeal to their heart. (Signed) " ». AMTOT. ' Mr. BEK(; KROX. Thoy aro niou of boa. t Sir ADOLPHECAIiON. Thoy aro hravo men, and all bravo mon aro full of heart, hi another loiter of the 9th May, tho lion, niembor sayM : [ Trantlattotu ] "I luuft tell yuK.and you mixy r>-pi'av it on my hehalf, that thn Hilitia Dri'artment haaalwayg don« the utinoit for ihv array. (.Signed) "Q. AMTOT. " Mr. AMYOT. l haiiijo nottiuig of that. Sir ADOIiPIlK iJAilON. Further: [ Tranttation. J "On the northern sbore of Lake Superior, there attain, at each atep may he seen the effort! of the Departmunt to allay the misery, Ac. Besides, whim w» consented lo make thia journey w« knew we were not going to a wedding. The spirit, the li»allh and the moral of tie troops are excelleut. If 1 go back to the country, I will endeavor to see that justice shall he dealt to those who, like yourself, do their utmost to ensure the comfort of the volunteers." The Hon. gentleman also dilferod from what he used to say in his newspaper, and oat of it, in attacking General Middleton who was in command of the troops. Well, in tho sam« letter which the hon. gentleman addresstvl to me ho sayH : (rranilalion.l "Middleton, who has never been out west, OAonot know anything about it, H'.' does his best where he la and is worthy of the highest praino He is a galant (general, and I have full coofi leunn iu him, but ha cannot do all oy bimaelt in sncb a vast country as this." He goes on further to state : "Ouimet and Strange also hA for reinforcements. I understand bow uiiicb all this will cost, but we mnst vanquish by all moans, and vanquish once for all." Now, I fail to Hoo how it is possible that the hon. gonlle- man, who wont up in command of bis battalion wishing to conquer, to-day should bo so anxious to defend those very people who put us to all this trouble and expense, and endanj^orcd the lives of our troops. But, Sir, long after the troubles were all over, il pleased Her Gracious Msjosty to confer U|ion me a title, and, long after tho troops had returned here, tho hon. gentleman was ono of the very first to send me a telegram of congraulation — for which I was very much obliged to him— in which he says: " Most hearty congratu- lations upon 80 well deserved a knighlship." Mr. AMYOT. Would tho hon. gentleman kindly give the date of that telegram ? Sir ADOLPHH: CARON. August 19th, 1886. I said it was long after the troubles wero over. Mr, AMYOT. Thoy are not over yet. Sir ADOLPHR CAKON. Tbo most sorioos troubles are over, but the trouble which tho hon. gentleman is trying lo gel up, and which is not very serious, is 'not over, f know. Mr. AMYOT. VVhy does it trouble you so much, then f Sir ADOLPUB CARON. Tho hon. goi.tloman reminds nio, by asking for tho date of this tokgruin, that he know very wull that Riul was then under sentonco of death, and yet ho sent Ui'h romplimenlary tologram, f( r which 1 folt very much oblige J lo him. Mr. AMYOT. Bocau'-o tho Monde was saying that 'Jiel won III not lio hanged. Sir ADOLPriK CARON. The hon. K"ntleman knows that the first duty of a soldior under fire in lo bu raliii uiiil not lo gut exi'ited. VVcii, Mr. Speaker, my friends in (Jiieboc, the loading mon there, j'^ined in presenting me with an addrens of congratulation when this title was conferred on mo, and one of vho very first to sign this address was tho hon, gentleman again, and, of course, ho must have read it, because I know him lo>i well to believe that ho would sign an address of that kiiid without taking tho troiible to road it. In that address occurred this para- grajih : — r rranilalion.'] " What an amount of gratitudi' the country owes you for the activity anil zeal with which you have fullilltd your irapcrtant duties during these days of trouble. t)ur aoldieri, whose heroic courxge during the recent campaign is now known far and wide, know bow to appreciate, to their lust value, the promptness with which you have acted, your vigilance and your anxiety for their welfare." That was signed by the hon. goiitloman. 8ir, the hon. eontlo- man also said that I had attacked tho troops. Now, 1 feel that more, if po.shihio, than anything which tho hon, gantle- man may have said, and L fell it at the time, because 1 cuu not, oven to-day, express to you tho gieat anxiety which, night and day, lay U[)on mo when 1 felt the responsibility entrusted to me of the welfare of tho battalions in tho field ; and 1 can say, in justice to myself, that I believe that I did, whether successfully or not, the best I could, and if thore was any fault, it was in my ability and not in my intentions. I did everything I oould, as the hon. gentleman had to admit, to make our trfiops as comfortable as possible, and to spare them every possible trouble that was in my ))owor. But ttio hon. gentleman went up to the front, and heoxprossod Irs opinion about the troops that wero thore. Ho has placed upon tho paper a notice of motion to produce his telegrams and bis loiters, and roally, I am very glad indeed to bo able to do so. But in order lo give him an avant goat of some of his telegrams, I wish to read one or two of them. Here is >ne dated Swift Current, 25th April, 1S86 : " Oarom,— Arrived here all right Pound Gen. Laurie perfect soldier. Advance of Hiddletun's troops too hurried ; consequence being immense useleas expense Volunteers should be used for garrison and protection of place and aroraunitiun. American scouts and Indiana aud hnlf-breedi doing the same kind of Cghting as rebels, should do the ti:,'hting and attacking. Part of .Middleton'a force exposed to be slaughteied. Troopi hearty. Rely upon 9th." So I did. Now here is another telegram dated at Calgary, Hlh May, 1885 : " t add, and I persist in saying, that this war should be made bv men fighting iu the aame vay as rebels. Volunteers are specially adapted for protection of foru and provisions." It had not come to my knowledge that the provisions were in danger, and, eo far as 1 can judge, they were well looked after by the volunteers. But it goes on to say : " Our volunteers are being slaughtered. 500 scouta are worth 1,000 volunteers tor actual fighting of that kind. Hen cheerful. (Signed) " Q. AMTOT. ' The hon. gentleman when h^ deemed it his duty to attack me, as he has a perfect right to do if he pleased, should not have forgotten that he himself had expressed an opinion as to what L had done for the troopn, and be should not have taunted me with' having attacked the 9th Battalion when within his own telegrams appears a judgment about our force that I cannot understand. Tho hon. member also at- tacked tho Major-Gonoral who commanded the forces. I will road lo the House a letter (with the (ienoral's permis- 10 ■iou) which tho hon. inembor uddroBMud to the Major-Gon- eral on tho oooaiiiuu of hiH boii g knighted It roiulH : I Translation. ] Quiiio, AufQlt Ktb, 1885. "Sir PRiDiBini D HiDDLiTON, K.O.U.O., OtUwa. " DiAit Sik,— I ihould likra written jou doouer to join In thr unani- moua concert uf coosratulatloni which yoti rccalvo from kll parti, hii> h pruloatred kbiience ^oin tho citjr prevuoted nin Your •lert.tion to tha koiglitbood li ouljr the juat recogDitlon of tho nerTleri which juu hare rannsred to th« Dominion orOannda, and the hunon which are bulowad upon 70a la retleo'.cd on all thusa whom you hare eneouraK>'d hf your roraonal bravery Kur«ljr guided by ynur eiptrienct*, an'l *ho have all Uriiely beaefittid from the acienof which yuu hare ac>iuitvd during an honorable niilltary career. " I deeply regret I hfi attack 1 of a mean and nialirioui preai aialDat 'our general, ' but your reputation itanda so high that these rooliah ilandera cannot reach It. " Allow ma to preieut, throngh you, my reipeotH to lady MIddlelon and belieTa me, "Your very daroted, G. AMYOT." Mr. RYKKKT. By whom is that letter sij^nod ? Sir ADOLPHE (!ARON. By tho h .n. uioinbcr for Belle- ohaeso (Mr. Amynt). So far bh thu Gonoral is cuuoornud it is no use ray oxproBsirg tin opinion whicii everyone who knoWH an\ thing about militHiy mattorH haH already ex- prcttt^ed, in rugurd to tho sorviccH he rondorod. In Knglaid Aod Ciinadii his ccrviceH have been jiiHtly np;>reoiated, and in any case it oomoH with very bad grace from the hon. member to have attacked the Major-troneriil after having exproHned in writing the opinion 1 hiivo read rei-peoting his BervicoM. Before concluding I detiire to cUar up one |>oint which hah been referrtxl to by sevorid hon. motnberH who have 8pokcn during thin debate. It haH been nlHlod hero that in conaequonce of Hiel having Hurrondorod, thettoveru- meut lihould have pardoned him. I Htato, iind i am prepar- ed to ((how. that Biol never Hurrondered at all. 1 read tirut a declaration made by the MajorCienerai himNolf. It is an important |)oinl tor hiHtory, and it has an iniportunt boat- ing on the question in debate, and it will be intorotttiug to hon. meinbertt to nee the interpretation which the Major- Goneral placoH upon a certain letter. The Mujor-Oeueral uya; "I onljr wrote onn letter to Riel, on the last d»j of Batoohe flghtlig, tslliug bim (In anawer to a letter from him brought by Mr. Aetley) that ' if he wjuld place bia women and children in sufi'ty, hd 1 lut uie know rrbere tLe place was, I w.iuld take care no ehiita were fijcd in that direction.' When Aatley brought me that letter hn told me Riel was In a "funk" and he thought he would surrender, and be asked me what teriua he could carry back to him. .My aniiver was, 'uucundi- tional surrender.' The second note from Rii'I, thftiikingme for my let- ter, was handed to me Just as we were forcing, under a heavy 6re, our way on to the clear ground about Uatocbe. Asiiey again told me tb tt be ibought Kiel would surrender, but I answered, ' too late now ; we are almoal there, and I must push on to save the prisoners. ' I did not tend the letter to Riel ufTering to protect him and his counoil until the ISth Hay (the day after the last day at Qatorhe), and I did so becanse a priest and a half-breed told me they knew, or thought they knew, where Riel was, and that im wonl'l give hirasclf up, but that he was afraid of being killed in my camp by some or ny men. I then wrote the letter aod gave it to the priest to take. Ho, howsrer, could not find Riel, but the balf-tireed did, aod ,]tave it to bim. Barly on the morning of the IKth, at Uunrdupuis Grossing, I received informntiua that Riel and Dumont were not many milea off, near the Birch Bills, and I sent off Major Boulton with bis mounted infantry, with ordtri to scour the cout.try lownrd: SstOvhe, which he did, and Riel, finding troops between hiiuseif and hatuche. gave himsel' np to the three (3) scouts, Hourie, Armtilrung aod Oiehl, who bad ■tarted with Boultoo, bnt left his detachment, and. apreading out, had oome across Rial, with my letter in his iiocktt. Oumoat, who was well mounted and knew the country, esrapea. "PRBD. MIODLSTON, Major-Oeneral." Oopy of latter sent to kiel alluded to above : "BAruOHi, UaylS, 188S. "Ml. RisL, — I am ready te receive you and your council, and to pro- tect yon nntil your case nas been decided upon by the UomlDion Qov- •rnment "PRSD. UIDDLBTON, Uajor-Ueneral, " Oommanding North-West Field Poroe." ' *" '"i Mso the declaration of the two aooutB who oaptored It is u foUowB : — ...... '1 •■ Canada, North-West Territories, To Wit; " Wa, William Dirhl and Robert Armstrong, if Prince Albert, in tba North- West Terrltorlea, do each of ua anleinnly declare : " t. Th»t during ihi' rebellion .f Imll'-lireeda and Indians which took place on the Hariktiti h<-wun in tl.<- spring of 1845, we were duly enrolled in the I'riiioe AiU'i I volu'ileer-^, and aervcd a^ Hooutu for and lu oonnee- tion witli naid I'oluiitier furie fui about two inontht " 3. Wi- have ii«h , it a«Jerted In certain portion/i of tha press In east- ern nanaila that Louis Riel, the rebel leader, did, after tha battle ot Batorhe. voluntarily surrender and gi.e hiuiaelf up to the autborltiai, and thai said Louis Riel iniiiht have easily eecaped IVuiu the country had he ao desired. " 3 We, together with )n6 Thomat Honri.i, were three of the Prince Albert voluut4'ere who took part in the searcli fur Louis Kiel and other rebels who took lllght alter tlnir di t.-ut al. tin- Imltle of llatoclii "4 We f'lrther distinctly state that w.<, tOKellier with th- nloMiaid Thomas Hourie, were the three aeouts who captured aaid Lo lis Riil aod handled him over to General Midilleton. At the time we iiiaiie thu aap- ture wo believed ami we auw ntfirm that said Louis Kii I bad no inten- tion if surrendering himself, but wns preparing lor a IniHly flight Ha was then looking fur a horsf^ and haa in Ins possiaaion a saddle and hridle, and was well armed. The two half-breeds in whose company w« found him (lliel) were also well armed. The slab ments before re- ferred to that Louis Riel voluntarily gave himself lip to us are entirely ■ ntriie." " And we severally make this solemn declaration ei>n«cientioualy be- lieving the »»• le to lie :rnH, and by virtue ot the Act pisseil in the ;i7th year of Her Uajealy h ivigii Intituled "An Act for the suppression of Volun- tary and axtra-Judicial Oaths." " WH. DIKIIL. "RdBT. AltMSTROKO. " .Severally declared before me at the town of] Prince Albert, In the North-West Territory, > this 2ath day of December, A.D. 188ft. ) " W. R. OONN, "A .Votary Public for the North-Wejt Ttrntoriei." The other aoout who waa also proaont when liu wari arrested, wan away from Prince Albert and hia decluiuiion could not bo obiuinod, but ho atnted to aevoral goniiomon whom I have soou ainco that ho viewed it in e.xuLtly thu aume light as thoMC did who mudo tho declaration. 1 Rhall alao road a portion of a very interesting letter wlii:d> appoart'd in the pa])ei'a trom Major fiouiton, than wbum thore ia no bettor authority so far as the history of tho campaign is eon- corned : "In discussing the ■|iiestlon with Aatley about the surrender, RIelsaid : There are three thiiga that will save me. One is |>uliilo9, another is that I have aiiumed the olHoe of priests and another is that the papers which are ail Leni will iiu|ilicat6 the council more than ine. " Un this occasion he » lahed to surrender and was nmsi anxious to gat safe'y into the General's hands. However, it was loo late, and in con- sequence he had to make his escape a: best he could. Astley, however, lept track o> him alter the day was won, and got a letter signed by tha General guaranteeing hia protection until handed over to the civil authorities. ITpon receiving tliia ho was most anxious to get safely into the Qeoetal's bauds and surrendered to Hourie." Now, 8ir, I think that upon that question the ovidonoe is 80 far aatialaciory that I do not aeo how it is poaaiblo to couaidor, under this evidence, that liiel surrendered and was in conaequonce entitled to any coueidoration from tho Gov- ernment. It waa my plcanuro, in beginning tBo low re- murks which I conaidorod it my duty to addroaa to the IIou»e, to congratulate the hon. inombyr for Quebec East upon the apooch ivhioh he dolivorod, and 1 exprosaod upon that point/ my honeat opinion with reference to that gentle- mail. But, Sir, I muat regret that hia eloquence, which I recoguiao, should have boon uaod in the defence of a rebel- lion against Canada. The hon. gentleman charged tho Gov- ernment with having, by its negligence, cauaod the rebel- lion. Well, Sir, thia charge I deny complotoly and toeto- tally, and I think any impartial man who takes tho trouble to read the record will oorae to tho conclusion that the Government are not liable to that cherge. In Pdre Andre's evidence there occurs tho iollowing :■'— " Q. Will you state if, since the arrival of the prisoner in the county np to the time of the rebellion, the Oovnmmont have made any favorabM answer to the demands aod claima of the half-breeds?— A. Yes, I know they hare acceded to certain demands in regard to those who did not bare any scrip In Manitoba. A telegram was sent on the 4tb of Haroh kut, granting the scrip. 11 " Q. Ii«rar« thai llm* '~A. Yei, regardini tbe itUeraUai of larTxj of lot! along the rlfvr, ibvrf wai iin aniwcr itom (lie Uovnfuuviit taj- ini tbvj wiiultl grant II, ami that wai an important iiiiattiun "Q. Wlmtiiueillon thbi, rtliiitineil tube •rttloilT -A. Th« (|UPitloa o( pRtitntA Ihoi tiaa Kl«i> liieii irttlpd In a certain way, t*taut» Mr. Diiok WM Hunt and I went with liiiu at latrrnrater. " Q. Wbat ulliiir >iuaitlon rtmiincd /— A . Olljr tbe qaaitloo of wood, linilier." Thi" ►hf>WH iliat n ii'li>f,'rniii was i)onimiiniPule">K lu uraui tlia rinliU uf the dalf Ineel^t, but there nan n>itliinir ^hhI ahoiit Rleri cUiiu. "1^. Did jDii hhciw lliv andwer to Kiel I— A. I thowed the replj I rs- oalred next Humlay. "(J. That WM In the iDDntli of— ?— A. Feliniary. " Q In tkii Imgliinlnn nt the month I— A. Vee. " Q. Wh«t did tht> pngDnir Bii) '' - A. Ilo HiitwiTod that It wan 400 jeaM that thii Kngliih had been rcil)hinK anil that it wai time to put a •top to it, Ihnt it had been ^oinK on long eaoiiKh.' Imiiiciiiiiloly (111 UHcurt'iiiiiiiic Uiitt tho M.otiH griovaricoH wore all ftoltlud, but ihitl h(> v/Of not I'oouiviii;;; the inmioy that ho wantod to ji^ot tVoin (iovoriiniunt, on thu 5iii Mairh ho do- tormiiiod to tiiko U|i ttriun, Lot uh hco again whul CimrloH Nolin MuyH on ihiH |ioiiil; "A The I risoiicr c ani« with Oahrici Uiimont to Bee nie. Mi' pro- fofli'd a plan to lue tlmt lie had written upon ii piece of paper. He BHid bat hi' hnd decidi d tl' lake up itriii.4 anil to in luce tbe puopl» In 'ukc op an. IK, itnd (he lirBt thinf; was to Hxhl fur the Khirjr of (lol, lor thu honor of religion nnd the niilvation ui our bouIi The piisoner siiid that he had alreailjr nine nhiues upon the pnper. and be aaki'il f.^r tny <.anie. I told biai that liin pUn waa not pertuct but Bincc he wiinteil tu U^ht for tbe love i.r OihI, 1 would propnbe a more perfuct plan My pliu wai to have puhllr prayerB In thu (Jittholic chnpel during niue 'liyd, ftnd to go to oonfediiiou and eomnualon and then to do ai unr cao- ■•iencea told uh." ThiH is tho maii who in hold up iim a hero and patriot. All ho wuiitod, UH is (jiiito Hp|>ari'iit, was to got money from the Govornmont. It ho could nucccod in ijetling that mouoy, wo woo what ho intondcd to do Willi it. On pago 94 wo tind ; " He anid also it' he got the uiuiiey lie would go to the I'uited fltates and Hart a puper and ralBO tho other nutlonalitiea In the SStates." Ho had alrondy organsod two robolli'itis, and after saori- iicitig the Motis ho wuntod lo got mmioy, which, he said, ho was going lo UHO in Iho United iSlntort lo raise up all the nationalitios and got up another revolution. Is it neyossury to give a stronger proof of llio wisdom of Ibe fJovornraout in not interfering with the sentonco of Iho law upon him ? " He Huid : Btfuro tho grass id that high in tho I'nuutry you Hill dee foreign anniod in this eouutrt. Ho eaiai I will coinaienco l.y destroy- ing Manitoba, and thuu I will uoine and destroy thuNortb-VV'edtand take poasedsiou of tbe Norih-Went." And, forsooth, wo are told thct wo .should have nhown mercy to this inun 1 ask any hon. gentloiimn who has road this evidence whillior ho .-howod much tnorcy lo tlie prisoners and tho puopio who happened (o bo under him 7 On page 44 wo tind : ■' He came to tbe door of the cellar, and tbe firdt worih I beard him uywaa. ' Astloy 1 Astleyl Oon:e hero and go tell .Middle inn if they— I think massacre was the word used— if they umsjacre our children and women and children, we will maasacre you priaoners. " Hero was this man, who had arrested these few prisoners on account of their loyalty to their country; on iiccounl of their refusing to join in his rebellion, saying that if any harm happened to any of his people (which harm could never have happened if it had not ueoii for his doings) ho would massacre all tho prisoners in tho cellar. Did he •how much mercy when no said to McKay what is reported on pages 18 and 19, "Report of Evidence in Riol'.s Trial ?" " He became very excited and got up and aaid ; ' tou don't know what we are after— it Is blood I blood I We want blood I It ia a war of •xtenuiaation I Ererybody that li agsinat ua Is to be driren out of the couulry. There were two <>uri«a in tbe rouutty, tha UoTeraoioat aitd tbe Uudaoa Hay Oompany.'" "t). Vra ''—A lie turned to me and aaid I waa a traitor tc b>a arms? Un pu^o III) wu nihd : "il What waa the chief eveul ut that day aa far hb you can reioam- berY-A. Um whs giving ordera to go aud lake Willmm I'jyer and OharleH Nolin prism. era. " IJ. Uid you hem hini jay why they were to be titken prisonor (--A Becawae ihi v wouM not tak( up armd "(j Did III' nay anything i.hoat tecauae they ha'* been uiuvera up to thattirai'7-A Recuude tliey bad been moveri, nud had left it at the hue of taking up anna. "Q. Waa Nolin tried r.. A. About hia trial I cannot aay exactly, I beard Kiel aayliig h' o.gbt to he shot or that they t'hould sli'jot him, "Q. You uii'ieraiood Nolin and Boyer were to be shot?— A. Yea, both ot them. "U. And lii'cauie they wiiiild not join the movement in taking up arini?- A. In nut taking up artna. " 1 was very nuieli jiloiL-od tho other evoning, and think the country is to bo congratulated up m the fact, that tho hon. loador of l)ui O|i)iosition in lhi< i'rovinco ol' Quebec ox- pi'O-.'ted hinisnlf so very loyally us ho did on that ocousioa. 'I'hnl hon. gonlioni'tn said that Tory loyalty w is very mtich intoro^tod indeed, and stated that when Lord I'lgiu sanc- tioned tlio Indoniiiity Bill, tho Tories beeamo disloyal unil figiied un appeal tor unnoxulion to tho United Siaios. Tho I'll! gontlomiiti, no dotitit, forgot to motitiori iho fact that thill very nianifoNlo — which was signed by e imo ('onsor- vativoH, I admit — was also signed by such mon ae. tho Hon. A. A. Dorioii, tho la*o Mr. l>oiitro, Mr. Papinoaii, Mr. La- flanime, Mr. Elolton, and other loaders of tho Liberal jiarty in tlio Provitioo of (iuoboc. No doubt, those who did not know the facts of the case would have been led to beliovo from Ihe hon, gentleman's .statement Ihat this manifosto ■was signed only by Couservutivos, and that i.ol a single Liberal loador would liavo consented to put his name to it. But tho hon. gontlof.ian knows that that manifosto was not signed by Sir (jeorge Curlior, tho loader of ihe Iiibersil- Consorvalivo party in tho Province of Ciuetwc, In speak- ing of Sir (feorgo Ciirtier, tho hon gentleman was most ulot^uout, and oKprossod great admiration for tbe lute lumontcd Sir (reorgo Elionno Uarlier ; but, Sir, when, unfortunately for the country. Sir George Cartior was removed from our mid^t, and from inat career ol usofulness which we Conservauves can never forget, and which wo every day still recall with pleasure, tho hon. gontlenmn must have forgotten that even then the Liberal press attacked the hon. gentleman fiercely, although now they c'aim him almost us one of their loaders, no must have forgotten the maiinor in which Liberals in this House and outside of this Eouso outraged him during his life, although thoy now attempt lo eulogiso him, as the hon. gentleman did tho other evening. If Sir Georgo Cartier were still among us, I moan to say, and I believe it, that ho would have acted exactly as wo have acted in referenco to the Kiel matter. During his lifetime was he not treated oxacll}' U8 wo ai'o treated to dity ? Did thoy rot say that he was sold to the Orangein(jn ? Did they not say that he sold tho Province of Quebec to John A. and the Proto-ttants of Ontario? Did thoy not say that he had sold his Pro- vince to English inf!iieuco '? Well, Sir, ho loved his country sufficiently well to attach no more import- ance than ho should have attached to such insults, which wore levelled against him as they are levelled aeainst us today. Sir George Cartier did his duty, and he loft behind him a memory which, oven after his death, has not been roopected by the Liberals. In the hlNtorr of tho Into Mr Lutollior. written by • mom. berof the OpjHwition, the hon. member for L* filet (Mr- Oaograin), the memory of Sir OuorKo (Jartior iit outraged ; ftnd when the hon. member from (iuebcc Kiut (Mr Laurior) wae HDCftkinK »' Sir George Cartior in miob el(innont termn, I oonfd not help thinking of tho H«d page whinh I read in tho boen DO lengthy ai.d imperfoot in my romarka ; but the ntatloni whioh I trento