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Lev diagrammes suivants illustrent la mdthode. 1 2 3 4 5 6 fiou$l^ of Commons Bebtites FOUKTH SESSION -SIXTH PARLIAMENT. SPEECHES OF HON. EDWARD BLAKE, M.P., ON MAIL CONTRACTS, &c. TUESDAY, MAY 12tii, 1890. Mr. T5LAKK. It would he cxtreiiioly iin.satis- factory if tlii^ tciiiporai'y .service were tn he less (^rtieient than it was a wiiile iigii uiiiler tlie arTaiif^e iiieiit hy whieh, 1 thiiik, tlic Vaiimiin r and an other .shij) alteruatcil witii the fa.ster siiips of the Allan Line, so that we leally goc tlie henetit nf the 1 test ships tliat were on this partieular \ i.age. Everyl'ddy knows lliiil tlie Allan ships aregcttinf,' more and nioie out of date, and slower, and we would 1)(! wo-.se oil' than ro.\ii)iating that speed for tlic whole voy- age, there is great disadvantage in a "iC knot ship. Such ,1 ship re(|Mires an enormous cNpendiluro of engine power ami fuel, she is very expensive to eiigii;e, she i.s very exjiensive lo run, relatively, and she has Imt very little relative capacity for freight carrying, hecause her model and her rei|uirements for storage of, coal art! such as dis- aliles hei' from extensive freiglii ciii lying. Slit is, therefore, an expensive ship to huihl, exiieii- si\v to engine, exjiensive to run, and not protilahh' to carry friught. She derives lu'r profits in carrying pas.sengers of the highest class, at the liest rate, and from carrying a certain liigli cla.s,« of expensive freight u]) to a limited tonnage. Now, if you cannot take tlie speed out of her, it is unpro lilahie to engage in the service a shi)> of that description, 'i'liere are two rea.sons why ] fear we ea.nnot i;\j)ect to take the speeil out of tlie ship. One is the climatic ditiicnlty. [ s]ioke a year or two ago' « ith one of the priii> ijial o\\ neis of the Dominion Line, ami he told me that the f.'iKtship ]'(iiic()iiri r, of which the l'"inaiue .Minister lia.s just spoken, had h(>en two constH'iitive whole years nmniiig. during wlueli she never had one ciiaiice.on eitiiei' the inward tate whether his attention at that time was directed to a vessel or a line of vessels of si veiiteen-knots i'a|)acity, or wlielhi'r lu^ pro)ioscd an average voyage of scveiitei'ii knots fr(>iii port to ])ort '.' Mr. liL.AKK. I think a seveiiteen-kiiot voyage is the highest you can talk of on your line. Mr. McN lOlliL. I think there is perhaps some little misajiprehensionon the jiart of the I'ommittce as to (he freight which is carried by these ocean greyhoumls. When the subject was u|t for discus- sion before, there v\cre a goe.' for Halifax (Mr. Kenny) early this Se.ssto;i to ascei'tain for icc^ what was the freight capacity of these vessels. 'I'he hon. geiille- inan''\\ rotp to tin; agents of some of the coinpiinies, and he sn|iplicd me with the informalion. 1 find tliiU in place of those ocean greyhounds not lieing able to ear' v mole freight thiiii (ilKI or 7'M) tons as suggested, tue Mitji.tlir and 'I'l iitoiiic are capable of carrying somi thing like '_',"''<» tons. Mr. McNI'^lLT.. The impres'-ion in i c House last session was that the ocean greyhiiuiiils were capa.ilc of carrying not more than .')(•() or (ilH) tons of frei,.;lit. It wa.s so stated broadly. Mr. I'lLAKK. It ilepends on the length ship. your Ql'KIIKC HAltnoK i.MIMtoVK.MKNTS. .Mr. m.AKK. The Mini.ster of I'ublic Works some time ago had his attention called by way of a (piestioii to the earlier jiortion of the intcresiing ,. revelations which are from time to lime eiiliveiiiiig ^ the page's of Lr Canndiiii. On that occasion the liou. Minister aeijiiiesced in the suggestion that it was projier to bring before the House such iiifor inatiiili as existed in the a. 'chives of the Dejiartmeiit in re.siieet to the tiers which are touched iijion unit alluiled ' n these earlier jiubliiations. 'fyicy become more interesting iu; they Jiroeeed. and this last batch of three letters, themselves oliviously left incomplete, themselves obviously, from their context, only parts of other corresiiondence, do ail'ord ample wiinant for that view of their iiieaning attached to them, by the hon. I'lember for North Mctoiia (Mr. Rarron) They lio not indeed iin]>Iieate the Ministir, and the .Minister has told us, .is we might exjiect and hope a Canad'aii" Minister would al- ways be able to tell a Canadian i'arliamciii . that he- knew iifithing whatever about it. Hut tniy have been public pro)jerty for several days, and 1 know- not whether any kind friend may not have antici- pated the e.'forls of my hon. friend the inemlter for North Victoria (Mr. I'.arron), to put the .Minister in pos.session of the fact that mieh ' letters had been published, at an earlier date. Although the Minister knew nothing about j the iimtter, I should have been glad to I know from him distinctly if the reading of I these letters by my hon. triend the member for I North Victdiiii (Mr. Hiuroii) Imppcnoil to lie tlu' first loiiiiiuiiiiciit ion fif tliefiict tliiUsiui'li It'ttcrs Iwul iitieii ])iil)lisli('ci tliHt Wiis rc('ci\r(i liy tlli^ lion. Miii- istnr. Jil iif\ss. it is said, gciu'ra'lly travels taut. I am siii'prisiil if tliin iiiforiiwitiun lias not; rcjuliocl llie iif)ii. Minister- .■urlier than the time at whieli hu reeeiveil it fr-oni the iijis of my hon. frienil tliis (hiy. If the infoinialinn luul heen re- '■eiveil, I hohl it was tlie MinisteiV duty at onee, for the lionor of Ins ht'parlment, to have- nia(h< a tiiorough en(|niry into tiie matter wldili liesol)\i',.nsiv at I lie sonn.e of tiiat i'ories|)(jn(len>c. I liohl it to he hi.s (hity, now that it is ealied to liis attention, to ph'dge liiniself to make that en(|niry. and moreover, to imlieate tile results to this Mouse. Jt is [lerfeetly plain t!iat, if tlie eorrespondiURe he gemnni', fcliis eolleaguc of ours, the hon. niemher for (.,>u('h(!e \N'est(Mri Me(«ri'e\y), was in atteml- anee hereat the time thatteiulers were to l)e('onsiil- ered for agreatpuhlie work to lie carried on in liisown eity ; that he wfis luM'e in attendanei^. not with tiii^ view of iiidteeting the p\dilic interest l>y seeing that the lowttsttenderersliouldget theiontliiet, l)utw itii the viewof aei(uiringliy illegitimate means, tliniugh some nntriistwortiiy and eorrupt otiieer of the De- pai-tment, early information, evi'n in iintiei).iitiou of the hon. Miuistoi's f)wn information as to tlie re- sults of the ealeiilations with lespeot to the, dillerent tenders, in ordt^r that a joli might he |)ut uji on the Departniert anil tlio puhlie, and that some lioeus- poeus Work might lie aeeomiilished with the tenders. Jt is elea; that in jmrsuanee of that scheme, an arrangement was made wheicby the moment the ealcnlatioas were run through, .Sir. Me»;reevy was to have access to them, or infcjrmation as to the results. It is clear that he !ic(|iiired, someii(A\ or other, in advance, information of the fact as to who were the lowest tenderers. It is clear that he imlieated to those with whom he veas conspiring against the jiulilic in* vest, and for the jirivate gain of tile film of Larkin, Connolly & Co., of wliicli his hiother iijipears to liave been a memher, and in w I; ise husiiiess the iioii. inemlier is rejiorted to ha\eheen interested, tlie jirojirii^ty of entering into sonii! arrangement witli a pei'son naiiRd lleaiicage, to wliom it was supposed tiie tender Would Ik al- lotted, lieeaiise his tender was believed to be tiie lowest, and tiiis before Mr. Hcaueage could know his Jiosition asatenderer. whelebyliis positionshould be •secureil for l.,arkin it Connolly. It is idear liy the i final letter tliat, just upon the eve of the allotment of tile tender, wlieii notice was about to lie given to < Mr. lieuncage and Mr. (iallagher that tiiey wimv tlie lowest tenderers, an arraimeliient was dii'fvted to find out some plan whereby - what ? That Larkin it Connolly iniglit be siilisti- lutiil in place of ,\lr. Ileaucage, who was the lowest tenderer? Xo. But that Mr. I>eaucage and Mr. (iallagher, who were tlu> lowest tenderers, ! might uitlidrav in some way, might indicate that some mistake hail been made by themselves or by the Department with respect to tlu'ir tenders, so that the higher tender of Larkin it Connolly miglit liecome the lowest and .so they might lie awarded the contract. Such a condition of things could have been etl'eetive only by meaiisof the complicity of some otiicer of the hon. Minister's Department. That it was so seems to be \ (■ry fairly indicated by the correspondeiicts and. therefore, even in these last hours of tht' Si ssion, I lail on tiie hon. Miuis- ti'r to !o ag.iin uilli respect to this new (lc\e!op- I ineiit, -IS lie agreed lo do with lespeet to the otiiei j development, to re;^ieat at the earlii'r-t moment his I pledge- that lie will make an enipiiry. and give us tlie result, so that we may not close iliis Ses-^ion Jwitli such an apparent stain resting on the lion. ' gentleman's Department as exiKts to-day. THF, LATK .M k. If UDspHTH, M.P. Mr. 15K.\Klv In the absence of my hon. friend, the leader of the Opposition, wlio has been called out of the HoiLse for a moment, I may say that, on this side of the House, we cordially I'oncur in every word that has fallen from the riglit lion, gentleman. 1 knew Mr Hndsjietli for a great many years, fie was a warm personal friend of mine from Ids youtli : he >vas, as the riglit hon. >;< ntleman has .said, one of the kindliest and most, lovabli' souls that ever breathed, and a man of the very liigliest instincts of honor. He w as one of thoso those who. in liis personal career, Ids profc.s,sioiiaI care(!r, and Ida political career, never, 1 believe, made an enemy, and who made friend,s Imtli among his adversaries ami .supporters wherever he went. He was one of those who very largely conduced lo soften the asperitie.-*, often too great, which occur ill the conr.se of our political antagonisms, and .serious as his loss is ro us in his other i'ai)aeitio8, ii is most serious to us in the other element to w liicli [ have i-eferrcd, and in w liicli he stood very high indeecl in the ranks of tliis I'ai liaiiieiu. IIAILW.W sunsiDiKs. (Tn the Committee.) Mr. Pd.,AKK. .\s the hon. gentleman has inti- mated lo us, that this is only the beginning aT!d not the end of this jiolicy, I think it would he well if he would say what 'he totul liability is that the country is expected to incur, in virtue of this Jiolicy. as resj)ects this railway? W'e have given a subsidy already. We are now askfMl to grant more, and tin- hon. gentleman says we will lie askeil again for another subsidy. Mr. I>L.\KK. 1 imdeistand the statement of the Kirst .Minister to be practically ;i pledge that the remainder of this road will lie aided as the eommencenient of it is aideil. It is. therefore, ne- ces.sary that we should know to what extent we are pledging our.selves. That being 'lon(.', I think theie may be an ad\ aiitage in adopting the plan which the hon. gentleman is now adopting. In times [last, the hon. gentleman has taken grants for a certain mileage, and the following .Session he has pi'oposed to apjily the gross sum which he had taken for the longer mileage to a shorter mihsige. It will be more diflieiilt for him to pursue that ini- (|tdtous plan under this .system, and, as he has done in the past, to double up the grants. If, theiefore, the hoii. gentleman states frankly to us, as he has done on tUrM: two items, w hat he intends to do, I think the adoption of tliis plan may prevent him from putting himself in the way of temptation. .M r. P.L.\ K 1']. I ob,ser\ e that the only paper the hon. gentleman has brought down in connci tion with this roaib though soiiu- coiuiiiiinieations 1 have receiA.'il have h'd me to belit>ve there are more |)apers is a memorandum signed by the hon. membi r for Dunda.iiMr. liickeyi on tiie 7th March, and iiiiol her signed liy M.'. .1. I'. Whitney i' his connection with it. Inasmuch as this formed one of tliose cast's to which I tiioiigliL tlie attention of Parliament and of the counhy ought to he directe.l, with reference to the connec- tion of nieinliers with .Huhsidised railway corpora- tions, I had occasion, as in thecasc'of the lion, mem- her for (aoncester (Mr. liiirns), hcfore the last general election, to hring under the notice of the Canadian |iuhlic the relations of the Imn. ini'iiiher for I)iiriilas to the former coiporation, ami 1 then used these words : v„ ? n charter t„r the Ottawii, WaiUiiiBton and Now Vork Hjiilwiiy ( oniinii.y was nbtainid hv n, KontU'inan iiidt in I'arlianiont) nameil Kc.-for, win. was the ("hief nroiiiotor aiul mainsiuiiiK ot the eiitdriirijic. It is the la.sliiiai to Kive value h, th.'si clwuters hy .sppuriiig publi.- sub.suly was telt to he iH.ccs.-aiy. Dr. 1] iokey, the iiieinhcr f..ViV. i ^." ■■•.■> ut ,.-,,,>. ,M. UK-Key, tneiiit'iiiDi^r t(irUuiKlas,wasa|)pri)aohwl.. He was piveii •■'oiiic .^tock • ^** ""' "" t at the hoaril; he was made Iho he was Kiv<'n a |.resi(h'nt ,vf the c.inpiuiy, ?ii thatVlieyiuiBht "obt'iiTn the prener poworto w,.rk the Koveniiiiental miiohliie, so as to produce a subsidy. . Dr. Hickey. M.R, pn'seiitint; the iiient.«ol Hlienle-pnsi! which boasted ,d' liis piesideiiev abetius w», t-asily obtained tVoui the (b.vermiient, ami voted by T^arliameiu By that n)< iin.s value was «iven i., the ohnrter; tor the .■hiirter bv iis,.|f .siuii.lv Kave iiiith<>n(v to build and work the" imkhI, and if'it had remained withiait a b<.nus. these who pnaimled it would liiivc Inul tetindpersciii,'^ who had e.infidenec choukIi in (be sclieme to K've money or bflckiiiK enough to build it. BUI wlien .■};r.,JK) a inile wa.« j:iy(.n as a tree Kiiint, of f'JTIf ', 1 , ."■' ""!'" ^?^" ^■"'"'' '"'hecnterpri.se, and was 11 great iKlilitiunal inducement In oapitalists (O enter upon *k1 ml.^'>r"'; f '"?■ ^1'^ V"; y;,""*'-' "'■ Morri.sburK to take *lU,(HJ(ol stock ol wlii>b .■ill.lMl was paid up. Tl,.. I'oni- pany didlnirdlynothuiKat all: tbe.-^l.fKKl diven in cash bv Morri.sburg would pay for all thi^v did. ]!u( tliev did not expect (0 do any work theniselvis. or to build the road fhemselvcs They simply exir.Med to .sidl out the etiarfer and the bonus at !i tfreat pn.lit to those who would build ll.e road. How , o I show that? Hy stating that the presiJont. Dr. Hickey, th' member for Diuida.«, nre- jiareil a proposal for some Xew York ■ aj.italists to .s,.|| tlie <'t)nrter in the form of coiitiaetin!; f ir the const ruction. „„„'!. ^'^■'■■^' fir"' •"•ovisioii ot this proposal wa.s that the company must have *bi,iKW paid to the orr. Hickoy, to pay | i.'2ik1 ultimo, in which voii use several .sti-ong I expressions in reference to certain statements made b,\' i me as to your C(Minection with a railw.ivcntcrpri.se whidi, j as 1 conceived, aficcted your independence as a member ; (d Parliament. 1 " Dill your letter admit the substantial iiccurac\ of my ' statciiicnts. 1 would be very ready to discuss with you anywhere their bearing and effect on vour positiiui iis a ' reiiresentativc of the people. "Hut.v.uideny thciraccuracy. Tt must, on refieetioii.be I obvious to you that a public meeting at whbdi we cannot compel the attendance and answer of witnesses, or the pniductioii oldociinients, or carry oii an cxaiiiinalion, attords perhaps the Icasi salisfactorv conceivable opnor- i """,,',1' '" «.'■' "' t.'"' 'ri'lh of disimled (arts. Jhere is another method, which, though not satisfac- , t.uy, IS at any rate bettor: and should you challrngc me lo emiuiry tiiere, I shall be ready to make a shitcment in the House (d (..(uumons, and to -niitiorl ii bv cvid>"Cc " I shjill 1„> vrry kIikJ Ibr yo\n siikp iiml Hint „f th.. f^v. ";7,:i'i;'iv".'''''' '"" '•"■"»''•'"«"'■ •« -'y i.'t'rur;.,ii!u ,.«sMm5;;:";,':!;i:; 'r':d;„';Hn;':;,";;;:v;:"7r'"''' ^ ""i Imi.i which I L^xtnmt, lUv. Im|1„wj„« .luu-u.s. r.',-i,limt,lJiarK.s K. Ilirkcv, (.. |.iiy Ih.ikN anil ..Uicr nut ,Mnti.rl,.,o with fiiii ml iirmn^.m.'nl-. ; ,,r, w,' will ,111,1 (mrHi'lyy. t„Kivo you u liuij„rily „„ all t,i,„„.v „i,t - lavs, r. sptrtiMM; Mj>. ,;.,„-;tna(i„M ,,1 thu ,„ad ai>,l l,ri.|V"- Whmi tho i,.a,t isl.uilt this iniiy lapso ilMcsir ,1 MoI.«,,m:s liank iHTo at oiir joint cMi-.lit, as a In., r n, ',' ,f n.ttii-thc.Mi;niiiic„l „i,r ii(,Mvi nt, an,l whi.'h mmm v'll ;<• yrluttc.l t,.lh.. ,,r«.i, j.nl an,i l,„anl of .linvt'.r" n I . 1 .lino »1 he t.reM,lcn(. Charles E. Hiekey, when the ou - lln.ko: ^"'^ '■"'"■'= ^^'^■^"'- "^^'J"" "'"' "'« .u'.'i! ^i\^'' ''^'" •''*■" '^" ""' ''"'"•' ••""' b"mi.-es. .melher wit all bo.uises we m.iy Ket I.ereafte.-ihe Moek tak,-,. by I.evilaLteul M,,„i,|,,,,.K W|,i,.,, i, ,„ Uo ,nii^i »(> \ le.lvln«*fe,!i;^;:;:"''- '"'^""' ''™" .-'"bcr^n. «.,Ji! '!'■ W' "'"'" "• 'if"'"'"' '"""IS ill bonds of first issue or nerved ;u,!lp;:;J:';iir'""'"'' "^ '"" ^"-"l.tonaburex. ....'IV,!',''-'''?-' '^ '"■ " ':'•"''"'■'("' H'luer, with whi,>h yon had o oonneetion, you will .ee that, it onntains the sulista.iee •L. Ivf,'"'/'.. ' '"■'■ •"'"■"■""'•I'ts whieh you soeiii most "I believe it to be Kciiuine. " I am yours, A-e., " C„AU,.Ks E. HtcKKv, Al.I'., " ''''''■''''' '^L^^^'«- " MorrisburK." 1 siib.se,|,uuiily iHvaniis an tii,. Iir,n. ^ciitleiiKiu i« iWHiv |)..H.s,..-,,se,l <,f tliu ofigiiml <,f tli.u ,l„(imieiil sigiu;,! l,y liliihself. At a siili.sciiii.iit i),.|i,„l, as aplieais l,y ilocuiiii'iitM wlii<'li liavf laniiiio j.iililic ami v\ hirJi were Inuiight hetofe tiu- otlicr Lfiilieli .,f i t le [.ogislatuie. till' iKirtios wlio w.r. coii,.,ciii»!,l in I tlu-s inalter, iii,:lii,liiig tlic Imii. fe'uiitlunuui, lioKi ai iiieetiiig. I lie iniiiutes, of tJie iiieethig are these : thl ?" ^''f ^T';i''nK f 1' t he nth .June. \m]. at a meeting bo hoard ho Otj.iwa, Waddinirton and New \',„u K.iilw,'.v and liridKe (Joumaiiy heUI at ilorrisburg, the I', llowing; resolution wad piis.sed;— "' nth .Juno, WSi;. Tl," ' ',1 '^''''^ ,''> fia Mororim, seconde,! by Neil Melntvre, 1 lilt the undermentioned shari'S of the eapital stock of he dltawa, \Vad-lin«l„n ami New York Kailwav and I. idKe tomi.aii.v, be given to the direelors for reavoii, as follows; 'lo\V. ,S, rarmaii. '21X1 Miare- • to Neil Me- ni'/ii";>,.-!'"i "'""■'■'/ V; '•■',MovgaM.2tiU shares: to ci.iis. ' • - ,Vi '".'"'■' • 'V. *• •-'• • ■'i-f''>'- 200 shares ; to Ohas, E. IIieKey, (itM) shares. " Fiiiii-'V, :iOth Jiily.WSG. "The I?,mrd ,nnt this ,biy nt Morrishurg, when the re- aml ado'ited '''" ""'"^''""f, 'Itb .June, were read over ,.„ , " -ft h October, lfW6. llttllHa, a» . iiiu., ,-, rcpolutloii of lllh ,liiiie hef. rn «, ferriMl to, stood the ««„,« i,, the book iis i/riKlLlly.'' '" .,,n,. . ., , "21st October, i88t). for ft,,,'* " ' ''"/ ','' '!"' """""' in>'i"i'.? of Kioekhiijders lor the ,.ur|,oseo electmga new board ,,l ,lir.,el,,rs ("r the en uing year. The s,ii,l meeting wiis ealle, |'„r ,' , VI, ek uiiiii J 11.111. , then met again : no business of in,,,,. rtaiwi. be oretfiem. I l,,„k,.,i ,„..rih,. minute book ,7| , mj that 11.1 altera i..n h;„lbii.n madchiringlhe inl.'r . ,, r.,s,,ut,,,n,. the nth. Iiiio.giviiigthesto,.^; .'.:.'; ■ s„r ngoul tl>,. w„r,l' reason '.I.,,.! inserting ■services ,s .11 laud 111, stock.' I al .,1 tol,l 111,. b„,,i,| I r,' I 1 at, ,1 the Ininwi.-lion, and woiibl slates iblici • i tliOKBri,.ri ■i.eeU.ig, whi.h [,|i,l, cx,,h,i„i,„ ..ll lli,M;h.Vv, crreum"' S^:::;7:.'::'•;^;*?l;.^l;:■^« ''♦-'''''•'-• -^^ ■'■'-' -0 1 1 tiilieve it VN an what the right h..n. geiitienmii eall.,! the lUle family (litlieiiUie.M that liail ari.xcn in ,e- gunl to these liaii.sa.tions. which I now hriiu' I), lore the attention of the ( 'oininitti'e, that re.MiiHe.l 111 the foiMiati.in ,,f the I w,i rival l„,,ir,ls of ,liieetors, uiiil the attemlaiit .■iMiiinotioii aii.l ..•onlli.t. whieh' o| course, woiihl thwart th,. ettort.sof aiiv i-arty iin.i 'IllillliiM, 111.. I'lialK-es of HU,Te».s. 1 have ,,iily to say thiit I have taken thi.s opiiortiinitv, when for the hr.st time, .since th(. |M.rio,| to which I ulhitle.l, a new ]iro|.o.sitioii is l.eiiig nm.le by the (iovern- itu'iit t.. oraiit ;i siili,si.ly to thi.s eomnanv, iukI Ihut at th,. iiiHtaiice of the In.n. memher for l>tin,lus(.Mr. Hickey), to lay before tli.^ Ffouse tliese taet.s, the fa.t.s whieh I stated in the speech wiiieh 1 have read, tlm proof of which fa.ts are in the clau.s,;s of the do,tiiii,nt.s wliich I liave jiiKt rc-a,l, whieli I myself ali.stiactcl from the tol,clicd merely ill Iriist. Vhis I eoiiM not nn,ler- Maii,l,e,,iisidering we hohl ev,.rytlii,>K in tru.sl a.-: .lirec roi> aiei It wiLs noi ,,nly unnooi.ssary to ad<>|it such a re- soliitmn, but irregular ami hauduleiit." Ml'. l!r..\KK. Vnu take a great ,leal of unne- lessary troiilih., Mr. ('haiiiiian, becuu.se we all know that if you acted rigonuish' ,in tlie rules whicli y,m apply to some luni. gentlemen, yon woiibl strik(, tlie hoii. member .lunib, becaii.se lie could not sjieak at all if he ,li,l not u.sc these plirasoa. I'lie lion, gentleman has tieen good einuigh to reacl one of my U. Iters in wliiili I expri.sscl my ,, pinion of the only effect that abusive epithets have, and lo whom alone they arc injurious. [ have long entertained that opinion, wlii.'h I have t.xi.ressed biifore, ami which J lejicat t,i iiigiit ; it happily leavi.s me in a coinlition of .ibsolute e..|iiai.iinity unilerth(. a, Iminist ration of those epitliets both by letter a.ii,l by word ,)f mouth. He ha.s talkcl of my lieing guilty of vituperati,)n. .\11 1 ,liil wa.s to reml t,> you a statement which I ma, I,. s,)iiie years ago wlii,.h is, : believe, abs,(lutt.;y true, iuiil' a letter whi.h 1 wrote to the lion, gentleman in response lo ail offensive communication of his, .\ hicli Icttir also r b.dieve i.s absolutely true. It s(.ems from what tl.e li,,ii. tietilh.man has .sai.i, ami iie isc,)|-r,iboi-atetl by till. Miiiist(.rof Custom.s, 1 think, that 1 u-sed tin 6 wonl "signed" wlirii I n|t(ikt' of tlii» 'iicuini'iit. I ! liiivi- iilniiily fX[iliiiiii'il that wluit I iiifiml to wiy j wan Unit it wiis in tlic IiuikIw i itiiij,' i)f llit,' Imii. noii • tlviiilill. 1 iini |ii r.sdiiiilly kiinw the Imlnlwi'itiiig ' (if tlie lion. K'"'l'''i"i"' ''"' "!iash, tor the si'vcii proinutors ol tlio roiiil.lnr lidior ux- |icMili!il mill Koiid-wiil." That was really the clause of the elaiises ; mid the hon. Kt''"ll"'i"i" ''•'-'' ""'' ^^'''' ''•'^ ulisolute cer- tainty that lie is aide to make the stateiiients of ;liat docunieiit consistent with pi-opiiety he has not even allliiled to that clause at all. 1 do not wish to .say aiijdiin^' more upon this .s'diject. I have thoiight lit, at the earliest oppoitunity I tliouj,dit |)ioper, to liiin-j; this up. I did not, as the lion, ^'entleinan assumed, say in my letter to the lion. j!entlenian that 1 would luing it up in I'arliament. I 'told him that if he chaili^nged me in I'ailiaineiit, I would answer him. He says iheie were earlier opportunities, that there were earlier .Sessions in one of which I was not luire, anil in another of wliicii J was not aide to act when he pid|)ounded Hills for the iin'orjioiatioii of coiii- paiiies. These did not create a piildic I'elation hetween him and tlu^ (iovernmeiit and rarliainent of this country on accoinit of his intcicsi in the siilisidv. The sulisidy at that time helonjicd to the other corporation, and 1 did not conceive that such relation was created, or w as proposed to lie created, till the hon. gentleman heitaine a promoter of the application for this suhsidy, and thus liecame once more in\olved in that relation to the (Jovernnient and the rarliainent of this cinmtry, whiidi 1 con- ceived, having regard to his jiersoiial relation to the atlairs of the railway company, was a rejire- heiisilile relation, which ought not to subsist. U|)on a.scertaining that, and tinding that the hon. gentleman «as ])idmoting a new enterprise, and asking for the old sulmidy, it seemed to me tiiat it was lifting I should aeciuainl the ffoiise and the country with the state of facts, which I have 'nought forward in the extracts from my speech, and in the letter which I have read, and tlieae lire not denied. Mr. CHAl'LK.VU. Jt is t'.e ordinary clause. Mr. lll.AKK. No, it is not the principle upon which these sulisidies arc given at all. It is a clansi' which is sometiiaes introduced into aids gixeii to railway companies, lint the priiuiple on which the sulisidies are given is a mileage clause ; no matter what the difiiciilty of the work may l» , so much .1 n ile is gi\ en. That is the ordinary prin- ciple. Mr. ('HAl'LKAl'. No. Mr. FUy.AKIv \\'hy, then, do wctind a .special provision here, liei aiise all the ditference then would lie that, instead of paj ing liy sections of ten miles, we \Miuld pay liy the sections given here. Iftluitis what i.s intended, there i.s no iie'.:il for this closing paiagraph. ,sir .lOli:^' A. MACDONAIJ). The whole aiiiount (if the siilisidy is :#.'>, lOI per mile. This road jmsses through a M'ly hrokeii country, ho that some sect ions w ill cost much inore than others. Oiir section may cost .'ji.'i.lNHI and anotliei only .'?'_', (KNI per mile. There would, therefore, he sittlicient kept hack from the less ditlieult sections fol tli-e purpose of adding to the assistance given the more ditlieult ones. Mr. IIL.VKK. That I iindersland, and that i. sp('cial, and not as the Secretary of Stale says, tin oidinary arraiig(.'ment. Mr. CHAPLKAU. This in the ordinary dauBc. except that it is not liy sections of ten inileH. The ordinary clause provides for payment hy s('etions of ten miles ; Imt in this ca.se eaeli section will lie paiil for, per s(!ction of ten miles, according to the proportion of value of those ton miles to the whole work undertaken. Mr. I'.l.AKK. No. Mr. CIIAIM.KAIJ. My hon. friend may say no, hut I say yes. If my hon. friend will look at the end of all these resolutions, he will lind exactly the .sanu.' jirovisioii for each ten miles as for each of these seitions. I may tell my lion, friend that the ilitHcultpaitof thisroadislietw ecu the twentieth and thirtieth mile. This resolution has not lieen inad(! in this form on piiriiosi! to draw snl sidies for oni! section more than fi^r another ; hut it has lieeii so divided liecause the Canadian l'n*;itic Railway, in making the agreement which has lieeii ratified liy this I'iirliament, said thi^y would gna rantce a loan of . can be no objection at all to a proiiortionate (ixiienditurc, yet that necessarily involves a very careful iiistru mental survey and estimate right iiji to the end ol the whole seventy miles, as otheiwi.se the subsidy may be found to coiin^ very shori inileed. There may be but a perfunctory examination ami valuation ; the ditlieult sections may a))]iear to be those which have first to be grajipled with, as the ] ditiiculties which have to be met a year or twd later I may a|ipeiir less than those which are nearest. I So it is absolutidy necessary, if that is to be done, particularly when the subsidy aj)peais to lii' larger i ill jiroportion to the whole coat of the work than ; is usual, that the examination iind survey should I be ci«in]iletc and that we stiould liav(! an ac(;ount of how many more rivers we have to cross. .So 1 think it is desirable that we should know tlic ditiiculties which may occur. There is another vole later on for the t,Jucbec and Lake .St. .lohii Railway. We havi; already given a largo subsi.l> to that i-cilway, but it is not the Secretary nl' State who tak(^s a paternal interest in that, bic the .Miiiisl('r of .Militia, and liistiiin will conic :\ \ 1 Hcc that ill tliat t'diiiiciiiDii wti iirc to liciittkcil lo \(>U; a Mulii for a liriilL'f, v\liii;li \k Hoiiu'lhiiii^ alt«>)ni'llu^r new. I Hiiiiplv liiriitinii thiM to hIihw tliivt it in iiiipiirtant tiuti vm> nIiiiuIiI hoo tliat we iirt! not It'll iiitci fuitlu'r rxpciulitureR than i'arliu- iiifiit fxjR'ctM to grant. Mr. HLAKK. I havt no ilouht that that portion of Nova .Scotia to whii'h tliin ifnoiiitioii rcfiMM, in (rinimon witii certain otl'tir porlionn w hii li have rr- 1 oivx'il as.'iiHtanit^ at \ aiionw late .Stss.sionn, ha.t iici'ii viry inurli ncgkctcil, am! it.i proj;if.^rt rctanh'ij foi' thi! want of railway connrnniiLiilion. I think it in Ji'cply t>i l»t! rcKrcttcMl in llii' interest of Ylie whole I'l'ovinueof \o\aSeot ia that what I nni.Ht call the prof - ligat«^ lailway expenditure wliiili Iium taken place in other partM of that l'ro\ incc, «hoiil'(^ 1 think we would havt; found jjlenty of money, on the general pi'inci))le.s which we have applied in aiding railways for local purposes in Nova Seotia, to do cverytliing that ought toj^have been (lone. To the riivernoss iiiiil KicliiiKuid Hallway ("ompHiiy, for ■)() milos ulthcir riiilwii.v trom Port Mi-wkeshary to liroad Cove, a sut>sidy not ixoi'eJing jil.lMXt |)er inile, nor eioocU- iuK ill the wholo .'!;.")l),0()0. Sir JOHN THOMPSON. This is a line of rail- way running on the northern siile of the Island of ( ape llreLoii. It wa.s fully (li.scusse mile, in aihlition to which it receives a provincial sulmidy of .y^'JlK) |»er mile, and expects to receive a innm cipal sul.sidy as well. The line as authorised hy the Provincial Legislature, extemis hejond that to the northern point of tlii! Island, liut the construc- tion there is altogether piohhniatical, ami unlikuly to take place for inanv years to come. It likewiHe iiadndes a liraiuh from Uroad Cove to (iriind Narrows, whic^h porti!|(K),(HM(. Sir JOHN TIIO.MP.SOX. The agreement pro vides that the County of Inverness shall give not le.s.s than ••*.")(),(H«l spread over these Hfty u\i\v». Mr. |{L.\KK. That i.-< >t,(HI(l per mile; then there is tiiis .•*;!, -JIIO per mile outside of the Provin- cial sulisidy. Has the lion. Minister of Justice .satislied iiimself itasonahly that the .scheme of the comiiany can he carriiMl out a.s regards the Hfty miles for )?,"), '_'()() per mile '! Sir JOHN THO.MPSON. I have, toa reasontvblo extent. The .satisfaction I have hail on that jioiiit is to thi.s extt^nt : The company, while pressing very strongly its claims for suhsidies on the DoniMiion and the Provincial (ioverninent, iictuiuly went to work and huii' and giadcd .i eon.siderahle mileage without havi.ig any contract with the (Jovcrnment, and they have spent a vt'iy eon.sider- ahle MUin of money. I think they have giaded ahout twenty-live miles. They have, miucover, .■nti'rcd into contracts for a large sup|ily of ties and so on. The |)arlies nuiKing the advaneevS are capitalists, vvliose means I am assureii of ; hut, in addition, the ci'iii|)any have secured the as.sistance of capitalists in the Prov iiice, w!io have |)laeed a considei'alile sum in the ci terjirisc, and they have done so witiiout any assiiramx! that it will receive even the oidinary suhsidy. .Although the jiortion of the district throiigii which the r.iilway runs is not a \ cry populous one, it.s indications of .strong support from persons connected with that ]),ii't of the country, some of them aie my per.sonal frieud^i. iiulii.'ate to me that the coniimuv has more 8 liiirkinx tliiiii I vviiiilil hiivc uxiHtUMt it, it* a now t^iiU'ipriHc of tliid kiriil. 'I'hc crtnipiiiiy Iiiih (joiic fiii'\N :ii il III ilicii.-ik of no .'ltd iKihiK f^ivt'U. I ilo IIOlwir.■(, ■JIH) a mile. Unt we on this side of the House knew that it had received only ;5l,(iO() i mile, and we knew the rea.'-on why. It was hecau.se this road was huilt and running when the system of suhsidies was invented, and the amoiiiit of S;l,(MH) was to repair it. It was not to hnild the road ; lint it wa.s so hadly huilt or was .soold.or thecompiiny iiad managed ic.sohaiUy, that till! road had got worn out, and to repair it and make it as good as new, the lion, gentleman made that, giant. This time the company are not to he trusted ; hnt we all know that the (lovernment are to he trusted; they never make extra vagant vxpenscs ; they are eeonomical ; and .so the hon. gentli.'inan giv es ns to understand that this eeonoin- ieal and wise ( iovernment will take charge of the' expendituri^ of this money. Hut what sceiirity h.vve we that the roail wil! he l:e{it in repair after j that'/ First, the company luiilt the road ; then they ran it down ; we snhscrihed .'SI,(1; ..imc tniilt, ciHilil iHit III' ki'|(i ;.|i«;n. hikI Ikuv iiftfrl.iiviiiK lu'i'ii niui' re,)niriM!, it rc.iilil mil he ki'jit viition. It Ih iKii II Miihsjily t(i hiiilil ii niilwuv "i to rrpiiiiMi iiiilvMiy ; it in ii Niih.sidy with i efiTViiro t 'iiiinion reve- I nues to make good its loss on ih.it operation. The ' Dominion paid the loss to the I'rovinee of (^uehec, or so miieli as it was thouglil (;i|uHalile to pay, in < respect of the whole line which had leeli .sohl : ; the Canadian I'acitic Hiiilway had acipiiued it, 1 and 1 tlioiighl we were quit of'it. Then the j'oii. : tiac I'ai ilic asked for leave to ac I'oniiiany, sncli ainnial rinlii-iily for Iwinty year.s ri'prcsenlint,' a Krant in la..*!! of .^'ii.S.IKHl. .Mr. lili.AK K. Was the suhsidy lormerly grant- ed otherwise than in this sliajH'? .Sir JOH.V A. MA( DOXAI.K. Always, with the guarantee and all. Ml-. r.L.AKK. I suppose wc do not guarantee the honds until ciin.-itriiition. .Sir.lOHN" A. ■M.XClUtNAI.I). The hon. gentle- man will SCI that the conditions are set forth in the lattei part of these re.soliitii:ns. 10 To tho QiiclnM- unci Lake Rt. John Rjiilwny Company, for | ariiilwiiv tridRtM.vortlU! St. Chillies Kivcr, to privi- accoss j to tho t'itv ofQu.Oioe. ii subsuly not to cxweil in tlin whole *;in,(KX); also for 12 miles of thti!- 'Milwiiy trom Loi-ctte ri'.i Chiirlesliourg. to Qnelioc. a snlisic y not f\- cccdini? ,*.S,200 per mil-', nor ox. reding in thf whole Sir JOHN A. MACDONAI-IV 'I'Ims! i-oa.l now eoiiiierts wiMi tlif ("auailiaii I'iioiiio I^.ulwiiy alimit j five miles .)ut of l^ieht-c ; tlicy ii"V.; fouiiil it a j roumlabout way of leacJiiiiK Ci'iu-liec, ami the liii(! j lias to (iucountui- a ^■ery heavy grade. Mr. BLAKE. What is the estimated cost of the liriilge ■; r ADOLl'HKCAROX. Ui.wai.lsof .*2tK).t«<>0. It i.s u very lai'ge hridgc, eiossiiig the River St. Charles opposite the gas works. Mr. 15LAKK. What is Uie estimated cost of the I "2 miles of tlie road ? Sir ADOLPHE CAROX'. Tt is an expensive piece of road. [ have not got the estimate, hut the right of way is very expeni-'V.;, as it comes (low n through one of the best no- i.»is of the cimu- try. .Some of the grades are heavy. Mr. Br,.\KE. We all know that it would cost more than i^S.-itM) a mile. That is a lieavy piece of roail, the right of way is going to he expensive, it is going to include'he termini. So this will amount to !J240,(MH) for the railway and. ¥2t»0,(HMtfortlicliridge, or .•i;44(),(MH), to which "must he adihd .■?(>( »,i H «> for iiickiiigs, which is very moderate in that, locality, or 111 all half a millioii dollars, lint the roail has already access to the city of t^uehec over the Caiia diaii Pacific Railway, aiid it is thus proposed to .spend half a millio'n dollars to give tiie.ii better facilities for entering the city. I think that tins pro))osed grant could be ver-y much better ex [lended. To the St. .T'hn Valley mil Kivi&rc dn Lonp Tlnilwnj; Comimiiy, for L'2 mile? oi' their riiilwiiy from lln^ villiiKe ot Prince Williiiin towards tho town of Woodstock, in lieu of the subsidy (jranted by the Aet 50-51 \ u-toria, ch.'inter 04, a ■ absidy not exccedinK *3,2(K)per mile, nor exceedur: in the whole $70,400. Mr. RLAIvK. But the hon. gentleman must re- member that, although the First Minister may de- siie to calm the perturbed feelings of the hon. member for Albert (Mr. Wehhni), tlie First Minis- ter is going to throw the whole community into a state of agitation, for tlie hon. gentleman has already stud tlu'-t the Intercolonial was burden enough for this country to beat-, and that he had no idea of taking ovei the branches. INDIAN Ar)^^\NCEMENT ACT. Mr. BLAK''!. 1 wish to remark on only one .'H'ctioii of this Bill, that is, section 0, ff I under- stood the Minister aright, he says it is introilueed at tin; reiiiiest of some i;oiincil ol tlie Indians ; but I do not think even that circMinslame, extraor- dinary as it is, is a justification for the introduc- tion of this piovision 'n the Statute book of Canada. That section [ .jvides for the punishment by imprisonini'iit of any Indian proved guilty of deserting his or her fainily, wife or husbaml, as the case may b(\ without just cause, or of living in eoucubinage. I do not see on w hat piiuciple wecaii undertake to apply very mucli more severe' penal- ties, or a higher standard of morality to Indians, than we ])ropose to enfoice among the white po]Ui- litioii of this country. Y(ui say the Indians are less ailvaiiceil than we are, that they occupy a lowei jKisition in morality, that .some of them are pagans, that the Christianity of .some of tlieiii is not as iiigh as we boast our own to be ; they are to be guarded carefully ; but then w liy in the worhl should yini propose to enforce, liy the criminal law, the.se provisi(Uis against them when you do not in the same way enforce such provisions against whites ? On section 1 1 , Mr. BI.AKE. The words "an Indian on the reserve " vvouhl mean an Indian who lives on a reserve. Mr. I'ATERSON (Brant). This will be cir- cumsciibing their liberty very much. You would not be allowed to go on a reserve and have any dealings with the Indians, not even to sell to them for cash. Mr. DEWDXKN'. This is to juovent traders from starting stores on a reserve without consent. Mr. PATKHSON (Brant). In ab.solutely forbid- ding any trading on a reserve, you would prevent Indian.s' engaging in perfectly 'egitiiuate dealings. This, of o.ur.se, applies to all fciie bands. Take the reserve in my riiling, where the Indians are ad- vanced. They engage in buying horses and cattle, and if they should do so on the reserve it wouhl be illegal. Mr. BLAKE. You had better apply your law to the locality in which the mischief arises and not anywhere else. Mr. McNeill. Vei'y often traders bring liquor with them on to the reserve to .sell to the Indians. In liiy constituency the Indian agents have complaincil of men coming on the reser\e to trade but really to sell litjuor. Mr. BLAKE. Better amend the clause by making this portion refer only to Manitoba and the North- West. OTTAWA :— Printed by Bkown Ciiambehlin, Printer to the Queen's Most Excellent Mtijesty. Z^£^'