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REPORT 
 
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 AN INVESTIGATIOK 
 
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 THE TRUSTEES 
 
 OF THE 
 
 TORONTO GENERAL HOSPITAL, 
 
 INTO CERTAIN CHARGES AGAINST THE MANAGEMENT OF 
 
 THAT INSTITUTION. 
 
 TORONTO: 
 FEUITBD AI THB OLOBB BOOK AND JOB OFFIOB, 22, KINO 8TBBKT WEST. 
 
 1855. 
 
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 INTEODUCTIOX. 
 
 In consequence of certain grave charges having been 
 preferred in regard to the management and general appear- 
 ance of the Toronto General Hospital, in a letter published 
 in the Colonist of the 24th of March, 1855, and signed " A 
 Medical Student," the Trustees of that Institution resolved 
 at a meeting held on the 27th of the same month, " that in 
 order to give the party assailing the management of the 
 Hospital, an opportunity of establishing his allegations, they 
 would hold a meeting on the 29th of March, at 12 o'clock 
 noon." To this meeting the attending Physicians of the In- 
 stitution,as well as members of the profession throughout the 
 city wer« invited. The paper in which the announcement was 
 made, contained a letter from the trustees, signed by Mr. 
 Brent, the Secretary of the Board, expressing the great 
 indignation with which they had read the false and calum- 
 nious statement of the management of the Institution, over 
 the signature of "A Medical Student"; and also a letter 
 signed Veritas, and endorsed by nineteen Students 
 whose names were given in full ; characterizing the letter 
 of " Medical Student" as a tissue of untruths. 
 
 On the morning of the 29th, the Board room of the Hospi- 
 tal was crowded, chiefly by students and professional 
 
iv. 
 
 gentlemen, and the trustees commenced an investigation, 
 
 which lasted during that and the two following days. 
 
 The trustees present were Hon. Dr. Widmer, James Beaty, 
 
 Esq., and J. G. Bowes, Esq., M. P. P. The following re- 
 port of the three days' examination which ensued, appeared 
 
 t«ubstantially in tlie cohimns of the Globe and the Colonist ni 
 the time. The third day's proceedings were somewhat 
 condensed, but enough was then given to present tlu; case 
 fully before the public and more than is usually given in a 
 newspaper re-port of sucli an enquiry. In revising that 
 report, however, for publication in another form, I have 
 given in extenso certain portions of the proceedings, which 
 I, at that time,considered unnecessary to a correct under- 
 standing of the question, and have supplied in full, the 
 letters which were then merely referred to. As a chron- 
 icler simply, of the statements publicly made before the 
 trustees, it would be altogether unprofessional to ofler one 
 single remark here, either in regard to the manner in which 
 that enquiry was proceeded with, or to the amount of evi- 
 dence adduced to substantiate the charges made against 
 tiie Institution. These matters the public will, by a peru- 
 sal of this more ample report, determine for themselves, 
 if they have not already done so. I therefore submit it 
 with all respect, as a faithful record of that memorable 
 three days' investigation, 
 
 G. P. URE. 
 
 ■J 
 
EEPORT. 
 
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 Toronto, TnuRSDAT, 29Tn March, 1855. 
 
 A public tncoting was held thla day in the Board room of the Toronto 
 General Iloppitul, to consider and examine into certain charges against the 
 trustees, resident surgeon, and domestics of that Institution, made in a letter 
 published in the Colonist of the 24th March inst., and signed " a Medical 
 Student." Hon. Dr. Widmcr, James Beaty, Esq., and J. G. Bowes, Esq., 
 three of the trustees, were present. At a previous meeting the trustees had 
 instructed their Secretary, J. W. Brent, Esq., to reply to the letter of '• a 
 Medical Student," and to express their great indignation at the false and 
 calumnious statements therein contained. They also resolved that, in order 
 to- give the party assailing the management of the Hospital an oppor- 
 tunity of establishing his allegations, they would hold a meeting in tho 
 Hospital at noon on the 29th March, to which meeting the attending physi- 
 cians of the Institution, as well as the members of the profession throughout 
 the city, Averc invited. The Board room was consequently crowded, princi- 
 pally by students and professional gentlemen. 
 
 Some general remarks having been made amongst the trv atees as to tho 
 propriety of Mr. Sheriflf Jarvis taking the chair, 
 
 Mr. Sheriff Jarvls said he did not intend to take any part in the proceed- 
 ings, as he thought when complaints were made, such as those now preferred 
 against the Hospital, it was the duty of the trustees to enquire into them, and 
 if there were good grounds for the complaints, let the proper course be taken 
 to have them remedied. But if, on the other hand, the complaints were 
 found to be frivolous and vexatious, let the trustees tell the public so. How- 
 ever, he did not feel justified in taking any part in the investigation. He did 
 not think the public, or he, as an individual, had any right to interfere in the 
 proceedings. It was clear that they had not the power to take evidence on 
 oath ; but if any voluntary statements could be made to the trustees, it would 
 be as well that they^should be taken. 
 
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 Kr. Bowes fla!d he bad intended to move that Mr. Sheriff Jarvis ehonld take 
 the chair, but the objections that he had made were valid, and therefore he 
 would not press that duty upon hira. The trustees were desirous to hare 
 everything sifted to the bottom, ond if any change could be made to proni«tu 
 the interests of the Institution, the trustees would very cheerfully do it. IT 
 a "Medical Student" is correct in the charges he has made, he (Mr. Bowes) 
 was sure the trustees would be the very first parties to come forward and 
 remedy the evils. The trustees had never themselves observed anything of 
 the kind so strongly stated by the writer of the letter alluded to, though they 
 had examined pretty regularly ; but, of course, it was expected that the 
 " Medical Student" who bad written the letter, had information in regard to 
 existing abuses which the trustees bad not. If he had, be (Mr. Bowes) hoped 
 he would have the honesty and boldness to come forward and state every- 
 thing that he knew. No matter who was the delinquent, they wanted to find 
 him out. Mr. Bowes concluded by moving that Dr. Widmer take the chair. 
 
 Dr. WiDMEK said he did not think it right that be or any of the trustees 
 should tako the chair. The trustees were implicated, as well as other parties 
 connected with the Institution, and they could not conduct this investigation 
 without sitting as judges in their own case. 
 
 The honorable gentleman's scruples were not considered valid, however, and 
 he consented to preside, and Mr. Brent acted as secretary. 
 
 Mr. BowES suggested that the questions of enquiry should be put and 
 answered in writing. He then moved that the letters be read, commencing 
 with the letter of the 24th. 
 
 Mr. BuEXT read the following letter: — 
 
 ( To the Editor of the Colonist.) 
 
 " SiK, — Will you permit me through the columns of your paper to call the 
 attention of the public to an evil which has grown grey in sin, and has 
 reached a climax demanding speedy adjustment : I mean the manner in which 
 <' The Toronto General Hospital" is now managed. I have wondered repeat- 
 edly, with many others, at the remissness of the trustees ; and why it is, they 
 do not correct the loose and flagrant mismanagement which I am sure they 
 are aware exists, since the matter has been repeatedly pressed upon their at- 
 tention. It is only a few weeks ago that a man by the name of I3urns, whose 
 duty it is to wait upon the patients, and in their turn present them to the at- 
 tending physicians, was brought before the Police Magistrate for brutally ill- 
 using a colored man. It was shown by Mr. Lennon (a Medical Student) that 
 this Burns had, without any provocation, grossly and wantonly maltreated 
 this poor fellow; and that in the act, he could be prompted by no motive, bat 
 the cruelty and relentless heartlessness which be saw him so frequently 
 manifest towards the sufifering and afBicted, upon many other occasions. The 
 Police Magistrate very froperly fined him 2Qs. and costs, with a severe and 
 
vttherlncr rebuke to hlfl InliaiBUilty; and exprened a bope that he woald be 
 diBmiaaed ft'om the loBtitation. This is not a solitary or isolated instance of 
 this man's conduct; his cruelty and rathlcssncss are proverbial among stu- 
 dents. If it were necessary I could cite many other instances in support of 
 these allegations. And with all these glaring verities staring us in the face, 
 which in loud and piercing accents call for his dismissal, he is still retained 
 in the Hospital to continue to perpetrate outrages upon the persons of the pa- 
 tients ; and yet, forsooth, in justification of his demeanour he states the phy- 
 iioian will give bim a character. What iiind of a character he deserves, f^om 
 the above facts, let your readers judge. It is self-evident that the resident 
 physician endorses his conduct, not only by retaining him in the Hospital, 
 but also from his refusal, since this occurrence, to permit the poor to have 
 their teeth extracted. Now, Mr. Editor, let me ask, who will perform these 
 surgical operations, and where, if not in the Hospital ? The resident surgeon 
 says, they must go to the dentist; but, few of them have 28. Cd. to pay for his 
 professional services ; and if they have not, what then ? I presume it is a 
 matter of indifference to him ; he would sleep none the less sound for it. Is 
 this iact to go abroad, that in " The Toronto General Hospital" a poor man 
 cannot have a tooth extracted ; it would be a disgrace to our city. Again, 
 one of the women who has charge of the male patients, betrays a disposition 
 similar to that of Burns, and e^^hibits a heart as callous and impervious to 
 the appeals of common humanity. Her coarseness, ins«lence and rude treat* 
 ment are too notorious to every observer to need comment. It is a short time 
 ago that this woman solemnly asseverated in the hearing of the students, that 
 if the then attending physician admitted a patient against whom she had some 
 personal pique, " sbe would be the death of him." Whether or not she has 
 carried this threat into execution I have not learned, but from my knowledge 
 of her, I have reason to fear. It is no use to order any particular regimen 
 for the sick, for It seems to rest wholly with this woman, whether it shall bo 
 given or not ; It seems, I say, to rest upon the volition of her will ; and she 
 takes care, so far as I know, rigorously to enforce and interpose her authority. 
 It would be impossible, in one letter, to give even a faint exposition of the 
 corruption which exists and stalks forth in open day in this house of sin. I 
 do not believe there is another similar institution in all America, where 
 greater wrongs are perpetrated, or more distortion of kindness exists. It is 
 BO filthy, that It is best known among those who walk the wards by the appel- 
 lation of the " L y Hospital ;" and it is only mentioned to sneer and 
 
 ridicule it as a fountain of moral pollution. The time spent by the student 
 is considered worse than squandered ; no remuneration is received to com- 
 pensate for the loss of the £2, much less their time ; and were it not that our 
 Colleges demand a twelve months' hospital attendance, few, if any students 
 would visit it, but to learn how much misery and disease are augmented 
 within its walls. I am in possession of a great many incidents to which I may 
 draw the attention of the public agaUi, if these wrongs be not speedily re 
 
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 tlrcBwd. I hopo this will havo the offoot of awakening the attention of tho 
 public, and cauBlng a spirit of enquiry to be aroused, that will reach every 
 extremity of the ovU, and that a medicine, potent enough to reach tho foui>- 
 dation of tho disorder, may bo applied, that death to tho parts may bo ar- 
 rested. 
 
 Yours, &e., 
 
 A Mkdical Stcdent.'^ 
 
 Tho letter having been read, James Dixon, a medical student came forward 
 and said ho was the writer of that letter. Some of the charges he was him- 
 self cognizant of, others of them he had been Informed of by students attend- 
 ing the Hospital, whoso names he was not at present at liberty to give, but 
 who, he had no doubt, would come forward to substantiate what they knew 
 of the charges. He was as willing to come forward and state what he knew 
 publicly, as he was to make the charges in the letter. It was a rccognlseil 
 principle in philosophy, that a man's actions were neither good nor bad, aside 
 from the motive which prompted him to perform those actions. Ho was sure 
 that he was not prompted to write that letter by bad motives, and, therefore, 
 had no hesitation in coming forward, not only to acknowledge having done 
 so, but to substantiate the statements therein made. 
 
 Mr. Bowes. — ^How long havo you been studying your profession? My 
 reason for putting that question is to ascertain what means ^ou have had of 
 acquiring that knowledge in reference to this Institution, which other students 
 attending the Hospital have not. I wish to see whether other medical students 
 will coincide in the statements you have made. 
 
 Mr. Dixov. — I have been studying medicine about eight months. 
 
 Question. — How long have you been attending this Hospital? 
 
 .Answer. — I have no ticket out, but have come here occasionally. 
 
 Q. — ^Have you a ticlcet taken out for the Hospital? 
 
 jf. — I have not a ticket taken out for this session. 
 
 Q. — Have you the information, put forth in regard to the management of 
 the Hospital, from your own observation, or from information derived from 
 others ? 
 
 A. — ^I have it from both sources. Some portions of it I have witnessed my- 
 self, and other portions I have from others. 
 
 Q.— "What is the name of the nurse who is alluded to in your letter ? 
 
 A. — As that is a fact I was not myself cognizant of, I do not choose to 
 Answer to the name. 
 
 Mr. Sheriff Jarvis said if it was the desire of the trustees to elicit all the 
 particulars in connexion with this matter, he would humbly submit that they 
 were beginning at the wrong end.. It struck him that it would be much better 
 
to pursue tbo eonno taken In a Court of Justice, and allow tho gontluuan io 
 make his Htatcmcntfl without interruption ; and then lot him bu croHSMiues* 
 tloncd upon that statement. Tho questions would naturally grow out of tho 
 accuKationa. It would then be for tho trustees to say whether theno accusa- 
 tions had l)€cn voridcd. Some of these charges, ho says, arc made upon his 
 own knowl(!dgo, others of them are given on liearsay evidence. If iio cannot 
 BnbHtantiato from his own observations and that of witnesHes, tho cliarKOs ho 
 bos made, tlien the wholo of bis statements will go for nothing. Let him, 
 however, make his statement and let it l)e taken down and signed, and then, 
 on the part of the trustees, let any question be put to him which may be sug- 
 gested by that testimony. This appeared the more correct mode of procedure* 
 
 Mr. BowEfi said ho would rather some other party should conduct the In- 
 vestigation. As a trustee ho was rather there to hear tho occusations brought 
 forward. lie liad no doubt that tho trustees were prepared to take any 
 course tliat would rao'* fully elicit the truth. 
 
 Mr. Dixon said, tho spirit that prompted mo to come forward was not a bad 
 one. I have nothing against any of the persons connected with the iiif-tilntlon 
 personally, they have never done me any wrong, 1 am sure. I liavc i\lroady 
 stated distinctly that some of tlic facts I was peri-'onally co<i;nl/,i(nt of. I 
 expect the parties from whom I got the information wiil come forward, and 
 answer to their part of the cliargo. I tliiiik. therefore, it would bu l)eltcr to 
 permit mo to make the statements I have to make, and then any question may 
 be put to me that may be thought necessary. 
 
 Mr. Bkatt said tlio only oV»joct tho trustees had in view was to elicit all tho 
 facts in the case. They liad Mr. Dixon's statement already before them la 
 that letter. If ho had anything further to say, they were willing to hear it; 
 then they would proceed to the examination ; their object was to arrive at 
 the truth, and nothing but the truth. 
 
 Mr. Dixox said with regard to the first statement in the I tter, that, in re- 
 ference to Burn?, I can not state exactly the day of the month, but it was in 
 the month of January. I came up here to see Dr. Paget examined at the 
 Board. I went into the Surgery, and there were quite a number of studcnta 
 inside ; I cannot be sure, but I think that Dr. Bovell was there. Dr. Claike 
 was there, and either Dr. Bovell or some other Dr. authorized one of the stu- 
 dents to bleed a patient ; I went out to see the operation. The student bled 
 t he patient, and when he had done so, the patient fainted away ; the student 
 held him up in his arms on a chair ; Dr. Clarke came forward and directed 
 the patient to be laid upon his back on the floor. I then went away and re- 
 turned in a short time. When I came back to see how the patient was doing, 
 one of the students was applying a bottle of ammonia to the patient's nostriltt. 
 I felt the patient's hands; his extremities were cold, and the tips of his fingers 
 were blue. I put my band on the region of bis heart, and the action bad ap- 
 
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 poreDtly ceased, and tbere was a cold claiqmy sweat upon his face ; there 
 seemed to be a cold spasmodic shuddering running through his whole frame. 
 Just as I was looking at him, Burns came forward with a pail of water in his 
 hand, and threw a part of it upon the patient, and it was dashed all over his 
 clothes. He was in the act of throwing the remainder of it, when a nurse 
 came forward and prevented him from throwing it. Burns then took the 
 patient up in his arms by the shoulders and pushed him outside the door. I 
 went away and came back in a little while, and the patient was still lying 
 outside in the cold, shuddering. 
 
 Dr. Clarke. — Was the paJent not brought out to the verandah to get the 
 fresh air? 
 
 Mr. DrxoN. — I do not think us was brough* out for any purpose of that 
 kind. 
 
 Dr. Clarke. — I say the man was brought out to get the fresh air, a circum- 
 stance that frequently occurs. 
 
 Dr. BovELL said he rose at this stage of the examination, to say that the 
 young gentleman should take very good care what be said, because he (Dr. 
 Bovell) could say distinctly thatjhe was not in the surgery at^the time allud- 
 ed to. 
 
 Mr. Beatt hoped the witness would be allowed to proceed, and when the 
 evidence was taken down, any gentleman present would have an opportunity 
 of correcting the errors into which the witness may have fallen. 
 
 Mr. Bowes here said he should like to know, from any of the faculty 
 present, what course was generally pursued in such cases. 
 
 Dr. Cotter said they all knew very well that he had a large practice in 
 the city, and he could say that it was an invariable custom if he bled a pa- 
 tient to bring him out to the fresh air, and if it was a heavy person he must 
 be dragged out the best way possible. 
 
 Mr. Dixox resumed. Upon another occasion I was here, I cannot exactly 
 say when, but I think it was in the month of October. I came out of the 
 surgery and went towards the door. A poor man whom I considered to be a 
 patient, came in, when Burns came forward and lifted his liand and knocked 
 oiFhia liat. He struck it with such force that it went against tke waU on the 
 other side. It was knocked off with violence. Upon another occasion, I was 
 up slalrs, where there was a considerable number of students, I think from SO 
 to 40, and while there, one of the nurses came up and announced that a med- 
 ical student was at the door wishing to know where the students from Victoria 
 College were. She ushered him in among the students, and in doing so 
 made some taunting remarks to him, and put her hand up towards his face in 
 Buch a manner as made the impression upon my mind that she was drunk. — 
 I thought it very unbecoming in her to act so. I thought from the way she 
 put the question that the student had asked where the. students from Vic- 
 toria College were. 
 
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 Dr. RiOHABDioir. — Do you believe that the woman was drank t 
 Mr. Dixox,— The'impression made upaa my mind was that the woman was 
 drank. / 
 
 Dr. Richardson. — ^I only asked the question because I consider it too grave 
 ft matter that the character of a woman should be destroyed at one blow. 
 
 Mr. Bentlet.— Do you know that one of the students made the remark at 
 the time, that the woman had acted very imprudently, and that had she done 
 80 in Montreal Hospital, she would have been dismissed. 
 
 Mr. Dixox.— I am satisfied that this remark was made at the time, but the 
 name of the student who said so, I do not remember at the moment. 
 
 Mr. Bentlet suggested that it would be quite sufiBclent for the purpose the 
 trustees had in view, to take such notes as were necessary for their own 
 guidance, and depend upon the report given by those parties who were here 
 to represent the Press. It would save a great amount of trouble, and the 
 evidence when taken in full would be more satisfactory. 
 
 Dr. O'Briex said that any person who had attended a magisterial investi- 
 gation would understand that the magistrate would stop the individual giving 
 evidence until he had taken down the sentence. In this way there was no 
 difficulty in giving the evidence correct. 
 
 Mr. Bowes. — I wish you to say whether you are the author of the letter 
 which appeared in the Colonist, signed " Medical Student ?" 
 
 Mr. Dixon. — ^I am. 
 
 Mr. Beaty said he was desirous to arrive at the truth. Much as he ad- 
 mired the cadid way in which the young gentleman had come forward, it did 
 not alter the fact that the charges in that letter were very serious. He was 
 personally acquainted with a number of the parties in the Hospital, particu- 
 larly with the matron, and the gentleman who superintends the building. If 
 these charges were true, he would regret it exceedingly. As one of the 
 trustees, he would like to know about the immorality that is practised in the 
 Hospital. He considered it an act of kindness upon Mr. Dixon's part to come 
 forward, but he wished now that he would give testimony to corroborate that 
 part of the letter in relation to the immorality that is practised. 
 
 Mr Dixox.— I explained, in a subsequent letter to the Colonist, what I meant 
 by moral pollution. I said there that I meant moral obliquity. 
 
 Dr. RioHABDSox said he did not know about these charges until he came 
 to the meeting. He had not seen the letter in the Colonist until he saw it 
 here, nor had he seen any other letter except that which appeared in the 
 Colonist of yesterday. He, therefore, took it for granted that Mr. Dixon 
 was prepared to substantiate these charges or to confess that they were false. 
 It is said that this Institution is immoral, that it is dirty, and that it is a 
 haose of sin. He would like ^o hear these statements substantiated. 
 
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 Mr. DrxoK.-^I stated at tbc commencement that all these charges did not 
 come from me. They came from different sources, and I do not doubt thai 
 the persons who told me are prepared to substantiate them. I have already 
 said that what I meant by moral pollution was moral obliquity. 
 
 Dr. IlAiJiOWEij,. — The second letter takes quite a different stand from the 
 first. It says — " I3y the term ' moral pollution,' I mean no more than a 'devia- 
 tion from a judicious and righteous course of government,' or in other words, 
 ' moral obliquity.' I make no immoral impeaciiment of its government." 
 
 Dr. Richardson'. — That second letter does not cover one-tenth part of the 
 charges. This Hospital is declared to be a house of sin, a lousy hospital, and 
 a sink of corruption. How moral obliquity and a house of sin can be con- 
 nected he could not undci'stand. 
 
 Mr. Dixox. — These charges do not all lie with me. I made them all public, 
 but other parties told me of some of them. 
 
 Dr. Richardson. — A person who makes such charges should be able to 
 substantiate them. 
 
 Mr. Bowes. — I wish distinctly to know what opportunity you had of judg- 
 ing of the management of this Institution ? 
 
 Mr. Dixox. — I have already told you that some of the charges I made from 
 my own observation, others from what friends have told me. 
 
 Mr. Bowks. — Then I trust that these parties will come boldly forward and 
 substantiate them. 
 
 Dr. Philbuick here came in, and said he was but a very sick man, and had 
 just risen from a very sick bed ; but ho had one or two remarks to make, and 
 wished to know what would be the fittest time for the trustees to hear his 
 statements. For the last three years he hafl been a visitor in this Hospital, 
 and he had a standing second to no man in his profession on this continent, 
 and therefore claimed for himself, the right to state his opinions in regard to 
 this Ilospitul. 
 
 As the Dr. was evidently much debilitated, and under great mental excite- 
 ment wliile making these remarks, he was interrupted by some of his frienda 
 and requested to retire. 
 
 The Chairman said the gentleman was evidently very ill, and it were better 
 to appoint some time for him to give his evidence. 
 
 Dr. Phiij)uick, however, retired shortly after, without making any further 
 state meuts at the time. 
 
 Mr.' Bowks. — TLere is a charge made against the management of the Hospi- 
 tal, what do you say about that ? 
 
 Mr. Dixojf. — I got ray impression of the management of the Hospital from 
 what I saw myself, aod wondered why it was these acts were tolerated. 
 Mr. Bo\v:e3 olgected to any reference being made to any other parties aales • 
 
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 ibe names of the parties who made these statements were given. Thej would 
 hold him to the letter. 
 
 Mr. Dixox. — I presume the parties are prepared to substantiate what is said 
 in that letter. I do not, however, wish to give their names, believing that 
 the parties themselves will come forward. 
 
 Dr. RicuARDSON declared tbat the letter was false and calumnious, and it 
 was no use for Mr. Dixon to try to get out of it in that way. When a person 
 mode any statement in the public prints, it is given there upon his own au- 
 thority, and not upon the authority of another. 
 
 Mr. Bentley considered it quite out of place for Dr. Richardson or any 
 other gentleman to express his opinion upon the question while it was under- 
 going investigation. Parties, in giving evidence of this kind, had a perfect 
 right to withhold the names of those from whom they received that informa- 
 tion. There was also such a thing as common report, and statements were 
 frequently made upon that, without any one party being able distinctly to 
 say how that rumour originated. 
 
 Mr. Beatt differed entirely from the remarks of Mr. Bentley. The trustees 
 wanted facts. Mr. Dixon had told them what he saw. He says, he had some 
 of the facts from others. Why not give the names of those parties ? He 
 thought Mr. Dixon ought at once to tell whp the parties were. 
 
 Mr. Bentlet begged leave to differ with Mr. Beaty, and more especially as 
 Mr. Dixon had asserted that these parties were coming forward themselves 
 voluntarily to give evidence. 
 
 Mr. Beatt still considered that Mr. Dixon should ^ve the names of the 
 parties from whom he received his information. 
 
 Mr. Bowes. — On what grounds are you assured that the trustees were 
 aware that flagrant mismanagement existed in this institution ? 
 
 Mr. Dixov.— I had my information from parties who had repeatedly pressed 
 it upon the attention of the trustees. 
 
 Mr. Bowes.— What we want is to get at the party who has misled yoa in 
 this matter. 
 
 Mr. Beatt expressed his desire that Mr. Dixon would now do justice to the 
 trustees. These charges were made and the party who had told him said he 
 liad pressed it upon the attention of the trustees frequently. Was it right 
 to bis own character as a man, to let these charges go forward against the 
 trustees, and not tell them who it was that had pressed the matter upon them 
 frequently. 
 
 Mr. SheriflT Jarvis said he did not think the witness was fairfy dealt with. 
 He had given information of what he saw himself. He says— the rest of Ida 
 information he got from others. If the parties who told him of these fail to 
 tovM forward, thea the charges will fall to the ground, and upon Mr. Dlaoa 
 
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 tdll rest the odium of having failed to prove the charges he had made, and 
 the trustees and all the parlies charged would be preBented|to the pablio ai 
 haying been upjustly accused. 
 
 Mr. Dizox. — I expect the parties are here who gave me the information* 
 and I have no doubt they will come forward. I did not report the ill treat* 
 ment of fiurns to the medical officer. I did not report any of the other 
 cases, not being a regular student. 
 
 jklr. Bowes— There is a charge of immorality mentioned in the letter. 
 
 Mr, DizoN. — I did not mean by immorality what is generally considered 
 by immorality in the gross sense. 
 
 Mr. EowES.— You have charged the trustees with knowing that the Hospi« 
 tal was a house of sm, and a sinlc of pollution. What are we to understand 
 yon to mean by these term?. 
 
 Mr. Bemtlbt said, that might imply a deviation from a judicious and 
 righteous course. The object of this Institution is to relieve the distress of the 
 nick and the unfortuuate, but if they are treated in such a way that their dis- 
 tress is not relieved but increased he wouldfconsider that a moral peiver- 
 sion of the objects of the Institution. 
 
 Mr. DizoR said — I mean by moral pollution sa applied to this Institution 
 a perversion of the objects of the Institution, I have not taken out a ticket 
 this last session. I don't therefore walk the hospital regularly, although I 
 have been occasionally. I have heard persons eay they got lice upon them 
 \ij comirg into the hospital. I cannot speak from personal knowledge. I 
 have heard students who are here to-day say that such is the fact Mr. Bing* 
 ham has told me he got lice upon his clothes. I have had conversations 
 with others who have visited other hospitals, and they say that this one waa 
 in very bad order compared with them. I heard a medical man who attends here 
 now say, that this Institution vrould bear no compaiison with any other hos- 
 pital that he had ever been in, either as regards management or cleanliness. 
 I have heard them i^ay that Montreal Hospital was Well conducted, and ^that 
 Boston Hospital was well conducted I'^avenot myself had an opportunity 
 of judgit)^ of its cleanliness as compared with other institutions. I have 
 heard the Hospital mentioned, frequently just to sneer at it. 
 
 Dr. Cotter Do jou think from your own observations that this Hospital 
 is a filthy Hos|^^ita]. 
 
 Mr. DiioN. — It is no use putting such a question to me, because I have not* 
 bad an opportunity of iudgiiigof its cleauliness, as compared with other 
 Institutions of a similar kind. 
 
 Mr. Bowes. — You oay the Honpital is mentioned, merely to sneer at it* 
 
 Mr Dixiix. — I hare heard this repeatedly. ' 
 
 Mr. Bowes. — You ^ay in your letter — " I am in possession of a great many 
 ineidentsto which I uiay draw the attention of the public again, if theae 
 
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 wrongs be not Bpeedilj redressed." Now hare yon giren as all yoa know 
 personally about the institution ?" 
 
 Mr. Dixon.— I presume tiiat with regard to Jie other points, others that 
 are here will sustain them. 
 
 Mr. Bkatt said, he did not doubt that such might be the case but ho 
 would have been better pleased had Mr. Dixon himself given the names of 
 the parties. 
 
 John Lennon.— A student of medicine said, they need not press Mr. Dixon 
 so. They would get the whole of the evidence. He was prepared to come 
 forward and substantiate the charge against the trustees. They need net 
 therefore harrass Mr. Dixon any more. 
 
 Mr. Beatt said, the immorality has been defined, and it consisted in 
 this, that patients coming to this Hospital, instead of getting proper treatment 
 got the opposite. Was that deficiency on the part of the medical staff, or upon 
 the governor of the lostitution, or the servants. They wanted, as trustees, to 
 know if any one of those who had been appointed to that Institution had not 
 done their duty. 
 
 Mr. BxMTLET begged to say that the Sheriff had already complained of 
 the way in which the witness had been treated, and he had good cause for 
 such a complaint. The position in which he was placed was not a fair one 
 as the trustees take the charges as applicable to themselves. Mr. Dixon had 
 already explained what he meant by his statements. If he fails to make 
 good his charges, the public would be able to judge for themselves. He 
 had stated that he was unwilling to give the names of the parties who furnish- 
 ed the iDformation, believing that these parties will come voluntarily forward 
 and substantiate their charges. If they do not, then the blame will fall upon 
 Mr. Dixon himself. 
 
 Here Dr. Widmer retired, and Mr. Beaty on taking the chair said, he 
 thought it uDcourteous of any gentleman in the city of Toronto to in- 
 terfere with tbe trufcteoH' ii< tnt-r endeavour to get all the information 
 they possibly could. If a gentleman who had charged them in the public 
 prints comes here voluntarily and sajs that he is unwilling to give the 
 names of the parties from whom he got his information, he was treating the 
 trustees unhandsomely. 
 
 Mr. Bowes said tbey would have every gentleman connected with the 
 Hospital brought forward, and would continue the investigation for a week 
 or a month rather than not have the evidence complete. 
 
 Dr. Hallowell wished to call upon the learned gentleman, (Mr. Bentley) 
 who teemed so able an advocate — be did not understand why he should be 
 so, perhaps there were stroug reattons for it — but he would simply ask that 
 gentleman what those aspersions were that were cast upon the gentleman wh« 
 had ctjme forward to ^ive information. ^ 
 
 Mr. Ba»TLET made no reply. 
 
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 The Ohaibmam asked if there wbm any other person prepared to giveoTidencef 
 irhen — 
 
 Jon.v Lennon came forward and said, I am a senior atudent, and have at 
 tended the Hospital about as regularly as any of the students who have at- 
 tended the Hospital during the last six months. I wish to say that 1 come 
 hero volutitariiy to make a statement of facts in connection with this affair. 
 I knew nothing about the letter signed "A Medical Student" until it was in« 
 the hands of the publisher. I stated, when I saw it that I could not, subscribe 
 to the latter part of it, that the expressions were not the best adapted to carry 
 out the meaning the writer had in view, as they were liable to be misunder- 
 stood. In regard to the flrst part of it— that relating to the coloured maa 
 — I may say that I was summoned before the Magistrate, and gave evidence 
 in regard to the coloured man. I stated that in coming out of the surgery 
 in the Hospital, I met a coloured man, who asked it he could get his tooth 
 drawn. Dr. Clarke gave me the instruments, and I drew the tooth. Just when 
 I had done so, Burns came in, and took the coloured man by the shoulders 
 and pushed him out of the door. After the evidence had all been given the 
 Magistrate said that Burns's conduct was most unjustifiable — that it was ex- 
 tremely cruel — and that he was enturely unfltted for his situation, and should 
 be dismissed from the hospital. Burns may be a good servant, and very ca- 
 pable of discharging his duty; but his conduct upon several occasions ia 
 this Hospital, has not been what an ofScial in this Institution ought to be. 
 In regard to another point in that letter, I am the person who bled the pa- 
 tient in the corridor. I came here to hear the examination of Mr. Paget, and 
 some one came in and said there was a patient that needed to be bled. With 
 all respect to Dr. Cotter and his large practice in this city, I must say that 
 the water was not thrown upon the man in a Christian Spirit. He dashed 
 the water into his face, in the middle of winter too, I did not take more than 
 ten ounces of blood from him, and don't think he was bled to sincope. I did 
 not see the man ejected from the Hospital. I say it was right to throw water 
 upon the man's face. I would have done so myself; but I don't think it was 
 right to throw it upon him as it was done. It is customary to throw water 
 upon a patient after bleeding. 
 
 (Here the witness stated that he objected to any question being pot to him 
 by any person except the Chairman. He had come voluntarily forward to 
 state all he knew about the afi^ir, and if the Trustees were not capable of dis- 
 charging their daty, he would cheerfully appear before any commission that 
 might be appointed.) 
 
 WUneu retumtd—Tihe next case in connexion with Bums that came under 
 my observation was, one day when Dr. Bovell was prescribing for a patient in 
 the room over thesurgery, in the northeast corner. It was either Dr. Bovell's 
 week as visiting physician, or he was discharging the duty of another medical 
 officer, whom I have not seen there since I came. A poor woman came iiv* 
 
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 ill' 
 
l^ 
 
 side the room door, as if she was going to ask something, when Barns 
 thrust her out immediately in a very rudu manner. Dr. Clarke was present, 
 and must have seen the circumstance. 
 
 Dr. Clarke here stated that he did not .sec it done. 
 
 Witness. — If you did not see it you must liavc been wilfully blind, for I 
 do not think you could help seeing it. I have no charge against you how- 
 ever, Dr. Clarke, because you have alway.s troaled mo very kindly since I 
 came to the Hospital. Wo come now to the case of the medical students 
 from Victoria College. The students, I dou't know the exact number, were 
 all upstairs with Dr. Wright, who was the Medical goutlemau for that week, 
 when a nurse came and opened the door, and said here are the ilcdical stu- 
 dents from Victoria College, and she then went on with a r' gular tirade that 
 no person unless in liquor would have done. U appi ared to mo from her con- 
 duct that she was in liquor. She said to the youug mau that she would brick- 
 bat his mouth so that she would know hiui again. Dr. Wright said to her 
 that there was no use in her going en in that way. The young lad would not 
 trouble her again as he would lind his way next time without her assistance. 
 The name of the nurse I believe was Mrs. Douelly. The next case we come to 
 is that of the coloured mau, Jackson. Mrs. Donolly said to the medical ofiBcer 
 (Dr. Wright) that if he took in that coloured mau as a patient she would be 
 the death of him. Upon another occasion there was some talk about this 
 coloured man, when one of the patients came forward, and said that it was a 
 Bhame, the manner in which this coloured man was treated, for he was as 
 good a patient as was in the hospital. I heard that Dr. Clarke had refused to 
 allow teeth to be drawn in the hospital, and said that they might go to the 
 dentists. I immediately said to some of the students that they should wi-itc 
 to some newspaper Editor on the subject, for I was under the impression that 
 this had arisen through spite. Shortly after that, another patient came to get 
 a tooth drawn while Dr. Aikins was adimtting patients, and Dr. Clarke made 
 the same remark to him that there were no more teeth to be drawn in the Hos- 
 pital. Dr. Aikms said he would draw the tooth hlmsolf and not trouble any 
 one. He then went in and got the instruments; but he found that it was only 
 an abscess in the gum, and having opened it he told the mau that that would 
 give him relief. The last occasion on which J saw Burns manifest hi.s cruelty 
 was in the case of a poor man, called, ''the doctor.'' The poor man came here 
 with a fractured leg, and he jerked that man about in such a way as to be a 
 disgi'ace to the Institution that such an officer .should be about it. His con ■ 
 duct was such that the medical officer had to interfere. I wish to state that 
 Dr. Clarke had refused the instruments to two students — Mr. Campbell and 
 Mr. Carswell— before he refused them to Dr. Aikins. In regard to the bleeding 
 of the patient I would state that Burns came for^vard a second time with the 
 water to throw it, and was prevented doing so by a nurse, named Esther 
 There are certain charges that I am willing to give evidence upon, but I 
 
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 think I would rather reserve to myself any further remarks at present as T 
 do expect that there will be a commission from Government to invcHtigate 
 those charges. 
 
 The Chairman. — I think it is not likely. We are here to make an investiga- 
 tion. It is an onorons duty but we are prepared to discharge it. If you know 
 anything of the wrong working of this Institution we will bo happy to hear it . 
 
 Mr. Lennox — My reason for paying so is, from the fact that the Trustees 
 have already prejudged the case in the letter which they published in the 
 Colonut of the 28th. 
 
 Here follows the letter to which witness referred and part of which he read. 
 ( To the Editor of the Daily Colonist.) 
 
 " Sir— The Trustees of the Toronto General Hospital havejread with great in- 
 dignation, a fdlse and culumnious statement of the management of that institu* 
 tion, over the signature of " A Medical Siudent." Such a statement, if even 
 remotely connected with truth, would cover with disgrace the character of five 
 of your townsmen, in whom is vested the superintendence and direction of all 
 matters connected with the internal economy of this public charity. The Trus- 
 tees, as a public body, assert their claim upon the press for the exercise of a dis- 
 criminating protection from the hasty publication of Buch atrocious libels as that 
 of the " Medical Student," the publication of which appears to have been as read- 
 ily effected as if it contained merely a discussion of some trifling points of dis- 
 cipline falling within the circle of a legitimate criticism. If the power of the 
 Press, is thus extended on all occasionswithout due examination and investigation 
 of the probability of truthinthe charges, what public or private institutions may 
 not be assailed with impunity by such unscrupulous scribblers i And although 
 a subsequent enquiry may prove the falsehood of the attack, yet it may come 
 too late, the poison has circulated throughout the coimtry, and many will con- 
 tinue to believe in the truth of the statement. It is apparent, however to the 
 Trustees, that this communication did not originate solely in the brain of a 
 '• Medical Student," its source is derived from parties who dare not come for- 
 ward in their true position to substantiate their accusations ; it is not the first of 
 this description ol slander that has emanated from the same source. 
 
 To bestow the necessary attention for refuting thi« tirade of falsehood, would 
 be a waste of time. The Trustees believe that by inviting the intelligent and 
 respectable inhabitants of the city, together with all the members of the profes- 
 sion therein, to visit the Hospial at ail hours of the day, and to make enquiries 
 of the patients and servants as to the treatment they receive from the resident 
 medical officer, as well as from the whole medical staff of the institution ; and 
 . to observe the degree of neatness, cleanliness, and regularity to be found, will 
 be the surest made of confounding the writer under the name of " A Medical 
 Student," and afford sufficient proof of the disregard he has evinced, by hi« pub- 
 lication, of common honesty and veracity, 
 
 J. W. BRENT. 
 Toronto General Hospital Office, March 27, 1865." Secrttarjf. 
 
M 
 
 " It was resolved al a meeling ot the Tiustecs, lielii this day, that in order to 
 give to the party assailing the managenieiit of the Hospital, an opportunity of 
 establishing his allegations, the Trustees will hold a meeting at the Hospital 
 at 12 o'clock, noon, on Thursday next, the 29th instant. 
 
 The attendin;; physicians of the Institution, as well as the members of the 
 profession thoughout the city, are hereby invited to attend. 
 
 J. W. BRENT, 
 
 Toronto General Hospital Office, March 27, 1855." Secretary. 
 
 Mr. Lennox. — I can state as to the meddling interference with the patients. 
 
 Mr. Beaty.— If anything of that kind has come under your own observa- 
 tion, then it ia your duty to make it known. 
 
 Mr. Lennox here related the case of a young liid, troubled with listula, who 
 was under Dr. Aikia's care and who had boon advised by Mrs. Donelly to get 
 Dr. Hodder or Dr. Beaumont to operate upon him, and she bad advised the 
 parents of the lad to take him away or ho would die in the Hospital if left 
 under Dr Aikln's care. Dr. Aikins had, however, succeeded in effecting a 
 care. ♦ 
 
 Mr. Lennox then said, as regards the charges a;^ainst the Trustees, [ bare 
 attended here regularly for the purpose ot benefitting myself liy seeing the 
 practice of the able gentlemen who uttend this Hospital. I am always happy 
 to have the privilege of walking the Hospital with Dr. Hodder or with Dr. 
 Bovell. But with regard to Dr. Telfer and Dr. J>eaumont and Dr. Herrick, I 
 have not had the privilege of walking the wards with thera. I have paid 
 for my ticket, and I expected to have the lienelit of it. Dr. Telfer will come up 
 at 11 o'clock and get through with his patients before the hour fixed for the 
 students, and Dr. Beaumont will not como .sometimes tiil three o'clock. It is 
 not once in six weeks that I meet with them, and yet I must como up here 
 and wait my hour from 12 to 1 o'clock, in order to get my ticket certified, 
 or if I don't, I cannot graduate at College. I don't know why Dr. Herrick or 
 Dr. Beaumont don't attend, I am under the impression and have always felt 
 that as a student in the Toronto Institution, T was degraded, that there was 
 some sort of stigma intended to be cast upon u.«, and upon all belonging to 
 that college. If their object is to prevent us as much as possible seeing Hos- 
 pital practice, they have accomplished their object pretty well. The students 
 had attended regularly to receive their instruction, and I challenge any 
 medical gentleman who comes to this Institution to name a student that has 
 violated any of its rules. [Witness here referred to the following letter pub- 
 lished in the Colonist of the 28th, with the names of the students of the Trin. 
 itj College attached, and stated that one of these students told him that he 
 never knew what was in that letter until it appeared in the newspaper with 
 his name attached. He told him also that two of the students whose names 
 were appended to it were out of town, and consequeutlj had not seen the docn 
 
so 
 
 ( To tht Editor of the Coloni$t.) 
 
 ''■Sir, — In your issue of the 24th, there appeared n communication over thr 
 signature of ''A Medical Student," couched in such language, and composed 
 ol such a tissue of untruths, as to demand an immediate answer, to counteract 
 the impression which it would doubtless make upon the public mind. In an- 
 swering this j^ieudo-philanthropigt, I shall not stoop to use such language as- 
 characterized his production, which appears, like the spider's web, to have been 
 spun from the venom of a brain, provided by nature for a higher and nobler pur- 
 pose ; but, alas! it proved degraded and debased. The animadversions of the 
 writer are composed soley of strong assertions, without proof, declamation with- 
 out argument, and violent censure, without truth or moderation, which in fact 
 would not reach the standard of dignified contempt, were it not known that the 
 "Student" known to you as the author of the letter in question, is but the 
 motithjnece and toolofdesignivgrnen, viho^too coward/ y to speak themselves, thus 
 endeavour to find shelter. 
 
 Vour correspondent first makes an attack upon Mr. Burns who, he says,was 
 fined some time since by the Police Magistrate, "for brutall]||Using a coloured 
 man," and continues that "it was shown by Mr.^Lennon (a medical student) 
 that this Burns had without any provocation grossly and wantonly maltreated 
 the ])oor fellow, and that in the act he could be prompted by no motive, but the 
 ciuulty and relentless heartlessness, which he saw him so frequently manifest 
 towards the suffering and afflicted upon many other occasions.'' 
 
 Now, Sir, without reflecting in the least upon the decision of the magistrate in 
 thai case, I fearlessly assert that a thorough examination into Burns's conduct, 
 not only upon that occasion, but upon every other, would be productive of a 
 result highly flattering to that official, and clearly prove that his great sin has 
 been, that while in the performance of his duty, he has been forced to check the 
 meddling presumption of some two or three notoriously impertinent students , 
 and that instead of his cruelty and ruthlessness being proverbial among the stu- 
 dents, the contrary is the truth. Next, the scribbler, with impertinence so 
 truly characteristic, vents his spleen upon Dr. Clarke, the House Surgeon, by 
 accusing him of encouraging and maintaining Burns in such disgraceful conduct 
 and not permitting the poor to have their teeth extracted. The only answer to 
 these accusations is, that they are wholly and utterl) false. Dr. Clarke, as a 
 gentleman and an able Surg'eon, stands deservedly high ni the estimation of the 
 Kreat majority of the Students attending the Toronto hospital, and the best evi- 
 dence of this may be found in the fact, that he has demanded an immediate 
 and strict enquiry into this whole matter, which enquiry will commence to- 
 morrow, and will, without doubt, result in teaching "a Medical Student" and 
 his prompters, that truth is the best policy, and probably lead the public to as- 
 sociate " moral iwllution" with his name, giving the term a far different mean- 
 ing'frorn that given by him, in his attempted retraction, in your issue of this 
 morning. The accusation against one of the nurses, while equally false, is truly 
 
the mott diflguating part of hit production, and is completely unworthy of a 
 If ply. Ai to hin appellation of L— y Hospital it i.i an invention ot his own. 
 
 In c-oncliuion, I feel confident that the lar^e majority of the studentH Attend- 
 ing the TorontoiHospital will readily testily to the utter falseness of his arcusa- 
 tinnSfUnd leaving him to enjoy theunenvJahle notoriety he hnH {gained. 
 
 1 am yours, 
 
 Veritas. 
 
 P. S. The iiiveitigatiiMi spoken of above, will be open to the public, and will 
 commence at !'.» o'clock, as Dr. Clarke is ptirliciilarly anxious lor th** public to 
 be present. 
 
 Toronto, March 2Gth, IHafj. 
 
 We, tlie undersigned Medical Sludenls, attending the Toronto (ieueral Hospi- 
 tal, having read the letter signed "Veritas," heartily concur in the scntimentii 
 it enunciates, and t«el convinced that the accusations brought against ^that in- 
 stitution and it«i officers, by the person signing himself "A M«dical Student." 
 are utterly devoid of truth, and entirely unworthy the ronfidonce ottlu* public 
 
 (Signed,) 
 
 Wm.-Chase, 
 
 D.R. Burdett, 
 
 iVlartin.Morrifion 
 
 Robert Johnson, 
 
 A. T. Augusta, 
 
 R. L.6all, 
 
 Wm. Donnelly. 
 Mr. Le.nnnn resumed. — With regard to the treatment which the patients re- 
 ceive from the medical gentlemen, it is moat humane. It is most kind. Last 
 Saturday 1 attended here with Dr. Aikina, when Dr. Clarke l)rought under Dr. 
 Aikins' notice the letter that had appeared in that morning's Colonist, und 
 asked him if he had seen it; and he commented upon it in terms which I thought 
 uiyust. Dr. Clarke said, however as to the charges—" with regard to lice 
 being in the Hospital, he did all he could to keep the place clean. He stated 
 that the trustees would not do their duty. There was not a single, bath in 
 the Institution. If a medical man orders a bath for a patient, he cannot get 
 it. They cannot get a bath unless they are moved down to tho celUir, ami 
 there turn out the washerwomen, and take one of their tubs. The.so state- 
 ments, in regard to Burns's treatment, and what I have Iutg stated, I am 
 willing to take my oath on in a Court of Justice. I don't think the term mor- 
 al pollution in the letter is applicable. I think the other statements in the 
 letter are true. In regard to the medical gentlemen in this Institution, some 
 of them come at II o'clock, and get through before we come here, because our 
 hour is 12 o'clock. Dr. Clarke has told the students attending this Hospital that 
 they should go to the trustees and demand their fee to be returned, for they 
 
 Edwin (joodman, 
 Henry. Hall, 
 John F.McKenric, 
 Wm. S. Hewat, 
 (iordon I. Kmery, 
 H. M. Wrong, 
 
 Isaac Ryall, 
 Arthur H.Paget, 
 Richard P.- Lewis, 
 Thos. J. Philip?. 
 Michael Lowlor, 
 N. O. Walker. 
 
t8 
 
 had no right to it when the medical gentlemen did not come t» give them In- 
 
 Btructlon. I understaml that th'iH subject waH brought under Dr. Widmer'fl no- 
 tice, and that Dr. Btsaumontsaid ho would uttond when hn liked. There aro sev- 
 eral students wbocoiild corroboriittj wlml I liavo «tattd, but they have not the 
 courage lodo ho, bocausi? Ilioy must iippoar before the Board for cxaminatioti 
 in another weult. With regard to tho cleiinliness of the Hospital, it is perhaps 
 OS clean us it can Ije Ijopt witli tlio means placed iii tlie clinposal of tho medi- 
 cal otllcer by tlio trustoeH. Hut at the same timu I have seen vermin ctawling 
 upon the patients. 
 
 Mr. Bowes hoie put several (|ueatiouH from the letter, whloh were briefly 
 anwored. 
 
 Mr. Lknkov. -Witli rcgfvrdto Dr. Clarl<o, T can only say that his treatment 
 of me hasb-en that of a gentleman, und lie lias always expronsed his desire 
 to do ariy thing in his powiU' to advance my knowleds*'- With regard to 
 the oflieers of the Institution, I never heard the matron's name till to-day. 
 With regard to female nurws. I think better nurses could not be obtained. 
 I have not heard any one spoken of e.\cept Hiir''^ and Mm. Douelly. 1 don't 
 think the man is incapable of (li.^icbargino; his duty; I think he could do 
 it flrst rate if he was kept iu subjection. 
 
 Dr. IIoDDER here said that he wished to make a remark or two. The yonng 
 man had stated that he (Dr. IfoJder) was present at the operation for fistula 
 by Dr. Aikius. Part of that was true, ft was tru'> he merely recommended 
 Dr. Aikius to cut a little deeper down and in all probal)ility ho would find the 
 urethra. It was true that he took the probe in his left hand and tried to fi'^d 
 out the passage, but Dr. Aikins did not feel as if inclined to cut deeper, and 
 he (Dr. Hodder) took up his hat and walked oQ'. Ho ilid not see the com- 
 mencement o. the operation. H(! only ?aw a small portion of it, and went 
 oil' when he saw Dr. Aikins unwilling to take any advice from him. With res- 
 pect to regula. ity of attendance, he belit-ved he could boast of having attend- 
 ed the Hospital more regularly than any other medical gentleman. This 
 winter, however, ho had had an attack of sciatica of a very acute kind, and 
 had been an iavaliJ. But wheu he found that ho was unable to attend the 
 Hospital, being often unable to rise from the sofa, he had got Dr. Beaumont 
 or Dr. Bo veil to see his patients for him. and bo was not aware that one single 
 patient committed to his care had failed to get all the advantages which the 
 IIo.9pital afi'ords. He wished the studoats to understand, however, that he 
 was noth ?re as a clinical instructor. He came hero simply to attend to sick 
 patients who were placed under his care, and did not come to give clinical 
 instruction at all. He did so for tho (irst year voluntarily, and he made no 
 distinction, between the students of one school and another. He told the 
 students if they wished his instructions he would be happy to give them, but 
 unfortunately a member of tho medical profession then in Toronto, who was 
 an editor of a journal, made some charges against the Hospital, and he [Dr. 
 
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 Hodder] lald If every little lap« waathus to be crltfcliied, ho, for one, would 
 Kive no further clinical instructions, he was not appointed lor that purpose 
 by the trustee!), and he did not [titend to d.^ h>, lie merely raenlioued theHe 
 thlngH to prevent any further aUusiou U) that part of the duty. 
 
 Dr. AiKiNH wished to correc r>r. Hodder upon one point. llaviiiK made 
 HOino remarks in regard to the cane of fistula i« j^sr/uo, ho Htated thai. th<» 
 young lad was Hontin from Lloydtowa, by l>r. IJull. and thai lio (Dr. Aikinn,) 
 dirocied Dr. (^larke to call a consultation upon the case, ^t that consul- 
 tation, Dr. Ilodder, Dr. BovoU, and Dr. Telfer weio present. Dr. Hodder 
 did come in subsetinently, when he was operating, and at Dr. llodder's ad- 
 vice, he [Dr. AHvins] cut a little deeper than he intended. He denied the 
 statement, that any want of respect was shown to Dr. Hodder, the reverse 
 was the case. After cousiderablo perseverance, ho [Dr. Aik ins] succeeded 
 in the cure, and he was told by Dr. Clarke, that he was the lirst who had 
 Bucceeded in curing that disease in the Hospital [All this was a sort of In- 
 terlude, while Mr. Leunon was still standing.] 
 
 Mr. BowK:i,— Then your charge against the trustees is, lirst, that thf hiedi- 
 cal officers appointed by them to attend to the Hospital, have not attended 
 regularly. 
 
 Mr. Lknnox— V'es— and furthermore that the patients are not, by any 
 means, so clean as they might be, if proper means were used 
 
 Dr.Cr.AUKi:.— Have you ever known rac, or do you think 1 would allow 
 any person in a situation under me. commit a single act of cruelty to the 
 poorest person in the Hospital, who had come in under my charge .' 
 
 Mr. Lkn'N'ov.— You have always acted as a gentleman towards mc. and you 
 have done tiie same to the other sludent^^. The case of tooth-drawing how- 
 ever, came under your notice, and the other case of harsh treatment by 
 Burns, if you did not see it, it is strange to mo . 
 
 Dr. CiARKK. — Did any person ever say they knew mc to commit an act of 
 cruelty to any patient in the Hospital ? 
 
 Mr. Lkxnon.— I am satisfied you are incapable of committing an act of 
 cruelty yourself. 
 
 Dr Clirkk. — Had the thing been reported to me at the time, I immediately 
 would have dismissed bim. As regards the woman up stairs, I would only 
 say, we are all liable to commit faults. 
 
 Mr. Lenkov. — That man, Burns, when he knew that I was to give evidence 
 against him. set himself up before mo, and with a most contemptible leer 
 looked me right in the face, and tried to get some of the other students to 
 raise a laugh against me. 
 
 Samdel H. Jacksov, a coloured man. — I was a patient iu the liospital. 1 
 was in three or four days without getting anything to eat. On the fourth 
 
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 day after I was taken in, I aeked Br. Clarke the privilege of going out. I 
 went ont and got a loaf of bread. Wbon 1 was returning, Dr. Aikins overtook 
 me and asked me why I was out. I fold him that I was starving and had 
 gone out to look for something to eat. Dr Aiklns said it was very great care- 
 lessness on the part of the nurse. With that Mr. Burns and Mrs. Donnelly, 
 the doctor's leader, went and told him [Dr Clarke] that! was goingto break 
 their heads. The doctor comes up and soys : jou are very rude, and make 
 a good deal of disturbance ; you cannot stop liere : yon have disobeyed the 
 orders of the hospital. 1 told him that I was so hungry I could stop no lon- 
 ger without something to eat. So 1 was turned out. I did not think it right, 
 but Mrs. Donnelly, the doctor's leader, stood there and prompted him. I 
 went back again in about five weeks after, but the doctor was unwilling to 
 let me in. I told him J was accused wrongly before, and by the persuasion 
 of some of the doctors ho allowed me to come in. While there the building 
 i-';ot on Arc because somebody had shut the stove damper and opened the door 
 while Ihe stove was full of wood. The nur.se jumped on me and said this 
 ,1 — ! — (I nigger ought to have his head cutoff, 1 had nothing to do with 
 the fire, but they said this to raise the doctor against rae. When I saw this 
 I went up stairs, because I saw the doctor and Mrs. Donnelly were all one. 
 
 Mr. Bowes— Did you ever see Mrs. Donnelly drunk ? 
 
 Jackso.n — T have seen her in such a state tliat I thought she was drunk. 
 I saw Mrs. Donnelly one day when throe or four people came in and brought 
 in a flask with them, and they sat down and divided the stuff that was in it 
 among them. I did not tell Dr. Clarke, because 1 comidcred Dr. Clarke and 
 Mrs. Donnelly were both my enemies. 
 
 Seth Phillips, a coloured man. — J have been in the hospital for four or 
 live months. 1 was under Mrs. Donnelly. I have nothing more to say than 
 that I was never better trt'uted than by Dr. Clarke. I was under Dr. Hodder> 
 I know that Dr. Hodder did not neglect me. 
 
 [Phillips here related yome transactions that had taken place between Jack- 
 son and himself, to shew tliat the evidence of Jackson was not to be credited. 
 He then .stated that he had never nau jMrs, Donnelly take a drop of liquor 
 in his life, and he was at least throe months under j\Irs. Donnelly's care.] 
 
 The Chaikman. — If there is any other person present who can give us any 
 information in this matter, let hiui couio forward. 
 
 Robert Campbkll. — I am a senior student of Medicine I have not taken 
 out a ticket for the hospital ibr this year. I come here, however, occasion- 
 ally. I ouly come forward at this time, voluntarily of course, to say that I 
 have seen the transactions which Mr. Dixon has stated in the letter. In re- 
 gard to the mau that was l>leil, I saw Burns take tiie water and dash it upon 
 him. He then took him forcibly by the shoulder?' and dragged him out of 
 the door and laid him upon the verandah Th<' water was in such a large 
 quantity that it deluged the man all over 
 
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 In reply to Dr. Ootter, who gave a practical illustration of how he would 
 treat such a patient. Mr. Campbell said, that may be Dr. Cotters aystem, 
 but I wish to state that the man was handled very roughly, and the manner of 
 lifting him was very harsh. I was present at the time when the stu- 
 dents went into the room, when Mrs. Douaelly carafi up and talked to the 
 young student. I thinlc her conduct to that young man was rather rough and 
 abusive. I would not have put up with it. [ cannot: substantiate the charges 
 of moral pollution contained in Mr. Dixon's letter, i have seen nothing that 
 I disapproved of unless these two incidents which I have mentioned. 
 
 G. W. Bingham — I am a senior student. I had a ticket out for the Hospital 
 last winter, and I came into town in the fall with the intention of taking out 
 a ticket for this winter. Bu*, when I went home after having walked through 
 some of the wards I found lice upon my clothes. I was very much disap 
 pointed at this, but rather than subject myself to that annoyance, I deprived 
 myself of the pleasure and the advantage of attending the Hospital, so I have 
 not done so this winter. While I did attend the Hospital, I received the im- 
 pression that the students of the Toronto School of Medicine were unjustly 
 treated. I formed this impression from the general bearing of the profes- 
 sors. Others of the students have stated the same thing. I think there is 
 great partiality shown both by the officers of the Institution and by the pro- 
 fessors to the other students. I do not know that I could name any one stu- 
 dent who told me of this. It seemed the general impression that there was great 
 partiality shown to the students of Triulty College. I never saw anything 
 objectionable in regard to Dr. Clarke. I never saw any thing immoral in re- 
 gard to the Institution. I can, however, endorse the statement in regard to 
 vermin. I think the way in which Mr. Dixon has written, is comparatively, 
 but I cannot say what the general appearance of other Hospitals is, compared 
 with this one. I have not attended the Hospital this winter, I have never 
 heard complaints from patients themselves, but I have heard them from those 
 stndents who visited the Hospital. 
 
 Dr. Clarke here held up a ticket which had been made out at Mr. Bing- 
 ham's request, but he had not called for it. 
 
 Mr. Bingham said, the Trustees would see his reason for taking out the 
 ticket was, that he required a year's Hospital ticket at the school. He had 
 not attended regularly and for the reasons he had &'ated. 
 
 John G. Gray. — I am a senior student. Ifc has been frequently stated to m e 
 by the students that they consider the Hospital very dirty. This was my con- 
 viction, from the first day I entered it. For the first two months, I attended 
 regularly ; that Dr. Clarke knows well, But I stated to him that it was not 
 worth my while attending this Hospital, because it was only wasting my 
 time. A friend of mine came to town, and he thought of stopping here ; but 
 I advised him to go on to Montreal, as I thought the facilities for studp- ' ^ 
 were much better there than in this institution. I was, for f^even month A- 
 
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 tending Montreal Hospital, and I would certainly say that this Hospital, in 
 comparisoa with the Montreal Hospital, is very dirty. I did not think it my duty 
 to call Dr. Clarke's attention to the filthy state of the institution. I stated to 
 Dr. Olarke that I did not think it was my duty to attend the Hospital at all, 
 because the medical officers did not come here at the regular hour. I haye 
 come here at the regular hour every day for a week, and have not found 
 any of the medical attendants present ; and, therefore, I was deprived of the 
 advantages of medical practice. I don't know how many physicians there 
 are in this Hospital. Dr. Wright may be receiving physician for one week, 
 and in that time he may receive a number of patients ; but before his time 
 of receiving comes round again, a great many may be admitted by the other 
 medical gentlemen, and consequently we never see those patients at all when 
 the physician under whose care they are placed is not present. My objection 
 on this head, then, is — that the medical attendants do not come at a proper 
 time, to meet the convenience of the students. In regard to the management 
 of the hospital, I may state that, one week, when Dr. Wright was receiving- 
 physician, a young woman came from Oakville, labouring under some syphil- 
 litic disease, as I thought. She asked for Dr. Aikins. I said that it was Dr. 
 Wright's week to receive patients. I did not think it was any harm to speak 
 to her, and I questioned her until I found out that I was correct in the opinion 
 I had formed. While speaking to her, Dr. Clarke came up, and said, "Come 
 here, you,-' pointing to the young woman. He brought her into this room, 
 and locked the door — for what purpose I don't know. I had told her by this 
 time that Dr. Wright was the receiving physician for that week, and that she 
 would bo put under his care. I did think at the time, that Dr. Clarke was 
 rather out of place in the way he treated me. I found out after that the pa- 
 tient was put under Dr. Bovell. 
 
 Dr. CiARKE here stated that he remembered the case well, and that it was 
 Dr. BoveU's week as receiving physician. 
 
 Witness. — I declare that Dr. Wright was the admitting physician for the 
 wneK, and that Dr. Clarke had no right to put that patient under Dr. BoveU's 
 charge, or that of any other but Dr. Wright. 
 
 Dr. Clarke said if he got a note from any person to put a patient under 
 the care of such and such a one he generally did so, and it was possible that 
 this patient had a line. 
 
 Witnens. — I consider that the patient could know nothing'.at all about Dr. 
 Bovell, and could not have a line to him because she asked for Dr. Aikins. 
 To show that Dr Clarke did not think the Hospital worth attendance, he has 
 frequently given the students a certified ticket for a year's attendance when 
 they had not attended six months. 
 
 Dr. Clabkk. — I have already certified to students for. this winter before the 
 1st of April,^because I consider that five months' attendance out of six is good 
 attendance. 
 
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 "" Mr. Bowes. What have you to say ahont the immorality practised in the 
 lostitutioB. 
 
 Witneas. If it is proved that the nurse wa^i in the habit of cursing and 
 swearing at patients, I think that is[sufficient proof of immorality. I saw Burns 
 one day give a patient a slap on the side of the head. I never saw any of 
 them drank. I have seen the clothes of the bed very dirty somctimeR. 
 
 Mr. Bowes. — Was it uncleanness in the sheets, or general uncleanness. 
 
 Witntss. — It arose from general uncleanness. 
 
 Dr. Hallowell begged leave, before they proceeded further, to call the 
 attention of the trustees to one particular feature that had characterized the 
 whole of the proceedings of the day. He would premise that he did not be- 
 long to the Hospital, and had no interest in it, either directly or indirectly 
 except being connected with Trinity College, and hrtving his colleagues ex 
 officio conaected with the Hospital, and therefore the remarks he was going 
 to make might have perhaps some slight degree of weight. Ho would say 
 that the first attack made upon the Hospital — whether borne out by facts or 
 not, the evidence will eventually show — had been commenced at the in- 
 stance of, and by on« of the students of a certain school ef medicine in this 
 city. It appeared to him, and he had paid the greatest attention to the pro- 
 ceedings, that the whole of the evidence had been one sided. The ] accusa- 
 tions had come from a student of this school of medicine, and all the witnesses 
 that had been brought forward to attempt to sustain these charges were 
 from the same school. He did not stand there to impugn the testimony of 
 any of these students. He was willing to allow that testimony its due weight. 
 That given by Mr. Lennon especially, had been that of a straight forward 
 Englishmaoi [A Student, — Mr. Lennon is an Irishmaa.] What he wished to 
 convey was that the evidence had been given in a regular John Bull style. 
 and he believed that the Irishman was quite as straight forward. But it was 
 a remarkable feature in the proceedings that not a single particle of testimo- 
 ny hsid been adduced by any single witness from any other school. Why was 
 this? It appeared to him that there was a degree of jealousy at the bottom 
 of it all. He would do the gentleman, ( Mr. Dixon, ) the justice to say, that his 
 statements were equally straigtforward with those of Mr. Lennon, but he be- 
 lieved that Mr. Dixon, had he been left to his own judgment would never have 
 penned the:letter which appeared in the public prints. (Cheers and hisses.) It 
 was his firm conviction that Mr. Dixon, now regretted the false position in 
 which he had placed himself, and that if he spoke the truth ho would say that 
 he had been brought forward by other people to make these charges. [Hisses 
 and cheers.] There was an influence of that kind brought to bear upon him 
 That was his own opinion, and he believed it was shared by several gentle, 
 men of the same profession present. [Hisses and cheers.] 
 
 Mr. Gbi-t. — Dr. Hallowell, from what he has said, would leave the audience 
 to infer that all those who had spoken here to-day — exceptjMr. Lennon and 
 Mr. Dixon — have not spoken the truth. 
 
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 Dr. HALLOWEi.Ti rose to explain— when— 
 
 Mr. Bowks expressed his regret that Dr. Hallowell had made the remarks 
 which had fallen from him. He regretted that any rivalry should exist be- 
 tween the different schools of medicine ; but he beliovoil that Mr. Dixon re- 
 gretted he )iad put forward so strong language when he has not been able to 
 substantiate it by evidence. There was not a tittle of evidence to show that 
 the Toronto Hospital is a ''house of sin.-' or that the servants, or the matron 
 are unworthy of being classed with honest women. The charges of delin 
 quency are very sweeping and if not substantiated by evidence, Mr. Dixon 
 will of course bo bound to answer for them. 
 
 Dr. Hallowklt. said in his remarks he had alluded to the letter that ap- 
 peared in the Colonist, signed a "Medical Student." He had said that Mr. Dix- 
 on regretted that that letter was written ; and he (Dr. Hallowell) believed 
 Brmly, and it was the belief of nine-tenths of the community, that Mr. Dixou 
 was brought forward by others to make these charges. 
 
 Mr. Bentlky.— Dr. Hallowell has here stated that Mr. Dixon was urged 
 by either parties to write that letter, and ho (Dr. Hallowell) lays the blame 
 upon those connected with the Toronto school of Medicine. 
 
 Dr. Hallowkt.i,. — I have laid no blame, I have made no accusation ; but I 
 have heard my colleagues spoken of in a very disparaging way and I hare a 
 right to stand. up in their behalf. 
 
 Mr. Brxtley.— It was necessary to suppose that so far as the witnesses 
 could be brought forward, they must be from amongst the medical students ; 
 and they could not expect them from the students of Trinity , College. 
 
 Dr. Hallowell. — Why not? 
 
 Mr. Bentlky.— Simply because of that letter in the Coioniat a day or 
 two ago, which is endorsed by a number of the students of Trinity College, 
 It has been said by Mr. Lennon that five, at least, of these names were 
 put there without the consent of the students. 
 
 Dr. Hallowell. — That does not affect thequestion at all. 
 
 Mr. Bkxtley. — Does it not, when the names of the Students of a certain 
 college are brought forward to take a certain side, without their consent or 
 concurrence. If any individual from that college was willing to come forward 
 to substantiate the truth of the charges made by Mr. Dixon, it is very easy to 
 see that he could not come, for the influence of that school would be exert- 
 ed to prevent him coming forward. He wished to say that he had, much 
 against his wishes and contrary to his intentions, occupied some of the time 
 of th(^ meeting, but he was not aware that such statements were to be made. 
 
 The Chairman horH stated that the trustees had nothing whatever to do 
 with the jealousies that existed between the schools. He regretted that it 
 should exist, but at th<> same time, the trustees were not to be blamed for 
 
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 that- He was conTinced that it would be borne out by the evidence that the 
 trustees bad uo partiality la the matter there were three colleges he be liovcd 
 in the city ; aua thoy had selected two medical jjentleraen from each of the 
 schools as the way which seemed heat fitted to give impartiality to all. 
 
 Mr. BENTLKr considered it of the utmost importance that the head of Ibi.i 
 institution should have the same spirit of impartiality. He had heard that 
 Dr. Olarke had shown greai partiality to the students of Trinity College 
 and wished to ask Mr. Lennon this one quention. — Uavc you ever heard Dr. 
 Olarke declare that he uned his influence in favour of any particular medical 
 chool. 
 
 Mr- Lki«n<»n. — A circumstance occurred to me while speaking, but I did not 
 then mention it. But the impression upon my mind in that Dr, Clarke was 
 overhauling Mr. Bovell about his non-attendance at Trinity .College, and he 
 i<aid to Dr. Bovell, that he (Dr. Clarke) was doing all he could for Trinity 
 College —that he had sent up students often to Trinity ('ollc^e, Init that thiy 
 never could see him (Dr. Bovell.) He would, however, continue to do all 
 he could for Trinity College. 
 
 Dr. Cli-Rkk.— I always will support Trinity College, because it wus my 
 alma mater in the old country, and more than that, it is a college founded on 
 the religion T profess— the Establishod Church of England, and lam not 
 ashamed to confess ray partiality for that church. 
 
 Mr. BowKs.— I don't think that because Trinity College is founded upon 
 the religion you profess, that therefore you should show auy partiality in this 
 Institution. 
 
 Dr. Ci..\RKB, (warmly). — There is another thing iiir. 1 consider the Medical 
 Staff of Trinity College the most efficient in Upper Canada. I consider it the 
 most perfect staff in Upper Canada for this reason, every chair is tilled by a 
 professor who is admitted by the students of all the schools to be an able man_ 
 
 Mr. Bentlet.— That may be all very true, but 1 still hope that the Medical 
 Superintendent of an Institution like this should be as free from bias as iios* 
 aible, and if he has auy bias he should endeavour to keep it to himself. 
 
 The Chairman- — The thing is. has Dr. Clarke not done his duty, and have 
 the sevants of this Institution not done their duty? 
 
 Dr, Hallowell, — Before any I'urthcr evidence is taken, he begged leave 
 to ask one question, Mr. Gray had either stated broadly or insinuated what 
 ever interpretation may bo put upon it, that Dr. Clarke brought a patient into 
 this room for purposes of which he was not cognizant but he was convinced 
 that it was for the purpose of influencing that patient to put herself under 
 the care of Dr. Eovell or V':. Hodder, instead of under th<; professors of the 
 Toronto School of Medicine. He begged to ask Mr. Gray if he (Dr. Hallo- 
 well) was correct in the impression he had i'ormed. 
 
 Mr. Gkat.— you are perfectly correct I believe he did.| 
 
Dr. Hallowell.— Then, Mr. Chairman, I beg to call upon Dr. Clarke, 
 through you, to answer interested, as we all are in the welfare of this Institu- 
 tion, first, did Dr. Clarke thns influence this patient alluded to, and, second, 
 if he ever influenced other patieuts to apply to other medical men than the 
 legitimate admitting physician for the week ? If he did so, then with all due 
 deference to Dr. Clarke, unless he can give this meeting satisfactory reasons 
 for recommending a patient or patients to go to one professional gentleman 
 in preference to another he is not fitted for the situation he holds. He would 
 therefore put Ihese two questions to Dr. Clarke. 
 
 Dr. Clabeg said he could solemnly say that he had never influenced a 
 patient admitted into this hospital, but had always left them to the medical 
 officer for the week to do as they thought proper. If, however, a patient 
 brought a note from any medical officer to be put under his charge, he did 
 so, and patients had been sent in that way frequently. 
 
 Mr. Gray. — Dr. Clarke has said he never influenced any patient. How did 
 it happen that this patient to whom he had before alluded was not put under 
 Dr. Wright's care. The patient, he could safely say had not heard of Dr. 
 Bovell, she enquired for Dr Aikins, and when told that Dr. Wright was the 
 admitting physician for the week, she was contented to be put under Dr. 
 Wright's care, yet after all she was put in Dr. Bovell's list. She had been 
 recomended to Dr. ^.ikins, and, he would venture to say, knew nothing at all 
 about Dr. Bovell, and it was Dr. Wright's week for receiving patients. How 
 did it come that she was handed over to Dr. Bovell ? He could not help say- 
 ing that he believed Dr. Clarke did influence her. 
 
 Mr. Lknkon said that he romemhered very well the patient was put under 
 Dr. Bovell's care, for he had visited her with Dr. Bovell. 
 
 Dr. OiiAKEE denied most positively that he had ever influenced any pa- 
 tient 
 
 Dr. Bovell hero disclaimed the idea of Dr. Clarke influencing any patient 
 to be put under his care. 
 
 Mr. Bbntley considered that the evidence was sufHcient to eatablish the 
 fact that influence hud been used. Ttiis wns clear. The woman came in, 
 a'iked for Dr. Aikins, it was Dr. Wright's admitting week, and yet the patient 
 18 placed under Dr. Bovell. This to him was quite sufficient. 
 
 Dr. BoTRLL presumed that the patient must have been sent in expressly 
 for that purpose, for if a patient brought a letter to Dr. Aikins or Dr Wright in 
 his admitting week ho generally handed them over. 
 
 Dr. Clarke said that this was the first time he had been accused of show, 
 ing partiality. 
 
 Mr. Grat. — I heard that partiality was general here before the time that 
 this woman came. 
 
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 Mr. Castlkman— 1 cannot say much about this affair. I know that Burnn'rt 
 mariner wafl in general very rough, but 1 can give you no particular iri- 
 ptancL'S of it. He was always vcrj rude in language, aiici harsh in niacucrs. 
 In regard to pulling tfeth, I hapfenedto be here upon one occasion, in Dr. 
 Beaumont's week. After the Dr. hod left, a man can^o in with his face niuch 
 swoHen, and ashed if I would pull a tooth for liini ; I told himl trould teo 
 Or. Clarke and get the inBtrument»>. I went to Dr. Ckrkb, and asked fortho in- 
 struments. He said there was Lomoiti Ict^th to be pulled in the Bo^piial, ti>iy 
 must goto the dentists. The patient had consequently to go away witlioui 
 getting his tooth drawn. I have no hesitatioii in sayir.g that Dr Clarke's g(-i>- 
 era! conduct is very gentlemanly. But, I do not think he had a right to refuse 
 the instruments upon that occasion. The rooms of the Hospital, 1 tclif'vv, 
 have bet^i kept as clean ns thty could be under the circumstanctn. The ft- 
 raalH rurseshave generally been very kind ; and Burus, since th<! occurrf^iicn 
 with Mr. Lennon, has changed his depnunoent a liule. Until thiK winicr 
 the btndents of thf Toronto School ofMcdiciHe iiuvo l{tlior||d under tveiy 
 disadvantage. They wcie afraid to vnay anything Hgaiu&t the HoBpitnl, for 
 fear of being plucked at their i':<bniiiiation, but they have a charter uovt of 
 their own, and were indepcnd^-nt, of the Medical Board altogether. 
 
 As it was now 6 o'clock the Investigation was adjourned until the follow- 
 ing day at noon. 
 
Fbidat, 30th March, 1855. 
 The examination wan reeniueil thin day shortly after 12 o'clock. Dr. Wid- 
 raer occupied the Obttir for a short lime, as ho had doue ou the prsvious day 
 and again gave place tu Mr. Heaty who preaided to the oloso of the InveS' 
 tigatioD. 
 
 Before the investigation opened, Mr.Uixon was asked tosign the evidence he 
 had given on the previous day. This he refused tu do because he considered 
 there were various statements ntuilted, in consequence of which a different 
 colouring was given to the evidence from that which ho intendsd. Had all 
 hin evidence been taken down iio would not have refused to sign it. 
 
 Mr. Bowks ^presented the imprudence of such a course. The Trusteed 
 had sat the whole day to hear evidence to substantiate the statements made 
 in that letter, of which be acknowledged himself the author, and every opp«r- 
 luuity was given him to study whatever he had to say against the Institution 
 it was very uufair in him to refuse to sign the statements he had made, and 
 tlien ill a measure render all their labour in vain . 
 
 Mr. Lknkox said that the investigation was not properly conducted, and 
 Mr. Sheriff .larvis had told them so yesterday, and had left the room because 
 Mr. Dixon was not getting fair play. 
 
 Mr Bbnti.kv also made some remarks in regard to the way in which the 
 ill vestigation was continued. 
 
 Mr. Bbatv and Mr. Bowes contended that the course pursued by the Trus- 
 tees was a proper one, and that Liiey had a right to insist upon Mr Dizon '« 
 signing his evidence. 
 
 Mr. Okay who had given evidence on the previous day in regard to Dr 
 Clarke having influenced a patient to put herself under Dr. Bovell's care, re- 
 iterated a portion of it and stated his conviction that the patient had no 
 letter of recommendation to any pbysiciau. She enquired for Dr. Aikins 
 and having been told by him that it was Dr. Wright's week, she seemed 
 satisfied to be put under his care . 
 
 Dr. Clarke said he was convinced when the statement was made on the 
 previous day that he would be able to shew by his books that the young 
 gentleman was in error. He would be sorry to impute motives to Mr. Gray- 
 but his unguarded statement yesterday had hurt him (Dr, Clarke) very much, 
 Dr. Clarke hero produced the Hospital book and said he was prepared to shW 
 by it as well aa by the Dr's that this patient was admitted in Dr. Telfer's 
 week and not Dr. Wright'0. Dr. Aikins'a week commenced on the 23rd Oct. 
 
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 Dr Wrif^ht's week came next, and was suoeeeded by Dr. Telfer'« who atten- 
 • lod the Hofipital from the 8th Nov. tn the lOth whsn ho was tabmi sick and 
 hU plflce was supplied by Dr. Bovell. On the next day, the 11th Nov., that 
 young woman was admitted into the Hospital, «Tid cnnspquently placed 
 under Dr. Uovell's care who was oHiciating in the ubspnce of Dr. Telferj 
 Dr. Clarke here produced Dr. Bovell's book and also the diet roll to show 
 that they coincided with his own book. Dr. Bovoll and Dr. (traiit could 
 testify to this also, for they were in the room when ho v/.is oxn-.nininp: the 
 patient. 
 
 Mr. Lenmon contended that Dr. Bovell did not appear ii» ihe Hospital 
 that day, and that the patient was taken into the Board room while npenk- 
 ing to him, and that the impression on his mind at the time van, thut the 
 patient was influenced, and he had seen no reason to change hiii opinion. 
 
 Dr. Grant recoUectod perfectly that Dr. Bovell and he wero in th'.s room 
 at the time alluded to. 
 
 Some little recrimination was displayed in regard to the time at which 
 the entries were made, and the amount of weight to be put upon them ns re- 
 gards the date. Mr. Gray contending that sometimes the patient's names 
 were not entered in the books for a week after they had come into th« 
 Hospital. 
 
 Dr. Olaree stated that his own book was made up daily and therefore 
 such an inaccuracy could not occur, although he was aware at the »&rae time 
 that sometimes several weeks elapsed before the patients were entered on tite 
 Dr'g books. 
 
 Mr. FiTZOEBALD here stated that he had come her« to discharge a public 
 duty; he had been called away upon business, and would endeavor to be buck 
 as soon as possible. 
 
 Dr. WaioHT said he would take the liberty of making a sufrgestion : Mr. 
 Gray had given evidence to a matter of fact, and he believed that he was 
 willing to swear to it. He had goae as far as ho (Dr. "Wright) conceived 
 it was necessary for him to go, in fact as far as it was in l.is power, and 
 there was no necessity for disputing about dates to disprove that statement 
 for they could not do it. 
 
 Mr. Djxox said he remembered Mr. Gray some length of time ago meu- 
 tioningthe circumstance to the students of the Toronto t^chool. He lucntiontd 
 it also to Dr. Aikins at the same time. 
 
 Dr. Grant asked if it was not ridiculous to thiuk that Dr. Clarke <vould 
 put down n wrong date. Ht! was there himself when Dr. Clarke cailod Dr. 
 Bovell into the room to see the patient. 
 
 The Chairman. — We will now proceed in order. We have got Mr. Gray's 
 evidence and Dr. Clarke had produced bis books which contrawlicied that 
 evidence. We will proceed with any other testimony. 
 
u^. 
 
 Dr. OooiN having been calli^d upou said, if they winhed himjito speak to 
 
 any puiitl, (jerhapH it would lie belUir i>u pui. qunatiuua t'> him, 
 
 Mr. Bbntley su^^gevtod that he should proceed an the othera had doiiM. 
 Jr. OuoEX. — I wi'ih to Mtate at tho outnet that i am not in connexion with 
 ttiy of thoSchuuU of Medicine that have boon namud. It has been »aid that 
 all tho eviiience was froraone side. So for us J have anything to say, it 
 would not pounder the flame category I havo heen fivo years practising 
 medicine. J have been in the HoHpital occasionally, and have observed two 
 or throR ol the servauts treat the paliente very cruelly. One of these was the 
 Orderly, Burns, and another, viz, Mr.". D<>nelly, The oih'^r servants 1 have 
 alwaji* considered very attentive. I have heard Burns make u«« of pro- 
 fane and vulgar langua^ie — Jant;;uac;o immoral in the extreme. I was speak- 
 ing to a student in the hull one day, and when I stepped into the Surgery, 
 Burns came in and made use of language the most vulgar — nnch language as 
 you could scarcely hear in the lowest bar-room in Toronto. He made use of 
 the language while asking a que.slion about the young man, and the language 
 was eo vulgar that I turned away in disgust, That is all I know of theser- 
 vants. With regard to the nUendance of tho modical men, I have come here 
 tor the purpose ot goin^ round with the inndical ofRcers. As I am a young 
 man, I wish to get as much experieiice as I can. I have been here at the 
 hour specified, and havo been tol.l that I he physician had been here, and had 
 gone by eleven o'clock ; and, at other tinicH, 1 have been told that they did 
 not coBoe till three o'clock. As regards cleanliness, I have heard students 
 who have attended other ho-pitalfl, Pay, tht re is no comparison t? regards 
 cleanlineHS between this and other hospit.d:^. I havo taken patients from 
 here when their wen? covered from head to font with lice ; you would not 
 have found a square inch upou their body that was not covered. This was 
 however, from six to feevea jcars ago when 1 attended regularly. 1 do not 
 know so much about it afc present. I don't think however, that the beds are 
 as clean as they ought to be. 
 
 Mr. BowBS. — The sheets you know are brown cotton. 
 
 Dr. Ogden.— No—tbey are white cotton sheets, turned brown by dirt. As 
 regards immorality. I think there is sufficient evidence of that ; at least if you, 
 Mr. Bowes, were to use such languuge as I have heard u«ed in the institution,?! 
 would say you were a very im moral man. 
 
 Dr. BfiAUAio.xT thought that language might be considered immoral by one 
 that was not considered so by olheis. They could only judg-e of it by hearing the 
 expressions used. He would therefore request the gentleman to repeat the 
 language used. 
 
 Dr. Oqden said he could not unless the women were first told to leave the 
 room. 
 
 This having been done, Dr. Ogoen repeated the vulgar language used, and 
 asked Beaumont if he was satisfied i satisfaction he migh at least have spared 
 
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 hi* andience, it he had no regard lor hin own leelin^n. Rui prejudiCA, r)lt«u 
 blinda tbe bent of men. 
 
 E. W. GusTiN. — 1 attended tlie Hospital ru^ularly betoie the OhriitCniB* 
 holidays. Thw in my third session, Upon .several ot-rasjons 1 have «eei» Lhe 
 Orderly, Burns, abuse the patients that have to come hern to be treated. I 
 myself have said to the students that if a patient whom 1 l;nevv was coming herd 
 to be treated and used in the same way that 1 saw oihery uned, i would cause 
 an investigation to be made to And out the reason why he was allowed to go un 
 thus. Upon several occasions I have seen Mrs. Donelly in the ward above, 
 abuse tue patients; and I have, upon more occasions than one, left the Hospital 
 under the conviction that she was under the i-iiluence of liquor. 1 lutvo seen 
 vermin creeping over the patients here, and I think it is owing to the Hospital not 
 being supplied with baths ; this 1 have seen occasionally. 1 have setni patients 
 so filthy that I passed them without examining them, although anxious to do so. 
 1 have seen Burns abuse patients on several occasions ; I cannot at present men« 
 tion instances. I did not report it to Dr. Olarke. This is my third session of 
 ttttending the Hospital, 1 attended Trinity College last year. 1 havo heard 
 groups of persons frequently irom both institutions, say that the management ot 
 the Hospital was not what it s.houid be, and that students did not receive thn 
 instructiona in the Hospital they expected, and thought they were entitled to , 
 in consequence of the attending physicians not being forward at the hour fixed 
 for the students. I heard it said, both at Trinity College and in the Universityi 
 that the Hospital was a dirty place. Several of the students of Trinity College 
 1 know would be well plea.sed if some different arrangement could be made, so 
 that they might be enabled to derive the advantages which the Hospital in cal- 
 culated to give, in the way of increasing their knowledge. 
 
 The Chairman. — Can you give the names of those patients you mxw so 
 tilUiy that you would not examine them ? 
 
 Mr. GusTiN. — No, I do not remember their names. I am certain thai thd 
 vermin were not occasioned by a skin diaease, but that if they had had a liiti.' 
 soap and water they could have been cleaned, 
 
 S. Secord. — As regards the cleanliness of the Hospi^^l, 1 can say I havo 
 seen the bed-clothes in a very filthy condition, not on account o( the particular 
 disease of the patients, but on account of the scarcity of soap and water. I hav«.' 
 not attended the Hospital very regularly ; I do not consider it worth wasting 
 my time upon, as the physicians are seldom to be seen ; I have been a student 
 of medicine four years, and have been in the Hospital \ery often ; I have seen 
 beds in a filthy condition, both upstairs and down stairs. 1 did not report this 
 to Dt Clarke ; 1 have taken out a ticket for the course ; I have seen very rough 
 usage to patients coming here, but I don't know that I could call it cruelty. 
 1 don't know how often I have attended during this last session ; I may have 
 attended twenty times ; but I have attended sufficiently often to see that the 
 Hospital is, in my opinion, mismanaged. 
 
Robbut Em«ht.— I have attcndeH the Hoapital a year ; my year wai up laat 
 
 Ocfobf>r : I hovo mpvh lire upon tli»» piiiitrits fre(|iiently ; some of the medical 
 /i?entl»>mati passt'(| the remark that they wcie ronntri -irritants. It was fn airs. 
 Dorully's w.ud Ihiit I have obsiMV»'(l ihe lii-o. The o'.her wards have heen com- 
 |>tualively cl»'an, so l.ir as 1 have «een ; I have hi'urd Dr. Bovell call upon Mrs. 
 Donnelly a tilitrrtnt timen to inqniii* abiiit ilip patients during the ni(;ht, and 
 he lianlly cvrv jiot asatisluCory answer iVom her and, he would have to refer 
 In patif-nlK in acljoininji beds to g»'t informati.n. On one occasion Dr. Bovell 
 j'pqnired why ttie brandy or(l<'red to his patient had not been given, and he 
 will ti)ld that till i« was no brandy; and he had to i-end out lor it himself for 
 th« patient; Ihuve seen Burns t'requenliy shove th.? patients, both male and 
 female, about in a very roui^h manlier; I huard it remarked by physicians that 
 he was an old soldi<!r and was only fit to be amongst soldiers; I havo seldom 
 walked tho other wanls, but tliny appeared clean when compared with Mrs. 
 Donnelly's; I did not call Dr Clarke's attention to it. 
 
 Ml'. Bextley said ho wishod to put a f «r questions Id Mr. Leniion if the 
 Chairman would permit. D ) you know .•my one iu indigent circumstaoceH 
 who refused to go io thn Hnuital, in c ,>i4cquuace of the treatment they 
 thouglit they would jjet. 
 
 Mr. Lk^.vo.x — I w.ij rt.'quos'oil by a l:idy to visit a Hlrk person, and did so ; 
 and aff'T i-ctMriff iUv, diHtress iti which tliu poraoii was, I said tho best thing 
 thfttcoul-l bu done WHS to havn the pit lent, removed l* i.he Hospital, as she was 
 lyiijf; upon tho diimp floor upon ii mimirablo siiraw hod. [ stated that if she 
 would t?o, I Would eidi avour lo »; t a medi al laaii lo nttend her. But the 
 way in which Home of her frieu'is li.id boon ireatcd — I think her husband- 
 prevented her from goin^. l h.ivo lioard <ithor persona .^ay they would rather 
 die than come to tho Hospital. 
 
 Mr. Bextley.— Havo joii known any of the nikdical gentlemen preHcribe 
 for til.; putitiut.'Si and not get what tiiey <u*'.lorcd'{ 
 
 Mr. Lr.v.vox — I heard Dr. Uovell fioquiiiilly pr^rcribo brandy, and upon 
 one oi:c?i.4isn when Dr. Clarku f^aid l.htir was no brandy, Dr. Bovt-U turned 
 round and said, "Cliiike, by Jovo, I will kuvo the H spital if I don't get the 
 nfuiedies I prescribe to my patients," 
 
 Mr. BENTLKY.— Have you seen any of ibe tiervantM of the Institution, at any 
 rime, under the influence of liquor ? 
 
 Mr. LENNori. — The only parson I have si-en under Iho iufluti.ce of liquor, 
 wtis tho resident rtinvenu. 1 saw );im on two occa-^ious, when he was in that 
 state. I cousiiier thai, on tiu liiHt occihioh, he way so ha 1 thao lie was not 
 til to appear in public. The next tiixe^ he was tulkin-s' a't.out unii.g his influ- 
 ence in favour of rrini.y College, and if it was po.HiUhle for a man to be worse 
 than he was* the lirst time, lie certainly was t)u> Hccond time. One of the 
 nurses, formerly in this Hospit.-d, told mc to-day, that she considered it the 
 
general impres^ionof aU comtflcto^l Tilh tha In^Utntion, tha*. t^n f'Ak^ tram 
 Rolplt'M school, an it w.iH usunll}! tirnipil, wern wor^(( tliiti <lirt. I l)olici.«, 
 Mie woman prsvioiM to thai (imo, haJ not been u y oar in tho city, mid had 
 nerer known ut.til then that rucH u hcIiuoI whh in i-xifituncp. 
 
 Mr. StawAr ,, (City MitHionnry) liore ctaled tliat tbo fctliag wu' V'-ry 
 gi'Ofrvl amtn.^sfc poor peophi ngainut ft"i"K ^'^ ''bB ilospita!. 
 
 A little dlscuKsiou here took plac(! b.!'Wi't'n tho cbairmiu and Mr. Buntley, in 
 regard to the trusteea having prejudfred tho case, by tiio lettt-r tbey had ptib 
 lished a few days bcfort;, and tv^i to tb" f ict thdt tlio 'i ru^lei.'rt liad p.ild ho much 
 attention to an anonymous commautoation in a uuwiipaper, and yut hud paid 
 no attention to the statement ot thu Pulici; Magihtrute given in a court uf Jus- 
 tice — to the eflFtct that Burns was unfit for his Hituatiou and ought to bo dis- 
 missed. 
 
 The Chairman' said that tho Huperintond.nt, tho matron, uud the nurses 
 were all charged with a dereliction ot duty. They have been appointed by the 
 trustees to discharge the duties devolving ou them, but it is t-aid they have 
 not discharged the e. If there wa.s evidence enough that they had no' donp 
 what was expected, the trustees would a.«sume the rofponsibility of dipcharg- 
 ing them, and so far as he was concerned he would recognize IIk; poorer? iu- 
 dtvidual in the Hospital as much as the highest in it. 
 
 Dr. Wrioiit having been called upon said, If they wanted any lnf>;mation 
 from him they had better put quostiouH to him. The trustees, however, 
 thought he should give a statement as the others had done. 
 
 Dr. Wright then said 1 am one of the Medical attendants of this Ho.«pital. 
 In respact to the statement made in the letter regarding Burnn, I would only 
 say that I do not consider Burns's treatment of patients has been at all marlj- 
 cd by ordinary kindness. I refer nioro parti'culaily to wh.it took place a few 
 waeks ago or, before tho investigation was liold in the Police Court. This U 
 my week on duty at the Hospital as receiving physician, and I may state 
 that his conduct has been unexceptionable so far. Thu change is .so marked 
 that I cannot fail to notice it. This I attribute to the investigation which 
 took place in the Police Court. Seven weeks ago I was on duty an receiving 
 physician and I took in a patient who i^ot, his leg friictured. The way thtt 
 Burns removed the clothes from his limb was not characteilzed by gent'enes'^ 
 to say the least of it. I found necessary to check him while he was doing m 
 this is the only special case that I at present remember, but tho impression 
 upon my mind is that his conduct is not at all wliat it should bo. In regard 
 to the coloured patient, Jackson who wa^ up.stair;3, Mrs. Donnelly did make tho 
 remarks attributed to her in the letter. Not only ao, but she followed m». 
 from one ward to another to induce tno to put Jackson out. 
 
 Mr. Bowes— What as to the general cleanliness of tho Hospital? 
 
 FTt^nesf.— This is the only Hospital I ever attended. I am purely a Ca< 
 
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 nadiaa student aud as this is the only Hospital I ever attended. I am> ooose- 
 quently, unable to compare one institution with another I can say however 
 that the floors are generally clean but I have seen the bed clothes very often 
 in a very filthy state. I have seen lice in the Institution too. Two of the 
 nurses, one up stairs and one down stairs, I have observed frequently, and I 
 can say that they have been very attentive to their patients and have treated 
 them with as much kindness as they could do. I made no complaints to any 
 one nor should I have done so on any consideration. It struck me as being 
 very singular that although Dr. Telfer and Dr. Beaumont had been known as 
 Hospital attendants for a length of time, that it rarely happened that a fair 
 share of surgical practice, fell into their hands. I thought they did not get 
 their share of surgical practice and my impression was that they would have 
 taken it if they could have gotten it. Before I became connected with theHofc- 
 pital, 1 had heard that Dr. Telfer' s reputation as an operating surgeon was as 
 good as that of any one connected with the Hospital under the old system of 
 things, and perhaps since. Dr. Telfer was spoken of as being a very good 
 operating surgeon, and got a fair share of this kind of practice under the old 
 pysteiti. Dr. Beaumont was also long connected with the Hospital, and 1 
 board ait!o of his getting a fair share of this kind of practice. After the change 
 which took place nearly two years ago, it struck me that a very large share 
 ol this practice fell into the hands of Dr. Hodder. I am not prepared to say 
 whether it was with the consent of Dr. Telfer and Dr. Beaumont that this was 
 done or not. Being a young man and not known as on operating surgeon I 
 could hardly expect to get as much of this practice, as those whose reputa- 
 tion was established. I did not expect even a fair share, supposing it were 
 equally divided, and in that expectation I have not been disappointed. 
 
 Dr. Hallowell — You have giveu a very straightforward statement and I 
 have no doubt you are sincere in what you have said I expect therefore yon 
 will give me a straightforward answer to this question corresponding to your 
 statement to the trustees. You have said in regard to Burns ono of the accus- 
 (id parties, that you think the communication signed Medical Student has 
 had the desired effect, of making Burns more civil and more humane to the 
 patients. 
 
 Dr. Wright— What I stat«d was, that since the occurrence at the policfi 
 court I have noticed a material change on Burns's conduct. 
 
 Dr. Hallowkll— You so far stated that the delinquent Burns has acted 
 from time to time in a very unbeeoroing way, and that to a certain extent, 
 you were of opinion that the Hospital was not carried ou in a cleanly way . 
 I will now come to the question — do you— or do you not endorfle the state- 
 ments put forth in that letter, by " Medical Student." 
 
 Dr. Weight— That is a question not all called for. 
 
 Mr. Bowks— What do you wish us to understand regarding Burns's general 
 eoadacf. 
 
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 Dr. WRiaHT— My impreasioa is, that Burus's treattaeut of patients has not 
 been such as I would allow H servant, ui mine to u>ie towards the meanest 
 pauper coming to my door. 
 
 Mr. Bowes — As rtgardd the atteud.itice of tii« physicians — 
 
 Dr. Wright — I will not beansweriible for the r.tLendauce of any phjaioian 
 but myself, I have noticed (hat Dr. Herrick does not attend, aud that his 
 duty is v^ry frequently performed by other medical tfentlemen. I think lie 
 is generally hero in his admitting wetk to see some of the out-door patients, 
 but those that are ad milted are y)lacer' under the caro of some other person. 
 1 have frequently seen Dr. Uovell do (iuiy fur him. What I nitfaii to Bay 
 is thatDr. Herrick docs not do Hospital duty. With regard to the other 
 medical officers they attend prutt/ regularly— i attend my patients here as 
 often as I thnkthey require my visiis, and quiie as ofien as I would if they 
 were private patients^ When J havi; lioL heci hre Dr. Hodder has bfen 
 kind enough to prescribe for out-duor patients for vnc, but more f tquently 
 Dr. Aiklns has done this in my ahsance. i do not know of any ca'»e whero 
 a patient has suffered in constquence of the neglect of tho laedical officer 
 nor even in cousequenca of the n.giect of the nurses. It laay be that some- 
 times prescriptions are not given as they are ordered : and somciimes the 
 diet has not been attended to properly. 
 
 Mr. LxNNON — Have you seen the resident surgeon under the influeiico of 
 liquor at auy time ? 
 
 Dr. Weight — I have seen Dr. Clarke pretty inerryj but whether under the 
 iafluence of liquor or uo(,I have n )t thy Hasuas of knowing. 
 
 Dr. Cotter here stated that Dr. Clarke suffered severely from attacks of 
 neuralgia, and for that severe affliction had taken often lari^e doses of quinine 
 and morphia, and ho wished Dr. Wiisjht to say whethor he Wiis not avare 'if 
 this fact. 
 
 Dr. WatoHT — I have Dr. Clarke's own siatomcnt that he does — 
 
 Dr. CoTTia. — I wish to know whether, under this suflfurlug which Di 
 Wright la well aware is a most severe one, Dr. darken is not obliged to take 
 krge doses of quinine and morphia? 
 
 Dr. Weight, — I have Dr. Clarke's own statement for it that morphia dof?!i 
 not do him any good, and therefore 1 inrcr he do^'q not take it. 
 
 Dr. CoTTEE.— But that does not follow that he has not taken it. 
 
 Dr. Weight. — My expression in regard to Dr. Clarke was most guarded. 
 I said I did not know that ever I saw him intoxicated, but I have seen him 
 merry, and my opinion is that morphia does not produce that eflfect, but 
 rather the contrary. So far as I havo wituesstd its efFtCts.they are those of 
 somnolency and stupidity rather than merriment. 
 
 Dr. CoTTKB. — That is not the opinion of many medical men. 
 
 Dr. Weight. — Evidence can be adduced to show that that is its general 
 tendency. 
 
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 Dr. CoTTSa<— The question bitupjy waOi xrhetber morpbi8,oi any of the pre- 
 parations of opiuiu, does not produce that excit«men(. I Bay it does and I 
 will iuHtance thi; Turki*, who an a people are Bubject to thin exciimfrtit and 
 are^consfantly under ita ezhilirating influence. 
 
 Dr. WRrGHT--I may be permitted to slats, as this is a profeHi^ionai tuaUer 
 inore than any otiier, that Dr. Cotter here alludes to the effect of cue of the 
 active pTiiiciplc's of opium. He must recollect that it is not morphia which 
 the 'I urkn lu-e, they use opium in its solid ftate which is a very different 
 thin(r> i atn willing to admit thateither solid opium or the tincture of opium 
 will produce tlie effects alluded to by Dr. Cotter, but the general ftfect o( 
 morphia is that of a sedative. 
 
 Dr. Cotter — Does Dr. Wright mean to tell mo lliat a person whohastaU- 
 eij certain doses of morphia will not appear as if hn had been drunk. 
 
 The Chairman — Dr. Clarke has been charged with ' drunkenness, ami thfi 
 question has been' put by a medical gentleman, whether the particular inedicinf 
 iiliuded tu will produce a state similar to drunkenness-. 
 
 Dr. Wright — 1 slated that the action of morphia is lirsl siedative. 
 
 Dr. CoTTEK — Every ;)erson knows that morphia is sedative. But 1 will pn« 
 this simple question — Do the preparations of opium not jiroduce an effect similar 
 to drunkenness. 
 
 Dr. WRiaHT~I havejmyself proposed to Df-.Clarke to take quinine 5»rid iion 
 but he said he derived no benefit from it. 
 To Mr. Bow£s. — I cun state no charge ot neglect on the ]iarl of Dr. Claikr. 
 
 Dr. Scott — wished to know what deficiency Dr. Wright ^md seen in the iir- 
 rangernents o( tiie Hospital which might have been rectified by applicatit n lo 
 tlie Tiustefs. 
 
 Dr. Wright — The want of brandy has already been brought before the 
 Trustees, in tljfi trenlment of eye affections, leeches were required and they 
 wftre not allowed. I have taken in persons into the Hospital with chiotic affec- 
 tions when leeches were required, and I could not get them. Tu other cases 
 ivhfn 1 have wanted leeches patients have had to get them themselves. 
 
 Dr. Scott — Have you ever represented this deficiency to the Trustees. 
 
 Dr. Wright — As far a« the leeches are concerned I represented it to Dr. 
 Widmei. Even atthe preseiit lime I ordered a patient to be bled and 1 was lolH 
 that there w-as not au hospital lance that could be used. 
 
 Dr. Scott — What did Dr. Widmersay in regard to the want of leeches? 
 
 Dr. WiDMER replied — that the Trustees would not grant them'? Dr. Clarke 
 has told me before that the Trustees had declined furnishing these, as the ex- 
 pense of furnishing leeches was so great that their funds would not warrant it. 
 It occurs to me that I signed some request to the Trustees (hat instruments 
 ■hould be got for the^ Hospital. ^ 
 
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 Df. Scott.— Are modical officers .allowed to prescribe any otbe' liquors b«t 
 V»randy ? 
 
 Dr. Wbioht. — I atu not in tliH habiL of preucnbit g brandy nt all, a»jd I 
 do not know whether ib is wilbheld wheu prescribed by others. I beli«vn 
 however, that a!e, wine and vbia'ney, are allowed by iho Tru6te«^t». 
 
 Mr. Bowes statedi that the Trustrns found their fund ^ would nif. c»arraut 
 their furnishiog it. They c(»ntinuf.d. bowcvcr, to supply wiue, and beer, anrt 
 whiskey tothe patiunlH [h was u tnere matiei of economy, the witlitntbiin^ 
 of the brpcdy in fo far an the ' rnstcea wore concerned. 
 
 Dr. HoDDER saw ibat frora fiome remarks which had been inaHe, it wapi 
 necorsary for biui to explain that Dr. Bovell and ho were the only fioUisMirs 
 from Trliiiiy College, and as 1 hi* professors ofsurgtiy in that colbgo, had 
 no cout'ecliou with the hospital, consequently Dr. Bovoll had hundtrd o or 
 lo him nil his aurgicalcaSL'S, and he in return, had bumlod ovtr to Dr. Bovell ail 
 bis [Dr. Hodder's] medical cases. He hod there fose b.nu a duiible tbtu«- <>f 
 surgical practice. Iridfptndently of thai, Dr. Herrick, wbo had not; aiten<NMl 
 the Hospital for some time past, as must of them bad done, had occaHionally 
 sent him surgical cases, and Dr. lU-ai'mont had done the same. Btsiili > !!iai» 
 be had been industrious i i gnt'ii (^ hi, im^dical friends in the country to send 
 inall. their jsurgical cfifes to him voihe Hospital. That would accoriiit rety 
 readily for his havir.g more RnTj^ic;il cashes than the others. He merely inadf.' 
 this explanation to disabuse aUo^t-tnor the minda of the Tru-tees of any uii. 
 just suspicions 1 hah might be attachi d to Dr. Clarke in this uiatter. He knew 
 there was a feeling that Dr. Clarke bad given surgical ca.ses to iijm when he 
 ought not have «bm» so. T'^at was f.ot the case, and the ivasons he had given 
 would show why he had so large >i f-baro of surgical practice. 
 
 Dr. Wright said that that explanation did not in his estimation meet the mat- 
 ter. 
 
 Dr. AiKtNS. — I do not krinu- all the nurses. Some of them I do know. There aie 
 two sisters, one npstairp nnd one down stairs that I consider good nurses. So far 
 as I have observed 1 have seen nothing objectionable in their conduct; I cannot 
 speak in the same terms of iVIrs. Donnelly; I heard her say that if Dr. Wright left 
 Samuel Jackson in the Hospital, she would be the death of him, and sh«^ m^ed 
 Dr. Wright to discharge him. Her language and conduct were such that, bad 
 they been manifested to rne, I would have turned her out of the ward and have 
 had the matter brought before the rcsidtnt surgeon. As legfuds her cleanliness, 1 
 can only say that a patient put under my care expeiienced the reverse. Jesse 
 N'unn, the son of a farmer, bom Bolton.village, was biought to the Hospital as a 
 pay patient, and his mother took lodgin/js in the city lo visit her child while in 
 the Hospital. Some time alter he came in I gave Mrs Donnelly oiders lo re- 
 move the bed clothes, instead of putting on a clean Kheet, however, she took a 
 sheet from the bed of one of the most filthy patients in the Hopsital and put it 
 on hit bed; the consequeQce waa he was entirely covered Mrith vermin; thii his 
 
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 mother can substantiate, as also can the person with whohi the mother lodged in 
 ^own, because she stripped off the boy's shirt and had it cleaned. Mrs. Don- 
 nelly also told the boy's father that she was sorry his son was not under the care 
 of Dr. Hodder or Dr. Bovell, as he would be cured in a short time. Dr.Clarke 
 also urged the mother to take away the boy from the Hospital, for he was certain 
 he would die. The boy comp'ained very much of JMrs. Donnelly's harsh con- 
 duct to him. It was very unkind, for he was but a small boy, about 17 years 
 of age. From the treatment he received, I cousidered the Hospital was not the 
 very best place for him, and directed his mother to remove him to the city. 1 
 myself have heard Dr. Clarke say that Mrs. Donnelly was very rough but that 
 she was good natured. 1 did feel a little hurt at the remark of Mrs. Donnelly 
 that the boy if under the care of Dr. Hodder or Dr. Bovell would have recovered 
 80 soon. [ did not bring any of these things under the notice of Dr. Clarke, be- 
 cause I have heard him siy that Mrs. Donnelly was rough but that she was good 
 natured. I was under the impression that Mrs. Donnelly had heard the state- 
 ment in regard to the boy from some other source than her own 
 knowledge of the circumstances, for I am satistiedthat she could not personally 
 know much of the treatment of patients by the medical gentlemen named. 
 Burns's general conduct was harsh and unkind. I have heard 
 Dr. Clarke frequently correct him for his roughness. With reference to the 
 ventilation of the building, it is very bad indeed ; and there is not a water closet 
 in the hospital from top to bottom . I remember that when the Arst letter appear- 
 ed in the Colonist, Dr. Clarke said that every part of that letter could be sub- 
 stantiated , except that referring to moral pollution ; more than that, he went on 
 to say what I know to be the case, that he had requested the students to petition 
 tbo Board of Trustees that the attendance of some of the medical men might be 
 more regular, or that their fees might be returned to them. He said he did every- 
 thing to keep the patients, clean that heTcould ; but there were no baths, and if a 
 patient wanted a bath they had to go down to the washing room. I have seen 
 vermin repeatedly upon the patients in the hospital. 
 
 Dr Scott. — Are you aware that there is a diet table prescribed to the patients, 
 or are you in the habit of prescribing diet according to the circumstancea ? 
 
 Dr AiKiNS did not consider the diet as deficient in regard to quantity. — Some 
 of my patients have complained of want of food, and I have prescribed more for 
 them ; I felt that I had it in my power to do so if I considered it neceaaary. 
 I remember of the coloured man being under my care. I don't know how olten 
 I saw him. I know that I did not consider it necessary to give him tuU diet 
 because he was affected with aneurism. I don't know that I have found any 
 difficulty, except in regard to the want of leeches, and I have mentioned this 
 over and over again. I am aware there is an open bath in the hospital, and it 
 may be had an an emergency, but I have never ordered it. The last time I 
 spoke on this subject to Dr. Clarke, he said it was impossible for the servants to 
 bring up water to supply such a bath. I do not consider it^ easy to keep the 
 
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 patients clean without a proper suite of baths, and even then it w»uld be exceed- 
 ingly difficult 1o do so ; looking at the class ot patients that come in here, beini; 
 not only poor, but depraved, and their constitutions destroyed. I have not ob- 
 served any deticiency in bed-clothing. I have found my prescriptions ordinarily 
 (irepared and sent up. I find the mcdicuies always supplied according tu my 
 prescription. I think it the medical men ask for'remediea not provided by ih<>. 
 trustees that they should be allowed. I heard Dr. Bovtil say that just so soon a^ 
 lever came into the Hospital, if the trustees would refuse him brandy he would 
 resign. I am in not the habit of prescribing brandy; I know that it ia prescribed m 
 large hospitals at home, but in ordinary^cases, whiskey , or Jany other ulimuluo, 
 would answer as substitute, [.however, think brandy decide i y essential 
 lobe kept in the Hospital. 
 
 Dr. Scott.— Do you think the existing state of things warranted ihr stnnijj 
 language used in the letter of the medical student i 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS— 1 think a wrong construction is put upon the language, nsprl. 
 
 Dr. ScoT'r. — Do you think the language proper 1 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS.— I have only once glanced over the lettor and would rrquirf! to 
 read it again before answering your question. 
 
 Mr. Bextley.— Have yon eypi' HcHvt .iny person in thn institution under the 
 inflaence of liquor ? 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS.— 1 have not seen any f ereon under the influence of liquor here 
 within the last two yeHrw. | hav« spen pensona belonging tn thin InstitntioTi 
 under the iuftn«nco of liquor but noh within the la«t two years. 
 
 Mr. Bemtlky T have heard that, Burns was in the Asylum, snd was (here 
 only ten days when they were obliged to dismiss him. Do y<ui know thf»t 
 this is the case and do you know whether he brought jt ceitifleat« of charac- 
 ter? ....,;,,. 
 
 The Chaibman objected to any attempt to impugu tho character of Burns by 
 such questions, because a good character was as much Ut hitn (Burns) as it 
 was to James Beaty or Wr. Bentley. 
 
 ' • ~ Mr. 6bay. — Have you at any time, since your attendance ali this Hn^pi in] 
 seen Dr. Clarke under the iufluence of liquor ? 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS.— I have seen him under the influence of liquor, hui on; wit'uu 
 the last two years, although I have heard students say thnt they have seen 
 so. 
 
 Dr. KusBELL. — Have you ever found Dr. (.Clarke inattentive to bis dut y 
 
 Dr. AiRi:(s. — No. T must say, for myself, that whatever I have aoked Dt- 
 Olarke to do, has been done. I do not think that he has neglected any pre* 
 BcriptioD that I entered r.p-.Mi the books, If he did eo, it must have be«?n an 
 oversight. 
 
 Dr. SooTT.— Are you in the habit of writing in detail the mauagement and 
 preseriptioDs for your patients ? ' 
 
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 Dr. AiKiKS. — Sometimes 1 do, Rometimecl do not. 
 
 Mr. Grat. — did you ai nny time hoK' i)r. Clarke refuse the inatrumeiits for 
 extracting teeth ? 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS. — I have. On one occasion, a poor looking, ill clothed, person 
 came here to get a tooth takon out, aud Dr. Clarke said there was to be no 
 no more teeth pulled in the Hospital I asked him what poor people were to 
 do ? He said they must go to the dentists. 1 got the instruments from bim 
 atthistifne. I a»ked him ir this was a rule nf the Trustees? I think he said 
 it was. 
 
 Dr. Clabke did nut remember having said there were to be no more teeth 
 palled in the Hospital. 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS— I again assert that Dr. Clarke said there was to be no more 
 teeth-puliiug in the Hospital ; and I uaderstood him to say it was a rule of 
 the TruHtees. There were two or three students with me at the time. 
 
 Dr Clabke — Did I not say. Ihnt I would not give the instrnmenta to the 
 
 Hludents, wn8 iiot that all? 
 
 Dr. AiKiMB — I Htate most distinctly that when I asked what poor people 
 were to do Dr. Clarke said they must go to the dentists, or the apothecaries. 
 
 Dr. Clabkc I deny ever having made such a statement. 
 
 Here oi^e of the students made some remark but not sufficiently distinct to 
 ho noted — when the chairman said that he would not sit and be insulted by 
 a parcel of young students who scarcely knew anything. If they had a ques- 
 tion to put, let them tell him and he would put it. 
 
 Dr. Hallgweli..— From the honourable position which Dr. Aikins holds in 
 this City, he must be very well aware of the great responsibility of Dr. Clarke's 
 IKtsition. [Question, question.] 1 have a perfect right to make such remarks, I 
 want to know if Dr. Aikins does not believe the situation of a house surgeon is 
 one of a very trying nature 1 
 
 Dr. Aikins. — I dont think it is so very difficult a position to fill. I have never 
 heard any complaints of the great difficulty of it. 
 
 Dr. Hallowell.— Does the learned gentleman not think, that having so 
 many tastes to please, his position is rendered more difficult than it would be 
 under ordinary circumstances. 
 
 Dr. Aikins.— I do not see that he has any tastes to please at all.— His duty 
 is to put np the medicines prescribed by the medical officers. 
 
 Dr. Hallowell. — Has the general tenor of Dr. Clarke's condu''t been such 
 as to^meet Dr.'Aikins's approval 1 
 
 Dr. Aikins. — I answered that question before. 
 
 Dr.^HALLOWELL. — Did Dr. Aikins, in his position as physician in this Hos- 
 pital, ever see anything that be felt it his duty, not only to the Trustees but to 
 the public, to report % 
 
Dr. AiKlirs.— Nothing further than I have stated. 
 \*r Dr*.HAUiOWELL. — Did Dr. Aikins not state eiihei directly or by implication, 
 'thfjt when Dr. Clarke read that letter [signed Medical S t udent] over to ])im that 
 hejagreed with the tenor of it. 
 
 Dr. Aikins. — I have answered that question in this way, Dr. Clarke himsell 
 said that every statement in that letter could be substantiated, except th.it ot 
 moraljpoUution. 
 
 Mr. Bowes.— Does Dr. Aikins believe the management of this Hospital is 
 auch as to give the impression thattliis Institution is in a^state of moral pollution 'J 
 
 Dr. Aikins. — I have not read the letter sufficiently to see its bearing. But 
 if, by moral pollution he meant prostitution, then, I say, it is entirely incorrect. 
 
 Mr. BowBS,— Have you known any patient complain of the treatment they 
 received in this Hospital. 
 
 Dr. Aikins.— One patient yesterday ^complained to me of the treatment of 
 Mrs. Donnelly. 
 
 Mr. Bowes. — Do you know that any patient left the Hospital in consequence 
 of the neglect of the medical attendants, under whose charge they were 1 
 
 Dr. Aikins.— A patient under my own care, about five weeks ago, said she 
 did not think she was not recovering quick enough, and would leave the Hospi- 
 tal, but this was not in consequence of neglect. 
 
 Mr. Bowes. — What is your opinion in regard to the cleanliness of the Hos- 
 pitaH 
 
 Dr. Aikins. — I think there is not so much attention paid to the* cleanliness of 
 the patients as there should be, but I attribute this chiefly to the want of b aths 
 throughout the building. 
 
 Mr. Bowes.— Is it the duty of the physician to^enterthe names of the patients 
 in his book, and the diseases with which they are afflicted. 
 
 Dr. Aikins. — ^This is generally done, but it depends . very much upon the na- 
 ture of the disease. 
 
 Dr. Telfer. — Have you seen me frequently at the Hospital at the regular 
 hour. 
 
 Dr. AiKiNSi — I have seen you often at the regular hour: 
 
 Mr. Lbnnon; — I stated yesterday, that I never since the time I had taken out 
 a ticket had had the pleasure of walkihg the wards of the Hospital with Dr. 
 Telfer, because he always came here about 1 1 o'clock, and was generally through 
 before any of the students came forward. I stated so distinctly ; and I also said 
 I.had never had the pleasure of walking the wards with Dr.^Herrick, for I had 
 never seen him there but ou the first day I went there. 
 
 Mr. Bowss. — Have you observed any jealousy manifested between the 
 school! 1 
 
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 Dr. AiKiNs.— There is no use trying to conceal it, such is ths caae. There 
 19 a feeling ol Jealousy both among studenta and among the medical men. It haa 
 often been a puzzle to me that Dr. Telfer who has had the reputation of being 
 the most skillful operating surgeon in the Hospital, gets no practice of that kind 
 m the Hospital. I cannot understand liovv his private operations still continue, 
 and his operations in the Hospital all at once cease. Yet, it is a fact, so far an 
 1 know. 
 
 Mr. i3owB3 — Have y on iioUccd auy partiality ou Uitt part of Or. Olarke 
 in regard toputieuts ifhen they came in hero. 
 
 Dr. Aixi.>(S — I have not. But I have observed that there has uot been th« 
 «ame amount of attention to Dr. Wright and myself, by at least two of the 
 iionen. Burns and Donelly, as to the other medieal men. Dr. Clarke's gene- 
 ral bearing in this respect ban of late been so marked that almost every onb 
 uoticed it, was all in favour of Trinity College. 1 can not put my finger 
 upon any particular facts, because I do not thiuk it at all likely that facts of 
 that nature would come under my observation. 1 could not point to any 
 one caae where 1 could say that Dr, Clarke had departed from the rule of the 
 I netitution, in regard to placing patients undei the care of any particular 
 medical ofiBcer. But at the same time I again repeat that his general bearing 
 is in favor of Trinity College. The receiving physician for the week, haa 
 the disposal of the patients for the week except Ruch cases an those already 
 mentioned. 
 
 Mr. Bowes.-— Is it customary for parties toseud palienta lu the Hospital tu 
 be put undtr the care of certain medical gentlemen. 
 
 Dr. Ajxi:(8.— It may be, but unless the order is by oue of the regular med- 
 ical attendants of the Hospital, it is not attended to, so far as I am personally 
 aware, 
 
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 Mr. Bbmtlbv. — D^ you kuow of any instance where a patient was remo- 
 ved from the Hospital under some influence to get an op6ration performed. 
 
 Dr. AiKiifs.— I do. A patient came in hereunder my care, and it was 
 deemed necessary that an operation should be performed. That patient was 
 removed shortly afterwards, and the operation was performed in a tavern* 
 within eighteen hours of the time he left the Hospital. I state most distinctly 
 that I believe influence was ir-'d to get that patient removed, but I do not 
 know the parties that used the influence,nor the channels through which that 
 influence was used. The patient was removed shortly after he came to the 
 Hospital, and the operation was performed by some of the medical attend- 
 ants of the Hospital in a tavern shortly afterwards. , t,; • ^ . 
 
 Mr. Lenxon. — Have yon reason to believe the patient came to this city a 
 stranger, that you admitted him to the hospital and that it was found neces- 
 sary that the limb should be removed, and when you came to perform the 
 operation the patient objected, and afterwards went out into a tavern and 
 
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 had it performed by Dr. Hoddflri Dr. Bovell, aud Dr. Philbriek ? Hare you 
 reMon to think that these gentlemen did not treat you with courtesy that 
 they would have manifested towards one of the obber professors ? And are 
 you aware that the expense of supporting this man in the tavern was borne 
 by these three medical officers. 
 
 Dr. AiKixs— That the patient refused to allow me to operate was clear 
 enough, and was dismissed from the Hospit.il in con^^equence, I do not know 
 personally, butl was told that the operation was perfurmed by Dr. Philbriek, 
 Dr. Hodder and Dr. Bovell within eighteen hours after ho left the Hospital. 1 
 do not know who supported the man in the tavern. 
 
 Mr LsNNOif — Do you think Dr. Buvell treated you with UiatreHpecl ou tb« 
 occasion with which you would have treated him ? 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS— I do not think that if Dr Bovell imd dismiBsed a patient 
 that— 
 
 The CaAUMAM— I would just like to know what the Trustees ot the Hoa 
 pital have to do with the opinions of these medical gentlemen. They aeeiu 
 to have different opinions in regard to their abilities, hut I do nut see that the 
 trustees could settle that for them. 
 
 Mr. Lennox. — All the charges I had against the Trustees I brought forward 
 yesterday but I was desirous to have that question answered distinctly. 
 
 Dr. BovELihere stated that he knew nothing at all about the patient un- 
 til within an hour of the time of the operation. 
 
 Dr. AixiNS— 1 understood the operation was performed by Dr. Bovell uud 
 Dr, Hodder, but that the patient was considered under Dr. Fhilbrick'H 
 care. 
 
 Dr. HoDDiB here denied most positively, and with considerable emphasik 
 that he had anything to do whatever with the case, further than assisting 
 Dr. Philbriek when he was asked by him to do so. 
 
 Mr. Bowes— Have you any suspicions that influence was exerted to get 
 the patient removed. 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS — My impression most decidedly is, that inilence was used in 
 the Hospital, but I cannot say by whom. 1 have also understood from Mr. 
 Lennon that it was customary to notify the students of Trinity College when 
 an operation was to be performed, without notifying the other students at all. 
 
 The Chaieman— Is it the impression of the students of the Toronto School 
 of Medicine that they are not treated with that courtesy and attention with 
 which the students of Trinity College are treated. 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS— It is, and 1 have heard them remark so repeatedly. 
 
 Dr. HoDDBB here stated that he was not aware of the patient having' . a 
 the; Hospital ; that Dr. Philbriek called upon him,,and asked him to assiat in 
 
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 an operation. He did not refiipe to go, and he would not have refuMd. 
 >m<l Dr. AikiijH, or nuy other medical gentlcmaD, asked hii ansiRtanee. He 
 . heard afterwardrt that tbo man had left the Uoiipital, in conscqueuoe of what 
 Hiime of the patieutg in the nnmf ward had said to hiro. It was eimpijr 
 from tiie f-tateranntn made by the patient«4 in the same Ward— patients who 
 hud heeii operated npon by other medical m(!n — that he refused. They 
 rccoromeDded him not to allow Dr. Aikius to tuke his limb off, and, in 
 coDStquenco, ho refused. He merely mentioned this to prevent a wrong 
 impreHsiori being formed. 
 
 This clo.sud the proceedings of the second day. 
 
 Saturday, 31 et March, 1855. 
 
 The investigation wab resumed this morning. Mr. Beaty in the chair. 
 
 Mr.JLEMMoN said he had a question or two to put to one of the witnesses. 
 
 Mr. Bowes said they bad eodeavored to give every one an opportnnity 
 to come fc/trard to substantiate the charges made in that letter. They were 
 still waiting for Fny person to come forward. He would wish, however, that 
 gentlemen when they came forward would confine themselves to what had 
 come under tbeirjown knowledge. Whatever had been stated on the evidence 
 of a third party, would not be accepted as evidence by the trustees, and it 
 would therefore save time if they would confine themselves to facts. He 
 would see that Dr. Clarke, and Dr. Bovell, and the other medical officers 
 were confiaed strictly to their own knowledge of facts. If they referred to 
 what they heard from any other gentleman ho would not consider it as the 
 sligbtebt evidence unless that party was brought forward to give evidence him- 
 self. He would not permit them tosiite anything here which they had 
 heard from any other party, and by this meaoshe hoped they would get more 
 spej'dily through with the testimony. 
 
 Mr. Lemxon. — I have a question tu put to Dr. Aikins, if I am in order. 
 Is Dr. Aikins aware whether the trustees have been made awure of tlie 
 fact of of Dr. Herrick's non-performance of Hospital duty, and Dr. Beaumont's 
 stating that be would attend at auch hours as suited himself? 
 
 Dr. Aikins. — 1 am not aw-ne vebfctber the trustees as a body have been 
 made acquainted with the circumstance, but I brought the matter before 
 Dr, Widmer, as chairman of the board. I stated to him plainly that the 
 
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 students complained of Dr. Herrick's non-porformance of duty, and of Dr 
 Beuumonfa coming at Huch hourrt a^ prevented them {^oiog the rouudn 
 with him to see bi* patients, and of Dr. Jiitumout'M stating thht he would 
 viait his patients ut whatever hour suited liiuibclf best. I pointed out to him 
 that there was a rule in the HoHpital which ho hoped he would abide by. 
 I addressed Dr. Widmer, as chairman oftlio trustees, but I did not send 
 him a written commuulcatiun at the time. This is I think about twelve 
 months ago. 
 
 Ir. LENiiON,— Have you heard it urged that the whole staff nhould 
 retire in case the trustees refused such reiunliesaB were considered necessary 
 for the treatment of the diseases in thv Hospital? 
 
 Dr, AiKiNs— I dont know that the whole medical atalT had made such a 
 statement, but I heard Dr. liovell aay tliat he thought the whole staff 
 should resign, if they were not allowed what was required — one of the things 
 mentioned was brandy. Dr. Bovell Haid that us soon as a fever patient 
 came into the Hospital if the truHlees n fused brandy he would resign. 
 I don't know that ho referred to any thing else at the time. I do not 
 know that leeches were mentioned, but I know that this was a complaint. 
 
 Mr. Lknno.v— Do the medical ofKcers of this Hospital treat you with that 
 courtesy you expect from your position ? 
 
 Dr. AMiiNs— Sorae of them have, and some of them have not, but this 
 to me, is a matter of indifference. I shall never make any diflerence in 
 my courtesy to theoi in consequence. 1 have no desire to make any ac- 
 cusation against any medical officer in this lustitution. 
 
 Mr. LENJfOM— Are ycu willing to name any instauce when you consider- 
 ed you were treated with disrespect, by any of thu medical officers of this 
 Institution. 
 
 Dr. AiuiNS— I don't kuuw that I should be compelled to auswer that ques- 
 tion. 
 
 The CuAiRMAN — You are at liberty to refuse to answer any question that 
 you think proper. 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS— I can say that in Roveral operations of Dr. Beaumont, I 
 have not been consulted, while other medical mv.u, not belonging to the 
 Institution, have been consulted. No infbrmatiou haa been given me of 
 such operations, but I duu't know that the Trubttes expect that information 
 bhould bo given lue when an op ration is to take place* 
 
 Mr. Bowes— The Trustees expect that due Tiotice should be given to all 
 medical attendants when any operHtion is to be performed. 
 
 Mr. Lennon— If you vieta about to perform an operation would you think 
 it your duty to take thtt advice and assistauco of tlie medical staff of the 
 Hodpitalin preference to that of any other medical ?geutlemeu who might 
 even be present? 
 
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 Dr. AtKiNrt— I most docitlodly would imvnr think ol' passing hy thorn, 
 imd asking Uie advice or assiHtance of any medical >?ontleman not connicltid 
 with the Inalilutioii. I would not doit. 
 
 Mr. Lkxnon— Havo you any proof that nicHsageH hav« bceuHont t<» Trinity 
 GuIieKo when uu operation waH to bo performi'd, und no ineHHnfjd I.hm buen 
 Hoiit to the Toronto School ? 
 
 The CiiAiaMAi* did not, think thai tho by-law required him tn w.\u\ riotico 
 to Htudeuls ul all. 
 
 Mr. Lbnnom— If wo can prove that incBsages linve boon Hont to Trimly (Jol- 
 lege wIhmi an operation was to bo performed, and no raeasago sent to tlio To- 
 ronto School, it will .show that favouritism has been shown toono In.'«i,itutitin 
 while the other has been neglected. 
 
 The Chairman did not think the resident surgeon was bound to Hond no- 
 lice, but if he dooH ko, it may ahow a species of favouritism on his part. 
 
 Mr. Lennon — Havoany of your patients while in tho Hospital ever olwcrved 
 to you that tho other medical ofHccrs evidently disliked you, and did thoy 
 i^ivo you any reason forthig V 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS — This has been mentioned to rae once or twice by my patienta. 
 Tho reason given is, that 1 am a very young man, und that some «»f tho 
 nidor ones did not like to see me successful in my oinuations. 
 
 Mr. Lennon — Do you think it possible that Dr. Clurku can tako ho warm 
 an interest in favour of Trinity Oollejt;o without, at tho same time, mOHt 
 seriously impairing your usefulness in this Inslitutiou, in the minds of uU con. 
 nccted witli the internal management of the [iiBtitution '! 
 
 Dr. AiKiNs — I was not here when Dr. Clarke stated that he hud ,so \7aim an 
 interest in Trinity Oollego b .t I understand he said so. 1 don't think he 
 could take a deep mtireot in the students of one school without prejudicing 
 them in regard to another school. 
 
 Mr. Bowks— Dr. Clarke did not slate that he hutl exerted any influeuct; in 
 regard to that College. 
 
 Mr. Lkni«( N— -He stated that he was decidedly in iuvnur of Trinity College 
 becauE^o it was his Alma Mater, and because it was f«)unded upon tho religion 
 he professed, and because it bad a full staff of professors. 
 
 Dr. Claeke said ho would demand that as resident, medical ollicer here, 
 he should be protected. The parties who had accused hini had no right to 
 bring forward any charges which interfered with his right of private judg- 
 ment, he would not submit to it. These charges weie not founded upon any 
 Tiolation of the rules laid down by tho Trustees. What he had said before, 
 he would say again. He preferred Trinity College because it was his alma 
 mater, and because he thought it had the best staff of medical professors in 
 Upper Canada, aud if any young man was recommended to his care, he 
 
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 wcuUl Bend him to that collojjo. He w.is not ashamed of the religion he pro* 
 fossed— (warmly.) H« was her« as n gontloraaii, and ho required the oame 
 trcatueiit bla u ^onllotuiiii nh'ndd g>.t, and ho demanded it. 
 
 Mr. UowEs—Beyond whal tlio rultisof tho laAtitutioa eayi th«y do nol 
 want to intHrfr-ro; th'iydid not want tr> linve board :iuy thing at all iu refer- 
 wrico t(» Hint p.iint, 11) would ii^iiii' nny that, ho (ii<l trust that the profe«diouBl 
 etiquiilio wtiich govtirntid Dtiodioai nion sliould nui, bo lost higlit of They 
 might usk il'iliiiiproff'M.'ior, or tint prori"^-t.ii- ,f,i^ conapoumi. 'to dibchargu bii 
 dutifH, but iticy iiad no wi»h lo no lunhcr. 
 
 Mr. Lknno.i— Doe!* not tida prul.renc ) HAuafttotoaiy explain ti> your mind 
 Ihu derelict on ufduty mi the |> ju urHHK' nf i-'udotnesiicH uf this IiHtiiutiuu? 
 
 Dr. Anci.ys -f ropou'. Hi^.ii I »■. Ill' 1 kI,i. il y^uier lay, Uuit I wroiild m^ver 
 a^k uuy t lin^' tio tor iroin Hurvanis ih.m .int. 1 nccivo Iroiri homo of thorn. 1 
 only cay if tun advocacy in prefoit'.icei't upeii uml waraii u will have the 
 e£fuct stated, cspecialiy with uucouNcientiouHEurvunta. 
 
 Mr. Lenno.'^ was about to put another question, whoa some of tlio audience 
 hisiied slightly, afier some rcnarlt.s ia roliircpco thereto, he put a question in 
 rofiTtnco to llioboy that w-ia removed from tlio tlospital at Dr. AikioBdirec- 
 tioDi), but Mr. liowca objected, aa the parents of the boy were not present to 
 answer for thoioselvca. The question was then put frooo the chair in this 
 form. 
 
 The Chairman— Have the parents of thi? boy ever told you that Dr. Clarke 
 advised them to remove the hoy from the Hospital ? 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS— Yen, both father and mother hav», because they were afraid 
 from what was stated that the boy would die in the Hospital. 
 
 Dr. Olabkk— You said thai the air of the HoBpital was not agreeing with 
 him. 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS — Yes, and I thought the coi.duot of Mrs. Donelly was not agree- 
 ing witli hi 111. The parents told mc prior to the introduction of the catheter 
 into his bladder that Dr. Clarke had advised them to remove the boy, and 
 this, coufeoqiiCHtly, was before the conversation I hud with Dr. Clarke in re- 
 gard to that matter. 
 
 Dr. Clarkk. — I also told Dr. Aikina tha', in my opinion, the boy's health 
 was such that he could not stand to be operated upon, we talked about that 
 boy repeatedly. 
 
 Dr. AiKixs.— Dr. Teller stated also that the boy's health was not in such a 
 state to be able to undergo au operation. I do not deny that Dr. Clarke and 
 I had a conversation about the boy. I do not think, however, that although 
 Dr. Clarke advised the parents of the boy to take him away, that ho meant 
 to injure me by any statements he made to them. But his statements were 
 calculated to injure mc, although not made with that intention. 
 
 Dr. Clauke.— What has been my general conduct towards your patients? 
 
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 Dr. AiKms.— I answered this question yesterday. I stated then that I have 
 never had any difficulty with you. 
 
 The Chairman.— Really and truly, gentlemen, we are men of businessi and 
 to go on at this rate it would take two or three months to get through with 
 the evidence. We have not come here to hear opinions. We want facts, al- 
 though they would be very happy to hear all these points discussed if they 
 had time. 
 
 Mr. Lennon.— Did you consider the reason stated by Dr. Hodder, for that 
 man leaving the Hospital, was sufficient ? 
 
 Dr. AiEiNS.— I don't thmk it was offered by Dr. Hodder as a satisfactory 
 reason for the man leaving the Hospital. His reasons, if given for that ob- 
 ject, I would consider useless and frivolous. It was stated by Dr. Hodder 
 that patients who had been operated upon in the Hospital urged this man 
 not to allow me to operate upon him. 
 
 Dr. Claseb. — The man stated that he would not allow Dr. Aikins to op- 
 erate upon him, and Dr. Widmer recommended his dismissal, if he refused to 
 allow Dr. Aikins to operate upon him. 
 
 Mr. Bowes. — Have you heard any of the medical officers or any [other offi- 
 cers of this Hospital use abusive language. 
 
 Dr. Aikins— I never criticised the language of any of the medical officers ; 
 I would never think of doing such a thing. 
 
 Mr. Bowes. — Have the officers of this institution in any case used abusive 
 language in your hearing. I refer to the medical gentlemen attending this 
 Hospital. 
 
 Dr. AiKiss.— I don't remember having heard any of them. 
 
 Dr. RiCHAUDSON had a little knowledge of something that transpired 15 or 
 16 months ago in connexion with the Hospital, and would like to know whe- 
 ther the complaint made by Dr. Aikins in regard to the refusal of Dr. Beau- 
 mont, to come to the Hospital, at a certain specified hour, was in consequence 
 of one of his patients in the hospital affected with aneurism, having been 
 disturbed. 
 
 Dr. AiKiAs.— In answer to Dr. Richardson, I have simply to say that I did 
 not complain to Dr. Widmer of Dr. Beaumont not doing his duty ; I have no 
 right to interfere with him or any medical officer in doing his duty. I stated 
 to Dr. Widmer that the students complained to me that Dr. Beaumont did not 
 come here to the Hospital in time to meet them, to allow them to have the ben_ 
 efit of seeing his patients ; I never heard any of the students say that Dr. Beau' . 
 mont neglected his patients. 
 
 Dr. RicuARDsoN.— Did not that arise from his patient having been interfered 
 with by some of the students at that time in his absence. 
 
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 Dr. AiKiNS.— I do not think it did, but I wish you to uaderstand that I 
 nerer heard any of the stadeats say that Dr. Beaumoat did not attend to hia 
 patients. 
 
 Dr. TfiLii'EB.—Dr. Beaumont attends in his week for admitting patients 
 but he asserts that at all other times he will attend his patients at any hour he 
 chooses. 
 
 The Chairman.— I think that Dr. Aikins said that Dr. Beaumont did not 
 attend at the hour mentioned In the by-law. 
 
 Dr. Richardson.— Did not this complaint originate shortly after the oper- 
 ation for aneurism. 
 
 Dr. AiKiKs.— I will state most distinctly that it could not have done so, 
 because it has been a complaint for four or five years to my certain know- 
 ledge. 
 
 Dr. Richardson. — Did not Dr. Beaumont refuse to attend at that time be- 
 cause he was unwilling his patient should be disturbed. The fact was this, 
 that Dr. Beaumont had a case of aneurism, which required u particular kind 
 of treatment. He was anxious to prevent any person interfering with his pa- 
 tient. He would ask whether it was within Dr. Aikins's knowledge that Dr. 
 Stratford came here and took the students of the Toronto School of Medi- 
 cine into that ward and disturbed this patient, after Dr. Beaumont had given 
 strict orders that no person should be admitted, and not only so, but that Dr. 
 Wright did the same thing. 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS.— I do not know anything of the kind, so far as Dr. Wright is 
 concerned. I did hear, however, that something of that kind had occurred, 
 in regard to Dr. Stratford. 
 
 Mr.BENTLBT wished to know whether the mere fact of the presence of a 
 number of students would be apt to affect injuriously any patient at such a 
 time. 
 
 Dr. Aikins.- In some particular cases it might. 
 
 Dr. HoDDKB having been called upcn to give his evidencei said he was anx- 
 iouB to read that letter signed Medical Student, and having done so, bo 
 would simply wish to ask Mr. Dixon whether he is the author of that letter. 
 
 Mr. Dixon— I stated distinctly that there is not a single word in that let- 
 ter but what had emanated from my own brain. 
 
 Dr. HoDDEK— I am very sorry to hear you say so. 
 
 Dr. Hallowbll I would ask whether Mr. Dixon was prompted to write 
 that letter? 
 No answer. 
 
 Dr. HoDDKB— I consider that letter false, from beginning to end. All the 
 testimony produced here has not proved one charge. The character of the 
 witnesses, too, ought to have some weight. I would, therefore, beg to statv 
 
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 that the character I have heard of that young man, I am sorry to say— (hear, 
 hear) — ia far from what would givu credence t<» the stateinents that havo 
 appeared. If rightly informed, that young man was once a preacher of the 
 Gospel, and that he was — 
 
 Mr. Dixox— Since you have made alluf^ion to that, I am willing that you 
 should have the testimony of the Rev. Enoch Wood, as to my leaving the 
 ministry. I have no hesitation in referring you to that gentleman for my 
 character. 
 
 Mr. Bowes here ohjectedto any more irrelevant matter being introduced. 
 There had been too much of that already, and he hoped the parties would 
 confine themselves simply to the fact?, they had cither to prove the charges, 
 or to show that the statements in their letter was untrue. 
 
 Mr. Dixon said. Dr. Hodder had made iusinuations regarding his character. 
 He would solemnly declare that he was never dismissed from the mini&try — 
 that no charge was ever brought against him — but that he resigned from 
 motives and reasons Which he could easily state, if necessary. He would 
 call upon Dr. Hodder to state whether any charge had ever been brought 
 against him ? 
 
 Dr. HoDDEB made no reply, but passing from that subject without further 
 remark said, with respect to the charges made against Burns, he would say 
 that he had never seen him use any undue violence in any one single instance 
 whatever, nor had he known him to be guilty of any dereliction of duty 
 whatever. He is certainly not the most polished man in the world. He is 
 an old soldier, and like all old soldiers is in the habit of obeyiug orders Itj 
 rather a ftrMsg-Mtf manner, but that was all that he had ever seen about him 
 Wilh regard to the nurses generally, lie did not think there was a public. 
 Institution in this country where they performed their duty better than in 
 the Hospital. With ri'gard to cleanliness, perhaps it might be better mana- 
 ged in some respects, but he attributed tliat entirely to the building, and not 
 at all to the servants, for better servants he had not ecen. He had seen dirty 
 beds, but they were changed as often as they ceuld be. He had an old pa- 
 tient upstairs at the present time who was very diflicult indeed to keep clean. 
 With respect to vermin, he would say that it was impossible to keep such 
 places clear of them, but it is no worse iu this respect than other Eospitalgj 
 and not perhaps Wf^rse in that respect tlian many abodes of tlio poor. He 
 had vifeited houses of this kind, public Hospitals, in Eiigland, Scotland, and 
 France and Germany, ho had seen patients, covered with vermin in all these 
 Institutions, patients came in coved with vi.rmiii, and how w^?i i:; possible 
 they could be kept entirely fiom thriu. 
 
 Dr. HoDDFE here read tlie letter and said there was a charge o< crudty 
 preferred. I have never seen anything in the Hospital to justify such a 
 charge at least in regard to any se'-vaiit of the Hospital. Jf 1 have ever 
 seen it, it was on the part of one of U\e medical oihcers. The charge of moral 
 
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 pollution be did not thiuk could be sabatantiated. I have never witneRsed 
 Huch a thing either on the part of patients, nurses or medical oiiicers. I am 
 uot aware of anything of the kind existing in the Hospital. By moral pol- 
 lution I mean of course an immoral course of conduct, either licentiousness 
 of speech or improper intimacy between male and female patients. 
 
 Mr. Bowes— What medical officer do you refer to as practising cruelty. 
 
 Dr. HoDDER — The medical officer to whom I alluded was Dr. Aikins. I 
 was personally cognizant of two separate instances of cruelty praciiscd by 
 Dr. Aikins. The first was ia an operation for fiitula in perineo. In that case 
 Dr. Aikins made a transverse incision in the perineum instead of a perpendic* 
 ular one which is the usual mode. The second act of cruelty was in his per« 
 sisting to operate upon a boy named Jesse Nunn after he had repeatedly 
 failed in bis attempts to get the catheter into his bladder. I have been credi- 
 bly informed that that boy was on the table five different times upwards of 
 two ,houra each time, and would say that Dr. Aikins ought to have had 
 the president and the senior officers of the Hospital to assist him If he waa 
 not able to perform the operation himself. With respect to the success of the 
 operation, I believe that it was a student who told him Dr. Aikins where 
 he — onid find the urethra, and I believe that after this information he 
 
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 ivf . ' i ' Es — Was there any other Surgical operation performed in this Hos- 
 pital which you considered unscientifically performed. 
 
 Dr. HoDDER — I was only witness to the two 1 have mentioned. 1 was no^ 
 present at thtj commencement Tof tbe operation on the second case, although 
 Dr. Aikins stated to the contrary. I came into the room while the boy wa^ 
 on the table and found a secton made down to what 1 supposed to be the 
 urethra. I looked at it and from its shining appearance believed it to be the 
 urethra. I had not an opportunity of passing the probe, but I believed it turned 
 out to be a false passage. I have not witnessed any other operation by Dr. 
 Aikins since , but I would say that most of the operations performed by liimfDr 
 Aikins) have not been performed in a skillful manner. I have been told that in 
 an operation performed by him where an amputation was made below the knee 
 it was performed in bo unskillful a manner that the man very narrowly escap. 
 ed losing his life. 
 
 A Stddent~You will be pleased to observe Mr, Chairman, that this is only 
 hearsay evidence. 
 
 Dr. HoDDEE Indignantly — I don't wish to be interrupted by boys. 
 
 Mr BowKs— Are there any other cases that you know of? 
 
 Dr, HoDDEU— There was the case of a patient named Grace Sage, and a man 
 in the lower ward afflicted with Opthalmia. These two patients were in the 
 Hospital for two months, without havmg a prescription ordered to them; The 
 former of these cases is still extremely doubtful in conseqecnce of this neglect. 
 
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 There was another case, that of a woman named, Grace Heeley, who came into 
 the Hospital witli a fractured arm ami 1 hiive l)(?en told that the patient had 
 lost the use ot Iho arm inconsequence of the nnskillful treatment of Dr. Aikins 
 I think vhat these were sufficient to prove want of skill and want of professional 
 knowledge on the part of Dr. Aikins. He considered Dr Aikins unfit to 
 have charge of patients in a public hospital, either in a Medical or Surgical 
 point of view . 
 
 Mr..BowE3 — With respect to the general management of the Hospital as you 
 have had experience in diffiarent hospitals, how do you think this one will stand 
 comparison? 
 
 Dr. HoDDEE— With regard to the ability and attention of Dr Olarke, I would 
 Bay that a more skillfuVor attentive resident Surgeon could not be found. I be- 
 lieved that Dr. Olarke knows his profession as well as any man in Toronto, 
 and is as attentive to his duty as any medical man possible could be. I know 
 that Dr.Clarke has attendei my patients iiere wtih as much interest as if he had 
 to reap the benefit h'mself. 
 
 Mr. Bowes — Have your prescriptions been generally attended to promptly. 
 
 Dr. HoDDEU — I have occasionally ordered a change of medicine on going my 
 rounds, and on the following day I have found that the patient had not got the 
 medicine, but I attribute this to my own neglect in not entering the prescrip- 
 tion in the book. I am the only party to bear the blame in all such cases. 
 
 Mr. Bowes— Do you think this Hospital is managed as well as cau be done 
 with the means within our reach? 
 
 Dr. HoDDEU — Thought the hospital was as well managed as possible with 
 regard to diet, with the exception of brandy. He would hero state that the 
 trustees might not be aware that in particular cases brandy will remain on 
 the stomach of a patient, when whiskey would not. 
 
 In answer to Mr. Bowes — Dr. Widmor said that if good malt whiskey was 
 supplied, brandy might be dispensed with. He had lived as a medical prac- 
 titioner both in a civil life and a military life and considered that, for Medi- 
 cal purposes, any good spirit although it had not the aroma of brandy was 
 just as useful as brandy as a stimulant. 
 
 Dr. HoDDER — said as a general rule he thought that the good beer, and the 
 excellent wine and whiskey provided by the Trustees would answer every 
 purpof e, but there were some cases when brandy would agree with the e?omach 
 of a patient when none of the others would do as a substitute. 
 
 The Chairman — Do you know of an instance where medical men have or- 
 dered brandy and it has been refused. 
 
 Dr. HoDDER— Dr. fjBovell has said so and he (Dr. Hodder) had ordered 
 brandy himself frequently. 
 
 Mr. Bowks.— What do you know respecting Mtb, Donnelly as a nurse ? 
 
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 Di'. HoDDER.— I believe Mrs DonacUy is a perfectly sober and trustworthy 
 nuree. I have never soon her in such a comiitlon as lo oxclto the slightest sus- 
 picion that she had taken what she ought not lo havo tnkcu. She has always 
 obeyed any orders I have given her, and attended to tbo patients regularly 
 Like Burns she is not polished, but ao I'ur as 1 have seen her, she does her 
 duty faithfully. I have never seen the slightest disrespect on her part to any 
 of the authorities of the Hospital. With respect to the students, they havo 
 always paid the greatest courtesy that a medical oHlcer could expect. Mrs. 
 Donnelly's ward is not so clean perhaps as the others, but that does not 
 arise from any want of care on her part but on account of the particular kind 
 of patients that are placed under her charge. I have ordered baths occasion- 
 ally, and always understood that the patients got them ; I have never heai-d 
 anything to the contrary ; I think patients could always have a bath if abso- 
 lutely necessary. I do not know that the bath is a portable one, but in cases 
 where I havo ordered it the patients go to it. It is usual in general cases in 
 other Hospitals, where patients require a bath, to go to another room. I 
 have seen in England a bath brought to the bedside of a patient but in large 
 Hospitals in Europe generally there are bath houses where all the patients 
 are required to go . 
 
 Mr. Bowes.— What is your opinion witn respect to Dr. Clarke's moral char- 
 acter. 
 
 Dr. HoDDER. — I have known Dr. Clarke for some years ; I have been at- 
 tached to this Hospital for two years, and from my experience I can say that 
 I believe him to be an upright, honest, sober, gentlemanly person in every 
 r aspect ; I know nothing against his moral character whatever. He would 
 not permit any immorality at all in this Hospital if he knewjof it. I have never 
 seen him exercise the i slightest partiality to any student or students over the 
 others ; I have never known any case in which Dr. Clarke was drunk in this 
 Institution. 
 
 Dr. Hallowell. — As you have testified to the character of Burns, I want to 
 know if you ever heard that that functionary had oeen dismissed from another 
 Institution. 
 
 Dr. HoDDEE.— Not until yesterday. I heard that Burns had been a ser- 
 vant at the Asylum, but I never heard that he had been dismissed. The su- 
 perintendent of the female servants has discharged her duty in a most exem- 
 plary manner ; I have never known any of the patients suflfer for want of 
 proper ^diet ; but when hungry wretches come in hero, I have no doubt they 
 will think Hospital allowance very scanty. 
 
 Mr Bowes. — Have you known any patients leave the Hospital in conse- 
 quence of neglect on the part of the medical officers of the Institution? 
 
 Dr. HoDDEU.^I am not aware of any. I have known them}leaving the irn.^- 
 pltal coQviaced they might do better elsewhere, but not from neglect on Uid 
 
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 part of the medical officer. The only one I can bring up at the moment is 
 that man that refused to be operated on by Dr. Alkins, and consented rather 
 to leave the Hospital. 
 
 Dr. AiKiNH. — Do you not remember also a woman upstaii'S who refused to 
 be operated on by Dr. Ilodder, and left the Hospital on the same day ? 
 
 Dr. HoDDER. — I was not at all anxious to operate upon her^ because it was 
 a very malignant disease, and I considered the removal of the limb the only 
 chance she had of her life. 
 (^ Dr. Wright. — What as to Hospital lances ? 
 
 Dr. HoDDER — I consider the Hospital badly off for instruments, and I 
 should have said that leeches had been lefused by the trustees. 
 
 Mr Lennon — I wish to know whether it is usual to leave it optional with 
 patients whether they will have a limb removed or not. 
 
 Dr Hodder — It is under certain circumstances. 
 
 Dr AiKixs- 1 am prepared to say that that woman who refused to be ope- 
 rated upon by Dr. Hodder consented to have her limb removed after she left 
 the Hospital. 
 
 Mr. Lexnon— Do you think it possible that any of the patients in the Hos- 
 pital could influence others in regard to medical attendants ? 
 
 Dr. Hodder— It is perfectly easy to do so; a man with a fractured arm 
 could easily walk to the bed-side of another patient. Patients as well aB 
 students can exercise their own discrimination, and they have a perfect right 
 to leave the Hospital if they find they can't be operated on as they wish. 
 
 Dr. Wrioht— What case had been operated on in this Hospital by Dr. 
 Aikins before that one case alluded to? 
 
 Dr. Hodder — The only cases are the two I have mentioned. 
 
 Dr. Wright— I do not recollect the exact time when the first case alluded 
 to occurred, but I think it was about three months after we joined the Hos- 
 pital. Now I should like to know what possible connection there could be 
 between the cases. 
 
 Dr. Hodder— I have no doubt that public rumour was the cause of the 
 objections made to Dr. Aikins operating. 
 
 Mr Lennox — Happening to be present while the operation for fistula was 
 going on, I wish to ask Dr. Hodder if he did not come forward and take the 
 probe into his hand and remain nearly a quarter of an hour trying to find a 
 passage into the boy's bladder ? 
 
 Dr. Hodder— I came forward, but 1 did not take Dr. Aikins's place. 
 Mr. Lennon — Did you not use the probe ? 
 
 Dr. Hodder— I used it in my left hand. I did not take Dr. Aikins's place, 
 and did not see the iusiision properly. 
 
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 Mr. Levnon — I was present on that occasion, nod I assert it to be correct 
 that Dr. Hodder was offered every opportunity of using the probe. He had 
 as good an opportunity of doing so uh Dr. Ailiins had, and that he failed in 
 introducing the probe into the bladder. Thi8 1 can prove, and would take 
 my oath upon. 
 
 i ., Dr. Hodder — 1 was close to the patient, if you mean by " close to thw 
 patient," that I was as close to his head as Dr. Ail^ins was to his tail, but I 
 say it is totally false. 
 
 Mr. Bentley — Am I to understand that Mr. Hodder used the probe with- 
 out looking what he was doing ? 
 
 Dr. HoDDEK — ^No ; but 1 was not in the best position in which I i.ould 
 use it. 
 
 Mr. Bentley— I understood that the probe was used about a quarter of an 
 hour. 
 
 Dr. Hodder — It is simply false. 
 
 Dr. Hallowell — I wish to ask Dr. Widraer whether he has ever known, 
 in his military or civil practice, a case of fistula in perineo, treated by a 
 transverse incision. 
 
 Dr. Widmer — No, Sir, I never have. 
 
 Dr. Hodder here stated, in answer to a question from Dr. Richardson, that 
 some of the best nurses and servants in large hospitals were somewhat rough 
 in their manner. He also stated that students attending large hospitals in 
 Europe considered it a privilege to furnish their own instruments for cupping, 
 bleeding and tooth-drawing. He referred to the cupper in Guy's Hospital, 
 who made a large salary by the fees he received from the students for teach- 
 ing them cupping. 
 
 Dr. Philbwck, here stated that he came on the first day to give his testi- 
 mony, and being very weakly he had drapped down in a faint while going 
 out. It had been said that he was intoxicated, ho wished to know from Dr. 
 Widmer or Dr. Telfer if that was their opinion. He did not wish to be tra- 
 duced by these trashy toadstools, 
 
 Mr. Bowes— I am not aware that such a thing was eaid. 
 
 Dr.^PHiLBEiCK.— It was said publicly, and I ask whether Dr. Telfer or Dr. 
 Widmer believe it was the effect of disease or the effect of drink. 
 Dr. BovELL. — It was stated in the presence of the Sheriff that he was drunk. 
 
 Dr. HalIiOwkll, — I was told so by Mi-. Gray. 
 
 Mr. Ghav I say most distiacMy that it is false. I sai'l, that it was suggest- 
 ed that Dr. Philbrick should leave the rnom that he might not disgrace the 
 Institution for it was believed that he w.is not sober. 
 
 Dr. Hallowell — I beg leave to call that gentleman to order. He iF nly 
 a gtudent of medicine 1 I wont say behind a man's back what I would not say 
 
before his face,— 1 apcaal to you therefore, gentlemen, of this trust, and to 
 the medical men present and to the students, if the conduct of this individu- 
 al throughout this investigation has not been most nnbecomiug. (Order, 
 order, hisses.) and moat disgraceful, (Order, order.) 
 
 The Oh airman— I -will not permit this. l|inBi8t upon having order, to allow 
 the investigation to proceed. 
 
 Mr. Benti^gt— I wish to ask Dr. Hodder through youi Mr. Chairman , who 
 it was that said the operations performed by Dr. Aikins were unskilfully per- 
 forraetl. ' 
 
 Dr. HoDDEB— I refuse to answer that question. But it can be proved. I 
 referred to it, not from my own knowledge but from what I heard. 
 
 Mr. BENTIJ3Y— Could Dr. Telfer, or Dr. Bovell, or Dr. Russell conoborate 
 that statement. 
 
 Dr. Tklfku. — I could not corrnberate that statement 
 
 Mr. Bentlet — Was it a medical man who made that statement? 
 
 Dr. HoDDBK. I should not have listened to any statement of a non-profesa- 
 ional man. -- . v ,,!.,» ,. 
 
 Mr. Bentlxy. I wish to ask Dr. Hodder whether from the fact oi his hav- 
 ing sat at the Board of Examiners with Dr. Aikins, and from other sonrces, 
 he has not had abundant evidence that Dr, Aikins is very thoroughly ac- 
 quainted with anatomy. 
 
 Dr. Hodder— My belief is that he is a thorough anatomist, but that he is 
 neither a surgeon nor a physician. There are many advantages which can- 
 not be acquired in a small country town. A man may be a thorough anatom- 
 ist and a very bad operator ; I have known some men of the highest medical 
 talent in London, the best medical surgeon to consult in any case not re- 
 quiring operations. I need only mention Sir. Benjamin Brodie, and Mr. 
 Benjamin Travers, two of the best surgeons of the day,not good operators, but 
 they were good anatomists and the best consulting surgeons in Europe. 
 
 Mr. Bentley. — In this case in regard to the position of the urethra, it.ia said 
 that Dr. Aikins did not know we^^, co find it. This is a question peculiarly 
 relating to anatomy and yet Dr. Aikins in spite of his knowledge of anatomy 
 required information in regard (o this point from one of his students. I would 
 ask Dr. Hodder in what respect he considers Dr. Aikins deficient aa a sur- 
 geon ? is he unskilful ? does he want nerve or what? Dr, Hodder had made 
 a statement that Sir Benjamin Brodie and Mr. Benjamin Travers were not 
 good operators, this 's contrary to the general opinion. 
 
 Dr. HoDDEK — I don't think it is want of nerve, nor want of knowledge of ana- 
 tomy, merely a want of practise in operation: I would let any one take the 
 result of his operations, take the manner in which they were performed, and 
 say whether they were skilfully performed. — 
 
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 Mr. Bbntley— I would ask whether the incision referred to was a transverse 
 or oblique incision, and what was its extent. 
 
 Dr. HoDDEa. — It was what we call a transverse incision in the peruieuiri, 
 the length of the incision might be two inches. 
 
 Mr. Bentlby— I was present on the occasion, and 1 did not think the iiicib 
 ion was more than half an inch. 
 
 Dr. HoDDEa— Are you a medical practitioner t 
 
 Mr. Bentley — I am a medical student, and 1 am quite able to distini^uisii 
 between half an inch and two inches. 
 
 Dr. HoDDER—If it was only half an inch it was not half enough. 
 
 Mr. Lennon— Are you aware of any patient having died under an opeiatiou 
 by Dr. Aikins ? 
 
 Dr. HoDDER— No — I never saw a patient die under an operation in my hfe 
 unless in Guy's Hospital in London, I am not aware of any patient having ilied 
 from hemorrhage in this Institution but even should a secondary hemorrhage oc- 
 cur, it is no blame in the operator. 
 
 Dr. Fhillbrick.— Did you not hear Dr. Aikins say that the only cases he 
 did not enter on his book were cases oi weakness where the patients required rest 
 and nourishment 1 
 
 Dr. HODDEE.~I did. 
 
 Dr. Ph ILLS RICK — Do you consider the Hospital a proper place for weak per- 
 sons, or that strength would likely be gathered there 1 
 
 Dr. HoDDEK— I think that cases of that kind should no the admitted to the Hos- 
 pital at all, but occasionally such cases are admitted, because we have no Poor- 
 house here. 
 
 The Ohairman said there was a House of Industry in townyandherequet^ted 
 the medical gentlmen to understand that the funds of th'd Institution are not for 
 that purpose. He hoped in future the profession would send such cases to the 
 Poor House. 
 
 Dr. HoDDER.— Occasonally the House of Industry has been so crowded that 
 we could not get such patients admitted there. 
 
 Mr. Lennon. — I wish you to name the student who showed Dr. Aiiiiiis the 
 passage into the urethra after he had been uuable to find it. 
 
 Dr. HoDDER. — I cannot g've the name of the student from my own know- 
 ledge ; I merely heard that a student had pointed out the true passage. 
 
 Some further remarks here passed between Mr. Lennon Dr. Scott Dr. Phil- 
 brick and Dr. Hodder in regard to the operation for tistula already so frequently 
 alluded to, when 
 
 Dr. Richardson — Asked whether Dr. Hodder thought the statements in the 
 letter of the 24th were truej? 
 
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 Dr. HoDDEB.— From my own knowledge I say thoy arc false from beginning 
 to end. 
 
 Dr. RicnABDSON'.—Do you think such Htatetnonts sent forth to the public 
 will not have an injurious cflcct upon the Institution ? 
 
 Dr. HoDDKii.— Unc^uestionably. 
 
 Dr. RicuABDSON'. — Is not such a letter most Uiscroditablo to the party who 
 wrote it ? 
 
 Dr. IIoouEU. — I Hhould bo very sorry to bo tlie author of Huch a letter, but 
 I think the Institutlou will not be injurcfl by it. 
 
 In answer to Mr. Lennon, Dr. Iloddcr said, that ns a general rulp, the names 
 of the patients were entered on Lho boolw bi'f«ro ri-cslviug trcatinoat, but that 
 rule was freciucntly violated. Jt, was pos.siblo, als^o, tliat in his own week pa- 
 tients may have been taken in, uud allowed to lie some days without treat- 
 ment. 
 
 Dr. AiKiNs. — Are you prepared to prove that Grace Sage got no treatment 
 for some days ? 
 
 Dr. HoDDEB. — I refuse to answer that (juestion, because it is merely hear- 
 say. 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS. — It is very strange you have brought forward two cases to in- 
 jure my character, and when questioned you say it is merely hear-say. 
 
 Dr. HoDDEB. — I shall say for myself. When the persons who told me come 
 up, I shall put the questions to them. 
 
 Dr. WiDMKB said tho current that this enquiry bad taken required him to 
 bring before their notice the contents of a letter which had been addressed to 
 the trustees. He wished that letter to be read and recorded upon the minutcg. 
 rt was impossible for them to go on further with this enquiry without inter- 
 fering with the whole business of the Hospital. The medical officers were all 
 engaged here at a great sacrifice on their part, and all the servants of the 
 Institution were kept from their duty. He thought that this letter, which 
 would now be read, would do away with the necessity of any further exami- 
 nation of the medical staff. 
 
 The Secretary then read the following letter : — 
 
 " To the Trustees of the Toronto General Hospital. 
 
 Gentlemen, — Having read in the Colonist, of Saturday last, a letter 
 (signed *A Medical Student') imputing to all who have any authority in 
 this Institution, and knowledge of what is passing therein, the most disgrace- 
 ful conduct, viz., that of permitting certain atrocities to pass unheeded ; we, 
 as medical officers of the Hospital, beg to state, from our experience within 
 its walls, that we regard this letter as a tissue of malicious falsehoods ; that 
 we have never seen in the Hospital any " corruption which exists and stalks 
 forth in open day ;" that it is false to call the Hospital a " house of si u,' 
 
meaning thereby that mIu has an especial resort therein ; that it i» equally 
 false to call it a "fountain of moral pollution,*' or to say that " it Is lillhy.' 
 
 Wo beg to say that wo conceive thai, the 2r*"vlcHt credit is due to Dr. 
 Olarltc. the resident medical ofHcer, lor the j,'oneial good order and cloanliricpa 
 of the Hospital, and also for the zeal, attention and ability which he has, for 
 so many years, shown in the discharge of hin oncrons and, frc(iuently, un- 
 pleasant professional duticH. With regard to the orderly, Burns, and the 
 nurse alluded to, we desire to say that we have never observed anything ap- 
 proaching to cruelty on their parts, and wo ))eliove thcni both to bo steady, 
 honest, and wcU-deserviug servants of tlie InHtitution. 
 
 We trust that for the credit of the Hospital, and of all connected witii it, 
 nothing will bo spured in investigating this matter, and iu tracing the real 
 author of the letter, and any other persons who may have been abettorn in 
 tbo dlauders cast upon the Institution. 
 
 We have the honor lo be. Gentlemen, 
 Your obedient servants. 
 
 WALTER TETiFER, Surgeon. 
 GEORGE HERRICK, M D.A.13. 
 W. R. BEAUMONT, F.R.C.S., Eng. 
 E. M. HODDER, M.D. & F.R.C.S,, Eng. 
 JAMES BOVELL, M.D., Trin. Col, Toronto.' 
 
 This did not close tiie investigation, however, as recommended by Di.Widmor, 
 for Dr. Beaumont, was called upon to state that he knew about the Institution. 
 
 Dr, Bkaumont. — It ia not my intention to answer any (juestions, but I wisli to 
 malte some observations not quite irrelevant, to the matter before the 
 Board. It has been said by some of tiie students that they do not get that amount 
 oi instruction they think they are entitled to on account of the irregularity of the 
 medical officres. I beg to state that some time ago when this (luestion came up 
 in conection with Dr. Stratford's ii;ierference, I stated to the trustees that so far 
 as the rules of Jhe Institution, wtht, I would attend on my admitting week, but 
 at other hours I would attendj wlien it suited my convenience, provided such 
 attendance did not interfere with the business of the Hospital. I may state that 
 Df.Olarke and the other medical olliceis of this Institution are placed on a differ- 
 ent footing from medical officers in similar Institution at home. They receive fees 
 from the students for their instruction and have a claim upon their attendance 
 Here we do our duty gratuitously, and the public must know that whenever 
 duty is done gratuitously a great deal of allowance must be made. The trustees 
 cliJ not say I should attend regularly at noon. I have however attended regularly 
 so far as regards my patients. When in the Toronto University I did attend 
 regularly every day but it is different now. 1 do not consider, however, that the 
 students have the slightest claim upon me for instruction*^, I may have said 
 something to them by way of instruction ; but the students have not the slightest 
 
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 claim upon me. A great deal has been said to show error in practice, but error 
 will 8ome times occur with the most oxporieuci'd men. Every man must begin 
 to operate, but those are best quiililied to bejjin who have Been operations per- 
 formed, ami Ur. AikinH and Dr. Wi is;ht I must nay have not had opportunitiei of 
 seeing a great many surgical operutions pei formt-d. It cannot be expected that 
 in a small place like Toronto they can have had an opiwrtunity of seeing u great 
 many operations, 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS — Oan you prove that statement 1 
 
 Dr. HEAUMrtN'r. -Dr. Wri<jht has stated that he was educated in Canada, you 
 I believe, were some time in Philadelphia and coiist'cjuently may have seen more 
 than he hay. 
 
 Dr. AiKiNs. — When you make a statement against my professional ability. 1 
 think you ought to be able to substantiate every word you say. 
 
 Dr. Be\umont. — I was speaking about those best qualified to conduct opera* 
 tions. 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS." — I state most distinctly that Dr. Beaumont would lead any person 
 to infer that I havo not had the means «f learning my profession perfectly, and 
 therefore he ought to be able to substantiate this statement; 
 
 Dr. Beaumont — I say you caunothave had an opportunity of seeing so large 
 i number of operations as many gentlemen havo. Those gentlemen who have 
 been educated at home, and those who liave spent some half dozen years in Hos- 
 pitals in New York must have had many advantages that gentlemen educated in 
 Toronto caimot have, and it wouKl have been better that gentlemen not having 
 so large experience had been appointed os assistants to the Hospital staff. There 
 is a certain responsibility involved in taking part in operations which I should no) 
 ilcsire to share, unless with persons whom I know to be in the habit of operating.' 
 I should not greatly desire to assist in an operation performed either by Dr. Ai- 
 kins or by Dr. Wright. I shouhl not desire to do so. I did once assist Dr: 
 Wright in an operiition but I don't know why he should ask me rather thau Dr* 
 Aikins to assist him. 
 
 Dr. Wright. — Do you know that I did not ask Dr. Aikina. 
 
 Dr. Bkaumont, after some hesitation , «aid he did not know whether Dr. Ai- 
 kins had been asked or not. 
 
 Dr, WiiKJiiT. — I did ask Dr. Aikina and Dr. Tolfer too, and I asked you aa 
 a matter of professional courtesy, as you wore there at the time. 
 
 Dr. Beaumoxt. — I state again that I do^not think that parties who have not 
 had much experience should be appointed to Hospitals. I think also that as 
 [ and four of my colleagues havo signed the letter to the Trustees, stating 
 that we consider the letter signed "Medical Student," a tissue of falsehoods — 
 I think it is rij^ht that it should bo niad(j clearly known whether Dr. Aikins 
 and Dr. Wright deem the statements in the Colonist correct and justifiable. 
 
 Mr. Bowk8. — J wish first to havo an answer from you to one or two general 
 fiuestioas iu regard to the general mauugemcut of the Hospital. 
 
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 Dr. BKACVfOVT.— I havo soon nothinj; timf f do not considor crcditabU' to tho 
 Institution, C')ii«i(l<'rinj? IN nifloiircos. Kvcrythlii;^ tliitt I hiwo wvn on tho 
 part of Ur. Cliirki;. d<v)n him tlicHuKti-'st crodit. There is no man in tho Hos- 
 pital that I WDuld asif to a'<.'<i-t jn<; in opcratinc; in pniff-r nco to Dr. ClnrI<o. 
 Dr. Clari<o is th' most, tiinpHrat" m m I tvtr m'.-l wltli. 1 havo often in\i<-n a 
 gla-s of miv) ill thn II )HpIi,il with ^om • of Iv • cxatninini^ Hitird, hut I do not 
 thinlt that ovor on snc!i an oco i ion, Dr. Clark.-) woiild take a ^la-s of win»). 
 Tho K*>iieral hi;arini,'ol" Dr. (Uailoj h.u bioa .-luoh as to .^'ivo tho highest satis- 
 faction to all parties. 
 
 Mr. ntcvri.ijv.— I ask Dr. B 'aufnont if h • con-<id<!r? IiIh di'^nity wounded by 
 consultin;jj with his as-<ocia cs Dr-i. Aikiin .ml Wrigli^ ' 
 
 Dr. Ilicn,viu)so.v.— [ ns-^crt th it for him. I dHsort that Dr. Beaumout stands 
 at the v.Ty top of his profi"i:<ion in Toronto. 
 
 Dr. WroMKii was n-xt (jvamin -il. ILs s'mM. I hav(; boon connoctod with tliis 
 Hospital sincf it was opened. We havi; had a vast var'^ty of m'Mlical 0(1. erw 
 in it ; som-! indilferent, .soiio vory bid iml^ed ; hut we "avo tfot onu now '.ho 
 conducts It with jjreat skill and trreat eiUi iiMicy. lie l.ns th.; jjreate.st (.<nQ- 
 dence of all th(! niedi(!;il ofBcors, Du'ing the whole comse of ) t-ars th vt I have 
 obst.'rv.d the conduct >A' Dr. Clark- I r.ni niqldy .«atislied with it. l-i respect 
 to attention, /.oal, intc;ritj' and courtesy, ho c.iuaot be Kuryas.sed iu any one 
 of these qualuic^. [Clieers] 
 
 Dr. Clahkk.— You are iu tho habit of visitini? this Institution every du;, : 
 Did you ever sec rae under the influence of lifjuor? 
 
 Dr. VViDMKK.— No, I declare most i)o>itively that I never did. 
 
 Mr. Bk.vtlky.— Do tho TrnNtoe.s receive the fees of the student ' 
 
 Mr. Bowi;.s.— We receive the fees of tho students, and wo arc uoL . ble after 
 all to furnish brandy. 
 
 Mr. BK.vrt.uY.— I wish the posi'Ion of t>tio students somewhat defined.— I 
 merely wit^h to say that the students pay their fe(>s for the benefit of the in- 
 struction they expect to receive here. 
 
 Dr IlEimrcK. -I have attended tho Hospital for about 12 year.". In ray ad- 
 mitting week I havo been always re^nhir in attendance. It is customary for 
 the per.-on receivinj? patients to attoml them until they leave th ■ Hospital. 
 
 The Doctor having made t^omo remarks in regard to the course pursued in 
 Klng'd College in regard to clinical lectures, said, tho receiving ofDcer baa 
 a right to attend all the cases that are admitted by him. I know of no case 
 where Dr. CJlarkc has departed from his duties. I have found him always im- 
 partial so far as I could jiidgn ; I have never seen anything where there was 
 not the utmost attention. Until he was appointed, this Hospital was very bad- 
 ly arranged. I have had an opportunity of jud;; rr of Dr. Clarke's ability aa 
 a medical man and I think he would be n credit '• ,i" hospital. I should say 
 that in a remote place like this, it is extremely ducult to got a proper per- 
 son for such an institution, 1 havo uot known him show partiality to 
 any of the students of any school of medicine over the other. 
 
 Iklr. Bowes,— Is it customary for medic? I jjentlemen to send a note to say 
 who they wish a patient put under. 
 
 Dr. Herkick. -I unJersitand that some of the medical gentlemen havo done 
 80, but I never did. As to the mauagemeat of tho Hospital, I may say that I 
 havebeenattendingnospitals ^'or the last 150 years and I think I know as much of 
 Hospital practice as any man in Canada; and for the last 8 years,— I only speak 
 since then because the Hospital was not properly managed before— it is as 
 well managed an Hospital now as any ever I saw. I have been in Hospitals 
 in Dublin and Edinburgh and other places, and I never saw an Hospital better 
 managed than this one has been for the last 8 year.s. I never saw anything 
 wrong with the nurses. 1 never saw anything of cruelty, or anything but 
 the utmost attention. So far as I am concerned I never eaw anything but re- 
 
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 epect and obedience on the part of Mrs Donnelly. I know Baras : I never eaw 
 any particular rougbncgs about him. I saw a man come in with his hat on, 
 Burns tooli bis bat by the brim and said, every person here must have his hat 
 ofif. There wa^- no roughness that I could observe. He took the hat off and 
 told tlio patient tiiat be i-bould be uncovered ; this was only a week a(.'0. 
 
 Dr. Dixon.— The case to which I referred occurcd more than six months 
 ago. 
 
 Mr. Bowicn. - In the case of a person fainting from bleeding — What remedy 
 would you aj'ply? 
 
 Dr. llioKKicK. I would apply hartshorn, or I would take him into the open 
 air. It is customary to throw water upon the face. I would do so by putting 
 my hand in the basin, and thou sprinkling it with my fingers, — so— [Here 
 the Doctor suited the aetlou to the word]. It would not bo cruel to take a 
 patient by the arms and draw him out in the open air. I don't know that it 
 could be done otherwi-c. I would not consider it correct to leave him out in 
 very cold wtathor. There is no building like this that you can keep free fiom 
 veimin : but, I hitvo never seen them more here tluiu in ordinary C3>es. In 
 Bume ol the Hospitals in the old country there is a bath room where sicb cases 
 would be sent, and their wearina- clothes would then be taken away from 
 them. But h^ ic there is no Hospital dress, which there should be. Under the 
 circums ancis I think it is as well managed as any Hospital can be. It is 
 kept as c\{iu\ as such a building could be. I nevv.r saw any of the beds, or 
 sheets, or blankets but what were ordinanly clean. I never heard any ob.>cene 
 language used by any person in this Institution, either by medical oCQcers of 
 the Institution, or by •■servants in the Hospital. 
 
 Mr. Lexnon — Have you been up stairs in this Hospital on more than one 
 occasioa this winter, at 12 o'clock- the hour appointed'? 
 
 Dr. llEUiacK— I have been repeatedly up staits but I thought one o'clock 
 was the hour. 
 
 Mr. Lkxxox — With regard to this bleeding case, does Dr Herrick believe 
 that if a patient is bled lo sincope, ihat water should be dashed in bis face? 
 
 Dr. I-lEiiKrcK — It was your duty to have stopped him. 
 
 Mr. Luxxox— The patient came in here togeticli f. It was granted to 
 him by the Medical *liicer. I Avas ordered by the ctlicer to bleed him. He 
 got the ri lief he required, and had to go out in the middle of winter with his 
 clothes all wet. 
 
 Dr. Hkiuuck — Was it not humanity in Burns to do what he could to re- 
 lieve the man'? 
 
 Dr. RiciiAiiDsox — 1 would like to ask Dr. Herrick what he would think of 
 the qualification of a young man to bleed a patient — who would bleed a man 
 almost pubeless, and still keep up in an upright position. 
 
 Dr.HALLowELL — I beg to submit that this is entirely out of order. — Dr.Her- 
 rick has been called upon as the oldest Medical Man in the room and his 
 t^-stimany is attempted to be impugned by a young gentleman who has not 
 the i-lij^htest qualification to stand upon. 
 
 Dr. Herrick — I don't think the young man got exactly fair play in this 
 bleeding case. There ought to be bleeding cups marked to the proper quan- 
 tity 4 oz. cups or G oz. cups or 10 oz. cups But without these a young 
 man might take 16 ounces instead of 10. 
 
 Dr. lliCHARDsoN — I don't want to say one word to injure the young man. 
 If I have said anything to injure his character or his reputatiou I am sorry 
 for it and will take every means publicly to retract it. 
 
 Some little discussion took place between Dr. Cotter and Dr. Herrick in 
 regard to whether it was cruelty or not to throw the water, as Burns had 
 done, and then the Dr. made some allusion to the abolishing of the faculty of 
 Medicine from the University. He was determined, he said to resign hie con- 
 
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 nection with the Hospital, but had bocii urged by Dr. Beaumont not to do so 
 until there was no eliancc of the M( dieal - citool Ijeiiig again attached to the 
 Cniversity. But ihe very tLiny tliai lie ft and Lad oucmred ; jtulousy had 
 come into the Hospifni. lie had dc'tiimiind, huwevtv, uiiiil saw how 
 things would wurk to go on as l)tf'ure. Ho tlioughc the Trusteeri had actt d in 
 a very Impartial way. Tht'ie is no hosp tal in iiurope has so many Medical 
 attendants a^- this Hospital lir.s; nm.-t of flicm have have only fuur. He had no 
 wish to iiijui'c I'ltlur of ilie 'Seli"i)h. On the uoiitraiy, aj< h'.s own .chodl i.s 
 gou'.' he did evoiythiuji in his power to as-is !)olb uf tii'tn He was not a'.varu 
 ^vh(".h"l D'.-.Aikin.s i.ndWi ight juvt ciiical le. uius in Ihi! Hospital; bui.il' they 
 give sucli lectures else ^vlicre. He tlioii;^! '■ In- Tju.-tie-- ought to insist that they 
 give thet-ii lectun s in the Ho-p 1^:1. ilv, liad m v« r siiov.n Dr. Aikiiis or Dr. 
 Wright anything but the utniui-t couiti sy. He understood thatDr.Hodder and 
 Dr. Bovell had ^iveu ciiiiicul Itcturts during the winter in the Huspital. 
 
 Dr. HoDDiiR 1 lave ui)i hefuini tluiigUnh kst wt!,te-. Dr. Hovelt has 
 ^iven cliJJU'iU ectnriH But I wi-h tokn .w wlielhor we are bound to lecture 
 tj atty but our own mniit dIs? 
 
 Mr. Bentlky wished t . know (rem theTrusUes irhfUiertbo Students paid 
 their fees i<> :.'.o t'li; piwciire of the Hi P[.iial. oriuly to see the practice of 
 any particular <fficer, He bad wndi-rf-t < d that the ttudeiit paid his fee to 
 Bea the practice of all the mediral tcentleiioi'. and not of any oue in particu- 
 lar, and be ws.nted to know whether the Trufcti'ts in demandirg a fee have 
 not ttie iiica that the studentK i-hou d hav: the hintfitof instrucuon from all 
 the medical officers. The hour tor stuslents is fixed at noon daily throughout 
 iho)ear, and ihe Ltcturts which they aitend are regulated so as to enabla 
 them to be here at that hour ; but if the medical officers do not attend at that 
 particular boar, the students it is very CiVidftut, cannot derive any advantage 
 from their inslructious, 
 
 Mr. Bowes thought, that 8o far a;; the rule was concerned, the Trustees 
 had only a claim upon the medic d officer for the week that he admitted 
 the patients. It was then expected ihaj h,; shrald be present at uoou. 
 
 Dr. Beaumont — said it- w.)uid be ptrfec.iy nonsfcrous to suppose that all 
 the medical officers should come to this Hospital every day at noon to visit 
 one or two patients. It would be a tax U|ion their i.iKi« which half the med- 
 ical men could not give He could not duso, and isvould bo obliged to resign 
 if the TrusteoM required it. 
 
 Some little conversation here ensueu iiiTregard to the practice of the Hos- 
 pital 
 
 Dr. Hallowell thought that if there were rules for the guidance of the 
 medical gentleman in ri^gard to thei- atiendaiice, tney ought to be carried ou":. 
 Oue rule ia that they attend at 12 o'clock. He would like to ask Dr. Wright 
 whpther ho had always a! to tided at that h(Mir. 
 
 Dr. Weight -N'ot always. 
 
 Dr. GaANT— If the Trustees could not manage so as to got. the medical offi- 
 cers to attend at 12 o'clock it wai impoa^ihle for the students to derive any 
 benefit at; all from oiaiug to the Horspitdl. He * e^'ged leave to say that in 
 the old oouiiirir this is parii^ulirly altonded to. H j had seen four medical 
 gentlemen attend regularly all at ojetim", aod 'he students have justice 
 douo them. Here it was evident ihHtjucilice was out done the students and 
 tJioy canuoi; re.ip the advautage which the Hospital holds out as a school of 
 prac'ice. Hero there wera two schooU of loedicine in which ihey were 
 tMlnin^ young men to go a'lroad through tha giCit province to practise as 
 meJicsal me.i. HiW weca ttiey traiaing them aad sending them out to pur- 
 sue their profesiion ? By giving them very inadequate ideas of their busi- 
 ne*s. Uuleasthe Trustees could mmsgw affair-* in sucn a way that the stu- 
 dents cau reap this benefit, they were doing a gross injustice to the publie 
 «t large a« well as to the atudenta. 
 
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 Dr. BovELL was next requested to give evidence. He said he wonld eino- 
 ply make a few statements wbichthe Secretary ueed not detain the meeting 
 by ■writing out, aslu' ■vroiild furnish a copy of it after the examiDation whs 
 over. I liiive read the lettpr in the ''cloniil, ard 1 iiave signed a letter with 
 my colleiiguts, which 1 think a sulRcent ansv;er to tha falsehoods contained 
 in that lei t.r. Frmu the turn tiuiif^s have taken in this iiiTestit-alion I feel 
 80 aHhains;d of the position which 1 occupy that I !iad resolved absolutely to 
 r« fii.-e to answer any question at all. The chavgciers of iudividuala have 
 been most unsparingly ussaiUuI, and tbo partiea liave not been upon oaih 
 who mdde thi; charges,. I thiiik it; would have been far better if the Trus- 
 tees had examii f-d ihose pcrsoris privately or calkd upon the governroent 
 to examine Hum by coraniissiou. The way r,on)0 ^f the questions had been 
 put was nioi-t in.snliiug, and characters of inilividua's had been m-ist wan- 
 tonly amiilt'd, ;i lid ncne of the parties upon oalh. 
 
 Ttie Chaikman — Yoa u;\: aware that, notice wucs given to alJ, the partteH 
 that it Tvna ojiiy voluntary oa their part to answer any question at all. The 
 officer8 of th'H In^iinitii-n have been assailed by the students of a mtdical 
 .-^ciiool in this city, and tke Tinistei^d thougiitib was absolutely neceHs^ary, 
 believing ar- they did, that there was not a pavticleof foundation, much l^ss 
 of truth, in tLe statements n-ade by that fctudeii — '.o put a atop t© this vici- 
 ous practict, emanudng fro'Vi a vicious mind no duubt, wv taki.ig testimony 
 voluntarily fi<;m anj genileman wiiocanie Auward to give leHtimony in re- 
 lation to the conduct of ibis IriBtitution. The management of this Institn- 
 tinn haw buen assailed You have besu attending this Inatitui-i m, fitnl as 
 y<u have Jiad the kii dne.-K to come frward, we would feel much obli- 
 ged to A ou for ynur opiriion. 
 
 Di. BovELi..- T ha^e been connected with li;e Eo.spital i'.a-over 15 yeary. 
 I was tight \i'uis us a student in London and Dublin. The only fault I can 
 find to this Hospital iKiis cor. S' ruction. I haveha.i an opporturjity of visiting 
 nutny Ho-pital.N in vit Uuited Statts, -'uid 1 ih-rik it will bear coiopHnson 
 with any ef thiDi with th« txception rf the Philadelphia Ho.spitrd. I know 
 of IK) one better conducted. It in as well ronducled in every way as the od« 
 in Dcbii'.i, iind it will bear compaiisou with luiy one that I have seen unk-ss 
 in rogfivd to itseunt^trU'. tion. I reiercf coutpo l>< ihe behav.our of the rurses 
 and the pereo'ia attachori to it. Formerb' I believe, and know i', and have 
 heaid if, that the nuiSts 'm thiH Institution were not of so good ao'asd as they 
 ar« now, and have hie.i fciipice Dr. Clarke has b'^en coTinecud with ii; Asa 
 matter of npir.iun I \iu\y olject to soiiio ef the dotaik nf managemei t ; fur in- 
 star.ce, i do nol thi' k ihe dut to be the very b.";,t: that can he devisfd. It 
 look ■• a*" if drawn up by a jrs.th hand. ISTorwithaianding tie opit.inn of Dr. 
 Widmer, I do il y\-x mi>si, s'ro igly totho irn^tei-s w:thholdinglho rise of bi'an- 
 dy, for mis s mple rinson, tha: aithough the whit-kev suppli'd may be good, it 
 hari not — ;aid I t peak from actual experienc*^ — in cases of typhus tev<r, the 
 aht'ingent properiic s of braiidy, I havi /hen piViients whiskty and they liave 
 lYJPcted i; Ijy V'>mitirjg if. 1 nuvc tht . mivc out am! purcbased br?uiuv at irv 
 own (xp' rsp. 1 do not Riatftthis simply on my own authority. Dr. Todd, of 
 King's College, has lately calh d a^tintion to the peculiar value of braitly in 
 cases of tyhpus fever. I believe there Ik .'(nothenhuig I have ielt the want of viz 
 lef cho^, itliiuk iiicrefore ihat ihemedir;! practitioner should beullowed to 
 order anything wliichhe considers absoluteb/ esH(*ijti!il to the benefit of, the 
 patients. [ have nr' lu'siiatiou in s»ying that I belie\o Dr. 'Jlarke to he one of 
 the very best honst, burgeons that ever atttmded an Hospital any where. I do 
 not except London or Dublin or any other place -^here 1 have been He has 
 a groHter an:ount of duty to ^o hero as hou-e surufeon than any resident sur- 
 geon I have been acquaint! d with. I am quite impared to say that I never 
 eaw Dr; Clarke drunk in this Institution . I am prepared to show the malignity 
 
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 of the statement by aayiugthat during tho prevalencrt of cholora la^t stimmer 
 I urged Dr. Olarke to takealiU.le brandy <ih a jn-.'v.iu itivfe, bin Ih; could nol 
 be prerailed upja t > (o .'o, and diiricr^ tie wliolo tioe, tVo q ilv^, firsu opening 
 of the cholera alieds D-*. Clarke was ince=;.sanl, ia l-iis ate nidaucij att ),; siiod.-i. 
 Oae day indeed, aft^ir pressing up » i 'nini . > 'ako u litilo brandy, lie did so 
 <vhen his stomach was tiraply, aad ihe conjcquouce ■•r.vi liiiil ba suffered very 
 $overe stunuim. I said to him you ni>v see i.a.3 oril •>!' lakuj;^ uuiauius «rith- 
 out takiii;^ proper i>od. I knoiv li> :iulfe-s a overly t'ra.ii Moar.Ut^i:^. I have 
 giveuhim opium and morphiao for in? .itf^jtija, nnd J ixuva .niBU ihi^ pro- 
 duce clfccus similar !,o intoxication. Ifc is pwsible Aw p rsini -.vh) naid -bat 
 he was iutoxicalied may have s-.;>;q i'.im whiia sutf ring from tuis sfciaiuLu^i. 
 But there in a diff:-jronce betwean b'-iug 3iltnd!atc*d -itid b.jiii; itjoxici'cd. 
 I have known Dr. Ciarke for sevea years, and i h ive auvar Heea htm Intoxi- 
 cated. althoij£;ii 1 have frequently ot^;;!! aim uad-?.r ;; jhuiKh. U wa-j amI oy 
 Dr. Wright, I understand, tbat the eiTojt-i of opium wove aedative, but tiiis al- 
 though It, raij(hu hnvi! been said, I do noahiuk correcl. 
 
 Dr. WiiiaiiT.— I uttered no such words. 
 
 Dr. BovKLL. — I was under the ioipressioa that yoix had said so- Tflhave 
 statud anything wrong, I retract it. 
 
 Dr. WjuiiuT. — I disclaim eutiroly having used words lo lead to that im- 
 pression. 1 .slated that morphia, one of the preparations of opium, was seda- 
 tive in its lirst effects. When D I- Colter referrolto the Turkiai using it, I 
 stated that the Turks used solid opiuai and not mi;rphi-i. 
 
 Dr. BovKf.ri. — I state distinctly that I have seen Dr. Oiarke from the eR'ects 
 of opium intoxicated. I have also given him morp lia *v)th the same effect. 
 I have known Dr. O.arke seven years and 1 have n-jver soon him iiitoxicited. 
 
 Mr. Lkx.vox here said that he was not aw u-e that Or. Ol.irke bad sutt'ered 
 from that complaint ; he had seen him stiranl itetl, and considered it was from 
 liquor, but .t might b^ from som'J other cau-se. It' he -ad bjen iui.4ed in any 
 way by appearance, he begged to retract any statement he h-id made in re- 
 gaid to his being into.Kicated. 
 
 Dr. Ha[,i,owkll. — A deliberate statement was made that Dr. Olarko was 
 intoxicated. 
 
 Mr. Len-.vox. — I hope you will accept tho apology I have given for the 
 statements 1 uiado iu relation to that. [ am sorry that I bliould have made 
 auch a statement. 
 
 •' Dr. Hallowell moved that that part of the evidence given by Mr. Lennou 
 ba expunged. 
 
 :3?Mr. Bowks, thought Mr. Lennoa had acted la a strai^-h'i'.irvvnrd manner. 
 They might make of their own evidence what they pleas-jd, but they of course 
 had no control over the reporters" noten. 
 
 Dr. BovKLi iesumeJ, — I think Mr.«. Donnelly is a very tnistwartby nurse. 
 1 have never known the slightest cruelty o;i lar part. The reverse of this is 
 the case, for on account of her kindues.-f the children are geuerally >fiven to her 
 care. As regards ihe lice referred to, L have seen lice iu every Hospital iu the 
 world, (hear, hear, and laughter,) that is to say wherever I have been. The 
 bed clothes are generally clean. I have never s-jcn the llo.^pital iu a filihy state 
 owing to the neglect of the nurses. The nurses here I'ave oc^^asioualiy com- 
 mitted a fault as they do in other places. I lind the j^ame degree of cleajl uess 
 as in auy other hoipital. Tiie building Isold and very shabby, and the linen 
 is not new, but the Uo.'^pltal is ascleau and orderly a-; it can be. I feel some 
 delicacy insp>iaking of Burns, because I rtcomme ided Burns to this Instituiion. 
 I found Dr. Clarke in a d lemma o le morniu;/ wlien i came here. I k evv 
 Burns to ba a civil, orderly, steady man, and 1 said to Dr. Clarke if you can 
 get hold of huch a mau, an old soldier accustomed to obey orders he would 
 be your very man. Barna was at that time iu the Lunatic Asylum, Dr. OiArke 
 
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 and I went to his house and spoke to him, and the reason he did not come 
 here the first day was, that he had to go to the Asylum for some purpose. 
 He toolt the situation because it was uearei to his owa house. I was not 
 aware that he was discharged from tha Luaatic Asylum, but understood that 
 he came from that lustitutiou to the Hospital, because he preferred it. So 
 far as I have seea him be has bjea aa orderly, aud well behaved man. Pa- 
 tients sometimes come iu here very rudely. I have seen Burns frequently 
 take their bats otF alter telling ihum to d) so, aud even knocking them off when 
 they Would not attend. As iia ollieer bo i?i strict and attentive to his duty. 
 I have no knowledge of tno transact iou that took place lor which he was 
 brought up bufore the police magistrate. I believe Burns to be incapable of an 
 act of cruelty from what I have t-eeu of him bothbefore he came here and after. 
 As regards the throwing of the water I wuuld have taken the first thing that 
 came to hand, and thrown it my-Jclf. I don't know that any person has left 
 the Institution, for want of attention Occasioually in going round the Hos- 
 pital a patient has asked reli f, but, on looking at the ticket and seeing 
 that the patient was under the care of another, I have peremptorily refused 
 it. The ouly case of that kind that occurs to me is, that of Grace Sage. One 
 day Dr. Clai ke said here is one of Dr. Aikiu>' patients who has not been pre- 
 scribed for, and he asked me as a favor, to give her something. Wnen I 
 looked at the card and saw that it was Dr. Aikius's patient, I said no. Dr. 
 Clarke, I cannot do it. He said she is sufl'ering so much that I wish you to 
 look at her. I then looked at her, and prescribed f r her. 1 do not enter all 
 my cases myself. I have been endeavouring to induce the students to act as 
 clinical clerks The books of the Hospital are kept by Dr. Clarke. Ire- 
 member the case of sypbillitic disease ol the f-kin. The girl was taken iu under 
 my own charge aud did not come in in Dr. Wright's week. She was the first 
 patient 1 took in that week. 
 
 Mr. Quay said, ttiat it was imposnble hu could have been mistakeo in 
 regard to ibe week. 
 
 Mr. LENNONsuid, that that patient came iu while ho was in the Hospital, 
 aud he did know that while lie wan in the Hn,s|)ital thai; day Dr. bovcli 
 wat. not in it. although lie might have comt- aiier. 
 
 Dr. Oiarke hero ftuted that it was Ur. lelfei'ji week. He entered all 
 tho narueB of the patieii i tis tt>ey wtreadiiiiLtiii, and that patient was ad- 
 mitted in Dr. Teiftj's week, as he h.id betoie SUted. ':ni made a weekly 
 report «;f the ()ati:)iit3 Lothe Trustees, ai'd aiso an annual report nf the whole 
 affair of the irgsitulion. 
 
 The Chaibman — Then ii. appears that it was not iu Dr. Wiight'a week at all. 
 
 D:. BovELL — No, lior D'. Buvell's eiiher. It was a very iiiboleui thing 
 in a young man Iu xuake feuch a charge. Tlic man that would say that 
 the daies of the books had been changed, is just the very man that 
 would do it. 
 
 Mr Gray here stated that he had uo wish to iii.ppach the correctness of 
 the dates, but they did uoi coincide wiih his ki oMedge of fucts. 
 
 Dr. BovKLL, after i-o'jie retiu.rk*, reenmed. I have mver taken upon 
 any occasion a patient under ray care who had come recommend d to any 
 other medical gentleman. I have uev^r seen au y p trtial ty on the part of any 
 of the medxal gentlemen. Thi^ only preitreuce 1 mulce is when 1 reouire the 
 services of a clinic.ti clerk. 1 take one tiom my o<. ii class. The studi uts gen- 
 erally attend my clinical lectures iuthi.s Husp.tul.whon I have La'i ujtasion to 
 do so. 1 have }.;Iven fewtr iocmro.-' lii'j* ytar tLau I did inA ye.ir. lor ihis 
 reason, I have had f-vver patients. I de.^y any bturlcnt to say tliat be has de- 
 tected iu my n auner to hiia any diff: reuce betuee.i him-eir' and the students 
 of Tiinity College. >'ouieLihu's tlio f luiieuts of Triiiitj, Coilrge have said that 
 they wore crowded out by thestudtu s of Dr. RoipU's school, but I invaria- 
 
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 bly told'tliem I could uot help it, I could make no difference. I also encou- 
 rage all the students to examine the patients : they do not do this onou^'h. I 
 have ordered baths, and I believe they have been given. 1 do uot think the 
 bath room sufficient, but in extreme cases patients can can get a batli. I 
 have never heard obscene language usihI by any otfioer of tho Institution. 
 There was a remark made calculated to injure Jlrs. Donnelly, ''That I will 
 be the death oi' you." 1 have heard the same remark iiiAdo. by ht;r twenty 
 times. She Ih the very person to make such a remark, and just the last person 
 to do it. 
 
 Dr. AiKiNs.— I want to make a remark in regard to Grace Sage. T am not 
 aware whether she was entered upoa my book, but I know that I'roin the day 
 Grace Sage came in, I prescribed for her. She had no uhest affection when 
 she came in. That developed itself subsequently. Several ot the students 
 can testify that they saw me prescribe for Grace Sagt?. 
 
 Dr. Clarkk. — Tho patient is under my own treatment, I have attended to 
 the case ever since you neglected her; 
 
 Dr. AiKiNs. — I state that that girl's gums were tender from the effects of 
 mercury under which I put her; 
 
 Dr. Clarke. — I say this girl is under my care, and that she was put under 
 mercury by me under Dr. Bovell's advice. 
 
 Dr. Aiicixs. — I say that the very day Grace Sage came in, I prescribed for 
 her, and have done so subsequenlly. It was too bad u) say that because this 
 case may not have been entered on my book that therefore she had been ne- 
 glected. 
 
 Dr. Clarke. — Did you not say that you did uot know what was the matter 
 with hiT'i 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS. — No, 1 did not. But I said I wondered why the pain should 
 continue so obstinately after she came uuder the influence of meiciiry. I re- 
 collect ordering for her Iodide of Potassium and bitter iiifusiou on the very 
 day of her admission, andaf'er the pain in the chest came on, pleuial fric;ioa 
 developed itself, and then I i iit her under mercury until her gums bccaoie 
 tender. 
 
 Dr. Telfer was asked to give his testimony, which he did at some length. 
 He said, i have every confidence in Dr. Clarke as a house .Surgeon. I have 
 been a practising surgeon for from thirty to forty ycurs. I have been thirty- 
 one yeiu'!^ in Canada. I have had opportunities of judging oC iht- management 
 of the Uospltal generally, and I have never had occdsiou to lind fau t with 
 its cleauliiiess. The nursesj were always very attenti.e. Mr^". Donnelly is 
 quick and more hasty than other people may be, but I never thought she was 
 unkind. I never saw anything in her conduct which I could characterize as 
 inhumane. So far as my observation goes, she s a good nurse. I never gaw 
 her incapable of dit^charging her duty through the influe ice of liquor. I ne- 
 ver suspected it. I never saw anything in the Ilospiial that I could disap- 
 prove of. I have seen nothing like moral pollution in the Institution, the con- 
 trary was the fact,for when persons cme hero, they go away much better ihan 
 they come in, so tbat as a reformatory Institution it is better than many other 
 places I have seen. No case of neglect of the medical uflicers has ever come 
 under my notice. I know Burns. I never saw any cruelty on his part. 
 With regard to the patient that was bled, there was nothing cruel in thi owing 
 the water in his face. I think it was just the. treatment that mtdicdl gentlemen 
 adopt. It was not cruelly to drag him out to the verandah even on a cold 
 d-iy. I have never found at any time Dr. Clarke absent from his po.-it, or in- 
 capable of di.scharglng his duty. He is particularly attentive to his duty. 
 It would be difficult to get one to fulfil the duties as well as he does. He 
 has a very responsible situation, for if the medical men ar«i not present he 
 must necessarily act, and it reqair«a a person ol' inttilligence to act in aucb 
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 Dr. Hallottkll— Do yon think the letter which has given rise to this in- 
 restigfttion ia exco38ively dii^crodi'ublo to the source from which it originated 
 Dr. Tklfkr— Of course I do. My t- vidence goes to say so. It ia extremely, 
 delicate to judge of any medical man, I Ih'nk I would refrain from making 
 Buch remarks. Dr. Aikiiis was accused in that case of amputation. I do not 
 think that accusation was at all handsome to Dr. AiUins, for Dr. Beaumont 
 andhiuisoli knew that they had made as bad stumps as Dr. Aikins. That caae 
 was attended with very great diflficulty. The man was badly bruised and 
 the muscles wore much lacerated. The stump was as good a one as could 
 be made under the circumstances. I vas consulted in rt'ference to it and if any 
 blame is to be attached, I will shsvre it. 1 have known worse cases in the 
 Huppital under the operation of Dr. Hodder. 
 Dr. HoDDEU — What case was that] 
 
 Dr AiKiNs— Did you ever hear of any case of malpractice in this Hos- 
 pital, and whose case was it? 
 
 Dr. Tklkkk — I havc.but I think that no medical man has a right to prejudge- 
 another. lu the case of the amputation, I was as much to be blamed as you. I 
 really don't think it right to answer any sucli question. 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS — Very true— Dr. Teller, but iiiy professional character has been 
 assailed here, and therefore I have a right to insist upon au answer to my 
 question. Have you seen a case under < ne of the medical officers of this 
 hospital which was pronounced double pueuiuonia, when it was a case of 
 hydrathor.)X on each side. 
 Dr. TfT,FiiR — 1 have . 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS--What was the name of the Medical Officer? 
 Dr. Teli'eb - Dr. H>'dder. 
 
 Dr.HooDnK, and several others— name, name, name the case. 
 Dr.' AiKiNS— I don't know the name but I know the facta. Are you aware, 
 Dr. Telfer that this was a case — 
 
 Dr. Hodder— Before Dr. Aikins proceeds further, he must produce the 
 name, or he must sit down. 
 Dr. AiKixs— I will not sit down. 
 Dr. Hodder— Then produce the name of the patient. 
 Dr. Telfer— I rpcollect the case very wo I. A very uncommon operation 
 was performed. Water was drawn from the patient's chest by Dr. Hodder. 
 
 Dr.HoDDER — 1 wish to cut this investigation short as possible and to give the 
 lie direct to the insinuations made by that mm (pointing rather significantly 
 to Dr. Aikins J t shall show you l)y my books that the whole statement 
 ii false. 
 
 Dr. Atktxs— I asked Dr. Ttlfer if he knew of a case stated by the medicsl 
 man to be douljle pneumonia, when it was a ca^e of hydrathorax I shall ask 
 the same question of Dr, Wright. Do you, Di'. Wri/iht know of a case of 
 hydrathorax treated by Dr. Hodder as double pneumonia'^ 
 
 Dr. Wright— I objected hi.'-t nijiht to going into any Inquiry of this sort,but 
 if it was found necessary that an iiivcstigntion of thi.skind should be made, 
 that it should not be done in this public manner. But a charge has been 
 made publicly against Dr. Aikins ^iIld in defoiice of himself he has brought 
 forward this case. I do reiicoral)er sonifwliat of the circumst inces that oc- 
 curred that day. ThoK! was a consHiltation on a patitu' of Dr. Beaumont's 
 on the same dtiy and after scei g that p itieiit Dr. Hoddir said, geiitleravU as 
 you are here, will you go in and see a case of 'ouble pneumonia in the ad- 
 joining room. Several of us e ent, in imd as the examination proceeded 
 Dr Widmer threw up his .spcctucles ovvr hi.^ brow and said, "what are you 
 going to do Dr. Hodder, are you going to tap him?" I am confident that Dr. 
 Hodder said it was a case of double paeumonia, of this I am positively cer- 
 tain and I make the statement with all due deliberation. 
 
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 Dr. HooDn— Itis pomible thateome other case wan confounded with that 
 one. Bat here WM olaek tLxid white ihr it. i ho Dr. here handed up his 
 book to show that the case waa entered hydraitiurax> and not double /m«M- 
 •mta and said that that wasa dcivilitih deal better than any mere recollection 
 of what took place. 
 
 Dr. WfiiQHT— I care nothing for sucLi remarks. My veracity is quite as 
 
 f;ood as that of any other man. I made ihu staiemeiit irith all due delibera* 
 ton. I do not wish to impute motives, but I d(i say that you treated Dr. 
 Aikins in a most ungentlemanly way. 
 
 The book was here handed to Dr. TtiHer as evidence mat he was wrong in 
 hi» impression. 
 
 Dr. TiLFBR examined the book, aud said the case certainly is entered as 
 hydfothorax, hut the treatment prescribed is the treatment for pneumonia, 
 consequently the difficulty is not removed. 
 
 This caused a little excitement, and the book was hauded to the chairman 
 for examination, but no remarks were made. 
 
 Dr. Wright said, that if Dr. UodJer was mistaken for a ciay or two, as to 
 the disease, be is not ttie first thathai^ beDn raistnken. But his firm convic* 
 tion was, that at the time theeie statements wore made, Dr. Hodder bad not 
 the case entered in bis book. This wa^ his firm conviction on the stutement 
 of th« students. 
 
 Dr. HoDOEa— All that he would say was that that statement was totally 
 false. He could call a number of students to say that all bis oases were en> 
 tered in his book the day they were admiited. 
 
 Dr. BoYELL here said in answer to Dr. Aikins that he was certain that 
 Dr. Hodder stated at the time that it v^a^ a case of double pneumonia, 
 
 A learned discussion here ensued between Dr. Bovell and Dr. Wright as 
 to the appearance of the lungs in a po.st mortem examiuatioa, which took 
 place on the same patienr. 
 
 Dr. AlEiNs here called tbe attention of Dr. Telfer to a case of amputation 
 of the thigh, in which an immense quantity of blood was lost by the artery 
 not being properly compressed. 
 
 Dr. TsLFKR did not remember the case. 
 
 Dr. Wright said in reply to Dr. Aikins, that Dr. Widmer had charge of the 
 tournequet in that case. 
 
 Dr. I'ELFiB considered that the fact of Dr. Wiiimer having applied the 
 tournequet was sufficient precauti »n, that it was correct. 
 
 Dr. AiEiKS -D » you, Dr. Wright, remember seeing Dr. Hodder operating 
 upon the patient ? Aud do you consider it the ^duty of the operating sur- 
 geon bpfore he plunges the knife into the limb to see that the tournequet is 
 properly applit^d. 
 
 Dr. Wright — I did see Dr. Hodder opprafmer, a'--l althoui?h the tournequet 
 was applied by no less a personage than Dr. Widn. ^r, it still was the duty 
 of the operating surgeon to see that the circulation was stoppt^d. 
 
 Dr. jBovbll explained. He saw the boy was puL upon the table in a very 
 weak condition Dr. Widmer applied tLe touruequet. He turned to the old 
 man at the time and said you are a lii tie to much to the outer side. But it 
 was not changed and he therefore put his thumb on the artery to prevent the 
 blood flowing. He had seen tde saoie thing happen under the very best sur- 
 geons. The bay was ('xtremely thin, had it oceurred to a strong man the loss 
 would have been less severe. 
 
 Dr. AiKiNS>-I am much obliged to Dr. Bovell for his explanation becan se 
 it has been stated here that I am too young to attend to such an lustiiution 
 as this. But here a case has occured to Dr. Widmer himself. If such a thi::;; 
 had happened with me the most serious charges would have been brought 
 against me of incapacity. 
 
 Dr. BioBARDSON did not well mo the connectioa between the 
 
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 OMet. If Dr. Aiking would poinl out that eonnezion he wnuKt 
 be much Kratified. 
 
 Dr. AiKiNs—lf you don't now see through the matter a repetitiuu ui it 
 irould unt brighten vourperceptiou. 
 
 Dr. AiKixa asked.Dr. Buvell if be did not think the Iohh of blood in that 
 case aliudeil to, was* was likely to issue in death. 
 
 Dr. BovELL— Uf course, it was a very bad thii)|;. Thv hleoUiug wau 
 very uufaTuurable to his conditioD. 
 Dr. AiKiN9 — And the boy did die ''. 
 Dr. Bjvell— Yes ? 
 
 Dr. AiKiNs— And liis death was hastened by the loss of blood t 
 So reply. 
 
 Dr. AiKiNs said he would never have thought of bringing these things for- 
 ward, but he had been seiiously attacked and he considered it necessary to d^^ 
 fend himself. He would appeal to Dr. Clarke if the hist J90rtn«a2 ^s^a case 
 cured in the Hospital had not been cured by bim (Dr. Aikins) he would prac- 
 tice medicine and Surgery as he pleased, his reputation depended upon his doing 
 it properly, and he would endeavour to find the urethera if he looked for it. 
 
 Here some remarks were made by Dr. Scott in reference to what Dr. Lizars, 
 of Edinburgh, had said with regard to the medical faculty of Canada, in alluding 
 :o a case ot Dr. ilolph's, and a good deal of practical professional acrimony fol- 
 lowed. 
 
 Dr. Aikins — Dr. Olarke stated to me over and over again that that perineal 
 case of which so much has been said, was the first that went out cured, since he 
 came to the Hospital. 
 
 Dr. Olabee — I could not have said so, but until lately there was never any 
 record of the proceedings of the Hospital, and I stated that was the first upon 
 the record, but as to its being the lirst I could not have said so. It is not be ex- 
 pected that I can remember all the case. 
 
 Dr. AiKixs — Is a surgeon compelled in any operation to follow the rule in 
 regard to dny case that he may find laid down in booksl 
 Dr. Telfer — No, certainly not. 
 
 Dr. Aikins — I ask ihdt question because it was stated by Dr. Hodder, and I 
 coiiSider what he says of no importance : while I consider the statKme.".ts of Dr. 
 Hallowell of no importance ; it was said by Dr. Hodder that I made an oblique 
 or transverse incision in an operation, when I should have made it perpendicular. 
 Dr. Tei-fer. — I certainly would not judge my neighbours in regard to their 
 modeol pel r.irmiiig. 
 
 Dr. Aikins. — Do you Dr. Wright remember being present at an operation on a 
 little festula patient Jesse Nunn. 
 
 Dr. Wkight— 1 remember being present.and I know several medical gentlemen 
 were presenr: An attempt was made to introduce the catheter into his bladder. 
 Dr. — Aikins. — Was not every courtesy shown to Dr. Hodder in that case of 
 Jesse Nuiiii l 
 
 Di. Wright — My present recollection is that Dr. Hodder was present at the 
 commencement of the operation in this case although he has said to the contrary 
 — and ihat he assisted by his advice at the operation, and when Dr. Aikins had 
 sought for the passage in the usual way making the usual incision, Dr. Hodder 
 thought he saw the end of the urethra, and came round and took Dr.Aikins's chair 
 between the boy's legs and made repeated and persevering efforts to pass not on- 
 ly the probe but the catheter into the bladder.— Not only so, but he showed a 
 good deal of anxiety to succeed, and a willingness to render assistance. 
 
 Mr. LENNON.--My firm conviction is, tha. Dr. Hodder was treated with every 
 cottitesy. He did not leave the impression on the mind of any person present, 
 which he now states, that he was not treated with courtesy by Dr. Aikins. 
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 inclined to take tny suggeitions: I did not arcuse Dr. Aikins or cruelty in not 
 finding the urethra, but after failini^ two or tiiree iitn«;s it became his duty as a 
 young man to aak the advice of some of the senior mtnlical gHiitlsmea. It was 
 very true the boy, was under the influeiicf of chloroform, and was therefore not 
 so susceptible of any piin. I do not ini^uii to siy that he rortured the boy but 
 certainly he was subjected to repeated operations. 
 
 In reply to Dr. Aikins, Dr. Wright said, uiy impression i.s that instead of 
 being cuUHurod for that case, you aro outiilijd flii' liigU'-ot credit for thfi pa 
 tience and perseverance you ustd upon tho occusiou 
 
 Dr. Telfer thought thiH case was ddiiricult une He did not think there 
 waa anything wiong in the mauajjcomont of it. 
 
 Dr. vVrigut. — In reply to Dr. Ailiin.s caid— there is no doubt that yoa found 
 the urethra yourself. 
 
 Mr. Lennox. — I was present at the (iiue, aud assert that Dr. Aikin, had 
 found the urcthera himself. 
 
 Dr.WEiaui. — 1 state again that you deserved tho gi-eatest credit for the 
 skill, the patience and perseveratice manifested ou this occas^ion. I have seen 
 tbe boy since the operation, — tho wouud is iioiirly ne.iled. 
 
 Dr. HoDDEB — I merely said, if any chaige of cruelty existed, it waa in not 
 consulting a senior officer. It was his bouudeu duty to ask for the advice of 
 some of the senior medical officers, Dr. Beauinout, Dr. Widmer, Dr Telfer, or 
 Dr. Hodder, yet none of us were con.sulied. I merelj' Avish to say that if any 
 cruelty could be attached to Dr. Aikius in thin case, it was in consequence of 
 his not consulting the senior officers. 
 
 Dr. AiKiNs.— So far aa this is from being the case that 1 cut deeper than 1 
 would have done, because Dr. Hodder sucge.stud I should do so. But the con- 
 tinual oosing of the biood caused delay in lh«; < pcratiou ; and it was only by 
 proceeding most cautiously, and cutting most caieiully, not more than the 
 sixteenth of an inch at a time and then w ipin^!^ the blood and sponging it away 
 and then proceeding a little farther, that 1 succeeded. 
 Dr. HoDDEK. — I graut you succetdtd in your operation. 
 Mr Bowes.— Dr. Aikins, Dr. Hodder. aud all the piOte.>*sional gentlemen 
 have given us a notice of all they have cured in this Institution? Now, lor 
 the bene'.t of the public, I at^k how many tlioy LaveiiiHed ? 
 
 In regard to the vimputalion c -se, D/. Tt-IIVr, said, he had been consulted 
 in regard to that case by Dr. Aikins. aud concurred with him in the opinion 
 that it would be better to cut into the parts below thi; kuee bruised, though 
 they were, than expose the man to tho severe sliockof cutting into the thigh, 
 and the risk of immediate deaih. 
 
 This BO <ar ciO!.ed tin* Medical Investigation. 
 ^, Air. Fitzgerald considered it onlv au act <>f common justice to Mrs. Don- 
 nelly to say that a more attebtive nurse liieic never was in any Hospital. 
 She wasruugh a little, but uhe was attentive and kind. He had sei-u Dr^ 
 Clarke every day for two aiontlib ai; u ticui^, at.d i\ad seen hioa Iroqueutly 
 during the last seven years, and bad never seen nim under the influence of 
 liquor. 
 
 Dr. ScoTT expressed hig entire sati8..iiilion witii mo At of the points. But 
 he wished lo detain tl.e Trusters for a short, time. The charges iu the let- 
 ter were very ttrong, perhap!5 Simctliin;: migtu irpnspire to bIiow occasiou for 
 SOD^e of it. Hehad been f^ivcn lo nmK-rs and tliav very obscene language 
 wa^ used by uhq of the nic icai ofRcc « Oi' mis f >.'ii.iiliori lownrd^a female 
 patient an.l he belic'd there weio two pcrsuurt Ijeforo tliem icady to testify 
 to that. 
 
 William Hkwat, a young nnn, wi^s hero brought forwar<l to prove <h..t 
 Dr. W'ri{/ht had used xmseeuuy iant^ua^e in the aurgery, in the prefev...ce 
 of Dr. Clarke. The young lad was cojupeiled to polUdc iua own mouth, and 
 
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 the ears oflhe audience,by repeating ROtnedxprenBinnn he said he orerheard Dr. 
 
 Wright, usn when in coovorHrtiiori wilh L)r. (.Marke,"-lie boiug Dr. HovhU'.i 
 ciiiiicil cl«rk,wrts la tho little room off ihn HiKt^ery. 
 
 iSorDH of Lhfi sorranlaof ttte lastituiion woro iioi'ti uxamined. 
 
 Di: Wrkihi' ff.iu uskeii l)y Mr. Bjirea wnotlier ho would nigu Ibu let- 
 ter \vh'nih iho other luedicdl t;entlornou iunl .sen!. 1,0 tho irusteas. He ruplied 
 iQ th<> itii^aUvre ; as hu bad already stated in isHvideace th<i', it.; hiul HtMMi 
 improprieiies iu rn^Atd to both Mrs. Djmieily and tlio orderly, tfurriH. H<» 
 did iHitoiidor-io U»e ha'.er signed MeJicdl Stiidoat, but hu would statu moat dis- 
 tinctly thub having give:t hi.s opiaiou hh iiu hud done he could not Htultiiy bito- 
 itiW by rtigauig that lettor. As far aa tho statement of moral poUutiou was 
 (Miiicurntj i liti would ^ivh his tnstiiQtfny in lavor of the trust. 
 
 M.'. Bowks — As a I'rusteo be should 110 raore »itat t atB^ard and bavegea- 
 tlemou eudorsing letters of t'lat kiud ri^aiust the iutlitutioa of which he 
 wan u I'ru.st^^c. He wtiuld resign at oice, unless the medical officers were able 
 to Buy (buy di.sapprove of that leUer. 
 
 Dr. iloDDKit Hdiii hu b.<)lieved that the whole of tbo statements in the letter 
 bad brit" Hatisiactitrily rufutid, and five at leasl of the medical ofHcers hav- 
 .sign> d tne ietier. If ttio ttisuiuouy which has bet u offered did not remove the 
 impression contaiued lu the lot; ,r niv-ned '• Medical aitudent," they w«re pre- 
 pared to resiifU wuh the tru^t. 
 
 Dc. WiiKiHT Haul, so far as be was concerued as au iadividual. after hav- 
 iag stated whut he did rttatu iu repaid to Burns it would besiultifyiug himself 
 to sign that latter, ufier having suid thut Mrs. Donnelly did what she did, and 
 said wuat she said, iu regbru to the colored mm, Jackson, he could uot .sign 
 Itiat let'rr, at the sametiuie he expressed n is diiappr«»batioii of certain parts 
 of 'hit letter \h strongly as any one of tliem could do. 
 
 D>-. Hallowell then said that ho had been accused of taking an undu- 
 1y prouiM.iiu part ia the proceedtugs of these three days. The part he had 
 takea had fmeu dictated by SLVerul rcuftoias : first, ha had rieen accused 
 griivc'iy, by .-.everal studentis, of having bten the writer of the letter, signed 
 "Veriiut." He begged leave most distiuctiy and most poaitiVely to deny 
 that he had a^y band, directly or indirectly, in that produciion. The mo- 
 tives, that induced him to take a promiiieut part in the proceedings were 
 three-fold — as acitizija.as a medical man,anda8a colleague of two of the gen- 
 tlemL*n who«ii: characters have been assailed through a uew^paper commuui- 
 catioo digued* Medical tStudent,' he felt it his duty to take part in the in- 
 vtstigatioii. Notwithstanding the very flattering amount of testimony given 
 by tue ifcurued genthimen vfiu) had prectded hi .1, he trusted that the weight 
 of his '.csLimony, however bumble, would be received Ju behalf of his fiiend 
 Dr. Clarke. Although not an officer of tlie institution, h« had some cxpe- 
 rieuce lu iiosjiital practice, not only on this cominent, but on the coniiueut 
 of Europe, and 111 all his experience he would say that a more (.fiicient house 
 surgeoii ihaiiDi. ClarKe he had never seoo. VVith TejTard to tiis bearing 
 tiOWd.rU8 hiiuself perdonally, it was irrelevant to speak ; but with regard to 
 his Ixiuniig to«fards the patients, with regaid to his medical efficiency, 
 with regard 10 his moral qualifications, so f^tr us they enable him to dis- 
 chaitjd his dui-y ad a surgeni to this public institution, a superior to Dr.Claike 
 cojUI hoc be found on this continent. Whilo giving tljis humble ttstiiBony 
 iu favour of Dr. Clarke, he would say that from his experience in a mili- 
 taiy hoijjitdl — having had the exclusiVtJ charge of one for nearly two years 
 — that h« considered the military plan the only one for keeping ih ■ patients 
 in piuper sul jvictioo, and therelore it wart that he justified the conduct of 
 Burns. He had uever seen anything in him to blame, and cousidered that he 
 had conducted himself in a most respectful manner to all connected with 
 the institution . 
 
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 Dr. PHiLLBaiOKi gave testimony in favor of tho inanageDaent of the Uo(<> 
 pilftl uiid partculHrv in rogani t<> tl « tlfioiuncy and attention of Dr. Clurko 
 H«! rt'ftintl also to \\w ca«i! willi whurli hia urtinc wan a-:sociateH. 
 
 Dr. HoDDER here rose to nay it' anything was necessary to show that the ma- 
 lignant attack made uponihe hospital had signally failed, it would be the lact that 
 •I l)ribt' was offdied to j(et a man t'l come here to substantiate some of the aia't- 
 ments made. [Name — name ! ] The* n.une o| the man to whom li:it' bribo was 
 offered is Pidward Stewart, formeily an orderly in this hospital. 
 
 Dr. Cotter here made some remarks in reference to his acquairilance with 
 Dr. Clarke, and (laa-rHd a higheulogium on tlie Doctor for his skill a:id unremitt- 
 ing attention to the hospital, 
 
 Edward Stewart, a 6n«7«e-lookiiig man, stated that two students called 
 upon him to know if he could speak to some tilings connected with llie hospital. 
 He told th«m that he had his work to attend to, and if he went away his men 
 would be idle. T hej s;iid they would pay him for whatever loss ot time lie or 
 his men might suffer if he came up, but he would not do it. The mane of the 
 students were Martin and Dixon. (He went over a rigmaiolc story about what 
 tlie students said to him) 
 
 Mr. Martin wished the chairman to suy whether the faot of otJoring to pay 
 I he man for loss of i ime while giving evidenC'.- could b > const rued into bribery. 
 
 The Chaikman made no deliaite reply, but Dr. IIam.owem. said it was u 
 clear case of bribery. 
 
 One of the patients here spoke ut some length and with great fluency in re- 
 gard to the kindness with which the patients wore treated. lie read ii letter 
 which the patients had drawa up in reply to the letter Higued,Medical Student. 
 The letter replied to all tho charges in a very cavalier way, denying most 
 positively every charge made against tho institution. It was signed by all 
 the male pAtients and was addressed to the Editor of the Colonist, for publi- 
 cation. 
 
 Dr. Scott then a.'iked permission to make a few voraarkt;. Having been 
 nearly six years attached lo an hospital ho considered himself not an inade 
 quate judge of the management of such au inftitutlon, and therefore felt that 
 he was entitled to offer iiis opinion upon what had transpired. A serious re- 
 flection had been made upon tho coaduct of the trustees, and a serious impu- 
 tation had been made against tho medical attendants With regard to the 
 attack upon Burns he would say, that fi ora the testimony adduced, had he no 
 other means of knowing, he was decidedly of opinion that Burns Is a very 
 eflQcient person in his station ; that hu was a man of a rough exterior, but 
 capable of perfovmlng his duty in a most kindly and feeling manner. Tho 
 statements made in regard to his treatment instead of showing that that 
 treatment was unwarranted, only satisfied him that the treatment of the pa- 
 tient waa extremely judicious. One remark was necessary in regard to the 
 size of the vessel in which the watei- was held which Burns was accused of 
 dashing so unfeelingly. It would be remembered that it was stated distinctly 
 that this vessel was no larger than the one in which the patient was bled ; 
 that altered the complexion of the case entirely ; for they were first led to 
 believe that tho man had come with a pail of water and dashed it ou the 
 patient. He was satisGed that the vessel was as small (described by one of 
 the witness s) as a dipper, and, therefore, though the whole of its contents 
 had been thrown upon the patient, it could not have interfered very mate- 
 rially with his comfort, V/ith regard to the brutal manner in which tho man 
 was lifted, he contended that it could not have been otherwise done unless by 
 four men ; in fact it was done in the usual way. He therefore looked upoa 
 the charge against Burns not only as not substantiated, but utterly futile. 
 It appeared to him singulai'ly unfortunate that some expressions should have 
 dropped from the young gentleman that brought these charges, etatiug that 
 
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 th^y found they occupied an hirorior position In this Institution, as being 
 
 Hludt'uiH of a purticuliif scIiodI of iinMliciut', ;iii<l yot they brou{,'tit, forwuvd no 
 proof ol' such a thing ; lait lln-y nil kucA' what, (ff ot cuch a belicl' was cal- 
 culated to hiivo upon iiiiy uriu'n judguiurit. With regard to Mrt<. Donolly he 
 wouUl Hivy, lluU his whole i'.\|)L'iiL'ii(!0, uiul t hud uot bt-cn auiall, lorccd him 
 to Hiy t'.il rtho had th : ((UiiUiiis ol tho l)i'-(t nurse you could t-ver meet, quick 
 and abrupt lu lier lu.uiaer, 'nit kiud and litling hturtcd — an unpoiisliod 
 diamond in her way ILi wan convinced tiuil her ehuract^r fully s-tood tho 
 test of til" inves'lyaiioii. ; .• .1. ol- r h. nj ailnilrd to iho compuiiHun that 
 had bui-u driwu l)(>'w 'i>a tb ' lo.iUt'al Hospital and the IiU'tituion in which 
 they Wi'vo. iind Btatud that from his expcrii'uce in London, Edinbnrjj;h. Dnblln. 
 and othfi' piacw, he \va4 co.iv;.,Cfd iliat this llo^pilal would stand exuipariHon 
 with auy ho-ijiital coiidncted in a siiniiir wau and uot ulteud-l by poi8onB 
 religiously dwoted lo ihi> cire of iliu sick. He then allud'»d to th" charge 
 of vermin, and t-aid that it w i:-> impo.-.sible in >-nch inslitutiouH, without a 
 regular fupply of baths, to keep vei'min away ; luit, at the same time, he did 
 not consider that they existed lo anything like the extent attempted to be 
 proved by the per.«on,s brin;;iu^ tliu cliar«e. The chargis against the house 
 Mur^t'ou re((uiri:d no coiunieni. He would only wiy that from a residence in 
 Toronto of now 15 years, he hud occaidonvlly, in lormer years, heard great 
 complaiulH as to the slate ol llii < iustitution, but from his own knowledge of 
 P' rsous who Irid, within tho pa-^t two years, been in the Uospilal, some of 
 whom he had himself sent to it. he liad received a more flattering description 
 of the Institution and of the treatment they experiiiiced than he was prepared 
 fo receive. lie conM point to .vjveral in-tanc(;s, and ho had never any ditfl- 
 culty iu urp;i!ig a patient to return lo the Hospital who had b^en there before. 
 One grave charge, to his mind, hid been brought against th« Institution, with 
 regard to tho irregular uttemlance of the medical meu. This institution, ho 
 conceived, was not oidy established for the reli<;f' of the indigent poor, but 
 for others who wished to piy lor the tieatmeut they received ; and while 
 established tor these purjioses. he believed it also is supported to atford an 
 opportunity for youug professional men of acquiring knowledge and skill in 
 their profession, and the students, iu ids opinion, had a right to look for the 
 regular attendance of tho m-dicul men. Iu that they seem to have been dis- 
 appointed, liut it was rather icmarkable that all the complaints had come 
 from the same source. While they had three medical Kchooln in Toronto, the 
 old University, Trinity College and the Toronto School of Medicine, no com- 
 plaints had come from either of these two iustitutions — the old University or 
 Trinity College. They have all emanated from one quarter. It must have 
 appeared strange to the trustees that while these young gentlemen had their 
 proper representatives here, they seemed to have thought little of their at- 
 tendance ; they looked, in fact, for the services of those most capable of 
 aflfording instruction — the most efficient men connected with the Hospital. 
 He had no hesitation in saying that the medical officers were not all cboseD 
 on account of their professional standing, but because they were the repre- 
 sentatives of the different medical schools, and he had no doubt they chose 
 the best ; as it is, however, the delinquents are those whose services are moat 
 appreciated. This was a striking incident connected with tho matter. He 
 begged to say, iu conclusion, that the trustees had shown great patience and 
 forbearance, and had conducted the investigation with feelings of the strictest 
 impartiality. They had done everything in their power to elicit information 
 from both parties, and under this conviction he would propose a vote of 
 thanks to the trustees, for the impartial manner in which the investigation 
 had been conducted. 
 
 Mr. Lexnon' said, while agreeing with some of the remarks of Dr. Scott, 
 he would beg to remind him that it, wah not bjcause the students of Toronto 
 
CoUego overlooked thoir own professora, that thc7 round fault with the 
 others not utt' ndlnpf. IIo would say that, the gonornl opinion of tho .-^tudcntn 
 in roganl to tli(«o two (jft-ntlcoien, Dr. Aikins and Dr. Wright, wa^< this— that 
 ihuy louk«;(l upon thowi two si*n'lt'iu< n u.s i^cconil to none connect* d with thia 
 Institution. They were aH much pleased with Dr. Wiiglit or Dr. Ailtins &(■ 
 with Dr. Hoveli, but at the nanne tim»' they considered they should luiv. th'' 
 atteudance of all the medical gentlemen, in order to git an much experienoe 
 M they could whllo prosecuting thrir studies. WiUi regard 1 1 the vt.-sil in 
 which the water whs brought by IJuntH, he wouM >*ay tlnit it was a tin vei^gel 
 rapublo of C(tnt!ii»ing halt a gallon oC wiittr or more. He could s<.»y tliat it 
 was half full at least, for the patient'i* clothes wi-re saturated wl th the 
 water. 
 
 The following note waH read a" an appendix to the letter of the nudical 
 oflicei.'* 01 the Hospital :— 
 
 From oui personal knowledge of the Toronto General lio.'^pital, an well at< 
 liom the evidence which haw been adduced, during the prolonged inustiga- 
 ! ion into thti charges coutttiued in a let er signed "A Medical Student," we 
 led boii> d in jusilco to add our te.slimony to the statements made in the 
 ••ommuulcatiou, exculpating the Hoppital liom those false cluirgc.><. 
 
 (Higued) JOHN SCOTT, xM.D., M.ll.C.SL. 
 
 JOHN GRANT. L. itPSG. 
 W. HALLO WELL. M.D.. M.U.C.S.. Fdin 
 F. ^\. ItrSSELL. M.D., xM.R.G.S., Kng. 
 J. lUCilARDSON, M.D., M.R C.S.. Eng. 
 N. nETllUNE. MD.. M.H.C.S., Kng. 
 GOHNELlUri JAS. PniLHIlICK, F.R.CS. 
 
 Dr. Hali.owki.l having been called to the chair, awarded the thanks of the 
 meeting to the trustees for their impartial investigation. 
 
 Dr. Clarkk then produced a number of letters in reference tochaiacfi^r 
 from Mr. G. P. Ridout, Mr. Gamble, Dr. O'Brien, the Lady iSuperi- r of St. 
 Joseph's Convent, Rev. Dr. Baldwin, Rev. Mr. Grasett, itc. all speaking in 
 the most complimentary terms of the kindness, urbanity and attention of Dr. 
 Clarke. A similar testimony was paid iu favor of the orderly Burns. 
 
 The proceedings closed at 9 o'clock on Saturday night, having occupied 
 three days. 
 
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 In page 68, for " I have been connected with the Hospital for over 15 years," 
 read, 
 
 I have been connected with Hospitals for, &c. 
 
 In page 73, for Dr. Bovell here said, in answer to Dr. 
 
 Dr. Rowell here said, &c. 
 
 Aikins," read,