C 7\. ]sr iV D A.
BUDGET SPEECH
iiKi.n i;itKiJ BY
HON. (ii:()i!(;r, ooster, d.c.l, M.r.
MINISTEH OF FINANCE
IN Till-.
nOITSE OF (M):\IM()NS
TUESDAY, tl"'' MARCH
1892
C.
OTTAWA
rUINTKU HY S. K. DAWSON, I'RINI KU TO I'HK glJKKN'8 MOST
KXCKI-LKNT MA.IKSTY.
1892.
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HOUSK OF COMMONS
TUESDAY. ',^>^" MARCH
1892
OTTAWA :
I'KINTKIi IIV s. K. DAWSON, I'HINTKH lO TIIK gi'r.KN'S MOST
KXCKM.KXT MA.IKSTV.
185)2.
B XI 1) C> E T B P E E a 1 1
DKI.IVKIIKK in
HON. GEORGE E. FOSTER, D.C.L., M.P.
MISlSTEl: iiF FIX A set:
IS TIIK
HOUSK OV COMMONS, Tl'KSDAY, i*^" MAHCFT, 189-2
sriM'i.v 'riiK luiMiKi-.
KKvr.Mi:. IsiHi.'.il.
\\y. KOS'I'KI! iiiciveil thai llio Hiinse roxolvc
itM'lf into ( 'iimiiiittt't' of Supply. \\v siiiil : In
iiiiikiiij{ my liiiaiu'ial .stitteiiieiit la.st yrar. I cstiiiiiitcil
tliiit till' ifVCMUc for ISiMl-dl «oiil(l iiiiioiiiit to
.s;(,S..S.'iS,7<H. 'I'lic icvi'imi' wliiili :utii:illy iu rnii'il
ffll sliort of tliiil liy S-_'7'.t. .■!!*!. aiitl Wiis ilistiilmli'd
as folio WM ;
OiistoiMs >;2;),;h»9..'«io
K.visr r),<>14,S.-)()
.Mis.TllaiHMiiis S;ji5.1t)0
Tdtul s;w,.-i7>t,:;i()
( 'oiiipai'in<; \\\vxv itiiiis ami total ii'vciiui' witli tlic
I'esiilt of ISHIIJMI, we tiinl a ( 'nstoiiis (li>uri'as«- of
.SriS'.l.tio.'t, an KM'isc (IccitaM- of .S7o;!.'_'(iS. anil a
(It'cri'a.sc in Miscillant'ousof S'J7.<i!l4. 'I'lii' iltricasf
ill Cusloin.s i-^ spiiail ovc ra iniiiilicr of itcniK, wiiiili
J will icail :
Animals
llodk.'-', ptMiodit'iils, lie ...■
Hicadi'l litis
tVliiriit
Clocks ami s|)riiiK3 . ...
(,'raiios ...
Marllii'iiwiii'c anil rliiiia
Fiiiutv iriiiiils
Fish ami |iri"liK't^ nf
Knrs
(ihiss . ..
(lolil mill silver ami iiianiit'ai'tiires nf. . .
<Jun|MiW(l('r iinil I'xiil.i.-ivi's
Ontta iM.'irlni an>l Imliii rnhlivr iim
inaiiiiractiirL's III'
Inni iinil stii'l iiml iniiniiractiires at'. . . .
.(I'wi'llrry . ...
Ia'hiI anil iniiimrai'tnii's iif .
I/'atln'i- ami iiianiit'iu'tiiiL's i>t' . . .
Miisii'al instniiiii'iils
Packages
I'apiT anil inaniifavtiirot! of
Pickles
Priivi«iiiiis
Sopijs anil ii)ot.«
l^ilk and luuiiut'aclunv uf
0,7111
1"),4'.1)
.1,07'.)
\i)M'l
;),.■)( i."i
L'l.lKV.i
'.•<l.lt41
">.lf>4
lit,r.i.^>
l'.t,.')ti!l
•».2!t!»
4,iir)S
2t>,44H
]!l4..->lit
IH.IiOO
.'!,|ih;
It),.'.!!!
lO.O'Ht
24,.'")lii
104.4'y.i
;ti).:RW
■•ioap ii 4,60H
.>^i)irils and winos 148,0'ia
.Molasso.i 7«,212
Sugar raiid.v 2,H7ii
Tin anil inaniifiictiires nf Ii.21.'(
Varnish 7,K7:
Vi-golal.lrs 14,4'.I8
Wali'lus .•mil parls of iilAW
Wmiil anil inaniilii'.iturcsof .W.ilft")
W'liiil and iiiamifiii',tur(.'.s of.... Hii'.a')]
'I'lii' following arc some of llii' principal items from
which incicancil Customs duties were received l«.><t
yisir, the principal lii;iiij; sugar :- -
.Mc, liiM'r anil ipiirtrr .■?! .5,7*)
Itias.s iiml inanntai.'tiirc's of I.'i.o70
Hrieks and tiles 4,'(l:'.
Carriagi's 4,224
Coal and riikc 115,ii2T
CiipiaT and iii.iinilaotnre.s of 2H,4.'«0
CoidiKtc fi,114
IJrilKs. dyes and I'lii'inieals 24,.').'?2
Flax, lii'inp and jtite and muiinrac-
Inivsi.f 4,.")1.".
Fruits and nuts, dried 11.7411
do groon 21,a,'«
(iloves and mitts l;i,l>4H
Hats, oaps and hitnnets , t)6,IV>7
Metal, eoniposiiiiin and other 4,44<)
tills, eoal .ind keniscne and products of.. ">,.Vi'?
nils.allother 4;j,»Hti
."^hips. vessels, and repairs on 3,7f)2
,S»Kiir 290,744
Tea 3,S8i> '
Toliaeeo and miiniifaetnres of 31,l.S(i
All other artieles not simeilied 22.5,it82
Tlicre WHS a ileciea.se in the sugar duties over the
normal year preceding, ISSS Sil ; and if it had not
liceii for the displaccineiit and ilistiirliaiuc which
arose conseipicnt upon tlc' change of su^rar duties in
the Uiiiled Slates and the idea that a corri'sponding
change Would lie made in our own taritl'. llieie is
no iloiiht the Customs duties derived thefefroni
would have liceii far lafi.;cr than they were, instead
of falling, as they did, far sliort of those of IHS.SSll.
Kxeise shows a large decreiise of .^7<l.'t,'i()H, Imt that
i.- more nominal than rtal. The law which makes it
ii.nKHaiy llial >(|iii itN slioiilil Ih' ki|>t two yiiii" in !
tank f"" lining |iiir|H»nuK ounit- iiilii effect tlie l»l ,
(if .Inly. IHiMI. mid a lar;;c atnoiint of xjiirits wan
witlidravMi in iinti.i|)ati<'ii. llif >liitii-s ii|>iiii wliiili
wcmjii liavt; aiiiiiinitcil t" iirnliaMy S,'i(HI.(HHl. Tliis
winililliave^jom-natuialiy.liiilfiiitliatciicunis'anii', ,
int > till' KxL'iNi- ihitii-Mof the year we are conHitlelin},'. |
III till' Misi'i'llaiiciMis aNiiKiIi iltfiriiNr, as <'iini)iari'il
w nil tlic |>ii(c«liiigy<Mr,i» .-lii.wii. iiaiiicly. .■<'_'7.ti!l4.
111.' total .leereutte imiountH to .«l,.S'JO,liir). With '
n fell luT to Kxiise, tin- follnwinj; tiilih' HJKiWH the j
roiirsr of liiisiiiess for two years :
'I'Mir.K sliciwin;; til"' •,hi:iiiliti<s laken mil and llu'
I >iitir-. iii'cliud.
lSS<l-i«l, 1S!M-!I1.
'^iiiiiilily Ijiiiiiitily
18S!t-!tl, ISOii-'.M,
hiity Hiity
A.'- Au-
iTiU'd. fnu'd.
Iii-
tTl'ilSC
or
Itc
iTca^'C.
<ial.<.
(iids
Mini-.. .VnI.Viii J.T'iS.Ml l.'llT.t'd;;:),Ol4.1!'n."T.'5,4VJ
I,l,^. Ml.-.
Mull ."il.'.i74,"l'! ."iT.H'.i.'Jiil .V)7,ii2l fiS8/)0.'t
Nci. .No.
Ciciii-. l>s,sl(i,7i"i ]|i|.llT,iisii .Vi:!,?!!! tlit.i.iilT
• 'icari'lli',-. L'x.'.niii.d'i .'iii.iii'ii.iiiiii 4;;..VIS 54,"'!r
\M>. l.lis.
andSiiiitV '.i,8!)2,il.">l j ll,iWH,r.4.'! l.S.Vi.iKl I.mU'.W'
■31 ,.572;
ll,:'ii7
ll.'j:i9
.-l'J,274
riii< slio«.« that tlif c|iiaiility of s|iirit.t t.ikeii f oni
iMiudin \SH'.t iKlanioiiiitid to. •{..")74,7!lil callous. In
1S!K) !lltiie(|naiititytakenout \vas'J,7llS,s4l^'alloiis,
and the dfM'iei'.se in tiie aecrued duty of lS!K)-i(| . a.-<
,■ paivd with ISSil !MI. was .iver .*l ,(HKI,(HM). All
till' other arliides of K\iise.iiialt. iljjars, ei^arettes,
tohaeeo, and snutl', show an increase ovei' the (ire-
eeding year. Mall shows an imrease of .^.Sl,."^-
in aicrued duties : ei;,Mrs sliow an iiurease of !*1 I,-
.'tl)7 inaerriU'd duties ; eiga.et tes show an inereaseof
.•^l l.'J'JII ; and toliaeeo and snuir an inerease of
•*!!>. "-'74 in accrued duties. It luight be as well to
keeji uji the table which h.is lieen presented for
.several years in onr linancial stateinents as to
the y« )• la/illfi consiiiii|itioii of lii|Uors and tolmcco,
asHhown liy the Kxcise reports. 'I'he followinj; are
the fiirures :
ri:i! I AI'ITA CiiNril Ml'TliiN 'H' l,ltiLn|i.< ASH
roBACru.
Spiritf. lli'cr. Wine, 'liihaco
Ualg. I GitU. Uuls. Lb.'.
Avennrefn.mlSi".... VVtl T'm "HO TI^S
a.. IB^Ii-Ut.. H8.'! 3-;Wr -m 2'143
<lu 18SM-01,. -m') .(•282
•102 1 2'ft'B
KXI'KMHTI-HK, IS!M)!tl.
When we come to the expenditures of ISIHI-Ill,
whidi were estimated at .*:«», (>(H>,0(N», we find lliat
the actual expenditure exceeih'd that amount b\
.'<:t4;t.."iti7, vi^'i"H" *"'"' "^'l""l expenditure of .*.■^ti,■
.■^4.■^,.■|(>7. Allliou^;h the expenditure last year shows
iin ini reuse of this amount ovei' the estiinale, liu-
expenditure itself is.'<."(71."2t)7 less than the expemli-
ture in IHHS-Sil. The chief items in which there
wan un ineruuHe of exjienditure, uk conifMireil with
the preceding year, are as folliiw»: —
I'renunin. Di.-coiiiit iMul Exchiiiigv .^ ;t3,2S'>
.<iiikiM(r I'liiMJ ."iil.HIl
t'ivil lioVi'riiMieni 2.'>,'tiiii
Ailiiiiiiit'iriilioii 111.! 11-1 ii-e l(),Sn«
An-. AttriciiliMre iiii'l ."-liilislics 4.t>.Vi
(ViiMii- 2.V.>,i;t|
Fii-hriio^ 4.'i.;tll'.l
lieiijiiifii'iil Survey S,523
Iiiiiiiiiii'.itioii 70,!i.'i|
Uuiiniiiii le I,'.W
!.i>tliiliiiii-c mid C'<ia.-l .**ervie« 1'<',4H1
.Muil .s^iili-iilies mill SleanL^liiii Subveii-
linlis .•t4,«02
.Mi-c ('Mm iMMi- 7,7_V
N. W. Tiriiiiirii'^ <li<veriiineiit IVS,.')!.')
itcciiii and liiver .'•i-rvice 35,231
IViiilciiliiirii'- .. . ■\Mhl
t'ciliritiiiii 111' Iti'veiiiie— I'llsldUlK 27,IKil
ill! Kxci-'-c 1.5.240
(lu INi^l (llliiT S7.2i»i
do I'lil.lic W.irk.- .. ln.'i,ri
do Itailwiiy- \ Cmials 143,3Ui
do Wciclii.-. .Mi'iiJ'uri's
andlias 3,(M''i
A large iiu'icasc look plai-e owing to the census,
for which there was an item of ^'J.Vi, l."i4. The next
largest item Is in the collection of roxeuue.Hailway.s
and Canals, whijii shows an inerease of .•;i4,'l,;illi.
The inerease in ex]>enditin'e, therefore, as compared
with the precediug year, is almost entirely liue to
the aliniii'inal ami lar;^i' expenditure Inciiired in
taking the lensus. The decreases were as follows ;
liilere.il nil I'lililic lU'liI ji 72,7(V"i
I 'liiirKes (if Mmiairi'Mieiil 1 ,li2'i
liiiruiiifi I2ii.;6S!l
lA'K;i.-liili<iii .'i;t.'>,7ii|
.Murine llosiiiliil!< li.'iti'J
.Militia iiiiil llrlVnec 7,''i(K)
.Mimiili'd I'liliue lU.lH
I'cnsii.nii 3„'H1
I'lil.lic' Wi.ikc .'M.ilSti
Itiiilwiiy.'^ mill ( 'anil I.- 1.'i,1liil
CnlliiiK Timlier 2,182
Diiininiiin LmiiL« l.'i.ll!)!
hccrcases took pl.u c in tin- expenditure on
the inleiest on the I'llblii' Dilit of ?;7'2,7l)."i.
due to the retirement of stmk bearing (i
|iercei!t, ."i |ier cent ami 4 per cent and replaced
, liy money borrowed at about '.ik percent. In Charges
of Management theie is a slight ih'creaHe of .'i<l,(ii").
In the care of Indians, llu'i-e is a large clecrease,
amounting to !<1'_>H.:{S!I. In the Mounted Police
there is a decrease of Jjil'ijIN. .As far us these
decreases are concerned, they are pcrnuinent
I as regards Mounted I'olice and Indians and,
ill the matter of tlu- I'lililif Mclit. mu fur ii.'< tliu
pi'iiu'ilNil invoIvL'il is fiiiici'nM'il, wliih' tin- iiurt'iiws
lire largely alninniiiil in tlu'ir cliaiactcr ami art- iKit
likely til incur a;,'aiii, tlu' fi-iisiis Ix'iiiji likely li> Iw
tiiii>lieil iliii'iii;^ tlie eiirreiit year. Siiiiiiiiiii).'
up, then, we have a« a rexeiiiie for the
|m«t year ?*.'<S,.">7!l.."il(l, ami an evpemlilille of fHWi,-
;t4.*{.r>(i7, \\lii(li leavi's us with a >iii plus uii ('iiiimiiII-
ilaleil l'"iiml aeeDllliI iif •'!!'-','J.'t.'),74'J. If it were mil
fi«r the item of Capital Kxpeiiililuies, this sur|ilii.H
wiiulil ren-iin in haml fur a ileerease nf the ilelit,
tint iliirin^; the past year lliere was expemleil on
• 'apital aecount tin.' fnllnwiiij,: aiiinUMt^ :
Uiiilwiivs iiniiruiiiils. . . .
I'lililic \V')rk.<
hiuniiiiiiii Liiiils
N. W. I'l'hellidii liiisfics
Itiiilwiiv Suli'lilii's.. .
, . *l!,.7iL',|liO
. . "ilo.Tli-.'
•,M,H47
I'.'.Mil
.^;t.ll,';,H.-)>i
. . l.VilW.Ttio
*i.;isi,v.i
< iiuipiii iii^' lliis with the prc'.inus year, 1S,S!( !H(,
»M' liml that the expellititiire then mi lapilal ai'-
.iiiinl was s.">.7.'ll,;r>4, as ajiainst .<l,.'{.Sl,.">(i4 i,i
ls<Hl-!l|, iiiakin;; a saving in favuiir of tlu' latter
year of s|,;i4!l,7!MI. The net result, therefore, of the
operation of the year, is that we have pro\iileii for
the ordinary ox peusL'H ami liurvieesof the country out
lit the ( 'onsoliiliiled Kiiml, We have laid up in tije
^iiikiii;; l''iiiiil, w iiicli i.i of course prartieally a le
ihution of the dilit. sl,!t;iH,(l7S, «e ha\e pioviilnl
fur capital expiinlitures, iinhiiliii;; railway sidisi
dies. !*1,.'IS| .."i(il, and We ha\e lieeii alile to do that
wiih an addition tn the delil ot iiiil,\ .^■•J7"i,><l^.
lOMfMt vil\ 1. KKsri.rs, |S,S7S.S en ISiMlill.
Hulk ;,'ilitleiiieii may reiiiclMliir that ill ISS!I. on
till' oecasioii of my first |iiid;;el speech, I iiiadi a
foiwast as follows : That I tlionght the time had
iiiiiie for ei|iializiiij; reveniii' and expenditure, ami
th.it, liy the time we j'nti'ied lS'.l',i. we shuiitd have
lediiced the leMliue and •■Npeiidil lire to a li.ilamc.
and from that time on weslmuld liaM' siilllcieiit as
a Kill pile' from CoiLsoliilated Itevenue l''iind to pa\
the ordinary ca|iital expenditure which was liens,
sary for the country fniiii _\ ear to year. That fore-
cast has so far lieen fiillilled, and if it had not lieen
that We Ir.ok oil' the duties on raw sii^ar last yeai,
involving a Iokh of over !>i;{,IHM»,(HMl in that item of
revenue alone, wi' slioidd have lieen aide to com''
up to the end of I.Sll'J without one dollar of
incrcane of deht siiu'e ISSII, and with more tlinii
half a million of decrease in mil periuaneiit delit.
It may not lie uninleiestini; to the llmise to take
•a review of the four years just |mst in order to
show hy II liird's eye view the linancial operations
iif the country during that time. This will readily
ippeiir from the fullowin^' talile :
'■ ■ '.\
I- r Ti'/; ^ £ ■:
•/.• i. i!/- '7 .'■■?; 7
A -''x'-i.::!'
.. ^j
T "5 ^TZ'C -I '
HKi'
S:"=3!
— zX • z, '^
i. -1 ":2x«'.-i'.
-3. ~
It will lieseentli.it. diiriiij.' those four years, the
expenditure on Consolidated I'lind account has
kept reumrkalily even, lieiiii.' mi an averaue alioiit
.>;{(i.(NHI.(MMI each year. On capital aciouiit. not
iiiiliidin^; r.iilway siilisidies, we expended in ISS7-
SS, .<l,4:»7.4(ill: in Isss s!l. .<1.4l'll,:ii;{ ; in ISS'.t'.til.
.•<t,l):<;!, I.'iil; and in |.S!lu.!)|, ,S"f. I l.'i.Slid : tlioaiiiomit
for 1S!MI-!II lieiiig .•"K.TJI.tHKIles^lhan wasexpeiided
in |S^7 HS. which ayain i* in the proper direct i. in.
The revenue, also, has lieen liiioy.int, risim,' from
.S'l(i,!KIS,4t»;i in ISS7-S,S to 8.'lS,,">7il,.'!iO in |M!Ht ill.
There was uiie deticit incurred contrary to the con
viciions and the traditions of the party, which
occurred ill I.SS7SS. Iilit which w as due to aliiiol iiial
conditimis and amounted to .SSII),!).'!! : lint the
siili.M'niieiit years showed a surplus of ."* I, S( >.">,( );{."«
in ISSSS'.l, .<'l.HS.-).S!):i ill l,S,S!».!MI, and ."<•-'.•_':<."). 7 VJ
in I.S'MI'tl. The net ilelil has remained at alnuit
the same tigure, and is now ?<'_';{7,S(»!t,(>.S((. The net
delit increase in the last two years has lieen only
%'-7'>,!<ll^. The net interest paid has deereiLsed
trom ISS7 SS, having lieen .SH.SIH .'-'SS in th.it year,
.•<S.S4:i..-):i!l ill |MS.SS!I, .SS,,-)74,.'i7tl in IS.SII !MI and
.xs,."ilHi.!Km ill l,SiH)-!tl. That is to say, in the four
years the net iiiterest paid has decreased liy
ahoiit .<4(H».(HMI. The rate of interest on the gro.ss
delit has also decreased continuously as well as on
the net delit, and w Idle it stood at .■!"4."> on the
gross delit in 1S.S7SS, it is now only ,■{■.'1.1, while
the interest on the net delit has decreased fmni
I
:!•!■_' iti tin- lirst yciir tn 'i'!!.'! in the lust yi'iir. Tlu' may i\)»i'ct nil av(iii>;<' iin'iiiiu' of alpout S:{<i..'><Hl,-
IK-I iiilcii'Nl /« /■ '7(y///ri ici|iiiiiMl to cHliy the ilt'lit INK). We ihii.sl rut iiiir j,'iiriiifiilM iici'in ding In dim
a<'<«riliii^ III the revision cnnHviiueiit ii|iiin till' ilntli. ami kt'i'p niir i'\)iunilitui'u within tliat
icnsiis ylatciiiciil. Was .stLiMt in IHST-S** «nil SI. 7(1 aiiiciiinl. 'I'lic cstiiiiatc for ISIll' iW is as fnllous : -
in Is'Hlitl. This, in I. riff, shows the o|Mialioii Custoin.s. S'2(I..'i(HMHM| : Mxcisc, .<.s.(MM),(MKl : Mis-
of till- tinaiiivs of till- ciiuntry iliirin^' the liiHt cellaiiuoUN, SS.IMMIJKMI. niuking in all s.'{li,.'i(NI,(MNl.
tour years, ami I lia\e no hesitation in ]i resell ting So niinli with refeieiue to that.
il lo the Mouse ami to the lonntiy as ii eon-
servative statement full of lio|ie anil promise us fLMloi: M;^ i,o \\s.
to the aliilitv .mil the lapaeitv of this i-oiintry. , ^ .; ii i i i
. . '■"ist year, as tne Mouse alieailv knows, tein-
in the lirnt liliee to keep its expenses fairlv within . . i ., i . i . i ■ i . .1
■ . porary loans liail to lie ineurreil to the anioiiiil
reasonalile liiiii!-. ami at the same time to earry on ,. o-" -„,. ,.,.,. -i., ,. .. . . ,■
ot >,,/M(i,(i(i(). I hese were ot eoiirne, inaile tor
without iiiK<iie stim tht^ iiiililie ami neeessarv ^<'i- .1 . ., i- . ,: 1 •• f 1 1.
' ■' the purpose ot meeiing i'eileni)>tl(in of ilelit, as
xi.es.if ilie.onntry. : ,^^^j y^..^^. „^^, ,_,j.^, .„,,,j,i„„ ,„ ,,„, „^.^ ,,^,,^ „.,^
lUMisri: xM.KXrKM.lTi UK. IS!M !••_'. '""'> ^"""' ••^='-""*'- ^^''^ '"'^'' ■""""'-' """• ^'''
the Mouse was intoiiiieil a few ilays .igo. i*!!,?").'*,-
( oiiiing MOW to |S!(I !!•_'. the cur'-ent year, (he ,'l;;;{ in leiiipoiary loans. I may take n motiieiil
reeeipts up lo the •_>(Mh March were ."<i'i,4.'i!l,(MKI. to explain as to the items of reileinpnon whiih
I'rom the '.'tlth .Mareli, |.H!I(I. to the eini of tlie ' niaile these loans neee.ssary. Firsl, there has
lust tiwiil year the reeeipts were Sll ,,S!lli.(K)(l. Iieeii the ilraiii upon the saviiigH liaiiks of the eonii-
I'lit of eiuirse there have lieeii ehanges wiiicii I ry, owing lo the eliange of interest from 4 per eeiil
will neeessitiite my making a ilitl'ereiil estimate ' to .'!.'. per iiut, .iiiil jierhaps to other eailses
for the time hetweeii the L'Oth March, IS!I'_' ami more general in their nature. In ISSiliM). there
the eiiil of this fiscal year. The j'xpecteil in was willuliawn from the saving* hanks of the conn
creiisc ill Excise for the remaining four nuniths. oi' ny .s;! .<l4.'{,S!t'J more than the ileposits, jilus the uc-
aliout that time, as comparecl willi the like period ciiicd interest for llie year. In jSilOIH. the siini
of last year, is estimateil at SH.")(»,(t<K(, ami the ex thus w ithilraw n was.sl ,(il'2,4.'t,S,a reilnction of alioul
peeteil decrease ill sugar duties for that lime is es- ,*;;{(MI.(HK» : and I estimate that for the eurrent year
timateil at 8."i."i(l,(MK>, So, provided that the trade | there will lie nothing withdrawn in exeess of the
of the eouiitry goes on iipiui alioiit ihe same liasis I deposits, i)lu.s the aeerued interest, lint that rather.
as last year, anil iiiakiii.i.'an allowance for llicse two from the indications of the last eight months, we
items, we may expect for the remainder ot the term will iiave a sum to the good, striking a lialanee lie-
fi 0111 the 'Jot 11 March lothe 1st. Inly, si | , |!M'i,(MM) twceii these two items. These, however, make a
of leveiiiie. That, added to what has accriie.l up sum of ,s;<,."i(HI,(l(M( which was |)ractically a redemp
lo the 'Jlttli March, will gi\e for the lurnnt year tioii of deiit, and had to he niel and was met out of
an estimateil revenue of S,'t(l.().V(.(l(M>, divided pro |liese lem|)orarv loans, l-'oi' redemplion of ddil pin
Iialily as follows ;"('ustonis, .•*i>().."i(M),(MM» ; Kxci.se, per, we redeemed in I.SS<l-',.'(l,.s;t,.")77.."!tS; in iMlMlill,
.*7,!M»(),()(H) ; Miseellaiieons, sS,-_'(r>,(HK». On that .•jji|.n(r),!)()4; iiilS!»l.!f_>,Sl,!».S7,7!l.'>;iii IS!»-J !i:{,.<S'.M7S,.
liasisof calcuIalioiillierevenuefroniCiistoms p.iidliy !t(>0 will he reileemed. making a total amount
; lie |ieiiple of the country this year will he, in r.iiind of .s!(,()0(>.(l(i7 for redemption of deht to he
nuinhers. .s.'{,(HH.),(KK» less than that paid la.st year, met out of tein|)orary loans. Then the capital
which was aliout the amount of actual taxation expenditure, Ihe increa.se of deht for the two
lakeii o(i' in the rejieal of the duties of raw sugar, preceding years, the net iiiereiLse of ilelit for
The I'Niise will net, proliahly, aliout SI .(MKI,(M(<t the current year and the next year, have to lie
more limn the ])ast yi'ar. The Miscelliineous 1 have met as well : so that in addition to the .s)l,7."i;i,3.'f;i.
estimated at alHiiit the .same. Coming to the expend- which is at present running km a temporary loan.
itiire for IS!1|!VJ. up to the "JOth March we haveex. ]iriilialily some .s!,"i.fKM>,(MM» will have to lie provided
peiided S'_';{,'J«(i,(HK>. ami I eslimale for expeuditure either liy lemporary or liy permanent loan. As I
11)1 til the end of dune, .'*l.'f,4.">0,(KKI, which will iiieiilioned to my lion, friend who iiuestioned me 011
make a total estimated expenditure for the eurrent this point Ihe other day, whether these leni|)orary
year of .S,'{(i,(J.")(),(HH(, which is just alxmt the same as loans shall he continued as they lire, or as they eaii
my estimate of revenue, leaving a small halance hest lie conlinued, or whether it will Ik.' ihoiiglil
to ihe good, if weeonie out upon that liasis. That iidvisalile to go U|ioii the market for a permanenl
is, the House is to uiiilersland that under present j loan to meet and wipe out all these temporary loans.
I'omlitioiis of tarilT and revenue, as long as they ! will he dependent u|ion the indieations of the money
leiiiuiu, we must not expect much siirplu.s. We . market, and the present is not a lime at which 1
uiiii (IcHliitely Hiiy what these iiiilii'iiti'iiis w ill ailvixf.
Ti) show that whiilcviT liiiiy linvc liccii tlic iciliir
tiiin in the < liivciuiuciit s,i\ iniis hanks in |.H,S!i !M(
and |S!M» ill. it ^»h ni>t dui' In a <liniiniiliiin in
till' savings and dt|)i>i-ils dt' tin- |ici)|(lc. I have lure
a tahic w hii'li I think \(ill ^'i\i' .satistarlion tntlii'
lliiiis.'. This shows thr total :
Dkpiisits is lUSK.a.
Miiy M . 'IKi May M . 'iH I'Vli. UM. •'."•.'
Ill I'.ii. SiiviiiKy Hiiiiki<
111 l»(iiii. S.iviiiirs Hanks
InChiirtcr'il Hunks |uiy-
iiliK' (III (liMiiaii I
1 11 CImrtciM Uiiiiks pay-'
iihli- iifliT n<ilii!« Mr un
a lixfil .lay..
t-'ily mill District Sav-
• ir- Hank, anil Ciiissc
il' Uuiiiuiniii'
Total?
'.'I XhAM
21.1.'J(l.4ii
17,114,889
.'>1 ,4 m.lDl .■i<i,52l!,47;t OO.OLfVe!
Tl.tWi.MT sl,i;7!i,4(m H".,.'!'.il.JJ7
10,77H,li'.l liLKiLMti ll.i.C\(Mi
17ri,7a'1.2.'iS 1!H),441 .7:,i.t ain,!«>S,710
This ti'lls lis that w liureas llii' ywifcndiii}.' Mav .'11, .
IS!M. witnt'Hsi'd a dejffusc of ovtT .■*|,(UMt.(«KI in
dt'|iosits in tlif (iovci'inncnt hanks thi' S months of
tiic iiiiii'iit yeaf show an iiii'ii'asf of neaily
.S4IHt,(HH» ill tlit'KC deposits, while tlit- total iiicrfuse ]
in all hanks is. for tlie S nionths,.'s:|.S..V2(i.!)S(l.and for
the ■_'<• months .•<■_' 7, -(!.">, I It I. Whatevci ionise may
W' adoptfil as to these tein|)i)i'ai'y loans it is satis-
factory to know thai there are iiidieations
t'rom tln» records of the |wt>t two yeui'H of some
trial and dilficnlt.v. that in the money markets at
home the eredil of Canada stands well. First,
our stoeks uiid Heciirities, while pai'tieiputili;;; in the
'.;eneral fall which took i>laie a year or so a>;o,
iiwinji to well-kni'Wn causes, have »|)cedily reeov<ned
and maintained themselves since in advance of
the securities ami stocks of e\ery other eohmial
market.
sii: nil H Mill s i.KTTi'.n in
i;i iiMiMisT.
I think it is not amiss for inc. at this jioint.
to take not ice of what I coii.-idcr a somewhat
niiiai'kalile, as it is. I am lia|i|iy to .say, an nn-
)ireceilented, circiimslance. with reference to oiir
lifisitioii and standing in the old country. Hon.
L'cntlemeii know \V(dl on this side of the llini.se thai '
during the last three or four years we have had to i
meet in the I'nited .'States of Aineiic.i malign '
iiilliieines emanating from reitain iieisons in '
('.iiiada, pointing out to those who are not i
very friendly to us on that side of the line, the way in I
which Caiiuda could he the most effect nall.y stricken '
iind Ml what interests she might lie most especially
hm>. .\iid those intimations, sent often direct, sent
often through agents, ami intlneiitial agents, .sent
iplite as otieii in the piililished spee.'hes ol lion,
geiitlenieii on the other side of the House, have
had their effeel, audit has happened that in the
legislation which has sn|K'iveiied ( anad.i has heen
hit at exactly those jHiints pointed out in the way
I have mentioned. tint. Sir, it had not lieeii
known previoiislv that the seem of o|H'i'atiutiM wuh
to lie transferred li mn this country and carried to
the iniithei conntiy, when' the eiedit and n piita
tion of Canada are of iiineh iinportaiiee to us, and
contrihute greatly to our prestige and onr pros-
perity. Ihit, Sir, it has so I.een determined and
the first attack has lieen delivered. The time
of till' attack was a peculiarly opportune one
for an enemy to have winged his .irrou ti« a
vital point in Canadian reputation and Can
adian cri'dit. It «as a time when the money
market in (ireat llritain was peculiarly sensitive.
It had for two years lieeii sustaining the strain of
losses and liipiidatioiis in .South America and of
liiHiidatioiisat home, and wasagitated l>y the ](ossi
liiliticsanil premonitions of tinaiieial hard-hip. and
perhaps tinaucial disaster in ditl'eient parts of
Kiirope. It was a time when criticism of lolnnial
tinaiice was much the fashion in (ireat Ihitain, and
Was .somewhat unfavouralih'. owing to the late at
tempts « hich h.ive lieeii made, not always success
fully, Iiy the Australian colonies to lloat liKinson the
iiioiii y market, and which had in most eases re
suited iinfiivonralily to themselves. It was a time
when, as 1 have stated, Canada herself had tern
)iorary loans running, amounting to .S|II,(NM),II*NI.
which had to lie coiiliiiiied or renewed in one foiiii
or another. It was a time when many nu'iilorious
eiitei prises wtlc upon the London market, which,
if they could he realized, would lend to the dcvelop-
nieiit of the resourci's of Canada in a material de
gree. It was ,i time, too, when owing to tiie line
and alinndant harvest of last year einigritnts troin
the various centres of (Ireut Itritaiii were lieiiig led
to look to Canada, and to our North-West |)articii-
larly. as a future home for theinsehes and theii-
families. It was a lime, \ hen a friend of ('aiiada.
if he had nothing good to .siy, would have held his
peace, or if he could have presenti.il one truth to
have hiioyed up ami sustained the position of
Canada, woiiid have thought it his duty to do so.
It was a time when an enemy would have dipped
his arrow in poison and winged it as straight m he
eould to the vital part ot Canadian credit and re-
|)ntatioii in the old coiintiy. He was w ickedly wise
too in Ilia elioieu of the iiistriinicnt tlirnugli which to
make hisattac'k. He chose a tinaucial jmjier, one of
the lir»t in Cleat Hritain which eirciilates among
inonied men. and through its utterances and repre-
sentations has grvat iiiHiience and great weight in
ilrtfiiiiiiiiiii.' I 111' iiiiinl cif iiiciiiit'd lui'ii Inwunls iiiiy ; out (Jii-ut ItriUiiii, from wliifli we get the yicatiT
.iniiiti V iiifiiti r|iii.si',iiiulH liirlii.s.stuilii,"! as wrll liy ' part, I iiiiiy ^lay the Ixittor jjart, of tlu- iiiiiiiinraticni
ilitliiiiiti.il fai-tiirs and riininrs in ilic iiiiij;ral imi \\l\icli( nines to tliifU'oimtiy. Hi" ilcclarcstiu' icnsiis
from lliat loiiiitiy to this. Sir. I liojij in my liaml sIiowm tliat Canaila lout in tiie last ten years l.TitMl.-
tile iloiiiiiicnl wliii'li.at this jiurtiiiilar limi' ami liy IHMI of in'ople. Tin- ii'iisus sliows no siuli thing;
this imiii iilai vcliiclc. has fii'cn not only sent liroail Imt such a slight misrcliiTsiiitation as that lauses no
I'ast in the /■.''iiiinmi'i llirou).'li (Jnat Mrilaiii to do MLrii|ilis\iith the lion. jii'nll'Uiun. he makes liisstate-
Its work, hut has arlnalls lici'ii |iiiiit('d. iiiohahly mellt all the same. l[i' dcilaii's that till' a;;riiult ill'
liy till' HI iter liimscif if not hy him hy one wlio<i8t8 of this country have lieeii simply hied white
was a no greater frieinl to Canada and as a cam- and that !>!(i(l,(MHt,tMM> are taken annually out o!' the
(migli dociiliieiit has l.eeu spread through ( ireat pockets of the |)eo|)le for federal tiixatioii.
Ihitain from oue end to the other. What are the
a.-sei lions containeil in this doeiinieiit '.' They are
assertions uol new in us heie. assertioiisstated over
and o\ei .igaiii from almost every plattoini in the
Sir l!l(IIAi:l)C.\l!T\VI!li;llT. .\iiil umre,
Mr, I'OS'I'KI!. That, ill roimertiou HJth tiie
ion. gentleinan's statement that in thirteen years
ouiitry and on the Moor of this House year after c,,,,,^,!., i,,,^ ,,.^.i,l,.d hei taxation, i.s prohahly tin
year, and exposed as often as they were ult.Med : j,,.,,,,t,..„, „,■,,;] ,|„. „,,,„y ^,,.,..„ exaggerations of
liiit which going to the Ihitish pii
' which the lion. ;;eiitleiiian, during the last li\V
IJriti.sh people had far dillerent weight attached to ^.^.,^,.^_ 1ms heeu -uiltv. lu ISTS the taxation of
them Irom the name ami position of the writer ,iud ■„„. ,.,„„„ .^ f,,, ,cve,iiie purposes w a.s .sil7.H41.!»:iS,
or.S4.:i7 per head. In IMII it was .S'lO.'iU. l.'id, or
•><() per liead. 'I'lie increase in taxation as to animint
has therefore lieeii hut 7<1 pel cent, and as to rela-
tivi' iiicid«'iicc hut .'(" per cent, instead of 'Jdd per
cent. Ill no I'ouiitry in the \\oild do farmers pay
less laNistlian in Canada. He declares that hriliery
is a pure mallt'r of husiness rmitiiie in ( 'auada. 'I'lie
from tile fact that the phases of ( 'anadian ) tally poli.
ties and the facts relating thereto are not stiulied
and are not well understood, as indeed they loiild
scaieelvlH', hy the |ieople ill ( ireat Ihitain 1 suppn.sc
it is known to whom 1 refer, the geiitleinan sits
opposite to me to ilay, he was l'"iiiaiice Minister
during the l.ilieral regime, he is to day the actual
tinan.ial leader of his party, if not the potent leader j,„„' „,,,„u,,„;in may lind something in Ids own ex
of liisiiaitv. he is the meiiiher for .South Dxfoi '
(Sir liicliard Carlw riuht 1. His statements, whicli
perience to justify this statement : I would not
uitradict that, hut if lie means ditit assertion to
tnay he read hy any lion, menih.'r w liociiocises to ,^,,,,,^. ,„ ,,,^, ('.nadiaii ( iovernment . as at present
constituted, or as it has heen coiistituteil since IS7S,
I give it my einphaiic denial. He atlirmcMJ. .sjr,
that puhlic life in ('aiiada is disgrai-eil h\ an intol-
eralilc and organi/.ed corruiition. unkiiowii to the
|)eo]ile of Knglaiid since the dax s of W'aipole. or
He declares tlieiv ixi.sis a I rememhuis exodus and d,,,,!,,, ,i„, .Second, and he win.l's up hy .leclaring
ilo -so. are f.iiiiiliar and wetl known, hut I liav
arranged just half a-ilo/.en in a line of crescendo or
climax, keeping the worst to the list. He declares
in that Mocuiiient that during thirteen years Can-
ada h,is tichled her taxation. This is not true.
very gnat depieciat ion in farm lands. Thai is ai
exaggeration, and what there is true In it is mad
that it is utterly impossihle tor Canada to prosper
under present I'onditions ; that, ''if there is no
all th.. more mischievous hecau.se he jmts no lads change. Coufederaliou must perish, rotten hefon
f comparison ah.i.g villi the .statement he makes, j, |„„, ,i„„. „, |„„.„„„. ,,^^,f ,.i|,^,^ ,^^ .^ ,.^,.^„„ ,,f ,,„.
H
tilt' iiggregate didit of this louiitiy. The immcust
increase consists in this he is speaking i-f federal
matters. I su|)posc, and he means federal indehlcd
lii'Ss that in IS7.S the aniouut per heail paid for the
federal indehtediiess was 1*1.. ">S. whilst in |S!I| it was
.'*l.7l>, an iimuen.se ilu'iease of just IS cents per
head during llu' period from ls7Stii ISllj. That
document states that 1 he gr.at mass of the peoph'. |,,,,,,, ,„„i ,,uhlishi,ig it as he has puhlishe.l it.
notahly llie farm.'rs of Canada, are dislindly ,|j., ,„c,siimed motive for taking his case at all
pnoi.r than twelve years a,L;o. hefoielh,- I'.iili.sli piihlic, wii.s, that he might ex-
Sir Kit H.\KI»C.\I!T\VI;1CHT. Hear, hear. I'li'i'"" t'"' H'ili^li I>"'''''' "hat he meant hy tins
policy which for the last five years he has heen eii
Mr. KO.STI'll'. This isa line slatement to he iiiaile deav (iiiriiig to tlirnst upon the people of Ciiiiiida,
liy thehmi.genlli nianaiid spread liioailcasl ihiougli .onl which was as intoleriihle to the thinking
e declaivs there has he.ii an immense increase in ,.;..,. ,„„, ,,„. f,,,,^. „i,|, „|,j^.|, j,^ .^„.,i,.^ |,,,,.^, ,„,,,„
adininislered." Tli.il. .sir, is the lion, gentleman's
lontrihulion. .\ tudio iinfoiiiah'il, a more iinjusti-
liahle and a more mischievous atleiii]il to ruin the
icpulalioii and cie III of his eonntry in imother land
js. haiipily, not to In' found in the annals of model n
political history. Now. I say that the I gentle
man can lia\e hut one luiitivc in penning that
lii'itisii public as it was to tiiv thiiiliiiig Cauaiiian
piililic. 'I'liat, Sir, iiii^lit have lii-on a giHnl ami
valid fxi'ii.sL' ftir tin' lion, jjciitlrmaii to have c'\-
|)laiiic(l liis jHilicy ami ilcfi'iidcd it lictnuMlu' Itiitisli
|>ulilu', liiit it was iMi fxriisc for Idin taliiiiu up liiDrc
lliaii lialf of liis li'lliT in liiis vililicaliuu iiiid lui-
wanautfd aliuwi^ of tiic pi'opli', tlif pcilitii>, tlic
ri,'putatioii ami llic urcdit of Canada. He could
liavf hut ouc mot i VI', aud tiial niolivi' was to tiausfer
the partisan operations carried ou during the
last Hve years in fruitless liehls eoniparatively upon
this sid<', to iheother .sideof tlu' water, from whieli .
sve draw our synipatl'.y, w licre we look fm- laix'e '
capital to develop this cduiil ry.aud \\ hcie I he credit
and leputalion of Canada count as a ^'leat faitor
in our future piogress anil developiiieiit. 'i'liese
f-aiue niisieprescntatioiiH the hoii. gentleman has
lirought f(U th licfore the electorate of Canada tiuu'
an<l again for tin' last live or six yi'ars. He has;
given them utterance ou almost every hustings in
the I'ountry, and, wherever he has uttered tlicni. i
almost without fail in these latter ilays. the )»L'oplc' I
have rcpuiliatdl hiiir. Now , the lion, gentleman, '
foih'd, disappointed and lianlkcd in his pro.
gramme of veiled annesatioii in Canada I ipiole
the words, aud if not the wurds the exact meaning ot !
I he gentleman whom he owned as leailcr for six;
or seven years in this House toiled aud liaulked
aud disappointed in that, he has nolliiiig lietter to
do than to liaiisfer his liasc of operalious to the
mother couutiy and give there one linal stall as
strong as lie can .it th<' credit, the rcpiitiition and
the vitality of his native country. I thought it
my duty to call the atti'iition of the Mouse aud
the country to this tjiattcr. I luand the action
of tlu' hon. gentleman as iiniireccdentcd, as!
inijiistilialile, as uncalled for, and is most iinpa- !
triotie ; lail which, from a parly point of view. I
present to hon. gentlemen opposite with this single
remark : That so long as they ri'tain their alliliatioii .
in politics with :\ gentleman who adopts that
method of waifare, just so long they will not hiive ;
to iwuk far ,ind wide for reasons w hy they are |
lepudialed Ky the ( 'anadian people ,ind refused the
reins of political power. They willliud llieexplan
.'itions elo.se at home i]i sm'li actions as tho.se I '■
have noted. \
Ml'. 1,.\NI)K|{KI\. l'rol.alil.\ they will get a !
r(cottnl.
.Mr. KO.si'rKi:. It would take a great many
recounts to have thi! hoii. genlleman who inter-
I upts nie straightened up. '
■I'lIK roNDITION or ■ritAIII..
I pass from that little epi.sode to a more pleasing '
suhjec o the House ill general, and one which (
will prove. I am sure, a complete refutation of
the iiiisrepresentiitioiis I have just iiotieed, and
I will oiiijuiru for a few moments as to the
conditions of tr.nle as developed liy the opera
tioli of the past and of the current year so l.u
as it has gone. I do this, l.irgely lieeause the
as.Mition is \ ery frei|iu'Utly made inside this
House .iiid out of it. that the trade of Canada is
actually diminishiu'.'. aud that since the o|iera
tions of the McKinley Uill ami the making of
tieaties con.seipiciit upon that legislation, Canadian
trade is lieing iian pered and ( 'anada as a country
is liei-ominj isolated and restricted ill her area of
laisiiieN.- tiansaelions. Well.. Sir, if we take the
agglci;;ite ti ide of last year we will tind that it re-
luaiued 111 alioiit the siiiiie ligiire as that of thejire-
eediiig year, which, however, we must not forget
was in advance of alioiit s| I.INHI.INMI upon tie-
year preceding that. The impoits. however,
are nearly .SL'.IHHi.lMHt h .ss than in IS!H), caused
in.iiuly hy larger product ions lor our own home
market as a residt of tarilV legislation, and as
a result of the develojiment of our inaimfactiir
iiig industries. Take, for instance, as a matter of
tariti' legislation. We liml that there is a decrease.
in round niinihers. of .-sSllO.IMHt in the importations
of polk and polk products from the I'nited States
in IS!)!. MS compaied with ISiKI. That does not
mean thai our piople have consumed or prodiieed
less pork products, hut it means that the pork pro
duets which hefore. under lower tarill', came in
from the L'nited Stales of .\iueriea and displaced
or siipplieil the demand for our own products,
have liecii kept out to that extent ; and that
this demand is now supplied hy home piodiiclion
to the heiielit of the eoiisumer and producer as
well. The following tahle will make this clear:
hiroiiTs riaiM I'MTru .'srciKs ivru (".\nai>\.
1890.
1H!>I.
Iii'i'r<'ii,»i'.
Llii<. hl)s. I.lis.
Itaciiii, h .1 III y a ml
slinalilers l,:m.iW1 L',.'iTil.4l.' I.Ts.!,'.'ll
Heel ... ti.41."i,lli". -.Ti.'j.HU .'i.T.iil.il »
.Matteii I'll), .li;; ii,;;ss i'l'i.tiT.'.
I'ark I7,lS.",,:iH ll,lIli,!it.S il,i/lW,K|li
Ijinl 4,*Hl,7sti imhilVi ,\hOi,1:(1
•^,112,7(11 17.liHi,,-iOt Ci,7l2.1ii7
Vnliie .•iil,7;ii,'.'J."i ,*ii7;t,:irj 5i7t>ii,!ii;i
The tot. 1 1 export^, however, of this past year iimoiinl ■
ing to .'<'JX,4l7.-1Hi show an increase of .':i|,(i(>S, U7
over I.HIHI; so that, while the iin)iort8 have tleurcascd
for till' causes I have mentioned, our exports show
agratifyiligexteiision. especially w hen yon liml that
10
■ ■iiiii|iiii<c| « ill) the i'\|i'irl> 111 llir pii'i'dliii^r ytiir iif I'.ill nui' ^uiy mini- cif » likr iiiUiiri' necessarily
lSS!tilii\ rxiccil llic.sc liy tin liij^r ,-imi i<\ SH.'J'.'S. li:,i> till- ctiiifiit of ( 'iiiiHiiii's tx|Hirt tiiiile (ir the
)'.1t. All imicasc of iicuily s|(».(HKI.(KK) iiu\|Miits ill iiinviit i>f its griuTMl liusines.". ( '(iiii|iiiriiig ISSS
i\Mi yciir.s ciiii in;; ilii' \fvy [niioil iit' this llircuti'iieil wjtii ISill.diir cxixirts of aiiiinalMiuul tlitii' |)r<iil lifts
.mil iimrlitiilkiiil of lf(^islatiim wliii'li was to have to tlie L'nited States fell fi-oiii S7, •")!•.">, (MHI to
liiiiileieil ami leslrieteil iis.is ve|-y jjiatifyili^' tiMiiiy- S4..'il(l.(MK), a decrease of 4."! jier cent, whereas the
oiMU ho look. •. 11 1 loll the II latter fioiiiii fail a ml iiasoii e\|iort.s of tlie same |iioiImiIs to < in sit 1 hi tain io>e
jhlislamlliiiiiil. The e\|iorl of the iasi \i r is till from Sl(i..-)(KI.(HMt in ISSS to S-Jl .IHMI.IHKI in 1K!I|,
lari;esl ot iui,\ year sinie ( 'onteileialioii, with the an imrease of 'JT |i(i leiil. The eX|)oits of agri-
i\n|)tioii of ISS'J. It is ilea! ly Si t.linU.(KK) more c iiltiual |Hoiliiits to the I'liiteil States fell from
than tliiaveraiii'yearly e\|iiiit siiiee ('niifeileiation, SlIMMKl.lHMt in lISSS to ST.IKKI.IMHI in ISill.a ilc-
aii(|s|7.7"<l.(HKIiiii)re than llitav(!rageaiiniialex|»i>rt etea.se of :fl> per ei'iit. while those sent to KliL'lanii
limine till' le^rimeof hull. ;,'eiitlemeii opposite. .\s ruse from .•54.'2!I'_'.(MKI in ISSS to •■-!">, -"14, (MM) in U!)l.
tiirlher lonlirmalion of thefavimralilelreiiil ilis.erii an imrease of "J'J jiei eeiit. If you take the total
ilile ill this, I miy mention this faet to the llmise: e\))oits in ISSMaml eoiiipare tlu'iii with those of
Thai allhoiiuli (he exports last year reaelieil that ISill. (here wa.sa iherease of .'{', per eelit iu those
liiyli water mark ami were .■sMi.tPdil.OOU aliove tlu- sent to the rnileil States ami an iie-reiise of •_'•_' per
exports of ISS!), yet in ilir ei^lit months of the eiir- cent in those sent to Knjriaml.
rent yeai- the exports are lii''hertliaii the exports i, , -i-i-n .->v i. . i i
, , . , ' '^ ,. . , ' Mr. I'.XIKMSON (I'.raiit). .\re tliese the pro
fit the ei;:hl mii|illi> cm respomhlii; ol last \eai , ... , , , , .
, , , . ,,,, , '. , ' iliicts o| ( anaila alone, m the total exports .'
hyahoiil .■sUMN«»,(MH». | Ins ineaiis that it tJKpropor
liuiiate increase jiolils till the eml of the year, the Mi'- I'OSTKI!. Tlieseaie the home proiliiclion-
c\portsfoi |S!I| !!•_'« Illlicahoiit .•<l:!.lMMMHKIor.sl I, of Canaila alone. There is another imlicatioii
(KKi.iKMl ^.rieater than tlieexporls of la-l year. « hi.h contra. lictory of tiiis theory of assertion that
were Sl(l,(MKI.(l(MMiiore than the exports of i.SSlI- I raile is stagnant in (anaila. Il is foiiml in the
It is a circiim.M.uii e w liicli I lia\ f iioteil, ami which lecinl of the railway.s ami sliijipiii;,' of ( anaila. as
may l.c iiiierestiiiL; in it.-,lf, that there is scar, ely slmwii in the followin^r lahle :
a ilollars ilillerence liclwicn the exports of the i; vii.u \vs in t'w vn a.
eiiihl months of the .■iiiiciit year which 1 have .■■.-— - ' -
meiitiolieil aiiii lliose of the twehc liiiilit lis of t lie ,|;i V,.. 1 .
.Mill's 't'.,;,, .XailllM'l -r
last y. Ml- that my hoii. frieinl Was Finance .Minister Vcir. (iiiera- juj,',,,,,,. I'li^-- Kioil^i'ii. IvT'ii'iB'--
in the (iovernmeiit of .Mr. Mackeii/ie. This st.ite "' " ""
iieiit is imiiiciisely strengtheneil. ami w ill he liy s;
that iniicli the mole re.i.ssiiriiiL' to the coiintrv, liv 1"^""' 4.^'Ji. IT.t'iSii.livV .'1,111(1.111) a.r.Td.s.iii l>i.4Tii,'kiii
,1. . ,1 ,: . .1 . ■ w.-., ,1 1 X- . 1 \- HSM ii.sui: l'i!,4'.':,ii'i li.iiy.nis ii,!i:is.n.\s ■s:.r*'<\Ai:
the i-ellection that since lh,,l the N.ihieot articles ot ihh'i VMIN ;ts sl'i .'is,! pM.'il ii.'i1 17 r's r,'>(l |' M'M')I.'
export anil ni,porllias.lecreaseill,yal.on,one.,liiii|, ]*- \i^ ™.:i J.S.,^ -..gM^ l^ms^j
.mil that to llml llic comparalixe volume of liaile
mm ascompare.l with that ilalc yon iiiiist a.hl fully '"ver'Tsev" ll"i |m-, IV1|i,i-, l's;; p. ,-. 117|,,c.
oiii ' liiril lo till- li'.'urcs of till' |iicsciil Irinle. This.
Sir. woiilil make tlictraile of IH'II ahoiit .'^•_".IO,<MKI,.
.SIlll'I'lXII IX ( AXA'l v.
(MH) on the hasis iit the \alites of lS7."f .is compaicil
«illi the tiaile of the latter year. Our tot.il
t;.iile has iiicrea-cil with the rnileil St.itcs. ( ;, r Tuiimiiij' nf t,,,,,,,,^,, „f
•11 in_\ , Spain, Italy, New fonmllaml, llie \\ csi In Yi'iir. '"'""'.""''. In , mil I'nt
.lies. China ami .lai.aii. It has ilcr.as.-.l slightly '"V''.la.<iii'iV,'' ' «'"i'-'iii«- '
with llr.al Ihil.iiu. l-'ian.-e, l'.)rliij;al, ll.illami,
llclgiiiiii, .South .Viiieri.a ami Sw il/ei laml. (hir IsTii ll.Uli'i.Sl'.' ' lj.iit;i;,iW;
. xporl Iraile, how ever, has iiiereaseil hugely, that )s;i;l. "..'."!,!!..!..,' .!,., IHilii'iiirKi L"J!7iC.li.T
with (ir.'.ii Itritaiii lieing .S||,(MH(,(t(H) in excess of \W. ■.'.....'■■'. .' 18>»|^ii4H^ ZWiU.'iil
IS.SIt, anil lliat with the West Imlies having in lii'ii'iise. I'-'.il "vcr Ix"!'., ill |>. c li'7 |i. .',
I'leaseil in I he sam.' lime liy ..liint s,'>(l(l,(HMI. (iiii
exports to the I'liite.l Slates, as ..imparcil with |n |S7."> we li.-.l 4,S'J(i miles in operation; i:i l,s<ll
those of I.SStl, sliowaih'cieaseof.S'.'.4(MI.(K«l. Iluni' wchail I4,(HI7 miles in operation. The train mili'-
a lulih' lure « liicli I will nail, simply to show the ,|^,. in the same time nise froln 17.<iS(t,l(iS inih's to
treii.lof tni.l.' w itliin the last few years, ami to give 4;t.;t;u,S<ll miles, an Imn'ase of I4."> per cut. The
lis hope ami .•oiirnleti.e thai lieilher the M.Kiiiley pass.'iigers in.reaseil from .'», l!H»,41(i to |:t, I(i4,4-Jl»,
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an iin:ri'iit*f of l.'i;t \h.[- I'cnt. 'I'lif trciglit ini'ivasol , in tliu way of estalilislnn;; foi it'.s|)oiiiIin),' rniiinic!-
froin ."),(i70,,S,S() tons to 'Jl,7-7,<*'i") tons, an iuLTouKc oial aj^eni-ics in ilillcrcnt ports and icjuntd's,
of iJS.S pur cunt. Tlic earnings incrcaneil from .* lit,- soinewliiit on tin- ronsulai olan. witlioui. ot
47<l..'):til to .'*4.S, l.'{il,itS(», an inticasi' of 147 l»r cunt, couisi'. (li|ilonialif staii<lihu or iliploniatir rf>poM>i
Tlu'M' tigiiri's eUccHi.iUy (lonionstiati- tin- alii-iiidit y liility. At t'lr pivM'ht tinii' wr li;i\ r as iiiniiin iri,.!
of the contention lliat llic tiioli lift anaila lii not on agiiils in I'aii*. in tiiial lliilalii. in tlii piin-
a constant anil |)id^'rcssivc incrisisf. <i)iul i<'ntii>i of the West Indian Islands, ;.;i iitli •
M I I viiiM.i- IV -iM -1 'II''" wlioM' sfivici'S arc enlisted for the purpose
Mr. l..\M)r,l!KIN. [lie railways are not .on- . , ' ■
. 11 1 1 .1 ,. ' ot irivini,' all iiossilile information liv idrres-
tfoUeil liV tile ( iO\ ellilllelll. .^1
|)onilen(e an<l liy reports, to lie '-eiit to tlie
Mr. l"()S'|'l';i!. 'I'lial is a verv wise ami .■laiiieiit
depaj'tiMeiil and ti> lie pulilislnil in Imllelin .'orm
i-d(:i.h,\ I (i\i\ii:i:( i \i. 'i i;r. \i ir.'
r.'mark, and 1 caiiiestly eoi end it to all my lion, asiotlie opporlimiti.'s tli.il e\iM for trade and .-oni
liieiidson this .side of the Himse. I liopc tii.y will „„.,.,.,. lii-twe-ii llio.-e dillerent countries .ind
not 1.C overcome l.y its .sapieiiry. Canada: and I lia\ e no dmil.t tliat flii> service will
Mr. L.\M)|"',P.K1\. I Keg pardon. 'I'lic Inter develop giiehially iiilo one of great pra. tic.il
I'olonial liailway is ( Diilrolled Ipy tile ( l.i\ I'lniiient. lieiielit to ijn liieri.iMtile ilasses of oiii i.wn
.Mr. FO.STKK. Tal,ingal.sollie>liippin.'. wliich '•"H'lHy !'"'! the ditV. rent .oMuliio with uhl.h we
is another l.rancii of our carrying trade, we |i,|,l c.slahlish trade relat ions,
tiiat in IS7!I the tonnage of vessels in and out, sea-
going and inland, exclusive of coasting vessels,
rose from 1 l,(;4(i,.SlL' tons in 1S7!I to lS,S(i;<,(»4S in The feature of lhc> year oiil-ide ot t an.ida
18111, an incfcase of (il per cent. The tonnage of has liein llic ui.le aiiam:enienl ot connmici.il
coasting vessels in ami out rose from l'J,<Mil).<iS.'{ tarills, and the changed principie upon which
tons in IS7!Mo ".U.ftSd.l.'id tons in Islll. an increase commercial intercourse li<tv\(eii dillerent ■■oiin-
of MI7 per cent. These, too, arc conciiisi\e iudica tries is regulated. Within the last few months
lions of the laisiness ami traih' acti\ ity ami ilcvelop- we ha\i' had I'riincc moving to <io away with
ineiit of this conntTy. .sio that, looking at these every treaty in which a most -fa\ niiied-nation
indications of the increa.se of liotli oiir foreign and clause wa-< foiinil, giving notiie as to all siicli
'nteiprov incial trade, the conclusion is forced upon which wcrealioni toespiie. and denouncing thein
ns that tingle has heen a great ami pidgri-s.-i w in- at the period of expiry : and hy the Isi ol .July,
crease in thi' general trade and commerce ot ISil'J. ever y treaty, w itli one esceptioii, w liicli runs
Canada. In passing. I wish to speak for a moment for another year in addition, that l"ranee had with
of the dilleient large steaiiKsliip services of Canada other countries, eiuliodying the most -favoured-
not liy way of going exlianslively at all into the nation clause ami c.ir rving I he oliligations of that
opeialions of the past year, liiit merely to -ay that clause, will have liec-n done away with. The
in the I'acilic coast anil the West Indies steanis'iip French ( iovirumcnt has leglshitcd in the line of
lines, there has lieen a constant and gratifying a doulile larili : a luinimnm lai ill', sutiicit'iit,
inereu.se, hoth in the pas.seligurs eariied and 'n its opinion, to proteil l''rench industries,
in the freight delivered. The steamship .service lor it is constnuted upon the pii.tictive liasis
to the West Indies, especially during this last and which shall lie granted to those countries
year, appears to have given excellent salislac whogive like or coinpensating concessions to France,
tion, ami to have liceii a principal faitor in develop and a general tarilV which is applicahle to all othel
ing a larj^ely in,reased trade hetweeli ouiconnliy countries. Trade ariiingcments, ha.sed iiponthe inini-
and those ilillercnt islands. •Willi reference to llu' mum tarill', aresuliject to deiionncement or change,
.\tlantic fast steamship service, during the past at once or upon a year's notice, so that none of the
year temters were again called for. In an.swcr disturliing and sonietirncs emliariassing coinpli-
to onr calls liut two tenders were received cations w hich attach to the most favourecl nation
hotli of which were, in the opirrion of the clause will, after' the 1st of .Inly next, lie in the way
tiovttrnnreiit, heyoml what cniild reasonahly lie of the coinmerce of Fiance with other countries.
ex)>eiicled liy this country for a fast .Vtliintic ('onse(|Uent u))on this has followed a ivamingeinent
service ; so that, though the iiolicy of tlu' Coverii- among othei' Kiiro)iean countries, I'i'ussia, Austio-
melit has mil ehaie.'ed. the cirvuinstances liavi Hungary, Swit/ei land ;ind Italy making a trea!>
made it impossihle foi' us as yet to estalilish that among themselves, liy which i-eitain products are
service. I maystale.also, tiMit iniiccordaiice w ith ni\ tuutnally charged a lower rate of duties, thus stiinil-
intinratiorr givi^n in the House last \ear on an iteirr latiirg, so far as they could irr that direction, trade
in the Kstimates,] have this year made a heginning ; amoiigthose fourgreal countries. Then wehaveserii
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tlif I'liit.il States. .f Aiiuiic;!. I>\ viitiicnf tlic tliii.i iiicaii Republic, un I liiive slated, iiltlioiigli our tnule
clause of tlie M.Kililey Act. cnteiiii),' into a series with the ReiMihiie is not vciy hiiKf, wc liai)i)eii to
of treaties with oth.'i coimtrics. V\) to the |iicsciit j Imvc the iieiietit oftlie niostfavoiiifilimtioiK laiise.
time the lolloping have l.eeii pioniiilu'iitcd : with | So that Ikiizil i.s the only eomitiy outside of those
Hi"ii'il.«ilhS|.iiinf.ii Cnliaaiiii I'orti. Ri.o, witlilhc \ I have itientione.l in whieh our i)ri.duet.i, for the
Itrilish U'l'sl Indies, ultii the Doniiiiiran llepidilie, time IkIuk, •>' 'crtaiii lines, are |ilaeed at a disad
with Sahadoi. (lerinany, Kranei' and Nicaragua, , ViUitage a.'S compared with tiiosc of the Cnited
gi^in^' these countries in exchunge for <'crtain rcilnc- I States, and 1 may say that negotiations are now in
tiolisaiidlhe placinj; of 'crtain articles tiixnithefrce j progress, which 1 hope will eventuate in our pro-
list, th-' liiMielil of allowing hides, coll'ee. sugar | 'll'cts lu'iiig placeil on the same fooling as tho.sc ot
ami iiiiil.ivses III .■.line into the I'nited States ficc of j tl'^' rnited Slates in the markets of Ihii/il.
dul\. In .ill these eh.inges. w hat has lieen the|
1. , ,. 1- ■ . , 1,1 I THK WASIllNcToS i ON Kl;l;KN(K.
result, so tar as ( anailian interests ami trade are
concerned? In the tiist plaee. I may s.iy that with Naturally, this review of liealy arrangementsaiid
refer-eme to |"ranc»', we stand in aliout the same | their results u])on Canada, leads up to the conference
position as we did hefoic. We hail hefore to pay a wlii<'h took place not long since in Washington Ue-
surta\. over and aliove the rate charged (irent i tween delegates of the Canadian (iovernment and
Ihitain. on our eolonial produce exported to that , representatives of tlie Caliinct of the I'uitcd States,
eounlrv. To ilav w f aie mulcr the operat ions of with reference to trade relations. The House is
the yeueral tariff. With referenec to the treaty j seized of the correHlK)ndence and the facts with re-
wliiili lias lieen a i ranged lietwecn Prussia, .\ustro- i ference to the steiis which lirought aliout the ulti
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Hungaiv. llaiv and Swit/eiland. whatever lienetits mate and eomiiletcd '-oiiferencc ; and on thi' 10th of
■ ' ... 1
accrue tioiu it liy the way of lessening duties, ! Kehruary of this year. Iiy appointment of the
accrue to Canada as well hy virtue of the most- Secretary of .State, a deleuation from the Canadian
favourcil nation clause in treaties withtierniany ami < ioverinneiit went to Washington and met the
Austro llungary. so that the henelits of lessened i ,S(.eretary of State in eonfeieiicc. I may .say this,
duties upon ceitain aiticles under their lately ar- j and I think it is nothing mme than light to say it,
range 1 treaty inure as w ell to I lie products of (^aiiada 1 that Mr. Illaine met us w ith the gii'atesl kindness
coming uiidi'r the same schedule. With reference : ami comtesy. Although not in the enjoy-
to tiie I reaties whieh have lieen made liy the United lueiit of "iiliiist health, and although he was in
.States, as far as Ciilia and I'orto Kico are concerned, j the miilst of the anluous duties of a session of
we have the ad\antage of the most -favoured nation [ Congress, in the midst of diplomatic correspondence
treatment until the 1st of duly of this year. Nego- ' of a weighty and grave character, he gave up his
tiatioiis arc now in progress with a view of having time to the dtdegalion Irom Canada and for live
I'oiitinued to IIS tile same favoiiralile terms : and successive days met them in full and fiank and pro-
there is iiolhiii>.', so far as the laritldf our country I longed conference upon the \;irious points treated
is eoneeriied. ill its treatment of products of Cuha of lietwecn the two. I will say nothing as regards
and I'orto Rico which should induce them to give | the other points discussed, whieh have already
any lietter terms to the I'nited .Slates of .\inerica i heen more or less fully laid licfore I'arliamciit,
thaiito Canada, asweallow their products in, on the j l(Ut with reference to the disiussion of the trade
whole, on a more f.ivoured lia.sis than even the ' (piestioii I think it my duly to make I'arliainent
I'liilecl .St.ites. With rigardtothe liril ish West iicc|Uaintcd with what look place ami the results
Indies, no discrimination was 1 w ill not say . therefrom. In conference with Mr. Iilainc, the
allowed lull liiuted ,(l in tlu' arrangement of the j (^uiadian delegation proposed, as a hasis for nego-
treatv Ixtwcen tlieiii and the Cnited States of I tiation. the Reciprocity Treaty of |S.")4, with such
.Vmerlca ; and I think we owe to the llritish West inodilications and extensions as the changed condi-
Iiidia Islands tiiis acknow IcilguienI of tiieir fair tion of hot h count riei-' iiiiglil render necessary ami
and manly and lirotherly spirit, that in making a , desirahle, and prcs.sed the conclusion of a treaty
treaty whii'ii they considered to ln' of very great ; upon that liiisis. They were met with the reply
licuetit to themselves, and in which coiisideialile from Mr. Rlaiiie that a pioposjil looking to a treaty
pressure w as hroiiglit to induce tlicm to give lieller liascd upon ualiiial pioiliiets alone had not in it the
treatiiiciil to the goods of the L'liited Slates than ' essential elenicntsof reciprocity, so far'.'.s the United
to Canadian and llritish goods, they adhered to the iSlates are concerned, and consei|Uently they were
Coloiiiiil and Imperial system of treating sister j unaltle to entertain it. He raised the i|uestion, as
colonies and the mother I'O'intry on tiie same hiisis did also (ieiieral I''ostei. w lio was iiis inadjiitor in
as they treat others. With reference lo the Uomi" the conference, as to whether we were pri^parcd to
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inakua propoHal wliicli woulil go wiilur than naturul . othurtjuuHtiDii cuiiit' up. Su|ip<iM' tlmt ('itiwula went
pi'oihic'ts. mill tiiki' in ami iiultiik- a general leci- willing to ilisciiniinale again.st the gixxls of the
piouity in niannfaclnreil articlexas well. When outside woiM ami of (iivat liiitaiu on this
that jKiint came up. the ( aiuiili. '« delegation ini- proported hasi.s of a treaty, who shouhl tix the
ineiliately rai.sed the i|Ue.-<tion and diNeus.Med it fully <li.M:riinination and what Khoiihl l>e the n!ea.-<ui'e
and fi'eely with Mr. ISIaiiie a.s to what would he of that cliseiiinination 'r And a.-< an illustration
the neeessaiy eouilition.s of such a leeiprocity. the aitiele of wool and of woollens was instamed,
Did it mean tiial we were to give United Stales in whieh the iluties on the raw material \arv
products and maniiiactuios preferential treatineni in lM>th eoiintries as well ,is il<> the ilnties im the
in our eounlry and diseriminate against like mannfaetnred goods. Mr. Iilaine admitted at onee
itrtic'les from I ireat Itritain and fi'om other parts of that this was a vital )ioint. that the L'nited
the world V and the reply came, after a full States had its poliiy of protection, of large jirotee-
di.scussion of the matter, that a reciprocity tion for lioth wools and woollen goods, and that tin-
treaty would have no ciunpensating ailvantages less this vital jM)int were guarded there would lie
to the United .States of America unless they were no secui ity to the United .sitalcs on the one haiicl
given preferential treatment in our ma.ikels. against smnggling along a line. "t.tKKl miles in extent,
especially against (Ireat Itritain, whioli was their ami no security, on the other hand, loi- the per-
chief c<inipetitor in nearly every line of nuinu- mancnce and pre.sei\atioii of the policy of piotcc-
factured goods, that under any .scheme of le- tion which they, up to this time, had maintained,
oiprocity which could lie looked upon favouralily and wliicii they projiosed to niaintain. ami that he
by them, the United .States wiiuld expect to com .saw no way out of the dilliculty unless the tariti'of
pete with Canadian manufactures in (.'anadian Canada uiirc made uniforiu with that of the United
nuirketrt on even terms, tint with no otlie|-s. Well, States. Well, .Sir, this ijiiestion jia.ssed on in dis-
when that point was reached, discussion took place enssion until we had pretty well exhausted the siih-
as to the dilliculties to lie met liy Canada in suh- ject, when the Canadian delegates, after having
scriliing to a treaty of that kind, and they were ; |iresented the.se dilliculties and canvassed them
fully and frankly laid liefore Mr. Iilaine. They ' fairly ami thoroughly, said to Mr. I'.laine : These
were, in Inicf, tlicse : that in going into a treaty of are our ditKcnltics ; you ackiiow ledge llieni. Now,
that kind we should stand to lose what we were ; yo\i have had huge experience in framing recipro-
less able to lose than the United States of America, ' city treaties and have had much to clu in
a considerable proportion of our revenue : first^ the study ami an angemeiits of reciprocal matters ;
the eigiit milliiins or so which we collected we lay these points lietoie you ainl we ask
ujion the products of the United States that i whether or not, out of y<iur experience, yon ■aiinot
came into Canada ; and. seconilly, the diminu- . see your way to j)io]iose a moililic alion of this
tion, whatever it might be, whieh would result | basis in order that we may diminish, at least
in tlic imports from the outside w<irl(t owing to the to s<ime extent, the dilliculties we are under as to
competition and entrance of United .States goods loss of reveiiui', as to discriininalion, ami a.- to a
flee of duty into our country. Mr. Hlaiiie raised uniform taritl' : ami, after discussion of some time,
the i]ueslion whether we had not other I'lethods of we received an answer from Mr. Iilaine, that while
taxation. We ex)ilained that we had methods of he ackiiow ledgcd our dilliculties. he was clear in
tnxation byinternal revenue as they themselves his own liiinil that n<i other ariiingement wouhlbe
had, tipon w hich he remarked that it wouhl be i satisfactory to the United .States of America, that
necessary in a treaty of this kiixl that these inland their manufactures must have preferential treat-
revenue duties on li(|Uors and tobaccos should be meiil , including, of course, discrimiiiati<m against
eijuali/.ed ; and that immediately lirouglit up the foreign countries and especiall\ against (Ireat
jMiint that, if they wereeijuali/ed and if the United Itritain, that there mttst lie a uniform taritl', and
States were not willing t<i level up to our rates, that that tariH' iimst be ))ractically the tarill' of the
Canada would stand to lo,se a large amount of Uniteil States of America. With this remark, we
revenue in excise duties, inasmuch as our rates are Jia.s.sed on to other p<iints in discu.ssion and we did
much higher than tho.se of the United States. We not thereafter recur to the trade (juestion. This is,
also pointed out the grave diHieulty whieh met us in brief, a fair and candid aeoonnt of what t<Hik
in discriminatini; against the goods of (Ireat Britain placi' at the conference.
with whom, as a colony, we had close ami intimate
... ... • f 1. • . 1 ■ TIIK HKSIl.l-S OK TlIK (■(INKKltl'lM'K.
relations, and the repugnance felt against drawing a
conloii about our.selves against tile w<irld with the I think it is only necessary for ine to put
e.xception of the United States. At this point an- ; in brief the results, and they are simply these:
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that so long as ilic incsfiit piirty iiiiil tlie tins ftousc iis a biisw for (lixcusHion. The hoii.
present pcilii'v is iiiiiiiitiiiiu'il in the I'liittMl ' ^cntleiiian has referred to negotiations that have
States, in one l>rani'h or the other nf the (,egis taken jilaie, ami no repoit whatever of tiiose nego-
lalnre or in tlie Kxei-ntive, \\i- i-iumot liope for lialions has Ihumi laiil liefore Parliament. In tlie
any tieaty with the Cnitecl States, exeept upon la.se of a British .Minister residing aliroad, tlie
these lines, viz.. a treaty width will take in Kolh |iractieb 18 for hin< to niakea report of the interview.
natural piiidncis and niannfa<tiired ;.'(ioi|s : a treaty that report is .sent to the Foreign .Seeretaiy i>nd is
iinliiidl-'il in its scope, of w Idi h the Imsis is a |)re lirow.'ht clown to Parliament. Xow, .Sir, if >he
ferential treatment in oni market w ith discrindn.i- ( ioverninetit adopt the usual course, instead of
tion especially against (ireat Hiitain and against sending an agent to select certain meinhers of the
other eoimtries ; a treaty that must heaecoinpaided (Government to go themselves, it is the husiness of
l>y a unifoiin tarill', and this tarill' eipialized with tli()se niendiers of the ( Jovernnient to report to
that of the I'liiled .Slates of America. These the executive head of lhe( lovernmeiit, ami it is the
are in hricf the- results which have hceii ar- right of Parliament to have that report laid lii^fore
rived at. I turir.g years of discussion from the time them. Xow, there is no such report whatever
the old recijiroi ity treaty was denonnceil in ISIl.") hcfore us. We have no means of judging of the
to the ])resenl time, there have tieen various ideas statements maite l)y the lion, gentleman except
put forward, there have heeii various plans sulimit- what he .says in the sjieech he is addressing to the
ted. tjicri- have liei'ii assertions anil coiniter asser- i House. I say that it is a highly irregular jji-oeeed-
tions of what iciuhl lie done, there have lieen ing. and liefore the lion, gentleman undertook to
several proposals made, Imt ii]) to this ilate we make .such a statement to the House he ought to
have liceii uiiahlc to get any one of our proposals have made a rejiort to His Kxcelleiicy <ir to his
adopli'd liy the I'uilcfl States, or to get one counter colleagues, and that report sh.ould lie otii<ially liefore
[iroposal from them. Now the matter is .settled, the l|<iuse.
SirdOHX TH().MP.S()\. The hon. gentleman
It is yetllecl in point of clearness ami (lelinite-
ness. I, for mv own part, regi-et that it is .set- . .
., , ' , ... , 1 1 .^1 . • • x.i 1 has declared that he is speaking on a oiiestioii ot
tied as It Is, and still I am glad that it is settled i » i
at all. I i-egret that no iiioiliis can he f<iuiid liy
which prolitalile trade relations could he cstalilish- .Mr. MILLS ( Kothwcll). lam.
ed lietween these two countries, without our lieing ,,. i,,irxr ,..1,,^., ,,.,..». r 1 •• 1 .1 .1
. '^ Sii'.lOHX IHOMPSOX. I sulimit whether the
called uiioti to sacl'itice too much of Canadian in- , ,, , . , , , ■■ , 1 1 •
' lion, gentleman has not completelv relutcd Ins own
terests and too much of Canadian nationalitv. I . . . 1 .1 <• ^ ,1 . 11 .14-.
statement liv the tact that when he rose the tirst
am "ilad. however, that from this time forward .1 . 1 ,• i . . ,■ .• ,1 m- • .
thing he did was to ask a (|iiestlon ot the Minister
there neeil lie no lack of detinilencss. for all iiarties - ...
'of I'lnancc
and all iiiW»rests in Canaila may now know exactly
the hasis upon which a treaty can he olitainccl or .Mr. MILL.S ( IJotlivvclh. .So 1 did.
cannot lie ohtained. , ,,,.. ,„,,,.,,,, ,,.. ,. , ,
Sir .lOHN THOMPSON upon which to liase
Ml. MILLS ilJolhwell). I wdiild like to ask the a point <if Older, and he got no re|)ly to that cjues-
.Minislci whether the ilepiitation at Washington tioii. Now, Sir, I sulimit to you whether there is
made any report to His FAcclleney or to their any 1 iile. any iiractice, any authority of any des-
colleagues, on their return, that can he laiil lirfore cription whatever, which restricts a .Minister of
Parliament V I think. Sir, it is a very unusual thing the Crown from stating that which has transiiired
to enter into such a discussion on this occasion. on a mission on which he has liecii sent liy coin-
p(^teiit autlKirity. There is nothing of the kind, I
Mr. l'"OSri''.IL My hon. friend is the unusual sulimit, in the n.sages of Parliament ; there is aliso-
featiire on this occasion. liitely nothing of the kind in diplomatic usage, or
,, ,,,,, . ,, ., ,, ,,. ,, M ^. , the practice which prevails lietween .Ministers and
Mr. MILLsi I'lothwell). W tdl. .Mr. Speaker, ' ,, . ^ , ,
the hxecuiive. If a Minister of the ( row 11 makes a
Mr. KOSTKH. The hon. gi'iithniaii shouhl not statenii'nt that is not authorized by His Kxcelleiicy
rise and interriijit me. ■ to lie made, or which has not lieeii commiinicalcd
' to him if it should have lieeii communicated to
Mr. SPK.KKKK. The hon. memlier for Mothwell ,^j,,^ ^,,,^^ j^ ^^ „,,^,^^^,. „f ,,.,,„„„i,,i,i,y ,„.„,,,.„ th,,
IS rising to a point of order. > Minister ami the head of the F.xecutive. Hut it
.Ml. MILLS ilJothwell). I think the rule is, that is t.ie right and privilege of every memlier,
when ,1 matti-r of this sort is hcing clisciis.scd. there whether he lie a Minister of the Crown or a
shall lie some oHicial reiHUt hiid upon the Talile of private inemher of the House, to give to . the
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House thill iiifdriiiiition 111! |>\il>lic (juentioiis whiili pr'ii^if.s.s uf the ■uiiiitry. I am jjlail t'oi- tl\i>
lit' |io.s.s(jssts. H lictlii'i iUiylxMly flsc liiis liiul it loni- fv,i.iiiii that this is iimv settlfil, iiiid that Cuiiacli iiis
tmiiiiLatt'<l Id iiiiii or mit. <.;m now tmii thi-ii- fares to tho futiirf with a
., , .,.,,,i'i> Ml . .1 1 lU'liiiiti! idea, (if what thfv liave t<iil<( for thi'iiisflvi'.-.
Mr. LALlllKK. I hiM|iic.stioii put lis iiiv hmi.
t .,,.,,,.• . .■ i.- I ,1 ■ anil what thi'V may exm-ct from those who live
fni'iiil til till' Miiiistvidt I'lnaiufhas not Ihi'1wuis\mi-- ■' ■ '
, , , . .1.1- 1 ■• ■•lust' lifsidu lis. For my own nnit I am not at all
ed. iiidess 111' means tiisay that he IS now iiiakniji, m , , .' i
, . , . r .1 •• ■• 1 ■ 1 » 1 afr.iid to fai-e the fiitme. and to encmintei- what it
his «|)eeeli. a report of the nugotiatnins winch took
, , If 1 ■ , 1 1 -1 ii . £ .1 M- • . lias in store tor lis as to the ile\ elopmeiil and pi"
nlaee at \\ ashm^'ton. 1 siilimit that if the Mmister ' '
. , r ■ 1 ■ 1 .1 ■ ■ . uress of Canada. It the Canadian tanner is to lie
wanted to refer in his s])eeen on this mcasKiii 'o ^
,, - . Ill- II- 1 1 111 deliarred ill L'leat iiart from a market in the I'niled
tile faets wliieh he is now diselosinjj;. he should have ^ '
. . ^ , . , , , , .1 II -.11- .- States fur his prodiiet<. whieli loiirket at the Ik-sI
tllitt laid them liefore the House in the toriii o( a ■
.,, is partial, seetional and vaiialile, he will at lea.sl
.Messaye. '
have this stitisfaetion, that itiiderdiie and ade<|iiate
.Ml. Sl'KAKKK. As I understand the matter. p,-„teetion h.- will not be exposed to the great and
I think the statement made liy the .Minister uf ,i„„j,,,,.„„s eompetitioii. in the prodmts of thi>
Fiiwni'e « as perfectly ill order. 1 know of no iiinre ,.,„|„ti-v, from the iivv;a we.stern eoiiMtry of the
iipportmie time than tile delivery of the l!iid«el.tii l-,|i,,,,| states. He eaii prepare him.self to liiid a
deal with the.se i|Ue.stions with whieli the Minister |,„„.|;et for his -Aares in other eoiuitrie.- where
of Finalico is dealing. He is making statements as t|„.y get more favoiiralile entranee. ami he ean
to tlie result of trade negotiations lietweeii this ,..speeially prepare himself to enter fully upon
(ioveriimeiit and the ( ioveriimeiit of tlie I'nited ti,,^, ;,|„|,,„, im-xhaustilile market wliiih awaits
States, and I know of no rule of I'arliament that |,i,„ f,,,. ,,|| i|j.,, p,-„ducts in Cieat liritaiii, our
would prevent him from making tho.se stateinent.s. „„,,l„.,- [and. In that eouiitry, aiiea.ly. liy foree
Mr. FONT KU. I thank the hon. memlier for lioili. "fg I «piality and liy prudeme in seleetion,
wellfortwothings: oiie,forgiviiigmeeveii.sosli.irta I''*" '"-Ppli"*. i'i" elictme, his wheat, his cattle, his
period of rest : and the otlier. for his very full '"'•^•'>" ■•iiid ham. find large ami constantly imreas-
iiidiiation of his own distnrlied feelings at this ""g markets, and haxe today secured a permanent
time. Cenerally the lion, luemiier for I'.otliwell is p'i'^^' i" the market, and pia.tieally overtop all
thiisung for information. Iiiit to-day he seems to "oiiipetiiioii. .\nil what has lieeii done for the.se
l.esofnllriiathedoesnotreipiirefiirtherinformation. "n tin I'.rilish market, hy the same careful selee-
We.ire lie\er too old to learn, as the .saying goes, tioii. ami the saim- toice of (piality, can lie done
liut I am forced to conclude now that my lion, f'"' »'"■ licans. the liarlcy, the oats, the lainlis. the
friend is either too old to learn, or does not wish Imtter. the poultry, the eggs and all the other
to l..arii iiiiy more. ] was iiroceediiig to lemiiid g't'"' pioduct.s that the fiuiner in this cmmtry
the Hou.se, when I was inlerruiilcd, thai we liave I'lisf-'*. und of which (ireat liritain takers large
low aci|nired a detinite .statement as to the real hasis "ixl increasing i|iiaiititics. If the ( anadiaii manii
upon which a treaty with the I'liited States of factiiier cannot liave a fair entrance into the mar
.\liierica was pos.sil.ie. I was going on to say lint ^'^^'^ "*' the United States, where he would, of
I was glad that it was .settled, altliough I regretted course, meet with strong competition from the
tliiit it was settled in that wax . accuimilations of skill and ca|iital that are there,
he ean, at least- under the shelter of a proper
ianuia's iiii ksk ami I'UosrKiTs. protecti<in, supply the great and growing home
For several years the commerce of this country, ""'"■'ict for iiiaiinfactnre.s, mid with a stuliility
the liusincss of the country, ami the prosperity ensured at home, he can |iiish his wares into
of the country, have lieeii artecled liy an agita- tlio.se countries where they tiiid entrance on
tioii which eontemplated a very graVo chiinge i niiire favourable terms. I was speaking, Sir, u
in the commereial and other conditions of "i cut ago as to »he Knglish market in connection
Canada. An agitatimi was set on foot which « "tii llic farm nroilucts of this country. I have
promised certain things, and held out in I't-'i't' a table, in whiiJi I give the tig ires
roseate language a certain inospeel as the result ' i" I'onml mmibern, imt going into particulars, ami 1
of what couhl be accomplished, and this con- j <ii»'l (ireat Hritain in IHOI importeil for conaump-
liniial agitation, and placing before the people tioii in that conntry. in i|Uaiitity. as follows :
the idea of great changes from which they I!hcoii, ;i.S(),(HIO,(KK> lbs. ; .salt iieef. 'JT.tNMt.tHM) lbs. ;
were to get great advantages ^ which were fli'»l> l>L'ff, -'•-^.'XKMKHl lbs. ; hams, i:t,-.,(MH»,(HH»lli». :
impossible of fnltilment cannot but have ! inntton. i:tt).(MK).tMKI lbs,: pork, 4(I,(MH),(MM> lbs. ;
hud a detrimental etTect upon the busine,ss and j butter, L'4(l,(MKI,()(HI lbs.; cheese, •J.S(),tHK(,{KK) llis, :
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•'KK"' l'H(,(MH>,(HH) (loz. : ii|i|il('.s, ;t,INMI,)NNI Mils. : I iimtt'iiiil in jiDods di- iiionoy is .ilwiiyH iit liiiinl to
|Mitiii(M s. (>40,(HHl,(HH) Ills. : mill in vajiif. |pniiiir\, |my for tliat wliicli tiify |iiiiuliii.sc. So, Sir. I siiy
yi'.(HHI,(KH» : « litiit, .<U.'i,<KK»,(HKt: w liciil tl"iii . .<)ll,- ui- may facf tiiwaiils the iilil conntiy. iUli) I'of our
iMMI.(HM): l)aiU'y,^".MI,(MKt,(HKI;i)iits.>"'_'(i.(Kl(i,(Mm:|ieas, variuil piixliicts, f.vploit tlioAe niarkft« whii'li are
•■^l.-'ilK^iKKt: licans..s«i,(KHI.(KH». 'rii'Tf, Mr. S|ii'ak«!r, siiiv to jiidvi' jiiotitalilf from tluir con.'-tunt, ami.
is a market wlriili is easily fcai-licil, aii'l jtosscssits iiideod ^'tnw irij; liiinattds. .Xml it nray also In-
the featirif ot slalile per'rrraneriee irr that it is thai, iir the rre.ir' fiitiiie. eotisid'/fiiig this waf of
srrliject to the ririnimiim of home eorripetitiotr, tar'itl's, which is takiir^ place the wide woild
of variation and lliictiiatioii in the way of over, coiisideriiij.' lire disoriniiiiiiting heiietitH
tariir imposts pirt npoir it from one year- to the whieli are jjiveti liy soitte eonritries atr 1 denied
other-, a inarkel made irp lar-gely from the rron- "y otlrers. it rrray he worth the car-efitl and
prodncinj,' ela.sses. in these respects, who are eon- j tiioughtfiil attention of the (iovernment as to
stantly at work in the hives of hnsy imiitstry whether or not the time is not a|ipi-oaching, if it is
and ar-eeotrtiriirally callirrgon thisi-oiirrtiy atnlotlier- not near iit hand, when it will Ixfcome the dnty of
I oirntr ies like sitiiateil for- fooil supplies, to make this ( iovetiimeirt to hold otit the harrd <if help
I hat mriscle. laawri and sinew with which they do to those that help lis, to repay favour- with favoiit-
tlie iiiannfactiiring for- so lar'ge a jrortion r)f tire and interest with interest, and to give the liest
world. We have in that conntr-y, hesiih.'S, a dis- treatmerrl in our markets to those countries
i-riminating miii-ket, wher-e the liest wares ai-e which afl'onl to us tlie liest treatment in theii-
i|uickly taken at the liest prices, and w lr<-r-e the markets.
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