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My silence is not for the want of appreciation of the ability and courtesy with which the letters are written. Rev. Professor Shaw. It is of the utmost consequence what a man believes, and what creed a church holds, yet truth has much more to fear from creeds, which Christians do not believe, than from the utmost freedom of discussion. Montreal Witness. January 5th, 1885. (Reprinted //Y?/« the Montreal Herald^ Tv/rnMT'DlT' A T >n«ir vo"-" -— '■I- - - • • ' • r.r.rr^^.I'"' '""' ".'"'v >^»" "^ ihc ministry, ana who is now no more, once said if he thought the doctrine of eternal tor- 6 How is this? ''""^ '^"■'^"''^ '''^'^ •" Heaven. good t any- saved iven ; ve it, I veil. _ Having sent The Herald containing letter No. i to Professor Shaw, I have waited some days hoping he might favor us with a few words by way of explanation, or reply, .-is we need more light on this very solemn and important sub- ject. Not having heard from h'm, I proceed with a second letter, which I hope may not be without some detrree of mterest. ° A TERRIFIC •DOCTRINE. The future destiny of the unsaved is now one of the most absorbing questions of the day, and but few pastors of churches would proclaim as in past times the doctrine that the glory of God wil) be, or is now being promoted, by keeping millions of souls in heli)less and hopeless misery for ever! 1 his is very rarely preached from our pulpits now, and may we not hope that it is not taught to the students in our colleges ? An aged and godly Methodist woman of the old school remarked to me some days ago that " these dreadful things were not so often preached about in Methodist pulpits and churches now-a-days, and she was glad of it " The remark would also apply to the churches of other denomina ,ons. Ihe pews may listen to an occasional and passin>^ remark on the eternal damnation of the lost, but clergymen well know that there would soon be a quick thinning out process going on in their pews and churches were they to preach these doc- trines now with the same positiveness and vehemence as formerly I was glad to hear that Professor Shaw is some- what milder and broader in his views than some other Profes- sors, notwithstanding his belief in the eternal duration of the punishment of the unsaved. AN INTERMEDIATE STATE. He affirms that there is an intermediate state, by which I suppose, we are to understand that the souls of the lost do not go directly to hell at death, but after the resurrection and iudement dav. F.vf>n fV..c ic Koff_. A aiiu tural, for if this be the correct view millions of souls have I hopc, more Scrip- 8 vpJrc ^^^^ '" ^^'' intermediate state for several thousand years, and may remam there for some thousands more, instead ProW^ '" \^\ ^l ^' ^^^" ^^^" ^^^'ght. Although the Professor rejects the idea of mitigation after the judgment day his views with regard to an intermediate state gite some relief and they are more easily reconciled with our sense of justice! It there is no such state, then some of the unsaved would have to suffer thousands of years longer than others. There would be a vast difference in duration between those who were lost at the time of the '• flood " and those lost now or ?n future ages. But what saith the Scriptures on this point? Would like to have heard the Professor's reasons for said be- lef with proof from. the Holy Scriptures. I presume that he is not quite orthodox on this point according to the Wesleyan or Westminster standards. Principal Mac\ .car, however, did l^} P"U"„^">' objection, as he did to the views of Rev. T. Mgar Hill on the occasion of his lectures. The Professor's t^rold'coumr^""^ "'' ' '^'^^^' "P^'^^ S^'"-S g--d - ONLY ONE §HORT LIFE. ^n^'^fttV'"''''''''''' r^^'^^l^ for ihe sins Of one short life, and that life surrounded with temptations and with a nature tending to evil from childhood, does not strike one as being according to righteousness, and most assuredly, with the ex- o^th^" f TVu^ ^^'"-t P^l'^S^^' it seems coatrary to the trend of the whole Bible, when fairly and correctly interpreted ac- cording to he common laws of language and of interpretation. o.^LTvS^' ' /^f'^til^ '^^y ^^'"^P*"'"^ <™s, when theologi- cally explained, should have a different meaning from that given by Webster and Walker. The terms life, diath, perish to mZ' fhlf ''''"n ''°"' '' f'"^' ^^ ™^' ^h°"l<^ be unde^rstiod to mean theologically just what they mean anywhere else, and not somethtng quite different. Should we not accept the facts and stafements of Scripture in their first and mos Ivious mher'book ? '' ''^'''" '^^ ^'^^' "^ ^^ ^°"1^ ^"y LIFE AND DEATH. He that liath the Son hath life, and he that hath not the Son of God hath nof life.-\. John, 5, 12. The wages of sb i^s death, but the free gift of God is eternal /y^.._Rom. 6. A. ^x. L.IC3C, U5 ill many otner passages, life and death stand in direct contrast with each other- life means life, and death means death. The death of a sinner means the destruction of hfe after resurrection and judgment— after due punishment has been received, for God will by no means clear the guilty. But as God's mercy is infinite and " endureth for ever, " he may have many potent agencies at work here and hereafter, in the intermediate state of which we have no certain know- ledge, and by which he is working out the salvation of those who have neglected themselves and who have not used the means of grace given to them, and therefore this eternal life may be bestowed on. innumerable multitudes of those who were while m this world inaccessible to human instru- mentalities and human agencies. 1 Peter, 3. 19. A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE ONLY, Professor Shaw made a passing allusion he very slight moral difference there is between thedes^ sinner and the worsf saint. We all know well enough, that the difference as far as we are are able to judge, is often greatly in favor of the former. Would the Professor then send him to an endless hell of suffering, and the other to endless bliss in heaven 1 Would that be fair or just ? And yet this is the doctrine held by the worthy Professor. If none are saved but those who are " converted " in an evangelical sense, what becomes of the thousands we meet daily in our streets, and many of those who work in our factories, dig our sewers, and scrape our streets, whose life strength is spent in earning the bare necessaries of life ? Do they go down to the pit of endless misery? ETERNITY OF EVIL. I know that your valuable space is very limited to discus- sions of this kind, so that I can only glance at this point which, however, is a very important one. If the suffering of the lost IS eternal, then evil is eternal. I use the word eter- nal m the .sense of endlessness, although it does not always carry that meaning when used in the Holy Scriptures. Does Professor Shaw believe in the eternity of evil, and does he teach his students that doctrine ? Has evil any natural place m the universe? Would he dignify it with one of the essen- tial attributes of the divine Creator? Is it at all probable, jiiagmg irom what we know of His benign character, that the Almighty will allow any of his creatures to remain in 10 eternal rebellion and misery ? I know that we are assured m Hjs holy word that - His thoughts are not our thouZslnS His ways are not our ways," but then are we to suppoL th^^^ He IS less loving and less merciful than we are ? God forbid We must also suppose, and indeed believe, that God's Sni and purposes relatmg to man are never vindictive or r^erelv ^.Zf' ^"Sff io"«. ^nd merciful. Punishn ent wh^h t e^^/ess would be against His nature, and law of worSnl and therefore could answer no good end. We are It a Tos's^o conceive of any motive for the eternal perpetuation of evil of any kmd, but what motive could actuate ffiei g who Ts in finite in power and mercy to permit the evil of e ernll sin and sorrow and woe to millions of our race ? His modves fike His purposes, are all pure, just and good, but we Sn dTscover no good or useful motiv, in keeping millions of huLn souls in endless misery or of perpetuating%vil of any kind for ever! THE FINAL TRIUMPH OF GOOD. all^^'" TLff ^r'-^ *""""P^ ' °^ ^"^ ^^" "God be all in all ? Eternal suffering means the triumph of evil over eood ^:^1^ rari^sc'r pe™o?irf £ «-R"? As I and many others are seekine- Hohf «« ^u indicated in these letters, may we not hone th.t P ?°'"'' Shaw will kindly find time to a/swer them ^^His fecfuTe^^ have .said, was able and eloquent, and was hstened to'^-^u great interest, to the last word^ The folbw ng?^^^^^^^ ^^^ on hymn papers are being sung at the LoTd f eHI Td i meetings in the Albert hIiI an§ in other pTa'ce^ofthldty?!' " The foolish doomed to hell beneath Shall weep and wail, and gnash their teeth, " IVAere torments never die." i; Hell is darkne-'s, deep and awful, Hell IS fire forever burning " Hell is deep, without a bottom I" XiETTEI^ 3Sro. III. ProftL2LterLctur:'i; ^f Sf^^ «^ '^-'"^ " Conditional Jmmor altv " 'or Vh., ^^ '- '' "^"' °" prefer to call Life in ChHs; M ^ '''''^ °" *^^ ^^her side or two ago th^'p^fe^so^lhaw^^^^^^^^ ^^ S"^" %^^^ to my letters in The Herat n j k°>^' 'C^^efly. replied complin^ent, in acknowledging that h s^'' s° lenc" ' '™ '°^ *^^ to a want of appreciation of the .hiUt!?"^^' "°^ ^'^''"S which they were written" nic • ^ """^ courtesy with the P-fesLdSLl^rofour^S'i^sus C\r sh^u^^^^^^^^ '^ be conducted in a Phrict 1,•^^ • •. f '^'^''^t should always of wisdom " In r?ftr nt to'C'l'n^ '''V^' "meekness worthy Professors Tr^^c? ^ ^^^^^^ ^"^ lecture of the of the'te':m ^l^hLS^^"^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^f^^^ the use IS misleadnig and not bel eved in k M ^ already said it doctrine of life in Chris nni, ^ ^^'''^ ^^° '^^'d to the Professors theLekes It wrV"^r"'°''''^^"^t ^^ by the in them touseTtTn such coders. ?'" i'""^"^^^ ^"^ ""^^ir known that whLVnfw'^^^e TcirJ^cf'Tr'^.""^^ '^^^. the doctrine of lifp in PKrict correct. The advocates of dont forget this poim- ''' "°' annihilationists; please att^tr?o%feTocTrLT:f^?FoU>^^ ^^?t'^^ "«^ ^^^ --^ lecture, because he d?d no th^S^?/' ^"'"^^''""^^^ " ^" ^^« authorities of the colle J and PWn • ^^ ^P^^tant, but the otherwise, and douE fetthath^^^^^ McVicar too thought able and important that ttlr ^^^^^^ff ^'on was so remark- Toronto to s^°pply\Le ,ck^^^ ^°' ^'°^- u^^Laren from the subject. Probablv thev sem f^T^ u ^^°^" ^^^^ure to that he would be wen Dosfpd nn !?' ^"" b^^"«« they knew a somewhat prominent^part fn tL p''' n'ft?' ^^^^^^ taken several years a^o when ^n / ^7' ^' J" Macdonnell affair gladly accepted.^ T^v'Sdh^^^^^^ compromise was a thing again in these dajs"^ '^^"^ '''''' ^^^^^^ trying such Then, as to construing Dr. McVirMr'.; c'l^^^^ • . concerning the in.emeSia.e sTa'^ ? h%'t !; "'-° '""'"" »uch an anpression, b„, as he was'so p^onTpi atd decMedl 12 expressing his dissent on the occasion of Rev. Mr. Hill's lec- b™T/^^^^f T'^'u '•" '"PP°'^ ^h^*' ^' ^^ said nothing by way of dissent, that he was not ojiposed to it. The doc- trine of an intermediate state seems to me to have a direct wZ^K°" ^ ^i ?^ ^"'^'^.'' *°™^"^- ''^"d' therefore, should colIplL '■'^u''^'^^ especially by Professors in Theological colleges, as a " very secondary" matter, that is, as to whether iwtrr" '.'k V"°'- • ^'' ^"^'^^^ ^»' his' denomination It seems ^o not believe in it. Prof. Shaw says that he and his denomination do believe in it, so then here, there is a very serious difference. But they are united in the belief that the ev.Tr.1ff T^r' ^'^^^^y. '^"^ "^^y ^'^^' i" character, or how- ever different their privileges and circumscances in life, must and will suffer equally as far as the duration of thei pu™sh ment is concerned. Does such a doctrine seem just or equal > f.Jnf '""' «nustice_//;.„/a« courts-the W//, of the the crim'™^"'""""""' '' ^^^^^^ proportioned to the nature of But as the Principal and the Professor differ in opinion with regard to the intermediate state of the lost, the one be fi^"! nS^th^^lf' ' ir f "^'^'"S " *^^^ ^^"g^°^^ «f eternal hre, and the other that they will not do so until after the resurrection and the judgment. Now, I ask, when ome of the unsaved have been dead several thousand years and some only several days how can they both be consistently correct? The disagreement between the two, far from being a matter of minor consequence," is almost as great and important as Chlt'^T",, V^'^'T '^^^^ ^"d '^^ advocate7of Ti?e fn Snce^Tlhi7b'es'c^^^^ ''" "^'"^ ^^ ''''^ ^^^ The ProR sor, like many other ffood men. believes that tt wrTf" «^^.f e-Pel "ceasf towarnmentH £ teLTna e 'Hhinl^ Jh' "^°''^ P"""'' "' ^!^^ P"^P" " ^"^ ^^en v!^l^ "^ ^^^""^ ^^e t^o mistakes here which are very common among orthodox Christians. The first is this sufferirr^h/^" ^V"i ^'^^'^ ''"^ '''' -^'^^^^ -«"«-ious tfte wrath to come." This s a very serious mistjike letsThrisf l'".h^^ °^^" '^"^ '^ go^rminisTrs-'o'f iSachiL Th^^ thus misrepresenting them and their rS^ f A J ^^ f ^'^'''" '" " the wrath to come." ihey do believe that the punishment of the wicked 13 . will be severe, because they believe the Bible to be the word of Goa, and they there find it stated that He will by no means clear the guilty," and that " God is not mocked, that whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." Thev truly believe this doctrine, and preach it as faithfullv and as earnestly as those who preach " everlasting punishment." Do not then misrepresent those who are "laborers together with Christ by stating or insinuating that they do not warn men to flee from " the wrath to come." The second mistake is this-That "the moral power of the pulpit will termmate" when ministers cease to preach the doctrine of endless torment. Does the power of the pulpit depend upon this ? Surely not ! The only difference between the orthodox and the unorthodox, on the point in discussion IS not as to the nature of the punishment, for both believe the wicked will be punished, but simply as to the length or dura- Inl '^'' ■ ^""^^ ^?^'^^ ^'"^^y ^'^^' ^'^^y ^'•e "ght according !lfM S^"Pi"^e^' the." ^s »t likely that ih^ power, that is thi usefulness, the effectiveness of the pulpit ai a means of con- version, and of saving men from a life of sin will be all on one w.^ c ^^ E°^^' ^^ ^^^ P"^^*' ^ ''^°"1<1 think rests with the Holy Spirit, being m the man who preaches, energizing him and purifying h,s heart, taking of the things of Christ," Tnd in thij^ helping him to preach. Take as a few exam .les Rev. D. J. Macdonnell, of Toronto, Dr. Joseph Parker, of the City Temple, London Rev J W. Dale Ll. D. of Birmingham, (names mentioned before) where will you find more "pulpit power than in these pulpits, and Where will you find more just or useful ministers of the Gospel than these ? They are not only a power m che pulpit, but they are a power out of it. and all around, as every true minister of Christ should be! Ihe power of animal fear cannot be the power of the pulpit 1 write with all seriousness when I say that the vehement and persistent preaching of hell torments has done more to weaken the pulpit, to alienate the people, and to prejudice thoughtful men (especially young men) against the Churches and against Christianity than anything else. The sooner these things are pondered by ministers and the Professors in our colleges the better. If they are not, they will find their students greatly m advance of them some day, if some of them are not already. men, as tonotdiscussinsfthespmatf*.r'= 'p «>oa^.,i„-» i^ Where, then, are we to discuss them ? There is not a religious 14 paper in ail this broad land that would admit a single letter on the subject we are writing about ! And there is scarcely a bookseller who will sell a book or pamphlet on the sul^'e^ct! ftll!«t i K '' ^^'* approachmg when it will be otherwise; at least I hope so. Does not the great love of God, our s^m Z/ ^''^?' ^"^*^' ^""^y gospel plan of salvation pre- rpnLTTi'' '"^'^'^°^^y ?trong and good to influence men to repent and come to Christ for salvation, without giving the motive of fear so large and unnatural a place as \o hfve it ?hf.f ""1 *1^°"i. ^^"y ^""^^y' ^' P^«f- Shaw says it is, at the church where he worships ? .ni'J! "^^.^^^"g ^" unauthorized limit to the glorious Gospel and degradmg to the mtellect and good sense of the hearers, thus to make so promment a doctrine that can only be of secondary importance, aq^ upon which there is such a wide Z^f'lw f °P^^^°" ^"\o"g equally good and learned men ? But this letter is already too long ; I must leave the paragraph tt'?o'r my iiext. '"' " '^^^' " ^"' ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^--^ ^^ pl 'f My last letter did not find its way lo your office; I suppose like some others, it was lost or mislaid at the Post Office With reference to the lectures of the two Professors on the foregoing subject, I suppose we may fairly presume that they brought forth their strongest arguments in favor of the traditional or orthodox side of the question ? As I intimated in my last letter that both lecturers fell into the mistake, in taking it for granted that the advocates of life m Christ were out and out annihilationists, therefore while they aimed at demolishing the latter, they left the former un- touched. So their " life " and '' death " arguments count for nothing. Prof. McLaren was opposed to the views held by those on the other side, because, as he said, they "did not agree with the record of Genesis." Well, let us see whether they do or not, because on this point hangs the whole question. Is man naturally immortal ? Was man created immortal or with " a never dying soul?'' There is only one safe rule in interpreting holy Scripture, and that IS that it should be so interpreted as to be in har- mony with itself; or that one part" should not contradict another. In Genesis (a book which we believe to be authentic history and not an allegory) chapter ii. v. 7, we read, " And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, a^d breathed in his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul." Now I ask your readers and the Professors also, whether they can fairly extract the idea of natural im- mortality from this passage ? It is quite evident, I think, that the idea sought to be conveyed is simply that a/^er man was formed of the dust of the ground," he became animated with life by the breath of his Creator— that is all. V. 9— There was " the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the garden." V. 16, 17—" And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree in the garden thou mayest freely eatj but of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shaltnot eat of it; for in the day that thotl eptf«<" the^rt^rtf thrill cViolf- .^.,-.^1.. J;_ » t_ --^ ii . ' "Spiri.ualS,''rd by pofeYtLCffierffllet:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ foundation and destroy the trade of those who deal Tn such perversions of the divine word ^" the Word of gS VlTlL 'LToS 't'hrin" ot"? s'S,:^e^rd'r?heiv^rrs'^ S*'^^^^^^^^ attention to this poin and ffSf College give special Ke/ S. Mmton, M. A. 19 IT in:c^/pt.ar?h'e^1;^;,L ^^^^ ^^nd how flimsy eternal misery of the^m.^' ^°' ^^^ ^°^trine of the untenable, thTtl accorS nTl ^^r' o ^ • ^^""^ ''' ""^^^X compelled in cons'cie'nce to"|v ^t^u^ 'TZT\'^^ T nothing else, I hope thev will hi A ^' ^ . ^^ '^'^^^''s ^o attention to the sub ect and of ^'^"' °^ "^"'"^ «°"^e things are so or no" ' ''"'^"''^ ^' *° "^'^^^^er these ; • I think I have in prt vious letters, produced decisive evid- a?e noMuslifi' d '''"'' i" '^'"^'^'^ " ''''' °"^ orthoZ friends Hi^ livi w f '^ '" '^'"^''•"S " "^"" '"^-^ ^" "Immortal being." H s liv.ns, far ever, or, m other words, his immortah'ty was eru.rely dependent upon h.s obedience, and that hfs dis obedience was followed by the infliction of the threa ened penalty death-the death of the whole man, body and sSu I also showed that this view of the penalty of Adam" trans- gression harmonies with all that is said on the subject both m the Old and Now Testament Scriptures. ' I will now glance at oi e or two other points, the first of which H, perhaps the one most commonly used o prove hat the punishment of the lost is everlasting misery. ItTs this I ha s,n being committed against an infinite%e L is an infini offence, and therefore requires infinite or eternal gooci ogic, and those who use it must be hard pressed for i good argument. I would not be quite so wickedTa cer^aiii theS!"' T^ ?'^ '' ^"^ ^""1^^^ " '"fi"*^^ nonsense/' Ind therefore called for no remarks or reply. Indeed we need not wonder at their resorting to such methods outsTde the covers of the Bible, when they find so little within t To sus- tain their position. Do those who so earnestly and persS- emly advocate and defend the tenet of everlS misery ever seriously think of its terrific and fearful import ? Do h7 '?'-^'"? f ^ ''y to comprehend, in ever so fahi a way wayTn whfch ttv' ''T ' 'Y ""^^^''"S '^"d half flfp^ way in ^yhlch they are frequently used in the pulpit would eem to indicate that a negative answer would be^the most suitable one to this question. You may try to think of thm, sands of millions of years, and millions y^ilHonsmoi^^^ then the end of the r sufferings would be no nearer rit'mml continue without mitigation or alleviation, coupled with utter yo f pX/Jhat^h r' '"P"^""^ ''''' ^"^ ^- everl Wan sta dEf? R u '^«,^^aggeration from the orthodox S^sa h '^tZ'^"- "^ '^' .Westminster Confession of ^air/i saith,— The puov. •j./s c. sm in ihe worlH fn oo«,l 1 r I i t V 1< tl a g 21 I are most grevious torments, in soul and 7/1/. rvithou* int^r nuss^onm hell fire for ever. * * * Shall he c^s^fnTo he To witSThe IwM '^. '-/-^a^/. tonnents. .otk of bod lufoul, with the devil and his angels forever." " Thev who hivinJ never heard the Gospel, know'not Jesus Christ! Ind iX vc not in him, cannot be saved, be they never so diligent to frame heir lives accorof ^'■'^s'on of Faith " is one of the standard Thl V J ' I^'-esbytenan colleges in this country !) All this dreadful torment is inflicted as a penalty for the bvThTetr' °' °"' '''''' '^"'"''^" ''f- A"^ fitted andwifhl>H ^•:f,^^^': ^"'•'•ounded with temptations to evil and with bttle within them naturally favorable to obedience or a virtuous life, so that comparatively few have moral nerve enough to master the temptations to which they ^re subject over the h^adsT^^ not frequently nreached a^d shook over the heads of the people who attend our churches I I incerely hope that our orthodox friends will g U up his Hor^n-^^'P'"^ "'^^^ "P°" Christ and the p^ower of the ^XeTfn rV-TVu '""'"^ "^^" ^^^"^ «'» -"d in bring! vh o 1 K ^ "?'. ^^^ ^"""'h is, the prominence given to what has been called " hell fire preaching," in past days has been one of the chief reasons why so many intelligent' and thoughtful people absent themselves from our^cEes The Z7^ VuT^?''''^'' "^^ of agnosticism may also in pai b. attributable to this ; indeed, there can be no doubt of bdievin.TL /,7 ^''" ^r" ^"^° *he other extreme of S ProfP«nr {u i P""'^hment at all. Notwithstanding Innll . u^^^"^ has said on this point, we are glad to tt uuofttrnf''''^''"™??"^^'^ S^^^" ^« this docfrine n the pulpit than formerly. This is doubtless giving preachers ^."Jr:!r_°_^ "'"^^^l power," and the hi^er Ic^trines of jrace and uieicy greater piouii'ncnce 22 Endless punishment strikes men as being so much out of all reasonable proportion to the offence that they cannot believe the doctrine to be true. But punishment that bears some just arid fair proportion to the offence, and which is announced with definite clearness in the word of God and from the pul- pit, they can understand and accept, hence the rapid spread of the doctrine of "Conditional Immortality " among Clergy- men and the churches in England within the last few years. " The human understanding recoils from the accepted, (ortho- dox) view as incredible and unjust."* WHY ACCEPTED, In the past, men have accepted the doctrine of endless tor- ment because they were religiously educated in it, and taught to believe that it was an essential part of the Christian religion. It has been taught by authority and accepted as true without enquiry, because of the learned source from whence it came. But now men enquire whether these things are so or not. They say, " We can see no good end to be served by punishing a sinner for ever ; it looks vindictive." As the infinitely kind and wise Creator is always actuated by benevolent motives, we can discover no such motive in His committing any of his creatures to endless and hopeless sorrow. It shocks our senseof justice and right, and is very discordant with what we know of his character. If the punishment had been in any sense remedial, so that even after a very long period there would be some hope that the end would come, then it would be more like Him 'whose mercy eiidureth forever." But what possible good can come of keeping a lost sinner in a dungeon for ever and ever? Conditional Immortality com- pletely removes this well founded objection, and announces a penalty commensurate with the offence and which is more compatible with our sense of justice, and also of what we know of the nature and character of God our Creator. But it is said that this view does not come up to the idea of the holy Scriptures with regard to the severity of the threat- ened punishment. To this I answer by asking: what do men regard as the greatest punishment for crime here? Is it not loss of life ? Recently a sufferer in London readily and cheerfully submitted to a very painful operation for just one harp rhnnrp nf cavinfr Viio ]\fo U^ V..,^ 1-,^.^ r.1,,,11 „. 1 „„.i _. ...^ li.vi ii\. iict,\i ilia oKUti v/pciicui aiivt a tumour cut from the surface of the brain* * Rev. Arthur Mursell, B. A. What could be 1 23 more critical or painful than that ? Yet he endured it with cheerful courage when there was only one poor chance of sav- ing his life. A culprit in one of our Penitentaries, who was condemned to be executed on a certain day, said he would cheerfully live m his lonely cell on bread and water, if they would only spare his life, especially if he could see his wife and children occa- sionally. " Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life." ^ Well the punishment meted out to the finally impenitent will be the loss of life, and this implies the loss of the blessed life m heaven. With regard to the time and manner of the punishment, we leave that with the " Judge of all the earth who will do right." '< Help is laid upon one who is mighty to save. ' He can save '• to the uttermost " all them that come to him, and such " he will in no wise cast out " And here we rest, and hope to end. THE CENTRAL FACT. The great leading fact of God's redemptive plan, was that through the Incarnation and Atonement of his Son Jesus Christ he might give life to the world,—" life and immortality" to the individual man. Note here the following sayings of Jesus and others on this point :— I am come that they may have///?, John x. lo. If any eat of this bread he shall live for ever, John vi 5 r Ye will not come to me that ye might have life, John v 40 If ye hve after the flesh ye shall die, Rom. viii, 13 The end of these things is death, Rom. vi, 21 " He that beheveth on me hath everlasting life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, John iii, 36. Narrow is the way that leadeth unto life, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, Matt, vii, 13. ^ The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life, Rom. VI, 23. He that doeth the will of God abideth for ever, John ii 27 This is the record that God hath given unto us, eternal life, and this life is in His Son, John v, n. Whosoever liveth and believeth on me, shall never die, John X, 26. •' SI If anian keep my word, he shall never see death, John viii, 24 Several of these sayings of Jesus, John and Paul have been given before, but they are so vital to the question at issue that they need to be repeated here. Take them, then, as they stand, in their plain common sense meaning, and what do we learn from them? Why, plainly that Christ came to give, " everlasting life," or immortality, only to those who believe in him and obey him. The unbelieving and disobedient, die^ perish, and are utterly destroyed, Acts iii, 23. " My mind fails to conceive a ii;rosser misrepresentation o^ language than when the five or six strongest words, which the Greek tongue pos- sesses, signifying destroy or destruction, are explained to- mean an everlasting but wretched existence. To translate black as white is nothing to this." * IMMORTALITY. The terms immortal and immortality are only used some four or five times in the Bible, and they are never applied to- man as indicating in any sense that he is naturally or neces- sarily immortal. On the contrary, it is distinctly stated that God only hath immortality, Tim. i, 17. Men are exhorted to seek for glory, honor, immortality and eternal life^ Rom. ii, 7, But why seek for that which they have already in possession ? It is then plain that " life and immortality " can only be obtained from Christ, when sought for. He is "the Way, the Truth and the Life." These facts agree entirely with the records in Genesis, so that Moses, Jesus, John and Paul are in perfect accord on this essential point. REWARDS. We fully believe that all men will be punished or " rewarded according to their works," as I have already affirmed, and we do not wish either to be misunderstood or misrepresented on this very solemn and important point. Christ died for all, and He invites all to come 10 Him and " live forever." There may be hope for millions more than we dream of in the infini- tude of God's mercy, and in the universal efficacy of the atone- ment of Christ. Who knows but that He has a thousand instrumentalities and agencies at work to snatch men as "brands from the burning," that we are ignorant of. He will not fail in accomplishing His e;reat and beneficent purposes of grace, and He is not in any sense dependent upon human * Dr. Weymouth, head master, Mill Hill School, England. 25 means in carrying out His designs of mercy and compassion to the children of men. For my own part, I would a thousand times sooner credit " the Larger Hope," with TENNYSON and FARRAR, than I would believe and accept the doctrine of endless misery. It is more humane and Christ-like, and more in consonance with what we see of God in nature and providence, all around us and everywhere. ^■ WHICH i With regard to the grand doctrine of " Life in Christ only," and an everlasting life of misery in hell, let any unbiased read- er take up the Bible and carefully note all that is said about the two different views. If he be really anxious to find the truth .'."d nothing but the truth, he will be surprised as I have been, to find how very much is said in favor of the former view, and how very little is said in favor of the latter. It hangs simply on a few isolated passages, while the former is found everywhere on the sacred page. The Bible is a new book to him who reads it in this new light, and much that was mysterious before will be plain and full of comfort. With me this subject has been a matter of careful study for many years, so that the conclusion I have come to has not been the result of excited haste, or in order to follow any popular feeling. I have read much and thought much on the subject, and have prayed to God for light that I might be saved from error and from misunderstanding and misinterpreting His holy word, which I revere and love, and prize more than all earthly trea- sures. In closing this series of letters, I beg to say that they have not been written in an acrimonious, unkind or unchristian spirit, nor for the sake of controversy, but, I hope, in the inter- ests of Christian truth and righteousness. I ask for a mor; tolerant and charitable spirit on the part of those who advocate the orthodox view, be they Professors, ministers, or private christians, for surely a man can hold the opposite view and still be a Christian. Let us have more brotherly toleration in in our churches and "not judge one another any more," but in " meekness of wisdom " commend ourselves to others in the fear of God. 1885. ENQUIRER. min/' Irl"' Tu^ '''^""''"'' '^^' ^'''''' irresistibly on my mmd-that which comes in the stupendous idea of eternity ! Rev. John Foster. imJrt7iTZ<-' • • • ^hat the soul is naturally immortal y (this) is contradicted by Scripture, which makes our immortality dependent on the will of the Giver. Rev. Richard Watson, (Wesleyan) Institutes Vol. 7, page 82-83. Our Saviour, Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and incorruption to light, through the Golpd 2nd Tim. I. 10. 1 * The doctrine of the immortahty of the soul, and the name, aire alike unknoM/'n to the entire Bible. OLSHAUSEN. No such doctrine as the immortality of the soul is revealed to us. ARCHBISHOP WHATELY. A