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 TO THE PUBLIC. 
 
 I deem it proper to state, for the information of those who are ignorant 
 of the circumstances which have called forth, this Reply, that a Camp- 
 meeting, in connection with the Methodist Episcopal Society, was held, a 
 short ti^ie ago, in Yokom's bush, about two miles from the vilhige of Wel- 
 land. 1 visited the Camp-ground during the progress of the meeting ; and 
 feoon after its close, wrote several letters" describing the scenes whicli I and 
 some of my friends had witnessed. The appearance of these letters in^ the 
 
 1 assumed for the time. The Rev, X Draper, a Minister of the Society, and 
 ■who took an active part at the meeting, in conjunction with other Minister 
 belonging to the body, came U in a very long letter in the same paper, 
 defending the Camp-meeting, and charging * Spectator' with having vilified 
 and opposed the work of the Holy Spirit. This Letter, as the title-page 
 indicates, is a reply to Mr. Draper. As the same paper which cqntained 
 his letter, gave notice that on the foUovjing_ week Spectator's review of 
 liis strictures would appear in pamphlet form, I was compelled to hurry 
 througli my task, which I am fully aware, in a literary point of view, will 
 not pass muster with critics. I had no time to revise or correct hardly a 
 single sentence, the sheets being written off-hand and sent immediately to 
 press. 
 
 As Mr. Draper has come out with the sanction of the body to which he 
 belongs, I feel now no reserve in saying that my remarks are intended to 
 apply exdxfsively to that body. 
 
 C. WALKER. 
 
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 THE CAMP-3IEETING. 
 
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 \ held, a 
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 iig ; and 
 ch I and 
 i'8 in the 
 ! Society, 
 -was the 
 he name 
 lety, and 
 Minister 
 [le paper, 
 g %4Uiied 
 title-page 
 iQptained 
 review of 
 to hurry 
 iew, will 
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 liately to 
 
 which he 
 ended to 
 
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 To the ^ev. J. DRAPER, Minuter (^ the Meihodid Ejihccrpal Church : 
 
 SIR,— 
 
 For weeks past, it has been whlsp«red round that % reply to " Spectator's " letters 
 on tbe C»mp-Tneeting, lately held in Yokom's bush, \fould appear, in due time, in the '■'■Peopltt 
 Frets'' These letters, ii would seem, have fallen like a bomb-shell in the midst of an enemy's 
 Camp, exciting both alarm and indignation. Frequent councils of war hare accordingly been 
 held, at which the best mode of defence and attack was freely discussed. After mature de- 
 liberation, it was determined to allot to you the honor of firing the first gun. How many 
 bands were employed in loading this formidable engine of destruction 1 do not '"^now ; suffice 
 it to say, almost crery species of destructive missile was crammed down its brazen throat, it 
 being your pious intention to annihilate a "godless •' *' Spectator'' at one blow. On Thursday 
 the 29ih ult., the public were on the " tiptoe of expectation ;"' every eye was directed towards 
 tbe doomed fort. J'recisely at 6 o'clock P. M. this mammoth gun was fired from the office 
 qf the *' People't Prese." Whether, however, from want of practice in the gunner, or from a 
 failure to obtain the proper range, I shall not undertake to determine, but on the smoke 
 clearing away, the enemy's flag was still seen floating defiantly from the ramparts, while the 
 breeze bore to the alarmed and excited spectators the laconic announcement — Nobody hurt! 
 
 You, and your friends, who assisted you, have taken four or five weeks to write a letter 
 five columns in length, to shew that all the fanaticism and extravagance witnessed at your 
 late camp-meeting r.re not only defensible, but justifiable, and to prove that Spectator is guilty 
 of " exaggeration, untruth, misrepresentation, and vile sarcasms against the unpretending 
 •itnplicity of babes in Christ." 
 
 As you have had ample time to choose your weapons, and to study the best mode of 
 attack and defence, the public will be justified in regarding this onset as the most formidable 
 you are capable of making. If, therefore, "this modern Uoliath," as you term "Spectator," 
 shall succeed, single-handed, iit routing the five heavy columns you have pushed into the 
 battle-field, any attempt, which j^ou may hereafter Wf.ke, to renew the fight, will be treated 
 ■with tbe ridicule it deserves. 
 
 You open by saying, ** we purpose to glance at what rre regard as vhe more prominent 
 features" of "the late strictures on the Camp-meeting," &c. You have " kept your word" 
 most sacredly, Mr. Draper, to the close of your very long letter. You have onh/ glanced at my 
 arguments. If you had looked ih^va steadily tn the face, they would have put you out of coun- 
 tenance, and pcihaps have prevented you from making snch a display of your ignorance in 
 the People's Press. But you proceed to say, " We welcome candid Christian criticism." I 
 don't believe a word of it, Mr. D. The only criticism which you and your friends would wel- 
 come, would be the criticism which endorses all the fanaticism aud extravagancies which 
 churacterizd your Camp-meeting. Your brethren, when spoken to on the subject, persist 
 in saying that "Spectator" had no business to say anything about the meeting. If asked 
 whether his statements are not true, the same childish reply is invariably given, — " He had 
 ao business to meddle," &c. 
 
 TI.O ITi^Ur^.. 
 
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 the 
 
 
 Guardian (Wesley a 5 
 
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 appeared in the People's Press, on the Camp-meeting, says, 
 
 a different kind, i'gt be seems to write with serimisnpsa and candor 
 
 in iCiciriiilj to tuS cuitOriiii Tvuich 
 
 " the remarks of the Editor are of 
 But vou, and tout 
 
iretbren, could only »f in tbe «ditorUl referred to, "exnggcratL.ns, iui*reprt«enitfttion», un- 
 trutlis,' kc; und K>mp of them, vtry scon »ft«r Itu p«bli« atio», TMshed In Uvt buste to the 
 cflicf to order their ijai.*>r to be »t<>M>eU. Jndt-etl, tliejr Imrc luantt'tstcd a sinrit of vindict- 
 ivenosi In the liiittlcr, utttrly at vuriaoce with their I' id profiwion* of Cbnstmn Jot* and 
 
 ' *'^You CO 00 *o say,—'' but wc dcJest a criticism mainly ccm|io«ed of exntrgeratioos, un- 
 truthi, niisrepreaentaiions and vile sarrasras oguijist the uni.r*t«»i»U"ig; •impliciiy of Ube» in 
 Christ, and although we speak by permission we must speak phiin'y." . 
 
 Thi« is a tery easy, conTeuicnt, and summary way, truly, of disposing of ob^tinata and 
 
 diiftgrecRl)l<? frttts!!! , . , , , ,l .. » » • 
 
 I have solewr.ly declared, under oath, ih At the statement.'! nude by me in the ^^ People » 
 Fust" ancnt your Camy-raeeting, are true. Yon assert thsU they are mainly composed of 
 exaggerations, untruths, '&c. Now, |f whnt you say be trus, thru I have sworn fuli^ely, and 
 hundreds more arc guillt of the most shamelle,*s lying; for hundreds, on reading my letteri, 
 have declared, and do declare, that the statements I have put before the puMi«', are as true 
 
 •• the Gospel. _ --.,•...,. i. 
 
 But what is my oath— what the testimony of five hnndrM credjhlo witnesses — when 
 weighed against the *iniple i/'s-; dUit of the He v. J. Draper, Minister of the Melhodi.«t Episco- 
 pal Church ?— a grain of Band n»ai'jst ft mountain I 
 
 I do not Icnow thfit I ever met uith a specimen t,t lying» so cool and Impudent a9 tbii. 
 Desperate diseases, however, require desperate remedies: you felt that yo« had a bad case in 
 hand, and that vouv only hope of relief lay in bold and shameless mendacity. 
 
 If, Mr. D., your cranium were subjcct»'d to r phrenological examination, yoit would be 
 found singularly defective in the regions of Caution and ('onscientiousness. So man with ft 
 grain of caution about him, would have %eutured to have made th9 statements you hart made 
 in your letter. You lay jourseK open to attack nt crery point. It requires neither learning; 
 nor ability to expose the "weakness of your arguments, and your total inability to reason tor- 
 rectly on any subject. I do not bhnne you for this inability, however: what God has nit 
 fiven, God does not require. What I do'blame you for, is your total want of moral honesty — 
 your glaring lack of conscientiousness. Unablft to reason down your opponent, you attempt to 
 lie him down. People, outside the circle of your adherents, nre astonished at yoitr audacity. 
 I met a person the other day, who had attended the Camp-meeting, and who was anxious to 
 see your letter. He asked me what yon had said. When I told him that yon had asserted 
 that my statements " wore maitdy composed of exaggerations and untruth.?.**—" Ob," he re- 
 plied, with a look of incredulity and astonishment, " he doesn't eay that, .surely ; how can 
 he? why, there are hundreds who saw and heard everything you have related." No, Mr. D., 
 you may continue to write letters until doomsday, but you w;.ll fail to convince one unbiassed 
 mind that I have made a single false statement. 
 
 You take very great care, in your pretended review of my letters, to avoid particulariiiog. 
 Tou don't tell your readers how many of my statements are false, and how many are true. H 
 would not have suited your pr.rpose to take up my arguments and statements in detail. Thii 
 course woulu have opened the eyes even of your own dupes. You have taken a shorter and 
 easier way— you lump them, label them " exaggerations, untruths, misrepresentations, sar- 
 casms," and then pitch them overboard ! 
 
 May I ask, Mr. D., what you mean by the "unpretending simplicity of babes in Christ T* 
 Do the shoutings, laughing, whistling, stamping with the feet, &c., at the Camp-meeting, con- 
 stitute this "unpretending simplicity?" Who are the babes you refer to? Do you include 
 yourself in this category ? If you doo't, I fear a great many people will be wicked taough to 
 do it for you. '," 
 
 You gravely tell your readerl— 
 
 «' We wish not to use word.<i of disrespect toward any, and yet it is JiflRcMlt, in coming in 
 " contact with utter disrespect itself, to treat it in a manner steadily respectful } to attempt it 
 " is like casting pearls before swine." 
 
 I sympathize with you, friend D., In the difficulty you feel in treating in a manner «» stea- 
 dily respectful" a person who has been guilty of the crimes, with which you charge "Specta- 
 tor." I feel a similar difficulty with regard to yourself. When I had read your five 
 columns of "symphonious confusion" a.id " babbling," I felt strongly tempted, in my repv to 
 follow Solomon's advice—" Answer a fool according to hii folly ;" aud you will excuse me j? 
 I occasionally do so. 
 
 In the next paragraph, you allow that Camp-meetings may be, and sometimes are, thfl 
 
 .^..ioai/^n ^f sa<.;/Mia •-.riln . *i>Mi* eli.ill ♦Vioir" vnn noV " nn fllia flprnnnt. h(> dlSCOntiuUed ? Il 
 
 10, then, by the same rele, political mass-meetings, fcc, must be given up."_ 
 
 If, Mr. D , religious meetings or political meetings become a public nnisfince, they oug^tt 
 
At ion*, un- 
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 I iovt and 
 
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 tinato and 
 
 • *^PeopU'» 
 tniposcd of 
 iili^ely, and 
 my letters, 
 ire as true 
 
 les — when 
 tot Eptsco- 
 
 int as tbis. 
 bad case in 
 
 1 would be 
 nan with a 
 
 hart made 
 er learning; 
 n'asoii tor- 
 ad h!\5 tk-)t 
 I honesty— 
 I attempt to 
 rr audacity. 
 
 anxious to 
 vl asserted 
 Ob," he re- 
 
 ; how can 
 No, Mr. D., 
 e unbiassed 
 
 iculariztD£. 
 re true. \% 
 etall. This 
 shorter and 
 ations, sar- 
 in Christ r» 
 eeting, con- 
 i'ou include 
 i eaough to 
 
 I coming in 
 3 attempt it 
 
 oner " stea- 
 ge "Specta- 
 l your five 
 my repl/ to 
 :xcuse me if 
 
 nee are, ihtt 
 itinued ? If 
 
 , thsy oug^tt 
 
 to be diflcouttnued. Wliy not? Political mictinjrfl,iihea tentliu}; to lli<>tiir^ Uu- i>iMU'. ptme 
 and sulivert the goverumtnt, hnvc luen |nU <l«wu in evt-ry «'ivilj/f.i r«niTitry in ihc unrkl. 
 And I am creiiibly intornit J, that a n'ligiuua a<;rit'ty, imt a lmnili>Ml imhi iVotn the Fall-' m' 
 Kiagari*, have itcen lutely tiotUicd by tht- l'o!i»«, that unless tlioir nioetinj^'s Mere co!i(liicte<i in 
 a wor* orderly wanner, they would b« vouipcUud by law to discontinue tbcm. i have kii()\\ u 
 person? taken before ia magistrate lor jireacliinjj iu the sliect.^, because by ioliectinjf crowds 
 of people in the pnblii; thgroughlUreji, but-Jwas was ubsUUcteJ, imd loot-pass viigerd subjected 
 to greut «nnoyau<e. 
 
 I give your next iiaragvajth entire. It is the richest Rpeeinien of uuiutelligil.le composi- 
 tion I iittve met with for a long time. It »3 mor*; «litlicvilt to understaud than the utterances 
 of the ancient oracles. It may have half u do/.en dilfereiit iiifaiiiiif.i;5, but tthich is llie one 
 
 {ou intended to put berorc your readers, I conleis, I aiu unttblvj to .say. Vou ought Mr. D., to 
 ave supplied a key to your meaning: 
 "Rut, while our Jsaviuur has set us nn example by teaching the )»eop!o on the Sabbath 
 "day, though opposeis as mcH as .'idbercnts attended, nad cvtu rui>;cd actu.nl disputes with 
 "himself, thus terluinly makinjf the nieerijig which be himself conducted, the occasion of 
 "their aggravating sin, we feel justified in doing likewise, epi)ecially while t;upported by the 
 "practice of the ev*ngejicu! churches In general, and of the Uaptist churchea in particular, in 
 ••their devout Attendance on what they c»teeu\ public Christian bajitisui by immersion, in the 
 " midst of the giddy throng, fvco though the rgvilLiii,' crowd profanely insult Clod and religion 
 " by soiling the crystal stream, to the anuoyance of the woJsliijjpers ; ov daringly profane the 
 •'ordinance hy the immersion of dogs, iu inocl; Imitatiou of wiiaLtb^y call hapsousing, uuok- 
 "ing, ice, just iu the .«ame spirit iu wliich u M'iiuisttav ii?i:(:r Kinn ' seems to have observed 
 "religious simplicity in the prayer weetings. If we iirc 'resi)0iisil)le to (Jod and the commu- 
 "nity' for the evil results of the camp-niceting, to whom shall those referred to render their 
 •'account? When wo are coudcuiued, how will they escape? Except they repent shall they 
 " not likewise j)erish '.' ' 
 
 If there be any urgumcnt in the above in favor of CiiiMp-meetings, he kind cnov-gh to put 
 it into inteUigiblfc Knglish, and I will reply to it. 
 
 Your iie.xt paragrapu ! also give cutire^ for tbe aatne reason. It is nearly as dark and 
 invo! ed as the other; 
 
 ♦'Oh what a pity that his sealhiug, withering rebuke against Sabbath desecration, and 
 "youthful demoralization, could not have fullea on the ears of the insi)irfcd I'aul and Barna- 
 " bajj when nearly the wboie city came together to hear the word of (.Jod : perhaps they would 
 "not then have grown bold in their Uisjiute with the Jewish Doctors and clhers Avho like a 
 "♦Si'KCTAToii' 'were filled with euvy when they saw the multitudes,' feeling no doubt as 
 "some have dons lately, the loss of their stereotype congregations in the renowned city." 
 
 You seem to think, however, that "some" have "lately" been "feeling" ''keenly" "the 
 loss of their ' stevectyi)e congregations.'" 
 
 I have heard, ^Ir. D., of small congrcgfttions and large congregations, rich congregations 
 and poor congregations, black congregations and white congregations, &c., but this is the 
 first time I have "made the acquaintance" of a " stereotype " congregation. What precise 
 information you wished to communicate to your readers by the above sentence I really don't 
 know. If you wished to say that some ministers in Welland or in the neighborhood, had latelv 
 lost their congregations, and were feeling keenly their loss, in the name of common sense 
 Vby didn't you say so? You always seem to wish to say something, but, are never able to 
 Sajr it. Your idea? struggle to come to the birth, but are never born. 
 
 As I have not heard that any minister in this placo has lost his congregation, I conclude 
 tbat the loss, at which you hint, has no existence but in your own disordered imagination. 
 The wish is fiithcr to the thought 1 When you next sit down, Mr. D., to write a letter thai i.s 
 intended for the public eye, please hare ft dictionary .it your elbow j the frcfiuent use of it 
 may prevent you from writing so muck " stereotype" nonsense. 
 
 You inform your reader*; that, it is your intention, and the intention of your brethren, iu 
 future to do "as they," viz: PhuI and jjarnabas "did." I am very glad to know this; be- 
 cause if you follow the example, which these eminently pious and devoted servtfnts of Christ 
 exhibited, while they lived ou earth, there will be no occasion for Spectator or anybody elpo 
 calling you to account for encouraging Sabbath desecration, noise, tumult and fanaticism at 
 your religious meetings. 
 
 Before, however, you finish your sentence, you charge "a Christiar.." i.e. "Spectator"' 
 with denouncing the very "principle" which "he practices every Sabbath day:" "namely 
 convening all that cau be got together for pnhlif. wurfliiu." Pray" Mr. D., be c'ond eno'r.-h '' 
 point out the sentence or paragraph in my letters in which I denounce this " principle."'"You 
 certainly manifest in a very strikii-g way "the unprctendiug simplicity of a babe," when you 
 
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 Voiir iif.xt jmrtgr.rph b so jimusiirj?, ami witlml su **lm« the int»w ^ thit wrote it, toat J 
 canQOt forbear givin;» it word for woni. Her* It b: . . , ,. . > « 1. -„-« 
 
 •• Wc woH<ler il Le >vo«W not bt wlHiost t€m|)tiMi to rpiritnal pride on •••count of Ijlf oirn 
 " nopul.'iritr, if he *'Otil«J comninrnl ?ivl> u» au'lwnce as ht f;tv*- the other d».v : even «h<)«U *• 
 «' be liime. and hicaitiuitdted for i»l>ysk'«l rvli^ious dcmoi: strut tons «eepl in tbe desk or tbtt 
 «*bai)tistrT, nietliinliii llicreat least he wouJd Icsplitioro A'fr^'» ... , u 
 
 How I'should feel if I conld every Sabbath d«y •• cornmaud Men «n auaieno* M I fttw tlkt 
 other day " At rour ^/Nxiop-mcttinB, i renUy cun t 3i«y. As l have not yet arrir««l «t " perfec- 
 tion,' and feel' duify sensible thai I am the suljevt tn Ijunma liififuntlcs, I tnt^ht feel flone 
 risings of '•spiriluul j»ride," on ecfin^ «««»* fivt; thousand expectant listeners ticfore hie, I 
 hardly think, Iiovrever, that, ev«u under thtse circumstances, I shoHhi leap like ''an hart" M 
 you very dclicatclv remark, my lameness "incapacitates tnc for physical religions demonstra- 
 tions;" while the fear of being roneidercd « lunatic would doubtiesi restrain ine ffOW piayiag 
 the fool ill the presence of so many spectators. , . - 
 
 A discerning pnblio, Mr. l*., will, without doubt, fully appreciate the weight or«rguinent 
 which this paragraph contains iu favor of y««r Camp-meeting, while ibey will not fail to See, 
 in every sentence yoa have written, traees «f that ChriKtiaii politeness and rcfintmeot, which 
 vour favorite iiistiHition secnii to have imparted to vonr heart and mind. 
 
 You say ; '' The iijercantile transactions hi eatable*, kc, on the Sabb»th, so f*r «S eoan- 
 •< tcnanced by the Church, I avowedly denounce, nnd ardently hope la tee Ihem at once and 
 "forever discontinued." 
 
 Will you oblige your reftder«, Mr. D., !>y informing them. teAen you began to denounce 
 the sale of tobacco, e'dit.lcp. &c., by vonr society o:: the Lord's day? Was it when the ar- 
 rangements wore being made by you- brethren to erect a refreshment stand on the Camp- 
 groiuid? or dvuing the progress of ttie meeling? or ofttr my Utters appeared in the Welland 
 Press f Answer, .Mr. I). Had yow anythiog to do in the making of these -irrangements? 
 Did your society discipline those '-brethren and sister?" who were guiltv, under the 
 raost aggravating circmnstances, of desecrating the Saubalh? Have these brethren and 
 sisters been brought to repentance? ll'Aew did you deal with the erring ones? You tell 
 your readers that it was wrong to sell edibles, &c., on the Sabbath day. Well, have you 
 followed the rule laid down in your book of Discipline, page 60, where the preacher ij en- 
 joined "to tell i'vcnj om under his care what he thinks wrong in Am eondust and temper: and 
 that lovingly and piainbt, as i<x>n an moy irf," Ah! Mr D., yott make a virtu«: of necessity. 
 But for my "letters, the publie would never lave heard of your "arowed denouncement" of 
 this species ef Sabbath-breaking by your society, You would bav« been us silent as tbc 
 grave on the subject. Sabbath desecration is evidently regarded by you * a very trifling 
 Bin, when compared with the enormous wickedness of uttering a word against cainp-raeeting$. 
 I would ask you and your brethren to read attentively, Neheraiah xili.: 15—18. I quote a 
 portion of it :— *' And I testified against thetu iv the c?ay wherein they sold victuals. Thera 
 dwelt men of Tyre also which brought fish and a'l nanner of ware and sold or. the Sabbath 
 unto the children of Judah, and in Jerusalem. Tben I tontendcd with the noblej of Judah, 
 and said unto them, What evil thing is this ye do and profane tbc Sabbath day? Did OOl 
 your fathers thus and did not our God bring all this evil upon US and upoo our city? y«t ye 
 bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning the Sabbath." 
 
 While meditating on the above, your impressions might be deepened, if you voold tum 
 to the 7 1st page of vour Book of Discipline, and leisurely read the following, which I quote 
 verbatim for the benefit of those who may not happen to have a copy :—" The world say«, 
 'The Methodists are no better than other people.* This is not true in the general; B»t *• 
 personal religion either toward God or man is too suPSRFiciAt, amonff us. * * * "^^ 
 little faith is there among us ! ffow little communion with Godf How little living \r\ heaven, 
 walking in eternity, deadness to ererv creature! How much love of the world! desire of 
 applause, of ease, of getting money ! IIo^v little brotherhj iove ! What continual judging one 
 another! What ffossijnnff, evil-speaking, tale-bearing! What wast or MOUAii honesty I to 
 instance only in one particular: TFAo docs as he would be done by in buying and selhngf 
 Famili/ religion is wanting iu many branches. * • • W« must, yea every travelling 
 preacher must tsstruct the people from bouse to hoase. Till this be done, and that in good 
 earnest, Methodists will be no better. Our religion is not tuffieiently deep, universal, uniform, 
 
 ' I hope,' Mr.'ll, you will not accnse me of garljllticr. I have given yoo almost the entire 
 paragraph, which I hare carefully copied from the Hook of Discipline of the " Methodist 
 
Vottr con« 
 
 »te it. that I 
 
 of lilt own 
 m flti<)ut4 bt 
 : desk or the 
 
 M I tnw the 
 At " ncrfcc- 
 ht f«ti tome 
 cfore me, I 
 n hArt.'* At 
 [ dvmonstrn- 
 from plajifig 
 
 of •rgument 
 •t fdit to see, 
 m«ot, which 
 
 fur as eoan> 
 at onc« and 
 
 to denounce 
 rhen the ar- 
 n the Camp- 
 , the Wetland 
 rangements? 
 -, unc)«r tb« 
 irelhren and 
 }? You teJI 
 It, tiave jou 
 i?acher ij en- 
 
 temper : AOd 
 of nec^ssitj. 
 ncemcnt" of 
 silent ns the 
 
 verjr trifling 
 ;3p*ioectingt. 
 I. I quote a 
 tuali. Thera 
 
 the Sabbath 
 ics of Jiidah, 
 y? Did not 
 city? yet ye 
 
 tt would turn 
 rhicb I quote 
 
 B world say», 
 
 ncral; But 1. 
 
 • » Hoir 
 
 ng it heaven, 
 •Id t desire of 
 1 judging ooe 
 HONKSTY ! to 
 and selling 9 
 \vy travelling 
 I that in good 
 trtal, wnt/orm, 
 
 tOst the entire 
 e "Meihodiat 
 
 E|4«copal Charrh." I fw«re faUn the liberty to iithritt a few word*, merely K» iuditi*t« 
 poiote on which your thonj^hie might frontftbTy |tMUse fur a moment. 
 
 <* We wonder," yoo Bay, " how P^litorj cr .Speo«»tor«, eo foil of xeal for the Lord, hap- 
 pened to be thus 80 long lounjflng among lounger*.'' 
 
 I have already, Mr. D., as you yourself confesj, jflTen ley rtniou* for rijitin;? the Camp- 
 grotind during tl.T progress of your meeting; bat «» tiiesc reason* ^lo not scfin to sati :»> 
 yoo, you will permit me to 9ta.lc at noino greater leoxfUt, ray tiew/i ..ad fcelinca rcsDcciinz 
 BWitings of this kind. •• » ^ » i ^ 
 
 During the laKt ten yc«r», I have Attended 9ever«l C&tnp.iiicetinj;s, at which I have seen 
 and beard things which led me to bflicve that, vhilc ipowd timy have been done at them, the/ 
 were, upon the whole, productirs of great and iscrioua Kv'rU, and that instead of promoting 
 the interestt of Christ's Kingdom, they tended rather to bring ciiscretUt on religion luid to 
 harden man in din. On this subject 1 hate frequently talked with old. staid aiui intelligent 
 persooi of almost every denomination, who in the co'Tr^e of tlitir iife had attended manv of 
 these mvetings and watched their effects on tl»e j«:ligiou!» cAjuUtiott .>f the pooplu generally. 
 Those tneOt whose roatwre years and experience gave weight tw thei* opinions, expressed to 
 IH<? their unqualified c»»riclJoo, (while tliry aUoned that tkey had known ciisoa where pcr- 
 «on» had been benrfited by .'»tt«uaing them,) that Camp-tneeliri:*, as generally conducted, 
 were sources of ni<ah:ulabhi evils. 
 
 Moreover, I obfierv«d that muny <»f tho^e persim*, who wrre «hicfly concerned in "getting 
 up" those meeting.^, and who exhi\)ite<!, dnriug tliclr >»rogri>sri tln^ gnatcst zeal and eiithu 
 
 ..ritiary, \\m\ a few of iliem were 
 >le to "lie Hud cheat *' when the 
 
 »eral ministers of this stamp, 
 revivals »jf religion. They 
 lie steam and set tlie engine 
 ei*t reputation as Kevivalists, 
 
 sinsm, were not ohvnys persona eminent fur pieC; 
 known to be very loose in their nuraJs. They rii" 
 chances of escaping tlettction seemed to ?(« in ih 
 
 Connected Ukth the body to wliich I belonc;. 
 who were noted <br the facility with which tliey c> 
 seemed able, whenever they pleased, to kindle tiio . 
 
 a-going. These men, however, who enjoved, for a st-;*. ,... ..,,.., ,.. ^,^ 
 
 brought disgrace upoa the cause of Christ and the i)eiion.,..atiof to which thcv belonged; 
 aitd were obliged to leave the country, doubtless for tl»v; »onutry\ good, Facts w'.ich cume 
 •subsequently to light .learjy proved that, while in the zenith ot rlitir popularity, ii.id adding 
 converts to their churches by fifties and by hundreds, they were Jiving iu sin. The great 
 majority of their converts, as might l>c t'Kpected, »oon weut back to the world again -not 
 iiowever, without inflicting imnicnsc injury oo the cause, ' ' 
 
 Facta like these staggered me, and led mc, whenever an opportunity ocetirred, to watch 
 narrowly the eftects produced on the community at large, i»y such revival efforts as those put 
 forth by your society at the hite Camp-meeting. 
 
 After jears of close observation and investigation, I um constrained to sav, what I have 
 already said in substance, in my letters,— that Oamp-meetings, especially when held in the 
 TH-;n»ty of towos and tiJUgcs, are the occasion, if not the cause, ot a v«st amount of 
 immorality. 
 
 But I »n> not alooe In my opinion: other minds Ij^vc been forced to the same conclusion. 
 ♦•Why," says « li'-ing writer, -do wc protest against Camp-meetings? Kecanse tl.\ev afl'ord 
 to the mixed multitude \vho attend them, »»nusual i\n>i most abundant advantages' for the 
 practice of wickedness in many of it's foulest forms. It ih %voil known that wliile tlie mass of 
 tb* steady, orderly, and iuHuential wen of the community, whi* give tone to .society, and 
 impart n Ijcalthfnl direction to the current of its manners and tustoms, take little or no 
 interest in such assemblages, seldom slteud them,Jind then fora terv short time— on the other 
 hand, persona of almost every shade of color and character arc' advertised, invited, and 
 capected to attend. It is? not n»eant that person.^ «»f this description should not have the 
 gospel preached to them. I'hat is not the question. » Is the camp-meeting tlie best mkthoii 
 of bringing them under the purifying influence of the gospel?" Prove this -and then the 
 more you can crowd together on the carap-ground the better. But is it tlie wisest wav to 
 make such men holy, to press them together for several davs in succession, and several nig'hts 
 too, where ' as iron sharpeneth iron,' and lire kindleth fire, and depravitv stimulates to sin' 
 io the^ aocial principle and the combined tsnergies of vice excite to emulation in deeds of 
 enornaoua wickeaness ? Is it the best way to bring together in dangerous combination for 
 loany days and nights, men and women in mixed multitude, where, it cannot be denied, creat 
 
 fttt^l »^r<>/.J J£>/ 
 
 "''i'tiij lit tuiiij ui JIJ, — __ 
 
 facilities are presented, to kindle nnbolv fires in the soul. 
 Tilest shapes? 
 
 "For let it be remerabered that these meetings are generaliv held in places remote 
 from the habitations of men, frequently at the foot of a raountain—alwavs in the woods ; 
 m«1 the night is the time of general leisure ftom trnrldlr aTocition.^- -tbo time. too. when 
 

 1lo(U (u ->uh V'"^!^'*^'^ '„' '^°;i /^^^^^^^^ „f »>v Wcvl^r .tu^ at»ier«}, .n<l besides the umligtt 
 
 :t";i:' JallcuS 1^,^^^^^^^^^^ -ch^r. by th«t «Ugioa Which forUid. 
 
 '^^'l?d;v;!e"'v"'.7l^'^^^^^^ profanation of tK Holy S«Mmlb. ..cca^Jonefl b^ tl.« mrt 
 
 dissip.t.on «»"••« S ^'^^T^f ,',,];* Vtnelv^ 'borUoo^ Jm'. or ,n«y 8«on bat« • eon- 
 
 thing, he duty in ah nd ^\^-^, \'> Jf/*,*^^ di.t.tncP. all n.a/rc^ei»e iostfttrtiott 
 
 !:;.r^:rt;;'wc^;:;rxs,:^^/sl^^^^ 
 
 blanc c to uie \\ 01 ks ui ^ . . .. f .he -.iove otvWctmo:* wouht lie removed." 
 
 ♦ ;m^ vnn t.ike vouf pen in hand, to state one or two instances In wlurli I nava eiiner loia 
 
 •^"''^A.ain Tou Bay, « We cnanot account, from any other fecUnj? on tU«Jr r«rt, th^ntlthjip 
 that of'cirn?!" ;:j iUuVtrated in .vile iush'mation, or d.e, Y^;;;!- t^?:"! ;:t^ro7ph5^ 
 by persistent' impcniten.e." This is * sad jumble Mr I>. f^"';^^.^™^!^'?^,!^^^^^^^ 
 dilphiu lawyers to know .h^t J'j'^^^f ^^>;niT;;VS ; the u i o'/rSj^cth; to .^escribe 
 ..envy" was ^^ ^I'^^^^l/^^'^l' ^^^^^ fur .in Restrained," *c., I 
 
 its qualities. IIoW cory can be Kusiraicu m ue , . , ,^. ,,„,,,i» -t nreachinc, re- 
 
 -i^tvsd tS^ i!rL-;^^:^:^r .:«t^:i^ wii^^wii;;^ .il. .r ^.. 
 
 ''''^ ^d-^ TEe g:SS;in^c;n,re,.tIun, in time of -vice wa^^^dtW 
 atteullon devout, botlfon Sabbr^tU and on week day, except on the part of a few who «temed 
 
 '""ninnrfceTryforin. to make nnr r.nnrk ^h tUi. '. other assertion." « yM«jejy 
 
 volnminLseiiisUe professes to be « defence of ^' shouting," "whistles," -le.p.ng." "bab- 
 biin-^" "confusion" and "disorder" ia religious meetings- . «» «i,„ Vi.H,rt.lWt 
 
 ""von nroceed to remark th?t '.Camp-meetings, b..th with «« and *«ch of tbe Melbodwt 
 bodies h/canada are endorsed and attended by those in the highest t«jj botb lay and 
 olor!cal and they have increased 20 per cent, in numbers iu ib^rty year.. To these fact. ^6 
 
 ^'^^^S :^^ tJSSJ^SS? bodie. in Canada endorse the scenes Jat hundred. witnes«d_ 
 
 «l vonr Ute Cimn-meetlng ? Hear the F.ditor of the ^' Christian Guardian (Wes eyan) 
 
 "^'Metiodi^rdoeTN^^^^^ NOR K.oocuxaio k:-.trvaoakck «^ ^^^ f ^^,;,;\.^^,f; ,? ^^J- 
 
 MeinoQumuu ^ovdvmks nvcrv thine visionary and unscriptural; it 
 
 ^xXTe "luc^io'i. I'd S ui abovethe MERE^v HPKcrLATivK and kmotional ; it .ov«« 
 Zer and FomiATiON in all reUffious services; and it soon cur» irrational kxces es in th* 
 n by theYnlu'enee and example of the many, and by the instruction .nd rules of .t, 
 
 '''''Tife"Editof of tlic (/....^an, who wrotr in entire ignoraaee of the fact, of the cnse, but 
 
uioil rjt- 
 
 ti AfTor4«i 
 I ruiiwlrcdt 
 that iii<l4«' 
 the iimUgn 
 iicb us trill 
 fi eiisily '6« 
 ir meetlngt 
 licb forbid! 
 
 ».<■ tl»« rwh 
 r'itit«nt And 
 
 iav« A con- 
 
 iosltciirtioa 
 
 Htiy «€n«e, 
 
 ijr ft t^^ieui- 
 
 ip'fiioctingt 
 
 tr»i« Cbris- 
 , and see If 
 £«(l Ah*b — 
 u scrutiny. 
 
 [gerAtion In 
 
 nnngii, Wtt 
 I either told 
 prepared 10 
 Dwn sensef. 
 iUxi(, ratber 
 surprised if 
 ! r«iid jonr 
 s A-Hoir to be- 
 
 , than t'tthvt 
 trained only 
 )re of PhiU- 
 thought thsf 
 e to describe 
 iucd," kc, I 
 eaciiing, re- 
 d for id«t«." 
 
 ood, and Ibe' 
 who seemed 
 
 M ♦«vn? **fy 
 
 >jiig," «*b»b- 
 
 hc Metbod'ist 
 both Ipy nnd 
 ics« fact! we 
 
 ;ds witnessed 
 
 ileyan)" 
 
 it' is tlic Utt- 
 
 IJRlPTURAIiJ it' 
 
 al; it liOvBfi 
 CE38KS in th* 
 . inlea of itn 
 
 the ci.se, t»ttt 
 
 1» 
 
 ♦m beckm, i,ii.i »>v„, to .li» ilLvd-s, ro U«(.-;.co.uim»> vi.h Dr. Ad.u.i < lurkf, >"» aouimi.j 
 
 ^J'T,: «"-^zv';v:,;is„..,«. i. „.,.,.,,; ... ,.^«.... •*,.■„,- -'-„■»•>,»;';•;>>■:-■; 
 
 t wSlI I...H..V.. it Mr If wtu'ii vou ».rudu»;u ' olliriuT >'/•'.«;/•. \ou9efni Id In- totft h ignuram 
 l(^ > ":/^,^«.«in.:;iou;^!Jl -s..rt n .l<,.f.l,;. I .nust prove, it ; .or U"^' l^-J--;;^ 
 iMn Live no rlaim to »..M.pt1on. U I obsti..;a,Hy nf.M. proof I •^'';^: l"^'' ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
 fonndation. nnd a SinivJ^^ denial of U is snfV^K-nt ^0 man .hm he raU.d \" ' ' 7',;*;* J^, 
 Ij.irl. illooe- uo Droof What U .lunnw/Uw Xhv rvtiitation of }^roo/ . An^l Mlsnt has no 
 «io nt drtu. e tT^^^^^^^^ MarK learn 'mm. inMunlly di^'o.t thi. v»t«able ral.. Mr. U.; 
 ^'i7L . to U n « M drfencc of Cann.-'nL.otin-s, mny h. of {xrent service to you. 
 
 *rlv \ . in ormol ''^^^^^^^^ "«v "that the nan Who put hi. head into the womun's lap waB 
 «,.^^:.Z^tZlir'^hT^..L.^ 1 ".«Xe in iny letter i« us follows: "O'.ep.rson^ 
 :o;A Vnt o •mow.red wit!, sleep, I'ut hi. head in the lap of « irun.an to whom ^^^^J^ 
 S r-" n.j'^'-'.- i >M-JJ t« Inform you, Mr. !»., th.t n.c wif« «t lh« p- . !<> ; »^- ^^^^ 
 Ji,ti;'t\ufLi tho Cami>^,nMmy at' f j Moreover, ^vlK■,l tW« of v.h ..rU. ren-.co.^^orkera 
 
 Mitl» TOU 
 
 
 r ■^^"mr.'ISIor^d laiglaTS;: toHv« « .«. gn«. .«,.»« from l.in>-l„.v„ «. a,„ 
 ft.m,.lV l.]'!. «' "r^th-rr K.-ner„l „. Il« f.».|».«otinK. T .m gLd, tU«t, .Lough mi»t..k«. «- 
 
 »l» ul'ira ivlipre jlip iimM "o. Ali« a litllf [.nrlfyms, .hiring whi.li <«t i ■' ■™f " "r"""' 
 t^-.lc iV. 1 "u uj" r li?,-, the tl,r«- M-alkr. I o,t of .1.. ..i.t. T .r pirl ovirtiMi ly di.1 nol 
 
 • IWs Mr. I)., 0D„tt„Uict this stnloim-ii. ? No* » >v -rt "' '^v"" J,'' 'ij, " <.u challVnt. 
 tbiit »«t of those voimB mf" '•"«. " »" projiw guanliaii lot Ihe time. Yet j»u challente 
 
 '''°1%..r.'"l1o°U' on,n.'l™'» that a ren...te ftie..! of »!.. «!.<. T'-t .n ...ire right .m i 
 
 Jrfeetlv iuMitlbd in u^ino- the phrase ' questional)le udentions' m relating the aOair i gave 
 G " pir onnforn::vti<J;, wh^h I havJ ^vithheld ft.m tlie p,jhlie ^ )u th. ;- h;^^" 
 to tins indivi^nal to ascertain whether the matter «s Slatrrt by 'f J'^ " >^:'. ^ ^J '' '^^^^^^^^ 
 Xo .'r. on lexrnin-' hi^ name, he concluded not to V"""« ^"^ investigations rtirtlu in t mi 
 Ainlim I are re on o )>diev., Mr. D., that ponhin^^U abnut tUs of.^v. yonrT.enc. 
 K wholalTed vU me, donbrtes.s told yon f/i«^f>--\,^f ;\fi'^''™- '^'^^ "^ ""''^ 
 fahicct. Tue above st.^tement is merely.inten.le.l to tioodwink the public. | 
 
 Tho m>it niiracranh is both di''niticant and threalcninp; • •> ,-u i u 1 1 
 
 MV^ Save if.h'to encourao^ .in, not eVen in •» ^n-istian ;' 1-- -- -JJ/^^f,^ ^^ '^ 
 both W brought to k-al justice, yet M-e hope tUc persons anonyraously scandah/.ed in th« 
 Strictuus will forbear lethal prosecution, at le»st for the present. 
 
 Vour meaning will be more apparent to your readers it ^^^J^f^^^^^,, Zl 
 
 have no wish to encourage sin, I'ot even in 
 
 a ' C'.irrstian.'' Per.-'ons guilty of kwdnc.^f nnd 
 
 deTn;;;;i;7;v"crhrir;cTeV^night"'to bo brought to jns^^^^ 
 
 Pr..,,' has defamed certain parties who attended our r amp-meeting f«^jj;^7;fj7^f;^" 
 he nro«ectited As I am, however, a christian man, and do not des're to retnri evil tor «vu 
 Vl-Ht l-fn ;'; ndvlVtbo! parties whom he has slandered not to proceed agaiust h.m, at least 
 Aw the nrr.«;ent Perhaps he mav rfctPact, apologise, or be silent lu miure.' 
 
 - Th^s fs r^^^^^^^^^^ wnnt^id to' say, Mr. D. Well, sir, here ^^ J^^ ^^^^ ^H^ 
 
 «.overt threat -i/- aTrlh, vh^he^>^c(,lhd vpon. to go into -^y Court c^J JuHx.^ m Cnrmda 
 
 Jj tkt€aii^-mmi4, ?«'«'y hcM in Yolcom'e imh ; and,*/ necmary, mth HS O UUNDKhU 
 
1«» 
 
 ni(ne$Kts 0/ ing hack.' Du juii uisJerstitut), >Ir, U.? Meanwhile, be govfi enuujrh to tKU;faQr 
 readers t,ht names and plac^ of rmdencf of the persons shindered bjf ^JSpectator/ Till tbii U 
 4one, the public will rcmwia iu the dark as to their identity I ! ! 
 
 In your next paragraph, you carry the war into the enemy'» camp, after this fashion:— 
 
 " We are glad that Mr. 'Spectator' detests 'vulgarity, lewdness and obscenity;' in this wt 
 
 join him, yet we grarcly wonder if he has not, us ' a Christian,' witapssod some scenf* of 
 
 Christian female immersion, as sliocking to r«ai modesty fl8 to behold, one lying with garments 
 
 ■well adjusted in the tabernacle.'' ,■-,)• ■ • 
 
 1 shall have to translate you again, Mr. t). What you wished to say !s tbi«; "We woq- 
 der that a '.Spectator' who has witnessed cases o\'fmale immersion, ehocking to retil modesty, 
 Ahould r,efer to the apectucle seen in our Tabernacle on the Camp-grouud, of femalea ivipjg on 
 itbe straw, in the midst of a promiscuous crowd." 
 
 ;.ll Why, mince the matter, Mr. D.? Yvere you apprehensive that yoa migb* " rais* a breeze" 
 among the Baptists? or that they would ru,':h to the office of tiic People's Prcs-t to have their 
 faper stopped? Your fearj were groundless. The Baptists hare hud a good hearty laugh, 
 at your expense, over your 'bapsousing,' 'ducking' of dogs, &c. Some of your'cle.'ical 
 brethren are not so mealy-mouthed when speaking of immcsion. It is not long ago sinco 
 one of them on returning from the lake, where he had administered the ordinance,\vas asked 
 by a friend whether he had not been immersing. *' yes," he replied, "and a dirty job it is." 
 Without any qualms of conscience, and ra,ther than lose a conv.n, they will perform thi« 
 * dirty job' with all due solemnity, (?) in the name of the Triune God. *It U not at all an 
 uncommon circumstance, to hear some of the less fastidious ones, expatiating, with gre*! 
 gusto on the posture of the body in the water, the adherin^^ of the wet clothes to the skin, 
 ^c., and perhaps immediately after, stepping from the pulpit to the water to enact the '-dirty'* 
 farce! ! ! There is no accounting for tastes, 3Ir. i)., even among professing Christians. 
 
 , c:. ., .... V. .w ......V,., * appre 
 
 Mme'thrust, or, as logicians call it, an applicaCion of the aryumentum ad homimm.[\) You are ft 
 very unskilful swordsman, Mr. D., and are more likely-, in the use of this weapon, to damage 
 yourself than your adve sarj. I would, thcreforo, seriously advise you, before making an- 
 other exhibition of your powers offence and thrust,' to trtke a fev^ lessons in private. 
 
 It is generally supposed, among persons who make any pretentions to good-breedine, 
 that the privacy of a man's own house sho^ild protect him from the impertinence of eaves- 
 droppers. (The term eares-dropper, Mr. D.. is applied to one 'who stands uijder the eaves, 
 ornear the window of a house, to listen and hear what is said within doors, whether from 
 curiosity, or for the purpose of tattling and niakirg mischief.") It appears, however, that in 
 order to obtain arguments in defence of your ' favorite institution; you even condescend to 
 become an caves-dro^ per. 
 
 , . Two social tea-meetings were lately held in this village, one in my house, and one \m 
 the bouse of a friend, a short time after. To inform the public w.hat was said and done at 
 these tea,-meetings, you write a paragraph nearly h(f.lf a column in length. As eaves-droppers, 
 generally, never report very correctly or truthfully, it is not surprising that a few errors 
 should have crept into your account. You say—" and if it should happen at any cuch service, 
 that the,house should !?e too small, and the fair youth should retire to the hotel, take supper 
 and hare a dance." Only three mistakes, Mr. D.,,in this sm^U .portion of one sentence III 
 1. The 'fair youth ' took their supper in the friend's house, where they ht).d met. 2. The house 
 to which a few of them adjour.ned afterwards, is noi a 'Hotel, but a private boarding housa, 
 kept by a respectable lady. 'S. There w is no dancing on ^\i% oQC&%ion\\\ 
 ■ f _ I believe that some of the ' fair youth ' who were present, are :'kelv to send you a card 
 of invitation to attend the next tea-meeting held with a private far'iJy in t.ie village, iu order 
 to prevent the necessity of your eaves-dropping, either in person or by proxy. 
 _ ' I hope that your readers will re-peruse your report on the tea meetings. They will see 
 in that report a striking illustration of the old adage : ' JDrowniny men cqtch at straws ! ' 
 . > lou say, "we are not careful to a,ns\ver them in all their se/eral 'babbiings' "■ As 
 there appears to be more • babblers ' than ' Spectator,' be good enough to inform the public 
 who they are. Do you include in the number, Dr. Adam Clarke, the Editor of the Christian 
 vuaraia?!, and the public generally ? 
 
 You say : " that no one man, though he shpuld ge even a ipipister (unless he be a Pope), 
 bttKflBycv.l or moral right tn dictate to the consciences of all others ; or stereotype the 
 ceremonials ot religion for the guidance of those who h-old au open Bible in their hands as ' a 
 Lftmp to their feet and a light to their paths.' " 
 rV.\'^rien<i'^..>I h?artiiy endovFi the abore uoble seDtimcnt— the Bible the SOLE r >■ of 
 
k to tt'U ;fOQr 
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 retil modes!/, 
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 lis* & brecxo" 
 to have their 
 hearty laugh, 
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 oritj of your 
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 [er the eaves, 
 vhether from 
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 and done at 
 k'es-droppers, 
 a few errorn 
 cuch service, 
 take supper, 
 sentence!!! 
 2. The house 
 rding house, 
 
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 age, in order 
 
 hey will see 
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 lings', ". As 
 m the public 
 the Christian 
 
 5 be a Pope), 
 ercotype the 
 hands us ' a 
 
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 of 
 
 Fnltb nud Practice! NVJ l»Op#, BJsho?., I»ties»t, Hfiftist«r. or C'oi.ft-rfnv e, " linrt any morM njM 
 to diotat<* to tlie ronsmiioes «f aH others, or stereotyp<v the ecremonial'i of rehgiou I Vov 
 o««?e, TOtt speak like a sfnsildi^, enlightened Chtistian man. On this platform w* are on k. 
 What \ pity, Mr. P., that this t'liristian, God-honoring, Christ-exalting sentiment, should 
 mean just nothin>, in vonr mouth ! Your practice belies your profession,— your boast of irec- 
 dom and independence is as empty as the air. You talk like a man who should launt of hiH 
 liberty, while the clank of his chains tells you but too plainly that he is a slave. 
 
 Hpte vow ever read the ' Book of Discipline of the Methodist Episcopal Church . As ft 
 Minister of that Cniurch, vow are bound to read it ami obey its dictates. _ 
 
 Yo« are. I believe, a travelling preacher * in full connection/ Wbett you were reC«)yf& 
 Ut the Conference, the following <iuestious, among others, were jvjt to yon: (See Book or y**" 
 ripiine page 81)" Do vou knav the rules of the .Society 7 Do you keep them •' lUve y<i>u rtiM 
 the form of Dj'sciPUKfi f •' To nil of which questions you doubtless answered n the atfirmativt". 
 Yftur Hcok of Discipline, which you, as a Minister of the M. i:. Church, are bound to obey 
 prescribes rules for the regulation of the 'cf'femonials of religion ;' which rules you are boutd 
 to ob'^erTC, Who mo.de tliese rules? who dictatcMl in this matter? was it one ma'rt? or fifty.' 
 And does it alter the case, in the matter of dictation,' that Hfty laen, >nstead of one, «x*WJ>»« 
 
 authority ov*r yon? ,. ' «, «. » «• t .k,.. L.» 
 
 Do yoti remember tbat at vour ordination. ONK man^not a Pope, but a Bishop— pm 
 
 thb question to you (page li)'J of the I)iscipline) : *' ^^'^'1 y*^" f ";^'^;;^7,';'^ vnr'.?'.Tii 5 
 Jlf,rt,;s4s, «nto whom is committed the charge and GOVERNMENT OVER YOL I! ! follow- 
 ing vvitb a r)fad mind and will their godU adrnonilii^m, SUBMITTING ymmehfa to their godly 
 judgmentTI!" To all of which (juestioua jrou solemnly replied, "I wrut eo do, the Lord 
 
 being my belper."!' . , '. »t .« nn * j 
 
 U is really amilsinff. Mr. D., io hear ^ou talk in such ft lof^y style abottt the < GonsollQated 
 Statutes of Heaven,' 'that no one than has any moral right to dictate,' Ac. You -wlOmiilT 
 pledged yourself REVERENTLY TO OBEY your tarEF Ki.nistebs, who have thfl CHAilWh 
 AND GOVERNMENT OVER YOU! !f „ • , u * -. *u^ 
 
 If the strictiri-es of ' Spectator ' ott yottf late rarap-tneeting be 'dictation, what \i tbe 
 
 in reference tf» » remark made in my letter, that 1 did not observe that any of the 
 t»-eachers .-tt theCamp-meeting ever attempted to check the extravagancies, &d., yoti sw, 
 « We have nd w'ish to countenance" 'imprudence' or ' fahaticism,' " yet we do not think' it 
 i^ould mend the matter any for the ministers to offend unlearned and hasty persons by publ>i« 
 I^proof when akind private suggestion would correct the evil just as well'; except that *A 
 Spectator' would not know whether the rebuke was becoming or otherwise. Piibllc reproor 
 Biic'ht seem just as rash and disgusting to some, as those extravagancies did to 'A Spectator. 
 
 ^ The reason then, which you assign for not administering reproof in public, or atteraptinf? 
 to check the ' imprudence and fanaticism ' exhibited at your late meeting, is that yourpeeple 
 Ar«^* UNLEARNED AND HASTY.' I believc it, Mr. D., for my strictures on the Carap-rbee'.ing, 
 Itemed to produce the same effect upon them, as a live coal when thrown into a batr^l tf 
 
 ^""^It'Ivas'a little too bad of yon, however, to p-iblish to the world, through the columtl* 
 of a newspaper, the fact that your people are • unlearned and hasty:' I doubt much Whether 
 they will thank you for the compliment. I fear its effects upon them will even be worse 
 than that of a public rebuke'given at a Camp-taeeting. ' ■ j i.,v*4i 
 
 Well, as 'you are excusable, under the circumstartces, for nGt having admmistered * little 
 thihlic reproof, did vou attempt 'to correct the evil' by 'a kind private suggestion?' Did 
 you quietly and kindly suggest to the brother, who delivered himself of the ' irreverent mWt; 
 to which 'l listened, and to which I refer in my letters, that it would be more profitable 
 to' preaehiChrist to the poor sinners, than to amuse them by relating a string of 'vtl^ar 
 anecdotes?'' Did you very quietly Suggest t^ the person who clapped hia hands, shollt^ 
 tend leaped,' and toMtlie people that he had < got religion in liis legs,' that dtich ' rdi^ioui 
 physical demonstrations,' were rather fanatical? Did you whisper a word bf reproof mtfte 
 ear of the preacher who called for a ' cheer for Jesus Christ ' ? Did you kindly, and ifti the 
 most private manner possible, tell the sisters who were lying on the straw in the Taberna*^* 
 in the midst of a promiscuous crowd, at the dead hour of nig;ht. tliat they would be_^b«tt«i» #t 
 home in their beds ? Did you, without being observed, steal over to the Society s Stand, on 
 the Sabbath day, and while the buyers and sellers, and money changer^ were bnsy a* -bees, 
 %all their attention to the fact, that they were violating the laws 'of G6d fenM mflia;' *ftd 
 tramnlin" undor font the mles of their Society ? Had you anything to say to the cto*fd$'of 
 idle, kughing, gossining ' spectators,' who were walking about the camp-ground, and awarm- 
 ing in every avenue that led to it? Did you deliver anything by way of quiet warninf 
 or refrdof to the Rumsellers, irho erected their shanties in th* vicinity of the Camp-frouad, 
 
m 
 
 and who plied tbetr vmation in»u lu^niu^cr <u iii.Ctht. .in«l frnm nipiit to moiitiuf/ .', lie gfocnl 
 
 gnough. Mr. D., to answer these qui-ilious^ jji your next l.Htcr in licfc-nfu ot'<Jiiniv»-taeetinj/'*.> 
 
 " WitU real religious extravaguncc or vanity iu ministers or others," j-on aay." we Uavv ho 
 sympathy." . • 
 
 VV^Imt, constitutes ' real religious extravagance,' Mr. iX? Ac'Cordin;j to my ideas— and the 
 ideas of hundreds who attended your ' grea,t gatlierinf^' in Yokom's hush-n-a vast umouut pt 
 'religious extravagance' Avas «xhil)it(.'d at your prayer and conference meetings. IJut yoii 
 >\rijte a letter, five mortal columns in length, to prove that what I. and hundreds helieved tu 
 be superstition and fanaticism, was tim work of the Holy Spirit! Vou seem in luve with 
 'coiifusion and dirforder,' .Mr. 1>. " Would (lod," you piously exclaim, '• tvo had more just an 
 disorderly prayer meetings." IJoes not this fully justify a statement made on the subject ill 
 one of luy letters? — "the great majority of those who profess to get religion at Camp- 
 meetings, are persons who love to bo in the midst of a whirlwind of religious excitement, 
 and to whom a prayer or a, sermon delivered without sound and f^iry, is a, very heavtkgs 
 affair." 
 
 • v! I In further corroboration of the statement that j-on consider 'dlrordcr nnd confusion' as 
 essential elements in a genuine Avork oi' grace, you add:—" It is the will of God that we be 
 eidier cold or hot, ami the lukewarm he will spew out of his mouth, even though they 'pk«» 
 i'KSS TO HE cHKi.STiANS.' " In your estimation, a person who docs not 'shout,' 'clajp Iiig 
 hands,' ' stamp with his feet,' and «xhibit other ' religious physical demonstrations," at your 
 religious meetings, is no Christian, or at least a lukewarm one, Avhoai the Lord is ready t« 
 Spew out of his mouth. I most deeply regret that you and many other ministers belonginjf 
 to your society, have by your example and teaching, indoctrinated so many of your people 
 with views so nnscriptural and fanatical. They are taught to beliere that those who canno* 
 join them in their 'religious extravagances,' have got no religion, And it is no UHConmion 
 thing to hear them say of persons belonging to other Deifominations, whose evcry-day 'walk 
 and conversation' is far more Christian and consistent than their own : "they have got no 
 more religion about them than a stick." I have known, not n few of them, tiesert a prayp'r 
 meeting held in their own neighborhood, because the prayers ■vvcic m)^ oU'ered up ^vith ' gre.tt 
 sound and fury.' Indeed, the religious life of such persons depends entirely upon excitemen^i 
 JP there is no religious excitement going on ip their neighborhood-— no camp or protracted 
 i»/eetiugs — tUey become cold, careless and indifferent. I know, individuals who are in the 
 habit of attending all meetii.gs of this kind, when held at an easy distance from, their homes, 
 and of taking a very active part at tlieni, shouting the loudest and praying the oftcnest, who 
 as soon ft? the straw fire, which ' heated them up,' has expired, return to their folly, like dog 
 to his vomit, <tc. The influence exerted on a community by the daily consistent Christian 
 walk and conversation of one modest and unassuming (Christian, though like the dew that 
 falls in the night, unseen and unheard, will do more to promote true religion, cind to bring 
 sinners to Christ, than a world of sucii noisy and inconsistent professors. 
 
 After informing your readers tlmt 'Spectator' seems to be. exceedingly disgusted with 
 f TQ^eniejnt gesticulation, and physical demonstrations,' you add : " he evidently must havit 
 dbscended, in regular Levitical succession, from the sanctimonious Tharisees and Doctora ©f 
 |h6Law,^'i&c. 
 
 ' . TUere ia an attempt at wit and sarcasm in this paragraph ; bnt it is like the attempt of* 
 4i^i\d, to thrust with the spear of Goliath of Gath. You handle your weapou so clumsily, that 
 a fly would be in no danger of receiving injury at your hands. Besides, your reference to 
 the Ph.Trisees for an illustration of ' Spec tator's ' character is exceedingly unfortunate. The 
 Phiarisees, Mr. D., were a class of men, who aflfected to be holier than others. They loved to 
 parade their religion before the multitude. I^ence tiicy prayed at the corner of stre^ds, whor« 
 the larjest crowds might see and hear them. They were exceedingly zealous, too, and would 
 coijnpass sea and land to make one proselyte. Had they live<l iu our times, Camp-meeting# 
 yoiUd have been with ' them a favorite institution,' inasmuch as they would have afforded 
 the;m ample opportunities to exhibit their proselytizing tendencies, as well as their love ff.# 
 physical religious demonstrations. "\Vo may be certain that their prayers would have beea 
 ;the i<^ngest and loudest of any. I am strongly inclined to the belief that the race is nqt yet 
 •^tinct, and that they may now, occasioually, at leajt, be seen and heard at meetings of thi0 
 ri«lcription. 
 
 no I Itopc it i.s not unl.'uvful, Mr. D., to fight an adversary with his own weapons ! ,, ; 
 
 .-,«>'' I give the Hoxt paragraph entire: it is, beyond controversy, the best specimen of 'prose 
 t>%^ ip^d,' I ever met with:— "The King of Zion, as he was in the midst of the .lerpalecp 
 scTiTa?, "iivii it was aboiint'ling with .pliysicril uOiriOusti';itior»o, vehcmccit gcsllcululiuus, Jitid 
 ovei^ destrnction of property, and echoing with (to many velvet ears) the fearfully discordant 
 ■ympUonies, not of IMlrhiJah^ IJnUclujah ! ' but of Hosanna, Hosaxni. in the JUght'Kt .' sonnd- 
 ipg not onlj from the , stentorian lungs of full grown fanalicai diiciplcs, but also from .th» 
 
ujf .', IK< gao«l 
 
 «^>-!neetinj/-*, 
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 u»t iimo'uit pf 
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 ds l)4'Heve(i tu 
 1 in htve with 
 1 more just a<» 
 tlie subject in 
 ion «t Cauip- 
 HS excitement, 
 verjr hert»-tk»s 
 
 confusion' as 
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 )ut,' 'clap liifi 
 tions," Hi yoor 
 rd is ready t» 
 :ei'S belongingf 
 >t' your people 
 St wlio cannot 
 
 no uiicoiumon 
 cry -day ' w»lk 
 >• liave got m» 
 Icsert a jiraypr 
 op with ' groat 
 on exciteiuenl^ 
 
 or protracte*! 
 1)0 ar-e in the 
 n, their homf«, 
 ! of ten est, wl)o 
 
 folly, like dog 
 itent Christian 
 e the dew that 
 [, isnd to bring 
 
 ilisgusted with 
 itly must havit 
 md Doctqri of 
 
 to attempt of ft 
 clumsily, th»t 
 ur reference to 
 >rtiinate. The 
 They lovod to 
 ' stre«fts, whor« 
 ;oo, and would 
 lamp-meetings 
 have alibrdcd 
 their love fr.f 
 uld have beea 
 'ace is nqt yet 
 eetings of thi# 
 
 )ns ! , . 
 
 men of ' pro3« 
 the Jerpalen^ 
 C'UluliuUS, and 
 illy discordant 
 'itfhrft 1 sound- 
 also from thf 
 
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 <-/»Wrf.>»., crviug \i\ 111'.' Tti«t»l«' iud *.jk«Uj; 7/« «i/i;*a »o *U* >uu oi l»a%;.i, p.".!iftj.i ju-t m^ 
 javt'ullT a-i'thev shouted 'filortf. tHoiy,' at the l.'anip-mfetini^." 
 
 Here we liave n perfect hurricane of ' physical demonstrution.x.' • vpTiement gesticulation, 
 ■'lUscordant symphonies,' ' velvet ears,' ' stentiuiun lungs.' • Hallelujah ' and • Hosannns ' ! ! ! 
 
 Shade of Lindluy Murray! how this man in his • reTlval' niadncxf^ tranif^les on all the 
 Wt3 of Syntax! Hero com'uiou sense, scripture, and grammar, arc equally outraged 1 No 
 aoubt, Mr. D., you thought, that, before such a shower of grape, canister, and round shot, no 
 inortsfl man could stand— it must sweep everything before it. Let us ice : Vou have disco- 
 vered what no sane reader of the New Testament ever discovered before. — a revival of reli- 
 gion among the sUoming multitude that •ccompauied the Uedeemer ia hi?- triumphal entrance 
 
 into Jerusalem. 
 
 What U u revival of r«ligion, Mr. D.? Aceordlns to the popular «iF* of the phrase, there 
 is » revival of religion when, in any place, tho spirit ofOod is poureil out. and there is a 
 general awakening of men's minds to the concerns of religion, and great Jiumbers are con- 
 .verted to God. Now turn to the 'Jlst chapter of Matthew's Gospel, and read from the 8th to 
 tbe lUh vers*, and sec whether we can find in the narrative of Christ's entrance into Jerusa- 
 lem, as given by Matthew, and the other Evangelists, any ground on which to rest your un- 
 tenable notion, 'that the King of Ziou was assaulted by the Pharisee.? aud Doctors of the Law 
 When in the raidst of a Jerusalem revival.' 
 
 Matthew here tells ui that a very great multitude spread their garment.? in the way; 
 'while others cut down branches and strewed them in the w."iy.' Those that went before, 
 •nd ::hose that followed after, shouted a« they went, ' Hosanna to the Son of David' ! ' Blessed 
 U he that Cometh in the name of the Lord'! Have you read your New Testament with so 
 little care, as not tf> know, Mr. D..— I. That the Jewish people were at that time under tho 
 iloraan yoke'.'— 2. Thit their minds were imbued with the idea, gathereil from projjhecy, that 
 wheu the Messiah, the Son of Duvid should come, he woulii set up a toraijoral kingdom on 
 earth, and that the capital of that kingdom would he Jerusalem (you remember that the 
 mother of Zebedce's children, full of this iden, came on one occasion to the Saviour to solicit 
 |»ost3 of honor for her two sons); and that they would be delivered from their hated bondage 
 to the Romans? — ?>. The spirit was not poured out till after I lie rfnurreetion of ('hust'f John, 
 J6, 7. — ' It is «ixpedient for you that I go away, for if I go not away the Comforter will not 
 come unto you ; but if t depart I will send him unto you, and when he is come ho will re- 
 prove the world of sLr\,' Ac* Just before he took his departure from earth ' he commanded 
 his disciples (Acts, I. 4^, not to depfirt from Jerusalem, but wait for th« promise of the Fa- 
 ther'.— 4. It was not the Holy Spirit that caused this carnal and fickl«« multitude to shout 
 Hosannat llosauna! Hosanna f but the expectation of a speedy deliverance from the Roman , 
 jroke, and the restoration of the Kingdom of Israel with great earthly pomp and glory.— 5. 
 the same multitude, a few d.ays aftW, Uisappointcd in tUeir expect at ion, icut the air with 
 cries of Orucifr him 1 Oncify himl' 
 
 Vour logic' Mr, D., is like your theology, sadly out of joint! Are you nut ashamed— 
 yott, who ore a religions Teacher of the people, to parade in the rolumni? of a ticwspaper your 
 ignorance o. the Word of God, and your incapacity to expound it to your people? 
 
 As if, Mr. D., your readers had not had a surleil ol ' bubbling and coeil'usion/ you treat 
 tb«m to the followiog : 
 
 " His mind was led out in eloquent reflccUont on tlie scenes of Cnrmel, wc wonder if he 
 thought also of the symphonious confusion of the babbling Israelites on the shores of the Red 
 Sea. ai multitudes of timbrels and harps blended with nearly two ujillions of happy voices as 
 they mightily sang of victory to th« Lord of Hostg, and all tbisi aceotnpaoied with the ' physi- 
 cal demonstration '■ of holy dancing and triumphs of joy.'' 
 
 Here a threefold task is imposed upon me: I must lirat transkte jou ; then teach you, 
 and lastly demolish your arguments, (!) 
 
 Vou meant to say : " We wonder, whether 'Spectator,* while Jiytetilng to the ' babbling 
 and confusion' at our Camp-mccting, did not remember that the Uraelites, a great many 
 ^■ears jigo, bubbled, on the shores of the Red Sea, a song of victory to the Lord of Hosts, tho 
 music o(^a multitude of timbrels and harpj blending with nearly two Biillions of babbling 
 voices, the whole performance being avi-oinpanicd with physical demottstrattons, holy dan- 
 cing, and triumphs of joy "III 
 
 I have li,card, Mr. D., of a person, who, «ic«Iroo» of teMinj his .ikiii in ... art of painting, 
 jjrocured thQ ncce«si\ry implements an4 set to work to paint a hors«; atraid, however, lest it 
 should be mistaken for a calf, he wrote under it in legible characters— 'THIS IS A HORSE!" 
 You .ov.«ht to have completed the abov*" paragraph hy ftddinjf. •' Thia is »»i« of my strongest 
 Mrguraents in. defence of ' babbling and confusion ' at ' Oamp-meetiwgs.''' 
 , ,, The word ' symphonious,' Mr. J)., signifies hc/inoniout, Th«> word 'roftfusion,' '■ disorder,' 
 while ' to babble,"' i\.% you ma j se# >>/ referring t« tny Kngliah DirilniiMV, Kiguifies -to talk 
 
 inaATIONAt.T.V.' 
 
14 
 
 Sow turn 10 {!;« loiU chiip. ol Kxoi1u:i, to wiiicb your p;irsgr*ph bu.» r<'fcrrm*P, jiuff to 
 
 whii'ii >ou afterwards refer me. !t will pav« «ie the trouble of turninj? to it Kgaift; 'fli» 
 children of Israel liful jut^t (;roK,■^!ed the linl Soa. As they stood upon its shores and surveyed 
 the wreck of Phiiroiih's army, and 'saw that great work Avhich the Lord did upon the Egyp- 
 tians;" led hy Mose?, they sung in chorus the mafjniflcent triumphal song recorded in this 
 chapter, and which you have the profanity— I was pOing'to say blasphemy — to desigi'iate 
 'svmphonious confiisioi? and babblinir''!f Where, sir. do you find ■ confusion,' 'babbllnp' 
 and ' physical demon?tratiori' here? 1 wttb, Mf. D., you would keep your Uventions oUt of 
 
 the Bible. 
 
 I.S there any rosemblaure, between the ♦blending voices' of a congregatioc Singing a 
 Psulnt or a Hymn, and the discordant voices of a :jtrect mob? Then there is just as, great 
 a dilfcrence between the ' symphonious song' of the children of Israel, and the 'confusion 
 and disorder' that reigned snjireiiK' at your hite prayer meetings on the €amp-groand. 
 
 But what of the ' holy dancing?' at verse 20 were ad that ' Miriam the p'rophetes?, the 
 sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand, and all the women went out after witU timbrel* 
 and dances, ancl .Miriam answered them, Sing yo to the Lord,' &c. " ''" .''''".' 
 
 Will you be good enough to teil us, Mr. L'., for what purpose j'o'u' refer ta this circum- 
 stance in Israel's history? What did you mp.in to prove or disprove by it? I am credibly 
 informed tiiat one of your brethren at the Camp-nicr-ting. and during the religious e.xerciseS, 
 leaped, at least, three feet clear ifroiu the ground into the air; and I know that some of them 
 made a rigorous u>ie of their heels. Was it to prove the pf0|)riety of these ' religious ^>hysical 
 demonstrations,' that led you to the narrative of .Miriam and her dancing women ? 
 
 You are aware, Mr. I)., that among the .Shakers, dancing forms a part of their religious 
 worship. Staid old age and blushing youth may be seen, at their usual religious meetings, 
 solemnly 'tripping it on the light fantastic t c' If \ou were to ask a Shaker Klder hii 
 authority for this practice, it ia quite probable be would refer you to the loth chapter of 
 Exodus'. '* 
 
 Bht it is also said in the Bible, that they 'blew witl» rams' horns.' According' to your 
 mode of interpreting scripture, there would be no impropriety in our congregations, and fof 
 the sake of varying the religious services, .substituting the horn for the hymn-book, and 
 instead of singing, tooting their praise throuj>h this instrument. It might not, indeed, be very 
 agreeable to the ' velvet ears' of conic to listen to the 'discordant tooting' of two or three 
 hundred people: but then there would be nothing wrong or improper in it, while it would 
 please persons who are eo much in Jova witU 'noise, confusion and disorder,' «s you Beern 
 to be. 
 
 T havp put your argument in this? way, merely to shew jou its absurdity. 
 
 You next take a flying leap from the shores of the Red Sea, over the inttfrrening cen- 
 turies, to the scenes enacts ' in the city of Jerusalem, ou the day of Pentecost. Here is your 
 description ; 
 
 " Or if h** would look into the Jerusalem prayer-tneeting, he might see in the midst of tho 
 cloven toligues of fire, such physical demonstrations of body and of voice, as would lead hitn, 
 as it did his ancient fathers the Jews, to say ' thrij are full of new wine;' but calm investigation 
 might teach him, as it did thorn, that it was but the outpouring of the Holy Ghost. Would 
 to God that we had more just as disorderly prayer-meetings now araongthose who profess to 
 be Christians; attended with just as gt ^cious energies from on High, then thcif vile cnticismi 
 and complaints would change into the frtdts of the Spirit. 
 
 "The Spirit ;descended, and some were offended, ..,\„.'., 
 
 And said of the men ' they are filled with new wine.*. . . ,i 
 I never yet doubted but some of them SHOUTED!!!' 
 
 IVhile others LAY PROSTRATEHI by POWER STRUCK DOWNtl! J ... 
 
 SOME WEEPI.VG!!! some praving, while others werQ paying, 
 'They ARE DRU.\KARDS ! fl AND FOOLSJl! and IX, FALSEHOOD ABOUND '"Hi 
 
 » You tell Mr, in tbe above paragraf,h, that, if I i^ill only look into 'the Jerusalem praytnt 
 taeeting,' I shall see, atnong the disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ, such 'pliysical demoa- 
 atrations' of 'body And voice,' aa will Icftd roe to conclude that they are drunk. Tht 
 •religious phvsical demonstrations ' which vou saw and heard when you 'looked into this 
 prayer-meeting, were SHOUTING, WEEPING, praymg. TU.MBLIN J OVER or FALLING 
 PROSTRATE on the ground ; and then you piously (?) exclaim, ' Would God we HAH 
 MORE JUST AS P'S'T-DERLY PRAYER-MEETINGS'!!! ' 
 
 In the doggerel verses you have appended to your letter as 6, supplement, fend whicli, 
 I understand, you copied from A Camp-hymn Book, which, by the w'ay, seems to b« ft 
 far greater authority with you than even the Bible itself, you confit'ci the truth of the statt- 
 roents of the *b*>Ti> par«)i"^ph by pnltiojc >he followin^f into the mouth of ' Spectator'; 
 
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 AND LYL\G AND ROLLING PROSTRATE ON THK 0EJ:)USD!!I 
 I reelly felt awful, and sometimes was fearful, 
 That I'd be the next to come TUMBLING DOWN ! • !" 
 
 ■Mr. !>., t do SOLEMNLY i>R.pTjE;ST against your thrusting your giUi/ INVENTIONS into 
 the Bible, or taking out of it what is hot in it. How dare yon thus triile with the \Voj:d of 
 Crod? You tell me that I misrepresent John Wesley; but you. sir. arc cjuiltv of the double 
 crime of ADDING TO THE BIBLE and DEFAMING the Aposlle^ ol the*' Lord Jesus Christ ; 
 for you positively declare that they conr'.ucted themselves in such a nuinuer. at "the Jerusa- 
 lem praj-'cr-meeting," as to lead the specta'ors ta conclude THAT THLV WEIlE DRUNK!!! 
 iiad i not had reason to believe that you are a man of taniperate habits. I should have con- 
 cluded that you had penned the above sentence wiien in the last ttagc of intoxication ! 
 
 W^here, sir, do vou find A PARTICLE of evidenre in the 2nd cliapter of Acts, to srhew 
 that the Apostles and disciples, SHOUTED, WEPT, or ROLLED ON THE GROUND LIKE 
 DRUNKEN .MEN, at 'the Jerusalem prayer-meeting'? or that they exhibited such 'physical 
 <leraon8tratioMS of body and voice,' as characterized your late prayer. meetingn in ti\e bush? 
 How shall I account for such horrid blasphemy as the above? Shall I conclude t&At you 
 hare never read your New Testament, or thtit when you did read it, your head was so full of 
 * revival disorder and confusion' that you could see nothing else in its pagen ? Turn, with 
 me, if you please, sir, to the chapter lo which you refer. Read from the 1st to the end of the 
 5th verse. Here, we find that the di.^eipies were aasembled together iu oue place on the day 
 »>f Pentecost, and that while thus as embled, the pioiai.-^e made by Christ before his departure 
 from earth was fulfilled : Acts I. 8 — '' But ye shall receive power, after f,hat (he Holy Ghost is 
 come upon you; and ye shall be witnesses unto me, both in Jerusalem and all Judea," kc. 
 The Holy Ghost, accordingly descended upon them in a miraculous maimer, and in the like- 
 ness of fiery tongues sat upon them, in consequence of which they were enabled to spe^k 
 difl'are»t languages, which they had never learned. Without this miraculous gift of totiguea 
 they would never have been able to preach the gospel to the various nations, among whom 
 they were soon after dispersed. By beiug thus endowed they were enabled to be intelligent 
 witnesses unto Christ, " m Jerusalem £\nd in all Jadpa, ^nd in Sajnaria, and unto the utter- 
 most parts of the earth." " '•, ■■■*■'•'■', '"• '" ' ■>', ' 
 
 Read now from the 6th verse to the^fi(! of the l3fh. As soon as tbe matter was noised 
 .ibroad, a great multitude of people belonging to different rations and f peaking dilferent 
 languages came together and were-— verses 6 and 7 — " confounded and amazed." Confounded 
 and amazed at what, Mr, D.? At seeing Christ's disciples, at thi.? "Jerusalem prayer- 
 meeting," tumbling about like drunk men? or weeping and shoutitig like raving drunkards? 
 No, sir! They were 'amazed and confounded' because — verse 8— hi^y heard these unlearned 
 Galileeans speak in the respective tongues • wherein tiiey weie born.' If a Roman spoke to a 
 disciple, that disciple could speak to him in Latin ; if a Greek, lie coiild reply in Greek, «tc. 
 It was this circumstance, Mr. D. and not * Heeping and .siioutini; and lunihling 'about like 
 drunk men, that caused the spectators to say. * these men Are full of new wine :' If^a Roman, 
 who only understood the Latin language, heard :% disciple speaking io Arabic, knowing him 
 to be an unlearned man, be would conclude that tie wM uttering the intoh^rent ruringa of 
 Intemperance, &C:, and so on of the rest. 
 
 Do, Mr, D., put yourself to school to common sense and the Bible for, ut least, .six months'. 
 
 Aa another argutnenl tor Slisorder and iM)ufu,siou' <ii riligioii* met'liu|;s, you refer me to 
 ■fveral texts of Bcripture, which I shall examittt; iti tht* order in which you give them, prerai- 
 »ing that I have aln-ady disposed of the loth KxfMlus, The first, then, on the list, is 2nd 
 Chronicles, oth 6th 7th chapters; Iti the 5th t;hii[>tcr we have un account of the bring^ing 
 into the tiMupK' of Solomon, which wa« now finished, "'nil ihe things which hi.s father David 
 bad dedicated,'' i.e.— the uasemldioff of the elders, Ac.-— ihe bringing np of the ark, and the 
 tabernacle of the coujjregafi. n, and lastly the pertormarice of iho Temple Choristers, Wt 
 are told that the Lt-vites, who foi^uied ihi.s «hoir. with tlieir huim^, &l'., arrjiyed in white lineil, 
 having cymbals and psalters, A'c, STUOO (didu'l tumble about in a (li.-iorderly nianiier) at'th& 
 •a3t ♦*ud of the. altar, atid with Tiu-:M I'iO priests, soimding with truui.pet.s. The iicvt verse 
 Contnins a powerful argument ajrainst 'symphouious confu.sion and bait.bling ' in the service 
 ^God. Verse 13— "It came even to pass ais the trunifietcrs and sinrieiK WERE AS ONE, 
 U> m^^ce OxNE SOUND to be hnrd in pmUing their King the LonV ONE SOUND, Mr. 
 D.; not & HABEL of sonjidsl 
 
 Now, sir, let u» look at the 6th chapters We have here— 1. Solomon blessing the peo- 
 ple; 2. Solomon's prayer in the consecration of the temple, ns he knelt upon the brazen 
 licaffold-*-Terie 13 : " And upon it be stood and kneeled down upou his knees before ftll the 
 Wngrtjation oSJnrt^i, aqd fpreitd forth hi? handu toward he Jirru and said." »Vr, 
 
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 For wliat ijuipv^'f Mr. I>., did you refer lue to this cliafitor ? (o find * dbprdcr and col- 
 fusion' at tkw (.UMlict'iUon of the Temple? I can't find sinylhiiii^ of llie kind iu thin solemn 
 ncrvice. iSolomoti ALONK prajed. There is here do account of ' shoutin;,',' 'clappiiijl of 
 hands,' * whistling,' ' Icapin*,' or crying out * Glory, Glory ! ' But let us pass on ' > the next 
 chapter to which you bid me turn 5 perhaps we shall find your niuchloted 'oonfusion,' ' di«. 
 order,' and ' babbling ' there : We aro here informed that. Solomon having ended his prayer, 
 lire came down I'rom heave* and consumed the burnt otFerin;^, ic. and the glory of God 
 filled the house. And when the con}.rreji;Hlion saw hfiw fire eame down from heaven tliet 
 reverently bowed themselves with their faces to the pavement and wi rshippcd and praised 
 the Lord, &c. Xo shouting, no babbling, no clujjpin;^ of bands here, Mr. D,I 
 
 Seriously, Mr. D., I begin to entertain grave doubts as to whether you have ever read 
 the Bible. It is ([uite certain that you are not in the habit of utmh/inij it. No man who lia.s 
 ever examined, with any degree of attention, the texts which you have quoted, and to whieU 
 you invite my special attention, would ever have thought of selecting these as proofs of the 
 propriety of shouting," 'whistling,' 'tumbling about,' A'c, at religious meetings. 
 
 But you next quote Ezra, ord chapter. The portions of it to whicb you doubtless refc'f 
 lue are the 11th, 12ih and I3tb verses. 
 
 Well, Mr. ])., I have accompanied you on a towr of exploration over the wide field of 
 Kevelation, patiently examining every spot indicated by you, iu the hope of finding your 
 jnuch coveted and much 'oved 'confusion and disorder.' 1 have traveled with you from the 
 shores of the Red Sea over many centuries, borne up under iny fatiguing labor, by the 
 hope that at last we should light upon the long wished for treasure. Perhaps it rs here. Let 
 us examine this spot tniniUely, '"It is here, it is here"! vou exclaim — verse l.'{, "for the 
 people SHOUTED Yv^ITH A LOUD SHOUT, and the "NOISE WAS HEARD AFAU 
 OFF"!l! An ancient philosopher having made a cei*tain discovery while in the bath, 
 leaped from it and ran into the street, shouting, "Eureka! Eureka "I! — "I have found it! 1 
 have found it "I I 1 beg of you, however, Mr. D., not to be too hasty in following Lis exam- 
 ple. It is not all gold tlat ijliUerx. To your entranced vision, this appears a mine glitter- 
 ing with the golden ore. A few words of explanation will, however, dispel the golden illusion; 
 !Many of the Jews who had been carried away captive into Babylon, after a seventy-years 
 captivity, returned under Zerubbnbel to Jerusalem. Their Temple having bnen destroyed id 
 their absence, it was determined to rebuild it. The chapter to which you refer me, contains 
 an account of the laying of the foundation of the building, and the eeremoniiis which atteudod 
 it. The Choristers of the Temple, composed of the Levite.s, were trained to this servi«e, 
 David, in order to give the best effect to the music of the Tabernacle, divided the four thou* 
 sand Levites into twenty-four classes, who sang psalms and accompanied them vith nmaici 
 each of these classes being superintended by a leader, placed over it. They performed the 
 duties which devolved upon them, each class a week at a time, in succession (see I Chron.) 
 xvi: 5 : ixiii: 4, 5; xxv: 1 — 31; compare 2 Chron., v: 12, lo). Well, the Priests and Levitts 
 nre said to have played and sung together on this joyful occasion, while the people are repre- 
 irented as having raised a great shout. Do you find, Mr. D., in this occasion, *» revival 
 of religion,' an outpouring of the Holy Spirit? Anything here resembling the 'confusion and 
 difsorder' which characterized your late Oamp-raeeling? it was their joy at seeing the foun- 
 dation of their temple laid that caused these returned captives to shout. I have witne»s«»d 
 the ceremony of laying the foundation of a public building amid similar scenes. A» soon M 
 the prayer v.'as offered and the stone laid, the spectators raised a shout that raade the welkin 
 ring, while the booming of cunnou and the flourish of trumpets annonnced to those '»fi»roff' 
 that the 'stone had been laid.* You might with just as much propriety, Mr. 1>., have 
 referred me to the incidents that accompanied the laying of the foundation stono of the 
 Parliament buildings in the city of Ottawa, as to refer me to the Hrd chapter of the Book of 
 Ezra for an argument to prove that all the 'confusion and disorder' which attended ymir 
 Camp-meeting is sanctioned by scripture. But we are not done with your j>>*oo/.V yet. Yoil 
 ■next a?k me to examine .loel, 3rd chapter. Wel^ here it is : " And it shall come to paw 
 afterward that I will pour out my Spirit UPON ALL FLESH: and your sons and yovii 
 DAt'fiHTKUfe SHAM, I'twPHKCv, atul vour old men shall DHEAM DHEAMS and YOUR 
 YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS," &c. ! ! ! What do vou mean to PROVE b* tfeis^ 
 Mr. 1).? 
 
 In one of my letters I refer to a girl who was said to have got * the power,' as follow*:— 
 " A wcnnan ^^ho was sitting near her (the girl), and who complacently remarked th»l sho 
 understood ner situation, for she herself had been through ' t^he mill,' and which under thil 
 power had beard cclcstinl nrjiiic an:l s-ca the ppirit of her departed child, 'irbwever thg px\ 
 
.spi'dcr and cub- 
 ill thin Holcmii 
 ,' 'dappiiiji of 
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 ;onfusion,' ' div- 
 ided his praver^ 
 5 glory of God 
 tn heaven tlic'y 
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 have ever read 
 
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 f labor, by the 
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 a mine f^litter* 
 golden illusion; 
 \ seventy-years 
 en destroyed in 
 ev me, contains 
 which atteuddd 
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 the four thou* 
 iiu vith music, 
 performed the 
 
 1 (see I Chron., 
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 ' confusion and 
 oeing the foun- 
 have witnessifd 
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 lade the welkin 
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 Mr. 1>., have 
 n stone of tho 
 of the Book of 
 attended ymif 
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 wonld lift «p her liands or ovf ^ tow-.-ird the roof of llu> font. wIucTj^ shft did^ frequently, this 
 woman would say, * Ah yea', she sees nngels now. This is GENU WINK rfligion,'^' kc. 
 Did you citn tlic above texts to prove tliat the lioly Spirit was poured out at yinir Camp- 
 rnoctiug, and that voiir convert-^ dreamed dreams and .suw visions, as this woman is said to 
 have done? A narrative of tho remarkable 'dreams and visions' with which your peoplo 
 were favored at your late meeting, would doubtless bo interosting.t 
 
 Vour next proof is Isaiah, 12lh chapter. The verse, I suppose, to which you wish me 
 to examine, ia the Glh or last. *' Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of the mountain," kc. 
 Well, Mr. D., the nwd SHOUT certainly occurs in this chapter. But are you aware that 
 Kn equal number of texts may '"'^ adduced exhorting to keep silence ? Lsaiah 2:^,2 — "Be 
 STII.L, ye inhabitants of the isle?' Ac. Hnbakkuk, '/.nd chap., 20— But the i.ord is in his holy 
 place, let all the earth KEEP SILENCE before him. Rev. 8. 1— There was SILENCE 
 in heaven for about half an hour. 2nd Timothy, 2, 11, Ti—Let tho women learn IN SI- 
 LENCE. And in Isaiah 42, to which yon also refer me, verse 2, the prophet, referring to 
 Christ, savs, "lie shall NOT CRY nor LIFT UP HIS VOICE in the streets." It is also 
 said ia the I. 3th verse of the same chapter, "The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man ; ho 
 shall stir up jealousy like a man of war; ho SHALL CRY, YEA ROAR," &c. Ps. 08, 8 
 — " The mountains and tho hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the ireen 
 of the field shall CLAP THEIR H A>;i)S "HI if you had a grain of common sense, Mr. 
 1>., you never could interpret the Bildc as you do. 
 
 Dancing was a common act of devotion under the Old Testament dispensation. Miriani 
 gnd her won"en danced to the sound of timbrjls. The dau;,'htcr of J(!phtha went out to meet 
 her father on his return from the slaughter of the Ammonites, " with timbrels and dances." 
 David danced and leaped before the ark of God. But what does this prove ? Tbak ii is right 
 to dance in our religious assemblies ? 
 
 Do you cite those texts of scripture, in which the \v-nrd shotii occurs, \o prove to ire that 
 shouting is a part of public Avorship— or that when a man and woman shout, clap their hands, 
 stamp with their feet, they arc inspired by the Holy Spirit? that it is nn evidence that they 
 have got religion ? Or arc they brought forward to sanction the * religious physical demon- 
 Stratio^is' whTch characterized your late meeting in Yokom's bush, rts ' clapping the hands,' 
 'jumping up and down,' boisterous laughter, shouting * Glory I Glory 11 Glory III Halle' ;ahl' 
 'slapping the legs/ ' whistling,' ' falling down,' twc.? 
 
 Vo\l seem tt> think that religion consiiit;} " in a boiatcroua agitation of the paacions— that 
 Other means than prayer mid the avoidance of temptation, are to be cmploypd ia overcoming 
 the Devil, and that reverence nnd order in relicrious worship are charactcri^,tit■s of coldness 
 and formrilitr." "A man of my acquaintance," .says a well-known divine, "cried out at one 
 of theif even'lnjr nieetings, 'Brethren, Pve got the Devil, and will not let hint go till I kill 
 hJni.* He continued fisting his Satanic Majesty agrvinst the wall for half an hour, whilst the 
 cries of * Amen ' and ' Glory to God * were rising nil around him." 
 
 An intimate friend of mine was present at a Sabbath-evening meeting, where, it was said, 
 a revival of religioi* was going on. After the preacher had finished his sermon, he came 
 down from the pulpit, and talked, a few minutes to the persons who were sitting on the peni- 
 tent bonehe?. '* Thank God I" he then exclaimed, "soub are converted! Let us give a 
 cheer, IrAnhren I :md make use of your FEET AS WELL AS YOUR HANDS "1 11 The 
 large Jiudlence did as they were bidden, and in a few minutes, from the vigorous application 
 of .some two or three hundred pairs of heels to the lloor. the chapel was filled with clouds of 
 dwsl which threatened to sutlbeate every one present. T'his ' brother ' had evidently adopted 
 yom- mode of interpreting acripture—a mode, by the way, by which the scriptures may be 
 made to teach anything or.e's J'anci/ may suggest. A person bent on killing himself might, 
 on your principles of exegesis,'ndduce scripture to sanction his intended s\iicide. The quo- 
 tation of two texts would will fiulRcc: "Aud Judas weut aud hanged hiuiseif." *' Go thou 
 and do likewise ''I 
 
 I have never met with ignorance so dense. I dospaii, Mr. D., of imparting to your 
 tnind one particle of light. If, however, I could persuade you to read and study the scrip- 
 Inres, nccompanying th::r study of thera with earnest prayer to God to enlighten your mind 
 nnd lead vou intso a knowledge of them, I might have some hope of you. But when I have 
 tne amplest evidence before me that the Bible is not o:ie of your favorite books of study ; and 
 tliat the very exceptionable teachings of a Camp-ineeling Hymn Book have far greater 
 weight with you than God's own Word, I confess my hope of your enlightenment ia very 
 amall. 
 
 . Tho naxt and last proofs which you adduce from scripture art?, Revelations, chapter* 6, 
 
y niid It!. la ttieijt* Joint si'cii in virion nn Itintt»H'rabl« i»it1ti(itct« of th«f re()eeifi«(l offeriMft 
 
 up \n songs of pruisc their acknowledgements thnt they had been redeemed by itic bluod of 
 Christ. 'J'h(?y sanj? u new son;? — the sonjj of Moses and the LumU. Where» Mr. D > do you 
 lind 'CONFUSION AND DISORDEU AND BABBLING' here? Anythinj? ii» heaven 
 that resembles the scenes witnessed at your Camp-meeting? I cease to be astonished »i 
 j'our ignorance — I have nireadv met with so many proofs of it in my review of your extraor* 
 dinary letter. I ali.iost regret that I nnderiook to reply to so much nonsense. 
 
 Well, you have explored both heaven and earth to find argunienls in favor of * disorder 
 and confusion ' in religious assemblies, whither now do yon bend your steps? "Together," 
 you add, '* witii those lessons setting forth the final state of the lost." Excuse me, Mr. l)., if 
 I refuse to accompany yon in your descent into hell, "with its undying worm, and with the 
 ve geance of eternal fire," in order to find a lajl argument to prop up your delusion. If yott 
 can discover, in the wailings of the lost, any resemblance to the 'noise and confusion* that 
 characterized your prayer luid conference meetings in tho bush, I make you welcome to tha 
 discovt'ry ; but I must be pardoned if I decline to have any hand in tracing this resemblaneel 
 
 Passing over your next paragraph, which contains no information or argument ot" any 
 Ivind. I proceed to notice your next charge against * Spectator,' who you say has vii.srepvt' 
 senied the dead. As you have devoted two-thirds of a column to the discussion of this point, 
 it is evident that you deem it one of considerable importance. You say that in my letters, 
 ' the Ker. John Wesley is set forth as a bitter opposer of physical demonstrations and «0« 
 called confusion, &c., in revivals of religion.' What da you mean by the phrase * physical 
 demonstrations and confusion,' which so ofuiu occurs in your letter? Do you mean shouting, 
 clapping of hands, laughing, whistling, jumping, stampinir with the feet, and falling over, 
 dfiririg public worship? If so, then I did introduce into my letters, a quotation from Wesley 
 to shew that the founder of Mcilunlism was decidedly opposed to such 'religious physical 
 demonstrations.' You allow, by implication, that Wesley did oppose such things at one time; 
 but go on to prove, by other extracts from his writings, that he afterwards came to see the 
 mailer in a different light' — that in short, he recanted his former opinions. By a little gar* 
 bling of Wesley, with whose works I happen to be as familiar as yourself, you make it appear 
 to your readers that, when Wesley <lipapproved and opposed uuch 'religious physical demon* 
 Btrations' as I have Indicated, he was guilty of blasphemy !! ! Here are your own words— 
 ' Hear it, ye garblers ; hear it : REV. JOHN WESLEY GUILTY OF BLASPHEMY 'tlf 
 Yon proceed then to toll us, 'that Wesley, now that he is becoming more acquainted with 
 the deep things of God, endorses what he unce repudiated, »nd leavus the Holy Ghost to do 
 his own work in his owu way.' 
 
 " It is true however,'' yon add, evidently with some reluctance, "that Wesley," nolwUh- 
 Btandiiig that he had recanted his former opinions, "tells us in another paragraph, 'thai 
 after a time, nature mixed wiih grace'" — that is to say, Wesle)*, after all, did not wholly 
 renounce his former sentiments. Lastly, you give ns Wesley's final deliverance on tbta 8ub» 
 ject, which I transcribe Word for word as it appears in your letter: 
 
 ' Upon the whole. I declare once lor all (and I hope to be troubled n© more on the sub* 
 ject), I look \ipon some of those bodily symptoms lt> have been preternatural or diabolical, 
 and others to have been <>ffpcts which, in some circumstances, ridturally followed from stronj; 
 and sudden emotions of mind. Those emotions of mind, whether of fear, sorrow or joy, I 
 believe are chiefly supernatural, springing from the gracious influences of the Spirit of God 
 which accomp-'iied his word.'-— Vol. 7, p. 502. 
 
 You occupy two thirds of a column to shew— .1, That Wesley onc« opposed *r«!ig?oe8 
 physical demonstrations' of the kind I have indicated ; but that he afterwards rec.%ated, fel» 
 sorry for what he had done and acknowledged that he h.-id been guilty of blasphemy. 2. That 
 afterwards, he somewhat modified his recantation. And Lastly, that, after due examination of 
 the subject, !ic returned pretty nearlv to his first position. *l look,' says he, * upon Borne of 
 those bodily symptoms to have hee'n PRETER.N'ATUllAL OR DIABOLICAl*'! 11 *to 
 SATAN TEARING THEM ' 1 ! ! Now, Mr. D., you speak with respect of the pious Wesley, 
 notwithstanding his deliverance, as above ; how is it that your wrath if so excited against 
 'Spectator,' who has never gom.? so far in his strictures, as to ascribe the 'religious phyatical 
 dem(,nstrations' nf your C:i!np meeting In ' DLAROIJCAL' AGENCY?!!! 
 
 If, Mr. D., you will give me reasonable evidence that the 'religious physical demonstr** 
 tions ' which I witnessed at your late meeting, *is the work of the Holy Ghont,* then I frill 
 make a publ'? recantation of my letters, and conless myself to have been guilty of blasphemy. 
 Moreover, if you will prove— not from a Camp meeting Hymn Book, but from God's word- 
 that either Christ or his disciples, or those who were ' religioutly affected ' under their pr*tach« 
 
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 reseinblanee! 
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 i of this point, 
 in my letters, 
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 rase * physical 
 nean shoutin*, 
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 >scd *rc!ig?oti8 
 ; recfiJited, fel» 
 lemy. 2. Tbnt 
 axaminalion of 
 ' upon Borne of 
 CAl/Ill *tO 
 f pious Wesley, 
 xcited Against 
 gious phyitical 
 
 cat demonstr*' 
 ■)st,* then I frill 
 ' of blasphemy. 
 I God's word— 
 r tbeir pr*tAch* 
 
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 Inf, Man^bt'd,' or ' fhoiitod,' ot *wM«tl<>d/ or danccvl, or *l\inih!.Ml 4»ver,* "r >hi»iife.l ^lory. 
 Kldjy, at any rt-UfjIous iin't'tinpr hold by ihoiii, I £oIeuinly pltidpe myself to auknowledpo. in ihc 
 most luihlic manner possible, that I hn\i: h^'t^n *'ntii>lr misfnkeu in thin mailer, and to do all 
 hi my power to remove any nnfrtvorabic impressionM respecting your mecliug, my letters may 
 have made on the minds of the {rommunity. 
 
 Now I bcjf of you, Mr. l>., thoultl you nttempt id reply to my loiters, not to evade this 
 point. Don't prevaricate or beat the bush, but fairly *nd lionestly meet my challenge. Iha 
 jjublie will exf>ect il of you in any reply you may make. 
 
 Heforc leaving thin' subject, however, I desire to make a few plain statrmcnfs in rejjrard 
 to Wesley, which any one having his works may verify f )r himst'lf. John Wesley preached 
 the gospel for sixty five years. Ou the l.>th Aupust, 17Hi),-~jiist two years before his death, 
 —he preached a scrmou in Plymouth, England, on * Knowing Christ after (he Flesh' (sea 
 Wesley's Sermons, with h Life of the Author, by Rer. John Ik'ccham). In this sermon the 
 following passage occi.i-s, which I copy verbatim:— 
 
 ♦* perhaps some may be afraid lest the refiaijiiiig fi'oro these warm expressions, or even 
 gtntly checking \hem^ should check the fervor of our devotion. It is v<»-y possible it may 
 check, or even prevent, some kind of fervor which has passed for devotion. Possibly it may 
 prevent loud shouting, horrid, unnatural screaming, repeating the same words twenty or 
 thirty times, jumping tw« or three feet high, and thrcwiii^ about the arms and legs, both of 
 ir.en and women, in n manner shockii»g not only to religion, but to commoii decency ; but it 
 never will check, much less prevent, true scriptiiral devoiiou." While the sermon is before 
 ine, you will allow me to give another brief t-xtract from if, as it will tend to strengthen the 
 remarks I made in ray last letter in regard to the* * irreverent manner in which the name of 
 the Great God * was uttered in the devotions of the Camp meeting. Mr. Wesley says :— " Ou 
 tht} oontrary, the using this improper familiarity with God our Creator, our Redeemer, our 
 Governor, is naturally f-roduclive of very evu. fuvIts; and that not only in those that speak, 
 •dut ALSO TO THOSK THAT HEAR them. It I5as a uiiikct 'tendkncy to abatk 
 THE REVERENCE DUE TO THE LORD their Governor. It insensibly damps 
 
 • That ypeeohloss awe wlileU dHrc* not mow, 
 And M tbu silent be.ivun of love.' 
 
 It is impossible we should accustom ourselves to this odious and Jndeccnt familiarity with our 
 Maker, while we preserve in our minds a lively Ronse of what is painted ho strongly in those 
 lolemn lines : — 
 
 *I>?irk wltli ^scessir* ^fipKt his dVlrts (ippear, 
 \Vt diixxle beivven, that brij^htest seraphim ^ » 
 
 Apj)roacl» not, but wit*» both wings vtil their ejrc*.* 
 
 Bein», M yon t»y, a 'Modern Goliath,* and having your example before my eyes, I claim 
 the privilege of challenging the entire body of ministers in the M. E. Church, from the Bishop 
 down lo the lowest subaltern in your ar.uy, to prove that John Wesley EVER RECANTED 
 A SINGLE SENTIMENT expressed in the ahjvc sermon! And as yon ha«e ransacked 
 heaven and earth, and even hell itself, to find arguments in favor of * babbliiig and confusion ' 
 at your religious meetings, you might profitably reflect on the example of Him of whom the 
 prophet said (Isaiah 42, 2),' * He shall not cry nor cause his voice to be heard in the street ;' 
 and who when he lived on earth, was wont to retire 'alone,' * apart from his disciples,' to the 
 solitude of a monntaiu, to pour out bis heart unto God ; and who, warning his disciples 
 •gainst the hypocrisy of the Pharisees, who loved to exhibit their devotions before the crowd, 
 anid (Matlhew it. 5, (>), * And whon thon prayesl thou shalt Tiot bo as the hypocrites are, for 
 they love to pray standing in the .synagogues and in the corners of the street, that they may 
 be seen of men, verily I say unto you they have their reward ; but thou when thou prayest 
 ester into thy closet, »nd when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father,' &c. 
 
 I beg, however, to say that I quoted Wesley, not because I attach any particular impor- 
 tance to what he says on this subject — for he was never, during the whole of his long and 
 nsefot life, settled in many of his views of divine truth — but because, being the founder of 
 your society, and his memory hijfhly venerated by your body generally, I naturally concluded 
 that his authority would have some weight with you. But as I have referred to the unsettled 
 State of Wesley's mind in regard to many points of divine truth, I diall probably be again 
 charged with defaming the dead. Before, therefore, I pass on to a review of your next para 
 graph, you will allow me to submit to you r^fexi\ out of many, proofs of the truth of the abovo 
 assertion :— I. In bis Notes > '-^ New Testament, Wesley asserts (see on Matlhew) that 
 Baptism by immersion is in- , «..d that therefore immersion could not have been tho 
 
 primitive mode. I giv« bit Cunclnsioni— not his words, ss I have not, at this mnmont, hia 
 
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 Notes by Tiie. Yon can toiifciiTt l!»*»m» fiowpi'*"?, for yours*!/. Aft**rw*r»!», ht)w«v«r» on Ro* 
 
 mnns G hiid 4, lie nssert.«, in \^.\h\ miii «umli^l;^UJvbl« terms, tliiit liiifjliM.-n by iinuiersioii WA« 
 UNDouuTKDt.y llh^ i)iiiniiiv»? uumIi'.I ! I 2. In hii* serujon ou i'h»Ui|.ii\iis lii. H, »ih arjjues «tn)«i,'1y 
 in favor of 'Cliristian pwrfoctioa ' in t\m life ; lul ia » «prnioii i)rejiofio4l subscqiuMilly td <hi«, 
 on 2 Curiiilhittns, V, 17, be uso^i tlu* folluwij)},' hlroiif* tiui,L-ai»^'t' :-~"Ti» avuiU this «!xtreinp, 
 many well meaning tkmi, purliculurly llio.se under llie direcliou of ilie lm«5 Count Ziii/.euvlurt', 
 ran into another; Tifliriniii,!;, tlnvl *al! tnio bcliivirs aro not only wftved from tb«; ifominion of 
 gin, but fi-om the hciiKj «jf inwani as wt-ll jjji outward siii, tio thai il uct lonjror rcm^n'M.v in 
 them :' and from them", ubout twenty jears n.^», many of our fnunlryuK-n inibibi'd the siuuo 
 opinion, thjt even the corniplion <»f our nature h no more, tu those wlio heliovo in Christ. It 
 is true that, ^hen the Germans wt-ro jnosscd npon this hfud, fiioy boo.i ulinwed, (umnf of 
 thera at least,) that 'sin did still romain in Ihetlenh, but not in the tmwt of a believer;' and, 
 lifter a time, when the nbsnrdity of thin was shown, they fairly pave up tlir point; allowing 
 that sin did still romuin, thuu-ll not ieio:iT. ii» him that is born of <Jod. But the Kiii,'li.sh, who 
 had received it from them, (some directly, sonie lit second or third hand,) were not so easily 
 prevailed upon to part with a i';ivorit(» ojiinion : and oven when thrt {rt^nerality of them were 
 convinced il was UTTERLV INDKI-'KNSIBLK, a few could not be porsnadod to f.Mvo it up, 
 but niiiintain it to this day.''!!! 3. A<r»in, in hi.^ sermon oi» 'Imputed Ki.i>hteou,sne,«s,' (a doc- 
 trine not generally believed and preached bv your society,) he sp* a1<s of certain persons in 
 England who denied this ductrliip, and of Uobert Harchiy, {the Quaker.) who called it eon- 
 temptuously 'Imputed Konsense"! and himself having been charged with i» denial of it, he 
 repels it thus:— *'I therefore no more deny the righteousness of Christ, than I deny 
 the Godhead of Christ; and a man nay full as justly charge tne with denying the one as the 
 other. Neither do I deny imputed righteousnes.^ ; this i.s anolher uniiind and unjust accusa- 
 tion. I always did, and do still (.ontinnaHy, adirrn, that the ri^ihtoonsuesf* of Christ is impured 
 to every believer. Util whv> deny it ? Why, all infidels, whether baptized or unbnptize.l ; all 
 who afHrra the glorious Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ to bo a cutMiin;ifly devised fable; ail 
 Socinians and Arians; all who deny the supreme Godhead of the Lord that bought thesn ; 
 they, of eojiseqtienco, deny hi^ divine rightcousnesa, as they suppose him to he a mere crea- 
 ture ; and they deny his human righteousness, a» imputed tr> any man, eoeing they believo 
 every ono is accepted for hU own righteousut-ss." Afterwards, however, he spcuU of ihta 
 doctrine in such a way as Jo make it diilicult to know what really were liis sentiments upon it. 
 In the early partof hl^i ministry, his mind oscillated between Annenianism and the Calvinism 
 contained in the 39 Articlea of lUo Church of England, of which he was a minister. His 
 mother— a pious woman, who belonged to tha same church—advised hint strongly to have 
 nothing to do with tho Cu!vini.sts. In a state of great mental perplexity, he attempted to 
 kring his mind to a decision br the * tos* up of a fe'iillitJ-?'! (See ictter addressed by Kev. 
 Augustus Toplady to Kev. John Wesley,) You are aware that Toplady was the cotemporary 
 of John Wesley, and belonged to the sanje church ; and further, that he was a very eminent 
 ftnd devoted servant of Christ, as w«jll as a verjr abb writer. IJy ccttsuUiuj b»« works yott 
 will find the letter in t|Ucstion» 
 But you proceed to aay,— 
 "As to Mr. Fletcher, if his very next lellar lo Rev. Charles Wftslcy; aft«r the one referred 
 
 with the writings of Fletcher at>d Charles Wesley, wou . "lude from the above— and thi« 
 ia the idea you wish to convey— that these good men ret. i the seutiraeuls expressed in 
 the quotations I gave, ia tny letters, from their works, an uich I now quote ogaio. The 
 Rev. Charles Wesley, in spe.Aking of certain disorderly ?cei.es which occurred at one of hit 
 meetings, says,—" Today one came, v.-ho was pleased to fall into a fit for ray entertainment. 
 He beat himself heartily. I thought it a pity to hinder him, so instead of singing over him, 
 ai had often been done, we Wft hitn to recover at his leisure. A girl, as she began to cry, I 
 ordered to be carried out. Her convulsions were so violent as to take away the use of hep 
 
 .. ^ ..11 .1 I'll 'it i ^r 1 I -1^- '-1- .T!.,A-.t,. /.^...i/1 Uf... l/3/«t. 0.-..1 iTrnltm/i r\n 
 
 JunDS, iiii mey iaia ncr icii/ionc i/ic «ocir, wncn kuo i:iiiir<;uiAi^-iv io-uua net le^^ a. .a ..ai...^., •>«, 
 Some very nusiill si:,-iers, who all took care to stand near me, and tried who could cry the 
 loudest, have been as quiet as lambs since I had them removed from my sight. The first 
 night 1 preached there, half my words were lost from their outcries. Last night I gave publie 
 notice that whosoever cried so as to drown my voice should bo quietly carried to the farthest 
 corner of the foow. But my poiter bad do cmploymont the whole uigbt." And Fletcher 
 
 I 
 
 -t 
 
'«v«r» on Ro* 
 
 AMitlr td fhto, 
 ihis «;xtreini», 
 
 I Ziii/.eiivlurf, 
 thminion of 
 
 r rcm^/iM.v in 
 iihJ tli« !it\niQ 
 
 II Cliiist. It 
 eii, (inanf of 
 ^lievff ;' and, 
 iiit ; ullowinjj 
 Kn^lish, wIkj 
 not so easily 
 [)f thtMrt were 
 
 to {.MVO it lip, 
 uiess,' (a <}(ic* 
 i> pprsoHM ill 
 :alli;tl it i.'on« 
 ui;U of it, h6 
 thiii» I deny 
 lie one as the 
 DJHst afcusa- 
 ist is impuJe^l 
 bftptizt'ii; nil 
 i&d fubk-; ail 
 )Ought them ; 
 a mere crca- 
 ; th«y belii^vo 
 pouU of ihta 
 mints upon it. 
 iho Ciilviuisin 
 inister. His 
 )ngly to have 
 attempted to 
 !3sed by Uev. 
 ! cotetnpnrary 
 very cmittcnt 
 
 III worka yoa 
 
 ) one referred 
 
 spiritual de« 
 
 us beware ! " 
 
 !tty iVequently 
 
 unacquainted 
 
 jve— auc! this 
 
 expressed in 
 
 {igain. The 
 
 at one of hit 
 
 intertainment. 
 
 [ing over him, 
 
 egan to cry, J 
 
 he use of bep 
 
 !■!(] \va)kj?4 otf, 
 
 coulil cry the 
 
 ;ht. The first 
 
 I gave publie 
 
 to the farthest 
 
 And Fletcher 
 
 hUo frrllcil tUus;— "I fcovc h«'«nl tlitt mctiiru-Uo'y news of many of »nu' brellnx-.i overshootin;? 
 •uV)er aiiil sto:v vrhi-is«i;uiltv iu London (hi; rell'rjj to the «houtinir, eru.i ami other CAhibiiion.l 
 which were mv. ewcd at some ol'lh'.'ir nn-ctings). Oh t" he continues, '• that I could ntund in 
 the gap mid l>v sacrifioln;? mvself shut lhi:< iminenso ubys* ol cnt/nisiasm, ^ '1 h-i corruption ot 
 the best thin;,'H i^ thu v.niil oV corruption." You say fhnt if Mr. t'lctcherV in'xt Liter were 
 ftxaniincd it'tv;!! shew that both In; and hi;' thnrch were HiilVoring frum spiritual declino in 
 lean than thnio munlh.i «hev his tllbrts to direct the Ark of (ind :— thai is to .say. bceau.su he 
 ( Fletcher) ta-itioncd hi:* Ijivll.rou against cnthiisiu' pirilual druuiiht fell upon his thiircU, 
 Who told you this*, Mr. !>.? Have you ruceived u .v!v,datioa IVom hr.-wen upon the subject? 
 liov/ dareyoti put f(uab such Btatenienla to tho v.orid '/ A cauao which ijccd.H euch udvocaej 
 M thin iiiiist br ha^i, 
 
 \ coiuu nc'Nt to vour stricture?* nn Dr. Adam Clarlic, the 'belov.nl di.solplo nf Wesley, 
 from wlio.se C)nunttitiiVy on 1 Corinthians, U, IJ.i, I gave, in one of my hlt.'rs, the followinj; 
 very sensible remnrlcs which he tnakoH on the ubove text— ' l^ir (Jod i,s not tho author of 
 confusion '-.-"LKT NOT TlIK i'KIlSOXS WHO ACT INf THIS J)I.S()KlJEllLY 
 MANNKU, SAY THAT TIIHY AHh: TNUKll Tlli: INFLUKXCK OK (iOD; FOR 
 HK IS NOT TilK AUTHOR OF CONFt'SluN; lUJT TWO t>l! TiliJKi: OR MORE 
 l»Ji\Yl\({ OR TEACHING IN THE SAME i'LM'K AT THE SAME TIME IS 
 CONFI'SION; AND <i()l> IS NOT THE AUTHOR OK SUCH VvOlIK: AND LET 
 MEM HEW.VRE HOW 'ATIEY ATTRIBUTE SUCH IJISORDER TO THE (JOl) OF 
 ORDER AND I'EACE. fllE APOSTLE CALLS SUCH CONDUCT TUMULTS, 
 SEDITIONS; AND SUCH TUEV ARE IN THE SKUlf OF (iOD, AND IN THE 
 SKJUT OF ALL <;ooD MEN. HOW OFTEN IS THE WOlHv OF CiOD MARRED 
 AND DISCREDITED HY THE FoLLY OF MEN! FOR NAlillE WILL ALWAYS. 
 AND SATAN TOO, MINtiLE THEMSELVES AS FAR AS THEV CAN, IN ORDER 
 TO DLSCREDITAND DESTROY IT. NEVERTHELESS. IN (.Rl'.AT REVIVALS 
 OF RELfClO.N, IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO PREVENT WILDFIRE FROM 
 (JETTING IN AMONG THE IRUE FIRE; BUT IT IS THE DUTY OF THE MIN- 
 I.STERSOFGOD TO W^ATCH AGAINST AND PRUDENTLY CHECK THIS, BUT 
 W THEMSELVES ENCOURAGE iT/i'HEN THERE WILL BE CONFUSION AND 
 EVERY EVIL \VoRK.'» 
 
 I thinic the above extract will cominer.d itscdf to all sober and serious Christian.s.^ It 
 doesn't suit you, however, Mr. I>. Y'ou are toi> tinich in love wiih ' dii^or'bM- and confusion' 
 to receive anv l>et!etU from the oxoellent hinLs friveu in it to miiiistcr.s of the go.spcl. This 
 caatioii of Ciu'iKe. yon seem to thiulc might have done uU very woli in the ago and, country in 
 which kc lived ; ' liut »t» ihi.s land an<l age, and ainong another gener.'uion. tlu-y fall to be a 
 Buliicieiit rule, cither for failii or [u-acticcv Au jidiniruble v.'uy, truly, of distuisying the Dr.'s 
 
 te*tiu»ony ! /. i « • 
 
 You wi.sh Toui' readerij to b.'lievc that tho 'uhouting/ 'clapping of hands, 'stamping 
 with the feet,' '*«hi,stling,' and oilier *religiou.s physical denionstralioiis,' witnes.'.ed at tho 
 CAmpmceting, is the work of the Holy Spirit? or. as yon phra.se if, ' the unpfcteuding sim- 
 plicity of babes in C'hrist,' How do yon knov/, sir, that the spirit of God had anything to do 
 with ihe.'JC 'disorderly demonstration's?' Cu-.i you trace the opc.ration.s of the Spirit in any 
 hum.'Vn heart? Can you tell with certainty the cau.se or ciinsos that lead men and women to 
 act in ihiyi manner in reti-ious meetino.s? '*I)V llioir FRUITS.' sanl .Tc.su.s, ' .'dniU ye KNOW 
 them; not EVERY ONE THAT SAifH UNTO Ml-:. L(Mll). LOUD, .shall enter 
 into the Kingdom, liUT HE THAT DoETH THh: WILL OF MY FATHER.' A 
 wicked J(din couh'i sav, 'come v,-ith jnej .see Jiiy zeal for the Lord"! 
 
 My lllble bAU me, Mr, 1)., that the hnmaii heart is DI'^CEITFUL ABOVE ALL 
 THINGS, and d(..sperately wiclicd,' and I bi.li.'ve it. Dnily observation contirnis the truth of 
 Ihe Divine testimony. Many high miii'lcd profes.sov.s of rcli;>ion, fidi of zeal and assurance, 
 with the word.s o; ihe Pliurisee i« their h-nrts. if not in their mouths— Stand by, for 1 am 
 holier than thou— quickly discover llicir true charaetors when ihe probe is applied. ')ne of 
 Iho characteristics of a truly ccnverteil person is a fear lest he should be deceived. Know- 
 ing as he docs, by the teaching of the Holy Spirit, how treacherous his heart is, his prayer is, 
 — ' Se.iirch nio. O <iod, u>\d try m«.' The false professor, on the confrnry, immediately takes 
 fire on any doubt beiig expressed as to the genuineness of hi.s experience. To tell him to 
 rejoice with trembling, to walk cireumsiioclly, to beware of being high-minded, is, in his esti- 
 mation, to insult him, to doubt his Hineority. to disparage the work of the Spirit in him. All 
 the assumed meeknes.l and gentlenes-s of the J^amb is instantly t'lrown ofl' and the ravening 
 wolf, ready to devour you, stands before you with open mouth and grinding teeth. At your 
 
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 r»nifnueeli»i^ •11 wM 'loti »ud h«av<ni* flo w««k, to kind, fo humble I Kwrybrwlf wm 
 
 'brcthir' or ♦ulster.* 'Jli** uppenraHW, liow«»i?r, of *:^p«tt»tor*(»' stri^tMi'i't in ih** iV'»/)/<** 
 J*reia wn„ ili« sijrimJ for lhrowiii|f olF the mask. Kvery Jwoiher * whu could wield «i * ^mi^ * 
 quill rushed into print. The cr/ wii4 fiiiiod fr*»m Uan to Ueersjht'h*, '<>tfr Injititwtioii i« IQ 
 ddugei!' 'i"h« sword wn» drawn, uitd iiiir«it'i»tit»;f war ijroelaitiit'd n|i,nii(i!it tl>e foe, who lt«d 
 with unparalltilfd temerity, teizwd your own gum and lur«»cd lh«m ojriiinst you. Kvorf 
 
 pled — i J r. - • • I L- 
 
 brcuchod the walls uf the doomed fort» which it is a»i!ii|.»tcd wust »oort nurrcudtr t« the 
 numcioiis stormiiijr particii that now nssaul' ill _ ^ ^ 
 
 <* We wonder," you say, " if they arc aware that Camp-mcctiii!;s Jo America took Iheir 
 rise Rmoiij; I'rcsbytcrians." Quite w*;!! awmv, Mr, D.; atid perhapn it may be tdityinif to 
 Tou and your brethren if I communicato a little more authentic in for mat ion on thin point; 
 
 "Durin* the ycnra 1800, 1801, 1802 and l80:i a revival of religion ocnrrud in the 
 ■outhcrn and western sections of Kentucky, or wha* xa peneralty known as the Green Kiver 
 Country." At this time the country was new, ami a mixed mass from all quarters bad 
 pressed into it. The popula;5on was sparsii and widely scattered. The work, at first, rai 
 no douot a glorious work of (i >d's spirit. The calla for njiuisterial labor were so ?reai and 
 extensive that it was iinpossibL to supply the detnand. This circumstance sufjfjesti-d the idea 
 of protracted mectitiffs, that the nruistera mi<?ht have an opportunity of ineetirjj people at ono 
 time and place. There were then »io inissiouariea to go from place to place and preach to 
 the scattered population } and inasmuch as i«o ncighborhoiKl had a population sunici.fnt to 
 support BO oiany people aa assembled on those occasions, this pave rise to Camp meelin;j«. 
 A grove was selected ; a pulpit of wood, or as we generally term it, a stand for the clevjrf 
 was erected. The multitude, who intended to he stationary, located thcujselves with their 
 wa{?on8, carriages or leuts in such places around the Stand as their fancy or couveniciic* 
 dicmtftd. The assembly was often so great that secondary stands were erected, the con«;rC' 
 gation divided, so that three or four preachers were discoursing at he same time, in different 
 parts of the grove. JIany p^irsons *'were strur.k down ' at those cjetinga. And now con* 
 menced the principal mischievous moasures. When any one would become the subject of 
 this bodily exercise, immediat<dy a frroup would collect around him and commence sin^injf, 
 then praying, and then exhorting'; :\\ni as far as the eye could reach there was a continual 
 commotion and confused noise of pnafviiv?, exhorting t.in;5ing, pr.-'yinj? and shouting goin/y 
 on at the same instant. The cxckcd njuitit'ide sr n took the control of the meelinc; out of 
 the hands of the ministers, who now began to consider the pulpit of little account, if any at 
 all. Moreover, if a minister, however evangelical in faith and practice, did not • fully come 
 np to the mark '-~that is, if be expressed any disapprobation, ministereu uiy caution, at* 
 fcv"^n;ed to correct uny extravagance, he was not only set dowu immediately s being hostile 
 to the revival, but even interrupted and preveuted from proceeding iu his discourse by soma 
 of the multitude, wlio commenced singing, praying, shouting, &c., whichever, at the time, was 
 mos:, L^onvenient, by the leaders of such disorder. It was, ultimately, out of this hot bed of 
 wild eiithusiasm and disorder thfi,t there sprung up that fruitful crop of heresy and schism that 
 afterwards assumed the shape as we" as the name of New Lights ^ Sck'nnatics, Marshallites, 
 Unitarians, and Shakers I In consequence of these heresies the Synod of Kentucky lost 
 eiffht cf its members. 
 
 Camp-meetings then, aii you will see, originated in the Presbyterian church, from 
 NECESSITY ; this necessity, at the time perhaps, justified thj measure : and so long aa 
 they were confined to the circumstances which seemed to call for them, were extensively 
 accommodating. The meetings, at first, were awfully solemn ; but when they were extended 
 and adopted in the more populous parts of the country, where they were attended by thou- 
 sands and tens of thousands, induced by every motive, good or bad, together vvith the bad 
 and irregular management of them, they exhibited too much the appearance of disorder and 
 confusion which baffled all description. In referring to some peculiar bodily exercise seen at 
 tht.. meeiirigs, an able and devoted Presbyterian minister says ; — " We were glad when it 
 was gor.e. After all these novelties left us, .he Church, like one enfeebled aud exhausted, 
 sank down into formality and apathy I After she had passed through the fire, she came forth 
 more refined us to doctrine and soundness of faith. But for nearly twent. ears, afterwards, 
 was she without a revival. Blessed be God, however, she has recovered, and her borders 
 have been greatly enlarged, and her stakes strengthened, and we trust in God we will never 
 
,f*ryh<*Af wm 
 
 ieM % * %o*)im ' 
 kvtitutlon 14 in 
 foe, who lt«d 
 jrott. )Mttf 
 -ora liie i>ulpit 
 bvnchi^H, have 
 a utterly crip' 
 las cxtvnativirif 
 (Tcudicr to the 
 
 ricft look their 
 be Cilityinj; to 
 linn i>oiiiti 
 ''iirrud ill the 
 e Green Kiver 
 
 quiircers bad 
 , Ht first, rai 
 
 80 ^rea) n»d 
 [esU'il the ideA 
 ■ people »t omO 
 and preac-U to 
 1 sulHcitfitt to 
 (imp meelinga. 
 for the clevjry 
 ves with their 
 )r cooveittciice 
 ;d, the con<jrc« 
 ne, in difTer^^nt 
 Ind DOW Gom* 
 he subject of 
 jence sinrjln^, 
 i^AS a coiuinuat 
 houtiug goinjj 
 tneeline; out uf 
 3uiit, it' aiij Rt 
 L»t ' fully come 
 iiy caution, at* 
 ; beinj; hostile 
 :ourse by soma 
 t the time, was 
 this hot bed of 
 nd schism that 
 f, Marshallites, 
 KentucUy tost 
 
 church, front 
 nd 60 long aa 
 ;re extensively 
 were extended 
 ended by thou- 
 !r with the bad 
 )f disorder and 
 xercise seen at 
 5 glud ■nben it 
 md exhausted, 
 she came forth 
 *r3, afterwards, 
 nd her bordeM 
 
 we will never 
 
 ■«e and fivl 'luch wwlWr «lwck. lu her *Udi>ui »iid •xperientt!, we behcte luch thinjrs will 
 ncvur fiud f»vor ftud en^ourajferoent •g«jp." (S^e i*riBv«lon IU'tibw fur » fuller Hutory 
 
 oftbc Origin of I'amproeetinjf*.) . ,1,1,,,, 
 
 Such then. Mr. I>., wu* the brief, painful unJ disastrous exp^Tie. co which the Proabyt* 
 
 ritin chtiri'h had of (junpnieetln^s. Douhtles* Tresibytciinua make you hiinrtily welcome to 
 
 the InsJilutioH, which they never ft;:ain desire to aet revived in connection with their church. 
 Hut you usk— "D they al.so know how many thousands uf camp-mectinj,' convert!* hay« 
 
 become etabla CUriatianu, end useful ciiixeua, and have paacefully gona to join the church is 
 
 bceven ?" ...../.. 
 
 No, Mr. L»., I don't. l>o you? Have you searched tl»c archives ol ilcaven to ascertain 
 the numbf^r of oampmeetiitp converts who have gone thither * Or have you had any apeeial 
 ittvchifion uiadc to you on th(j subject? If so. let the world L \ow what it ta ; it can, perhapa, 
 be Msed as a powcrt'ul argument in favor of Camp meetings. 
 
 "And all tbi-i," yon add, "etfecled, without elioitiii? any oflicial complaints from the 
 iWAfftsiracy or other otUcera of the peace respecting any accompanying increase of crime or 
 dcmornlixaticm." 
 
 T(»HACCO, KbJBKKS, Ac, to the promiscuous crowds that visited the Cam^^ground. 
 To lhi» vou reply: "the mercantile transactious in eatables, Ac, on thic SAiinATU, 
 •u far AS COUNTKNANCKL) BV THE CHUKCir, I avowedly dcno -. and ardently 
 hope to .ve them at once and forever discontinued, firmlv believiiior that tlie absence of those 
 THl'S INDlllECTIiY ATTRACTKD TO TflK MKHTINO, is more desirable than their 
 presence, and WOULD PROMO'l'K TIIH HAFETY of bulfalo robes, &c., TEND TO 
 SECUllE THE QUIETUDE SO DESIRABLE in the circle of public worship. Ilonce 
 were Sabbath cntevtainments only allowed as freely provided in private tents for private 
 Ijnesta, ruHUO LOAKKUS WOULD HAVE LESS fJROVELINCJ ATTRACTIONS! !I and 
 be the n.ore quickly compelled to retire, and THE CHURCH WOULD AVOID even the 
 appearance of FURNISHINCJ A iMJCA FOR SAHRATH DESECRATION." The 
 interence from all which is, that the Camp-meeting was the cause or occasion of a vast amount 
 of immorality ; which was just the thing stated by ' Spectktor ' in his letter?, and fo. stating 
 which he has raised a hornet'* nest about his ears— all ©f them armed with long, venomoua 
 tlings ! 
 
 If it was covetousncss that actuated the sinners outside the Campground, to open their 
 groceries and rum-shanties on the Sabbath day, what were the motives which induced the 
 »aints inside to open their shop? Were they too poor or too stingy to give a slight refresh- 
 ment to persons who had come from a distance, but had brought no provision with t' -^m? 
 
 Vou ask, 'BUT IS IT ANY WORSE FOR US TO DO EVIL THAT GOOD 
 MAY COME THAN FOR THEM?' I! I 
 
 Your letter, Mr. D., furnishes abundant evidence that your standard of morality is not 
 ▼cry high; but 1 was hardly prepared to meet with anything qjite so low as this in your scale ! 
 Had I met the above in a code of morals adopted by a community of rogues or thieves, I 
 should not have been surprised ; but that a professing Christian and religious teacher of the 
 people should have the unblushing effrontery to p.dvocate such a principle in a newspaper, is 
 both painful and alarming. It is high time, Mr, L»., that the friends of Bible religion, should 
 sound the alaim; and, if possible prevent the diffusion of such a diabolical morality among the 
 people. The following will illustrate your principle : B. stole a horse, but being caught in 
 the act, was brought before a magistrate. ' Your Honor,' said he in his defence, * I acknow- 
 ledge 1 stole the horse; but then, my neighbor A. not long ago L^ole a sheep I and is it any 
 worse for me to steal than for him ! He stole the sheep to provide for Lis starving family — I 
 stole the horse to carry me to meeting. 1 c'aira, therefore, that my act was justifiable, and I 
 hope your Squireship will see it in the same light!!! 
 
 Tliu celebrated Rowland Hill was visited on one occasion by a person, who professed to 
 be troubled wiih doubts as to the aulheniicity of some purlions of the Scripluiea. * Do yuu 
 believe the Ten Commandments?' asked Mr. H. * No,' was the reply. At the close of the 
 interview, and when taking leave of his visitor, Mr. Hill called to his servant— ' John 1 hero 
 jg a gentleman who doesn't believe in the Ten Commandments ; keep a sharp eye on the 
 things in the hall till he is fairly out into the street' I 
 
 It would not be safe, Mi. D., to allow persons with such morals to go at large. If yoMr 
 
24 
 
 abo.Tiinab!o pna.':ln1o were, universally, nctod on for a slnglo hour, this woi-lcl would be con- 
 verted into n very bell. No man would bo safe a moment from spohation, robbery or 
 
 murder ! /^ • o 
 
 Is this the kind of morality taught at Camp-meetings? , ,. , , ., ,. . 
 
 " And id there," you usk agnin, "no ovil in their elForts to demolish the spocinl worship ot 
 God by cxit^'A' rations, misrepresentations, and derision V^' Voa mean 1 suppose. Mr. i>., to 
 sav "th'it Cmdo tn-elin<A-i are special oecasiona fur iho worship of (.led ; and that bpeclator 
 and' othrr.-5 are tryin;,' bf cxa^-erations, &c., to put them down." 'fo put them down because 
 thor arc 'si-ociAl occasions' for the worship (.f God, would, Mr. D.. be very wieked ; 
 and the attempt would be as siHv as wicked. 'Spectator' wouM have them diseonlmued 
 heoaicK thev are the occasion, if rot the cause, of a vast amount ol immorality. W hen the 
 apostle Paul (Acts 19: 8, 9) found that his teachings in th- ayn:i:.r .-i-.-- ot bphwus drew to- 
 gether crowds of oppo.w-r., who L^poke evil of the reli-iun he tau.LWu before iho multitude, ne 
 prudently ' separated the disciples,' and withdrevv into another part oi the city : lollowmsr his 
 own admirable rule, ' Let not your good bo evil spokjn of;' do n-.t make .such a use ot your 
 Christian liborlv lU to subject the gosp; 1 its.df to reproach. "Vv luitsoevvr ye clo, do it m such 
 a manner, spiri't iMuUimo, as to make it productive of the greatest good 1 here are many 
 jfho have such an unhapoy method of doing their good acts, as not omy to do ittle or no 
 good by them, but a -reatdeal of evil. It recpiires- much Christian pni. once and watchtul- 
 noss to iind out the proper mode of porforminr even a good action.' i his law oi Christian 
 orudencc was most paipuhlv set aside at vonr Camp-meeting. 
 
 *' Suppose," you siiy, 
 
 •it were roa'.iv d<-.ing God servic;' to remove llie u'.stitution ol Camp- 
 
 meeting from oV,r favored land, yet in ro.pect to their wny ot n.'movuig it we bog 'hem to 
 r--omber their o^v.l words: ' (h-^ cud icili 'nevcv jasUfy the meun^ ; 2V3 mwj not do cvU that 
 
 (Ivod mill/ I'UW.Cl' ' T • • • r n 
 
 Byvdiat n.-ans, Mr. D., does Spectator propose 'to remove the mstiiution ol Camp- 
 meotim-'?' Just by the same means which yon. ti minister of the gospel, employ every 
 Sabbath 'day to bring men to repentance— moral suasion I Spectator would enlighten the 
 «ftonle— cret'thein to read the Scriptures ■ more— pohit out to them, on all (illmg occasions, 
 ihe serious evik; occasioned by such mecniiig^-teach them that religion must >clnrd,uo\. 
 merely taltitd and shouted at extraordinary relioious meetings— thai tho hie oi Crori lu a man a 
 soul is to be promoted, not by mere spasmodic efforts, but by dady prayer, vn. (iitation on 
 God's word.: continual watchfulness against sin of every kind, and by acts ot sdtdenial— in a 
 word, by ' AL\VAYS abomidiug la the work of the Lord.' Atiythmg exceptionable, Mr. U., 
 
 ill these means ? • i. <. i r 
 
 The following paragraph is not very luminous. _ I . its construction you set ..t aefaancc 
 
 all the rules of Grammar and Composition. Here it is :— ^ n u • i • 
 
 'A Spectator's lamentations about liquor-seUing, iiiteraperance, etc., would be jus m 
 place if he oulv sorrowed with a godly sorrow, instead of apparently exultinjr, when Uieir 
 prosecutiou failed, who succeeded in defaming the me>=ting in this way, while some in pries.l)^ 
 habiliments wore anxious to defame it by ministerial striotures, evideutly j.'ulous because mosv 
 of their hearers dared to go out and worship God in the great congregation. ^ 
 ■ I would srviouslv advise vou, Mr. D., before you venture out m print again, to take a iew 
 lessons in Eii-li..h Composition. It mi-ht assist you materially in putting your meaning more 
 clearly bcfore\-our readers. I have had the lieadache, several times, while trying to disen- 
 tangle vour idJlis from the mass of verbiage in which they are olton coucea led. i our sen 
 
 aus 
 
 tences'and paragraphs are often as dark and vague as the riddles ot the Sphinx, i erh . 
 the followi'M'- traiulallon will make vour meaning more evident to your readers, who must, 1 
 am sure, lia^e been often sorely puzzled in the perusal of your letter, 'to know what the man 
 was drivin'- at it:'— -The lamentations of Spectator about liquorselling and intemperance at 
 the Camp-meeting, would be very appropriate, if they were only sincere; but he la evideiitly 
 glad that the prosecution against'the Liquor Sellers failel." (The next clause, who succeeded 
 iu defaming the meeting in this way,' 1 must leave untranslated, as I do not know to whom 
 the 'who' refers, whether to the Liquor-sellers, to those who had commenced the prosecution 
 ?\crainst them, or to somebody else.) The remaining clause may be read thus :— ' There were 
 some arrayed in priestly habiliments who were anxious by their observations on the proceed- 
 ings of our Camp meeting, to bring it into disrepute, evidently jealous because most of their 
 kettFct':* diitxti to go out aiid vvorsbip God in oar great cnngre-jatrOtK 
 
 In ret-ai'd to my exulting when the prosecution failed, &c., I quote from my last letter 
 the observations I made on the subject, leaving tho public to judge whether Ihero is anything 
 ia thaSG obaerratious to warrant your strictures :— 
 
 I 
 
m 
 
 ivould be con- 
 1, robbery or 
 
 inl worship of 
 se. Mr. 1)., to 
 at ' Spectator' 
 
 down because 
 very wicked ; 
 1 discontinued 
 ,'. Wh(m the 
 lesus drew to- 
 
 iniiltit.ude, iio 
 
 lollowinjr hia 
 a n.se ot' your 
 ', do it in such 
 ere are many 
 do little or no 
 
 and watc-hful- 
 w of Christian 
 
 ition of Camp- 
 1 hc'^ (hem to 
 loi do ceil that 
 
 lion of Camp- 
 employ every 
 cnliirhtcn the 
 iniT occasions, 
 il be licfd, not 
 Tod in a man's 
 mi'ditation on 
 Ifdenial — in a 
 )nable, Mr. D., 
 
 set ..t defiance 
 
 luld be just in 
 n,<T, when their 
 ome in priestly 
 3 because most 
 
 n, to take a few 
 meaninij more 
 tryni^ to disen- 
 ed, Your seii- 
 linx. Perhaps 
 s, who must, I 
 V what the man 
 iitemperanco at 
 he is evidently 
 ' who succeeded 
 know to whom 
 the prosccutioa 
 : — ' There were 
 on the proceed- 
 ;c most of their 
 
 1 my last letter 
 licro is anything 
 
 i 
 
 • Indeed, I have been informed, though I do not vouch for the correctness of my informa- 
 tion, that the reason why the prosecution ajrainst those who sold liijuor on (heocc«8.on r*,- 
 ferred to, was dropped, was, that in the event of the liquor selloi-i being lined, they intcnd|rf 
 to prosecute the Society for selling provisions contrary to law, on the camp ground on tM 
 
 Sabbaih day.' • i u u-r tit*' 
 
 Who, Mr. D., are the persons to whom you refer as 'arrayed m pnefetiy ftftbiliraenw .^ 
 As Spectator is not in the habit of adorning his person with any kind of ' priestly vestmftnts-, 
 not even with the ministerial ' white choker,' it is hardly possible that you can refer to Uim. 
 Whoever they were, they were jealous because many of their hearers went out to your Camp- 
 ineetin.r to worship God in the great congregation. How do you know, Mr. D., that Ihey 
 went out to worship God ? Hundreds of church-going people went out to your meeting rafcreij 
 from motives of curiosity. Some went, because they had never been to a Camp meeting, and 
 not ft few, ' to verify scandalous rumors ' which were afloat respecting it. Had you the vanity 
 to think, Mr. D., that vour ' popular gift' drew the people from all parts of the surronodinjf 
 country to Yokom's bush? I am not aware that there are any ministers m or around Wel- 
 land that are at all jealous of vour popularity, or who labor under any apprehension that yoiir 
 superior powers of eloquence mav draw away their congregations after you. 1 think, Mr. U., 
 vou sli<ditly over rate your capabilities in this respect, as I am sure you do the tavor witli 
 which, you think, the public generally regard your peculiar 'institution. It would correct 
 some of vour erroneous notions on these points, were you to have some free conversation ahout 
 your late Camp-meeting, with some of those congregations which you say went to worship 
 God in your great meeting. 
 
 I hope, Mr. D., the public will note the following paragraph :— j , .i, 
 
 " The assertions attributed to the Preacher respecting deaths at Chippawa, and to the 
 E.xhorter respecting his wife's sister, are simply untrue, neither of them is the assertion m»d« 
 
 at the meeting." . 
 
 The statement, I made in my letters, respecting the above, is as follows:— 
 "I heard one of their preachers state that four or fire individuals, who resided in the Vil- 
 Ia«»e of Chippawa, had been suddenly swept into eternity, because they had discountenanced 
 or"oi)posed a protracted meeting which he, the preacher, had held there some time ago. An- 
 other exhorter stated that his wife's sister had beei struck dumb and had not spoken for years 
 because she had made some remark of a disparaging kind on witnessing his (the preacher a) 
 wife under ' the power.' I could not help thinking, as these men sought, by such recitals M 
 the above, to alarm the fears of their hearers, and thus induce th^m to take refuge within the 
 ♦prayintr circle,' of the words of the Saviour, 'Suppose ye that these Galileans were sinners 
 above all the Galileans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, nay ; but, except y« 
 repent, ye shall all likewise perish.' " , , , , j * 
 
 You boldly assert that the above is false ; but, afraid lest you should be pressed too 
 closely on the point, vou leave a back door open, by which you can conveniently escap* 
 from the unpleasant situation in which such a shameless assertion is likely to place you 
 with the public. You immediately add, 'neither of them AVERE THE ASSLIinON 
 MADE.' This is worthy of a disciple of the renowned Ignatius Loyolal (This personage, 
 Mr. D., founded the Order of Jesuits, who believe that it is lawful to lie, for the benefit of th« 
 Church.) Your paragraph when put into plain English would read thus :—" Spectator, in 
 his 'strictures' on the Camp meeting, has related two facts, whi-h were communicated to some 
 three or four hundred persons on the Camp ground by two of r preachers, but he has not 
 related them circnmsianiiaW/, or as they were narrated to the people. The facts are correctly 
 given, but not the attending circumstances." I did not pretend, in relating these facts, Mr. 
 D., to enter with circumstantial minuteness into details. To have related in a newspaper the 
 facta above referred to, as the preachers related them, would have occupied nearly a column 
 of the paper. Do you believe, Mr. D.— do any of your readers believe -- that Spectator 
 invented these facts, and put them into the newspaper, for the purpose of bringing yoar 
 'favorite institution' into disf^ivor with the people? Do you deny, Mr. D., that two ot your 
 preachers related the fticts referred to in my letter? Do you deny that they related these 
 facts for the purpose of impressing the minds of their hearers with the idea that the deaths ot 
 these individuals were divine judgments, and in order tO induce them to come forward int» 
 the praying circle? Answer, Mr. D., and without prevarication. Let th«' public know the 
 ■facts, fully, fairly and honestly. ^ _ . , . -.v i 
 
 It regard to the tea-meeting which was held in the house ot one of rav fnenas in tv tj- 
 land,' you have, in the same Jesuitical way, left a door of escape for yourself, should you em 
 be questioned— which T think it is likely you will— an to the statement you have rtiade ; *n€ 
 
1 rel«r to it a|/ain Dial your reader's mav i!oe to whut dishoiic-si shifu you ar« drW«u la extri- 
 cate yourself f om a false position. Vou say, * IF it, should happen, at any suob service, tlml 
 the house should be too sniaU, and the fair youiU ahould retire to the hotel, &c,, take 8upp«r 
 
 and have a dance,' kc. ..,,.» .^ , . 
 
 Why did you make this hypothetical statement at all, Mr. U.? Does this tea-meetin|; 
 legitimately enter into your defence of Camp meetincjs? or is it any reply to my arguments? 
 Neither, Mr. I). You "wished your readers to believe a lie for the purpose of damaging Spec* 
 tutor in the estimation of the public. You wished them to believe that Spectator attended ft 
 tea mooting in the heuse of a member of the Bapiisl Church ; thu» during the evening, with 
 Spectator's' knowledge and ai)probatioii, a number of young persons present adjourned to ft 
 Hotel, had supp(;r. and afterwards a dance. This is precisely the impression you wished 
 to make. But if charged willi having uttered a gross and wicked falsehood, you are prepared, 
 by entrenching yourself behind an If, to resist the charge. 'O I di«ln't dale this, I said 
 IF so and so WAS THE CASE'Jli Do you think, Mr. l>., that this dextrous manoeuvra 
 will save your conduct from the ju.<l and well merited reprobaiiun of all honesty men? No, 
 sir. Is this what you call the unpretending simplicity of a l«ab(! it> Christ? You and youc 
 brethren take groat pains to impress the pef)ple with th-^ idea that Spectator is an enemy to 
 revivals of reliirion — that he disparatres the work of ihti Holy Spirit— and that he has not one 
 particle of religi')n about him. I am afraid, Mr. I)., if you go on writing after this fashion, 
 you will convince a gooil many minds that you have got but a very small .share of religion or 
 moral principle. The guu you have aitued at me, will, iii its recoil, damage you ten thou* 
 sands more than it can or will tl:uiia:re mt*. 
 
 You proceed to say—'* Spectator fuiiher says, * 1 ilo not remember that the preachers at 
 the Camp'tneeting ever referred to Christ or his Gospel.' We caunot affirm what or how 
 much he does remember." , 
 
 I did say so, Mr. L>. I said that on the occas-ion referred to, nothing was said in my 
 hearing which would have been of any use to a sinner asking the question, 'what must I do 
 to be s"aved ?' Do you call relating a number of vulgar anecdotes preaching the Gospel ? I 
 gave, in my lettt-r, a specimen of the kind of preaching to which 1 listened. Was that the 
 Gospel? I did not sav, Mr. D., that during the eight or nine days and nights the meetinjt 
 was held, no part of the Gospel was preached. I spoke of what was said in MY HEARING, 
 on the occasion referred to. And I solemnly assert that, if I know anything of the Gospel, 
 U was not preached in my hearing on the evening in tiuestion, and I was withio earshot 01 
 the speakers for tiearly two hours, 
 
 " Those who were there know that Christ was preached in all his ofTices/* I am very glad 
 to know it : and I most cheeriully proclaim the fact to all who may road this letter: and witb 
 equal readiness I add to yours the testimony of a friend, who was present one evening, au4 
 heard, as he stated to me, an excellent discourse from one of your preachers. 
 
 But you sav, '" If there be falsehood (iu my starement that the gospel was not preached 
 in my hearinjr) it is in this case not unto men but unto God. God forbid that Spectator 
 should like Ananias fall a victim of judgment, may he rather be smitten like a Saul or Tah* 
 aus, that like him he may afterward' arise and wash away his sins, calling upon the name 
 of the Lord." ds •;>■). 
 
 I shall not comment on this. My answer to it will be found in Luke 9: 54, 55:— "And 
 when his disciples James and John saw this they said, Lord wilt thou that we command 6re 
 to come down froin heaven, and consume them. But he turned and rebuked them, and said, 
 Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of,'' &c. 
 
 In reply to the ne-st paragraph, In which a de.sperate effort is made to shew that I hav« 
 contradicted myself twice in my strictures on the Camp meeting, your object being transparent 
 enough, viz : to make your readers believe that the statements I have put before the public ar« 
 utterly unreliable. It is an unfortunate circumstance for you and your friends, Mr. D., that 
 there were so many reliable witnesses on the ground, who arc ready to confirm the truth o} 
 every statement I have made. But, suppose I had contradicted myself half a dozen times, 
 what then ? Would your position with the public have been, on that account, improved ? Not 
 a bit of it, Mr. D. Here is your letter before the world ; the greater, and what you, doubtle.is, 
 esteem the most important part of it, reproduced in mine, and which, in consequence, will 
 now be read by hundreds, who otherwise would never have seen it ; here, I say, is your letter 
 purporting to bo a ^review' of my strictures on your Camp meetiuir — which, however, ,so far 
 as a review is concerned, is very much like the story of Robinson Crusoe and his man Friday, 
 with Crusoe and Friday l«ft out in the cold. To a person of intelligence, entirely unac- 
 qaainted with the facts of the oase, and having no bias either way, a pernsal of your letter 
 
 I 
 
 i 
 
I 
 
 L'tveu itt extri* 
 
 i service, tlml 
 ., take 8upp«r 
 
 Is tea-tneetini* 
 y ftrgumentjT 
 mftginof Spec* 
 or attended ft 
 evening, with 
 }jo4irned to ft 
 1! you wished 
 are prepared, 
 Ue this, { said 
 us manoeuvre 
 it men ? No, 
 Vou and your 
 an enemv to 
 le has not one 
 r thin fashion, 
 of religion or 
 you tea thou* 
 
 e preachers at 
 what or ho<r 
 
 as said in ny 
 'hat must I da 
 he Gospel ? I 
 Was that the 
 Ls the meetinjj 
 V HEARING, 
 of the Gospel, 
 hin earshot ot 
 
 I am very g1a4 
 alter : and witU 
 e evening, ftu4 
 
 i not preached 
 that Spectator 
 Saul ok Tah* 
 
 ipou the namd 
 
 54, 55 :— "And 
 
 ! coraniand 6rQ 
 them, and said, 
 
 lew that I hav9 
 
 ling transparent 
 e the public ara 
 lis, Mr. D., that 
 ■in the truth o} 
 a dozen times, 
 m proved ? Not 
 b you, doublles«, 
 )nsequence, will 
 ly, is your letter 
 however, ,so far 
 his mail Friday, 
 , entirely unac- 
 il of vour letter 
 
 ' 
 
 would hi m.fftti. Mt t.,iM«v;«M»r ).im lh«t >o« had *» 1*1 en.- in l.aMd. mA that t<w »t« a ino» 
 unskilful advocate. Vour letter begins v.lth a IbUw utafrment, ftnd I tear «mis wUh one. At 
 tUo very threshold, you lead your reader* to expect that tiiey are lo t^ <'^^!l'f,^J^,.':,^y;?,Jf,?^'" J 
 atatem^nt.s. You put tip in front of your shop, in very lejiibh. .-baracfers, ' Uih .SI Kit 1 1 KK.> 
 RE VIEWED ' ! t ! but when vour rea.lers walk in, they fiwl nothing but «-mpty boxes I ^o- 
 hodv could tell, from -A-hat yon have written, what the character ot the *«fri(ture3 is. XMo, 
 Mr'D VOLT OARE NOT REVIEW MY STATEMENTS! Had you taken them up m 
 iet'ail, as I have done yours, you would, at once, have exposed the ^nakedness ot the land, the 
 rottenness of vour cause, iiesidcs, you are quite well aware, tbouoh vow t«iRft ignorance of 
 the fact, that Spectator was not the only witness of th« scenes which he has described in his 
 letter Yon knew when writing, that there were hundreds of credible witnesses oi» the ground, 
 who had vou taken up my statements in detail, would have seen, at a glance, the real state 
 of the case. You found it, iheivfore, the safest course, at lh« very commeneement of your 
 letter, to inform vour readers that my strictures were • mainly composed ot exaggerations, 
 untruths, misrepresentations at.d vile .sarcasms against the unpretend.ng sjmplicity ot babes 
 in Christ.' Verv much like a lawyer, who, before the witness in the box nas begun to give 
 bis testimony, should thus address the bench :-' My Lord, the witness «t» ih* stand is » great 
 liar-he has been known to perjure himself; I hope, therefore, your Urdsh.p will uot lieli.ve 
 
 Ooc word he savs!' . ,,, .ta.t*i.o j 
 
 In the next paragraph vou put the followin? qnestmns ironically:— * But ivho is he? and 
 what is his character ? He ought to tell us. Why conceal the name of the author ot sworn 
 veracities ?' You knew, before vou began to write your letter, who • Spectator w. W hile 1 
 did not wish to parade mv name before the public, 1 had no desire to conceal it. The Editor 
 ©f the Press was instructed to give it up to any responsible pant desiring it. I shall never 
 attempt, while I live, to shoot' any man down, from Ix^hind a hedge? and 1 shal always 
 fndeavor to make no statement respecting any person or institution, which I should after- 
 wards be ashamed to own. You take great pains, however, to i.,iorm the public that you are 
 the author of the five columns of matter whivh appesir in the Peoj>le s riesa of the 2J.h ult. 
 You were afraid, I suppose, that without your proper signature, somebody. c«vious ot the 
 honor of writing such an ex:raordinary document, might claim to be its author. \ ou, there- 
 fore, settle tHe point of authorship bv exhibiting your signature at lull length; and lest you 
 should be confounded with some other person of the same name, you give the name ot your 
 plac-e of residence, and the day of the month when this powerful defence <>f Camp mej-tings 
 issued from the * Pastor's Rest'! it would have been nearer the truth had you closed your 
 ' Defence ' with these words :— * The above was wiiiten by J. Draper & Co. t H -,.,., 
 
 But you ask, 'What is his character?' Allow me to refer you to the above tirm! If 
 further references are needed, apply to » * Worshipper,' (see St. Catharines Jovrnal or the 
 Welland Press,) or to anv of the * brethren and sisters' who look an active part in the t>amp. 
 raeeting. I am confident that any of these will, at ftuy moment, and to any person applying 
 for it, cheerfully give me a character. (?) ..,.,., i jt i a 
 
 In winding up your long, tedious, lortnous letter, which, * J'^** « *«»««;7 «"^^^^^^^ 
 its slow length along,' yon say, "Spectator frankly toufesses tluU what ibe 1*0 WEU is he 
 does not pretend to know." , 
 
 Mr. D., I have frequently heard of the 'power* in c-onuectton witli Camp-meetings, but 
 to this day I am in utter itrnorancc of what is meant by the phrase. I have repeatedly 
 ftsked for an explanation fi^m some of your brethren; but they seemed aft mucu in the 
 dark on the subject as mvself. I hca d one of your preachers say that wheti a person re- 
 ceived the power, he ' was' overwhelmed with the glory ff God.' It struck mr at the time, 
 that he would have been 'hard put to it,' had he been asked to explam himself. Others say 
 that when a person is perfectly sanctified be receives the power. Others again, that the 
 * power' strikes down all who receive it. None of vour preachers or people have ever been 
 ftble to give me an intelligent answer to the question, - What u the * power' ?" And if I am 
 destined ever to get light upon the subject, it must be from some other quarter. Had 1 been 
 told that the 'power' is only another name tor 'regeneration,' or 'getting religion, or the 
 pardon of sin. or sanctiHcation, or spiritual illumination, I think I could have understood the 
 explanation; but when a person talks to me about being ♦overwhelmed with the glory of 
 God,' I confess I have not the least comprehension of what he means. Paul, indeed, speaks 
 ef thoHft who 'havf. ft form, of Godliness, but deny the POWER thereof.' But the 'power 
 to which Paul refers in this text, is a very different thing from the 'power ^ which is said to 
 be received at Camp meetings. I am inclined to the belief that, had the power of which the 
 Apnptle speaks, been jfeneralW received Kv th«» pcrsann wh« fftrlieipated !♦» the religioim ser 
 
29 
 
 liMM of ^ur tate in««ttiiK io lK« bush, ibcre wotttd hav« been no oteAston for * Spectator/ or 
 
 •aybotly «l»e, * writiHg vile sarcasms' against 'the unpretending simplicity of babeB in Christ.* 
 " FiiiaJly," you remark, " Speetatoi regards ihe gospel us too tsune a subject for Camp* 
 meetings and their designs." In many cases, I fear, this is too true. To the introduction of 
 an anecdote into a *trmor» to illustiato a point, or to enforce a trulh, there can be no possible 
 objection ; but when, ts is often the case at such meetings, the staple of the addresses consist* 
 of anecdotes in which the 'awful and horrible' predominate— lht« object being to operaite on 
 the fears of the hearers and to induce them to *comc forward' into the prayer circle— then 
 a sin is aoi oal/ <0»iBitUj4 agaiusl good iajt«, but against the souls of those who have com« 
 
 to hear. » . . 
 
 Ona of your preacheri, at a protracted meeting held at some distance from Ibis p}a««, 
 occupied, one evening, jiearly half an hour in telling his audience an anecdote about a Dutch- 
 man's daughter who was dying iti a stale of impenitence. She remained appiu-ently uiitnoyed, 
 flotwithstanding all that could be said lo her by godly parents and relatives. Her winding, 
 sheet was brought and spread out before her, in the hope that a sight of her grave-clothe* 
 might afiFect her heart. But this too failed. Her coflin was next brought and placed by hef 
 bedside; but neither (he * mournful spectacle' of weeping friends, nor the sight of her Cf)ffiil 
 «jid shroud, could draw tears of penitence from her eyi-s. She died without hope I Th« 
 preacher of course dwelt with great circumstantiality on each feature of the case, some of th« 
 young in the congregation listening apparently in a state of terror r.s he proceeded in his 
 detail. On descending from the pulpit, he walked up the aisle to a friend of mine who hap> 
 pened to be present, remarking * that ihey were enjoying a good time— that ihe Lord wat 
 present with them.' ' I hope so,' said my friend, * but why don't you preach the Gospel to 
 these pool sin-ers ?' The preacher was evidently taken aback. * Didn't I preach the gospel T 
 he asked with some signs of embarrassment. • You did not,' said my friend ; ' you liave been 
 relating u long yarn about a Dutchman's daughter.* *0,' said he, 'but I didn't beli*jve tU« 
 story.' * Then so much tb« worse,' replied my friend. The preacher was «videutly discon* 
 eerted, and walked away. 
 
 This will illustrate my point, Mr. D. 
 
 You appear to think that a person who undertakes ' to verify a scandalous rnmor, can« 
 not ba a Christian. This is rather a novel doctrine 111 To verify a rumor or report, whether 
 scandalous or otherwise, is to confirm or establish it by examination or competent evidence, 
 'Will not,' you say, 'the conclusions of such a Spectator '—that is, one who has 'verified' 
 scandalous rumors—' excite cither the admiration or disgust of true Christians of every deno* 
 mination.' I really feel ashamed to reply to such nonsense. Turn, Mr. D., to the 108th 
 page of your Book of Discipline. You will find stated there, ' The method of proceeding 
 ftgainst an ACCUSED Travfcling Minister or Preacher.' ' But if the ACCUSED be a Pre- 
 aiding Elder, three of the senior preachers SHALL INQUIRE INTO THE CHARACTER 
 OF THE REPORT ' ! ! ! Several persons HEARING SCANDALOUS REPORTS rea- 
 pecting the sale of intoxicating drinks, &c., near the Campground, took the trouble to 
 VERIFY THESE RUMORS, AND HAVING VERIFIED THEM, commenced a pro- 
 socution against the parties, which prosecution, as you are aware, was dropped. When th« 
 RUMOR reached your ears, that 1 was the author of the strictures, did you or any of your 
 brethren seek lo VERIFY THE RUMOR ? Do tell us, Mr. D.; and if you did, are you aot 
 iUraid that your conduct may excite the disgust of true Christians of every denomination? 
 
 I heard ' scandalous rumors' from many quarters, about your Camp meeting, but I wat 
 unwilling to believe them, until I should VERIFY them. But for doing this I am charitably 
 told tlMkt I am ' no Christian ' ! ! 1 Well, Mr. D., if I have 'got no religion,' you will at leaat 
 admit, I think, that I possess no inconsiderable share of patience and condescension— patienc* 
 to. wade through such a mass of rubbish, in order to find argument or common sense,-— conda* 
 scensioa to stoop so low as to answer such ridiculous twaddle. 
 
 You think there is a probability that some pious souls may be inspired witb pllf ' *•• 
 ana who with the SAME PEN makes an effort to VERIFY scandalous rumors/ 
 
 This» Mr. D., is unmitigated nonsense ! 
 
 These are your closing words :— " Fabewrll, dear Reader t B^OLLOW AFTER 
 CHARITY" in This piece of 'farewell' advice reminds me of a certain clergyman, wbtt 
 was rather loose in his morals, and is reported to have said on one occasion, from thepulpiti 
 ' Don't, daaa I do, but do as I tell you.' If your readers follow your exampl'^ Mr. D., they 
 certainly cannot follow your advice : the one is utterly at variance with the other, as any od« 
 ijiHiy perceive viiho reads your letter. 
 
 ' Chafity,' Mr. D,, is a much abused and much misapplied term. Thosa prate tke mo<< 
 
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Spectator/ or 
 
 bes in Christ.* 
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 m this pb«*| 
 
 bout a Dutch* 
 ritly uiitnoved, 
 Her winding* 
 praveclothe* 
 placed by hef 
 I of her coffin 
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 ceeded in his 
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 I't belitjve ib« 
 ideutly discoa* 
 
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 eport, whether 
 tent evidence, 
 has 'verified' 
 of every deno* 
 , to the 108th 
 of proceeding 
 ED be a Pre- 
 HARACTEB 
 EPORTS r««. 
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 sion~-patienc» 
 sense,— cond«* 
 
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 •r dmrity wlio •» noet co»eeni«<i to bide tbeir evil «le«(U from tlie llgbt. None are more 
 loud ill their praise and recommendations of this h«avenly virtue than those religious profes- 
 sors whose 'walk and conversaliou' are furthest from gospel purity and gospel upriphttass. 
 If Tou barely hint at their plarin? inconsistencies, your mouth is njstantly ahut by a lecture on 
 the excellent virtues t.f •iharity.' If you wish tu drag villany or venality into the light— jf 
 YOM desire to unmask bypocrisy or imposture, or to expose to the public {jaze wickedness of 
 in/ kind, you are told to have eharity. * Charity, my dear sir; pray have chanty. Ihe 
 teoundrei who under a eloak of religion cheats me out of my property, or seeks to rob me of 
 BIT character, will when retributive justice is on his track, cry out the loudest, I'oilow alter 
 t-harily!' It is a pity that those who talk so muth about charity, and who recommend its 
 practice so stron^'ly to others, should themselves be so glaringly deficient in this virtue. For 
 the last two moruhs, I have been the subj«ct of the grossest and foulest abuse ; because I 
 bave dared to expose the demoralizing sctfiiea witnessed at your late Campraeeting. Every 
 means has been resorted to, in public and private, to lower mc m the public estimation. 
 Some of your alli.>s cannot speak of tne in connection with your Camp meeting, without 
 utteriB'' ft VOLLEY OF OATHSIII while others, who would not be guilty of swcarin?, 
 attempt to .iiieer ijr laugh or lie me down. * Filled with wrath and all uncharitableness, 
 some of your preachers have even attacked me from ihe pulp-'. I am represented as an 
 emissary of Satan, Oi>e amiable individual said, the other day, that if all the devils in hell 
 bad been let Itwse, they couldn't have done nore mi»ehi«.f. A meek :'.nd humble Wor- 
 shipper ' tells me that I am a narrow-minded, sectarian bigot, and excommunicates me from 
 the society of the faithful with a * Get thet- behind me, Satan"! The quiet sisters think 1 
 bave no religion about me ; others that I am a dangerous man. Some dub me a Pharisee, 
 some a scoffer, some an infidel, while the nac Editor of the Feopk's iV«M, follow* in thn 
 Kar to say ' Amen ' to the pious utter.tntes of the * brethren and sisters.* 
 
 I have wo doubt but these 'Christ like' souls, who are exceedingly anxious that the pub- 
 lic should believ« that they bear the image of Him, who when he was reviled, reviled not 
 again, would, if they could, send Spectator to the Penitentiary, to spend the remainder of hi« 
 days in solitary confinement. » ♦ . n 
 
 In the nine verses of doggerel poetry which yoo append to your letter, which like a 
 rapped regimc«U brings up the rear of your five heavy, motley columns of horse, foot and 
 artillery, you make Spectator thus soliloquize :— 
 
 "' N* plaeo ft* reflection •!— I'm fllleil wltli distrscliiw; 
 
 I wondur tlio people could Inar for to stay. , 
 
 '" "' Tl,o nion they were bawling; thu women were «(iuaIUogf 
 
 •' ■ > '• I wonder, for my part, how any could pray. 
 
 ^ Such horrid confusion !~-if this Ih! reli!;ion, 
 
 ' .J Sure it 's something new, that has never boeo »«ca: 
 
 "■- " '• ' • Por the sacrod pa^es, which speak of all ajres. 
 
 Do nowhere decl.ire that such ever has been." 
 
 P«rHips iKe following scenes, witnessed by hundreds on the Camp ground, may have set 
 Spectator musing as above:— A good brother, after praying for a considerable time with 
 great vehemence, fell over. After lying for some time on the ground, he got up to hia fee?, 
 and said that he had now got entihb sANCTiriCATioN—that he had kept back part of the 
 
 ErTC« ; and what, he asked, did they think it was— kightekn-pknce worth ov tobacco, which 
 e had thrown away that morning on coming on the ground I Then followed from the bro- 
 thers and sisters who stood round him, a regular Hal Ha!! Hall! repeated again and again; 
 tbe brother in qnestion joining in the chorus! A person who stood .-cry near the group, in 
 lelatiHg the circumstance, said it reminded him of * a person in a bar room, telling a funny 
 Story,' the storyteller being rewarded by bis listeners, for the amusement afforded, witb 
 frequent explosions of laughter— the laughter at the Camp-meeting, though equally bois- 
 Icrous, being, however, more unnatural — more artificial. 
 
 of the preachers' stand, praying simultaneously and in the most discordant manner, this per- 
 son would stand in the midst of them— raise his hands above them, and at the top of his voice 
 
 exclaim. Come oowk— Dowk— dowx ! suiting the action to the word; the preachers and ex- 
 
 bortera looking on asu stuiHug, like petsous watehisig tbe manipulations of a Mesmerist. 
 
 This man was evidently regarded by your people as possessing extraordinary sanctity and 
 
 spiritual power, and able 
 
 Spirit. And no wondc 
 
 added, witb great fmrniliivH! that he did not expect 
 
 tly regarded by your people as possessing e.Mi-aorainary sancuty ana 
 ble at any time to bring down, by his prayers and shoutings, the Holy 
 der; for' he told his bearers that he was as pure as Jesus Christ, bufc 
 iilHv!:: that he did not expect to GET BE VON D HIS MASTER!!! 
 
It Wfts .tottltless scenes liko tli«» ab«»e thftt *ttif , not ..nc but hutiJrtH)* of S|»ec|jit.»i» kott* 
 f^om the Campground musing as your poetry su.sr^re.st!*. . , . . , 
 
 Now M . D., i l*ave got to the end of your very long letter; and ftel pretty much U 
 
 m pcrson'might be expected to feel, who, alter beatiiif; liis way throupb a dark, deuse, tau- 
 eled wood tinds himself once more in the open country, with the glorious sun shining abov* 
 him and the verdant HeUls spread out before him. And, I beg to assure you. tha» indepeua- 
 ent 'of other consideratioius, I should never harn spent so much precious lime m reviewing 
 such a document. It is in every way unworthy of a serious reply. I have written, chiefly, for 
 tho sake of those persons whose minds are open to couviclion, and on whom your strange de- 
 lusions have not yet fallen. , , i- • . mi » 
 
 Should any cf your people read this letter, which is perhaps, cry doubtful, it will onJjr 
 hare the effect I fear of e.\ftsperatin<? them still more against Spectator, t was fully aware, 
 before I penned a single sentence of my strictures on the Camp-meeting, that their prejudice* 
 in favor of such gatherings were very strong, )»ut 1 was hardly prepared for the general out- 
 burst of ill-feeling, which the appearance of these stiictm-cs in the Press has occasioned among 
 them. You say in your letter that they are * unlearned and hasty;' but then, Mr. D., they pro- 
 fess to be Christians, and some of them have proclaimed to the world that they are perfect in 
 love. It might, therefore, have been expected that tliey would have manifested a different spir- 
 it and instead of exhibiting resentment and other bad passions towards the author of 'the 
 strictures,' they would have treated him with that 'Clirist-like pity' of which you speak, espe- 
 cially as some of them have admitted the truth of nearly all I have said about the Camp-meeting, 
 while others blame certain persons who came from a distance to participate in your services, ai 
 the cause of much of the extravagance which characterised the u. One of your own preachers 
 or exhortcrs, to my certain knowledge, expressed to a friend of mine his disapproval of a great 
 deal that transpired at vour meeting. Besides, I have said no more, not indeed so much, 
 against 'religious physical demonstrations,' than the Wesleys, Clarke, Fletcher, Hammond, and 
 others, who were the founders and promoters of Methodism, have said before mc. Had yoa 
 written ten columns for the purpose of caricaturing or ridiculing •immersion,' I should neither 
 have felt nor exhibited any malevolent or resentful feelings in consequence. And why? Be- 
 cause T have a firm and unalterable conviction that against God's truth the gates of hell shall 
 never prevail. But you, feeling the insecurity of the p sition you occupy, have, at the expense 
 of truth and common sense, written tive mortal columns in the People's Press in order to sup- 
 port and fortify it, lest the blow should be followed by OTHERS. 
 
 Yoo are evidently alarmed for the safety of your fVuorite institution, or as you call it 
 "ordinance." But, if it be of God, as you say it is, your fears are groundless. All th« 
 • Spectators' oa earth cannot overthrow it. This great outcry against ' Spectator merely 
 «hew8 tUo weakness of vour cause. God, Mr. D., will take care of His own cause, and while 
 we may be called upon'" to contend for the faith once delivered to the saints," we need la- 
 bour under no apprehension for the final issue. "GREAT IS TRUTH AND IT SHALL 
 
 PR.FVAII " 
 
 I would now, before making my closing rcmrrkR, glance at the letters of two of your 
 brethren who have appeared, since yours was written, on the field, doubtless for the purpose 
 •f lending you all the aid in their nower to annihilate ' Spectator.' The letter of the one ap- 
 peared first in the St. Catharines Journal, and was afterward copied, at his request, into tbt 
 People's Press, the other appears in the latter paper under the signature of W. B. Fell. 
 
 1 have already referred to the first, who signs himself a ' Worshipper,' but will now be- 
 ■tow another glance at his production, which is, perhaps, the weakest and ailhest thing of 
 tho kind that ever appeared in any journal. , , 
 
 To secure a place for his letter in the Journal, he begins by complimenting the l!.dit«r 
 utter this fashion: " I am persuaded had you attended the Camp Meeting you «-ould lidv« 
 ffiven your readers a fair and candid statement of what you saw and heard, and HAD \Oli 
 KEPT COMPANY WITH ME you would not have witnessed any scenes disgusting or ungod- 
 ly 1" The editor of the Journal did attend the meeting, and did give in his paper a fair and can* 
 ' did statement of it ! Moreover he stated, in strong terms, that Camp Meetings ought to be put 
 down, and that in the Niagara District they had done a great deal moke uahm than good! . 
 
 lie coolly tells his readers that the mujority of persons who go to placet oj worship go «> 4«f 
 and be seen, and ALAS ! TOO OFTEN TO MOCK AND DERIDE ! ! ! 
 
 The public then are to uudorstand, on the authority of "A Worshipper," that the majO- 
 [ rity of persons who attendad the Camp Meeting, attended it for tho purpose of seeing and 
 being seen, and often to mock and deride i i ! », • * 
 
 Yot he tolls us in the next paragraph that " he attended the same Camp Meeting from 
 
 ' iay to day with some portion of his family, yet none of us Avitnessed any of the scandalout 
 
 ' Bcenei referred to by ' Spectator !' " Does it, therefore, follow because * A Worshipper' sa* 
 
 BO gcundalous ^(-enes that tberrfor*' none were ''"on ? Tbrr? v^^ere mnny hnndredu ot T>«r(H)«i 
 
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 k, deuse, taB- 
 shining ubov# 
 tlia» indepeutl* 
 e io reviewing 
 eu, chiefly, for 
 )ur strsiujfe d«* 
 
 ul, it will only 
 s fully Rwtirc, 
 lieir prejudice* 
 le general out- 
 asionci among 
 r. D., ther pro- 
 ' arc perfoct in 
 !i different spir- 
 author of • the 
 m speak, cap*- 
 Camp-meetinir, 
 our services, ai 
 own preacheri 
 •oval of a great 
 leed go much, 
 Hammond, and 
 nic. Had yoa 
 should neither 
 And why? Be- 
 LC3 of hcU slmlt 
 , at the expense 
 a order to sup* 
 
 r as you catl it 
 dlcss. AH the 
 ectator' merely 
 luse, and while 
 ," we need la- 
 10 IT SHALL 
 
 of two of your 
 
 for the purpose 
 r of the one ap- 
 fquest, into tbt 
 B. Fell. 
 
 ut will now be* 
 lilliest thing of 
 
 iting the Editor 
 'ou would have 
 and HAD VOU 
 sling or ungod* 
 r a fair and can* 
 ought to be put 
 M THAN good! . 
 worship ga t9 *#f 
 
 ' that the majo- 
 e of seeing »nd 
 
 p Meeting from 
 
 the scandaloue 
 
 Worshipper' sa* 
 
 irtAn of T>«rs<>«i 
 
 'M 
 
 nillUr C*UM» tiruiintl during ih« proj^.ess uf tUc meeting; aud, ir •• ♦ A Worihipper itatM 
 tlt« majoritr of them went to see and be seen— and often for ranch worse purposes, he niigbl 
 have been fully prepared to hear of scandalous scenes, especially where the opportunities and 
 temptations furnished by tlie Camp Meeting were so numerous. 
 
 It seems, however, that notwithstanding his indirect attempt to makt »t appear to the 
 public that the Camp Meeting was every thing the most fastidious Christian could uesire, hi 
 Uimself discovered that ' scandalous scenes' were being enacted during its progress. ' I 
 FREELY ADMIT," he aays, "that had 1 went outside of the Camp Ground to smoke tobatt; 
 rfrmi wiusKV, or LOOK AFTER DISSOLUTE CHARACTERS, i nnVz/K have eovxt is contact 
 WITH »SUCli"!!t Further, he asserts that he "made enquiries of TWO very respectabU 
 wen -vho bad refreshment booths on the ground, and was informed that there WERE SOME 
 ROUGH CHARACTERS ABOUT, but principally men from the Canal and dredges" 1 1 1 
 
 Suppose Mr. D., that your new friend and ally had prosecuted his enquiries a little fur- 
 ther, and instead of " taking the trouble ' to enquire of TWO very respectable men, he had 
 Biad'c the same enquiry of ten or a dozen who had opportunities of scemg what was going 
 on, it ia highly probable that the number of ^juestionable characters iu aud arouod the en- 
 Ciikmpm«nt would have been multiplied. . , , 
 
 Again he says, "« Sp*^ctator' asserts that the thieves and liquor sellers reaped a golden 
 barve.'st. How docs Ac know that ?" I will tell you what I do know— the religious socxeiy 
 njhich qot vu this Camp Meeting, opened a houth on the Camp Uroand, almost m front of tht 
 prcachfr.r stand, and on the LORD'S DAY. (the better day the better deed,) madk a hand- 
 WME BUM oi' MOSEY by ite SALE OF EDIBLES, TOBACCO, &c. ! ! ! . , , . 
 
 But this devout ' Worshipper,' though this SABBATH TRAFFIC was staring him full m 
 the hct—thouyh his devotions must have been often disturbed by the multitudinous voices of 
 the crowds that swarmed in and out of the Society's booth, the entire day, saw no icandalout 
 scents on (he Camp Ground ! ! 1 . , . u 
 
 He speaks rather disrespectfully of the " rough disssolute characters that smoked tobacco 
 Md drank whisky outside the Encampment ;" but he had not a word to say about the res- 
 pectable sinners that sold tobacco and edibles inside the Camp on the Lord's Day. When 
 justice is meted out to the former, what will become of the latter'? Will justice wink at their 
 transgressions because clothed with the garb oi religion ? Will it fare worse with the sintitr 
 that sells whisky on the Sabbath day than with the saint that sells tobacco'.' 
 
 " I have been trying,' he says, " to conjecture who this * Spectator' can be?" • Spectator' 
 b«9 nodithculty in recognizing the 'image and superscription' of 'A V;orshipper' in every line 
 of his very silly and unmeaning letter. There is not another man in the County of Welland 
 who could or would have written such an epistle. It is, however, characteristic of the man. 
 Among the various conjectures afloat as to the motive which induced him to take up his pen 
 At this particular juncture, the most common is. that having been for sonid time, ecclesiasti- 
 cally and politically defunct, it is his intention to attempt, at the forthcoming elections, to 
 ride once more into public life on the shoulders of the Society whose Camp Meeting he de- 
 fends. It is also currently reported that the Crowlanders are wide awake iis to his designs. 
 
 He says, ironically, " Spectator must be possessed of a little learning." To prove to hi* 
 readers that he is ft scholar, as well as a divine, ho talks oi '' universal postulates" and quotes 
 an old Latin adage oifive words, which he has mercilessly murdered in transcribing. 
 
 He then refers me to the comments of his namesake. Dr. Adam Clarke, on Acts i U, 
 "All continued with one accord in supplication." For what purpose ne quotes this text of 
 Scripture I cannot conjecture. Wa.s it to prove that the shoutings, clapping of hands, whis- 
 tling and other religious physical demonstrations which characterized the devotions of your 
 late Camp Meeting are scrip'tural'? Did the hundred and twenty disciples who met in an up- 
 per room in the city of Jerusalem, to await as they had been commanded the descent of the 
 Spirit, clap their hands, stamp with their feet, w'histle, shout glory, glory, at their prayer 
 meetings? Did they all pray together? There is nothing in the text or in Dr. Clarke's com- 
 Bjent upon it to warrant such a conclusion. As I have already shewn, Dr. Clarke expressly 
 t9,y» Vaai tivo fix more ^tTSon& praying at once is confusion in the sight of God and all good 
 men! But he also quotes Matthew xviii, 19, <'If two of you £?hall agree on earth as touching 
 anything that they sh=*n ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven." 
 
 He vcrv gravely, and with a view doubtless to impress the minds of his readers w-**' an 
 iden of the astonishing depth of his learning— informs them that the original words for agres 
 JDCans to sympathize or harmonize ! ! / 
 
 Your friends, Mr. D., are. s-ertsiinly deeply indebted to this original scholar for the light 
 ♦ „ich he throws upon this very difficult English word 1 It was kind and considerate of him. 
 When writing for their especial benefit, to remember that you had said in your letters that 
 they were unlearned, and to give thera a defi ition at once so simple and easily understood! 
 It doubtl«s« j)»ved them the trouble of refi.-. ing to a Dictionary. 
 
If 
 
 •He ptwbaMy <|uo!f9 lbt» tut t« jjiuve tJmt t1i« disi-orda»l «itt«f ■««(;•!* of ibft mix** Wttia- 
 
 fcde, who pmed simultaneougly in tlie Tabernacle at the C»:;ij> Meetinj?, Are not ontjr <ffeil- 
 •ibie but scriptural. IIo adds Dr. Clnrke's comment upon it :— " It intimates that al a num- 
 ber of musical instruments sltilfully played in A Rood concert are pleasing to the ear of men, 
 to a number of persons united together in warm carnesf, tordial prayer is highly pleasing m 
 the Bight of the Lord." I have already shewn that Dr. Adara Clarke asserts that two »r 
 more persons ;>rfl»/i«^ toffeihtr ix confusion in the sight of God and alt <jood men. Does 'A W or* 
 shipper' quote the above from Clarke to 8h«w that he contradicts himself— that he asserts on# 
 tiling in one place and a different thing in another place? It is allowed on all hands thai 
 two, three, fifty, or a hundred Christians meeting together for prayer, should be of one mtnJ 
 ««rf one heart as to the subjects of their petition, and that with one soul they should approach 
 the throne ef the heavenly grace, but it is no where liintcd in the word of (iod that any number 
 of Christians met together for pravcr. sliould pray simultaneously. The agreement spoken 
 of in the passage under consideration is an agreement or uniort of heart, not of voice. 
 God hears not men's voices but their hearts. But at your prayer meetings in the bush thera 
 was neither agreement of heart nor voice. Some were praying for one thing, some another 
 thing. 8ome shouted at the top of their voice, while the utterances of others were drowned 
 amid a babel of sounds. I never attended a prayer meeting in my life in wUlcU there wa« 
 less concert of agre'iment ofamj kind than at your Camp pr-.yer meetings. ... 
 
 It is simply a perversion of the word of God to fiuolc such text as the abore in defence of 
 'confusion and disorder' at religious meetings. ^ .%.»»». 
 
 ! challenge you, Mr. D., and the whole body of ministers belonging to the M. K. Society, 
 to prove that any prayer meeting ever held by Christ or his apostles, whether in the Temp)* 
 *r Synagogue, or in the open air, bore any resemblance to the disorderly meetings held m 
 Yokom's bush. I challenge vou and the whole body of your ministerial brethren to put yo«r 
 finger on one single text or passage in the New Testament in which it is stated or implied thai 
 Christ or his Apostles ever commanded, encouraged or sanctioned ♦ disorder and confusion, 
 either at their prayer or conference meetings. Further, I challenge you or any one belonging t« 
 your Society, whether lay or clerical, to prove that it ever was the practice in the pnraitira 
 ehurches for the Christians belonging to these churches, when they met for prayer, toMeap, 
 « shout,' yell, whistle, clap their hands, cry glory, glory, a great number of times, tumble over, 
 etamp with tl'eir heels, burst into fits of loud luugliter, throw their liand» up in the air, slap 
 their legs, find generally conduct themselves like lunatics ! 
 
 After treating his readers to a little more cant about • Spectator* having to "answer Jo 
 God for the animm that influenced him in penning his strictures," he suddenly leaves his sub- 
 ject and addresses himself directly to his esteemed friend and Dr. Jcffers, the Editor of tbO 
 Christian Guardian. «I would beg to inform my esteemed tViend and Dr. Jeffer* that for 
 nearly forty years I have been in the habit oi .attending Crop .Meetings under the auspices of 
 W. Methodists, and at more than one of these heard him pre.-.ch ihe gospel with profit «o 
 myself, and doubtless, scores of other?, and a more orderly, well conducted meeting, at least, 
 within the Encampment, I never wi aessed," &c. 1 hope Dr. Jeffers will feel sufficienlly 
 thankftil for the above compliment. I would beg to suggest the propriety of b»9 making a 
 public acknowledgment of it in the columns of the Guardian, 
 
 But seriously, why didn't 'A Worshipper,' if he desired to renew bis acquaintance wjtli 
 his esteemed friend. Dr. Jeffers, and tu bestow a compliment upon him, why didn't be do it in 
 '^ legitimatfe way, by sendii g him a polite lette»' through the I'ost Office. 
 
 Must the People's Press be made to do duty to save him the paltry eum of five eentf. 
 Wh^ cares to know whether he is acquainted ,vith Dr. Jeffers or «•>. \ suppose, however, b« 
 wanted his readers to understand that he was in the habit ot keeping good company— thai 
 he never associated with dissolute characters and men from the Canal and dredges. It it 
 Tather a pity thut, before concluding his letter, he should leave his readers in doubt respect- 
 ing this matter. In the very next paragraph he tells us that an acquaintance ot his visited • 
 brothel in company with a person who was hanged soon after, and that while there he ba€ 
 his pocket picked, and adds, " I BLUSH to mention it, Mr, Editor" U\ In the name of com- 
 mon sense, why did he mention it? Was he obliged to do so either for the sake of argument 
 or illustration? If he was ashamed of such an acquaintance, if he could not refer to fai« 
 ■Without feeling the blood mantle his cheek, what on eart!» induced hira Id parade tb»9 «t- 
 XJumstance respecting his friend in the columns of a newspaper? •'• 
 
 B'st he tells us that forty vkars ago he atif^uded :i Camp Meeting held «ndef th« »«»i- 
 plces of the W. Methodists, and that a mohe okdeuu', well conducted devotional meeting he 
 never witnessed. Well, what is the inference that he wishes his readers to draw from tb<S 
 itatement? Why this, that in 18(33 a similar meeting was held under the auspices of the R. 
 Hethodists, and ft muot h-'.ve been equally orderly and well conducted 11 ! ^ 
 
 He windi up his unmeaning and stupid production with tbis description of* SpetUlftf "■'• 
 
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 nol only d^fen* 
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 the ear of m*n, 
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 all hands that 
 be of one mind 
 ho»\A approach 
 iiHt nny number 
 recment spoken 
 t, not of voice. 
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 ;, some another 
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 re in defence of 
 
 c M. K. Society, 
 r in the Temple 
 leetings held in 
 iren to put yo«r 
 1 or implied that 
 and confusion/ 
 >ne belonging t« 
 in the priraitira 
 traycr, to ♦ l«ap,* 
 les, tumble oTcr, 
 » in the air, slap 
 
 5 to " answer to 
 
 f leivves his snb- 
 le Editor of the 
 Jeffers that finr 
 r the auspices of 
 el with profit to 
 nectinp;, at least, 
 feel sufficiently 
 >f bis making a 
 
 ;qnaintance with 
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 m of five ceatff. 
 
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 1 company— thai 
 1 dredges. It it 
 n doubt respect* 
 e of his visited M 
 lite there he ha4 
 e tiame of corn- 
 sake of arfrumeat 
 not refer to faini 
 i |)arade tbi» ctr« 
 
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 Uional imeting he 
 draw froni tW« 
 luspices of the R. 
 
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 i^lnHl*,Mi*ithin,l,. Le A NAl»U»\V..MINI>i:i> .vK«TAIMAX l.iput -nd «lthoi.^h he taiki 
 nhout the di-^'f ration of re!5'/ion / .r/;. iuclinid to l^rUcn' it i.* a thing (true reliKiou) he knou-t 
 vtrv tinh ahvut' ! ; ! Chiiritnbk— wry : , , i *.- «„„ 
 
 Hut lh« »:ime iimnbtr ot the l\"'fU't i'r^^o vlrirh contains • A V orsh.pp" • letter con- 
 teinii also a lonff article from the pen of s^uothcr hn.tluT. who ntlci.Je.l vo.ir Crtmp-m.cUng, 
 •lid who tells hi» reader, timt he is ft reside »l t)f thv citv »t Uullalo. liis subject is the per- 
 
 ie<ution of the saint!*.'' ... .v •-„" ti.* 
 
 He opens thus: •' Whv do the pi'ofdf rnge :m«< Ih*" ptople wn^^tnw. a v«.u )noK ' l»« 
 kinc< of »ho furth set thcmsclvr*, -.wA tlie vmWv* ti.ke lonns.-l lo;r<tluT npiiusl the Lord ana 
 |M« .innointcd.' ^iav 1 r.sk in re! urn. -^ Why du tlu' i;,.i.,opui .MKh<.d..ts ruge ^^ IJ.v do 
 thev inia-lnc a vuiii ihinir? Why do iheir pnarlMTs. vxlw.rt. li and c!,,.-lr;uU-rs take coun- 
 fcrtoK^thcr ;iu.l tu.ditaw mis^Iiicf and n-v. ■!.-(• ugai.:>t • ^i-frtal.,. 7 W hat is the ; l>cad «nd 
 front of his ntV-'iidin): .' Ma- ho a.^nailvd fht-m ^>rnF»w tluy are hoiwnt at-d u].riKhl in all their 
 di-alin-s with Ihi-ir l.-lUnv men? N.. /.■"•,,•/.•. fl..'> srrl^.. ♦.. li.c at |.f.c.. urth their neiph- 
 bovs. si.eaivinjT cv.l of iKmc-Ji.vt i'ven o/ tiieir ..nHTnii-.s? N(>. /;.ra/.M. when r.vilcd they 
 revile not n-air., iMtK-Ltlv sunVri.i- ra1h<T Jl.au rtMMy injury wMu i;hu t ? No lienmst 
 tlicv l»>ad llaniolf.-? lives. «.vhlt.irn.K t'V th'ir </<'r.v walk atul luiivoirnt.-.n ilial they d.. indeed 
 posV,e.«s not «i.!v Ihff furm l.tif th.^ p.o.vvr of I'.uUitK-. • No. /;.cvr-...Mh,n- are unceusingly 
 {trivint? to do 'j?oofI "to thdr fallow- uien? .N.v i.'.. •'».'* 'hey read ihru- hiMcs loo much 
 and prav too ol.>n ? No. P-cuw th««v are jiieu niid women of sni.i-uor piety and (lovoted- 
 ne«!5 to <';od •' \o. !!<• hr^? d.».u' iH.ihi.i^ -if thi.* kiii-I. lii-* vfluie »^ of a lar darker hue. lie 
 baJ I'Prn .Miillv of the rN!>A!t!H>N.\i5i.i: .^IN of v^of Uuj n-ilh Voir Vamp MMmy . . . _ 
 
 lie has char<n'd thont with the nn of opeuty profaniu-^' ll.c Lord s day. and thus setting a 
 b.id <'.Tamn!e to the uncoavcrtod : tnid, by ti-.e .niMiiu-r In which lii-ir moetuifr was conducted, 
 juvcllin" t- • nlrr;uly ovorarown list i)f scorners and sceptics. He took tlio liberty to hint to 
 w»nc. oFthe preachers that, instead of aniu^in^' the sinTirrs whom they add.o?sed by relating 
 low vul^rar unecdotP.«. thev oiiirht to have preached to them tlio llospel. lie Inely expressed 
 his honest conviction tbnt'Camn Mt-vtiu?.- as (.encrallv con.lucted, w<tu the occasion i. not 
 tlie ean^c of a va^:t a^;;ou^t of ininioiality. \W ..■xpressed his doubts as to whether the 
 reliirious physical demoi.stnUions oxhibitud dnrin{>- the pro<,'rc^» of tiie meeting, as clapping 
 of i»iuut« shoiTtinc. at the •.o» fif the vok"', oufiMivsts of boisterous aud uiiiiauinil laughter, 
 vchcir"nt jresliculation. leapiui^ mi> -ind down, voviferalir.- Glory, Clory, fulluiK down, &c, were 
 i the result of the oper.ition of the UoU iSpirit. rinally he had the hardihood to expn'ss a wish 
 that no more fump Meetings uii^-Ut »>» held in this nciKhborhood ! Tins is Ins sin— this is 
 his crime, which in Jho cycs of ilic • brethren' 1.^ one of cnonnous mutrmtude, and or winch 
 there is no torfivcnc??. Mad he '."onc into iW. prayini,' ciiclo, and sl.outed and yelled like a 
 aavrtcre, tumbled utiont lilco ;i <trnnkeu man, ?tood upon his head and vocift'rated at the top ot 
 his voice, told the people lliat he f;ad ^ot reli^'ion all owr him, iu his boots as well us in his 
 Icff.* a»d nlaved the fool p-enoral'r, his .intics would have been ro;.'arded as the '• unpretend- 
 ing slinplicitv of ii b.ihe »•» Christ.'' I'.ut havin- ventured to stale that he could sec uo religion 
 in these phy.^if.'t! demon^trutifctis, lie bus l^ccti i.rououuccd a .Stiul ot Tardus— a persecutor 
 
 and hlnsphfnier! . , , i j ?» 
 
 It is quite cvid'tit from (he cenera! strain of this 'hvothct's letter, th.at he regards r1 
 profe£.sor.? ofreit{,^ion and minister.^ of the tJospel. who arc oppor d 'o ' relii,nous physical 
 dcmon.^friUions' us i'iun-isees, or iti the call of bitterness and in tu bed ot iniquity, llua 
 is the kind of JnafAuairc c;fficr;*.llv cmi.lovd by self-deceived professors ot leligion, when 
 speaking- of those wlu"* n^fuse to endorse ttieir fa-aati<.isiii and ex-'aavap:ance. Ihesehigb- 
 flvlnjr professor?, who are per.eraUv self-conceited. arro5r.ant imd presumptuous, arc continually 
 plumin<» themselves oif their superior pictv. Tlicy profess to have reached the goal of per- 
 fcction."talk much of their rapture? and their J(as, and look down with ntiected pity or con- 
 tempt on tl >ir fellow. Christians, whom vhey legard either as cold, heartless prolessors, or 
 far behind themselves in the Cliristiuii race. A modest, unassuming Christiun, who bas 
 been tauqht bv the Holv .Spirit how deceitful and desperately wicked the human heart la, 
 a»;d who", ttierclbrc speaks humblv of his own religious experience, fearing lest he should 
 be deceived, ts generwllv regarded bv those « high-Hycrs' as standing, compared with them, 
 » on a very low platform'.' «>ne of this class of persons came to me when on the Camp-ground 
 — to wholo I w«3 an entire stranger—' rricnd,' said ho, ' have you got religion ?' ' I hope so, 
 m 1 replied. 'O.' said he * there's no hope about it, !i mnn ought to know when he has gob 
 ^ religion.' He then g.ave me a lone sermon on the dillerence between justiticalion andsancti- 
 lication. tjivinj* tilt to understand that he was pretty nearly perfect. Another of this ciass 
 Walked up to one of the members cf your Society and said, ' Friend, the Lord has sent me to 
 talk to rou-»-how's vour soul,' Ac. &o. , 
 
 ' This person told me afterward- that the individual who thus addressed him protessed to 
 bi>«9 FRKF. FROM SIV AS .IRSCS OHKIST!!! 'When he told rou.' said f, 'that the Lord 
 
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 Im.1 unit him Ut tnik to u.u» ili.l >.m hcHt v« him V ^/ ./.</ not,' he rc,»Ite.l; tt he ImuI ^'"< thtt 
 
 li« felt i« l.li Uutv t.. ^jifiik l« ii.« Mu tlu; xil.jret of rctijjtioii, 1 mifrlit liiivc bi-licvct! tnin Well. 
 I ii.i.U-.l 'iMil \vhAt»»«y()iilli!»Uot»ii«iis.^fiti()ti,tbiil Jte is lU i)iirc «s tlic Saviour?' Mdoul 
 bfiievo t« • !ic rci.licil. 'Our KhUr/ 4-onttiuuil ho, ♦ who in u very phuii spcUcn sort of man, 
 (•nine riL'l'u out out <iiir on iUa »uhjcct.' ' I'.iethrcH,' «.vi.i \\c. « tliore arc ionic of joti alwny 
 tftllting iihour pcrlPclioM. Vo»i tfJl us th:U you sum) ou ft higher |»h»tfoni> thnu the rest of 
 your brethren, who, U tliPV Oot.'t come it|. to y«nr Icwl, will ^;() to holl; .iinl, you are «• 
 sooner out of nu'eliii;? tlmu voM urc iii>hilKiiiff la all kinds of Icv/ty. ovil si»f!tkinK, Ac. Lei »>• 
 liaTC less /(///* nni] more pnicdcf. Live your r».'li-<ioii, A:i-.— don't .spend it all in in>r$ praU . . . 
 A v.rv r.''iil()ua »>,r .thcr who hcluii!.'.s to your .^oriety, «ii<l uho attctuletl your i sim|i 
 Meotin''hr»l iconic ♦•ot.vvr.-iJ.flim with inc o.» tlii.s siil>ji'c;t some tin».> ti'^n. After ntating my 
 vicw^ 1 atkcil him if he Udit-via that /<»■ ha.l arrived • at pcrf^etioii.' • No.' sawl he, ' I <loi» t 
 think r liiive,' • llavT vou ever «e.rt any one w\uj ha.l arrived at thi< !<tat,'e of the t^hrisMan 
 
 life:/' I ask«d. 'I have i^een one,' h«? n.'iilied. * » n «-h<i .*:«id tliivt UK UAH Ll\ liU 
 
 NIN K YK \i:.S WITHOUT * UM M lTTrN< i .S|N' ! J I ' Non', said I, ' my friend, tell mc, W-' y 
 *God did voulieli'ivehiiur *l UU) Nvtl'f was hi^ ri-ply I happened to know the indivi- 
 dual to whom he referred, nud helieve him to he eitlier self de^'eived or » Tile hyp'-n»r. 
 Yet these two, ivI.CTiever fhev meet, ure • haad i.i pl-iV and at your reh-yus meeting.. <•«- 
 operate toicetlicr and euef...r.»^'e cueh other iu the f;o<»<» ""r'-! ^''"-^ brother, h-om whom I 
 hid th« abav« relation, declared at vour late <:.uni* Meelin;,', in |>rtse«K-»j ot huudvvd.s that A« 
 A«(< o/-/.M«aM';N'nUK .SANCTil'U.'ATloN!!! ,,,,.. , 
 
 lint hei-a««e 1 and others have dared to call in qncstum tl.e truth of the hnhl and HO- 
 qnalilicd statement ma.ie by vou and y<mr hrotl)reii. tlial the sh.M.img, ytdhi.g, aereamii.jr, 
 jumpinrMiT* and dov;n, filling' over. ^-e.,aad oilier reli-ioui phy.-^ieal demoiHtraUons are Uio 
 fruits of (he operation of the iiiviac .Spirit, or the ' oupretendin.c; sinudieuvot babes uM.hrHt, 
 we art denounced as • l'hari.>cc«/ • jmrrow-minded sectarian bi^'ot.^' • l)l;ipph<:merB, ^persccu- 
 ton ' * persons who ar» iu the gall of bitterness and in the bond oi itinputy.' 
 
 'l have hct^zi ' h'.hind (/ic Jirencf, Mr. IK, :md have seen too much rank hypocr!-«y and itn- 
 posture palmed olf o« t'ae pubiic as reli;,Moii at these meetings, tn be «a.>tiy deluded mto th* 
 belief that exhitiitions of tlic kind 1 have indicated nre the fruits ol the iSpint. i um 
 instructed too, bv hi-hcr authoritv thai* vouri, nut to believe every spirit, but to //•// {he xpinU 
 whether tUe^ ar''"<>f <.' >d, • Not t-vvrv oat: that naith Lord, hord, shull euter into the kinf?doro, 
 but he th«t i.V'.'t M-- V''! ^i' m>i t'atheV ! ' Wv their i'UriT.S.' not their words, * ye shall /cv»o.r 
 t-hem' Kc-=ide.s notwit!i.<tandin;r the euufidene* %vhi.di you e.vpre.*8 iu <hc ^inwunftwsn ot 
 these e\-hibitioni ' as the exultant outljuritd «>f new honi sonls.' your .Society has evidently* 
 suspicion tiiat vour converts mavdeeeivc or be deceived; and this suspicion »s implied ift 
 your putting tlieui on ft ' ?ix mimtlts proburiou,' before ;Hhniitin« them into tnU *eltowshq» 
 with your i^oeiclr, U von veallv believe that they arc Ij'uly converted to (b)d -Thy not admit 
 thenrat once iatc. voiirVelUnvship? Where tio you find any varrant >n .Scripture t,jr rctu.-^iu;? 
 'full felloWsUip' f'.f cu« .lav, m»t io speak of .-iix months, to those wiio de.sire to unite them- 
 selves with vo«r hodv, and" wlwm von believe lt» be born tt^A<u\ ? U not this si.^ months pro- 
 bation a staiidinf? pro 'jf that vuur .Society has heea tleeeived, and may be deccivctl again, hv 
 tl^oso seekintr -ts feUowship? Have net yot» yourself often b^'cn deceived and impo.^ed upou. 
 by iiretendcd <-onvcii3 ? iiav« vou iievei- met with individuals, who at cam]* or protracted 
 meetino-s could • ihout and veil,* and make uther 'n«i:-;y demouslraiious' of religious levvoj an*! 
 zenl, while thdr livca niiurdtd the etfonsest proof iliat they w«ve the jnost arran* hypocnlcs 
 
 in the world '* . . i t i * -, 
 
 . Why, t'lent t^»i'' outhui'^t of iudtgnaiioo a«»d rejnitmcnt ft?r;u»st those who have been lor 
 
 years oii the tield t)f ob.servatlon, uud who have oallected durino- that time facts «uough to 
 
 iill a larcc volniiiw t<j guide them in forming a correct judgmeni on this matter ? 
 
 The'fo«u*ler of vour Socictr. John Wesley, had, a.s you will allow, abundant cpportuni- 
 ties, during a r.uuist'rv of si.xtv.iive years, of watching the eareer of those who processed, Irom 
 time to time, to get reJ-gion under his preaching, and who were in the habit, at his meetings, 
 ofmakiuo-cxtraordin-.iry religions physical doniou.^trations of their love, zeal, >io. I shall 
 here present you witii a f«w fact^ (Leathered from his journal.';., which, yoa wiU Bcc, tcnl much 
 to conlirm the ttuth of mr fitatemeuts as made above. _ ' ■ 
 
 He savs, in epcakin* of the condition of the various societies under hi* supenntcmle«c«: 
 << At Oxford, there were hnf a few who had not fonsakcn t/icm, many in whom ike seed hai 
 wiihertd amnf. Uut of twenty-live or thirty only two left, not one continued to aitcnd umlft 
 prai/ers, the few onefc united arc now torn asunder and scattered abroad." At London, 'dhc poof 
 brethren at Fetter Lane ia >fical fun/ufiion, many were induced to dcni/ (he fft/i oj (>od, antj 
 aflirm thev never h»d any faith «< M- ^i'-in.V oi our sisters arc shaken, grievously torn by 
 reasoning, liut fi'v- come to Fetter Lane, till near nine o'clock, and then, after their namet 
 af^ called over, tliev jjresently depart. Our brethren here have not wisdom cnotvgH to guide 
 
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 nor i.r.t<Knr« It In it aUmo. litre, I round .viTy il;.y iIh- d.i;uUul ellfv.U". •" .»««o o-.r </< >// 
 r«taiH*df,i» tirtt lor, .' and »«ost of tin- rc..»t w«Tf i» .•oiifn.^inii. /.*7*V,,/ rt/u/ «/.r..«r.«./ om- (inolher. 
 Many wholfy nnsrttlt-d mid /o*/ i'( r((//f ^-^v"//'»v'' "ii'l Hn„hni,l d,.ymhii,ons, iiut liK.Iy l« i-,uMU> 
 t» anv true tb»iHlatiou, I «o,. to ti.e .So.-ic-ty, but I fui.iHi tl.cir l.fai ts Nvre qmf cslranj-o, . A 
 hltU ham/nif of them stood iu tl.c obi paths. A( liristol and Ki.is?.swood I had .nany uupl^ut- 
 in,j nccouiits of the iittle ?otiitv. brcadivp. jeah)U.sic5, coidiif^s. Wi'uK to i.rcacli at Khh?i- 
 wood, but fxcept « few fron. Uristol, I h.ul not above two oh tiikkk u.im. and as n.a.iy vvuinen 
 the same m.mb..r once or tvsire before. Many of our brcthrot« had no cars to hear, having' 
 disputed away both thir Jovr an.' fiuih in eontinnal dispute.-*, dorisiouH un.l ollenccj. 
 Meetings of the Hands <•('•' and unowfurlMr, i^niXW-"^ strife and f..»/-,/.v. ./). i^rp'^nihuut, hack- 
 biluii/s, *vi( »vm/ci>u/, mutual diarses <>t loirhin,/ faho ,lorlri,n'. r./n/-<r-o leave tlum. and at^am 
 about forhf! At the Notti.ifrhain foeiety. the room not half full wlmli used to bo ermvded. 
 \vt onf pe.-.^oH xvi.o t*mv in u^cd prtufr at aH, b.U every one began talkmt,' to hi.s neighbour, 
 
 or iibout hi»» t" , " ,.,.»♦ I e\-, 
 
 Sueii wa« Mr WesUv's rvperieiue. Wni hear ttic tc?timnny ol Mr. Hammond, /mo of lu?i 
 MMchcrs, written ufter )uti<h e.vperienee and obsorvation— " That ?omc people arc tilled with 
 A fjrcat deal of joy, «ad experirnee .,,,/,/.« ,/W, ' '/ '■'^''^(:;',';^^l'\^,!V{"!-.\. ™,.:|^ 
 TUK S.MU.T ov <Joi.! HIT now rUK(,.rt.;NTLV DO Tin;\ I I- 'M\l.' 1 UK !>!•.!/. I'-S! 
 Tho^o warm emotion^, of th^" mind often j.roeeed //-ow (h,- •''^''''V'"', ' '^^'T;''/:''/'' //;i' 7,' S' i!;*; 
 temperature of the i.lood and ..wnol .pIriU: \OVSC. t'ONM-Ul'lS AliK \ Mi\ Al I 10 
 \.S(Uilin-; T<» TllK Ol'KHATiONS oj-' TilK littLV (.UIOST wliat i.s owiii^;- to the tufrhamsm 
 <V </ie /«)(/(/ ; The h.\.stv, the c.\in:i,Kss and «\.;iMtau:j», ftr iu wo.-:f daiurr of Inhif/ earned away 
 
 M-«M KAr-SK.TOV.? .\NI»1MA<MN.M(V TUANSfOllTW'!!! . . 1 . ♦!,. 
 
 I micht niuUiply sueh testinxmy from Wesley and \\\i cor.djutor.s to ftny extent, but the 
 •bovc must sufliee for the present. . , , , 
 
 ! shall take the liberty to flost- this letttT \vitJl a few fnitfl and observations uhich havfl 
 auffirestt'd themselves to mv mind wliilc writinf,': . r,^ -, • 
 
 I I objcet to your Camp Meetintj.', not beranse it is eUV.cv nnlawliil or sinful for (.hna- 
 tiaHstomcettopethor. ifneeessary. intlu-open air. in the bush or in tiic fields, to hold re- 
 ligiov -erviee.*: but because t'amp Meetiufvs are now nnncecssary, at least in this part of tlio 
 cuuntrv, whrre every neighbourhood has or may have a eonvenient place of worship. 
 
 2. i{ceau5« they are the occasion, if not the cans", of a vast amount of .'^abbath desecration. 
 You vonrsolf'in referrinr-- to the sale of edibles, tobacco, i'ruit, i^cc, by your .Society, ad- 
 mit that these refreshment i.nd whiskv booths attracted to your Camp-meeting preat erovvds 
 uf loafers and other dissolute- ciiavacters. Moreover, your So-iely at these -'itherinKS has 
 »anctioned and upheld, and :unrtion.T by its example, thi-' abominable Sunday traihc, thu.<J 
 frichtfuHv lowering the stanchinl of morals .iiid religion in the community. 1 regard tho 
 .Sivbbath day as a miKhtv bulwark, erecied by Jehovah, to prevent the world from beiiip 
 deluse.l by crime and uiJ'kcdness of every kind. Abolish tlie Saubath day, and what v.-ouhl 
 be the consequences tc. the world! One almost trembles at the bare idea.! 
 
 Without iierhaps interidine i». Vour Society has, for years, been doinj:? what it could, by 
 ♦nconrajrinfT this species ot trailic on the Uord's Day, to break down this bulwark, and thus 
 ttlb.w tho waves of cviinc to roll in upon our cuuniiunitic>. That your Society lias matenully 
 assisted, in this way. in lowerim; the standard cf morality and religion among the people, la 
 very easily proved. Its object in openint,' a refreshment stand on tl'.o (.'amp-ground, on the 
 Subbath ilav, was to vw/ce woin-t/ ! How many of your people objected to this? Aot one, I 
 btdieve. 1 doubt, indeed, if any of them, whether preachers, cxhorters, or class leader^, had 
 the least idea, until my h'tters appeared in tho Press, that there Avas any thing unlawful or 
 Pinful iu 'doing business' on the Sabbath. They consider my strictures on your meaing, 
 blHsphemv— trading by vour Society on the Sabbath day. no sin ai all ! ! ! 
 
 3. I object to voar Camp Mce iiigs iiecause. geuerally. the religious services are coiiductcd 
 in such & manner as to bring much discredit on religion, disgv.sl intelligent minds, and 
 barden men in sin. I believe that a great many good thing? arc said at tliese meetings—that 
 laanv Gospel truths are brought iiefore the people, and thai earnest prayer to Ctod often arises 
 from' not a few hearts : but there is mi.xcd up with all this so much that is objectionable, of 
 n low. light, trifling, vulgar kind, as materially to lessen, if not altogether neutralize tho 
 eP.'c.ts sought to be produced. 1 hare heard your preachers say things from the 'stand' 
 which wo, ihl hardly be tolerated in the lowest bar-room. And 1 have seen, with pain, tho 
 fttlect oftliis mingling of tliintrs solemn with things ridiculous, at your Camji Meetings, on 
 young minds. lt"is not uncommon to hear the young, of both sexes, repeating the vulgarities 
 and low anecdotes told by your p.eachcrs to the assembled multitudes ; and years afterwards, 
 vhcn they could remenibe*r nolhi.'.g else the preacher said. "'C sUng phrases and objection- 
 able stories he told were as fresh in tiieir memories as if they had been heard but yesterday. 
 I know th:it some of vour prea<.hers hav^ sen-e ami piety enouirh to i-.void !!i their prenehinu 
 
wb»tCTfr would tU'niu.l*' nllgifu or i:vu=c it lo «.♦» evil .ipukon of. Ami f wah ?1u<1 U» bc«r 
 tliKt ftt vonr recent Missinnnrv MoctiriK', lifld in I'cllmui, vour ini-si.UnK KUkr udiniinslerud to 
 you and vour .i.inist.'rial lirclliii-n a sliarp rcl)iikc lOr indulging iu the low, vuI^'Hr kind of 
 levity to 'which I hnvc rol-rred. A iicrsoii toM mt««l\o was present, that lie spokn very 
 plainly and poinded! »' on the .su>.ji'(t, dtn-hiriur that lie fell rtshamed that siu-h things should 
 be said at ft Mis.siotiarv Meotinjr. I notice the circumstance because it is creditable to your 
 presidiD"- Klder wh(. U evideullv propar;?d to take iv d.-ided stand aj,'aiiist tlicse tliinprs : and 
 btcftuso'a rebuke Ironi him is inoro likely to have a belter Jlect o» you and your brethren 
 than anythinj? I can say on tlie fiubjoct. . . 
 
 Then, again, there is Renerailv a viiM amount of extravnjrance and tanatic-.?n« developed 
 at your lu'avf'i- an.l courcronce meetings iield in the bn-h. You partly ftdmit this in your 
 letter. 1 refer to tiie 'religious pliysioal demonstrations' I have already so often alluded to, 
 and which instead of being checked are i)Ut too often encoinngcd by those wlio have the eon- 
 trol of these meetings. The c(lcct» of these • denionstr;Uions' o.? the ihonghlless and curele.*»s 
 
 is most injurious. . . . , , , 
 
 •l I objt-ot to your Cump-moetings, because the good said to be dono at iliem is verr 
 ranch over-rated. This is the testimonv .)f all honest and unbiased minds that have made 
 this matter the subject of sttidv. 1 have taken great pains, for years pa-.t, to get light upon 
 this point, from every quartei-wliere it was likely \o lie had: and the conolusum at which I 
 have arrived—;; conclusion deduced from a very large number of facl-s and oI)servations-- 
 ob.scrvations made on ilie spot— is that a very great deal more harm than pood is done by 
 these meelMigs. In those localities where they have been most freqncntly held, it Will be 
 found that the state of moruLs and religion among the ].eople is, in many cases, much worse 
 than in other localities where .such extraordinary rcligioui! eH'orls are not er.joyed. 
 
 5. I object to vour ('amp-meetings, because they tend to engender and promote fanati- 
 cism. In many cases, '•ommon-sense, reason and tlie Word of Cod are laitl aside, while the 
 persons are whollv guided bv n..re fueling, imagination, or sudden impression, made on the 
 mind, which are often regarded as revelations made from lu.iven, or the voice of Cod iu their 
 souls! Under these iinpnlsc-5 iliev say and do the most extravagant things. Mr. Wesley tell.*, 
 us that having preached a sermon on ' Fcelirg,'— '• It plea.sfd Cod lo make this discourse 
 an occasion of discovering such wilrs o/'i'a/(/7J, as it never entired into my heart to conceive. 
 Finding many had been offended at the sermon, I called them together, and examined them 
 severally concerning their t.r;j,;-(V«c.: and other circumstances; - '■'■■ * ■* but as to what 
 8ome of them said' furllier'concerninci- fcelin;/ the l.lood of Christ runniiu) upon their anns or 
 going down their throitt, i^r poured like warm u-atcr on their breaxt,'' kc. .Again he says, " I was 
 
 both surprised an'' grieved at a genuine instance of eiilhusiasni, I B , of Tamtield 
 
 Leigh, who had receive<l a sense of the love of Cod, a few days before, came riding through 
 the'rown, hallowing and .shouting, and driving all ihe people before him, telling iham: God 
 had told him he should be a King, and should tread all his enemies under his feet." 
 
 It is not at all an uncommon thing at vuur Uamp-meetings for persons wiio are religiously 
 affected, or prostrated bv the 'power,' as it is called, to speak of seeing iho Saviour, of 'be- 
 holding heaven opened to them.' Some have visions of angels ; others, oi the departed spirits 
 of their friends and rclu'ions. I know a case in which the person said that those who 
 were praying around him assumed various degrees of brightness according, as he thought, to 
 the severardegrees of sanctiiication they enjoyed. He imagined he could tell distinctly the 
 particular stage at which each had arrived in their progress towards y.erfection in holiness. 
 Some are impressed to go iuimediaioly to some particular person in the congregeUon, and 
 inform him or her that lliev have a message from Cod to them. Others affect lo hear a voice 
 from heaven tellin-- them that their sins ixro forgiven them. These things arc regarded by 
 many as distinguishing tokens of God's favor. Hence many of these deluded people imagine 
 thetnselves special favorites of heaven, and often run into the wildest excei^ses. is it any 
 wonder, when reason and Revelation are set aside, that a tide of fanaticism should carry such 
 individuals out of themselves? ' Believe not every spirit,' says 'Wesley, ' but try the spirits 
 whether they be from (Jod, Try nil things by his written Word, and let all how bejlre it. lou 
 are in danger of enthusiasm eVery hour, if you defiart crcr so Uttlc from the Scripture, yea 
 from the plain, literal meaning of the text, taken in connection with the context. And so you 
 are if you rfe.^jDwc or Ughthj citccm reason or human learnine/. every one of which is an excellent 
 
 "ift of God.' Arc. 
 
 ** 6. I object to vour Camp-meetings, because they afl'ord a strong stimulus to vice and 
 i-pravity of the fuulost kind. Crowds of dissolute characters attend these gatherings, espe- 
 rially at night; mingle am-xig the promiscuous crowds that are liuddled together in the pray- 
 ng circles, in whicli, freqnent'v. ihc wildest confusion reigng. Females may often be seen 
 .ying on the ground, surrounded by a curious, gaping mu...lude, while every opportunity is 
 »fford«*d to the wicked and depraved to commit iniquity of the blackest kind. I dare not 
 
 i 
 
iS ^Iik] to b<*sr 
 iidininistcrud to 
 vul(;Hr kind ol* 
 lie spoko very 
 li thin^^a should 
 ditnblo to your 
 }iie tl)in(;s ; mid 
 I your brethren 
 
 ii:'.?in developed 
 it this ill your 
 ton ullu<led to, 
 
 liave the coil" 
 S3 and curele»i 
 
 it ihcm is verr 
 
 tliat have niudc 
 
 fivt light upon 
 
 sion at which I 
 
 1 oI)Sfrvafions— 
 Odd is done bjr 
 lield, it n-iil he 
 Hs, much wors« 
 lycd. 
 
 promote fan»itl- 
 asidc, while tiic 
 )n. made on the 
 
 of God iu their 
 ^Ir. Wesley tell.*, 
 3 this discourse 
 ^nrt to conceive. 
 
 examined them 
 
 but as to what 
 0/1 their ar^ns or 
 
 he sav?, " I was 
 
 , ofTamtield 
 
 ■ ridin;^ through 
 lino' tiiam : God 
 s feet." 
 
 are religiously 
 Saviour, oi" ' bo- 
 departed spirits 
 that those who 
 
 IS he thought, to 
 ell distinctly the 
 .■tion in holiness, 
 angregption, and 
 t to hear a voice 
 arc regarded by 
 
 1 j)eople imagine 
 i!sc3. Id it any 
 liould carry such 
 nt try the spirits 
 iw bejtn-e it. You 
 10 Scripture, yea 
 ?xt. And so you 
 h is an excellent 
 
 nlus to vice and 
 gatherings, espe- 
 ;ther in the pray- 
 ay oitcn bu seen 
 ly opportunity is 
 ind. I dare nut 
 
 i 
 
 m 
 
 ^.tcTibe bere icencn thtt hate bfeu vvituesstd at such meeting.^. The per,so.u «ho orlgi- 
 
 4#urbt »'"*'''•■;,' . ^j „,„i j,ri„^ into combination at the , ead hour of nii,'ht, 
 
 rmKcd" nTl tt o u n' vo^^^^^^^^ Tud children -must .urcly b.; ignorant of the fact that 
 
 ^?il cmr.n^^v^^ good n.an«cr.;' that out of the human heart proceed evil 
 
 iJolhr der a fornications, thefts, false-witnesses, bU^phemici A. Ihoy 
 
 .rea to b on', o us of the fact, th.,t the pressing together for several n.ghts in «uc- 
 
 W.o / « der" tich circumstances, InMulrcds of person* of both sexes great bic.Ut.e.. «n> 
 
 cession, "'^'Y/'''' ,,,,,,.. ,i_„^ : ' .,n. ^^,,1. This mode of crowiling the sexe^ toRcther at 
 
 Kt^'lng; l;, a"^n^ "'• ^•^^'-"-"- Acxrding to the rule, 
 
 fo tl'r^^^^^^^ ofnaud Societies,' each Kand must be con.pon-d ot one hcx only. '«ll 
 
 Bianied orunmarried • The mingling of the sexes is strictly pn.hibitid. ,,,,,. 
 
 Vuli "to .r rainp. nettings, because they lead mnhiludes to undn-valur the ord^. 
 
 ««rv « « i vnur. Mauv persons think they mu.t wail for some c.-araor.wnary • revival 
 
 ra'?on in or lei u be converted: and it is not at all uncommon tu hear tncm e-vpressing u 
 
 wilfor the ctu >. of such scenes of excitement as llu-y may have w.lnesse. at <'a.np.mee - 
 
 .^cr. Under ho or iinarv mi<.i>trations of iho Word, tliey are not profiled. I hose «re by tar 
 
 oS tatne H 1 ev tim.k.'to do the work. Hence they wait for some oMraordu.aiy wave of 
 
 r^itrent li h nuvnirrvthem on Us bosom over all impediments into the Kingdom. 
 
 ?;[e \\Trd of od sVl.lon; read : and as a necessary consequence, they entertain very erro- 
 
 neous and un -np nr-i views of what constitutes a work of grace in he soul. We seldom 
 
 h^r of C.M ve si s under the ordinary p.eaching of the Ciospel-and why .' Hccarsc they 
 
 ire h" d CM e t . •'"- I'^'^'l'^ "ro l...lght to look forward .•, the next camp or ,.>rotr«cted 
 
 Meeting or the favoring bilex.Js of the Divine Spirit, ile.ice, in the meantime, they are hke 
 
 ncrso 3 01 board ship, waiting for the rising of the wind that is to carry ihom out o sea. In 
 
 c™uence ithis pVrniciou.s notion, the regular a.ul staled means o grace are otten lamen- 
 
 tablv n ulected. Persons who cm hardly be induced to go half u mile to attend preaching 
 
 on the a:.bba.h, will cheerfully travel ten to be present at a Camp-meeting. t)l course, these 
 
 nprsons are «eldom or nerer seen at weekly praycr-mecting.^. .... - ,■ 
 
 *^ I astlv ;« r Cump-meotings are regarded by not a few as an Insalution for making 
 
 proseht ' ¥ o i loriippears to have been created by observing that these meetings have 
 
 been for the most part, got up in lorulilies w.:ere the cause seemed evidently to be on the 
 
 dec iue ami w here'the inlluence of other Denominations had begun to tell on tlio community: 
 
 Si ha not e.caped observation, that the chief agitators and promoters ot these large gath- 
 
 eHngsgenerallvnanifest, on such occasions, great anxiety to oi.ta.n the names of as many 
 
 per ons as pos: ible, in order to swell the list of ' probati. ners.' They arc told that by on- 
 
 rectin ' t e.nsclves n this way with the bo.ly, they will .i.. . . e great good : at any rate, they are 
 
 assured ft ov should get noVood, they can get no harm. Multitudes of unworthy persons are 
 
 thus in ro<-:..«'ul into tl^ society. The doors arc thrown open, and the pronnscuous cro vd- 
 
 « iood b ad V 1 indifferent -are invited to enter, while the Christian liberality o the Body, vx 
 
 dfba iing .0 e n u ts c< mmnnion, is held up to admiration. '• Thank Ciod," s.id a preacher. 
 
 » we dTnUolon. to the narrow-minded, bigoted sect who throw a fence ^---^^^^^^^^^^ 
 
 and say to those outside, 'Stand oi!', we are holier than thou; wc muHall to cjo to heaven! Of 
 
 course this lii.aai (?) sentiment was highly applauded, while other Denominations, which do 
 
 norfol'low t i^n^ fell m the esteem of the brethren A strong temptation, too, ,s 
 
 offered to the .rlachers 'to try ;o swell the list of probationers I have known cases where 
 
 the resi.lent p eacher. for the time being, had become exceedingly unpopular wi h many of lu. 
 
 people butwh,). alter a great revival effort, in which many had been added to the society, 
 
 s^dde'ly became famous-a man of mark and repute. I was much amused on one occasion, 
 
 bnverhcarin- a conversation at a religious meeting, of which a certain revival preacher was 
 
 the ubi.^" '^'Fs not .Mr. a great man?" "Ah 1 brother, isn't he? it w..s under his 
 
 p eachiil hat Mr. was converted. Cant HE DO IT?'' Of course a preae ler's ability 
 
 5nd qualifications forhiswo.k are judged of by the number ho is ^^ '^^ ^« -'."^ ;" "/ '^ 
 society. I knew a very worthy man, who gave great cifence to the members of his church by 
 preaching from the words, ' Always abounding in the work ot the Lord.' He took occasion 
 lo shew, in the course of his address, that the true prosperity of the church was lathcr ic- 
 tarded than promoted bv those spasmodic cfiorts (alluding to t.r.u.p me- iiag-S &c.), .vuich 
 were made fiom time to"time. lie inilsted strongly on uniform, persistent and unceasing | 
 labor; not resting on th.ir oars three-fourths of the day, and .vhcn the shadows of evening 
 beg-m to warn them of the approach of night, suddenly start up with a • Hurrah! boys-let 
 us go at it !' Though a very worthy man, and an excellent preacher, his ant'.-e.amp-mceting 
 sentiments materially iniured him in the estimation of the members ot his own church Ihe 
 preachers 'WHO c.vn do it,' as it is phrased, are those who can produce the gioa est excitement | 
 at their religious meetings-who can set the people a shouting, c nppmg heir hands, ot^ 
 Stamping with their foot. I have been prc-nt 0!i ocon^icn^ r, ■-'. H'- nieachcrs voice wasl 
 
 1 
 
»Ujio«1 druniii.a U\ tliesc ami ^illliU^ uol-iv a.'moii.itiaiii)iJ.5 ! He wrts, of fourne, regarded Ai 
 'a very- smart' man. A prcat (cmiHatiou is thus oflercil to the preacher to gratily to the full, 
 this ii'ioidinale passion for mere animal oxcitemcni , it being a settled eonviction, that an 
 increase to the Hclv is au 'mposiihility without it. 
 
 You and your bretliren are clearly of opinion— indeed, it seems to be a settled point with 
 you, tliat the •"^extraragauccs" which were exhibited durinj,'the progress of your meeting in the 
 busii, and whicii i dc-^cribcd in my letters in the People's J'rexs, were the marks and evidences of 
 A 1,-nuine work of grace. Hence you speak of them as tlie • unpretending simplicity of babes 
 in (.'hris^,' while 'A Worshipper' styles tiicm 'the exultant outbursts of new-born' souls._ If 
 jour people, generally, believe that shouting, leaping, lau-hing, w histling, and other religious 
 phvsical demoiistratfonH. are certain marks of a work of grace, 1 can only say, that they are 
 laboring under a de!u.^ion, and tha^ you and others are guilty of maintaining and propagating 
 this delusion. It is rash and presumptuous for any one to assert, in the dogmatic and confident 
 manner you do. tliat the • oxiahitioiH ' referred to' were so many evidences of the operation of 
 •the Divilie -Spirit on the hearts of tiiose who atlended \our late ineetin .. There were, we arc 
 told, ' stony gruinid' hearers, who had their liashcs of joy, bi't soon fell away, having no 
 root in themselves— there were those who xnid -Lord, Lord, but did not dn the will of God ' — 
 there were iiyiiocritcs, who ,;])pe,ired like whiled sepul '.ires, fair and beautiful vithout, but 
 within were full of rottenness and don.'\ men's bones; and tliere wer- those that followed 
 Jesus with loud hosannas and shouts of joy. who soon after imbrued iheir hands in his blood. 
 Ah vou have, no doubt, in the ''uurse of your life, attended a good many Camp-meeling.s, and 
 have seen at'lhem, ' religions physical demonstralions ' similar to those witnessed in Yokom'a 
 bush, yoii mutt have met with not a few cases of jtersons who on the canifi-ground were full 
 of religions fervor and enthusiasm, but who .soon after gave unmistakable evidence that they 
 ^vere either self-deceived or arrant hypocrites. 1 have already given you the experience of 
 Wesley on this point, rrcquentlv at "his great meetings, persons were struck down, cried out, 
 leaped, clapj.ed their hands, &c ;' but, as I have nlready shewn troin his works, the great 
 majority ol Lhn,.,e who 'carried 011/ as it is called, in the most noisy and disorderly manner, 
 soon foil awax. His hrother, in writing to him on tliis subject, says,— "! make no ques- 
 tion, Satan, as" far as he gets \> )wcr, may exert himself on smdi occasions, partly to hinder 
 the worK in such as are touched with' convictions, and jiarlly to disparage the work of 
 God, AS IF IT -n-.N-KD TO LKAD I'l-OI'LH TO DISTIIACTION." Wesley himself, from hi.s 
 long'uxperience, saw most clearly, betbro he died, the dangers arising from religious_ enthu- 
 siasm. As he became better acquainted with his own heart, he feit less confidence in these 
 ' outward exhibitions.' " I know." he says, when writing to the Bishop of London, " too much 
 of the devices of .Satan, and the desperate nickcdncxs and deccitjiilness of my oicn heart, not to be 
 sensible that I am a man of like jjassions with others, and consequently may sometimes have 
 mist '••en nature for t/race, and the lire of mv own temper for the pure and sacreii flame of holy 
 zeal, which cometh from (iod's altar." (ine might suppose th.it your o.vn experience and 
 observation, as well as the experience and observations of others, would make you mon 
 cautious in ascribing that to the operations of l! ■ Hoi} Spirit, which may only be the effect 
 of a heated imagination or a spirit of dclur/ion. 
 
 But I have verv wcightv reasons for doubting the genuineness of much of that work 
 which vou and vourbretluen are in the habit of iittributing to the Spirit of God. If any one 
 Ehonts or gets hai)py at your meetings— especially if he fall over— it is at once assumed that 
 be has been converted. I have known cases, where persons in 'getting religion,' as it is 
 called, '.anced in the fulness of their jov. while shouts of '(ilory to God!' were rising all 
 around them, lose their jov a'ld their reiigioii before they had scurcely got to their homes. 
 Christ says, '• Uv TllElU FKUITS ;/c fi/iall k/ww them." '• No,' says the Rev. J. Draper, of the 
 M. E Cluirch, "ve shall know them by their 'religious physical demonstrations;' if they 
 shout, and lenis liud dance, and l.iuoh. and say they have 'got religion,' these arc snflicient 
 . evidences of a work of grace : and the ' Siiectator' that doubts or d/sparages tins evidence is 
 I a blasphemer, an oppos'er of the work of God, and is to be excommunicated from the society 
 of all good luen I" 
 
 It is onlv ignorance. Mr. D.. of the Word of God, the wiles of the Devil, and the despcrato 
 ! inrickcduess and deceiifulness of the human heart, that coul I lead any man to affirm, with the 
 confidence vou do, that the noisv demonstrations of joy, witnessed at you,r late meeting, were 
 the 'exultant outbursts of new-born babes.' One of the characteristics of a soiil that hftS 
 been trulv converted, is a holy fear of I'cing deceived. Being enlightened by the Spirit to see 
 the awful depths of wickedness in the heart, its constant prayer is, ' Search rne, O (lod, and 
 try mc if there be any wicked wav in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.' This holy 
 fear keep."! the soul from being dashed against the rocks of itresumption, and leads it to walk 
 '•ircum«pectlv, cautiously fearing lest a snare may bo laid for its feet. On the other hand, 
 where the work i« simri'on*— and the devil and the human heart together, can co'uiterffit r 
 
 I 
 
 
 
e, rei^ciirded Ai 
 tiiy to the full, 
 iction, that un 
 
 tied point with 
 meeting in the 
 1(1 evidences of 
 dicity of babes 
 arn ' souls. If 
 oilier religious 
 , that they are 
 id propagating 
 ; and conlident 
 lie operation of 
 It wore, we arc 
 ay, having no 
 will of God ■— 
 ul without, but 
 ; that followed 
 Is in his blood. 
 -meetings, and 
 sed in Vokonrs 
 outul were full 
 knee that they 
 ; experience of 
 own, cried out, 
 )rks, tbc great 
 rderly manner, 
 make no ques- 
 )art!y to hinder 
 ;e the work of 
 nself, from his 
 digious cnthu- 
 fidence in these 
 Ion, " too much 
 heart, not to be 
 ometimcs have 
 ■li flame of holy 
 experience and 
 iiake you morv 
 ily be the efiFect 
 
 h of that work 
 od. If any one 
 ? assumed that 
 ligion,' as it is 
 were rising all 
 to their homes. 
 . Draper, of tho 
 ations;' if they 
 ;e arc snflicient 
 this evidence is 
 from the society 
 
 id the despernt'! 
 
 aflirm, with the 
 c meeting, were 
 I soul that has 
 the Spirit to see 
 me, O God, and 
 ng.' This holy 
 leads it to walk 
 
 the other hand, 
 an connterfrit a 
 
 ■I 
 
 4 
 
 i 
 
 rri-nuinc work of grrtco-a presumptuous conli-lencc marks the relioiou^ cxpericM.e The d«- 
 
 genuint work /Trtt fj,,.,,,^ i,, the light of the lire kindled in the soul by human 
 
 Son w i tl c\rrb it^ and hesitat"es lest he fall into the snare of the Kvil On,. 
 
 U S no'unco.n 'on thing to hear those who have been the subjects of a .'^purun.s conversion 
 
 Ilk of tbel ovrand their raptures, while they speak contemptuously of those who canno 
 
 talk »! .^"f'^ J"-\;.^",, ' „„„,- ^/,,c,g of religious riot. To tell tliem not to be • high-mindcd 
 
 but ^ar' i^ to an ^u t on thdr sin'erU^ If it is hinted that they may be building on 
 
 the ^.nd and n on the rock, they instantly take fire and denounce you as unchan a de 
 
 Sfov know hev in coi.vertod-thev kiiow they have got religion. One ot these selt-conUd.nt 
 
 r ints li o.^ • a few nights ago, at a protracted meetin, that ' il the angel Oabno were to 
 
 CO. e down f om licavcn^md tell him he had no religion, won d call Inm a har ! ! - 
 
 Jit des of those pvesnmpt.^ pn.fessors are crushed between the upper and ■"•t';;''- J' " 
 
 ttone?ot Pharisaism aid Antiuioniani.m. The conlidence with Nsh.ch you speak ol Uo 
 
 stone. o\//'' ."^ ";';"' , J ^1,^. ,.,.oiinds of that conlidenrc, convince me that human rather 
 
 fZ:::^:^o^^t:^^^'i^^^^^^ crackled and blazed with so much fury at your 
 
 re ntcC -mt-ting. And I liave rea.on to believe that some at least, have already ceased 
 
 "fee t lie heat of the fire that wanned l.cni up beneath the canv.s of the Tabernacle 
 
 \, oth ei n ark of a ' new-born ' sonl is a willingness to snifer reproach tor ( nnst,-th. 
 nosc^^ion of ; a spirit as that which annnalcd the Apostles when ' ,l,ey deparled rom 
 
 The pre"e"i c of the Council, r.joicing thai the)- were counted worthy to sutler shame lor hi 
 s ke ' II V dilferer.t the spirit displayed by your people during the last six or seven weeks! 
 For doing what John Wesliy. and many ot the promoters oi Methodism have done ^ Un^ n ^ 
 T ha ve b^cn vilif.rd and abated in the coarsest terms. Some ot thrm liave ex Hlul^d to vuds 
 ne' ra c^ w thv onh of the I'rince of Uarkiies.; and I have no d.uiht -InUevero their 
 mvi ig he will, if-lhev-had the power and opportunity, to make mo teel, o my lnJur^ 1 e 
 e lU of their resent'nient. They shew anything but an enlightened and ( hnsiian .pn t. 
 AU tie love, and meekness, and humility, displayed at the Camp-meeting have suddenly 
 evapomtel the saint has thrown off his cloak, and now the ravening woU s ards ally re- 
 vIX to V i'ew! But I have, long ago. learned tliat it is ' not .11 go d tnat gluters.' nor all 
 ; et tl "t a. sumos the cloak, and staff, and speech, of the heavenly I'.lgnm. I am not, there- 
 fore: prepared to endorse your judgment, or tlnit of your brethren, on ihe genuineness ol the 
 work said to have been done at your l.-ise meeting. , r .i i .• 
 
 Oueotherm.rkof a new-born sonl I mention: it is, a tender regard for the honor ot 
 Christ and his <-ause. Lonmzo Uow sajs that society is divhle-l into three cla^^se.. : Ihe 
 adies and gentlemen, who behave well lur the sake of their honor; those who l^e 'uye wel 
 f r the .aivc of Clu-i,t lastlv. those who neither fear Cod nor the DwU. but who do just as 
 tlicY tdei^e " A servant who sets a high value upon the honor and dignity ol his master, will 
 ahA s take care to act in u mainur suitaole to the relation which he su.stains to such a mns- 
 ter ' He will i)e careful not to do or say anything which would have the ellect ol conipmmi- 
 sing the honor or rej.utation of his superior. Paul in writing to Tinmtl^y thus exl.orts him : 
 ' i'et no m.n despise thee = -that is, alwavs act in such a manner hut it will be impossible 
 for any to despise you without making il apparent that they despise Ihni who sent you. Act 
 with the di-nity, gravity and circumspection of a .Minister of Jesus t hr.st. In the e.xerciso 
 of your funcCmnas'an Ambassador for Christ, you will have to appear bef..re sinners as well 
 as before saints: se;; to it, tl-en, that your deportment be such as to rccommen<. the incssago 
 vou are sent to deliver. The Aposth- himself was willing to Mirreoder a portion of iiis 
 Christian liberty that the cause of Christ mignt not be hindered, "All tlsii-.g.:, he say», ' arc 
 lawful for me, but all things are not expedient. Give none olfence. neilber to the Jews nor 
 to the Gentiles, nor to the (•liurch of God. Whether, therefore, ye eat or drink, or whaison-er 
 ve do do all to the glory ^^ God. Kvcn as I please all men, in al things, not srchnj muie own 
 prvlU, but the profit of many that they may be sav.-d." All. then, who have been born again 
 will earnestly emleavor to act with Christian proi,riety i)cforc the world. I'iit tney may 
 recommend to others that religion which they profess to have received. And while it may 
 be lawful for them to do and sav many things whi'di, in certain circumstances, would bring no 
 discredit on religion, they will cheerfully abstain from saying or doing anything which, under 
 other circumstances, woiild expose the cause of Christ to ridicule and reproach. 'T will keep my 
 niont'i with a bridle." ,-ays the Psalmist, " while the wieked arc before me." It may be quite 
 lawful and liroper for a parent or husband, when in the bosom of his own family, to e.xcliango 
 with them tho,>e mutual and domestic endearments, which make homo happier; but which, if 
 exhibited before a promiscuous crowd, would ju.stly expose him to ridicule and contempt. 
 
 Grant that all tho.s-? ebnliitinns of feeling and religious euthu^ni-^m, manifested at your 
 late Camn-meetincr, were the seiiuine outbursts of converted hearts, does it not occur to you. 
 that their effect uimn the mixed mullilude who witnessed them-many of whom, accordiiu: to 
 vour own ehowing, were nnrc loaf.T- and dissolute characters^-mu^t havp hp..n -Md ^W a^« 
 
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 40 
 
 iinproisiouri, iliiuk you, wain maao on iiudli},a'nt inimis, or on tUosc incliii'Ml tu .scepticism, by 
 hearing sonio of the leaders of your meeting itidulgc in a strain of remark fitted rather to 
 "court a (Tin tlian win a tear?" ' Do you believe it is the best iu\d most unexceptionable way 
 of recommcndino- religion to a mixed crowd, to shout, and yell, and rave, and rant, at your 
 religious meetings, like bedlam let loose? Have yon au idea that by associating :he name of 
 the Savior of sinners with tlie names of candidates for parliamentary honors, and then calling 
 on the people to imitate the crowds at political elections, and give a cheer for Jesus Christ- 
 have you the least idea that this is a very proper way of exalting Him in the affections of the 
 people? Were the people generally who attended the- Ganip-mecting, odified by the public 
 confession of some of your brethren' that they had got religion all over them— that they had 
 sanctified hair, eyes, arms, leo;s, kv.l It is quite evident to me that tlie unfavorable impres. 
 sions of religion which might be made < n the minds of your hearers by such demonstrations, 
 is a matter which does not concern you. Five hundred may be hardened in sin, or sent away 
 disgusted at what thev have eccn .'ind heard ; out what is that evil, in your estimation, com-, 
 
 ■ pared to the evil likelv to follow, from putting a little restraint on the extravagances or 'e.xult. 
 ant outburst of new-born souls ■! Nothing— absolutely iioLliiiig. The multitude may sink into 
 hell laughing at the antics of 'ncw-boim souls,' or the vulgar jests ol'tlje jn-eachers ; but what 
 xnatlers it! They are only 'loafers, dissolute character?, or men from th?- canal and dredge.^' 
 They may go to perdition'if they v rase ; but wc are di.'tevmined to have ;\ \good time.' We 
 will leap, and shout, and whistle, and dance, and tumble over, and ' kick up.' just as much a» 
 ■wc please. Tt is nothin:; to us whclhcr people lar.gh or cry! A reuse of Christian propriety ; 
 a regard for the honor of Christ and the credit cf religion, v.im things evidently not beliefcd 
 in at vour great meeting. , » » . ,. 
 
 If you wish to know v.-hat my ivieas are of o. genuine revival of religton,— and I belicT# 
 
 •Hn revivals of religion, and, in my hum'r.le way, pray and labor daily that a true revival 
 of religion may be enjoved in the community among whom I labor— I would recommend 
 •to your attentive perusal' President Edwards* '" Thoughts en the Revival of Religion in New 
 'England in the year IMO." The work is published by the American Tract Society, nnd 
 'may be had for a'feW shillinrs. I believe in such a revival of religion as was enjoyeii under 
 'the ministry of that devoted servant of Christ. And I trust, that, although he was a Tresby. 
 'terian, your prejudices are not go strong as to ji-revent yo\ir reading his book. Vou will 
 'also permit me to recommend to your careful and iirayerful reading, another work by the 
 Wrae author, "On Religious Aft utions." I know of no work more suitable to put into the 
 'hands of vour converts, than those I have named. And if either you or they shall only read 
 'them attentivelv, I shall think mvsclf amplv rewarded for my labor in replying to your letter. 
 ^ You Avill see, Mr. I)., from what I have written, that I liavc little faith in your system. I 
 Relieve that there is a great deal more of what is human al)out it, tliau what in dlvwe; raof 
 ^of man's way than Ood's waif. There are many sincere and simple souls led to approve of it, 
 ^because they themselves may have received some benetit from it. Hut having little scriptural 
 *-knowledge,'and less discrimination, they are blind to the fe.iv 1 evils of which it is the 
 Volific parent. These persons have settled down int > the beliei, that as it is at least pro. 
 ^-ductivc of some good, this is a suthcicnt excuse for all the enormous evils to which it tnfty 
 give birth. 
 
 ^' I am aware that in writing thus. I lay myself open to n charge of bigotry— a charge, by 
 ^the wav, which your people have not been slow in bringing against me. Vou will allow me, 
 hiowevcr, to submit ibr vour consideration, a fact or two which will shew how little ground 
 *^therc is for such au accu'satiou. The word ' bigotry/like the word ' cli irity,' is a ver> ranch 
 "abused and misapplied term. Bigotry means, Mr. 1)., an obslinalc or blind altachmeni to a par* 
 ^■iicular crmi or io certain Imcts ; unrealvnabh. ;^eal or warmth in favor of a sect, opinion or party; 
 -^XCESSIVI^ PliKJl DICK. I s'..ould say that tliat uvan is a bigot who tenaciously holds on 
 •'^to any sect, party or opinion, without being able to give any intelligent or substantial reason 
 *'for hi's preference. To stand up and contend for what :yo intelligently know and believe to 
 "•be truth, is not bigotrv. If it is. then Christ and his Apostles were the greatest bigots that 
 V-er lived; for, rather than surrender their convictions, they were willing to surrender their 
 lives ; and they exhort Christians evervwhere to contend earnestly for the faith cnco delivcreij 
 ^to the saints. 'There is no Theological author of note belonging to your Body, whose works t 
 ^\i\\ii not read and studied with care. I am as familiar with your ' Doctrinal Tracts' and 
 ^''Book of Discipline,' as vou are vourself; and if any Theological work of importance issuel 
 
 " %rom your Press, 1 buy it and read it. Moreover, I have fiequently lent my humble assistance 
 to vutu- society at the opening of .i new mceting-liouse, at tea-mc-etnigs for the riiir-ing of fiin.,3 
 
 l' *'to 'liquidate chapel debts— nay, I have even assisted .at your protracted meetings. 
 
 ^Sicrer been backward, whenever solicited, to throw in my mite in the shape of eermonvS, 
 '^'"gpeeches. notices, Ac: I have never treated any of your brethren unkindly because they and 
 "'I widely differed in our view? of divine truth." Towards you and thorn I cntertaiu no hard 
 
IS. 
 
 i» scepticism, by 
 fitted rather to 
 ceptionablc way 
 d rant, at your 
 iiig '.lie name of 
 md tluMi culling 
 r Jesus Christ— 
 affections of the 
 d by the public 
 —that they had 
 vorable impres* 
 demonstrations, 
 in, or sent away 
 'stiniation, com--, 
 ,'iuice3 or 'exult* 
 ie may sink into 
 clicrs ; but what 
 al and dredges,' 
 ^ood time.' We 
 just as much a» 
 istian propriety ; 
 itly not belie fed 
 
 ,— and I belicT# 
 t a true i-evival 
 )uld recommend 
 Rt'.igion in New 
 Lct Society, nnd 
 s enjoyeii under 
 to was a I'resby* 
 book. Vou will 
 her work by the 
 2 to put into the 
 ,' shall only read 
 ijir to vour letter, 
 your system. I 
 t is divine,' morm 
 to approve of it, 
 ; little scriptural 
 which it is the 
 is al least pro» 
 to which it tnfty 
 
 ry— A charge, by 
 )u will allow me, 
 ow little ground 
 ' is a ver^ much 
 achment to a pat* 
 opinion or party; 
 u.ioasly holds on 
 ibstantial reason 
 w and believe to 
 atest biffots that 
 [> surrender their 
 t,h cnco delivcreij 
 y, whose vrorks t 
 rinal Tracts' and 
 importance issuel 
 lumble assistance 
 
 n ^,\ % ^- \*% r* r\t fnr»rt3 
 
 icetings. I hate 
 bape of sermons, 
 because they and 
 entertain no hard 
 
 lo llterot hell, n.nd deem it my <luty to lift >:p n.y voice against th.m : but I have no pc- 
 
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 • ^ ^^^iZ^on^UU^nv<. of other Deuominatiou... Heuco tlioir Irciucnt nusreprc- 
 '^'"niVnn o h b t ^f Vi^^w^ chur<.h polity of other Societies. Indeed, rt general 
 
 •' : r ; ? rev i a no ' your people, of what otlu'-r Denominations do believe. I could g. c 
 Ignorance, pi t% an. .uaon ju i It present. One of vour ministerial breth- 
 
 ' ': ;;d;;"e':n ;;;: o"::io t\ P c:bvt;^l!;n: bi^ievcd and preached that -there are int^xnts in 
 1' , .nn Inn^- n a kirUhim wheUier he had ever heard any minister preach such a do< - 
 ;:^nc^l^eIiSltlKU h^ h 'd iTJt, b,. a reliable iViend had told him that he had 'All have myseli 
 becn'char.^cd with holding and teaching a .similar tenet ^ r'..KiniRni n\ bv 
 
 ms vcrv preacher, on one occasion, wound up a long sermon against ^^i^l.^'n.'^n (0 'O 
 
 ^^"^"'r. • i.,t.. Mr n which vou and vour niinistcrialbr. thren owe t.» yourselves and m 
 
 ,0 Kusc tl;o "y-,'^,^^\^ "■'''•' , ,1 , ,. vim' s'.i lo„- tru.l. so liulc, ll.at for .1.0 s.Ue ol 
 '■" u;^rr''£V'vvlra tave' >v. to .lo «i,!, .I.cer' ».s .1,0 cry of Ac ■ u,ule«. synnV in ,l,c 
 
 o^AIa.!:^> walki:i{. 
 
 WrLtAND, November, 1863. 
 
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