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Secretary of State for the Colonies, ON THE REPLY OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TRINITY COLLEGE, TORONTO, In answer to the Memorial presented to his Lordship on March 6th, 1890, with regard to the issue in England of Degrees by that University, TOGETHER WITH AN EXPLANATORY STATEMENT. f '\ ^1 LONDON : PRINTED BY C. JAQUES & SON, 58, KENTON STREET, W.C. 1890. A. '-1 EXPLANATORY STATEMENT REGARDING THE TORONTO DEGREES IN ABSENTIA. The intimation recently given in various newspapers that the Committee protesting against the issue in England of Degrees by the University of Trinity College, Toronto, had addressed a "Letter" to Lord Knutsford has caused a number of enquiries to be made as to this subject, and copies of the "Letter" in question have been widely asked for. The action of this Colonial College, and its mode of bestowing Degrees in the Eaculty of Music in this country has been discussed at considerable length 'n our English newspapers, and the whole matter has obtained so much publicity, that an in- creasing demand has been made for information as to the protest of the Commiltte against this encroachment. The newspa{)ers have made public a letter dated September 12th, addressed by the Secretary of State for the Colonies to Mr. J. W. Sidebotham, M.P., a member of the protesting Committee, stating that : — " The Law Officers of the Crown have suggested that a " formal Petition should be presented to the Privy Council by some " one or more of the Universities granting Musical Degrees in the " United Kingdom, complaining of the action of the University of "Trinity College, Toronto; — that the question should *be heard " before the Judicial Committee under Section 4 of the Act consti- " tuting the Privy Council" ; and adding, that "his Lordship will be " happy to give any assistance in his power for bringing the matter " to a hearing." — Consequent on this notification, a retjuest has arisen for more complete information on the whole subject : it is therefore considered desirable to circulate copies of the " Letter" to the Colonial Minister, together with a brief statement of the circum- stances connected with the case. In the beginning of the year 1886, the musical newspapers called attention to the action of the University of Trinity College, Toronto, in establishing an agency in England, for the purpose of granting Degrees />/ absentia in the Faculty of Music* It was pointed out that to obtain these Degrees no literary testing took place, and that liie musical examinations were not on a y)arity with the standard enforced at our home Universities. Candidates who had repeatedly failed at our own institutions, passed the Toronto tests with ease, and obtained these distinctions. It was further shown that England, * Similar agencies have since been opened in Melbourne and New York. Scotland, and Ireland, were amply provided with examining arid de- gree-conferring institutions, and that the intuision of the Toronto College constituted an unwarrantable competition with our legalised Universities. After many pourparlers^ in the early part of the present year, a Committee was formed to examine into the question, and take some public action thereon. This Committee consisted of re- presentative members of the Universities and other examining bodies, the heads of our great Schools of Music, clergymen, and gentlemen of authority in the musical and educational world, Sir John Stainer, Professor of Music in the University of Oxford, being elected Chairman, The names of the members will be found at the end of the " Letter " to Lord Knutsford. The Committee made careful encjuiry into all the circumstances connected with the action of the Toronto College in England, and examined the mode pursued in granting its degrees in absentia. This enquiry resulted in the prei)aration of a Memorial to H.NL Secretary of State for the Colonies, and this was formally presented to Lord Knutsford on March 6th, by a deputation introduced by Sir William Houlds- worth, M.P., a member of the Committee nominated by the Court of the Victoria University, Manchester. In this Memorial, attention was called to the fact that Her Majesty's Charter was granted for the purpose of promoting " the more perfect establishment within *^the Diocese of Toronto of a College in connection with the United " Church of England and Ireland, for the education of youth in the ** doctrines and duties of the Christian Religion as inculcated by that *' church, and for the mstruction in die various branches of science " and literature which are taught in the Universities of the United *' Kingdom." The protesting Committee contended, that though the institution was endowed with "all such and the like privileges "as are enjoyed by the Universities of our United Kingdom of " Great Britain and Ireland," these privileges were valid only in the Canadian diocese named in the Royal Charter, and that " the power "of granting Degrees in England was outside its duties, that such " procedure was not in the intentions of its founders, and is beyond " the powers accorded to it in H.M's Charter." It was shown that though the College was foundeii in 1852, no attempt was made to confer Degrees in Music till the year 1885, when an official called a " Registrar " was appointed in England, and advertisements were issued as to granting Degrees. The Com- mittee urged, that the persons who applied for these degrees were not such bona jide " Students in the said College " as the Charter empowered the Toronto authorities alone to deal with ; that the power of granting Degrees was local, and restricted to those who had received instruction at the University itself: and that the Charter did not confer the peculiar privilege of granting them in absentia, "that being a power which is not exercised by our Univer- sities :" and consequently, that the action of the Colonial institution was altogether ultra vires, and in direct antagonism with the duties, and constituted an infringement of the privileges, of our National Universities. The Committee drew attention to the harm the proceedings of this Canadian College was doing to the true interests of music in this country, and urged that itis action tended to lower the standard of education, and to the discrediting of Degrees generally. In conclusion, the Colonial Minister was respectfully asked to " call the attention of the Authorities of this institution to the non- "compHance with the conditions of their Charter; and further, that "such measures as your Lordship may deem expedient may be "taken to prevent any further granting of like Degrees." — The Memorial was signed by the representatives of the various Univer- sities, and by the other members of the Committee. A report of the proceedings, together with the discussion which took place be- tween Lord Knutsford and the members of the Deputation, appeared in the London and many Provincial newspapers. About two months after this interview, the Rev. Dr. Body, Vice- Chancellor and Provost of the College came over to England, and at once entered into a discussion in the Times on points in connection with the statements in the Memorial presented. In this controversy, the Rev. Dr. Mahaffy, Mr. Gerard Cobb, Dr. C. W. Pearce, Re\. Dr. Hunt, Mr. J. W. Sidebotham, Dr. J. F. Bridge, and Mr. T. L. Southgate took part. The points discussed ranged from the uncalled for intrusion of the Canadian institution into this country, to detailed accounts of the quaHfications required to obtain these Degrees in absentia, Mr. Southgate sending in connection with this, communications from the Registr-^-s of the College- to Candi- dates, offering them a Mus. Doc. Degree .wi the trivial test of writing and scoring a song. Many letters in connection with the dispute, together with leading articles appeared in the musical and general newspapers. Early in June, Dr. Body presented to the Colonial Minister a lengthy " Memorial and Supplement," dealing with the charges ad- vanced against his College, and maintaining that the course taken in setting up machinery to examine and grant Degrees in England was justified by the powers conferred by the Royal Charter, and praying that his Lordship would protect the College in all such l)rivileges as had been granted to it. -According to a report of the interview which appeared in Church Bells, Lord Knutsford asked Dr. Hody, if his University claimed the right to confer Degrees in any Faculty, in absentia, and the Vice-Chancellor's answer was in the afhnnative. The formal Memorial of the Trinity College asserts that " our Degree conferring power is limited only by the enactments of *' the College Council" (Supplement p. 9). This claim constitutes a distinct attack on the privileges of our Universities with regard to the bestowal of Degrees in Arts, Divinity, Music, Law, and Medicine. — (It may be mentioned that the Incorporated Law Society, and the (ieneial Medical Council decline to recognise the Certificates issued by the University of Trinity College, Toronto). Copies of this "Memorial" were sent to Members of the protesting Committee, to various Educational .Authorities, and to the Press. Questions on the matter in dispute were asked in the House of Commons by Sir John Lubbock, and Mr. J. W. Sidebotham, as to the decision of the Government. The answers were to the etTect that the Law Officers df the Crown had not decided on the course to be taken with regard to the complaint : since then. Lord Knutsford has sent the official communication already cited. The Secretary of State for the Colonies kindly i)ermitted the l^rotesting Committee to examine and submit a reply to the " Me- morials " of the Toronto College ; the result of this is to be found in the accompanying " Letter" (dated 7th July), addressed to Lord Knutsford, to which attention is now directed. It relates the history of this Colonial Church College, and shows that its founders only sought authority "to educate ///d7> youth from their own resources in " their own way, with the power of conferring upon them Degrees to '* mark their proficiency:" and it shews, that the special privileges claimed for this institution have also been granted in identical terms to five other Canadian Universities. It describes the procedure of our home Universities, and proves that they do not grant Degrees in absentia, in the manner alleged, and it corrects various mis-statements made in the Toronto " Memorial." Lastly, it draws attention to the danger that if the claim of those directing the Canadian institution to work here be permitted, it follows that they would be free to confer Degrees in all Faculties, on whatever terms they choose, and wherever they like : finally, the protesting Committee again beg the Colonial Minister to restrain the illegal and injurious action of the Canadian institution in the United Kingdom. Oct. ^ist, 1890. In oonneotlon with this LETTER were attaohed APPENDICES. A. Rev. Dr. Mahaffy, Letter on the Dublin University Degrees. Times. B. Mr. Gerard F. Cobb, T-ettcr on the authorized representation of Cambridge 'University. — Musical Times, 0. Rev. Fl K. Kendall, Letter on the non-necessity for an Arts Test. — Tonic Sol-Fa Reporter. D. Mr. Gerard F. Cobb, Letter on the alleged welcome of Professor Sir George Macfarren. — Times. E. Reprint of Article from Trinity University Revieiv. P. Mr. T. L. Southgate, Letter on Professor Sir F. A. Gore OusELEv's opinion of the Toronto Degrees. — Times. G. Oxford, " Directions for Candidates for Degrees in Music." H. Cambridge, " Proceedings in Music." 1. Rev. Dr. Hunt, Letter on the alleged affiliation with Trinity College, London. — Musical Standard. K. Mr. J. W. SiDEUOiHAM, M. P., Letter on "Free Trade in Degrees. " — Times. L. Mr. G. Parker, Statistics of the last 20 years Examinations for Degrees in Music at Oxford University. M. Report of Rev. Dr. Body's Interview with Lord Knutsford. — Church JmUs. N. Particulars relating to the Toronto Mus. Bacs. lial ian Q. \V, A, II. Barrett, Letter on the Toronto M.D. Degree. — Vi( Lani;et, London, 1th July, 1890. To the Right Hon. Lord K nuts ford, K.C.M.G. II. M. Secretary of State for the Colonies, My Lord, Wc beg to thank your Lordship for the permission accorded us through Mr. J. W. Sidel)othani, M.P., to address you witli respect to the statements made in the Reply to our Memorial, as to the issue in Enyland of degrees l)y the University of Truiity College, 'rorontn'iii;e Univirsity Statutes. Stat. A. ehap. ii. sec. 20. — " The Univer- "sity shall have power to admit any Graduate to a higher Degree ui his absence "if his special circumstances require it, but the name of the Candidate shall be "published to the University at least three days before the proposal of the Grace * ' for his Degree. " % " .Statutum est ut si (juis gradum Baccalaurei in Artibus vel in Jure Civili vel "ill Medicina adcptus fueril, , , , , lii;eat ei gradum Ma^jistri in Artibus, 15 of those Bachelors who desire to take the Degrees of Master or Doctor in their several Fv alties, but are unable to come to Oxford for this ]-)uri)ose. The Statute gives the regulations insi-ted on, and prescribes the mode of taking the Deg ees. As at Cambridge, these are the higher Degrees, not the first or Bachelor Degree, which is never granted in abseniid. The University Ca/cndar, p. 46, " De- grees granted to Absent Persons," says : — " A Bachelor of Arts, or of '* Civil Law, or of Medicine, resident in any British Colony, may have *' the Degree of Master of Arts, or of Doctor of any of the three " sujierior Faculties, conferred upon him in his absence. For this " purpose, he must of course attain the standing requisite for each " degree, and obtain the Grace of his College or Hall," iVc. «!v:c., and then follow the requirements. At p. 10 of the Reply, it is stated, that Dublin University grants by diploma degrees in abseniid. Dr. Mahaffy has explained in his letter to the Times (A), that this only refers to the conferrim^ of the degree, and in no wise to the (jualifying for it. This gentleman states that " every one of our qualifications consists of examinations " and exercises performed here, and it is only after these are com- *' pleted, thit the purely formal act of conferring the degree may be " performed, under exceptional circumstances, without requiring the '' Candidate to attend." In 1862 the University of Dublin passed a Decree permitting Students of the University residing in the Colonies, who had already taken a Bachelor's Degree, to proceed to a further step under certain conditions. Terms and Exercises, p. 9, 10.* The University of Durham, in the rare case of applicants for first Degrees who have fulfilled all requisite conditions as to Lectures and Examinations at Durham, and have left before the Degree is formally conferred, may confer the said Degree in absentia, if such applicants are residing out of Great Britain, but in no other case, and under no other conditions. It should be particularly noted that the Faculty of Music differs from the Faculty of Arts, in that for both its Degrees the Candidate is required to attend, and submit himself to pAamination, besides writing an Exercise. This is the rule at all our Universities, and f " Doctoris in Jure Civili vel in Medicina vel in S. Theologia adipisci, quanquam " in domo Congreyationis prsesens hand adfuerit, modo has quae scquuntur con- "ditiones inipleverit." * The Statute, Cap. XIV., runs; "Quod omnes examinatione';, et prailectiones, necessarias ad gradum quern petit, pius in Academia compleverit." . consequently an in abscniiA degree in Music, whether Bachelor or Doctor, is never given. The several Statutes governing the issuing of Degrees have been approved by the Queen in Clouncil, and the Universities are compelled to observe the regulations therein laid doNvn. It will thus be perceived that there is no parallel between the practice of our own Universities, and that of Trinity College, Toronto, in granting degrees in absence. Your Memorialists recognise that the Royal Charter accords to this Institution — so far as the Diocese of Toronto is con- cerned — " all such and the like privileges as are enjoyed by " our Universities of the United Kingdom of Great Britain " and Ireland :" but these privileges can only be those in general use, and which were common to all these Institutions alike at the time the Canadian Charter was granted, not any special duty undertaken by, or exceptional prerogative sub- sequently assigned to a particular University. It is certain that the power of granting Degrees in absentia, as practised by the University of Trinity College, Toronto, is in this sense a privilege which is 7Wt enjoyed by our Home Universities, It must be observed that in the "Opinion,' signed by Sir Horace Davey and Mr. Francis C. Gore (Supplement to Reply, p. 6), these gentlemen, while stating that the Charter incor- porating the Canadian University includes " the right of granting " its degrees in absentid,'' are silent as to th.^ par- ticular Degrees, and under what condition such Degrees can be conferred. The distinction is now pointed out, and your Memorialists beg to call your Lordship's special attention tc the fact, that even had the University of Trinity College, Toronto, a lawful claim to operate in this country, it has mis- apprehended its privileges, and has gone beyond its implied powers by usurping an authority which our own Universities do not possess. 3, With regard to the elaborate attem[)ts which have been made to depreciate the value of our representations in your Lordship's eyes, on the plea of inadequate authorisation, as the action and position of the Cambridge signatories is the one most prominently criticised, we venture or^ this head to invite your Lordship's at- 17 tention to Mr Cobb's letter in the June number of the Musical Times, (copy anncxc'l B). This letter contains several statements with regard to other asjjects of the controversy, which seem to us to have ade- quately met (as it wee, in advance) the main arguments that the Toronto authorities have recently urged l-efore you. As the Chair- man of the Special Board for Music has there fully explained the position of his University, it is unnecessary to dw 11 further on it here. Neither need we comment on the statement, Supplentmt to the Reply, p. 4: — "The Universities of Durham and Victoria are " the only Univensities which have authorised signatures on their " behalf as far as can be ascertained," further, than to declare that the University of Dublin was officially represented in our Memorial to you, as well as that of Cambridge. Independently of the formal representation of these four Universities, the pro- test was signed by the Professor of Music, the Choragus, and a prominent member of the University of Oxford, by the PIxaminers in Music, and a Mus. Doc. of the University of London ; be- sides the chief officials of our great Schools of Music, and other emment musicians. The attempt, therefore, to dejireciate the repre- sentative character of the Address, Supplement to Reply, p. 5, by asserting that it " in no way represents the chief Institutions of the " United Kingdom to whom the power of conferring degrees in " Music has been granted," is not justified by fact. 4. With respect to the statement (pp. 3 &: 4) that no complaint as to the action of this Canadian College was made until the formal presentation of our Memorial to your Lordshii), we haye to say, that attention had frequently been called to its action here in the various Musical Journals ; and in the Tonic Sol-Fa Reporter for March, 1887, (C) api)ears a letter from the Rev. E. K. Kendall, M.A., in reply to some editorial strictures on the intrusion of the University with which he was ofificially connected. 5. The Rev. Dr. Body has repeatedly stated, that a "large num- "ber of English musicians of high standing" invited this University to establish an agency here, and to issue these Canadian Degrees in London : this assertion has been frequently challenged, and Dr. Body has been asked to name these eminent musicians, but he has failed to do so, although he has declared, in a letter to the Times^ 18 April 6th last, that "Trinity University, Toronto, courts and ''de- mands the fullest en(iuiry." At page 3 of the J\cply there is ([uoted a portion of a letter fn^m the late Sir George Macfarren expressing his belief that " the Universily of Cambridge would sui)port that of *' Toronto in the matter of NU^ ical Degrees." I'he Chairman of the Board of Musical Studies has already shown in a letter to the Times (I)) that any communication of the late Cambridge Professor on this subject must have been unofficial and private. In the absence of any corresponding extracts from the communication to which Sir George Macfarren's letter was a reply, it is clearly impossible to determine the value which is to be attach;:d to his very guarded phrases, even as a mere expression of personal feeling. As, however, he asks to be "favoured with full j)articulars," it is natural to sujjpose that the information then before him was not sufficient to warrant the formation of any very definite opinion on the subject. To those of us who best kncv the late Professor, especially those who were most closely associated with him in his University work, it seems absolutely incredible that he can evef have intended to express approval of such a i)roceeding as that now under consider- ation. As Professor Macfarren's letter is (juoted at greater length in an article which appeared in the Trinity University Revie^v than in the Rt'ply^ a reprint of this article is herewith furnished for your Lordship's inform.ation (E). The late Oxford Professor, Canon Sir Frederick Gore Ouseley, expressed an unfavourable opinion of the Toronto degrees, and considered that the intrusion of this University into England was unjustifiable. A reprint of his letter on the subject is attached (F). I 6. Your Memorialists note that in the Reply, the only attempt made to justify the encroachment of this Canadian College takes the form of an allegation (page 12), that "the Universities of the " United Kingdom (exercised) exceedingly small inlluence upon " Musical Education generally," and that therefore the Toronto College came here " to meet a proved need." In reply to this at- tempted justification of its action, it must be pointed out that our home Universities have been far from supine as regards the Faculty of Music ; the last 1 5 years have been with theni a period of excep- tional activity in the Art, and many important changes of constitution and of 'procedure have been carried out during that time. It is no dQLibt truQ thai thg nuiiibtjr of Degrees cgnferr^d iu tht; Faculty of 19 Music has been, on the whole, small ; this, however; is not owing to any deficiency in academic interest and nctivity, still less to any dinn'nution in the number of Candidates, It is solely due to the hi^^h standard which the Universities have deemed it proper to re(iuire. If therefore it be found that the Canadian University has been able numerically to outstrip the home Universities in this matter, we respectfully suggest that the reason must be sought in some special differences in the method and ])rocess of acquiring the colonial degree, which makes the task of obtaining it an easier and more attractive one. It is still our opinion that there is no legitimate place here for the Toronto College. 7. At pp. 7 & 8 of the Reply ^ reference is made to the Charter granted in 1837 to the University of Durham, and attention is there called to the fact that the endowment was provided for "the wants " of the surrounding district," and for "our loving subjects es[)ecially *' in the northern parts of our realm of England." It must be re- marked, that in this case, the words employed have not the same limiting tendency as those used in the Toronto Charter, in which express reference is made to the Diocese itself The Act of Parliament dealing with the establishment of the University permits it to make such Regulations as the Dean and Chapter of Durham (for the time being), the Warden and Professors, " by writing under their common seal with the consent of the Lord " Bishop of Durham, shall order and prescribe." The Regulations referring to the affiliation of the Colonial Colleges were made for Codnngton College in 1875, and for Fourah Bay in 1876. The action, therefore, of the University of Durham in granting degrees abroad is quite legitimate, and we would venture to point out the very marked wt^ra/ difference between the case of an English University conferring degrees in places like Barbados and Sierra Leone — where an adequate academic system is scarcely to be looked for, although it is desirable that our Negro and other fellow-subjects dwelling there should study and take Degrees recjuisite for there future stains, — and that of a Colonial L^niversity setting up a rival system in the mother country where ample provision exists, and has existed for centuries. 8. We are aware that the efficiency or otherwise of the Toronto ILxaminations is only a sid^ issue, but, we observQ t,hg,t the ori^ina,! 20 contention of our Memorial as regards the "disparity" between its Dcf^'rocs and those of the home Universities, is combated in the Reply by the presentation of a comparative Table of Examination Rociuire- ments. A paper comparison of this character cannot afford a safe and adcjuate guide on such a point, but as even this comi)arison is incorrectly given, detailed and corrected particulars of the reciuire- ments at Oxford and Cambridge are hereto annexed for your I.ordshi])'s information (G, H). Even a reprint of the actual Papers set would give no mformation as to the marks given, or the system of giving them, or the number of marks which constitute a pass. The mere difficulty of a Paper therefore affords no clue whatever to the standard of the Examination, or the slatus of the Examiners. With reference to the various schemes of Examinations printed in Appendix III. of the Reply ^ we beg to call your LordshiiVs attention to the "Re(iuirements" set out for the Oxford Doctorate. It there appears that an " Exercise" only is required, and that there are no "Subjects" for the Candidate to be examined in. This is ([uite incorrect ; the Candidate is tested in nine Subjects^ and the Examination is conducted on similar lines to tliose given in the Cambridge column. Moreover, a period of five years is required to elapse before a Bachelor of Music can take the Doctor's Degree, whereas by the Table given, it does not appear that any interval is necessary. The particulars given as to the Recjuirements for the Degrees at Dublin are also inaccurate. i: 9. An attemjit is made to compare the procedure of the University of Durham in conducting its examinations for degrees in the West Indies, and in Western Africa, with that of the University of Trinity College, Toronto, in this country, but the procedures differ materially. Students have first to pass a Matriculation Examination similar to the University Examination at home, and they are obliged to forward to the Warden at Durham certificates of having fulfilled the same conditions as to residence, attendance at lectures and discipline, as are required from the Students in situ. The Papers sent to the Colonial Colleges are identical with those worked by Candidates examined at Durham ; all these Papers are returned to Durham, where they are tested and marked by the University Examiners : the degrees are afterwards bestowed by the Bishop of Barbados, acting under Commission. \sx tht; case of those entering for the TorontQ ej^aminations ir\ 21 Music, whether held in Canada or liere, there is no such Matricu- lation Exaininntion, iVc, and the Pai)ers in Musi(! are looked over here, and not in Canada : the two procedures therefore are not alike. the in 10. The University of Ix)ndon stands in an unique [)osition. Its Charter expressly declares that it was founded for the encouragement of learning, and "the promotion of useful knowledge to all Classes *' and denominations of our faithful subjects .... both in the "United Kingdom and ehnvhere." (Sec. 2.) The Examinations in the Colonies for Matriculation, and for the Degrees of B.A., and Lt.B. are appointed by the Senate from time to time, only ui)on the appli- cation of the Governor of any Colony, desiring that a place there m • be named as a centre for one or more Examinations. Every such application must be forwarded to the Senate through the Colonial Office at home. The Examinations are ri'(iuired to be under the superintendence of a responsible Sub-Examiner, who must be api)ointed by the Governor of the Colony, and receive from him the papers set, and transmitted from London. On the conclusion of the Examination, the Sub-Examiner delivers the pai)ers worked by the Candidates into the custody of the Governor of the Colony, who has previously applied for such examinati(jn, and who is required to transmit them under seal by the next mail, through the Colonial Office, to the Registrar of the University in London. 'J'he Honours F'xaminations in Arts and Laws cannot be held out of England. It will thus be perceived how greatly these Examinations differ from those of the Toronto stablishment, despite the claim made in the Reply (p. 4), that " tlie procedure has been precisely " similar to that adopted by the University of Loudon in the *' Examinations which it has for more than twenty years past cou- " ducted in various parts of the Empire." It should further be noted, that the London Matriculation Examination is a real Examin- ation and test, whereas the so-called "Matriculation" cf those who enter in England for the Toronto Degrees, consists in paying a fee, declaring allegiance to the Queen, and promising obedience &c. to the Chancellor of the University in Canada : trifling as is this for- mality, your Memorialists know from evidence in their possession that there are cases where even this slender initial proceeding has not been exacted. , Up to the present time, no Degrees in Music have been given in the Colonies by the University ef London. . . CL. 23 It will be observed that the ('barter of the Tnive'-sity of T/ondon was granted for ///////a// purposes, while that of the Toronto ("oiU^e was granted for strictly Lonil ones. 'J'he posiiiijn of the University of London thus differs widely from that of the Canadian institution, and the way in which Students are affiliated and the Kxaminations are conducted ;ilso differs materially. 15eyond these considerations, (as connected with the identical examination claim made in the Reply ,) we would call your Lordship's attention to the fact that the Royal Charter was not granted to the llniversity of London until 1863, more than eleven years after that is; ued a> the University of 'JVinity College, Toronto. Tiiis Canadian Charter must therefore be regarded as relating to and conceding (within the diocese of Toronto) only similar i)rerogaiives and usages to those then existing at our English Universities ; it was woi /^nnpec/ive, nor did it confer any duties and powers which were not in existence at the date it was granted. It will thus be seen that the Canadian College can advance no legitimate claim founded on the extra-littoral proceedings of the University of London, or on the Colonial work of the University of Durham : the analogy attempted to be deduced from the practice of these two home Universities cannot be sustained, and it nuist not be assumed that their exceptional action is the custom or usage of all our Universities, as is asserted at p. 10 of. the Reply. 11. Although your Memorialists have expressly disclaimed any desire to comment on the action of the University of Trinity College, Toronto, so far as its \ rking in Canada is concerned, they cannot but note that the claim advanced, Reply {[>. i.), as to its having taken part "in the advancement of musical knowledge in the Dominion of " Canada, which has distinguished this University from the " outset," is certainly not borne out by the Official Calendar of the Institution, so far as the taking of Degrees is concerned. With the exception of one single degree, a Mus. Doc, granted in 1858 to Mr. G. W. Stralhy — for services rendered — no Degrees appear to have been conferred until 1886. It should be observed that this was the year after a " Registrar" had been appointed for England, and the scheme of Examination in this country had been started. I ; 1 ! 12. With regard to the statement in the original Memorial that persons who had repeatedly failed to pass the rudim«2ntary tests at Our Ktiglish in«5titiitions had yet obtained the Toronto degrees'; at Af^f'Cihiix VII. J). 4., it is said "only two such instances arc ^;iven," and also \\. 13, '*\'uur Memorialists are unaware of any such cases *■ of failure on tlic part of Ciraduates of tlie University of Trinity " (.'ollege, Toronto, as are vaguely referred to in the llnglish Me- ** morial." If your l^ordship re(iuires further assurance that our original assertion is correct, jjarticulars of many cases can be sup- plied to you in confidence. 13. The str jment, Supf^Ument to Reply (p. 18), and Appnidix VII., that it does not appear to be- customary for Cir.Khiales in Music to add the name of their University after their Degree, is unfortu- nately true. It is just on this account that a Toronto gr.uluate, wiien he omits " Toronto," may lead tlie public to believe that he holds an Knglish Degree from one of our older Universities. The Rev. Dr. Hunt, the Warden of Trinity Colieye, London, has already answered in the Musical Siandard {X)^ and form;illy to your Lordship, the allegations brought against his Institution at j). 3 of the Reply, so it is unnecessary to dwell on the matter here. The statement at the bottom of |). 8 of the Reply, to the effect that it is believed the University of Durham has established I'Aam- inations in tlie Faculty of Divinity in .\u.itralia, is quite wrong; no such Examinations have been established. 14. A paragraph in our original Memorial drew your Lordshii)'s attention to the danger that if this claim to grant Degrees in Music were allowed, the University of Trinity College, Toronto, would be encouiaged to extend its scher ' and to confer Degrees in Arts, Law, Divinity, and Medicine ii. x^^ngland. At p. 12 i^i Xh'^ Reply, we read: — "On behalf of the University " it may perhaps be well, although it seems somewhat unnecessary, " to formally assure your Lo/dship that no such step is contemplated, " or is ever likely to be taken." But in connection with this dis- claimer, we beg to call your Lordshi[)'s attention to p. 7, where it is stated that "Her Majesty has been pleased to fully and unre- ^^servedly grant powers" to this Canadian Institution ; and further, to the significant contention on p. 9 of the Supplement : — " Thus our " degree conferring power is limited only by the enactments of the " College Council and the necessity of the sanction of the Lord 24 " Bishop or Bishops," a claim (your Memorialists venture to remark) of a most sweeping and extraordinary kind. If this all-embracing and uhicjuitous power be conceded, the Charter which was granted to this Institution by Her Majesty practically makes it the greatest and most extensive degree-conferring University in the world. A possible extension of the Toronto scheme, is of vast import to the community at large. If the Canadian authorities be permitted to exercise their so-called "rights" in England, then it follows that their powers are not limited to the Faculty of Music, but they would be free to examine and confer Degrees in all other Faculties, on whatever terms they choose, and wherever they like. Since our Memorial was presented to your Lordship, Mr. J. W. Sidebotham, in a letter addressed to the Times, on "Free Trade in Degrees," (K) has called public attention to the peril arising from freedom being c needed to the L »iiversities of Canada, Aus- tralia, India, New Zealand, the Cape of Good Hope, and other legally constituted Universities in various portions of Her Majesty's Dominions, to establish agencies and dispense Degrees in this country. Mr. Sidebotham further points out, that if such a concession be permitted to any Colonial University, it would doubtless encourage competition from alien Universities, equally desirous to supply per- sons with Degrees, and probably on easy terms : such a condition of affairs would work incalculable harm to learning, and result in serious injury to the public generally. Your Memorialists cannot but regard such a possibility with great apprehension ; and they would with all respect observe, that although it is now averred that (p. 12) such an enlargement of the Toronto scheme in this country is "never likely to to be taken," such a step is always possible. The nature of an University is that of a continuing institution ; no one connected with it is in a position to give a valid and lasting guarantee that a change in its system will never be made, or that such an e.'tension as has been suggested will not be carried out. For the additional reasons your Memorialists have advanced in this communication, and in consideration of the whole circumstances of the case, we again pray your Lordship's interposition to restrain thl; injurious, and, as we maintain, illegal action in the United Kingdom, of the University of Trinity College, Toronto. 25 Once more tendering our thanks for the permission granted to address your Lordship a second time on this matter, We are, Your Lordship's humble and obedient Servants, The CoMMriTEE protesting against uic Toronto Degrees. Signed ■^ by request, and on behalf of THE COMMITTEE. llnibrrSttt) of Sir JOHN STAINER, M.A., Mus. Doc. Oxon., Professor Mas. tf^lfoitJ. Univ. Oxon., Examiner in ]Mnsic, Load. Univ., Inspector of Music to the Education Department. C. HUBERT H. PAftRY, M.A., Mus. Doc. Cantab, et Oxon., Choragus Univ. Oxon., Professor Royal (Jollege of Music. J. H. MEE, M.A., Mus. Doc. Oxon., Precentor Chichester Cathedral. tlnibtrflttn of C. VILLIERH STANl^ORD, M.A., Mus. Doc. Cantab, et Oxon., CambrtlJQC* Professor Mus. Univ. Cambridge, Professor Royal College of Music. G. M. GARRETT, M.A., Mus. Doc. Cantab., University Lecturer in Counterpoint and Harmony. GERARD F. COliB, M.A., Chairman Board of Musical Studies, Cambridge Univ. (Accredited by the Council of the Seriate. ) Sir ARTHUR SULLIVAN, Mus. Doc. Cantab, et Oxon., Examiner in Music, Cambridge Univ. C. W. PEARCE, Mus. Doc. Cantab., F.C.O., Examiner in Music, Cambridge Univ. I ! 26 mmber^itp of Sir ROBERT P. STEWART, Mus. Doc. Dublin, Professor cBcrtnttp JDublin. Music, Univ. Dublin. ^ M ^ (By direction qf the Board of Trinity College^ Dublin.) Hon ^Untbergftn of W. POLE, F.R.S., Mus. Doc. Oxon., Examiner in Mu.sic, U aonUon. Lond, C J. HALL, Mus. Doc. Lond. mv. tonic Col (Slntbtrjiitl) of ^ev. H. KYN ASTON, D.D., Cambridge, Canon of Durham, ProfW"^!)^'" SJurham. Crreek and Classical Lit. in Durh. Univ. P. ARMES, Mus. Doc. Oxon. (Bi> authority of the Senate, Durham University.) bdOfintcl maotin Sir WILLIAM HOULDSWORTH, M.P., Member of the Cor.rl"^ ^^^ ^ mnibergiti). "* Cxovernors. ■ ana Hi. H. HILES, Mus. Doc. Oxon., Lecturer on Music, Victoria rnBfEramin- versity, ]\Ianchester. (By request of the Court, Victoria. University.) Sir HENRY L. ROSCOE, M.P., LL.D., F.R.S. aRonal lacatJcmi) A. C. MACKENZIE, Mus. Doc. Cantab, et St. Andrews, PrinciiJ of fHuiStC. Royal Academy of Mnsic. T. THRELFALL, Chairman Board of Management, R.A,M. W. H. CUMMTNGS, F.S.A., Hon. R.A.M., Hon. Trefis. Roy. S,. Musicians. G. G. T. TREHERNE, a Director, R.A.M. (SuiItJl)an i&djool H. WEIST HILL, R.A.M., Principal Guildhall School of Jluvi of ^xxiit. C.WARWICK JORDAN, Mus. Doc. Cantuar., Mus. Bac. Ox F.C.O., Professor GuildhaU Sch. Mus. CoITfgf of E. H. TURPIN, Mus. Doc. Cantuar., Hon. Sec. Coll. of Organic;! (©rgani^tS. j. hIGGS, Mus. Bac. Oxon., Royal College of Music, F.C.O. M, E, WESLEY, Treasurer, College of Organists, 27 Professor c!|j[rinttp College, J. W. SIDEBOTHAM, M.P., Mua. Bac. Oxon., Vice-Presiilent lonUon. Trinity College, Loudon. ihlin.) B Rev. H. G. BONAVIA HUNT, Mus. Doc. Dubl, Mua. Bac. Oxon. (Warden.) Mu.sic, Uni-| Conic ^oL'dTa J- S. CURWEN, M.R.A.M., Pres. Tonic Sol-Fa College. College. ui: iham Pi f^''^'^!?^'"" College^ J. P. BRIDGE, Mus. Doc. Oxon., Gresham Professor of Music, Examiner in Music, Oxford aud Cambridge, Professor Royal College of Music, Organist of Westminster Abbey. Hy.) iionattti ?3oarU Lord CHARLES BRUCE, B.A. Oxon., Chairman of the Board. of tl)e m.^.ui. ana 3a.€.p[. for Hocal ' of the Coil Victoria riiJiSfaniinationg. 2WS, Princij') R.A.M. as. Roy. S, Sir GEORGE GROVE, D.C.L., LL.D., Director of the Royal College of Music. F. E. GLADSTONE, Mus. Doc. Cantab., Hon. R.A.M., Exunaner in Music, Cambridge. Sir GEORGE ELVEY, Mus. Doc. Oxon. W. PARRATT, Mus. Bac. Oxon., Prof. Royal College of Music, Organist to the Queen, and at St. (-reorge's Chapel, Witidsor, J, BARNBY, Precentor and Organist of Eton College. ool of jMu^ s. Bac. Oxti: of Organic ;, F.C.O. C. VINCENT, Mus. Doc. Oxon., Secretary S. E. Sec. National Soc. Professional Musicians. H. P. GADSBY, F.C.O., Professor of Harmony and Singing, i.nd Examiner in Music, Queens College. T. L. SOUTHGATE, Hon. Sec.