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It was not my intention to a](Jpear' in thiaVshapo before the public ; my.first communication was well nigh ready for insertion, when I saw it announced ^ in the Mercury that no more communications on this subject could be admitted into the columns oi^" that paper ; it was then my intentipn of abandoning the matter altogether. I had not at that time seifeu any thing of the fooner part of the discussion ; bu\ , on perusing lyE.'s letter, I felt an irresistible desire to V correct what I considered glaring errors, in that j ^production. I may have been wrong in attacking the opponent of anj^her; but as " Anglicus" ex- /; pressed but little desire to prolong the discussion, I lelt unwilling to allow M«?s assertions to go before the public uncontradicted. My reply would have appeared long ere this, but for two reasons: First, j indecision whether to let it appear at all; and se-/ condly, having butr little time'to devote to the sul*- ject, and having somewhat enlarged upon -^ha^ I had at first intended to • communicate through/tlie • press. Taking these into Consideration will, I feel {iersuaded,.prove a sufficient apology. In order that I may not be charged by « M" witli ^ misquoting such extracts from his letter as\ I may be disposed to coml)at, I have given the letter in full, and leave the issue in the hands of a discerning public. . V Respectfully yours, 'i r>- * 'i \ i. .■/■■ :-••' \ .. ! \ . 1' • ■ •■ ' vS :/■' ■'}' M'S. L'ET^TER f O ANGLIClJS, WITH r JASON'S REPLY. To the EdiUrr of the Quebec Mercury. Sir,— The answer of Anglicus to my last is a long one. He has done, I am confident, all that he possibly ' could to sustain his position, and yet after all, his letter is any thing but satisfactory. He has indeed brought forward a great deal of irrelevant matter, the introduc- tion of which, although it may shew that Anglicus has read much, will also prove hinf to have no claim to Jhe character of a close and acute reasoner. Now 4.^ has > neither corrected nof indicated the correction Jf Wl, or ahy of my statements, as I will prove bey»nd thej^essi- bility of cavil. It would have been much better Tor A. sin(^ he appears desirous of quitting the field, to-have left iriV last letter unanswered, for he will now a?e and be convinced that my arguments are far from being ex- hausted, and that he has no chance of retiring, except as a thoroughly discomfited individual. In fact, 1 would leave the matter in dispute, after 1 havfe writteir this let- ter to the decision of twelve enlightened Protestants, and confidently abide the result. But now to the point, I de- fied A to find out any doctrinal differences between Au^ gustine and the British bishops, and *^miraMle dktu>' he refers to Soames, and Soames, says that on matters of doctrine, the two parties were sufficently agreed ; I refer the reader to the first note appended to the last, letter of Anglicusi This was a rather unlucky admission for him to make, for it strongly eorroborates my arguments, and will I trust, convince every impartial reader. Anglicus wanders away from the subject under consideration, by saying that neither of the parties believed all, that is now embodied in the decrees of the Council of Trent. To )ik4» r' *^ority. Anglicu, .peak, of ^c'r?'"""**'' ^^^y goo^lTu. Jl" -Antichrigt. who woi.1^^^ »;ood ,t, wa. one of Ce Ind W«. ^'^ ^^^' ">«" "nder 't ^a. applied in a prjpe4"i''tet^'»^^^ . «=edon to the Popes^tSftSr' ^ ^''^ ^•""«" <>f Chal noineanafoIlo^Pf^Cfe^^ But .it by So«-^ °" '"''^ ^«» vested ii^ ttm""??^ ""^ C''"»t'« tollowng quotations from Pr! "1" ^'"""st the tnro hereader. «It isev£ toTtL t™'''' '^"' «^^^^ *hat the care of the whole r? T" ''"°'' Ihe^GespeJ JJ'ce committed toSt P^ter^he Pr" ^"> °"'- ^S tl h^™ "^^ primacy of the'wboleChf^V''^ ^e°«^'«- 1ohjm,and yet he i.\ot calS th? '^'^'^ " *=°'^"''"ed f e Apostolic, whU is th^ tt !?^ ^'^^•^^d by ?he ' J now return to Bede. and I tf ^^ ^^ Ohurlh^l am not afraid to quote fhe^" ^^""^ ^"8"«w, that I \v"^«gs bearing ^po„C_reset? ^«er stating the unsucceasfulK of th-'"^^^ '"dispute. *ede gires an account of thl !1 J *^* ^"* interview meeting the Brito Jhad bei„ -T-'^- . ^^«^'<'"« to ThTs* disregard Augustine, ?f helLid'^T'^ ^^ « ^^"nit t Proach Bede continues 5ius^"it w '° ""^ ''^ ^^eir an! came, that Augustine wa."eate^ ?&!•?"?' ^^^en they ja^', they became angr^ anj !i ^'"."^ 'vhen^hey Buthesaidtothem: inl.nitK-^'"*^ ^^'^ of pride tion to our usage., n.y' toXi'fe??" ''' '? 4^^' . _y moseot the Universal ChJrch, 4 nter upon that *' laijy per- «;■«»», l«t hiin '^nich may be l«^cry tfenet, 'flay, fiede 'otestant was ery goodau- ''Prany.per- >r Univeinal wan under- ; nd although wl of Chal- But .it hy of Christ's ist the two will satisfy he-GespeJ, Jur Lord's A^osf Jes. Joiftmitted Apostle. b« called , MtWa ^- I an- d by the urches:^ w, that I rt of his »J«n«t> J"» ^! H assigning any or a very insufficient reason forthair «j fusal' Even when resistance was unjustifiablt, an J higher principles' w?re not at stak«, the Ch\irch has oflef relented in her injunctions, lest disastrous consaqucnoiB should ensue. ' , , For illustrations of these remarks, we need notfeo hack to the 6th or 7th cenlury-thcy are to be found in almost every age. The laxity of disciphne introduced i*»'\ .-.-f? ''V -4- ■•■■ ■ ' ■ " aHhat fime into the Briiiahri, u . G,Ww, exp|ai„3 dearly whv .JL "'"''''' '^ '^^ 'earn from 7' W complied withZ AJ:*i"l*"*o*>o witlafiei »»• condilion, reqjjre,! [1 T "•^e ««« "y thai iS. . "« lliat Sprtmin YoMJir". •*?" "J ""wom for!., ^ .. • ""•'P°«7Pl»Ijw|,e„ ■••. ^ .I. %-., -\ '^-^ / '«^e 'earn from nwi/ling to aub- M Home. On to bo witiafied, ? demands he ey would unite ► Savons, is a "^Jlmoreea- roe (although l^y that the '«♦ the only » the prin«i. but J ivaa hot- for tve read '■agreement, *«-ofLaw, ^P8 as their ' 'tomofthe arts of x\iQ 'ndj which » wasack- i^es. The It that he er cnotro. B assigned t t^s ab- be could 'n ''iow, ^}^^^ 'praajr, ^mo, it offiv- i where ihen id the* abstfrJily in atiribulJDg the palernity of this piece ^o him,' who fir« displayed it to the world? If Anglicuft had read Bi^iiop Kenrick*8 excellent work, he would, 1 am surq, conf6««a* that Bairow was annihilated, and Hopkins crushed, and he would exonerate me from the difficult task of, pulling dowfi xapes, citadels and mountains) - 1. "Was right ivhen I expressed jny surprise^ that Anglicus should have referred^o Fuller and Collier* as safe authorities. " Aiidi alteram jM:aiem'* a» 9i good advice, and should be pract^d bjf , every man who would wish to .arrive at the knowledge of the trutlrr^ Anglic^a appears to think that^lhe authority q( Prosper ' is not good, since it is, Ai he says, opposed to the testn krtony of Bede, Freculphus, &c. ; now I deify that it is' contrary to flie statement of Bede, for although, a synod of bisliops was hetd in France, and Germanus and JLupus sent over to Britain, it dofts not follow that they might not aUo^have been deliegated by the Pope, biit it does follow that the- British Church was in coapraunion with the Gallic, and the latter was inconteetably in com- munion with Rome. Lupug too who 4iccoropanied Germanus was brother to the ^reat Vincent of Lerihs, who wrote tlie'^ifleijdid " conmtonitonum'^ in behalf of Catho'ic faith against tIi«jf(nova:tion8 of all heretics and wouid-bereformers. Anglicus does not attempt to re-, fute the authority ofX^ildas— he says that Rome was the : centre. of^ civilization, and that thereexiated in'thtt city a very ancient church ; but all this will not account for the fact that British ecclesiaatica resdited there, for the purpose of procuring good benefices in their own coun- try. I wilt, therefore, be obliged to igclude this irresis.^ table argument in the summary which I will, by and by, . present to him. The testimony of Rycemarcli is not based upon tl^ assertions of Lingard, but upon the writ, ings of St^ David, who Uved in the 5th century, an' ««"y tl.« i, ,„„'^3* terminate. Th» cCh™f ^' T'r*"^' «»'"''l "eve/ ofh™tl,at..he^4„-J»f"e»dW ' / ,. ■ """"Powitbiiiitelf in .-/ lends it as ll,'e ■ appeared. I ier mercies of ^iH a bare as- ny aiTgumem, « time lo be « is too bad, w:ouId never id can prove nchangeaWe ible charter Jlearly to all er heavenly >fNicearid dispute her ;-hoIder of iesty's spe- « exempli, 'ndon says abting (hat . 8 carrying "ate con- js speaks, rom their »s purely 'roiestant . r old did 1*8 were lot long I to ^ ,; •ng their hem fit » atten- fwman vrote a But I he is >n, for • elf ift ptin nt. After Mr. "Newman wrote this trealiee, he re- ceived a letter from the learned and eloquent Bishop -^tp^ Langrep, in France, in which he was informed, that his views, on this subject, vi'ere not ortiiodos. In reply, be ° stated, that at the tTme he wrote that vvoriir, be was ncrt / fully instructed in Catholic doctrine. Even on this con* tinent, the illustrious Brownseii, in a series of lucid arti- cles, in his powerful review, completely de^moKshed nil the arguments of Newman. And, here, I wodttjespect. is^revi^w to fully recommend the attentive perQ^l of this Anglicus. I am sure it would be.of infinite service to him. Dr. Wordsworth, it appears, from what Anglictis says, admits the lawfulness and expedienlcy of Catholics remaining attached to their Church.^Why th^n, such dissension in the religious woridf Oh; why have Pro- testants broken off from the Parent Church, if salvation is ' obtainable in her bjbsom ? And, here, I would call upon every Episcopalii^i), on .every reflecting man, to pause and ask himself/ the question, vvhetber he should any longer conthiue Attached to a Church, which Catholics deny to have ahy sanction from Heaven j and which,' therefore, is insufficient to conduct her votaries to it,, or whether. they should not rather take up their bed anil walk, and go over to that old, venerable, time.honored faith which Dr. Wordsworth admits to be sufficient for all the spiritual requirements of man? Anglicus must per- mit me to eay, that the assertion, that the Church ever clairiked to alter passages in the Scriptures and the Father«, is unfounded- and untrue; and I here pledge myself at any moment to prove it so. The introduction of the false decretals into his letter, by Anglicus, will not ad- vancQ his cause mudi. This famous collection of canons bearing the name of Isidore^ have been condemned by the learned as a clumsy invention of the 9tb century. Some big9ts have rashly charged the Pope with origina't. ing this imposture, but the best antiquarians trace it to Mentz, in Germany, and allow that Papal power was not the primary object of the compiler. 1 will adduce an authority, which; I am sure, Anglicus will admit} it V. •^' J:' A H • ! I !« that of the Prof- , t-iallr destined .« ^''^""'"ve inienfmn * " '^^ vvil] admit thZi^J^^ sovereigns » / / / "^*^"' ^^♦'"'o- vvill now aS^f" ^''^ fi'-«^t Point or ?h/^'''''«"'"ent8 of '^^''•c;AngIicu :;„«""^^^^ CouncTof A?^"'"''':: year 3 14 T^ i . ',^ "^ ^ former Ui*^ ^riea, of •end h mself in . "'^'f/orrow thai i.. , . ''""""a terrarum »' c , *<* «" churchen «. ^ ^<* "^ke ««««C to fe r-'''^*- -e hav:a p?:[t!°*"™ P^e"* the year ^47 '^W **! *''« ^oun^ of R^rV . B'^iii^h Bishops «« ^fT» ''^"^ St A ^^"^' ^<^W in {i'-Counc^uJJorteXt ^'^'"- ^^-f tS' *^«» ^ope. And in »k • , ^"^ P''oceedinM in ? .- **''»e'» of *^nd tnost }»AitZ,i y}^^^*^^'^ Tliis ~^ij ^^ Heart """'"er, refer to, t." J"* •«»nd loni- i " '"""'. I ettwm ii .. I "^"Pl^nenip,,., "J TMIj jllU i iti.i .i«t^atj; •~ F'rance, M. Gul. '"• the exclusive rather, on the i^nj more espe- nst their Meiro- «t every reader »* ailgoinents oC 'ontroversy. | fritish Church ' or Aries, of ^'as held in the vere preferwj o<^ Carthage, three British yhal was the '•ority of the to Sylvester, lost ^iloriou,* ;0"M not at- '"n to make otuni orberq 8'gnificant <=«, held in ««'«s. that 'athenr of "» ^■•l ^ut^v^ M^^y ••« dai/y cajL - """^ ^^ their ^'^'^e ..S^'°^ thirteen pSorS^^^^ accordinir f„ #fc .^^ng'and in Ini^A } ^'ei^gymen CSw'ifi) Vhen^K "t^J^ ^ean of S T^^^^^^ of these ^\, *^ °^er the w»U V ?» '^^ throws ail nielal of XV?. "''^ have learned th« ».^"°" °^ J^"". »^hen tbet vi"?,r *« ^ou that 1121'^!"' «" ^^ P«int 'remain attanKj **"*"»« any man H.* . "° the very °f our common r.f°r °^ »»»«•" « W aSSv '\"'«« '« '•ecital of Z '""nanitjr, I ^m ^^"l ""d Tor the wke « Chri.t,a„ TK *""' **^ «ny inan S^' ''^'^^ ^«»2e ^'« man aJd J^* P'*»nt Primate ron'"* "»•«•«• of ;he pomp and nrwJ ■"*',*heir famiiiea roi;L . ^^'^oua «onU men in th- n'?^« «hat there Ilr*? 5**"^ *^«^» ,; f. at«»nwrhichira ip London, or «t|heBanfcof ngliCMtakeup [*^ fiomaniato ^ Pajier befoi* «nif« of their "9' do to. I P«?^, iike the , ' <^nurch of itCleiTgymen ^aps 80. for « in Dublin e throws ail •Specimen 'on of Mr. "ess of the ^'iir, If you *li? point •Winisters lesta. To *^e yery " them to shange in the cake Bt. The <* freeze oaoie of ®*a?1tasL mefeiy le revel i in all double con- r well id im- itthe 13 exception only proves - the rule. Theire was a Judas abong tha Apostles, even when Christ with a loving, smile looked benignantly upon him. But this is no rea- son why a change in faith should take place ; man may err, but God cannot lie. And his words are, that he would remain with his ChUrch all <2a^s, even unto the consummation of the world. But the crimes of the mem. bens of the Church in the middle ages have been exsg. gerated to answer the purpose of designing individuals, just as I have read in a late number of the London Dis-,, patch) a statement, which the writer asserted that he was ready to prove that the immoralities of the Ministers of the Church of England far surpassed those of all the Officers of the Army and Navy put together. I am sura however that this statement is not wholly true. The converts are not held cheap by the Romanists themselves, we rejoice at their conversion, and glorify God for the grace which he gave them. But we tell them plainly that we give them no' thanks, the gain is all their own. They have returned to their Father's house, and it behooves them, after eating so long of the husks of swine, to comport themselves like contrite and humble children, to lay aside their arrogance and stubi born self-will, and receive the instruction which they so touch require. The King of England Sn good old Catho- lic times could boast that be had 500 >men as good as the gallant Percy who fell in the skirmishes with the Scots, but if the grace of God be as widely diffused in England for the future, as it has been for the past few years, it would be well for the Church of Anglicus to look out for a decent place of interment. Those men who have come over to us are not. desertensi; they are only atoning for the .crime of desertion by returning to the fold from which, in an evil hour, their fathers de- parted. I am astonished th,at Anglicus feels so much hurt at my mentioning Henry VIII. as the head of his Church • surely to him England is indebted for the possession.of her present Church Establishment, he was to her a Pro- (I ?J U . ., . . , . ., - . testant Auiru«fine tk- P«rfoil meihe^^ PW^^(and Anglioi'^'™ iviahomedan as a r»itZ' « ^^^ ""tbt is as mnoh « victim, eo typhus/ The1«'^** '?"««'" '"''sclcia^f^^^ -^ tiiemij^igten of hig Church ««fki^ **»« great body of . 'Jhcn Cholera was niS'm? i^"-** "^wwd AiitJico. ■• W'cus that al. of the Pope, he Anghcua must onsenae. Any n, 18 aa much a ' by that very a child of the >Mt I knowr not •6ve, holda the lent, GqH only to which, the >t will plunge and. Angli- »n»in behalf (lis cleiigy fen >'e exception •eat body of Jdfcen mem- nd AiifJicur «r of 1832, on' account the sick. B clamour, formed bis at all ne- «pon this 1 write, I 5ung man *pvertists engaging, wpon us, less seas t> niore, hat God see the' f but it 'th eyes »nt8 all !5 thole, who will have rent hit seamless garment, des< troyed, as far as in them lay, the unity of his holy Church, and given the lie to his promise " thai the gates of hell tcould never prevail against htr^^ upon whom, Anglicns, at that lawAil moment, will his withering glance then fall! I noW sum up and have done. Istly.— I agaih call upon Ang^leuato point out ativ doctrinal differbnces betw«en Austin and the Britini Bishops, for I have clearly shewn that there waa none. 2ndly.-— What says Anglicui to the crushing tetUitaony of Qildast from him I proved that the Pope had a power over the British Church. I will not take any aiaertione about civilization, &c;, &c., let the trgument be fairiy met ; for I see an evident desire to pass it by; Sirdly.-^ What says Anglicusto the unanimous assertion 6f all writers, Saxon, Roman, Gallic, that to Jgnatitia and Damianus papal envoys, the Britons were principally indebted for th^ faith % 4thl]|'.— What leply will I have to GinirduB Camb'rensis who claimed to haveleg^ntine power in Wal(^bnaccountof thegrant of St. Gertaanue whom the Pope eent overt 5thly.— What says Ang^ient to the teMfflpny of Rycemarch I 6thly. — How will Anglicus atteibpt to meet'the unmistakeable language of the Council of Aries ? (314), and 7thly.— Ideijr Anglicui to even attempit to meet tiie clear, conclusive aifument which 1 adduced from the Council of Sardica* Angflicua may now seif how .wea|c his ailments ar^, and 1 can assure him tf^t ,raine are far from being exhausted. If he cpntinueato keep up this controversy with me he Willi if he dfttires to be in poaaession of the true faith, blen the day^ he Gdufnenced it. ••■■.■ M. -.; February 5tb, 1S5K -v ^^ REPLY. I> whiph 1 thought J rathe novll l/'^?'.'"'^ '"■«"«<^ M-. reading over that 8omewha?do„ah^ of deputation. In believe the individuaT who S i^ 'P"L'"* ^ ^^«« 'ed lo farmer onmmediately— « kee„ don't let hiin cr7o' , fr. "J^^^^^ot^top his^^outh!? valorous by sonii ; but S^^r'^ u^l ^ ^^^"Sht fore the world, o/ you ^J^f^ J *"*''> P^'^ciplea fce- draw my conclusion from fh«^? I «on ; incLiduals^h^h^;";;'^^^ «^"» «"• t^is rea- Mghtened and able to SS^Tt r'"T "" ^"'««'«*'^lr am^gonist is beaten by we So^r^ ^^'>«ther an of common sense toJet the n„h • .,^'^"''* ^«^o"r more demerits of the subject wM''*' l^'t^ °^ *^^ merits or ' mslead of crying' St^^xT^v^'^K^'^^'^^^^'-'b^^^^^ have beaten bimV he cannot U ^^^^^^ him ^. J iinanswerable." Not s^fZ £/''"!: !?'*' ""'^ *»>«« enough for you ioZu^^^^T'^^^^'i ^t is time tory,les,t peradventure you fi^S^^^^ gained. , he vie. that you have been mistaken !„ * ^''''^ astonishment. not assume. hat sucrwiltthe^rer^^^^^^ ^ do* plea«urB>of Icnowing Andic.L th! ^'^'* ^J'*''^"*'* «he tendedas an auxilia% to Ms but „ T' '^'^ '« "<>« in. inconsistencies which a^-^^t^^'^^t^"""* "P ^ few matters, and may guide vou inTo ^ .common-place ■«\ < - 4*'.«'*-i^ J If ' was in conse- I in the Quebec and signed M., •aputalion. In 'e, I vvas led lo ut a poor per-^ lent, i{ remindt actised in some happens to be ately— « keep His mouth — ay bethought principles jbe- to shame. J t for this rea- re sufficiehtlr 8 vvhether an lente, without savour more the merits or ' that tribunal, n him — I ) and this is ') it is time ned the vic- itonishment, ores. 1 do ave not the 8 is not in. i; up a iTenr imon-place of a more '*> fcryour tntagoilist is Mver the more beaten by your denouncing him as sucli upon the basis of your own opinion) for this rclason, your opinion may be a prejudiced one and totally unfit to judge, as I shall, in the course of this communica- tion, endeavour to show have been fflly exemplified, why assume the prerogative of your superior knowledge in judging what belongs to another ordeal 1 you are but the Bar; public opinion is the Bench from which judgment is given. I have, as I before observed, scanned over your communication, M., for I must now address my. self to something however mean, and so I take the nitial of that word. , And now, my dear M., as it isjmy intention of pickipg^ straws with you a& we pa^s atoni> it Will be well perhaps, for your encouragement, to know, that you havfe on this occasion but a poor antagonist—^ having but limited knowledge of Fathers or Mothers of the olden times, which you appear to be so conversant with, and such a store of arguments that I dare not boast of; under these circumstances I hope you will be somewhat merciful to nie as you did not intend to be to poor Anglicus. I have made in your writings this discovery — that the Church of Rome claims and can prove her claim to teach an unchanging and unchange. able faith, she holds in her hands the Indefeasible char- ter of her Indefectible constitution, and exhibits clearly to all who wish to see the authentic title of her heavenly origin registered in the iipperishable archives of Nice and Constantinople. I fear, my dear M., you have made an unwarrantable assertion here ; such ab one that appears to me insuffici- ent to abide the test : and now, if ypu please, we will , apply' it for proof : an unchanging and unchangeable are 1 believe synonymous expressions, and therefore are used to denote a course of unerring and undeviating cor- rectness — the same at the ending as at the beginnings This being a welKunderstood and I believe satisfactory defi- nition and acknowledged meaning, we will now see how far your claims are adjusted J and as yon have declared your reverence and esteem for the Bible, you oannot ■" 1 , . *I inj^ouo.. wei» foigottelL!! 2:?"^.'^» ^hen Peter's « ™»ii. Neither Peter nor.I! r ?PP""»''*owr your V ■'•""■ one tdinolher"Jl, \ " back to apoa. nwBwhop of a/ron, you also f>w tlocirine as ' government, and no other. «'er, it wouW I Chiircli d,M. JU'red much °y adherence very doctrine ^ no mention '«* of either ^ those days, ' cannot but ' into your necessary. »e not refer I© founder t [Wiser and Mi discover » of liio t that has >ur Priest- '^on ema-, the great »ary ac. Bishop? he says, **f good, enforced » Peter's • ff man •Btable r youp wqrers , iwhop. ifr"— . riJ^^ not tu Prieals, Deacoi^s or Bisliop4 in partieulsr, but one U) another, anj pm^jf one for another; "the effectual; fervent prayer ot' a righteous man availeth much.**. Had itibeep reqtiiditj for a Prient or Deacon to receive such confession, it would doubtless have been expressly given an such. ' We fmd no' mention of worship or in- voca'tiun td'oa' paid or maile to the Virgin Mary or to ileceased Saints, by tlie word of God ; but your Churcti teaches bolh.^ Where did she learn it? not from St. PdHer or any of the Apoatlcs. How did she obtain it, because it .was a subtle innovation of man's devising, vou\ Churcii teaches that the Virgin hath power over \her slon, as.Parents over their offspring, else why that your devotional service, Holy IJllary, Mother of iiotercedd with thy Son for us; and in another Wrl God, part, fc^ tier to exercise her authority, and coiAmand thy. Son, an4 so on. How does Christ's answer to thoM who informed him of his parent's wish to see him, agree with the Hocirines taught by your Church? hear him by St. Mark's Gospel, 3rd Chap. 34th and.35th verses. ** Ar^d'he, looking round about on them which sat with him,>nd' said. Behold my Mother and my Brethren, for whosoever shall do the will of Gpd the lame is my Brother, and Sister and Mother." 1 1 Again, when suspended on the Cross! on Calyery, Jesus, seeing his Mother and the DiHcipllB] standing by whom he loved, he said unto his Mother, Woman, Behold thy Son? then said he to the Disciple, Behold thy Mother : and from that hour that Disciple took her unto his own home. (John 19 Chap. 26 and 27 verses) — We do not find a vestige — no, not a fragment of such doctrine taught 6y Chriiitor any of his Disciples, as di- vine honours to be paid to the Virgin Mary ; for she was mortal, and therefore, could not claim divine honours: no, not the Angelic hosts or the brigfhtest Seraph befora the throne ojT God. What said the Angel to St. John, . when he fefl^at his feet? ** See thou do it not: worship God" : anfl yet, all titese, and ten times more are prac tiaed in your Church, aiff in the face of such a cloud ei ■-^. / v ^ c M ' "ifj' ' VVV,,- % {our proof! for thi. ««♦ r Where do yoU find HdpSS^S,«mMd\Cnel/r ^^"^^*» *WlirteT. •nd let the captive Jj fJe- .1?^ ?• ''^^^ »»«"*«"• h«ad and waah thy aS Mhi thl *"'"' " "*»"»•** ^^''^ to (Ht, but to thy^ Fa^;/ 1?? 'PP^' "«» ""'o "ntn **«»her; which Zth in t!Lri*t'' '" *"«» ? •"<» »hy of imagee by St; Peter o/In. ?!!? ^* *'*® worahiping in the Holy &riD(u^.O^/ «f ^he Aportle., but I find •econdCommandmiSt i^tlL n»^ ^*'"' where i.the in whafpart of J^ChX^Z'/''''!''. ^°" ^ J eannot find it WK^kL ^.T®**"** '* figure? Becau«,itforbiitHe wiZ^^^rr ®**"~^ ~"««* *»» «»y. «w. do no? worlhin tf.*^^ '»«get.-.« Oh,»» you SiJnla they renreaferi? ^ them^lhey are to briig the the HeSenlnhi^^^"' 'g"«'»bra..ce.» Ma^Vof not make unto thee an^SfineS^/ "^•T" ^*>**" •»••'« Jh^texprea.ion)th«ti;vte„"i^^^ (mark , *»w»eath i thou ahalt not L» J "'^T® *' "> the earth ' them." TheL are iolmtr • "•^" *?*»•«•". "o^ worship how dow« toXr-xy:„'rnrth:r'''°" •'•''^ '^^ tliamelricalJy (bene ia no •PpoiiU Tast lo you End > diiciplineT. f ind what *vy burdens ^noiAt Uiine ot unto nun Bt ; and Uiv oe openly/' worihiping I. but I find ions againat yhere iiithe It by jout > it figure ? »nceal itT 'Oby»you. bring the Manv of 'bou ahalt j" (mark , > the earth ' w worship i ahalt not- ntine did, owme to nd if they " MM you ° the pre. ificatioai. >ctrine of » 7 i take »r object 't\ ^ '11 the mau. Now a sacrifice ia an ,n t>inia8ion of duly or (Jffences coor- thlPMws that are, therefore justice requires to, tiie sacri aluneatsnl mittediMkii ... „ (o^ balance the 'wrongs committed, uiw teaches that the abuls imprisoned in Purga« flier various degrees of torture) — tbi*« of course, :o act aa' zn equivalent for the wrongs committed } tlius- it becomes a sacrifice — for, through the torments Bufliered, the soul is purged from ijts sins ; therefore the pain of Purgatory become, according to siMnrdoQtrines, an equivalent to the debt owed to justice ;yand ther -. 18 a sacrifice for wrongs committed. Where now is your warranty froip St. Peter, or any of the Scripturea .fur such doctrinial I confesa I cannot find it. Can you? if so, where is it to be found? This is far from proving the . uniformity m your 'Church from Apostolic teaching. But it standa forth in bold array to show the fallibility of man's devices. ThijS doctrine^rept into your Church about the tenth century. However you may boast of her heavenly origpn,! fear you have little cause to bojist of her progresidon therein, altho' b!6t registered title may be in the ** Imperiahable Archives of Nice and Constan- tinople." I would just observe, howeveii^ before closin|.. these remarka upon this subject, I admit with all due deference, she is the Church of Rome, and alao for a long season hier lawa and constitution inajr haver been but little altered, although concessions ai« sometimes n^de ^^^icl^^«i»not the most honorable. But this title argues "Minhing in proof thfit she ia the Church of Christ. She . may arrogate all this, and ten timea more, — and of what avail t—The Church of Ghrilithaa but one 1iead, and that IS Christ himaelf, and his precepts are love,— his examples are love — love to God and love to man. Take, for example, hia answer t6 Peter when, asked 4>y that AtKKtle how oft he should forgive his brotiier that sinned fkgainst' him, till seven timea? Jesus awwftnnl ^ and s^ unto him, I say not until seven tiaies) but until seventy times seven. Ooea your Chiireh carry out this heavenly principle as h«r motto t We fiod in the Apos. '^es r-^ i- V* ^" ^ » k o x!^"-; /:■ r. ./ ».■:"*■ )? - ,/L ',;;■ v/ •f gv) J«!S5^^C"t^^^^ -- ---taught the St. Paul, .he Chief "rthnnw?!.^''^"^'*"'*' •"'I prpoft of his h.,mi it^ tvhtf r^'' ^*' ^iven u, many not a whit beh Ldihe vh^eZ f VT'' ^''°"g'» ' «•« nothing." Vr sS hS "^ *^^ '^P"^*'^^' >'et ' am ^o«e days; anS the Ado^ ^ -*"'' J""'''^ ^'^^^ned i„ tribulation ilso riovetSZ i^*''''' ^'^^^^ glories in » gree by St John thr,r !*"8ht^in a most eminent de. ;e.chinJf>om^:;;\:t:ir^^^^^^ Bartholemew^ day rAu.?? I'l" ^'^"'=« °» St JPapal o«ierfroin^CKl^^h' !T^' ^**""' ""^^^^ » te«tan(8 werew^l/rr^"!' '^''"*u*^'"^ thousand Pro- - good faith aTd unt/the ct.'?' r ''° ^"^ '''^^'"Wed ia neither were thTall lari^r f """^ *"*^ friendship ,- ecuting that d^^f " 3^^ i^^^rr r^^^^** '« -^ ' month. Some histlrfJ-n- 1 ^® bnef space of one more than I have SnnprV'T '^^ n«mbe« at «^ved by his H:iiSp:^e'bio:y m tell us that when thenpZ ^^. *°^ Historians g^test iBJoicings took 0^00 ?heT"'*^ V ^"'^ »»'« ^ia went in prS:ession tn ?h« r-t T V"^ *»'« ^ardi- give thanks tS GodT» , a tbit "''^ °^ ^'^ ^^^' '- and the ordnance fil^dVrom he Caa'e o To the berson who hr/».mi.» /k . St. Ange b. Lorraine^gave a^tuS'c?':^^^^ ^^"'.'««^<'f were also made in Prance fnr?ho" • '^''^'^ "^o'cngs the faithful ! I ! Thi?k ?n„ f '^ i"?!""^ overthrow o( -g .athis wa.aI^;trto"Gi|^^^^^^^^^ comment here. I feel nerl^^L k . ■ "®®** malTno test. How wJs love ^Sll f k P"" *»" *« ^l'* "«* -ending over the n^nclRrml^f ^"^"^ ^*'"'^*'» '« tanUsm in Enriand ? .ni »-.k J*** ^"^ "^^ «"» Protes- and tmur^T'^thJ''^ ^* 5 !?'•«♦ weapons of cruelty WoodySSpS^'? *;;j provided with to carry out thdr «he G>eS En for In' ^ "'^'^^ ^''^ benediction of ai i««iop ipr jt8 ^ enterprise and the accomi 23 -taught the be not ye 'hristj and n Ui many »ugh 1 am '. yet J am iteemed in » glories in " lineht de. [>Fk of his " how does . '■ the test, ce on St. » under a sand Pro- smbled in endshrp ,• (i in ex- • of one mbers at he news istorians ame the 8 Cardi*^ tfark, to iblished, Angelo. iinal of joicings ^row. of laleno ie next fch, in Protes. cruelty t their ion of cconi. plishment of ita mission. How was love manifested by your Church towards the Piedmontese for eight hundred years when thousands and' tens of thousaoda were the slaughtered viptims in thpse valleys of humble and peace- ful inhabitants, whose only crime was in maintaining^ in scriptural purity, that "form of worship which had been handed down from Apostolic days, having the written word of God as their guide ? How was love exemplified in England during the reign of Henry and Maiy, when all who would not fall down and worship as God him who had exalted himself in the plac^ of God, and assumed those divine prerogatives due alone to God, were followed with fire and faggot^they were plain with the sword; and so on ; and yet in the midst of this they, the Martyrs, prayed for their murderers. Which of these, think you,^belong to the Church of Christt In paiwinfi on you (Ierk|iigly ask the question— »« and virill a Church like this dispute her tWe' with a modern rival presenting a copyhold^pf little more than three hun- dred years 1" . On this point J will bebut brief* wl see no reason -whatever to dispute your title, I see no reason as yet to envy your attainments. The ApoiHle tells us that God hath chosen the weak, things of this Vorld to confound the great and mighty, and base things to tmng to naught things that were. The credentials of Cmi^'s Church are faith, hope, and charity j— and for the exposition of these principles, I refer you to the 13th CW. Ist Corinthians, How does your Church exemplifrthose proofs of charity 1 #^ . My next essay bringf me to your invitation^ couched^ in the following terms :— And here I would call upon every Episcopalian and every reflecting man to pause and ask himself the question, whether he should any longer continue in a Church which Catholics (you should have said Roman Catholios) deny to have any sanction from Heaven, and which* therefore, is insufficient to conduct her votaries to it ; or not rather go over to that ^ mentaofman? ^ 7 .^"^'^"''' J^^'^w- Thi8 18, according W v<4r ni»n *.«««v • the creed I profess aJ^onhykf J'*^"*!" «n opinions fronrr inCntw t!r^ . T^'*^ oe damned. Oh. •« tellh nn» in Gath, publish it/not in Askalon •» R.,f if i ? »» .11 re end, of .he eanh, .nT to^:"' ^Tif""^ ».«n.r. Pulsatory SX Aa.To.^r'tTfh"'!-* mou. or rather inftmou. Father TetedToih.rt i^*' many, about the vear 1517 le ™ * '" ^®'^' orTr's;rhX.tiSH^B" . unchanging and unchangeable te"e.s^,?,n ^ ^^ """^ In your reference to Isidore, I And the followinir a>.ti whyt b«.„„ i, oa^TbeZ ^^^"uhUc^jif .' iSj m 25 ■ ■0- irfain Doc- al require* >n, a tenet >rit8 pale rour creed the same lions fronr 'tell it not f* I am al. » is given, >t find in salvation cruciating )me unto ;" if 80. Tcede^or id ? why els? Sc- our doc* sed witb 1 the fa. in Ger- rves me. I in the in could bctrines lesams ' ig anti- >Uii col- '6 been of the > cele- I; and a held ore an 0, and occa* aiona, doea your infallible Church catt off and disown parts of her doctrines which have been taught for so long a period in her communion, do you still hold her to be unchanging and unchangeable 1 Again, in spfeaking of Pope Sylvester, in the fourth century, which was a little before Popes were made, I find the following comment :— Now what was the doc- trine of this Council regarding the authority of the Pope? They, the Bishops, directed a letter to Sylvester, the reig|ting Pope, and they style him most glorious Pope ; thmlkpress their sorrow that he could not attend m *p^rkfii and they beseech him to make known their de- ■:&^^o all Churches^ Surely in this vire have a pretty significant attestation to his superior authority. Here I think, M., you have overlooked the fact, that in this statement you have somewhat damaged jour cause, for instead of supposing him to be the Most Glorious Pope Sylvester, you have shown him up as the humble messenger to convey the decrees of Bishops to other churches. It verily appears to me that in those ancient times Popes were more humble than at ihe pres- ent or for some hundreds of years past. Accordingto this account, the only conclusion I can arrive at is, that the Bishops were the designers of the decrees, and conse- quently the head, and the Pope their messenger or bearer of their decrees. It would have been well for mankind had they never aspired to any thing higher ; and here I must depart for a short period from my progression to a retrogression back to Apostolic times, and in glancing over the inspired volume of Holy Writ, and tracing its sacred pages, reading of the self-denial of Christ's fol- lowers, his Apostles, who taught and preached Christ, and him crucified, with all ^lowliness, and sincerity, ac- cording to the teaching of iheir great Preceptor, here was no assumption of vain-glorious pomp and arrogation of power — no threatening of the sword — no interdict of nations— no dethroning of kings or assuming a God-like attitude J and yet but a few hundred years after, and what a change: they who filled the supposed chair of |i ^- of S.. Peter. «i«d 4he tem^«T ^^r If '.n'S^T; ■Beaj. could bind both boSy .nd »T A i-J^ '^ « ' -^*ve not di«6.ered a „^ dZin.^' il"*"' '""' Sf;^7'fi?„l'"'.«'P, - "'«'"'»/*•<. "deer :^ t.me, «p to " ii* Jf your churohTfi S^^^'^f**"™""'**"- "r*** r«trictioB. nied neither the withfolcSi » frtm fhe StiiSfr" thp rl^ng genemtion. h.v«, been iL 'ii, .^ Chft* believe it as a sealed book to them •«*! .ILJI^ S? *® neral um of th« i«-. '~*'» »*» «••«", and unfit for the ce- "Wntlw of onccrtainfy ; ftnd the favoured few whocin obtain a copy of this treasure^ have them so mu- tilated as only to' "read them through thp eye* of your Church. Your inlerpretation of passages^^ are given in notes under each page. Alas, virhat a meaning,— tending to direct the enquirer after truth, not to the source of truth, but to the Church, as being the ur^rring guide. How you affirm that with Roman Ca- tholics it has a meaning, 1 cannot understand, unless it is in understanding it as a book to be the least of all read ; but this meaning will cause the condemnation of all who teach it in the great day of account—at their dooK^will the responsibility rest. Christ says, « Search the Scrip- tures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life,mnd they are they which testify of me." St. Paul, in his injunc- tions to Timothy, says, and " that from a child thou hast known the holy Scriptures which are able to mak^ the© wise unto salvation." You see the Scriptures weffe not dangerous to be eintrusled with children in those days ; and what glorious effects resulted from a knowledge of them even by children 1 Allow me to ?isk you, the question, M., Is your Church grown so exceedingly w«8 since that perioilj as to excel the knowledge of Christ, or his Apostle Paul, in seeing the necessity of withholding it . from general use 1 Your next inference is respiecting the cross-interpretation given^f the Scriptures b^ the Rev. Mr. Gorharaand Dj^tor Philpolts. In this, my dear M. you are quite nai^aken ; and if you understood so, it must have originated in your own brain, or otherwise you must have been, as many of your communion are, , quite satisfied with being told such was the case.; for had you attentively read the statements in reference to that case, you would have found that dissent arose not from the Bible but from the Book of Common Prayer— for they might have read the Bible .through and through and yet never dissented upon that point, for neither Bible or Testament contains such doctrines as Infant Baptism. In this you have given a sjieeimen of wrting judgment. Again, I find another of your quotations aaj ■^ t V' "M , \ %■ follows, his garden, he throws all "tlie noxious "'" ''"^^ '''^* wall. You go on to denounce those who have left your communion, ip a most .legrading and abuJve „,an. ner, without gmng^any proofs whercbv to affix sudTac- cusatmn j ,„ th.s y^u have also given another /pec U^„ of wrong judgment and strong prejudice; I lutmve": give you credit foc^the satirical reiai. although 1^,0 duction of another, for its time placed position'an j nS more so had u been applicable- however, you ha e wade short work of it. by covering, he important sub^ t over ' WitUlmle .ronv> and not give.lit as much con ide. a' on as you have some subjects of h,nger date. It appears"" me ,t was rather an awkward s^ul.ject for voi' o i^a? upon, and the sooner got rid of the bet.cr; ho" eve?? you gjve yourself the trouble of looking ove^ some of , he late Pf'^ news you will find not only m v7eZ but (5:!l'!!"!''^,?!l ^'ir'^ a conimunion oC^.ciHown, lUide; who arh no\y employed -. . _ .„. „,vu u «. (/Ill III nil Mhe appelliWion <,f St John, and wi.o arft now employed in furn:sh,pi materials that will not be for the edifiion of the communion they haveleft. ^ 1 will however I serve that I have known some of what ySm r^' verts, ..vho I am qmie confident never adorned tl^e doJ r».esof our .Lord Jesus Cluistin-your cm.hu fon a^ Uiey didanervvards Men who W; and scmS^ S burnjngand sh.ning hghtsin the worId,.and wlip^e vaH^ and c^onvei-^auon placesMhcm (and this is the Vah- teS above ihe attacks of calumny, Tet it come from wlatso ever quarter It may, but not beyond persecu^oi.' W Jr legard to those whom you have cast so black a s.ajn upon and clothed ^n so hideous a garb, i have never known one whose charactei- could have merited the sliRh.est st?/ ma^^'ou i^c so liberal in bestowing. You^wS cfo S to insert facts you cqn substantiate when called upon to explain or give them to the world as well as fo cukmut — 1^4^ T'";;'' ^r «»f be Bhamed but falsehoods 7^ -t^t«^4mUaah^other^de of thequesUon your cohveT^ - > sation shows an "»w8rr«ntabre1,1afc^ whm 1^^ -1^ V' •^2? ■■\ as my conjecture that in ilngiand ; if I am yyrong, I have a few to Molhef CliiiicU you cast no stigma upon the Apost.i- c,»e8 iVom tho Chjjich of England, when joining ygur communion, y^baas very different eulogiums upon ttujm, and I tear lUust again chargo you with preju- diice HQ your judgment. Of them you say they have relurnedlo^heir Father's hcuae. [ find also a requisition put forth by you for the Church of • Angiidttito'look out for a decent place for its ifiterment, quoting folyour reaacm. If the grace of God continues to spread ak it haVd^e for the last few years in England. 1 ^\^v . I like, MAo understand properlythe subject matter 1 have under^ consideration, in order to proceed with some ^ degree ofaccuracy, but. in this respect 1 roust use a con- / jecture, as you have clothed your opinion on this poin^' in somewhat amhiguius languagef I shall therefore tak^ you fefer to tho spreaef of Papacy correct, and I think \ am not far remarks to make upon this po^nt. And "here I cannot bring a better warranty than /the II»)ly Bible for my pr jofs. My first quotation you /will find iiilhc 2nd Thess. 2nd Qhap. 3rd and 4lh veraifes, as follows: "Let no man deceive you hy any meailia, foe that day shall not come except there come a/falling away first, and that Uii^n of sin be revealed th^/son of perdition, who oppose Ih and exaheth himself above all that is called God, alio .vine himself that he is Go^l." My second qi»blation you uiiHSnd in the 4ib Chap./lst Epia- lie Timolfiy,*3 tirsl versiis : *' Now the spirit spfeakethex- pres^, that in the latter time^some shall depart from the frfiih, giving heed to seducing spirits and ijoctrinea oil Devils, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having th^ir consciea ces seared with all ot iron: forbidding t6 marry z~ commanding to abstrin from meats, wlwh God h created to be received with thanksgiving fh^n^.- r''«Jfa« ""protected by truth as yours i J vll^i" ''"'*''' ^ '^^^ *»"* ^^"'"^« •» before the Sic Your learning may be extensive ivitb regard to tfcehL tory of your Church and its fathers, but^ wiih regard Ji ^g«»undless assertion on your part, unable to abide historic ov5.?.7°S". ''^"*' information on this point, you turn ' ril^/ "''*°'^fi^""''y'^ ««'>' «"d of the Chu?ch to Se tLrV^j! ^"^, '» Purely Roman Caiholioip lr^!J'^'\ *!f '^^"'^ * ^•^«''^'« '''■°'« CTatherine of ?»7k . ^^"-i'^ exemplified in the marriage of that Mo- Hsk vo:f deceased brother Alfred^s wifS Alllte Chnrft.^ .V^' what concessions, were made /*y your th« foh '" ?? ^"3"** l*"*^" *'^« '^"i^f"! reignVfUdrian the 6th. andjiad Henry's Proxy not been reSefwhen on h'« journey to Rome, but had been onTday Une" With Henry VB.II of Divorce, Clement tKe 7ih Luld ;,.rt o**S^.''"'*^'i:*'^* "'i''^^ "« great^essions In mJ , part to Henry as h» predeceasor dg by signing IhVDi, L. ■■•k;: -'.V'. ■■■ \ ■ V/ ■ ■ ■ • ■' ■... : :; ^ , • ;.. .■.•\ ■ \ > L ^^^mm V • V ■ ■ ''■'"" '"^ ^'^ > • f- vorce Bill. But, « alas, Poor Yorick »! iKe day before the Pope and his Cardinals, who had it for some time under consideration, for Henry had intimated it to him previously, had decided against it, and the infallibl* Church could not with propriety swallow it; in conie- quence ©f which, Henry shook off the Pontiff's supre- macy: but with this exception, Henry the Eighth wat as a rigid a Catholic as Rome could produce, with tha foregoing exception, of the Pope's supremacy, and also < died such. Granting, for argument sake, that he had turned Reformer, which he did not, unless as befora stated, he was born a Roman Catholic— educated one, ascended the throne as one, and swayed that sceptre which Screened him in the performance of many airoci- • lies, while he acknowledged the supremacy of the Pope. If you want still further evidence, 1 refer you to the ar- chives of Smithfield and other parts of England, where the blood of Reformers was poured out like water,' by fire and sword i and" tVi3 was in Henry's Reign. In your assertion, that Henry the Eighth founded Ihie es- tablished Church of the present day, you have shown a strong desire to throw a little obloquy upon that estab- lishment, and to get rid of one of those monsters of ini- quity which abounded about that period roost profusely in the communion of your Church, and of which Henry the Eighth was by no means an exception. Edwanl the Sixth, who succeeded his father, and whose mother was a Prctjestant, followed the tenets of his Mother, but his reign was but of brief duration of six years and a half. Mary, the eldest daughter of Henry, upon the^ death bf Edward, and a most rigid Roman Catholic, a^-. cended the throne, and placed the Church once more ( under the Pontiff's supremacy. Now, friend M, how ^^ do you stand affected under this new light? ^ou forgot, surely, Mary's reign, proving such a barrier in your cal- culated succession of our established Cburtih. You also called Henry the Eighth the first reformer, I cannot pass oyer this part without again having a desire to enlighten your darkness, as we go along. Henry was a reformer l,-- ■ ■ ■ ' 1 .■ ' . H. ■- : 1 * • ' • t i • t ,\, • t ■*■■'■ ■ _ .1* \ ''':■'' ' ■ • ■ * - 1* „„,_,,_^^,.^..^.„,..._^.„^^ 32 ■a "k!!1^'*'"« Z^ *''^ P°P«'« supremacy, and equallv puni^ those who adherelf to thp PontiPa sunSci ■as well as the Protestant Iteformer* Later sS?w^ find other nations in our own day, shaking off the pC! yoke: for instance-look at the Gre^^ Church and , what W.U you o^ them: they are not PmTesS Zd ^LCr«*'''y*n*'*^»^'>°''«»' IheyhaveoV.^- gave the Pope the precedence of Rule. Witness Bus te „.?nT!5 ? the Pope's supremacyT manyothers migh be quoted!^ we had space to enter more fully upon Se subject. Now for your assertion in regard to Sry^s being he first reformer, allow me to ask you for you? Jn.^ fja" soon find you. Will much need them to keep but ±r« J^'"? flourished in the sixteenth centur^^ but where was Henry when Wickliff flourisyi tha noble translator and reformer Who laW S«*tS? Huss, the Bohemian reformer, who flourished about one and ™2"?K »^^°'^,."r^> day? Jerome of J^gTe! LoiJll ^. ***.'**" '^'"*^'» "'8^» here be quoted, who Sv^f h?« r '•'"T'^ -^u *lt^'^ '"^^ '^ Christ. and^;7u. rity of his Gospel, with theii- blood. Allow me now to Jraw your attention to that section of the Churcrof in tne year 820. After leading you into t^is labyrinth I do not wish to triumph over yoG as beaten. I know not what aiguments you may hffvein store, but I co7 ,T l^h»ll '" '^^ P'^ *«''^" « strong position agaTn"t you 1 shall now pass over a series of your pious lucu- brations, some of which belrtiy grievously the spirit of \ S ; ^ '*'°"' 1* "P' *herefoi« it shall sp^ak for itsefj you next proceed to sum up asfollows: Fv^ ? «m rnit ''''!" the Saviour, with eyes darting \wrath, hllre^XZVt''^'''^ '°'""'""»««" those ^1^0 wil have rent his seamless garment, destroyed, as far a>i in ^t v^ 33 •I I . . them lay; ihe unity of his Holy Church, .nd given the lie to his promise, * that the gates of ^ Hell should never prevail against her,» upon whom, Anglicjs, at that awful moment, will his withering glance then fall ! I now jum up and have done.'* , - However, M, as you have now done, it is time for me to begin, and as none are more fit to plead with effect, than those who consider and also feel the.r case the best, and over whose heads those awful denuncia. tions which'^you have here portrayed and arrayed m such terrific grarrdtur to feel them Boat in all \he peace- ful serenity of the Boi\ gentle zephyr. Yes, M, «l you wish for proof8,-go ta the bed-side of a P>"y8 Protestant, ' and I will pledge you^mfhonour you shall nmNiuch as will not fail to fcatisfy you. Yea, and y^u-ffilght well exclaim with Balaam of old-let me die the.r death— with them there are no fears of Purgatonar fires : no, they die in Jesus, and are blessed and fteed from every csro. At that great day of account. M. you too w.ll be there, biit remember, Jesus Christ, himself will be the Judge, and not man, anjl then all will appear in their own charaiter, and you, M, if you have acted the part of the soDdand faithful servant, will receive that vvelcome m- 5itation of our Lord, « WeK done, good and fa^hful ser- vant, enter thou into the joy of thy Lord." But if the fruiti of charity, to which I before referred your atten- tion for an explanation, be not found in you aiid exem- plified in your walk and conversation, you will find, on that day, your Church has not left you one hiding place from that withering glanCe you just novv menjioneC With regard to the seamless robe of Chnst, and tne in- ference you have drawn of its typifing Ae Ch«irch, you did not iy, I believe, that it was your Church it typified, allow me nevertheless to add by way of counsel, judge not that ye be not judged j for with w^at^o^^f/jp- mentye judge, ye ehall be judged again. Although it is a subject 1 could dwell upon at considerable length, l fear I should swell the present communication to a most unnecessary length in showing vvherein consists the w\\.i J ■lt|r it J- ■ :7J- ■'■■." II': .... '^: , ^34- ■ •: -• ■' of the Church 6f Christ, and alto ahow some apecimeht of the disunion of yoOr Chiirch, and particularly so about the roventefenth century, when for about sixty years she gave umlispot^d, evidei\ce of division and disunion, when it might welf have been said of he^ at that time as was once satirically remarked fn a portion of history I once, remember to have ^aU : •• A certain Colonel asked a Mr. Moyer, what he diJ there ? Moyer replied, seeking the Lord. The Colonel remarked, then you may go elsewhere, for to my certain knowledge, he has not been here for these many years." Now to your remarks in reference to your quotation, that the gales of hell should never prevail against the Church of Christ, it would take more logical arguments than you are able to K reduce to dislodge us.fro/m this doctrinal point : we old this as one essential link in the connection of our faith In the promises of oui- LoM Jesus Christ ; for it is in this we live, move, anU have our being} it is this which buoys up the Christian and makes him rise su- penor over the terrors of d^ath and the grave. I cannot but remark, that when a Christian man takes upon him to write a controvensly on this subject, more especially he ought to exemplify a wide latitude of Christian feel- ing; for O, very far irora denouncing-ihis, that, or the other creed, rather bear them, as in the arms of faith, to the throne of grace— for the merciful arms of Christ are 80 widely extended as t9 embrace the whole world; and his followers ought to be like-minded : and in con- eluding your remarks you, as it vtrere, stand forth in a bold defying attitude and challenge.your antagonist as follows : « I defy Anghcus to even attempt to meet the clear, conclusive argument which I adduced from the council of Sardica. An^tis may nOw see how weak his arguments are, and I can assure him mine are far from being exhausted. If he continues, to keep up tK^p ^ controversy with me he will, if he desires to be in pos- sewion of that true faith, bless the day he commenced la taking my leave of M, I would remark, that apos ;■ - ■ ■ ■ 4 :',-■■■. 9ft A' .!,« .;« fiAt Dointe I have said noihing, and (juotedlhe _ fu nnt'^ZuheotheMarewi&oul their inconw- . seventh, not »»«* *»f *Y".° ,i ^^^,1 but briefly, havin^r nislv in th« you have ^f '^y*^..'*^„*^'°%ery enviable I„co,.cly.ion,Ibegleavel».ppei.d.few«"««» « k r«oi I irufit Ihat any nacciiracieB in this episue wui , consiuer t»)at wnei» m*' j ftccuracv. therefore upon the leading points 01 inia 5" J j e<,„,ieiion tomnswee and are easy tofae^^^^^ tathaUta cogency mU be acqn.MCca"'- ^ eilracta bear strongly «pon "''»'\^"'„™" „«; „f ,he show M in error in reference lo «'» S"^"^™ J^j, ,„a r^'-'in^^e^r tt^rrTSrris'^.^nshtj-.- trye.rrg:: «t did no. «.sp«. the pope. 6r h- ^•K-y^IJ'ff^l^^Cb^-'^'^''" "it.CSr«:^a„»t hono«or b... '"">? "li* "tS' J'83'^"''iuCLarele firstChri.- H^l V' J \ ■-i^V' ^ C]i> •^ 'X •j-y ,?■ y f " © m^- / , ^j^P»»'bulus.;who was the instrument in his f ®- '? jHr^*^" •^^^•^''e Bishopric of Si. Asioh founded by Kenliger a Scot himselff the first fil^hop?"* fir.1 An.| f.f h^'*'"' / >?' ^"?'"* "'''^•' '^^■"8 consecrated ^ishoiv^ A r**"^r.^'"*^'^"'*>'' ''y Eutherlns, Arch. .^.i^f d'^'.'" ^'■'""^' Austin endeavoured to perl Made the British Bishops to submit to him, in their^ob sz;L&^"^^°^-p^'^'--^^'^Bi;j.:^, hi.!; /" ^^''y^^\^^^^ Osvvy, King of. Northumberland. '. l:^;atr<:?^;^'^^^'- '-S cont.ove.y(Vr the c,: «Jee 'o/"r)!'' ^^u ^If.]}^'' ''I'^'^^' f'-^"" England to the the d/J. T ^^. ^''^•■"^'' Archbishop of Canterbury : the decree from thence treated iviih contempt. ^ . £:!::teir3 ""' ^'- «^-«- °f "«ages to com- Noifhnmhi^f year 710 a synod held at Alnwrick in . .S;:SrSi:l?oi:^JS:'^ won,hippingof imapwa. • 11. In the year 1096, in -the reign of Wiiham^nd terbur^'tL^""'" A«>bot, made Archbishop of Si n b,s own hands, • for acknowle.lging Pope Urbane. (Toone's Chron. Hist. 2nd edition, vol. 1st.) I ^Te given these extracts ivithoul comments of ,ny own ; 1 beheve they are correct as the author has given tb 11' In revieivfng the present communication and convey- ing the subject-matter within a brief circle, so as to ani '* hse one or two particulars, I will then, for^he present l courteous reader, take my leave of you : Allow merM* ^ to ask you two questions on the foregoing subject ; one n reference to your Church, the other in regard' to Scrip! ture mspiration. You teach in your communion thai the Church ,8 essential to the salvation of the souls of your community ; that all pertaining to their endless Tap. pmesa comes through the Church : Now, air, if this bo long >w- . "^ ■'■■■, 31 in hia "•> the caBO allow me to ask you in what way your famotit anchS; saints were saved? of them your hwtory .a v2?yp lei,, praise of their sainted lives, and yet, ac- cording to your own works on these Sau.ts.they had . "::■&, «on,e 20 years some 30 years m the deserts withc/iTseeing tl»e face'of man or woman. Allow me 3 he m^esiion, how wore they saved! for .tcan- BoThe t c^couUi hive been under the sacred roof ol V ur Ch ?ch all this time or in communion m any way ^ h^ nd not have seen the face of a human be.ng. Why .sir, in the land of Palestine, some oO or 60 tho^i- sand 'Hermits and Anchorites belongmg once to your Chrch Sided, and amongst them many of your can- S 's fn a e foimd ; could one be just.fied m .aymg • thev belong to her while they were m the desert for so S a mer I remember a conskleralje tune Ogo. reading in one of your tracts of a St. Mary and St. Thomas if I recollect right, meeting; she recognised Sand knew he was a Saint, though she had never ''rnll':^.^^^^^^ any other for,! ^e-e %y.a«'. , and he but one, I believe, m a longer period . 1 he ao. ZlTl read some year, past; the name, -d |>enod a^^ ns near as my reji-.ollection warrants me togve. how can you reconcile this by your present teachmgl how can '^se things be; that those '"f '«^^^'^^^^^^^ accounted and canonized Saints, and for 20 or dO years ?o iTeout of her communion ? while you teach your vota- IL to eheve that it is indis,)ensably f ;'e««.«ry tmi ^ilual knowledge of the everlasting sUUe should con^ throueh her, and none can be saved otherwise. And £, i find you acknowledge the holy Bible as an inspired - bSok- a.^ glad you do. Now, Sir allow me to a^ You,,why it is termed an inspired book 1 i^-^^^J"^ ft cXains the revealed will of Go^ to mani M be- caule holv men of old wrote as the Spirit of Goad.o- ' ?atedV Is i because it is the word and precepts of God, anS not In''' K t'"^ »>e the case, will not the same Sit guKle tl e enquirer after truth into the way of . trS wl» n rraverfully reading over the subhme trtithe ■*. 4 : J* .^^ .* ■ -» . of sacred writ j tM # one iout #«l broogH td ^ri br thi8 mMns, that ia, through the operation of the divine Spirit upon the mind of man, conveying the tratrf read to hwUeart, then I say it can "be eqaally efficacrona to every son and daoghterof Adam's fallen race; them if ao, why all the superfluous appendages, the gorgeous pomp»1hc innumerable ceremonies of your Church its tradition^ which are not inspired, but yet held in higher estimation than tho«e that are; and all the formidable array of processions, pilgrimages, mortifications, pen- ?nce, and so on, if the simple truths of the inspired word of Uodj the Scriptures, are effectual and all.sufficient alone, when taught in its purity ; can you deny it, can you say jl is insufficient ? Pause. V^'hat doctnine ikras preached on the. day of Pentecost, when three tboussind were converted, but the holy scriptures ? whatb»t ttiia simple doctrine was taught by the Apostles of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Chriet** Allow me to awk, was there / any other preached by the Apostles? No, they htd no jijd Whatever of any other: and if M wa« ao eflec- / tuat tbea, why alter its primitive mode since? why, bawl NJause there would be inK«g^:diiment 6nd 4oo mueb •elf.denial. and no b?^l(rihe knee Inid paying homage to mortat man whiqh belong t