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JOHN ROSE, Minister of Finance, after the formal motions, introduced the Budget as follows : ,_ I think the most convenient order to follow, in placing the House in possession of all the information I desire to give, will be to state in the first place what have been the results of the operations of the present year, and to review the estimates of revenue and expenditure which were presented to the House in December last, by ^he light of the further expe- rience we have now obtained. In the next place I will state what the present position of the floating debt is, and what the changes are which have been made since December. It will then be convenient to say a few words in explanation cf the financial position of the various Provinces towards the Dominion; afterwards I will endeavour to state what the requirements of the year 1868-9 will be, and to place the House in possession of the means by which the Government propose to meet those requirements; and lastly, if the patience of the House be not exhausted before I have covered all this ground, I will refer, for a few moments, to the anticipated burdens which in future years the country will have to bear, and to its ability to sustain these burdens. (Hear, hear.) Without any exordium. Sir, I will at once enter into an examination of the results of the present year. It will be in the recollection of the House that, when placing in its possession, in December last, the rough estimates for 1867-8, I stated that the probable expenditure would be 116,226,801, of which 81,925,000 was fol* permanent works, leaving an expenditure for ordinary purposes of $14,301,801. The detailed estimates which were laid before the House the other night show an increase over the sum men- tioned in December last. These detailed estimates amount tc $17,265,019 to which are to be added the Supplementary Estimates since brought down 71,Q00 making a total of. $17,336,019 in place of the....,, ,. ,.....,„.,.,.......,.,., 16,326,^01 . ■ »"• ■■■■• y,J :' » mentioned in December last. But, Sir, it is necessary to explain to the House that there is really no perceptible change, and for this reason, that in the larger total I have mentioned are several sums which do not pro- perly belong to the services of the year, or of the Dominion, being arrears of the late Province of Canada ; and there is also a sum which it is pro- posed to strike out when going through Committee (included in the detailed estimates), because it will not have to be expended before July next. These two sums are : for arrears of the late Province of Canada. . $814,357 and the over estimate proposed to be struck put is 205,100 making together ....' $1,019,457 which, if deducted from the gross amount of the detailed estimates 17,336,019 leaves as the estimated expenditure for the services proper to the year 1867-8, of 316,316,562 which differs by less than a hundred thousand dollars from the rough estimate made in December last. (Hear.) I make the explanation with reference to the over estimate, because, in consequenco of the provisions in the new Audit Act, that the sums voted for one year shall not be allowed to lay over until a following year, but must be voted afresh, if not used within the twelve months, there would in fact be a double vote for the same service if they were not omitted now. Having thus compared the estimates of December with these now sub- mitted to the House, it may be stated that the real result of the year's operations is — Total estimated expenditure $16,316,562 Deduct for expenditure on capital account and redemp- , ,' ' tion - $1,863,498 1; and there must be further deducted such items as i. " r arrears of the Seigniorial Fund, the amount of ' ^'' ^ '* ' arrears for hospitals and charities 131 ,704 Total 1,995,202 which ought not to enter into the expenditure of the present , year. These two amounts being deducted from the estimated gross expenditure give as the ordinary expenditure of the year... $14,321,360 I now come to the statement of the anticipated revenue to meet this expenditure, and I hope the result will not be unsatisfactory to the House or to the country. It will be remembered that in November last, the Government anticipated that there would be sufBcient revenue to meet the expenditure, and a small excess besides. Well, judging from the experience of the nine months that have now expired since the beginning of our fiscal year, July 1st, I am enabled to state that I think those antici- pations will be fully realized, and that there will be some excess — a fair and moderate excess — beyond even that which in December last I said I expected. (Hear, hear,) 5 The cross receipts from Customs and Excise were then estimated at.?.... $« 000,000 The actual receipts from Customs up to the Slst December, were ; 5,318,063 Judging from the receipts of the three months since, and mak- ing a corresponding estimate for the future months, it is ex- pected that we shall have received between the 31st December and June 30th, a sum of. 3,681,937 making a totftl of. $9,000,000 The receipts from. Excise it is anticipated will reach 2,y70,000 and those from Miscellaneous sources have already been «2,947,100 : ';;^ from which I make a reduction because several sums found ' ■ their way into the account which do not properly belong to ii» ^i- i : > the MisccUamous receipts of the year, such as arrears be- ■' >' ''■' longing to the Provinces of Quebec and Ontario ; so that ^^i^' ' " • the total Miscellaneous revenue belonging to the Dominion is estimated at 2,725,500 shewing a total estimated revenue of (*)• • .$14,695,500 against a total estimated expenditure of. (f ) . . . 14,321,360 giving an anticipated surplus, at the 30th of June next, of. . $374,140 (Hear, hear.) I think. Sir, there is no xcason to doubt that these an- ticipations will be fulfilled. We have endeavored to bring the greatest care and accuracy to bear in ascertaining what the expenditure and income up to this time have been, and unless someth'ng unforeseen and extraordinary occurs, the statement I have just now laid before the House will bo re- alized. Up to the 15th March, out of a total sum for which tt ^^i*^ is asked, of. $17,336,019 there had been spent 9,542,000 leaving in hand for the rest of the year $7,794,019 and I hardly expect that the expenditure between that day and the 30th June next will amount to so much. I believe there has been an over estimate, and properly a liberal estimate, because under the stringent pro- visions of the Audit Act there is no possibility that the Executive can spend any more than Parliament has appropriat*-d, and it is ther^^fore necessary that any error should be on the side of an over estimate, rather than an under estimate, f Hear.) I have so much ground to go over that I now at once proceed to state the changes which have taken place in the floating debt since December last. It will be "remembered that the amount of our floating debt, in- cluding the interest payable in January, 1868, which was then in course e of truDsmission to England, was then stated to bo $6,911,901 There waa, however, a sum duo to the Court of Chancery, which was not included in that statement, being an amount which had been deposited at about that time of. 100,000 And there was further due a balance of subsidy account to the various Provinces, since ascertained, of. 146,775 »'■«;'! ;;i
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making a floating debt in December last, of. , $7,158,670
From this amount must bo deducted the Bank balances which,
as they stood at that date, were 3,303,869
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leaving a balance of floating debt, then to be provided for, of. $3,854,807
Now, Sir, on the 15th of April, the floating debt stood as follows : —
There was due to the English agents on all accounts, — as well on account
of Novd Scotia and New Brunswick as on account of the old Province of
Canada and of the Dominion $510,532
We have thus -educed these balances from the very largo
amount at which they stood in December, to about £100,000
sterling. (Hear, hear.) ,r
There was duo to the Bank of Montreal a loan contracted in
December 2,500,000
There was due to the various Provinces, balances of their
subsidy accounts 591,767
making a total floating debt on the 15th April, of $3,602,299
from this must be deducted the bank balances on that day,
which were 1,893,523
shewing that the net floating debt had been reduced to the
sum of I: (*).;. $1,708,776
In December, as I have shewn, it was $3,854,807. It will thus be seen
that there has been a very important reduction. I trust, Sir, this sen-
sible diminution will be satisfactory to the House. (Applause.) The
floating debt has been so reduced by the sale of securities in England,
and by the negotiation of Dominion stock in Canada. It will be recol-
lected that there was a very large balance due on account of Nova Scotia
for over drafts on their fiscal agents in England. This has been covered
bj the sale, since December last, of Nova Scotia bonds, held by the fiscal
agents, which have been endorsed by the Dominion, and havt been nego-
tiated to the extent of •{•$1,002,153. Dominion Stock has been issued
to the amount of |$1, 600,000. I think we may congratulate the
country on this reduction in our floating debt, and I trust that before twelve
months are over it will be a thing of the past. (Hear.) I believe we shall
be able to issue securities so as to fund the whole floating debt and conduct
our finances in future upon a thoroughly independent basis. (Hear, hear.)
Now, in connection witJi the mode in which this floating debt has been
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diminished, allow itic to say a word or two as to the isHue of Domin-
ion Stock, a kind ot security which I think it is of considerable importance
the country should possess, and to the advantages of which I think the public
is not yet fully alive. It is more advantageous to the public than ordi-
nary bonds. It gives no trouble about cuttingoiF couponsevery six months.
It is inscribed on the books of the Receiver General, similarly to
Bank Stock, and there can be no possibility of any loss whatever to the
holder. Then it possesses this other advantage that it is transferable at
various points in the Dominion, and in small sums. Any person
may invest any sum over $100 in Dominion Stock, and receive the inter-
est upon it half-yearly. This facility for investing broken sums is an
advantage which, it seems to me, is not sufficiently underdtood. Any
broken sum whatever may be inscribed on the books of the Goverrment,
and transferred in the regular way I am happy to be able to state to the
House that the mode in which this stock was taken up by the country
exhibits gratifying features. The number of tenders was 61 under par,
and 145 at and above par. It is a pleasing circumstanfie connected with
the distribution of this stock, that it was diflFused over the country in
small sums, among trustees, executors, charitable institutions and individuals,
seeking a permanent investment for moderate means. I consider it one of
the most desirable features of the stock, that its distribution in small sums
over the country gives the public at large an interest in the permanency
and stability and honest admxuist'-ation of our aflFairs. {.niti &f.'?
Hon. Mr. HOLTON — Will the Minister of Finance please also to state
the number of allottees ?
Hon. Mr. ROSE — If my hon. friend will have a little patience, till the
return moved for by the hon. member for South Ontario is brought down,
he will get full information on this point, and on all the others embraced
in the motion. As I have already stated, the balance of the sum which
has gone in diminution of the floating debt was raised by the sale of
securities of Nova Scotia issued on the credit of the Dominion, I am
happy to state, that although there were circumstances aiFecting the gene-
ral relations of this country at that time which, it might have Ijeen appre-
hended, would have prejudiced the sale, the first financial operation of the
Dominion in England was carried out satisfactorily for the interests of the
public.
' 'Hon. Mr. HOLTON — I presume it is the Nova Scotia bonds which
you s-veak of as Dominion securities.
_ Hon. Mr. ROSE— Yes ; they were part of the debt which the Domi-
nion assumed.
, " Hon. Mr. HOLTON— Was the form of the bonds changed ? &i nft
Hon. Mr. ROSE — No ; but they were stated to be a part of the dfebt
for which the Dominion was liable. The form of the security matters
nothing, so long as it was issued as a Dominion security. (Hear, hear.)
I will now only say one word more with reference to the balance of the
floating debt which still exists. I think the House need feel no appre-
henaioa but that the floating debt will, before the lapse of any long period of
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time, be discharged. (Hear, hear.) I need only remind the House that
there are sources, to which I stated in December that I looked for di-
minishing the floating debt, which are not yet exhausted. We have in the
legislation of this session the means which will enable the Governm'^nt
gradually, oud without disturbance to any of the commercial intercuts of
the country, to absorb the balance of that floating debt. We have made
some progress in our negotiations with the Great Western Railway, with
a virw to realizing the consid^^rable indebtedness of that corporation. We
have not been idle either as to the indebtedness of the Bank of tipper
Canada. There has been both legislation and executive action upon that.
We also anticipate a fair amount from deposits to be made by Insurance
Companies, as a security to the public ; and there is now a measure befor*;
the House whi'^h will have this effect. Then there are tl e Post Office
Savings Banks, which are doing a large measure of good ; not withdraw-
ing money from the banks, as has been .stated, but accumulating the
savings of the industrious classes in a vfp.y that must be productive of
benefit to themstlves, and be of advantage to the country. The views of the
Government with reference to Savings Banks v:ere explained in December,
but so far action has been confined to the establishment of Post Office
Savinfl^s Banks. As the House is aware, there have been established in
the mother country not only Post Office Savings Banks but other
Savings Banks whose money is invested ia Government Securities,
the former being not in opposition to but in harmony with the
latter. But we have thought it inexpedient to establish other Government
Savings Banks at this moment, till we have had further experience of the
working of the Post Office Savings Banks. If the advantage of the
security of the Government is to be given to those who desire to place
their small savings in its possession, it should be so effected that
this direct security should be given to the individual the moment the
money leaves his hands. It will not do to have intermediate institutions
which will receive from depositors their savings, and hand them over to
the Government, because under that system there would be a period dur-
ing which the depositor would be without the security of the Government.
It will be seen by the House that it requires a great amount of machinery,
and attention to a great many complicated details before such a system
can be put in operation, without involving too large a cost. Such a
machinery has been provided by the Post Office Department with refer-
ence to the Post Office Savings Banks, and it has been thought bettor
that we should test this by time before we go further and establish what
may more properly be called Government Savings Banks. Before passing
on to another point, I wish to say a word with reference to a feeling which
I have been informed exists t^ some degree in the country, that the
Government is taking possession of too large an amount of the money
which is needed for carrying on the commerce of the country. I think
there is no ground for any such apprehension. I can assure the House
that the Government will watch anxiously and vigilantly the effect of their
naeasures ^n this respect, and will not withdraw from the banking institu-
tions and the commercial interests of the country that capital which is
needod to carry ou their operations. Auy check or stringency we are
aware muHt necessarily cause the general prosperity of the country to
suffer. Thero has been, it is true, a consi(loral>le amount received by the
Government from the issue of^ominion Stock, and a further sum througli
the Savings Banks, but the Savings Banks have merely received the small
savings of individuals which would otherwise have lain unproductive.
That is the legitimate use of Savings Banks. Since they went into opera-
tion, the increase of deposits in the Banks has gont^ on steadily, and I
think I am safe in saying that the amount received by the Post Office
Savings Banks will not in any way interfere with the general deposits in
the banking institutions of the country. The same may be said with
reference to the other sources from which I have indicated that we look
to obtain the means of meeting a portion of the floating debt. Take the
deposits to be required from the Insurance Companies; the greater
portion of them will come from abroad, and, generally, I think it right to
say. in order to calm any apprehension which may have been excited, that
it is the desire of the Government most carefully to guard against under-
taking any financial operations which would havo the effect of depicting
the Bank dt,j[iosits. (Hear, hear.) v .••,., ■■■%■,
I now come. Sir, to explain the financial relations of the various Provinces
to the Dominion ; and although up to the present time they are hardly
to be looked upon as perfectly well defined and accurate, yet thfv are
in a much more reliable and satisfactory sh.'ipe than they were in ji^ecem-
ber last. The House will see that it is difficult to arrive at a correct
estimate of the liabilities of the various Provinces towards the Dominion,
or of the relations of the Dominion towards those Provinces, at once.
I will begin, however, with Nova Scotia, and state the amount of its obliga-
tions on the 1st of July last, when the Union came into effect, and what
charges against it were then an> ipated. Its debt was then stated
at S7,435,285
end as it was entitled to come into the Dominion with a debt of 8,000,000
this left "a balance to be given to it of. §564,775
But beyond that figure it was found that the obligations of the Province
amounted to the very considerable sum of about $1,400,000. As is kaown
to the House, under the terms of the Union Act the Dominion is bound
to assume and meet all (ha enyagcments of the several Provinces entered
into prior to the 1st of July, no matter by what amount they may be found
to be in excess of the.debt with which they entered the Union. The debt
proper was composed of debentures payable in London, debentures pay-
able in Halifax, Barings' account, the amount due to Savings Banks, and
tho amount of Provincial notes in circulation. The amount of liabilities
>ve have had or now have to provide funds to moot, arc —
, Arrears of appropriations paid $320,141
'^ Do still payable 119,599 ^j^
~ Balance to Windsor and Annapolis Railway 833,662
; Due Bank of Nova Scotia 52,25(T
Balance to Pictou Railway r. 193,326
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Provincial Notes to be redeemed 90,000
Balance of Barings' account 315,293
Making together $1,924,271
Now, Sir, I think it is a matter of which every honorable member is sen-
sible, that the inauguration of the Union has not been unaccompanied
with very considerable financial difficulties. Under the terms upon which
', the sevoral Provinces came into the Union it devolved upon the Dominion
to meet their engagements. The actual debts of the Maritime Provinces
did not amount to $8,000,000 and $7,000,000 respectively ; and there
arose the necessity on the part of the Dominion of providing the means to
make up the debts of these Provinces to their quotas. But that docs not
represent the whole amount of financing which was necessary in order to
meet the engagements which the Dominion had assumed. There had to
be provided in the case of Nova Scotia, in cash or otherwise, to meet these
engagements, the sum of $3,019,628. This sum is made up of the items
I have already given , $1,924,271
and of the overdrawn account with the Financial Agents
of the Province amounting to^ , 1,095,357
m.iking the total for which we had to provide $3,019,628
Before I leave this b^-'nch of my subject, perhaps I may be allowed to
state what the present condition of the account is, as between Nova Scotia
and the Dominion. The total receipts from Nova Scotia, exclusive of
the sale of its bonds in England, up to date of the last accounts
were -, $1,159,298
The payments on account of Nova Scotia, exclusive of the
payment to Barings, which was partly met by the sale of
bonds, were ^ 1,821,222
showing an excess of payments over receipts of $661,924
Now, let me say one word in reference to a remark that has been made
.11 regard to the amounts inserted in the estimates to be expAided on
account of Nova Scotia and I'^iW Brunswick. It is to be remembered that
under the terms of the Union Act they were entitled to come in with deits of
$8,000,000 and $7,000,000 respectively, and that whatever sum in addi-
tion to these amounts their engagements might come to had also to be
assumed by the Dominion. Now, their real debts at the time of the
Union did not amount to the eight anl se en millions stipulated, and a
great portion of the expenditure on their account, now inserted in the
estimates, is to bring their debts to these sums,'" ^d must not be considered
as representing an outlay on the part of the Dominion in excess of their
debt. I think it only just that this explanation should be made in order
to remoye any misapprehension that may have arisen upon the point.
(Hear, hear.) I mention the present state of the account with taese
Provinces not as affording any indication of the ultimate advantages or
disadvantages of the Union, but simply by way of explanation for the in-
formation of the House. In alluding to it I do not. desire in the slightest
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degree to refer to it for any sectional purpose, but simply as a matter ot
account which the House has a right to know. (Hear, hear.) ,, (.j-,,
I now come to the relations between the Province of New Brunswick
and cho Dominion.
The debt of New Brunswick at the time of the Union was 85,923,422
leaving, in order to make up its quota of $7,000,000
a balance to be paid to it, of $1,076,578
But the estimated excess of the debt of the Province
beyond the $7,000,00u, is about $800,000
rt Hon. Mr. FISHER — That is made up by the subsidies?
Hon. Mr. ROSE — No, it is the amount of debt in excess of that with
which the Province was entitled to come into the Union. The Dominion,
as I have already stated, is bound to fulfil the engagements existing on the
part of No'-a Scotia and New Brunswick at the time of the Union.
Those engagements will cause an excess on the pf.rt of Nev* Brunswick
of $8C9,000 over the $7,000,000. This excess is made up in this way :
Western extension subsidy $886,000 ;
Eastern extension subsidy 360,000
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Western extension stock.
Fredericton branch
St. Stephen's branch balance.
Woodstock branch balance. .
Land damages
Add, what we have had to pay of the old liabilities-
Bonds overdue ia November last
Balances due to Barings
300,000
215,000
6,000
82,500 ..
20,000-, 4
$1,809,500 ;
151,970 viij
107,888
Making ?. total of $2,128,358
Hon. Mr. FISHER — How has the item for land damages arisen ?
Hon. Mr. ROSE — I presume under an Act of the late Legislature.
. Mr. JOHNSON — There is no such law in New Brunswick.
4 Hon. Mr. ROSE — Well, it is in the official statement of the account.
It follows, therefore, that the amount which had to be financed for on
account of New Brunswick was $2,128,353; which had to be met either in
cash or at short dates, and which is now in course of payment. I will
now state the present position of the account of New Brunswick. The total
receipts from that Province up to the present time have been $760,668
to which add the cash on hand at the time of the Union .... 275,542
making the total receipts $1,036,210
Hon. Mr. HOLTON— What does my hon. friend mean
by receipts from New Brunswick ? Are they on account of
the Provincial Government ?
Hoi. Mr. ROSE — No, they are receipts on account of the
Dominion, The payments tc New Brunswick have been.... $1,393,940
^wing ao exofese of payments over i-eceipte of.
$367,730
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Prom what I have stated it will be seen that the duty devolved upon the
Finance Department of the Dominion, with reference to these two Pro-
vinces, of finding cash, in order to meet the engagements and existing
debts —
Of Nova Scotia, to the amount of. , $3,019,628
Of New Brunswick, to the amount of 2,128,358
Making a total, to be provided for by the means I have " '
' mentioned, of 85,147,986
Of course these Provinces were entitled, under the terms of the Union
Act, to have all their engagements promptly met by the Dominion, even if
beyond the amount of debt which was fixed upon in order to equalize the
liabilities to which the inhabitants of all the Provinces of the Dominion
are subjected, and I only mention the amount to show the large demands
which have been made upon the Finance Department of the Government.
With reference to Ontario and Quebec, the relations are simpler, because
in their case it was a dissolution of partnership and not the taking in of a
new partner into the concern. It is very diflBcult to say what the amount
of the debt of these Provinces will be in excess of the $62,500,000, which
is their quota under the Union Act. It has generally been estimated at
$8,700,000, but the precise figure it is for many reasons impossible now
to state. One reason may be found in the Estimates which were laid
before the House some days ago, from which it will be seen that there
are considerable arrears in regard to which it is questionable whether they
belong to the Dominion or not. Take for instance the arrears of grants
to charitable institutions which were under discussion the other day; take
the payments of considerable sums as retiring allowances to the officers of
the Senate who were recently dispensed with ; take the amount due by the
Bank of Upper Canada ; the arrears due by the Great Western and tho
Northern Railways, together with various other items, and it will be seen
that at this time it is impossible to state the precise amount of debt which,
will be divided between Ontario and Quebec when it comes to be adjusted.
I should be doing grt^at violence to my own feelings if I did not here
aoki owledge the manner in which the Treasurers of Ontario and Quebec
have :.ctcvl m all transactions which have arisen between them and the
Finance Dep<\rtment of the Dominion, I regard it as of the very greatest
importance to the well-being of the country, and the satisfactory working
of the Union, that there should continue to be the same amicable feeling
between the officials of the various Provinces and those of the Dominion.
And in referring especially to them I do not wish to except the officials
of Nova Scotia, for although the Government of that Province is not very
friendly to the Union, I must say that in their intercourse with the officers
of the Finance Department, they have met every question that came up
in a fair and straightforward manner, and have always displayed business
like spirit highly satisfaciory and creditable. Tho same spirit, I must
add, has also been shown by the Local Government and the Treasurer of
Kew Brunswick.
Hon* ^ir. HOLTON— Will my houorable friend permit me to ask a
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question ? It is with reference to the subject of the debts of Ontario and
Quebec. Do I understand my honorable friend to say thaft the debt of
the Dominion will be aiFecttd by the settlement of the debt as between .
the two Provinces ? ,
Hon. Mr. HOSE— I would rather not go into a statement as to'ae
principle or mode in which those debts are to be settled. They are to
form the subject of arbitration, and from the high character of the gen-
tlemen who have been selected as arbitrators, I have no doubt that a
satisfactory result will follow. I now come to the estimates for
next year, which perhaps form not the least interesting part of my
statement. I mean, Sir, the Estimates for the year ending on the 30th
June, 1869, which were brought down this afternoon, (Hear, he. r.)
In adverting to them, it will be seen from the observations I have already
made that it becomes indispensably necessary, if we are to look straight
in the fa^e what the current obligations and revenues of the Dominion are
now and are likely to be in the future, that we should distinguish between
what is ordinary and what is extraordinary expenditure. From the
statement I have laid before the House, it is apparent that there are ex-
tensive w6rks going on in various parts of the Dominion, payment for
which cannot bo made out of the current revenue of the coi'.atry, and
which must necessarily be met by means of loans. I therefore propose to
distingi. ah between the expenditure for the ordinary services of the
Dominion and this expenditure on account of public works, which is
extraordinary and which I term capital account. I have in the statement
I have laid before the House calculated everything which can by any
possibility be taken into the account as ordinary expenditure ; and among
the extraordinary expenditure I have included nothing which cannot,
beyond all doubt, be fairly met by means of loans. It will be licen by the
Estimates that the anticipated expenditure for the year 1868-9 on ordi-
nary account is (*)... .$13,886,645.
I propose to add to that amount, though l do not, propose
;?- to take a vote for it, the sum of. 154,516
for reasons which I shall presently state, making the total
possible ordinary expenditure (f).... $14,04?, 161
This additional sum of ^154,516 I include for this reason: The
anticipated outlay upon the Intercolonial Railway and the expendi-
ture on account of fortifications may possibly begin in the year 1868-9.
I have estimated that operations on the Intercolonial Railway Will extend
over a period of four years, and on account of fortifications I do not sup-
pose it is possible to limit the expenditure within a less period thati five
years. I have estimated that, if these works commence this year, there
may be an expenditure going on for a period of six months, during the
financial year 1868-9, causing ah expenditure of one-eighth of the whole
amount on the Intercolonial Railway, and one-tenth of the amount whibh
my honorable friend the Minister of Militia proposes to ask for fortifiba-
tions. TM interest and sinking fund upon tjfiis onfineighth of thfe exp^-
* £2,843,U6 (terling. f £2,885,170 eteTliog. ,... .^-...
diture oa the Intercolonial Railway and one-tenth on fortifications is thin
sum which I have just now mentioned, $154,516 ; and I propose, in
order that the Government may not be chargeable with omitting to make
provision for any expenditure that may possibly arise, to regard that,
when the House comes to consider the ways and means, as a sum which
has to be provided for this year. In addition to what I term the ordinary
expenditure of the year, and of which I shall give the heads in a few
minutes, there is to be met by loans on account of public works, rrilways
and other works of improvement now going on, the sum of $2,456,000
and for redemption of debt ,.., 1,618,267
making a -total of 84,074,267
With reference to the amount of the debt which has to be redeemed this
yetr, there is a portion of it for which we need make no provision, as it will
be met by the sinking fund. This amounts to $683,767, and the balance,
8874,500, represents the bonds bearing seven per cent, issued two years ago.
It is further estimated that there may be an expenditure on capital account
for the Intercolonial Railway and Fortifications on the principle I have
now mentioned, for the six months operations, 1868-69, of the sum of
$2,968,666. Of course this amount has to be raised by loan. These
estimates, sir, undoubtedly call for a large measure of caution on the part of
the Government. I can assure the House that I am by no means
disposed to under-rate the burdens on the public ; and, when undertaking
an expenditure of this kind, it becomes our duty to see whether we arc
restricting our ordinary expenditure within as narrow limits as possible —
there must be no waste of the public money — the civil Government must
be carried on economically — and in all the branches of public administra-
tion lavish or unnecessary expenditure must be avoided. And, undoubt-
edly, now — in entering on a new state of political existence — is the
proper time for considering and revising the whole expenditure, and
making reductions where such are practicable. There are, it will readily
be seen, certain items on which there can be no retrenchment ; these
are — Interest on the Public Debt — the Subsidies payable to the va'-lous
Provinces — Seigniorial Payments — amounts payable to the Indian fund —
amounts payable for Post Office and Steamship service under contract —
and the sums for the maintenance of the Public Works. None
of these items are susceptible of reduction ; and they form a total
of expenditure which amounts to some nine millions and a half
or about seventy per cent, of the entire outlay for Dominion
purposes. No matter what our desire for economy or retrench-
ment, these items must remain as they are. Let me, however, call the
attention of the House to it«ms with regard to which it is ihe desire of the
Government to see whether it is not possible to make a reduction in the outlay.
These are the expenditure for the Civil Government — for the Administra-
tion of Justice— for Legislation — Militia — Public Works —Collection
of Customs and Excise— Miscellaneous-^- Emigration and Fisheries. These
items involve, altogether, an expenditure of about $4,000,000. The
GoTWWueotr tov^ ooi beeo remiss in endeavoring to do-wbftt Qcmld be
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(lone, and as speedily as possible to analyse and to reduce this expendi-
ture where it was proper, having at the same time a duo regard for the
efficiency of the public service. The Audit Bill of last session was a step
in this direction, and a very important one. Under it every shilling of
expenditure for the current year must be submitted to the House. There
will be no more old items voted in former years, on which the Grovem-
ment of the day could fall back. Each shilling not spent, up to July 1,
must be replaced in the Treasury, and a new vote taken for it. Now, Sir,
the House, the other night, made important reductions in its own expenses,
and the new Civil Service Bill, in which some progress has been made, will,
when carried out, put the service on a much more satisfactory, and it is
believed, economical footing. There is also the Bill with reference to
Contingencies. That it will have some effect in reducing expenditure, and
forming a check on the Civil Government may be seen by reference to the
Estimates of next year, for we propose to ask for a very much less amount
for Contingencies than was required last year. We think we see our
way to a fair reduction under the provisions of the two bills mentioned.
(Hear, hear.)
I will now indicate to the House the sources from which we propose to
derive our revenue, and the principles which have guided the Government in
revising the existing taxation. Before doing so, however, I desire to
appeal to the forbearance and patriotisra of members of this House, repre-
senting various localities, not to ask at the hands of the Government at
the present time any appropriations for new works. (Hear, hear.) I
need scarcely say that it is of the last importance to the credit of the
Dominion that we should not start with anything like a deficiency in
the public exchequer. There must be an end to the deficiencies which
existed in the Province of Canada years ago. The Government are
now sustained by a large majority in the House and in the country ;
and the Minister who will not, either by reduction in expenditure or
by additional taxation, establish an equilibrium in the finances, is
undeserving the confidence of the country. (Hear, hear.) It is of the
utmost importance to our future that we should recognise and act on the
principle that we will not allow even a possibility of a deficiency arising
between the revenue and expenditure. If I were not supported in the
enforcement of this policy I would not consent to hold my position for one
hour. (Hear, hear.) However desirable it may be to promote local
undertakings, and no one appreciates more fully than I do the duty of
developing the great resources of the country, I think that until we
understand fully the real state of our balance sheet, we ought to be very
chary indeed in entering on new works not obligatory on us. (Hear,
hear.) Another, and a powerful consideration which guides the policy of the
Government is this: we feel that the duty of the present hour is to
consolidate the Union, to avoid all changes which are not of pressing
necessity. We feel that every new measure of taxation is liable to be
misrepresented and misunderstood in Nova Scotia, and that until the
Union is firmly established, until those who are not yet entirely
reconciled to it have become «o, our pplicy^ought to be_pne of forbearance
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and couciliatiou towards theui. Such a course will, I believe, commend it-
self to the great majority of the House. (Hear, hear.) We have tocon-
sider, also, our position towards the United States. We are not insensi-
ble to the circumstances in which Canada has been placed in consequence
of the repeal of the Keciprocity Treaty, and the unwise and restricted
l^ialation adopted by our neighbours on the other side of the line. (Hear.)
We are not insensible to the fact that many of the principal products of
this country have by the imposition of high duty been almost prohibited
from entering their markets. The coal trade in Nova Scotia we know is
languishing, the men working only two or three days in the week. Our
lumber is subject to a heavy duty, and our grain and fish are in the
same position. With respect to fish indeed, the duty is so high that even
if we imposed a license fee at the rate of $4 per ton on American vessels —
as we have been urged to do, not only abroad but by a Committee of the
House— that would still fall far short of the duty they impose on
our fish. We feel also that our trade on the lakes has . been
subjected to excessive charges when our vessels enter American ports.
We know that while all their agricultural products come in free, ours are
almost excluded from their markets. It may be that hereafter we may
be compelled to adopt a policy different from that which we are now pur-
suing. But the Government have thought that anything like retaliatory
or restrictive measures at this moment would not be conducive to the best
interests of the country. We ought rather to show an example of lib-
erality, and as far as we can relieve commerce and our mutual inter-
course of all trammels and restrictions. (Hear, hear.) The House is aware
that one great obstacle to the renewal of free intercourse between ourselves
and the people of the United States has lately been removed. I allude to
the almost entire sweeping away of taxes on their internal industry. We think
we see in that an indication of a less restrictive policy. The feelings of irrita-
tion which had something to do in prompting the action of Congress touching
the repeal of the Keciprocity Treaty have we trust now passed away. We
see that they have recently been instituting enquifj'^ a?, to the manner in
which American interests were aflfected by the abrogation of that Treaty ;
and by the information laid before Congress, it is evident that the Ameri-
can people are alive to the ftict that this restricted irtercourae is operating
injuriously to them. The coal and manufacturing interests in New
York, Boston and other Atlantic cities, are clamorous for a repeal of the
duty on Nova Scotia coal. Other important interests begin to feel the
pinching occasioned by the restrictive policy adopted by the American
Government. (Hear, hear.) We do not at all under estimate the impor-
tance of having at our door a market of 40,000,000 of people ; we feel that
in being debarred from that market we have suffered something and may
suffer more. Yet it has not been an unmixed evil. It forced on the en-
terprising people of this country the necessity of seeking other markets,
and the resuH of this has been in the highest degree gratifying. Many of
their products which formerly went to the United States have found other
and more remunerative markets. The exports of Canadian products to
other countries have gone on increasing in a very large proportion, although
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the trade with the United States has fallen oiF. And here let me for one
moment refer to a trade which I believe as firmly as I stand here might
be laid hold of by the people of this country. I refer to the West India
trade. (Hear.) In those Islands we might find a profitable market for
most of the surplus products of Canada. The recent report of the Com-
missioners called attention to the important fact, that the British and
Spanish West Indies received from the United States products which we
can just as well send, such as lumber, flour, butter, cheese, staves, shooks,
boots and shoes, hardware, &c. The British West India Islands alone
received of these articles to the extent of ten millions of dollars a year ;
the Spanish West Indies to the figure of eight millions of dollars; and if we
add Hayti and St. Domingo, we find ;in aggregate trade of nearly twenty-
five millions of dollars with the United States, in articles which we p*-- duce
and might supply. (Hear, hear.) Without trespassing on the House iurtL i
to explain the motives and policy of the Government, I ma;y say, in brief, thu.
our desire is to make as few changes in the tariff as possible. We desire
that these should be in the direction of conciliating our friends in the
Maritime Provinces, and, further, we desire not to restrict our inter-
course with the United States at the present moment. (Hear, hear.)
I will now proceed to point out in what respect we propose to reduce the
present taxation, a portion of the statement which I am sure will be
received with satisfaction. (Hear, hear.) We propose to take tj^e duty
off flour, meal, grain, and breadstuffs of all kinds. (Hear, hear, from
Nova Scotia members.) We j/ropose also to make a change in regard to
another matter in which I know my hon. friend opposite (Hon. Mr.
Savary) feels interested. We propose ti> follow up the course, the liberal
and enlightened course which Canada <