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' NEW YORK: NOVEMBER, 4889. 1. 1 i ? -/I i> » *■ 1) ) \ > J -' I 1,1 33 4 ACi'in '^: (, ^.4 ,* > ',-r THE FEASIBILITY •,,T,-- ?■ ■rl:bi;0\ OF / COMMERCIAL UNION.: ,'.-'! * [J^/'^m f/ie Chicago Tribune, Oct. 5, 1889.] um. l>rEW York, Oct. 3. — [Special Correspondence. J — A re- presentative of The Tribune recently traveling- trom Chicago to New York with Mr. Erastns Wiman, and, acting under instructions, secured irom him an exhaustive interview on the subject of closer commercial relations between the United States and Canada — a matter the iia])ortance of which is daily becoming more ai)parent to the thinkiiig people of both countries. i^ i .? 4^ ; A Mr. Wiman has perhaps as much as any other man in cither country contributed to the growing desire on both sides of the border for closer commercial relations. Born and reared in Canada, he has resided in New York for tlie last quarter of a century, and, althougli he has occupied in that city the position of a public spirited and thorough business man, he has not only retained his British nationality, but an ardent admiration for the greatness oi' his native country and its marvelous i)ossibilities for the benefit of the United States if the customs line between the two countries were obliterated. '• First let me know, Mr. Wiman," said the reporter, " what opportunities have you had to become informed as to the desire of the Canadian people for closer com- mercial relations with the United States ? " " Prior to my becoming a resident of the United States, twenty -five years ago, I had an unusual opportunity to The Feasibility of a Commercial Union, become acquainted with a great many people in (Canada. Having been commercial reporter for tire leading paper, the Toronto Globe, and subsequently Manager of the Mercantile Agency, it was my duty to travel throughout the Dominion, and I thus came in contact with all the leading business and public men of the country. Some indications of the extent of my acquaintance may be judged from the fact that in forty counties west of Belle- ville, in Ontario, when 1 left Toronto, I had no less than 2,000 registered correspondents, with all of whom I was on Terms of more or less intimacy, llemoving then to Montreal, I became acquainted with the merchants of that city and Quebec, and subsequently, to some extent, with those in the Maritijue l^rovinces. Since coming to New York I have maintained a large correspondence with many of these, while, as President of the most com- prehensive telegraph system of the Dominion, in con- nection with the Western Union, and interested in nu- merous undertakings, I suppose I have to-day a larger personal acquaintance with leading people of Ganada than any other Canadian outside of the Dominion. In the meantime it has been my good fortune to make the acquaintance of a great many people of the United States. In the promotion of many enterprises, and in connection with my own legitimate business of the Mercantile Agency, the necessary acquaintanceship has been very large, and I think I can safely say that few^ commercial men in the country have a wider range of business con- nections and acquaintances than myself. So that both from a Canadian and United States point rc view, I may certainly claim a wide range of knowledge as to the views of the people of both countries." y '< Do you believe that the Canadian people, as a whole, S' ■ Canada DeHircs Closer Connection. t ♦ 'S are sincerely desirous of a closer commercial relation with the United States ? '' " I certainly do believe/' replied Mr. Wiman, " that of all things which a great majority of the Canadians desire, the most important is, that they should have an open market in the United States for their i)roducts, and that they shonld be enabled to buy here in the cheaper manu- factures which the United States can furnish and which Canada requires, she at the same time supplying free raw material which the United States needs, and Canada can furnish, such as hunber, coal, iron, wool, lish, copper, l)otatoes, barley, oats, etc. ^^ \Vliy do you reach the conclusion tliat there is such an ardent desire for closer commercial relations ? " asked the reporter." '^ Well, the experience of the Eeciprocity Treaty, which terminated in 1865, was a great object lesson to Cana- dians. During the ten years of that treaty no country in the world prospered more than did Canada. Everythiug that she had to sell was disposed of at the best possible prices then prevalent, and to a near-by market, which absorbed with rapidity and profit all that Canada had to spare. The consequence was^ that every farmer in the country, every fisherman, lumberman and miuer, was benefitted, and throughout Ontario, especially, evidence of this prosperity was seen on every hand, by the erec- tion of substantial farm dwellings, barns, improved roads, and the general thrift and prosperity of the country. If such were the effects in ten vears of a free market for the hi natural products of Canada, sent into a market with con- sumers only half as numerous as they now are, and with manufactures not nearly so developed as at present, it is easy to foresee that the consequences of an open market 6 The Feasibility of a Comricrdal Union, now would be even more advantageous. Those v/iio have thought at all upon the subject believe that no event, in the whole category of events, could occur whhih would benefit a country so large, with products so numerous, as to have a market so near by, among a peo- ple so extravagant, and with means and facilities so ready of access to them. There is liardly an article which the farmer of Canada produces for which there would not be a demand. From the little currants and berries in his garden to the biggest horses which he breeds, the production of every article would be stimulated, and a price realized which would be much more satisfactory than at present." <* Would not this free introduction of agricultural pro- ducts from Oanaolitical union is shown that, notwithstanding the repeal of the Keciprocity Treaty in 1805, and in the face of the fact that its repeal was €^.ffected with the avowed purpose of forcing- Canada into the United States, there was until recently not the slighest indication of a desire on the part of the Canadian people in favor of annexation. On the contrary, from 1865 to 1885, — twenty years, — although the losses from the repeal of Reciprocity were simply enormous, there was not a whimper of discontent. The Canadians, relying upon their own resources, and working for a national development of their own, have absolutely shown less in- clination to any i)olitical change than they did in years previous to the Treaty." ^"Is there not, however, a very considerable party in Canada that really desire annexation to the United States ? " was asked. "There is in some quarters of the country a latent desire jiJi i .HW mmmmmmm 8 The Feasibility of a Commercial Union, for some political cUaiiK*', i^i^l it ha.s l>eoii allowed that if a secret vote were polled, there would be a great many people who would vote for Annexation ; but that there is any party existing, as such, who favor it, is not the case. Kot a single member of Parliament could be elected on that platform, and it would be i)olitical sui(ndo to the persons coucc^rned, if any organized attempt were made to force annexation. There is no country in the world in which there is more real political content- ment than there is in Canada; and except for the recent agitation in relation to the Jesuit (piestion, and the indulgence in the liope that perhaps annexation won • d relieve the non-Catholic provinces from what they consider the incubus of Catholicism, there is no re^il tendency t/O- . wards annexation. My own opinion is that, if annexation is ever brought about, it will be the result of the growth of a mutuality of interest, based on commercial advan- tages, which can only be done by breaking down the customs barrier between the two countries. For a hun- dred years Canada has stood out against the supposed attractions of the American Republic. She has mean- while learned to take advantage of all the institutions of a free government, and to av(Jid many of the disadvan tages which, in this country^ that system of government has produced. Her people are as free to-day as the people of the United States, and having a responsible govern- ment, with a majority of the people immediately reflected in Parliament, the will of the people is really more imme- diately expressed than in the government of the United States. There is no interference whatever on the part of Great Britain. The tie which binds Canada to the mother country is one of pure sentiment. The obly visible sign of connection is, that a Governor-General is selected and ■TT H iBIT- , -— ^— — ■ British Connection Sentimental 9 sent out by the British goveniinent, his saUiry, eiiual to that of the President of the United States, beinjf i)aid by the Oanadians. There is reserved by the Imperial government the imwer to alk)W or disuUow aets of legis- lation, but this has never been exercised since confedera- tion, and is not likely to be, unless wh€'n inten^sts of Great Biitain are seriously imperiled. The same rate of duty prevads in C^anada on goods imported from England as on those imported from the United States or else'vhere. Kot a dollar of Canadijin revenue goes to the Imperial govern- ment, and not a dollar of Imperial revenue is expended in Canada, except for purjmses of defence, and these have now reached very small proportions. The relation be- tween Canada and England, so iar as government is (ion- cerned, is of the slightest charactc^r, while the j)ersonal, business, and social relation between Canada and the United kStates is fivefold what it is between Canada and England." y '' How do you account for the ftict that the personal, business, and social relationship is so intimate between (Janada and the United States, as compare^ with Eng- land 1 -' asked the reporter. *' SJmply l)y this fact," replied Mr, Wiman, <' at fully one-fifth of the adult population of Canada are at present resident in the United States; that Canada has con- tributed to the United States a larger quota in proportion to the population remaining in that country than any other country, and that the amount of money remitted Irom the United States to Canada, through contributions to those that are left behind, coupled with the amounts paid to Canadian radroads for freight, by tourists, for pleiisure, and by direct importation and exportation, amounting to nearly one hundred millions of dollars, the mmm wm 10 The Feasibility of a Commercial Union. relation is really more intimate between the two countries on this continent than between Great Britain and her colony." " Is there much American capital invested in Canada ? " was asked. f 7<^ The amount of American capital invested in Canada is ill very small proportion to the amount of English capital ; still, the American capital is constantly increas- ing. Three-fourths of the lumber mc^nufacturers in Canada are Americans, and the total amount realized for lum- ber since the repeal of reciprocity by the American gov- ernment (which perhaps would amount to twenty millions of dollars) has been paid by Canadian Americans, into the American treasury, for use by Americans, and has been no more needed by that treesury than five wheels to a coach. There are quite a number of American manu- facturers in Canada, and several of her railroad systems are owned or controlled by Americans ; but tl)e bulk of the capital employed in (".anada belongs to Great Britain. It is estimated that, including the public debt, the rail- road exxienditure, the liiortgage indebtedness, the bank capital, and the municipal and other bonds absorbed in England, the amount of English cai)ital invested in Canada foots up 650 millions of dollars. This, even at four per cent., would show over 20 millions of dollars as the yearly tribute which Canada is paying to Great Britain, and which absolutely absorbs more than twice the surplus of her wheat crop, which is sui>poise: two countries as it is now between Illinois and Minnesota, or between Massachusetts and New York. So far as advantages are concerned to the manufacturer in the United States, by the creation of new markets, by supx)lies of raw material and cheapened food, they would be just as great under Commercial Union as under Political Union. The reso- lution which was introduced by that able statesman from Illinois, Hon. Mr. Hitt, and which was passed unanimously by the House of Eepresentatives at the close of the last session, opens the w^ay for an inquiry into the possibilities of a Commercial Union. The resolution was in these w^ords: ^^ Resolved hif the Senate and Home of Eejyreaentatives of the United Siatesy etc., That whenever it- shall be daly certifiod to the President <»f thti« United States that the Government of the Dominion of Canada has declared a desire to establish commercial nnion with the United States, having a nniform rev^enne system, like internal taxes, to be coIUicted, and like import duties to be imposed on articles brought iuto either country from other nations, with no duties upon trade betweeu the United States and Canada, ho shall appoiut three com- uilssioners to meet those who may be likewise designated to represent the Governmeut of Canada, to prepare a plan for the assimilation of the import duties and interual revenue taxes of the two countries, and an equitable division of leceipts, in a commercial union ; aae very little ditferent from what it is now. It might be said that if she regulated her own tarift* under the Commercial Union, each man, woman and child in the Dominion would have to pay $1.25 or $1.75 per annum, as the case might be ; while if it were fixed by the United States in the manner proposed, each num, wcmian and child might have to pay $1.50. It is just the dittereuce that each government might exact, and would be about the same amount in any case. It is simply the duty otregulating whiit that amount shall be. . Certainly nothing would be done in the United .States Congress adverse to Canadian interests if the tariff were always to be uniform ; t()r what was advantageous to JVlassachusetts and Maine would be advantagtMnis to the Maritime Provinces. That which would help New York, Pennsylvania and Ohio, would be good for Quel>ec and Ontario. All tarift' legislation that AV^ould contribute to the growth of Minnesota and Montana, would be equally beneficial to Manitoba and the Northwest Territories ; while that which would benefit the Pacific Coast could not fail to heliJ British C'Olumbia, equally with California and Oregon." "You then think the Canadians would really agree to the United 8tates regulating a tarilf which should be cont iQntal in its ai) plication f was asked. " Yes ; I think they would, because this is the penalty of their geographical location,^' replied Mr. Wiman. "They have either got to do without the United States market, w^hich is a serious deprivation, and without wbich tlnir country cannot be developed ; or they have iiiriiiiSiiAi. ^>j -i.t^i.i^JV'^""' ' •^ 18 The feasibility of a Commercial Union, jtrot to part with tlieir political independence, which they wonkl be reluctant to do. The only middle course is that of Commercial Union, and I believe that at the next gen- eral election, if the resolution of Mr. Hitt should pass both branches of the Natiorial Legislature, and a readi- ness thus shown for an intimate arrangement, as this reso- lution calls for, that a Parliament would be elected which would respond to that invitation in terms so pronounced as to eventually result in a Commercial Union, and that within a v€».ry short time." /\ '^ What makes you think that a Parliament would be elected that should have a Commercial Union com- plexion ? " was asked. "Well, in the first place, all the recent by-elections have been carried by what is known as Unrestricted Reciprocity candidates. Even in Tory constituencies the revoluaon of feeling in this respect is very great. Beyond all quv^stion, there is a steady tendency in the Canadian mind towards a better relation with the United States. At any rate the experiment might be tried with very little cost to the American i^eople. It would be simply the passage of this resolution of Mr. Hitt's, and an offer to appoint commissioners to negotiate an arrangement for the aj)i)rOval of Congress. Congress would certainly approve a policy which could be shown to be so eminently advantageous to the people of the United States, and equally advantageous to the people of Canada. The main reason why there is hope in Canada for Commercial Union is that the vast majority of the voting power in the Dominion is made up of farmers, their sons, farm hands, and the men dependent on them, such as proprie- tors of country stores and their clerks, wagon makers, cabinet makers, saddlers, blacksmiths, etc., and the agri- - :^ssssstr::mam mam The Canadians Benefitted. 19 cultural populace and their dependents generally. These would all be greatly benefitted ])y an open market in the United States for the products, of the fariu. The cultiva- tion of these products AVould be stimulated to double their present extent, especially in the vicinity of manu- facturing centres in the United States, in the minor pro- ducts (rf the farm, such as poultry, fruits, lambs, oats, potatoes, the smaU r grains, etc., in all of wl.ich there is more profit now than in ban filing wheat, beef, and other products exported three thousand miles away, at heavy cost, to Great Britain, there to compete with almost every country in the world. In addition to this large farmer constituency who would be greatly benefitted by a free admission to the ilmerican market, are the lumber dealers, who, with their employees, are a solid phalanx to beget a freedom to the (mly market that is available to them. Add to these the fishermen, whose industry would be greatly stimulated by the free admission offish ; the shipping interests, which would be enormously ad- vanced by the necessary amendment to the coasting laws ; and, above all, the miners, who in iron ore, copi)er, coal, and other products, under existing circumstances, have a practical exclusion from the best market the world affords. All these classes, massed together, would have an enormous advantage by an open market with the United States. To believe that they would for all time deny themselves these advantages for the mere sake of saying or regulating whether they shall be taxed $1.50 or $1.75, is to consider fin improbability. The question of the regulating of the taritf is a sentimental one. The people themselves, who pay the taxes, have little or nothing to say as to what the tarifl: shall be on the various articles under existing conditions. Mr. Eedpath, the ww wai i it ii . ii i ii» w « i 20 The Feasibility of a Commercial Union great sugar reflnor in Montreal, has done more to regu- late the tariff on sugar wliich he manuta<5tures, than all the farmers in Canada j)ut together. Tlie men who run the eotton mills make tlie tariff on eottons, wluch the farmers consume, and not the farmers themselves. The farmers of Canada are beginning \o realize this fact, and at the next general election, wMch takes place ivithin two years, if the United States will simply invite the voters, under the terms of the Hitt resolution, to a consideration of tlie (luestion of Commercial Union, my firm belief is they will respond by electing member.? to the next Parlia- ment who will be willing to treat on that question. The advantages are so enornnms, the sacrifices ate so small, that it seems incredible tliat the farmers, heavily taxed as they are, with a large mortgage indebtedness, with in- creasing store bills and steadily declining values, with their productions limited within narrow range, and their future full of uncertainty, will hesitate, if the (piestion is squarely put to them, whether they are willing to obtain all the advantages of the best market the world affords on the one hand, or, on the other, by <3enying themselves of that privilege, ('ontiiuie to be governed by the local manufacturer." for their own benefit." ^' You have said nothing as to the sentiment which ex- ists in Canada as to a discrimination against English goods in favor of American wares, which would be the case under a CommerciM U nion, wh«>reby American goods were admitted free, and those from England taxed.^ To this important query Mr. Wiman replied:' "It would be a question for the Canadian farmer to decide, whether he is willing to sacrifice himself for the benefit of the English manufacturer. If the cost of getting admis- sion into the American market for his products was the Dincrimination Against English Goods. 21 free admission of American iiianufactnres into the Cana- dian market, and the c^xclnsion by duty of Englisli goods, there is hardl.y any question but what the Oanndian fanner would preft^r his own interest to that of the British manu- faeturer. Even under existing eircnmstances, notwith- standing tlie uniform duty which prevails as against English and AnaTican goods, there are more vVmericun goods imported than British, while the rate of duty iir iiii imi'V^ it t'lir' ""v -uTTgririiigiiaritiitfBiii 22 The Feasibility of a Commercial Union. ^ they woulil not buy a dollar's worth of American goods, but would confluo themselves to eiitibg, drinking and wearing the goods produced by liritish snbje-cts. As to the qnestion of discrimination, it is true that it would look somewhat anonialon» io see one part of the British em- pire levying a tax upon goods from another part of tho same cnipire, while admitting the goods of a foreign and commercially hostile nation tree of duty. But the lioerty which England has given to her colony in this respect has already been availed of to the extent that, while the colony exacts a duty on English goods under existing cir- cumstances, she thereby encourages the production of goods manufactured within her own borders, thus dis- criminating against English goods in favor of her own people. If, by an extension of this liberty, she admitted American goods free, and created markets for her pro- ducts, in Chicago,Providence, J^oston, and Cincinnati and other places, she would be only exteiuling her home mar- ket for the absorption of Canadian products, while avail- ing herself of the advantages of cheap productive forces and lessened cost of freight, by absorbing American goods instead of English wares." ^ ^' You, then, thinii that the question of the regulation of the taritf by the Americans, the parties benefitted be- ing so largely in the majority, and the question of dis- crinnnation against English goods, Avould not prevent the Canadian electorate from returning a Parliament in favor of Commercial Union ? " was asked. "After the most careful and deliberate examination of the subject," replied Mr. Wiman, "its discussion with a great many people in various walks of life, and an acquaint- ance with the real public sentiment which prevails, not in the newspapers, but among the people at large, my Great Britain's Coment, 23 conviction is, that if the (Tuited States Congress will but pass the Hitt resolution, and the question is fairly presented to the Canad^n publh^ at the next /general election, which will occur within 18 months, a Parliament favoring Com- mercial Union vill be elected; and that, by concurrent legislation, rather than by a treaty with England, the purposes sought by those who seek unrestrained relations between the two cjountries, will be achieved." *' Suppose your diagnosis i3 correct, and that a Com- mercial Union Parliament were elected, and Commissioners appointed to confer with the United States, could this be done without the consent of Great Britain?" was asked. "Theoretically, no," was the reply of Mr. Wiman, " Up to this time, as I have before stated, pjugland has not ex- ercised lier power of disallowance on any Act of legislation by the Canadian I'arliament. Even when the tariff of 1 878 was enacted, by which English goods, such as cotton and sugar, were taxed almost out of sight, the English govern- ment did not interfere. Sir John Macdonald, the leading Tory loyalist of the country, when the question was asked whether British connection would not bo imperilled by this discrimination against English goods, and whether Great Britain would not interfere, remarked that if the connection was interfered with, ^ so much the worse for British connection.' It is just possible, that inasmuch as the measure enacting Commercial Union i)roposes that English goods should be taxed and American goods ad- mitted free, that the Governor- General would deem it sufficiently important to withhold his consent, and send the measure to the Imperial government for allowance or disallowance. If the Imperial government, after a full representation by a comuuttee from the Dominion Parlia- tmm mHim ■KHPM wmmm 24 The Feasibility of a Commercial Zhiion, \ meiit, withheld its consent from a perfect freedom, of com- merce between the llnited States and Canada, and if therv'i was thus a disposition shown to sacrifice the interests of the Canadian farmer, lumberman, fisherman and miner, for the benefit of the English manufacturer, the case would seem so hopeless to thinking Canadians, that there would be an immediate and rapid growth in the Annexation sentiment, and more would be done by that act of dis- allowance to sever the tie which binds Canada to Great Britain, than nlmost anything else that could occur. But the general opinion is that Canada Avould be allowed to do as she chose in a matter so peculiarly affecting her vital interests, and that England would within a short time consent to the concurrent legislation necessary to bring abcmt a perfect Commercial TJaiion between the two coun- tries. The great advani age of this jdan is, that to make it effective requires no tr(»aty, nor dii)lomacy ; that England is not brought at first into the matter at all; but that by a simple act of Canada on the one hand, and the United States on tlie other, such a commercial partnersliip is created as will vastly benefit the interests of both countries. At any rate, the exi)eriment might be tried by tlie United States. The Hitt resolution, if passed, binds them to nothing except the willingness to make an arrangement if Canada provides the necessary facilities for it, and ex- I)f esses an opinion favorable to it. Neither is Canada bound until these Commissioners report and Congress takes action. The Hitt resolution is simply a step in the right directiou, but it is a ste}> full of the greatest signifi- cance to both (H)untriea." '* Suppose the British Government consented to the arrangement by which American goods were admitted free and English goods taxed, and a markelpfcreated for ??. ■— **« The roUlical Effect. 91 Canadian goods in the United States, what would be the consequences to Canada f " " The consequj^nces of a free admission into the United States of Canadian goods woukl be to stimuhite enor- mously the growth of Canada. She would grow with the same rapidity as have the new States, became her de- velopment would have the largest scope. In this, beyond question, the American people would participate, and to accomplish it they would be the practical instrumentality. The result would be that in the course of live, ten or fifteen years, a large influx would take place of an Ameri- can element into Canada, and tliis would have su(5li an influence upon legislation as to shape and mould the future policy of the country. If at the end of ten or twenty years, annexation Avas deemed advisable, it could be efl'ected much more readily than under existing circum- stances. The advantages of personal contact with the Americans, the enlargement of commerce and trade be- tween the two countries, a more thorough knowledge of American institutions, a participation in their banking- facilities, absorption of their capital, and the freest inter- course in social relations, by intermarriage, etc., and, above all, the beneficial results of American energy and American enterprise, upon the latent resources of Canada, would certainly enlarge the chances of a political union if euch were then determined upon, so that a Couimercial Union may be considered a direct contribution to political union, if that was considered desirable." '* But are there not those who think precisely the oppo- site — that if Commercial Union were granted to Canada, and all the advantages to her material interests of a union with the United States conveyed thereby, she would not '-'9mf9>vmHmmi 26 The Feasihilitjf of ii Commercial Union. seek political union; and that in granting Commercial TJnioa political union is indefinitely postponed I" '^ Yes, undoubtedly ; and I honestly believe that the truest loyalist to British institutions in Canada to day is the most ardent Commercial Unionist. There is no argu- ment in (Canada of any weight whatever in favor of Com- mercial Union, except the argument of material advantage which would flow fi'om it. If that advantage can be got while maintaining her political autonomy, and avoiding a political complication with this country, there is no argu- ment in favor of annexation. At the same time it might be that the advantages to Canada in the future would develope in such a way as to make it important to her that a j)olitical union should be brought about ; but the future should be left to take care of itself. Canada will never be forced by the United States into a political union. If she is absorbed and assimilated, it will be the result of % gro^vth of mutual interest, not an indulgence in a retaliatory i)olicy, not the result of conquest nor forcing of any kind. Such an attempt would defeat itself; and the United States do not want Canada bad enough to attach to itself a Poland on the north, or any stretch of territory the people in which are not in entire and hearty sympathy with them." " In your contact with the business men of the United States, have you met many who are favorable to^ annex- ation with Canada ? " " Yes ; it is almost the universal sentiment that the annexation of Canada is the right thing ; but a very little explanation completely changes the sentiment. When it is poinded out that all the advantages of trade, all the profits therefrom, and all the increased demand for manufactures are created by Commercial Union, with- t l«MMi The Undesir ability of Annexation, 27 out the disadvantage of a Political Union, the business men of the United States, so far as I have met them, take favorabjy to the former. There are difficulties that would arise in a political union that the Canadian sees, which a resident of the United States does not. For instance, the development of the French Roman Catholic Church in Quebec is a serious consideration for the American people to contemplate, if Quebec is to be admitted as a State. The growth of the influence of that church in Massachusetts, and indeed throughout Kew England, coupled with the foreign Irish vote, already excites anxious attention. If under annexation Quebec were to be admitted as a State, she would have the right to establish a State church, and as her population is nine- tenths French, and nine-tenths Catholic, she would have an organized force within herself, from which might emanate influences throughout the Union that would create some api)rehension. At the period of the cession of Low^er Quebec to Great Britain the French population was 70,( KK). To-day they number in that Province 1,200,000, in the balance of the Dominion 300,000, while in the United States they are estimated to reach 1,000,000, so that there is a total French Roman Catholic population on the Continent of 2,500,000, indicating a growth in the last one hundred and twenty-five years of a most extra- ordinary character. This growth equals twenty-five jjer cent, per annum, which, at the same ratio of progression, would in fifty years make a French Roman Catholic pop- ulation in this country, if Quebec were admitted as a State, of betweeu 15 and 18 million people. If the United States desires to repeat the experiment of the Irish vote, and be practically ruled by a foreign element ; and if a union of this class and the French should be effected, 28 The Feasibility of a Commercial Union. the (lesceiidaiit of tlie native American niiftlit in titty years become almost politically extiTUjt, so far as in- fluence is coucerned. There are other antagonistic; ele- ments in Canada, which it w oidd take a long time to assimilate. There are a sntftcient number t)f problems already lu'essin^" for solution with the Ameri(;an people, without assuming an additional territory equal in extent to their present area, and taking within their fold a people wiiose. political affinities and education are some- what different from those prevailing here. If all the advantages of a commercial relation could be got without assuming these political burdens, it wcmld seem the truest wisdom to adopt that policy, at any rate as an alternative or ex})erimental one." "What advantage would come to the United States from a Conmiercial Union with Canada?" "In the lirst place there w^ould be a market among live millions of people of precisely the same tastes, absorb- ing the same kind of goods, as in this country. The United States are making strong efforts to extend trade with South and Spanish America. There is among all these nationalities combined a population of 55 millions of pe4^)ple, absorbing at present American goods to the extent of GO millicnu; of dollars per annum. There is in Canada a popidaiion of five millions, who are now con- suming American goods to the extent of 50 millions of dollars i)er annum — a people w ith the same Language, the same laws, the same literature. If by a single act of Con- gress the tariff of the United States coidd be made to ex- tend right around the continent, so as to enormously in- crease the area of her commerce, it would seem to be the wisest jjolicy to adopt, Another great advantage to the United States would be that she could procure in many \ Duty Only Ten C^ts per Head. 29 articles an abiuidaiit Hui^ply of free raw material. This is especially the case in iron, from Nova Bcetia, and indeed from all parts of the Domiiuon; coal, coke, wool, lumber, and all kinds of fish, and cheapened food, especially for New England localities. The sacrifice so far as the United States is concerned is very slight. To-day the amount of duty collected hy the United States Treasury on Canadian products, nearly altogether on ra-w material, approfiches six millions of dollars per annum. This is at the rate of less than ten cents a head for the population of the United States. For this trivial, insignificant sum, the manufacturers and traders of the United States are shut out of an area of trade almost equal to their own, wliile many of their manufactures languish because of in- ability to compete, owing to the tax on raw material. By Commercial Union a great number of important articles could be got from a near-by source of sui)i)lyj while at the same time the ,mtni wlio produce these articles could be made consumers of American manufactures. A ('om- mercial Union with the greater half of the continent would sim])ly meaii an extension of trade as in a new State or Territory, without political complications, with- out any financial sacrifices worth naming, and with an absolute advantage to all concerned." ' Of course you noticed, Mr. Wiman, that at tlu^ re(5ent session in Boston of Mr, Hoar's Committee on Canadian Relations, there \\eve many opinions favorable to a re- newal of Eeciprocity , while serious doubts were expressed as to the feasibility of Commer(aaI Union. What have you to say to this evidently growing demand for "Reci- procity in preference to Commercial Union ? " ^'If the reciprocity advocated before Mr Hoar's com- mittee," replied Mr. Wiman, "is that which is to be eon- mm 30 The Feasibility of a Comniercial Union. fined only to natural ])roducts of Canada and the TJnitod States, on the lines of the old treaty, of course Canada would jumj) at it. Tlie Tory i>arty, as well as others in Canada, woidd most gladly ac(;ei>t this, because Canada would thereby secure a boon of inestiniable value without the slightest sacritu;e, or indeed the slightast return ex- (jept as affording a free market for a small supply of corn, coal and cotton. The i)ossibility of renewing that kind of jug-handled reciprocity, as it is called, is exceedingly remote, when one recalls the tremendous pre])onderance of the Western agricultural States in Congress. Nor is the kind of reciprocity advocated before Mr. Hoar's com- mittee that which would confine itself to natural pro- ducts, but rather that which would include manufactures also. Now, it is all very well to proi^ose a reciprocity in manufactures as well as in natural products, but if the barriers are to be comi)letely broken down be- tween Canada and the United States, how is Canada to get a revenue with which to pay her heavy in- terest charges and sustain her Government ? Cer- tainly, if her markets are to be flooded with American goods under reciprocity, and little or no goods are to be brought in from England or other countries, the import duties realized under her i)resent tariff* woidd yield a sum altogether too small for the expensiveness with which our Canadian friends are governing themselves. Besides this, there would be nothing to prevent Canada from so adjusting her tariff' as to admit partially manufactured goods from England, finishing them in Montreal and To- ronto, and sending them into this country as Canadian manufactured goods. Certainly when the shrewd Ame- rican tnanufticturers l)egin to understand that thr kind of reciprocity advocated before Mr. Hoar's committee will lifSNi- :ii.- A Uniform Continental Tariff. 31 pt^riTiit 8ucli a possibili ty, it will have no chance whatever of being offered. " If Commercial LTnion Avere inaugurated, how would Canada get her revenue, which you Beem to think imj)os- sible to provide under a reciprocity of manufactures?" was then asked. '^ Under (vommercial Union there would be a uniform tariff right round the continent instead of athwart it. That tariff' the United States would practically fix. It would dcmbtless be jointly administered under a com- mission, in which, of course, the United States must neces- sarily have a majority. The revenues of both countries would be put into a common fund, or in other words, pooled, and after the total expenses of collection were paid, the sum would be divided in proportion to popula- tion. The same plan w^ould have to be adopted in the collection of the internal revenue. It is true that, accord- ing to the existing figures, Canada, under this agreement, would realize a less revenue than she does now. ^vA this because no duties whatever would be paid on American goods, that would then reach her consumers with- out paying duty, while, in consequence of this freedom from taxation, the consumption of American goods would enormously increase, thus lessening vastly the importations of English goods, now yield- ing a revenue. But whatever would be the revenue which Canada woidd realize under Commercial Union, it would certainly always equal per capita that of the United States, and if Canada cannot govern lierself economically, and as reasonably as the United States, there is something wrong in the administration of her affairs that ought to be righted. When one recalls the fact that under the existing plan of taxation the m» t t ti b (I ai U 1 d 32 The Feasibility of a CommercM Union. iintional dobt lins been rertnced and a siiqibts accu- iiuilatfMl at wbioh all tlu. world wondorH, siuoly the prenenl (Mmilii)riiua of taxation laaintniuod w(ndd yield to Oaiiadi. eaoimh to govern herself, if she had per eapiia the saiiir revenue ns the United States. If at first her r4.veuue,< were insuihiient, imchT ( omniercial Union, to pay her m terest or sustain her -over una-. it, a provision miftht br made that, say ix)r live or ten years, theav^ra^c^ snnv ht^n- tofore realized fron. imports and Internal rin^enue shonhl benraintaiuedout of the genera! fund; or what is mueli more independent and just, that she shonld levy u direct tax upon her own people, in the shape of a stamj* act, or some other mode to make np the deiicieney. li the l>(aninion government lednced or entirely ceased tc. pav her proviueial snl)si(lies, it wonld bridge the diflicnlt} Th'e Amerieans could well at^brd to thus divide the joint revenue according to popnlaticm with Canada, becaus- wliat the Canadians lost in the shape of import duty, tin American manufacturers wonld more than gain in the shape of profit from the greatly increased (puintity oi goods sent into that country free of duty. Commerciai Union is not a bargain in whicli profit is made on onesid< by loss on the other; it is a commercial partnership iH which both partners make a profit, and a profit the magtii- titde of which no man can tell." 1 ■ '-^^^^^^WtKBIBiHi s accu i present Oaiiaclii he Haim lu^veiuies y her in night be nnv h (Te- le shonld - is niueh I h'vy a a stamp ency. If 3eased t(t liiflicnlty. :| the joint becaus(^ duty, the in in the .antity ot nnmereial n one side lership in lie magni